October 30, 2024 • 31 mins
Lily Brown has revealed her pyjamas business Chille almost sent her bankrupt. The OG influencer was forced to borrow money from her dad and boyfriend, Jett Kenny, after taking bad business advice from a family member.
Lifestyle influencer, Olivia White has defended Matt Zukowski’s behaviour on a recent influencer trip. The 35-year-old influencer stepped in, after her vision from the event was used to build what she says is a false narrative.
Anna Paul is the latest influencer to reverse her cosmetic enhancements. The Only Fans star announced to her 7.2 million followers that she’s reverting back to her natural appearance.
And our highs and lows of the week.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Kate Torba and coming up on today's show, Olivia White
jumps to Mattzakowski's defense, Sophie Jane Miller shocks her followers,
and why Anna Paul got her lip filler dissolved. But first,
Lily Brown has revealed her pajama business chill almost sent
(00:25):
her bankrupt. The OG influencer was forced to borrow money
from her dad and boyfriend Jet Kenny after taking bad
business advice from a family member.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh this was so juicy.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So she was interviewed on an influencer podcast, and I
think she has been dropping clues along the way that
she has found business really challenging. She's opened up in
the past about how being an influencer was a lot
easier than starting a business, but I don't think we
knew how.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Dire it actually was.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So Lily shared that she went from being financially comfortable
to almost losing it all. Let's throw to what Lily
had to say.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I just feel like I've my mindset kind of switched
from being financially comfortable for a while, I would say,
and then obviously investing all of the money into chill
that I had made, and then going from feeling like
that was going super well to then I invested all
of the money in the business account into a specific
collection as per the advice that I was given, and
(01:24):
the collection rocked up in the complete wrong fabric and
the complete wrong colors, and it was a summer collection
that I ended up having to launch in winter. And
the whole thing cost me about one hundred and ten
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
That is a lot of money to lose one hundred
and ten thousand dollars. It is interesting to know how
much influencers are actually putting into these collections. Can you
imagine having the wrong pajamas arrived knowing that you were
about to go to launch. This is a nightmare for her,
particularly because she took advice from a family member, so
she didn't actually say who it was. I'm guessing it
was an uncle because she said that they are the
(01:58):
only family that they have in Ueensland, and she referred
to them as being a male and now her parents
aren't talking to them, so it's very messy. Doesn't everyone
say that you should never work with family. We clearly
haven't listened to that one.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
After that launch, Lily was forced to move out of
her home because she couldn't actually afford to pay her
rent any longer. She said that she ended up selling
a bunch of her stuff just to get cash to
pay for removal us and after she sold all her stuff,
her hair was falling out. She couldn't sleep, she broke
out in hives. It had a really big impact on
her well. She also said that she had to change
(02:32):
managers because her manager at the time wasn't earning her
enough money. And she spoke about how she had to
put this facade online because she said, you can't really
talk about your business struggles when you're the face of
a brand. Let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, it was just like this icky, sad, stressful situation.
But of course, like I'm still my own personal brand,
so on Instagram, you can't pretend that everything's fine, can you.
Everyone's still expecting you to show up every day like
hey guys, everything's all good and sweet and like there's
nothing wrong. But yeah, it was fucking dire, like really
(03:09):
really stressful.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
My hair was falling out.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I found that really interesting because a lot of people
talk about how it's really important for influencers to be transparent,
but when your business is so closely linked to your
personal brand, it would be so tricky. And it does
make a lot of sense because last year we spoke
about how Lily's brand Chill launched these pajamas and they
ended up smelling, and she was very defensive at the time,
(03:34):
and I have a bit more empathy for her now
because who knew that all of this was going on
in the background. It's a hard one, isn't it, Because
when you're trying to build confidence in a small brand,
you hardly want to say to your potential consumers, oh,
we've just lost one hundred and ten K, because you'd
be thinking, well, am I actually gonna get pajamas if
I go and buy them? So I can see why
Lily kept this a secret. But it's great she's talking
(03:56):
about it now because it makes her.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
A lot more likable.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think the fact that she's been able to turn
her business around as well. It's obviously doing a lot better,
which is probably why she's felt comfortable to share. Yeah,
she did say that her business was on the up
I also think it's a bit of a warning for
other influencers because a lot of people. I mean, it
was on Madison Woollie's podcast and she has also started
her own business, and I could see her nodding her
head in agreeance, because a lot of people just assume
(04:22):
when you've got a built in audience that you're going
to be very successful and your products are just going
to sell. But the fact that she only sold one
piece of clothing after a launch night is absolutely crazy. Yeah,
I couldn't believe that because most of the time influencers
like to put this rhetoric out there, we've sold out
on everything, and you just think that anytime an influencer
puts their name to a product, oh well, they're going
(04:44):
to do well, it's going to sell out. But we've
spoken about this before. Often influencers will only put out
a small sample of clothing and they'll test out the market,
and then they'll make this big song and dance that
they've sold out, when an actual fact, maybe they've only
sold one hundred products, and then they'll do a pre
order and actually find out how many people really want
the product. Another interesting thing Lily touched upon in that
(05:05):
interview was the fact that she's moved into Jet Kenny's
dad's house, So we did speak about that a couple
of months ago. She confirmed that she's not paying any
rent and basically all she has to do is cook
Jet and his dad food. That sounds like a pretty
good deal to me, especially in the current climate where
rent is just ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Well, she also said recently that Jet's friend and partner
moved in, and she's like, that's cool. We have one
wing of the house, and I mean, this is an
absolute mansion that they're living in. Do you think one
of the reasons why she didn't share about her financial
struggles initially was because being an OG influencer sometimes they
have to put across this facade that they're rich, and
(05:43):
that's one of the reasons why people like to follow them,
because their content is aspirational. Do you think she thought, fuck, no,
one's going to want to follow me if I'm some
broke influencer on the Gold Coast. It's ironic because a
lot of the OG influencers do seem broke. It seems
like they made a lot of money at the time
and now they're having to revert to normal jobs. I mean,
look at Michael Finch. He's back on the up because
(06:04):
he's got a lot of TikTok followers now to do
two million followers. Yeah, but he looks like he lives
a pretty normal life, Like he's not flashing the cash anymore,
he's not buying designer items, and he's probably doing better
than he was back then.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I found it really interesting that Lily said that she
spent all the money that she had earned on her
influencing career and put it into this business, and then
she put that figure of one hundred and ten k
out there, Because does that mean that that's all she
had saved up? Well, I think there's a lot of
influencers out there who you assumer earning these big bucks,
but actually I think they're more likely earning minimum wage. Yeah,
(06:39):
but I think she would have been earning big bucks.
I'm not saying that one hundred and ten thousand dollars
is not a lot of money, but I would have
thought the paychecks that were coming in she would have
saved a lot more. I think that maybe she was
spending a lot of money at the time. I think
about her in the twenty seventeens, at the height of
Lily Brown and Michael Finch and Chiny Grubin's fame, they
were all buying like Balenciaga clothing, yeah, bags, And I
(07:01):
don't think a lot of them thought about the future.
They probably just thought, Wow, this money is going to
continue throughout our careers. And it seems to have really
dried up for a lot of influencers. Yeah, and the
market is so saturated now that they're having to compete
with people that really take content creation to the next level.
They're creating ten TikTok videos a day. Well, I saw
some crazy figure. It was something like there are twelve
(07:24):
million influences in America right now. She so just shows
you how oversaturated.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
This market is. Well, they're keeping our podcast in business.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And goodness, this is what I look like naturally. Anna
Paul is the latest influencer to reverse her cosmetic enhancements
the only fans. Start announced to her seven point two
million followers that she's reverting back to her natural appearance.
This video has gone off on TikTok. It's already had
four point six million views. And in the video you
(07:51):
see Anna getting her lips dissolved and she also box
eyed her hair back to its natural brown. I was
surprised that she used a box style. I've seen her
do it before her TikTok, and all I could think
about was Sam Mangan, who actually is her business partner,
going on about Karen's box dyeing their hair. It did
look really nice, it was. It probably influenced a lot
of people to try the box dies out, but that
(08:12):
was not the point of the video. I want to
throw to a grab of Anna's reaction after she got
her lip filler dissolved.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
This is what I looked like when I was fourteen,
Like the smile. I can't believe I didn't do this earlier.
I feel so good.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I looked at myself in the mirror sometimes and I
thought something's off.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
It's because I altered my face, obviously.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I could not get over the transformation. She looks absolutely incredible.
She looks so much younger, for one thing, and really fresh.
I think you forget that Anna Paul's only twenty five,
because she's already had so much success in her career.
But now with the lip filler dissolved, she looks twenty five,
and I think that was a big motivator because in
this TikTok. She did a throwback to what she used
(08:51):
to look like at nineteen and twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I could not believe it. Her lips were so large.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It was very that duck pout, so her lips had
I've been getting smaller over time, But don't you think.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
We're seeing more of that now?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Like obviously a few years ago, Molly May started the
trend by dissolving her lips. I feel like a lot
of influencers are thinking, now it's almost embarrassing to have
those really big duck lips, because it seems like a
trend that was very twenty seventeen and now very much
people want to be natural. And if you think about it,
a lot of those influences have hit mid twenties, and
(09:24):
when you're younger, it's all about looking older, but when
you start to approach your thirties, it's all about reversing
time and looking younger. So can I just point out
twenty five is so young?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It is?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It definitely is, But a lot of these influencers are
looking a lot older because of the cosmetic enhancements that
they've had, and I think they suddenly realize that now.
I don't think it is a coincidence that a lot
of influencers get cosmetic procedures in the first place because
they're always looking at themselves. It's kind of like when
you're go on holiday and you're not used to seeing
lots of photos of yourself, and you're like, is that
(09:56):
what I look like?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yea, were not.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Only I mean they're filming themselves, They're having to edit themselves.
It would be absolutely hideous to stare at a photo
of yourself. Even for example, when I worked as a journalist,
having to hear your voice back every day, you suddenly
start to pick these faults, you like, do I actually
sound like? And now that podcast filming is a thing,
like we are always picking ourselves apart on there. So
(10:19):
I totally get it in saying that. I was so
surprised the other day when I flipped on YouTube and
my favorite YouTuber Sophie Jane Miller revealed that she got
rhino pasty. So this surgery has completely come out of nowhere.
She went mia on social media for a couple of weeks,
which isn't unusual sometimes she's not so regular in posting videos,
and then she returned with this vlog entitled I Got
(10:41):
a nose job. Yeah, I was shocked as well, because,
if I'm being honest, it was because I'd never noticed
any kind of issue with Sophie's nose. She's a very
conventionally good looking girl. Yeah, and Sophie later revealed in
this vlog that she had gone to these great lengths
not to show herself from certain angles because she didn't
like the way her nose looked. It makes me want
(11:02):
to look back at the videos because I actually was
scrolling through her Instagram the other night being like, I
am so shocked. And again, it is absolutely her decision
whether she wants to have plastic surgery. She is entitled
to make that decision.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I wholeheartedly agree.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
With that it's her body, her choice, But I can't
deny that I felt sad because the fact that she
thought that she needed to change something on her face.
And I was thinking about the people that follow her
and probably were also shocked by this announcement. And I
think we can all agree that, yes, it's her decision,
but also feel sad about it because this is a
(11:39):
major surgery for someone to have. Yeah, And I think
it ties into what you were saying before about how
much of that came down to watching herself back and
picking herself apart because her job is being a content creator,
or how much of it came from people picking her
apart in comments about something that wasn't an issue. I mean,
her nose looks incredible now after the surgery.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It looked incredible before.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And she has got a lot of praise for actually
sharing her surgery online. A lot of people have said, Oh,
I'm glad that you were transparent about it. I mean,
I think it would have been pretty obvious if she
had come back from a two week break and suddenly
her nose was looking slightly different.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, she was very open in the comment section. So
she did reply to someone saying that they weren't sure
about how they felt about her sharing the experience, and
she said that it was a catch twenty two for her.
She wrote, half of me didn't want to promote it
at all, but the other half wanted to be completely honest,
and I never wanted to lie slash not say that
I had it done. I tend to agree with her,
and I don't know how I feel about all of
(12:39):
this because recently Indy Clinton got slammed because she went
offline for a couple of weeks she said she was
taking a break and she came back with a breast augmentation,
and she was forced to come out and say, yes,
I did get a boob job, but I didn't really
want to promote it. And it was an interesting decision
for her because that would have been great content for
her TikTok that would have gone off.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It would have got lots of views.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Well, I Respectdy for not sharing it, but I also
respect Sophie for sharing her journey because people might say, oh,
but she's promoting it. I watched the volog and I thought, fuck,
I couldn't think of anything worse than getting a nose job,
because she went through the realities of the recovery process,
and she even spoke about when she got the bandages off,
and she said, at first I thought, oh my god,
(13:21):
what have I done. I don't like my nose. And
I think that would make a lot of people who
were considering getting the surgery think twice and think, well,
do I really want to go.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Through all of that?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I suppose it depends how an influencer actually documents their journey.
I think you can tell when an influencer has got
the procedure for free, and everything's glossed over. I do
think that there is a difference between being transparent and
actually promoting the surgery. So I do like it when
influencers come out and say, oh, yes, I've had X, Y,
and Z done, But I still am on the fence
(13:51):
about actually documenting the process because I do think even
if you do share the bad side of it, it
does come across as promotional. But INSIGHT's instant because it
was quite a shock to people because she'd never spoken
about her nose being insecurity. I feel like she almost
had to put that content out there kind of as
an explanation. Like if she had just popped up on
(14:12):
her channel saying, oh, and I've got a nose job,
but I don't want to speak about it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Everyone be like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Like, Yeah, it does depend on the relationship you have
with your audience, I suppose. I mean that sort of
content is just so prevalent now on TikTok, particularly in
the space of breast implants, like there are so many
influences documenting their procedures, and again you have the other
side of it, where there's so many people getting explant
surgeries and documenting that. So, I honestly don't know how
(14:38):
I feel about it. I think it depends on each
individual case and how the influencer.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Deals with it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But do you think it's a bit different as well,
Because with a breast augmentation, if you're not sharing, say,
bikini photos of yourself, not everyone's gonna instantly notice that
you've had it done. But if you go off and
have a nose job or something that's a very prominent
feature on your face, people are gonna be asking questions
about it. Yeah, you're not as easy to cover up. No,
you can't really hide it, can you. I mean, back
(15:05):
in the day celebrities would be like, oh, yes, I
always had an injury to my nose that I just
needed to keep fixed.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
His worth crime is just that he's a bit boring,
which is not illegal.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Lifestyle influencer Olivia White has defended Matt Szakowski's behavior on
a recent influencer trip. The thirty five year old influencer
stepped in after her vision from the event was used
to build what she says was a false narrative. Now, Amy,
before we dive into it, can you bring us up
to speed. Yeah, so we spoke about this. On Tuesday,
some photos emerged of Matt Zakowski out and about on
(15:42):
an influencer trip, and he was seeing canoodling with a
brunette woman and.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Also a blonde woman.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I love the word canoodling. Yeah, a lot of people
put two and two together and came up with five.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Really.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I mean, I thought it was blown majorly out of proportion.
But I suppose he's just been so shady in the
past that everyone came to a conclusion that he must
be cheating.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So basically these images popped up on Reddit and then
the Daily Mail ran with the headline it or something
like Matt Skakowski seen chatting up brunette woman in pub.
But these women were part of an influencer trip that
Matt was on. I do want to point out we
have only identified two of the women. So I had
a bit of an argument off air with Sophie because
I said, you guys, name two of the influencers that
(16:24):
were on the trip, but the main one in question
from having a stalk, I believe she was a friend
of Amy Petriviv. I don't think she was actually a
part of the trip. I think she must have met
up with him at the bar. But let's be honest,
the facial expression that she was pulling did not say
that she was interested in that. She looked like she
was rolling her eyes. She also had her arms crossed
against her chest. So this influencer trip was for a
(16:47):
private jet company called flight Club I did love. On
Matt's post, the number one comment was did Tammy pay
for this? Because he didn't actually disclose the partnership properly
well to make that as worse. While all of this
was unfolding, tam was in Greece for her retreat that
she's running. Oh I kept seeing photos pop up of
her in bikinis and she got absolutely roasted in the
(17:08):
comments because one of the photos showed off her new
breast implants and people were like, I can see nipple
and they're being just so awful.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yes, people are very harsh.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Now, on Tuesday, we discussed some very bizarre looking footage
that ended up on an influencer Snark page. And so
now we're quite confused by the vision because it looked
like CCTV vision. But it turns out that this vision
was actually filmed by influencer Olivia White. So Olivia has
weighed into this drama. She told her followers that she
(17:39):
was invited on this trip and she actually set up
a time lapse to capture the social darts element of
this event. And the reason the vision looked weird is
because the time lapse was drastically zoomed in. Let's have
a listen to what Olivia said.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
All the ones being like a spy has like intentionally
set up a camera.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
No, that was me.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
That was that was my video of me just filming
us playing darts, you know, sharing the thing that we
were doing.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
That is like work.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Now, Olivia said she felt compelled to set the record
straight on what actually went down, as her vision was
being used to build I quote, a false story.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Now before we.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Throw to more of what Olivia had to say for context,
Olivia posts a lot of content about Disney and Taylor Swift, Yes,
particularly leading into the Eerie Store.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So she does refer to Matt as Mike who was
the green one eyed monster from Disney. Let's have listened
to what she said.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
But there was a.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Guy that came on the trip. I didn't know him,
never met him.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
His names like Mike Wazowski and there's like.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Now freaking all these articles and pages like Daily Mail,
like apparently like some.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Big escandalo and I'm just like, where do people get
this stuff? Because I was there.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I was there. In fact, half of this was taken
from my content, my stories, and the stuff that these
people are saying is wild.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
And people were like, oh my god, he was like
talking to girls. There was like ten of us.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
And like literally he might have said one thing to
like one person, but he was literally just hanging out
with the boys.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And I was like, it's a bit doochey.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It sounds like Matt was on strict instructions do not
talk to any girls on this trip. He is aware
that all eyes are on him in the lead up
to this wedding. Yeah, I can imagine Tammy and her
sisters laying down the law for him. It's pretty funny
that Olivia labeled him douchey and said that he was
very cold to all the women there. I mean, I
(19:48):
can see now why he had to be, because literally
a photo of him sort of standing next to a
girl looking very unimpressed by his presence has caused a
lot of headaches for him right now. What I don't
get is why did the Daily Mail pick up on
this and run with it? But literally days earlier, Megan
Bissetto had done a full podcast outlining all of these
(20:10):
shady things that he allegedly did, and we don't have
one article written about it. I get the vibe that
the Daily Mail don't want to attribute stuff to so
dramatic because they are a rival of theirs, But still,
I mean, it's such Her podcast was so juicy and
the details in that were much more revealing than him
just standing next to a woman at an influencer event.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I mean, apparently the.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Whole thing was wrapped up by seven pm and they
got home to Melbourne a couple of hours later. The
Daily Mail was proposing it as his boozy night out.
It sounded all very bizarre, like they were playing darts
with one another. I mean, why did he even agree
to go on this trip, Like was he paid or
was it just for the experience of flying on a
private jet? The fact he didn't tag them or put
paid partnership. I think it was just a bit of
(20:53):
a free bet. Maybe Tammy was away and he thought
it might be fun to go. It's quite funny because
while Olivia has gone into bat for mate, and she's
tried to set the record straight about his behavior. She
hasn't particularly painted him in the best light, like as
you said, she called him a douchebag, a lot of
backhanded compliments. I was like, yeah, he wasn't flirting with
those girls because he was he thought he was better
than everyone that didn't talk to any of us. I
(21:15):
think we should throw more to what she said, because
it was very entertaining.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
My first impression of him was kind of that he
was about as interesting as a spachelor, like, but that
was like his worst crime on this trip. And I
don't know about anything else because this seems to be
like a whole thing, you know, so I don't know
any kind of backstory or whatever. I'm just talking about
this instance specifically, And like I did notice, I was
(21:40):
looking at his posts about this and he had tagged
flight Center instead of flight Club, which was actually who
we were there with. And I was like, I think
he's a bit daff but you know, not illegal to
be a bit, you know, not sharpest tool in the
shed vibes.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Olivia finished up by saying that she hopes wasn't offended
by her analysis, but knows he probably won't look at
her account anyway. Well, she even went as far to
say that he was boring, which she said isn't illegal,
but probably not a great person to be having on
an influencer trip where you're trying to get to know
people and you're playing.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Darts and socializing.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Maybe not so fun to hang around, but the company
must be absolutely thrilled that the promotion that this has
given them. Let's get into our highs and lows of
the week, Amy, I'll kick us off. My high of
the week is I have recently joined a Facebook group
called Mum's Christmas Facebook. It is exceptional. It has one
hundred and fifty thousand members, and it is getting me
(22:38):
so excited for Christmas. Of course, tomorrow is November one,
which I think is the appropriate time to start getting festive.
I think everyone's getting into it earlier and earlier each year,
because I have seen a lot of chat on Instagram
and TikTok saying look November first, that is officially when
we can start celebrating Christmas. Well, some of these women
in this Facebook group, they've gone too far, so I sorry,
(22:59):
I disagree. No, okay, get this. They have already put
their Christmas trees up fully decorated. Yeah, but yours isn't decorated.
They've also bought every single one of their Christmas presents
for their family members and wrapped them what.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it actually
got alive.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, it actually made me feel stressed. But part of
the fun I think of Christmas shopping is when you
go to the shops and there's decorations and there's carols playing.
Like so many of the shops, they don't actually put
their official Christmas decorations up until Santa is in the store.
So while they might be selling Christmas decorations, they're not
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playing carols. They don't have their own in store decorations
set up.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's not a vibe.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well, I suppose this is a mum's Facebook group and
maybe they don't have the time to be out and
about shopping with everyone else.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
So how do they have.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
The time pre Christmas to do it? Well, a lot
of them are said that they buy things throughout the year,
but I don't know how that works with kids, because
normally you take them to see stand and then they'll
tell Santa what they want Anyway, I'm not shitting on
this scrip because I very much enjoy it. There looks
like there's some amazing women in there that are giving
some brilliant advice. And I came across this thing that
I want to do for Jack so and I feel
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a bit of pressure because when you guys have kids,
you're gonna have to do the same thing as me.
So I feel pressure if I'm going to start a
new tradition. But it's called a December First Box. So
originally I thought I wanted to do a Christmas Eve box,
but these December First boxes make more sense to me
because you give them to your child at the start
of December, and they have things like Christmas pajamas and
Christmas activities and Christmas books that you can actually enjoy
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throughout the whole month, rather than getting them all on
Christmas Eve. The only person I've ever seen do this
is Anastasia King's North's mum.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
The Christmas Eve Box. Yeah, and I always I agree.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I think, well, why the fuck do they want these pajamas?
They can for one night. I told Dale your idea
of doing this, and he's like, oh my god, are
you serious?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Like that is just so over the top.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But I was like, oh no, she's probably gonna have
bought that stuff for Jack anyway. But it's cute thing
of them getting excited for the holiday season. Yeah, I
already had all of the stuff, and I'm like, oh,
I just need to make a box. So I want
to do a bit of a DIY. I might put
it on my TikTok.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Should I be so cute?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Sorry, if you filmed every year Jack opening the box,
because imagine having that for X amount of years and
even getting to see like because you've got to remember
those pajamas for him when he grows up. That will
be like vintage Christmas pajamas.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And also I want to point out you don't have
to always put new things in this box.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
It can be recycled things.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So it might be that you have a special Christmas
book that you put in the box every year, the
same one, and you just refresh it with a few
new things. There's so many good things at the op
shops right now is a good time to go and
check out the Christmas decorations. That is a good recommendation.
Now I get to my love of the week. It
is Christmas related as well, I have been hanging out
to take Jack to the Christmas pageant. He will be
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five months next week, and Reese was telling me, Oh,
he's too young to go. He won't enjoy it. Guess
who's going to enjoy it?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Me?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I wanted to go. I wanted to get into the
Christmas I wanted you to go. I wanted his grandparents
to go. I thought it would be a great kickstart
to the Christmas season. Unfortunately, it's thirty three degrees that day.
Normally I would love it, but I can't take him
out in thirty three degree weather. So We're gonna have
to watch it on the TV. And I'm so disappointed.
Wait are we coming over to watch it with you?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
We can? I mean, because I think we should do.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Like a big like brunch or something and make it
a bit of a Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I'm all for that.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I'm all for starting new Christmas tradition. So if anyone
out there has any Christmas traditions that they think are
great for kids, because I'm on the fence about doing
Elf on the shelf. I don't think I have to
do it this year, but I was thinking of putting
the Elf on the shelf in Jack's December first box.
Oh maybe Elf on the Shelf could do something each
week or something not every day. Yeah, he's gone to
stay for a week.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Look.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
So my high of the week, it's a pretty exciting one.
It's that I am going to be extending my family
to an extra kitten.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I was like, what, Yes, So a lot of the
listeners might already know that. I have two beautiful rag
dolls called Gigi and Bentley, and Dale's mum. She's got
a property up in the hills, and a cat has
given birth to these four kittens, and they're looking for
good homes for them. This cat is the spitting image
of our family, our previous family cat Lulu, and also theatre.
(27:16):
And I saw this cat and I had just this
connection with it. I was like, oh my god, I
love it. I didn't think anything of it because I
think Dale's already has enough fluff from the two cats
to deal with. He's not a huge animal person. So
I nearly died the next day when he said to me,
I've been thinking about you and that cat.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And I think you should get it.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, what's the difference between two and three cats? I mean,
it'd be different if it was a dog. Yeah, So
I am looking for name suggestions. We believe it's a
little girl, so I was thinking of Winnie, but I
suggested Winnie because gg was named after Gigi had did.
We also had Lulu, which is old, an old model,
so I'm thinking Winnie.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Harlowe. Yeah, well, Harlow very popular in the moment thanks
to Sarah's day.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, Winnie works because if a ends out that this
kitten is a boy, it can be a boys name.
It can be Winston. So anyway, Winnifred. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Now my low of the week is that Anna Kendrick's
new movie has come out on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's been number one in Australia.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Please don't talk about it because I hate scary movies
and you started telling me about it and it's just
freaked me out. No, it's good. I mean, it's worth watching.
I was watching it by myself, so I wouldn't recommend that.
But anyway, because she has been everywhere at the moment,
we've spoken about it before, a lot of people think
that Iron particular look like Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I did get it when I was in Utah as well.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, and so now everyone keeps coming out of the woodwhere
they're like, oh my god, you look like Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You look at Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's just
been quite.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Quite overwhelming the amount of people saying it.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Well, it depressed me because there was a troll comment
director to Anna Kendrick saying, oh, can this middle aged
woman stop winging? And I was like middle aged woman?
And then I'm like, she's thirty nine, And then I
had this spiral because I'm like, wow, forty actually is
probably considered middle aged. How fucking good does she look
for thirty nine. You'd never think that she was thirty nine.
It looks like she's mid twenties. I actually really enjoyed
(29:07):
her interview on Call Her Daddy.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I need to listen to this.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Oh my god, I just want to be friends with her.
After listening to her talking on there, one of the
funny things that she'd actually discussed was one of her
biggest fears, which is people seeing her natural hair. So
she presents herself with straight hair, but what is it
naturally she presents straight so well, Basically Alex Cooper said
to her, what is the most high maintenance thing about you,
(29:31):
and she said, it's actually my.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Hair because I have I'm like a secret Curly.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Why I'm like a secret like like like Kerrie Russell
and Felicity level Curly, you have gorgeous hair.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, you know what my hair looks like? With her wealth,
why does she not get it chemically straightened?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I'm not sure, but she said that he has become
such a big deal that she has never shown her
friends up until recently what her natural hair looks like.
So she's said that she had to do kind of
this big reveal chat to warn her friends, like, I'm
coming down, this is what my hair looks like just
after drive blow dried it.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
It's not nice.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And she said that she even did a reveal to
her therapist because it was such a huge concern of hers.
So it made me like her even more because you
think these movie stars, what issues do they have?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Hm?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, I mean it's not a huge one, but.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
It also made me think I really want to see
what her hair looks like. I know, I can only imagine.
I mean I kind of relate.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I don't like my hair naturally dried, but I now
wear it wet and a pulled back in a ponytail
all the time. Well, on that note, I probably could
talk about hair for another two hours, but we will
leave you to the rest of your Oh my, no,
we'll leave you to the rest of your Thursday. Thank
you again for listening. This episode was recorded on the
traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaid Planes.
We pay respect to Elder's past and present and if
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you do enjoy the show, tomorrow we are dropping a
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and don't forget to follow Outspoken on TikTok and also
on Instagram. And while you're away, Kate so Thin and
I kept plugging our own TikTok quite insufferable.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, I actually am.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Putting up a recent TikTok of our Halloween party and
how I managed to get all this shit organized in
about two hours, So if you want to check that out,
and if I get my act together, I might put
a TikTok off about my first of December podcast. Yes, definitely. Well,
thank you guys so much for listening.
Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Kate Torba and coming up on today's show, Olivia White
jumps to Mattzakowski's defense, Sophie Jane Miller shocks her followers,
and why Anna Paul got her lip filler dissolved. But first,
Lily Brown has revealed her pajama business chill almost sent
(00:25):
her bankrupt. The OG influencer was forced to borrow money
from her dad and boyfriend Jet Kenny after taking bad
business advice from a family member.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh this was so juicy.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
So she was interviewed on an influencer podcast, and I
think she has been dropping clues along the way that
she has found business really challenging. She's opened up in
the past about how being an influencer was a lot
easier than starting a business, but I don't think we
knew how.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Dire it actually was.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So Lily shared that she went from being financially comfortable
to almost losing it all. Let's throw to what Lily
had to say.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I just feel like I've my mindset kind of switched
from being financially comfortable for a while, I would say,
and then obviously investing all of the money into chill
that I had made, and then going from feeling like
that was going super well to then I invested all
of the money in the business account into a specific
collection as per the advice that I was given, and
(01:24):
the collection rocked up in the complete wrong fabric and
the complete wrong colors, and it was a summer collection
that I ended up having to launch in winter. And
the whole thing cost me about one hundred and ten
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
That is a lot of money to lose one hundred
and ten thousand dollars. It is interesting to know how
much influencers are actually putting into these collections. Can you
imagine having the wrong pajamas arrived knowing that you were
about to go to launch. This is a nightmare for her,
particularly because she took advice from a family member, so
she didn't actually say who it was. I'm guessing it
was an uncle because she said that they are the
(01:58):
only family that they have in Ueensland, and she referred
to them as being a male and now her parents
aren't talking to them, so it's very messy. Doesn't everyone
say that you should never work with family. We clearly
haven't listened to that one.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
After that launch, Lily was forced to move out of
her home because she couldn't actually afford to pay her
rent any longer. She said that she ended up selling
a bunch of her stuff just to get cash to
pay for removal us and after she sold all her stuff,
her hair was falling out. She couldn't sleep, she broke
out in hives. It had a really big impact on
her well. She also said that she had to change
(02:32):
managers because her manager at the time wasn't earning her
enough money. And she spoke about how she had to
put this facade online because she said, you can't really
talk about your business struggles when you're the face of
a brand. Let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, it was just like this icky, sad, stressful situation.
But of course, like I'm still my own personal brand,
so on Instagram, you can't pretend that everything's fine, can you.
Everyone's still expecting you to show up every day like
hey guys, everything's all good and sweet and like there's
nothing wrong. But yeah, it was fucking dire, like really
(03:09):
really stressful.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
My hair was falling out.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I found that really interesting because a lot of people
talk about how it's really important for influencers to be transparent,
but when your business is so closely linked to your
personal brand, it would be so tricky. And it does
make a lot of sense because last year we spoke
about how Lily's brand Chill launched these pajamas and they
ended up smelling, and she was very defensive at the time,
(03:34):
and I have a bit more empathy for her now
because who knew that all of this was going on
in the background. It's a hard one, isn't it, Because
when you're trying to build confidence in a small brand,
you hardly want to say to your potential consumers, oh,
we've just lost one hundred and ten K, because you'd
be thinking, well, am I actually gonna get pajamas if
I go and buy them? So I can see why
Lily kept this a secret. But it's great she's talking
(03:56):
about it now because it makes her.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
A lot more likable.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think the fact that she's been able to turn
her business around as well. It's obviously doing a lot better,
which is probably why she's felt comfortable to share. Yeah,
she did say that her business was on the up
I also think it's a bit of a warning for
other influencers because a lot of people. I mean, it
was on Madison Woollie's podcast and she has also started
her own business, and I could see her nodding her
head in agreeance, because a lot of people just assume
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when you've got a built in audience that you're going
to be very successful and your products are just going
to sell. But the fact that she only sold one
piece of clothing after a launch night is absolutely crazy. Yeah,
I couldn't believe that because most of the time influencers
like to put this rhetoric out there, we've sold out
on everything, and you just think that anytime an influencer
puts their name to a product, oh well, they're going
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to do well, it's going to sell out. But we've
spoken about this before. Often influencers will only put out
a small sample of clothing and they'll test out the market,
and then they'll make this big song and dance that
they've sold out, when an actual fact, maybe they've only
sold one hundred products, and then they'll do a pre
order and actually find out how many people really want
the product. Another interesting thing Lily touched upon in that
(05:05):
interview was the fact that she's moved into Jet Kenny's
dad's house, So we did speak about that a couple
of months ago. She confirmed that she's not paying any
rent and basically all she has to do is cook
Jet and his dad food. That sounds like a pretty
good deal to me, especially in the current climate where
rent is just ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Well, she also said recently that Jet's friend and partner
moved in, and she's like, that's cool. We have one
wing of the house, and I mean, this is an
absolute mansion that they're living in. Do you think one
of the reasons why she didn't share about her financial
struggles initially was because being an OG influencer sometimes they
have to put across this facade that they're rich, and
(05:43):
that's one of the reasons why people like to follow them,
because their content is aspirational. Do you think she thought, fuck, no,
one's going to want to follow me if I'm some
broke influencer on the Gold Coast. It's ironic because a
lot of the OG influencers do seem broke. It seems
like they made a lot of money at the time
and now they're having to revert to normal jobs. I mean,
look at Michael Finch. He's back on the up because
(06:04):
he's got a lot of TikTok followers now to do
two million followers. Yeah, but he looks like he lives
a pretty normal life, Like he's not flashing the cash anymore,
he's not buying designer items, and he's probably doing better
than he was back then.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I found it really interesting that Lily said that she
spent all the money that she had earned on her
influencing career and put it into this business, and then
she put that figure of one hundred and ten k
out there, Because does that mean that that's all she
had saved up? Well, I think there's a lot of
influencers out there who you assumer earning these big bucks,
but actually I think they're more likely earning minimum wage. Yeah,
(06:39):
but I think she would have been earning big bucks.
I'm not saying that one hundred and ten thousand dollars
is not a lot of money, but I would have
thought the paychecks that were coming in she would have
saved a lot more. I think that maybe she was
spending a lot of money at the time. I think
about her in the twenty seventeens, at the height of
Lily Brown and Michael Finch and Chiny Grubin's fame, they
were all buying like Balenciaga clothing, yeah, bags, And I
(07:01):
don't think a lot of them thought about the future.
They probably just thought, Wow, this money is going to
continue throughout our careers. And it seems to have really
dried up for a lot of influencers. Yeah, and the
market is so saturated now that they're having to compete
with people that really take content creation to the next level.
They're creating ten TikTok videos a day. Well, I saw
some crazy figure. It was something like there are twelve
(07:24):
million influences in America right now. She so just shows
you how oversaturated.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
This market is. Well, they're keeping our podcast in business.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And goodness, this is what I look like naturally. Anna
Paul is the latest influencer to reverse her cosmetic enhancements
the only fans. Start announced to her seven point two
million followers that she's reverting back to her natural appearance.
This video has gone off on TikTok. It's already had
four point six million views. And in the video you
(07:51):
see Anna getting her lips dissolved and she also box
eyed her hair back to its natural brown. I was
surprised that she used a box style. I've seen her
do it before her TikTok, and all I could think
about was Sam Mangan, who actually is her business partner,
going on about Karen's box dyeing their hair. It did
look really nice, it was. It probably influenced a lot
of people to try the box dies out, but that
(08:12):
was not the point of the video. I want to
throw to a grab of Anna's reaction after she got
her lip filler dissolved.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
This is what I looked like when I was fourteen,
Like the smile. I can't believe I didn't do this earlier.
I feel so good.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I looked at myself in the mirror sometimes and I
thought something's off.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
It's because I altered my face, obviously.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I could not get over the transformation. She looks absolutely incredible.
She looks so much younger, for one thing, and really fresh.
I think you forget that Anna Paul's only twenty five,
because she's already had so much success in her career.
But now with the lip filler dissolved, she looks twenty five,
and I think that was a big motivator because in
this TikTok. She did a throwback to what she used
(08:51):
to look like at nineteen and twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I could not believe it. Her lips were so large.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It was very that duck pout, so her lips had
I've been getting smaller over time, But don't you think.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
We're seeing more of that now?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Like obviously a few years ago, Molly May started the
trend by dissolving her lips. I feel like a lot
of influencers are thinking, now it's almost embarrassing to have
those really big duck lips, because it seems like a
trend that was very twenty seventeen and now very much
people want to be natural. And if you think about it,
a lot of those influences have hit mid twenties, and
(09:24):
when you're younger, it's all about looking older, but when
you start to approach your thirties, it's all about reversing
time and looking younger. So can I just point out
twenty five is so young?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
It is?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
It definitely is, But a lot of these influencers are
looking a lot older because of the cosmetic enhancements that
they've had, and I think they suddenly realize that now.
I don't think it is a coincidence that a lot
of influencers get cosmetic procedures in the first place because
they're always looking at themselves. It's kind of like when
you're go on holiday and you're not used to seeing
lots of photos of yourself, and you're like, is that
(09:56):
what I look like?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yea, were not.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Only I mean they're filming themselves, They're having to edit themselves.
It would be absolutely hideous to stare at a photo
of yourself. Even for example, when I worked as a journalist,
having to hear your voice back every day, you suddenly
start to pick these faults, you like, do I actually
sound like? And now that podcast filming is a thing,
like we are always picking ourselves apart on there. So
(10:19):
I totally get it in saying that. I was so
surprised the other day when I flipped on YouTube and
my favorite YouTuber Sophie Jane Miller revealed that she got
rhino pasty. So this surgery has completely come out of nowhere.
She went mia on social media for a couple of weeks,
which isn't unusual sometimes she's not so regular in posting videos,
and then she returned with this vlog entitled I Got
(10:41):
a nose job. Yeah, I was shocked as well, because,
if I'm being honest, it was because I'd never noticed
any kind of issue with Sophie's nose. She's a very
conventionally good looking girl. Yeah, and Sophie later revealed in
this vlog that she had gone to these great lengths
not to show herself from certain angles because she didn't
like the way her nose looked. It makes me want
(11:02):
to look back at the videos because I actually was
scrolling through her Instagram the other night being like, I
am so shocked. And again, it is absolutely her decision
whether she wants to have plastic surgery. She is entitled
to make that decision.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I wholeheartedly agree.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
With that it's her body, her choice, But I can't
deny that I felt sad because the fact that she
thought that she needed to change something on her face.
And I was thinking about the people that follow her
and probably were also shocked by this announcement. And I
think we can all agree that, yes, it's her decision,
but also feel sad about it because this is a
(11:39):
major surgery for someone to have. Yeah, And I think
it ties into what you were saying before about how
much of that came down to watching herself back and
picking herself apart because her job is being a content creator,
or how much of it came from people picking her
apart in comments about something that wasn't an issue. I mean,
her nose looks incredible now after the surgery.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
It looked incredible before.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And she has got a lot of praise for actually
sharing her surgery online. A lot of people have said, Oh,
I'm glad that you were transparent about it. I mean,
I think it would have been pretty obvious if she
had come back from a two week break and suddenly
her nose was looking slightly different.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, she was very open in the comment section. So
she did reply to someone saying that they weren't sure
about how they felt about her sharing the experience, and
she said that it was a catch twenty two for her.
She wrote, half of me didn't want to promote it
at all, but the other half wanted to be completely honest,
and I never wanted to lie slash not say that
I had it done. I tend to agree with her,
and I don't know how I feel about all of
(12:39):
this because recently Indy Clinton got slammed because she went
offline for a couple of weeks she said she was
taking a break and she came back with a breast augmentation,
and she was forced to come out and say, yes,
I did get a boob job, but I didn't really
want to promote it. And it was an interesting decision
for her because that would have been great content for
her TikTok that would have gone off.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It would have got lots of views.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Well, I Respectdy for not sharing it, but I also
respect Sophie for sharing her journey because people might say, oh,
but she's promoting it. I watched the volog and I thought, fuck,
I couldn't think of anything worse than getting a nose job,
because she went through the realities of the recovery process,
and she even spoke about when she got the bandages off,
and she said, at first I thought, oh my god,
(13:21):
what have I done. I don't like my nose. And
I think that would make a lot of people who
were considering getting the surgery think twice and think, well,
do I really want to go.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Through all of that?
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I suppose it depends how an influencer actually documents their journey.
I think you can tell when an influencer has got
the procedure for free, and everything's glossed over. I do
think that there is a difference between being transparent and
actually promoting the surgery. So I do like it when
influencers come out and say, oh, yes, I've had X, Y,
and Z done, But I still am on the fence
(13:51):
about actually documenting the process because I do think even
if you do share the bad side of it, it
does come across as promotional. But INSIGHT's instant because it
was quite a shock to people because she'd never spoken
about her nose being insecurity. I feel like she almost
had to put that content out there kind of as
an explanation. Like if she had just popped up on
(14:12):
her channel saying, oh, and I've got a nose job,
but I don't want to speak about it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Everyone be like what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Like, Yeah, it does depend on the relationship you have
with your audience, I suppose. I mean that sort of
content is just so prevalent now on TikTok, particularly in
the space of breast implants, like there are so many
influences documenting their procedures, and again you have the other
side of it, where there's so many people getting explant
surgeries and documenting that. So, I honestly don't know how
(14:38):
I feel about it. I think it depends on each
individual case and how the influencer.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Deals with it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
But do you think it's a bit different as well,
Because with a breast augmentation, if you're not sharing, say,
bikini photos of yourself, not everyone's gonna instantly notice that
you've had it done. But if you go off and
have a nose job or something that's a very prominent
feature on your face, people are gonna be asking questions
about it. Yeah, you're not as easy to cover up. No,
you can't really hide it, can you. I mean, back
(15:05):
in the day celebrities would be like, oh, yes, I
always had an injury to my nose that I just
needed to keep fixed.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
His worth crime is just that he's a bit boring,
which is not illegal.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Lifestyle influencer Olivia White has defended Matt Szakowski's behavior on
a recent influencer trip. The thirty five year old influencer
stepped in after her vision from the event was used
to build what she says was a false narrative. Now, Amy,
before we dive into it, can you bring us up
to speed. Yeah, so we spoke about this. On Tuesday,
some photos emerged of Matt Zakowski out and about on
(15:42):
an influencer trip, and he was seeing canoodling with a
brunette woman and.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Also a blonde woman.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I love the word canoodling. Yeah, a lot of people
put two and two together and came up with five.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Really.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I mean, I thought it was blown majorly out of proportion.
But I suppose he's just been so shady in the
past that everyone came to a conclusion that he must
be cheating.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So basically these images popped up on Reddit and then
the Daily Mail ran with the headline it or something
like Matt Skakowski seen chatting up brunette woman in pub.
But these women were part of an influencer trip that
Matt was on. I do want to point out we
have only identified two of the women. So I had
a bit of an argument off air with Sophie because
I said, you guys, name two of the influencers that
(16:24):
were on the trip, but the main one in question
from having a stalk, I believe she was a friend
of Amy Petriviv. I don't think she was actually a
part of the trip. I think she must have met
up with him at the bar. But let's be honest,
the facial expression that she was pulling did not say
that she was interested in that. She looked like she
was rolling her eyes. She also had her arms crossed
against her chest. So this influencer trip was for a
(16:47):
private jet company called flight Club I did love. On
Matt's post, the number one comment was did Tammy pay
for this? Because he didn't actually disclose the partnership properly
well to make that as worse. While all of this
was unfolding, tam was in Greece for her retreat that
she's running. Oh I kept seeing photos pop up of
her in bikinis and she got absolutely roasted in the
(17:08):
comments because one of the photos showed off her new
breast implants and people were like, I can see nipple
and they're being just so awful.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yes, people are very harsh.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Now, on Tuesday, we discussed some very bizarre looking footage
that ended up on an influencer Snark page. And so
now we're quite confused by the vision because it looked
like CCTV vision. But it turns out that this vision
was actually filmed by influencer Olivia White. So Olivia has
weighed into this drama. She told her followers that she
(17:39):
was invited on this trip and she actually set up
a time lapse to capture the social darts element of
this event. And the reason the vision looked weird is
because the time lapse was drastically zoomed in. Let's have
a listen to what Olivia said.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
All the ones being like a spy has like intentionally
set up a camera.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
No, that was me.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
That was that was my video of me just filming
us playing darts, you know, sharing the thing that we
were doing.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
That is like work.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Now, Olivia said she felt compelled to set the record
straight on what actually went down, as her vision was
being used to build I quote, a false story.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Now before we.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Throw to more of what Olivia had to say for context,
Olivia posts a lot of content about Disney and Taylor Swift, Yes,
particularly leading into the Eerie Store.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I enjoyed that.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
So she does refer to Matt as Mike who was
the green one eyed monster from Disney. Let's have listened
to what she said.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
But there was a.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Guy that came on the trip. I didn't know him,
never met him.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
His names like Mike Wazowski and there's like.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Now freaking all these articles and pages like Daily Mail,
like apparently like some.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Big escandalo and I'm just like, where do people get
this stuff? Because I was there.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I was there. In fact, half of this was taken
from my content, my stories, and the stuff that these
people are saying is wild.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
And people were like, oh my god, he was like
talking to girls. There was like ten of us.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
And like literally he might have said one thing to
like one person, but he was literally just hanging out
with the boys.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
And I was like, it's a bit doochey.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It sounds like Matt was on strict instructions do not
talk to any girls on this trip. He is aware
that all eyes are on him in the lead up
to this wedding. Yeah, I can imagine Tammy and her
sisters laying down the law for him. It's pretty funny
that Olivia labeled him douchey and said that he was
very cold to all the women there. I mean, I
(19:48):
can see now why he had to be, because literally
a photo of him sort of standing next to a
girl looking very unimpressed by his presence has caused a
lot of headaches for him right now. What I don't
get is why did the Daily Mail pick up on
this and run with it? But literally days earlier, Megan
Bissetto had done a full podcast outlining all of these
(20:10):
shady things that he allegedly did, and we don't have
one article written about it. I get the vibe that
the Daily Mail don't want to attribute stuff to so
dramatic because they are a rival of theirs, But still,
I mean, it's such Her podcast was so juicy and
the details in that were much more revealing than him
just standing next to a woman at an influencer event.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I mean, apparently the.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Whole thing was wrapped up by seven pm and they
got home to Melbourne a couple of hours later. The
Daily Mail was proposing it as his boozy night out.
It sounded all very bizarre, like they were playing darts
with one another. I mean, why did he even agree
to go on this trip, Like was he paid or
was it just for the experience of flying on a
private jet? The fact he didn't tag them or put
paid partnership. I think it was just a bit of
(20:53):
a free bet. Maybe Tammy was away and he thought
it might be fun to go. It's quite funny because
while Olivia has gone into bat for mate, and she's
tried to set the record straight about his behavior. She
hasn't particularly painted him in the best light, like as
you said, she called him a douchebag, a lot of
backhanded compliments. I was like, yeah, he wasn't flirting with
those girls because he was he thought he was better
than everyone that didn't talk to any of us. I
(21:15):
think we should throw more to what she said, because
it was very entertaining.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
My first impression of him was kind of that he
was about as interesting as a spachelor, like, but that
was like his worst crime on this trip. And I
don't know about anything else because this seems to be
like a whole thing, you know, so I don't know
any kind of backstory or whatever. I'm just talking about
this instance specifically, And like I did notice, I was
(21:40):
looking at his posts about this and he had tagged
flight Center instead of flight Club, which was actually who
we were there with. And I was like, I think
he's a bit daff but you know, not illegal to
be a bit, you know, not sharpest tool in the
shed vibes.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Olivia finished up by saying that she hopes wasn't offended
by her analysis, but knows he probably won't look at
her account anyway. Well, she even went as far to
say that he was boring, which she said isn't illegal,
but probably not a great person to be having on
an influencer trip where you're trying to get to know
people and you're playing.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Darts and socializing.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Maybe not so fun to hang around, but the company
must be absolutely thrilled that the promotion that this has
given them. Let's get into our highs and lows of
the week, Amy, I'll kick us off. My high of
the week is I have recently joined a Facebook group
called Mum's Christmas Facebook. It is exceptional. It has one
hundred and fifty thousand members, and it is getting me
(22:38):
so excited for Christmas. Of course, tomorrow is November one,
which I think is the appropriate time to start getting festive.
I think everyone's getting into it earlier and earlier each year,
because I have seen a lot of chat on Instagram
and TikTok saying look November first, that is officially when
we can start celebrating Christmas. Well, some of these women
in this Facebook group, they've gone too far, so I sorry,
(22:59):
I disagree. No, okay, get this. They have already put
their Christmas trees up fully decorated. Yeah, but yours isn't decorated.
They've also bought every single one of their Christmas presents
for their family members and wrapped them what.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it actually
got alive.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, it actually made me feel stressed. But part of
the fun I think of Christmas shopping is when you
go to the shops and there's decorations and there's carols playing.
Like so many of the shops, they don't actually put
their official Christmas decorations up until Santa is in the store.
So while they might be selling Christmas decorations, they're not
(23:39):
playing carols. They don't have their own in store decorations
set up.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's not a vibe.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well, I suppose this is a mum's Facebook group and
maybe they don't have the time to be out and
about shopping with everyone else.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
So how do they have.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
The time pre Christmas to do it? Well, a lot
of them are said that they buy things throughout the year,
but I don't know how that works with kids, because
normally you take them to see stand and then they'll
tell Santa what they want Anyway, I'm not shitting on
this scrip because I very much enjoy it. There looks
like there's some amazing women in there that are giving
some brilliant advice. And I came across this thing that
I want to do for Jack so and I feel
(24:12):
a bit of pressure because when you guys have kids,
you're gonna have to do the same thing as me.
So I feel pressure if I'm going to start a
new tradition. But it's called a December First Box. So
originally I thought I wanted to do a Christmas Eve box,
but these December First boxes make more sense to me
because you give them to your child at the start
of December, and they have things like Christmas pajamas and
Christmas activities and Christmas books that you can actually enjoy
(24:34):
throughout the whole month, rather than getting them all on
Christmas Eve. The only person I've ever seen do this
is Anastasia King's North's mum.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
The Christmas Eve Box. Yeah, and I always I agree.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I think, well, why the fuck do they want these pajamas?
They can for one night. I told Dale your idea
of doing this, and he's like, oh my god, are
you serious?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Like that is just so over the top.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But I was like, oh no, she's probably gonna have
bought that stuff for Jack anyway. But it's cute thing
of them getting excited for the holiday season. Yeah, I
already had all of the stuff, and I'm like, oh,
I just need to make a box. So I want
to do a bit of a DIY. I might put
it on my TikTok.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Should I be so cute?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Sorry, if you filmed every year Jack opening the box,
because imagine having that for X amount of years and
even getting to see like because you've got to remember
those pajamas for him when he grows up. That will
be like vintage Christmas pajamas.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And also I want to point out you don't have
to always put new things in this box.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
It can be recycled things.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So it might be that you have a special Christmas
book that you put in the box every year, the
same one, and you just refresh it with a few
new things. There's so many good things at the op
shops right now is a good time to go and
check out the Christmas decorations. That is a good recommendation.
Now I get to my love of the week. It
is Christmas related as well, I have been hanging out
to take Jack to the Christmas pageant. He will be
(25:50):
five months next week, and Reese was telling me, Oh,
he's too young to go. He won't enjoy it. Guess
who's going to enjoy it?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Me?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I wanted to go. I wanted to get into the
Christmas I wanted you to go. I wanted his grandparents
to go. I thought it would be a great kickstart
to the Christmas season. Unfortunately, it's thirty three degrees that day.
Normally I would love it, but I can't take him
out in thirty three degree weather. So We're gonna have
to watch it on the TV. And I'm so disappointed.
Wait are we coming over to watch it with you?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
We can? I mean, because I think we should do.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Like a big like brunch or something and make it
a bit of a Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I'm all for that.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I'm all for starting new Christmas tradition. So if anyone
out there has any Christmas traditions that they think are
great for kids, because I'm on the fence about doing
Elf on the shelf. I don't think I have to
do it this year, but I was thinking of putting
the Elf on the shelf in Jack's December first box.
Oh maybe Elf on the Shelf could do something each
week or something not every day. Yeah, he's gone to
stay for a week.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Look.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
So my high of the week, it's a pretty exciting one.
It's that I am going to be extending my family
to an extra kitten.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I was like, what, Yes, So a lot of the
listeners might already know that. I have two beautiful rag
dolls called Gigi and Bentley, and Dale's mum. She's got
a property up in the hills, and a cat has
given birth to these four kittens, and they're looking for
good homes for them. This cat is the spitting image
of our family, our previous family cat Lulu, and also theatre.
(27:16):
And I saw this cat and I had just this
connection with it. I was like, oh my god, I
love it. I didn't think anything of it because I
think Dale's already has enough fluff from the two cats
to deal with. He's not a huge animal person. So
I nearly died the next day when he said to me,
I've been thinking about you and that cat.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And I think you should get it.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, what's the difference between two and three cats? I mean,
it'd be different if it was a dog. Yeah, So
I am looking for name suggestions. We believe it's a
little girl, so I was thinking of Winnie, but I
suggested Winnie because gg was named after Gigi had did.
We also had Lulu, which is old, an old model,
so I'm thinking Winnie.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Harlowe. Yeah, well, Harlow very popular in the moment thanks
to Sarah's day.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, Winnie works because if a ends out that this
kitten is a boy, it can be a boys name.
It can be Winston. So anyway, Winnifred. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Now my low of the week is that Anna Kendrick's
new movie has come out on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It's been number one in Australia.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Please don't talk about it because I hate scary movies
and you started telling me about it and it's just
freaked me out. No, it's good. I mean, it's worth watching.
I was watching it by myself, so I wouldn't recommend that.
But anyway, because she has been everywhere at the moment,
we've spoken about it before, a lot of people think
that Iron particular look like Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I did get it when I was in Utah as well.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, and so now everyone keeps coming out of the woodwhere
they're like, oh my god, you look like Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
You look at Anna Kendrick.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's just
been quite.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Quite overwhelming the amount of people saying it.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Well, it depressed me because there was a troll comment
director to Anna Kendrick saying, oh, can this middle aged
woman stop winging? And I was like middle aged woman?
And then I'm like, she's thirty nine, And then I
had this spiral because I'm like, wow, forty actually is
probably considered middle aged. How fucking good does she look
for thirty nine. You'd never think that she was thirty nine.
It looks like she's mid twenties. I actually really enjoyed
(29:07):
her interview on Call Her Daddy.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I need to listen to this.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Oh my god, I just want to be friends with her.
After listening to her talking on there, one of the
funny things that she'd actually discussed was one of her
biggest fears, which is people seeing her natural hair. So
she presents herself with straight hair, but what is it
naturally she presents straight so well, Basically Alex Cooper said
to her, what is the most high maintenance thing about you,
(29:31):
and she said, it's actually my.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Hair because I have I'm like a secret Curly.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Why I'm like a secret like like like Kerrie Russell
and Felicity level Curly, you have gorgeous hair.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, you know what my hair looks like? With her wealth,
why does she not get it chemically straightened?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I'm not sure, but she said that he has become
such a big deal that she has never shown her
friends up until recently what her natural hair looks like.
So she's said that she had to do kind of
this big reveal chat to warn her friends, like, I'm
coming down, this is what my hair looks like just
after drive blow dried it.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
It's not nice.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
And she said that she even did a reveal to
her therapist because it was such a huge concern of hers.
So it made me like her even more because you
think these movie stars, what issues do they have?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Hm?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, I mean it's not a huge one, but.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
It also made me think I really want to see
what her hair looks like. I know, I can only imagine.
I mean I kind of relate.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I don't like my hair naturally dried, but I now
wear it wet and a pulled back in a ponytail
all the time. Well, on that note, I probably could
talk about hair for another two hours, but we will
leave you to the rest of your Oh my, no,
we'll leave you to the rest of your Thursday. Thank
you again for listening. This episode was recorded on the
traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaid Planes.
We pay respect to Elder's past and present and if
(30:49):
you do enjoy the show, tomorrow we are dropping a
subscriber only episode which we were about to record now. Yes,
and don't forget to follow Outspoken on TikTok and also
on Instagram. And while you're away, Kate so Thin and
I kept plugging our own TikTok quite insufferable.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, I actually am.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Putting up a recent TikTok of our Halloween party and
how I managed to get all this shit organized in
about two hours, So if you want to check that out,
and if I get my act together, I might put
a TikTok off about my first of December podcast. Yes, definitely. Well,
thank you guys so much for listening.
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