Have you ever felt like you're drowning in clutter, juggling papers and to-do lists, and struggling to find time for yourself? What if you could reclaim hours every week by simply organizing your home and mindset?
In today's episode, Lisa Woodruff, the creator of The Sunday Basket® , shares how this simple yet powerful system can help you regain control of your time and mental space. If you’ve been battling clutter and distractions, this episode will show you how organizing your environment can transform your life. It's especially relevant if you’re a busy woman looking for more peace and productivity.
In this episode, you will:
- Learn how organizing your Sunday routine can save you 5 hours every week.
- Discover the power of the Sunday Basket and how it can eliminate the mental load of keeping track of tasks.
- Understand why organizing your own space is key to long-term success, even if you’ve struggled with clutter before.
Listen to this episode now and learn how a simple Sunday habit can change the way you live and work!
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Lisa Woodruff (00:00):
Every single person can learn to be organized
.
Organization is a learnableskill.
I'm a kindergarten teacher.
This is Kindergarten Simple.
I can teach you.
Michelle Gauthier (00:11):
You're listening to Overwhelmed Working
Woman, the podcast that helpsyou be more calm and more
productive by doing less.
I'm your host, MichelleGauthier, a former Overwhelmed
Working Woman and current lifecoach.
On this show, we unpack thestress and pressure that former
overwhelmed working woman andcurrent life coach.
On this show, we unpack thestress and pressure that today's
working woman experiences, andin each episode you'll get a
(00:33):
strategy to bring more calm,ease and relaxation to your life
.
Hey friends, thanks for joiningtoday.
Today I have a really excitingguest.
Her name is Lisa Woodruff andshe created this system called
the Sunday Basket, which you'vemaybe heard me talk about on the
podcast before.
It's this idea that youorganize your week every Sunday
(00:56):
and throughout the week, youtake all those papers that end
up on your kitchen counter andeverywhere else and put them in
one basket and you deal withthem at one time once a week.
Lisa is the founder of Organize365.
She's a best-selling author.
She has a podcast with 24million downloads, hashtag goals
(01:17):
.
She's helped thousands of womentake control of their time,
their papers, their mentalclutter, and so today, when you
listen to this episode, you'regoing to learn how this Sunday
basket system that she came upwith can save you hours each
week, and why organizing yourown space is the key to long
term success.
So she suggests, for example,that we don't start with the
(01:39):
kitchen counter, but that westart with our own closet, and
then a couple mindset shiftsthat help busy women let go of
guilt and embrace doing less.
So if you've had enough oflosing time to clutter and
distractions and endless to-dolists, this episode is for you.
Welcome, Lisa.
I am so glad that you are here.
(02:00):
It feels like a full circlemoment for me because when I,
long before I started my lifecoaching business, was a
corporate America working momtrying to manage it all, just
Googled I don't even know whatand I came across your Sunday
basket and I started using theconcept and for anybody
listening that doesn't know whatthat is, you're about to find
(02:20):
out but I started using thatconcept, I mean in 2013, 2014
timeframe.
I still do, I still plan onSundays, I still go through my
little basket on Sundays and Irecommend it to clients all the
time, and so last time I talkedabout it on the podcast, I
looked up who invented theSunday basket, because I've been
(02:41):
using it forever.
I forgot and then I found yourname again and I reached out to
you and I asked you if you wouldbe on the podcast, and I'm so
thrilled that you're here.
Lisa Woodruff (02:50):
Michelle, thank you so much for having me.
I love meeting and talking withwomen about getting our time
back for uniquely created to do,which is obviously what you did
, so I'm so glad it helped you.
I'm glad you looked it up againand found me again.
I know that was.
Michelle Gauthier (03:03):
it was so fun .
So I am super excited to haveyou and just thank you for all
of the hours that you have savedme and, by me passing it on to
other people, saved even more.
Do you have any idea how manylike people you have influenced,
or do you have any idea on that?
Lisa Woodruff (03:22):
Yes, we do Tell me yes.
So I estimate that there's astatistic that you spend 55
minutes a day looking for thingsand once you have the Sunday
basket you stop looking forthings.
So I back that off a little andI say that the Sunday basket
saves you five hours per week,which most people will say yeah,
it's about once you get itgoing like, yeah, it feels about
right.
(03:43):
Right, we were in the middle ofdoing an actual time study on
that when COVID started and Iwas like, well, throw that out
the window.
Yeah, someday we may actuallygo back and be a statistically
accurate of those five hours.
But if you believe that theSunday basket saves you five
hours per week, every week wehave used our Sunday basket
sales, which officially startedin 2018 is when we started
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selling the physical Sundaybasket.
So only physical Sunday basketsales, not people who made their
own.
Only physical Sunday basketsales.
Five hours per week, startingsix weeks after the person makes
their purchase, is 10.5 millionhours.
So far.
Michelle Gauthier (04:19):
Oh my gosh, and I love to think about what.
What are those 10.5 millionhours spent doing instead Like,
maybe relaxing or like I don'tknow, spending time with family?
Or so much possibility.
Lisa Woodruff (04:36):
Yeah, no, they tell us.
So, yes, they do that, but alsostarting foundations.
Literally, our workbox was inthe lab that invented the COVID
vaccine.
Michelle Gauthier (04:46):
Really.
Lisa Woodruff (04:47):
Writing books.
There was someone who leftFlorida during COVID, left her
teenagers in Florida and went toNew York and worked in the
hospitals because she didn'twant the staff that had young
children working in thehospitals before we even know
what was going to happen withCOVID and she said she couldn't
have done that without theSunday basket.
Like, yes, it gives us our timeand our mental mind back, but
it really, when people have timeto do what they're uniquely
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created to do, they do reallybig things.
Michelle Gauthier (05:11):
Yes, oh my gosh, that is amazing.
Yeah, I guess I could even saythat in my case, I quit my
corporate job and startedcoaching.
I've been doing that full-timefor seven years, helping women,
you know, create their own bestlives.
So what a ripple effect you'vecreated.
Will you take us back and tellus a little bit about why you
started this?
Have you always just been anorganized person?
Lisa Woodruff (05:34):
So I guess there are like three mini stories.
So yes, I was totally anorganized kid.
I'd get sent to my bedroom fortimeout and I'd reorganize it,
and then I organized my sister,and then I organized my mother.
She's an artist, so that was achallenge and that was fun.
And then I had two childrenunder the age of two and then I
was not organized.
Anybody can relate yeah, they'llwrite that, yeah, all my
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friends were like, hey, lisa'snot organized.
I was like no, lisa has tobecome organized.
So when the kids were sixmonths and two years old is when
I invented the Sunday basket.
Like this is 2002.
So everything is like printedout papers on my kitchen counter
and my son would never sleep soI didn't have any time like to
get caught up on things, andwhen he would fall asleep I
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would get all my papers spreadout and then he'd wake up and
I'd just stack them backtogether.
And it was like this game Iplayed every day and I was not
getting anywhere.
I was paying our bills latebecause I ran out of time, not
because we were out of money, weactually had the money, I just
couldn't remember to pay thebills.
I had no system.
So one Sunday night I took allthose papers and I spread them
out on the family room floor andit was 40 distinct piles of
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things I had to do like invoices, to invoice bills, to pay phone
calls, to make you knowprescriptions to renew library
books, to return all of thosethings, and I put every pile
into a slash pocket and then Ijust put them in a basket.
I had a Longaberger basket andthat became the first Sunday
basket with the slash pockets init and I would go through it
every Sunday and I did that.
I wonder what a slash pocket is, in case they don't know, and
(07:06):
everybody what a slash pocket isin case they don't know.
Yeah, so a slash pocket is likea binder insert, a plastic
binder insert that has a pocketon the front and the back that's
colored okay.
Michelle Gauthier (07:13):
So if you think of that, yeah, so you've
got like 40 different colorfolders not file folders where
the stuff falls out all the time, but like it holds it and you
could see through them so youcould kind of see what's in
there you can hold like an indexcard or a full printed out
email.
Lisa Woodruff (07:28):
So that worked really well and I did that from
2002 all the way until I startedthis company in 2012.
And what you probably got wasan e-book version of this in
2013.
After I'd been doing thiscompany for five years in home
professional organizing and allof that, someone said to me at
least it's not your in-homeorganizing, it's the Sunday
basket.
I was like, but it's just abasket.
They're like, yeah, it's abasket.
(07:49):
So I patented and manufacturedthe Sunday basket and now we
manufacture our slash pockets.
We have, you know, five pink,five blue, five purple.
If you buy them anywhere else,you get a rainbow assortment.
So it's more cognitive work todo your Sunday basket and it
doesn't have the training andthe co-working time.
So, in 2018, we started thecourse and the co-working time
(08:09):
and the physical product thatreally supports you getting
organized on the weekend.
Michelle Gauthier (08:14):
That is amazing, oh my gosh.
And then how was that like, asyou were, for example,
manufacturing a physical productor buying a physical product or
having it manufactured?
I can't imagine what a stretchthat must have been on, like
your brain and your business andyour mind and all those things.
Lisa Woodruff (08:33):
So luckily, I had been in business six years at
the time when we actuallystarted manufacturing, but when
you've never manufactured beforeand luckily I was a
service-based business still.
So all the money in the companywas from doing in-home
professional organizing, whichis like almost a hundred percent
profit.
So I had built the online blog.
I had been podcasting for a fewyears.
At this point, I had someonline courses I was selling, so
(08:56):
I used that revenue in order tobuy the product.
Well, you have to buy a lot ofslash market.
Michelle Gauthier (09:02):
I bet have to buy it.
I think it was like 10,000.
Yeah, I can't just buy like 100, I bet.
Lisa Woodruff (09:06):
No, like 10,000.
So I placed the order, whichtakes a long time to get here,
and, as the order is going to bedelivered and my broker is
going to bring it in the back ofhis van, I started thinking
about, like, how many boxes isthis going to be?
Because I'd never placed, andthat was just for the 1.0s, the
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red, orange, yellow, green, blue.
I'd already placed the orderfor the pink, purple, blue,
green and you had to buy 10,000of each color.
So I was about to get an orderthat was four times the size and
I was like there aren't enoughshelving units in the world for
all of this to fit in my garage.
I was like, yes, I'm renting aoffice and so, yes, doing the
intellectual property, placingthe order, funding the order and
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then storing the order.
And then all of a sudden, Imean, you know, when you start a
business, you don't know whatyou don't know.
Plus, I have a kindergartenteaching degree, so I have a
business degree.
So I'm like, okay, now I've gotto buy an office to store slash
buckets.
I also have to hire somebody toship these out, because I don't
I'm a stay-at-home mom Like Idon't have time to ship them out
(10:09):
.
I don't know how to ship themout.
Also, they're coming in allthese different packages.
We put them together with theSunday baskets were coming from
a different manufacturer.
That was another.
So so now I'm having pallets ofstuff delivered and I rented an
office space.
Like I didn't rent a warehouse,I rented, like, an office
inside of an office building.
So I'm having two pallets nowof Sunday baskets delivered and
(10:33):
they had to deliver them on atruck with where the lift gate
would go down, cause I don'thave a door.
Yeah, so we're delivering themin the parking lot, Like, cause
there's no door, it's an office,there's no delivery area.
So they're pulling up to thefront of the office building at
11 30, which is lunchtime, gosh,and they're delivering pallets
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onto the park in the middle ofthe parking lot.
So I'm blocking people fromgoing to lunch oh my god.
Luckily I have like one littlelike two by four cart and I
could put like six boxes on acart at a time, but they were,
like I don't know, 180 boxes, ohmy god.
And it's July, oh my god.
So probably I'm like running inand out of the locked door like
(11:14):
yeah, yeah, and I was like Ithink I'm in over my head, I
think I don't know what I'mdoing.
Michelle Gauthier (11:20):
Yes, and then I don't know what I'm doing.
I hope someone's going to buythese.
I hope someone's going to buyall these If I spent all this
money.
Lisa Woodruff (11:29):
Oh my gosh.
I have always used cash to buyeverything, sometimes a small
line of credit, but for a longtime I didn't take any money out
of the company and I said to myhusband I'm profitable on paper
.
Look, I'm making so much moneyon paper.
He's like where's the money?
I was like, come on over, comeon over.
I'll show you and I'm like yeah, look around, imagine all of
this is dollar bills.
Michelle Gauthier (11:53):
Exactly.
It's all in folders, oh my gosh.
That's such a great story,though, and that's a lot of the
women who I work with do end upleaving their career and
starting a business or doingsomething different, and it's
such a good example of youreally don't know what you're
doing.
You're never going to feel ahundred% comfortable, but you
just give it a try and you liveand you learn and like look at
this impact that you've had bytaking that risk.
That's just amazing.
(12:14):
Okay, so since then, just at ahigh level, how many Amazon
bestseller books do you have?
Lisa Woodruff (12:19):
Like four right, I do have one traditionally
published book and three Amazonbestseller books and hopefully
soon, we're in the process ofselling my my next traditionally
published book.
Michelle Gauthier (12:31):
OK, that is amazing.
And do you even know how manypodcast episodes you've put out
there?
There's like thousands, itappears.
I've listened to lots, but notall of them, you know.
Lisa Woodruff (12:40):
I, I don't know, because well, we've had a Friday
podcast for 10 years, so whenis that 500 something?
But we started the Wednesdaypodcast six years ago.
But then I do coffee chats andthen there was a year where I
just did Mondays because Iwanted to do Mondays.
I feel like I have no idea, butit's 24 million downloads.
Michelle Gauthier (13:01):
Oh my gosh, that is amazing.
What a great number.
Even if you think of one persondownloading one episode, that
that helped them in some way,like that is an amazing number
of touches.
So thank you for taking thatrisk.
For all of us who have benefitedfrom what you have created, I'm
hoping now that if, if, no, ifsomeone hasn't heard of the
(13:22):
Sunday basket, we talk a lot onthis podcast.
I would say, you know, onceevery couple of months we talk
about clutter being the sourceof overwhelm and, of course,
disorganization.
Since I'm talking tooverwhelmed working women, who
are often moms, it feels likethe kitchen counter is sort of
like the main area of pain.
(13:42):
I mean the whole house too, butthe kitchen counter feels like
the main area of pain.
And my kids are older now.
They're 14 and 17.
So they don't come home withpapers anymore.
They don't even have papers.
But when they were little, likeall the little preschool
drawings and all that stuff, itjust feels so overwhelming
sometimes.
So for someone who has neverheard of the Sunday basket, can
you give us just a high level,what it is?
Lisa Woodruff (14:06):
Yes, so it is like your administrative
assistant for your house, foryour household management role.
So it's not going to docleaning, it's not going to do
organizing, but you, as ahousehold manager, like.
Think about this 68% of the USGDP is American household
spending, and usually the womanis responsible for that.
So we are literally the CEO ofthe largest small business in
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the world, and we do thatthrough a Sunday basket.
So the things that are in theSunday basket would be like
you'll have a slash pocket forbill pay, like everybody has to
have their bills, even if youpay them online.
You know you have to have somekind of a cadence of paying
bills.
You have a slash pocket formenus and meal planning, even if
you order them from a servicelike you got to remember to
order them from a service andcancel it when you're
vacationing and things like that.
(14:48):
So there are some standardthings that everybody has the
same slash pockets for.
That's the red, orange, yellow,blue, green.
So it'd be what you have to dothis week, what you are doing on
your calendar or your mealplanning errands or anything
you're going to do outside ofthe house, your bill pay and
things you're waiting for.
So, like you sent in your taxreturn.
You're waiting for it to comeback.
You sent out for a rebate.
(15:09):
You're waiting for it to comeback.
You emailed the family aboutwhen they're coming for the
holidays.
You're waiting for them torespond.
So that way, every week youcould just touch base.
Like that's right.
You know, susie didn't tell meif we're going to this party or
not.
So those are like everybody doesthose.
And then you have pink, purple,blue, green colors and they're
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each a role that you play as ahousehold manager.
So the pink is the color foryou.
I'll get back to that in aminute.
Blue is the color for people,and pets count as people, so you
might have a slash pocket foreach individual person in your
family.
So if they're school age, youmight have like their school
stuff, their soccer schedule Foryou.
I'm thinking you might havelike getting your temporary
license, finding out informationabout colleges.
(15:55):
You know any of the 1099s orW-2s they have for filing their
taxes, because now they'reworking, you know that kind of
stuff.
Purple is the color for thehouse, so any remodeling, any
repairs that need to be done,selling the house, decluttering
any household related things.
And then green is yourfinancial and administration
color, so taxes, charitablethings that you do, all of that.
(16:15):
When I manufactured this and Ireceived all these slush pockets
and I set up my own finally, myown official Sunday basket I
realized I didn't know how tolabel the pink.
I've been talking about it foryears about how we needed to
have pink for ourselves and Iliterally didn't have any
projects that were just for me.
Everything I did was for myfamily, for my house, for our
(16:35):
finances, for making it all run,and so I started making slash
buckets for me, like things toread, I like to do puzzles,
makeup, clothing, and now pinkis travel for me.
So like I will go and travelwith my family, I'll go and
travel with my husband.
I'm even taking myself on myown trips, just like day long
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homeschooling myself for thingsthat I want to go do.
Michelle Gauthier (16:59):
I love that.
That's awesome.
Yes, I feel like most momswould just be like I don't need
that pink one, but we still needthat pink one.
That's amazing.
Okay, so then you've got allthat stuff.
There's a place for everything.
Lisa Woodruff (17:15):
And then on Sundays, what do you have people
do?
So the thing about this box isit has a divider in it, so it's
an offset divider.
So your slash pockets are inthe back third and the front
third is like an open box, andso that's by design.
We want you to write down everysingle thought you have on an
index card and throw it in thebox so we can wait till Sunday.
Also, like if your kids bringyou a toy, it needs a new
battery, it goes in the box.
(17:36):
If you run out of aprescription but you have it in
your pill container can waittill Sunday, goes in the box.
You're cooking, you run out ofa spice, throw it in the box.
Like every single thing thatwould stop you from being
productive in your life.
Throw in the box.
Then on Sunday you go throughthe mail.
You go through everything youput in there.
You go through all of yourideas on index cards.
You sort them into the rightslash pockets If they can wait.
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You look at all of your slashpockets and you just ask
yourself one question.
There's only one question youask in the Sunday basket and it
is this can this wait until nextSunday?
If it can, it must.
So everything that can has togo back in the box.
It goes in the slouch pocket,but it goes back in the box.
Then what you have left are thethings that cannot wait until
next Sunday.
So you have two choices.
You either say I'm not doingthis, you don't do it, or you
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say I'm going to do it now,which you get about 80% done
during your Sunday basket time,or I have to do it on Monday
because I have to wait to make acall or do whatever.
So it's going to get on mycalendar and what this does is
it eliminates a to-do list.
You don't have a to-do list, youhave a box and every idea and
actionable goes in the box.
And as you have ideasthroughout the week, if you need
to do them before Sunday, youdo them right away, but if they
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can wait, they must wait.
And because they must wait, youcontinue living your life as
you had already pre-planned,instead of chasing actionable
to-dos or whatever your brainthought or the latest text that
came in.
Like you stay on your planMonday through Friday.
Saturday is always a wash andthen Sunday you reset yourself.
So at the end of the Sundaybasket time we plan our week on
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paper like we're in kindergartenbecause I'm a kindergarten
teacher and even though youmight not use that paper,
outline during the week thephysical act of thinking through
your week, looking at yourGoogle calendar, thinking
through oh look, there's notenough time to get from the
doctor's appointment to thesoccer game, okay, well, I need
to make a modification now onSunday instead of Wednesday
after school.
Michelle Gauthier (19:21):
Yes, I absolutely love that, and I too
believe strongly in the writingit down on a piece of paper, and
I literally don't even have tolook back at it if I've done
that, but there's just somethingabout it that makes it real and
I, too, have mine, all you know, in an online calendar.
But there's just somethingpowerful about writing down all
those appointments and puttingthe to-dos in a place on the
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calendar, and then you're justall set for the week and there's
science behind this.
Lisa Woodruff (19:49):
So I'm in the process of getting my PhD
because I want to do a lot ofresearch and there is science
behind writing this down.
There was a scientific studywhere they took people and they
had them take tasks from a listand put them either on a like a
Google calendar, or use a styluson an iPad and put them on a
calendar or put them on anactual physical calendar, and
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obviously they weren't theirtasks, they were just random
tasks.
Then they took these people andthey took them somewhere else
and they had them do somethingelse, like to make it go off of
their mind, and then theybrought them back and they had
them.
Do you know, recall the tasksthat they had put on those
calendars?
And the person who hand wroteit on an actual calendar was far
and away remembered, more thaneven the person who used their
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hand on an iPad.
Michelle Gauthier (20:34):
That's interesting yeah.
Lisa Woodruff (20:36):
That is very interesting.
Michelle Gauthier (20:38):
Yeah, yes, oh , that is interesting.
It's kind of doesn't surpriseme.
I'm glad to hear that scienceis backing it up, because that's
what it feels like.
It feels like it to me anyway,which is tough because I'm such
an efficiency person.
So I feel like, oh, this isn'tas efficient as putting it on my
computer, but I think it isactually.
Lisa Woodruff (20:56):
Well, you put it on your computer, because of
course, we're not going to putall that details, we're not
carrying around the plannersthat we used to but I think the
act of manually having to see iton paper, write it down, think
through, see where you're youcould be more productive during
the week and then yes, I don'tlook at mine throughout the week
either it's just the act oftaking it from a digital source
to a physical source, whichencodes it in your brain, and
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then you move on.
Yes, yes.
Michelle Gauthier (21:20):
So for everybody out there who's
listening, I just know right nowsomebody is saying that's too
much for me.
I don't even know how to getstarted.
My whole house is a mess.
So what is your thoughts?
As far as just if you mentionedyou were an organized person,
what if someone's not anorganized person?
Lisa Woodruff (21:39):
Yeah, and I wanted to mention you know we're
talking about like saving 10million hours.
I've got 24 million downloadsand as I'm saying those, the
numbers don't even seem real tome.
I'm like, oh, it sounds alittle bit bigger than I
actually am, it's not, but I'vebeen doing this for 13 years.
I've been doing this businessfor 13 years and before this
business I was successful in thedirect sales business.
So I brought a lot of thoseorganizational skills and so I
(22:00):
started this business a littlebit faster than I did that
business.
But I mean, it took forever toget the first million downloads.
I think years and years, andyears.
And so what I would say to thatis in anything that you're
doing, learning the habit takestime, but as you continue to do
the habit, you become more andmore and more proficient and it
just becomes second nature andyou don't even think about it
(22:22):
anymore and you start to get anexponential result, like in the
Sunday basket hours, like in thepodcast downloads.
So every single person canlearn to be organized.
Organization is a learnableskill.
I'm a kindergarten teacher.
This is kindergarten, simple.
I can teach you.
It may take you 12 weeks to getyour Sunday basket going
instead of six, but it's not notgoing to work.
I have learned a lot about ADHDand we are actually going to be
(22:45):
doing a lot of research onexecutive function when I get my
PhD.
We already have the test, wealready have people to give it
and this product externalizesyour executive function.
I believe that's what I figuredout how to do, so you don't
have to remember things.
The Sunday basket remembersthem.
You don't have to prioritize itbecause it gets prioritized on
Sunday.
There's a lot of cognitive loadthat we naturally are doing
right now by trying to do to-dolists and remembering everything
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that gets externalized intothis box.
Yeah, when it gets externalizedinto this box, you have your
brain back.
So a lot of times people willsay I don't have five extra
hours during the week where Icould say I have five hours
because I'm using the Sundaybasket.
But they will agree that theyhave five more hours of thinking
capacity.
They're able to think, they'reable to have bigger thoughts,
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they're able to be strategicbecause they're not just trying
to do all the reactive tasks ofthe day.
So what I would say is thereason why there is a physical
box is because you need aphysical representation of your
brain.
You need these specific colorsbecause everybody doing the
Sunday basket is doing the samecolors.
We have a 90-minute co-workingalmost every Sunday so you could
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do it and be held accountablewith a group.
We have courses which I've gotvideos upon videos upon videos
about how to do this.
Like this is not easy, but itis kindergarten simple, and once
you really invest the time intowatching the courses and doing
the co-working time, then youwill be able to establish a
system.
Anybody can learn this.
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It just might take a little bitlonger.
And not learning it meansyou're going to live
disorganized, the rest of yourlife Learning.
It means that you are going tolive more organized the rest of
your life.
It's kind of like I thoughtabout this PhD.
I started when I was 49.
I thought am I really going togo back to school for three
years?
And I thought to myself well,the time is going to pass anyway
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and, yes, it's going to be hard.
But when I'm 53, I'm going tohave a PhD and I won't take that
, I won't be lost.
And now that I'm getting to theend, I'm like I'm so glad that I
did that and so yes, it's hardand it's challenging, but I'm a
completely different person thanI was before I started the PhD.
I think differently, I have awhole new vocabulary, I
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understand things at a differentlevel.
And it's the same withorganization and you always
start with the Sunday basket andwe have other products and
services.
But I say to start with theSunday basket because, as
household managers, if you don'thave a system for your
household management and youstart to organize your closet or
something else and then a kidgets sick or you have to go help
your parents or whatever, nowyou've got a mess there and your
household management isn'torganized.
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The capacity comes from thehousehold management being
organized.
That's when you'll be able totuck in the other organization.
Michelle Gauthier (25:23):
Yes, yes.
So you definitely recommendthis as the start.
This is like the heart of it,and then you can continue on
from there.
I love the thought thateverybody has the capability to
become an organized person, andthe the idea that it might be
harder for some people, based onhow your brain is wired, also
feels like okay, that's good,it's, anybody can do it.
(25:45):
It's kindergarten, simple.
I love that.
Yes, great.
Another question that I havefor you, just in general, about
organizing when people say likeI've tried before, I've started
and stopped, or even I've donemy kitchen, and then it just
goes back to being a mess, whatdo you say to that?
Lisa Woodruff (26:07):
Yep, two things I say to that.
First of all, sometimes whensomething is organized in one
season of life, it's notorganized in the next season of
life because you're organizingit the old way.
So if you have children, yourhousehold functions differently.
Every you know 18 months tothree years, you have to have
different kinds of systems.
The second thing is you doSwiss cheese organizing, which
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means you're just like lookingat what you can organize, that
you see like, okay, I'll do thelaundry, I'll do this, I'll do
this.
And while it visually looksbetter in the short term, it's
not actually getting long-termorganized, because the order in
which you get organized is asimportant as how much time you
put into it.
If you reorder what you'redoing with the same amount of
time, you'll actually getorganized.
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So, for example, if you wantedto organize this weekend, you're
probably going to start withthe kitchen and the laundry room
and maybe the family room oryour closet.
Your closet is a good choice,all the other ones bad choice.
And the reason why they're abad choice is because your
family is in those spaces andthey're going to undo whatever
you do within a week or so.
It's pointless, it's liketreading water.
(27:11):
What you should do instead isnumber one organize yourself,
your closet, your car, yourbedroom, your portion of the
bathroom.
Then move on to the storageareas.
What, yes, storage?
Nobody goes there.
Nobody wants to go there.
Go down, organize that.
Make it a prepaid store.
Put in shelving, make it looklike a store.
When you go down there itshould be all shelving and bins
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and you know what you have andit will stay organized forever.
When you organize the storageroom the way we organize it, you
can literally move houses andit'll be the first thing
organized in your new house andpeople have.
It is a prepaid store.
Next thing you do.
Then you get into the familyspaces.
We tend to organize ourchildren first.
I don't even know why it'sundone the next day.
Then we do our family spacesafter that.
(27:53):
That'll make it maybe a week, amonth if you're lucky, and then
we never get to storage and weput ourselves last.
Forget it.
Just go organize yourself for amonth.
You'll be so much happier andwhen you organize your bedroom,
bathroom and closet, you will beliving a 50 percent, an
organized life.
50 percent of the time You'llgo to bed organized and you'll
wake up organized and then yougo from there.
(28:13):
So it's the order in whichyou're getting organized and you
have to match your phase oflife.
So there's a little bit ofstrategic.
Got to be strategic.
Michelle Gauthier (28:21):
Yes, I absolutely love that.
I've never heard thatsuggestion before.
I think that's so wonderful,and I also noticed that when I'm
really organized, my childrennotice and they follow suit, and
whatever room is clean andorganized is the ones that we
just naturally end up hangingout in, and I think it's amazing
how it just has an effect onthe overall feel of the
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household.
I just heard a guest on yourpodcast say the other day she
was talking about how her kidsknow, when they want her to do
something, that they go put itin the Sunday basket.
Like, don't tell me right now,unless it has to be done this
moment, if it's something I haveto sign or something I need to
look at, just go put it in there.
And I love that.
I think that's such a great.
(29:04):
You know a great way to leadyour family, because really we
do, we just do.
We set the tone and we lead thefamily as the mom.
Okay, great, thank you.
I will ask you at the end wherethey can buy that stuff and all
those things.
But the last thing I want toask you are the two questions
that I ask everybody who is aguest on the podcast, and the
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first one is what is somethingthat you can do immediately if
you feel overwhelmed, to helpyourself feel better?
8,000 things come to my mind,don't?
We all are like, okay, which of?
Lisa Woodruff (29:32):
the 8,000 things come to my mind, don't we all?
We're like, okay, which of the8,000 things?
Michelle Gauthier (29:37):
did they do?
I was thinking you were goingto say I never get overwhelmed,
I'm so organized I'm neveroverwhelmed.
Lisa Woodruff (29:42):
No, I was like clean out your purse, Like
there's so many you know.
You know what I would sayWhatever just came to your mind
Because I thought, well, cleanout your purse, because I want
to clean out my purse, or gotake a bath, or go take a walk
or, you know, order something onAmazon or get takeout tonight,
like I think you should do.
Whatever just came to your mindis what you should do.
Michelle Gauthier (30:00):
Yeah, that's the thing that will work for you
.
Yes, and what is something thatyou do to consistently do less?
Like, for example, I wouldnever go to the grocery store.
I always order my groceries.
Like, what is something thatyou do regularly to do less?
So many things.
Lisa Woodruff (30:17):
We could talk for hours about this, but I would
say something that I continuallydo to do less is dishes.
So I'm only doing 50% of thehousework.
If that in our house, like myhusband, does everything
food-related.
I do laundry, he does dog.
We have it very well divided,mostly because I abdicated my
role.
If you are waiting for yourspouse to be like, how could I
(30:39):
tell you, help you, and I willdo that from here.
It's not happening.
You just have to walk in andabdicate your responsibility.
That's how I got out of food,but I don't mind doing the
dishes and I still do the dishes.
Here's the thing I do dishesthree times a week because
that's what works for me.
Okay.
Now we eat a lot of takeout.
We're in our 50s, so we usuallydon't eat dinner and my
daughter makes her own food.
(30:59):
So I will do the dishes onWednesday night, because our
house gets cleaned on Thursday,so it has to be cleaned.
Wednesday.
I start the dishwasher.
Then sometime on Friday nightor Saturday I will run the
dishwasher again, so we haveenough food dishes and the house
is clean.
Because on Sunday mymother-in-law comes over for
dinner, okay, and then afterwe're done eating on Sunday, I
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do the dishes and I run thedishwasher one more time.
Now, initially, when I startedthis, sometimes my husband or
others in my family would say,hey, there are a lot of dishes,
and I'd be like, yes, there are,as in.
Like, you know how to wash adish, feel free, because I'm
going to do it at these threetimes.
So I know when I'm doing it andI see that it's a mess and I
just walk on by because I don'thave the time, working 60 hours
(31:43):
a week and getting a PhD to bedoing dishes three times a day.
Nor do I care.
I don't care, I just walk byand I go upstairs and I take a
hot bath or I go in and I read abook in another room, like I
just don't care, and so that'swhat I would say.
Like you can change yourexpectations and over the years
we've lived in the same housefor 30 years Like there have
been times where I did thedishes three times a day.
Right now I'm doing it threetimes a week.
(32:04):
You know, I'll probably go backto doing it daily when I love
that.
Michelle Gauthier (32:10):
Tell us your thoughts that enable you to go
in the other room and read abook.
When there are dishes Like,what do you think?
Okay, first of all you guys.
Lisa Woodruff (32:20):
50 is fabulous.
Michelle Gauthier (32:21):
First of all, when you turn 40,.
When you turn 40, are you?
Lisa Woodruff (32:25):
Yes, no way, yes, oh my gosh.
So 40, you're like okay, I'mgoing to stop defending my
thoughts to my friends, butyou're still like, but I hope
they still like agree with whatI think.
50, you're like I don't care, Idon't care what you do, this is
what I'm doing, so I'm movingon.
So part of it is just age and Idon't think we talk about that
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Part of it is just like theolder you get and you don't care
what your family thinks, onlyfor the woman, because we as
women, we like.
If our kids or our spouse camehome and said, I want to do X Y
Z, we'd be like all right, wheredo we get the money?
How do we figure it out?
We come home and say we want todo X Y Z and they're like oh,
you're going to leave again.
How much is that going to cost?
(33:10):
Why do you have to?
Can't you just do that fromhome?
Is it unavailable virtually?
And I'm like no, I can't do abook tour virtually, I'm going
to be gone for it.
I mean, my husband is stillcomplaining about the book tour
from five years ago.
Wait till he finds out there'sgoing to be another one.
Let's just not worry about it.
And it doesn't matter how muchmoney you make.
It doesn't matter accolades orhow many how'd you prepare?
(33:31):
They do not want you to not dowhat you used to do in a
previous phase of life.
And women go through a lot ofphases of life, men not so much.
Anyway, women do like.
We continually reinventourselves, at least every decade
, if not more often and you haveto just start saying to
yourself that's great, do thedishes if you want.
(33:51):
I'm not doing them right nowyeah, that's great do whatever
I'm not doing, and I will evenverbally say it, like my husband
will say whatever.
Like the other day I came homefrom work at nine o'clock at
night because I had my PhD.
I was like, and he's like whyare you so happy?
I was like what do you want meto come home as a Grinch?
Michelle Gauthier (34:31):
no-transcript as our default, and I think the
gentle undoing of that, so thatwe are allowed to not care what
other people think, is sopowerful for us to have an
(34:52):
impact in the world.
We have to let go of what otherpeople are thinking, even if
what we think they're thinkingis about the dishes or you know,
small things like that or whatwhat the neighbors would think
if they stopped by and therewere two days worth of dirty
dishes sitting there.
If you decide that you don'tcare about that, then great,
you've just freed up even moreof your brain for your PhD or
whatever, wherever else you wantthat brain to go.
(35:14):
That's awesome.
I love it.
Thank you so much.
Okay, so if everybody's readyto get their own Sunday basket
situation going, where shouldthey go to find this?
Lisa Woodruff (35:25):
So our store, our podcast, my Instagram is all
organized365, organized365.com.
But if you specifically justwant the Sunday basket, we do
have that on Amazon.
It's a little bit less if youbuy it on Amazon and you'll get
free shipping over there if youwant to do that, and if you do,
please leave me a review.
Michelle Gauthier (35:41):
Okay, okay, Will do, will do.
I love that it's on Amazon.
Does that mean the warehouse isnot in your office when it's
being sold on Amazon?
Is it elsewhere?
So we're now.
Lisa Woodruff (35:50):
We're now at 8,000 square feet, so 4,000
square feet of office and anevent space and then 4,000
square feet of warehouse.
Who's in here for five yearsand we fulfill our own Amazon
orders, so it'll still comethrough our warehouse.
Okay, okay, but you just havespace for it now.
Yeah, we have more shelving anda forklift.
Michelle Gauthier (36:07):
My husband's getting bigger and bigger Piles
of dollars built of dollarsbills he does in that yes, oh my
gosh, is there anything that Ihaven't asked you, that you want
to say, or plug, or anythingelse?
I could ask you anotherquestion.
Lisa Woodruff (36:22):
All I would say is you're doing great.
Like you are doing great,you're in the right place.
You're doing what you need tobe doing.
This is a great podcast tolisten to.
You are, you know, filling yourmind with possibilities and
proactive and positive things.
You are, you know, filling yourmind with possibilities and
proactive and positive things.
You are a woman of excellence.
Perfection does not exist.
Just take the next step.
You're uniquely gifted andcalled and created to do
(36:44):
something.
Just keep following that vision.
You can do it and we're here tohelp.
I love that.
Michelle Gauthier (36:51):
I love that.
Yes, I second everything youjust said.
I love it.
I feel like women always thinkthat we're lacking, not doing
enough, et cetera.
Actually, you're doing reallyfreaking great.
We just don't stop to thinkabout it enough and we should,
yeah Well, thank you so much forbeing on and thank you for the
impact you've had on myindividual life, plus all the
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millions of other people whoyou've impacted by having the
nerve to go after and share yourunique gifts.
So thank you, thank you.
Thank you for listening to theOverwhelmed Working Woman
podcast.
If you want to learn more aboutmy work, head over to my
website at michellegothiercom.
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See you next week.
Every single person can learn to be organized
.
Organization is a learnableskill.
I'm a kindergarten teacher.
This is Kindergarten Simple.
I can teach you.
Michelle Gauthier (00:11):
You're listening to Overwhelmed Working
Woman, the podcast that helpsyou be more calm and more
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I'm your host, MichelleGauthier, a former Overwhelmed
Working Woman and current lifecoach.
On this show, we unpack thestress and pressure that former
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On this show, we unpack thestress and pressure that today's
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.
Hey friends, thanks for joiningtoday.
Today I have a really excitingguest.
Her name is Lisa Woodruff andshe created this system called
the Sunday Basket, which you'vemaybe heard me talk about on the
podcast before.
It's this idea that youorganize your week every Sunday
(00:56):
and throughout the week, youtake all those papers that end
up on your kitchen counter andeverywhere else and put them in
one basket and you deal withthem at one time once a week.
Lisa is the founder of Organize365.
She's a best-selling author.
She has a podcast with 24million downloads, hashtag goals
(01:17):
.
She's helped thousands of womentake control of their time,
their papers, their mentalclutter, and so today, when you
listen to this episode, you'regoing to learn how this Sunday
basket system that she came upwith can save you hours each
week, and why organizing yourown space is the key to long
term success.
So she suggests, for example,that we don't start with the
(01:39):
kitchen counter, but that westart with our own closet, and
then a couple mindset shiftsthat help busy women let go of
guilt and embrace doing less.
So if you've had enough oflosing time to clutter and
distractions and endless to-dolists, this episode is for you.
Welcome, Lisa.
I am so glad that you are here.
(02:00):
It feels like a full circlemoment for me because when I,
long before I started my lifecoaching business, was a
corporate America working momtrying to manage it all, just
Googled I don't even know whatand I came across your Sunday
basket and I started using theconcept and for anybody
listening that doesn't know whatthat is, you're about to find
(02:20):
out but I started using thatconcept, I mean in 2013, 2014
timeframe.
I still do, I still plan onSundays, I still go through my
little basket on Sundays and Irecommend it to clients all the
time, and so last time I talkedabout it on the podcast, I
looked up who invented theSunday basket, because I've been
(02:41):
using it forever.
I forgot and then I found yourname again and I reached out to
you and I asked you if you wouldbe on the podcast, and I'm so
thrilled that you're here.
Lisa Woodruff (02:50):
Michelle, thank you so much for having me.
I love meeting and talking withwomen about getting our time
back for uniquely created to do,which is obviously what you did
, so I'm so glad it helped you.
I'm glad you looked it up againand found me again.
I know that was.
Michelle Gauthier (03:03):
it was so fun .
So I am super excited to haveyou and just thank you for all
of the hours that you have savedme and, by me passing it on to
other people, saved even more.
Do you have any idea how manylike people you have influenced,
or do you have any idea on that?
Lisa Woodruff (03:22):
Yes, we do Tell me yes.
So I estimate that there's astatistic that you spend 55
minutes a day looking for thingsand once you have the Sunday
basket you stop looking forthings.
So I back that off a little andI say that the Sunday basket
saves you five hours per week,which most people will say yeah,
it's about once you get itgoing like, yeah, it feels about
right.
(03:43):
Right, we were in the middle ofdoing an actual time study on
that when COVID started and Iwas like, well, throw that out
the window.
Yeah, someday we may actuallygo back and be a statistically
accurate of those five hours.
But if you believe that theSunday basket saves you five
hours per week, every week wehave used our Sunday basket
sales, which officially startedin 2018 is when we started
(04:05):
selling the physical Sundaybasket.
So only physical Sunday basketsales, not people who made their
own.
Only physical Sunday basketsales.
Five hours per week, startingsix weeks after the person makes
their purchase, is 10.5 millionhours.
So far.
Michelle Gauthier (04:19):
Oh my gosh, and I love to think about what.
What are those 10.5 millionhours spent doing instead Like,
maybe relaxing or like I don'tknow, spending time with family?
Or so much possibility.
Lisa Woodruff (04:36):
Yeah, no, they tell us.
So, yes, they do that, but alsostarting foundations.
Literally, our workbox was inthe lab that invented the COVID
vaccine.
Michelle Gauthier (04:46):
Really.
Lisa Woodruff (04:47):
Writing books.
There was someone who leftFlorida during COVID, left her
teenagers in Florida and went toNew York and worked in the
hospitals because she didn'twant the staff that had young
children working in thehospitals before we even know
what was going to happen withCOVID and she said she couldn't
have done that without theSunday basket.
Like, yes, it gives us our timeand our mental mind back, but
it really, when people have timeto do what they're uniquely
(05:09):
created to do, they do reallybig things.
Michelle Gauthier (05:11):
Yes, oh my gosh, that is amazing.
Yeah, I guess I could even saythat in my case, I quit my
corporate job and startedcoaching.
I've been doing that full-timefor seven years, helping women,
you know, create their own bestlives.
So what a ripple effect you'vecreated.
Will you take us back and tellus a little bit about why you
started this?
Have you always just been anorganized person?
Lisa Woodruff (05:34):
So I guess there are like three mini stories.
So yes, I was totally anorganized kid.
I'd get sent to my bedroom fortimeout and I'd reorganize it,
and then I organized my sister,and then I organized my mother.
She's an artist, so that was achallenge and that was fun.
And then I had two childrenunder the age of two and then I
was not organized.
Anybody can relate yeah, they'llwrite that, yeah, all my
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friends were like, hey, lisa'snot organized.
I was like no, lisa has tobecome organized.
So when the kids were sixmonths and two years old is when
I invented the Sunday basket.
Like this is 2002.
So everything is like printedout papers on my kitchen counter
and my son would never sleep soI didn't have any time like to
get caught up on things, andwhen he would fall asleep I
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would get all my papers spreadout and then he'd wake up and
I'd just stack them backtogether.
And it was like this game Iplayed every day and I was not
getting anywhere.
I was paying our bills latebecause I ran out of time, not
because we were out of money, weactually had the money, I just
couldn't remember to pay thebills.
I had no system.
So one Sunday night I took allthose papers and I spread them
out on the family room floor andit was 40 distinct piles of
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things I had to do like invoices, to invoice bills, to pay phone
calls, to make you knowprescriptions to renew library
books, to return all of thosethings, and I put every pile
into a slash pocket and then Ijust put them in a basket.
I had a Longaberger basket andthat became the first Sunday
basket with the slash pockets init and I would go through it
every Sunday and I did that.
I wonder what a slash pocket is, in case they don't know, and
(07:06):
everybody what a slash pocket isin case they don't know.
Yeah, so a slash pocket is likea binder insert, a plastic
binder insert that has a pocketon the front and the back that's
colored okay.
Michelle Gauthier (07:13):
So if you think of that, yeah, so you've
got like 40 different colorfolders not file folders where
the stuff falls out all the time, but like it holds it and you
could see through them so youcould kind of see what's in
there you can hold like an indexcard or a full printed out
email.
Lisa Woodruff (07:28):
So that worked really well and I did that from
2002 all the way until I startedthis company in 2012.
And what you probably got wasan e-book version of this in
2013.
After I'd been doing thiscompany for five years in home
professional organizing and allof that, someone said to me at
least it's not your in-homeorganizing, it's the Sunday
basket.
I was like, but it's just abasket.
They're like, yeah, it's abasket.
(07:49):
So I patented and manufacturedthe Sunday basket and now we
manufacture our slash pockets.
We have, you know, five pink,five blue, five purple.
If you buy them anywhere else,you get a rainbow assortment.
So it's more cognitive work todo your Sunday basket and it
doesn't have the training andthe co-working time.
So, in 2018, we started thecourse and the co-working time
(08:09):
and the physical product thatreally supports you getting
organized on the weekend.
Michelle Gauthier (08:14):
That is amazing, oh my gosh.
And then how was that like, asyou were, for example,
manufacturing a physical productor buying a physical product or
having it manufactured?
I can't imagine what a stretchthat must have been on, like
your brain and your business andyour mind and all those things.
Lisa Woodruff (08:33):
So luckily, I had been in business six years at
the time when we actuallystarted manufacturing, but when
you've never manufactured beforeand luckily I was a
service-based business still.
So all the money in the companywas from doing in-home
professional organizing, whichis like almost a hundred percent
profit.
So I had built the online blog.
I had been podcasting for a fewyears.
At this point, I had someonline courses I was selling, so
(08:56):
I used that revenue in order tobuy the product.
Well, you have to buy a lot ofslash market.
Michelle Gauthier (09:02):
I bet have to buy it.
I think it was like 10,000.
Yeah, I can't just buy like 100, I bet.
Lisa Woodruff (09:06):
No, like 10,000.
So I placed the order, whichtakes a long time to get here,
and, as the order is going to bedelivered and my broker is
going to bring it in the back ofhis van, I started thinking
about, like, how many boxes isthis going to be?
Because I'd never placed, andthat was just for the 1.0s, the
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red, orange, yellow, green, blue.
I'd already placed the orderfor the pink, purple, blue,
green and you had to buy 10,000of each color.
So I was about to get an orderthat was four times the size and
I was like there aren't enoughshelving units in the world for
all of this to fit in my garage.
I was like, yes, I'm renting aoffice and so, yes, doing the
intellectual property, placingthe order, funding the order and
(09:49):
then storing the order.
And then all of a sudden, Imean, you know, when you start a
business, you don't know whatyou don't know.
Plus, I have a kindergartenteaching degree, so I have a
business degree.
So I'm like, okay, now I've gotto buy an office to store slash
buckets.
I also have to hire somebody toship these out, because I don't
I'm a stay-at-home mom Like Idon't have time to ship them out
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.
I don't know how to ship themout.
Also, they're coming in allthese different packages.
We put them together with theSunday baskets were coming from
a different manufacturer.
That was another.
So so now I'm having pallets ofstuff delivered and I rented an
office space.
Like I didn't rent a warehouse,I rented, like, an office
inside of an office building.
So I'm having two pallets nowof Sunday baskets delivered and
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they had to deliver them on atruck with where the lift gate
would go down, cause I don'thave a door.
Yeah, so we're delivering themin the parking lot, Like, cause
there's no door, it's an office,there's no delivery area.
So they're pulling up to thefront of the office building at
11 30, which is lunchtime, gosh,and they're delivering pallets
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onto the park in the middle ofthe parking lot.
So I'm blocking people fromgoing to lunch oh my god.
Luckily I have like one littlelike two by four cart and I
could put like six boxes on acart at a time, but they were,
like I don't know, 180 boxes, ohmy god.
And it's July, oh my god.
So probably I'm like running inand out of the locked door like
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yeah, yeah, and I was like Ithink I'm in over my head, I
think I don't know what I'mdoing.
Michelle Gauthier (11:20):
Yes, and then I don't know what I'm doing.
I hope someone's going to buythese.
I hope someone's going to buyall these If I spent all this
money.
Lisa Woodruff (11:29):
Oh my gosh.
I have always used cash to buyeverything, sometimes a small
line of credit, but for a longtime I didn't take any money out
of the company and I said to myhusband I'm profitable on paper
.
Look, I'm making so much moneyon paper.
He's like where's the money?
I was like, come on over, comeon over.
I'll show you and I'm like yeah, look around, imagine all of
this is dollar bills.
Michelle Gauthier (11:53):
Exactly.
It's all in folders, oh my gosh.
That's such a great story,though, and that's a lot of the
women who I work with do end upleaving their career and
starting a business or doingsomething different, and it's
such a good example of youreally don't know what you're
doing.
You're never going to feel ahundred% comfortable, but you
just give it a try and you liveand you learn and like look at
this impact that you've had bytaking that risk.
That's just amazing.
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Okay, so since then, just at ahigh level, how many Amazon
bestseller books do you have?
Lisa Woodruff (12:19):
Like four right, I do have one traditionally
published book and three Amazonbestseller books and hopefully
soon, we're in the process ofselling my my next traditionally
published book.
Michelle Gauthier (12:31):
OK, that is amazing.
And do you even know how manypodcast episodes you've put out
there?
There's like thousands, itappears.
I've listened to lots, but notall of them, you know.
Lisa Woodruff (12:40):
I, I don't know, because well, we've had a Friday
podcast for 10 years, so whenis that 500 something?
But we started the Wednesdaypodcast six years ago.
But then I do coffee chats andthen there was a year where I
just did Mondays because Iwanted to do Mondays.
I feel like I have no idea, butit's 24 million downloads.
Michelle Gauthier (13:01):
Oh my gosh, that is amazing.
What a great number.
Even if you think of one persondownloading one episode, that
that helped them in some way,like that is an amazing number
of touches.
So thank you for taking thatrisk.
For all of us who have benefitedfrom what you have created, I'm
hoping now that if, if, no, ifsomeone hasn't heard of the
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Sunday basket, we talk a lot onthis podcast.
I would say, you know, onceevery couple of months we talk
about clutter being the sourceof overwhelm and, of course,
disorganization.
Since I'm talking tooverwhelmed working women, who
are often moms, it feels likethe kitchen counter is sort of
like the main area of pain.
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I mean the whole house too, butthe kitchen counter feels like
the main area of pain.
And my kids are older now.
They're 14 and 17.
So they don't come home withpapers anymore.
They don't even have papers.
But when they were little, likeall the little preschool
drawings and all that stuff, itjust feels so overwhelming
sometimes.
So for someone who has neverheard of the Sunday basket, can
you give us just a high level,what it is?
Lisa Woodruff (14:06):
Yes, so it is like your administrative
assistant for your house, foryour household management role.
So it's not going to docleaning, it's not going to do
organizing, but you, as ahousehold manager, like.
Think about this 68% of the USGDP is American household
spending, and usually the womanis responsible for that.
So we are literally the CEO ofthe largest small business in
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the world, and we do thatthrough a Sunday basket.
So the things that are in theSunday basket would be like
you'll have a slash pocket forbill pay, like everybody has to
have their bills, even if youpay them online.
You know you have to have somekind of a cadence of paying
bills.
You have a slash pocket formenus and meal planning, even if
you order them from a servicelike you got to remember to
order them from a service andcancel it when you're
vacationing and things like that.
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So there are some standardthings that everybody has the
same slash pockets for.
That's the red, orange, yellow,blue, green.
So it'd be what you have to dothis week, what you are doing on
your calendar or your mealplanning errands or anything
you're going to do outside ofthe house, your bill pay and
things you're waiting for.
So, like you sent in your taxreturn.
You're waiting for it to comeback.
You sent out for a rebate.
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You're waiting for it to comeback.
You emailed the family aboutwhen they're coming for the
holidays.
You're waiting for them torespond.
So that way, every week youcould just touch base.
Like that's right.
You know, susie didn't tell meif we're going to this party or
not.
So those are like everybody doesthose.
And then you have pink, purple,blue, green colors and they're
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each a role that you play as ahousehold manager.
So the pink is the color foryou.
I'll get back to that in aminute.
Blue is the color for people,and pets count as people, so you
might have a slash pocket foreach individual person in your
family.
So if they're school age, youmight have like their school
stuff, their soccer schedule Foryou.
I'm thinking you might havelike getting your temporary
license, finding out informationabout colleges.
(15:55):
You know any of the 1099s orW-2s they have for filing their
taxes, because now they'reworking, you know that kind of
stuff.
Purple is the color for thehouse, so any remodeling, any
repairs that need to be done,selling the house, decluttering
any household related things.
And then green is yourfinancial and administration
color, so taxes, charitablethings that you do, all of that.
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When I manufactured this and Ireceived all these slush pockets
and I set up my own finally, myown official Sunday basket I
realized I didn't know how tolabel the pink.
I've been talking about it foryears about how we needed to
have pink for ourselves and Iliterally didn't have any
projects that were just for me.
Everything I did was for myfamily, for my house, for our
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finances, for making it all run,and so I started making slash
buckets for me, like things toread, I like to do puzzles,
makeup, clothing, and now pinkis travel for me.
So like I will go and travelwith my family, I'll go and
travel with my husband.
I'm even taking myself on myown trips, just like day long
(16:56):
homeschooling myself for thingsthat I want to go do.
Michelle Gauthier (16:59):
I love that.
That's awesome.
Yes, I feel like most momswould just be like I don't need
that pink one, but we still needthat pink one.
That's amazing.
Okay, so then you've got allthat stuff.
There's a place for everything.
Lisa Woodruff (17:15):
And then on Sundays, what do you have people
do?
So the thing about this box isit has a divider in it, so it's
an offset divider.
So your slash pockets are inthe back third and the front
third is like an open box, andso that's by design.
We want you to write down everysingle thought you have on an
index card and throw it in thebox so we can wait till Sunday.
Also, like if your kids bringyou a toy, it needs a new
battery, it goes in the box.
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If you run out of aprescription but you have it in
your pill container can waittill Sunday, goes in the box.
You're cooking, you run out ofa spice, throw it in the box.
Like every single thing thatwould stop you from being
productive in your life.
Throw in the box.
Then on Sunday you go throughthe mail.
You go through everything youput in there.
You go through all of yourideas on index cards.
You sort them into the rightslash pockets If they can wait.
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You look at all of your slashpockets and you just ask
yourself one question.
There's only one question youask in the Sunday basket and it
is this can this wait until nextSunday?
If it can, it must.
So everything that can has togo back in the box.
It goes in the slouch pocket,but it goes back in the box.
Then what you have left are thethings that cannot wait until
next Sunday.
So you have two choices.
You either say I'm not doingthis, you don't do it, or you
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say I'm going to do it now,which you get about 80% done
during your Sunday basket time,or I have to do it on Monday
because I have to wait to make acall or do whatever.
So it's going to get on mycalendar and what this does is
it eliminates a to-do list.
You don't have a to-do list, youhave a box and every idea and
actionable goes in the box.
And as you have ideasthroughout the week, if you need
to do them before Sunday, youdo them right away, but if they
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can wait, they must wait.
And because they must wait, youcontinue living your life as
you had already pre-planned,instead of chasing actionable
to-dos or whatever your brainthought or the latest text that
came in.
Like you stay on your planMonday through Friday.
Saturday is always a wash andthen Sunday you reset yourself.
So at the end of the Sundaybasket time we plan our week on
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paper like we're in kindergartenbecause I'm a kindergarten
teacher and even though youmight not use that paper,
outline during the week thephysical act of thinking through
your week, looking at yourGoogle calendar, thinking
through oh look, there's notenough time to get from the
doctor's appointment to thesoccer game, okay, well, I need
to make a modification now onSunday instead of Wednesday
after school.
Michelle Gauthier (19:21):
Yes, I absolutely love that, and I too
believe strongly in the writingit down on a piece of paper, and
I literally don't even have tolook back at it if I've done
that, but there's just somethingabout it that makes it real and
I, too, have mine, all you know, in an online calendar.
But there's just somethingpowerful about writing down all
those appointments and puttingthe to-dos in a place on the
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calendar, and then you're justall set for the week and there's
science behind this.
Lisa Woodruff (19:49):
So I'm in the process of getting my PhD
because I want to do a lot ofresearch and there is science
behind writing this down.
There was a scientific studywhere they took people and they
had them take tasks from a listand put them either on a like a
Google calendar, or use a styluson an iPad and put them on a
calendar or put them on anactual physical calendar, and
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obviously they weren't theirtasks, they were just random
tasks.
Then they took these people andthey took them somewhere else
and they had them do somethingelse, like to make it go off of
their mind, and then theybrought them back and they had
them.
Do you know, recall the tasksthat they had put on those
calendars?
And the person who hand wroteit on an actual calendar was far
and away remembered, more thaneven the person who used their
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hand on an iPad.
Michelle Gauthier (20:34):
That's interesting yeah.
Lisa Woodruff (20:36):
That is very interesting.
Michelle Gauthier (20:38):
Yeah, yes, oh , that is interesting.
It's kind of doesn't surpriseme.
I'm glad to hear that scienceis backing it up, because that's
what it feels like.
It feels like it to me anyway,which is tough because I'm such
an efficiency person.
So I feel like, oh, this isn'tas efficient as putting it on my
computer, but I think it isactually.
Lisa Woodruff (20:56):
Well, you put it on your computer, because of
course, we're not going to putall that details, we're not
carrying around the plannersthat we used to but I think the
act of manually having to see iton paper, write it down, think
through, see where you're youcould be more productive during
the week and then yes, I don'tlook at mine throughout the week
either it's just the act oftaking it from a digital source
to a physical source, whichencodes it in your brain, and
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then you move on.
Yes, yes.
Michelle Gauthier (21:20):
So for everybody out there who's
listening, I just know right nowsomebody is saying that's too
much for me.
I don't even know how to getstarted.
My whole house is a mess.
So what is your thoughts?
As far as just if you mentionedyou were an organized person,
what if someone's not anorganized person?
Lisa Woodruff (21:39):
Yeah, and I wanted to mention you know we're
talking about like saving 10million hours.
I've got 24 million downloadsand as I'm saying those, the
numbers don't even seem real tome.
I'm like, oh, it sounds alittle bit bigger than I
actually am, it's not, but I'vebeen doing this for 13 years.
I've been doing this businessfor 13 years and before this
business I was successful in thedirect sales business.
So I brought a lot of thoseorganizational skills and so I
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started this business a littlebit faster than I did that
business.
But I mean, it took forever toget the first million downloads.
I think years and years, andyears.
And so what I would say to thatis in anything that you're
doing, learning the habit takestime, but as you continue to do
the habit, you become more andmore and more proficient and it
just becomes second nature andyou don't even think about it
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anymore and you start to get anexponential result, like in the
Sunday basket hours, like in thepodcast downloads.
So every single person canlearn to be organized.
Organization is a learnableskill.
I'm a kindergarten teacher.
This is kindergarten, simple.
I can teach you.
It may take you 12 weeks to getyour Sunday basket going
instead of six, but it's not notgoing to work.
I have learned a lot about ADHDand we are actually going to be
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doing a lot of research onexecutive function when I get my
PhD.
We already have the test, wealready have people to give it
and this product externalizesyour executive function.
I believe that's what I figuredout how to do, so you don't
have to remember things.
The Sunday basket remembersthem.
You don't have to prioritize itbecause it gets prioritized on
Sunday.
There's a lot of cognitive loadthat we naturally are doing
right now by trying to do to-dolists and remembering everything
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that gets externalized intothis box.
Yeah, when it gets externalizedinto this box, you have your
brain back.
So a lot of times people willsay I don't have five extra
hours during the week where Icould say I have five hours
because I'm using the Sundaybasket.
But they will agree that theyhave five more hours of thinking
capacity.
They're able to think, they'reable to have bigger thoughts,
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they're able to be strategicbecause they're not just trying
to do all the reactive tasks ofthe day.
So what I would say is thereason why there is a physical
box is because you need aphysical representation of your
brain.
You need these specific colorsbecause everybody doing the
Sunday basket is doing the samecolors.
We have a 90-minute co-workingalmost every Sunday so you could
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do it and be held accountablewith a group.
We have courses which I've gotvideos upon videos upon videos
about how to do this.
Like this is not easy, but itis kindergarten simple, and once
you really invest the time intowatching the courses and doing
the co-working time, then youwill be able to establish a
system.
Anybody can learn this.
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It just might take a little bitlonger.
And not learning it meansyou're going to live
disorganized, the rest of yourlife Learning.
It means that you are going tolive more organized the rest of
your life.
It's kind of like I thoughtabout this PhD.
I started when I was 49.
I thought am I really going togo back to school for three
years?
And I thought to myself well,the time is going to pass anyway
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and, yes, it's going to be hard.
But when I'm 53, I'm going tohave a PhD and I won't take that
, I won't be lost.
And now that I'm getting to theend, I'm like I'm so glad that I
did that and so yes, it's hardand it's challenging, but I'm a
completely different person thanI was before I started the PhD.
I think differently, I have awhole new vocabulary, I
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understand things at a differentlevel.
And it's the same withorganization and you always
start with the Sunday basket andwe have other products and
services.
But I say to start with theSunday basket because, as
household managers, if you don'thave a system for your
household management and youstart to organize your closet or
something else and then a kidgets sick or you have to go help
your parents or whatever, nowyou've got a mess there and your
household management isn'torganized.
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The capacity comes from thehousehold management being
organized.
That's when you'll be able totuck in the other organization.
Michelle Gauthier (25:23):
Yes, yes.
So you definitely recommendthis as the start.
This is like the heart of it,and then you can continue on
from there.
I love the thought thateverybody has the capability to
become an organized person, andthe the idea that it might be
harder for some people, based onhow your brain is wired, also
feels like okay, that's good,it's, anybody can do it.
(25:45):
It's kindergarten, simple.
I love that.
Yes, great.
Another question that I havefor you, just in general, about
organizing when people say likeI've tried before, I've started
and stopped, or even I've donemy kitchen, and then it just
goes back to being a mess, whatdo you say to that?
Lisa Woodruff (26:07):
Yep, two things I say to that.
First of all, sometimes whensomething is organized in one
season of life, it's notorganized in the next season of
life because you're organizingit the old way.
So if you have children, yourhousehold functions differently.
Every you know 18 months tothree years, you have to have
different kinds of systems.
The second thing is you doSwiss cheese organizing, which
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means you're just like lookingat what you can organize, that
you see like, okay, I'll do thelaundry, I'll do this, I'll do
this.
And while it visually looksbetter in the short term, it's
not actually getting long-termorganized, because the order in
which you get organized is asimportant as how much time you
put into it.
If you reorder what you'redoing with the same amount of
time, you'll actually getorganized.
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So, for example, if you wantedto organize this weekend, you're
probably going to start withthe kitchen and the laundry room
and maybe the family room oryour closet.
Your closet is a good choice,all the other ones bad choice.
And the reason why they're abad choice is because your
family is in those spaces andthey're going to undo whatever
you do within a week or so.
It's pointless, it's liketreading water.
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What you should do instead isnumber one organize yourself,
your closet, your car, yourbedroom, your portion of the
bathroom.
Then move on to the storageareas.
What, yes, storage?
Nobody goes there.
Nobody wants to go there.
Go down, organize that.
Make it a prepaid store.
Put in shelving, make it looklike a store.
When you go down there itshould be all shelving and bins
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and you know what you have andit will stay organized forever.
When you organize the storageroom the way we organize it, you
can literally move houses andit'll be the first thing
organized in your new house andpeople have.
It is a prepaid store.
Next thing you do.
Then you get into the familyspaces.
We tend to organize ourchildren first.
I don't even know why it'sundone the next day.
Then we do our family spacesafter that.
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That'll make it maybe a week, amonth if you're lucky, and then
we never get to storage and weput ourselves last.
Forget it.
Just go organize yourself for amonth.
You'll be so much happier andwhen you organize your bedroom,
bathroom and closet, you will beliving a 50 percent, an
organized life.
50 percent of the time You'llgo to bed organized and you'll
wake up organized and then yougo from there.
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So it's the order in whichyou're getting organized and you
have to match your phase oflife.
So there's a little bit ofstrategic.
Got to be strategic.
Michelle Gauthier (28:21):
Yes, I absolutely love that.
I've never heard thatsuggestion before.
I think that's so wonderful,and I also noticed that when I'm
really organized, my childrennotice and they follow suit, and
whatever room is clean andorganized is the ones that we
just naturally end up hangingout in, and I think it's amazing
how it just has an effect onthe overall feel of the
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household.
I just heard a guest on yourpodcast say the other day she
was talking about how her kidsknow, when they want her to do
something, that they go put itin the Sunday basket.
Like, don't tell me right now,unless it has to be done this
moment, if it's something I haveto sign or something I need to
look at, just go put it in there.
And I love that.
I think that's such a great.
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You know a great way to leadyour family, because really we
do, we just do.
We set the tone and we lead thefamily as the mom.
Okay, great, thank you.
I will ask you at the end wherethey can buy that stuff and all
those things.
But the last thing I want toask you are the two questions
that I ask everybody who is aguest on the podcast, and the
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first one is what is somethingthat you can do immediately if
you feel overwhelmed, to helpyourself feel better?
8,000 things come to my mind,don't?
We all are like, okay, which of?
Lisa Woodruff (29:32):
the 8,000 things come to my mind, don't we all?
We're like, okay, which of the8,000 things?
Michelle Gauthier (29:37):
did they do?
I was thinking you were goingto say I never get overwhelmed,
I'm so organized I'm neveroverwhelmed.
Lisa Woodruff (29:42):
No, I was like clean out your purse, Like
there's so many you know.
You know what I would sayWhatever just came to your mind
Because I thought, well, cleanout your purse, because I want
to clean out my purse, or gotake a bath, or go take a walk
or, you know, order something onAmazon or get takeout tonight,
like I think you should do.
Whatever just came to your mindis what you should do.
Michelle Gauthier (30:00):
Yeah, that's the thing that will work for you
.
Yes, and what is something thatyou do to consistently do less?
Like, for example, I wouldnever go to the grocery store.
I always order my groceries.
Like, what is something thatyou do regularly to do less?
So many things.
Lisa Woodruff (30:17):
We could talk for hours about this, but I would
say something that I continuallydo to do less is dishes.
So I'm only doing 50% of thehousework.
If that in our house, like myhusband, does everything
food-related.
I do laundry, he does dog.
We have it very well divided,mostly because I abdicated my
role.
If you are waiting for yourspouse to be like, how could I
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tell you, help you, and I willdo that from here.
It's not happening.
You just have to walk in andabdicate your responsibility.
That's how I got out of food,but I don't mind doing the
dishes and I still do the dishes.
Here's the thing I do dishesthree times a week because
that's what works for me.
Okay.
Now we eat a lot of takeout.
We're in our 50s, so we usuallydon't eat dinner and my
daughter makes her own food.
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So I will do the dishes onWednesday night, because our
house gets cleaned on Thursday,so it has to be cleaned.
Wednesday.
I start the dishwasher.
Then sometime on Friday nightor Saturday I will run the
dishwasher again, so we haveenough food dishes and the house
is clean.
Because on Sunday mymother-in-law comes over for
dinner, okay, and then afterwe're done eating on Sunday, I
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do the dishes and I run thedishwasher one more time.
Now, initially, when I startedthis, sometimes my husband or
others in my family would say,hey, there are a lot of dishes,
and I'd be like, yes, there are,as in.
Like, you know how to wash adish, feel free, because I'm
going to do it at these threetimes.
So I know when I'm doing it andI see that it's a mess and I
just walk on by because I don'thave the time, working 60 hours
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a week and getting a PhD to bedoing dishes three times a day.
Nor do I care.
I don't care, I just walk byand I go upstairs and I take a
hot bath or I go in and I read abook in another room, like I
just don't care, and so that'swhat I would say.
Like you can change yourexpectations and over the years
we've lived in the same housefor 30 years Like there have
been times where I did thedishes three times a day.
Right now I'm doing it threetimes a week.
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You know, I'll probably go backto doing it daily when I love
that.
Michelle Gauthier (32:10):
Tell us your thoughts that enable you to go
in the other room and read abook.
When there are dishes Like,what do you think?
Okay, first of all you guys.
Lisa Woodruff (32:20):
50 is fabulous.
Michelle Gauthier (32:21):
First of all, when you turn 40,.
When you turn 40, are you?
Lisa Woodruff (32:25):
Yes, no way, yes, oh my gosh.
So 40, you're like okay, I'mgoing to stop defending my
thoughts to my friends, butyou're still like, but I hope
they still like agree with whatI think.
50, you're like I don't care, Idon't care what you do, this is
what I'm doing, so I'm movingon.
So part of it is just age and Idon't think we talk about that
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Part of it is just like theolder you get and you don't care
what your family thinks, onlyfor the woman, because we as
women, we like.
If our kids or our spouse camehome and said, I want to do X Y
Z, we'd be like all right, wheredo we get the money?
How do we figure it out?
We come home and say we want todo X Y Z and they're like oh,
you're going to leave again.
How much is that going to cost?
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Why do you have to?
Can't you just do that fromhome?
Is it unavailable virtually?
And I'm like no, I can't do abook tour virtually, I'm going
to be gone for it.
I mean, my husband is stillcomplaining about the book tour
from five years ago.
Wait till he finds out there'sgoing to be another one.
Let's just not worry about it.
And it doesn't matter how muchmoney you make.
It doesn't matter accolades orhow many how'd you prepare?
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They do not want you to not dowhat you used to do in a
previous phase of life.
And women go through a lot ofphases of life, men not so much.
Anyway, women do like.
We continually reinventourselves, at least every decade
, if not more often and you haveto just start saying to
yourself that's great, do thedishes if you want.
(33:51):
I'm not doing them right nowyeah, that's great do whatever
I'm not doing, and I will evenverbally say it, like my husband
will say whatever.
Like the other day I came homefrom work at nine o'clock at
night because I had my PhD.
I was like, and he's like whyare you so happy?
I was like what do you want meto come home as a Grinch?
Michelle Gauthier (34:31):
no-transcript as our default, and I think the
gentle undoing of that, so thatwe are allowed to not care what
other people think, is sopowerful for us to have an
(34:52):
impact in the world.
We have to let go of what otherpeople are thinking, even if
what we think they're thinkingis about the dishes or you know,
small things like that or whatwhat the neighbors would think
if they stopped by and therewere two days worth of dirty
dishes sitting there.
If you decide that you don'tcare about that, then great,
you've just freed up even moreof your brain for your PhD or
whatever, wherever else you wantthat brain to go.
(35:14):
That's awesome.
I love it.
Thank you so much.
Okay, so if everybody's readyto get their own Sunday basket
situation going, where shouldthey go to find this?
Lisa Woodruff (35:25):
So our store, our podcast, my Instagram is all
organized365, organized365.com.
But if you specifically justwant the Sunday basket, we do
have that on Amazon.
It's a little bit less if youbuy it on Amazon and you'll get
free shipping over there if youwant to do that, and if you do,
please leave me a review.
Michelle Gauthier (35:41):
Okay, okay, Will do, will do.
I love that it's on Amazon.
Does that mean the warehouse isnot in your office when it's
being sold on Amazon?
Is it elsewhere?
So we're now.
Lisa Woodruff (35:50):
We're now at 8,000 square feet, so 4,000
square feet of office and anevent space and then 4,000
square feet of warehouse.
Who's in here for five yearsand we fulfill our own Amazon
orders, so it'll still comethrough our warehouse.
Okay, okay, but you just havespace for it now.
Yeah, we have more shelving anda forklift.
Michelle Gauthier (36:07):
My husband's getting bigger and bigger Piles
of dollars built of dollarsbills he does in that yes, oh my
gosh, is there anything that Ihaven't asked you, that you want
to say, or plug, or anythingelse?
I could ask you anotherquestion.
Lisa Woodruff (36:22):
All I would say is you're doing great.
Like you are doing great,you're in the right place.
You're doing what you need tobe doing.
This is a great podcast tolisten to.
You are, you know, filling yourmind with possibilities and
proactive and positive things.
You are, you know, filling yourmind with possibilities and
proactive and positive things.
You are a woman of excellence.
Perfection does not exist.
Just take the next step.
You're uniquely gifted andcalled and created to do
(36:44):
something.
Just keep following that vision.
You can do it and we're here tohelp.
I love that.
Michelle Gauthier (36:51):
I love that.
Yes, I second everything youjust said.
I love it.
I feel like women always thinkthat we're lacking, not doing
enough, et cetera.
Actually, you're doing reallyfreaking great.
We just don't stop to thinkabout it enough and we should,
yeah Well, thank you so much forbeing on and thank you for the
impact you've had on myindividual life, plus all the
(37:13):
millions of other people whoyou've impacted by having the
nerve to go after and share yourunique gifts.
So thank you, thank you.
Thank you for listening to theOverwhelmed Working Woman
podcast.
If you want to learn more aboutmy work, head over to my
website at michellegothiercom.
(37:35):
See you next week.
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