August 2023: Jax is Back! Oregon and Washington Are Coming! Burnsie is Bitter!

The guys are back together and so much has changed since we last met: Oregon and Washington are coming to the Big Ten and we talk about how it went down, what it means for the league and what it means for the Gophers. We get Burnsie's thoughts on Big Ten Media Days and the night practice that was open to the public. We are also thrilled to announce that our friends at Jax Cafe are back as sponsors!

Episode Transcript

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Glenn Mason sent a long time agoat the University of Minnesota, you need
a Pair and a Spare. Yes, thank you, PJ. And welcome
to another expansion edition of the Pairand a Spare. It used to just
be for running backs. Now apparentlyit is for West Coast teams in the
Big Ten. Welcome to the Parentand Spare Podcast. I'm justin Guard from
Cafe, and We've got Chips Scogginsfrom the Star Tribune and Ryan Burns from

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Gopher Illustrated dot Com. And guesswhat, guys, it's August. It's
officially the season. Welcome back Jack'sCafe. Welcome Jack's Cafe. Chip has
been cutting deals and having lunches.Burnsy and I had not invited, you
know, Chip said, let mehandle it. Well, son of us
actually had to go cover the golferfootball team in this town. That's yeah.

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I went on a day when theywere not open. That's a great
Bill is yeah, Well he's alwaysthere, he's working. But Jack's Cafe
is back. Year two was thisyear three of our podcast? Or you're
four three? I can't even remember, but I know it's together. It
really does at your age. Yes, Year two of Jack's Cafe about to
celebrate their ninetieth, which is myfavorite thing about Jack's Cafes that it's been

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an institution for that long and ifyou visit them, like so many Parent
and Spare listeners have done over thelast year and change, and you see
Bill and he doesn't look too busy, make him take you around the place,
make him take you around and saythis is whereas yeah, well even
this was a laundry Matt, andthis what the building used to be around
it and what Jack's used to be. Because the first time we all went

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over there as a group, thatwas my favorite part, was just rolling
around. And he's, as heshould be, very proud of all the
different things that have happened there,including the little brown jug being in that
upstairs bar and all of those things. So we're fired up. We're thrilled
that we were fired up when Jack'swanted to jump in with us. Had
a great relationship with them. We'vehad some unbelievable meals there that we've shared
and we've talked about. But weare very excited that Jack's Cafes back and

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some cool promotions I think coming againthis year talking to build it. We
may have some tickets and parking passesthe games available that I think uh,
listeners of this podcast enjoyed last year. They that want it absolutely hopefully that
happens, and yeah that was coolthat upstairs bar there, and this all
the history of unbelievable. Yeah,unbelievable. I like walking by the old

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menus. I mean everything just feelsclassic, which is what you want in
a place that's ninety years And Ithink we all would say just good people
there, yes, really good people. Amazing patio. So for those of
you who want to earn some browniepoints before football starts here and you say,
hey, honey, let's go toa brunch, let's let's let me
take you to a nice spot.I know, yeah, go see Jack's
Cafe there in North As I waswalking out of the house today knowing I

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was going to see you guys,I'm Mike. I need we need to
get brunch back before things get wild. Because kids, kids had an outstanding
time at the brunch. I didn'tnecessarily be making sure they didn't like fall
into the trout brook well, fallinto that, or run into somebody or
you know, trip somebody in thebuffet line. Like so it's a little
stressful, but if you don't havekids and just want to enjoy a nice,
peaceful brunch, it's also good.And the food's good for the kids

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too. They loved it, sothank you, Bill, Thank you Jack's
calf j a xcafe dot com.Great spot before Gopher games as well before
and after really depending on kick times. But we're thrilled to have them back
as well. All right, andwe may have a We talked to Bill
about this, maybe alive taping there. I think I have the answer for
that. We need to talk aboutit. I think of air production off.

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Yeah, I gotta take your temperatureon it, but I think there's
I think there's a way to doit hips temperature yeah, chips. Yeah,
and they take cash too, right, so you don't have to give
him your credit card, which Iknow you don't like doing it over the
phone, but if I'm in person, I'll het you watch you keep my
eye on him. I don't know, don't you know. I told my
in laws about you over the weekto Joe ROSSI, Oh, yeah,
that's good. He's like, let'stell let's tell Joe what you won't do.

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Yeah, we're sitting there before apress conference and I just got Rossie,
I gotta tell you something. SoChips never bought anything online? What
what was it? He agree withme on probably charging your phone? Probably
no, he agreed, Yeah,he's one hundred percent guy. But no,
there was something else. What wasit? Something money related? And
I'd say we were talking about checks. Checks came out? Yeah, yeah,

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paying cast or checks. And I'mlike, ROSSI agree with me.
Pay with checks. Yeah, sobecause you can keep track of it.
Yeah, to my right, showROSSI Chip standing in the Danny Collens,
who's the safety's coach, who's alsomy age, thirty years old, And
I go, why the last time, as Danny was the last time he
wrote a check? He goes,I don't even know. Yeah, he
probably hasn't. I mean, peopleat your age like never had the need

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for checks. We only had theright check. Danny when he told him
I'd never or anything on Amazon,he stunned all of us. Chick,
yeah, not that you haven't doneit. That My favorite part about the
whole thing was I wouldn't even knowwhere to start, but you would just
be lost. Like that's why Iwas saying. My in laws who live
up in Pine County. You know, they always make fun of me for
being a city. And I said, well, why don't I put you
on like Fifth and Nicol it downtownand you just figure out how to get

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out of there uber light rail walk, Like yeah, if you don't know,
that's how I envisioned. You envisionedlike dropping my mother in law in
the middle of down to Miniapolis isgoing get to my house and she'd be
lost. She wouldn't even know whereto start. That's when I imagine you
getting on Amay, you guys aregonna make me order something off Amazon while
we're still I think we do itat the live podcast. I think that's

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what we do. We tell youwhat to order. We imagine the anxiety
when it says, hey, canyou use any of your credit card information?
We're gonna have to put our it'sgoing to be our credit card before
I do that, Yeah, becausehe doesn't want them in there in his
business, in his business. Lastplug before we start, the merch came.
The merch came, I've got mine, ye, both my parents independent
of me. I remember I hadto order a shirt from my mom.

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That's how the whole credit card thingcame up. And then like a day
later, my dad sent me apicture of him wearing his start Your Day
at one hundred percent podcasts. Butit shows you, number one, how
often my parents communicate despite living together, because just you know, jumped the
order together. Maybe save their sonon shipping. But it's the tag tweet
or the pin tweet still right rightthere. To get the got mulk shirts,

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which I always sold a few of, and then the start your Day
at one hundred percent shirts. Theylook awesome, they're great, mind fits
beautifully, so I'm excited. Imight be disappointed if when we walk up
to a game this year we don'tsee hundreds, hundreds of those hundreds let's
go. We're here every week foryou during the football season. Buy the
shirts, and we're trying to protectno buy the shirts. You'll like them.

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They're outstanding quality. They're very good, and it's very easy. Takes
you like thirty minutes, and youhave to be comfortable putting your credit card
info in, So if that's forsome of you might be an issue.
It's a problem staring at you check. They do ask for that because it's
twenty twenty three. That is howcommerce works. Mostly in twenty twenty three.
So if that's a hang up,maybe you know DM Chip and he'll

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figure out a way to get youa shirt where you can write him a
check or something, and then he'llgive the cash to our guy Sean who's
making them so right there in thepintweet at Pair and Spare Pod, that's
where you find everything about the showwhen we drop episodes, and then obviously
with our merch as well. Allright, we ready to roll. Yes,
let me redo this quote. Youwere at Big ten Football media days.
I was not. Chip was not. This is from the new Big

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Ten Commissioner Tony Pettiti July twenty sixth. This is from two four seven sports
dot com Burns it's the Penn Statesite. Your guy, Brad Crawford.
Big Ten Commissioner Tony Pettiti said Wednesdaythat he is quote not getting any direction
from athletic directors and other decision makersat league universities on further expansion, as

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the conference appears anxious to move forwardin twenty twenty four with the additions of
USC and UCLA. All the directionI'm getting from leadership is to focus on
USC and UCLA. We have alot of work to do there this message
will now self destroy inspector Gadget gogo. That was July twenty six.
How many weeks ago was that?Like? Less than two? Yeah,

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it's ten two and a half weeks. Well, welcome in. Yeah,
so that didn't age. Well,it's been a wild week or so.
But Oregon and Washington we talked aboutit. Remember when USC and UCLA came
a couple of years ago and wewere sitting in the Indie Delta Lounge and
we were thinking, I think Itried to sell you it was going to
be Oregon Washington back then we knew. Right, It's like it only makes

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sense. It's just a matter ofwhen. And the matter of when would
be when Colorado leaves for the Bigtwelve and in the pac twelve wants to
do streaming only for like twenty millionbucks and all the bigger schools say,
yeah, we're not doing that.We have to go to the Big ten.
So what do we think? Firstreactions before how we got here?
Um, not surprised, but thatexpansion happened again. But surprised it how

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fast that thing moved last week,it was like it just imploded. The
followed on Twitter, It's like itwas incredible. PAC Twins did, No,
it's it's life. No it's dead, No, it's alive. And
then you know, it was thatFriday morning there was the optimism from the
national reporters. Yeah for about Idon't know. They must have talked with
the PAC twelve commissioner and he's like, yeah, we're gonna get this done.

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So they obviously communicate that, andthen it just really imploded. It
is just amazing though, and we'veknown it's not like any great thing,
but just how powerful TV executives areand running college sports. I mean they're
running it. I mean they don'tcare about loyalty, geography, No,
they care about brand names, biggames, money, that's it, and

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making money and the schools care aboutmoney. I thought that, I thought
the most interesting thing of the week. Oh, one of the most interesting
quotes was from the Florida State presentto their trustees, which we got to
talk about potentially even getting that expansion. Yeah, well that that might be
the next shoe, but him sayingthat that they stand to make thirty million
annually less um than schools at theBig ten, and he basically said because

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of their revenue distribution. He basicallycame out and said, in so many
words, we're more important in WakeForest and NC State. Better fix this.
Yeah, right, think about lookingat trying to get private money in
to potentially buy Florida State. Broughtyou by JP Chase. Incredible. I
mean, it was an incredible lastweek. It's been an incredible two weeks

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of just seeing this thing to yourpoint. At Big ten media days,
there was some rumblings there wasn't alot, and then just the way it
unfolded towards the tail end of lastweek where essentially now it's what I mean,
don't mean eighteen just when you thinkabout eighteen schools in a conference is

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weird. Yeah, but wait tillit's twenty. Well, it's gonna be
twenty because to me, that makesmore sense than eighteen because you can do
the uh you take ten, makethem take take ten, make them the
Big ten have the two pods,and wouldn't you have four pods? You
could have semifinals. Then it's likeyou could play your division. Yes,
your division winners playing the semifinals,but they're gonna have to do it just

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makes more sense than eighteen. Imean, if you're eighteen, just go
to twenty right now, and thenyou could whether it's what's more appealing Stanford
cow or Clemson, Clemson or NorthCarolina. Yeah, it's Notre Dame finally
gonna stick by their gun. SeeI think, well, it all comes
down to what NBC tells them.Yeah, but I think the bigger that
conferences get in a weird way.I don't think Notre Dame has to do

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anything because I think they well,unless they can't get games that it's not
it's not even about the money forthem, it's can't do they have enough
people that will play them because theyhave open dates. How much does the
expand a playoff plane to that they'rethinking though too, that they have an
avenue Yeah, probably a lot.Yeah. Now, but the only issue
for them is they are not Theywill never host get a top four seed.

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Yeah, because you have to wina conference, yes, and so
they'll never host writers. Yeah.No, they could host, but they
would never be able to get abuy. They'd have to be they'd have
to be the fifth seed hosting thetwelve or whatever it was. But that
might all change now, who knows. I mean, because eventually, if
these big conferences just keep adding teamsand this is where the PAC twelve is
in the meat grinder. Like intwo or three years, the Big twelve,

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the Big ten, the SEC cango, yeah, we don't need
automatic qualifiers if you win a conference, like, we don't need that anymore.
Yeah, like what your conference isdead, we don't need you,
like, we'll just do we'll justwe'll just do it by the rankings.
And that's how we'll do it.When you you know, if we take
the Big ten commit go back toyour original point. If we take the
Big ten commissioner at his word,like there was no direction from Presidence about
adding anyone other than USC UCLA.How much do you think the fact that

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they were able to get Oregon andWashington for basically half of the full share
right moved the needle for the presidents. Well, my question would be what
was that number before it got upto that? Yeah, because clearly they
Wednesday again that's when this all thisstarted to kind of come the steam really
started to rise. But then Oregonand Washington and we're like, h well,

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maybe what did the Big ten haveto do? Was was that originally
at thirty three percent? Was ita third? That it was at a
fourth? Well, I don't thinkOregon and had any leverage. So I
don't know really because you here abig ten it's like, all right,
we'll just sit still then, andthey're like, okay, we'll take happen.
You know, It's like it's notlike they had any leverage. Well
what it's from what I've heard andread, it sounds like, yes,
that was part of it. Becausewhen everybody went to bed Thursday night,

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the media deal from the PAC twelvehit all this is what we think it's
gonna be. It's gonna be liketwenty million plus and then if we get
more subscribers, it could go upto this, it could go up to
that. It was. It wasallegedly gonna be on like Apple TV or
something Apple streaming. I think itwas that was there going to be the
base and if they were able toget like one point seven million subscribers,
which doesn't seem unreasonable, they weregoing to be in the thirty million ish

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ballpark, ye and all told.If they got fifty million, then they're
all making you know a lot more. But obviously these schools. But what
I think happened was overnight Fox essentiallysaid because one of the concerns obviously is
travel costs. Yeah, for Oregonand Washington, and they're saying, this
is a lot of money to sendour teams all over the country to do
this. And from what everything I'vebeen listening to the last couple days from

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the national people's like Fox just said, well, we'll handle that. Just
get in the league, we'll handlethat for a while. You're gonna be
able to make more money now,but we'll we'll handle the So what whether
that went from thirty to forty whateverit was, but once I think Oregon
was the first domino that basically saidwe'll do it. Which that's the greatest
picture I've ever seen. The Oregonchair of the Board of Trustees. He's

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trying to get out of a bunker. He's trying to get a sand save
with his AirPods in. I mean, that's it's because people are, like
you mentioned the speed of this,and this goes all the way and if
we're bouncing around, it's why wouldn'twe It's because this whole thing is bounced
around the fact that when Kevin Warren, who gets a lot of credit for
this, by the way, forkeeping the Big ten in a power spot

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starting a year ago with the USCin Ucla. All the work had already
been done on Oregon and Washington,like when they had all that, So
it's not like they had to cramfor a test. They just had to
go to the file and go,Okay, PAC twelve is clearly dying.
The Big Twelve's about to take theseteams. Colorado's already gone, what do
we what do we remember about Oregonand Washington that we should know? And
then you just go grab the fileright like an old game plan. You

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look at it and go all right, this looks pretty good. This is
what we're going to offer him,And so they could move quickly, which
they obviously did because they had alreadydone the quote unquote due diligence. Well,
I think it even started back atBig ten Meds when you saw the
ACC book their TV deal with oneof Chip's favorite TV channels, the CW.
Yeah, like you know, whenyou're going to be broadcasting live events

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for sports, like a college footballgame between Boston College and Syracuse is going
to be on the CW. Yeah, because I had seen that being floated.
Is that was at one time,I think six months ago potentially where
the PAC twelve was going to puttheir games, and if the CW passes
you up for the ACC got problems, you have problems now. I think
I want to get your guys' viewpointon the local anger here in Minnesota because

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I also to on the list.I think if you know, there's you
know, not an outlandish possibility,like you look at somebody like Washington State
and Oregon State right now. Imean, if if the Big ten would
have been imploding, I think there'sa realistic chance that Minnesota could have been
where those two teams are right now. Yeah, where you're looking for a
home and you're not exactly sure whatyou would have been doing. Yeah.

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Ralph Russol the ap Rior, hewrote Calum today, Um, it was
interesting. He's like his point was, these TV executives they care about the
big names, right, you know, they care about Oregon in Washington.
They don't care about organ State,Washington State. He said, at what
point he raised this point, it'sit's it's worth talking about. It's like,
at what point do the TV executivessay, are we giving all this

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money for Badu? Right? Likewe just want we just want we want
ten of them, Yeah, eightof them. Do you think that would
eventually to football breaking off and thenevery then the rest of the sports just
go back and have the more traditionalbottle model and you just you just have
a football only organization or whatever youcall it. I've heard it floated.
I don't think. I mean,i'd like to say, I don't think

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we're there imminently, but it's notten years the way that Yeah, what's
imminently five ten in our lifetime?Well, look about I led my Calum
about this Sunday. It's like goback ancient years ago, two years ago
when we had the alliance between thePAC twelve, Yeah, which we all
knew it was the time we talkedabout it on this podcast. Just man,

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what in the world is Yeah?That was that was two years ago.
I don't know. And then soto say we know what's going to
happen five years from now the waythis thing changes. If TV executives want
that, rob, are we gonnaget it eventually? Yeah? I went
the big ten media deal up.It's twenty year. It's like twenty nine.
I thought it was a seven year. When that's when Oregon Washington will

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get the full share and the nextone right right when they Yeah, when
they're part of it officially, soyou'll probably be five years or so.
Yeah, you us see, andUCLA came in at the full share,
right, I think so. Ibelieve because they were highly leveraged. That's
why they have to get the newone. Yeah. Yeah, Los Angeles
and the whole bit with it.So well, did you also see now
that the football schedules that were releasedin June completely torn up, thrown apart

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pretty much they're coming in on thewebside anymore. We well, we had
the opponents, we didn't know whenthey were playing them, and now that's
all just thrown out. Yeah,so I don't know if we're going to
pass. We saw our guy,Scott Doctorman from the Athletic I tried.
I tried to read it. It'sjust too confusing. Well, essentially,
the Minnesota angle would be I thinkthey would lose Nebraska off next year's schedule,

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and he put Oregon on. Yeahat Oregon, which when you have
five so you'd have Ohio, State, Michigan and Oregon on the schedule next
year at which, by the way, someone who just traveled to the Pacific
Northwest for the first time in hisentire life. Yeah, I was literally
in Oregon and Washington the day thatit all broke, staring at it.
It's beautiful out there. It isnice, and that's um. I'm excited

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to cover a game in either Seattleor Intube. That's where I'm sort of
torn on this whole thing because andwe said all long, I think we're
all agree like, it's gonna befun to go to cover game at USC
if you're if you're a go forFantas's gonna be fun for them to make
these new trips versus going to Purdueor Northwesternford the time. But you know,
I graduate from Missouri. They don'tplay Kansas anymore, which is,

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you know, just mind blowing thatthese rivals don't play church because they're in
different conference. Now. I can'timagine if you're an Oregon organ State those
two teams not playing. Yeah,and they've all said things publicly about we're
very committed and we're very we wantand we'll see Washington Washington State, same
deal. Yeah. I've been listeningto a lot of my friends out on
KJR radio in Seattle because but yes, that's the because that's another thing we

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can talk about it, like there'speople that hate how this is, yeah,
and I understand that, but it'salso reality. So it's like,
yeah, we got to move onfrom our feelings here and operate in this.
Pete and Jerry and the great stocktrader go for former goal for football
player. He always says, youcan't trade the markets you want. You
gotta trade the markets you have.You take the info that you have in

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front of you and you make thebest of it. And that's where it's
good to be in the Big tenfor now. I mean, like we
say, in five years it couldchange, but for now, it's good
to be in the Big ten becauseyou don't have to worry about a league
coming in and grabbing you. You'regoing in to essentially kill the Pac twelve,
yeah, and grab essentially any teamsthat you want to take. In
his heart, I mean, Ithink all kind of have the romantic view

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of college sports and like me grownup in South and SEC and how's regional
and that was you know, ourthing, and Big ten had the Midwest,
and so I do miss that.I do miss um. You know,
if you're had some rivalries that goaway, like the Missouri Kansas one,
that's yeah, but you survived butyeah, we're not gonna stop watching
the sport right to this, youknow, you know that things involved,

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We're still gonna watch it. Youmay grumble about it, not like it,
but I kind of look at aslike it's happening whether you like it
or not. So if you lovethe sport, you're still gonna find enjoyment
out of it. So if you'reWashington State or Oregan State, what in
the world that you do now?Because Arizona, Arizona State in Utah to
the Big twelve along with Colorado.You got Oregon and Washington to the Big
ten. If I do I'm doyou go independent? That's kind of the

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betting money because they have the money, they people want to play them.
Um yeah, Like if I'm OregonState in Washington State, I'd probably joined
the Mountain West. I think thatthere's a mountains now going to become the
old Whack. Yeah, I meanyou look at this all out of whacking.
Who knows. Yeah, that's butyou know they're paying their football coach

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Jonathan Smith by the way, OrganState might win the Pac Twelve this year,
Like they've got a pretty good team. Yeah, and they just signed
him to a new like thirty milliondollar contract and everybody's and they're they're redoing
their stadium and everybody's going where arethey How's how's that going to work?
Now? So I mean, tome, PAC twelve's dead. Big twelve
is gonna, you know, bea beast. But what do you think

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happens to the ACC? That's thequestion, because who's higher up in the
pecking world, it's really Big twelveor the ACC, or who's leveraged to
continue to prosper because it's clearly theSEC in the big tim would say Big
Big twelve because they're adding and they'rethey're solidifying who they are to a SEC,

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they got the you know, theirmarquee school saying we want out,
mostly because they're stuck in a reallylong term media rights like ten years or
something. Yeah, it's still gotlike a decade left that's there. But
where they're protected in a way.Talking about Florida State, is it costs
like hundreds of millions of dollars toleave it at this point, or it
costs a lot of money to leaveit. And if you don't have the

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money to leave it, a lotof presidents aren't willing to just write a
check OHI it coust what fifty millionto leave or let's just say it's around
number like they don't want to dothat. Yeah. So I mean the
ACC, I think is just gonnabe kind of what it is, and
the Big twelve theoretically could grow intothat third power Conference. I guess the
third one it gets to twenty Probablyhow much of your view is staying because
I mentioned the CW can go fromwatching Sabrina the Teenage which underrated show just

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Sarah Hughes versus Boston College and comeback and watch Dawson's Creek. That's a
big part of it. I mean, and they don't have a ton after
I mean, okay, let's ACC. You've got obviously, you know,
Florida State, Clemson, Miami.I mean there's brands, North Carolina is
good. Yeah, Like who's afterthat? Virginia Tach I mean, go

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down the list of team or I'mjust like, all right, does it
move the needle? That not?Really? Well, that's how much do
I mean? I gotta imagine oncethey the big thing gets the four West
Coast teams, Like for football,you're gonna have early two thirty seven o'clock
and after dark all day, butyou have the four pilots and nets.
You gotta pace yourself on the IPA. Yeah, no, you gotta start

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your day at like two hundred percentand have a mid day amount of hazies.
They are out in the Northwest.You guys are you won't make it
to a single Washington, Minnesota orMinnesota game because you two, we're gonna
be recovering too much. No afterthat, man, but it'll be a
late kick though. So we gotit's not my first time in Oregon.
We had a night game in Corvallis. I was fine. They still have

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PTSD from the chainsaw noises from thatstate was a yeah, that was That
was a tough one. Can't believeyou're gonna be an IPA drink. I'm
gonna order for Amazon. You're gonnaorder an ipa. We're gonna do it
together and I have nothing to grow, but both have no where to grow.
So exactly, I'm well rounded.When I said, we were recording,
and people have been asking us torecord for a while, which we

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appreciate people. I think a questionI got consistently is is this new Big
ten the way it's going to be? And we don't really even know how
it's going to be. It's notfully formed yet. We don't know if
they're going to add a couple ofmore teams, have pods, have divisions,
whatever, But is adding a coupleof big brands two teams that have
been in the College Football Playoff recently, Oregon and Washington. What's the read

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on Is something like this good fora program like Minnesota? I assume they
mean competitive competitively or money wise?Money Wise, we know the answer.
Yeah, it keeps you healthy,it keeps you vibrant, all of those
things. Yeah. You know,as I saw Pete Famile, he because
the things didn't get buttoned up completelybefore Kevin Warren left yep, that he

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speculated that the projection is gonna beseventy million to start with yep, per
per school ProTeam. I mean,I know they're toxic. I think the
Minnesota's right at upper forty right now. Yeah, that sounds right. And
getting an extra twenty so yeah,manny wise, yes, competitively doesn't make
it easier. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, how can you sit here

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and say you're gonna add Oregon toWashington? It's gonna get easier, right?
I mean? So, um,you know with with them elimited with
the Big Ten eliminate divisions, they'retaking the top two teams. You're adding
two really good teams or programs thathave had success. Makes it worth challenging.
I don't think there's any way youcan say it doesn't. Two very
competitive programs obviously, like you mentioned, I mean two teams that are gonna

(25:33):
be ranked. I don't know whereare the rank probably top twenty for twenty
twenty three usually yeah, right aroundthere. And if we're gonna get to
see Bucky Irving the revenge game forboth sides, the shirts ROSSI versus Sandford
two point zer, you'll want you'llwant to print the shirts. But I
also, anybody can find a storylinenobody cares about. It's purtency, go
ahead and the worst, the absolutelywelcome back. What Here's no. The

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easy answer is no, But I'dalso say, okay, I don't think
they're in the same tier as likean Ohio State in Michigan. They're probably
in a tier just below to mePenn State. It also I'm trying to
figure out like when when people ask, is it good for them to like
win the Big Ten? No,yeah, it's it mean, But for
sixty years. It hasn't been goodfor them to win the Big Ten.

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They lost. I think everybody inthe West is losers and all of this
because it was a nice little opportunityto represent your side in the Big Ten
championship game and oftentimes if you lostthat game, you were probably going to
the Rose Bowl. So now thatwe know that the Rose Bowl is completely
non existent, like to me,I think, okay, how do they
how does all these other teams bestposition themselves for one day to have that
magic your your new magical season isyou're going to be one of the twelve

(26:45):
teams in the playoff. Right.This is for a lot of teams.
It's not just to win your championship. There's twenty teams in all these leagues.
Now it's gonna be hard. Yeah, And you don't have a division
where oh we can you know,you know, go through the ACC Coastal
and then get hot against Clemson andhang a banner Like that's just not how
it's going to be anymore. Socan you position yourself to be a potential

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playoff team? I think the newRose Bowl in a sense is you get
a playoff game somewhere and for thesenorthern schools, it's you get to host
a playoff games sometime, is thego first chance? Is better or worse
to do that than they were beforeOregon and Washington, I'd say maybe a
little bit worse, but not likeI don't think much change, Yeah,
I don't think the way. Yeah, So when when the Rose Bowl effectively

(27:30):
went away, because what's what everybody'sbeen chasing forever in the Big Ten?
Right now that's gone. That's essentiallygone. Now they might be able to
find ways where a Big Ten teamthat's their semi final or whatever quarterfinal,
however the whole damn thing works.But I just think it kind of is
what it is for all these teams, and you get to me, you
get more intriguing matchups on a weekby week basis, you get you know,

(27:51):
different road trips out of the deal. You get to see your team
against some of these quote unquote powerprograms. So I'm actually all for it.
Yeah. So if you were afan, would you rather I think
we've already talked about this, butwould you rather go to Oregon or Washington
for a game or would you rathergo to Purdue Northwestern? Yeah? I
mean, because ives are you've donethat before or you know you Yeah,

(28:15):
anytime it's something new and the brand, and I think that's gonna be great
for interest and people want to gosee something they haven't seen before a program.
So I think that part of thebrand attract you bring it in Nike
and you know, um, sothat that's gonna you know, make it
better. Um refreshed me. Sothe way the scheduling is gonna if I

(28:36):
remember correctly, they got to youprotected schools, but then you were going
to play every school home and awaywithin a four year period, right correct.
Yeah, obviously that's not gonna beable to work again because we had
two more schools. I'm not don'tasking. The math doctor seem to think
that it could. Yeah, andI trust him. He to know the
best beat writer in the country thator for like Big ten in general.

(28:56):
Yeah, that dude knows everything.I love that guy. But he's saying
the model still work according to him, and he showed his work. He
took a picture of like all hishandwritten scribbles and all these things, and
yeah, he's I mean, Itried my best to read it, and
I'm like, man, I amso confused. Just tell just have Dave
Revson, tell me when they're playingwho they're playing, and get in so

(29:18):
the graphics can they can put outan pelographic And I don't need to I
don't need to know how it happens. I just know that it can.
I think I think it's gonna beum like that part of like go play
at Oregon. That's gonna be afun trip. I totally. Well,
here's the other thing. If theydo go to pods, because I always
say you gotta give I'm skeptical onpods still happening. What do you how
so just in terms of say theydo add two more and you're twenty,

(29:40):
and then you got five in apod, you play those other four teams
and you rotate. I just thinkthe indications we've all seen, even back
when Oregon and Washington weren't here,is they don't want to do divisions.
They don't want to do that anymore. So, but how do they break
them up? They don't break themup. It's just it's just eighteen or
twenty teams straight. Because my wholething too is you have to you have

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to give the illusion, and that'swhat we've had since divisions. You have
to give the illusion that everybody isplaying for you're in the mix. Yes,
like so even if it is you'regoing to win the Midwest Pod and
represent I don't even Well, that'swhy I wonder in the semis for example,
think about how okay, so ifyou if you had twenty teams,

(30:21):
top two teams go play in theBig Ten Championship. Imagine if you had
races to win one of those podsyou have a semi final. Imagine what
that money that would make those twoteams go to the championship game in the
rose Bow or wherever they do it. Yeah, that's why I think they
do it. I do too.That's the only reason I think it'd be
champion money maker. You think ninenine, or you think four, five,
four or five? I mean nineand nine. I think I think

(30:45):
nine and nine would be fine.But if they add two more then four
or five, then you'd have aplayoff within a playoff. If you have
a semifinal, you got drama,baby, you got and you keep more
fan bases. I mean, youshouldn't need this to be excited about college
football, but we've seen it withbaseball. You keep expanding playoffs, you
get bored faces. Excited. Yeah, So if you have you know,

(31:06):
that second or third team in theMidwest Division that a game or two out,
they're like, well, you know, we're still in a mixtape kind
of win us and going to thesemifinals. I just think that draw and
adding a different playoff game a semifinal, would be so financially lucrative. Well,
you gotta figure out where they becausethey all want to make more money.
Yeah. Where you're gonna make moremoney, you gotta have more games.

(31:27):
I mean they're gonna be playing thathave two semifinals on you do semifinal
Saturday. Do that somewhere. Imean, shoot, you could do that
in one spot if you want itto. You can do that in Indie
and then the two teams that winit ten days later go play the Big
ten title game in the Rose Bowl. Of course, this is a start.
People are cutting more in their lunchright now. I'm going these guys
have lost their minds. Yes,this is what happens. It's it's twenty

(31:48):
twenty three, Washington is going toplay Rutgers in the Big Ten's In tennis,
so many flights you have to takefrom Piscataway to get to Eugene.
Oh you're connecting here, Chicago,Yeah, Dallas. I'm not who's the
official travel partner the Big Ten?Is it Orbits, Travelosity or Expedia.
Let's just go and Expedia for saleat this point. Yeah, you want

(32:09):
to do Eugene to Piscataway, We'lldo that. You guys talk about I
saw somebody tweeted out that everybody's beendoing these distance and travels and how much
time, and it's gonna be quickerfor those teams to go to London would
beat the fly across country. SoI by the way, and this is
a football thing. This is youknow, all these are all football decisions.
I could see in the non revsports just potentially just doing regional stuff.

(32:30):
That's why I wonder that, like, you know, like, okay,
when the Gophers go to the WestCoast, they're gonna play let's say
baseball. Ye, they're gonna goout there. They're gonna play us there,
and they may go up and playWashington organ. I mean, teams
are gonna do that. But Isaw it maybe maybe a doctor in the
story, But is au athletic storywhere the ads are even talking about picking

(32:52):
up other programs different not on theprograms, but other school That's what I'm
sharing, sharing a charter flight,which makes sense. I mean when when
basketball teams, like when, forexample, when the Patinos played in Puerto
Rico, Gophers in Louisville, Minnesota, flew down to Louisville, grabbed them
and then went down. You mightsee more of that. Like sharing the
cost, I think it makes sense. Yeah, all right here the cheapest

(33:15):
on Expedia. Now this is I'mgonna try to get you in. You
can't really get there same day Eugene. I just went Eugene to Newark.
There's there's gonna have to be ared eye involved here. Well, hold
on, let me do this morningflight departure time in Eugene, Hippy,
have you ever booked a flight online? Yes, a time. His company's
credit cards involved there. He doesn'tmind Glenn Taylor's money. Okay, all

(33:38):
right, So so this isn't toobad if you want to go Eugene to
Newark and still get there at sevenfifteen pm to have a nice dinner.
And Newark is pretty close to Piscatawayonly one stop. It's a three hour
layover in Dallas. You fly American. To tell you m Eugene. Let's

(33:59):
get the whole Ituner are here,and that's the thing. Five thirty eight
in the morning, you fly fromMilan sweet Field in Eugene three forty six
down to Dallas Fort Worth, sitthere for three hours, get on a
two forty three flight into Newark LibertyInternational seven fifty And this is the thing.
This is the thing. This iswhat softball, baseball, tennis.

(34:21):
Yeah, this is what they're doing. They're not they're not flying charter like
football and basketball Eugene. They mightjust want to drive to Portland and fly
get get a few better options there. But yeah, it's gonna be.
That's why I do wonder eventually ifyou're just gonna see football breakaway and do
their thing and then these the othersports go back to more regional or they
or they division the hell out ofit for the nine revs. And say,

(34:43):
you're playing all these teams, you'replaying all these teams, We're not
like I mean, I joked aboutyou know, Oregon and Rutgers playing tennis,
Like, we're not gonna do that. You might play in the Big
Ten tournament, which will be inChicago somewhere so we can all get there.
But we're not doing it. Thingslike you would make go through all
this US to play a tennis match, right, Like, what what is
the return on investment there? Notvery good? Not very good. But

(35:07):
to the football point, are youI mean someone who covers it like you
guys, I'm not really gonna missyou know, if it's from the Minnesota
point of it, I say,you got Wisconsin and Iowa protected every year?
Okay, well they rotate through thenext Agree as long as you don't,
I'm not gonna miss. Yeah,it's and I can't see a world
where they really do. I stillthink they'll have those two protected like that.

(35:29):
I would throw a fit. Yeah, like that, Um, that
would be. But I'm okay withnot going to bryan Field or Illinois or
Northwestern or Maryland or Rutgers. Agreeevery I mean just gratatum. Let's be
honest. If you're a Gopher fan, you have sentimental emotional attachment to two
games, maybe three if we counta little Brown jug Yeah, but two

(35:52):
and a half right? Other thanthat does does the Gopher fans have sentimental
value attachment to Northwestern? I wouldsay if you look at the attendance numbers
from any of those games the lastten or fifteen years, even when the
team has been good, No,they do not. They don't have it,
so they don't have sentimental value.So if you add those other teams
where it's exciting and something new,I think it's fine. But you cannot

(36:15):
lose your traditional rivals and I don'tthink they will, and that those are
marquee games that you know we're goingto get big TV ratings. That's what
this is about, big TV ratings. Play the teams you have to play,
which for the Gophers of the IowaWisconsin, and then play everybody like
they were trying to do once everyother year and visit a campus once like
that. That still is doable.The last thing I'd say is I wonder

(36:38):
if if and when we do getto twenty in the Big Ten, if
for football scheduling, instead of threenon conference you go to two and then
you add an extra conference game.It again, So right now you figured
it out, Chip, I'm sayit again slowly for my Tennessee. So
when you get to twenty, yeah, when you get that, if they

(36:59):
want to try to play more conferencegames, and to your point, if
they're gonna be playing fifteen something games, a year. Potentially, you take
out a non conference game and youjust add a you're still playing twelve regular
season games, you just play ten. Conference coach is gonna go for that
or they go They're gonna say becausethey want yeah, are you gonna do
the ship? Do you want youreight million dollars a year contracts that Now

(37:19):
coaches are making route the SEC CHIPSteams and being like, well as the
SEC, you're gonna stop playing therandom FCS team in the middle of November.
That's the thing. Remember when conferenceswere going to nine, what a
coaches like, Oh, yeah,we don't play I wonder if ten is
coming down the pipeline probably, andI just I love I think no matter
what they have to especially now thatthey're basically the PAC twelve as well,

(37:42):
you just we love you. LucasOil. The Big ten title game is
at the Rose Bowl. We're justdoing it sorry because we got that still
has to mean something for the Ifyou want to talk about tradition, it's
not gonna be New Year's Day,It's probably not gonna be a parade.
You're not gonna get the sunset inthe third quarter. I mean it'll be
it'll be part of the playoff everyyear. Two right, Yes, so
I think that's the way you makesure that it still has some type of

(38:04):
tie to your league. Yeah,can you do that? I guess I
would think I would think the roseball because you have so many you have
the Marky Pac twelve teams under nowyou know, I mean, so that
could still I don't know, that'sthat's what that would be my suggestion.
And you've got the money to doit, like, yeah, you might
have to miss a couple more daysof class, but it's um, it's
still I would still do it.I would still do it. Anything else

(38:28):
we want to cover on Oregon andWashington, you won't go because it'll be
the late kick. You'll miss yourdeadline. I'm going for that. Oh
you're going for that one. Okay, funny, weird. Yeah, I
wouldn't go to the guaranteed right ball. Wouldn't go to the guaranteed rate ball.
And yeah, you weren't there.And Christ we have a website.
We can I can write for theweb. I didn't hear that when we
were at Chase Field playing would weplay West Virginia, West Virginia. I

(38:50):
never want to watch another of themin a baseball field. Ever, again,
no, that's nothing. Let's openup guaranteed rate field to watch a
downpour come in twice five minutes beforethe game and then wonder why the turf
And there's no fans into stands atthose games. Well, and you got
married during the Pinstripe Bowl. You'llnever get that back. Even think about
this time last year. We werelike end of September, you guys are

(39:12):
rasing me because you're like, well, they're going to the Rose Bowl's not
it's not our fault that they can'tbeat Perdue, all right, because we
had that thing locked up. Icould never run the ball against Jeff Browns
at that point I wanted I hadone more thing I wanted to. Oh,
by the way, just put thisin your calendar now and just given
we'll do maybe a prediction episode beforewe start. But Gophers, most people
think, are gonna be like sevento five, eight and four to nine

(39:32):
and three somewhere in there. Theywill be going to the Las Vegas Bowl.
Just remember that. I think itwill be I think the two that
are most likely our Las Vegas orNashville, yea, which I mean know
Nashville hates them for some reason.I don't know what why. Chip can't
make a couple of calls. Hey, like, I've been to what three
Music City Bowls? So what doyou do chif I want you to know
if it is Nashville, Guards andI are going to expect to meet your

(39:55):
entire extended family. Oh yeah,we want. It's gonna be like Beverly
Hill Bill he's come down. We'regonna we will drive to this. That
show probably do you do? Youdo it not? I doubt it.
No, he's just heard to us. Yeah, he's just being love it.
I've never watched it. Great.I would say we have to go
out early. Is that the goodnight John Boy? Like they go down?

(40:15):
I have no idea. Yeah,let's that'll probably be edited out.
Um, how far is Nashville fromwhere you grew up? Two hours?
We can make others. We canmake a little day trip to the Descoggin's
hometown back. Well, you knowwhat, it'd be a good story,
be good content, as everybody likesto say. But I just think we're
going to Vegas, so just bookingthat. One's before Christmas, by the

(40:37):
way, so it doesn't even involveThat's what they're doing now with TV for
Christmas, like December twenty second ortwenty third. Do you guys not cover
the big ten? I mean,you got they're gonna go from plan So
they're gonna go from early signing dayto a bowl game. Interesting, he's
already looking recruited. December is goingto be a disaster, the Las Vegas
Bowl. Yeah, like the likethe nice little like three day break.

(41:00):
I get over Christmas before I haveto travel out, or normally I have
to travel out right after. Butthat first twenty days of December with recruiting,
it's just December twenty third, fourthirty Pacific time, kickoff, six
thirty Central. You won't miss yourdeadline this week. Fly back on Christmas
Eve, look at that, orjust take the Red Eye, take them
go midnight, midnight playing out ofVegas. Is that what you're doing?

(41:22):
I mean, if I fly backwith the team, because I was already
figuring out flighty yothetical Christmas by howmany teams there are, all the other
Bulls, the record they're going tobe in and the fact that they've been
and they've been in Nashville hates usfor some reason, Like even the former
CEO of the Guaranteed Right Ball.When I talked to him, Mike Neely,

(41:43):
who is now I think doing pickleball or something. He left the
bull, so I have no problemsaying this. When I was talking to
him, I'm like, he's like, yeah, weren't you guys just in
Nashville. I'm like, in twothousand and three and he's like, it's
been that long. I said yeah. He goes, oh, they got
a board member that's basically yeah,we just had him. And I'm like,
well, that board member needs tobe out. I was eleven years
old, which is you know,the thing that he was stunned because they

(42:04):
couldn't believe Minnesota fell to them.He was thrilled. He's like, they
should be in Nashville, but theydidn't you guys just go there? I
said, no, we haven't beenthere in literally eighteen years. And I
was talking to some Gopher folks aboutthis last week, which is which is
weird because this fan base has shownit they will travel in recent years and
now they will yes, absolutely thinkabout that Colorado game. Well, think

(42:27):
of North Carolina this year. Theamount of people who have said they are
going, yeah, and Colorado wasgreat It started with Orlando, Yeah,
you know, going to the CitrusBowl, and then obviously Tampa was off
the charts because that was a greatthat was a great season, and everybody'd
already planned on going to the RoseBowl, so they were ready to go
with Tampa. Yeah. No,that even the Gophers don't travel thing is
over and they're all my age.It's a weird narrative that has not gone

(42:47):
away. I don't know why becausepeople don't cover it like the Parents Spare
podcast that's why we're here, oreven my age there. We're starting to
get adult money now and so youcan try to say, hey, honey,
you want to go to this warmdestination. Yes, and they're like,
yeah, let's do it. Andyou've got a generation of people your
age that actually tailgated at Hunting theBank Stadium and the team was actually a
regular college environment, and there's moreattachment to the program now than correct.

(43:12):
Correct. Um, Let's pause quicklyand talk about our friends at Jack's Cafe.
They are back for a second year, which we are thrilled about.
I'm at Jackscafe dot com right now. You forget how good this food is
just looking at it like there goesto jumbo shrimp. There goes to serlin
with some broccoli and some mushrooms.I think they cycle a pork chop through
here. There's the scallops, whichchipper you've gotten before. But whether it's

(43:34):
a date night, whether it's ananniversary, if you've got a rehearsal dinner,
or a big party, Jacks cando all of it for you.
I'm looking at a wedding picture rightnow. I've never seen a couple looks
so happy. There's some shrimp cocktail. There's the bar, Jackscafe dot com,
Jaxcafe dot com. There's the patiothat burns. He always talks about.
It's just a wonderful place really forany occasion. They've got Sunday brunch
as well, and we absolutely loveour times at Jack's. Yeah, we've

(43:58):
all done the brunch. Got twothumb up from me, my wife,
kids, when we had with us, my wife and I went there for
a date night. I got thesteak incredible. And here's what I would
also say, my wife got theWalleye. I'm a Walleye snob. Yeah,
I hate ordering Walleye. I haven'tcooked at myself because I don't think
people don't do it justice. Theirwallet was tremendous. I looked at her,
I took a bite and I said, Okay, you're gonna have to

(44:19):
cut me about half of that andput it out of this play right now.
Yeah. I mean everything that Ihave ever eaten there has been tremendous.
Yeah. Service is awesome. They'vegot the matchbooks. I was just
in the drawer today getting the pen. I'm like, hey, Guard family,
there's our matchbooks. It's just afirst class every step of the way,
and we're thrilled it there back withus for season two. So help
those that help us, and we'rehelping you by letting you know if you
don't that Jack's Cafe is a wonderfulspot for any occasion. And it's it's,

(44:42):
you know, a couple of milesfrom campus and so Chip's favorite part,
adequate free or a lot of parking. I love that. If you're
you know, my northeast, it'simpossible to find to eat a circle of
block once. If I can't findit, it's over grilled cheese baby at
home. What that should be theirnew tagline, Jack's Cafe, it ain't

(45:05):
grilled cheese baby. Although I wonderif they have grilled cheese on the menu,
I bet they basic. I betthey could. They could figure it
out, all right, Jack's Cafedot com jax Cafe dot com. So
burns he mentioned a chip. Ithink it took a little bit of a
cheap shot of both of us thathe's the only one that covers the gophers
on this podcast, which in fallCamp, I plead guilty. Well,
Chips too busy at home with histomato juice butter bread old on scale of

(45:30):
one to ten, one being verylightly toasted, tenably being midnight black.
Um, what are you doing onyour grilled cheese? Probably six or seven?
Okay, good man? Does thattranslate to smores? Marshmallows? How
do you like your smore marsh golden? All golden? Of the patients?
Yeah, I'm I'm a pro.I burned the hell out of them.

(45:53):
No, like my grilled cheese andmy smores are just burn burnt. If
I I'm going to the family cabinthis weekend, I will look like one
of the Olympic torch bearers, youknow, running off the cabin. Now,
is there any place you haven't beenin the last two weeks? Mister
South Dakota home. Oh yeah,were tough. Yeah, it must be

(46:14):
tough. We'll have to hear aboutthe road trip next podcast. Yeah any
any Yeah, No, it's nocrisis is It was pretty smooth behaved.
You didn't leave him. I didn'tbehave no, no, no, they
didn't behave disgust. We went withour neighbors. We thought, um,
we briefly had the entire campground lookingfor the two four year olds because they

(46:36):
went with an eight year old neighborkid to a playground on the campgrounds and
didn't tell anybody. So that wasfun. That was really fun. Got
to do some nice daddy there.Pressure had a nice little spike for the
next fifteen minute. Yeah, youdid not want to be around the wives
for the next couple of hours therebecause they were they were they were battling.
Now, I'll just say if Ihadn't said anything, because I'm looking
around, I'm like, huh,I haven't seen Jillian Haley for a minut

(47:00):
as we were kind of bouncing aroundthe two RVs. Had I not said
anything, they would have just walkedback and no one. But they were
at a playground that we didn't evenknow existed on the campgrounds that the neighbor
kid. Um said, well,let's just go here and not tell anybody
that makes because that's what you've beentaught. And my four year old is
still mad at us when we bringit up. And the kid's name is

(47:21):
Justin, and she looked at usand said, Justin said he had us
like the eight year old. Yeah, like this is the only Justin that
matters. That Justin does not matter. But other than that mini crisis,
um, everything was fine. MountRossmoort's cool. Have you guys been two
years ago? Yeah? I'd neverbeen, and um I was. So
it was so like underreported to me, like people said I'd be ready.

(47:43):
It might not meet your expectations becauseit looks big on TV and whatever,
so my expectations were very low.I thought it was awesome. Yeah,
and the little presidential trail you canwalk up and do all that stuff and
get like right underneath. Yeah yeah, very cool, highly recommend So I'd
never been out that way, butit was good. Yeah. Just um
kids listening, just tell your parentswhere you're going. Trying to try to
give you a little freedom. Communiswant you to be free range, Like

(48:06):
you know, I don't want tobe a helicopter dude. But when we're
at a place we don't know,don't just roll off to the playground because
Justin said he had you the wrong, justin the wrong, Justin. Um,
so you've been the only one coveringyou went to Indie Big ten media
days and everything there's irrelevant, right, I mean, nothing matters now.
But with touch, the toxic cultureand clapping, I don't, okay,

(48:27):
I don't. I want to givehim no sustenance to that. I had
somebody come up to me the otherday and go, well, to go
for football scandal bleed into the season. I looked at him and said,
what I said, what's scandal like? I'm not trying to be a jacket?
That was one day? What scandallike? It's already over. It's
over. So no, I don't. I I found out, like,
what was that Wednesday? I foundout Monday that was coming down, and
think we texted about it and I'mjust like, okay, well that'll be

(48:49):
an uncomfortable twelve hours and then peoplewill go, what the hell is this?
So no, I don't answer yourquestion. Is that clear enough for
you? Oh? You see howwide his eyes are. It's just so
stupid. I agree, because y'allpeople in this town that will continue to
just bring it up and it's stupidand it's the same people they're doing it
so correct Um, I want totalk about You've got a lot of inside
info on Saturday night night practice.You feel like your notebook is your notebook

(49:13):
is full, all the questions youhave. I've been reading some of your
previews that go for Illustrated dot Com, all the positional stuff, like you
have no more questions about how thingsare going to roll because you felt like
you got every answer you need openSaturday night. That was so for those
of you who didn't go, therewas an open practice the stadium Saturday night.
Bring your diapers. I think theygot over ten thousand typers, which

(49:34):
is nice. More ores there againtrying to make up for their lack of
transparency with different some different things inthe spring, with some practice not being
open. But that practice was anabsolute joke. Was it the most boring
practice you've ever doen? I mean, it made Wonderbread look like just wait
till Chip gets done. Was Wonderbreadthough, and his grilled cheese. It's
it's good. Well, football practicein of itself is typically the public there

(50:00):
with BTN there, I've never seenthem work on special teams so much,
which i'd argue, good for you, but also I've never seen that they're
trying to improve it. You've beenasking that for six years. You know
what the only quote I essentially tookfrom PJ at Big ten Media Days,
Puss, this is going to beour best special team ever. You got
excited? He was grinning ear toears. Yeah, I went six to
nine. If we're being honest hereit's a family podcast. But they just

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didn't do anything. I mean,it looked like it is. I've never
seen so much special teams work that. The forward pass looked like it hadn't
been invented yet. They ran insideoutside zone forever and football coach paranoia.
Not unbelievable, nothing, nothing unbelievable. I mean, they just they didn't

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do anything. They didn't. It'sjust I've never seen something like that.
I've never seen again. I've coveredthis team now for twelve years, my
seventh year with PJ. Just likewith all of you, I've never seen
a practice like that. I've neverseen the third team get you know,
that's all the true freshmen get asmuch work as they did special teams get
as much love as they did.Now usually I agree with you that the

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paranoia is off the charts for allthese guys. Nebraska is a pretty important
lidlifter, it I actually, Iget, actually kind of defend the stupidity
in the nonsense in that you're playingNebraska, who we know's got talent,
they've got a great coach. Youdon't know what they're running. You have,
you have, So I like you. I mean, we've talked about

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this six months ago, that campwas going to be miserable for the players,
and I mean I remember when TCUwas here with Kill that camp was
a complete dumpster fire because they wereso spun up about TCU being the opening
game. Yeah, like that's justthe reality of it. It's kind of
like the NFL. Uh. Theseteams are now holding a lot of joint
practices because that's not on TV.Yeah, so the preseason games they can

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you know, they don't, they'renot gonna show anything anywhere, but you
know, these joint practices they cando. So I understand like some of
that. But I was at themedia day and PJ still will not reveal
who's called. And I sat thereyou're not going to hear that until then
after the game, Thursty. I'mtrying to figure out, like why is

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that top secret? Like what MattSimon, who's called because it can be
that's why, because it's something hecan control and the in a world where
college coaches are losing their control dayby sail and transfer portal, damn it.
I can keep that to myself.As what I said, They said,
you know, we're gonna keep thatprivate, and I'm just saying,
I understand your question, and I'mI'm sitting here thing I was like,
well, the first like why whyis this top secret? Well, I

(52:38):
think Andy asked it or you askedit, and it was just and he
did. I was just curious asthough, because we asked the immediate days
He's like, I'm not ready totalk about it yet. So then we
asked it a week later. I'mnot ready to but he's like, it's
not we're not doing it to like, you know, because of Nebraska.
And then he spends the next talkingabout Nebraska and he's like, yeah,
actually, to answer your question,you know, it's about Nebraska. But

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even if it's a Matt sim it'scalled like two or three Bowl games.
Greg Harbow has called three or fourgames at Western Michigan. It's like,
what with your different personnel, Yeah, in a different conference, in a
different offensive scheme, under a differenthead coach. Not for Simon, but
yeah, yeah, it's I mean, they know who it's going to be.

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Well, I would I think that'sfair. I would think when he
when he made the change in thepromotions, he knows what he wants to
do. So it's this is toyour point though, it's just been I
feel like this is like the killedTCU. You're just because they are so
paranoid right now. Yeah, youknow, Burns has going through your your
projected depth charts and looking at theroster. Another thing, when was the

(53:39):
last time he saw a Go forFootball depth chart? Don't recall the first
year twenty seventeen was the last time. Yeah, when demri Croft was a
top think about it. But Iwas going through it last night and just
looking at the names. It's like, man, this is a new team.
There are a lot I'm just liketrying to familiarize with these because we
don't you know, it's not likethe Vikings were watching airy practice. We

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get only a few practices to watch. But it's like between guys that graduated
guys when NFL guys that hit theportal, guys that came in from the
portal, young guys who were freshmenor whatever last year who in more prominent
roles. Is like, I needa you know, like a week just
to figure out who's who. Youknow, That's why I'm reading Burns,
That's why I'm reading So I'm readingAndy Greed and Randy Johnson. When you

(54:22):
say when you say turn the page, this is a turn the page.
You're going from Tenner, Morgan moeiber him and Mariannod sorry maryon to Athan
callik Man's Sean Tyler. But justlike it's all new secondary, all new
wide receiver corps. It's crazy howmany yep um and I keep thinking this
team's young. But it's like whattwo portal guys at wide receiver who are

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not young two or three they're realsecondary guys who are not young portal They're
not really that young. Yeah,that's part of the new I keep thinking
New as young, but it's not. It's part of the reason why Vegas
is somewhat bullish on him. Iwould say it's seven wins I think the
thing I took out of what I'veseen so far, plus from you men
talking with the other big ten Westwriters in media days is again the Cleveland

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dot Com poll comes out Iowa,Wisconsin, and it's I think what I
came away from is I think alot more people within my industry in terms
of the twenty four seven are morebullish on Illinois because of how good they
are upfront. Yeah, I mean, they have the best front seven in
the West, and I don't thinkit's close. Yeah. And then it
comes down to what do you thinkof Wisconsin. I mean, I think

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all four teams Iowa, Wisconsin,Minnesota, and Illinois have a shot at
this thing. That's why they're allwithin one win. Yeah, the Vegas
odds, but it's for this Minnesotateam. We'll spent the next three weeks
talking about it. Before Nebraska.It's Ethan kelliic Manison. How quickly can
he do it? That's the thing. I mean, if you pin me
down now to pick a winner,I would say Iowa. There's all so

(55:49):
much unknown parents competency. It's justit's a scary thought. But again,
that schedule out, if he hasa quarterback, if he has a quarterback.
I did, and I just thinkdefensively, special teams at this quarterback,
it's going to be an upgrade.Man, we're out of time.
But we didn't even get to talkabout Jim Leonard being back. God,
we'll get to that next week.Hey, was it was? I saw
a tweet? Was your birthday Saturday? It was? Man, my heavy

(56:10):
birthday? A gift you got?You know what my gift was? Jim
Leonard going to Illinois? No,I want so Fleck comes over after twenty
minutes after practice, because not thatyou're bitter about that too. My God,
you're too young to be this bitterabout everything. Well, he wishes,
yeah, I'm thirty one. Hegoes, you know, I want
to wish Fry and Burns a heavybirthday. And I was like, well
that's nice, and he goes yeah, and you're Charlie Sheen bowling shirt.

(56:32):
Yeah, And I went, Idid get a couple of times about you.
So you're gonna come over here,build me up and then you're just
gonna tear me down on my birthday? Was it on button? No,
it's a it was like a it'slike a polo. I don't know,
like this good looking shirt looking.Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of
like that shirt but had much Itwas an expressed polo that my wife cleared

(56:52):
me to walk out of the housewith. But I'm like, Charlie Sheen
bowling shirt, Is that what mythirties is gonna be? Then? Yeah,
that's a shot you're in two anda half. Men, that's funny
that maybe that can be the newto the Tuesday press conference. It's the
only shirt I'm gonna wear the restof the your christ press conference, just
to continue to irritate them. It'slike, yeah, thanks for the birthday,
shut up my day, man.Yeah, but just Charlie she and

(57:14):
bowling shirt. You couldn't just say, well, that's a nice shirt.
No, you have to go niceCharlie she look like a nice shirt.
Oh you saw the photo stand by? Yeah, I was looking for that
one. Yeah, so you knowI don't have to show it too.
Yeah, your wardrobe has gotten muchmore run than I ever thought that it
would. I don't remember. Idon't even know how to dress my subpast.
My wife literally has to approve outfitsbefore I walk out of the house

(57:35):
because I don't know what matches.You know that that's how this whole thing
started, was you Yes, that'sright, came all started. You're welcome,
I'm all worked. You're welcome becauseyou got some really nice outfits after
that. Yeah, bottom on Amazon. I think right, didn't choose.
It all comes full circle. Itall comes full circum So you want to

(57:57):
go weekly throughout this. We'll doour best. Yeah, we'll do our
best. But fun enough stuff.Time were three weeks from Thursday is the
first game, right, so we'reback. It's time. We'll have to
figure out who's calling the plays beforethen that will be the case. Get
on the case. Um, Isaw that the apartments um right across the
street never going to practice outside.Yeah, there are so many giant apartment

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buildings around that practice field. Nowthey're just going to practice inside inside,
Especially that US two weeks of fallcamp. I saw that you are never
going to be able to There's nota chance they're gonna be way too Maybe
we could the parent of spare couldrent one of those out every you know,
and we could just maybe that couldbe our podcast studio. What are
they probably like twenty five hundred amonth. It's in the budget. Yeah,

(58:44):
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