Into the Halls of Trans-Allegheny

🎙️ Paranormal Lens Podcast - Season 2, Episode 36: Into the Halls of Trans-Allegheny 🏚️👻

In this week’s episode of Paranormal Lens, we’re taking you deep into the haunting history of one of America’s most infamous institutions: the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum in Weston, West Virginia.

As the Jott-Nyx Paranormal team prepares for their upcoming investigation, the Paranormal Lens crew sets the stage with chilling tales, tragic history, and documented hauntings from this massive and mysterious facility. Will Chad Thomas have his voice back in time to present? Or will Jamie Widener be flying solo through the shadows? Either way, you're in for an episode full of eerie facts and anticipation for what’s to come.

🎧 Available on Spotify, Apple, Audible, and all major streaming platforms!

Get ready for flickering lights, phantom footsteps, and the echoes of the past—because Trans-Allegheny is calling... and we’re answering. 🖤👁️‍🗨️

#TALA #paranormallens #jottnyxparanormal #transallegheneylunaticasylum

Episode Transcript

(00:32):
The. There we are.
Good. And welcome to the Paranormal
Lens Podcast presented by Jack Nick's Paranormal.
My name's Chad Thomas. I think I'm on the wrong side.

(00:54):
Jamie Weidner's over there. Somewhere I'm over here.
I'm just here presently accounted for.
Yeah, I think we were playing around with that at the end of
the week last week and now it's all messed up.
So everybody. 'S really crazy instead of being
left and right if we were top and bottom.
Well, we do that when we go to the slides, remember?
Well, all right, anyway, so Jamie, how was your week?

(01:17):
It has been busy, dude. It has been crazy busy.
You know, life stuff and then packing stuff and.
Packing. I am pack.
I've. I am packed.
I think, I hope. I hope you're going somewhere.
I am, I am. I've got a trip planned
tomorrow, actually taking off after the work day is done and
driving a few hours to West in West Virginia.

(01:39):
If you've ever heard of it, maybe small town in kind of mid
state? You know what?
I think I might be headed there too.
Be what? What?
Yeah. Well, we should coordinate this
better. Yeah, definitely.
What are you going there for? I got something Thursday night.
Big, big, big building Walmart. No, no, no.

(02:01):
An old, an old, an old psychiatric hospital, something
like that. Something.
Oh, that sounds familiar. So anyway, we both know.
I know what you're doing. You know what I'm doing.
So yeah, that's why we're here tonight.
It is so so anyway other than other than getting.
It it's been a whirlwind, you know, like how do you, how do

(02:22):
you plan for, you know this? Well, first of all, you know
what you need to take, right? You know, your gear or your
equipment, all the stuff you normally take to investigation.
But yeah, we're dealing, we're not dealing with general April
weather. We're dealing with like late
winter weather Now. I think it's going to be a high
of 40 in rain throughout the day, so and dropping toward the

(02:44):
freezing at night. So it's it's going to be, it's
going to be interesting. Yeah.
And it could be, you know, it could be stormy, which could be
good for, yeah, for what we're doing so.
Absolutely. So I'm going to apologize.
My voice may come and go throughout the night, but it's
mostly here. So we're.
Going to a lot better. Yeah, Wait, way to go.
Your your correct medical team has really pulled you through.

(03:06):
Yeah. So.
And all those honey bees that donated the sugar and honey to
you? Exactly.
So Jamie was afraid he was goingto have to read my script
tonight and I don't. I don't wish that on anybody so.
We'd have covered. We would have covered it no
matter what. It's all good so.
So, so anyway, anything else Jamie, or should we just get

(03:29):
right into this? Let's.
Do this. It's been so long coming, you
know, like months and months andmonths.
We've known and talked about it like a little bit now building
up to it. So let's.
Do this. So we are talking tonight about
Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. Before I start, I do want to
give credit to the photographer of the pictures I'm using.

(03:50):
They are owned and copyrighted by Walter Arnold of Walter
Arnold Photography, and I am using them under the educational
arm of the fair use copyright law.
So just get that out of the way.They are not my pictures.
I do not take credit for them. Mr. Arnold has done a wonderful
job, so I just figured I would give him credit and use his
great work. So anyway, there we go.

(04:12):
OK. So tonight we're talking about
the Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum.
As you know, as we've been bantering about the Jatnick's
paranormal is traveling to West and West Virginia to investigate
the facility. And before investigating, I like
to know the history and the background of the place that I'm
going to explore. I I feel that this is important

(04:35):
to an investigation and I would rather know the history than the
stories and experiences other people have had.
Cause knowing some of the general expectations at a
location isn't a bad idea, but hoping or expecting a specific
thing to happen can lead to a let down and disappointment,
which can turn that whole experience into a bad one.
We we've been there. So.

(04:57):
But before we start wandering the halls of Tala tonight, I
wanted to dig a little deeper into the history of mental
illness. Before we go too far into
anything, we were missed to catch up on some comments real
quick. First of all, Burt Lynch is with
us and he already called it. So no one else road trip with a
lot of exclamation points. I think 5 or 6 or 7, I don't

(05:19):
know. They're very small lines.
I'm, I'm like, forgot my glasses.
That's what's wrong. Jeez, Mr. Ragu here, you know,
can't see anything. Jim's with us, he said.
Hi, guys. Switch sides, Freaky Tuesday.
So you're right. Frankie Adayo is with us.
Tala, Yahoo or who? Who?
Sorry, Todd and Carmela are withus.

(05:39):
So. Right.
Yeah. Yeah.
You're going to Tala. How could you forget?
That's what we talked about. Oh, and I while we were there, I
wanted to congratulate Todd and Carmela on their their podcast.
They had their inaugural episodelast night.
Yep. So congratulations on that.
I saw it today I didn't I I was packing and everything else last
night. It totally blew my mind just

(06:00):
slipped my mind I should say, but my mind was blown by the
first episode as I watched this afternoon.
Great work. Looking forward to a lot of good
stuff coming there along with Chris all good and and Andre
Keeler, great, great set of hosts and looks like a lot of
great plans coming up for them. Mondays at 9:00 and it'll be
here next week over here before you know it.

(06:20):
So, and also Heather Lynch is with us too.
She's she's ready to be educatedfor the investigation.
I don't know if that's what we're going to do, but here we
go. And she's also packed and ready
to go. One of our traveling compatriots
picking up some fresh eggs from the neighbors so Bert can make
us brunch on Friday. We are crashing together, the

(06:42):
Lynches, Chad and I at Airbnb, which is, you know, for when we
travel. I got to, I got to say this, you
know, we don't get to travel often enough where we stay
together. You know, we're always finding
hotels and everybody's got theirown room, which is fine, you
know, obviously. And but you know, Airbnb,
SVRBOS, whatever they are, you know, they give you a chance to
commingle still having a separate space.
So I really am looking forward to this just for that alone, the

(07:05):
camaraderie and the team. You have all of us in the same
team kind of thing. So.
And brunch, Yeah, it was only brunch.
And then tartan. Camilla also added.
We'll be curious to see what experiences and activity have.
Definitely we'll need to share your notes.
Next week's episode will actually be a post investigation
episode to kind of get everybodywho came along with us, try to

(07:28):
get everybody together here as we've done for other
investigations and then kind of do a round Robin kind of
conversation around what we've all experienced uniquely.
Hopefully there's a little bit of time since we're doing this
on a Thursday, there might be enough time to capture some
information like the evidence review and show some stuff.
So if if we catch anything, of course, because it's never a
guarantee. So but yeah, that'll be coming

(07:49):
up next week as well. So we'll cover that at the end.
All right, we're caught up. All right, all you so So before
we start wandering the halls, I'm going to dig a little deeper
into the history of mental illness in the United States,
and I'm going to start using an antiquated term only because
that was the mindset of the day.I mean no disrespect.

(08:10):
In colonial times, people were considered insane if they
exhibited aberrant behavior or behaviors that deviated
significantly from what was considered normal behavior.
It was believed that people exiting bidding this behavior
were possessed by demons, witches, or possibly the devil
himself. In looking back at some

(08:31):
historical documents, some modern day psychologist have
clued concluded that the majority of people executed as
witches in the Salem Witch Trials in 1692 were actually
showing signs of mental illness or what would have been called
insanity in those days. So it's an interesting piece of
history to dig into there. Executing people as witches was

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not the only way the insane weretreated.
For almost the next 100 years. The treatment would be
considered barbaric by modern standards.
If someone was suspected of being insane, their family
family would typically hide themaway in an attic, hidden sheds,
secret rooms, or even holes in the ground.
These were the lucky ones. If there was no family to take

(09:15):
care of them or the family didn't want to deal with them,
the insane were remanded to the local jail along with common
prisoners. Some places would chain them to
the wall naked. It didn't matter what the
weather was like, hot or cold, they lived in their own filth
and excrement. In the 1700s facilities were
beginning to be built for the insane, but the goal for these

(09:36):
facilities was not to make them better, but to keep them away
from politis society. Luckily, times and ideas changed
in the 1800s. New ideas came about in regards
to treating the insane. One of the main people in this
evolution was a woman named Dorothy Dorothea Dix.
Born in 18 O2 to an alcoholic father and a mentally unstable

(09:59):
mother, she ended up raising hertwo infant brothers.
In 1817 she opened a private school in Worcester, MA.
And yes, for those math whizzes out there, she was 15 years old
at the time with no formal education.
She taught young women in the time when formal education was
unheard of for females. Five years later she opened a

(10:22):
similar school in Boston. At the age of 39, she had a life
altering moment. While visiting a jail in
Cambridge, MA. She witnessed mentally ill
inmates in how they were being treated.
This horror inspired her to a life of advocacy for the
mentally ill. She started in Massachusetts and
got the legislature to authorizefunds to improve conditions for

(10:45):
the mentally ill. She took her crusade to other
U.S. states as well as Asia and Europe.
It was because of her efforts that the first state hospital
for the mentally ill was built in Trenton, NJ in 1848.
It would be this hospital that Dorothea would eventually have
herself admitted to after havingseveral debilitating breakdowns.

(11:05):
She lived here for the last six years of her life.
It was thanks to to Dix that these that people found a new
way of thinking about the mentally ill and that funding
became available to build placesfor the insane.
Thinking about things differently and having money.
Money or a step in the right direction, but you still need a
plan. Up until now, alms houses and

(11:26):
jails were still the norm, but we're going to introduce Thomas
Story Kirkbride to their to our family of people here.
He was born to a family of farmers.
Thomas was too frail to work thefarm, so his father encouraged
him to study medicine. He graduated from the University
of Pennsylvania in 1832 with a degree in medicine, hoping to

(11:46):
become a surgeon. Because it was prestigious, he
looked for a residency. The only thing he found was a
residency in a small town outside of Philadelphia at the
Friend's Asylum for the Insane. It was a Quaker run facility
that focused on removing the restraints, promoting a family
environment, and giving the patients mental and physical
stimulation. Though he did well here, he

(12:09):
didn't. He still wanted to be a surgeon.
In 1833 he was offered a surgical residency and went on
to be a successful surgeon and had a private medical practice.
He had no intention of treating the insane.
His work hadn't gone unnoticed though, and in 1840 the hospital
governors offered him the Superintendent position at the

(12:29):
newly built Pennsylvania Hospital for the Insane.
It was a prestigious and well paying job, so he took it more
for those reasons than the opportunity to treat the
mentally ill. He continued at this post until
he retired 43 years later. He would go on to study
treatment and housing of the mentally ill.
In these studies, he began developing the idea that the

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building was just as important as anything else to the cure.
So in the early 1850s, his hospital population was
outgrowing the facility. This allowed him to go to the
hospital governors with a plan and ask for funding to build his
ideas. They approved the building of a
new facility based on his theories and the Kirkbride plan

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was born. Over the next several decades,
over 300 facilities would be built based on his plan.
He would become known as the foremost authority on hospital
design. His plan included incorporating
light, fresh air, and nature into the building.
Doors were carefully positioned so that when open, sunlight
would flood through them. Open spaces for patients to

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gathered and to socialize and eat were plentiful, and even the
grounds were landscaped in such a way that patients looking out
the windows could only see rolling hills and openness.
Nothing that would suggest that our hospital was also surrounded
by gates to keep them locked inside.
So as you can probably guess, that brings us back to the Trans
Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. Due to the due to the work of

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people like Dorothea Dix and theVirginia legislature authorized
the building of a facility across the West Fork River from
Weston in the early 1850s. So at this point, we're still
talking about Virginia because it's pre Civil War.
It was the Civil War that split Virginia and West Virginia.

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It was designed by Richard S Andrews of Baltimore.
He had designed the South wing of the US Treasury Building and
the Maryland Governor's Mansion.A committee toured several other
state facilities and determined what was required.
Most of these based on Kirk Bride's idea.
So looking at the finished product, it resembled Kirk
Bride's design in many ways. The General Assembly

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appropriated $50,000 and construction of the Trans
Allegheny Lunatic Asylum began in 1858.
Much of the work was done by prison laborers.
In 1861, the Civil War put a hold on construction.
When Virginia succeeded from theUnion, the new government
demanded the return of the hospital's unused funds.

(15:00):
The 7th Ohio Volunteer Infantry seized the money from a local
bank before it made its way to the Confederacy.
This money eventually became thestart up treasury for what we
now know as West Virginia. Money from this treasury allowed
the construction to continue in 1862.
Unfortunately, the site was occupied by both Union and

(15:20):
Confederate troops and building supplies were taken by
Confederate rating parties. In 1863, when West Virginia
became a state, the facility wasrenamed the West Virginia
Hospital for the Insane. On October 22nd, 1864, under the
direction of Doctor R Hills, thefirst patients moved into the

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facility. By 1868, there were 200 patients
being cared for at the facility.In 1870, the legislature
approved another $110,000 and construction would continue
until 1881. A central clock tower was
completed in 1871. Segregated rooms for people of
color were completed in 1873. The facility was self

(16:04):
self-sufficient as it had its own farm, dairy, waterworks and
cemetery. In 19 O 2A gas well was drilled
on the property. In 1913, the West Virginia
legislature renamed the facilityto Weston State Hospital.
On October 3rd, 1935, a fire wasstarted in the main building

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that would destroy six of the men's wards.
This also led to the cupola falling through the roof.
After being repaired, the building remained in use for
almost 60 years. Now.
As we know from some of our other episodes like Season 1
episode 24 when we talked about Pennhurst, funding became a
problem, so people were admittedto collect the money.

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This could be for a number of reasons including asthma,
laziness, egotism, domestic troubles and even greediness.
This led to an overwhelming number of patients being
admitted, causing the asylum to face a shortage of staff in
beds. This quote from rdunravel.com
seems hard to believe today. A man could admit his wife for

(17:08):
any reason and if he decided never to bring her home if say,
he started a new relationship, she remained as a ward of the
state. Children often accompanied their
mothers and some children were born within the hospital walls
were raised there. Other children were dropped off
in front of the hospital as orphans.
A big part of the hospital's history was written by people

(17:28):
who should never have been therein the 1st place.
Hard to believe that that's something that was acceptable in
the time, huh Jamie? Oh.
My yeah, well, yes, agreed. I I think if I'm not mistaken, I
saw in the last couple weeks a Alist of probably a 50 things
that were acceptable reasons to be admitted to the Tala.

(17:52):
I have that and we can share it a little bit later when we're
talking about when we go into discussion.
Yeah, it just blew my mind, likethe amount of things that were
in in the era and obviously still not acceptable by overall
sense, but what was allowable may be a better way to say it in
the era for admission to just pass people off, right.

(18:15):
Yeah. So this this might be a good
time to pause for a second. I'm going to share this comment
from, well, first of all, going back to, you know what, what
happened with folks, you know, with mental illness back in the
day. Bert was kind enough to comment
that his mom kept him in the basement.
I don't believe that, but maybe it's true.
It is Bert after all, but Frankie Adeo who is a social

(18:39):
worker by trade and profession. Any time I walk into a facility
like Tala, it is not lost on me that this was what my field look
like at one point. Tremendously and traumatically
flawed to say the least. It's hard for me to do actual
paranormal work there because I get caught up in the empathy of
it all. And I agree with that
completely. I coming from the social service

(19:00):
world myself for quite a few years, the the amount of trauma
that is on people and the energythat it brings and continues to,
you know, linger it. It's got to be so heavy here.
That is one of my my concerns going in as well.
You know, in advance of this knowing, you know what this was
like right still be is is quick.It's going to be quite.

(19:23):
Interesting in in being being semi sensitive myself, I it's
one of the things that worries me.
I know several of our teammates have already talked about having
visions and and dreams and things.
Lead up stuff, yeah. And it's, it's, it's amazing,
but I am, I am a little worried about going there just 'cause I
know how emotional I could feel going to some of these places.

(19:45):
And this, this is probably the top, top 1.
So we'll see. Yeah, we will.
You're right. So thanks.
For sharing that Frankie, by theway.
Yeah, I, I, I do appreciate thatand I'm amazing.
I'm, I'm glad that you joined ustonight because I, I was
thinking of you when I was writing some of this stuff.
Just how the field has changed. So the facility was originally

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designed to house 250 patients in solitude.
So they each basically had theirown room, their own space.
The hospitals held 17 or 717 patients by 18.
Eighty 16161 in 1938 / 1800 in 1949.
And at its peak, it had 2600. In the 1950s, in overcrowded

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conditions, things were so bad that bed sharing measures were
implemented. A patient would get an 8 hours
of rest and then the bed would be occupied by another patient
on a different schedule. This is not what Kirkbride had
dreamed of. In 1938, a committee organized
by a group of North American medical organizations stated the

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hospital include included epileptics, Alcoholics, drug
drug addicts and non educatable mental defectives among its
population. In 1949, the Charleston Gazette
did a series of reports that included stories about poor
sanitation and insufficient furniture, lighting and heating

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in much of the complex, while one wing, which had been rebuilt
using the Works Progress Administration funds following
the 1935 fire, was comparativelyluxurious.
So I found that interesting. Kirkbride's plan was for
holistic care of patients in these facilities.

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Even though this facility started in those routes, as
patients overwhelmed the staff, other methods of treatment were
employed. These methods typically didn't
heal the patients, but more often made them controllable.
I'm going to get these. These are medication names, so
I'm probably going to get them messed up, but I'm going to try.
Chloropromazine, also known as thorazine, was introduced to

(21:58):
treat psychotic disorders, but it was widely prescribed and
often used to keep patients in acatatonic state.
Similarly, laudanum, an opiate most commonly used to treat
pain, was regularly provided to patients.
Then there were different types of shock therapies.
They included insulin shock, which put patients into comas,

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and electroconvulsive therapy orshock treatment, which we all
know what that's done from otherreports that we've looked at.
We're going to move into anothersad, sad time for this facility.
In 1948, the first lobotomy was performed in West Virginia.
Neurologist Walter Freeman, working with James Watts, had

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developed the surgery based on the work of Egos Moniz.
Freeman's intention was that that of reducing overcrowding of
mental health hospitals and the corresponding financial burden
that many states faced, so his theory was to make things
better. Transorbital lobotomies, also
known as ice pick lobotomies, could be completed quickly and

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did not, in Freeman's mind, require surgical training or an
operating room. By teaching the transorbital
protocols to doctors and psychiatrists, Freeman hoped to
advance his ultimate goal of riding the world of mental
illness. Weston State Hospital was one of
four facilities that were part of the West Virginia Lobotomy
Project between 1952 and 1955. There were 787 W Virginians that

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were lobotomized at the four facilities.
It is believed that Freeman tookpart in most, if not all, of
these procedures and charged $25per patient.
He encouraged crowds to watch like it was entertainment.
againrdunravel.com stated almostall patients who underwent this
procedure were completely altered, often unable to provide

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even basic self-care, and many died during the lobotomy.
Lobotomies were horrific, brutal, and all too frequently
ended or irreversibly changed lives.
Looking back at this, we now know that the procedure doesn't
work and it's unfortunate that so many people were treated to
prove that fact. Isolation was also another form

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of treatment used for uncontrollable patients.
This could be for hours, days, or weeks depending on the
severity of the patient. This didn't always go as planned
as isolation. Isolation can make patients
worse. I'll talk about that a little
bit more in a bit. We began to see a reduction in
population in the 1980s. This was likely to due to

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changes in how mental illness was treated.
The patients who could not be controlled were still locked in
cages. Governor Arch Moore announced
plans in 1986 to build new psychiatric a new psychiatric
hospital and convert the Weston Hospital to a prison.
As work began, the state found this unconstitutional and the

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work was stopped immediately. The William R Sharp Junior
Hospital was built in Weston andthe Weston State Hospital
closed. This was largely This was due
largely in part to a class action lawsuit that was filed by
family members of the of patients.
The facility sat vacant for years after that.

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It was used for fairs, church revivals, and tours.
While these were all good intention things, 2/19/99 events
on May 22nd and May 29th were not.
Approximately 20 local off duty law enforcement officers decided
to use the building for a paintball battle.
According to the Pittsburgh PostGazette, the building was

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stained and marred with countless marks from paintballs.
This caused an uproar in in the community and cost at least
three people their jobs. In 1978, the main building was
listed on the National Register of Historic Places and in 1990
was named a National Historic Landmark.
Now the building has been openedup for tours and investigations.

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There are multiple tour options available as well as paranormal
investigations. Thank goodness, or we'd have a
wasted trip. For more information on that,
you can head to the trans-alleghenylunaticasylum.com
for all the information you need.
They're open this year from March 29th through November 9th,
Tuesday through Sunday. And I want to note that it went

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from the Weston State Hospital back to Trans Allegheny Lunatic
Asylum when it was purchased by the private group that owns it
now. So I know you may want to know
more information on haunts of the place, but I don't want to
give too much away. I will say that while the exact
number is not known, it is estimated that 30,000 people may

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have died due to unsanitary conditions, poor staffing, and
lack of care at the facility. Now I'm going to talk a little
bit about some of the things onemay expect while investigating.
I'm not going to go too deep into anything.
Hopefully we will have some personal experiences to share
next week. If you don't want to know, now
would be a good time to go get asnack and come back in about 5
minutes. Baby you, you're not allowed to

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go. No, wait, I was.
I could use a snack. I mean, really.
So all. Right.
So as with most haunted places, there are reports of dark
Shadows, objects moving on theirtheir own, disembodied voices
and cries, bangs on the walls and breaking glass.
The Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum has many of their own

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stories. Here are a few I found.
Whether they are true or not, wewill just have to see.
So we're going to start with what's called the backroom.
In the room towards the back of one of the wings, a patient
named Dean was murdered by Big Jim and Dave Mason.
They attempted to hang him, but that failed.
When that failed, they placed his head under a bed frame and

(28:03):
jumped on it until the bed frametouched the floor.
Other patients were also murdered in cold blood by their
peers as overcrowding, mental illness and poor care became the
lethal combination for aggression.
So this room is known for its cold spots and quiet cries,
which is said to be Dean. So earlier I talked about the

(28:24):
isolation cells. Asylum staff were empowered to
send their patients into isolation if they were deemed
uncontrollable. This, of course, was up to the
discretion of the staff that wasalready irritated and
overworked. Isolation was so terrible that
patients would just would do just about anything to get out
of it. One story in particular is about

(28:46):
a former boxer who suffered fromhead injuries during his career
that left him violent and emotionless.
He attempted to beat down the metal door that isolated him.
He ended up ripping the door offits hinges, leaving visible
dents in the steel. When he finally got the door
off, he handed it to one of the nurses and calmly returned to
his room. The rooms used most, the rooms

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used most for isolation tend to have violent energies attached
to them, with visitors reportingreporting being pushed or
scratched, as well as in disembodied voices saying Get Me
Out of here. So next we're going to talk
about Little Lily. This story comes to us from the
Spartan Shield website. Little Lily is one of the most

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well known ghosts. This is one of the most
prominent versions of Gladys andLily's story.
Gladys was sent to the asylum when she was supposedly raped by
civil war soldiers. When she was admitted, she would
found herself pregnant. Gladys passed away during
childbirth, leaving her infant left alone.
The nurses in the ward immediately took to the little
girl, naming her Lily. According to the legend, the

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child only had one home for a very short period of time.
When the Lily was 9, she contracted pneumonia which
ultimately killed her. Now people like to visit Lily's
room and bring her things like toys, stuffed animals and candy.
Many people state that the toys will sometimes move and even the
candy will disappear. Many believe that this is way

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Lily's way of playing with the guests.
Ruth On the 1st floor there was a female patient named Ruth.
She resided in the Civil War wing with the veterans.
According to her legend, she hated men with an unbelievable
rage. To this day, some people say
that she will throw things at men if given the chance.

(30:37):
Other spirits that are believed to reside here are Civil War
soldiers who were housed in their own wing after the war.
Nurse Elizabeth who still roams the halls taking care of her
patients. There is also James.
He had a heart attack while taking a bath in one of the
upstairs bathtubs. This group of spirits are
typically friendly. The last one on my list list is

(30:58):
called Slewfoot. No one knows how the man became
known as Slewfoot. Supposedly he roamed the upper
floors and killed and tortured people in the upstairs bathroom.
To this day, he haunts the bathroom and the upstairs floor.
With everything that happened here, I'm sure this is just a
small list of the spirits that roam the halls, the Trans
Allegheny like lunatic asylum. So I want to cite some sources.

(31:22):
And Jamie, we can talk about things and see what you think.
Newspapers.com, Pittsburgh Post Gazette, June 20th, 1999 Ashley
petersonmedium.com What Made YouCrazy in 1864
www.wvencyclopedia.org Entries 11 O

(31:44):
sixandtwo2339trans-alleghenylunaticasylum.comwww.ro.unravel.com Destination
Guides Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum.
Let's see GEH spartanshield.org 44568 features Trans Allegheny

(32:10):
Lunatic Asylum ghosts Walter Arnold, photoshelter.com and we
can't forget our friends at Atlas Obscura places Trans
Allegheny Lunatic Asylum and I love this line from their
website. They may label this as a ghost
hunt, but it's also an awesome legal urban explanation.

(32:33):
Exploration of an abandoned set of asylum buildings.
So that's what I got. Jamie, what do you think?
Let's go, let's go right now, let's get this going 24 or
whatever 36 more hours or till we get there 38 hours.

(32:53):
I don't know it's I'm losing track of time here, but yeah it,
it, we got to go. I I'm aware of most of these
stories by the media outlets andthe sources that are available,
you know, around it as well. And I, you know, and y'all know,
I, I like paranormal shows, I guess.
So it's that's not a secret, butExpedition X with the Josh Gates

(33:17):
show with, you know, two other investigators he sends out to
the world. They launched season 8 in
episodes one and two at Tala andthey came across some rather
interesting stuff and a quite a few things they did there a lot
of tools they used, but one of them was the STS method in the
room where Dave Mason and Big Jim killed the the other inmate,

(33:40):
the bedpost. And they were getting actual
responses from at least seemingly from those
individuals, at least Dave Mason.
And then at the very end of the second episode, and in the time
frame that they were doing that session, something happened in
another area that was chilling. So if you haven't seen it yet, I
highly recommend watching these two episodes.

(34:00):
You know, they're they're they're on demand.
So they're only 45 minutes apiece.
They're easy. I rewatched them Tuesday night,
Monday night, whatever on accident.
Honestly, I wasn't really planning on it, but I was, you
know, I had, it was a very late night because packing and other
stuff. And I sat down on the couch and
just kind of flipped through some stuff and like, oh, let's

(34:21):
watch this. And then just for a few minutes,
the next thing you know, an hourand a half later and it's
midnight and I'm like I. Got to go to bed.
But, you know, there's so much history here going all the way
back and, you know, the idea that people were mistreated at
best and just flat out abused. And, you know, there's so many,

(34:46):
so many directions to go here, but just the, the blatant
horrific conditions that people put in and left in and subjected
to, there's no way in my mind atleast, and this is Jamie
Wagner's opinion, but this placehas to have activity, you know,
for 150 years of just drama and drama alone.

(35:09):
And, you know, I guess, you know, and it, it, it is we have
to be cognizant, you know, of the fact that a lot of folks who
were there may not be fully aware that where they were, you
know, that's, that's really, that's really makes me sad, you

(35:30):
know, and makes me kind of the empathy thing that Frankie was
talking about. You know, it really comes more
into play there then the the ones who were aggressive and
violent, you know, those things because there was no place that
would take them otherwise. You know, even even the jails,
you know, wouldn't take them. You know, you were talking about
the the governor of West Virginia back in the 80s was,

(35:54):
you know, taking, stopping the process of turning it over to a
prison. That's also the same time, if
you remember when we were at West Virginia Penitentiary,
there was a prison break and guards were captured or
kidnapped in the process and onewas killed.
And that same governor wasn't willing to really help out
there, if I remember that correctly.
So it's interesting, you know, how how once you become a

(36:18):
criminal, you, you kind of things change for you and you're
kind of there for wherever the, the state wants to send you and
putting those people in with individuals who are have a have
a mental disability or handicapped, you know, it, it
just that's, that's not right. It's just so it's wrong in so
many levels anyway. And the poor people were

(36:39):
subjected to their violence and their sadism and all this stuff,
you know, just the evilness thatthey brought.
And they didn't have a chance tohave any kind of life there.
So you were talking earlier about the list of things that
you could be. Yeah.
So here's that list. It's really long.

(36:59):
It's really long. Obviously it's going to be hard
to read here, but it's, it's, it's crazy.
Sorry, it's a bad word to use for this, but it's, it's, it's
amazing. Some of the things you know,
kicked, kicked in the horse by ahead or kicked in the head by a
horse. I'll treatment by husband,

(37:21):
Imaginary female trouble, Immoral life, Marriage of a son.
What? Some of these I'm just not going
to read. Opium habit over action of the
mind over study of religion. Parent, this is OK.

(37:46):
I shouldn't say this, but here'sa West Virginia one for you.
Parents were cousins. When weren't they?
Yeah, bad company, bad habits and political excitement.
Bad whiskey, Bloody flux, carbonic acid gas, congestion of

(38:10):
the brain. Decoyed into the army.
What else? Domestic affliction.
Dropsy. If you had the dropsies, you
fighting fire, fever and jealousy, exposure in army,

(38:32):
exposure in quackery, exposure in heredity, epileptic fits,
time of life, just women troubles, smallpox, snuff,
eating for two years. Couldn't be a year and a half,
two years, just you. Know it's definitely just

(38:56):
made-up to to dump you off basically, right?
It sounds like it, yeah. Seduction and disappointment.
Well, it's, it's every weekend and you're single, so no, no, so
same with the women trouble. But it's it it, it is of an era
when things were different perhaps, but also it is exactly

(39:19):
that. It's just like, let's find an
excuse to leave you here and addit to the list.
You know, I'm just amazed by this, you know, and and it's not
just here. It's there's so many other
facilities all over the place that were in this genre, this
era that you were able to do theexact same thing to, you know,
you mentioned earlier like just people getting dropped at the

(39:41):
door, you know, and there they are, you know, and therefore
they're, they're now a resident.And that's, you know, that going
back to the 250, you know, intentional set, people who were
supposed to be there for primarycare, you know, and it's
swelling to 2600 or so. That's exactly how it happened.
You know, it's just people just kept arriving and without any

(40:04):
real solid parameters for acceptance and admission.
You know, there wasn't like there was a waiting list and you
had to, you know, wait your turn.
They were just people just get dumped, you know, and and
without anything else to do withthem.
I mean, it's it's I guess it's gracious that they were taken in
instead of just left to the to the, you know, the West itself,
the town, but you know, whereverright, you know, or sent

(40:26):
somewhere else. But it it is still.
That's kind of what led to all of this.
And then this is sort of the, you know, knowing from some
personal experience, this is sort of the opposite of the
issues we have nowadays where it's hard to get a bed in some
of these facilities because you can't.
Well, the world's changed for the.

(40:47):
Better, the world has changed for the better, but
unfortunately, we don't have enough caregivers in this field.
And you know, my, my heart goes out to people who do this.
Frankie, we appreciate what you do.
It's just that there are not enough people in the world who
take care of the mentally ill And it's, you know, and it, it,

(41:12):
it's good when people don't haveto be in a facility like this.
And we have, we have integrated thing, you know, people into
normal lives and that's a great thing.
Jamie, you're aware every summerI go do a camp for a week and
you know, that's, it's a camp for the mentally handicapped.
And I, I, it brings me so much joy to do that for a week just

(41:34):
to see them having these, these campers coming back year after
year. And when we, we think of
campers, you think of kids. These are not kids.
These are, I do, I do the old, the old people's camp.
And it's, you know, there are people, we had people there who
are 80 years old and some of have been coming since the
1960s. Like it's a great experience.

(41:56):
And I am so glad that we have opportunities to include them in
daily life and and give them things like this and allow them
to do what they what they want to do.
So times have definitely changed.
Absolutely. Well, let, let me, let me, if
you will please let me go back and catch up on a lot of
comments because I was very remiss and engaged what we were

(42:18):
discussing there. I have to figure out where we
left off. There is a lot and I appreciate
you all for doing this too. Thanks for engaging.
Let's see, here's there's some eggs.
OK, So there. Mom kept me in the basement.
Yeah. OK.
This, this is basically Bert saying he would have got dropped
off if he lived in West Virginia.
But with that, there was some conversation between our guests

(42:43):
with each other, which is fun. I want to I want to step back to
this from Todd and Carmela. We were in that room.
Carmela had an experience in theroom where the two guys hung the
patient, which would have been Dave Mason and Big Jim.
And I'd love the, I'd love to get like a little bit more
elaboration on what the experience that Carmella had

(43:03):
there, if possible. If you want to, yeah.
If you can, if you can, or wish either way.
See, wonderful ladies in the criminal war will have fun with
Chad and Jamie. We're fun, right?
Yes, they will. Maybe Tim, one of our tribal

(43:25):
partners, where's Jerry? We're going to lose Jerry Keller
of our team. We always do.
Got to get an air tag on that guy.
It's inevitable we'll lose them in the darkness and tide, Tide
is saying it's a huge place and overwhelming, but you will have
a great time. I hope so.
I said last week we're going in.I'm not sure when we're coming

(43:47):
out, you know, kind of thing. So, and I'm not sure what this
means, but they were good Jamie and that's this was interesting.
I believe the architect at TransAllegheny is the same architect
at the Trenton Psychiatric Hospital in Trenton near them
with Totten Carmela live and Bert says I'm excited and

(44:07):
nervous. Talla has has to have a lot of
emotional energy, more than Pennhurst and.
Which that that's the way I'm leery because.
Right. I remember you're you're going
out to the Paracon. And even before I got to the
gates, I I didn't even realize on what I was on the original
property and I was feeling emotions like you can like I

(44:29):
can't explain. Yeah, I, I think of that, you
know, a lot actually, that you're explaining that situation
and, you know, 'cause things aren't what they used to be.
You know, properties get subdivided.
We, we did the episode on WilsonCastle a while back and, you
know, the, the original grounds for the property were massive
and now it's minor. You mentioned Leap Castle when
you jumped into it last week. I don't know before.

(44:54):
You know, but that has been subdivided down drastically from
its original plot size. So, you know, in the sub,
obviously it's tied all to that land around it.
Yeah. I'm wondering how how far out
from taller we're going to be till we start experiencing some
things. Obviously some of our team mates
are already, you know, getting dreams and other other

(45:15):
connections to it. So it's interesting, it's really
interesting and see how it's going to.
Go. Sorry, I was jumping around.
I didn't mean to pop those up. I wasn't looking.
I was looking at the camera, so I wouldn't even notice.
Go back to the list I mentioned.My favorite is Women Trouble.
Yeah, yeah, me too. And Frankie, you said, oh, man,

(45:36):
looking at that list, I'd be on it for life.
Yeah. No, We know where to find you,
at least. And see, I think we're caught
up. Yeah.
And then Frankie, thank you. I appreciate you both.
Of course. And thanks for doing what you
do. All right, so where are you at

(46:00):
on this? You know, there's a lot and you
did the the lion's share the research to get here to.
This, I mean, I, I, I definitelythink it's, it's got to be
haunted. It's got to have paranormal
activity. I saw a video of their gift
shop. Now, I'm always leery when it's

(46:23):
a security camera shot and something happens that's just on
the edge of the camera. So, you know, somebody could
have pushed it. Their story is that they close
at 6:30, this was or 6:00 and this was at 7:30 and a display
fell over, was like pushed over.I don't know.

(46:43):
But you know, there's things like that happening all around.
And there's a lot of people who get scratched and you know, so
it's definitely, it's not necessarily a safe place.
We, you know, you need to go in and protect yourself and be
wary. And if if you if we feel

(47:03):
uncomfortable, we need to make sure that we take a break and
walk away. Yeah, communication is a key
part of this. And honesty about it?
Absolutely. All right, so Todd got back to
you on I was. Going to click that.
Let me, let me. I got it.
I'm sorry. It's OK, you got it.
So. The the answer to the the issue

(47:24):
the the question of what Carmelaexperienced is she had head
pressure when and this would be a reason to get admitted right
there. Head pressure.
I'm sure that's on the list, right?
Yeah. When the mood was playful and
airy, it was the boy who had hishead stepped on with the bed
frame and then continuing to say.
And when the two guys who did itto him, the mood went heavy.

(47:49):
So I can certainly understand that.
And that's really the go back tomy comment about the Expedition
X episode, is that when they were having the SC session in
that same space, a person stepped out of one of the
maximum security cells with against the laser grid.
I mean, it's a clear person. You can see it.
It's it's, it's kind of like, and you take it for what you
want it to be, right? You know, there is

(48:10):
interpretation, but to me at least, it looks like someone
breaks the plane coming out of that cell where no one should
be. And it's in the time of the call
and response around that SD session.
So which was engaging that person.
So it's, it's, it's compelling to some degree.
I I'm I'm I'm curious to see what we find.

(48:30):
Definitely, yeah. So we just got to get there.
We do so 01 thing Jamie and I didn't cover and you had brought
it up earlier when we saw each other.
I'm looking at some notes off tothe side here.
That's why I'm not looking at the camera cemeteries.

(48:52):
Where is it here? I'm going to read right off the
road unraveled site. While the people were eventually
while some people eventually left the asylum under their own
power, many died there. The staff notified next of kin
when a patient passed away, and in many cases, families did not
return to identify or take the bodies for burial.

(49:13):
Patients who were not claimed bytheir families were assigned a
number number buried in a cemetery and issued a simple
gravestone reflecting only theiridentification number.
Over time, many of the grains gravestones were removed and
even repurposed. Today, there is virtually no way
to identify the bodies buried atthe asylum.

(49:34):
Patients were always buried though they were never cremated.
So, so Jamie, looking at the, wewere looking at the Google map
earlier and there are two very large plots that are marked
cemeteries behind, yeah, behind the facility, which would
probably be part of the, the property at the time.

(49:56):
And it, you know, if we're talking upwards of 30,000
people, it's, you know, definitely would have been a lot
of people, a lot of area. And there's yeah, we have some
of our team mates are down when they're already, you know, I
was, we have a group chat, you know, what kind of thing going

(50:16):
on. And I sent a message.
It's like, hey, by the way, I was just Google earthing, you
know, Google mapping. I'm sorry, you know, Weston to
see what amenities are around it.
Like, you know, there's grocery store, restaurants, what not.
And I couldn't help but notice behind Tala, you know, it's like
to the southwest a bit, there's two sites that are noted, the
cemeteries and on the map, you know, the physical map.
And then as I turned it over to the satellite viewer, realized

(50:38):
that they're out like in the middle of we're off a dirt Rd.
like that has to be, you know, this like plots for the, the
folks who passed and, and Tim and Erica who are out there
already said they went back thatway yesterday.
And that dirt Rd. is, is exactlywhat it seems.
It's very rustic and very narrowat some point.
And they, it was, they got stuckbased, not stuck in the sense of

(51:00):
physically stuck, but they got, they couldn't turn around.
So, you know, it's, it's one of those things where again, when
you put people out of sight, outof mind all the way, you know,
back there kind of thing. And obviously the property was a
lot bigger back then. So I'm not sure if it's even on
site anymore. But it's not, you know, by by
any means. It doesn't look like on the
satellite view. It does not look like a cemetery
as we would expect with head sounds and some kind of markings

(51:23):
of some kind, you know, parameters to to set up.
It, it's, it's pretty much, it'spretty much a popper's field,
which is. It was.
Yeah. Well, that's how the people were
treated, right? If, if no one claimed you and at
least there was burial and not cremation, perhaps, you know,
just to keep in in the sense of last rites.
But there is there is that idea that there, you know, you're a

(51:45):
synonym Mark Rave and you, you might, depending on the day and
and the circumstance, you might not be alone in it.
So wow. You didn't have your own bed
when you were at the facility. You know, absolutely.
I mean that that's, that's one of the things that I find, I
mean, not impossible to believe,but it just it's, you know, bed

(52:08):
rotations. That's well, again, different
era, different time. All right, Thursday at 9:00 PM
can't come quick enough. Just think that in, what, 47
hours we're on, we're in. Yeah, so Virginia, here we come.

(52:33):
And you're, you're heading down tomorrow, aren't you, Jamie?
I am, I am going to leave work asmidge early and then come here
and finish up some stuff I got to do and then hopefully be on
the road and be there between 11:00 and 12:00 tomorrow night,
sleep in a little bit. I have a hotel for the night and
then we'll we'll transition overwith the the Lynches.
So I did just I wanted to drive all in one day and then
investigate all night and. Then blah blah blah so.

(52:56):
I'm getting old. I learned my lesson.
I think I told you this when we went up to the Hinsdale house in
Western New York, drove up that afternoon, did all night and
then turned around after the investigation drove back.
You know, this logistics made itmade it work that way for me
what I needed to do and and man,it was a bad idea.
It was a really bad, the home drive was the bad idea, not the

(53:19):
investigation, not Hinsdale was all right.
But, you know, I made my opinionon that known already.
But, you know, but it's it was one of those things where I
really should not have done it. So lesson learned.
Yeah. So no, I'm, I'm hoping to get a
nap in somewhere on Thursday because I'm driving down on
Thursday, but we'll see. Sure.

(53:40):
So, so and Albert says come on Thursday.
Yeah, exactly. We can't get there fast enough.
Yeah. And then Frankie brings up a
really good point, you know, of the paranormal hangover that
happens all too often. You know, we are right.
We talk about this at the end ofour investigations all the time
to our guests and our public events.

(54:00):
But you know, we're up later than usual.
We've likely had more caffeine than we normally would to stay
up that late. And you know, all of that stuff
is just a dehydrator for our bodies.
And you know, you know, we, you know, those who are out in the
same amount of time, hop in the bars, you know, you wake up with
a hangover in the morning. It's very similar feeling.
Because honestly, it's just dehydration.

(54:21):
You know, alcohol dehydrates. The same thing occurs when we're
not hydrating during the events.No one's, no one brings a, you
know, big bottle of water with them.
So I always tell folks to get your Gatorade or whatever your
brand of electrolyte of choices and chug some water or whatever,
take a couple of aspirin when you get home and you will feel a
whole lot better than if you don't in the morning.
It's from experience. Yeah, so Bert, Bert's got a plan

(54:44):
here. Spoken like a senior gentleman
right there. All right, I like it.
Sounds like a really good plan. And take a take the tour during
the daytime and go back to to the house, take a nap.
So yeah, I'm hoping, I'm hoping to get down there around 1:00
all. Right.
Well, I've been. I've been proven wrong by Doctor
Todd. Alcohol doesn't dehydrate.

(55:05):
OK, That, that's all my that's my dad.
All right, so let's, let's let'smove along and get their stuff
for the close out here and we'llall right, we'll finish packing
you. You want to get to bed, don't
you? I I.
Have so much stuff to do yet tonight?
It's like. All right, so upcoming episodes

(55:25):
next week on the 15th, we're going to talk about Tala again,
but it's going to be the experiences from all of us who
are going down and and those whocan join us, of course.
So we'll keep an eye on that. You know, hopefully we have some
cool evidence or at least reallycool experiences to share.
On the 22nd, we're going to talkto the folks at the Dos House
that is Shawna and Danielle Rigsby.

(55:47):
It's a new location, newly opened location here in South
Central Pennsylvania. It's has a lot of promise and
we're certainly looking forward to having an opportunity to talk
with them and perhaps get out tosee the site ourselves.
I I did see that they had a cancellation, so they've got an
opening. So, and for those not seeing us
here at the Dots House is DOSSHOUSE, not DOS, perhaps now

(56:11):
if you're looking to Google it. And then the 29th, I'm going to
cover the Portland tunnels out in Oregon.
And on the 6th of May, we're going to have a special guest
with Landon Legend Paranormal and our friends Stacy and Greg.
May as well may as well jumped up, sorry.
There another slide there and that that leads up to our
investigation with them coming up on May 17th at Ruby's Brewery

(56:35):
as a para unity event opportunity.
So we have them coming in as a special team to join with us and
our guests at night. So it's really exciting that is
on the horizon now that we're getting into April also be very
soon. And Speaking of investigations,
what's coming up with us? We are going to begin to be
Atala on Thursday, but coming up, we have a public

(56:56):
investigation at Booby's Breweryin Mount Joy, PA on April 26th.
Tickets are still available. On May 17th, we have our Peri
Unity event with Landon Legend Paranormal moving into June,
which is cute, man. June's like halfway through
summer, it feels anyway, it's not, it's not still spring, but
it's just like, wow, warm weather.
Finally, we're going to have another public investigation at

(57:17):
the brewery and we're going to take a field trip on the 28th
out to Crescent for the CrescentParacon and Horror and Paracon
event that day. Chad and I will be there with
some folks from our team, will have a table, a booth, set up
some opportunities to engage with us there.
If you're out and about in Mid State PA, it's a really cool
place. A former sanatorium as well, as

(57:40):
I understand it, used to be owned by the Heinz family back
in the day. It was supposed to be that they
were the ketchup empire. They were supposed it was
supposed to be the summer residence to get him away from
Pittsburgh. And some tragedy befell the
family and it got transitioned to something totally
unexpectedly different. So was its own set of drama and

(58:01):
traumas as well. But cool place and really an
interesting place to investigateas well.
So with the paracons during the day and I think you can't get a
separate ticket to investigate in the evening if you wish.
I believe you're right. So all right, and let's see.
Of course, you can always followus.
You're finding us on Facebook and YouTube tonight here in our

(58:22):
live event. But we're also on all of the
streaming services, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Audible, a
few others as well. So if you're catching us after
the live event, thanks for hanging in with us and catching
up with us here. And we do have obviously our
Facebook page for the team and for our our giant next

(58:43):
paranormal team, but also for uswith Paranormal Lens.
And if you have an interest in sharing something like a thought
for an episode or experiences you're having or anything like
that, you can always shoot us ane-mail at
[e-mail] and I both get that and
we're happy to be happy to bringsomething on to our program now

(59:04):
that you've suggested. We've done it quite a few times
already. We're always willing to move our
schedule around those things yousaw earlier.
We self produce so we can do whatever we want, which is
pretty cool sometimes, right? But that means we can bump stuff
around and you know, we need a little time to research and
again a little bit and you know,we're happy to move it up to the
near the top of the list for youso.

(59:25):
Or we're happy to have somebody else present for us.
That's true. I did.
I reached out to our friend Steve Dills a couple weeks ago.
Jamie. Oh my.
He's ready to come back on anytime we want so.
All right, I got to go on assignment again.
That's been a year, by the way. I, I just was looking at my, you

(59:47):
know, remembering things on Facebook, whatever.
I think it was like memories andwe were, we, I was on site doing
that research for the Haunted Mansion episode right about a
year ago. So it's time for Steve to come
around. He, you know, he and Chris, I
believe, covered my seat that ittook two people to fill in for
me. But you know, that's cool.

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I didn't. I didn't at all.
They were so much better than me.
So we we need we just we need weneed to get you and Steve, you
know, on the same episode you. Know we were we did skate Walker
episode so we did Yep. So so yeah, he's definitely he's
due to come back. I'm excited to see that and
catch up with him too. So, you know, obviously catch up
with what's going on down there.I'm not sure what what Albert

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said would no to here, but. I don't either but did you?
I'm sorry I was not looking at the the pop ups here, but did
you share Robert's comment? About I did not we I know we've
talked about this. There's Bert saying no, but Bert
has a background in, in law enforcement and corrections and

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he used to transport prisoners to and from Crescent when it was
open, which again here in mid state PA was that facility where
folks were dumped very much likeTala.
Oh, I'm sorry, He he did clarifythe no was the the two hour
episode potential? I said three hours, by the way.
So and then, you know, because what you guys don't know, and,

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and this is the fun of it for ussometimes is that, you know, we
have a guest there. We talked before with each
other, of course, to set up getting into the episode, but
then after, once we go through everything, we tend to hang on a
little bit longer as well. I believe we had a 2 full hour
episode with Ron Yakoveti and Lourdes Gonzalez a while back
and then afterwards I think we still had another 45 minute

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conversation after. That, yeah, and I think it was
like 15 minutes before and. Yeah.
So and that's, that's fantastic time with fantastic people.
Never going to complain about that.
But you know, it's one of those things where you, it's what you
don't see. Yeah.
Leading into it and leading out of it.
So yeah. Frankie said Crescent is another
intense location. So I I've not been there yet,

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but it's definitely on my list, yeah.
Well, we will be there coming out.
So it's going to be a be a pretty exciting day, so.
All right, well, Jamie, I know you want to get get going so you
can get packed and get everything right there, so.
I get, I get packing to do, I get they got dogs to walk all
kinds of stuff. So I'm going to see bed
eventually, but you know, Chad, thank you.

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Thank you for covering this. And and, you know, really doing
a deep dive into the intricaciesof it.
You know, this is this was, thisis sensitive stuff.
And you know, and setting the stage for us to get there this
week, you know, it really helps me as well.
What I thought, what I think I know isn't everything,
obviously, and, and you're only covered some of the the key
points and I appreciate that making sure we're all prepared,

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but we're going to walk into an experience.
So, and we're excited for next week.
You know, I'm already excited. I mean, I want, I don't want
this to pass, you know, get I don't want to look over the the
event and being there, but I'm really looking forward to
getting everyone together and talking about it after as well.
It's going to be super cool. Yeah, definitely so.
All right, all. Right.
Well, on that note, we will see everybody well if all things

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work correctly, we will see everybody hope we.
Hope we'll see you all next week.
So we'll see some of you on Tuesday or Thursday and we'll
see the rest of you next Tuesday.
So good night. Thanks everybody and we will see
you soon.