Land and Legend Paranormal Joins the Show!

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The. Good evening and welcome to the
Paranormal Lens by Jotnik's Paranormal.
My name is Chad Thomas and JamieWidener is over there.
It's a Tuesday night, so this iswhere we're at.
How are you, Jamie? I'm.

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I'm wonderful, Sir. What's?
Going on with you getting through that last work push that
I've been, you know we've been on that work push for like 2
months, getting through that last little bit and winding down
as of Friday all our big stuff is going to ship and we are
going to have a nice relaxed weekend.

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Fantastic. So so anyway, what about you?
What's? You know, it's, it's been a good
week. It's been pretty calm and, you
know, quiet for once. So no complaints there.
We did have some as we went off the air last week.
I was summoned, you know, to the, to another room to, to get
an announcement. So we have a decision.

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This is true. College, you know, for the
graduating senior. So, Penn State, Maine, here we
come. Yep.
Oh my. Zoe's.
Zoe's very well. Zoe's as excited as Zoe gets
about that, so yeah. Yeah, I tried to get a we R out
of her and I got a no. So apparently theater kids don't
do that. No.

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Not yet anyway, but there was 1 the theater breakfast was
Saturday morning and apparently all there's four of them and
from the graduating class all going to Maine.
So they they got together and took a picture and did did we
are and I don't know how enthusiastic it was, but it
happened. So there's time to practice.
We got all summer. Yeah, definitely.

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I'm bantering a little bit here because I just realized there
was one thing I haven't fixed yet.
So keep. Going, although style I'll keep
riffing here then, huh, right, You know, it's it's been it's
been kind of funny too. We came we came out of going

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through like the Tala stuff, butwe haven't had a physical
investigation in a while and youknow, coming up in a week next
weekend, you know, which is why we're going to talk with Gary
and Stacy with Landon legend coming to join us.
But I'm so excited to get back to, to the brewery and, and
really hit the ground again because it's been for me, it's
been a while. I missed the April
investigation. I shouldn't say we haven't, I

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haven't had an investigation at the brewery in a while.
I was elsewhere on the 26th and you know, I know you guys had a,
a pretty active or interesting night, but you know, I just
realized it's been a while for me, you know, and I, we had an
issue with the, with the February 1 and March 1.
So it's been a minute. Yeah.
So well, and it's, it'll be goodbecause we're bringing another

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team in to work with us. So that'll be interesting, Yeah.
And exciting. So yeah.
So let's catch up to some comments real quick.
We have Jenny Davis is with us. Hey everyone, we have Brandon
Cooper. Hello.
Hello, Brandon. And I see we have Jim with us.

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Jim Bernardo. Hey, everybody.
Hey, Jim, good to see you. Welcome and see you Chad Tard
and Carmella are back from Tala and evening Chad and Jamie and
another comment there. I hope you're both having a
great week so far and Congrats to both kids college decisions.
I want to be clear on this. There's only one kid.
So and this I, I, I think it's probably time to explain this

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right again. Again, I guess what we explain
it to in a in a different setting.
But so Chad has two kids and an ex-wife, OK, His ex-wife is my
current so his kids. And and when I say my kids and
his kids, they're the same because they swap houses here
all the time, which it adds the layer to this dynamic, I guess,

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at least a little bit. And maybe strange for some, but
it's kind of like the Modern Family concept.
And it works. It works.
Yeah, works pretty well actually.
And specifically, you'll see Emmett joining both episodes
from both home, whatever home they're at that week.
But Zoe is the behind the scenesperson as a lighting designer
and so forth, literally in the theater program, but on the back

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in the back house. So not coming in front of the
camera anytime soon. That's why they waited until the
episode was over last week instead of coming in this now.
So but it it's kind of fun. So, all right, I, I think I'm
set, Jamie, sorry about. That let me finish up the
comments here Bert. Bert's here says hello Wall,

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Todd and Carmella. FYI, Tala was awesome
Investigation again. Oh, there were bats.
I saw some of this in some of their posts.
I may have screamed like a little girl.
OK, I'm not going to doubt you on that one.
I, I would if we have a story about a bat at West Virginia
Penitentiary as well. So it, it was the biggest bat
I've ever seen. It had to be like 12 feet long,

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wide. I don't remember being that big,
I mean. Blocked out the the sun, well it
was dark and then we get the gist.
But yeah, that's, that's, that'sthe expect the unexpected moment
when when you get, you know, dive bombed by a bat.
And especially if it's dark, youknow, what the heck was that?
And you're already on alert for being in a, you know, location.

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So things happen. Jim, Congratulations, my 2 dads.
It's it's something like that. So but anyway, tonight we're
talking with some with our friends from Land and Legend
Paranormal. Stacey Lee is a Reiki master,
Earth whisperer, and gifted psychic, and the heart behind

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the rustic spirit, A traveling haven of handcrafted
metaphysical treasures and healing energy.
Gary is a devoted secret of the unknown, a paranormal
investigator deeply immersed in the mysteries of
extraterrestrials and the elusive Bigfoot.
Drawn together by fate and a shared calling, they formed Land
and Legend Paranormal, a sacred alliance devoted to assisting

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those touched by spirits encrypted alike.
When not walking between worlds,they invite others into their
own realm through becoming enchanted with the rustic
spirit. Their podcast?
So let's bring in Stacy and Gary.
Hey, guys. You you didn't do the applause
this time. No, you know, I'm sorry.
I was, I was going the wrong wayhere.

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I got to click a button. Hold on, I I almost hit the
wrong button too, that would have been the air horn like that
so sorry. All right guys, welcome.
Thanks for coming in tonight. How y'all doing?
We are good. Thank you.

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Thanks for having us. Well.
Sure. We we got some some stuff coming
up together. So we we figured, why not get to
hang out and see what's going on?
I know I'm actually really excited to want to work with you
and where's Gary? There's Jenny up there with her
comment. That's the they actually
they're, it's an inside joke. They have T-shirts 'cause when

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and, and you guys will learn this and, and, and I, I've had
to like coach him multiple times.
Like we are leading, helping to lead this investigation.
You cannot wander off. He's a wanderer.
And so is Jenny. So we're all investigating and
we don't know where Jenny is. We don't know where Gary is.
And we're like, where's Jenny? Where's Jenny?
Where's where's Gary? And so I had shirts made that he

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has one that says where's Jenny?And Jenny has one that says
where's Gary? Mine says where's Gary and
Jenny? So.
It sounds like we know not to toto team to Gary up with which is
Jerry who does the same thing atour investigations.
Yeah. We know a lot about this.
We lose Jerry all the time and. You always have one.

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You always have the one. There's that one.
Yeah, we always have. Like, stay.
Tell him to stay with your people you know.
We're we're investing in air pods for them Stacey.
So maybe that's the way to. Air tags?
Yep. Air tags.
Air tags where they at? Where he's usually in the
darkest, scariest corner that noone else wants to go.
That's usually where he's at. That's Jerry as well.

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So perfect kindred spirits rightthere.
Kindred spirits, definitely. Jenny's usually off taking
pictures. She's a photographer, so she's
usually off, you know, with someartistic venture in her brain, a
shot that she wants to get so. I I understand that I get that.
That's true. So there is literally one in

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every group, or two maybe? You know what, do you notice
that like in paranormal teams, there are just, I don't wanna
say stigmas or but there's certain characters that each
person plays and roles and yeah.Yeah, but you're right, you're
right. And you know, it it, it doesn't

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matter how big the team is either, you know, tight, small
group or large, you know, everybody has that kind of
place. And, you know, we're all in this
for the same reasons. You know, we're trying to
understand things that we don't explain, things we can't
understand or don't know, learn things that we haven't gotten
before. And you know, like that's the
whole part of it. But, you know, it takes a little
bit of everybody's nuances to get there and the skills,

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talents and traits that everybody brings, you know,
it's, it's really cool. And yeah, it, it, it always
works. So.
And it makes it fun it because you, you like to have these
different personalities and thenyou have a good time because
it's yes, we're there to get theevidence and to find, you know,
the answers to the mysteries of the unknown.
But we're also there to have a good time and to be a community

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together. And you know it.
It's it's for fun as well. Right.
Yeah, I I think the word, the keyword to what you just said,
there was personalities. There are definitely a lot of
them, in a good way, A very goodway.
Yes, yes, you. Know you found your people when
you're in the. Paranormal, exactly.
So absolutely you got to accept all of them.

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So, So what got you guys into the paranormal?
You know, everybody has a story.Stacey, do you want to start
and, and let us what, what, whatdragged you into this?
Oh, I've been in my entire life,not investigating my entire
life, but it's always been part of my life.
My family was, you know, we werea believer.
I grew up in a family that was very open to spirits.

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I grew up Catholic, so it was Irish Catholic.
So there was a lot of demons around.
Everything was a demon. But I kind of grew up in, in
understanding like that, that wejust live in the spirit realm.
And, you know, I was able to seeand hear spirits, smell things.
And so it was very accepted. And I, I never faced what a lot

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of psychics do where they get, you know, condemned or, or shut
down. So that it's always been my, my,
in my background. And it wasn't until, and I would
do a little things like I, I, I was always exploring as a child.
I remember we had like a bunch of urban legends.
There's a covered bridge. And we, the, the myth was if you

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drive the covered bridge in the middle of the night, you turn
your lights off, your car's going to move, you know, So we
were always out there doing those type of things and, you
know, finding those urban legends and finding that the
local ghosts. And then life got in the way and
I stopped. And it wasn't until I met Gary
again that we realized we had both had a passion together with

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it. And we we had our first together
experience, which kind of sent us on this journey.
Do you want me to say it or do you want to talk about the
together experience at the orphanage?
Yeah. Go ahead.
So I was trying to figure out which one.
You were talking. About we we are lovers of
history so we ended up going to Gettysburg.

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We we like early in our dating years.
We've been together 10 years andI want to say about a year into
it, we started going and hangingout in Gettysburg and, you know
doing the Gettysburg things and that's we ended up going to the
orphanage for one of their nighttime investigation tours.
It was night as a what not just like a daytime tour and we were

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video recording. He of course is wandering into
the pit. I don't know if you've ever been
to the orphanage, but you know, he's going into the pit.
But right as we started, we wererecording the lady talking and
giving us the the rundown in thehistory.
And we didn't notice until laterwhen we got home and I'm I'm
listening to the watching the video, listening to the audio.

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Within like 30 seconds of the audio, the video started.
You get this, we're bad. These kids singing it like class
AEVP And you know, we're the we've been watching the shows.
We've been doing all the things and, and, and just really had an
enthusiasm for it, but never waslike, oh, we're investigators.
And then that we got hooked and we're like, now we're going to

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go find all the evidence, go to all the places and do all the
things. And it it really hooked us
getting that class AEVP at the orphanage.
So that's kind of how him and I got our start together.
Cool. So Gary, what's, what's your
background? What, what brought you into it?
I mean, obviously you were doingStacy like.

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I was always into the UFO thing and Bigfoot.
He got a younger, yeah, at a younger age.
I would see things, but I reallynever paid no mind to it.
It. It didn't bother me, but it was

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like, yeah, OK, you know what I mean?
Until we started getting, we gottogether and that and then it
just made me wanted to go out and start investigating.
I would, I would always often like see things.

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So it was kind of always there. Gary has a gift too.
He just doesn't. Yeah, I don't.
He doesn't advertise. It.
No, I don't. But yeah, it was always there.
But yeah, I think the working age with us is kind of what
really made me want to go out and do things more, OK?
You know what? About that experience you had in

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your apartment before we met. And that's how we, we, one of
the things we connected when he told me this experience about
that being in the lady who had just died right in the end of
your bed, remember? Oh, yeah.
Where's that fire down the road?And I mean, I've seen stuff

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before this, when I was a littleyounger than this happened.
That was probably about 2122. There was a fire down the road.
And I didn't, I didn't know any of this.
I knew the fire was there. And this woman, I guess, tried

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to get out of her house and actually burn to death.
And it was a couple days later and I was laying there in bed
and some I was sleeping and thissomething woke me up.
And I lifted my head and I looked at the in the doorway and

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there was this woman, maybe likeStacy's height, but a little
taller, but around her height, alittle more voluptuous.
And here to find out it was the lady down the road that had
burned to death. And I was, I could see her plain

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as day, but it was dark in the room, so I couldn't see like
detailed details. You know, it was there.
That wasn't my first time, but that's kind of like really, I
think was a jump start then and then short, I don't know,
several years after. That's when I met Stacy and told

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her about it and I would tell her things all the time and she
would think I'm crazy sometimes.And then she started.
Bringing her, He just thought, Ithought he was crazy.
But. That was an instance there.
Like say I was seeing stuff before that.

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I don't know. It's it's kind of always been
there. I was younger, younger.
It was I think it was there, butI really maybe didn't pay much
mind to it because it was just it was like nothing to me, you
know what I mean? Yeah, it.
Wasn't I think it was the the magic was like when we got

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together and you know, we were supposed to meet it like that,
that whole story. That's for another day.
But when we got together, it just, it developed and, and that
it, it sparked both of our abilities back again and brought
us to where we are now, you know, and doing this and doing
this stuff together. It it's interesting how another

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person's abilities can help growyour abilities, isn't it?
Like, and it sounds like that's what's happened with you guys.
Like your, your, the, your two sets of abilities have helped
develop each other's and that's sort of cool.
So. Yeah, absolutely.
Like, well, she said. Like I'm in the Bigfoot things.
He's always chasing the UFS. I've seen things very close to

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the ground and the sky, so that always.
I I wasn't on board with it at first.
I really was like, until I had my first experience with it and
I'm like, I always believed, yes, I, I believe I, I, you
know, not that we're not, we're the only ones in the universe.
I don't believe that we are the only ones.
But I never really believed thatthey were here.

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You know, I was like, oh, they're just living on some
other planet over there doing their thing.
And until like he started showing me things and, and
showing all this stuff. And then I had my first
experience and I'm like, I couldn't, I couldn't debunk it.
And I was like, and I was with him and I'm like, OK, all right,
I believe you now. That's that sounds really

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interesting. May may have to hang out with
you some sometimes here Gary. Yeah, I watch him.
Oh, yeah. Oh.
Yeah, I see. That's all the time I watch him.
Yeah, I see this sometimes. He points up there in a big
light and all that stuff and. You got to, I'd say this all the
time. You got to go outside sometimes
and just look up, you know, and you know, we don't do the first

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part well often enough anymore. We, we don't go outside enough,
you know, like spend that time in, in, you know, not even in
nature, just being in our, you know, our properties, looking
around. And then, you know, the night
sky is obviously doesn't have tobe night time, but the night sky
obviously gives away a lot of things because it's dark and
everything against it, but it's lighter.
You can tell it's there. But yeah, you, you really do see

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amazing things. And you know, Gary, I'm I'm sure
you noticed this too. But you know, the East Coast is,
is kind of light polluted. So, you know, you have to get
out away from things that, you know, the, the towns and the
cities to get a good light nightsky.
But when you see it, man, it's just like, it's amazing just how
much, how many stars there are, how big everything is.
It's so cool. If we go up to a cabin in the

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mountain, perfect mountains nearWoodward, it's Woodward.
It's. Near outside of Penn State State
College and it like there's no light pollution up there.
It's a Bald Eagle State Park and.
It's. Like things that you see up
there and then Outer Banks and we stayed on the Outer Banks the
same way. Like we saw some things that

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like looking up night one night at the Outer Banks, it was like,
why is? That and I, I've seen things
when I was younger coming back from archery hunting and, you
know, we're not far from TMI and, and sure stuff like that.
And we're kind of in a little bit of a hot spot very close to

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the ground. And, you know, so.
Oh yeah, I mean, not all of themis like just looking way up and
going Oh yeah. What?
You know, I've, yeah, I've seen a couple things very close.
So sure. OK, I am suffering with some
poison, something on my skin andI I'm itchy a lot.
So if you see me just like moving around and and yeah, I

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got lots of itches right now. OK.
It's that time of year, it's it's come out and it's and.
I spend a lot of time in the woods, so.
Well, you were. You were camping this past
weekend, I believe, Correct? You were out.
Of the we were at the at the Mayday Fairy Festival yes and it
was at Rocky Rocky Point State Park, which is in Essex, MD and

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apparently they are very into letting nature do what nature
wants to do and there was just like Ravens like running through
this patch of like low growing like stuff and I'm like oh she's
having fun look she likes to that's where she likes to go
poop so I'm like going in there with her and she getting all
over then someone's like yeah that's Virginia creeper.

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I'm not allergic to Poison Ivy, but apparently I'm allergic to
Virginia creeper and I think that's what it was called or
something like that, but. Yeah, yeah.
Well, I'm sorry you're you're going through that, but.
Thank you. So was it a good event then
other other than that? It was amazing for all looking
with the fairies doing it's justit's just one of those events

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that are just very like they. The event started 33 years ago,
so the 33rd one with a group of friends that just got together
to celebrate Beltane Mayday withtheir own little celebration of
the farm in Glen Rock, PA. And then which that grew into
what it is today and, and they still like this isn't about

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making money. It isn't about any of that.
It's about just getting a group of people together.
And now a very large, like 10,000 to 20,000 people come to
this event, A very large group of people together to celebrate
the coming of summer and Beltaneand, and, and bringing in the

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fairy realm to help grow and allof those elemental type
properties. But they feed us, they, they,
the vendor fees are very low. It's very hard to get into.
It took me 5 years to get into them.
And you can just tell it's one of those events that people are
just there to have a good time. It's not about, you know, making

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money. So one of our listeners,
Heather, just put this comment about when I was little, my
family camped at Woodward. My dad tells me stories about
the crazy things they've seen inthe sky there.
One time, fighter jets were checking out the objects that
were in the sky. Really in Woodward?

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Oh, I got chills yeah. I've never seen the fighter
jets, but yeah, there is a lot of crazy things in the sky.
They're like they're crazy and not just alien.
There's a lot of Cryptid like noises you hear at night and
she's in the middle of nowhere, middle of Amish country.
No, no phone signal, no nothing.It's and I know Woodward Camp.
So if she's talking about Woodward Camp which is on, I

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guess it's at Woodward Rd. I don't know what the name of
the road is, but by Woodward Cave we're right down from
Woodward Cave. The cabin is what about a mile
on the left from Woodward Cave? So.
Right by the Maple syrup place. When there are no addresses, you
use landmarks, right? Yeah, there it really they I

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don't. The syrup shop, Yeah.
Yeah, this is like boondock camping, like it's waters fed
from the mountain coming down. It's it's definitely roughing
it. It's not you're clamping.
It's not clamping. I mean, there's a cab in there,
but it's it's definitely a very artistic put together cabin, so.
Yeah, very, Yeah, very artistic.Yeah, yeah, Heather, to the same

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place I see it. You guys tried it?
We both worked up at the same time.
Sorry, Chad. That's all.
Right. I paused even to wait for you to
do it at the. Same time so, so Heather, I got
it on my phone so I didn't see it on here.
Fair enough. So cool.
I have a question for you then. All right, so considering that,

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you know, you're seeing oddity things in the night sky and
there there are sounds from cryptids, do you ever did you
ever consider making the connection that they are the
same? Like, you know, that's one of
the things I think we miss sometimes like that the fact
that an unusualness of somethingthat is and Bigfoot's a great
example, You know, it's the the world's best, you know, hide and

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seek player ever. You know, what if, what if it's
just not here on a regular basisand it comes and goes and we
have something that they like here, you know, like we're,
we're the stop for dessert afterdinner, you know, so, or
something like that around the universe.
And I, I've always wondered that, you know, and it, it's to
my mind at least, it makes sense, you know, whether it's a

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UFO, whether it's a portal of some kind or something, you
know, there was just because we would find something by now with
all the time we've spent out andall the energies we've been, you
know, we all as a collective have created around it, you'd
think we'd find something and. Why are all the photos blurry?
I've, I've like Bigfoot. I, I feel there's both in the

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flesh and the crypted part, you know, because they say a lot of
people say where you see the UFOsightings, you know, there's
Bigfoot sightings. I don't know, I I feel there's a
lot. Of correlation I.
Feel there's both flesh and you know the the crypted part,
wherever you want to call it that.

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That's my opinion because like, you know, like.
Mine's a little different. Seeing like UFOs and stuff, the
ones that I've seen close to theground, you know, someone was
like pretty much in the city. One was kind of out in the
country. When I mean say close, I mean

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like we're talking less than 300feet off the ground.
I don't know. I I feel there's both that
that's just my opinion. I feel there might be a
correlation there. So yeah.

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Well, you know, if you go, if you go up to the north and you
get into like the northern tier of the US and it's certainly
into Canada, you know, the, the concept of the Wendigo comes in.
Oh, don't. Say that out loud.
Too late or we did. So the idea that this is a
spirit as much as it is a physical thing as part of the,

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the first people's culture. I won't say it again, I promise.
You know, the idea of that is, is already there.
So why wouldn't it be true elsewhere?
If, if it's believed to be, you know, I, I, I think it's a
fascinating concept. It is I it I'm.
Not working anymore either though.
You know, like that's, that's part of it, but.

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Yeah, I kind of have a similar belief.
I have a Native American background.
Yeah, my, my, my grandmother is Cherokee, 7 Native American
background and IA lot of my workings are shamanic.
So, you know, there's a heart ofme like I I call in Bigfoot
almost as a protector of the forest and protector of the

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land. And I feel like that him and
other cryptids, they're very elemental type creatures that
that are, that have come in, have been been invoked by
different tribes and different things like that way that would
be here. And then I know in other

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countries that it there's indigenous that have done the
same. Like I have a Druid background
too 'cause you know, my grandfather was Irish.
So we kind of have both. And so you have like, there's
things that were there that theywould invoke and bring into the
land to protect. So is is Bigfoot just a
elemental creature, just like a fairy, just like a dryad, just

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like, you know, all of the otherthings that that have so many
different names. And you know, my biggest thing
is like you might laugh at me for this one, but I always ask
people this Mothman, that's my favorite Cryptid is isn't
Mothman. Wouldn't he just be a big fairy

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Mothman fairy, part of the dark fairy realm, but a big fairy,
you know, like so I have a more,I want to say romantic.
I don't know romantic or or elemental type view for the
cryptids. As for aliens, they do have more
of that interdimensional ancientalien type knowledge where

(29:46):
they're star beings like that. They are part of this collective
energy of, of who we all are. And they have been here and and
you know, that is, I think that is more along with the belief
that I have for, for those. Is there a connection?
Possibly we found it yet? No, but I do think there's some

(30:07):
sort of connection. I just don't know what it is.
It's a really cool way of thinking, you know, explaining
some of these things like that Ihadn't made.
I'm dabbling a little bit in it but haven't made some of these
bigger connections. So it's interesting being
enlightened on it so. So we can classify you as like a

(30:30):
reptilian. No, I don't know if you've,
you've like, there's a holistic gathering that I do that, you
know, very much believe in Star seeds and very much believe that
like I had Tim Conwell on my my podcast and he's into that train
of thought, like very much into the thought that these are that
the aliens are more this conscious energy of different

(30:57):
type from different planets thathave come and bred with us.
And, you know, we all have part of that star seeds, so to speak,
very woo woo. It is very woo woo when you
start getting into it. Yeah, it very is.
Yeah, the the more I dig into ancient, like our, our ancient

(31:18):
history on Earth and what's there and like how some of these
things were done. It's like how?
How was that possible? And some of the the the the the
the hieroglyphs and and and and the the stone, The Cave carvings
like. And the the facts that the fact
that there's cave carvings from this side of the world, cave

(31:39):
carvings from Europe that are sosimilar, there was no way that
to our knowledge that they were travelling back and forth these
thousands of miles, but yet these symbols are so similar.
How did it happen? There has to be some sort of
connection like that. Exactly.
So yeah. Oh, definitely.

(32:00):
Yeah, yeah. And the pyramids, I mean.
Easter Island, like there's so much, so much more than the
pyramids of these structures that have been built with these
mathematical concepts that we donot, like, barely have the
knowledge today to do. The the latest one that I saw

(32:23):
was a solid marble stone that was drilled out was cored out
perfectly. Perfect circle.
Perfect. Circle in a time and the core
was perfect. They had both pieces in a time
that copper tools were the only tooling that they had.

(32:44):
So like how is that possible? It just.
That's I don't know if I was watching Ancient Aliens one time
or, or one of the other ones, and if I remember vaguely, I
might have it wasn't above ground.
It was kind of like, I'm going to say Cavish because it's been
a long time since I've seen it, but it was like this, this

(33:06):
marble ish type stone and it wassmooth.
And they brought these experts and and and had these squares
and everything was like perfect and and like they were like you
just said, they don't know how they could have did that, you
know, thousands of years ago. Perfect.

(33:27):
To the T, you know, and it's like, yeah, some, there's got to
be some kind of correlation there.
Definitely, Yeah, Yeah. Do you get a thought, Jamie?
I can tell. This invokes this type of
conversation invokes a lot of thought.
Like there's a lot of questions but not a lot of answers.

(33:52):
Jamie, we we can't hear you. You're muted.
I knew that you. Said earlier, you always have
problems with your audio. No, it was me.
I'm, I'm in my office in in our house and the kitchen is not too
far away and someone's banging some dishes around and I'm like,

(34:12):
you know, so muted to avoid the noise now forgot I was there.
OK, so deep thought. OK, it circles me back to my
thought and and a curious question is how or why or when
did you decide to do your own podcast, The Restic Spirit?
How did you get there? So I, he's just been along for

(34:39):
the ride. I had a bunch of people like
kind of suggested my one of my first degrees.
I went to school for mass communications.
I started school as mass communications.
I wanted to be a journalist and I learned, you know, did all my,
I did the first year and I had ajournalist teacher said this

(35:01):
isn't the field for you basically.
And like broke my heart because I wanted so bad to be an
investigative journalist. And so it's always kind of been
my like, I've always wanted to have some type of radio show or
podcasts and stuff like that. So I was doing lives and I was

(35:23):
doing like, my lives would turn into just not like live
readings. It would be a lot of like
conversations and talking about these topics.
And I'm like, I really enjoy this.
And I forget who. It might have been Pam Berry
that suggested that I do it fromthe Hoover house.
I'm pretty sure it would have been Pam that suggested, hey,
why don't, why don't you just doit?

(35:44):
And she kind of encouraged me and gave me that, that push that
I needed. I, I believe I'm, I'm almost
certain it was her, it was a couple other people as well, but
she's the one that sticks out most of my mind.
Like, like just do it. Just just go do it.
If it fails, it fails. And I'm, you know, I'm seeing
other people do it and I'm not trying to copy, but I'm like,
well, if they can do it, like maybe I have something to bring

(36:06):
to this too, you know, and kind of made it my own.
It's evolved over the it's been about a year and a half now I've
been doing it and it's evolved and, and changed a couple times.
And, you know, I had a prior Co host and that couldn't work out.
And then I just tried by myself and then I decided to bring Gary

(36:27):
on as my Co host, you know, but it's just, I love hearing from
people. I love talking to people and,
you know, and, and hearing different knowledge and
different stories and, but I also liked encouraging others
and I like bringing people on and help promote them and help
bring them to, you know, I've had people in that are very

(36:50):
nervous to come on and, and talkabout what they do.
And I'm like, just do it. Come on.
We're very laid back, like just to help put other people out
there and build others up, you know, kind of a community type
of thing. So I think that's where that
color he, like I said, he just kind of follows along.

(37:10):
It is definitely more my thing than his thing.
He's just the face of it, you know, He, he's, he's the beauty.
About beauty. Yeah, I'm.
I've, I've listened to trying tolead up to this and you know, I,
I, I got that as you described it.
I really got that from it. You know, I, the conversational

(37:31):
sense, you know, the and, and you know, you have a, you have a
good, a good perspective of just, let's just talk.
You know, like, and you know, I say this all the time, but you
know, when sometimes you just need to listen, but sometimes
you need to hear. And you know, when you're at an
investigation, sometimes it's best just to sit and be quiet
and let, let the place come to you, you know that you're at and

(37:54):
let it let it tell you its secrets instead of trying to ask
for things. You know, this is a dog and pony
show, you know, that way, like do that for me, you know, like
these aren't trained monkeys. So you know, the idea though,
that you know what I've gatheredat least from your, the three or
4 episodes, I haven't heard themall.
I'm sorry. I'll get there, I will.
But you know, the idea that you,you have a, you're kind of a

(38:15):
community, you know, and you know, it's nice when you can
bring in people that you're likeminded, you know, and those who
know you, it's comfortable, you know, and even for that person
who's nervous, you know, you bring the comfort then.
And I thought I was, I was really impressed and I think
you're doing it right. So congratulations and please
keep going. That means so much to me.
Thank you so much because I've many times I've I've ready to

(38:36):
throw in the towel, be like, no,this isn't it, but it, it, it
really has become my heart and soul like and, and I really
enjoy it and, and not so much. It's more just like I said about
that community, that friendship,that let's have a chat and, you
know, having a good time on a Thursday evening.

(38:57):
You know, sometimes I do go on Tuesdays depending on my SO.
Sorry, sometimes I do overlap with you guys but depending on
my guest availability. Usually not off when they're
coming on. Yeah, So that's something that I
always like. I wanted, I want different
people. I want different perspectives.
I want to hear it all. I want to soak in knowledge.

(39:19):
I'm a, I'm a, I'm a knowledge seeker.
And so I love that. Yeah, that's cool.
Absolutely. Well, you know, none of us are
the, the authority of everything, you know, and I
think it's important that we share each other, You know, this
is the community part of it. This is why we're doing our
event with you, you know, the, the whole unity thing of, of
just bringing different perspectives.

(39:39):
You know, we've, we've investigated Boobies brewery for
years, years and years. And I don't know, 100 and some
odd Times Now well over 100 times, you know, for myself, I,
you know, I'm sure I missed a couple events here and there.
So, you know, but, but we don't know at all.
And, and it would be a, I'd be afool to say that I do by any
means, you know, regardless how many years I've been out,

(39:59):
whether it's 20 years or five years or, you know, whatever,
you can always learn from someone else.
And you just have to be willing.You have to listen.
You have to, you know, engage and, and put the work in.
But if there's something for everyone with the when you're
with someone else. Yeah, absolutely.
Like there is, there's always someone, someone brings people
to bring different things to thetable every, every time you

(40:21):
know, there's always different evidence, there's always
different perspectives and viewsthat if you're willing to keep
your eyes open and heart open tosee those, you know, it, it, it
can help us all grow, you know, and help us really know and
understand the mysteries. So.
Here's a good question that Heather know you didn't miss
this Heather wants to know how do you know Jotnicks?

(40:49):
I got trapped with Melissa on a bus looking for the Alba twitch
and I thought I was going to die.
Not because of Melissa. We've all had similar
experiences with her. No, seriously, I've, well, I've
known jotnicks. I've seen you guys.
I've, I've, I've followed like boobies has always been
something like, like I said, we've gone there a lot of times,

(41:12):
just have dinner and drinks and,you know, we did one of our
anniversary dates down in the catacombs and, you know, it's
always been a, a spot for us that we've enjoyed and it, it
was so I always, OK, look who's the team here And I, that's why
I started following you guys andjust kind of like keeping thing
out. And then we did Alba Twitch last

(41:33):
year. And I think Melissa and I might
have already been friends on Facebook just through
connections of other people. And I was already following Jot
Nix. And then we did that Alba Twitch
and we ended up doing the tour together.
And I realized that she's now myspirit animal.
We have we have very similar energy.

(41:55):
And we so Rick took us down intothe the dungeons of the
marketplace and we're in there. We're sneaking off, you know,
but he's got the group of people.
But we're like going down in thedark corners and doing her.
And I was like, yeah, this is mypeople.
So Gary was influencing you? There.

(42:16):
Yeah, so and it was like this just this is my people.
I just felt a connection and I guess that's where it's all let
from there. So I remember to meet up with
her and do something, but our schedules never match.
I remember hearing the exact same story from Melissa when
shortly after that So and, and I've run into US paracons and

(42:40):
different things where, you know, I, it's always great to
stop by and, and say hi and justtalk and, and chat with you
'cause it's always a great experience so.
Yes, exactly. And I'm sometimes I can be very
like shy, believe it or not, andand reserved like OK, do I want
to go up to this person? Do I want to, do I want to say

(43:00):
hello? Are they, how are they going to
perceive me? And you know, 'cause I, I can be
a lot. There's a lot in this little
little package. I'm sorry he has to deal with
it. Yeah.

(43:20):
So that was that was a good question and great background.
So I appreciate that so. You guys are too.
I love what you guys do and the more I followed you, the more I
started seeing things, I startedrealizing like, you know, you
guys are kind of the real deal. It's more about that community
for you guys and and having a good time but also finding those

(43:42):
answers. Yeah, and, and you got to, you
got to get out and do stuff like, you know, I mean, I'm not,
I'm not advocating people go andspend every weekend in the field
and, and dropping a, you know, apaycheck on events that you have
to go to. But, you know, the more you can
get out and connect with people,the more you realize that you're
not alone. And there are so many, you know,
you find your people, you find your, your, your group.

(44:03):
And next thing you know, like I,I, we joke about this a lot, but
you know, a couple years ago, Chad was interested in the
paranormal but didn't know how to do it.
So I bought him a ticket to one of our events as a birthday
present. And.
The next month, there he was again, on his own dime, you
know, on his own ticket. And the next month.
And the next. Month he just he's.

(44:25):
Like, he's like a lost puppy, you know, in a good way.
And I said that, Melissa said, you know, we probably should
talk to him about this, you know, and here we are, what, two
years later? Three years.
Later I forgot. How long it's been anymore?
But you know, it's just, it's what what happens, you make that
connection. And you know, again, we, we in
the field, I think a lot of times were considered to be
strange to people who, who don'tget it, you know, and it's kind

(44:48):
of in my house at least. You know, the funniest thing I
may have ever said was I was told, I was told going out to an
investigation not to bring anyone home with me.
And I said, well, what about theones that are already here?
You know, and that look I don't think I'll ever forget.
This is also why you buy a comfortable couch.

(45:09):
I I know that look, Jamie, yeah.Well, we like, I'm all about
like, OK, that's we have a very old home, lots of things going
on here and I want to investigate and I've done a
little bit, but he's like, Nope,no investigation.
On the home. Do you guys investigate your
home Like, I don't know, yeah. No, but like, yeah, I, I don't

(45:34):
live in an, I live in a, in a modern townhouse, which doesn't
mean there's nothing here. But like I, my dad lives in the,
the farmhouse, an old farmhouse,1818 sixties farmhouse that I
grew up in that house and he still lives there.
He will not let me investigate there while he's like, while
he's still living there. And it was taunted.

(45:56):
We know it's haunted. He had had tons of experiences.
Actually, in a couple weeks I'm doing an episode on the
experiences that different people have had there.
Oh, wow. But it's where's it at, Can I
ask? It's South of Gettysburg.
It's a town called Littlestown. I, I, I, yeah, I know
Littlestown. I work in Littlestown, so I have
a client in Littlestown. Oh, well, that's, that's where I

(46:17):
grew up. And yeah.
Oh, OK. So I'll, I'll tell you off air
where his house is, 'cause you, you may drive by it so.
I probably do and I probably have.
There's been a couple places that I've been driving through.
I'm like, cool, yeah, but we'll talk about that afterwards,
yeah. So.
So yeah. That's how we are.
No, no investigating the house while he's still around.

(46:39):
And that's how he is. We've had a, we've had a, we
always throw parties because we're, we're big about community
and friends and having a good time.
So we, we throw parties different times of the year and
we had friends over here and, and I would sneak off and we
investigate a little bit and hada friend have a psychic attack
down in our basement. And I think that's when Gary's

(47:01):
like, done, we're done. I didn't even want it to happen
that night. I was outside in the fire and I
ended up going there and I'm like, what the are you doing?
Like not in our own, like I've seen shit in our own house, seen
stuff in our own house. I don't want to investigate it
and revoke any, you know what I mean?
And it's like, no, no, like no, not near.

(47:23):
I got the. Sage, we're fine.
I just, I just don't agree with it.
Like, no, because you've got to live here, you know what I mean?
It's like, no, yeah, like I see,you know, seeing things here and
I'm fine with that. You know, just let it be, you
know, just. It's fine so.

(47:44):
Yeah, that's one of the early things I learned too, is never
investigate your place. And I was like, well, why not?
You know, and I, I haven't, so Ifollow that policy.
But you know, you kind of, you know, we all people have been
dying for thousands of years, right?
So spirits are around us. You know, it's, it's, I think
it's a fair statement to make. And, you know, you're
cohabitating, so why wouldn't you want to know?

(48:06):
But in the same way, then you know it changes your dynamic
just ever so much. And it does.
But then you have like, my argument is like you have bed
and breakfast owners like the Hoover House who live on
location, but also consistently investigate every weekend with
different people coming in and stuff like that.
So I'm like, how is that different?

(48:27):
You know, like they they do it. Why can't we do?
They have people do it. They don't do it.
They have. People do it for them, right?
So they, they share, they share details, right?
Like as far as who investigated,they'll share it with them what
they came across. OK, Yeah.
So yeah, I mean, it's it's it isit is technically different and
it's no different that way than like the, you know, like a ghost

(48:48):
hunters show or something where they would do a residential and
then they would meet with the homeowner after and share.
You're aware, but you didn't participate.
So I guess there is that separation.
It is, yeah. I guess.
Yeah, you're right. That doesn't make sense.
So Bird has a comment here, saysI don't want outside spirits
seeing we can hear them and bombard us.
Yeah. Do you want to open the gates?

(49:11):
But but that's that's saying that they don't see you when
you're outgoing investigating atboobies or or taller or
something like that. So what?
What's the difference? Because, you know.
Yeah, Because the spirit world isn't confined to one place, at
least in my opinion. Sure.
Well, so let me, let me, let me,let me go deeper with that

(49:34):
aspect. You know, as someone who has
experienced this in, in her, in her home, it's a difference when
like we were talking about when people outside, people come in
and investigate, then you live here.
You hurt every day. Your energy's here every day.
So are your emotions and emotions some spirits or
elementals you can feed off of that?

(49:55):
So you have what you know. Everybody has their own opinion
on what a poltergeist is. But you know, there are like we,
we've had, I have a teenage daughter and I'm a middle-aged
woman. We're going through, I'm going
out out of the, the, the hormones are going this way for
me and they're coming in for her.

(50:16):
So we've had, we have had poltergeist because of it.
And it creates this own type of energy of, you know, my belief
in poltergeist is more of a selfcreated haunting.
And when you get your emotions kind of been checking in
control, it kind of helps with that.
Some of the private cases we've done, I've seen a lot of
emotions that have more of it. Let's do some therapy and we're

(50:39):
going to help you when the haunting goes away.
So yeah, I can see when I'm going to admit that, yeah, maybe
investigating our own home ourselves could feed into
something like that and create more of that poltergeist type
activity. It sounds, it kind of sounds in
the in the the realm at least two of of of tulpa with the

(51:01):
emotional energy in the fascinating.
That's that's like totally a different dynamic even there
than than the poltergeist. It's a deeper connection because
it's personalized. Very personalized.
So maybe I am like tulpa poltergeist.
So maybe it is to me, and and this might be my lack of
knowledge, where I kind of correlate the both the same

(51:22):
thing that people call them different names, but maybe it
is. Well, it's like saying you want,
you know, you want a soda, you say Coke.
Yeah, I get it. Yeah.
And, and no, no challenge to it at all.
But it, it's, it's amazing though.
What, what we can, we can create.
As you know, as much as we, we think there are things around
us. Sometimes we, we place our
energies forward and that, that,that opportunity as well.

(51:43):
And that's, that's a whole another game then.
We, we have taken on a couple private cases, the recent one we
had close to us and it was a grief situation.
The, the person, I'm not giving any details away, but the person
was going through some grief, really struggling with that and
kind of created his own hauntingin a sense, you know, not just

(52:08):
seeing things that weren't, weren't there, but also creating
like almost this emotional. Our, our, our brains are very
powerful and when our emotions get involved, we can create
things that I mean, it was, it was there, the thing was there.
So it wasn't like fake, it wasn't just imagining it, but it

(52:28):
was, it was definitely once we helped him kind of process the
grief and, and do some honoring of, of the dead, It was it, it
kind of blindled and went away. And is it, was it the honoring
or was it the fact that he accepted the loss that helped
him move on? And then the haunting, you know,

(52:49):
went away? Bird's comment here.
We we've seen a shadow figure inour home, but we are not opening
that door. We say, did you see that?
But we let it. Alone.
Well, and that then that's sort of that not feeding it the
energy to to make it more viable.

(53:11):
And so which is, you know, that that's a choice that people get
to make. So that's pretty.
Cool. Yeah, because you have different
types of hauntings. You have the residual hauntings,
you have the active the hauntings.
So some of that residual feeds off that energy.
Right there like that, that comet there, like, yeah, you see
it. But what if you accepted it and

(53:34):
fed into it? Could it make it worse?
And what if it's not a nice thing?
You know what I mean? Like, that's why I don't want to
do our like our own house. Like I've seen a little boy
here, you know, So it's like, I don't know, like I just.
That makes, that makes a lot of sense when you're saying you

(53:57):
don't know what that energy is and if you're feeding it more
energy, what can it turn into? Yes, yes.
And it's like that's like when you know, the story Stacy was
telling me about the gentleman down in our basement.
Next time he came over, I put myfoot down.
I said look, we are not, I'm telling you we are not, you
know, and you know we haven't. It's like it's that's it's

(54:20):
touchy, man. To play in your own house, to
play devil's advocate or to, to bring up a can of open a can of
wire and tell everyone to say it.
Like you have these these placeslike boobies, the Hoover house,
the Dos house, the Tala, you know, that are welcoming
investigators in who have different personalities and

(54:42):
different styles of investigating that, you know,
you know, I'm going to call out.There are some that aren't just
that that that investigate rather differently and and maybe
not so kind and nice and and kind of invoke provoke spirits.
So it's like, you know, we, we, we, we, we don't want to do it

(55:07):
in our own home, but we'll go tothese other places and do it.
So, you know, like. Because we don't have to live
with it. Because the people that live
there do have to live with it. But maybe then people there like
we just say don't pay really no mind to it, you know what I
mean? So it doesn't actually provoke
it, you know, So I don't know. I just don't agree with it.

(55:30):
I just. There's a different, there's a
different thing to that, though,too, Like with not, not all of
us are at the same place in, in the process of, of acceptance.
You know, when like I, I like where you're at with this, like,
you know, I think you're, you'rekeeping the walls up on it.
Is is, you know, it's protection.
It's, it's just keeping things at arm's length, you know,

(55:52):
others may not feel that way. They may welcome whatever may
come. And that's a totally different
dynamic then. And that's a choice.
Like everybody makes those kind of choices.
You know, I, I kind of look at it like this.
I guess that like the paranormalis kind of like online dating.
So the spirits, you know, they have a profile, right?

(56:16):
And we think it's this person, but we actually meet them and
get to, you know, to there they may not be who they present to
be. And.
That where you're at with this, that that distance allows you to
get to that that place safer than it would be if you're to
welcome them into your house right away, you know, kind of
thing. And I mean, I'm, I'm being

(56:37):
cynical. I know that.
But you know. No, Yeah, what you're saying
makes sense. We can't see that person.
We can't. We're just trusting that we're
the column response issue that whatever way we're connecting,
we're trusting that they're presenting who they really are
at the way they are. And you know, that's a whole lot
of this, right? It's trust and it's and we trust
each other, you know, to do thissafely as well while we're out

(56:59):
in the field. And it it just strikes me every
once in a while, but man, we really just don't know.
And we may never truly know. I mean, I've brought things home
already and it wasn't bad, but I've already brought things
home. You know, It happens.
Yeah, but I didn't do it on purpose.
Yeah, but you didn't want to getrid of it.

(57:20):
You. Didn't want to get rid of it.
Well, there was a main purpose I.
Had to save him in his sleep. It wasn't a bad thing and and
you know why work because where I might have been working at
the. Time I know what was that, yes.
But I I did. But he invited, he invited, and
just like I invited. It I attached.
No, you invited it. No, I was there.

(57:42):
You said, hey, you want to come with me and see what I do.
And because he had a correlationwith what this this spirit had
and what he does for a living. And we're not, I, we cannot talk
about it because of what he did for a living.
But so he, he invited it, just like at Samuel Miller, Samuel
Miller Mansion when I was there the last time, I, I spoke the

(58:04):
wrong words. Your words tell you instead of
saying, I'm open to communicating to you right now,
I said, I'm opening myself up toyou.
And then I have like heart attack symptoms.
That's yeah, that's a big difference A.
Huge difference, right? I knew that was.
Right. Well, it, it was just a, a mix
of words. It was, I was tired.
It was the end of the night. I had done an event in
Gettysburg and then come to Samuel Miller an hour and, and

(58:26):
10 minutes back to Samuel Millerto do an investigation and
exhausted. It was her very last spot we
were in. And I, I just, I, I heard it, I,
I got my, I have towels and I had the ringing in my ear and I
knew, OK, this is a male spirit trying to talk to me.
And I was, I, I usually say, hey, OK, I'm opening, I'm

(58:49):
opening lines of communication for you, for us to have a
conversation. And I didn't, I said, I'm
opening myself up to you. And it was like, okay, I'll.
Take. Home and stopped her that night
because I had already picked up on it and she started walking to
where I already knew what happened and but I was tired too
and I was like Nah I let her go now I was like I wish I would

(59:11):
have stopped. Her it didn't come home with me.
I know how to handle myself whenthese type of things happen yes,
I took a break, I went outside, I cleansed myself.
We got, you know, it was it was fine and see, and that's how I
know like I can handle whatever comes my way.
Well, just to give you a warning, some of the booby
spirits have been known to go home with with our

(59:31):
investigators, so. You're not taking anything home.
I don't take shit home. He does, yeah.
But I only did it one time, and that was just because of what I
did and where we were at. That's why there was a
correlation there. Like Stacey said, that was the
only reason why. Yeah, Heather and Stacey.
So you know, Heather's a sensitive as well, so this may
ring a little more, explain thata little more.

(59:54):
Should I just do not need any more anyone trying to
communicate with me when I'm in my home?
I need my home to be calm. I have enough craziness going on
in my head all day long. Just do not need that exhausting
energy after a long day. I agree with that.
I agree with that. You know, I, I think I just, I
hear the static in the background, so I, it's always

(01:00:14):
there. So I feel like if I talk to it
and I can console it and, and, and, you know, give it what it
needs, it will go for me. I think that's that.
We're, like I said, all our sensitives, all our cycles.
We're different in how we communicate and what we feel.
And that's why pair unity is so important, so we can learn from
each other. Very much.

(01:00:35):
So we're tying it all back together again.
So. So yeah.
So Stacey, what tell us a littlebit about the rest experience,
'cause I know that's your, that's your business, right?
That's one of the things you do.So tell us a little bit about
that. Yes, well, it, it itself has
evolved, evolved throughout timeas well.

(01:00:57):
I just saw, I'm looking down on my Facebook and I just saw Bob,
Bob Bob Corbett just came on. He actually was one of my fellow
when I had a storefront in a flea market, he was one of the
the fellow store owners there. So I started with it was, it was
around COVID and I started making jewelry and I after, like

(01:01:23):
I said earlier, I did that stentwith mass communications.
I went into retail management and ended up, you know, getting
my first degree in business. And so I was always into retail.
And then so I, I ended up starting making jewelry and I'm
like, well, I can sell this. And I started selling jewelry
and it was crystal jewelry and, but with that metaphysical

(01:01:43):
healing intent, it was always about let's heal and offering
Reiki, offering readings and then it's involved into making
candles and then I sell sage andstuff like that.
So it's all this, everything's handcrafted, you know, I, I see
everything I do besides the smudge bundles and incense.
I, I outsource those, I make myself and it's all with

(01:02:05):
intention. My candles are with intention.
That's where my focus is right now.
They're it's the candles are kind of blowing up in my face
and like, OK, I'm getting wholesale orders.
So I think that's where a lot ofmy attention is going.
So it, it's been my, my passion storefront didn't work.
So I went on the road and going to different festivals,

(01:02:27):
different shows and, and I, I set up and I sell my stuff and
Ioffer Reiki and Ioffer readings.
And that's kind of where it all started.
It's a place to come to get healing in in many different
aspects. Cool.
That's very cool. And do you, I think I, you know,
I gleaned this from listening toyour podcast, but you know, like

(01:02:50):
every weekend you're somewhere. Pretty much we're slowing down
this. Seasonal a bit, but.
Yeah, seasonal fall and spring and fall is big.
Like month of May. I'm every, I'm somewhere every
month, month of October, I'm somewhere every month.
After that it's more sporadic. I do offer Reiki healing and

(01:03:12):
sessions and and readings out ofmy home and I do readings
virtually. I have a strong clientele base
that comes to my house. Then I have a studio here that I
do Reiki and readings for. And then I have a website,
therusticspirit.com, where people can buy any of my
merchandise and anythings I makethere.

(01:03:34):
So that it, it's kind of how it's evolved into our economy is
not the best for us carnies, so to speak.
My dad was a carny. So I think it's just in my soul
for us carnies. I love being a carny.
I could travel somewhere, you know, he he cannot, but I could

(01:03:55):
travel somewhere every weekend. I could live in a van.
That's just who, who I am. But it's not there that the
economy is not there for it. The shows have not been paying
off, so I'm going back to my full time job in the fall.
I'm a social worker and a therapist, a counselor, and so

(01:04:15):
I'm going back as a school social worker in the fall.
So the rustic spirit will have to go in the background a little
bit for the time being. OK.
I am I want to ask you a question specifically around
your profession actually. And I I gleaned it from
listening and then podcast your podcast.

(01:04:36):
Have you ever run across in yourtravels A fellow named Frankie
Adao? Frankie.
Adao ADAOI believe it is. He's in New Jersey and he is
with Team Parasite. The group he's with, they run
the Ritz Theatre, the Haunted Ritz Theatre in Haddon.
I know the Ritz. OK, yes, I I think by

(01:04:57):
association I might have run it.Well, apparently we're friends
on Facebook. He should be.
He's a great guy. The reason I'm asking you this
is Frankie is a social worker aswell and he works for Rutgers
University. He and I had A and I have AI
have a background in social services.
I spent 10 years in in nonprofitwork and I was an executive

(01:05:19):
director of a community social service hub.
So he and I were chatting at an event at the Ritz around his his
belief that there is a tie in the paranormal with trauma
informed work. 100% sorry, that's very like.
Yes and and I my, my, my mind started exploding right there

(01:05:41):
and and my jaw dropped literallybecause I was like, holy crap,
how did I not think of this? You know, so he is he it's.
All grief. It's all grief journey.
Yeah, and here we are. Every weekend, someone's showing
up at an event asking the spirits who may be there to tell
us how they died. Like, let's just rehash all of
that every week, you know? Or every time, yes.

(01:06:02):
OK, so to go on there, I don't, I don't mean I'm sorry to
interrupt you, but I have ADHD and if I don't, I'll forget
squirrel. Oh, that's my spirit animal.
Stop focus. Jamie, tell me that you were, I
mean, we all have had major losses, all of us at this this

(01:06:24):
age in our life. But tell me that you aren't
searching everyday when you come, when you go investigate
for that one person that you lost that you want to connect
with. Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely. The same with you.
Chad, are you, did you lose someone very important to you
that you are hoping? You just need to find that
answer so you know that this person is on that other side.

(01:06:46):
I want OK, so Frankie and I needto have conversations.
You being Frankie should sit down.
We should have a podcast. We should have you guys on my
podcast. We could talk about that.
He is he is he is way smarter than I am in way more informed
than I am I we we in Lancaster County where we are Lancaster
County has developed a a trauma informed county perspective

(01:07:07):
through Lancaster General Healthwe're.
Trying every here in New York but it's not working very well.
And it, it's six years in probably and, and a good work
has happened. I've left the field almost four
years ago now. So I'm, I'm out of the loop as
much as I used to be, but I was on, I was in some of the
planning of that in the early stages with community
engagement. And you know, it, it's, it's,
it's, well, there's a lot of good that comes.

(01:07:30):
And unfortunately, we all have, you know, by again, by the time
we well, it doesn't matter how old you are, by the time you
reach, you know, any, any significance of, of age, you
will have some kind of trauma, you know, and cases, tests and
so forth. You know, is a good barometer
for some of that. But even more so, we just don't
realize what, what trauma reallyis.
Trauma is very personal. Like every person who

(01:07:50):
experienced trauma, what I experienced, I might have felt
very traumatic. And to you, you OK whatever.
Yeah. So regardless of aces like
traumas, trauma, if you perceiveit as that, as such.
Yeah. So I, I do, I like we're, we're
trying here in New York. Yeah, I thought I'd be listening

(01:08:11):
to your podcast and you you weretalking about being in social
work and I thought, I wonder, wonder what your perspective is.
So I'm, I'm glad I brought it upbecause obviously there's
there's something there. There really is.
And, and I feel like I've been called to do in, in certain
groups, in certain areas to, to help with the healing.
And I don't mean to say that in,in some kind of it's, you know,
conceited big headness, but I feel like right now I'm being

(01:08:38):
called back into the schools to work and do the do the job I
need to do there for a reason. Spirit is leading me that way
And, and I must answer the call.You know, I, I signed up to be a
change agent, change agent when I became a social worker.
And now it's time for me to use that skill to make some change

(01:09:03):
as best I can, but also to understand because I, I feel
like I have a very open view on all perspectives.
You know I'm not one sided on anything so right?
Well, that's, that's the, that'sthe whole thing.
You know, we all again, being going back to our conversation,
really, we all need to be open minded in the field.

(01:09:24):
We're there's more to learn, there's more to experience than
there's more than just the side that we know.
And that's, that's growth. I think we all have and we all
have the ability that we're all lifelong learners.
You know, we we just have to be willing six step.
We do absolutely. So you might know I'm working
my, the job I took is for River Rock.

(01:09:48):
I, they're opening a new location in Harrisburg City
School district at the Roland Academy for so I am the school
social worker for River Rock in,in that district.
So it's, it's going to be interesting.
It's it's my it is that is my population that I I really enjoy
working with disadvantaged use. So I'm very excited about it.

(01:10:11):
And you know, so that's where I-beam likes to.
You probably understand new story in River Rock, who that
is. Yeah, yeah.
Wow, that's so cool. I, we, we utilize a lot of
resources, you know, in different ways, but river rock
was a primary resource for and Ithink in the I don't.

(01:10:34):
Wear Red Lion. The location but I want to say
this. If you were in Lancaster,
probably Red Lion. Yeah, it was.
It was definitely your county. I think it's southern end
somewhere, but Red Lion is, well, technically southern end I
guess. They have Red Lion and Spring
Grove, it's the two it's definitely.
Not Spring Grove. And I know Spring Grove well,
but no, it definitely had to be Red Lion then.
So yeah. And you know, it's well, when

(01:10:56):
you have resources, it doesn't matter really how far they are.
Sometimes you just, you know, when there's limited, limited
access, you know you have to go where the resource is.
Yeah. And sadly, there is just not
enough resources in this at thistime.
There is not there currently I'mmy, I work part time with Mary
Key, which used to be NHS as a behavior consultant, you know,

(01:11:19):
working one-on-one with kids with autism and in schools and
trying to analyze behavior and perceive the function.
And it's, it's, it's not as active as I like, but that, that
in itself the field behavior consulting is, is starting to
wind down so. Interesting.

(01:11:40):
Yeah. Oh, anyway, sorry, Yeah, OK,
I'll find a different tangent so.
So we should probably get to wrap up as we we've gone longer
than we normally go, which is. Perfect.
I know he's got to get up at 4:00 AM, so he's everywhere.
Like so Stacey, this is where we're going to give you your

(01:12:01):
shameless plug at time. Tell us where you're going to
be, what you're going to be doing.
You gave us your website earlier, but what what else is
out there for you? I think I might be going
somewhere really interesting in two weeks to investigate.
Happy. I don't know.
It's some brewery In in in Mountjoy.
Yeah. Not real.

(01:12:22):
Far from us, yeah. So we'll be at boobies in two
weeks, but I'm also going to be at at Pennhurst that weekend too
set up. I have a booth there.
So in from Pennhurst on Saturday.
It's it ends at four. I think it's 4 on Saturday, four
or five and then traveling the hour over investigating and then
going back on Sunday. So sometimes it's going to be a

(01:12:42):
very tired, I'm sorry, I can handle it Saturday.
Night's going to be rough. No Saturday night's going.
To be fine, well, you got to getup.
Early No, we're going to be OK if we think it.
All the power of the brain, if we think it it's going to be
bad. Then it's going to be bad if we
think, yeah, we got this. Say it's going to be bad, I
just. Say it's so so Pennhurst and and

(01:13:04):
Boobie's Brewery in two weeks. Yeah, and then next week I'm
actually mail not Mother's Day. The day before Mother's Day, I
am going to be at Leg Up Farms Farmers Market in York County,
Pennsylvania for a Mother's Day event offering Reiki.
So definitely if you're in the area, New York County area come

(01:13:24):
out, it's a natural food market that has been has spawn of their
leg up farm who works with kids with autism and other kids with
disabilities. So they've spawned a natural
food market and I will be there for that.
And then end of May, we don't have anything actually, we're
going to the mountains. We have a friend's cabin that we

(01:13:47):
stay at and then June, I guess the next big event will be June
21st, the Dos House event, whichis the Creep In It Reel event
that we're doing in June and Rock on the Hill will be at the
beginning of June, which is in Hanover.
It's a rock concert and I alwaysgo there and offer readings for

(01:14:10):
so Very. Cool.
But if anybody you know is interested in a reading or Reiki
session, visit us at the Rustic spirit.com and please go over to
our YouTube at the Becoming Enchanted with the Rustic Spirit
and follow our YouTube page for our podcast.

(01:14:32):
We do stream live on Facebook, but we're trying to move more
over to the YouTube world so and.
When is your podcast? When are you typically live?
Typically Thursday nights at 830.
OK, so every once in a while I'll be on a Tuesday, but it
used to, we used to be Tuesdays and that just didn't work out
for our schedule. So now we're Thursday nights at

(01:14:52):
8:30. This upcoming week I believe I
have Ron, Ronald Murphy on. He is going to be my guest this
week on this the two days. So we're going to talk a little
Bigfoot, little Cryptid talk this week.
I'm actually very excited to have him on.
Cool. Sam.
All right, well, it looks like Gary's getting tired, so we will

(01:15:15):
4 O. Clock in the morning.
If you want to hang, we're goingto do what we're going to go
through what we've got coming up.
If you want to hang out in the green room for a second, we will
catch up with you in a few minutes.
Yes, sounds wonderful. Thank you for having us on.
Yes, thank you. Thank you guys.
Yeah, Appreciate it. All right.

(01:15:36):
So Jamie, what do we have comingup?
So a couple episodes up here, next week I'm going to tackle
the Mars Jamel mansion in New York City.
Week after on May 20th, Chad's going to take on the Dybek box.
This was a previous episode thatgot postponed, so the
anticipation has mounted for this 1 / / a couple weeks now.
I'm going to, after that, I'll deal with the Men in Black and

(01:15:58):
not just the movie series. And then Chad's going to take on
Menahune. Menahune, I got to practice
saying it too. Jeez, I made you last week,
Menahune, from the Hawaiian Islands.
And then coming after that, I'm going to address the Brushy
Mountain State Penitentiary downin Tennessee.
And then after that, a near and dear one to Chad is the

(01:16:19):
hauntings of his childhood home,as you mentioned earlier, over
in the Gettysburg area. So some, some fun and excitement
there. Looking forward to that one
actually. They had a lot of good stuff
coming up. And then of course, Speaking of
good things, coming on the 17th,the week from Saturday we are
doing a Para Unity event with Landon Legend.

(01:16:40):
Gary and Stacey are going to join us live in person at the
Boobies Brewery and tickets are still available, though they are
going quickly. At this point I'm going to say
there are 13 tickets left, so get them while you can.
Then come out and join us there.You know, lots of cool stuff and
the brewery as it happened in place with activity and I'm
really excited to see what Gary and Stacey bring with their

(01:17:02):
style of investigation and and their their knowledge and
experience. It's always something.
So can't wait week from Saturday, be there be square,
the other public events. You know, obviously we have the
17th on the schedule there, but June 28th we're going to be out
at Crescent for the Paracon and Horror event they're hosting on

(01:17:23):
the 28th and July 26th we're back at the brewery for another
public investigation as well as on August 16th.
See you then. All right.
And then, well, there's an ad for the Paracon.
Of course, Creston is a really cool place in Mid States, so
it's really not far from our friends at the DOS House.

(01:17:43):
So you know, you can come out make a weekend of it there lots
of fun. I think there's an investigation
as well as the Paracon separate ticketed event later in the
night. And if you haven't been there
question it is one of those places I think everybody should
see what used to be and what is are two uniquely different
things there and how the place has kind of come apart in a lot

(01:18:04):
of ways. But the energy that's still
there is is incredible. So really cool event.
All right, And lastly, how to find us, what you found us if
you're here with us live tonight, we are on Facebook and
YouTube, but also tomorrow, Wednesday, any Wednesday after
an episode will be on Spotify, Apple podcast, Audible, the good
stuff there. And we do have a link tree that

(01:18:25):
helps you connect to all of those resources.
And if you want to check in withus and, you know, perhaps
suggest a future episode or comment on something we've
talked about, you can always reach us via e-mail at
paranormallenspodcast@gmail.com or leave a comment in any of the
episodes along the way. And we'll certainly see those
things. So.
And Chad, Chad forwarded the e-mail set to me now.

(01:18:48):
So anything goes to the e-mail address.
I get it. We're in, I feel official
finally after 102 episodes. But that's OK.
It's OK, you know, no big deal. Better late than never.
Yeah, Yeah. So, all right, well.
We are right, We are. So thanks to everybody for

(01:19:10):
coming out and and hanging out with us for the hour or if
you're watching us later, we appreciate you joining us.
Again, thanks to Gary and Stacy for joining us.
Check out their stuff really, really great website and and
their their podcast is definitely worth checking out.
So. Really good stuff, fantastic
people, even better yet, the best people out there.

(01:19:30):
So we're looking forward to working with.
Them and and I believe this weekend coming up is Mother's
Day so we should wish all our mothers a happy Mother's Day.
Absolutely so all right, happy Mother's Day all so on that
note, we're going to say goodnight and thanks everybody.
We'll catch you next week. Goodnight.

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