Paranormal Hoaxes & Fooling the Masses

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🎙️ Paranormal Lens Podcast - Season 2, Episode 35: Paranormal Hoaxes & Fooling the Masses 🎭👻

April Fools’ Day is the perfect time to uncover the biggest paranormal hoaxes in history!

In this special episode of Paranormal Lens, host Jamie Widener dives into infamous supernatural deceptions that tricked the world. From staged hauntings to fabricated cryptid sightings, Jamie will expose how some of the most well-known paranormal stories were nothing more than elaborate pranks—or were they?

Co-host Chad Thomas joins in as they separate fact from fiction, discussing the motives behind these hoaxes and how some still manage to capture believers to this day.

Don’t be fooled—tune in for a fascinating look at the greatest supernatural cons ever pulled! 🃏👁️👻

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Episode Transcript

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The. All right, good evening
everyone. Welcome to this week's episode
of Paranormal Lens presented by Jack Nick's Paranormal.
I am Jamie Widener. I am your host for this evening
along with, as always, Chad Thomas, the the Co Hostess with

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the mostest voice. Apparently that I'm I'm, I'm
going to, I'm going to start doing sign language or
something, I don't know. I don't know, I hope it comes
back soon. Well, yeah, yeah, I agree.
I agree, you know, and, and it'sfunny, you don't realize how
much you talk until you can't doit well or at all.

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You know, I am much younger years I suffered with laryngitis
and you know, it's, it's, it's everyone's humor when you're
suffering, right, You know, and I, I as I made fun of you
earlier too, and I, I apologize,I shouldn't knowing better, but
it's one of those things where you just take it for granted,
like mobility, you know, all kinds of things that we just
have ability to do all the time.So I wish you a speedy recovery

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and back to normal soon. I'm going back to the doctor, so
hopefully they'll be able to give me something to to answer
your question, Todd, not really.It comes and goes.
So yeah, then we'll see when. Luckily this is my episode so
I'll I'll do the the blind and share of talking anyway so.
And I did I I went through a whole bottle of honey in the
last week. Oh my.

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So the guy said it was. You know, it's one of those
things you just kind of have like, when did I get this?
Oh, well, all right. Well, I I'd ask you how your
week was, but I don't want to strain your voice.
It's been busy because I've beenworking on top of it.
So on top of this, and I work ina shop, so trying to talk over

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tools. It's a lot of fun.
Yeah. So anyway, I'll just go with the
Husky, gravely voice and you know, that'll be the new thing.
You're like Batman, All right, so and that went to my end.
You know, it was it was a lot ofstuff going on and then things
happened. Stuff got the unusual stuff.
But you know, gorgeous weekend. It was it was central PA.

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It's good to get that get the spring season started.
You know, it feels like it now finally, it's in months of cold
and ick. You know, it's it's been
gorgeous this last couple days, Little rainy here and there, but
you know, all good. It's April.
Or or a lot of rainy yesterday A.
Lot, yeah, but you know, I guessI can't say April showers yet

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yesterday, but you know, May showers bring April flowers
probably. It definitely brings grass.
Yeah. It's it's this weekend is like
the official start of mowing season here.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, that well. Oh wait, I don't have to do that
anymore. Well, hey, if you need to stay
in practice, I got Nope. All right, fine, fine.

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Well, that's that's really Yeah,No over here, Right.
We should dig into this. I got a lot of good stuff to
cover for you guys tonight. So you know, the, the topic is
paranormal hoaxes, right? But the reason there are
paranormal hoaxes for the large part is because we have this
thing called April Fool's Day today, April 1st every year.

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And the, you know, to get to that, you have to kind of
understand where it came from, right?
How did this ever become a thing?
It wasn't, it's not a social media thing.
It's long before it's, it's got actually a really interesting
origin. So let's dig into it.
Before we do that, we got Bert'swith us and then Chris is with
us tonight and I'm I'm sure Heather's tagging along so.

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All right, hey guys, welcome. Thanks for coming the the
origins of April Fool's Day. So there's a couple of thoughts
here and and there's no good proof documents this
documentation saying this is exactly that.
So I'm going to cover a little bit of it.
Some historians speculate that April Fool's Day dates back to
1582, when France switched from the Julian calendar to the

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Gregorian calendar, as was called for by the Council of
Trent back in 1563. That seems like a long time to
implement something, doesn't it?19 years?
Oh, well. In the Julian calendar, as in
the Hindu calendar, the new yearbegan with the spring equinox
around April first. People who were slow to get the
news or failed to recognize at the start of the new year had

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moved to January 1st and continued to celebrate it during
the last week of March through April First became the butt of
jokes and hoaxes and were often called April Fools.
These pranks included having paper fish placed on their backs
and being referenced to as Poisson de Avril, which means
April fish, said to symbolize a young and easily caught fished

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and or a gullible person. Historians have also linked
April Fool's Day to festivals such as Hilaria, which is Latin
for joyful, which was was celebrated in ancient Rome at
the end of March by followers ofthe cult of Sibli.
It involved people dressing up in disguises and mocking fellow
citizens and even magistrates, and was said to be inspired by

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the Egyptian legends of Isis, Osiris and Seth.
That goes way back. April Fool's Day spread through
Britain during the 18th century and up to Scotland.
The tradition became A2 day event starting with the hunting
of the guac, which in was said there were people who were on
Phony Erin. A guac is a word for a cuckoo

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bird or a symbol for fool, followed by the tally day, which
involved pranks played on people's derrieres.
It's a nice word for butts. There's pinning fake tails or
kick me signs on them. That's doesn't sound like
anything we do today, right? No, no, there's, there's
tradition. We got to keep doing it.

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Well, the speculation at April Fool's Day was tied to the
vernal equinox for first day of spring in the Northern
Hemisphere when Mother Nature fooled people with changing and
unpredictable weather. We know nothing of that here in
South I. Was going to say that that
sounds really familiar. Yeah.
Went went all day. When you were talking about Guac
Day, I thought it was going to be a Mexican holiday.

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No, that's guac. Totally different pronunciation
by like half a half a syllable. Now you're right there.
Hey, that's coming up to Guac Day.
It's May 5th. In modern times, people have
gone to great lengths to celebrate April Fool's Day
hoaxes. Newspapers, radio and TV
stations, as well as websites have participated in the April

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first tradition of reporting outrageous fictional claims that
have fooled their audiences. Some examples In 1957, the BBC
reported that Swiss farmers wereexperiencing a record spaghetti
crop and showed footage of people harvesting noodles from
trees. In 1985, Sports Illustrated

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writer George Plimpton tricked many readers when he ran a
made-up article about a rookie pitcher named Sid Finch who
could throw a fastball over 168 mph.
That's some heat. In 1992, National Public Radio
NPR ran a spot with former President Richard Nixon saying
he was running for president again.

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Only it was an actor, not Nixon,and the segment was an April
Fool's Day prank that caught thecountry by surprise.
In 1996, the fast food chain Taco Bell Do People when it
announced it had agreed to purchase Philadelphia's Liberty
Bell and intended to rename it the Taco Liberty Bell.
I remember that one, I would do too.

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In 1998, after Burger King advertised a left-handed
Whopper, scores of clueless customers requested the fake
sandwich. I brought this up to a Co worker
today and he was like do you think they still make them?
Oh. Jeez.
Yeah, yeah. OK, I said.
No, they discontinued it. And Google, our favorite search

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engine, notoriously hosts an annual April Fool's Day prank
that includes everything from telepathic search to the ability
to play Pac-Man on Google Maps. Waka, waka, waka.
And in a personal experience that I've had, Chad, you know,
our, our local farmers grow a lot of hay, Right, Right.
Yeah. And, and in between seasons,

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they, they store it so that, youknow, it comes out at the end of
the summer and it stays, you know, keep it as they need it
for their cattle and so forth through the winter.
So they largely roll them up into these big round bales,
right, right. Or five feet round.
And then they cover them in a white kind of vinyl tarp type
product, right? So one day with the kids in the
carriage or by a farm that had awhole bunch of mountain, the

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edge of the pasture, and I said,oh look, that's where they grow
marshmallows. And they believed you for a.
Little while they claim they never did, but I know I saw the
war. Did you did you see anything
today online that would have? Today was too busy for that.
I just realized that I should have bought as I was reading
that, but no, I've not. The one thing that I saw is that

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that Wawa is buying sheets. Interesting.
All right, well, it's I mean, it's a hoagie man, right.
Either way, well, how? I don't think I could live
without having as having Z at the end of every word, so.
Exactly I. Don't know what I feel about
that. Wawa does have a really good

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Turkey sub, especially their Thanksgiving one with cranberry
sauce. Now I want one.
Never podcast hungry. OK, so that's the back story of
of April Fool's day, right? It's been going on for hundreds
and hundreds of years. So which is really fun.
And you know, obviously it's great to have the joke and it's

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not so fun to be the joke, you know, joker jokey, but you know,
it it it is generally all in funand it's really meant to be that
kind of light hearted intent, right?
So but hoaxes are something uniquely different, and hoaxes
generally are a little bit more serious to to intent, maybe

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something an undermined underlying intent to it than
just being lighthearted. So let's talk about what they
are first. So our friends at Merriam
Webster say that a hoax is a humorous or malicious deception
goes both ways, right? But it's a deception.
The word origin is from the late18th century and is probably a

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contraction of hocus and Chad. After all, isn't it just hocus
pocus? Yeah, right.
And for you to Scrabble players out there, HOAX is at minimum a
14 point word score, with the X being 8, the H being 4, the O
and the A are one each that I don't want a triple word score.

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You're you're winning the game, or at least well on your way.
Yeah. So we're here for paranormal
hoaxes, right? So hoaxes in general happen all
the time. Weird stuff, bad things, good
things either way. But let's talk about some that
are notoriously paranormal and well noted.
So I'm going to give you a bunchof examples.
The 1st is called the Fox Sisters.

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On the night of March 31st, 1848, which is April Fool's Eve,
14 year old Maggie Fox and her 11 year old sister Kate reported
a reoccurring mysterious phenomenon in their bedroom.
Every night, as the two went to sleep in their clapboard
farmhouse, they would hear a strange knocking sound coming
from the walls. Even stranger, the knocking

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seemed to respond to their questions.
Not unusual for paranormal investigations, right?
Not at all in response, no. Right, We're on to something.
If you are an injured spirit, manifest it by three raps.
Inquired the girl's mother. Knock, knock, knock.
The veil dividing the spirit world and living had been
breached. Those are the Fox sisters.

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Wall rapping spirits spread likewildfire through the spiritually
flammable counties of upstate New York.
Also the birth place of birth place of Mormonism and
Millerism, which is latter 7th day evangelism.
Spiritualism promised a kind of a new kind of religious
experience in which believers could receive specific guidance
about their lives from those with secret knowledge from the

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great beyond. Eventually, the Fox Sisters
brought their hugely popular seances to New York City,
drawing huge crowds. Their routine involve evolved
sorry, from simple knocking and rapping to conversations with
deceased relatives and secret messages magically appearing on
blank cards. Despite their fame, or Mike more
likely because of it, the sisters suffered from troubled

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relationships, psychological breakdowns and alcoholism.
They're They're much older than 1411 by now, I swear.
In their 50s, Maggie delivered apublic confession of their long
drawn hoax, which started as a harmless childhood prank.
At bedtime, they would tie an apple on a string and move it up
and down, causing the apple to bump on the floor.

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The sisters later developed the ability to manipulate their
knuckles and toes to produce a popping sound.
Continuing on, they ratted themselves.
The next one is not that far ago.
Let's go back to 1995 and the Fox Television network aired a
special called Alien Autopsy. Fact or fiction.

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Remember this one? I did too, which became a
surprising ratings bonanza and apop culture phenomenon.
Cap capitulating the topic of UFOS back into the national
conversation because if you recall, the 70s, you know, was a
big era around Project Blue Book, a lot of things.
And then it kind of the the 80s kind of became, well, something

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else, so. The 18 was on in the. 80's the
8. That's right.
They were going to solve those aliens.
I mean if you could find them. Yeah.
So Capitalize is Speaking of TV capitalizing on the popularity
of its cult hit The X-Files. Fox bought 17 minutes of grainy
footage from British TV producerRay Santilli claiming to record

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a secret U.S. military autopsy of an alien life form recovered
from a UFO crash site near Roswell, NM.
And we all know that back in the40s.
The footage, reportedly bought from a retired military
cameraman, showed the bloody corpse of a hairless large
headed alien with reptilian eyesbeing roughly dissected by a
team of doctors in protective surgical gear.

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The shaky camerawork and blurredclose-ups LED a LED lent, excuse
me, a sense of realism to the footage while making it
exceptionally difficult to get agood look at the creature or its
gooey innards. Although most TV viewers
immediately dismissed the footage as fake, the light,
rubbery flesh of the alien was hard to ignore.
Producer Santilli vouched for its authenticity, at least until

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2006, when Santilli began promoting a second Alien autopsy
film, this one a mockumentary about the filming of the
original. In press interviews, Santilli
confessed the truth that the original footage was irreparably
damaged during transport from the US to England, and that he
hired a team of special effects artists and actors to restore

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the lost footage for the specialBom Bom Bom.
All right. And I wish our good friend David
Deramidi was with us for this one.
So I think he has a little bit of knowledge of the source.
This one's called the surgeon's photo of the Loch Ness Monster.
The legend of the Loch Ness Monster was captivating northern

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Scotland for over 1500 years. Carvings of a Excuse me,
carvings of a flippered beast with elongated head are etched
into the ancient standing stonesnear the massive lake South of
Inverness. However, the hunt for Nessie
reached a fever pitch in the 1930s when a newspaper report of
an enormous animal rolling and plunging on the surface prompted

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thousands of tourists to flood the area hoping to catch a
glimpse of the Jurassic beast. The famous photographic proof of
the Loch Ness Monster is a blurry 1934 image known as the
Surgeon's Photo. The iconic image, supposedly
snapped by respected Dr. R Kenneth Wilson, shows the
shadowy profile of a creature, its long necked, long necked,

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excuse me, outstretched above the water.
The powerful image served as a de facto proof of the mythical
animal's existence since its original publication in London's
Daily Mail. Not until 1994 did a series of
revelations bring the real storybehind the Surgeon's photo to
light. The creature was, in fact, a
model built atop a toy submarine, a part of an

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elaborate hoax perpetrated by a big game hunter named Marmaduke
Wetherell. And a name like that, you know,
he's got to be a big game hunter.
Wetherell held a grudge against the male, which had hired him in
1933 to track down the Scottish monster.
He was publicly humiliated when he mistook phony hippo tracks
for Nessie's footprints. Somewhere along the shoreline,

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Weatherale's 93 year old stepsonconfessed to building the
makeshift model for his father, who was able to convince the
otherwise honorable Doctor Wilson to deliver the photo to
the newspaper. Bom bom bom Chad.
This one's going to sound familiar.
Time Carmela had a comment here.Do you think Nessie is real?

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Man, I want to I really do, you know, and no different than than
no go Pogo, no different than champ, you know, and any other,
you know, crypted water crypted,especially that's out there.
You know, that's just you never know what's under the surface,
you know, so I and Loch Ness is a big place, you know, so is

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Lake Ogonagan. So is Lake Champlain.
You know, who knows? Maybe that's my, that's my safe
bet. I want I want so we gotta keep
looking. And what I believe that's that's
you know, so Chad, we, we covered this ourselves.

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So the next one is British crop circles.
This was an episode of Season 1.And and when you covered
yourself. So in the 1980s, a series of
increasingly intricate patterns emerged in the barley and wheat
fields of a surprise of surprisefarmers in Wiltshire, England.
Dubbed crop circles, the breathtaking unexplained
formations drew crowds of gawking tourists and intense

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speculation about their origin. Serologists serolog.
Yes, serologists. Sorry.
The live program here, folks. A series serious crop circle
junkies are known hypothesized that the circles, which always
appeared overnight, either landing pads for alien
spacecraft, decoded messages from higher intelligence, or

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symbols downloaded psychokinetically from the
collective subconscious. It helps that Wiltshire is also
home to Stonehenge, the originalalien art project, right?
Yeah, only Doug Bauer and Dave Chorley knew the real story.
The drinking buddies and part time watercolor artists have
been making the crop circles by hand or by foot mostly since the

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late 1970s. Fueled by too many pints in the
conversation about UFOs, the duosnuck into a farmer's field and
stomped out the circular patterns with iron rods, a flat
wooden board and some rope. The rest, as they say, is
history. It wasn't until 1991 that Bauer
and Chorley confessed their rolein the artistic hoax, which by

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then had grown to include legions of unaffiliated circle
makers across England and also around the world.
The serology community took the news in stride, admitting the
possibility that many of the circles were man made, but
ardently defended the most elaborate and beautiful circles
as indisputably otherworldly creations.
And again, for more on crop circles, go back to our Season 1

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Episode 8 program on them. So the next this one's
interesting, it's the Fiji mermaid.
PT Barnum may or may not have uttered the famous phrase
there's a sucker born every minute, but he certainly lived
it. Barnum was perhaps the best
known Victorian area huckster toenthrall the public with

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outrageous specimens of odder than life humans and mythical
mythical creatures. One of Barnum's earliest
sensations was the so-called Fiji Mermaid, purported to be a
preserved remains of a real lifemerman mermaid captured in the
Bay of Bengal in 1842. Barnum displayed this creature
in its American Museum on Broadway in New York City, where

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it drew crowds of onlookers. The Peabody Museum of
Archaeology and Ethnology at Harvard University got its hand
on the specimen called the Java Mermaid in 19801897.
Sorry. Museum staff tracked down the
true origin of the shriveled 16 inch creature, which is not
simply a monkey head stitch ontoa fish body, as many as
speculate speculated. It turned out to be a souvenir

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handcraft, handcrafted, made by Southeast Asian fishermen and
sold the tourists as a Little Mermaid.
Not aerial, sorry. Oh, OK, yeah.
The body parts are a mix of paper mache, fish bones and the
fins and fins, but no monkey skulls.
So the true tourist trap thing, but without any context and

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without any other relevance to it, the imagination takes you
away. The next is a domestic one.
It's called the Cardiff Giant. Once known as known as America's
greatest hoax. This 10 foot tall stone statue
of a petrified ancient giant made its 19th century creator,
George Hull, a very rich man. Hull was a get rich quick

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schemer and a proud atheist in the time of religious fervor.
After an argument with a revivalist preacher over the
existence of giants, as mentioned in the Book of
Genesis, Hull conceived a devious plan that would
capitalize on the gullibility ofthe public.
In 1868, Hull hired a Chicago stone cutter to carve a massive
hunk of gypsum in Hull's own likeness.

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Hull then aged the stone with sulfuric acid and convinced the
farmer in Cardiff, New York to secretly buried in his backyard.
A year later, Hull had the farmer dig a well, instructing
the Workman to dig exactly wherethe stone giant was buried.
The unearthing of the Cardiff Giant caused a great sensation
in upstate New York, still a hotbed of spiritual spiritual

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excitement. You remember the Fox sisters?
News of the creature spread far and wide, inciting a fierce
debate over the artifacts. Authenticity.
Hall fanned the fires of speculation, taking the giant on
tour and charging $0.50 for a peek.
Rumor has it that he made $30,000, which was a fortune in
1860. You can see the Cardiff Giant

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today at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, New York.
And if you want to look it up onthe Farmers Museum site, it's
now known as the Fenimore. Yeah, it's still there.
Road trip. Let's go.
I mean, if you're going there, you may as well go to the
Baseball Hall of Fame while we're.
There. That's right.
You're there. Yeah.

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So the next is not really a hoaxso much as it is someone trying
to like to stop the hoax. So you remember our way back
episode on Rose Machenberg? Well, her employer Harry Houdini
is our subject here. After millions of people died
during World War One and from the 1918 influenza pandemic, the

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popularity of spiritualism soared to esper to communicate
with their dead loved ones. The bereaved fell prey to
extortion by fraudulent mediums and fortune tellers, but Harry
Houdini wasn't fooled. He recognized the scammers
method is no more than conjurorstricks.
Likely fueled by his own desire to communicate with his dearly
departed mother and angered by the way people were being

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exploited, Houdini set out to expose the ghost hoaxes.
In his stage show, he revealed the fraudsters techniques.
He used a team of undercover investigators to collect proof
of seance deceptions. His head secret agent was a
young New York private detectivein disguise, expert Rose
Machenberg, a woman who continued her ghost busting
career for decades, long after Houdini's death in 1926.

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And for more on Rose, go back toour Season 2 Episode 18 podcast
on her Ted. This one I know, you know I
know, everybody knows this one the world, the world's.
Orson Welles didn't mean to mastermind one of the greatest
hoax hoaxes in history. Mass hysteria was simply a by

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product that we high quality radio play in an era where World
War loomed, the space race was in its early stages and most
people got news and entertainment from their
receivers. According to history.com, on
October 30th, 1938, broadcast begin at 8:00 PM with an
introduction presenting the Mercury Theaters update of HG
Wells science fiction novel The War of the Worlds.

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But unfortunately, many people were still listening to a
popular ventriloquist on anotherstation until 812 and therefore
missed the disclaimer. Wells take on well.
Wells take on Wells. Martian invasion tales started
with a weather report and a concert live from the Hotel Park
Plaza before news alerts about explosions on Mars, a meteor

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crashing into a New Jersey farm,and eventually aliens with
tentacles, heat raised and poisonous gas broke in.
Terrified announcers were then saying cylinders had landed in
Chicago, in Saint Louis, 7000 National Guard business had been
wiped out and that people were fleeing.
Only the panic turned out to be real, as potentially a million
listeners thought Earth was under attack.

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People crowded the highways, armed themselves, begged police
for gas masks, requested their power be shut off so aliens
wouldn't see them. Why they couldn't just turn off
their lights, I don't know. And were treated for shock at
hospitals. A woman ran into an Indianapolis
church during an evening serviceto proclaim New York has been
destroyed, It's the end of the world, prepared to die, OK.

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When CBSCBS sorry got wind of the hysteria, Wells went on the
air as himself to remind listeners that it was fiction.
The FCC investigation found no wrongdoing, but networks agreed
to be more cautious regarding programming going forward.
In spite of the hysteria and chaos where the world's created,
there was a silver lining. The attention scored Wells a

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Hollywood contract which enabledhim to write, direct and star in
his 1941 masterpiece Citizen Kane and many others after Yeah.
That was a big deal, yeah. Quite an interesting situation.
Like the paranoria, you know, boom, you know, moment, right?
All right. The next is called the Cochlean,

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Ghost and Jet. Even Royals can play fall prey
to paranormal pranks, according to the Daily Mail.
OK. In 1762, Prince Edward, Duke of
York in Albany, visit a home on Cock Lane in London that was
said to be haunted by scratchingFanny, the woman who had died of
smallpox, in the rented house after her loan shark lover
William Kent had lent their landlord money with the highest

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interest rate. I love that sentence, it's so
descriptive. Kent took the landlord Richard
Parsons, to court over the loan and won.
Strange noises that sound like acat scratching a chair were
reported at the property around this time, and Parsons and his
daughter Elizabeth, who the noises actually emanated from,
claimed the ghost was Fanny. To prove it, they held seances

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regularly, which were written upin the newspaper and drew
religious leaders, the Prince, the mayor and many other
onlookers that the street becameimpassable.
At the time, people widely believed that a person would
return from the great beyond to warn the living or seek revenge,
so that they quickly accepted that it was Fanny communicating
via system of knocks that Parsons and the preacher
developed. During one such communing, the

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ghost accused Kent of poisoning her and requested he be hanged
to clear his name. Kent and two doctors who had
tended to Fanny on her deathbed attended a seance, and again,
Fanny declared he was her killer.
But during a later gathering, Doctor Samuel Johnson witnessed
Elizabeth creeping from the bed where she was during the
encounters to pick up a piece ofwood that she used to knock on

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she'd usually hidden beneath herclothing.
Parsons was trying to frame Kentafter the losing the case, but
it was he who ended up behind bars for two full years.
And somehow his wife got a year in prison as well.
All right, the next. It's called the Cottingly
Fairies. OK, in. 1917 and also in 1920,

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young English cousins Elise Wright and Frances Griffith
produced a series of photographsdepicting themselves interacting
with fairies in modern times. It's hard to imagine now anyone
can be fooled by these obvious fakes, but in the early 20th
century they were convincing enough to attract a huge
following and dupe such notablesas Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
It was not until 1981 that Wright and Griffith admitted the

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hoax, although they continue to claim that they had indeed seen
fairies and that one of the photos was genuine.
And you can Google the coddinglyfairies and find them very
quickly. They are what you'd expect.
OK, next one. And Ted, that's something else

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we've discussed at least a little bit.
Uri Geller During the 1970s YuriGeller enjoyed Hughes success
with his mentalism acts based largely on his ability to bend
spoons with his mind. Geller staunchly defended his
claim to supernatural powers until hard evidence finally
caught up with him in 1982. Book by James Randi expose

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Geller's tricks and Geller was caught numerous times on camera
manipulating stage props. He was pre bending spoons,
essentially. He has since earned a reputation
for frivolous litigation after aseries of failed lawsuits,
mostly against people who publish unflattering material
about him. Despite never officially outing
himself, Geller has tactly confessed to the hoax.

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In 2007, he expressed the following change of heart.
I'll no longer say that I have supernatural powers.
I'm an entertainer. My entire character has changed.
A famous incident with him was on The Tonight Show and where he
could not bend spoons as he claimed he could on On Demand

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and kept stalling through the episode and eventually it led to
to nothing. So I think kind of the beginning
of the end. And that was when Johnny Carson
was hosting it. Was way back with Johnny Carson.
Yeah, in the late 70s, I believe.
Can you imagine how that would have gone?
Like just Carson would have had so much fun with it.
Yeah. All right.

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The next one? The well to hell.
This terrifying legend says thatin the late 1980s, Russian
engineers drilled a hole in an undisclosed area of Siberia.
There was a much bigger reactionto this well than expected.
For one, it was bigger than it was ever intended to be.
Drilled nearly 9 miles deep, thedepths of this cave reached
remarkably high temperature of around 2000°F.

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Some crew members claimed to have heard strange and
unsettling sounds from the hole.In response, a heat tolerant
microphone and additional sensory equipment were sent down
into the well. What allegedly came back were
recordings that revealed that this was to be a gateway to hell
itself. The recordings consisted of
bizarre noises and agonized screams.

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Screams which seem similar, though it might be heard from
those tortured in the pits of fire and brimstone.
These recordings sparked a frenzy after they were picked up
by news outlets, particularly those outlets with religious
foundation. However, the recording was a
fake. While a real hole was drilled
one 7 1/2 miles deep on the ColaPeninsula.

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The recordings of agony that wascirculated was actually just a
loop sound clip from the 1972 film The Blood Baron.
You have fun. And this one, this next one you
had. This could happen today.
And it's really not that far away from today anyway.
But it's called Ghost Watch, andbefore The Blair Witch Project

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brought the founded found footage genre back to life in
1999, there was the British television special Ghost Watch
in 1992. Released on Halloween, this
horrific special claimed to be agenuine documentary footage
which followed a group of BBC reporters into a haunted house.
The event claimed to be a live broadcast, but in the midst of
detailing the home's history andinterviewing neighbors, the

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reporters encountered a malevolent spirit named Pipes.
The Spirit said to have belongedto the surgically disturbed
Raymond Tunstall. But Tunstall wasn't the only
ghost said to have been in the home as he was, as when he was
living there himself, he was disturbed by the ghost of Mother
Seddens, a 19th century child killer.

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Reporters seem to consider the whole thing to be bogus until
one of them is dragged away by aspirit.
It's revealed that the broadcastwas has acted as a widespread
seance that has only given Pipesmore power to go out and
terrorize the nation. Viewers were terrified by this
display and to an extent not seen since the broadcast of War
of the Worlds in 1938. The cast, crew and writers

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credited on the project. The special was eventually
exposed as mere horror mockumentary.
Nothing about the special had been live, but rather pre
recorded segments enhanced by FXweeks and weeks in advance.
And this is still around. It's on the Internet, you can
find it. And then, you know, there's
there's there's actually anothermovie and I'm drawing a blank on

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the title of it. That was about ATV crew that
goes to do a paranormal, you know, investigation at an
abandoned hospital. And you know, they get a guy,
they pay a guy to the groundskeeper to talk about how
taunted and stuff. You know, it's like all on
camera, not the camera that would not this, you know what
they would broadcast. Then they go into the hospital

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and then they don't find anything.
But suddenly something changes and then it becomes, you know, a
totally horror film, so. Well, our friend David talks
about this. This is one of his favorite
movies. OK, yeah, and, and and it's not
that old, actually. It's only maybe 5 or 6 years
old. So the, you know, the the idea
of the mockumentary has been around for a very long time too.

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So why do we fall for hoaxes, Chad?
You know. Because there's just enough
truth in them. Well, that's that's true to to.
Make you like could yeah, so. There's there's a couple of
things I want to cover here and part of it is the establishment
of trust and credit and credibility.

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Con artists often build trust byfaking what they are.
They are representative of credible organizations.
The name of the organization andits professional tone often make
people believe it. They may text, mail, or call you
through the label of such highlycredible sources.
People can be persuaded better if they believe the information
from a highly credible source. Moreover, scammers also learn

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about the victims and present messages as trustworthy.
They may also act as familiar and try to establish some kind
of liking in you. Once trust is gained, it's
difficult for you to doubt that person.
The role of emotion Understanding your emotion is
often important. Your emotional vulnerability is
a strength for hoaxes and con artists.

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Strong emotions like fear, greed, danger, hope, and more
can often lead to you to act quickly without much thought.
Scammers often take advantage ofsuch vulnerabilities in fear.
Your fight or flight system getsactivated when you're in fear
and perceived danger. Scammers create this fear by
claiming your bank account may be compromised and you ask for

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your personal information to rectify it.
In such a situation, people often tend to act impulsively
and provide the information. Greed.
Getting money quickly and easilyis a very compromising tactic
con artists can use. People never get satiated by
money, so it's very easy to persuade them of giving promises

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of monetary benefits. Hope.
It's easy to manipulate a personin crisis by providing hope to
them. This can be done by promising
cures to some non curable disease and taking money through
them. Also, there are cognitive
biases. Do you solely believe your
thoughts? People who often have a tendency

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to see things only from their biased perspectives without
looking for alternate ways. Sounds familiar to these days.
Yeah? One we talk about all the time
is confirmation bias. This solves selectively
attending to information that aligns to your existing beliefs.
Scammers who know about your biases can easily persuade you

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by creating messages that convince you there's an
authority bias. People are more likely to comply
with authority figures. Con artists use this and adopt
the role of a government or powerful organization.
Most people tend to comply with requests from these scammers
because of their perceived authority.
And there's the scarcity effect.This technique often used to

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increase the selling of products.
People have a tendency to securethings that are scarce, so
creating a sense of urgency by showing limited time offers can
cause people to fall for it all right back now.
And lastly, heuristics. These are mental shortcuts you
often use to make judgments. Scammers use these by creating

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fake reviews and ratings so thatthe product seems more genuine
and reliable. Also, there's social influences.
We often have a tendency to follow social expectations and
norms. Con artists and hoaxers can use
these by various ways. First is normative social
influence. We often have a tendency to fit

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in. Scammers use this by mentioning
that millions have already benefited, so you also try to
conform to it. There's informational social
influence. This is applicable in situations
in which you are uncertain, so the person who seems an expert
can persuade you and influence your judgments.
A lot of times there's celebrityendorsements and reciprocity.

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People often have a tendency to do something for someone who
once did some favor to them. So if a scammer gives you a
favor or an offer, you believe you owe something to them.
Lastly are the confidence of conartists.
In social media, we can see different influencers spreading
fake information in pseudoscience.

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Many people fall into it. Such fake influencers get more
followers than real professionals do.
Why does this happen? Sometimes people focus more on
the way of speech than its content.
There are two models of persuasion, the central route of
persuasion and the peripheral route.
Some people analyze each thing deeply before making decisions.

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Some people need a central routeof persuasion, explaining
different perspectives and all the details to get convinced.
In contrast, most people just need a peripheral route of
persuasion. They get convinced by the
surface features of information like the way the speaker speaks.
The speakers who speak in confidence with bold and loud
voice may be perceived as credible more than those who

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speak and speak in a low or feeble voice.
Interesting. All of which are ways to get us
to believe in things that we normally wouldn't.
Right, because it's if you soundlike you know what you're
talking about. Yes.
Then you must know. Right.
Well, I say this all the time. If you act like you know what

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you're doing, people tend to believe you, right?
You know, therefore, all right, so let me cite some sources and
we can discuss all this. Sure.
First is merriam-webster.com, psychologs.com,
howstuffworks.com, Reader's digest.com,
paranormalencyclopedia.com and history.com.

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All right, so first of all, happy April Fool's Day, Chad.
Thank you. And hopefully no one fell for
anything overly damaging today other than, you know, something
worth a laugh. But you know, there are, there
are a lot of things out there and people, you know, hoaxes are
intentional. That's the one thing I've
gathered out of all of this. The the idea is that you are,

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and hopefully, and I say hopefully with with all
sincerity that it is really meant to be something in fun and
just, you know, harmless. You know, that it should you
fall for one. But, you know, the reality is
that there are people out there who are trying to manipulate us
and gain from the effort they'recreated.
And because of that, you know, bad things can come along,

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right? So how do you feel?
I mean, it is easy to fall for these things because they're,
there's a, like I said earlier, there's just enough proof or

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there's just enough to to bite on.
There's a nugget just to hold onto.
So yeah, Todd and Carmella have a a.
Comment The size was smiling. It's not too.
Yeah, Nick. Nick Roth has said he's leaving
the paranormal field and a couple smiley faces there.
Yeah, OK. So I mean.

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I I would think a bigger hoax there or a bigger laugh would be
that Zach Baggins says he's leaving the paranormal field,
but. You know, I mean, we all fall
for for pranks or, or hoaxes and, you know, I just, I can't
imagine something like the War of the Worlds thing.
I can't imagine what that must have been like, just that what

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it did to the country just because of people not catching
the beginning little clip saying, oh, by the way, this is
a stage production basically and.
Well, that's exactly it. And you know, that comes from a
time when, you know, television wasn't a thing, right?
Every but everybody had a radio,you know, some, some receiver,

(43:27):
usually a large 1, you know, somewhere in the home that was
that was the source for a news. Everything came out of that box.
And, you know, the, the, the people who presented the news
were trustworthy, you know, and I'll, I'll go back to being a
kid, you know, I, I grew up withWalter Cronkite, you know, and
as, as a newscaster. And that guy, you know, was like

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serious all the time. And everything he said was true,
you know it was a true. Resource.
You know, I don't know how we all feel about news these days,
but you know, it's been, it's been stretched a little bit
depending on your source, you know, those, those iconic
trusted people just, you know, don't we don't have that that we
used to have. Perhaps Walter Concrete, Tom
Brokaw, Like there's these, these are all people who?

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David Brinkley. Yep.
David Jennings. I mean, I can name them all
because I watched all of them, you know, and the key to that
is, is, is finding multiple sources too, right?
Because there were there are still key sources for news that
are available to all of us who have access, you know, the
Internet, cable television, you know what, not newspaper, you
know it. You've got to choose who you

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believe, first of all. And that goes back to some of
the biases. You know, the authoritarian
biases is part of this. You want to believe as an
authority figure, you know, and we take it from there, you know,
as far as how we want to how farwe want to go with it.
But it's it's so diluted now with so many other sources that

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the big, big ones that I'll say they were then, you know, just
don't have the same merit as they might.
If we're back in that era in 1938, you know, it was the world
was a bit of a turmoil. You know, we were recovering
still from the Great Depression coming out of it, you know,
seeing light at the end of the tunnel of it.
Some were still recovering through issues with World War

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One and the world. You know, we had war brewing in
Europe again, You know, it, it was a turbulent time and and a
lot of uncertainty. And this is this was probably
the perfect match, you know, just to strike to and it was
probably and I think it was really meant to be fun, but it
really meant to be terror or became terror.
Many, many people. Because those sources were

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gospel. Todd and Carmela say honestly,
don't watch the news. Too busy working and doing
paranormal investigations. You get your news news from the
ghosts, right? Yeah.
Well, maybe, you know, it goes, it goes to the fun of it, too,

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you know, like, I think probably.
Well, there was a little bit of spite in the Loch Ness piece
with the surgeon's photo. And spite does not make right.
Never will. Never does, never will.
But you know that some of these were meant to kind of be fun.
You know, the Fox sisters I'm sure started off as being fun.
You know, the the Fiji mermaid probably was meant to be fun.

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You know, the Cardiff giant was certainly more spite probably.
Or to see how far you could takesomething anyway.
I I'm a little worried that Burtgets all his news from you.
Burt, Burt, Burt. You lost the remote, didn't you?
All right, well, and Unsee that.OK, moving on.

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Love you, Bert. The you know the idea, though.
Oh jeez, orbs are not real. That was exactly that You're
I'll bring that recording next time I see y'all the the idea of

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I lost my train of thought completely right.
Thanks, guys, Damn it, The idea that people can have fun with
this stuff is great. And that's that's really what I
think of when I think of, you know, April Fool's day
specifically. These weren't necessarily April
Fool's jokes. They were hoaxes.

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It happened through the year, years, you know, any time of the
year, but you know, it kind of it just takes you to a place
where like, you know, if you area, a mischievous person, you're
going to do stuff like this, right?
You know, and, and I'll, I'll say this, Chad, you were with me
when this happened. So I, I think I can talk about
it. We're at West Virginia

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penitentiary. You start laughing, you know
we're going to say I. Know where you're going.
So we're you and I are coming from the maximum security block
heading back to the lobby area, taking a break kind of thing.
And you can't get there without passing by like the cafeteria
and the hallway that leads through that area.

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And that that hallway is where the shadow man was captured
famous photo many years ago, youknow, and as we're coming
through, we see there's folks inthe hallway, but there are two
rooms to the right that can joinand you can kind of go most of
the way down the hall to get to that beginning part.
And as we get to the doorway, you know, these folks are very
intently trying to recreate the episode that happened that that

(48:31):
other time, you know, they've got a laser grid up.
They've, you know, they're they're doing a call and
response session. And I can't help myself.
I just can't. So, you know, is there anyone
there? Oh, yeah, I'm here, you know,
messing around. And then of course, they're
like, I'm here, you know, and then and then I'm like, yes,
come closer. So just talking from the

(48:53):
doorway, they can't see me, you know, and at at this point, I'm
starting to laugh so much I can't hold myself.
So I finally step out like, guys, it's me.
I'm sorry I'm messing with you. But you know, that kind of
stuff. Obviously, you know, if they
weren't playful with it as well,I would have just ruined some
good credible evidence they thought they were capturing.
And I did for that matter, because it wasn't real.
But you know, the idea of that, you know, kind of just having

(49:14):
fun with each other while you'reout investigating.
And that's the stuff you know, you know you're, you're with a
good group of people when you can carry on.
Right. Sometimes you need to break that
tension too after hours of stuff.
So Todd and Carmela have a comment here of out of all the
great hoaxes, do you think War of the Worlds holds the honor?

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Yes and no. For the masses and for an
immediate momentary parent, you know, like explosion of panic,
yes, absolutely. You know, it's hard to top that,
but I think the one that probably has the longest active
legacy is a Loch Ness Monster. You know, the surgeon's photo,

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because people are still out on the edge of the lake and on
boats on top of it looking for Nessie.
And again, I'm not saying whether it's really not, I can't
tell you that I want it to be, but we have since 1938 or
whatever it was, we haven't found a whole lot more credible
information. And people still believe that
photo isn't faked even though there's proof to say so.

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So, you know, it goes back to what you want to believe.
It's your confirmation bias. You know, you know that that's,
that's true. So therefore you believe it is
and that's fine. You know, it's, that's why
people, I mean, that's a good thing.
I should say it's fine. It's, it is, I guess, but it's a
good thing because people are still moving forward trying to
do the, the, the work of collecting evidence and and
doing the effort of being diligent to see if there is

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something and that's fantastic. So, so does war.
Does War of the Worlds fall intoa hoax?
Because it wasn't intentionally.Yeah, You know what I mean?
Like it was, it was. It turned out to be something.
But it wasn't meant to be an ending.
It wasn't meant to be a hoax, but it was perceived as one
because of the the the lapse of the folks who joined at the

(51:09):
beginning. And, you know, the belief there
it might be a miscategorization.I'm not going to argue that
because it was credited as beinga an adaptation of HD Wells
novel in the beginning. But again, if you miss
something, you never, you know, you're you're going to walk into

(51:31):
it at the point where you start and go from there.
Oh, breaking news from Todd and Carmela.
The curse of Oak Island has found the treasure room in gold.
So good. I don't have to watch the
recording I have tonight. Well, you know, because that's
all I'm right now too. So yeah, Heather and I are
connecting on on that mental level again, because she had
just said that to Bert. So.

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Well, hey, you know, since your voice is scratchy, Heather can
be your spokesmodel. This is great.
I don't know, I I might hold outfor some compensation.
Heather. I'm not sure why, but.
Hey, you know what I've got Jamie.
I've got paranormal lens stickers.
Me too, yeah. So it's cool.

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And and I think it's a great question.
I, I any of this, you know, thathas the people are still talking
about it means it was a good hoax.
It was a good intention anyway. Pretty well, pretty well planned
out, pretty well executed. You know, that's the stuff we
remember. I mean, people pull pranks on us
all the time, you know, like, you know, good one, you know,

(52:45):
it, it disappears to memory, youknow, out of memory.
But these have had the legs to last a long, long time, you
know, and the some come expense,like the Cardiff Giant had to
have some cost to have, you know, an artist create a piece
of gypsum that's not cheap or small, easy to manage.
You know, that kind of stuff waselaborate and intentional.

(53:09):
You know, some are meant to be more foolish, you know, kind of
our childlike, you know, with the Fox sisters, you know,
they're bumping an apple around,you know, that became a thing
and they saw a way to make money.
So one that run with it, right, right.
You know, and it lasted a long time.
So which is pretty cool. I don't know.
I I love, I love a good hoax. I really do.

(53:30):
I love a good practical joke as well.
So I think that's why this was kind of drawn to me.
And of course, it helps that we're here on April 1st have to
have some fun with it. So I I hope you all enjoy it as
well. One of my favorite things that
my kids did on April Fool's Day is we had a bunch of pictures at
the top of the steps in, in the one house.

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And I don't know how long it took us to notice, but Alex had
taken and they were, they weren't just pictures, they were
collage pictures. And they were like six or seven
of them in each frame. And then we had like 4-4 frames
he had taken and flipped them all over so they were all upside
down. And it just, you know, it looked

(54:14):
fine. And then you were like, what,
what's what's going on over there?
And yeah. And he, he, we, it took us a
second, but we figured out who it was too.
So. Yeah, they say that one.
That one's pretty obvious, right?
So Alex for the win. Yeah, I am I at Christmas time
and if a friend of mine has a a little block set, you know, like

(54:34):
the block she would get as a kidthat say Noel.
Yeah, we have. Always sitting on the window
sill in the kitchen. You know, every time I would be
there I would re spell it to Leon.
Alex, I have the same. I have a set of figurines
holding the letters and yeah, hedoes the same thing to me on
that one. Leon or Loan one or the other.

(54:55):
You know, right, Right. Every I change it as much as I
could and then, you know, and then like a week later, I'd get
a, you know, a message like you were messing with my blocks
again. Yeah, you're right.
You're going to be there. I'm going to mess with them.
So but you know, all mint and fun, all, all light heartedness.
So all right, Sir, that is, thatis my book.

(55:16):
Report you got all right well nice job Jimmy.
There are quite a few of them that you covered so it.
Was more than I thought there would be actually.
And there's a few things that I left out.
You know, the, the bell witch came into play, you know, which
is an episode we covered back inseason 1, you know, because it,
but it's never the story of the bell witch was, you know,

(55:36):
documented about 80 years after the actual events.
So, you know, it's a, it's a whisper down the lane or
telegram or telephone story gamekind of thing.
You know, there's some truths ornot in it.
So, you know, I, I admitted thatand then plus we already covered
it, you know, and I think about it being likely a hoax back
then, or at least not credible, you know, so you know, there's a

(55:57):
few others out there too. And it's, it's interesting, you
know, how do you pick, how do you choose?
I just kind of went for the obvious ones, I think.
But anyone's curious, just startGoogling paranormal hoaxes and
you will find a gazillion of them.
So. Yeah, when I when I covered the
divic box in a couple weeks since we missed it last week,
we'll we'll talk about that and whether that falls in there or
not. So cool.

(56:18):
OK, yeah, here we go. So Bert saying that Heather's
mom is fanatical, That's a big word for me about her drink
coaster being straight. Every time there we mess them
up. Yep.
Of course. I'm Todd and Carmella.

(56:39):
Thanks for sharing the stories and hoaxes.
Jamie. Enjoyed the show.
Have a great rest of the week. Well, you guys as well.
Thanks for coming. All right, so let's let's cover
what's coming up. Well, let's see next week,
hopefully my voice is back and we'll be able to cover this
because we are, I'm going to cover the Trans Allegheny
Lunatic Asylum, the history of it.

(57:01):
And then the week after that, we're going to, you know,
everybody here knows that we're going to be investigating down
there on the 10th of April. So on the 15th, we're hoping to
have several of the people from the investigation join us and
and talk about what we experienced and if there's any
evidence. So we're looking forward to

(57:22):
that. April 22nd, we've connected with
the DOS house in Pennsylvania and we should have Shawna and
Danielle Rigsby with us talking about that location.
April 29th, Jamie's going to dive into the Portland tunnels
and what's going on there. And then on May 6th, right

(57:44):
before a combined investigation,we're going to have Landon
Legend Paranormal on with us to talk about what they do, Stacy
and Gary Smith, and then they'llbe joining us for an
investigation at the brewery. Looking forward to that.
Absolutely. So upcoming investigations, like

(58:07):
I said earlier, we're going to be at April 10th, we're going to
be at Tala Trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum.
April 26th we have a public investigation at Booby's
Brewery. The 17th we have our Prayer
Unity event with Lynn Legend Paranormal.
Then we are back at the brewery on the 21st of June.

(58:30):
Then June 28th we will be at theHaunted Crescent Sanatorium and
Prison Paragon. Actually, that's the next slide,
but here's Landon Legend, Gary and Stacey Smith.
And then here's information on the horror Paracon at Crescent.
Jamie and I'll be there with other members of the team.

(58:53):
So come out, maybe you can get asticker for from Paranormal
Lens, maybe from Jotnik's, but Ibelieve we're going to have some
boobies brewery T-shirts and stuff.
We're not sure where. It's going.
To be yet, but yeah, but yeah, so.

(59:13):
Fortunately, no brewery, no brewing of the brewery with us.
So, but I'm looking forward to being there.
I've never been there. So I'm really looking forward to
experiencing that space. Even though we're not
necessarily investigating, just spending some hours there was
always interesting. So absolutely.
And there is an opportunity to investigate later that evening
as a as a ticketed event as well.

(59:35):
So keep that in mind if you're coming and spend the day.
Christen's more fun when you sleep over.
I thought that was Mountjoy. Everything is more fun over
again. Just just insert name here.
All right, so and then find us in on social media.
You found us on Facebook or YouTube.
We have Instagram, Tiktok working on the website.

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Still working on the website. It takes time, especially when
you have no time to work on it, because if you're busy at your
real job. But yeah, I think that's I think
that's covers most of it. I think so, yeah.
There's a lot going on, a lot coming up, you know, and, and
thanks for for, you know, come along for the ride with us here.

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You know, it's, this is always more fun, you know, with
interaction, engagement. So if you're not catching us
live, you're catching us somewhere on the streaming
services somewhere after, you know, feel free to drop us a
comment. You know, we're always looking
for content to add into upcomingepisodes.
You know, our schedule is is ourown to keep.
And we'll have stuff coming. You'll see that every episode.
You know, what's what's up the next couple of weeks.

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But if there's something that you say, hey guys, you should do
this, send us a message. Yeah, or send us an e-mail that
[e-mail].I was about to say that.
Thank you. I.
Am I was? Trying to save your voice?
I appreciate it. I appreciate.
[e-mail] comes to Chad and I.
So, you know, we'll see it. We can investigate what this

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what the opportunity is, you know, give us a little time to
figure out how to cover it. If it's a personal story, you
know, perhaps you can come and join us on an episode as well.
You know, we're we're certainly we self produce so we can do
well, literally anything we want.
So it's kind of fun so far anyway.
So you know, and you know, also,you know, give us some reviews,
give us some stars, you know, let's know how we're doing.

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You know, feedback's always great.
We appreciate it. You know, if, if we're doing a
great job, say so if, if we suck, say hey, you guys suck,
whatever, you know, we'll take it.
We're good. We've been streamed in 28
countries now, right Jamie? Yeah, 28 and counting, you know,
and that's, that's fantastic. And it's just amazing to me how
hard wide the reach is. So thank you all you know and

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and thanks for coming along for the ride and well, we'll be back
with more. All right, so I think there's.
A question here for. You who took your bookcase?
Nobody took it. It's over there.
I just moved so I had an idea for a better setup and it for me
where I'm at, it just works a little bit better.

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So yeah, thanks for noticing it's still here.
Plenty of books. Speaking of moving here, let's
do this just to confuse everybody.
Dizzy there. All right, anything.
Any last thoughts, Chad? No, I don't think so.
I appreciate you putting the time and research into that one.

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Looking forward to Tyler next week.
Yeah, you know, I was working through my time card and you
know, for work and it we two week pay period and I'm like
there's PTO on my time card for next week.
That means I'm going somewhere. It was finally.
It was like, yes, we're there. So.
Well, you know, and and we'll talk more about this next week,
but you know, the excitement of knowing you're going to do

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something when it's months away,it's different than it's week or
days away, right? You know, and now we're under,
we're under 10 days. So it's, you know, single digits
finally so. Now it's time to start getting
the batteries out for the equipment and making sure
they're all charged and. All just going to say now it's
now it's prep time. So that's my my goal the next
couple of nights is to get everything labeled and bagged

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right and make sure we have backups for backups.
You know, we're in there and we're not coming out.
So at least we're done coming. I think, I hope who knows, you
know, we're for whatever hours from home.
So you know, for me to see wherewe are.
So, you know, it's you got to take it with you.
So prepping and staging and planning and all the fun stuff,

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you know, excitement's going to keep building.
So I'm going to be bursting by next Tuesday, so.
So. Anyway, all right.
Well anyway thanks guys. History of tanze Allegheny Luna
take asylum next week. Until then y'all have a great
week. Say save, stay spooky, and we'll
see. You all right?
Good night.