The Hauntings of Leap Castle

🏰 Paranormal Lens Podcast - Season 2, Episode 33: The Hauntings of Leap Castle 👻

Dark history, violent past, and restless spirits—Leap Castle is often called Ireland’s most haunted castle, and we’re about to find out why!

In this chilling episode of Paranormal Lens, host Chad Thomas takes us deep into the bloody and haunted history of Leap Castle. From the infamous Bloody Chapel to the eerie Elemental spirit that lurks in the shadows, Chad explores the chilling legends and ghostly encounters that make this medieval fortress one of the most terrifying places in Ireland.

Co-host Jamie Widener joins the discussion as they uncover Leap Castle’s dark past, including brutal betrayals, secret passageways, and the spirits that still roam its ancient halls.

📅 Air Date: March 11, 2025, at 9:00 PM
🎧 Available on Spotify, Apple, Audible, and all major streaming platforms!

Prepare for a journey into the heart of Irish paranormal history—if you dare! 🍀👻🔥

Episode Transcript

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The. Hey, good evening and welcome to
the Paranormal Lens sponsored byJotnik's Paranormal.
That's Jamie Widener and I'm Chet Thomas and we are here to

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talk to you about the paranormaland all that fun stuff.
So how's your week, Jamie? How's it going?
It it's been great. It's been fast.
It is tech week for the kids theater program.
So, you know, as you know as well, so it's late nights and
early mornings, which are, you know, just so much fun with
teenagers, you know. Your definition of fun and my

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definition. Of fun sarcasm.
So I'm fueled by sarcasm these last couple days.
So, OK, but I want to tell you something, Chad, I got to tell
you a quick story today. Earlier the day I went to a
funeral and a cousin, a dear cousin of mine passed away.
And, and it reminded me of something that I want to ask you
and, and our audience if it's something that sounds familiar.

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So a quick back story. My, my family has had some
tragedy. We've lost a lot of folks along
the way. And on Sundays, we have Mount
Joy, PA where we are right. So my family is actually buried
in the same cemetery as the boobie family.
Go figure. I passed the boobies today as I
went around to where our plots are.

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And it reminded me that when we were kids, our parents and, and
our aunts and uncles and all ourall our cousins would, we would
rally at the cemetery after church sometime in the early
afternoon and have a picnic at the, the cemetery, you know, and
spend time, you know, commits and with her, you know, each
other, but also there to pay respects to our family and as,

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as very young children. And I'd say it was probably 4-5,
six years old, you know, we got bored quick.
So we would. Drift off and run around and
play. And in the, in the instant
amongst the tombstones and therewas a reservoir nearby that had
a right like a track around it. So we would go up there and run
around and burn off all the energy we, you know, all the
calories that we inhaled. So, and I'm wondering has

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anybody else ever done somethinglike this?
Because we, we were chatting about it, because we haven't
been doing like all together there at the same time for quite
a while. And, you know, our, our, there
were, you know, very young ones who are about the age that we
would have been who are doing exactly the same thing we did.
You know. We were kind of, you know, my
cousins and I were chatting about it and laughing it out,
you know about it. But then I thought, how strange

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is this to other people? Well, I, I didn't have the same
experience, but I didn't have, Ididn't grow up near family.
So it's like, not like, like we,you know, my, my father's family
was probably 1520 miles away andmy mother's family was an hour
and a half away or two hours away.
So we didn't grow up around those.

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But I, I, I remember, you know, going to church and some of the
churches having a graveyard or cemetery and like going to a
picnic and running around, you know, doing the same sort of
thing. But but yeah, we didn't gather
and, and do that. But, you know, I think that is
an interesting part of culture. And when we talked about the the
cemetery in Philadelphia, we talked about how that was a big

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part of culture for a while. So.
That came to mind as well. And you know, this is nowhere
near the size of that. It's, it's a hilltop.
It's got a fantastic view. You know, it's always kind of
pleasant there. It's it's, it's appeasing, you
know, like it's not like just crammed in some place with high
walls around. And nothing wrong with that
either, but it's the necessity. It's just one of those places
where it would be nice to spend time.

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And we did. We sure did.
And and that's some of the reasons they were built in those
places, so. Sure, makes sense, you know.
So you could rest an eternity there, but when your family came
to visit, they were looking overa nice, peaceful, you know,
place that they'd want to be as well.
So, So Tom Carmelo with us tonight.
And they say that they're sorry for your loss, Jamie, and as

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well as Jim so. I I love Jim's comment, sorry
for your loss. Yes but we used to get yelled F
to not run over the graves. Yes Sir I did too.
I remember that now that you said it.
But it was OK to be at least notin eyesight to climb on the
tombstones, the vertical ones, but the flat ones, we weren't
allowed to be on those at all. And and for some reason that's

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different kind of respect, I guess.
But yeah, running around the tombstones too, as well.
That was that was just we were OK with that, but we couldn't
run across the flat ones. Yeah.
OK. Good.
I'm not alone. Thank you.
No, no. Yeah.
I told this story do at at work to a couple coworkers, you know,

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and they said, what is that why you're into the paranormal?
Yeah, that's it. I don't.
I think it's a little, yeah. Yeah, OK, you got me.
So anyway, sorry, take the time.No, no, no, Jim said.
My mother used to turn off the radio, so I don't know.
Was that when it was time to go,the radio went down?

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Because I can understand that, you know, that was your cue
because you could, you could hear the, you could hear music
across the place. We had the same idea.
We had like a car playing instead, some of the car radio
playing instead, because we're all kind of close to that on the
driveway. And when you know that or you
know, a horn honked, you know, because we could be a property,
it's a pretty big place. You know, we hear the car, the

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car horn honking. We knew it was time to hustle
back. Yep, so so Bert says good
evening in prayers and Kathy says hi guys.
So Kathy, good friend Kathy, good evening.
So and Heather was looking for atale from Ireland and.
Yep. Oh, it's.
Coming. I see, I see, I see.

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Jim said. The Dead didn't like the loud
music in the car, so as they were going in, they turned it
off. So that makes sense.
That's fair, that's fair. That's that's one of those
times. If it's too loud, you're too
dead. No, that that's not the phrase,
is it? OK, nevermind.
No. So so should we move on?
Jamie, we. We probably should hop to
something else. OK, so Jamie, I'm going to give

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you one last chance to say this because I know you've enjoyed
it. I.
Have what are. We, what are we?
What are we doing tonight, Jamie?
We are going to jump into Leap Castle.
We are so but Jamie, you're using the American pronunciation
of the word for leap, but locally it is known as LEP
castle in Ireland. So I'm going to go with leap

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because I'm just going to confuse myself if I try to
change and I'll go back and forth.
So and the other thing that. We we have in many episodes we
have, we have blatantly Americanized things so.
That's just true. American it up in here, as I
believe I've said before so. The the other thing I really
didn't think about being was this is being this close to

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Saint Patrick's Day and I scheduled a an episode on an
Irish castle. So sometimes luck just plays
into it. So here we go.
Did. You say the luck of the Irish
played into it. Oh, you maybe.
Maybe. So.
All right, So tonight we're going to start our episode on a
road trip. OK.
We're in the county of Ofeli, Ireland.

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We're in the foothold hills of the Sleeve Bloom Mountains.
We're traveling north on R 421 from Roscreo to Kennedy.
So we're travelling through lushrolling green farmland.
We seeds, we see fields full of different types of cattle.
I'm sure that Heather was seeingthe the long haired Highland

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cattle that she she likes. As we drive we see the
occasional machinery, business or sawmill, but there isn't too
much to see on this lonely IrishRd.
When we're about halfway to our to Kennedy we come across an
intersection on our left. We look across the road because
we, you know, we're driving on the other side of the road now.

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We see an old stone structure sitting by the road.
A few 100 yards behind that we see an even older structure
standing beyond a phone stone fence.
Being the intrepid adventurers that we are, and maybe having
spent way too much time with ourgood friend David, we decide to
explore. We make our way through the

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wrought iron gate down the hill to the weathered structure.
The three story tower house, which sorry I forgot to do
something here. The three story The three story
tower house, which is most likely the original part of the
castle, still stands in grandeureven though it has been adapted

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over the years. The original 2 ordered doors
that would have been there and they've been protected by an
upper Mashi Mashi collation havebeen replaced.
Now that is I, I did some investigating on that.
That is openings above the, the,the in the above the door in the

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base of the structure where there was a walkway where they
could fire arrows and, and things down through.
So anyway, so we gain access to the inside of the castle and as
we stand in the middle of the tower, we look around.
We see mural passages, spiral staircases, fireplaces and we
imagine what it must have been like to live in this centuries

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old Irish castle. The air is heavy and thick with
history. Or is it something else we
sense? Is there something lurking in
the shadows? There Very well could be.
This is Leap Castle and it has the reputation of being one of
the most haunted castles in the world.
This has been the site of familyfeuds, betrayals, executions,

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and ghostly encounters for almost 600 years.
Though we don't have an exact date as to when the castle was
built, the structure that we know today is believed to have
been built in the early 1500s. It is also surmised that this
structure was built on an earlier castle and before that,
some believes that the Druids used the site for initiation

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ceremonies. As you can imagine, the site has
seen much bloodshed, violence and tragedy over the years.
Our story begins somewhere in the late 13th or early early
14th century. At this time in Irish history,
the O Carroll clan was the ruling clan of this area.
Under them, Under them, as the secondary Chieftain, was the

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O'bannon clan. Legend tells us the O'bannon
clan had picked the site to build their stronghold, but
there were two brothers who werevying for control and
chieftainship of the clan. The only way to settle the
dispute was to have a display ofstrength and bravery.
How do Irish do that? In this case, it was not about
drinking out drinking one another, though that may have
played into this. It was decided that they would

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both jump off the rocky outcrop where the castle was slated to
be built. The survivor would be would have
the honor of being Chieftain. Now we don't have any details on
who won, but legend has it that after the first brother left
from the outcropping, the secondone waited, watched his brother
fall to his death, and then walked away the victor.

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The castle was built and became known as Lame Ibane, meaning
leap of the O'bannons, and it was over, eventually taken over
by the O Carroll clan who truly ruled the area.
That's not like a challenge to figure who who's a bigger idiot.
Yeah, exactly. First is the bigger idiot.
Right, right. So so.

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The O'carroll's ruled the ruled Leap Castle until about 1649.
At this time an English soldier named John Darby, the Second
from the Cromwellian forces, took control of Leap Castle.
From what I can piece together, Darby may have lived and
defended the castle from 1642 to1649 and was given the castle in

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lieu of payment for his services.
Now it seems like there was a lot of things that were done in
lieu of payment for the serviceshere.
This was the beginning of a longline of the Darby's who
controlled the castle. If you visit the Lee Castle
website you can see the entire list from 1649 through 1889.

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Jonathan Darby was the last Darby to inherit the castle from
his grandfather in 1889. He and his wife Mildred Dill
lived there until 1922. It is believed that Jonathan and
Mildred would would hold seancesin the castle.
This was the first recorded activity about Recorded activity
about paranormal activity in thecastle doesn't mean it was the

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first activity there. It was the first that was
recorded. The last Darby family live to
live there did extensive remodeling and to fund this much
of the land was that was part ofthe castle was sold during the
Irish Civil War in 1922. Is believed that the castle was
looted and burned to its stone shell.

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It lay dormant and uninhabited until it was purchased in 1974
by Peter Bartlett. Others believe that Darby may
have burnt the castle to file a reinstatement claim.
Nevertheless, Bartlett, Bartlett, Bartlett purchased
what was left of the estate in 1974.
His mother had been a descendantof the O'bannons, so Bartlett

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was interested in the property. Bartlett and his builder, Joe
Sullivan, carried out extensive renovations and restorations
until his death in 1989. In 1991, the current owner,
Shawn Ryan and his wife Ann purchased the castle.
They continue to do restoration work and experience paranormal
activity to this day. So that's a quick rundown on 525

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years of history, Jamie. So what are your thoughts so far
before we dig into the paranormal side of it?
Well, a lot of bloodshed, a lot of a lot of trauma, you know, a
lot of love I'm sure as well forthe place.
So I could certainly understand how there could be activity.
I'm assuming you're going to tell us about some activity
though, right? Yeah, yeah.

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You want to hear about that? Maybe.
Yeah, I'm, I'm kind of curious. Anybody else?
Yeah, there. There's there's still a couple
little things that we got to we got to cover.
So let's start with the discovery that was made during a
renovation project in the early 1900s.
A hidden dungeon was discovered near the Bloody Chapel.
This dungeon became the name became known as the Ubliet or

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Pit of Death. There was a shoot beside the
Chapel that led to a pit that was lined with spikes.
Inside, they discovered hundredsof human skeletons that have
been impaled on wooden spikes. It is said that there were so
many that it took 300 cartloads to remove all the bones.
Is that the catering company? Maybe.

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Maybe It is believed that the the O'carrolls would trap
enemies and leave them to die slowly.
The Ubliet, the word name ublier, comes from the French
word ublier, meaning to forget. So you threw them down the pit,
and this was a deep pit. It was like probably 15 or 20
feet deep. You threw them down there on the

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spikes. It's said that they pulled out
over 150 skeletons, so pretty. Like I said, they were pretty
ruthless. So earlier I mentioned the story
of the Bloody Chapel. Going a little more in depth on
that story, we learned that after Mulroney O'carroll,
there's a great Irish name, diedin 1532, he was a strong leader

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with no plan for succession. This allowed a fierce rivalry to
develop within the family. Brother turned against brother
in a struggle for control. As I alluded to earlier, one of
the brothers, Thaddeus, was a priest and was holding Mass for
a group of the family in the Chapel.
His brother Tag bursts in late and rushed to the altar, at

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which point he plunged his swordinto him and fatally wounded
him. Thaddeus fell across the altar
and died in front of his family.Now, do you think these two
things may have left some unresolved energy at the castle?
Some people do. In the Bloody Chapel, there have
been reports of strange lights flickering, not only now but

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when the castle was completely abandoned over those all those
years. But that's not the only thing.
Disembodied chanting is heard and shadow figures have been
seen. Some believe that the priest
also still haunts the Chapel. So what about all those
prisoners? It is believed that they still
haunt the castle too. Visitors and guests have

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reported hearing cries, whispersand moaning sounds from the
dungeon area. They have also been been reports
of hearing heavy footsteps beingpushed and touched.
Every location has to have a female female spirit and Leap
Castle doesn't disappoint. A woman in a flowing red dress
has been reported to be seen in the hallways or looking out the

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windows. She is often carrying a dagger.
It is believed that the Red Lady, as she has become known,
was imprisoned and assaulted by the O'carrolls.
While in captivity she gave birth to a child who was killed
by the O'carrolls. This led to the this led the
woman to take her own life. Now if you go to the Leap Castle

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website, it lists several of thehauntings.
I'm going to go through a couplemore of those.
One of those hauntings is believed to be two young girls.
Emily is 11 or 12 and Charlotte seems to be six or seven.
It is believed that they lived at the castle around the 1600s.
So either at the end of the O'connell's reign or at the
beginning of the Darby's time, the girls are often seen in the

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main hall or running up the stairwell.
Some believe that Emily died after falling from the castle's
southeastern battlements. People outside the castle have
reported seeing a girl falling off the castle roof and
disappearing before hitting the ground.
The sound of a child scream suddenly cutting out has been
heard numerous times by the Ryan's.
The current owners, Charlotte, has been seen with a deformed

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right leg that almost that is almost totally turned backwards
and drags back backwards behind her while she's running after
the older girls. Another haunt that seems to
interact with guests more than the current owners is referred
to as The Governess. Typically as she she is seen in
the main hall with the two younger girls.

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Guests have reported being touched or having someone brush
past them. A neighbor of Shawn Ryan's was
having lunch at Lee Castle one day and both him and his female
guests were sitting near the fire.
They saw a proud lady in a Victorian entire attire walk
diagonally across the main hall.After discussing what they both
saw, the previously sceptical neighbor has changed his

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thoughts. An old man has been seen
numerous times sitting peacefully by the fire in the
main hall. Mildred Darby wrote this
description of what she encountered.
Now this is the woman who did seances and and probably was one
of the first people to be able to see what was going on there.
There is a little old man with agreen cutaway coat, knee

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breeches and bright shoe bucklesholding a leather bag in his
hand. Sometimes seen with a little old
woman with skinny hands, long black mitts, old fashioned dress
and a big headdress. Both are sometimes seen with an
old man dressed like a priest with an intensively cunning
face. The green old man tries to stop
people. So I talked earlier about

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Mildred Darby having seances in the castle.
It is believed that Mildred encountered one of the scariest
and most feared spirits in the castle.
It's known as the Elemental. It is described as a dark,
shadowy figure about four feet tall with glowing red eyes.
When it was sighted, the putrid smell of sulfur and rotting
flesh often accompanies it. When Mildred first encountered

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it, she described it as a small,deformed creature with a
decaying face staring at her from the darkness.
Where do they think this originated?
Some people believe it was from Druids that may have conjured
the spirit. Some believe the Druids or
earlier cultures use the location as far back as 500 BCE.

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Others believe that this the discovery of the batteries in
the Ubliet, along with Mildred Derby's dabbling in the occult
may have released the spirit. Others think it may have been in
O'Connell who died of leprosy. We may never know, but the good
news is that the current owners have never felt that presence.
In the mid 20th century, it is rumored that a group of people

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from the O'Connell family stayedat the castle.
I'm sorry. Yeah.
O'Connell family stayed at the castle.
This group of men reported seeing a tall shadowy figure
standing at the foot of their bed.
There were also they also heard whispers and breathing in the
darkness. They had door slam shot on their
own and one man reported being pushed down by an invisible

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force. Could this have been members of
a rival clan keeping up the battle?
So what does Shawn Shawn Ryan, the current owner, think?
He's been there since 1991, working on restoring it.
He's experienced many of the things I reported earlier.
The list of things he has documented includes chanting
from the Bloody Chapel. Even when the castle is

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completely empty, he feels cold spots, hears whispers, and sees
shadow figures moving in the halls.
With all of this activity, he isn't scared.
He claims that the spirits aren't malevolent but are
protective of the castle. So there are many more stories
on the website for the castle, so feel free to explore them
yourself. I know if I ever find myself in

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this part of Ireland, I'll be checking the castle out.
Now you may be wondering if the castle has been investigated by
any reputable investigators. Ghost Adventures, Ghost Hunters
and Paranormal lockdown. Most Haunted, a British
paranormal show, have all done episodes there.
All right, so not all of them may be reputable, but there has

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been evidence that was documented.
Zach Baggins and his crew recorded a shadow figure moving
on camera. One of the crew reported feeling
intense pressure on his chest, like he was being pushed down.
I'm sure we can guess who that probably was.
The team from Most Haunted hearddisembodied voices and
footsteps. One investigator felt an

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invisible hand grab her arm in the dungeon.
I found a video online of investigators Sam and Colby
along with guests Katrina and Stasia on a YouTube video that
where they documented an investigation that they did in
the castle. They started out by using an
Ovilus device as well as flashlights, and we're getting

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relevant answers to questions both through the Ovilus and the
flashlights. The discussion LED them to
believe that they were talking to Thaddeus, the priest.
They then used an envoy device to communicate with Mildred
Darby. They asked her about the
elemental. If you want to believe what they
discovered, Mildred. Mildred told them that the

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elemental was an old spirit fromDruid times.
It was not her that created it. She said that the elemental was
still there, but they were not in danger.
The elemental was current currently dormant.
When she did her seances, she woke up the elemental.
Since there hadn't been any investigations happening in a
long time, the elemental had lost its energy.

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So it's I found that sort of interesting.
While they were asking questions, one of their video
lights turned off. After looking into it, they
determined that the light shouldhave lasted for six more hours,
but the battery had completely drained.
Had Mildred used the power from their light to communicate with
them? They then moved on to an

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automatic writing session. As they were doing this, the two
girls began to see light anomalies and shadow movements.
They were hearing taps and they continued to have equipment
issues. They had at least 2 camera
batteries die which caused them to lose footage when they
started. The batteries had plenty of
power when they tried the automatic writing session again.

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A cross or a dagger, depending how you looked at it, was drawn
on the paper. Was it spirit writing?
I can't say one way or another. They show the planchette moving
with them, touching it, but not focusing or even looking at it.
That's one of those. It just you can't tell.
I, I, I I don't buy it, but I don't not buy it.

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Yeah. I get it.
From there they moved to the Bloody Chapel.
When they put a R.E.M. pod by the ubliette, it started going
off. They reset it and it started to
go off again. They had some other interesting
events. There are several videos of
investigations at Leap Castle, so I I recommend checking out
them and doing some investigation online yourself.

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So according to their website, Leap Castle is open for visitors
and tours Monday through Saturday, 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM.
All you have to do is contact the current owner, Sean Ryan.
There's an e-mail and phone number available on the website.
I'm going to close with a summary written on Celtic
Elegance website. Leap Castle's blend of blood

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soaked history and intense paranormal activity makes it one
of the most intriguing and terrifying haunted locations in
Ireland. For those brave enough to
explore its dark past, the castle offers an unforgettable
experience filled with spine tingling ghost stories and
unnerving supernatural encounters.
Whether you're a believer in theparanormal or a skeptic

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intrigued by history, Leap Castle is a destination that
captures the imagination and invokes a haunting sense of
mystery. Just be sure to keep an eye on
the shadows. You never know who or what might
be watching Jamie. I'll let you think about that
for a minute while I quote some sources.

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Leap castle.net is the website for the castle
celticelegance.com, Google Maps,little houseofhorrors.com and
youtube.com. Sam and Colby demonic encounter
at Ireland's most haunted castle.
Always got to be a demon in there somewhere, huh?

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Yep, so. I'm surprised if Ghost
Adventures were there, they didn't find one as well.
Well, I'm sure they did. I didn't.
I, I, I try not to watch too much of that.
Hey. Hey.
So Jamie, what? What do you think?
Well, you know a couple things. One is, you know, castles are

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aren't built to be like summer cottages.
You know, they're fortifications.
They're meant to protect something or a place.
You know, some, there's a reasonand it's usually a position of
power. You know, a lot of times there's
conflict there for so you know, and you described a lot of it
through the years and centuries,you know, which can lead to a

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lot of activity. And it doesn't surprise me at
all. I don't, I don't know of any
castle anywhere, you know, especially European castles with
age that don't have some kind ofa story about them, you know,
along the paranormal lens right there.
So, so I'm not surprised to hearany of this, you know, and, and
it's, it's fascinating to me howbarbaric people were in their

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air, you know, and, and just, you know, the pit, you know,
concept and the dungeon with just dropping people down 1520
feet on the spikes. I mean, that's that.
I'm sure this isn't the only place that had that, you know,
and, and you know, the, the torture devices that came
through the era as well, you know, just the stuff that people
did to others. It's it's amazing.
And that energy has to go somewhere, you know, as that

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person was, was, you know, passing on.
So I'd like to think they go home to some beautiful place
that that is fine to them. But, you know, unfortunately,
sometimes they get trapped and here they stay and, and this is
that place, you know, I'm sure alot of love was there too, you
know, for the families through the years and all the
transitions. And I find it interesting that

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you mentioned the lady in red and then I forget the the name
of the other lady. I I want to share this with you
here and I think it's a good place to step into it.
I came across an article a week or so ago that I I set aside for
a while just to get to it when Ihad time.
But it's from Atlas Obscura and it is basically saying why are

(29:37):
so many ghosts women? OK.
You know, and here's the, the, the I'll, I'll drop the, the
article in the comments so you guys can see it.
But, and the, the tag of it is, do women's souls have more
sticking power? Are women more motivated to
return to their mortal coil after have after mortal coil has
been shuffled? Are female ghosts more memorable

(29:59):
to us? Or perhaps we're more likely to
think of a woman in white dress when we see an errant patch of
fog or ectoplasm, as it may be. So, you know, we think about
this. So we see that every castle has
a, a woman in white, in this case, a woman in red.
All of these old places have that, you know, in this case has
two resident female ghosts, maybe more.

(30:21):
Yeah, but it does strike me. We don't see men in white, you
know, we it it, we assume it's awoman automatically.
We just put it there. It's fascinating to me.
That is interesting. So let me let me click this and
drag it into the comments. Sure.
See, Bird said. We need to get the Jotnicks crew

(30:42):
to Ireland and of course, Todd and Carmela said any castle in
Europe is on the bucket list to visit and investigate.
You know what that means? Road trip.
Absolutely. And Bert says, because they're
not done nagging yet. Bert, there's there is the

(31:05):
article. There's the article.
Thanks for doing that, Jamie. I just did.
Interesting and I find it we, you know, we're we see we see
the children too, a lot of timesin that, you know, there's at

(31:27):
least two strong child spirits here and we don't think about
that. When you think about a castle,
you think about the you think about the, the, the battles and
those sorts of things that happened there.
But not just there was family life in these places as well.

(31:48):
Well, you know, maybe maybe looking in it from a different
direction, but you know, kids inthis era weren't kids of this of
our era. You know, not at all they.
You know, I'm, I'm fortunate enough, I live really close to
two Amish farms, you know, and then I everyday I pass through,

(32:09):
you know, down the road by them and the kids are out there every
afternoon, you know, especially in season now.
It's, it's, we're not there yet.We're, we're not planning quite
yet, But they're out there working the fields.
They're out there working the farm, the barns, you know,
dealing with the livestock, all the stuff they have there.
They are from a very early age incorporated into the industry
that they are. And, and I can only imagine, you

(32:30):
know, and, and I, my, I'll use my grandparents as a good
example. My grandmother is one of 13
kids, you know, and they were farmers from Southern Virginia.
So, you know, many hands make light work.
You know, everybody was expectedto step in as soon as they were
able to, to lift something or dosomething.
You know, they were in the tasksof what it took to get things
done. So here, you know, that same

(32:52):
thing, that kid is the youth at least is it drained in that
castle. The energy is there.
They were active. That was, you know, and, and if
there was a battle, they were called upon to do something to
help support the defense of it, whether it was running weaponry
around or, you know, ammunition around or whatever.
Or being nurses and, and doing that part of it and.

(33:12):
Taking nourishment, you know, whatever it may be, they were,
they were, you know, they may not have been carrying a sword,
they might not lift one, but they were certainly engaged in
the activity. But the other thing is, if they
could, they wanted to. Well, sure, that was the
expectation. Like, you know, it you, you
defended the family, you defended the castle.
So. Totally understand.

(33:33):
So. So do you, do you think there is
paranormal activity there? I do.
I definitely do. Yeah, yes, about you.
Yeah, I, I, I think so. I, I don't think there's any
doubt about it that there's, there's stuff there.
I found it interesting. Not again, not that I believe
the, the Sam and Colby thing like they're, they're ghost

(33:56):
hunters. You know, they're not, I don't
know that they're paranormal investigators, but they're ghost
hunters. But I found it interesting
watching their, their episode, They, they interviewed one of
the women who, who's there, who is a medium and, and, and sees
things and stuff. And she recognized one of their
friends or their guests as an intuitive and just the

(34:21):
discussion that they think that they had with Mildred and the
elemental energy. I I find it really interesting
that the, the end, the the elemental feeds off people's
energy. And one of the thing that
Mildred's husband Jonathan said was he didn't believe in it.

(34:45):
So not believing in it. They think once Mildred was
gone, him not believing in it took away its power and its
energy and caused it to go dormant.
But then it just takes people being there and feeding into
that energy to bring it back. So.

(35:07):
How long? How long does the just with the
research you've seen, how long has the castle been open to the
public? I missed that.
If you said it, I'm sorry. I don't know that we have a a
definite time frame, but it was 1991 is when.
Transition to new owners. Transition to new owners.
A lot of renovation had already been done.

(35:28):
It was a ruin when they it was taken over by Bartlett in in 74.
So it was a complete ruin at that point.
So the, you know, the fact that it is open now and I'll just
have to dig into that a little bit more, but I don't know how
many paranormal investigations they have there.

(35:49):
Sure. Well, we know 3 or 4 are like
key ones, obviously 5 probably, you know, you mentioned in the
in the, the scale of things. And then you know that I say
bigger ones because they were television crews and production
value and all that stuff. But you know, you know, this
this kind of this kind of reminds me of the the
opportunity we have at the Boobies Brewery.
You know, Sam Allen, the currentowner took over the place in the

(36:12):
87 or something like that. You know, it was a bit rundown
was a lot rundown. You know, it was because idle
for 40 years or so between, you know, the family coming out of
it and then you know, him comingin, you know, been working to
restore it ever since kind of thing.
Obviously it's well restored already.
Those have been there, know that.
But we're always in this in these such old buildings.
There's always work to be done and there is no way that, you

(36:35):
know, the property in Mount Joy is anywhere near as old as Leap
Castle is, or any castle in Europe or anything in Europe for
that matter. Yeah, this, this, this 250 year
old building here or whatever itis, is you know, the addition in
the back of some places. You know there's 525 years of
documented history here, right? So it's, you know, we say that

(36:58):
and you know, we, I say that to say that it's nowhere near that,
but you know, the idea is the same.
The parallel is that, you know, a place that was left go idled
for quite a while and then you know, someone, someone took the
time and had the care and the passion to bring it back to
something that is now being enjoyed by many others and has
been for quite a while now. You know, in the 90s, early 90s

(37:20):
to now, you know, we're talking 35 years.
It's quite a bit. So, you know, it's fantastic
that someone took this on and I'm so happy that they did.
You know, my only, my only remorse of it all is that I
haven't gotten there right. And I hope that stays open until
I can someday. Well, Heather put it up a
comment that said they drove by two times when they were over.

(37:41):
They don't think it was open. It's on their list.
To see Heather. What I would say is check out
their website. It has Sean's phone number on it
and his e-mail address. Reach out before you go and see
if you can set something up. Next time, yeah.
Terribly sent, yeah. So I know it says they were

(38:01):
closed in February there and that's still up on their
website, but it does sound like they are open them quite often,
so. Yeah, I would imagine this is
very much like White Hill, you know, with the winter months
being without heat, you know, anidle time perhaps where, where
you, or at least you go at your risk because of the risk of
exposure. But you know, summer months, I'm

(38:24):
sure there's there's quite a lotgoing on there.
It would make sense. So, yeah, I would hope, yeah.
Talking about energy feeding into things and stuff like that.
Jamie, I'm going to do a little teaser on, you know, I'm, you
know, that I'm going to do an episode of my father's house,
the house that I grew up in while we were growing up.

(38:44):
There was definitely activity there, but as the kids left,
like, as you know, my brothers and sisters and I moved out, the
activity seemed to wane. And it's not because my my
parents didn't believe in it, but I think that that youthful
energy was gone. And my dad doesn't really want

(39:05):
to see activity there at this point because he's there by
himself. Sure.
But I, I think, I think that maybe, you know, and we may be
into some of the same thing thatif you're not feeding into that
energy or, or that energy isn't there to, to feed off of, things
start to die down. So it's just, it's, it's just

(39:26):
interesting to me, so. Well, you know it.
It's, it's not unlike when we goto a new location that's not
been investigated. You know, the idea that we have,
you know, we have to start freshwith the spirits that are there
to teach them how to communicateand engage with the equipment
and the opportunities that we bring.
Obviously learn about who we aretoo.
There's a value here of trust. You know, if you were just to

(39:50):
walk into my house, you know, I've, I've said this so many
times, people ask a lot of greatquestions during investigations,
You know, like, well, you know, how did the ghost know to engage
with you? Well, they don't.
First of all, right away at least you know and and I would
be. This is the analogy I would be.
You know, the same way if you come into my house and and you
know, walk up to me when and start asking me a whole bunch of

(40:10):
questions and expect me to do like some dog and pony tricks,
you know, of knock on something,make this happen, You know, like
get out of my house full. I'm not doing this.
Get out, you know, and then, butthe reoccurrence, the
opportunity of reoccurrence really allows for the, the
knowledge of who we are, the care and compassion that we
have, at least I feel we have asinvestigators to, to really get

(40:34):
to know what's going on here. And, and hopefully that warmth
brings in opportunities for engagement.
And we found success in this and, you know, with what we do,
where we are, but we've also hadthe opportunity to go back to
several other places, and I think that helped us there, too.
So yeah, and I'm open to others thoughts on this too.
But you know that that's my takeat least, right?

(40:54):
But you know, running in and asking for all kinds of stuff to
happen isn't necessarily the right approach.
Right, Todd and Carmela asked. Do you think the one elemental
entity is more predominant in a location than another?
It doesn't. I think the castle is big enough
that and they weren't specific enough about it.

(41:15):
I think it's probably in specific areas, but they didn't
name what those areas are. There are definitely things that
happen near the pit. There are things that happen
near the the Chapel, but I thinkthe elemental is more all over
the building or the structure. And my my thought there too is
it may not be confined to the structure.

(41:36):
I didn't do much research on what happens on the grounds or
anything like that. A lot of the grounds were sold
off of over the years. But if it was truly a druid
worship place there, there's a good chance that that you know
it would not be confined to thatthat castle, because that didn't
exist at the time. Right, it wasn't there yet.

(42:00):
Right. At 500 BCE?
Absolutely. So yeah, I mean, it's, it's
hard. Question though, it really is.
And you know, I, I took the question to mean, you know, like
it kind of like in the sense of spirits as well.
You know, we are, we're often dealing with more than one thing
at a place, you know, and how does, how does one get in front

(42:21):
of another? Like, you know, like to be heard
sometimes, you know, like I keeptalking right a lot.
So, you know, how do you get a word in?
You know, you might pause perhaps, but sometimes you just
got to say, dude, you know, and step in, right, right.
So, you know, when there are more than one, you're engaging
with more than one spirit. How does one get ahead of the

(42:42):
other? Well, that's that's always the
curiosity of mine as well. Well, I, I let me expand on that
a little bit. Are they interacting with each
other or are they in different planes?
And you know, like, and that that's my question.
Like, are they really in the same time plane, same, you know,
like are you talking to two different spirits who have no

(43:05):
idea that they are what you know, they they may be
communicating with you, but theyhave no idea that the other one
is there? True.
That's fair. So.
And maybe, maybe they have a spokesmodel talks for them.
Maybe beer at Spokesmodel? Oh, Jamie, but but there's and

(43:29):
having some of the investigations we've been at,
sometimes the way that things come to us, it like they don't
connect, but it's like you're having multiple conversations
that aren't connected to each other.
Maybe it's because they don't know they're there.
We've we've captured conversations that were
happening without us involved atall, right, You know, and
certainly and and I go back to the Haldeman mansion there on

(43:52):
the upstairs in the second floorin the back near the servants
quarters. There was, there was a couple
times when I captured two women talking, not, not in a lot of
audibleness, but there were definitely 2 voices and they
were clearly talking to each other because there's no one
there. Like once left a recorder sit,
walked away, you know, came backan hour later and here's here's
what we got. So you know, and I, I know we've

(44:13):
caught that elsewhere as well. So it's, you're maybe right, you
know, and maybe they don't know that we're there sometimes,
which is fascinating. Yeah, I mean, this, this whole
multidimensional possibility is intriguing.
Like, like we we could all be having our own lives, our own
timeline in in the same places. And you know how does that work?

(44:38):
The way it's working right now. Exactly.
We'll never, well, I don't want to say we'll never understand
it. We won't understand it in our
existence. So.
Most likely, yes, that's fair. Well, we're really getting deep
into the paranormal, rabbit. Hole.
We really leaped right into thisone.
Oh my. I, I should be done with that.

(44:59):
It's so much fun though. So this is, this is really
interesting, you know, and, and I, I think when, when you stop
to really look at something likethis, you know, you can, you can
have this kind of conversation about almost every part of the
paranormal and that's the cool thing.
And and this is what I say along, you know, like we, we
have no bounds to what we do, where we go with things that

(45:22):
we're going to talk about here. But everywhere, you know, and I
know we're not the only ones having these conversations, you
know, and that's the rest of it is that we're all talking like
this and around this kind of way.
We just got to find a way to funnel it.
Right. And then there's what Todd said.
Or they are like, we're here again.
Do we need to communicate with them?
By them you mean Jamie? I can't.

(45:43):
I get it. Fine, I'll stop talking.
So yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely a lot to think about.
And that's what makes the paranormal so intriguing.
I mean, you've got the history, you've got this depth of thought
that's like, wow, you can really, you can really dive into
it. So or leap into it.

(46:06):
Jamie, I'll get there. You go.
Hop right in. So all.
Right. Well, do you have more?
Is there? No, no, no.
I think that's, I mean, that's it.
I just you know, just you know what what keeps things there,
You know, we we get we could go on for hours, you know, with
some of this having it such an old place and you know you.

(46:30):
Know just and that's, that's thequestion I'd like to have
answered anywhere we go to, to the spirits that are present,
like what keeps you here? What is what is this the thing?
What's the one thing that that makes this your place?
And I, I'm sure there's many, many, many, many reasons and,
and unfortunately we just can't capture that, but it is, it is

(46:52):
something that's that I'd like to know.
Yeah, and they would tag. This is yours.
So it makes the fact the paranormal investigation so
interesting. You're absolutely right.
So, well, we could go on and on,but let's let's talk about

(47:15):
what's coming up. Yeah.
So next week we are going to, well, we're, we're going to talk
about Tommy Knockers. And the more I dig into it, I've
dug into it already, there is going to be some connection to
Ireland and the UK as well as here in the US with what Tommy
Knockers are. And I won't give too much away,

(47:36):
but I'll, I'll tell you, it's a deep subject.
All right. And then the week after, on the
25th, chat's going to dive into the dibic box.
April 1st, I'm going to talk about paranormal hoaxes because,
you know, April Fool's Day, why not?
And then we get into the fun stuff.

(47:58):
So April 8th, we're going to talk about the history, and
Chad's going to tackle the history of the Trans Allegheny
Lunatic Asylum in advance of ourtrip there on the 10th of April.
So you know, we're talking abouton Tuesday, we'll be there
Thursday investigating. So basically we're going to sign
off that night and go pack our bags and get out and get ready
to get out of town. So and coming back on the 15th,

(48:20):
we're going to go over hopefullyhave some of our Co
investigators with us that evening to to go over what we
experienced, at least in the sense of personal experiences.
I'm not sure we'll have time to really dig into evidence review,
but you never know. We're we're all intrepid people.
So we're going. So we might have something to
capture the capture the show. So, yeah, and I, you know, I

(48:43):
Chad, I keep saying this every week as it gets closer and
closer, but I, the excitement keeps building and you know,
it's, it's a simmer now. It's a bubble next, you know,
next week it's going to be a boil.
So April 10th cannot come fast enough to get us out there so.
Exactly. So I'm really looking forward to
that. So it's going.
To be great and then so talk. Whoops, I hit too many buttons

(49:07):
again. So we have some upcoming
investigations at Booby's Brewery, our home base in Mount
Joy, PA. These are all open to the
public. We're back on March 22nd, so a
week from Saturday. And then again, we're off to
Tala on the 10th and then back to the brewery on the 25th.
26th. I'm sorry, it's a very, it's
like a one font. Holy cow.

(49:28):
I have glasses on too. Wow.
And then May 17th, we're having a Para Unity event.
We'll have a little bit more information next slide, but
that's going to be with Landon Legend Paranormal as a sister
team to us that night and then coming around on the June to
June 21st. For the first half of the year.
We have more dates, of course, for the second-half.
We'll get them up as we get morespace on here as we scroll

(49:51):
along. But those ticketed events are,
they're still slots available for all of them, although I do
believe the 22nd is starting to sell pretty quickly as we get
closer. It always does.
So if you're in the area and you're interested in coming out
and joining us, do not wait too long as it may be a sold out
event by the time we get to thatweekend.
But Boobies brewery.com/entertainment is the

(50:11):
spot to find tickets and that will transition you over to
their saver stub site, which will be the place to actually do
the purchase of the ticket. OK, so let's go a little
further. I got to find my mouse again
too. Why did I move it?
Like seriously, I have two screens here and I lost it on
the other one. I got you there.

(50:31):
You go click, please. All right, so talking about that
para unity event on May 17th, we're going to have Stacy and
Gary Smith from Landon Legend Paranormal join us.
Great investigators, good people, maybe, maybe great
investigative investigators, even greater people.
I'll go that far. We're going to we're excited to

(50:52):
work with them. Well known in the field, well
respected. Just, you know, I'm not trying
to get past Tala, but I am looking forward to May 17th as
well. But a fun night and really
curious to see how they approachcoming to the brewery and and
investigating with us there. So come see us that night too.
Yeah. All right, next slide.

(51:16):
All right. And of course, if you don't want
to do a public event, you can come and do a private one.
We could have the whole place toyourself.
They are the brewery has three floors, the bar level on the
main floor, which is the original Eloise bar in the
central hotel property building of the building, the dining
rooms upstairs into what's now the ballroom.
But it was the residence level for the Bubi family and down to

(51:38):
the catacombs and some spaces inbetween as well.
So if you're interested in scheduling a private
investigation, just reach out toour team founder Melissa Keller.
And that is a new e-mail addressof Melissa at Jot JOTT dot dash.
I'm sorry, NYX, NYX paranormal.com.
And again, Melissa at JOTT Dash or hyphen, as the fancy people

(52:02):
say. NYX paranormal.
Dot com more to come on that too.
And if you're coming, let us know.
We'll pop in and help investigate with you if you're
interested. All right.
Next slide. Next slide.
So you found us here tonight on either Facebook or YouTube here

(52:25):
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Again, sorry for the beginning when we had some technical
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Fix. Yeah, we got to fix what
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(52:46):
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This is the joys of live entertainment, you know.
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It does not. But of course, there's lots of
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(53:08):
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(53:31):
Yep. One time, Jamie, last week we
were talking about Stacey Smith and she has her own podcast.
Her podcast is the Rustic Spiritpodcast.
Yes, it is. So, you know, check it out.
We like to, you know, give credit to other podcasters out
there. So definitely check out her her
podcast and she's going to join us in a couple.

(53:54):
Weeks. So yes, we have a special
episode coming up. Yeah.
So we're actually we're in the next in the next few weeks.
It hasn't, we haven't put it outyet, but we are going to have
some other guests coming on right after the Tawa episodes.
We have the Dos house, Jamie, we're going to bring people in
from the Dos house and talk about that.

(54:15):
So it'll be. It'll be fun.
I'm, I'm, I'm excited for all ofthis, you know, well, anytime we
get to engage with others in thefield, you know, and that's,
that's the joy of going out right and getting away from home
base, you know, for us and of course other investigators come
and join us too. But anytime we get to engage
with others, you know, of of like mind and spirit unintended,

(54:38):
you know, you you learn something, you know, you expand
and and I think, you know, again, there's room for
everyone. So it it helps, you know, if you
can put another bag, another thing in your bag of tricks, you
know, to do or a piece of equipment perhaps that you
haven't used before and you get to experience with someone else,
you know, that's, that's fantastic.
It's always open for it. Yeah.
So. All right.

(55:02):
Well, Sir, you. Have any other thoughts tonight,
Jamie? I don't other than, you know,
the the I should probably share Heather's comment here.
I I read this twice to make sureit was clean.
Going back, going back to what we were talking about earlier
though, if you watch the show Ghosts, which is a British adapt

(55:24):
adaptation BBC comedy, but the American show Ghosts, I think
it's on CBS comedy half hour episodes, fun to watch.
Great show. Great show, really.
Really funny those ghosts are waiting to be sucked off,
meaning they go to the afterlifeso.
And it's of course a play on words and fun there so yeah,

(55:44):
aren't we all just waiting for that?
So I do want to share one quick thing, something that I'm.
I'm going to have to give Chad Thomas a whole lot of credit for
and and so forth but we got someswag guys, so we got stickers.
So if you see us out and about somewhere, ask for one.
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(56:08):
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I've got one on a water bottle. I've got one.
I got 1 stuck to something. Somebody doesn't know where it
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But yeah, you see us out and about.
We'll we'll be having some on us.
So feel free to say, hey, I needone of those stickers.
Yeah, and. We'll help you stick it.
Yeah, and we we have black ones and white ones, so.

(56:30):
White ones. And now we have some some new
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So we'll see you around. If you come to investigation ask
us, we'll have them at the our investigations.
So yeah, sorry. Anything else, Jamie, or is that
good? Yeah, it's good episode.

(56:50):
Thank you. As always.
You're welcome. Or to seeing everybody next week
when we talk about Tommy Knockers.
So. All right.
Well, we're going to try to get out of here and hopefully this
works better than the beginning of our show work tonight.
So all right, thanks everybody. We will talk to you soon.
Good night all.