The Trans-Allegheny Investigation

🎙️ Paranormal Lens Podcast - Season 2, Episode 37: The Trans-Allegheny Investigation 👻🔦

In this spine-tingling episode of Paranormal Lens, the team returns from one of the most anticipated investigations of the year—Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum in Weston, West Virginia!

Join Jamie Widener, Chad Thomas, and fellow members of the JOTT-NYX Paranormal team as they recount what unfolded behind the asylum’s towering stone walls. With 10 seasoned investigators venturing into the darkness—and all 10 returning—the real question is: what did they bring back with them?

From shadow figures and mysterious sounds to unexplainable interactions, this episode dives deep into their personal experiences, equipment hits, and the emotional toll of investigating a place with such a tragic and haunted legacy.

📅 Air Date: April 15, 2025, at 9:00 PM
🎧 Available on Spotify, Apple, Audible, and all major streaming platforms!

Lock the doors, turn down the lights, and get ready—because the team is telling all, and some things you just have to hear to believe. 🕯️💀

Episode Transcript

(00:32):
The. We did.

(01:45):
That's for sure. Exactly.

(02:44):
I don't we can. I do have some images and slides
from where we were. Let me and I'm not sure what's
going on with the this squishingof the video there, but that's
that's. Weird.
Oh, there we go. OK, there we are.

(03:04):
All right, well, here it is, right?
So yeah. I was, I was impressed with how
big this place is. Like you see it on in pictures
and stuff. You see it on video.
You know, there's lots, lots of programs have been there and you
don't get a feel for it though, unless you have a massive
television and how big, big it really is.
I mean, not just in height, but also in length and the width,

(03:28):
you know, it's four floors tall.There's wards and then wards on
wards, you know, left and right each way.
I mean, it's just amazing. And then some depth in the back
of the building that you can't see here of course either.
Yeah, and. Multiple buildings and the scale
of The thing is just so huge. Each each wing was what?
Each wing was probably 150 feet long and then you had a little

(03:51):
hallway into another wing. Yeah, I think from end to end, I
think they said the building was1/4 mile, just massive, so.
You know, we we walked most of it so.
Yeah. So other than there we are in
front of the plaque. We've thanks to Heather and Bert
for taking the picture here. This thing faces for radio right

(04:13):
there. Yeah.
And some of the, you know, the, the building in the middle of
the building and in the, you know, the common spaces.
It's amazing how pretty it stillis, you know, because it's been
well maintained, well up kept and and restored for that
matter. And even we're into I think it's
Ward a heading over toward the Civil War wing.

(04:36):
Just just amazing what it would have been in its time.
But then there's other places where time has done its toll And
really, you know, you can see, well, we went into the annex
part and, and there's, you know,braces hold the walls up and the
windows at least. And, you know, from collapse,
you know, there's some, some spots that have just really, and
those are the, that's part of the newer part of the building,

(04:59):
you know, just some stuff that'sreally gone downhill fast.
Amazing. And the conditions that people
would have been there in toward the end as well.
It's only been 30 years of of shuttered time.
Yeah, but the the time of sitting, sitting idle, the time
sitting idle, if you remember what Crescent looked like,
Crescent closed down in the 90s as well.

(05:20):
And that looked like desolation photography when you were in
there too. OK, that's fair.
Let's see, we'll jump over to the next time.
Just what I was also amazed by was how wide open some areas
were, right? You had, you had the narrow
hallways, but then there were areas that were just wide, wide

(05:42):
open, which obviously wouldn't have been in the day, especially
towards the end. They said towards the end these
would have just been lined with mattresses, Not even beds, just
mattresses on the floor that people were sleeping on.
There were pictures of that in the in the ward where Lily's
room was. If you remember like the you

(06:03):
just saw the mattresses laid outon the floor in the pictures.
Yeah. Edge to edge.
And you know that that original,the original building was meant
to hold 250 patients and three times that much staff, about 750
staff, so 1000 people total. And, you know, toward the end it
was, it was in the 2526 hundred range for patients.

(06:27):
So the necessity of that, you know, putting, putting people in
the in the halls and everywhere beyond doubling, tripling up
rooms, It's amazing what that that crowd would have looked
like. And the din of it all too, you
know, the noise that the people just make noise, you know, like
unintentionally, you know, and imagine, you know, Chad, you,

(06:47):
you and I know all about sensorykids, right?
You know, imagine what that would have been like for
somebody with sensory issues in,in that space at that time.
I, I, there would have been a pun intended, madding, amazingly
so. It was eerily quiet for us
though. It was nothing but, but but
ceramic and echoes like concreteand ceramic echoes with us

(07:11):
because there were only what, 10of us there, right?
Or 10, Yeah, ten of us. And it's enormous facility.
So at least we weren't on top ofeach other.
Right. And we had two staff there that
night. They they pretty much stayed in
the break room. The ready room, yeah, you know,

(07:32):
and the option was there for, you know, their engagement,
which was great. And you know, we, I know at
least I did. I'm, I'm sure others did.
When we came back through, you know, in between our, our, our
sessions, you know, ask questions about certain places
and then the knowledge was there.
I mean, it certainly that this should be, I guess that
obviously they're, they, they'reemployees, but Brandy and Zach,

(07:54):
who were our guides that night were fantastic with answered
questions and providing some insights as well.
You know, that's, that's paramount.
It's not just like here you go, doors open, run.
You know, you definitely had some options there to to get
feedback. Tim had a comment here I'm going
to put up. It's going to cover you up.
Jamie, I'm sorry, but this placeis another that was open with

(08:16):
true intentions to help people. Many places start off that way,
but take a bad turn at some point and lose their core
mission. Yeah.
Well, once, once revenue was needed right then, then you
start taking in anybody who is willing to pay and, you know,
going on being awarded the state.
You know, some of the folks who were there certainly had no

(08:37):
business and, and especially those who were violent offenders
and things, you know, with, withthe innocence of some of the
patients, you know, and it's, it's just a travesty.
And obviously some of that that played out into the the tails
of. And we talked about last week
how you could be admitted for, like, we were joking about the

(08:58):
things you could be admitted for.
But there was one story about a,a woman who was admitted by her
husband because of postpartum depression.
And she got in and they, you know, was being, you know,
observed. She was in the observation ward.
And she was like, I, I don't know what you're talking about.

(09:19):
I've never had a baby, so I don't have postpartum
depression. And of course, they're, the
nurses are thinking that this person has a problem.
So they're, they're trying to, you know, yes, it's OK, you
know. Well, and the woman ended up
taking her own life because she didn't, she wasn't sick, but she

(09:41):
didn't want to be there. And they went to notify the
husband, and the husband had dropped her off because, and he
lived in the same town, but he had dropped her off because he
had a mistress who was pregnant.And the mistress had given him
the ultimatum, it's either her or me.
And so he dropped her off at theAT Trans Allegheny went and got

(10:01):
married the next day. And when they went to notify
him, he was already remarried. Yeah.
So. And then the interesting part of
this and then and this is I don't know where this is
elsewhere, but for certainly forWest Virginia, once you've been
assigned, assigned into a mentalfacility, if you are married,
the marriage is null and void. Yeah, it's pretty null, yeah.
That was the the point of her being, you know, admitted was

(10:24):
to, to get out of that marriage so we can move on.
And I think if I remember that story correctly, he went that
morning and dropped her off, andin the afternoon he was married
again. Yeah.
Pretty. Yeah.
And she she. You know, committed suicide that
night. So amazing.
And how many times do you think that happened?
You know, just I mentioned it inour episode last week, but the
other the dumping off of people because of the burden they were

(10:47):
on that whatever that dynamic was in their household.
You know, you're just tired of you, you want to go somewhere
else. So you, you, you lose your wife
that way. Or maybe wives lost their
husbands too that way. I don't know.
I mean, I would hope it's equal,But you know, how many times
were your your kids just, you know, being kids and you decided
this is enough? It's amazing to me.

(11:08):
So I don't know if you saw Todd,Todd and Carmela said they're
jumping on to say hello. They've had a long day.
Hope we had a great investigation.
Hey guys. Good to see you.
So I'm going to make a change here, Jamie, so we don't keep
covering up your face. I don't.
Nobody needs to see me. It's OK.
That's. A lie.
So thank you so this. As the sun went down, it got

(11:34):
better. Had our had our team meeting,
had our team dinner, you know, took over the small burger
joint. We sure did.
Yeah, Weston is a very small town.
Not a lot of restaurants are. I mean, there's a lot of little
restaurants and they were definitely local places.
And I I stopped for lunch and felt really out of place.

(11:58):
I stopped for lunch and got it. You weren't from round here, but
that was up in however you pronounce that tent, that
bucking on, or it's like it's spelled Buchanan, but it's
definitely not pronounced that way.
Right. Yeah.
Well, that's that's around here.When you say Lancaster versus
Lancaster, you know someone's not from around here.
Yeah, right. So, yeah, yeah.

(12:20):
So, Bert, I'm talking. To place and everybody turns a
look at you. So welcome, Bert, glad you could
jump on with us. I'm guessing Heather's packing
for the trip. So this this one graphic here
gives you an idea of how big theWards were, like how big the
place was. Yeah, the, the bottom one is the

(12:40):
first floor and then the other four floors on top of that.
And it just, it kept going like we had said earlier.
Yeah, and you know you can, you can get turned around relatively
easily, and we did. If you recall, we were looking
for Dean's room and we went the wrong way.
We went up the completely complete other end of the

(13:01):
building, you know, and, and coming to an area where it
didn't make sense that it was because it the rooms didn't look
right. And you know, like, well, I
guess we went the wrong way. And then, you know, 10 minutes
later we're back where we in themiddle of the building and
heading to the right direction. So we really can can, and many
have gotten twisted in there. We got lost trying to find
Dean's room. Yeah, we did too.

(13:25):
So Tim says visiting these places today that were shut down
in the 80s and 90s makes me wonder what it is like currently
at the current state-run psychiatric hospitals like
Greystown and Norristown. Yeah, well, more regulations for
sure. And, you know, still a shortage
of of facility folks, you know, doctors, nurses, that kind of

(13:49):
stuff, the caregivers, there's always been a shortage there.
I I think. Social workers, things like
that. The difference there is though,
they won't take people if they don't have enough beds or, or
staff, right? Which create another problem
because there's people who need help who are waiting in
emergency rooms or or just hospital rooms who are under

(14:11):
observation all the time becausewhich is sucking up other
resources. It's just so it's a, it's a
domino effect. Absolutely.
Yeah, I completely agree. And yeah, or that or with the
waiting list, you know, it's someone has to discharge or
worse to get a bed, you know, open.
And, and I don't know if there'sregulation on this.

(14:33):
I, I wish Frankie Adaio was withus tonight.
It's it's it's profession to be in the social work.
But you know, there are there likely are now regulations to
say that you can't do this wherebefore it was just like, what's
one more? We could use the revenue.
And yeah, one more becomes two more, becomes 100 more.
Next thing you know, the facility is 100 times over its

(14:53):
capacity. I want, I just put this picture
in. Sorry, Erica, I put this picture
in because I thought these maskswere intriguing.
They were obviously it was a 2 sided mask.
The outside that you look at from for you look, you're
looking at what the patient thought, how people saw them.

(15:17):
But on the inside of the mask wehad words and art of how they
felt they were viewed for themselves.
For. Themselves.
So it was really, it was really interesting.
And there were what? Probably a dozen or so of these
masks. More than that, there's there's
four cabinets, probably a dozen in each, if not more.

(15:40):
But but we found out crafts was an important part of the therapy
there. Yeah.
And this, this room is a galleryof art that was created by the
patients of the facility. And there is a, a wing just for
arts and crafts. And there are still some murals
up that are art for from the thepatients.

(16:03):
But the, the director of this, this part of the facility wants
to shut down. She took everything with her as
as opposed to just, you know, dumping it and, you know, and as
restoration came and new ownership came around, they were
made contact and she was happy to donate it back so it can be
visible again. There's some really cool stuff
in this room. There really is definitely.

(16:24):
I never made it back to that room throughout the night, OK?
Well, Chad, you, you and I were at West Virginia Penitentiary,
you know, a while back and we were, we were walking through
the JK block. There we were, you know, walking
in cells, looking at the artworkand taking some pictures.
But to me, you know, like that, that is all on the walls and in
the cells, you know, the prisoners themselves were were

(16:45):
creating things. And I asked that question here
if there was art in the rooms and they, you know, they, they
didn't have that because they had the program and, and thought
that was an interesting way to change things out, you know, and
obviously, you know, it's hopefully everyone has the
ability to be when they desire to be creative to do so.
You know, that's certainly not didn't seem to be stepped on or

(17:07):
stopped, you know, in any way. It was encouraged and you can
see why. What's in that room?
It it certainly they were. They flourished at it, which is
cool because you need that release.
Yeah. So this was just, well, the one
one was the picture on the doors, which was would have been
areas that you wouldn't have been able to be admitted to

(17:28):
either without a nurse before and then.
Just. This is how some of the rooms
were just grading and. It's an isolation cell.
And Jamie and I and David did see a ghost.
We found one. We found one.

(17:48):
There's two actually in that room.
There's one. There's 2IN.
That room, yeah, this was out inthe Civil War area, which are
there they used for balls and things like that.
Fundraisers. Fundraisers.
So, so we, we, we had to take the picture of a ghost that we
definitely did see while we werethere.
And that that's you want to talkabout like a wing that never

(18:11):
ended. Oh my goodness.
That walking down that way was just ridiculously long.
Also, it was 3:30 or so in the morning, so you know it was
after probably a few miles of walking through the rest of the
facility as well earlier. So that's this is up in the this
is one of my photos. This is up in the violent mail

(18:32):
ward outside of Dean's room heading down that hallway right
there. And that's Jerry, you know, meet
up against the wall now. That's when Jerry that that was
during the first session when Jerry and Melissa and myself
were in Dean's room and I was I was woefully uneducated on

(18:53):
Dean's story. I wasn't until I got there the
second time with you 3 that I was able to kind of relate a
little bit better because I, I didn't understand why Dean's bed
was covered in so many child artifacts and coloring books and

(19:15):
things of that nature. You know, there's a lot of pup,
you know, pup patrol stuffed animals and such on it.
And this is where we had gotten a little bit of activity in the
hallway. We didn't get a whole lot that
first session in Dean's room. Now, upon review of some of the
evidence, Missy and Jerry ended up finding some, some more

(19:40):
stuff, which is the the next couple of photos where if you go
back to the previous photo, Chad, this would give an idea of
where we are. That narrow hallway is to the
left. So that's the what you're
looking at is that that wall right there is that outer wall.
And then the isolation cells areright on the other side of that

(20:03):
wall. And then I'm pretty much
standing in the doorway with Dean's room directly to the
left. OK.
And that's where I mean, we, we got a little, we, we got a
little activity in the hallway again, Misty and Jerry went
through and, you know, reviewed the evidence and this is when I

(20:25):
was with them. So the photo on the far left.
Is me in Dean's room, you know, and then the far the the middle
photo is the one that Missy has all the questions and the rest
of us have all the questions about because it's supposed to
be me, but I don't recall ever being behind her like this.

(20:47):
And if you look at the, if you look at the figure in the
photographs, you can tell it's alot taller than I am.
I stand at a very average 5 foot10.
And you know the, the image, thefigure in the hallway, even
though like if you look at the shoes, the shoes look exactly

(21:08):
the same and it's in blue, you know, blue jeans and, and a
black hoodie, which is what I was wearing.
But you know, if you look at theupper body, the upper body seems
elongated. Like my arms aren't that long.
It seems incredibly tall, and the head just seems a little
misshapen. And we all know that your

(21:29):
target, yours is. Well, I mean I have a giant
melon but like, I don't like theand my ears are crooked but I
don't think it's misshapen. You know, I agree with you and
we've looked at this as a Group A couple Times Now.
And, and the other side of that too, is that, you know, the
misshapen this, but also there'sthere's a haze there.
So there's no clear definition of facial features or the the

(21:53):
ability to tell which way, you know, things are facing.
I mean, I, I don't think something that person is looking
to their hard left, which would be the only way it makes sense,
But that would have to be such atwist of it at the neck, you
know, to, to make that happen. I I the face is just blurry
which. Is and there's nothing to the
hard glance of that figure. That's just the wall at the and

(22:15):
and the the door that hangs openfor Dean's room.
Yep, they know exactly where you're at there, and that's why
it's so very unique as well. And, and I believe Missy said
that she had you, you actually popped your head out because
this is the the 1st 2 pictures are part of a film video and you
actually popped your head out. So where you are and where this

(22:38):
person are are two different things.
You know, online, Yeah. So, and the one on the right is
a, a, an actual photograph. So I think we're picking up some
of the IR, which is the red in the the bottom there that's
circled. Yeah.
I see that too. So it's just this one's, this

(22:59):
one has us all scratching our heads.
Right. I agree.
And this, this area here is one of the areas that I got the most
activity in mostly with you guys.
So Missy and Jerry and I, we didn't have a heck of a lot of
activity there. Again, Missy's found some stuff
that we're still going over whenit came to the recording.
But when we got down there with you all, after we split up on

(23:23):
the 4th floor and I went to the other side of the 4th floor and
sat by myself for 20 or so minutes, you know, I came
downstairs. And that's after you all had
found your way down to Dee's room after your sojourn to the
opposite end of the third floor.Turn.

(23:44):
And it but that became, you know, there was a lot of
activity in the hallway. You had what seemed like were
power surges when it came to thewhen it came to the trip wires.
You know, anytime we we'd get activity on the trip wire, you
know, something would be agitated and but everything

(24:05):
would go off all at once. Because we had two trip wires.
You had one in the hallway, We had one in the room and the
story on the story on Dean's room.
I'm not going to go into detailsbecause there seems to be a
little discrepancy from what Melissa found in research on on
autopsies, but it had something to do with three men, one named

(24:27):
Dean, who ended up passing away the Big Jim and.
Dave Yeah. Dave Mason or something like.
That Dave Mason. Dave Mason.
Yep. And an interesting thing that
happened, we were, we were trying to do yes, no answers
getting, you know, with our flashlights and stuff.

(24:47):
Jamie was running, running an app, I was running an app and
we're getting some, some relevant things.
And then Jamie said, my app justsaid, hi, this is Jim or
something along those lines. Yeah.
And I mean, that is the most relevant thing that I've ever
seen come out of an app like that, so.

(25:09):
I said that was AI have a, an AIenhanced voice recorder with a
digital read out. And that was the that was what
was present on the screen. And we didn't hear that, you
know, in the moment that was not, you know, anything out
loud, but it was, it was enough to be captured.
So I again, I have not gotten, I'm sorry guys, I have not
gotten to to review any of the audio yet later this week.
So hopefully maybe something more to share with that next

(25:31):
week or or soon after. OK.
But yeah, you definitely relevant to at least the story
that's been told there. So yeah, that was definitely,
that was something interesting. The creepiness of the dead bell,
like that's the every time you'll be just sitting there and

(25:51):
you're asking a question and you're just used to the
responses from the flashing lights or the equipment, and
then all of a sudden it's just this in the middle of the
darkness it's gaining. Yeah, it's a little off putting,
but it's clear. It's clear and it's concise, you
know, and there is, you know, I had that.

(26:12):
There's a, there's, you know, the dead bell is a, a regular,
you know, like we'd find on the desktop, you know, at a hotel or
someplace, you know, restaurant with the chef where the cookwood
ring to get pick up for orders, what not and has an EMF detector
inside of it as well. So it has an adjustment there
for it's on. And then you can turn it all the
way up, which makes it hypersensitive or you can keep

(26:33):
it very low, which makes it minimally sensitive.
I had it about 1/4 of the way turned up just just not knowing
what to expect. So it wasn't all the way where,
you know, anything could have been picked up on it and it was,
it was very reactive to our question.
So I, I feel pretty good about it, you know, in the sense that
it wasn't just randomness in thesame way that we had tripwire

(26:54):
activity in the room as well, you know, which was near, near
to where the bell was placed on the floor.
So really cool. And it it's it's quickly
becoming one of my favorite devices to use.
So before I go to the last slide, let's just talk about
some of the other experiences wehad.

(27:16):
There was a whistling that seemed to follow us around the
building. And, and when people, when
people at work have been asking me about it, I'm like, what
happened? I'm like, well, we definitely
had this whistling. And I'm like, it's not a whistle
like wind blowing through a building because that's a that's
a tone that's like 1 tone. But this, this was a 2 tone like

(27:39):
trying to get your attention. I'm not even going to try to
whistle what it was, but it was.It almost seemed like a person
was like following us doing a whistle.
Well, yeah, it it started duringour tour because Tim kept
jerking his head around and Jamie kept jerking his head
around. Like does anybody else hear
that? Yeah, We started the Our start

(28:01):
of the evening was in the hydrotherapy room and we were
hearing it there, but it soundedlike it was coming from the
hallway. So Tim and I went out in the
hallway and walked down to the end of the ward, which is where,
and we have a slide of this where the the person is believed
to have been seen in the observation room.

(28:21):
Whether whether there's a local band that recorded a music video
there and there's a capture, youknow, of someone who isn't
supposed to be there, at least by by statement isn't supposed
to be there. Who knows if it's true or not,
but it's a very clear person. And that's where we wound up
stopping at because that's wherethe sound stopped.
And we hung there for a little while and then came back through

(28:43):
into the surgical wing walk through that, heard it there,
you know, and then it just continued.
And, you know, if it's on one end of the building, you know,
and, and that end of the building is closest to the road,
if you will. And there is there is physically
a bar across the street, you know, within 150 yards or so.
So, you know, there's, there wasdefinitely music coming from
there. Occasionally we were in danger

(29:04):
and we heard that, you know, because most, a lot of the
windows, believe it or not, a lot of windows in this facility
are open, which we're missing. We're missing, but many were
just physically open. You know, that's bizarre to me.
But you know, that allows a lot of drift if there, you know, and
luckily there's this, this placeis so big and the grounds are so
large. There's nobody who's really all

(29:25):
that close at any time. You know, cars were going by in
the far front. Cars were definitely going by on
this road, which is a road takesyou out to the to the Sharp
hospital set up, you know, so itwas busy, but the bar itself was
open, so every time the door opened you heard the jukebox
kind of drifting across the yard, so.
I mean, I know we also heard it up on the 4th floor.

(29:47):
Yeah, the. Opposite side, that's what I
want to say is like we're hearing it down there.
I kind of started to maybe dismiss it for something that
was close to that, you know, human activity kind of area
where when you get to the 4th floor on the far other end of
the building, you're half a mileaway and you're elevated.
And it was just as clear there as it was anywhere else and all
the other floors along the way. And Erica says here that that

(30:09):
was no wind. I heard the whistling whistle
coming from that side of the building when I was outside and
I couldn't figure it out. Yep.
So and like I said it did, it was throughout the whole
building. So I just had another thought,
but let's go to Bert's come in here.
I had to pull my I had to put myhood on my hoodie, pulled it up

(30:31):
while we were taking the tour, then fairly.
And his hoodie, his hood pulled on his hoodie, to be clear.
Yep, and that was very early on actually too.
Still in the medical wing. And that was well, this Burton,
Heather and I, Jamie and I took a tour earlier in the day and
we, we all had some experiences on that.

(30:53):
I mean, I, I felt like at one point something had breathed
down my neck, which was a littledisconcerting.
Yeah, because I looked at Jamie and he's like, what?
And, and I say I think somethingjust breathed down my neck when
we were in the was it lobotomy recovery room, Jamie, but.
No, we were. For what I recall, we were on

(31:14):
the 2nd floor in Ward 2 and there's a, you know, there's a
hard door at the middle of, of the, each part of the building
and that door was shut solid behind us.
We got about 1/4 of the way downby the day room and I, I was
positive somebody was coming up behind as quickly.
And then you, you had to, you know, your, your, your situation

(31:35):
happened. And we both looked at each other
like, what the heck, you know? And I, throughout the building,
I kept hearing women talking that weren't there.
Like we had several women in ourgroup, but I would look when I
heard this talking and they werenot talking.
That happened to me down in, I think that was at in the
lobotomy recovery room where that was going on.

(31:56):
But then it also felt like somebody was pacing behind us.
I got AI got a lot of the the movement and the pacing feeling,
especially when I was by my whenI was up on the 4th floor by
myself. OK.
I know Erica and I in the children's ward, Which got a lot

(32:17):
in Lily's room, but when we weregoing to leave, we both turned
around because we were right at the door that went back into
that main area and we both heardit sounded like someone was
running up behind us. Yeah, that's, that's that's
exactly what it was on the 2nd floor, Like someone was
hustling. Yeah.

(32:37):
It was almost to me, it felt like it was someone that was
like, oh, they're going for the exit, I need to get to the door.
Right, so Bert said I only got 1segment of Heather's audio
reviewed but got some weird sounds I couldn't explain and
she didn't hear at the time. I would, I would venture to
guess that we're all going to have that in, in all of our

(32:58):
files. I, I, I just can't with
everything that happened there. I think we're going to find it.
That's that's, that's really cool.
Yeah, Tim, I can say, yeah, I had the same thing.
It this is one of those place that you could go spend a week
there every night. And I think investigating it

(33:19):
actually during the day would bereally interesting as well.
Yeah, I we had more, I think just as many experiences during
the day as we did in at night, like personal experiences.
Sure. I mean, what's what's just why
paranormal activity doesn't happen only at night?
Right, exactly. You know, we just have the
advantage of IR and, and other, you know, elements, the calmness

(33:43):
of the space and then the regionaround it and all that stuff is
the advantage. But you know, certainly activity
happens all day long. Well.
If we, if we go by, if we go by floor, I was a little
disappointed in the 4th floor. You know, the 4th floor has all
the stories. It's the most terrifying area of
the hospital. And you know, the creepers are

(34:03):
on the, are on the 4th floor, onthe opposite end of the floor
where all four of us were. And you know that in the, in the
wing that we were in it, it, I just, I was getting absolutely
nothing. You know, I was in the room with
the gamblers for obvious reasons.

(34:24):
And you know, even though I feltlike there might have been a
connection there through, you know, the shared interest really
nothing. You know, a little flashlight
activity, but nothing. And like I don't recall if you
guys got much not in the hallwayduring during that session.

(34:45):
It was it was pretty calm. Yeah, the, the whistle for sure,
you know, and, and there is as you're walking down to that end,
there is a big fan on the end ofthe wall, you know, at the end
of the hallway. And I, you know, I heard the
whistle and I thought it was coming from there, but really
was the room to the right, whichis just a large sized room, like
a guest room. It was really where I, where I

(35:06):
was coming from, at least I believed it was coming from.
So that was the primary thing. We had some some tripwire
activity if I'm not mistaken. And then we had like it would
like run and they would stop because I was like halfway with
the tripwire and it would stop like right halfway.
I know there was a door that wasopen and I did.

(35:28):
See. Like shadow figure popping in
and out right I. Remember you talking about that?
Yeah. And you know I.
Watching the, the video of this guys, I got to tell you it was,
it's one of my favorite things to that we've done because we
had laser grids on both ends facing away from each other.
So the hall was illuminated in, in dots and then we had trip

(35:50):
wire on the floor. So the purple haze of that it,
it, it creates a pretty cool visual And, and I'm, you know,
you're, you go crazy staring at every dot on a grid, right?
You know, but watching the grid as as hard as I could, you know,
then you see the pop of the, of a trip wire, you know, one of
the wire boxes on the floor. You take your eyes away, you
know, and you can't you can't possibly see all this at the

(36:12):
same time. So, you know, maybe something
happened there, but and I walkedup to that doorway that in in
question just to see, you know, what it was.
And the interesting thing was the door was open, but the room
that it belonged to was before the door.
So, you know, someone was up, upthe hall further if they were

(36:33):
standing behind that door comingin, you know, coming in and out,
there was a, you know, a gap in the wall and then the next room.
So it wasn't like they were coming out of a room.
They were behind it to standing in the hallway, literally.
That's curious as well. Yeah.
Do you want to talk about Lily'sroom?
Because we had some, we had someactivity there as well.

(36:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. So.
Erica and I, we started in Lily's room.
Well, first we went into like itwas like the play area and the
children's ward set down the deadbell, everything.
And we were getting nothing in there.
So we decided to go into Lily's room, set everything up and we

(37:19):
had the deadbell as low as it could go with the sensitivity.
And I have a video of us gettingresponses from Lily.
We were using one Ding for yes, 2 for no and.
All of the questions we were. Asking.
We were getting an answer to that's.

(37:39):
Health panic. It was interesting.
That room probably felt the lightest in the whole building.
It was like we were laughing, like it was a very light, joyful
feeling in there. And Jamie, we didn't use the
dead bell in there, did we? We didn't and I regret it.
I was thinking about it right around the time we were deciding

(38:01):
to, to move on and I was like, by the time I get this out, get
it set up, we'll, we'll need to go.
Should I should have had it fromthe start?
Agreed, agreed. You know, we had, we had
flashlight activity. And, you know, that was one of
the questions that I, I, I askedintentionally, you know, because
there was, there was some, I don't know.
I I guess. Concern.

(38:21):
From. From folks is that Lily may not
really be a nine year old girl so I asked point blank you know
are you a nine year old little girl you know yes or no and the
the flashlight's a yes so we gotwe got the pop now obviously
anybody can tell that right you know but you got to you got to
trust something as well at some point so we did get at least a

(38:42):
direct response to that so according to the.
Staff Lily is a story that is undocumented, whereas a lot of
these stories that they have documentation on the the Lily
story about her mom being there,having the baby, passing away in
childbirth. This is all.
There's no documentation. For it so they actually they

(39:05):
don't really go into this story that much when on any of the
tours or anything, which I foundinteresting because it is one of
the biggest stories that you'll find out there about trans
Allegheny so and it's one of the.
Biggest stops when we went in, there were toys and just a great
deal of of gifts for Lily in there throughout the whole room.

(39:27):
I mean, balls and toys. And we brought a we brought a
little stuffed animal and you brought some candy and Jamie
stiffed her and I totally do. I'm so sorry to.
But like and she seemed. To she seemed to enjoy it
because we set the we set the flat side up right next to the
little stuffed animal that we brought.
We asked her if she liked it, and she turned it on right away.

(39:49):
And so that was, that was a goodmoment.
That was a really good feeling. A good moment, yeah.
I'd be interested to see becauseErica was holding a camera and
she was angled out towards the door into the hallway and we
could see into another room and.We.

(40:10):
Both kind of noticed there. Looked like there was someone
standing in the other room so I would be really interested to
see if that was picked up somewhere.
Well, I kept getting motioned inthat.
Hallway if you remember Chad Jamie at the end of art session
in there, I couldn't stand it anymore.
I was on my feet all night. I had bad joints from the
military, so I needed to sit down.
So I went out into the hallway and I kept looking down the hall

(40:34):
of my life to my left and in like the that that area has a
like a gaming area, like a, it'sgot a chess board and, and you
know, like a sitting area. And it just looked like
something, I kept catching movement out of the corner of my
eye, like something back and forth across the hallway.
Cool. That, and there is.

(40:58):
There are claims of activity, you know, a little further up
the hall there toward that direction is, is Ruth's room and
the old Ruth and who is who, youknow, hates men for.
And I, I don't remember the story off off the top, but there
was there's a point to it and and very likely she was admitted
by someone in against her will as as it was at the time.

(41:18):
But there is in that about that,you know, maybe 1/3 of the way
up the hallway from where you were sitting is that area so.
Certainly could have been comingout.
To check you out. All right.
Possibly that and that wing downthere.
Was very evident, like there wasa definite line of demarcation
from where the restoration. Started and where it ended.

(41:43):
You know what is like gradual like in some areas it was
definitely you walked out of this nice painted hallway and
then BAM, you were in again the desolation photography you.
Know with the paint. Peeling off the walls as you
walked, as you made it down intothe Civil War area.
Down there, Yeah. Yeah, I found it interesting
they. The one of the guys talked about

(42:05):
how the restored areas, he gets very little activity in and
it's. More like.
There was more activity in it before it was restored, so I
don't know if I just found that interesting.
Yeah, I'll. Share this with the Bert's
comment here. The whole night I felt like
there was someone behind me, butnever saw anyone.

(42:28):
I haven't reviewed video yet, but you may find something.
And I I kept expecting as I was reviewing, you know, like how,
you know, I, I'm wearing a GoProon with a chest strap harness
thing. So it's, you know, everywhere I
walk, it's in front of me and every time I turn, you know,
with and I have a red light on my, you know, clip on and it's

(42:49):
giving me enough light to see and and enough to project a
little bit ahead of me. Every time I turned, I kept half
expecting to see somebody, you know, and, and, and to be
honest, I was a little disappointed.
I didn't. There were times when it, you
know, we certainly felt like there were people around us, but
just weren't there. It just, it just kept.
Feeling like there was somebody checking us, checking us out,

(43:09):
like, you know, we felt when we were in Dean's, when I was with
you guys in Dean's room, it almost felt like somebody was
doing rounds, like Jim was doingrounds.
And then again when I was when Iwas up on the 4th floor on on
the side where I was by myself and then I had the tripwire laid
down. I had two cat balls.
And then my, my little like, like back door favorite piece of

(43:31):
equipment is that. Hello, welcome.
Motion. IR you know.
IR motion detector and you know,I can remember sitting there and
and listening to the silence andtalking, you know, as we do
talking to the darkness and it just felt like something kept
getting closer and then I would have the triple wire activity

(43:53):
and then my cat balls would go off and then you get a hello
welcome. It was like just like some
something was walking up and checking you out and then
pulling back. Didn't want to interact, but
just like walking up, checking you out and pulling back.
And that area that I was in was famous for the creepers and the
things that were supposed to be more.
You know, I didn't, I didn't feel like it was any of that,

(44:15):
but it was more of kind of an inquisitive, you know, maybe
because there's a lot of, there are a lot of groups.
I mean, obviously it's it, it, it operates constantly, you
know, and so there's a lot of groups and I would assume that
there's a lot of of. There's there, there's.
Probably a huge range of professionalism when it comes to

(44:36):
the groups as they as they show up there.
You know what I mean? Yeah, so well and.
The other thing is you would have like the nurses who put
their heart and soul into this, that would have been their job
was would be to observe and to like they didn't interact with
the patients. They just observed because

(44:56):
that's what a lot of those thoselike viewing rooms were.
Nurses just sat in there and watched what was going on.
Sure. So, you know, they could.
Be orderly as well who are who really job job was to directly
interact with the patients. There's a lot of, there's a lot
of that residualness that certainly could still hold there
for, for the time. And, you know, there, there

(45:18):
were, we heard stories too, though, of the like in the
unkept ward, how there were people who wouldn't last half a
shift and they they either off or, you know, said they weren't
going to do it anymore and wouldn't be elsewhere, you know,
and that's, that's folks who never cared for themselves.
So, yeah, I'm assuming that would be would be a pretty rank
place to be, you know, with individuals who refused to bathe

(45:39):
or or didn't, you know, clean upafter themselves after, you
know, using the restroom. What not so, or using a restroom
on themselves, you know, that is, is that a restroom at that
point? No, anyway, you get to gist, you
know, so, you know, there's thatidea, but there's got to be
places where folks were really happy to be there, especially in
the early times when it wasn't overcrowded and it wasn't a a

(46:00):
menagerie of of guests they had to deal with or patients that
you had to deal with. And you're not sure what you're
going to get. Well, speaking.
Of the early times. Like the one of the big feelings
that I got there was when we were down in the Civil War wing
and we walked into like the big holding area and the 9 posters

(46:21):
are there of the original 9 women that were that were
brought there. I believe that was, you know
what I'm talking about, right? Yeah.
Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, I apologize.
That's my cat. So what you were saying, you

(46:46):
were talking? About feelings that you got down
there, Dave. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm sorry. The cat distracted me the well,
I mean that that was just one ofthe big kind of emotional
moments for me was looking at this and and looking and seeing
that there were only a couple that were married and but but
looking at the the. The Clinical.

(47:08):
Like the cold clinicalness of what's on those placards, you
know, marital condition and I don't know, it wasn't marital
condition, it was social condition, condition.
And then what, what brought themthere, what they were dropped
off for there, you know, acute mania and you know, some other

(47:31):
things. Like it was, I don't know, it,
it made it kind of a little bit more real for me because it's,
it's a little bit easier to see the pictures of the at least for
me, it's a little bit different to see the pictures of the wards
full of the dead eyed, medicatedor manic or just absolutely, you
know, catatonic patients. And then to see like to realize

(47:55):
that those were the 9 that started it all, but those were
the first nine that were broughtthere.
And you know, it, it, it like I said it, it was the first
emotional moment that I had. There's weight in that room.
You're. Absolutely right.
And and where it went from thereis, you know.
Obviously with good intentions. To start, but poor, poor

(48:17):
execution toward the end with that.
And that those that was the roomwith.
The rain buckets that weren't dripping before we got there,
yeah, I was going to bring that.Up so the the back of that room,
there were two buckets and and awhole lot of water on the floor,
you know, 2/5 gallon buckets andyou know, we we hear nothing as
we approach them and well and actually.

(48:38):
Actually, Dave makes a comment about those buckets aren't doing
much good. The water's going all over the
floor as soon as. 2 seconds later.
There it starts and The funny thing is, as we walked away,
they picked up speed. You know, the the dripping, you
know, got faster. That's I'm, I'm really looking
forward to getting to the audio on that one because it is it,

(49:00):
it's almost comical, you know, like as soon as you say
something, there it is. But where, you know, where is
all that water coming from? You know, there's there's
nothing above that ward at that point.
That's that is a single floor level first floor only.
And it wasn't raining it. Had rained all that day though.
There, OK, maybe it's it's enough there's some significant

(49:22):
problems with that roof then yeah, there in the other.
It was foggy. I mean, so there was a lot of
moisture in the air, but that again that doesn't draws the
moisture out. So there's.
Just a lot of water in there. You know, and that's obviously
leading to some of the the decayof the building as well.
You know the the maintenance of this facility has to be

(49:43):
incredibly difficult just the the size of the roof alone just
to replace replace it would be cost prohibitive right we.
Explored an area. That that's not, I mean, Oh my
goodness, that was just. I don't know what they call that
space there is there. It's like the secret area.
I think that's what the our guide was calling it.

(50:05):
You went in the doorway and overa stair set and into another
door. And then I left in a like a
hallway. You go left and you come into
this wing that that is in the back of the building that is so
dilapidated that there are literal boards holding up
windows and walls on the right hand side at least.
And it, and as you, you know, get back to the back end,

(50:28):
there's water on the floor, A lot of water, a lot of standing
water, the ceiling, not the ceiling tiles, but the ceiling
material has come down and it gives that kind of gritty feel
on the floor and it's just trash.
And oh, and the the funny. Thing is when you push this
stuff off the floor, it revealeda beautiful terrazzo yeah floor.

(50:52):
And it was just like, you know, with the brass, the brass inlays
and and it was just like what itwas.
The floor is just covered with trash or yeah, plaster.
Yeah, yeah. And you know you.
Get downstairs then. You know, I I didn't think about
this till after we left, but youknow, as bad as shape as the

(51:13):
upstairs as of that level or that wing here we are walking
underneath it. Anything that happened.
To us down. There, you know, on the back end
there were walls that had collapsed and other areas of of
like the stairs that go another stairs set to go out.
You know, it was all collapsed over.
You know that that was certainlyan enter at your own risk base
for us. Glad we did though.

(51:36):
Yeah. And the place.
The place is just. Getting going back to the place
being so huge, I'm just sitting here thinking, I didn't, I
didn't explore, but maybe 4 parts of it, you know, half of
the third floor, all of the 4th floor, and then that one part.
Well, I mean, I guess if you count the tour that they make
you take, you're, you're, you'remandated to take at least a tour

(51:56):
of the one part of the first floor, you know, but I, I, I, we
did the Civil War wing and then the other part with the guide.
So like there's a, a great deal of that.
And we're not talking about the other buildings, 'cause there's
two other buildings, you know, they, they had the tuberculosis
building, the ward in the other building and there's at least

(52:19):
one other building. Like it's, it's so immense.
It it you don't get a real good,you don't get a real good feel
for it from the pitchers. Yeah, when?
And even. Like the tour, we, we took a 90
minute tour and so we did that. We spent an hour and a half
there. And I don't think we, I still

(52:39):
think there were places we didn't cover Jamie because we
just, I completely agree. And it's.
Yeah, and it was. It was really interesting.
When we came across from the first floor to the second floor,
we had to cross the middle of the building and our guide was
very clear that we're not stopping, don't stop at all.
This is not part of your tour. You got to keep going, you know.

(53:00):
And then as I look to the left at the would be the front of the
building where the portico is, there's, you know, a group over
there doing another different tour, like probably history
tour. And there was a group off to the
right as well, which would be the doctor's departments doing
another tour. You know, it's it.
There were, there were people all over this place, you know,
during our, our afternoon time, there were, there were folks

(53:21):
waiting for another tour to start.
And there was some leaving as wewere coming.
I mean, there's always folks. I think they said there's at.
At any given time, there's four different tours going on.
There's the paranormal tour, there's 290 minute tours and two
145 minute tour and a 30 minute tour.
OK, wow. And then on top of that, you.
Can like there were you can do AI think a four or six hour

(53:43):
photography tour where you can just go and just spend they sort
of turn you loose and you can gotake pictures.
There's AVIP Tour that's six hours on Mondays when everything
else is closed, which I would love to do at some point.
You can actually get a. Boxed lunch with that one I

(54:03):
found out. So long as it comes from buns.
It'll be great. They're not having this back.
There's an outer. Buildings overnight
investigation as well that covers the medical, forensics
and geriatric buildings. So, you know, we, the what we
did was the main building, but you know, we weren't allowed to
go outside to the back and anywhere else for that matter,

(54:25):
you know, like you're in, you know, otherwise you can step out
to have a, a smoke break, I guess, but you know, for those
who do, but you know, you're notgoing anywhere.
You're just going to the outsidethe door, you're stepping back
in, you know, so we saw all these, these other buildings,
but you know, David's right, youknow, they're, they're
elsewhere. So, and that's the tuberculosis.
Building it's, it's like the theold sanatorium that, that's one

(54:48):
of the the pieces of the historythat I found interesting because
it would have the people like out on the porches with
tuberculosis and they didn't realize that, you know, because
they thought that being outside and it drying out, etcetera.
What they didn't realize was that all it was doing was really
aerosolizing the, you know, the pieces of the lung piece tissue
and stuff like that. And the wind was carrying it

(55:09):
into town. So they basically inadvertently
caused a small epidemic within town of tuberculosis.
Yeah. So I'm going to cover.
Jamie up again here because thisis a long one.
That's fine with me. We'll go ahead and read it,
Jamie. My voice is Since you can't see
me, I might as well read it. Right, OK, this is from Heather.

(55:31):
When we first got there for the daylight tour, I immediately
felt an scene in finger quotes. A little girl around 8:00 or
nine years old greeting me as I walked in.
She has pigtails and was holdinga stuffed horse toy.
She followed us. I got the name Emily.
Then in the tour we went to a room and the guide said it was
Emily's room. Inside was a small rocking

(55:54):
horse. She had leukemia.
I had a rare. I have a rare blood cancer.
It made me emotional. I could feel her.
That was a that was quite a moment.
I recall that vividly. Yeah, it was definitely an.
Emotional moment for Heather andI just got chills of listening
to it again so. I had no.

(56:14):
Idea. Anything like that happened when
you all came down the stairs when I met you after your tour,
I could tell she was. She was kind of shook, yeah.
Well, and you know. Heather is, is sensitive and you
know, with that that that obviously has to heighten the
experience to to a level that that we who yeah, I always tell
people I'm unsensitive. I'm not insensitive, you know,

(56:36):
feelings, but I'm unsensitive tothe paranormal.
And you know, with that, I, I can't even come close to
understanding that, that the deepness of that moment.
Yeah, but if I remember. Correctly you you said I'm
typically unsensitive, but I just felt something.
This place was the strangest thing for me.
You know, I and you're right, you know, normally when and

(56:59):
you're sensitive as well. And then, Kirsten, you have
sensitivities, they have unsensitive.
Not a lot. Yeah, yeah.
You know you and. I are in the same boat but you.
Know there were, there were a few places in this place that I
had, I felt weird and, and like something that must, that I have
to say is akin to some sensitivity of some kind.
You know, the person coming, whatever was coming up behind us
on the 2nd floor. I, I, I felt that as much as I

(57:21):
thought I heard it, you know, it's just a very strange, off
putting feeling and very unique for me.
You know. So.
Guys, I got to ask this question, I guess.
Will, will you go back? Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Yes, for me as well. Yeah, so now we just go.

(57:43):
Figure. Out when, right?
Yeah, and definitely not in the winter time.
You. Know the -10 inside and outside
that doesn't that the guys were telling about that.
That didn't sound pleasant at all.
Tim Tim's got a. Comment says I'm not sensitive,
but the mask room, yeah. Another space, yeah.

(58:05):
If you're not. Nelson added that not want to be
in there and Bert came back witha on the haunted or going back
or now. I'm sorry.
Hell yeah. That's a very West Virginia
comment right there and. We'll.
Go back to. Heather's comment and I think a
daytime investigation will be fun to do there.
I feel there's a lot happening in there during daytime hours

(58:25):
again. Yeah, we had, we had said that
earlier and yeah, I agree. But yeah, I I would love to go
spend. More time there.
I definitely, you know, go get there the night before like you
did Jamie, but you know, spend take the time and do the
photographic tour or the photographic experience, then do

(58:47):
some more of the tours. It just, I think there's so much
to learn there. Yeah, I agree.
And you know what? I think, I think what's really
important too is looking into the stories a little bit more,
you know, then and then I'm not knocking the place, you know,
any of the, the, of the information that's shared to the
public. You know, I'm sure they do the
best they can with the records they have.

(59:08):
But you know, just digging into that a little bit more, having
the time to do so when you have some knowledge already, you
know, that helps just validate the claims or or debunk them
either way, you know, and that helps to focus attention and
directions where there might be more activity than in places
where it may not, may not be anyat all.

(59:28):
So I like. Tim's thought here, I think
really would need to be a good three to five night at a time
investigation, yeah. And and that would give you
opportunities to go look at. Evidence then.
Go back and follow up on that evidence 'cause that's one of
the things we never get to do ata lot of the moment at the.
Place right, right. Well, we're all trucking home,

(59:50):
you know we're. All four hours away?
Not really. Getting anything until a day.
Or two later, you know, and, andbecause we still have, you know,
we have responsibilities, thingswe have to do in, you know, in,
in normal times that much less what we want to do with
investigations. So you're absolutely right.
I was just thinking like, you know, a night in the big in the
main building and a night on theout buildings.
You know somebody has a minimal sense and then you know some,

(01:00:12):
some in time after, in, in area time afterwards just to sit down
with some review. And we never, ever, ever get to
sit together and do reviews. You know, I think that would be
really super cool if we could bein the same room, at least say,
what do you think of this? Why I found this?
What do you what do you hear? What do you see?
You know, those kind of things would be amazingly cool to do.

(01:00:33):
You know, we just, we kind of have to go, you know, away
wherever we're from when we get out of these places, Tim.
Tim said that it's it's so they get to know you more and you get
to know them. I like that thought so.
Perfect. Yeah, right.
Yes, 100. Percent.
Do we have any more pictures that we want to talk about?
Well, I was just. I was just going to throw this
one up. We, we mentioned it earlier,

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there's a lot of debate in in our team about this.
I don't know where I stand on it.
Some somebody want to give the background on this?
Sure there there is a local to West in West Virginia band.
I want to say it's a metal band that got permission through
through the proper channels to record a music video on the on

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the 1st floor. I believe it's in Ward D or
somewhere around there at the end of the arts and crafts hall
perhaps that they, as you know, they had a cameraman, they had a
sound guy. They had four members of the
band. So six people were all that were
supposed to be there, nobody else.
And in this in this picture, this is the bass player.
And because he's making a bass player face, you can see it and

(01:01:44):
he is standing in front of the observation room for this long
open space ready room or something bigger than that even.
And the gentleman in that windowis not supposed to be there by
by the definition of who is there.
And clearly you can see your head.
You can see your face. You know, there's there, I

(01:02:07):
believe glasses. If you had a better, you know,
I'm 14 hour screen size here as small.
I apologize guys, but you can you can find this online if you
if you Google that, you know, basic information, you know,
music video trans allocating lunatics on Martalla.
You'll find this video on YouTube really quick.
So you know the and it's like 3-3 screens of him.

(01:02:29):
You know, three. What's the word?
I'm looking for Chad frames frames.
Thank you. Thank you of that.
And then it goes away. Now the story we got on the tour
because there is a this is also a poster on a an easel in the
room. So the guy talked about it and
the claim they have is that thisperson in the in the window has
been seen at other places in thebuilding around this area as

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well. So it's believed he may be
either a doctor or someone of staff capacity.
The problem I have here, and andThis is why I think the the turn
of this in our in our group is, is the dude's too perfect.
You know, he is, he looks too real to be not a person.
He he looks too real. But he doesn't look right either

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in that window as that, as that,as we've been sitting here and
I've been looking at it, he looks.
He looks too large to be. There like so.
I went in that room because. This, this is where we were to
track down the whistle while we were in the hydrotherapy room.
So Tim and I came down here, I stood in that room and all there

(01:03:35):
is, it's not big. It's maybe 5 or 6 feet wide and
it's 10 to 12 feet long because all those windows.
And then right where he is standing is the doorway to go
into that space. So he you should see a bit wider
definition of shoulders if there's a person truly standing
there facing the way to the camera is.

(01:03:56):
I just don't get that clearly enough in this to say that's a
person either. It almost it almost looks like
the. Perspective's off like he's
closer to the camera than he should be.
OK. Yeah, 11, you know.
Not not throwing out accusations, but one may say it
looks photoshopped, so understood, yeah.

(01:04:17):
That that's, that's a comment. We, we made it with each other.
So, yeah. And that's, that's, this is this
is kind of like one of those good debates, you know, and, and
this is what happens anytime someone captures something as,
you know, as as much as you trust the validity of what
you've done and the moment you're in, you know, and, and
the honesty of it, someone else is going to say it's fake.

(01:04:39):
And you know, and that's, that'sthe nature of it.
Oh yeah, So Heather. Heather's comment here, Jamie,
you should talk about the artwork we see we seen in the
craft hallway, the one with the bridge.
Your interpretation was interesting.
So yeah, there is there a couplemurals in the wing that is for

(01:05:00):
the arts and Crafts area. And there's like different rooms
there along the way back this length of space.
And one of the murals is like a pot of gold under a rainbow, you
know, traditional good luck thing.
But there's a mural that spans Adoorway and on one side, on the
right hand side is what's what appears to be Trans Allegheny.

(01:05:24):
And there's a key there, silver key or gold key, I forget what
color it was. And then there are footsteps
moving to the left across the grounds and out the front gate,
then the doorway that, then the bridge, which is spanning the
doorway, which is a bridge and the river in front of the
building. And then clearly, what is Weston

(01:05:44):
and I? I looked at this for quite a
while and I was kind of puzzled,like because it's kind of broken
by the doorway, thinking it was 2 separate things.
And I realized that the key to getting out, which are the
footsteps back to society, is Tala.
And and it just it kind of. Floored me for a moment like
thinking that somebody had that and I may be dead wrong on this,

(01:06:04):
I guess because it's just my interpretation.
But somebody had that vision of the how to, you know, their care
there would get them back to theworld.
And there were there were many, many guests there who left, you
know, went back into the world, you know, as they were deemed
normal or fit to go back there. So back to them, they're
wherever they're from. But I thought was really cool.

(01:06:25):
Let me see if I can. Oh yeah, there is a video of
this. Well, I I don't have the.
Video handy, but Bert, just holdon.
Let me what can I do here? Well, Chad does that.
One of the things about the about this place is that right
outside the front gate is town. Yeah, it wasn't originally like

(01:06:49):
that because and and what many people think of these places as
being is like these these lonelyplaces sitting on this hilltop.
But if this isn't like that, this is like directly out the
gate, is Weston right? So yeah, this you should be able
to see the picture now that Jamie was talking about the the
key and the the gate, the bridge.

(01:07:09):
So I. Unfortunately, I can't see it.
Yeah, I'm getting. A black screen as well.
Oh, you are. OK, this is another example.
Of how art was, was part of, youknow, the, the regimen that was,
you know, all the guests had access to.

(01:07:30):
It was pretty cool. The creativeness and like Tim
mentioned earlier, The Art Room,you know, was kind of just neat,
a little creepy as well. Some of the stuff was a little
heavy, a little oh. Bert.
Can Bert? Says they can see it.
They saw it. OK.
Oh, good. Good.

(01:07:53):
Well, that's good. I mean any.
We've we've actually hit an hournow, a little over an hour.
Any final thoughts on on this? Jamie you were like it could be
a short episode tonight. Yeah, go figure.
Every time I. Say that we're like, you know,
they're still going like Thursday.
I I am glad we went. I'm really happy with the
outcome. I obviously I we could have
spent as we just talked about. We could spend days there.

(01:08:15):
We really could. You know, it is a investigators
in place, you know, as as someone who's serious to go and,
you know, dig in a little bit. You know, you certainly have the
opportunity to and and the size of the place allows for us not
to trip over each other, compromise and each other's, you
know, material. I think that's really cool.
I'm glad they went with all you guys.
That was that made it special and fun too, yeah.

(01:08:40):
Bert. Bert thinks it's.
Haunted. So I guess that's the question.
Haunted or not, right? They're paranormal or not,
That's just what we say. What do you?
Guys think it's haunted not. Haunted.
No, I think it's. Haunted.
Definitely those. Are those are my favorite?
Places to investigate, you know,you got to know how I felt about
Saint Albans, you know, just. But there's just so much

(01:09:03):
emotional trauma and, and scarring in the place to, to not
leave a mark, you know what I mean?
So all those places, hospitals, especially hospitals and
psychiatric facilities, you know, you're, you're, you're
bound to find remnants of the past still there.
So yeah, I, I, I would definitely go back in a

(01:09:25):
heartbeat. Like I said, I, I didn't get to
explore that much because I wanted to do Dean's Room a
second time with you all, you know, definitely felt something.
I'm, I'm, I'm a believer. I I would definitely go back.
And I think the good news is. We all got home safely.
We didn't bring anybody with us this time, thankfully.

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Right, Dave? I was thinking.
About that midway meal when I was when I was coming across 68
and dodging potholes at 80 milesan hour, you know you're in the
fog. Yeah.
That that trip home was miserable in the fog.
That was a. Scary trip home.
Yeah, yeah, It was like. Driving along the top of the

(01:10:09):
mountain of 81, you know, going up towards Wilkes Barre, Jamie's
Georgia reminded. Of me, of the one trip home from
the Clifton. Clifton.
Yeah, Gosh. That was an awful no.
It was a great, great experienceat the Clifton Theater.
However, the drive home, there were times and we couldn't well,
it's dark because it's daylight and I couldn't see the front of
my hood. Yeah, that first trip home from.

(01:10:30):
Hinsdale. OK, Yeah.
There's a theme. Here that night was awful as
well. So yeah, Kirsten, I didn't mean
to cut you off. What?
Were you, what were your thoughts of the the place?
It was very. Interesting like.
There were areas that made. Me very uncomfortable, but also

(01:10:53):
I was more interested to find out why I was uncomfortable
there, like coming going out of the children's word and towards
the door. That was probably the most
uncomfortable I had like but I it made me want to stay there
longer to find out why. It's a very fascinating place

(01:11:15):
and I like I want to go back. I feel that way too.
Yep. And, and, and going from not not
having the, you know, a whole lot of sensitive activity for
myself and then having somethinghappen there, there's a reason
for that, like something, something made itself available
that way or something to me. That's, that's really cool.

(01:11:35):
So hopefully that's something wecan continue as.
I'm glad we all did this. Together.
I really am. I do.
It was nice to get. It was nice.
To get activity on an off site for all of us because the last
couple when we went back to Hinsdale Wildwood, that they
weren't real. I I don't want to say active,

(01:11:57):
but I mean, they weren't real active.
I was. I was bored of both of those.
Sure. Yeah.
You. Get that?
All right, well. Dave and Kirsten, I want to
thank you guys for hanging out with us for the last hour and 15
minutes. We're going to let you go while
we talk about what's coming up for us, but hold on.
So before. Before we let you go guys, I

(01:12:21):
want you to know that tonight isepisode number 99. 99 It would
have been one. Hundreds.
However, someone lost their voice a couple weeks ago, so no
offense, Chad, I'm just picking up.
That's OK. I'm glad we cancelled because.
Obviously I wouldn't want you toto go through anything with
extend that situation, because certainly that was bad to next
week's episode is is officially 100.

(01:12:42):
But I wanted to say thanks specifically to Dave, you know,
because you were with us at the start of this.
This is all of our vision, all of us as a team.
It's our vision to create this podcast and have fun with it.
You're a driver right off the bat.
You know, we're we still are trying to live up to the O go
Pogo episode and all the work weput into that fantastic start
off. And I I think of that a lot.

(01:13:04):
I really do, you know, as far asour standard goes, you know what
we have to keep up. So I just want to say thanks and
and and you know, for all of those, all you folks out there
listening, we'll talk maybe a little bit more about being 100
next week, but 99, Holy crap, how did we get here?
You know, so cool. I'm so excited and I'm really
appreciative of everyone coming along.
Yeah, so. Thanks guys.

(01:13:28):
You're welcome, always good to. Be back.
Hi. Well, you're welcome.
And you're welcome every every time.
Not anytime. Every time.
So, so so that door is. Always open.
Thanks, Kirsten, for you too, please.
Great. SO.
Kirsten, we want you to. Come up with some ideas and you
know, you know, be be, you know,we're looking for the ideas.

(01:13:48):
So I mean I can. Probably come up with some, I'm
sure you can. So let's put it let us.
Know and we'll we'll. Put it on the books, so all
right. Oh gosh, did you?
Did you share this comment from Burt Chad?
Probably not. I got to find my mouse where I
lost. It I would invest with,

(01:14:08):
investigate with you guys again.He likes us.
He really likes us. So and you know, same, same
buddy, same. Oh.
And then there's this. The next time is another road
trip, that's for sure. So all right.
I'm going to jump to the other slides.

(01:14:29):
We're going to lose Dave and Kirsten when we do that.
But if you know, we appreciate you coming on and we will, we'll
see you soon. We we'll see you guys.
All right. Thanks guys.
You soon. All right.
Can we take it? Sure, go for it.
Cool, I can actually see this. Font and my.

(01:14:49):
Glasses on this week too had. Help so upcoming episodes next
week we are going to talk about the Dos House, which is a
relatively new location in SouthCentral Pennsylvania and we're
going to have some special guests on and I do not remember
their names, but they are two pretty awesome people so we're
looking forward to next week andI did confirm that with.
Them today, so at least I know we've got one person I don't

(01:15:10):
know if we've ever heard or not I'm not going to try the name
either I forget so I'm I'm terrible I'm so.
Sorry guys, week after on the 29th, I'm going to talk about
the Portland Tunnels, AKA the Shanghai tunnels is another one,
but out in Portland, OR I started building that episode
today and actually the more I dug into it, the fun, it's going
to be more fun. I think it's going to be.

(01:15:31):
And then on May 6th, we have special guests, Landon Legend,
Paranormal, Stacy and Gary Smith, who are the fantastic duo
that create that team in advanceof our, we'll talk about this
another slide, but in advance ofour Para Unity event with them
coming up in mid-May. And then on May 13th, I'm going
to talk about the Mars Jamel mansion in New York City, quite

(01:15:54):
an active location there. And finally, the episode we
didn't get to a couple weeks ago, we're going to get on May
20th to the Dybbic Box. Chad's going to cover that.
So a lot of fun stuff coming up here in the next couple weeks
all. Right, Speaking of fun stuff
coming. Up again, we're going to have a
bunch of investigations. April 26th coming up just two

(01:16:16):
weeks away. We're going to have our first
public of of April and the only public of April for that matter
at the Movies Brewery in Mount Joy, PA.
May 17th, we're going to have that Para Unity event with
Landon Legend Paranormal. And then June 21st back at the
brewery. And also we're heading out to
the road one more time, another road trip on June 28th, we are
going out to Haunting Crescent for their Paracon.

(01:16:40):
So I think we have a slide for that coming up here, right, Jen?
We do, yeah, First. We've got the we'll talk about
this so. Gary and Stacey with Landon
legend. You know, it's, it's always
great when we get to investigatewith other teams and because we
always learn something, you know, and, you know, no matter
how long you've been in the field, no matter how much you

(01:17:00):
do, you know, whether you're a weekend warrior or you're an all
in, you know, investigator everynight, you can always learn
something from someone else. And I think that's the really
cool part and that's the intentionality of the power of
unity. Part of this is that we can do
that now and share some experiences.
You know, this just to and get get new fresh faces and eyes on
on Boobie's Brewery, where we are regularly at so and forward

(01:17:23):
to this event. And I know Stacy's a sensitive.
But every sensitive is different, yeah, they, they have
their skills, they're honed differently.
And so it's like you said, it's always interesting to get
another perspective. So you can't go wrong.
Yep, so. That won't.
That will. Be up in May 17th.
She's not far. Away, believe it or not, you

(01:17:44):
know, it's amazing, Yeah. All right.
And then? After that, we'll talk a little
bit more here about the Crescent, I believe the next
slide. Yep, I got it and.
Thank you. So the horror and.
Paracon at Crescent mid state Pennsylvania.
A really cool place is Crescent Sanatorium, officially once

(01:18:06):
owned by the Hines family as a summer getaway for the family to
get out of Pittsburgh where they, you know, the ketchup
empire was founded, all the condiments they make.
But with it is a sprawling estate that never quite
materialized to what they wantedto do.
I believe it was a death in the family and the plans kind of got
sidetracked. So it gets old.
And then the, the folks who started the, the sanatorium took

(01:18:29):
it over, closed down in the 90s or so, very much like Trans
Allegheny where it's, it's come into disrepair, but a highly
active location and that, you know, anytime there's a Paracon,
you never know what's going to happen.
So and it's going to be. Or end paranormal.
Paracons could be really interesting.
The other difference here is. We talked about it last week

(01:18:50):
where they were going to turn Trans Allegheny into a prison.
They did actually turn a Crescent into a prison and I I
do believe. If I remember from last week
correctly or not, Burt Lynch, one of our contributors and a
dear friend of our program was in corrections at the time and
was transporting folks back and forth from there.

(01:19:11):
So he has, he's been on site in its time, which is really cool.
So there's day. Passes.
Available, you know, for the Parracon you can get to, you get
to do the Parracon, you get to wander the property as well and
then poke into all the places. There's a lot of outbuildings
and neat things to see and then there should be a an evening
regular investigation available as well as a separate ticketed

(01:19:33):
item. So take a look at the link there
and see what what you may want to do.
We'll be there that our team will be there, Ted and I'll be
there specifically and we'll have some of those wonderful
turn normal and stickers we keeptalking about and out.
So come out and see us and then.What's the last one, Jamie?

(01:19:55):
Yeah, so the usual stuff. So you found.
This on Facebook and YouTube here today in this live podcast,
but will be on the social one all the social streaming
services tomorrow. You know, the Spotify is Apple
podcast, audible, what not. And we do have a link tree that
captures all of that stuff together, plus our team Facebook
page for Jotnick's paranormal, our home, our home team.

(01:20:17):
So there's a lot of cool stuff and all the activities we're up
to or there our website is coming.
Still, but it's getting closer every day.
But if you need to reach out to Chad or I anytime in between an
episode, you can do so by shooting us an e-mail at
[e-mail] if you have an idea for an
episode or you have a personal experience you want to share

(01:20:40):
with us that it might make an episode, we're certainly open
and willing to do that. We've done it many times before
with listener submissions. So, you know, happy to do we, we
self produce so we can move things around on our schedule.
All the stuff we saw coming up, we can bump things, you know, a
little time to investigate a little bit, do some research
just to make sure we we present it correctly.
But and if it's your story, you can be a guest with us.

(01:21:01):
You know, we're certainly alwaysopen to that.
So I mean many opportunities. Ahead of us that way.
And you can send. Pictures from their last
investigation. They're just like Bert did
earlier. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, the content material is really helpful to set the stage
and, you know, give the give theplace.
It's justice. Sometimes you know, pictures
says 1000 words is a really truestatement.

(01:21:24):
OK, so. I think that's it.
It's been a while here, so hanging on.
With us. We had a blast at Tala, we
really did. I hope that came through in this
episode and some of the uniqueness of the facility I'm
in to go back. Chad, I know you are too.
Let's figure it out. And Alex?
Wants to go too, I'm pretty sure.
So perfect. Perfect.

(01:21:45):
Another team member. He couldn't go this time.
So yes, let's do it. So all right, now we know where
it is. Yeah.
And. It's, I mean, it's, it's what, 4
1/2 five hours, It's not that bad.
So it's a reasonable drive it really.
Is, you know, and you know, if you were Dave there, maybe you
were doing 80. So it's probably like a three

(01:22:06):
hour drive. So, you know, just popping over
the potholes there. I I've used ways to come home
and instead of going up to Morgantown at over 68 over
toward Hagerstown, MD, I went straight across by the Walmart
in town. I went under 78 and kept going
and I thought some point I'm going to veer N here, but no,

(01:22:27):
no, no, I took that road all theway into Virginia, which was
forever and only because it's it's really truly like a one
lane Rd. in many places because of the mountains.
And then, you know, the switchbacks and all that stuff
and and then the fog, which was hood of the car no further,
barely seeing the lines on the edge of the road.

(01:22:47):
You know, it was a little sketchy there for a while, but
once the fog broke and I was up in the mountains, it was some of
the most beautiful things I've ever seen.
Just. Amazing.
And I I. Probably should have pulled over
and took some pictures just for how lush it was and how
beautiful it was made. It made the fog well worth it to
put up with so well that's good.So you know.
The old how the? Song goes wild and wonderful.

(01:23:09):
West Virginia. That is definitely what it was
out there, so I'm glad you had agood.
Experience there. It was neat.
I'm looking forward. To seeing it again.
So all. Right.
Well, we should probably wrap. This up, Jamie.
So let's let's call it a. Night thanks guys for coming and
hanging out with us. Thanks for sticking in for this
really long episode. We'll do a little less next
week, I'm sure, but we'll look forward to seeing you then for

(01:23:32):
the DOS house. All right.
Sounds good. Good.
Night, everybody. Thank you.