April 26, 2023 • 29 mins
Tune-in as Paul Perillo, Mike Dussault, Evan Lazar and Matisse Baumann wrap-up their preview of the 2023 NFL Draft with thoughts on the Patriots possibilities at 14, potential trades and best fits.
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We are all back together again here at Jillette Stadium,
and this time for our Draft podcast review. We're going
to actually recap the entire process. We've given you in
depth looks at every position, and we've talked about a
lot of different players. But what I thought we could
do here to sort of summarize and give everybody if
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you if you're only gonna listen to one podcast and
you want to get all the information, this would be
the one to download. Right, you know, this is this
this is your one stop shop. And I guess I'll
start it off. I have Mike you So, Evan Lazar
and Matis Bauman. Uh So, I want to get your
your thoughts first and foremost on what you think the
Patriots big needs are hit position wise heading into this draft.
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And let's go around. Mike.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
You started off, Yeah, I'll start with offensive tackle. I mean,
I think that's nobody loves it. It's not sexy. But
I think if they took an offensive tackle at fourteen,
we'd all be like, yeah, all right, we get it.
It's not the sexiest need, and it's probably not the
one that's going to immediately change the offense like people want.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
But it's the kind of selection good teams make. So
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I guess we'll eat our vegetables if we get to
that point. But I think tackles definitely a need long term, especially.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Evan you agree at this point.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
I honestly don't really care too much about the position
as long as it's a premium position. Tackle, receiver, corner,
edge rusher. Let's not go anymore any more. Running backs,
no guards, right, none, safety.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
None of that.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
But when I look at the landscape now, especially with
Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets officially, and if you're
the Patriots, you just need to stack talent together on
this roster, I think getting too caught up in need
and too caught up and filling holes on your depth
chart and things like that, we're we might not be
there yet with this.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Don't get ahead of yourself. I have to don't ruin
all my questions all of one, but I wanted to
know what you thought the biggest positional need was not
necessarily what you think the pasots are going to do
at fourteen And I agree with your premise. Yeah, I
think they have enough holes that they don't have to
be pigeonholed into one position. But I would agree with Mike.
That's my view as tackle is probably the biggest. You
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can make an argument for the other spots that Evan's
at cornerback and you know, edge wide receiver. I mean,
I think you can make an argument for a lot
of different spots, but you know, tease where you fall.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
I'll give the people what they want. I want a
cornerback or a wide receiver. Yeah, the two, that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Another one who can't follow directions, that is what I want.
I ask a simple question, Mike Circle gets a square.
You're don't want to answer the question. But what I do.
I do agree with you guys, and I do tackle
like I understand you know, and no one more so
than me is going to sit there and say I
you know, I got to right like an analysis piece
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on a tackle like yeah, you know whatever. But at
the same time, you have Trent Brown, who is unreliable
to start with, but also entering the final year of
his deal. You picked up a couple of guys, one
at the end of his career, one who you think,
in Calvin Anderson, might be able to turn into something potentially,
but you really don't have a set starter at the
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right tackle position. So I do think it's probably time
that you addressed that and add some depth there, but
not necessarily saying you have to do it at fourteen.
So let's go where everyone was going, guys, and sort
of talk about how we think this board might unfold.
And I do think in terms of tackle, there was
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a minor element of that Aaron Rodgers deal that could
benefit the Patriots, and that I think the Jets were
a tackle team. They were in need of a tackle
and now I don't know if they would have taken one.
You know, we've seen mock drafts with guys all over
the place, but I do think the Jets were a
team that if a Broderick Jones or Paris Johnson or
Scarronsky one of those guys, they would have probably thought
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long and hard. Based on what I've seen a little
bit with Green Bay, it looks like they're not necessarily
looking for a tackle, maybe one of the wide receivers,
so that could benefit the Patriots if they want to do,
you know, that offensive line road.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
At the very least, I just like not having the
Jets pick right before the Patriots, because then it's something
that you know, you're always going to have to be
have it right in your face. But I think at
that point it's it's probably if I had to put
money down on like a roulette board, I would put
it on tackle, cornerback, and edge for that fourteenth overall pick,
with edge being a little bit of the dark horse
to see maybe somebody falls. I know they've been kicking
the tires on all those guys, but I think those
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are the positions that make sense, and there's a select few.
There's maybe what like five guys that you feel like
are worth it at fourteen that kind of fill it,
and otherwise then I feel like we get into the
twenty to forty range that like, there's a lot of
good guys in there that I think, could you know,
fill some of those needs that they have.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And I want to ask you something a little bit
more pointed with regard to that, just to change it
up a little bit from Mike's answer is the notion
that there aren't, you know, an abundance of blue chip guys.
And I think we all agree, you know, like I
don't follow this stuff as closely as the guys that
get paid to do it, but I think we all
agree that there's probably not more than say, six, eight,
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ten max first round kind of bonafide guys. Absolutely, If
that's the case, do you like the idea of moving
down or do you like the idea of ensuring that
you get one of the better players.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well, I just think that that's why I'm not I'm
not backing myself into a corner on a position, because
if you go into the draft, where like I think
they went into the draft last year and said, we're
coming out with a guard either either way, whatever way
it goes, we're coming out with the guard. I think
if you do that at tackle, which would probably be
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the most realistic position to do that at as well,
then you might get into a spot where you have
a B plus pick, right like, you have a plus
starter like a Darnell Wright or at Anton Harrison or
somebody along those lines who's gonna be a good player
for you. But I think the Patriots got enough good players, right,
They need players that are elite players. And that's why
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I don't necessarily look at this board the way that
it's shaping up right now and say that you absolutely
need to take this position at this spot. And your
point about the Blue Chippers is a good one. Where
if you're sitting there at fourteen, and let's see my
mock draft this morning, Tyree Wilson starts to slide a
little bit because I think if he doesn't go to
Houston at two, I can't really find a great place
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to put him in the top ten if it's not
to the Texans. The Seahawks are always a little bit
of a wild card team. To their board is kind
of like the Patriots. It beats to its own drums.
So you never really know what Seattle is thinking either.
But you start to think about some of the players that, Okay,
who's the most realistic guys that might slide into the
early part of the teams, right, And I think Tyree
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Wilson's one of them. I think Christian Gonzales is one
of them. It really seems like Devin Witherspoon is gonna
be the top corner in this draft. If you're the
Patriots and you're sitting there at fourteen, and it's not
trading up for a quarterback, so you're not giving up
a king's ransom to trade up, trading up to eleven
to leap frog a team like Houston that might have
some similar players on their board as you, and maybe
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to leap frog a team like Green Bay that typically
doesn't draft receivers in the first round, so maybe they're
looking at an edge position or something like that too.
I don't hate it like I think that that's something
that you realistically have to come away with because again,
if you trade it back into the twenties, I'm confident
that you're gonna get a solid, maybe above average to
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plus starter. But how many above average starters does one
team need? You know, you need some guys that are
gonna be bus drivers, not guys that are sitting in
the back right. So I think at some point you
have to think about that with this draft, that there
really isn't a ton of first round quote unquote talents.
I think a lot of teams are going to have
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fewer than fifteen of those in this draft, So.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Tis I'll switch it up a little bit to you
like I did with with Evan, and I'll ask you
if you could, like I understand the way the mock
drafts are unfolding, right, you don't know exactly, but if
you had a dream scenario that someone's available at fourteen
to it.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
I'm taking Christian. I mean, ideally you don't need to
trade up to get him.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
But I think you guys might want to watch All
Access tonight.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Actually I was leaning towards wide receiver, which also I
think it's hilarious Rogers left and there's a good chance
the Packers are finally gonna take a receiver in the
first round.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I saw that on Twitter yesterday about JSN, and I
did laugh to myself. I agree with Evan, that's sort
of an out of character move for the Packers, but
I did absolutely chuckle to myself, Like.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
To be fair, they took Christian Watson went thirty fourth overalls.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, but no, so Gonzales would be I think someone
that that, uh, that's one of those dream scenario that
might not necessarily have to be like strictly like your
head's in the clouds. I think there's a there's a
scenario that you can walk yourself through. You know, I
was away for a week, missed a lot of stuff.
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Evidently Hendon Hooker is now in the first round, right right? Yeah?
I mean is that wrong?
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Back into the first Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, So what happens if someone says, you know what,
I want to make sure I get him, and they
move up ahead of fourteen yeah, to get Hendon Hooker?
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Well, I look at Tennessee, not just because he went
to Tennessee, but a team that I don't know how
you can be sold on that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Room right now.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
And if he's the there's other four quarterbacks go ahead
of them, and they can't trade up into the top
ten to get their guy, then maybe it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Seems like a be set year in Tennessee. Anyway, So
what's the deal if you have your first round pick
and you can't play for half the year? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I mean you look at the four quarterbacks the Falcons.
It just blows my mind that Atlanta, if there is
a quarterback on the board and that those top four
guys that the Falcons are gonna say, you know what,
we got Desmond Ridder, We're all set at quarterback. Like,
I feel like that has to be a spot where
they might just be sitting there and C. J. Stroud
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might just fall in their laps. And I just don't
know how as that front office you just say no,
we're good, like we have what ritter.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
You gotta wonder if some of these teams are just
waiting for next year's quarterback class.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Two.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean you got who Caleb Williams and then
that kid.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
For that's it.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I always think that's that's very dicey.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I agree. I mean, it's we've seen it happen so
many times that the guy you identified the year before
it turns out to be somewhat disappointing. Now, these guys,
you know, Young and Stroud weren't disappointing. They were the
guys going into the season. They were the guys coming
out of the season. But I think we've seen it.
You know, I think Sam Darnold was somewhat disappointing this
last year at USC. Yeah, you know, it didn't really
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hurt his dress hockey. I think he still went third overall.
But I think sometimes I agree with Evan that that
that can be dicey. But I do think if you
get like four quarterbacks and then possibly a fifth and
now the Green Bay thing to me throws a you know,
I don't know. Maybe they were interested in one of
the guys that you're interested, but I think that's a
different team ahead of you. Now you never know how
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these are gonna unfold. And then you know the kid
from Georgia, Jailen cut where does he go? Right? Right?
He's gonna take that? Does he? You know you mentioned
Seattle earlier, I could see that being a pick for I.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Think Seattle and Philly are the two teams in the
top ten that I see really strong front offices, good programs.
You can't if you're a team like the Raiders, for instance,
you can't take a chance on Jalen Carter because your
job is on the line.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
They've got many of those first rounders right in high
draft picks in recent years. They can't afford another one.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So you have to have a stable organization in the
front office that feels confident in their job security. I
think to take a guy like Jalen Carter, but I
still think he goes in the top ten. And you
look at the locks in the top ten, I think
the four quarterbacks are locked in the top ten some
way or another. Whether teams trade up into the top ten,
or they all go to teams that are already there.
Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, and then I think Devin Witherspoon
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has basically cemented himself as a top ten pick. So
that's seven guys and the other three spots, like I
said earlier, is a complete wild card.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I have a few more questions they're gonna ask. I
want to get all three of your thoughts, but I'll
start off with a very simple one. Who is the
best player in this class?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Jalen Carter right, I don't know. I mean, I guess
we'll have to see. On the quarterbacks, I mean, you know,
some size issues. There's a lot to like about Bryce Young, though.
Is it going to translate. I don't think it's crazy
to say that it will, but I mean I would
I would probably go with one of the defensive linemen.
Between Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, those two guys, I think,
you know, just an instant impact. They land in the
right place, especially when you talk about going to Philadelphia,
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I mean plugging that player into that front, I mean,
you know where he doesn't even I mean they've had
Fletcher Cox there forever. Now you add another kind of disruptive,
just problem play. I think those those guys especially, I mean,
you say, you talk about Carter with the issues that
he's had, it might end up better for him. He's
gonna end up on a better team now instead of
going in the top three, you know, if he goes
six to seven somewhere in there, Uh, he's gonna go
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into a great situation and really have a chance to flourish.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'd probably go with those guys.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Jon Robinson, Yeah, that'd be my pick.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
I think it's Will Anderson or b Jon Robinson. The
only reason it wouldn't be is I think it's stupid
to take a running back in the first round.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying who I would want to take.
I'm saying, who do you think is the best player
in the draft? I think you can make a strong
argument for Robinson. I was waiting for Matist to come
up with like a Division two quarter, you know, who
has all the medical.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Nick Saldevari all dominion.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So you know, I like to sort of look at
it that way sometimes and then it's it's amazing, like
how wildly you can miss on some of those guys, Like, oh,
I think so and so is gonna be the best
player in the class, and so and so is out
of the league in three years.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Like, I agree with Mike that it is probably Jalen Carter.
I was just giving a different name that wasn't Jalen Carter.
But I think the one concern that you have with
Gillen Carter is the motor. He doesn't always play at
full tilt, but when he does play at full tilty,
is the most unstoppable thing in the draft.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Okay, I'm gonna give you this. Just one will give
you a lot of options. But if there's one guy,
and this is two different ways, I'm going to ask this.
I'm going to ask you first one guy that you
think really strongly will end the weekend as a Patriots draft.
Pick one guy to identify? Who would it be?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Mike the whole and the whole weekend? Who this is
a all right?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Moving on, we'll go to Evan and what Mike Finck
in the whole weekend? Any like, just one guy that
you saw like the Patriots are going to draft, I'll
do one. You want me to do one?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, go ahead, I'll say Tyler Steam.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I was gonna say Tyler you know, just a date.
It's my guy, that's my guy. You know, there's there's
there's quite a few. I mean it could maybe say
Charlie Jones. This is you know kind of that that
day two Jones Patriot. You know that that slot receiver.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
But he doesn't he have Patriots should take this guy,
but don't like you know, like he's too fast, like
like Hunter Renfro style right like where it's just is
like this is a slam dunk Patriot and then he
doesn't end up being.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Maybe one of the punters too. I throw in there
is like just potential like one of those.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Like I just I feel like they're definitely gonna take
a punter this year. That that seems just you know,
fifth round.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Yeah, if you have to lock something in, I think
Michael Turk, the punter from Oklahoma is as much as
when it comes to the draft, we can't lock anything in.
But you have a need a punter. You know that
Bill's gonna care about that. And you also have a
guy that you spent an entire week with working at
the Shrine Bowl and was impressive in Vegas at the
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Shrine Bowl with the Patriots. I don't know, I mean,
I don't know how you don't come away from the
draft and needing a punter, but you don't take the
punter you worked with for a week. That that doesn't
really seem to line.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I would just sign one, you know. I'm sure there's
one down the stree at the Why and Foxborow who
can do it.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
But anyway he'll take they'll take them in the fifth round.
They'll trade up or something like that and get a
fifth round pick, because that's what they do.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
And then he'll actually put the foot on the ball
in the first game and everybody, just.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Like Jake Bailey turned out. But Dan Bruger actually had
him as like a seventh round pick, priority free agent
and the beasts. So maybe he is somebody that they
actually wait on and take in the sixth or seventh
round instead of reaching on a punter in the fact.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
To be clear, like you know, as much as my
snark comes through, like if you take him in the
seventh round just to make sure you get them, that's
nothing wrong with that. But like the whole trading up
in the fourth round or the fifth round, like I
think you can find players still in the middle of
the draft. I don't know Washington is a guy I
keep coming back to for the Patriots. I think the
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position makes a lot of sense. Tight end. I think
the size and the skill set I think has to
be intriguing. I think one of those tight ends total,
But pick Washington because I don't want to be wishy.
I mean, like the Laporta, uh yeah, which it soon
make craft, you know, like all those kinds of guys
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I think they may. Yeah, I think all those guys
make sense, but I want to pick one and pick Washington.
I know he's kind of been rising a little bit,
so maybe that requires some some aggressiveness.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I just think they have to hit this tight end
class given I mean what we know about them, They've
always been a huge tight end team. I mean we
can we will see what BILLYO thinks about, you know,
the tight ends and what you know, what he did
with Gronk and Hernandez, if that's something that still intrigues him.
But I'm a little bit more on just like the
guys who maybe could develop into that, like every down,
why tight end can play in line, can go out,
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can make you know, stretch the seam a little bit.
That that's the guy you're looking for but I would
still say too, I know, Hunter Henry and and and
and gets SICKI you are only on one year deals.
Like I could see Hunter Henry sticking around to I
don't know, if it's like they're gonna wash it next year,
I don't know, but I mean I could just see it, like,
you know, I kind of I would.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Love to take you got enough good players, right, but
you know, but maybe he's home run.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
But maybe next year he's the two you know, and
then this kid that we dropped this year develops and
you're like, all right, well, let's keep Hunter Henry around
as almost like what's his face that they had in
twenty ten, where they still kept the veteran tight end
who dropped.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
The ball on the twenty against the Jets. You know,
I'm talking about a Crumpler.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know, yeah, yeah, kind of that.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I don't think it's the Corps of Hunter Henry yet,
but I Thinkhunter Henry is gonna have a little bit
of a bount.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
If you saw what Algie Crumpler had to do to
get in his chair after every game, really he would
have been a little bit more sympathetic algym that poor
guy gave he shouldn't even be on the field give
everything he had to get out there every game tea.
So I'll start with you with this next one two
part question. Do they pick a quarterback? And if so,
which one would you like to see the Patriots pick.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
I don't think they pick a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Okay, so moving on?
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Yeah, No, I mean, do you obt me just spice
it up.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
No, tell me why you don't think they'll take a quarter.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I think he's just like you got a ride with Mac,
like I don't know, like if it doesn't work out,
see next year's class.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But I mean, well, I'm not yeah, necessarily saying you're
gonna take Anthony Richardson at fourteen or anything.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
But I mean no, I just I don't think. I
don't think the needs there. I think there are other
needs that need to be addressed and Matt can get
you through the season and hopefully he plays like he
does a rookie year.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Ye, too late to turn back down.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Come on, Evan, I say yes, I think they do
take a quarterback. I still would not be totally blown
away if they take Will Levis, if he's there at fourteen.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I just developing opinion that I missed last week. Well,
he came in for the visit. I know that I
did see that, and.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I just look at his skill I think his skill
sets a little bit misunderstood. I think a lot of
people look at him and see Josh Allen or Justin Herbert.
I see a much a player that's much better in
structure than out of structure, where those two guys I
think thrive on shots down the field and in their
athletic ability and their arm talent. I think the best
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part about Levis is his quick game ability, is the
quick release and the ability to get the football out.
I think he's somebody that it has a long way
to go. But I just don't know if this regime
is in on Mac anymore. I just can't convince myself
that they like the kid. It is everything that they
it's hard to everything that they've pointed to.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
I think cooler heads prevail. I don't think that they
end up doing that, but I see a guy like
dtr in day three, maybe that it just makes too
much sense. At least you get somebody in here that
has a little bit more mobility and athletic upside than
the two guys you have in the room and maybe
if it doesn't work out with Mac, maybe maybe maybe
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he turns into like a Jalen Hurts type developmental player.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So I picked him as my quarterback on All Access.
In the game that'll be Wednesday night, So depending on
when you're listening to this podcast, that'll be the night
before the draft. But I just felt like, if you're
going to take a developmental guy, doesn't it need to
be one of those kind of guys with a completely
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different kind of skills that than what you have. Yeah,
and some.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Really intriguing traits, you know, just not the whole package yet.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
But so like, do you feel he'll take a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I do, and I would I would just stamp everything
and said, I mean we've been talking about DTR since,
you know, the beginning of this whole process, and I
mean I think that for everything you guys said, it
just makes sense to round out the room.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
I'm always a fan of taking quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I think it's good business in general. You never know
when you're going to take one in the fourth round.
Who creates value for you.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I do would love to and this isn't the forum
for it, but I'd love to go down the wormhole
of like what does it look like if they took
will Levis? Like what you know when we get out
the camp? You know, like what's the plan? Like all
those things. I think those are fun things to speculate.
But but I'm with you guys.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
If they take will Levis, I think Mac gets moved
on Friday.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I would have to agree. I agree, And all of
a sudden we have a very busy weekend, much busier
than we thought. I just with dtr though.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I do think that there's a lot to be said
for for how he's developed at UCLA under Chip Kelly,
who we know as a friend of Belichick and the past.
Sure that he is now compared to the passer that
he was when he got to you CLA a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Is night and day.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
So I do think there's a lot of upside there.
And until you're sold on your quarterback, how do you
not keep taking quarterbacks? And no one's saying they have
to take one in the first round, But until you're
stamped and approved that you got your guy, I don't
know how you give up on that position.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
All right, So I guess we'll, you know, sort of
round third here and bring this home, and I'll just
ask you the very simple uh one offs here tis
I'll start with you, who are the Patriots taken at fourteen? Well?
What do they do at fourteen? I don't want to
lead the witness trade up? Trade? What do you think
you want them to do?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Or what do I think they do?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Give me both what you want them to do and
what you think they will do.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
I want them to trade up, okay, And you know,
since I've been here, they've traded back, They've stood their
ground and then traded back again. I think this is
the year they trade up. And I'm not saying they
go up to like top ten, but you know, maybe
go to number eleven and they get Christian Gunzals or
Joy Porter.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Okay, what do you think they will do?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Stay where they are?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (23:02):
I think they stay where they are too, because just
off of their track record going from fourteen to twenty
six or something like that, I think that they're going
to see a pretty big talent drop off there in
those picks. But I think that it will be, unfortunately,
someone that we don't really love at the fourteenth overall pick,
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maybe like a Deontay Banks or Darnell Wright. Those two
guys stand out to me as Patriot type players that
they took the corner from Maryland, Like that's like the
reach kind of element to it that maybe even take
them over Joey Porter Junior. And that's gonna get everybody
all riled up. But did you ask what I want
them to do? Or can I Can I tell you
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what I want them to do? Because absolutely two part us.
At this point, I think that there's a lot to
be said for overall morale within the organization and improving
the overall just in that locker room, no pun intended.
And I think the only guy that I see in
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this draft that does that is Jackson Smith and Jigba
and maybe Zay Flowers, but I think that you are
reaching for Zay Flowers a little bit at fourteen. But
I think one of those two guys is the only
one that we get out to training camp, they get
back from the off season and people they you can
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start to see something here.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You can start there's some buzz.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, Bill Bryan back in the building now he has
some new toys to play with along with you know
the guys that have already been here. So what I
think they'll do is tires on a car, right, Like,
they'll take a tackle or at the corner that nobody
wants them to take. But what I hope they do
is take one of these two receivers. Really, jsn or
Zay Flowers are the only two guys that I really
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feel like are our surefire would be first rounders pretty
much any year. I think once you get into the
Addison's and the Quinton Johnston's year, you're going down a
little bit. But that's where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Mike, Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree with a lot
of what he said. I mean, I think that what
they're probably going to do is probably a tackle. I mean,
it's just you look at their history a draft. It's
defensive line, it's offensive line, it's you know, occasional linebackers,
but that's usually where they focus on. So if you're
looking at the history, it's probably that what would I
like them to do? I hear what he's saying with
wide receiver. I would be excited about one of those
cornerbacks though, And I think, you know, if it was Gonzales,
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I think that that's a piece that would generate some
buzz because I think the people that really watch know that,
like that's a piece that they need.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Evan talks about you need blue chip players.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Where do you need the blue chip players the most
totally agree on wide receiver. Not quite a match, but
like if you could get Gonzales at fourteen, somebody like that,
I think is a blue chip cornerback, big need.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, I don't have anything really different than any of
you guys. You know. I think that they will sit
tight and I think they will end up taking the tackle,
and I don't think that's a bad move. Like I
think that that's a big time need and I think
that has the probably the best chance to have a
quality player there is that position. What I want them
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to do is what would Matisse said, I would want
I want them to at least be prepared to be
aggressive and move up a couple of spots if they
see Gonzales. Now, hopefully they think about Gonzales the way
the four of us evidently do. I think he is
that kind of like long, athletic guy on the outside
that you could plug in for ten years and say
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I have a pretty good player out there. And I
think it's been a little bit since they had that guy.
You know, like you know when Gilmore, you know, was
here a couple of years now, you know. So I
think that that's really immeasurable. And you want to you
want to talk about this defense being the difference between
being you know, the fourth ranked defense and the fourth
best defense in football. You know, like there's a little
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bit of a difference there. I think if you can
improve the athleticism in your secondary, you can go from
a team that's highly rated on defense to a team
that's very good on defense. Now, who knows if he works,
but I would like to see them be prepared to
be aggressive if someone's slipping, to go up and get
at them.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I think that's so built to think that the answer
to Aaron Rodgers coming to the division and the Bill
is to continue to build on defense. Like I just
can't imagine he's going to look at this and say, oh, well,
the best way for us to compete with Buffalo is
to outscore them. He's not gonna think that. N No,
He's gonna think edge corner. Let's build through the defense,
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and let's build that side of the ball up so
we can win a game against Buffalo twenty four to
twenty one. He doesn't want to play Buffalo forty one
thirty eight. He doesn't see them having a chance, and
I can't necessarily disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
So we won't have to wait very much longer. That's
going to wrap up our draft podcast reviews here at
Jillette Stadium, and this weekend we'll get into it. So
we will be with you live when you're looking live
for the first round. We will be on for the
entirety of the first round on Thursday night, so you
want to, you know, check out and listen to everything
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that Mike and Evan have to say. They've done a
tremendous amount of research on this draft, so we will
have you. We will have opinions. I'm not telling you
they're right, wrong, or indifferent, but we'll have opinions on
the players that are getting picked and on who the
Patriots select, and we'll give you some instant analysis. We
will be with you Thursday night, like I said, for
the entirety of the first round. Will be with you
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Friday night. I believe from Friday seven to ten, seven
to ten, That's what I was going to guess. And
I don't know. Somebody involved in the Saturday show likes
to change the hours all the time. So tis what
are we doing Saturday? It looks like two to three,
two three, only one hour? Sure it's not two to
four sorry four two to four yeah, two to four
(28:37):
is what we've sort of locked into the last couple
of Saturdays. So if you want to figure out what
the Patriots are doing and what you think, how do
you think the Patriots?
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
We are all back together again here at Jillette Stadium,
and this time for our Draft podcast review. We're going
to actually recap the entire process. We've given you in
depth looks at every position, and we've talked about a
lot of different players. But what I thought we could
do here to sort of summarize and give everybody if
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you if you're only gonna listen to one podcast and
you want to get all the information, this would be
the one to download. Right, you know, this is this
this is your one stop shop. And I guess I'll
start it off. I have Mike you So, Evan Lazar
and Matis Bauman. Uh So, I want to get your
your thoughts first and foremost on what you think the
Patriots big needs are hit position wise heading into this draft.
(01:03):
And let's go around. Mike.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
You started off, Yeah, I'll start with offensive tackle. I mean,
I think that's nobody loves it. It's not sexy. But
I think if they took an offensive tackle at fourteen,
we'd all be like, yeah, all right, we get it.
It's not the sexiest need, and it's probably not the
one that's going to immediately change the offense like people want.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
But it's the kind of selection good teams make. So
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I guess we'll eat our vegetables if we get to
that point. But I think tackles definitely a need long term, especially.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Evan you agree at this point.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
I honestly don't really care too much about the position
as long as it's a premium position. Tackle, receiver, corner,
edge rusher. Let's not go anymore any more. Running backs,
no guards, right, none, safety.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
None of that.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
But when I look at the landscape now, especially with
Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets officially, and if you're
the Patriots, you just need to stack talent together on
this roster, I think getting too caught up in need
and too caught up and filling holes on your depth
chart and things like that, we're we might not be
there yet with this.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Don't get ahead of yourself. I have to don't ruin
all my questions all of one, but I wanted to
know what you thought the biggest positional need was not
necessarily what you think the pasots are going to do
at fourteen And I agree with your premise. Yeah, I
think they have enough holes that they don't have to
be pigeonholed into one position. But I would agree with Mike.
That's my view as tackle is probably the biggest. You
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can make an argument for the other spots that Evan's
at cornerback and you know, edge wide receiver. I mean,
I think you can make an argument for a lot
of different spots, but you know, tease where you fall.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
I'll give the people what they want. I want a
cornerback or a wide receiver. Yeah, the two, that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Another one who can't follow directions, that is what I want.
I ask a simple question, Mike Circle gets a square.
You're don't want to answer the question. But what I do.
I do agree with you guys, and I do tackle
like I understand you know, and no one more so
than me is going to sit there and say I
you know, I got to right like an analysis piece
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on a tackle like yeah, you know whatever. But at
the same time, you have Trent Brown, who is unreliable
to start with, but also entering the final year of
his deal. You picked up a couple of guys, one
at the end of his career, one who you think,
in Calvin Anderson, might be able to turn into something potentially,
but you really don't have a set starter at the
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right tackle position. So I do think it's probably time
that you addressed that and add some depth there, but
not necessarily saying you have to do it at fourteen.
So let's go where everyone was going, guys, and sort
of talk about how we think this board might unfold.
And I do think in terms of tackle, there was
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a minor element of that Aaron Rodgers deal that could
benefit the Patriots, and that I think the Jets were
a tackle team. They were in need of a tackle
and now I don't know if they would have taken one.
You know, we've seen mock drafts with guys all over
the place, but I do think the Jets were a
team that if a Broderick Jones or Paris Johnson or
Scarronsky one of those guys, they would have probably thought
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long and hard. Based on what I've seen a little
bit with Green Bay, it looks like they're not necessarily
looking for a tackle, maybe one of the wide receivers,
so that could benefit the Patriots if they want to do,
you know, that offensive line road.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
At the very least, I just like not having the
Jets pick right before the Patriots, because then it's something
that you know, you're always going to have to be
have it right in your face. But I think at
that point it's it's probably if I had to put
money down on like a roulette board, I would put
it on tackle, cornerback, and edge for that fourteenth overall pick,
with edge being a little bit of the dark horse
to see maybe somebody falls. I know they've been kicking
the tires on all those guys, but I think those
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are the positions that make sense, and there's a select few.
There's maybe what like five guys that you feel like
are worth it at fourteen that kind of fill it,
and otherwise then I feel like we get into the
twenty to forty range that like, there's a lot of
good guys in there that I think, could you know,
fill some of those needs that they have.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And I want to ask you something a little bit
more pointed with regard to that, just to change it
up a little bit from Mike's answer is the notion
that there aren't, you know, an abundance of blue chip guys.
And I think we all agree, you know, like I
don't follow this stuff as closely as the guys that
get paid to do it, but I think we all
agree that there's probably not more than say, six, eight,
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ten max first round kind of bonafide guys. Absolutely, If
that's the case, do you like the idea of moving
down or do you like the idea of ensuring that
you get one of the better players.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well, I just think that that's why I'm not I'm
not backing myself into a corner on a position, because
if you go into the draft, where like I think
they went into the draft last year and said, we're
coming out with a guard either either way, whatever way
it goes, we're coming out with the guard. I think
if you do that at tackle, which would probably be
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the most realistic position to do that at as well,
then you might get into a spot where you have
a B plus pick, right like, you have a plus
starter like a Darnell Wright or at Anton Harrison or
somebody along those lines who's gonna be a good player
for you. But I think the Patriots got enough good players, right,
They need players that are elite players. And that's why
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I don't necessarily look at this board the way that
it's shaping up right now and say that you absolutely
need to take this position at this spot. And your
point about the Blue Chippers is a good one. Where
if you're sitting there at fourteen, and let's see my
mock draft this morning, Tyree Wilson starts to slide a
little bit because I think if he doesn't go to
Houston at two, I can't really find a great place
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to put him in the top ten if it's not
to the Texans. The Seahawks are always a little bit
of a wild card team. To their board is kind
of like the Patriots. It beats to its own drums.
So you never really know what Seattle is thinking either.
But you start to think about some of the players that, Okay,
who's the most realistic guys that might slide into the
early part of the teams, right, And I think Tyree
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Wilson's one of them. I think Christian Gonzales is one
of them. It really seems like Devin Witherspoon is gonna
be the top corner in this draft. If you're the
Patriots and you're sitting there at fourteen, and it's not
trading up for a quarterback, so you're not giving up
a king's ransom to trade up, trading up to eleven
to leap frog a team like Houston that might have
some similar players on their board as you, and maybe
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to leap frog a team like Green Bay that typically
doesn't draft receivers in the first round, so maybe they're
looking at an edge position or something like that too.
I don't hate it like I think that that's something
that you realistically have to come away with because again,
if you trade it back into the twenties, I'm confident
that you're gonna get a solid, maybe above average to
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plus starter. But how many above average starters does one
team need? You know, you need some guys that are
gonna be bus drivers, not guys that are sitting in
the back right. So I think at some point you
have to think about that with this draft, that there
really isn't a ton of first round quote unquote talents.
I think a lot of teams are going to have
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fewer than fifteen of those in this draft, So.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Tis I'll switch it up a little bit to you
like I did with with Evan, and I'll ask you
if you could, like I understand the way the mock
drafts are unfolding, right, you don't know exactly, but if
you had a dream scenario that someone's available at fourteen
to it.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
I'm taking Christian. I mean, ideally you don't need to
trade up to get him.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
But I think you guys might want to watch All
Access tonight.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Actually I was leaning towards wide receiver, which also I
think it's hilarious Rogers left and there's a good chance
the Packers are finally gonna take a receiver in the
first round.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I saw that on Twitter yesterday about JSN, and I
did laugh to myself. I agree with Evan, that's sort
of an out of character move for the Packers, but
I did absolutely chuckle to myself, Like.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
To be fair, they took Christian Watson went thirty fourth overalls.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, but no, so Gonzales would be I think someone
that that, uh, that's one of those dream scenario that
might not necessarily have to be like strictly like your
head's in the clouds. I think there's a there's a
scenario that you can walk yourself through. You know, I
was away for a week, missed a lot of stuff.
(09:13):
Evidently Hendon Hooker is now in the first round, right right? Yeah?
I mean is that wrong?
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Back into the first Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, So what happens if someone says, you know what,
I want to make sure I get him, and they
move up ahead of fourteen yeah, to get Hendon Hooker?
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Well, I look at Tennessee, not just because he went
to Tennessee, but a team that I don't know how
you can be sold on that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Room right now.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
And if he's the there's other four quarterbacks go ahead
of them, and they can't trade up into the top
ten to get their guy, then maybe it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Seems like a be set year in Tennessee. Anyway, So
what's the deal if you have your first round pick
and you can't play for half the year? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I mean you look at the four quarterbacks the Falcons.
It just blows my mind that Atlanta, if there is
a quarterback on the board and that those top four
guys that the Falcons are gonna say, you know what,
we got Desmond Ridder, We're all set at quarterback. Like,
I feel like that has to be a spot where
they might just be sitting there and C. J. Stroud
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might just fall in their laps. And I just don't
know how as that front office you just say no,
we're good, like we have what ritter.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
You gotta wonder if some of these teams are just
waiting for next year's quarterback class.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Two.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean you got who Caleb Williams and then
that kid.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
For that's it.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I always think that's that's very dicey.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I agree. I mean, it's we've seen it happen so
many times that the guy you identified the year before
it turns out to be somewhat disappointing. Now, these guys,
you know, Young and Stroud weren't disappointing. They were the
guys going into the season. They were the guys coming
out of the season. But I think we've seen it.
You know, I think Sam Darnold was somewhat disappointing this
last year at USC. Yeah, you know, it didn't really
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hurt his dress hockey. I think he still went third overall.
But I think sometimes I agree with Evan that that
that can be dicey. But I do think if you
get like four quarterbacks and then possibly a fifth and
now the Green Bay thing to me throws a you know,
I don't know. Maybe they were interested in one of
the guys that you're interested, but I think that's a
different team ahead of you. Now you never know how
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these are gonna unfold. And then you know the kid
from Georgia, Jailen cut where does he go? Right? Right?
He's gonna take that? Does he? You know you mentioned
Seattle earlier, I could see that being a pick for I.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Think Seattle and Philly are the two teams in the
top ten that I see really strong front offices, good programs.
You can't if you're a team like the Raiders, for instance,
you can't take a chance on Jalen Carter because your
job is on the line.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
They've got many of those first rounders right in high
draft picks in recent years. They can't afford another one.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So you have to have a stable organization in the
front office that feels confident in their job security. I
think to take a guy like Jalen Carter, but I
still think he goes in the top ten. And you
look at the locks in the top ten, I think
the four quarterbacks are locked in the top ten some
way or another. Whether teams trade up into the top ten,
or they all go to teams that are already there.
Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, and then I think Devin Witherspoon
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has basically cemented himself as a top ten pick. So
that's seven guys and the other three spots, like I
said earlier, is a complete wild card.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I have a few more questions they're gonna ask. I
want to get all three of your thoughts, but I'll
start off with a very simple one. Who is the
best player in this class?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Jalen Carter right, I don't know. I mean, I guess
we'll have to see. On the quarterbacks, I mean, you know,
some size issues. There's a lot to like about Bryce Young, though.
Is it going to translate. I don't think it's crazy
to say that it will, but I mean I would
I would probably go with one of the defensive linemen.
Between Jalen Carter, Will Anderson, those two guys, I think,
you know, just an instant impact. They land in the
right place, especially when you talk about going to Philadelphia,
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I mean plugging that player into that front, I mean,
you know where he doesn't even I mean they've had
Fletcher Cox there forever. Now you add another kind of disruptive,
just problem play. I think those those guys especially, I mean,
you say, you talk about Carter with the issues that
he's had, it might end up better for him. He's
gonna end up on a better team now instead of
going in the top three, you know, if he goes
six to seven somewhere in there, Uh, he's gonna go
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into a great situation and really have a chance to flourish.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I'd probably go with those guys.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Jon Robinson, Yeah, that'd be my pick.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
I think it's Will Anderson or b Jon Robinson. The
only reason it wouldn't be is I think it's stupid
to take a running back in the first round.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying who I would want to take.
I'm saying, who do you think is the best player
in the draft? I think you can make a strong
argument for Robinson. I was waiting for Matist to come
up with like a Division two quarter, you know, who
has all the medical.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Nick Saldevari all dominion.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So you know, I like to sort of look at
it that way sometimes and then it's it's amazing, like
how wildly you can miss on some of those guys, Like, oh,
I think so and so is gonna be the best
player in the class, and so and so is out
of the league in three years.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Like, I agree with Mike that it is probably Jalen Carter.
I was just giving a different name that wasn't Jalen Carter.
But I think the one concern that you have with
Gillen Carter is the motor. He doesn't always play at
full tilt, but when he does play at full tilty,
is the most unstoppable thing in the draft.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Okay, I'm gonna give you this. Just one will give
you a lot of options. But if there's one guy,
and this is two different ways, I'm going to ask this.
I'm going to ask you first one guy that you
think really strongly will end the weekend as a Patriots draft.
Pick one guy to identify? Who would it be?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Mike the whole and the whole weekend? Who this is
a all right?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Moving on, we'll go to Evan and what Mike Finck
in the whole weekend? Any like, just one guy that
you saw like the Patriots are going to draft, I'll
do one. You want me to do one?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, go ahead, I'll say Tyler Steam.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I was gonna say Tyler you know, just a date.
It's my guy, that's my guy. You know, there's there's
there's quite a few. I mean it could maybe say
Charlie Jones. This is you know kind of that that
day two Jones Patriot. You know that that slot receiver.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
But he doesn't he have Patriots should take this guy,
but don't like you know, like he's too fast, like
like Hunter Renfro style right like where it's just is
like this is a slam dunk Patriot and then he
doesn't end up being.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Maybe one of the punters too. I throw in there
is like just potential like one of those.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Like I just I feel like they're definitely gonna take
a punter this year. That that seems just you know,
fifth round.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Yeah, if you have to lock something in, I think
Michael Turk, the punter from Oklahoma is as much as
when it comes to the draft, we can't lock anything in.
But you have a need a punter. You know that
Bill's gonna care about that. And you also have a
guy that you spent an entire week with working at
the Shrine Bowl and was impressive in Vegas at the
(15:43):
Shrine Bowl with the Patriots. I don't know, I mean,
I don't know how you don't come away from the
draft and needing a punter, but you don't take the
punter you worked with for a week. That that doesn't
really seem to line.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I would just sign one, you know. I'm sure there's
one down the stree at the Why and Foxborow who
can do it.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
But anyway he'll take they'll take them in the fifth round.
They'll trade up or something like that and get a
fifth round pick, because that's what they do.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
And then he'll actually put the foot on the ball
in the first game and everybody, just.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Like Jake Bailey turned out. But Dan Bruger actually had
him as like a seventh round pick, priority free agent
and the beasts. So maybe he is somebody that they
actually wait on and take in the sixth or seventh
round instead of reaching on a punter in the fact.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
To be clear, like you know, as much as my
snark comes through, like if you take him in the
seventh round just to make sure you get them, that's
nothing wrong with that. But like the whole trading up
in the fourth round or the fifth round, like I
think you can find players still in the middle of
the draft. I don't know Washington is a guy I
keep coming back to for the Patriots. I think the
(16:50):
position makes a lot of sense. Tight end. I think
the size and the skill set I think has to
be intriguing. I think one of those tight ends total,
But pick Washington because I don't want to be wishy.
I mean, like the Laporta, uh yeah, which it soon
make craft, you know, like all those kinds of guys
(17:10):
I think they may. Yeah, I think all those guys
make sense, but I want to pick one and pick Washington.
I know he's kind of been rising a little bit,
so maybe that requires some some aggressiveness.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I just think they have to hit this tight end
class given I mean what we know about them, They've
always been a huge tight end team. I mean we
can we will see what BILLYO thinks about, you know,
the tight ends and what you know, what he did
with Gronk and Hernandez, if that's something that still intrigues him.
But I'm a little bit more on just like the
guys who maybe could develop into that, like every down,
why tight end can play in line, can go out,
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can make you know, stretch the seam a little bit.
That that's the guy you're looking for but I would
still say too, I know, Hunter Henry and and and
and gets SICKI you are only on one year deals.
Like I could see Hunter Henry sticking around to I
don't know, if it's like they're gonna wash it next year,
I don't know, but I mean I could just see it, like,
you know, I kind of I would.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Love to take you got enough good players, right, but
you know, but maybe he's home run.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
But maybe next year he's the two you know, and
then this kid that we dropped this year develops and
you're like, all right, well, let's keep Hunter Henry around
as almost like what's his face that they had in
twenty ten, where they still kept the veteran tight end
who dropped.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
The ball on the twenty against the Jets. You know,
I'm talking about a Crumpler.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know, yeah, yeah, kind of that.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I don't think it's the Corps of Hunter Henry yet,
but I Thinkhunter Henry is gonna have a little bit
of a bount.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
If you saw what Algie Crumpler had to do to
get in his chair after every game, really he would
have been a little bit more sympathetic algym that poor
guy gave he shouldn't even be on the field give
everything he had to get out there every game tea.
So I'll start with you with this next one two
part question. Do they pick a quarterback? And if so,
which one would you like to see the Patriots pick.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
I don't think they pick a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Okay, so moving on?
Speaker 6 (18:49):
Yeah, No, I mean, do you obt me just spice
it up.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
No, tell me why you don't think they'll take a quarter.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I think he's just like you got a ride with Mac,
like I don't know, like if it doesn't work out,
see next year's class.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But I mean, well, I'm not yeah, necessarily saying you're
gonna take Anthony Richardson at fourteen or anything.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
But I mean no, I just I don't think. I
don't think the needs there. I think there are other
needs that need to be addressed and Matt can get
you through the season and hopefully he plays like he
does a rookie year.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Ye, too late to turn back down.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Come on, Evan, I say yes, I think they do
take a quarterback. I still would not be totally blown
away if they take Will Levis, if he's there at fourteen.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I just developing opinion that I missed last week. Well,
he came in for the visit. I know that I
did see that, and.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I just look at his skill I think his skill
sets a little bit misunderstood. I think a lot of
people look at him and see Josh Allen or Justin Herbert.
I see a much a player that's much better in
structure than out of structure, where those two guys I
think thrive on shots down the field and in their
athletic ability and their arm talent. I think the best
(19:54):
part about Levis is his quick game ability, is the
quick release and the ability to get the football out.
I think he's somebody that it has a long way
to go. But I just don't know if this regime
is in on Mac anymore. I just can't convince myself
that they like the kid. It is everything that they
it's hard to everything that they've pointed to.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
I think cooler heads prevail. I don't think that they
end up doing that, but I see a guy like
dtr in day three, maybe that it just makes too
much sense. At least you get somebody in here that
has a little bit more mobility and athletic upside than
the two guys you have in the room and maybe
if it doesn't work out with Mac, maybe maybe maybe
(20:35):
he turns into like a Jalen Hurts type developmental player.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
So I picked him as my quarterback on All Access.
In the game that'll be Wednesday night, So depending on
when you're listening to this podcast, that'll be the night
before the draft. But I just felt like, if you're
going to take a developmental guy, doesn't it need to
be one of those kind of guys with a completely
(20:59):
different kind of skills that than what you have. Yeah,
and some.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Really intriguing traits, you know, just not the whole package yet.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
But so like, do you feel he'll take a quarterback?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
I do, and I would I would just stamp everything
and said, I mean we've been talking about DTR since,
you know, the beginning of this whole process, and I
mean I think that for everything you guys said, it
just makes sense to round out the room.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
I'm always a fan of taking quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I think it's good business in general. You never know
when you're going to take one in the fourth round.
Who creates value for you.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I do would love to and this isn't the forum
for it, but I'd love to go down the wormhole
of like what does it look like if they took
will Levis? Like what you know when we get out
the camp? You know, like what's the plan? Like all
those things. I think those are fun things to speculate.
But but I'm with you guys.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
If they take will Levis, I think Mac gets moved
on Friday.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I would have to agree. I agree, And all of
a sudden we have a very busy weekend, much busier
than we thought. I just with dtr though.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I do think that there's a lot to be said
for for how he's developed at UCLA under Chip Kelly,
who we know as a friend of Belichick and the past.
Sure that he is now compared to the passer that
he was when he got to you CLA a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Is night and day.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
So I do think there's a lot of upside there.
And until you're sold on your quarterback, how do you
not keep taking quarterbacks? And no one's saying they have
to take one in the first round, But until you're
stamped and approved that you got your guy, I don't
know how you give up on that position.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
All right, So I guess we'll, you know, sort of
round third here and bring this home, and I'll just
ask you the very simple uh one offs here tis
I'll start with you, who are the Patriots taken at fourteen? Well?
What do they do at fourteen? I don't want to
lead the witness trade up? Trade? What do you think
you want them to do?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Or what do I think they do?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Give me both what you want them to do and
what you think they will do.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
I want them to trade up, okay, And you know,
since I've been here, they've traded back, They've stood their
ground and then traded back again. I think this is
the year they trade up. And I'm not saying they
go up to like top ten, but you know, maybe
go to number eleven and they get Christian Gunzals or
Joy Porter.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Okay, what do you think they will do?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Stay where they are?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (23:02):
I think they stay where they are too, because just
off of their track record going from fourteen to twenty
six or something like that, I think that they're going
to see a pretty big talent drop off there in
those picks. But I think that it will be, unfortunately,
someone that we don't really love at the fourteenth overall pick,
(23:23):
maybe like a Deontay Banks or Darnell Wright. Those two
guys stand out to me as Patriot type players that
they took the corner from Maryland, Like that's like the
reach kind of element to it that maybe even take
them over Joey Porter Junior. And that's gonna get everybody
all riled up. But did you ask what I want
them to do? Or can I Can I tell you
(23:43):
what I want them to do? Because absolutely two part us.
At this point, I think that there's a lot to
be said for overall morale within the organization and improving
the overall just in that locker room, no pun intended.
And I think the only guy that I see in
(24:06):
this draft that does that is Jackson Smith and Jigba
and maybe Zay Flowers, but I think that you are
reaching for Zay Flowers a little bit at fourteen. But
I think one of those two guys is the only
one that we get out to training camp, they get
back from the off season and people they you can
(24:26):
start to see something here.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You can start there's some buzz.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, Bill Bryan back in the building now he has
some new toys to play with along with you know
the guys that have already been here. So what I
think they'll do is tires on a car, right, Like,
they'll take a tackle or at the corner that nobody
wants them to take. But what I hope they do
is take one of these two receivers. Really, jsn or
Zay Flowers are the only two guys that I really
(24:51):
feel like are our surefire would be first rounders pretty
much any year. I think once you get into the
Addison's and the Quinton Johnston's year, you're going down a
little bit. But that's where I'm at.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Mike, Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree with a lot
of what he said. I mean, I think that what
they're probably going to do is probably a tackle. I mean,
it's just you look at their history a draft. It's
defensive line, it's offensive line, it's you know, occasional linebackers,
but that's usually where they focus on. So if you're
looking at the history, it's probably that what would I
like them to do? I hear what he's saying with
wide receiver. I would be excited about one of those
cornerbacks though, And I think, you know, if it was Gonzales,
(25:23):
I think that that's a piece that would generate some
buzz because I think the people that really watch know that,
like that's a piece that they need.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Evan talks about you need blue chip players.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Where do you need the blue chip players the most
totally agree on wide receiver. Not quite a match, but
like if you could get Gonzales at fourteen, somebody like that,
I think is a blue chip cornerback, big need.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, I don't have anything really different than any of
you guys. You know. I think that they will sit
tight and I think they will end up taking the tackle,
and I don't think that's a bad move. Like I
think that that's a big time need and I think
that has the probably the best chance to have a
quality player there is that position. What I want them
(26:01):
to do is what would Matisse said, I would want
I want them to at least be prepared to be
aggressive and move up a couple of spots if they
see Gonzales. Now, hopefully they think about Gonzales the way
the four of us evidently do. I think he is
that kind of like long, athletic guy on the outside
that you could plug in for ten years and say
(26:21):
I have a pretty good player out there. And I
think it's been a little bit since they had that guy.
You know, like you know when Gilmore, you know, was
here a couple of years now, you know. So I
think that that's really immeasurable. And you want to you
want to talk about this defense being the difference between
being you know, the fourth ranked defense and the fourth
best defense in football. You know, like there's a little
(26:42):
bit of a difference there. I think if you can
improve the athleticism in your secondary, you can go from
a team that's highly rated on defense to a team
that's very good on defense. Now, who knows if he works,
but I would like to see them be prepared to
be aggressive if someone's slipping, to go up and get
at them.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I think that's so built to think that the answer
to Aaron Rodgers coming to the division and the Bill
is to continue to build on defense. Like I just
can't imagine he's going to look at this and say, oh, well,
the best way for us to compete with Buffalo is
to outscore them. He's not gonna think that. N No,
He's gonna think edge corner. Let's build through the defense,
(27:23):
and let's build that side of the ball up so
we can win a game against Buffalo twenty four to
twenty one. He doesn't want to play Buffalo forty one
thirty eight. He doesn't see them having a chance, and
I can't necessarily disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
So we won't have to wait very much longer. That's
going to wrap up our draft podcast reviews here at
Jillette Stadium, and this weekend we'll get into it. So
we will be with you live when you're looking live
for the first round. We will be on for the
entirety of the first round on Thursday night, so you
want to, you know, check out and listen to everything
(27:56):
that Mike and Evan have to say. They've done a
tremendous amount of research on this draft, so we will
have you. We will have opinions. I'm not telling you
they're right, wrong, or indifferent, but we'll have opinions on
the players that are getting picked and on who the
Patriots select, and we'll give you some instant analysis. We
will be with you Thursday night, like I said, for
the entirety of the first round. Will be with you
(28:16):
Friday night. I believe from Friday seven to ten, seven
to ten, That's what I was going to guess. And
I don't know. Somebody involved in the Saturday show likes
to change the hours all the time. So tis what
are we doing Saturday? It looks like two to three,
two three, only one hour? Sure it's not two to
four sorry four two to four yeah, two to four
(28:37):
is what we've sort of locked into the last couple
of Saturdays. So if you want to figure out what
the Patriots are doing and what you think, how do
you think the Patriots?
Speaker 7 (28:46):
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