Patriots Unfiltered 4/18: Assistant Coaches Media Access Takeaways, NFL Draft Preview

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People might have noticed last week Evant a little of
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And I think Wes Welker was kind of a dick.

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Someone give me an example of a coach who openly
did something that wasn't in the best.

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Robin says, worst show ever. It's Draft season. Josh An
Haffel says, this is one of the best shows I've.

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Heard, those emails, the dueling emails. I can't think of
anything I'd rather listen to less than some of Gonzales
first round or did they go flow?

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all draft.

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You know, Lincoln Riley, I don't know off my head, Wow,
how pro ready that offense is?

Speaker 6 (00:53):
What's the mat with you?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I don't know.

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I didn't have some research done for good sense.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
You guys have done watched every one of these guys
fart over the last three years.

Speaker 6 (01:05):
You can't tell me what kind of offense this is.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Dunkin. Hello, and welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium and we're a
little over a week away from the NFL Draft. Exciting times.
The gang will be here momentarily. They're just finishing up

(01:30):
with Matt GROW's pre draft press conference. We were streaming
that live on Patriots dot com. You might perhaps have
been watching that. And there was also coaches availability today,
so all the coaches were out there and we'll get
some insight from the guys and Tamara about what who

(01:52):
said what, and our first time officially talking to Bill O'Brien,
so that was that'll be interesting. And as I say that,
Deuce walks into the room. What's up, Deuce?

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Hello, I came running.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I was like, oh, oh, Fred, I know you were
here flying solo, so I know, I know you're pro.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
I know you proudly wearing your Patriot League champions, you.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Know, quarter pull up, quarter zip whatever it is, shout
out Holy Cross.

Speaker 6 (02:17):
Thank you for the free swag.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Appreciate it. But uh yeah, it was fun. We got
to talk to the coaches. A little bit her from
Bill O'Brien. Jirob Mayo finally got to meet Adrian Clem,
who talked with him a little bit. So, you know,
i'd just say the first big part was everybody just
kind of excited to get the players back yesterday, and yeah,
you know, start to feel like like things are our progressive.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
So from your perspective, highlights from the coaches.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
Today, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I was in a little bit of a unique position
because I was with our cameraman kind of doing some
of the side podiums.

Speaker 7 (02:47):
Well.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Evan and some of the other guys were you know,
circled around Jimeo and Bill O'Brien, who took you know,
the great majority of the interest from everybody.

Speaker 6 (02:55):
So it was kind of nice for me because we
got a little.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Bit more one on one time with some of the
lesser coaches, but just catching up on Bill O'Brien. Not
a ton of specifics being told, you know, we're starting.

Speaker 6 (03:04):
At the ground level.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Everybody's got to come in probably what you would expect,
but I would just say for me to look up
there and see Bill O'Brien and say, all right, the
offense is in good hands. Yeah, he's just kind of
that that like kind of gave you a little feeling
of confidence talking to Adrian Clem.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
Serious guy, seems.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Excited to be back, just excited that these guys are
here and that they're going to be a big part
in And what's.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Kind So Gerrod Mayo, who was he speaking on behalf
of Like was he speaking on behalf of the defense
or as assistant head coach?

Speaker 8 (03:35):
Like?

Speaker 5 (03:35):
What was his capacity down there?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, technically he was speaking as part of the defense.
He was part of the first defensive group. But he
did get you know, kind of I don't want to
say special treatment, but was at the raised kind of area.
And you know, I mean I would I would say
that would usually probably be what you would expect from
the defensive coordinator.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
I mean, it was the same Bill O'Brien came in
and took his spot.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
So not to say that he is the defensive coordinator,
but he certainly seemed to have a little bit more
of a leadership presence as far as these Usually he'd
be just like, you know, next to Steve and the
two of them would just be in groups with everybody else.
But he definitely had a little bit of a spotlight.
I'm a little surprised at that.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
I thought that maybe girod wouldn't be talking, you know,
as assistant head coach, and then maybe Steve Belichick would
you know, be talking at behalf of the entire defense.
But I we'll see, Yeah, no it does.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
I mean it does seem like he Steve was down there.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Steve was down there, but but again he was you know,
they had side offices where they were doing the meetings.
This is a temporary press area that we've got set up.
So this is the first time we saw that area.
So we were in some of the off private rooms.
But girob was up there on the podium, which then
Bill O'Brien replaced him, and then they brought up a
podium and that's where Macro was just finishing up when

(04:49):
I when I ran out to get down here, right,
huh okay, yeah, yeah, that will long the tight ends coach. Briefly,
Alex and Tamara had already grilled him, I guess, so
he seemed like he was really sweating from their questions.
Now now he was seemed really nice, really nice kid.
Talked to Vinison Serry a little bit, you know, like
I said, it's it's fun sometimes when everybody is just swamping.

(05:10):
Bill O'Brien and would be me and Chris were just
kind of talking to Vinnie, asked him some questions for
camera and then just you know, how was your off
season would you get to do and you know, said
that they that they had gotten the week of the
owner's meetings off, so you got to get away a
little bit. So but everybody seems excited to you know,
be back in the building, get the players back in.
Asked a few of the coaches just what was it
like working on at the Shrine Bowl with some of
those young kids, and you know, they all said it

(05:31):
was a real good opportunity for them as coaches to
get these kids who are you excited but don't really
know what they're doing yet, and you know they're kind
of blank canvas is to work with.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
So you met you mentioned of course Bill O'Brien's back, uh,
you know, and there was a feeling from you that
you know, just just looking at him. I mean, he's
got a presence and grown up in the room. What
was his you know, how was he his demeanor?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
I mean, I I you know, I wish Paul was
here to provide because he's been here with this is
the first time I've really been around Bill O'Brien, but
you know, I've gotten so used to seeing him as
the head coach of the Texans now, you know, he
just has that kind of head coach presence about him.
So that was he didn't really say anything that that's
gonna get anybody excited or you know, which is how

(06:20):
we've been reviewing things and we're not going to tell
you what we're doing, but we're gonna start, you know,
all the cliches that you would expect. But it was just,
you know, that presence of this is a really experienced
offensive football coach who you know, I'm I'm interested. I
mean I said this yesterday just or sorry, two days
ago with the draft preview party.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
We're just you know, what is Bill O'Brien?

Speaker 3 (06:39):
What is this version of Bill O'Brien, Like, we know
what he was when he was here, and he was
here for a while and worked his way up and
then we see the two tight end offense that kind
of happened in twenty ten and twenty eleven, and he
went to Penn State, he went to Houston. He worked
with you know, Deshaun Watson, a mobile quarterback. He's worked
with you know, a couple of Alabama quarterbacks. Now, so
what's what's he going to bring? You know, what's different,
what kind of twist is going to bring? And you know,

(07:01):
connecting it back to last year when we got out
there on OTAs, I, you know, my inexperience was he
can't really learn anything from out here, but I think
you can and I think there's gonna be some interesting
glimpses of, you know, just kind of how they're starting
to stack the bricks.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
You mentioned the draft preview party that you were part
of the panel over the weekend. How did that go
and who did you share the panel with.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
I was hosted by one and only might you already
who did an outstanding job and the field yates from ESPN,
Mike Greece, Karen Grigian. So, I mean it's a panel
of legends and then port us So I'm kind of like,
but but of course that is just a panel of
professionals who are outstanding at what they do.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
We got to talk to Marcus Jones.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
He came up and you know, talked a little bit
about his season and you know, like all rookies, having
here in his second year, being a little bit more
assimilated into what they're doing. And and Logan Mankins came
up so and I've never really got to meet him,
but man, what just his hand is like just engulfed
my hand. He's just such a giant guy. But but
he was a lot of fun. Congratulating him on his

(08:03):
nomination for the Hall of Fame. I asked him a
little bit about, you know, what was it like going
up against Rabel, and you know, he expressed a lot
of respect for Rabel, and you know, I still roof
of the Titans.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
I love that. In terms of the panelists, you know,
in the past, you know, Teddy Bruski was on the
panel and he famously came out strongly for Rob Gronkowski
that year. Oh yeah, you know, being from Arizona and
all that stuff, where you know, Karen Field, any of
the up there like strongly advocate for any particular player. No.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
I mean it was funny, Fred, because honestly, my opinion
was like I felt like we spent more time talking
about the team as currently constituted, and then Field Yates
kind of ran through some prospects and Reese was very
much like, I don't really know anybody.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Yet, and and why are you up here now?

Speaker 3 (08:49):
And and you know, Karen talked a little bit about
some of the Alabama guys. So it was just funny
because I was, you know, I I think I can
do an okay job of you know, working some of
the general guys in. But I was imagining Evan in
that situation, who probably would have been like a caged
bull where they're like, you can't say anything.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
About any of the draft guys. But you know we did.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
We did get a chance to talk about the big
positions cornerback, wide receiver, and offensive tackle, and I think
everybody you know sees a lot of it. Similarly of
you've got a mix of the tackle guys, you've got
some real promise with the cornerbacks. If the right guy fell,
still some opportunities later and is one of those wide
receivers worth it. I thought it was interesting in the
Grow press conference that Alan Siegel like specifically just Zay Flowers.

(09:30):
There's been such a ground swell about him, and you know,
he didn't say anything, but he said more than I
thought he would, which was kind of describing Zay uh
just as as such an explosive player.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
He just said, you know, he's just a good receiver.
He didn't want to label him, you know, inside outside
slot whatever.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
But you can feel everybody's just kind of got that
like that that hot and bothered about Zay.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
But you know, I'll tell you just sticking to the receivers,
I did, you know, start doing my own research, you know,
and I can see why the experts are saying there's
a lot of good receivers but not a lot of
first round talent. Yeah, you know, I can see that.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah it's true. I mean I don't I don't think
any of those guys really in a in an average
year would go beyond earlier than twenty probably. I mean,
I'm sure people can talk themselves into you know, Jackson Smith,
Ninjigba and and Za Flowers and you know, maybe Quentin Johnson,
but there's just isn't that like a lave Garrett Wilson,
you know, I mean, all those guys ended up being
really really good players. And I think even the good

(10:32):
players in this year might be limited a little bit
and what they can and what they can do, or
at least in the questions coming out. But you can
see why everybody loves a Flowers. It's you know, obvious
what he could possibly bring to this offense.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah, I mean he he seems to be pretty dynamic.
But again, like you know, he's small, he's small, Yeah,
and he's slight, and you know, I do think though
that he's quicker than Thornton. You know, Thornton is is
slight too, but he's taller. Yeah, but I think that
you know, Jay Flowers in small spaces, is you know,

(11:05):
quicker than Thornton. Yeah, but you know, like how is
he going to do when press coverage? You know, how
is he going to separate at the line and all
that that's still to be determined.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
I think that's questions with with all these guys, whether
you're talking about those two guys or you know, Josh
Down's a guy that I've I've mentioned. You know, there's
there's just a number, but they're all all maybe small,
all maybe not quite as fast as you would like.
I think Jay Flowers has the most potential to be
the total package, but everybody else there there's always going

(11:35):
to be an issue with some of these prospects. And yeah,
you know, I think it's it's just you can read
between the lines with the questions, they're actually growing. Ben
Volin was just like, look, do you feel like you've
done enough around mac right now? And you know they
the company line, and well, we're continuing to build. We're
continuing to do these things, of course, and who knows,
there might there might still be some movement. But at

(11:56):
the same time, it's it's just a little bit like, man,
I wish that there was like, you know, those four
or five elite receivers, like there have been the last
couple of classes where we could be salivating over multiple
guys who could potentially fall, rather than like could we
maybe get Zay there? Do we maybe trade down to
twenty and try to get them there? You know, it's
just it's a little bit complicated. But I'm kind of
with Evan where it's like, if you really need the guy,
just go get them.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
All right. So I want to talk a little bit
about some NFL news, you know that's happened over the
last few days. But before we do that, you also
mentioned new location for the media workroom. They're doing construction
here people. You might have seen pictures online already. You know,
Patriots are completely redoing the north end of the stadium

(12:38):
with the largest video board outdoor video board in the
NFL new club, you know, and new and where the
media workroom is that's part of this construction, so they
had to relocate you guys, it looked smaller. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
I mean it's a set up.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
I mean it was a weird day because there were
so many interviews going on at once, so you had
to spread out a little bit and sometimes they would
do that and just in the hallway out here, which
was seemed like it made the most sense. But but
it looks like it's it'll it'll work fine for you know,
for a space for a year and then I guess
we'll see where we're at. I mean, I think the
media probably likes it. There's more room to probably stretch
out in those little back private rooms than there was before. Okay,

(13:17):
maybe a little bit. And then they had I got
a banana, They had a little food spread out for
us and everything. So yeah, it's uh maybe not maybe
not quite as direct route down there into it but
that we had before.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
But Tamara's just came in, she's getting settled. I'm going
to ask her her perspective on what the coaches had
to say. Hello Tamara, Hi, So you just came from
the access what were your highlights.

Speaker 9 (13:45):
I feel like I'm still processing Matt grow Yeah, Like,
did you say for the whole thing?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Dude? I popped out just a little bit early.

Speaker 9 (13:53):
Yeah, I'm just I'm intrigued. One why, I thought, I
don't know if you heard the question about since we're
running most of the players back on defense and we
only swapped on a few players on offense that were
kind of what most people thought is equivalent to each other,
if he thought that personnel wasn't the issue last year,

(14:14):
And so I was like, hmm, that's actually you know
something we've talked about on here, Like you know, is
Jacoby and Juju the same player? Like? Are the swaps
the same? And we're running back the defense. So was
the coaching the issue and not the personnel? And He's
like no, he was like, we were an eight and
nine team last year. We have to get better. So
everything that we're doing, we're trying to get better. And
you know that does start with the draft, with which

(14:35):
Robert Kraft said over the summer at the owner's meetings,
And so I thought it was very interesting that he
doesn't agree with the notion that, you know, we're not
running it back. We are trying to make changes. We
are trying to get faster and stronger, and that starts
with the draft, And so I thought that was intriguing.
And then I also thought someone asked about Cole Strange.
Did you hear about that?

Speaker 5 (14:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I like that one.

Speaker 9 (14:57):
Someone asked about Cold Strange and Taekwon Thornton and if
you know, there was pressure essentially for this year's draft
to make better picks. Ursus like what what He's trying
to figure out the wording for. He was like, I'm
trying to figure out what the word is to describe
those two, but random is what to say?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Random?

Speaker 9 (15:14):
Like, is there pressure, you know, to make a better
pick in the first and second round? And he's like, yeah,
there's always pressure. If you're gonna pick somebody in the
first round, you have to be really confident about them
because that's a four to five year investment. So he
was like, you know, when we're making those picks, we are,
you know, doing what's best for our team, which you
know is the standard deal answer. But I'm I'm intrigued.
I'm still processing everything that was said, but I do

(15:36):
feel like this draft is going to be really different.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Then, you know, Matt said that, you know, he equipped
after one question that you know, this is only really
my second year doing this, you know. Yeah, kind of
laughed about it, but I thought he was he's been
involved longer than that in the draft room.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, you know, I think so. I mean, he's been
around for a while. But yeah, I make it a
little bit of a.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
When he said doing this like I'd like to know
what exactly this.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
Is kind of running the show? Yeah, having the.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yeah, because like last year's draft, in my opinion, probably
wasn't as good as the year before. You know, when
you had Mac and you had bar More and you know,
but then you know, this last year's could turn out
to be better. If if Thornton and you know, the
Jones guys, you know, it could turn out to be okay.

(16:30):
But I thought that the year before was a more
solid draft in sure, And so who was running that
draft as opposed to last year's draft?

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, I mean it felt weird. It felt like, hey,
twenty twenty one, this is what we've been waiting for.
You tack the Alabama player, you trade up for another
Alabama player, you get, you know, some familiar programs, guys
from Oklahoma.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
I do.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
I mean, I think it's an interesting point.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
And I you know, I bring back to the draft
party when we were kind of talking about this class,
and you know, I find myself feeling like, I think
the jury's largely still out, you know, of how much
of an impact this class can have. I mean, there's
certainly some intrigue with you know, Thornton's speed and you know,
getting a full camp and you know, I'm sure he's
probably added some weight. But you know, Jack Jones, is

(17:14):
he going to be a start?

Speaker 5 (17:14):
I think I think, well, but I think he's a
solid player. Solid, but I think Marcus Jones could be
He's the you know, the diamond, the ones. You know,
if those two guys you know, play well, then it's
a good draft all of a sudden, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
And if you know, and if Cold Strange, it's will
you notice it? Will you notice it?

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Is going to be fine?

Speaker 6 (17:33):
He's going to be fine.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
But you know, it's like, I mean, fine, well, yeah,
And that's that's what I found myself thinking with with
grow talking today about how much pressure is on you
for those first round picks, and it was hard not
to immediately think of Cold Strange and think you know,
what kind of performance do you need to get out
of him for him to be up to that draft
that it's like it's like.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
He's your starting guard for ten years? Is that okay?
I don't you know, he's not all pro, but he's
just starting guard. He's a fixture at left guard for
ten years. Is that okay?

Speaker 3 (18:04):
I say maybe not, just because if in the first round,
I just I'd like to have at least a Logan
Mankin's type presence like it just and I and I
love what Cole Strang like. I love his attitude, his
he's such a pain in the ass to play. I
always love that in guards, and I think he's one
of those kind of extra business guys after the whistle
and then you know, the whistle blows and he just stops.
Like I just I love that style of him. But

(18:25):
I just want to see it show up more as
you know, toughness being consistently delivered in the run game
and he's road grading guys and you know those kind
of things. So I I just I mean, look, he's
going to be a ten year guard. Nobody's going to complain.
But I also just you know, always going to be
like Joe Toney, like, well we had Joe Toney.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Well they screwed up on Joe Tune.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
They just kept Joe Touney, and then you know, we
wouldn't be in this position to begin with. So I
go back to that, But I I just I still
think there's a lot of questions to be answered about
this class.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
Marcus Jones.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Really my question with him is just what's the ceiling?

Speaker 6 (18:55):
How high?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
How much of could he be like one of these uh,
you know, three fase NFL superstars that does it all
and it's you know, like the face of a franchise
kind of a guy. I think he could be.

Speaker 5 (19:05):
Yeah, I think he could be. No, that's I'm excited
about him.

Speaker 9 (19:08):
I'm looking back through mycrow notes and I would say
two things. My actually, my biggest like eyebrow raise was
I love how he's Oh he says he's using Bill
O'Brien as a resource just with all of his knowledge.
Obviously he's seen all those guys at Alabama for the
past three years and also seen the rest of the
SEC for the past three or so years, and so
I think that's great because like, that's the type of

(19:29):
caliber player that I want you to draft. In the
first round. I want you to draft a guy that's
like a nighbor and guy that's good that's played against
good talent, and not you twa Chattanooga. I just don't
want that in the first round.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
I mean I was just wondering though, like what is
Bill O'Brien's expertise with like the offensive pieces of the
Like shouldn't he know the defensive pieces of the sec
around Alabama a little better? Like how much time is
he spending really studying I think both of the other teams,
you know, just something like it'd be interested, like what
kind of inputs you get from him, like, oh, man,
we couldn't block this guy, you know, Nolan sp we

(20:00):
couldn't block this guy, or what you know, those kind
of examples rather than oh, this guy gave our defense
a lot of trouble and it's just interesting. But I mean,
like he said, the guy has done everything. I mean,
he knows what he's seeing. So it's a it's a
great resource, and so is.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
He should be a great resource to mac Row. He
should also be a great resource to hopefully Bill Belichick.
I mean going to Penn State, you know, you know, Houston, Texans.
Then going over to Alabama then coming back to the NFL.
That's a lot of experience to draw from, you know,
different types of situations, you know. I like I said

(20:37):
before of Patricia and Joe Judge, even though that they
didn't do well as head coaches, just having that experience
helps them. Now, it didn't help them in the roles
that they were put in, but it just just you know, wisdom,
It helps you with wisdom.

Speaker 6 (20:54):
It's almost like you forget about it.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
With Bill O'Brien.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
Like Bill O'Brien, I.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Think my biggest excitement is just that he is an
experienced offensive coordinator. And we said that so many times
last year, which I agree, Like, I mean, I don't
think that that's anything controversial to say that a coach
that has been a head coach in the league doesn't
have far more experience to draw upon than somebody who
hasn't been. So you know, but then you remember, like,
oh my god, he was in Houston forever. I mean,

(21:17):
he came here and played against us in the playoffs,
like he's he's seen all sides of it. So I
think that's just again that all feeds into just seeing
this presence up there today and saying, you know, we
got we got a real guy now in charge of
the offense. And you know, there's not gonna be any
excuses this year. If it doesn't look good, it's gonna
be probably because the players just aren't that good.

Speaker 9 (21:35):
Yeah, you know, and when you're looking at you know,
the draft board, I guess this would be a great
time to have Evan here too. With the way Matt
grow described what he's looking for in a first round pick,
just like character and player wise, they want a guy
that's gonna come in and immediately be able to make
an impact, not like five years later being making make
an impact, but like right now, it's like looking at
the positions of the player, like the Patriots need. Is

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that wide receiver that you need to come in right
now and be great that you draft at fourteen?

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Or is that corner or is like it used to
be that wide receivers didn't make in median impact, But
that's changed over the last ten years, I'd say in
the NFL as more and more college programs are running
offenses that are you know, transferable to the NFL.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, seven on seven proliferation, all that stuff.

Speaker 9 (22:23):
And then I also like when he mentioned that, like,
you know, what's it take to get like the ball
rolling and everyone's starting to pick wide receivers. He's like,
all it takes is one, right, So once the first
team picks a wide receiver in the first round, then
everyone's like, okay, I need to go get one. Yeah,
And so I thought that was interesting too. It's like,
I wonder, if you know that does start at pick ten,
that does that mean potentially Zay could be our pick

(22:43):
at fourteen? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
I think I think the first run will be on cornerbacks.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
I think, I mean, I think, I mean, I'd probably
split it between the tackles, and I mean, I just
it's you can talk yourself in and out of any
of these positions. As far as what's going to go above,
I mean, I think the cos I'm looking at, you know,
Peter Schrieger's mock draft here where he's got Hendon Hooker
going eleventh overall like a move like that, which nobody
really has. But you know, it just takes something like

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that to happen that no one's projecting, and it kind
of screws everything up and it's gonna push somebody down.
Who's it gonna push down the board, and I think
we spend so much time talking about those positions. I
think the edge is that spot where if they're gonna
go away from one of those three spots, I think
it might be one of those random edge guys that's
just get you pushed down.

Speaker 9 (23:28):
I could see Hendon Hooker that high. Not because I
love him because he went differty intech, but I like
Hendon Hooker in the sense like, if you don't have
an immediate quarterback need, you could wait for his acl
to heal, he could be groomed by whoever your starting
quarterback is and then be ready to go at some
point during the season and hopefully get some reps in.
But if you have an immediate quarterback need, obviously no,

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because he's not gonna be ready.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I mean they seem like they're gonna have a need
sooner than later, like you know with Tannehill.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
Like is he long for this?

Speaker 9 (23:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:56):
I mean I know Hendon Hooker's older too, and that's
you know, part of the evaluation of is he going
to be ready to go? And if he's not, how
old is he going to be by the time that.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
He is yeady to go?

Speaker 9 (24:04):
And then staying on the same quarterback topic, the topic
of are you going to draft a quarterback this year?
Like the question that was asked is like, well, I'll
always like to keep you know, the competition going in
that quarterback room. So he was like, I don't see
the issue with always evaluating the quarterbacks every single year, yep,
because that makes the competition in the room better.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Listen, while Brady was here, they drafted a quarterback almost
every year.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, well that was that was his example was when
he was a scout, when we had twelve here, it
was never, Hey, we're good on quarterback. You don't have
to look at those guys. But I did find it
interesting Tamar's point of hitting that competition theme, and it's
a little bit of what Bill said about is Matt, look,
everybody's going to get a chance to compete. It's the
same company line about that position. So I always think

(24:48):
it's good business to draft quarterbacks. I would not be
opposed to taking one again. I know we've talked about
the kid from UCLA dtr a bunch. Yeah, I just
think people get so worked up, and I when you
take one in like the second or third round, of course,
then it's probably a reflection on how you feel. But
you know, those day three day guys that you're picking up,
trying to develop, keep on the practice squad, give you

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a look at certain points. I just think you can
never have too many of those guys in the building.

Speaker 9 (25:15):
Yes, as insurance, and I really want if you are
going to bring in competition in the couarterback room, I
want it to be someone with a different skill set.
So that's why I said DTR and I talked about
Troy Brown about this today when we were talking to them,
is like, how much of like, you know, an impact
do you think you'll have on like the draft class
with you guys being able to have hands on like
work with these guys, And he was like, yeah, it

(25:36):
was so great to not just be able to watch
them on film, but to see them in person, see
how they are in the meeting rooms, see how they
are off the field. Like he was like, that experience
was something that like is so valuable. And so that's
why I'm thinking, like, if they are going to pick one,
like maybe DTR is yeah.

Speaker 10 (25:49):
One.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Well, my big takeaway from Troy Brown was unfortunately he's
going back into the Sharon Flag Football League so I
was like, hey, Troy, you're going back in share and
he's like, oh yeah, like no, not again, and.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
He was he was asked like two questions about Juju
two and he's and you know, he did emphasize that
the yards after catch is huge from Juju.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
You know who else I talked to was Ross Douglas,
who I didn't really get a chance to meet last year,
but he absolutely for me, stole the show on the
Shrine Bowl, miked up like just such great energy. We
were walking by the rooms. I think it was right
after Billy Oh came out, so he's just sitting in
the room by himself, like I'm like, oh dude, sorry,
we went up.

Speaker 6 (26:27):
We talked him.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
But what a what a great guy, just great energy
about him. I mean he's just all like you could
just tell me he's ready to go. Yeah. So pretty
pretty cool to see him. And you know, just some
of these young guys that that you know, we're kind
of filling the lower levels of the coaching ranks and
starting to work there.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Way it will needs to build that back up. I mean,
he had that pipeline of internal guys that you know
in the brain drain kind of you know heard our
depth chart.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, you know, yeah, and talked to Brian Brian Belichick too,
who spoke at your at your football Clint.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, I did a great job.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Did another clinic. I think I think I heard overheard
Andrew Callahan of The Herald saying he just did another clinic.
So he's been all over the place to these guys,
you know, just being able to get out and coach
coach new faces, and you know, I think it must
help coaches being able to have to verbalize things to
new coaches and to new plays.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
I mean, coaches is now coaching is teaching. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 9 (27:21):
So one more thing before we got to completely go
off topic of what Matt Grove said today. Another note,
which is I don't know if you were in there
or not for this was, you know, what we've talked
about on the show, like all the guys whose contracts
are going to be up next to your own defense.
That question was asked, like, are you keeping that in
mind when you're thinking about this draft class? He's like, always,

(27:42):
of course, you have to keep in mind that, you know,
Duggar or Bryant whoever is going to end in twenty
twenty three or twenty four said you have to keep
that in min when you're drafting this year because you
don't want to have holes.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Right, So I'm.

Speaker 9 (27:53):
Wondering, you know that if that's going to shake up
everyone's mock drafts, that the next one.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
That you've got to have backup plays to your backup plan. Yeah, yeah, Chase.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Another one to like.

Speaker 9 (28:02):
It's like, okay, it would be great to get some
guys in here too, if you do get them in
the third or fourth round, that could come learn behind
these guys and then hopefully not be as referenced edge
as the following year if you don't, if you aren't
able to retain all those guys.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Ye. Speaking of retaining, they announced Miles Bryant.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Asually signed his tender, so he'll be around for another year,
just like Jacoby was last year.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
So all right, so now before we open up the
phones emails, I want to just you know, talk about
what happened in the NFL over the last few days.
Jalen hurts huge contract.

Speaker 9 (28:38):
Huge, but agent Nicolon shout out to her, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
That's great, good for her, you know, a black representative
of you know in the NFL. We need more of that.

Speaker 9 (28:52):
I also just love the story of how she's able
to represent him. She literally sent him a cold DM like, hey,
you an agent yet if not, would love to link
And then they connected and yeah, And it's like to think,
like how many times And I tell people like students
this all the time when they ask for advice and
sorry men who are listening to this, But I'm like,
think about how many times guys shoot their shot at you,
like over and over after you've already said no, like

(29:14):
continue to have that same energy. Just send the cold email,
send a cold DM like.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
How I got my job here? I sent him to
Jonathan Crawt.

Speaker 9 (29:22):
And so I love that her story just starts with that,
just like she really she didn't know him, She just
sent him a DM and the rest is history.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
She's going to have a lot more clients now.

Speaker 9 (29:30):
Yes. And then also this made me think like is
Lamar looking at this and thinking like, Okay, should I
surrender and get an agent because I could have gotten
a deal.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Like that done?

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (29:41):
Or am I going to continue to just let mom
be my agent? But it's like I wonder how much
sooner his deal would have been done if he had
someone like Nicole.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
I think it might have been a little sooner. Yeah,
I did see a rumor that the Ravens recently offered
him two hundred million guaranteed.

Speaker 9 (29:58):
Now, so, but and what's hurts guaranteed?

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Like one eighty something? Maybe I'm a little bit confused
and hurts his deal. I'm getting different numbers and what's
guaranteed and what's not and all that stuff. That's always
the case with these huge contracts.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Some people come out and highlight what they want to highlight, right, well,
but and then all of a sudden, well, actually it's
only a one year, but it's big, and I think.

Speaker 9 (30:20):
Is it bigger than Deshawn's.

Speaker 5 (30:23):
Well, I'm not sure in terms of the overall guarantee.
I think Deshaun's is more. But in real like real cash,
real cash or something like that, like he's number two
right now or something like that. It's confusing, but it's big.
It's big and good for him. There's a guy that like,
you know, just head down and just did what he had.

Speaker 9 (30:45):
To do, did what he had to do. His club
like sees the value in him and put the pieces
around him to make him successful.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
Yeah, and they saw it, and then they rewarded him.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
And they saw what they had in him, and they
let him loose last year and they went to the
Super Bowl as a result. You know, he was an
MVP candidate for sure last year. Uh So that was
it was big news. And then of course the trickle
down to Lamar. So now what happens with Lamar? You know,
does he look at that and say, Okay, you know,
I don't need necessarily need to break the bank, but

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if I come in around Jalen, then I'm okay. Or
does he say no, no, I've been around longer than him.
I should be making a lot more like the price.

Speaker 6 (31:22):
I just went, oh my god.

Speaker 9 (31:24):
I did think it was interesting in Obj's press conference
after he signed the other day that he someone asked
him like, are you signing here because you know that
you know, some inside scoop essentially on Lamar signing, And
He's like, well, no, I wouldn't say that. He's I'm
signing with the possibility of knowing that like he could
be playing here, And I'm.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Like, really, I think.

Speaker 9 (31:45):
Especially to be yeah, yeah, especially because Obj made it
clear I want to go somewhere where like good quarterback
that is like going to be contending for a title.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
So I mean, remember, like, even if he doesn't sign,
he's still got the tag and so he I don't
know what's that what's the tag forty million.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Or something like that somewhere around there.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
I mean, so yeah, he's not going to be missing
any meals even if he plays under the tag.

Speaker 6 (32:10):
So it's just funny how this is for him then.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
But now next his borough, we'll see what happens with him.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
It's I mean, it's it's like it's never going to
be perfectly ranked. Where you look at who are the
top five quarterbacks in the league this year and are
they one, two, three, four, five in salary? It's just
such a function of when you get to that point
and the team is like, right, we have to make
you the highest play.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Are you the best?

Speaker 9 (32:34):
Man?

Speaker 6 (32:35):
Maybe not?

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Now if I'm Kansas City, I go to my homes
and say, listen, we're gonna just give you an increase
just so you're up there with these guys, right, I would,
you know, just just to make sure that everybody knows that,
you know, we back our guy. He's you know, and
you don't have to deal with it later.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
I mean, but how do you tackle it, you know?

Speaker 3 (32:54):
And how do you manage it, especially when you have
I mean, I know that there's so much of Oh
Tom Brady took team home team discounts.

Speaker 6 (33:02):
He did not like, you know, no, I know that's
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
I know that that's just like a thing to say,
you know, but it's just he certainly at least seems
like somebody who the second someone else made more money
than him. He wasn't thrown.

Speaker 5 (33:13):
He was very flexible with his contract, and he allowed
the Patriots to restructure it every time. By the way,
every time they restructured it, he made more money up front,
of course, you know, yeah, so, but he allowed the
team to use his contract almost like a home mortgage
with equity, so like, oh we need some room. Okay,
well we'll just redo Tom's thing and that'll give us room.

(33:36):
So you know, in that way, he was very cooperative
with the team. But you know, people say, oh, you know,
he took this big discount. Not really, not really, but
I just.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Wonder, like, and I just using Hurts as the example,
because he was the latest of what you know is
in two years is he like, you know, this isn't
really a top five deal anymore, you.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Know, after gets paid well, that's why I'm saying Kansas
City should be proactive and just keep my homes at
the top of the heap y, you know.

Speaker 9 (34:02):
But I also think with Hurts in his style of play,
I mean, same with Lamar, there comes that risk of injury,
so you kind of have to see in two years
where is his body.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
That's a really that's a really good point.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
I mean I think that's a big part of what
you saw with a lot of like the Lamar speculation
was I mean agent stuff aside being you know, they
want to just do a two year deal or a
three year deal, just something quick, so like you know,
we can find out and then get out if you know,
you start to break down or this play isn't sustainable.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
Quarterbacks should want security, oh yeah, you know, so that's
where those that guarantee is huge. You know. So I
would say that right now Jalen has security. Oh yeah.

Speaker 9 (34:41):
And I think when it comes to Burrow though, I
think he's worth two hundred million guarantees.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
Absolutely, I mean definitely.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
You know.

Speaker 5 (34:49):
The other factor that teams, you know, play into this
is not just the performance in the field, but the
marketing impact. Oh yeah, you know, selling season tickets, and
there's other impact of having that player and that goes
into what their contract is.

Speaker 11 (35:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
It is funny with Burrow though he's he's there's something
special about that guy, yeah, because you bring him up
just like I mean even we were out at the
NFL when means you're talking to the girl from from
the Lions teep. You know, we're all just you know,
talking about quarterbacks and like Burrow comes up and everybody's
just like.

Speaker 9 (35:21):
You know, there's something about everything.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
He's got the total package.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
I mean, the two of you are too young. But
I mean when Joe Namath was in his heyday, he
was wearing the fur coats and you know he was
he had the swag and you know he'd be at
the pool side with like four women around him.

Speaker 9 (35:41):
He was the guy it was, you know, it was
it was over. Once Joe Burrow sat on the couch
with the cigar after he won the National championship. It
was done.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
And you'd hate a lot of people that did that.
Like a lot of people could pull that move and
you'd be like, oh, look at this guy. But there's
just he gets away with it.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
He looks like Macauley Coke.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
We never got into drugs like right, clean mcaulay Culker.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Would have looked like right.

Speaker 9 (36:03):
But I will say the one thing that I think
about with all these like major deals for quarterbacks is like,
for a team like the Bengals, how are you gonna
keep everybody? Because they have a lot of great pieces,
Like you obviously want to keep Burrow and Chase, But
how much is Chase gonna cost?

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, it's simple, really draft, Well, that's that. I mean,
that's that's it.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Draft so that when these guys leave, you got people
behind it.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Once you get into that tail spin of all right,
we missed on a couple of drafts. We were gonna
have to go into free agency and take take those risks.

Speaker 9 (36:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
It's I mean, I think anything you talk about with
the Patriots and their sustained excellence, I think you can
probably tie it to specific drafts that they were able
to hit in.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
You know, two thousand and ten.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Twenty twelve, those got star players to keep it going
and to rebuild it again. And you know, if that
had to hit on those drafts, it would have we
probably would be Tenure'd be twenty thirteen, and we'd be
sitting here doing the same exact thing where we don't
have a Gronk, we don't have an Edelman anymore. We
still were trying to Deon Branch and Randy Mawson wilst Welkern.
You know, it would be the same thing if they
didn't find those players.

Speaker 9 (37:04):
Well, Uston, I think that what you just described is
it being a hit that needs to be this season,
Like it needs to be like a hit, not just like, oh,
we're gonna be fine, but it needs to be like
a hit.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
Well it does, and more so because you don't have
the elite quarterback to cover up mistakes, you know, Burrow Mahomes,
you know, herm leeway for those all those guys, they're
going to keep winning as long as those guys are healthy.
You know, they may not be the dynasty the Patriots were,
but they will always be in contention with that elite quarterback,

(37:36):
I think, you know, and then how far you go
it gets into like how well do you draft? You know?

Speaker 3 (37:43):
But I think to me, Mahomes proved that it doesn't
really matter, you know, as long as they're I mean
to that, it's really gonna just come down to for them.
It's it's like what I felt like with with this
team in the mid twenty tens, was just are Brady
Gronkin Edelman healthy, because then I'll give them a chance
against absolutely anybody. And I feel similarly now with with Mahomes,
even if it's you know, just him, he's probably gonna

(38:04):
pull that team to at least a couple of AFC
Conference games, you know, when they have all their best
player got heard and you know he's kind of just
trying to cobble it together like Brady had to do
a couple of times. He's able to do that.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
Yep, all right? Eight five five PATS five hundred is
the ace ticking hot line web radio at Patriots dot com.
Is the email address? Is Paul coming?

Speaker 6 (38:23):
There's no, He's on vacation.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
Paul's where is he?

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Uh? I don't know. He drove there. It's in the South.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Oh yeah, like South Carolina or something like that. South Yeah,
Myrtle Beach, Myrtle Beach, that's is that where he is?

Speaker 3 (38:35):
I think that's the Perlos stopping grounds.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
And then Evan is is he writing?

Speaker 3 (38:38):
And Evan's gonna write something, then he should be down
I think for the second half. Second half?

Speaker 5 (38:42):
All right, Well, let's get to the phones. We don't
have to break for food or anything. Right, Paul's not here.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I just got to eat a banana.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
All right. Well, we'll take some calls. Let's go to
We'll start with David in New York. What's up, David?

Speaker 10 (38:57):
Hey, guys are going good. So I had an NFL
point first, and then I had a Patriots point to
tie it back in. So my first one about the
quarterback contract is I have this opinion, and I don't
like the narrative that just because your quarterback was the
highest paid quarterback five years ago, it means your contract,
his contract is the steel Now. I mean I came

(39:19):
up with the analogy just like a few minutes ago.
It's like bragging him out buying a big Mac for
a dollar in two thousand and seven, and now.

Speaker 12 (39:25):
It's worth four.

Speaker 10 (39:26):
It's like, no, that's what it was, that's what he
was worth.

Speaker 13 (39:28):
At the time.

Speaker 10 (39:29):
No, but but here's the contract to steel.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
But here's the thing. The reason why you can kind
of say that, though, is because the salary cap goes
up so much. You know, it all factors into the
salary cap. So you know, five years ago that was
a bigger percentage of Kansas City's overall salary cap. Now
it's a lot less because the salary cap keeps going

(39:53):
up so much, so in a way, it does become
a bargain after five years with the rate of the
salary cap going up. You know.

Speaker 10 (40:01):
Yeah, I'm mostly talking about like because I think if
you have the far and away best quarterback in the league,
doesn't really matter what you pay him. I'd give him
homes whatever he wants. But if you're talking like the
two to top ten range, like, I don't know, Like
it just doesn't seem like.

Speaker 11 (40:17):
It's much of a steal.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
It's still I mean, I think you just know it's
going to be the biggest, probably the biggest contract on
your team, and it is what it is. And how
you know if it's one percentage of.

Speaker 10 (40:27):
My Patriots point. I think that people are putting too
much emphasis on the flashy positions like the wide receiver,
the tight end, that sort of thing. And while I
think we still need a wide receiver one, I just
I don't I would like to see it, But at
the same time, I don't think it's a smart idea

(40:49):
to draft as they flowers at fourteen when there's a
Joey Porter Roderi Jones available.

Speaker 9 (40:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Yeah, I think a lot of people as well. Yeah,
a lot of people agree with you. Yeah, thanks David.
Speaking of wide receivers, I don't have my beast Dane
Brugler's beast, but I was going through the wide receivers
and there's a kid, I think late round from West Virginia.
I forget his name that I really like. Hmm, yeah,

(41:15):
I'll get that name. I put a sticky note there.
I'll look it up when I get it.

Speaker 9 (41:20):
I'm on the search.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, Virginia attackiack Virginia or West Virginia.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
I might have been West Virginia. That's right, you're Virginia Tech, right.

Speaker 9 (41:29):
West Virginia is one of our arrivals. Actually, hok, he's
not Mountaineers, I will say. On Peter Schregger's board up
there for wide receivers, they was like number six going
to like the Giants, which I really don't like that.
I don't know six overall, No, yeah, like six overall
going to the Why Well, I'm like.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
Yeah, he's there. I guess his thinking is we just
gave Daniel Jones a truckload of money. We got to
give him something.

Speaker 9 (41:56):
Is it Bryce Ford Wheaton? Is that his name?

Speaker 5 (41:59):
That might have been it?

Speaker 9 (42:00):
Yeah, yeah, from West Virginia.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Yeah, what is he? Like? Sixty three?

Speaker 9 (42:03):
He's an intriguing late round prospect.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
Yeah, okay, that's the guy. That's the guy. That's that's
the guy.

Speaker 9 (42:10):
You're right, six four twenty one pounds.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yeah, that's the guy. I had him a little less weight.

Speaker 9 (42:18):
But yeah, I mean yeah, that's probably like his pre pre.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yeah, one of the French gyms. But I'd take him late.
You know. Let's go to Todd in North Carolina. What's
up Todd?

Speaker 14 (42:35):
Hey, guys, I could listen to do some tomorrow all
the time. They need to do some sports audio books.

Speaker 12 (42:40):
I think that's right.

Speaker 13 (42:41):
Voices, Okay, all right.

Speaker 14 (42:44):
Good work, Fred, You got the right guys there. My
thing is I got two quick ones.

Speaker 11 (42:48):
Number one.

Speaker 12 (42:49):
How many people can.

Speaker 14 (42:50):
We protect on that practice squad? Because, like you said,
Judn't is getting older, some of these other guys getting older.
We might need to have some people there for future development.
I know you could protect like two last year was
it or is it three?

Speaker 11 (43:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
I thought there was a change a lot of people. Yeah,
there was for offensive lineman or I forget what it
was and they've made it easier. But there's like ten
people on the practice squad now, right right, more than
that markets. Yeah, so it's like, I don't know, protecting
him doesn't really bother me. You just bring other people in.

Speaker 14 (43:21):
Yeah, And the next thing is a quick question about
your old protege there Fred. Mister Hart actually came out
and said that he feels that Bill has has lost
a bit of his fastball with some of the things
he said and some of the stuff he's done and
some of the retractions he had to make. So I'll
take that answer off the air, but I'm really curious
to what you guys think about mister Hart.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Okay, thanks. I didn't hear the context in which he
said it, and so I'm only going with what Todd says.
I think Bill's in a different position. I think, you know, uh,
he hasn't been in the position you know for twenty
years while Brady was here, and so you know, he
he's forced to address things that he hasn't had to address,
and so we're seeing, you know, the twenty five year comment,

(44:06):
you know, which was way out of character. Even a
guy like Teddy Bruski came out and said that's not
something he I would ever think he would have said.
You know, so when Teddy says it, it's not just
us dummies, you know, raising our eyebrows.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
And he's had to come out a couple of times
and clarify, yeah, I'm meant which is you know?

Speaker 5 (44:25):
So I think it's the situation forces you know, different
questions and of course different answers. And you know, Bill,
Bill was never good, you know in terms of like
handling the media like he was good in deflecting them
and just basically putting his hand out and saying an

(44:45):
I'm I'm not answering, you know, but now it's tougher
because you're not winning. When you're winning, you can do that.
But when you're not winning, now you you know, it
does it's not a good look to refuse to answer.
So it's a it's a new situation and we're seeing
new answers.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
I think that's something that's kind of underrated but really
obvious of just how hard it is when you're not
doing well as a sports team and just everything gets
drummed up to a bigger level, and you know, it's
it's also just that last year was a mistake, and
I mean, I don't think there's any other way to
cut it than you know, it was a mistake the
way that that year was handled offensively, and I think

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we're still kind of waiting to see how that accountability
comes forward, and you know, do we see it when
we get out there on the field and feel like, well,
things have been rectified. You're never going to pin him down.
But it's just a lot harder when things aren't going
great and you can't just say, well, look, we're winning games.
So I don't know what you guys are complaining about now.
It's there's nothing to go to and people are right, yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
So I mean different circumstances, you know, reveal different things.
And so we're seeing a side of you know, Bill
Belichick that we haven't seen. Now you go back to Cleveland.
A lot of a lot of what happened there can be,
you know, accountable to the fact that he wasn't experienced
as a head coach. He had never done it before.

(46:10):
But I mean he had a real tough time with
the media back then. He got really surly with them.
You know, there's a couple of comments I won't repeat
here that you know, where he famously said and they
just weren't winning, you know. Plus he had a little
bit of a quarterback controversy back then, so you would

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think that he had learned a lot since then. But
you know, with when it's hard, like I don't want
to be a psychiatrist, but when you are as smart
as Bill Belichick is, and he is smart, like he
could be the CEO of any company in any you know, genre,
because he's that smart, he would just learn it. Like,

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he doesn't have patience with us folk. He doesn't, you know,
and that's that's not a good thing. That's not an attribute.
I'm not saying that that's something he should be lauded over.
It's it is one of his faults. It's one of
his weaknesses. He just doesn't have patience with people because
he is smarter than most people. And that's just a fact,

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that's not just him thinking it.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
He is certainly with football especially. But I have a
question for the group would be what do you think
was the average length of regime of the Dolphins, Bills,
Jets during the twenty years of the Patriots runs?

Speaker 6 (47:31):
You know, how many times did they all?

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Right, we got a new quarterback, we got a new coach,
we drafted a first round quarterback.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
We feel really good about this.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
We got hammered six or eight straight times by the Patriots,
and now we're gonna blow it up, you know, because
that's somewhat to what the Patriots are right now. So
you know, I mean, it's it's hard to try to
stay the course with those kind of you know things,
and I mean just bills. I mean they're just going
to quarterback names, coaches names, going through my head of
how hard it is to you know, maintain your belief

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and a head coach and a quarterback and a whole structure.
When all right, we're in your three. Now we're in
your four. We're still losing to the Patriots. You know,
now it's time to blow it up. It's you see
what they're up against, and it's it's a rising tide
until they you know, get back to that point where
you feel like, all right, now we're really in that conversation.
But we know some of those teams never got there.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
No, you're in you're always in that catch up mode.
And having you know, back then, having Belichick and Brady
in your division forces you to make decisions that you
wouldn't otherwise make. It makes you become impatient. Your fans
are impatient, ownership's impatient, your sponsors are impatient because there's
you know, like it's like this constant pressure to get better,

(48:40):
and like you said, you make you make, you make
decisions that you know, the Patriots didn't have to make,
whether it's coaching or you know, players, and it's it's
it's tough, and you get into this vicious cycle of
just churn.

Speaker 9 (48:56):
I feel like the teams that have made it out
of that cycle and they're actually doing well took risks,
big risks that ended up, you know, benefiting them. Look
at the Bills, I mean, and I'm scared to say,
look at the Jets. Maybe maybe in due time. Look
at the Jets.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
When you talk about risks, Sean McVay, young guy Rams,
you know, you could consider that at risk and it
paid off for them, you know.

Speaker 9 (49:18):
And I think even like some of the players that
they're paying money for or like trading for, I think
that the Patriots, unfortunately they are gonna have to start
doing that. They have to look at it and be like, okay,
we can't we can't rest in our morals like we
have to do something differently to get back to where
we used to be, and I think that starts with
taking risks and paying people, trading for people, and not

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just sitting back. I mean, I know, like we're saying
the draft is huge, but I still think we shouldn't
miss out on those opportunities to take risks when they
are available.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
I like the taking risklings.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I mean I also say teams that stink and then
hit on their high round draft, you know, so like
the Bengals, you know, so like I give, I totally
think the Bills are a good example of your point,
where you know, Josh Allen had some wartz and they
and you know, they had to have some kind of
projection of what he was going to be. Where's a
team like the Bengals, They just they stunk, but they

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made those picks.

Speaker 6 (50:11):
And I think that's what's hard for the Patriots is
that are they.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Ever gonna stink bad enough to get those top ten
picks to really get those impact players, because if they don't,
to your point, they've got to be a little risky.
They've got to be smart. They've got to figure out
exactly what they need and be targeted with what they
ends a little bit of what you heard from Grow.
We'll see if they actually do it.

Speaker 9 (50:29):
And I like what he said today that he said
he is a veil. They know what they need to do.
If they do need to trade up or trade back,
they said they have looked at those So I thought
that that was interesting, and I would be interested to
see them trade up and go get someone they really
want if he's there, like say if a handed hooker
or somebody comes out of nowhere and pushes somebody back
that they want. But they're like two spots up and

(50:50):
you need to go get them, Go get them, Like
if you think he's going to be that difference maker
right now, Yeah, and you don't want to miss out
on them, go get them.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Grow mention the word conviction. Yeah, if you have the
conviction and the consensus. He said, it's great when there's
consensus on a guy, you know, then go get them,
Go get them.

Speaker 9 (51:08):
Don't wait to hope that he's going to get their fourteen.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Go get him, Go get them.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
I don't I don't know who else I would trade
up for. To be honest, I like I would trade
out for Gonzales. I think you know, he's just an
all around, do everything, plug him in day one outside
cornerback kind of a guy. But otherwise it's it's hard
to really for me to say, I'm not going to
really probably trade up for any of the receivers. I
think some of the I mean, you can make a
case if you love Paris Johnson that he is just

(51:32):
a you know, a prototypical left tackle type, and there's
a reason too. But he's also you know, inexperience, So
there's some questions that I think people would say, oh,
I'm alright, waiting a little bit. I'm going to get
another tackle that you know has similar kind of developmental questions.
So I don't know that would be my question, A
big good one for Evan maybe when he comes down
of just you know, what players do you think are
really worth it to trade up? And I mean worth

(51:54):
it because I think the Patriots have some holes and
I think they have a number of things they need
to fill on day two. It's hard to say, are
we going to package forty six and fourteen to go
up to ten or twelve or something like that. You know,
It's just I don't like anybody that much to have
those two picks. I'd rather trade down and try to
get multiple picks there in D.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Two Williams and Philim. What's up William william Hey?

Speaker 11 (52:20):
How you doing there?

Speaker 5 (52:21):
You are? There?

Speaker 9 (52:22):
Is?

Speaker 11 (52:22):
Sorry, but I'm sorry about that. I had it on
and what not. Sorry. I just want to I want
to start first. I called last week and I was
kind of a little bit harsh, you know, saying I
hate Bill Belichick. It's just that he pissed me off
for it. I don't hate him because I wasn't. I
wasn't raised to hate anybody, you know what I mean.
I disliked what he did. Yeah, but I don't hate

(52:44):
Bill Belichick. They's just just the moves and things that
he do sometimes just hurts me. So I just wanted
to just give to give a scenario, just to piggybank
off of what Mike said. Mike's said, well, you know
about giving up draft capital that we'll get this player.
If you once that player might guess what it's going
to be. So just give you a scenario real fast.

(53:05):
If if the Patriots wanted uh JSN Paris Paris Johnson,
Christian Gonzales or even Devon web Wetherspoon, You're gonna have
to give up the safe state. You want to trade
with the Philadelphi Eagles, Okay, be able to you know,
to get the number ten, I give us the first
a third and maybe even first third and maybe even

(53:25):
a fourth. Is it worth it? Yeah? Yeah, out of
those names, take the best pit. I mean, you can't
lose on even one of them.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Well, I mean, but I think you named four guys.
I mean, I think one of those four probably be
there at fourteen. You know, if you if you're talking
about all four of those guys are there at twelve.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
You know, I'd be okay waiting, I don't.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
I don't see, like, I don't think JSN is worth
the whole draft to you know, to do I just
I maybe could make a case for Gonzales. But he's
not Garrett Wilson. To me, he's not Chris Olave.

Speaker 11 (53:55):
You don't you wait wait wait wait a minute, okay,
wait a minute, I got to get some question, have you. Okay,
he's the he's clearly probably the best out of all them,
of the next to Zay Flowers too basically out. But
I mean, I'm just saying, well, okay, let's just scoot
him out le's scoot the wide receivers out because we
know the wide receiver clans ain't really that great though,

(54:18):
not like last year is basically. But I'm saying for
Paris Johnson though, because you got Tennessee, Texas and the
Jets they're going to take him, You've got to jump
in front of three of them. They get either him
Christian or Christian guns out. How about that? Is that fair?

Speaker 5 (54:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yeah, no, And I think that's totally, you know, worth
worth a conversation and consideration for sure. I mean, I
think those are two big important positions in need that
I think if you trade up to get those guys,
you're probably plugging them in for five years and they're
going to be really good players for you.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
So yeah, I mean I'm with you on those ones.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
I just but after those two guys, that's where I
start to get a little bit like, well, who you know,
like unless maybe you want to talk quarterbacks.

Speaker 11 (54:56):
But I'm with you all the way. Well, thank y'all,
and y'all take here.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
Okay, all right, thanks William, appreciate it, all right? Just Marker, Yeah,
I didn't want to get it all over my fingers.
Noah's in Toronto. What's up, Noah.

Speaker 15 (55:16):
I just want a quick question about Marcus Jones. Obviously,
he made you know, a lot of splash plays as
a return around a gadget offense player last year, but
I feel like I don't really know how well he
did as a corner, which is where his value should
be really coming front. So you know, I forget how
well did he do as a corner last year? And
what do you guys see his role being on defense

(55:38):
this year?

Speaker 5 (55:39):
Thanks Noah. I think there were certain situations last year
where he was playing his true position in inside corner
on some quick guys where he really did help out. Yes,
you know, he really did help out. He did his job,
you know, didn't come away with a lot of interceptions
or anything, but really, you know, kept up with players,
and you know, I think there were some injuries at

(56:01):
cornerback and it forced a lot of guys to play
positions that they really weren't suited for. But I think
if you keep him in a certain role at cornerback,
he's going to be fine. Yeah, but then when when
you add the returnability and the gadget offensive ability, this
is a Swiss Army knife guy, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
I think he's got to be inside. I mean, I forgot,
I'm forgetting what game Paula remember, but there was one game,
what near the end where he was playing on the
outside for Mills and yeah, you know, it's right with
the guy, but just doesn't have quite the height to compete.
I mean, I think it's one of the things that
nobody talks about as much is coming out. He's just
outstanding at playing man coverage and sticking with guys, and

(56:40):
I think we saw some glimpses of it last year,
but I think, you know, to the point of like
a Christian Gonzales, where hey, let's get the outside lockdown
with you know, maybe a top round rookie pick and
Jonathan Jones, and you know, then you have the ability
to really put Marcus Jones in positions to do what
he does best, which is, you know, put him against
these little guys and have him stick. I think if

(57:02):
he's able to play in that role, I think he
could be one of the best slot corners in the
league just because of how athletic he is. I think
that the sky is the limit for this kid as
far as what he can do and the excitement he
can just bring to this team. I think that they need,
you know, a marketable kind of you know guy who's
I mean, we had him on the Draft show. He's
just you know, great kid, really likable. I know he's

(57:24):
into music too, and you know, just everything he says,
he just he seems like he goes about everything.

Speaker 9 (57:29):
Right.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
I don't think he's ever going to be an all
pro corner, but he's going to be a great scheme corner.
Where like you're playing Miami and you got to do
something with Tyreek Hill and so the plan is, you know,
it's Marcus Jones off the line, but he's got help. Yeah,
you know, so it's kind of that man's zone type
of hybrid and you know he's going to be with him.

(57:50):
So even if the catch is made, there's not going
to be a lot of yards after catch.

Speaker 14 (57:54):
You know.

Speaker 9 (57:55):
Were you in the room with Brian Belichick today when
they were asking about filling the void? Yeah of Devin, Yeah, yep,
an easy way yeah yeah. And that's why I'm thinking
fourteen could be a corner, I mean, or just just
to I don't know, I'm just so torn about missing
Devon and not having him there and just I just

(58:17):
don't want them to like fall short in that area
just because they think that they have Like some guys
like you know, Jalen can play two positions, so the
guys like that who they're like, oh, we'll be fine,
like just with a mixture of those of a couple
of those guys. But he's multiple to fill his role.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
It's just as hard to see. I mean, I can
see them taking a corner, but I don't know how
much that really affects replacing Devon. And I think it's
gonna be some combination. I mean, he was specifically asked
about Mills, you know, comments that he's played safety before,
and you know, it's and it's like when I talk
to pel Green, I'm like, you know, and he's technically
the cornerbacks coach. I'm like, you lost Devin out of
your room. Because they just they all work together, they

(58:52):
all consider themselves well. I think it's gonna be some
kind of combination of everybody chipping in. I just it's
I have a hard time seeing if it wasn't a
free agent like a Jesse Bates, someone who's very established
and knows what he's doing. It's hard to see them
drafting one of these rookies and being like, all right,
you got it. You're on the back end of our defense.

Speaker 6 (59:10):
Don't get beat deep.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
But I will say you look at the twenty twelve
season before Devin really moved to this safety role full time,
and they were repeatedly torched deep, especially against Seattle. Remember
a couple of those with Tamon Wilson, you know, where
they were trying to play strong safety types as free safeties.
They just didn't have the instincts and the big plays
just killed them that year. That's something that we know

(59:35):
it can't happen with the offenses that they faced weekly.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Now, my god, Patty's an Agua. What's up? Patty?

Speaker 12 (59:42):
Hey doing great on vacation with my twins who are
up from school this week.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Nice?

Speaker 13 (59:47):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
What are you guys doing.

Speaker 12 (59:50):
We're just chilling. You know, we're gonna we'll probably hit
like a trampoline park later this week. We're going to
go to the library today.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
Okay, great, what's the question?

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
A vacation? I thought we were somewhere fun.

Speaker 12 (01:00:02):
Now it's staycation. So I had a question regarding josh
Ucha and do you guys see a situation where they
possibly they lock him up long term because I know, Deuce,
you've said it before. I mean this this whole like
searching outside when we're not re signing our good own,

(01:00:23):
homegrown talent. And I could see, like Josh, he looks
like at least the last couple of years sort of
like Tetrid Twise was like, like, he's sort of on
an upward trajectory. And you know, if you're gonna lose
Matt Judahon in a year or two, like if they
do the same thing they did with Steph Gilmore and
cut Ties a year early, wouldn't it make sense to

(01:00:43):
like lock this guy long term, especially if he's going upwards.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
It's certainly what Use showed last year was really hopeful.
But to me it was just one year. I don't
know where the second year comes in, but he had
a good year last year. I'm intrigued, you know. I
I'd be willing to sit down with him right now
and talk about an extension, but I'm not emptying the

(01:01:08):
brinks truck for him yet. You know, he hasn't shown
to me to be consistently elite outside now. Again, it
depends on what he's looking for. You know, if he
and his agent are willing to, you know, be reasonable
about it. I I I would look to lock him up,
but I'm not gonna pay him elite edge money yet.

(01:01:30):
You know, let's see what he does this year.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
A lot of unpacked there. I mean, I think just
worth like thirty percent snap players. I mean, he's he's
basically a one down player. He was in his third year.
So you know, you always hear them say the more
you can do versatility. I mean, he's not a versatile guy.
He's a one trick pony. He does one thing pretty
good and you know, certainly had a breakout year last year.
But it's just hard hard to say, are they gonna,

(01:01:55):
you know, pay him for all those sacks?

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
Like I you know, it's such a buyer beware situation.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
I compare to Mark Anderson when him Andrew Carter were
here in twenty eleven, and Andrew Carter got hurt. Mark
Anderson I think had ten sacks and went and got
paid by Buffalo, and you know it wasn't really that guy.
I mean, it's such a favorable situation for josh Ucha
where it's basically like, all right, go out there, go
get the quarterback, and there's not a lot for him
to do. And I know over the years we've seen him,
you know, work inside a little bit. They've tried to

(01:02:20):
kind of figure out what he can do.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
But I just I think in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
The long term you have to find you know, if
you could combine him with Jennings, you probably have a
pretty you know, the all around guy.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
But well, you met both just kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
Thirty percent snaps last year, right, I'd say that he
did a pretty good job maximizing while he was absolutely
but to me, that commands a certain amount of money,
Like he's not an every down player, you know, so
it just depends on what his expectations are. But I
think there there's a need for that guy. There's a

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need for that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
That's totally the point I was just about to make,
like like, it's not you. I don't want it to
sound like he's nothing. Like it's a passing league and
if you don't have guys that can get out there
and get after the quarterback, and certainly he has the
kind of athleticism to stick with some of these athletic quarterbacks.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
But you're just you're paying this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
For one down, and I mean, we know around here
they want four down guys they want, you know, or
at least the potential that they might develop.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Now, I thought, yeah, you're paying him for one situation,
which is.

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
An important situation to get off that field.

Speaker 5 (01:03:22):
Yeah. Yeah, But I'd also say.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
It, and I made this point plenty of times this offseason,
for all the sacks that they produced last year, I mean,
they were in the bottom half of the league on
third down defense, So you know, it's yeah, they're productive
in sacks, but it's more than sacks about getting off
the field and you know, being able to especially against
the good teams.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
I just one more point to make on it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
I thought, I mean, I think that Tutrick wise Things
is a good comp that he brought up. They have
different players, but I think Dietrich Wise was kind of
more of a pass rusher early in his career, and
you know when you saw him that the game against
Tennessee comes to mind, the playoffs in twenty nineteen, when
you know he just wasn't a run stopper. I mean,
he's got good length, but he just kind of get
pushed around. And I thought last year his technique kind

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of took a sudden surge.

Speaker 6 (01:04:01):
Now, could that happen with.

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
I faded a little down the stretch though. Wise, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Don't know if it's gonna happen with ch just because
I don't think really has the size to play in
this defense consistently first second down. It's just it is
what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
Eldred in North Carolina, Hey, Aldred.

Speaker 13 (01:04:16):
Hey Fred, heighty tomorrow. How y'all doing good?

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:04:22):
Pretty good too? I heard the first part of the show.
I loved where you tomorrow was talking and Fred. But
I'm I'm hoping that we do trade up and Mike
with you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
Man.

Speaker 13 (01:04:35):
I don't want to go over and get right now.
It's Gonzales seeven Goma wide receiver guy, but we need
that corner. And I don't care what nobody said last
year draft, I still stay with the f you got
Marcus Jones, But like I said last year, he's too short.
He can't run against through A big guy with speed
and a quarterback is accurate. We've seen that last year.
Us a good Meals and us a good Jones. So

(01:04:57):
you're gonna need somebody on the outside. We had a
chance to get one left last year, but we got strange.
And what bothered me, it's the same guy doing the picket.
I know everybody talked that last year to talk to
this year, but the same guys doing the picket. Yeah,
and that's what I can't get really get paid.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
I mean, I just wonder I would love to know
exactly what went on with that cold, strange picka.

Speaker 16 (01:05:20):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:05:21):
Yeah, it's like to me, it means nothing to lean
on the guys like Bill O'Brien or you know, anyone
else that they're tapping into to get insight. You know,
he grow gave a lot of credit to his assistance
for all the work that they do on character and
things that we don't know about when we're scouting. But
it's like, how much of that are you actually listening
to and how much of it is Bill? Just like,

(01:05:41):
I really don't care if this is.

Speaker 13 (01:05:43):
What I want, Yeah, that's what I'm thinking and do
so question. I know, I've been talking a lot about
Quintin Johnson and I like that guy from Texas, but
nobody's talking about Jalen Hyatt, Wow, from Tennessee.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
I mean, I mean I've seen him, I've seen him
ranked as the top receiver in some of these classes,
you know, I think, I mean and I know, you know,
Evan's got a whole thing on him of of you know,
largely being schemed open. I mean, I think Tilman. I
liked Tillman better a little bit with his previous year
from what I saw him. But I mean, fast, tall
slot guy, you know. I mean that's I think what
he's what he's going to be. I've kind of shied

(01:06:23):
away from those guys just because I think they've got
like I just you can't run four verts every single down, like,
and it feels like that's kind of what they have
right now.

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
But I think he's one of those players.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Though that could suddenly just pop up and be the
top receiver taken or you know, second in that first round,
even though nobody's really talking about him. I think he's right.

Speaker 13 (01:06:42):
No, but I've seen a bunch of people taking him.
Uh let's see. I think Ken State was one of them.
And I know Buffalo is. They keep saying Buffalo is
going after my guy, Quinn Johnson, and I'm like, well,
if he team up with Diggs, I don't gonna hate
to see that because they're like DK Mitya, I know
you ain't a fast the MADCAF, but like I said,
you don't get open eat not a run route, But.

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
All right, thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:07:10):
I like that question just because, And I think someone
may have asked about what the process is like, because
it's like when you ask a friend like for outfit advice,
and in your head you know what what you're gonna take,
but you're just like, okay, let me, let me just
ask and they and they're they're like, thank you for advice.
I'm gonna wear this anyway. I just hope it's not
like that. I hope it's more of like a consensus,

(01:07:32):
like you said, Fred, I think I really hope that
it's like we put all of our research and resources in,
we listen, and we actually make the best decision based
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Our lads have mac herron. They don't do the proper
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Speaker 21 (01:14:12):
I like how Paul says our lads, what is it called?
It's called our lads, not our lads. I thought it
was our lads, our hour. You are our Oh you are?

Speaker 5 (01:14:27):
Oh you are? Is one syllooned owned. No, it's our No,
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Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
It's our lads. How do you say are correct? How
do you say a R? E? Are?

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Not?

Speaker 13 (01:14:47):
You say are?

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
It's the same you are?

Speaker 22 (01:14:50):
No, it's not you are, it's not ours. Looking up
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is not too syllables R and R.

Speaker 6 (01:15:01):
They're not the same thing, R.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Pronounced R. It's not our. My god, that's another great
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left us, Evan has joined us, and Evan I have
a Jersey Mike story for you. Oh yeah, listen, I

(01:15:24):
was at home. I had to work from home yesterday
because I hit a curb on Friday blew out a tire.
They couldn't.

Speaker 6 (01:15:31):
I thought you had self ceiling tires.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
Well that's how I got home. Oh, had I not
had the run flat tires, I would have been stranded.
But I got home. But they couldn't get the new
tires till yesterday. So I was working from home. I
didn't have a car. So figure, you know, I'm gonna
use one of these services and I'm going to order
a sub from Jersey Mikes. So I ordered. Yeah, So
I ordered, you know thirteen, which is the Italian Mike's

(01:15:55):
Way with a bag of chips between the delivery trucks.
I paid thirty seven dollars for sub.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
It was ridiculous. The delivery services is how they get you. Yeah,
careful with that.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
Thirty seven bucks for a number thirteen sub and a
bag of chips. It's not like Uber eats or what
it was Uber eats, right, yeah, you know, dude, you
know what. It is one of those kind of I
just get my car and drive. I mean what, Yeah,
I didn't have a ky dad.

Speaker 13 (01:16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
I got a twenty five dollars gift card for one
of my kids to Jersey Mikes for my birthday and
they send you a free sub, free points if you're
on there, if you're on the rewards thing.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
So so I got I got the most expensive sub
I've ever bought. It was so good.

Speaker 6 (01:16:36):
Did you did you have a pause for a second
before you hit like okay?

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
No, I mean I was. I was just said, like,
what else am I going to do? You know? So
I just sucked it up. But it was good. It's
it works good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Thirty thirty seven dollars. You should have just upgraded and
gotten like the Jumbo, because if you're gonna like then
you would have spent like an extra three bucks.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
It would have been forty.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
But she would have had ten SHUBs, you know, two meals, right, Yeah,
I get the regular size, which is pretty big.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
I think it's me and Paul have this discussion a lot.
It's just it's a little too small, but the jumbo
is a little too big. You need like a middle size.
We talked about what if we got a job. Yeah,
he's pretty big, man. They stuff it. It's not like
you know, it's it's big. Sometimes when I'm kind of hungry,
like I could do a mini and that's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
Really, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Did a many a couple of weeks ago because we
were going to my parents' house for dinner and it
was kind of in between lunch and dinner. So I
just was like, all right, I'll just get a mini
and then that'll hold me over until dinner, and it
worked out perfectly.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
Yeah, all right, that was my Jersey mic story. But Evan,
more importantly, you were also at the availability today, were
you with O'Brien? Yes, And so what were your highlights?

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Well, I think you know, I was talking upstairs about
that scene in Iron Man three at the end where
he initiates clean Slate protocol and all the iron Men
blow up across the board. That's a little how it
felt today with Bill O'Brien. He must have said clean
slate ten times. And I think that's really the motto
of the offense this spring and summer is that last

(01:18:11):
year was last year. Whatever happened last year is a relevant,
new coach, new offensive coordinator, really irrelevant to anything to
Bill O'Brien's knowledge, and we're moving forward. It's a clean slate.
And I think that trickled on up and down from
the quarterback to pretty much everybody else on the roster.
So from that perspective, I felt like it was a

(01:18:34):
good thing that that's the way that he was speaking
now as I normally do, try to ask him some
ex's and o's questions, and I think he told Tom
Kerrn that it would be crazy of him to tell
us what they're going to do offensively from a schematic perspective,
So he played that close to the vest. But I
think in general, the general sentiment was we're moving forward,

(01:18:56):
we're not looking in the rearview mirror, and everybody's got
a clean slate, and from now on is when you
start to make an impression on Bill O'Briant.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Okay, I mean that makes sense. Will you at all
surprised that grod Mayo was on a riser, you know,
talking on behalf of the defense?

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
Yes, and no. I feel like the thing that's tricky
about girod Mayo is that he dances around. And I'm
not saying it as a negative, but it's just a
fact he dances around. The questions about his role and
what exactly do you do around here? And what is
your title? He doesn't want to address those things. And

(01:19:38):
somebody asked him about mister Kraft basically saying that he'd
be happy for him to be the heir apparent to
Bill Belichick, and he essentially no commented that question. He
was like, that's a tricky, tricky one for me to answer,
so I'm not gonna touch it. And he doesn't. It
seems like he is comfortable with his role and what

(01:20:01):
the plan is. That was what he talked about, was
the plan that they have put in place for him
to grow as a coach, to eventually get to the
point where he's a head coach. And the only other
thing I took away from what he said is I
think part of him feels like he's not ready to
be a head coach in terms of his knowledge of
everything that goes on with an organization. So he actually

(01:20:23):
said that he's going to be around for a couple
of years, not just this season, but said a couple
of years. And I think that the general consensus was
that he's playing the long game here, not necessarily about Bill,
but more so about learning the ropes and learning the
trade and not jumping into a head coaching opportunity too
soon without having that background.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
Well that see, that makes it even more curious to
me that he's there talking on behalf of the defense.
You would. I thought that he might not even talk today,
and then that Steve Belichick might be sort of the
guy talking, you know, overall defense, you know, because because
Gerard Mayo was going to be more in that kind

(01:21:06):
of upper role where he's kind of floating around and
learning what it really means to be a head coach.
So I don't know, I'm confused a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
I mean, I think I think Joe Judge is kind
of doing that. Like I mean, I think Joe Judge
is going to be the is going to be the
the ernie, you know, I mean, and I think that's
something that they might have missed last year is having
that Matty p did it, And I know it's different,
but I you know, I think as much talking as
assistant head coach and those kind of titles and stuff.
I think the concilierre, the guy in Bill's ear, I

(01:21:37):
think will be Joe Judge. I'm wondering if that was
a purposeful thing that, hey, we missed this element last year.
We all know about some of the miscommunication, pre snap penalties,
those kind of things that you know sometimes come from
not all being on the same page. So maybe that's
part of it too.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
Yeah, But I mean if you're like, if you're in
charge of the defense, then that's where your focus needs
to be, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Would you say, though, I mean I kind of feel
like Girod Maybe he's not in charge of the defense,
but I feel like he's kind of the emotional leader
of the defense, like.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
You know, like that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
That's always how the way I've always looked at it
with the defense was that Gerard was the face of
the defensive coaching staff and Steve was the play caller.
So Gerrod is the guy, but.

Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
Who's who is formulating the defense?

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
I think that's a collaborative thing I really do. And
I would also, you don't form a defensive game plan
on Bill Belichick's staff without Bill Belichick being in the room, right,
I mean, why would you do that? So I think
that ultimately it's Bill's defense. But I think Girod Mayo
is the one that you consistently hear about presenting game

(01:22:43):
plans to the players, breaking down film in front of
the room, and really being the voice of the defense,
where Steve is more of the guy behind the scenes
that's maybe has a headset on game days in the playsheet,
but is not necessarily out front and center in those
eating rooms as much as Gerrod Mayo is. So when
it comes to who's making the game plan, I think

(01:23:05):
that that's collaborative. When you get to Sunday's Steve is
calling the places, Gerrod said it. He said, Steve's been
calling the play since twenty nineteen. Oh really, Oh yeah,
came out and we finally found out. So that was acknowledged,
not that it hasn't been acknowledged in the past, but
Garrod came out and said that, and he said he's
fine with it, that he doesn't that that's not something

(01:23:26):
that he's worried about or upset about, or even spending
too much time thinking about that Steve is calling the
plays and he's not. So in a lot of ways,
it feels kind of like a head coach coordinator hierarchy,
but just only on the defensive side of the ball,
where Gerard is handling a lot of the big picture
organizational type stuff and presenting and things like that, and

(01:23:49):
Steve's the one that's actually doing the play calling on
game day.

Speaker 5 (01:23:53):
Yeah, okay, I thought I thought there was a chance
this year that Steve would become the defensive Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:24:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
It's a tricky thing to do because he is your
son at the end of the night.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
The visual of it, but I think, yeah, I think
he's probably pretty good. I mean, yeah, you know, I
I think I think he could do it.

Speaker 6 (01:24:14):
You know, he looks, he looks the part, you know,
I like, I know, he looks.

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
You know, with the tongue and all that that meme
got out there and all that. But I think he's
I think he's got the chops to be a DC,
you know, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
Of course, I mean I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
I mean I kind of like the stupid look like,
I mean, I don't it's just it's always like like
Rob Ryan, like, there's always those defensive coordinators.

Speaker 6 (01:24:36):
Who you know, they they look like they're there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
I think on that side of the ball. Offensively, there
it's most most of the time about creativity and being
that kind of maestro, that chess master. Defensively, I think
you got to have some khons because you there's gonna
be times or you're going up against Josh Allen and
if you're just gonna sit and soft zone the entire game,
he's gonna rip you apart. But every once in a while,

(01:25:00):
you got to come after him and really start to
spin the dial a little bit. And I think they've
done that. The one thing I would say about Steve's
play calling is sometimes I feel like, especially in matchups
against Alan recently, that he's just trying to throw every
single call in the Rolodex at him, where maybe it's

(01:25:21):
best to just kind of sit in a couple of
different things that Alan has trouble with instead of just
trying to hit him with volume, because I think at
the end of the day, with a quarterback like that
or a quarterback like Mahomes, they can create so much
on those second reaction plays, on those extended plays that
you can spend the dial on them all you want,

(01:25:41):
but if he just doesn't understand what he's looking at,
he's just gonna hold the ball and then just wait
for it to break down and then play playground football.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
On kind of what they did to Brady two in
twenty one, like just just like a Pote Perrie coverages.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
And Yeah, I just would sometimes I would like to
see them really feel drown conviction about a specific game
plan and a way to approach a certain quarterback and
then just stick with it a little bit more. I
think sometimes they get into their own heads of we
will if we just sit in one thing, that this
quarterback is going to pick us apart.

Speaker 9 (01:26:15):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:26:15):
I think part of that is, you know, they have
confidence their players, but they know that their players, there's
no one on our defense that's that good that another
team can't exploit. So they're trying to we can't just
line up trying to avoid another team from identifying we
got this guy or we got that guy, and they're
trying to hide their weaknesses.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
Yeah, I think it's it's two full because on one hand,
I think that sometimes they overcomplicate things for themselves, but
on the other hand, I'd be hard pressed to find
a playbook that's as diverse as the Patriots defensive calls.
I mean they they call everything in anything under the
sun that they think might work, whether it's blitz Man's
zone whatever. Like, they have literally every single thing at

(01:26:59):
their fingertips to try to pull something out of the
hat if they have to. So it's always great to
watch their defense because every week, every down is something different.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
Web radio at Patriots dot com as the email address
Scott and Virginia writes it in. I thought an interesting
comment from Matt grow was what he said about receivers
being taken early. Specifically, all it takes is one to
be taken in the first round, and then another and
then another. To me, it sounds like in this draft
it's best to be the first team to take a
receiver to be sure you get your guy, because after

(01:27:30):
that it's gonna be hard to read the board since
a run on receivers will most likely occur.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Yeah, I mean, I just think it's like that with
any position. I mean, it's gonna be like that with tackle,
it's gonna be like that with cornerback too.

Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
I just the receivers.

Speaker 5 (01:27:44):
I think Corner will be the first run. That's my prediction.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
I would just draw the line with this receiver class though, Like,
you know, if somebody takes one at nine, does that
mean you got to trade up to ten because you
love JSN or you love Zay Flowers, Like.

Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
I don't know. I think that they're in a pret
good place to see how it kind of falls.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
But it was a call we got earlier. Evan was
just about you know, who would you trade up for?
And I'm like, nobody got maybe, and that's kind of it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:12):
And otherwise something that's not it is going to be
put down.

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
It is not a trade up draft to me, because
this is a draft that is really deep in certain
positions from like ten through seventy five. But there's not
a there's no other than maybe the quarterbacks, and I
guess like Jalen Carter and Will Anderson. I don't think
that there's any guys on here that project as future

(01:28:37):
potential Hall of Fame type of guys.

Speaker 13 (01:28:39):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
I know that's easier said than done to predict those
types of things, but I just don't look at this
draft as very top heavy, I guess. And the receiver
position is definitely part of that conversation where the receiver
class is really more in that twenty to forty range
that all these receivers I think are going to go
at the top of the board as and there's really

(01:29:01):
nobody there to take at at five or ten or
anything like that. So I don't look at this draft
as a very good trade up draft. This to me
is a classic Belichick trade down draft and accumulate more
picks because there is that maybe not elite elite talent,
but there's a lot of good players in this draft
that maybe if you cast a wider net, but I

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wouldn't say this is a big trade up draft.

Speaker 5 (01:29:24):
Tim Wrights in. First, I want to congratulate both Evan
and Mike on their draft big boards and the very
comprehensive draft prospect guide. They are very easy to understand
and will be my guides on draft night. Thank you.
I know what, Evan, You've got your draft guy that
you can download now.

Speaker 6 (01:29:41):
You should download that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
I don't know why you're giving that away. Why are
you just giving that to people? What do you mean
everybody else? Like you have to pay and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
You know, that's your job.

Speaker 5 (01:29:49):
I just do the words. Get their name, you know,
like you know, but you know, I'm only kidding, but yeah,
it's very nice of you to do that. No, I
mean I And by the way, kudos to it's Ferreira.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
He put it together. Yeah, I mean I did all
the film notes obviously, but it was Chris's. Yeah, Chris's animal.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
I thought it was a lot of time.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
I mean, Chris, Chris put it all together. I mean,
go download it. But I mean I just you know,
as a Patriots fan who loves the draft, I would
have been all over that in two seconds. And I'm
sure plenty of people are all over it. So yeah,
thank you, And it's a labor of love. I feel like,
I don't know how you feel, but like I just
feel such a sense of relief when I get the
big board done and the mock drafts and everything, and

(01:30:27):
I'm like the bar in the barn. I feel like
I got a pretty good sense of this class.

Speaker 11 (01:30:31):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
I just got to I just have nightmares with this
team that they're going to pull something like a cold
strange again on me. Because the Draft guide has one
hundred and twenty five prospects and I basically just went
from one to one twenty five on all those consensus
boards and stuff like that, and and did all those guys.
So this should be whoever they pick in the first

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round should come out of this one hundred and twenty
five grouping. But you just you never know what then, right.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
The question Tim has is if the best offensive tackle,
wide receiver, and cornerback are all available at fourteen, which
do you take? It looks like Evan and Mike would
both take the corner of Christian Gonzales from Oregon, but
what about the rest of you. I would normally say
tackle because you can't teach size, but in today's NFL,
cornerback and wide receiver have become integral positions to the

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success of the team. So like, if you ask me,
I would take the corner, you know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
I mean I think if you really believe you're getting
a number one corner, It's just it's such a key
piece of this defense that I think would make everyone
better and really get them in position it conect.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
Yeah, particularly in that defensive backfield. You know you lost
Steph mccordy. I know he's a safety, but he was
so integral in part in terms of communication back there.
So you need good players. You know, if you get
that number one corner, it allows Mark you know, Marcus
Jones can stay where he is, Jack Jones can stay
where he is, he can play opposite Jonathan Jones, and

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you have a pretty good cornerback room. If you get Gonzales,
you know, that's that the domino effect of him helps everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Yeah, you know. I mean there's a handful of these guys,
you know, at the top of the draft, but after
that then you're kind of getting into all right, here's
another rotational piece to work in, and I think they
need that. But I'm also not as intrigued by that
because it's it's just another one of these great They
got another defensive back that they'll move around, but it's
not a guy they need a guy I think on

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the outside.

Speaker 6 (01:32:32):
And those only come in the first round.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
I'm definitely starting to gravitate more and more towards the
corner by the day because I just think this class
is fantastic, and I think they'll have an opportunity at
fourteen to pick one of the top three or four
guys on the board. Whether it's Gonzales, I would throw
Deontay Banks's name out there from Maryland because I think
you know them, they zig when everybody else is zagging.
So if the Patriots at fourteen took Banks over Joey

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Porter Junior, I would not be surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
I'm there with you other I'm totally and I wrote it,
and my thing is I was doing it and I kept, like,
you know, going back to Banks and watching it, and
I'm like, I like them better than Porter now, and
I should have him above Porter, but him and Gonzales
are are just the two that I've enjoyed.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
Now, if it's crazy and there's this run on cornerbacks
for some reason, and let's say the Patriots had three
that they would take and they're all gone, I take,
then I take the tackle, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I just look at the Jets
last year with Sauce, and their defense went from a
good defense to maybe the best defense in the league.
And he just had such a great rookie season. And
I don't know if you're going to get that level
of impact out of a receiver in this draft with
the way that the board is. And then tackle is

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just not one of those positions that notoriously moves that needle,
I know. So if I have to go with one
of those impact spots. I would also just say that
I really trust their evaluation when it comes to offensive
line in all seven rounds of the draft, and I'm
sure that they'll make a short list, and Adrian Climbing,

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the scouting staff will make a list, and then Dante
will probably sign off on a few of the guys,
and like all of a sudden, you'll have a mic
on Winnu in the sixth round that's playing left tackle
and all this hidden gem that they found. And I
feel more confident in them being able to do that
than maybe anywhere else.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
William writes in out of He's out of Virginia as well.
Let's say the Patriots have a normal draft. For example,
in rounds one and two, they pick consensus top players
at positions like tackle, corner, or wide receiver, and then
in later rounds Bill drafts developmental players at edge, tight end,
et cetera. How do we feel then, do we trust Bill? Again?

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
I mean, look, there'll be an initial rush of what
we think of these guys and who they draft, and
we feel like, oh, they drafted the guys that I
like and I think fit, And you'd be excited. But
then there's the part where we get out on the
field and we see what guys are out there, what
guys are able to stay out there, what guys are
able to you know, pop like some.

Speaker 6 (01:34:52):
Of these rookies have right out of the get go.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
You know, we've seen some that have, and we've also
seen some that like, I don't know, I mean last
year with with Thornton, a couple of good plays, gets hurt,
he's out, you know, those.

Speaker 6 (01:35:03):
Kind of things.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
So it's the proofs in the pudding for me, Like
I'll certainly have a reaction, and if he picks guys
that I like and I feel like fit, then I'll.

Speaker 6 (01:35:11):
Be like, oh, this is great.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
But ultimately that doesn't mean it's going to work out.
We might get to the season and be like, Douce, Yeah,
guys all suck.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
I think the book on Bill will be what happens
when they're playing, you know, it's And I just one
more thing, like if they could have a bad draft,
but if they make the playoffs and and win a
couple of games, nobody will care.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
And I also say, like it's it would be so
easy for them to just draft say Flowers and everyone
will be like, oh, you know, I mean, everyone will
be happy. And it doesn't mean that it would necessarily
work or that it would be the right decision. But
if they really just wanted to please people and inject
some excitement around the offense, they could just take that
kid at forth.

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
Then, But then it comes down to how well do
they win games this year?

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
That's when always take it on the field and get
you know, Bourne's playing over and all you know, always
heard you know, like then that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
All starts Jacket and Abba. I don't care what position
the Patriots select with the fourteenth pick in the upcoming
NFL Draft. My only hope is that the pick is
a playmaker, a guy who not only will start from
day one, but will also tilt the field in his direction,
who will warp the gravity in his area, who will
force opponents to change their game to account for him.

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I'm not sure there's anyone.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
In there so a receiver.

Speaker 13 (01:36:20):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
Yeah, there's not very many guys that do that other
than receivers, I guess, Jon, But I think the interesting
thing about receivers and I got a chance to talk
to grow at the combine. We got a chance to
talk to go today, and we got a chance to
talk to Grow at this time last year, and all
three times, the way he talks about the receiver position

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and then the way that they approach the receiver position,
their actions at the receiver position, I just don't seem
to necessarily add up to me. And I do wonder
if there's a little bit of disagreement on the approach
at that position. And I think Barth actually texted me
last night about Andrew Callahan report earlier in this offseason

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that there is, you know, a disagreement internally about how
important is it to add receivers. And I wonder if
guys like Taekwon and a guy like Juju is a
compromise where we're spending a fifty you know, fiftieth overall
pick and we're paying a receiver some money in free agency.

(01:37:26):
But he always talks Grow always talks about receivers being
immediate impact players for you as an organization, and guys
that really changed the complexion of your offense and of
your team. And he he was prompted to bring up
teams like Miami and stuff like that, but I feel

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like those teams are teams that he looks at and says,
they've really invested in those positions, and I just want
I would love to know what what is bill stance
on this and what is And I think I know
what Gross stances on this because he's talked about it
so much. But it feels to me like he he

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sees it, like he understands that the receiver position needs
to be you need to have a different approach and
invest more capital, whether it's trade capital or salary cap
or high draft picks or whatever in that position. But
then you get to the offseason and they don't do it,
So obviously there's there's some internal divide there. I think

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about how to approach that position.

Speaker 5 (01:38:30):
It could be Dan of Virginia in Michigan, says. Fred
said earlier on the show that he started doing his
own draft research. Fred, does that mean your copy of
Our Lads finally get delivered? Just kidding, It hasn't come yet. No,
by the way, Really it's in the mail, I guess.

Speaker 9 (01:38:46):
So.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
You've recently discussed in the show the possibility or reality
of tension between Bill and the players. You've also discussed,
though that some of the moves of this soft season
may not have been at Belichick's instigation, but rather mister
krafts does that race the possibility of tension between Belichick
and mister Kraft. If there is tension, is that a
bigger deal than whatever tension there might be between Belichick

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and the players? Yeah, I mean there could be. Certainly,
you know, Bill's unnoticed when it comes to the owner,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:39:15):
So yeah, I mean what I mean, what more do
you need?

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
I think it just goes back to what I said
earlier of like you lose football games as part of
an AFFL franchise, Like there's there's tension. There's tension in
a lot of places. I mean, it's just that's what
happens when you're in a hyper competitive business like this
and hyper competitive people, and you know, and it's it's
hard to you know, build this entire team and get
everybody on the same page. So hopefully that's what they're

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they're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
Mike says, I hate to say it, but I think
we all know deep down, Bill makes the decisions. He
will never change. He's stubborn. There is no wide receiver
in my opinion worth taking at number fourteen. This class
is deep. Twenty five to seventy five trade down grab
an extra pick and make sure you grab Charlie Jones
at the second or third round. I think think mister
Koseki is the new receiver, and I wouldn't be shocked

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if Bill picks the running back from Texas in the
first round. I would be.

Speaker 6 (01:40:10):
I would too.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
The only thing I would say about it, though, is
that I think that it's a pick that could generate
some excitement at least, like you know if you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
I don't know if excitements the word I would use.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Well for people like you who know the composition of
the team, and for Johnny, you know who lives up
somewhere around Boston and you know, oh, the drafts is
this weekend.

Speaker 6 (01:40:30):
Who'd they get?

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Well, they got the best running back in the in
the in the league from.

Speaker 5 (01:40:33):
Texas, Like whoa, whoa?

Speaker 6 (01:40:34):
That sounds pretty good, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
For general fans, I think you know there's something there.
But I think for people who know what the league
is like, now what the team is like, you want.

Speaker 5 (01:40:42):
Different Spi and Fresno couple draft questions. First, does anyone
keep track of who the best mock drafters are?

Speaker 9 (01:40:50):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:40:50):
Is there a record of which specific draftnick draftnicks are
particularly successful at predicting who gets picked where in the
first couple of rounds year of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
There is somebody that does put that together that every
year kind of puts together a score for everybody's mock draft.
But I do think people have mock drafts all wrong,
Like no one gets it right, no one gets it right.

Speaker 5 (01:41:15):
I mean, Goslyn used to be pretty close.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
Yeah, But I think the point is with mock drafts
is more to generate discussion, and I think a lot
of people get way too caught up and oh yeah,
well they weren't right, So what's the point, you know, And.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
That's why I mean the big board thing, I mean,
that's kind of why I started doing that was, you know,
the mocks are so specific, it's hard to like, oh,
I got a mock draft right. But I felt like,
all right, if I give myself fifty guys and I
can hit a few of them, then at least each
year I can say, look, I'm at least pointing people
towards the right direction of the kind of players that
I think that they like, that I like that that
I think fit. So that was my little way of

(01:41:50):
just trying to hold myself a little bit accountable. Of
course last year I hit none.

Speaker 5 (01:41:54):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:41:56):
Still I'm still gonna make fun of you for not
having Marcus Jones on.

Speaker 6 (01:41:59):
Your That's bad. No, I'm bad in that one.

Speaker 4 (01:42:01):
That's the one. There's a couple for me as well.
In twenty twenty one, I didn't I Kyle Dugger was
not on the board. That that really irked me. Last year,
Cole like forget like whatever, Like I didn't have Cold Strange, No,
but Kyle Dugger I should have.

Speaker 5 (01:42:18):
If you like cold Strange in the first round, you're
lying no.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Somebody asked me, They're like, oh, you didn't get bar
More and I was. And that's like, you know, it's
a specific one because it's like, well, I thought he
was gonna go late first and I didn't think that
was a huge need.

Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
And you know they ended up he fell and they
traded up. So not mad about that one.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
But like Marcus Jones, I'm like, duce Bro, what what
are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:42:38):
Like perfect patriot?

Speaker 5 (01:42:39):
Yeah, second question from speed, does anyone assess and systematically
tracked team's overall drafting success? I don't mean the supposed
grades is signed right after the draft by Espan or whatever.
I mean something along the lines, but done two or
three years down the road.

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
Yeah, So PFF came out with this last year. I
want to say about the nineteen through or the eighteen
through twenty drafts or something like that. They twenty one
wasn't a part of it because it's too soon to
make a determination on that that draft class. But PFF
using I think it was like their grades or wins
above replacement stat or something like that. They accumulated all

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draft you know, drafted players and how they performed for
their teams, and as you could probably imagine, the Patriots
were not very good. It was I believe at the
time the Chiefs and were near the top, but they did.
They wrote in the methodology that you know, the Chiefs

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drafted Patrick Mahomes, so obviously like they're they're grading, and
you know, the Bengals with Burrow, like it's gonna skyrocket
the system because they have this elite player at the
top of the board, kind of propelling everything up. But
the Patriots were I want to say, twenty eighth or
twenty ninth in the league in the time span that
they used.

Speaker 5 (01:43:58):
Sam in North Carolina on Jersey Mike. He says, next
time you get a number thirteen at spicy brown mustard,
you'll thank me later.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
I love the spicy brown mustard on an Italian. Ah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
Oh no, I'm a honey mustard guy on an Italian. No,
I don't do Italian.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
I would do I would do mayo on an Italian though,
Fred I know that's a no no for you, but
I like that tang.

Speaker 5 (01:44:20):
Mayo on an Italian. Then it ceases to be an Italian.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
It is no longer an Italian, but it will still
be a delicious sandwich.

Speaker 5 (01:44:27):
It could be depending on your palate. It could be
a delicious sandwich, but do not call it an Italian.

Speaker 3 (01:44:33):
I think I waltzed into an Italian by accident when
I was a kid, and it had like the oil
and like just everything on it, and I was like,
this is a delight. I mean, there's just so much
going on in Italian sandwich. But then I have one
blow mayo and.

Speaker 13 (01:44:44):
I don't like.

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
Okay, all right, all right, Mark in Tennessee. Nice to
be able to listen to the show today without my
ears being blown off by somebody screaming Alex. It's more
much more enjoyable today. Some episodes of Sound boar his
way off. I really enjoyed the show and I look
forward to each episode, so I just just wanted to
say how much he hated Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
Basically, Paul got a good question in the in the
mail bag this week. Somebody's raking him over the coals
a little bit, but he had a response, Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:45:15):
Yeah, we miss him.

Speaker 5 (01:45:16):
Yeah. What were they raking him over the coals?

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Oh they're saying he wants to be a mini Felger,
and and then this and that.

Speaker 5 (01:45:23):
That's guys, as she's got.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Don't comfort Felger.

Speaker 5 (01:45:26):
He'll get mad.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
Oh god.

Speaker 5 (01:45:29):
Jack from London, England says I've seen the latest Lance
Zerline mock draft and would like to get your opinions
on what you think of it. He has us taking
Anthony Richardson at fourteen and suggested us trading Mac for
a second round pick. I understand he's very raw, but
he has a much bigger upside than Mac. Just wanted
to hear your thoughts, Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
I would be absolutely shocked if the Patriots had as
high of a great on Anthony Richardson as the media does.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
So who's your quarterback? In the meantime, Trace mcsorly. I mean,
you know, he's Anthony richards Is not ready. I don't
think the.

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
Way that they have evaluated the quarterback position for every
all the evidence that we have is that they really
prioritize floor a lot and having guys that have our
NFL ready a lot. I mean, they just drafted Mac
Jones and Bailey Zappie in two years and both those
guys couldn't have more attempts, more and more experience really

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in the college game. And obviously Mac at Alabama, but
Bailey Zappi in college through the ball constantly for multiple seasons.
So I think a guy like Anthony Richardson would be
totally out of their their type.

Speaker 6 (01:46:46):
If this was two years ago, what do you think
they do?

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
Do you think? I mean, like if if they didn't
if they didn't have Mac, Like if this was the
Mac draft, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:46:51):
Like they'd bring on Cam Newton.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
I'd like to seem trying to go get Bryce Young.

Speaker 5 (01:46:58):
Let's see Tim Wright in quick draft question. What do
we think of Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee? What is his
range for what round he'll be taken in and do
we see him as a fit for the Patriots. I
graduated from high school with him, so I've seen almost
every game he's played. The dude can ball. So I
wondered what your thoughts were.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
Probably my least favorite receiver in the draft of them.

Speaker 5 (01:47:21):
Well, there you go, Sorry, Tim, I didn't I just
why don't you like him?

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
Thornton, He's very gimmicky. He didn't really run an NFL
route tree. They run a really they run a unique
system at Tennessee that's not very NFL pro style, and
basically what they did was just find ways to get
him off the line of scrimmage without having to go
through contact and just turn it into a track meet
for him, which he's obviously very effective doing. But unless

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you're gonna run it the way that Tennessee ran it,
it's going to be very difficult to mimic the things
that he was doing at Tennessee. And he's got four
to four speed like fast, but he is not. He's
not electric fast. I don't know why. I think putting
him in Taekwon on the team together is very very
redundant as well. So yeah, all across the board.

Speaker 5 (01:48:14):
Ye earlier we were talking about Gerard Mayo in his
role in matt In Bridgeton, Maine poses this theory, and
he says, if I don't read the email, that means
I agree with his theory, and if I do read
the email, that means I don't agree with it. So
I'm gonna read it. But his theory is that Mayo

(01:48:35):
is not being pegged for the next head coach, but
rather for the next team president. And so he goes
on to explain. But he's saying that Robert Kraft will eventually,
you know, step aside for whatever reason, Jonathan will elevate
to CEO, and then Gerard Mayo slips in his team president.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
That's an interesting theory. I don't I don't know the
dynamics of.

Speaker 5 (01:48:58):
All that, but yeah, and he's says that the reason,
he says Jonathan is less involved he wants to be
less involved in operating the franchise. His reasoning is Jonathan's
now sixty, has more of his mother's disposition in philanthropy
and all that.

Speaker 6 (01:49:15):
And this is where I confirm it.

Speaker 5 (01:49:18):
Now, Jonathan loves doing what he does. He's a business
guy first and foremost. He's not a philanthropist, although he
does do that obviously, But he he's always going to
have a hand in running this thing. I don't think
he'll ever see that. Now. That doesn't mean he couldn't
have a president, and he would be the CEO and
could beat Gerard Mayo, but not for those reasons. Not

(01:49:40):
because he wants to not run the business. No, he
wants to run the business. But it's interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:49:45):
You know, what does a team president do?

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
Is that more that's not as much football stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:49:49):
Though it varies from team to team. On some teams
the team president really does call the shots. On other teams,
the team president is more less football and more everything else.

Speaker 13 (01:50:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
I got to be honest, I think Gerd Mayo has
zero interest in being the team president the right of
Patriots zero.

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
It's he's a football I mean he played, he's a
he's a junkie.

Speaker 5 (01:50:13):
Yeah yeah, you know. So it just depends on the
definition of team. You know, every team is different and
how they view those roles.

Speaker 11 (01:50:23):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:50:23):
I guess maybe the thought is more of that like
John Elway role where or you know Cam Neely with
the Bruins.

Speaker 6 (01:50:30):
He got a players guy. Yeah that's sort of.

Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
Running the football operations, but maybe has a GM under him.
That's actually on the road and doing all of the
nitty gritty.

Speaker 5 (01:50:41):
But and so in that case, the GM is a
different title, you know, different responsibility.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
I think he wants to coach.

Speaker 5 (01:50:47):
Yeah, Johann writes in He's from Germany. What's your opinion
on Hunter Henry? Will he have a comeback year this
year after last year's setback? In his first year he
was basically one of the most reliable short yardish targets,
especially in the red zone for mac Jones two touchdowns

(01:51:07):
versus nine touchdowns in year one. And he says, you
went to Munich last year. Fred, it's the whole crew
joining you this year for the international game. And will
there be any events? Hope to see you this year.
Wherever we play, there will be events. So we are
going to play. Don't know if it's going to be
Munich or Frankfurt, but wherever we do play, there will

(01:51:28):
be lots of events. So what do we think of
Hunter Henry this year?

Speaker 6 (01:51:33):
I think he'll be I think he'll bounce back.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
I mean, I just think in a you know, a
well designed offense, he'll probably return to the red zone threat.
But I mean, I think my bigger question is how
do you balance him in Kasiki and you know, not
that I feel that a blocking tight end is a necessity,
but you know, those guys aren't going to block. And
I just I just think it's a weakness on this
team that they don't really have, you know, a guy
that can that can do both. And I mean at

(01:51:56):
times last year I felt like John Eyuan Hunter were
a little bit overwhelm. I mean, I think Connor Henry
even said kind of as much.

Speaker 6 (01:52:02):
He felt that he improved.

Speaker 5 (01:52:03):
But don't you think that's like a fifth round or
sixth round pick and they'll get a guy.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
Well, I think, oh no, and I do, and I
think this year, I think they can get that kind
of guy to develop behind them and then you know,
maybe next year then you have a well rounded guy.
But they're you know, they're both kind of more in
that f tight end kind of move guy mole that
founder's got good size. I think he'll be fine this year.
But I just I do wonder if they're a little
bit limited with what Kisiki and he are.

Speaker 4 (01:52:27):
I would like them to address tight end pretty early
in this draft. I just look at this draft and
tight end corner edge like those are such good position
groups in this draft, deep the talented groups that the
tight end you get in the third round this year
is not going to be there in the third round
next year because the class isn't going to be as
good and isn't going to be as deep. So I

(01:52:48):
look at this tight end class and would love to
see in that third or fourth round range. We've thrown
out a bunch of names, you know, Tucker Kraft, Luke
Scoon Maker, one of those guys that can block a
little bit. Maybe he has a little bit more blocking
chops than what they have. But looking at twenty twenty
four and beyond, can then step up and be starting
tight ends for you moving forward because those two guys,

(01:53:09):
Henry and Kasiki are one year, one year and out
right now.

Speaker 5 (01:53:13):
Paul Rainville writes in He's from South Amboy, New Jersey,
and there's a lot of amboys in New Jersey. Yeah,
this Perth dam Boy, this South d and Boyer.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:53:22):
So have you heard have you heard Derek Parrish as
a Patriots target late in the draft. I've seen him
connected to the Patriots following the James Devlin pathway as
a defensive end that transitions to fullback in the NFL.
He's super athletic prospect who could fill gaps on both
sides of the ball. I think he would stand out
as a Day three player. The Patriots would love well

(01:53:45):
that Derek Parrish. Have you gotten that deep yet?

Speaker 7 (01:53:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
So Derek Parrish shows at the Shrine Bowl with the Patriots.
He was actually on the East team. The Patriots on
the West team had Jack Coletto from Oregon State who
is the Hornig Award winner. Marcus Jones won the Horneig
Award last year. The Patriots drafted and both of those
guys have played offense and defense. Both of them played
full back slash tight end as a kind of I
think Parish is more of that James Devilin type of fullback,

(01:54:11):
whereas Kletta is more like a Kyle Yuschek style fullback
that's maybe a little bit more of a move piece.
But both of those guys can block. I thought Koletto
looked better as a receiver in Vegas a little bit
more further along with his hands and the fluidity of
his routes. But Parish had at Houston last year. I
want to say he had eight sacks rushing the passer
on defense, so he can play both ways. I think

(01:54:32):
both of those guys is end of the draft six
to seventh round, maybe even UDFA signings. That neither one
of them was invited to the combine, which was kind
of a snub in my opinion for both guys, Like
how do you not invite the Horny Award winner to
the combine? Like that's ridiculous. Most versatile player in college football.
I don't know how that guy's not at the combine.
But both of those guys is in that with that

(01:54:53):
seventh round pick, or maybe as a priority UDFA would
fit here.

Speaker 5 (01:54:58):
Coming to the end of the show, so we got
to take care of some important things. Rob in San
Diego via Connecticut says, is oil, vinegar and salt and
pepper necessary for an Italian sub to be an Italian sub?
I say yes. I think the meats can be somewhat interchangeable,
but not the oil, vinegar with salt and pepper. I agree,
you have to have those things. Jack says, no, male

(01:55:22):
on an Italian sub, you must must must put oil
and vinegar, Come on, man, So I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
I gotta shout out the Godmother Sandwich at Bay Cities
in Santa Monica, which is the like, that's one you
don't even you don't even tell them what you want.
Just give me the Godmother with the works. That's the
best Italian I don't it's officially in Italian.

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
Do you ever go there?

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
Pit Bay Cities in Santa Monica when you live there?

Speaker 4 (01:55:45):
Sounds familiar, but I don't know if I ever made
it there.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
It's a good one. I'm sure there'll be a listener
writing in about how good that place is. But that's
a good one.

Speaker 5 (01:55:53):
Let's see Rob and Rot. Now we already read that one.
This is too long, all right, Well we'll close out
with a quick who am I game? Brian from Swansea?
These are Bill Belichick draft era? Who am I game?
All answers are players drafted by the Patriots under Bill Belichick.

(01:56:15):
Ready appropriate topic. I'm one of two players drafted in
the Bill Belichick era to have double digit career interceptions
and sacks. One of two.

Speaker 3 (01:56:27):
Oh, that's a good question. Interceptions and.

Speaker 5 (01:56:32):
Okay, I've been teammates with Tom Brady on two different teams.
Ok So he has to have been Logan Ryan Logan
Ryan is correct? Ding Ding Ding? Who am I I'm
one of two players drafted in the Bill Belichick era
to have been selected in the sixth round and named
first team All Pro at least once during my career.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
Six round not Tom Brady. Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:57:02):
Sixth round. I earned a Super Bowl ring with the Patriots,
though I never played in a regular a pro season
game for the team. Huh wow, all Pro not just
Pro Bowl. My first name is the same as the
last name of a Grammy winning R and B singer

(01:57:22):
who was once dated a Patriots Pro Football Hall of
Fame running back.

Speaker 3 (01:57:27):
Oh that's oh god, come on, oh god, it's Curtis Martin's.

Speaker 5 (01:57:32):
Right, Tony Braxton Braxton Burios. That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:57:38):
I mean you got me there?

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
First team All Pro? I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:57:42):
I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:57:43):
Also, I don't think he was a was her first
team All Pro? Is he a Pro Bowler?

Speaker 5 (01:57:47):
Our guy was?

Speaker 13 (01:57:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:57:52):
Like I said, I'm the only player drafted in the
Bill Belichick era from a New England college to be
named to the Pro Bowl. Next, I snapped the ball
to two different quarterbacks with a combined four hundred and
thirty seven wins. Copan Dan Copanuce correct On fired today

(01:58:14):
one more one more. I'm the only first round pick
drafted in the Bill Belichick era from a Big ten college.
No first round, first round.

Speaker 6 (01:58:28):
It wasn't that bad, Evan.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
I scored the first touchdown and the Patriots lost to
the New York Giants in the Super Bowl forty two.
Oh god, I scored the first touchdown in that game,
the second one Big ten in my rookie season. Corey
Dillon and I combined for over fifteen hundred yards. Rest
Lawrence Maroney, All right, golfers, so errors was correct? Date

(01:58:56):
Ebner in the first round? What do we think?

Speaker 4 (01:59:00):
It feels that bad? Right now?

Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
That's gonna be it for this edition The Patriots Unfiltered
for Tuesday. We'll be back Thursday with another edition full squad.
Was Paul back or see out all week? All right?
So the guy who doesn't like Paul, you can tune
in on Thursday. We'll see you then.

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