Patriots Unfiltered 4/20: Biggest Draft Fits for New England, Mock Draft Roundup

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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
She literally sent him a.

Speaker 5 (00:21):
Cold damn like, can you agent yet?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
If not, would love to link, And then they connected.

Speaker 5 (00:25):
And think about.

Speaker 6 (00:26):
How many times guys shoot their shot at you, like
over and over after you've already said no, like continue
to have that same energy.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
You're talking about quarterbacks, and like Burrow comes up and
everybody's just like he's got the total package.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
He looks like becaue covid. I know what, Evan, You've
got your draft guy that you can download. I don't
know why you're giving that away. Why are you just
giving that to people? Everybody else? Like you have to
pay and everything.

Speaker 5 (00:52):
You know, that's your job. I just do the words.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I was going through the wide receivers and there's a kid,
I think late round from West Virginia. Yeah, I forget
his name that I really like Bryce Ford. Whet that
been it.

Speaker 7 (01:04):
Yeah, we're just killing you know, We're gonna we'll probably
hit like a trambling park later this week. We're gonna
go to the library today.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Okay, great, what's.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
The question I would do man, I would do Mayo
on Italian.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Though fred Mayo on an Italian, then it ceases to
be an Italian. It is no longer in a tone,
but it will still be a delicious sandwich.

Speaker 6 (01:21):
This is Patriot's Unfiltered, fueled by Duncan.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Jillette Stadium, and we are exactly one week away
from the NFL Draft, and we're all excited. I'm excited,
really excited, really excited. I can I can tell you
that all my my information has arrived. Her lads, the Beast,
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Speaker 5 (01:48):
I can, our lads.

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(02:11):
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Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know how he does all that.
I mean, Evan, you put together a book, a mini
version of this. I imagine he's like married to this thing
four months where all he does every day is write
and prospects.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
You have to start getting them all the template done
for every guy, and then you're filling in all year long.
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
The great thing about that is that they have all
the stats broken down, they have all the measurements from
the combine. It's like everything right before the draft. You
get all the information in one place. So especially as
you get to the end of the process and you're like,
all right, it's a clean slate. Now just give me
a new bunch of information to kind of read it,
you still have to.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Like when you get interested in a guy, you still
have to go look at his tape. I mean, it's
not a substitute for actually watching about that just get
you know, actually watch play. But to me, it gives
me like the roadmap. Okay, here's the five guys I
want to look at at this position, you know, and
not just the top guys those are obvious, but like, Okay,
this guy could be a sixth round pick, you know,

(03:13):
like what did he do? Yeah, but it's amazing, like
all these guys like all this, all that, and then
their seventh round picks, and it just shows you, like
the pyramid, how small it gets when you get to
the NFL level. You know, you could be the best
in your conference in college, but you know now you're

(03:35):
competing against the best of the best. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah. There's a running back from UAB named Dwayne McBride
who ran for three thousand yards at UAB and he's
like a sixth round pick. It's just like, this is
just crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Oh look at Bailey z Appy. He broke the NCAA
record for yards right, yeah, completion yards, and you know
he was a fourth round pick. But still, you know
you would think wow.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
But I think the funny thing to me too, is
that you get all these books. We all do our research,
you know, varying levels. The NFL teams hold all the cards,
they do professionally, all that they have a full team
of people year round doing this, and even they still
miss on people.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
You know, it's just it's such a hard process.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
No matter how many things you look, no matter how
much tape you look, you just there there's always going
to be that little bit of an element that you
don't know if a player is going to be successful.
You know, it's just no matter how great they look
in the books, they don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
So it's deuced. It's Evan, it's myself, Paul still on vacation,
Still nice, he's still Miller white Land.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, knee deep.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah. I don't know where's Tamara and Alex?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I know, I usually I think there's something going on
because I went into the social department. Everybody is cleared out,
so I don't know where they are if they're all
doing something.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
So I think Alex and I think with the community events.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Maybe today Yeah, yeah, so the pull of the cameras
wasn't enough.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Maybe they'll stop in later, you never know. Yeah, so
what are we talking about? There was a report today
of a certain quarterback on campus.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, we'll leave.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
O's we'll leave, we'll leave.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yeah, let's say the name correctly, Yeah, we'll lev I'm
never going to.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Get that right. Yeah, so a little bit of a surprise.
I mean, he's you know, I'll let Evan jump into him,
you know, raw raw prospect kind of. He's got the
the Josh Allen beauty queen kind of thing. We're oh man, he's.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Big, he's athletic, he's strong.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
If we could just get him right, we could really
have something on our on our hands. So I these
are research They're probably gonna see these guys. Does it
mean they're going to take him at fourteen? I doubt it,
but you know, this is what they do, and you're
going to face these guys, and now's a chance to.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
Get them under put look under the under the hood.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
I don't give him a full checkout. See see exactly
what what's going on with Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Know, you do your due diligence. You know, I think
you're allowed thirty visits here. You know, probably they've got
a few extra that they haven't used yet. So yeah,
bring Will Levison. Now that doesn't where they go and
see like you can go and think unlimited to their place.
And famously, I remember, you know when Sebastian Volmer was

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picked in the second round back then, Dante actually went
to see him. Oh no, it was met Nate sold
her Nate.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Sold Your story is right, Oh it was Volmer Homer. Yeah,
actually just talked to Dante about.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
It, Okay, okay, Yeah, so he went like a couple
of days before the draft, yeah, to work him out.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
Yeah, you know, yeah, he said that one of the
big things for him. Was he knew that Sebastian was
from Germany, and he didn't know how much English he knew,
and he didn't know how much American football he knew.
Like he knew that he was big and that he was,
you know, looked the part of an NFL player, But
he had to He wanted to go and see what
exactly how much football did he know? How good was

(06:50):
his English? How was he translating to American life and
all those types of things, because all that stuff you
really don't know until you sit down with somebody and
talk to them. And I think that was a big
thing with Will Levis for different reasons obviously, but he's
one of those guys to me that you need to
be one hundred percent sure that he wants to be great,

(07:11):
that he wants to put in those extra hours after
the practice and really work at his craft, because he's
not there yet. He's somebody that's wildly inconsistent. He has
peaks and valleys all over his film from the last
two years. His footwork is completely erratic and all over
the place, and his decision making can be erratic. But

(07:31):
there are those samples of throws and samples of games
where he's making those incredible quarterback plays where he's got
an absolute cannon. He can hit things on time, he
can flick the wrist off platform on the move, all
that type of stuff, the Josh Allen of it all.
But you have to know that that guy has the

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drive to put it in the work so that he
can be consistently good, because if he doesn't, he's gonna
be Zach Wilson. If he does, gonna be Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I thought, uh sorry, go ahead for well, I was
gonna say most of the books they've got him as
the fourth rated receiver. Now it's all relative because it's
a week class, But I mean, is he worth a
second round pick? I don't know, for any team, not
just the Patriots, but for any team.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Somebody will take it tat I don't know, you know,
but you know, we talked about if this was twenty
twenty one, the Patriots were fifteen when they got mac Jones.
I mean, this would be, you know, probably the kind
of guy that we would be talking about. Should they
consider him. I was gonna just piggyback.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
That's when they didn't have a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, no, I know, And if you know, if this
was that draft and get into the quarterback you would
be one of that. One story just to piggyback that
Karen Gregion told this past weekend was about Solder and
she had been talking to Soldier throughout the draft process,
and he said, I don't know, about a week before
the draft, he was supposed to have a visit and
they abruptly canceled it, and so Karen was talking to
him and he was like, oh, I don't know what
what happened, like he was all kind of down in

(08:53):
the dumps about it. And then of course they actually
did end up selecting him, So you never know the
way he's gonna go. Guys are here that you're probably
not even really interested, got you're canceling meetings on guys
that you actually are interested. I know everybody keeps track
of all the visits and everything. It's just it's hard
to make it make sense out of These are the
guys they're considering drafting. These are the guys that they
feel like, Hey, now's our chance to get this guy

(09:14):
in the building and get a little bit of sensive
and if we have to face and.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
I've heard stories of guys that say, oh yeah, I
went on a visit and all they did was talk
about a teammate of mine and ask me questions about
somebody else.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Funny, you know, I do wonder that with the some
of the edge rushers that they've brought in, some of
those guys have gone up against the top tackles in
college football, like a guy like Lucas van Ness went
against Keorronsky went against Paris Johnson. Like, maybe they're doing
homework more on those guys. Nolan Smith went up against
Roderick Jones in practice every single day, So maybe a
little bit more that. I don't love the oh, maybe

(09:46):
they have to face them down the road theory, because
like that, I feel like that's a waste of a visit,
to be honest with you, Like maybe in a one
in a million chance that he goes to an AFC's
team or something like that, they might see him down
the road. I don't know how much stock I put
into that, but I do put a lot of stock
in the teammates or who they're facing or things like
that that maybe they can do some.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Kind of be available in four years.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
You know, well I have heard that, like you know,
you know, the second contract comes around the other team
doesn't sign him or whatever. Really, and you know, I
hear a lot, well we got to know him during
the draft process, you know, so there is some of that.
But I see what Evan's saying, like you're going to
bring him out here just to get to know him, you.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Know, like to find to find his weakness.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
But thirty thirty, You think thirty visits, it's a lot
of visits. It's a lot of visits.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yeah, and local guys like Zay Flowers doesn't count, yeah,
because he's local. So the only guys that count are
the guys that have to get on a plane and
come here, and.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
That doesn't include you know, you can go to as
many pro days as you want, you can go to
and many one on one visits as you want at
their place. So when you add it up, you know,
thirty is a lot, you know, and you probably don't
use all of them, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Right, Well, well you're drafting maybe ten guys, I mean
that's you know, a big hall will be ten eleven
guys somewhere in there. So I mean that's then.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
And there's the misinformation, the whole smoke screen thing. You know,
you bring in a guy, you wanted to get out there,
and now all of a sudden, oh, pictures are interested
in Will Levis. Oh maybe we should be too.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Oh right, Well, that's the other part is it's subterfuge.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, if you're not in the market quarterback in the
first round, you want as many other teams to pick
quarterbacks as possible ahead of you.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
Yeah, you know, but just reading the Tee Lea's of
everything that we've heard from from Bill in particular, it
wouldn't shock me at all if they're interested in Will
Levis for real, like he's not sold on the quarterback,
but in the first round. Yeah, absolutely, wow. I mean
he's gonna go in the first round. Someone's gonna take
him in the first round regardless.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I think one of the imagine that though, if you
take Will Levis, you're literally taking him at a higher
draft spot than you took your current quarterback.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Yeah, you're training your current quarterback at that point.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Oh you think so?

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Oh yeah, I would think they would draft Will Levis
Bailey Zappi's the guy.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
You don't have the competition of competitions in camp.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
No, I think that's a waste of assets to have
two first round quarterbacks on the but.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I mean he isn't exactly opposite of Mac Jones, but
he kind of is exactly opposite of Mac Jones in
terms of, you know, a high floor guy versus a
high ceiling guy, you know, in the athleticism. I mean,
that's what's intriguing to me. I don't think it was
a surprise to anyone that Bill Belichick might prefer the
high floor player. But you know, to see him take
a swing on a guy like Will Levis that there's

(12:21):
there's some intrigue there.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
I don't know if it's worth getting into. But like
if you did, let's say you did trade, what's your plan.
Do you bring in a veteran until he's ready or
do you let Bailey Zappy compete for the Bailey Zappy?

Speaker 8 (12:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Really byby Rye was zappy. I mean it's a tough call.
I don't. I mean, Evan for all the reasons Evan said,
I don't think he's ready to step in, or at
least I don't know. If Will Levis was going to
beat Cam Newton in the twenty twenty one training camp,
like you know that he probably was gonna lot. He
probably wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah, I think Will Evis could start right away. I
think the biggest thing that you have to look at
is this twenty one film. Much much better in twenty
one at Kentucky than the in twenty two. In twenty two,
I lost a lot of his his guys in twenty two,
A couple of linemen Wandell Robinson goes to the NFL.
You know, guys like that that really helped him in
Kentucky in twenty one. So in some ways I think

(13:13):
that people that really really like Will Levis have drawn
comparisons to Justin Herbert, who also had a similar really
really good in his junior season, not as good in
his senior season because they lost a bunch of talent
to the NFL.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
So I mean, well, the guy like that, if you
really believe in his talent, you know, then I think
it is imperative that you bring him in to get
to know him, you know, because like, if he's coachable,
if football's important to him, these are the all the
off field intangibles, If those things, if you can check
all those boxes, Okay, this is a guy we can
work with and he's worth it. And that's where you

(13:49):
need to sit down and look him in the eyes,
ask him questions, and like it's a whole day thing.
You really have to run him through the car wash.
And at the end of the day, if he's checking
those boxes, that's a tough decision.

Speaker 8 (14:01):
Man.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
That's the biggest thing for me and the hardest part
about for me in the outside looking in to give
a proper evaluation of somebody like Will Levis. I don't
know Will Levis. I've never talked to him before. I
don't know what his makeup is. I don't know what
his drive is, because he's going to have to have
that hunger to want to be fixable and coachable because

(14:22):
he has flaws and he has warts on his film
that he's going to have to fix in the NFL.
But I think the biggest thing that stands out to me,
and this is something that I think a lot of
people have learned from Josh Allen, from Herbert, from Patrick Mahomes,
is are the intentions there on film? Is he trying
to do the right things? Or are his eyes all
over the place and his feet are all over the

(14:44):
place and it's just the mess With Levis. I see
a guy that knows how to play quarterback, Like his
eyes are usually in the right place. His progressions are
usually sound. The ball just doesn't always go where he
wants it to go, and that should be in theory.
That's fi like you can train mechanics, you can train
footwork to the point where it's more consistent. If he

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was one of these guys that that really had the
trouble processing and reading the field, I would be out
on him. But what I see as a player that
just needs to continue to work at the finer points
of quarterbacking and the other stuff will come. I think
he sees the field pretty well. He's got a really
compact quick release, which I think is what everybody is
kind of fascinated by with him, is the velocity and.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
The unbelievable It's a little bit like Garoppolo, but even stronger,
like in terms of quickness, Like it looks like Garoppolo,
but he's got a stronger arm. I would say, yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
And then he's got mobility, you know, and he can
get outside the pocket and he can throw out a structure,
and he can you know, flick the wrists and throw
it fifty yards down the field, and he can run
over people, you know, as a runner. There's highlights of
him out there hurdling guys, you know, and down the
field and things like that. So I liked him a
lot more than I thought I would, and I threw

(15:56):
him in in the draft guy at the last second
because I was like, you know what, but the one
quarterback that could fall to fourteen and in the first
round is Will Levis. So I'm just gonna do it,
you know, just go through his tape real quick. And
I'm glad I did it because I was sold, Like,
I felt a lot better about his valuation because going
into it, I really thought I was going to be
watching Zach Wilson two point zero and it really wasn't

(16:17):
that He's a much cleaner prospect than Zack Wilson.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Was interesting, okay, but I will.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Say this, the best cut, the worst cupt secret right
now in the NFL is Will Levis. In the Indianapolis
Colts like the Colt Set four. I think he's now
the betting favorite to go to the Colt Set four.
And I can imagine that the people in that building
think he's Andrew Luck. Like he just looks like Andrew Luck,
throws the ball like Andrew Luck, is athletic, like Andrew
Luck was so I don't see him coming anywhere close

(16:44):
to making it to fourteen. I think that he's probably
an Indianapolis Colt unless CJ. Stroud doesn't end up going
to Houston.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So you'd think including Richardson all four go before the fourteen.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
I would assume. So I think Richardson is way too
freakish to let him out of the top ten. You know,
his tools are just out of this world, you know,
Cam Newton, Josh Allen level athleticism. So I don't think
that you can let him out of the top ten.
And I think a lot of teams are gonna convince
themselves that they can fix all of us.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Okay, a very interesting There's gonna be a lot of
intrigue on Thursday, and I'm you know, as I said,
it's a week away. We're gonna be live video starting
at seven thirty next Thursday night from the draft party.
So the Patriots having a big draft party upstairs for
season ticket holders and other people who bought tickets, and

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so we'll be we'll be doing our show live from
the party. The first hour of the show will be
live video and then per NFL rules at eight thirty,
We're gonna have to go to just audio, but we'll
be with you throughout the entire first round on Thursday night.
So I can't wait for that. It's always you know,

(17:59):
not just me, but our listeners always say it's it's
among the best shows we do all year. Yeah, it's
a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, it is. Uh And I think the Patriots pick
somewhere nine thirty ish, I think is when they're protected
to projected to.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
If they stay at.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Fourteen, right, it'll be closer to midnight.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah on Friday.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Oh oh yeah no, no.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
Well yeah, what do we do if they trade out altogether?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
We just keep going just power We just power through
and talk about Friday.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
I'm just messing they're not going to trade out from
forty six picks tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Exciting.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, but uh so that's there's some you know, get
your rest, maybe take a long nap on Thursday afternoon,
you know, get your five hour energy like I do. Uh,
because it's going to be a wild night.

Speaker 5 (18:43):
There's a two Starbucks kind of day.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Wow, you're not sleeping.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Yeah, I'm not sleeping Anyways.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I was saying, though, I I I love Friday, Like
you know, the two years ago when they drafted Mac.
That was just such a great day the day after
when it was and and a lot of it was
because kind of COVID we were coming out of that
whole thing, but just having Mac on the field and
you know, just that renew kind of excitement. That's what
I'm hoping for, that that they make a kind of
pick that has that kind of energy about it and
we can get on the field, you know, beautiful day

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and get him out of here, get them in here,
you know, to chat them up a little bit. But
I think that's what's really exciting. You know, you get
to this point, all these NFL teams, you get these
new players, and there should at least be some hope.
I know that we'll have callers that are like, but
this is what it's all about, getting these young kids
in and remaking the team. So it's it's exciting. I

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can't believe that how quickly it seems to go. Now.
It's just like the off season starts and you're like boom,
Combine owners meeting and here we are draft.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Okay, so anything else going on? You know, last show
on Tuesday, you know, the Jalen Hurts deal had been announced,
and you know that was really interesting, and OBJ went
to the Ravens, and everyone just assumes that because of that,
Lamar will eventually be going back. You know, have we
heard anymore on the Lamar Jackson front.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's been getting quiet, right, And I feel like this, Yeah,
I mean, I agree with that. I just I feel
like we've entered a little bit of a void here
and I wonder if early next week Tuesday, Wednesday, we
might get I think, what was it two years ago
was when that was, like when Gronk got traded, Like, yeah,
was that even in the hours leading up to the draft?
I remember that. So we have a weird little period
here where it seems like I mean, I think Evan

(20:25):
with the Colts and that that whole thing with Levis
that's been one of the rumors.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
But otherwise it's been it's been pretty quiet. Well, I
think the big thing is right now is down the
hall here and in every other facility in the NFL.
This is when you really finalize your board. So until
you set your board, trading upper back or down or
whatever in the draft, you're not gonna you're trading up
or down for specific player in mind right to get

(20:51):
in arranged to draft a specific player. So until you
finalize the board, then teams don't really know one hundred
percent what they're trading up for, right So I think
that that's the big thing right now is trying to
figure out that. And I would also say, like different
they do mock drafts, like not on the PFF simulator
like all of us casuals do, but they do mock
drafts to simulate different scenarios. And I think that that's

(21:14):
where Will Levis comes into play, where it's like, if
we're adding the clock on fourteen and he's there, still,
what are we doing? Are we taking him or are
we not taking him? And I think that's the type
of the discussions that go on right now is Okay,
we're this is our board. Now, okay, now this is
our board. Now this is our board, and we have
this team calling, you know, offering this package to trade down,

(21:36):
and you try to figure out exactly what you want
to do.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
You know, and like like Kevin said, you know, you're
finalizing your board now, but in terms of like trading up,
like you said, you're trading up for a particular player.
But unless it's like unless you're trading up to the
top three in the drop. You have no idea of
how the board's going to unfold in front of you.
And I think that's the one thing that people don't understand.
Why can't they just like say that they're interested in

(22:01):
a certain guy or a certain position, or you know,
like why don't they know? Why don't they know? They
honestly don't know. When Bill Belichick says I have no
idea who we're gonna draft, he's he knows who they like, obviously,
but you have no idea what's gonna happen in front
of you. And that changes everything. Yeah, you know, you
don't have control of that, and and uh, you know,

(22:24):
and even with trades, well just trade up, Well it
takes two people to trade, you know. It's so it's
it's not as easy as people think it is now.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
But I think that there are also calls going on
right now of you know, hey six overall, what would
you think here? Who do you like? You know, those
kind of like feel out calls, which you know then
it's going to be next week, you know, the Patriots
have make calls about trading up, which I just I
feel like every team should make a call see who
got what teams, you know, four or five six spots
ahead of you. Who are they looking for? What would

(22:52):
it take? You know, those kind of things. You have
those in place. To Evan's point, if it starts to
evolve and you're like, all right, maybe we got to
make a move here, you already have some roundwork laid of. Hey,
we know we could probably get to this spot and
this is probably what we would have to give up.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Hope.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
I hope they're going to be aggressive like that. I
mean I think that's we've talked a little bit about it.
I don't know if it's a trade up kind of
a draft, but maybe you trade down and then you're
and then you're talking about trading up like they did
with Barmore. You know, the being aggressive more in the
second round. Yep, that's the biggest thing I've just taken
away from. You know, you make that pick at fourteen,
it's a long way to forty six, and you see

(23:26):
a lot of players that you really like go in
that range from fourteen to forty six, So it's you know,
can you fill that gap a little bit? And I
think everybody would pretty much be okay with Hey, we're
going to drop down to twenty twenty one, twenty two.
But you're going to pick up another pick somewhere in
that thirties, forties, maybe even early fifties, like that little
range in the second round to you know, really just

(23:46):
get a couple of these guys.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's just fun to be active. And even Bill says it.
You know, it's like, you know, after each day you
restack your board, you know, and you want to be
in the action. You know, like if you have if
you don't have a pick in the fourth round, maybe
you do something to try to get that pick back,
just so that you're you're involved. You know, you're not

(24:08):
just watching the parade go by. And you know, if
you don't have a pick, there's no reason for people
to call you. But if you have assets, then you're
more in the mix. So this is all I mean.
I would really love to, you know, be in that
draft room on draft day, just to be in a
fly just to watch and not to even you know,

(24:29):
report on it. And I was lucky enough to do
that years ago, when Pete Carroll first came here. I
was able to sit in the draft room on draft
day and it was pretty cool. Now I wasn't back
then it was at the old Stadium, and where they
made the phone calls was a separate room, So I

(24:49):
was sitting in the room with like all the scouts
and everybody, but like when they did the wheeling and dealing,
that was in a separate room, so I didn't get
to overhear all of that, but it was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
It was like big Cat like more like that year,
one of those.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Years, and it was his first year. And I remember
he came out and he looked at me and he's like,
what's he doing here?

Speaker 5 (25:07):
Like he's fine, Yeah, I just I really do wonder
what those conversations are like for real, when if there
is disagreement about who they're gonna take, is it? At
that point, Macro lays down his sword and says, I
know that I'm not making the final call, and I've
said all I could possibly say. Or are there moments

(25:28):
of contention? I'm not saying that there definitely is. I'm
just saying, is there moments of contention where it's like,
you know, Bill's leaning towards this guy, but the scouting
staff is saying that guy, and like, how do you
kind of work that thing out? Because I think that
That's what all of us on the outside looking in
feel like it's happening right before our eyes sometimes, is
that Bill takes his guy when the board might have

(25:50):
been set a little bit differently by the scouting staff.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I gotta imagine that during the Rutgers years, when Schiano's
first stint at Rutgers, there was a lot of him
there he goes again, you know, like yeah, and I
can't imagine that that's just happened to be how their
board felt. You know, he was doing Chiano a solid
when he took all those guys, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Mean, you know, we do it the way we do it,
but even we get attached to guys or develop opinions
on guys, whether they're right or wrong. You imagine that
these scouts who do it professionally and do it year
round and have traveled to see these guys in person
multiple times, have maybe visited their families, I don't know,
you know, talk to their coaches, like the amount of
work that they put into these prospects and the amount

(26:32):
of investment that they must have. To Evan's point, it's
it's fascinating because you imagine that there are whenever they
make a pick, there's going to be a cross section
of people will probably are pissed. Like there's probably a
few people that No, I didn't like that one. You know,
whether it's build taken over or not, there's always going
to be I think that kind of because even you
see it with us, like you know, the punditsary, I.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Get to imagine it's like you know, your former career.
You know, like when you debut a show. You've worked
all all these months and months on the show, the writing,
the directing, the acting, and then you actually see it
on the screen, you know, and that's what like draft days.
You've done all this work and now it manifests itself
into the picks that you actually make. You know.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, the funny thing about that is that you're totally right.
I mean it's such a process, and I mean I
still don't know how anything actually makes it to the
air with how hard the process is at every step
of the way in entertainment, publishing it, or you know,
putting a TV show together. It's just everything is a war.
And then it premieres and you get those first numbers
of how it did, which you know is so much

(27:34):
more reflection of Okay, the team gets out there and
they play and maybe they lose, but it's not just
an entire reflection upon this one little thing.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
And that was always so interesting. You know, how much
of your leading.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Did you hold? What was it like at the end, Well,
how did the show after you do those kind of things.
The immediate feedback you would get, Yeah, you know, we'll
get a little bit of it at OTAs, I guess
and kind of you know, get a little bit of
a sense. But it's it's hard unless we were talking upstairs. Yeah,
they get a receiver, you're gonna.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Be like, hey, OTAs, let's go.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Let's see how the quickness is. You know, last year
with cold Strange, it was like, I don't know, he's
out there, right, he's a left guard? All right?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
There it is.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
We were also talking about them just being a little
bold in this draft, and I feel like that's something
that as much as I like a lot of the
tackles in this draft, it's not that that's a that's
a safe pick, right, that's to get it on the fairway,
you know, tires on a car. Like you like to say, dude,
like that's what that pick is. Where at this point

(28:29):
in the organization's rebuild. I feel like they need to
be a little bit bolder than that. Like I think
tackles and things like that are just you're not you're
not swinging the pendulum far enough, if that's what you're doing.
So I've really gravitated towards corner. I feel myself as
the days get closer, feeling like, all right, if they
can get a revis a Gilmore level guy that just

(28:52):
shuts down his assignment, how big that is for the
whole structure of the defense. And then obviously the receivers
like those are the two position is that it really
feels like that's a splash, that's something that's going to change,
potentially change, but it's bold. You know, there's a chance
that that receiver might be a bust. It's a chance
that Zay Flowers can't play. I don't think that, but
there's a chance, you know, And I think there's maybe

(29:13):
a little bit more of a chance at those spots.
And let's say tackle, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Think corner is your safest impact pick. Wide receiver would
be your boldest impact pick, and then tackle is your
safest yeah pick.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
And then I throw edge in there as like kind
of the dark horse, And to Evan's point, like, maybe
if you believe one of those edge guys is you know,
because you could probably theoretically get the second best guy
I would guess after Anderson, might you know, could possibly
be available that if you really feel like, hey, this
can be a game changing three down edge for us
and we know exactly where we could put them, then

(29:48):
I like that's one that will be a little bit
of a head scratcher for a second. But I think
after that you'd say, all right, well, if they really
believe that jo Don's getting a little old and wo
j is what he is, if we can get another
three down kind of I like that who can do
it all? Then I think that that could be worth
it two. But otherwise, one of those four positions, it
feels like if it's off outside of that beaten path,
I'd be very surprised.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
If you want to get bold. And I've been kicking
this around since they've been meeting with all of these
edge rushers and bringing them in for visits, and if
they want to get me back on board, which is
the most important thing, right that's all that matter. If
you want to get me back on board and me
saying that they're playing chess again. You draft the best
available edge at fourteen, and then you package josh Uj

(30:32):
in a trade for a wide receiver, Like that's that's
like how you really go about that? In my opinion
level is that that's the four and D chess that
they used to play, right that they know that they're
not going to pay josh u j long term extension
because he is this one trick pony pass rusher. So
they go and they get Nolan Smith, or they draft
Tyree Wilson or Miles Murphy or one of these top

(30:53):
edge guys, and then by the end of day too,
you have Miles Murphy and Jerry Judy on the roster
with your first two picks in.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
The draft, which is like versus Ouch or Ze Flowers,
you know, like like exactly right.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Those are the types of things that I I with
them meeting with all these edge guys. I'm like, oh,
maybe if they do love one of these edge rushers
so much that they feel like they have to take
them at fourteen, maybe then j becomes a trade chip
that they can use because he is a valuable young player.
Like getting guys that can put up double digit sack
numbers in the league nowadays, is a valuable commodity, even

(31:27):
if he is just a pass rush type of play.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I mean, I know he's not von Miller, but like
that role that Buffalo brought von Miller in. Like I
could see a team saying, he's not von Miller, but
this is, you know, that kind of guy. We could
come in and be that closer.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
You can make the case that you know, had they
had von Miller not got hurt, they might have been, yeah,
going further than they did. All right, eight five to
five Pats five hundred is the Ace ticket Hutline web
radio at Patriots dot com. It's the email address. Let's
get to some of the listeners. We'll go to Dominique
in New York on the Ace ticket hut Line. What's up,

(32:00):
im an Ache?

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Hey, how a y'all doing?

Speaker 2 (32:02):
All right?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (32:04):
Good good.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
You were mentioned a little bit earlier. We know Matt
Jones obviously is in Bill Belichick's favor right now, and
there might be intrigue at least in the draft to
look at different options. You were mentioning Will Levis, but
I was wondering and to kind of get your thoughts
and feels on this is. I know you have like
Ndon Hooker, who might go round three out of Tennessee,
a little bit older, but you know people are pretty

(32:27):
high on him. And then you have Adrian Thomas Roberts
Thompson Robinson out of U C l U C l A.
Do you think, I don't know, it's even worth maybe
even looking at and picking up one of those guys
with the later picks maybe or onward. Is it even
worth it just to look at something maybe in the
drafts opposed to externally, which I think is unlikely.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Yeah, I mean I do said up plenty of times.
I just I think it's just good business. Thank you
would always you know, not every year, but I would
just about I would take a shot.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
What do you think of the kid from Stanford McKee?

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I mean, he's you know, big, I thought Paul would
like him two blood though, but you know, kind of
a big throwback guy. I think dtr he mentioned him.
I mean, that's get somebody who's a little different, you know,
somebody who can who can provide value at least as
a practice squad member getting ready for all these mobile
quarterbacks that you have to see. So I'd like that
part of it. But you know, Jake Hayner was a

(33:21):
guy that won the Senior Bowl. You know, m v P.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
Scrappy, you know, little scrappy guys.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
But just not unprecedented that the Patriots have four quarterbacks
on the roster. They've done it.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Before now And I mean ZAPPI, I mean, who knows
what what the guy they just they brought in, they draft.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
The quarterback with the high picked, then they're just gonna
cut mcsorly the next day. Yeah, like that, I don't
even think it's worth bring mc sorely to camp at
that point.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
But he's kind of a mobile guy, right, Like, Yeah,
that's like.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
The one thing he's good at is he can run
around a little bit. But uh, with Hooker, Hooker is
the third round. Like he's gone well before the third round.
He's gonna be a top fifty pick in the draft.
But I'm not sold on Hooker at all. I think
that he's a player that a just tours ACL in November,
so he's out for his entire rookie season and he's
got a long way to go. That Tennessee offense is

(34:09):
very gimmicky. It's very it's a spread offense. They run
a bunch of different, unique, very very unnfl like things.
Their progressions are really just one read in a progression
or in the balls out, so he's not reading the
full field. He's coming from a weird offense. They play
with a ton of tempo, a ton of spacing, things

(34:30):
like that. And he's twenty five years old and he's
coming off of torn acl So I just think there's
a lot of things against that pick to me that
I just don't really make much sense of it. I
think he could have a chance to sneak into the
end of the first round. You know, he's somebody that
has the raw physical tools that somebody could convince themselves
that he's the next Jalen Hurts or the next one

(34:51):
of those types of guys I like DTR. I think
that he's more of a of a dart throw. At
the end of the draft, I compared him to Tyrod
Taylor when we did quarterback, So I think that there's
a little bit of a value there. But I'm not
a big hooker guy.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
All right, Let's go to Patty and Ago on. What's up?
Patty Loo's up? Guys?

Speaker 8 (35:08):
Hold on, let me take you out boluetub real quick.

Speaker 7 (35:12):
And expect to get picked up so quickly. So when
I say, I'm kind of with you, Evan, I want
to see them be a little bit aggressive. You know,
if let's say at twelve, if Christiana Zalez is there
and you know the Texans aren't going to be taking
another cornerback. I mean, and if you've really liked the guy,

(35:32):
why not move up and take them and another guy
that's really intriguing the more time goes by, is man.
I think Darnel Washington would would be a real great
fit in this offense because, like you guys have said,
they don't have that kind of player on the team
right now, Like this big mauling blocking tight end that
has a lot of upside that could be a you know,

(35:53):
that could possibly potentially be a big receiving threat in
the passing game. Yeah, and I'm just excited. You know,
this is one of my favorite times a year. And Fred, Yeah,
the draft shows generally are our a plus every year.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
That's good, thank you, And that's all I got. All right, thanks, Patty.
Very exciting. All right, let's see, let's get to some
of these emails, Tim writes in Our Friend from Duncan.
He says, for Evan, sounds like you're high on Will Levis,
So hypothetically, would you take Levis at fourteen if you
were able to get a second round pick for Mac.

(36:27):
I wouldn't do it myself, but curious what you would do.
I also agree that draft shows are a must listen
second round for Mac.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Huh, I'm gonna call. I'm gonna take a cop out, admittedly,
but I just don't know enough about Will Levis the
person to make that call.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well, Barth just tweeted out that I guess he was
a training camp here and yeah, he's from Cannelly and
at four I didn't realize with some good pictures of
little Will Levi's here at camp.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Yeah he's from Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
We'arn a Brady Jersey.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
I don't know if you're telling me that all of
the intangible stuff checks out. And he has a great interview,
and O'Brien's on board, and he's got that that factor.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
You know.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
I was listening to to Bill Pollion talk about their
meeting with Peyton Manning before the draft and in that draft,
and he said that Peyton told them if you draft me,
I'll see you the next day and Poleon said, well,
there's NFL rules that you can't you know, I think
it's five days after the draft that we can't bring

(37:32):
you in for workouts and for five days after the draft.
And Peyton said, figure it out, you know, I'll be
there the next day.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
He's a rare breathe.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Right, And then there you also mentioned that Peyton. It
felt like Peyton was interviewing them, not the other way around.
And for a guy at the top of the draft
like that, you can understand you're going where you want
to go. Hey, this ain't about you know, anything else really,
and uh, it's like.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
John Elway, I'm not going on the court, right.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
I'm not saying that that Will Levice needs to be
like that wow me. But that type of mentality that
you know Brady had the same thing, that hunger and
that drive. If he's got that, then I would be
on board with taking him in the first night.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I mean, I'm gonna say it this way. I think
Mac deserves another year. I don't think that he got
you know, a fair fair treatment last year. I think
that he is deserving of another chance this season. But
that said, if you don't believe that Mac Jones is
going to be the answer of taking down Josh Allen,
you know, and you feel like, all right, well, we're
going to tread water for a few years with his kid,
and he'll be okay. He's not going to lose us

(38:39):
any games. He's probably not gonna win as many games too.
There's something that's appealing to me of saying, look like
we're stuck behind the bills right now, we have to
kind of do something. But are we ever going to
get there?

Speaker 5 (38:49):
With Mac?

Speaker 1 (38:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
A I agree with you that he deserves another year,
but I'm not getting a guy in the first round
unless I absolutely love him. It's not just because I
don't I don't have one hundred percent confidence in Mac.
It's because I can't miss on this guy. I gotta
get him. Short of that, I'm not wasting a first
round pick on a guy who's a maybe.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
If this is another kind of middling season from Mac,
even with you know, with Bill O'Brien there, it still
kind of looks like maybe at best twenty twenty one.
I think next draft this would be a real conversation
for me of saying, look are we are We just
gonna try to make it happen with Mac or are
we gonna finally maybe just make a decision. Look, it
might it might blow up, It might blow up in
your face. You might not be able to get him

(39:31):
to be that Josh Allen guy. But at least you know, hey,
if this guy does happen to put it together, we
might really have something. We might actually compete with the Bengals.
And like I just I have a real hard time
right now imagining, no matter what you get around Mac,
that this offense is going to be able to be
on that level. You know, unless they find a dynamic
playmaker guy that just kind of changes things like Gronk.

(39:53):
Did you know those kind of guys, it's just do
it alone.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
I have a hard time thinking that they think that.
And if they don't, I think that if they don't
think that Mac can get them to where they need
to be to compete with the Bengals and the Bills
and the Chiefs and all these top teams in the AFC,
then every single day that goes by, you're just wasting time, right,
You're just spinning the wheel. And to me, that's why
you bring Will Evison. I would also say that maybe

(40:19):
they should be bringing in Anthony Richardson at this point
because one of those two guys is is gonna fall
within range. Like, I'm not saying that they're all gonna either.
One of them might fall away to the fourteen, but
somebody's getting picked at the end of the top ten, nine, ten, eleven,
somewhere in that range. I mean, Justin Fields was eleventh overall,
and it's probably a better prospect coming out than those

(40:40):
two guys. But if you really feel like Mac is
not it, then wasting more time on developing Mac is
a road to nowhere, right, And That's where I'm at
with it.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, but I like, I guess, you know, obviously they
know a hell of a lot more than we do
about Mac. But I can't believe believe that right now
they think he's not the guy. I gotta believe that
they think that if we get everything right he gets right,
we can win with him, you know, but we'll see

(41:13):
action speaks louder than words. Richard writes in about will Levis,
to quote Simon from early American idol, It's a note
from me. Will Levis has no drive and desire. He
didn't play in his team's bowl game in the Senior
Bowl for a guy from a small time football program,
he didn't take those opportunities to show his talent on
a big stage.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Okay, well, I mean it's I mean one of the
things I liked about Mack was that he went right
after it, after his Alabama season ended, he went to
the Senior Bowl practice for a couple of days, had
two throwing days. I mean, I've always really admired those
things about him. But you know, to Evan's point, I
don't know enough about will Levis the guy if you're
willing to make that investment in him. But I think

(41:56):
next year a guy like Will Levis could possibly be
a little bit more of a Maybe this is something
they should really consider.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Opting out of a bowl game is the least to
my worries when it comes to these things. I mean,
Jackson Smith and Jigba basically just opted out of his
entire season last year. And I don't know if the
emailer is out on Jackson Smith and Jigba or a
couple of years ago when Jamar Chase opted out because
of COVID, like we don't like Jamar Chase now, or
how many guys just don't play in their bowl games, right,

(42:22):
I mean just that in itself too.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
I don't know that just who cares?

Speaker 5 (42:27):
Yeah, unless you're playing for a national championship.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Right then the car's car friends stock.

Speaker 5 (42:34):
Is Look I get it though. I mean, you know,
Bryce Young played in the Sugar Bowl and he tore
it up and killed Kansas State in that game. Was phenomenal.
So it can help your stock if you play good,
but it can also credit your stock if you play poorly, so.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
You get hurt.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
But there is something you know to be said about
the guy who accepts every challenge and every opportunity, and
you know.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Thrives on competition. Se cell competition.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, Michael writes, and he doesn't say where he's from.
Eric would not like that. Why all of a sudden,
is there no need for a stand up linebacker? Bentley
is average? And who is the other starter? Any guys
in the draft? You like?

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Bad draft for linebackers?

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I mean, I just I mean, as much as this
isn't going to be what you want to hear, I
think they're I think they're pretty set there. I mean
I think they might maybe take a third day flyer,
camra Groan, probably a special teams type guy. But just
because it's not what we want is not doesn't mean
it's not what they want. I think they love Juwan
Bentley or you know Mayo talk about him already. I
think they really like to Vay. I mean, I think

(43:36):
I was surprised by Tavai mac Wilson, Ray Kwa McMillan.
I think that they're they're trying to develop this group
and they're trying to build some continuity with it. I
just don't see the need lining up as much as
you know, a guy like Drew Sanders, I do think,
you know, maybe in a perfect world would fit in
their defense and could be useful. And there's probably a
few of those guys, but it doesn't move the needle

(43:57):
enough for me overall on the defense, and I think
they like what they have and how they're gonna do
it with those guys, mixing them with all the strong
safeties they have.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Chad in Atlanta, I'm not sure if you talked about
the Patriots will lives. You know, we just did talked
about the visit. But even if the visit was for
strategic purposes to check out a potential opponent, which I
don't buy, it isn't a good look for Mac in
my opinion, unless they let Mac know about the visit beforehand.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Oh he's not a baby, Like, come on, this is
the NFL. Like, you can't. I mean, if they're having
a call Mac Jones every time, they're even gonna like
bring in a rookie quarterback to look at like he's
not long for this this league.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Well it is a little different though, because he's a
He's a rookie quarterback projected to go in the first round.
You know, if when Brady was here, they brought in
a guy who was a first round talent, Brady wouldn't
have liked that.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
I can tell you that in a good way.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I mean, he didn't even like it when they drafted
Garoppolo and he wasn't even first round.

Speaker 5 (44:49):
You know, I think Brady has earned the right to not.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Lie absolutely, But I'm still saying that whether or not
Mac has earned the right. Oh, man, I.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Hope he can't.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
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Speaker 1 (45:03):
I'm getting I'm getting Sophie now, Like, oh, Mac.

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Did you see this? They got will Levi's coming in hock.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
This will outstand how she's in my impression I heard
that sort of. That's it interesting.

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All right, We're going to take a break and we'll
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we'll be right back after this.

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Speaker 2 (53:45):
History's let's hear what Pat Nagawam has to say about
the pick You're on the ace sticking outline, Pat, I
can't we have nice things?

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Hey?

Speaker 7 (53:53):
Ed, I'm hitting up the river with a boat and
a pedal note pedals, and I'm handing them beat down?

Speaker 1 (54:01):
There is it?

Speaker 2 (54:01):
High?

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Tide or low tide.

Speaker 9 (54:03):
It's load tid, but you've gotta make sure you don't
want to run a ground in the river.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
It's never been in a river.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
He has no idea where tides, you fat head.

Speaker 15 (54:12):
No, I know they do, because I need to know
whether it's tigh tide or low tide where I If
it's low tide going going in the ocean. You don't
know the difference between the river and ocean. And it's
embarrassing for somebody who's different entire life. It's an embarrassing,
idiot that you haven't own up as a rich kid
on the cave and never learned anything about the water
around you are. It is an embarrassing You should just

(54:34):
go home.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Thanks Pat. About five minutes later, there.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Is a tide.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
No, yes, there is.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
There is no tide chart for the Quabbin River.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
I don't even know what that is.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, because you're an idiot, No, there's no.

Speaker 15 (54:49):
I'm not the one saying blanket statements.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
That are absolutely there's no tide chart for the bat
and Kill River. I don't know where any of these
rivers are there.

Speaker 15 (54:56):
If they are close to the coastline, they all have
massive tides. Three to four foot, three to four foot
tides every six hours. All right, three to four foot
tides every six hours. It changes a little less than
an hour every day. I know how tides work. You
need to know how tied.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Andy A river doesn't have a tide. You guys are morons.
This is unreal.

Speaker 14 (55:15):
Whoa whoa?

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Alright for something that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Don't look at me.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
I'm not involved in this whatsoever.

Speaker 14 (55:22):
I have no idea about like like, I've never I
got myself up PEPSI like.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
This is I did not drop in the US. We
drive on the left side of the street.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
No, we don't.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Like there's facts.

Speaker 15 (55:32):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
That's not why the draft shows are great. But yeah, hot,
oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Did something happened earlier on the show that got him
triggered because it seems like he was ready.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
He thinks he knows everything the draft. I got it
all right back here in Patriot's unfiltered eight five five
past five hundred is the ACE ticket hotline. Web radio
at patriots dot com is the email address. Caleb, who's
from Knoxville, of course, says, as a Knoxville native, I've
watched every snap of every football game under the current

(56:09):
coach here at Tennessee. Evan is hands down incorrect about
Tennessee's offense having no progressions and receivers running nothing but
go routes. Every receiver on Tennessee's offense has three plus routes.
They always have the option to run based on the defense.
Hooker was touted as being one of the best decision
makers in the nation last year due to all the
progressions he has to make every play. I really don't

(56:31):
understand how having your quarterback make multiple decisions through their
progressions every play is gimmicky.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Cause that okay, that just couldn't be more further from
the truth. Well, he watches every game that I think
the biggest thing is is that like people associate progressions
and decision making with interceptions, like if guys don't have
big interceptions numbers, that means that they are these really,
really good field processors and things like that, which Hooker is.

(57:00):
That's fair. Hooker doesn't throw many picks and he doesn't
put the ball up for grabs. They have three routes
that they could run on an on any play. They
have conversions on their vertical routes, So if they have
a conversion at the top of the break at about
twelve to fifteen yards where they make a decision. Am
I going to run a post? Am I going to
run a goa? Am I going to run a corner
or a fade or something like that based off the defense.

(57:22):
But it's all vertical routes right, whatever way you slice it.
I don't even think I ever mentioned go routes. But
whatever way you slice it, you're running a vertical some way,
shape or form. So their offense is the nature of
their offense is not a full field progression offense, and
the route conversions that they run or are just vertical
rout conversions that pretty much every team has in their playbook.

(57:45):
Thank you for the email, though.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
You go, Caleb, I don't know. I got a feeling
we're going to get another call or email from Kleb.
But uh, let's go to the Ace ticket upline. Chris
is in Scottsdale. What's up, Chris?

Speaker 8 (57:58):
Hey, guys, how you going good?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Good good?

Speaker 8 (58:02):
I joined the show a little bit late today and
heard about the Will Levis You know snippet of the
Will Levis discussion. Is he coming in for a visit
or something.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
According to the report. According to the report.

Speaker 8 (58:15):
Got you, got you.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I haven't seen him, but.

Speaker 8 (58:19):
You know, if I have an opinion so much on that,
I don't think that. I think that's just due diligence.
I don't think we'll be drafted him or anything. I
wouldn't mind drafting him over Jones for sure.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
But why do you say that?

Speaker 8 (58:30):
Just why do I say that? I think it's a
draft now?

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Why why do you say you would you'd like to
draft him? Why do you say that?

Speaker 8 (58:39):
Because I just think that he has more potential than
Jones in terms of physical ability. Uh, he's more to
you know, match the NFL game today, Fred, you know,
compared to Jones being sort of the immobile, not that
he can't move what the lever, but again he's he's
in line with with sort of yesteryear in my opinion,
you know, reading due and if you're not going to

(59:01):
do that well and if you don't have enough strength
behind your throws to squeeze it into the windows in
the NFL, you're you're really limited, right, I mean, I
don't even think that's arguable.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Okay, so you're looking at that high ceiling and right, right,
all right.

Speaker 8 (59:17):
And I have an off season question. So who's there today?
Who's on the panel today?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
It's just Deuce, Evan and myself.

Speaker 16 (59:25):
Okay, so this is produce. Deuce has our Hollywood correspondent,
so to speak. Why do you what happened with with
the old show The Office that used to be one
of my favorite shows. Do you think that they disbanded
and split that up because of like movie career opportunities
and they just couldn't stay cohesive or did it just
have its run or you know what's your thought?

Speaker 8 (59:46):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah, I think it just had its run. I mean
it went a while, right.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
Yeah, you get the ten seasons.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Yeah, you get the ten seasons.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
I don't think there's you're asking for much more.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Nine seasons. Yeah, that's Ten's usually the magic number when
when all the producers then make all their money and
in selling the shows off into syndication, which is that's
where the big bucks are.

Speaker 17 (01:00:07):
But were you show yourself?

Speaker 8 (01:00:09):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
I was a huge fan of the show, and I
mean I I you know, not to be all this,
but I love the British version first, which was what
you know, Ricky Gervais did, which was brilliant. And then
when I heard that they were making the remake of this.
I was. I think I was just maybe my first
or second year working for the production company, but I
wanted to get on the show so bad. I love
the mockumentary style, like going back to spinal tape, Like

(01:00:30):
I've just always loved that that style, and I was,
I was desperate to try to get on that show.
I don't think I tried hard enough obviously, But yeah,
my son's watching it now, so every morning it's on
our TV, so I get to relive all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
But I think they should have had one show because obviously,
like the premise of the show is like someone's filming them,
you know, like do a show about the crew that
was filming them, Like, like what they think of this
office that they were assigned to to cover for ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Less season of the show?

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
What pretty much less they did that they did?

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
It incorporated him at the end, they actually did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I don't think I watched the last season. I think
I always kind of like the mystery. You didn't even
know what they were actually shooting.

Speaker 8 (01:01:12):
Remember remember the and and again. Because it's off season,
we had the latitude.

Speaker 18 (01:01:16):
To talk about something like this.

Speaker 8 (01:01:17):
But but well, you know, do so, and I'll get
off the line here so that we can keep moving.
But remember duc and you can tell part about this
or or we could share this together. They had that last,
well one of the last episodes where Pam was attacked
by the guy that ruined her mural with painting butts
on her mural. Uh and and the the camera guy
like saved her from because she painted his trunk over

(01:01:40):
like to vandalize this truck.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
In response, I was out of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I saw that one. I don't think I saw the
last because I think it kind of jumped the shark
a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:01:49):
For me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
It is for me, yeah, yeah, yeah, with.

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
Like Will Ferrell and all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yeah, that came, I know it all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
That's why.

Speaker 8 (01:01:59):
Yeah, they for indulging me on the off season snippet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
There no problem.

Speaker 8 (01:02:03):
Yeah, and you guys enjoyed the show off force. Paul's
missed whenever he's not there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So all right, thanks Chris.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
Oh wow, I love the the British version so much.
The big Hollywood's over there, like, dude's got to remind
me of the British. I like the American version better,
the purest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
No, the American version did end up being better. The
pilot was a total rip off of just what the
BBC version was, but it's uh, the guy who was
Dwight is this character Gareth that is just his own unique,
weird brilliance as well. But a lot of it, a
lot of it is very similar. But it's a great show.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Also, Pam's the worst. Pam's like Pam, Pam is the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I didn't really care all that much either.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
Pam is honestly, hands down one of the worst like
TV characters in terms of, like if you actually look
at her story arc and how much of an a
hole she is to everybody in her life, like she's
She's just not you know. It's one of those things
were like, She's supposed to be this sweet, you know, secretary,
nice girl, and then you actually, like so you were

(01:03:06):
engaged and then you clearly were cheating on your husband
to be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
With Motions with the new guy, and then.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
You know, you threw him away to go to art
school for like a year. I know, I like this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I like the Evan.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
I think he really likes the problem.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
The first girl that Jim was with before Pam.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Oh uh yeah, yeah, you know, Casey Jo and Brashida Jones.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Yeah, yeah, and like breaks that relationship up when he
was actually happy with Rashida Jones. But just you know,
Pam's got to get hers, so breaks that relationship up.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
I'm going to throw this to my son today. See
what he thinks about this, since he's in the thick
of the office right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Yeah, Pam is bitch. I'm bitch Chris and Virginia. My
bull takes are there will not be a cornerback or
a wide receiver in the first two days, and if
they don't make the playoffs next year, then Bill will
not be the coach in twenty four ps. I love
the Evan edition, especially this time of the year with

(01:04:05):
the draft. So he's saying the Patriots will not pick
a cornerback or wide receiver of rounds one, two, or three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
I would I would be pretty bummed out about that.
I'm not gonna lie. I think those are two positions
along with maybe tight end, that I feel like they
can't miss out on in this draft, just for the
long term needs. I mean, I guess I would listen
to an argument with receiver. I wouldn't like it, but
you know, I could listen to the fact that, Hey,
there's not gonna be a slot who's gonna come in
here and be the guy right away? I guess. But

(01:04:35):
if you don't get a cornerback on a tight end
from this school, from this class, I think you're missing out.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Alex and Charlotte had a quick question for Evan. We
can agree tackle, cornerback, and wide receiver are the major
needs this year, but edge and linebackers can be a
secondary need later in the draft. I know Bill has
been hesitant to add small or more athletic linebackers to
the team, but a while back, Evan mentioned about how
Bill in a way came up with the moneybacker position

(01:05:03):
that we see Dugger play and occasionally as a hybrid
safety linebacker. Could this be a way for Bill to
flirt with the idea of having a smaller linebacker or
have or dive deep down or is this diving too
deep in the rabbit holes exactly?

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
Well, I think that the problem is I should phrase
it that way. I think that his argument is based
off of his actions, is that he would rather give
up that, let's say ten pounds in weight to have
a more dynamic coverage player. So the higher, you know,
the prototype at linebacker. Now the Fred Warner is the

(01:05:40):
two thirty two thirty five linebacker that can cover and
can move in space and things like that. I think
Bill looks at that and says, would I rather have that?
Or would I rather have Adrian Phillips, who is a
coverage guy by instinct, you know, and by trade, instead
of trying to make it happen with a linebacker who's
a little bit heavier. That's why I think that they

(01:06:01):
have all these safeties, Like I think that's why they
have Dugger, and that's why they have Phillips, why they
have Peppers, is because they feel like, well, we're giving
up in a little bit of size is worth it
because we're getting a more dynamic coverage player.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
The dialogue between Evan and Caleb continues. Caleb counters. He says,
agree to disagree, Evan, You're absolutely correct about the variations
of the deep routes to run. However, I hard disagree
that they primarily run deep routes. Only Jalen Hyatt and
Princeton Fant have some of the cleanest catches running a

(01:06:35):
curl En route or slant in the middle. I never
mentioned inter separ ratio with Hooker. I said he was
touted as one of the best decision makers, which he was,
But hey, I'm not the professional who watched two hours
of film between Hooker, Hyatt, and Tillman. Just the guy
who's seen every snap they've put on the field in
the sec OK strenuously.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Do me a favor, Go read Caleb about the Art
Briles Baylor offense and the history of that offense and
the progression res for quarterbacks and things like that, because
that's the offense in Knoxville right now. It's the Baylor
offense from yesteryear that lit up college football with Art

(01:07:14):
Briles before all that went up in flames. So that's
the offense that they're running. It's not a progression full
field read offense. Just isn't like that at the core
of it. It's that's just not what it is. They
do run some quick game concepts. I'm not saying everything's
a go route, and I don't even think I said
go route. They do run some quick game concepts and
some RPOs that I guess could lend themselves to some

(01:07:35):
of those slants and ins and things like that that
he's talking about. But the nature of the the art
Briles Baylor offense is a one read type of offense,
and that's that's a big concern that I have with Hooker.
That's it. Thank you, Okay, thanks for the emails.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
There you go. Claire Rights in Hello everyone, Hello Marine,
Hello Marine. I have no question, but I'm just writing
to ask if you guys would please please give a
show out to my buddy Hutter. It's from Manchester. He's
a huge fan of the show. But you already know this,
and it's his birthday weekend, so could you please wish
him a happy birthday? Now? People have weekends now weekend birthday, Yeah,

(01:08:12):
week the whole weekend is devoted to you.

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
Oh yeah, sounds.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Like I just want to I just wanted to get breakfast.
That was my thing. Oh no, that I need a
good breakfast and a good dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
But anyway, happy birthday, Shutters.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Happy birthday for.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Whenever it falls.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
Happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, the whole week would be nice. It's the month
of deuce.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Now as we get to Ori, it's fred. I just
I hope my birthday just falls by the wayside and
people leave me alone for a day and I can
eat what I want.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
That's pretty much my hopes for Okay. Speaking of shout outs,
Barton Poland says Doug Kayite is one of the best
Patriots reporters out there. Unfortunately his daughter has cancer. Yeah,
so if anyone is willing to help and support his
daughter and his family, there's a go link on gofund
me set up by his friend on Doug's Twitter. So yeah,

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we were talking about that before the show. Really tough
his daughters too, I believe. So yeah, if you feel
like you want to support, go to Doug Kaites Twitter.
It's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Doug's a great guy, I mean, and he's like Evan
and me. I think he was one of the like
any Patriots draft bloggers like two thousand and seven, two
thousand and eight, he's, you know, somebody who started this
like we did with his passion A long time at
Nelson was a pff but he's he's a great guy.
It's it's I mean, it's I want him more around
because I think he's a great you know, member of
the media here in New England. But yeah, if you

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guys can can help him out at all, definitely, he's
a great guy and could use it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Bart also says he's talking about Dane Brugler's beast, and
he's got a seven round mock for the Patriots, and
he believes it's one of the best that he's seen
for the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
See about that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
He's got Broderick Jones going in the first round. Then
Josh Down's wide receiver out of North Carolina. I mean
that's the second round. That third round, Clark Phillips the
third cornerback out of Utah small, So he goes o
T wide receiver, cornerback for the first three picks. Then
he goes defensive tackle Byron Young out of Alabama. And

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then with the he's got two more fourth round picks.
The Patriots have Blake Freeland another tackle, this one out
of b b YU, Dylan Horton, edge rusher out of TCU.

Speaker 8 (01:10:22):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Then he goes to the sixth round. Elijah Higgins wide receiver,
tight end out of Stanford. D Winters, linebacker out of TCU,
Alex Forsyth corner winter a center out of Oregon.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
Yeah, the Oregon centers of interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Alex Forsyth, Kenny McIntosh running back out of Georgia in
the sixth round, yep in the sixth round, and Kavon
Merriweather Safety out of Iowa, last pick on the seventh round.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
I definitely think that some of those guys are going
to be guys that are interested. And I'm with you
on Clark Phillips though, do five eight small line. It's
how many more of those can we possibly have? But
McIntosh is saying running back prospect. If Dan has him
going in the sixth round, then maybe the league is
a little bit lower on him than some of the
consensus points that I have seen. I've seen more like

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fourth or fifth round. But he uh, he's just like
that classic like Ben Jarvis greenellis just gonna not fumble,
get the yards that are there, run tough between the tackles,
finished runs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
Here for four years, Yeah, than gone.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
Yeah, just not going to do anything flashy or special.
But he's a solid rotational back, so I can see
them interested in him too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Floyd has issue with me. He's out of Redford, Michigan.
He says, Fred, I like you, but a couple of
your jawd male discussions bothered me. At a time when
the NFL needs more African American coaches and general managers,
you seem more concerned about discussing Steve Belichick please see below.
When word came out about Girod Mayo having a schedule

(01:11:52):
interview with the Carolina Panthers for potential head coach opportunity,
you brought up his title, his job title, and what
he actually does. But if Steve Belichi Check ever came
up for a head coach opportunity, would you bring up
his job title and what he actually does? To be fair,
maybe you would.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
I when it comes to Gerard Mayo, I just don't
know exactly what he's done. I'm sorry, you know, that's
just it. You know. That's the problem here is like
he's kind of like you know, been all around the place.
And when it came to like just recently, like now
he's assistant head coach, what does that mean? What does
it mean? And I've always said, like, okay, you get

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the interview as a head coach. My first question is,
you know, Gerard, what is it that you've done that
makes you believe that you, you know, are ready to
be a head coach.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
I don't think he thinks he's ready to be a
head coach off of his commerceation the other day.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
That's the thing, you know. And he also says on
Tuesday's recent show, someone brought up Girard Mayo talking and
somehow you redirected the conversation with Steve Belichick again. I
was surprised that he was talking on behalf of the
defense because now he's assistant head coach, and I thought
Steve would talk on behalf of the defense. You know,
That's all I'm saying here. It's not it's it's not

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Girod's fault. It's like how they've handled his role here.
You know, It's like we just don't know, Like we
hear that he's the guy that presents the defense in
the meetings. What does that mean, Like, who's the guy
that decides what the defense would be week to week?

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
Belichick?

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Well, okay, but like so so, then exactly what is
Girod doing?

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
I just don't know exactly what is any of that
staff doing. Ye Like, not to say that none of
them are doing anything of value. I'm not trying to
say that, but that's my biggest thing with Gerard, with Steve,
with Brian, with Mike Pellegrino, go right on, at least.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
We on game day, you see Steve calling the defense.
You see, all right, he's play calling. He's calling the plays,
you know. Okay, Gerard's Mayo's name has been in the
news as possibly being bill successor, which to me as
an African American, is a big deal. But instead of
leading the discussion that direction, Steve Belichick was somehow brought

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up again. I don't know, you must have missed the
shows where we talk, like, you know, for a long
time about Gerrod being the successor. So I don't know,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
I don't think there's really any comparison to what Gira
Mayo and Steve Belichick are doing right now, like I mean,
I think, I mean, I think it works well as
a partnership and you see them always together. But even
what we just kind of speculate about what we know
is that he is the team guy. He's talking to
the team. I mean, Steve is probably in the game
calling the plays, you know, but if you had to

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look to a leader of the defense, it feels like
it's JIROB. Mayo. I'd also just point out DeMarcus Covington,
who coached down at the Senior Bowl. He's another rising
African American coach here in New England as well. That
I mean, as much attention as GIROB Mayo gets, I
think DeMarcus Covington is another guy that deserves some of that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
And he finishes up, he says, may I ask, why
do you bring up Steve Belichick's name during GIROD Mayo discussions?
Because they're tied to the hit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
They are they're always together, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
They're always together. And I think part of the issue
is is Bill wants to have Steve as the DC.
But maybe it's perception, you know, the whole thing. But
like I liked Geron Mayo's great, you know, like he's
he's a smart guy. But whenever I ask people, okay,
like what has he done to show that he's been

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a head coach? A head coach you know, can be one,
Like well, he worked at Putnam and he went into
the business world. So I don't want to hear that anymore.
Like and and again this is Bill's fault, Like we
don't know exactly what Gerard does here, and maybe he
has behind the scenes proven that, wow, this guy is
head coach, timber, but like we don't know that, Like I,

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you know, there's no evidence that I have of it
except for you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
No, But but all we can speak to is what
we've We've been in his presence and spoken with him,
and I mean he has everything. Oh he possibly wants
to lead your team to leave your franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Yeah, we're told that he definitely has leadership qualities, you know,
and that's great. And like, if you're gonna tell me, like,
between Steve Belichick and Gerard, who's the next head coach,
It's going to be Gerard Mayo, no question. I mean,
there's not even a question there. Steve Belichick is miles
away from being ready to be a head coach. And
you know, but like the reason why those two guys

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come up in the conversation is because they're both kind
of doing the same job.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
They're playing catch before every practice out there together like
talking to also.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Like as just outsiders looking in, we've for the last
few years we've been trying to figure out who does
what when it comes to the defense, and I thought
this year would be the year where Gerard would kind
of be elevated above that and really be truly an
assistant head coach and Steve would be more just focused
on defense and Gerard would be more getting the experience

(01:16:54):
I need to be a head coach. So one day,
I'm with special teams, I'm hanging out with the offense,
I'm with the I'm with Bill, I'm with Bill O'Brien
and with the court. You know, like he's doing kind
of all of it. I thought he would do more. So,
like so when he was representing the defense in that
recent availability, I was a little surprised, Yeah, because I
thought he was above that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Now you wonder if he was more involved in the
draft process this year. I mean, these are all things
that would happen behind the scenes that we would have
no idea where he's gotten, you know, all new access
this spring that we have.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Right you know, you know when McDaniel's famously said Bill
is going to open up his world to me, that's
what the picture we had is draft room. You know,
all the things that Bill does, you know, and I
figured this year Gerard would be kind of doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
He did mention scouting a couple of times that he
loves to scout, and so maybe he has been watching
a little bit more film on some of the college
guys and helping out in that regard. But in terms
of what he does from everything that I've gathered, it's
like I said on Tuesday. It's a lot of the presenting,
a lot of the forward facing stuff, right, he's kind
of the face of that all you know, what's it

(01:18:01):
in restaurant world, like the guy that's yeah. And then
I think the other thing is is that because he played,
he has a really good teaching side of him out
on the practice field where he can say to Juwan Bentley,
you know, why don't you try attacking you know, his
outside hip and then maybe you know, throw the hand

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here or whatever, like he can get into the real
nitty gritty of the techniques that they're using, and they're
coaching from the schematic x's and o's side of it.
I'm not entirely sure how much of it that he's
really doing, But as a head coach, I think that
you are the CEO of your team absolutely, and I

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think some of the things that Drod does are actually
more important in terms of grooming for a head coach
than being one of these guys that's like a wizard
with a play sheet.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Well, you know, we were told like when he was
a player that he was a mini bill. You know,
he like he was in early outlay, watching film, just
eating it up, just loving it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
You know, I think too.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
I mean, we don't know exactly, you know, how it
gets sussed out, but the product on the field these
past four years defensively has has been really good. I
mean just I know that they've had their shortcomings against
some of the better teams, but just as far as
game planning, I mean, he talks so much about game
planning defense, and I love talking to him about that
stuff sometimes during the coach's availabilities. But I think it's
a great reflection just upon you know, we know what

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happened with the offense last year. You haven't seen that
drop off schematically from the defense. And I know that
that probably comes from Bill and that you know, Steve
as I hand in it as well. I'm sure with
the play calling. But I just like that direction of
how they're continuing to handle the defense. And I think
if they can, you know, just get a couple more pieces,
I think they could really really, you know, get to
that next level.

Speaker 5 (01:19:43):
Yeah. Absolutely, I think defensively, the reason why the Patriots
can roll out of bed and still win eight games
every year, even with the offenses and shambles spin that Dome,
is because they have his level of sophistication on defense.
It's always going to exist as long as Bill is here,
and I think that's really where a lot of that
defensive prowess comes from.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Kyle and Pembroke says, I think it's a little ridiculous
to keep comparing Mac to Brady and saying, well, Brady
earned the right. Belichick stunted Max's development as a player,
threw him under the bus, and is responsible for the
Patriots being mediocre. Mac has been through more than enough
in his past year to justify being upset, and it's
not something he has to earn. Mac deserves a chance

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to show he can be the guy, which I believe
he can be if he's surrounded by a football team
and not a circus.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
Wow, there's some Do me notice Fred that there's there's
some angry people.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
You know, like if we're you know, very if we're
getting people riled up, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
That's not our you know, that's that's not necessarily our goal.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
No, it isn't. But like you know, everyone has their opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
People coming after us personally.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Some people listen, come on, we're out there. We got
to be able to take it. Williams and philam on
the ACE Ticket hotline. What's up, Willem, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
All right?

Speaker 12 (01:21:03):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Uh?

Speaker 17 (01:21:04):
To the uh, I guess to the caller your I
guess the last caller? Was it or was it an
email that you read?

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
I just turned in a little bit too late.

Speaker 17 (01:21:11):
But I just want to say, also, like to what
he's saying to where he's not coming at y'all, because
I don't have no problem with.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
Any of you.

Speaker 17 (01:21:20):
You know, we all have our fans and stuff, and
I think y'all a hell of a podcast basically, first
of all, so that's why I always call him and
what not. But you know, just Bill, Bill need to
just put his stubbornness to the side. Okay, Mac moved on.
You need to move on as a clean but you know,
you come on like you know, we're supposed to be.
It's about the team at this point now. I mean,

(01:21:41):
you know that was then and now, so can we
just move on? You know, it just seemed like he's
still gonna hold this grudge, you know, because he went
over your head and whatever like that. Okay, I mean,
just can we just move on at this point?

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
I hear you, and I think that's what they're doing.
I think when Bill O'Brien talked last week, you know
he mentioned or this week he mentioned a couple of
times clean slate, clean slate, and I think some other
maybe another coach mentioned it as well. That's coming from Bill,
you know. So at some point, if he hasn't already
done it, he has to sit down with Mac and

(01:22:17):
say listen, yeah, clean slate. Forget about last year. We're
moving on. So I think I think you're right, William,
that's what they have to do.

Speaker 17 (01:22:27):
Yes, I agree, And uh, just one question for Evan. Evan,
so what do you think of as two bide receivers though?
And do you think we can get any one of these?
Maybe between the fourth I guess maybe a third and
fifth round, between third, fourth and fifth round. Jonathan Mingo
from Ole Miss and also Rice for a week.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
What you think that's your guy?

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Yeah? I like him. I like him. I like him
late though. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
So Mingo is a really fun prospect six foot three,
two twenty with a four to four forty. He's got that,
he's got that aj brown build right where. He's thicker guy,
but can can run. I think that, you know, the
Old Miss comparisons and the size and the speed gets
a little bit of AJ Brown type of buzz. I

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don't think he's as good as AJ Brown, but I
think he's got a similar skill. I can get up
the field. The speed really pops off the film with him,
Like when you watch him run across the field or
on a vertical route, he can really test the defense
with his speed. And then he's got that rocked up
frame that he can bounce off tackles and run through
tackles as a yeah guy, he's not a separator though
at the top of the route. He's not a quick guy,

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and he's gonna have to use his body as a
shield and box guys out to make you know, catches,
horizontal cuts and catches underneath the defense. But I'm fascinated
by the tools, like you know, the size and the speed.
You're not a lot of guys that are two hundred
and twenty five pounds that are running a four to
four like that doesn't really exist too often. Bryce Ford Wheaton,
I'm not as high on him as as Fredden and

(01:23:59):
as who loves it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
He's six three two and he runs a four to
three eight.

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
Because I didn't see that, I didn't see four three
eight on film. Okay, I also I didn't. He's stiff like,
he's not a very fluid mover. He's just looks like
a little bit heavy footed. I was really surprised at
how good of his combine was. I gotta be honest
with you, based off of what I saw on tape,
it might be one of those guys that's just really

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really good in that environment at the combine, but doesn't
really translate the football fast. Maybe I'm wrong on him,
but I didn't necessarily see his dynamic of an athlete,
the slow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Track in the a sec. There you go, slow track?

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Trust all right?

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Thanks William like mingo though, Yeah, I just checked our lads.
They have Ford Wheaton going in the fifth or sixth round.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Yeah, sounds about right.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Yeah, he'll get drafted with that combine for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:24:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Let's go to Alex in Toronto. What's up, Alex?

Speaker 18 (01:24:55):
Hey, how's it going good?

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:24:58):
I love the show. I just think the comment on
the draft, I think they have to go, you know,
offense in the first round at wide receiver tackle just
to give Max the help, and then I think you
go secondary in two and three. Love Darius Rush out
of South Carolina and Brown from Illinois. I think he's
a He's a great option for them for a mccording replacement.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
Okay, I'm assuming you mean Sidney Brown more of a
box safety than than a mccordy guy. I like kwand
Martin the other safety from Millinois a little bit more,
and he's somebody that can be a little bit more
of that center fielder and translate to the deep part
of the field. But both guys, both those Illinois safeties
can play. I just remember Jalen Petrie. That's who Sidney

(01:25:43):
Brown reminds me a lot of. Is more of like
a line of at the line of scrimmage type of
blitz cover tight ends a little bit playing the box.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
The more I think about it, though, I just I
don't see them taking a free safety, like drafting a
free safety. I think it's more like the thing we
talk about with like Moss and Ringo, you know, taking
a corner. We're not sure where he fits. If he's
smart enough, we'll get him into the defense, and then
maybe eventually he ends up there. But I just don't
see there being like, hey, we're gonna draft a Day

(01:26:12):
three free safety type who's gonna step into Devin McCarty's
role and play that. I just I got a real
real hard time seeing that. I think it's more likely
you take an early corner, plug him into the lineup,
and then you're just kind of figuring that out with
Miles Bryant and Jonathan Jones and you know that that whole.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Group, because don't forget, when they took mccordy, it wasn't
as a safety right, so.

Speaker 5 (01:26:30):
They had to move him over there, and you know,
I mean, but I've set up before.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
I think that's what stands out to me most about
the twenty twelve defense was just it was bombs away
against them starting that Seattle game to Tavon Wilson, they
get kind of stuck with a bunch of his strong
safety types, and that, you know, was kind of the
reason why mccordy ended up back there. I do think
it's very important. I just but it's such a headsy position.
I don't think it's one where he's just so talented
we're gonna put him in free safety. I think that

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that's more about does he have the mind for it? Okay,
then he'll be able to do it. It doesn't have
to be like we have to get a game changer
right away right to replace them.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
Yeah, I guy like Ringo fascinates me for that that
type of thing, just that speed, and then also his
you know, he's built, built really well, so he's gonna
be able to lay the wood too if you come
over the middle. I think he can play corner two
in the league, but his transitions are a little stiff,
and he has trouble sticking with guys at the top
of their route. So maybe he move over to safety
and he doesn't have to cover guys like that on

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an island where they can beat him on those cuts.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
So it's got the range.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Yeah, you know, let's go to Matthew in New Mexico.
What's up, Matthew? Oh, he's gone, all right? Matthew hung
on Hunter from Campbellsville, Kentucky. Oh, right's in. I'm not
out on Mac Jones yet. However, if Anthony Richardson or
Will Levis fall to us at fourteen, I would gladly

(01:27:49):
take them. They are both raw, but have all the
physical tools that Mac just does not have. Otherwise, my
dream scenario is to take either in the first round
Flowers or Addison in this second round trade up for
Dewan Jones in the second, trade back into the second
for either Gibbs or Washington.

Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
He's been listening to Alex Barth.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
If we are gonna stick with Mac, it's vital we
surround him with talented playmakers to get the most out
of him.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
That's a question for the group. Like I one of
the things I struggle with is knowing exactly what side
they need to tackle for and if right tackles are
worth left tackle project projections, you know, Like, I don't
think anyone's gonna fault them for taking Paris Johnson, Broder Jones,
even Scronsky if they really think he's a left tackle.
But as we get into like the more of the

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right tackle stuff, like how important is that now?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
And I know that that it's less about your left sides,
your passing side, your right sides you're running. I know
teams are more balanced than that now and tackles have
more value on both sides. But I just wonder, is
it really say they trade down in the twenties, is.

Speaker 5 (01:28:56):
That worth a right tackle?

Speaker 12 (01:28:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
There?

Speaker 5 (01:28:58):
Is that like a critical Like I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
The left tackle part of it, I just don't know
if you put the same measure.

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
On a right tackle, and is that just I think
it depends on who your quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
I think it really I think the more mobile your
quarterback is, the more right tackle comes into play, even
if your quarterbacks are writing because he's moving around.

Speaker 9 (01:29:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Like historically left tackle has been the most valid because
it's the blind side. You know, your quarterbacks sitting in,
you know, and you got to protect the blind side.
But like what you know, like if a guy's mobile,
what's your blind side? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Yeah, I just I don't know this is everybody talks
about tackle. I just don't think that there's enough kind
of delineation. I mean we talk plenty about well he's
a slock corner. Is that you know, that doesn't really
fit exactly what they need. They got a lot of
slot corners, but everybody just kind of lumps the tackles in.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Particularly in this team. Versatility has always been an attribute
like that they look for, you know, the more you
can do. They always like guys who can do more
than one thing, unless you're like elite at that one.
They like guys who can, you know, do different things.
And I think that translates even to wide receiver. I
don't think they, you know, high, would draft a guy

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who's just a slot guy. You know, I don't think
they do that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
Yeah, and I think that that's archaic. But I think
with the right tackles.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
You think that that nine set's archaic. Yes, you should
be able to Well how good does he have to be?
Though for you to take the guy if he can
do just one thing?

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
I think there's a difference between him playing in one
spot and being able to just do one thing. I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
You know, like a slot like Zay Flowers who can
run routes at all three levels, but is probably going
to run him from inside. That's still a pretty versatile player, right,
and you can still move that player around and you
can still have him attack different areas of a defense.
I could understand, like a guy like Jackson Smith and Jig,
but is a slot who's really a first and second

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level player. He's not somebody that has the speed to
really test defenses at that third level down the field,
So maybe he's a little bit more pigeonholed into a
skill set. The right tackle left tackle thing is fascinating though,
because it's in the past they've always put the bulldozers
on the right side and then the guys with the
dance and bears on the left side. Is that still true, Like,

(01:31:17):
do they still believe in that those types of archetypes.
Because Trent Brown has played left and right, but he
played left last year, he played left in eighteen, and
he's not that athletic, Nate Soldier type of tackle. So
it is interesting to see where they go with it.
I think in this draft too, the left tackles are

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at the tip tip top of the draft and then
in fourth round and on and then in the middle
or all the right tackles. So if you don't take
a tackle at fourteen that can play on the left side,
you're probably not taking a left side tackle until the
fourth round. Now at that point, what are you getting

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a guy that can play in a starting role or
are you really just looking at more of a swing tackle.
So if you don't take that left tackle early, now
we're getting into Darnell Right, Dowan Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
You know, it's like, and I'm sure that there's been
some mocks with Darnell Right going at fourteen, and I
just I wonder would they if they see him as
a right tackle maybe has to move inside kind of
a guy to them, is that not worth that fourteenth
overall pick? That's just way too soon? Or even you know,
Dewan Jones, is that like, what point is too early
for a right side only guy? If at all?

Speaker 5 (01:32:33):
I don't and I really love Dewan Jones and Darnell right,
but I think the other thing that you have to
think about is if Trent Brown's the other tackle, you
don't really have a ton of athleticism at tackle now.
So if you want to run toss schemes, stretch schemes,
things like that, who's getting the corner? Like, you're not
either direction. So that's why guys like Paris Johnson and

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Broderick Jones makes so much sense for them if that's
the direction they want to go and.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Put Trump back on the right sie. It just gives
you something different through the athleticism on the left side
of the young kid. It might be some you know,
some growing pains, but I mean that that makes sense.
It's just it's hard to see when all right, we
got Dewan Jones, now we have Dewan Jones, Trent Brown,
some other old right tackles, Calvin Anderson, maybe you know,
has some sympt about but it's just it seems like
a lot of big, immobile kind of guys and I

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don't I just I think you get kind of stuck.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
I mean, Calvin Anderson would certainly be the most athletic
guy out of that group, So maybe he's somebody that
you project on the left side. But then you get
into the whole blind side thing. It's like, if do
you want how much do you really trust to Brodert Jones,
who's a little raw as a past protector, protecting the
blind side for a pocket passer, you know, not somebody

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that's going to be able to escape it on his
own necessarily. It's it's a fun conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
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a few weeks ago, and I've gotten it once a
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Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Head up yesterday. Actually, oh yeah, yeah, I got that
was one of my one of my birthday one of
my birthday present, twenty five dollars gift.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
Card of Jersey Mike came around.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
My family knows me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Let's see Cole and Eugene Oregon, Evan told us, all
of us on PU fans to shut up and stop
complaining about the lack of weapons on the team because
the Patriots are having talks about training for a receiver
like d hop or Jerry Judy. Any chance that's going
to happen before the draft is over? Or was that
just snarky reply and totally baseless?

Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Oh see I said this This was like week Yeah,
that was I think like you scold everyone to, you know,
because it was like the complaining.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
It was day two a free agency.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
But now in hindsight where their complaints valid.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Talk to me in a week.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Oh, you're still saying there's hope then, of course Judy
hasn't always hope.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Howkins done? Look like you want to come here? Budes?
Technically that was interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
We need to talk about that. Help now. Who was
the person interviewing because that was an interesting way of
getting an answer.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
It was one of the busting guys.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
Yeah, it was one of those guys, like one of
those player podcasts so.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
People can see it. They asked, you know, Hopkins, like
where you'd want to go or if you'd want to
go to a certain place, and you weren't allowed to
say anything. So Hopkins can only buy body language say
whether or not he'd want to go there, and the
body language for the Patriots was not good. It was
like nah. And then Kansas City and the Bills, obviously

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with two great quarterbacks and contenders for the Super Bowl
the last few years, it was like, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
I mean yeah, I mean, I'm sure he has some
respect for Bill Belichick. But if you're at that age
in your career, you really are picking where you want
to go, you want to probably go to one of
the teams you're going to be. You know, you've got
an immediate shot. I mean that's yeah, I don't hold that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
But that was that was interesting. It was a clever
way of doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:51):
That's where you're at. Though. Guys like Hopkins, guys like
Odell they don't want to come here. They don't want
to come here. They're not going to come here at.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
The will if you pay him, I don't know they
will if you if you pay him more than anyone else,
they'll come here.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
I think Bill still has you know, some cachet. I
mean Juju talked about you know, but it's look, you're
one of the also rants right now. It's not a
destination and until you start you have those teams you
gotta do.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
Guy like guy like Juju, you you pay him more
than anybody he comes a guy like Hopkins that has
all these suitors and is probably gonna get paid regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Right, So if money's if money is the same, then
you go to a place where I get where do
I have the best chance?

Speaker 5 (01:36:37):
But how much how much money? Like how much above
the market do you really need to be because I
don't I think the days of just being a couple
million dollars above market, like that's not I don't think
that's going to cut it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
Guarantee how much guarantee.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
You don't, Yeah, it's I mean, I think you're right.
It's guys like Kendrick Bourne that you know. It's that
extra one or two million that you're offering that no
one else says. It's not about like the high end guys.
But that's the same thing as Juju. You know, it's
probably the best offer he had. I'm sure to Kansas City.
I think I saw Kansas City was interested at least
maybe they.

Speaker 5 (01:37:10):
Tried to bring him back, but the Patriots outbid them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Yeah, let's see. Cole also says my priorities for the
first round of this draft are corner and tackle. We
can pick up a wide receiver next year when the
crop is better, and they'll be developed by the time
we trash Mac Jones and replace them with a quarterback
with less Toddler attitude and more talent. Oh wow, these
Patriots fans.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
He wants Marvin Harrison junior.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
Yeah, I'm not sure the talent that much better.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Paul and Norwood mass right down the road. I would
agree with the notion that in today's NFL of running
back it's typically not worth spending a first round pick
on what if the Patriots or another thing. But see
Bejean Robinson as more of a dynamic offensive player the
next Debo rather than the next se Quon. While Bijon

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only had sixty receptions in three years at Texas, Deebo
only had twenty five carries in four years at South Carolina.
Imagine the stress that an extraordinary athlete could put on
a defense trying to match personnel when you don't know
if he'll be lining up in the batfield, out wide,
or in the slot. Admittedly, this would take a projection,
but if Robinson is a superior athlete, to the other

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skilled position players. Wouldn't this be worth consideration?

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
He's a running back.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Yeah, he's a running back, And I mean we could
maybe talk that with Gibbs, like you know that he's
more of a weapon kind of a guy if we're
still using that term. But so the what's the path
with Bjon? How do you have to beat teams every week?
If that's your offense? What has to go right every week?

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
And everybody always people that use the devo comparison. The
Jaguars tried this with Travis Etn. Urban Meyer drafted Travis
Etn thinking that he was going to be this like
slot slash running back, hybrid offensive weapon. It's like, then,
just go get a slot receiver, Like why are you
trying to make a running back into a wide receiver

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when you can just draft a wide receiver like that.
That's the part of it that I don't really fully understand.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
So I feel like they get so much in their
own heads and they're like, well, they're gonna match us
with base personnel, and then he's lined up on a
linebacker now, and that's how I even try to you know,
I just you're overthinking it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:17):
It did definitely because the amount of times that a
package that a team puts on the field really forces
twenty twenty three defenses to put base personnel. It's like
very few and far between it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
Yeah, Jake and Bendigo Australia. Just wanted to say how
disappointed I was when listening to the end of the
running back draft reviews. Oh no, it was said there
would only be one more show and it wasn't about
special teams. One of our big holes right now and
no show for it. Get Alex barth In and let's
find out which punters we should be taking.

Speaker 5 (01:39:52):
Oh yeah, good email.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Yeah, sorry, you don't.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
Want to do an hour on Adam. I mean he
said it was from Australia. Oh that's what he's getting at,
isn't it. That's what he's getting He wants his assie talked.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
About Ryan and Lincoln Nebraska. I'm in the same place
as I always am this time of year, anticipating the
draft with twenty players I really like, yet knowing that
Belichick will select none of them. Ultimately, I feel we
end up trading down in the first day for two picks,
and I'd be fine with that. What are your thought
thoughts that the that the play being I don't know

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what that means. Trade down a target branch with the
first round pick. I feel Belichick will lean toward the
defensive side of the ball come the twenty eighth. Love
all the content, Appreciate what you all do.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
I just can't rule that that branch pick out, like
it just seems completely redundant and isn't going to really
move the needle what they need. But you know, he's
an Alabama guy that plays, is probably gonna be like
a strong safety type guy. I hope, I hope it's not.
But I, like I said, I can't ignore him. It's
just because he's he's really good.

Speaker 5 (01:41:01):
Yeah, if this was two years ago or three years
ago with Kyle Duggar.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
You know that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Adam and Arlington Virginia says Hopkins won't come because he
and Bill O'Brien hate each other. Did you forget what
happened in Houston? You can't discount that, Like, does he
still hold a grudge there?

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
I don't know enough about it too.

Speaker 5 (01:41:19):
I personally, I don't think it's the biggest reason why
he won't come here, but I think it's a factor.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Yeah, I do. Let's see James Pettigrew the most interesting
Patriots fan of the world. Rights in rank in order
of likelihood are positioned in the AFC East at the
end of the season. Here's mine from most likely to
least third, most likely, and then it goes down to fourth,
second and first. So he's saying most likely.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
Third, most likely, third.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Yeah, that makes sense. I think they they, you know,
jump over Miami, but the Jets are going to be tough,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
Assuming it happens. Yeah, I'm still waiting there, right, yep,
maybe we get Ad.

Speaker 5 (01:41:59):
That's so Jets to have that fall apart, so.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
It would be so Jets, and it'd be so Jets
for Belichick to go grab him like, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:42:06):
They're still holding on TI, I am. I appreciate telling
you I appreciate the commitment.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Next week at this time, two weeks from right now,
let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Kyle from Pembroke says, I apologize if I came off
as coming directly at you guys. I'm just tired of
hearing Brady being brought up. Whenever Mac is being up,
is upset, Mac being upset is brought up. No quarterback
compares to Brady. Ever, Mac Jones will never be Brady,
and that's fine. I just want to see the Patriots
move forward and be successful. I think you guys do

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an amazing job, and I enjoy listening draft question, so
I don't waste your time. Who do you want most?
Zay Flowers, Darnell Washington or Gibbs Say Flowers, that's easy.
Everybody's a Flowers.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
I mean, I you know, I got I mean, I
love Washington. I mean I think he's fun to watch.

Speaker 8 (01:42:54):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
I do have real questions though, just if he's ever
gonna be an athlete? You know, like he just doesn't
look like a natural. I mean, now Washington, the big
tight end from Georgia, I mean, he just never looks natural.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
You know, he's like fair to and Bartha isn't here
yet to hear this. I wish he was. Is it
fair to say Darnel Washington's getting a little overrated?

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
That's what I'm getting at.

Speaker 5 (01:43:14):
That's what I'm getting at. Like he's really big.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
And long and and and certainly has value in the
blocking game. But I just, you know, I just is
he ever going to be a natural athlete in space?
Who's gonna shake loose from guys in and get open,
and you know, I'm sure he'll make hundreds of contested
catches because he's got that kind of size and body.

Speaker 5 (01:43:31):
But I just the more I watch him, I'm like,
he's the number.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
One tight end. I'm like, like for what like? Because
I think some of these other guys might move the
needle as overall players, even though he's got this incredible
size and link that you know no one else has.
Is I just I think there might be a handful
of other tight ends in this class that are more
well rounded players than he is. And we're all kind
of enamored with.

Speaker 5 (01:43:54):
The biggest upset of the combine was him running that
forty because he's a he's a strider.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
It's just not he's not natural.

Speaker 5 (01:44:03):
He builds. He's a train, right, he builds up to
that speed. I was absolutely shocked that he ran as
well as he did in the forty, and he came
in a little bit lighter than I think what he
played at Georgia. So I think he just put it
all on the line to get faster for the months
leading up to the combine. And you see why this
is why, right, what we're talking about, because he's just

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not like you said. He's not sudden, he's not quick,
he's not an instant accelerator off the line of scrimmage.
He had forty five career catches at Georgia, and now
we're projecting him to have this massive leap where he
is an eighty catch guy in the NFL, right, And
I just I can't get there. I don't know if
he's got that type of natural receiving talent.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
I don't Josh and Dallas, I was wondering if there's
a chance of Patriots trade down and then use that
pick to get a receiver like Judy. Most agree that
pick number fourteen is too much, but if they trade
to the end of the first round, they would at
least recoup a Day two pick. Not saying it's going
to happen, but have you heard the Jets might do
something similar for Rogers since they don't want to give

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pick thirteen away from him.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
For him, Oh so trade down and then said, yeah, now.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
We'll give you first because it's lower. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:13):
I mean, I think we've said it a few times.
I don't think. I don't think anybody's going to be
that upset if there's a little trade down. I think
trade out of the first round we probably would Riot,
But there's a lot of really good players that fit
them in the twenties that will still be there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Uh bet, Brian from the Bay Area. Is it possible
the rumors that the Patriots were shopping mac Jones was
because they were trying to find out his value in
case Levis or Richardson fall to them. They would want
a trademark if they picked up one of those guys.
I mean, it's not out of the question.

Speaker 1 (01:45:47):
Yeah, but I mean, but I don't really know. But
do you really need to call around to find out
his value? Like, don't you think they probably know what
his value is? You know, I mean I'm speculating. I
don't know what do you think is value is like
a third or fourth rounder?

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
Oh wow? Do you think I get a second round
pick for him?

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
See? There you go? I guess right now, right even
in this room, you better call around to see what
his value is.

Speaker 5 (01:46:10):
I think that the problem is is that it's it'd
have to be a team that feels like it needs
a young quarterback in the room, but doesn't get that
quarterback in the draft and didn't take care of it
in free you know, right. So there's that's I think
where the value comes into play is that how many

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teams actually fit that description? A team that needs a quarterback,
didn't get it in the draft, didn't get it in
free agency. There's got a maybe one or two teams
fit that. Are the Raiders going to trade for Mac
Jones when they just signed Jimmy G. Like they give
Jimmy G a ton of guaranteed money, but Jimmy G's

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a starter there in twenty twenty three based off the contract.
So there's just not a ton of teams that fit
that exact description. So you could be right, it might
not be anywhere close to what they would want.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Let's see Robin is Call writing in from the Catskills.
He says to me, the perfect draft is to trade
down in the first, trade up in the second. I
think I already read this coming away with Darnell Wright
Deontay Banks. Is this realistic?

Speaker 5 (01:47:18):
What do you think Dante Banks going in the first round?

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Yeah, I mean evan.

Speaker 5 (01:47:22):
Top top twenty five, I bet at least yeah, good player.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Okay. Let's see Raymond from Saint Louis wants to know
would you take two corners? In the draft, one early
and one in the later rounds.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
Sure, sure, but I also don't think they have a
huge numbers issue at corner. Like I just I'd love
to be targeted. I'd love to just get like, just
get Deontae Banks, you know, and then I'm good, you
got you know, Jack Jones, Marcus Jones, Brian, I mean,
you've got a lot of bodies there. Now, I don't
know a good uh you know, fifth round corner is like,

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you know, unless it's this potential safety development or a
guy that you could see maybe on the back end
of the defense, but specifically targeting to like long corners
to that, I don't know if they need to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Colin and Rutgers rights in, Mike, I saw your big
board now it included Rutgers punter Adam Korsak, And I
just want to put on record that I am all
for drafting Corsack, as sad as it is to say,
he was by far the most talented player with uh
Pachico Gone. I also noticed that Bill was at Rutgers

(01:48:38):
coaching Clinic event speaking with coach Jiano this past weekend.
I'm going to consider Corsack a lock to be your
next punter.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
I I feel pretty good they're gonna draft a punter
this year. Like that seems like one of the like
if there were you know, I don't know statements of
fact that you believe. I think drafting a punter, I'm
not not as sold on a kicker, I think, but
and I think they could just u DFA probably both
those spots, but I think they'll probably take him or what.
Turk's the other one that made.

Speaker 5 (01:49:05):
Turk is the one they worked with at the Shrine Bowl.
He's got a big leg. He's one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Lefty it's just an oversized leg.

Speaker 5 (01:49:11):
That's a bar question.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Uh likes the left left footed spin.

Speaker 5 (01:49:17):
Corsic is interesting though, because he he's got is Turk
lefty barth No, not a lefty. Corsic is interesting because
he has multiple all those clubs right, he can kick
it Assie style, he can kick it American, you know,
traditional punts. I that's kind of fun. I don't know,
punters not fun normally, but that's kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
Like what do you want today?

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
What you like?

Speaker 5 (01:49:42):
I don't know. Maybe it changes it up on the
returner and like all of a sudden you have this
line drive Ozsie Rules punk coming at you and you're like,
what the heck do I do like this?

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
It's like a punk troll. He just he's going to
give you a screwy punt every time to do I
like it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
It's like a picture, you know. I've got five punts in.

Speaker 5 (01:49:59):
He said, I have different clubs that we can do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Out Hey, Marcel writes in I'd like to ask Evan
what he thinks about Isaiah McGuire out of Missouri. I
like him as a stand up edge player to sit
behind Judnan while also pushing out Jennings for snaps. Early on.
His Senior Bowl was pretty underwhelming, but I thought he
had one of the better tapes against Broderick Jones. He
was also Maszoo's sack and tackle for Lost Leader for

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two straight years.

Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
Yeah, that's that's the tape him against Broderick Jones. I
thought Broderick Jones was a little bit better than some
other people in that game. But Isaiah McGuire definitely showed
you a little bit of something with his hand fighting,
in particular against Broderick, which is one of the issues
exactly like that. One of the issues that Brodick Jones
has is in his technique and his pas sets. So

(01:50:45):
I like Isaiah McGuire is like a fourth, fifth, sixth round,
you know, somewhere there on day three. That's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
He's a good one who's like you're going through the
PFF thing like Isaiah McGuire. Those guys that are always
just always sitting there doing a mock draft.

Speaker 5 (01:51:00):
I just I look at this edge class and there
realistically could be like nine or ten guys in the
top fifty at that position, and I just feel like
they might just want to come away with one of
those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Okay, what would you rather do? Stay put at fourteen,
pick whoever you want, but or trade down get Zay
Flowers later and pick up an extra second round pick B.
You'd rather do B? Yeah, So there's no one at
fourteen that you would like?

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
No, if we can, I mean there should be. I
mean I think, like you know, and if we're real
football talk.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Like yes, I'm not talking about like somebody project the
top five the falls, I mean someone realistically at fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
But but yeah, I would probably I would probably do
it just for the excitement and the potential of and
it might only last until July and then we'd be like, oh,
we really don't screwed that one up. We should have
taken one of those left tackles or one of those
stud corners. But you know, I talk about going out
there on that Friday after the pick, going out there
and see z flowers, like it would be electric. Everyone
will be really fired.

Speaker 5 (01:52:02):
To be a little worried. He think I'm stalking him,
but I swear I'm not. But they're not gonna get
a second round pick in a trade down, I don't
think unless they trade way down. So I don't know.
That's a last year. It was the Commanders, and I
can't remember the team that they traded up with. They

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one of the teams went from eleven to sixteen and
they got a third and a fourth back for that move.
So that to me, I think if you're thinking about
trading down from fourteen to let's say nineteen twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
Like you're not getting a thirty something.

Speaker 5 (01:52:40):
You're not getting a second round pick out of it.
Could you get another top one hundred, probably, but I
think you're looking at more like a package of third
and fourth or like a third this year and maybe
you get that second next year or something along those lines.
But just getting a straight up second round pick and
the math doesn't work out there, and.

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
Then it gets dicey if you're talking about, well, we're
gonna trade down to thirty or five and then maybe
but still it's those.

Speaker 5 (01:53:04):
Small trade downs, right that that I think. I looked
at the what was traded last year, last couple of years.
ESPN actually puts it all in one one sheet for you.
I looked at that and I was like, I think
it'd be generous to say that you're going to get
a second round pick for a small trade down.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Was those those three what is the three fourth round
picks I think that they have?

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
Is that?

Speaker 8 (01:53:24):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
Like? Those are the ammo in the you know, to
get back up. I think in the second round.

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
When they traded up for Barmore, they went from basically
the same exact spot. I think they were like forty
six to thirty eight or forty five to thirty eight
or something like that, and they gave up two fourth
round picks to get back up into the thirties.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
That's the move I think, to me get somebody at fourteen,
then go up from from forty six and get into
the thirties.

Speaker 5 (01:53:50):
Maybe to get somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Okay, quick trivia game. These are all regular season stats
taken from Pro Football References site. First question and as
Damon Hewart, David Gibbons, and this player are the only
three Patriots of the early two thousands to attempt to
pass but never complete one. Damon Hewart never completed a
pass in that seems weird to me.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
I was going to say Viny Testaverdi just the random
guy who but I think he completed Oh yes, right,
the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
He's not a quarterback. Troy Brown. Troy Brown. The Patriots
have their most wins against the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins.
Who do The Patriots have their fourth most wins against
the Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Correct, somebody? They played a lot?

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Colts Corey, Dlon, Garrett, Blunt or Blount, as will say
in this player, are tom Brady's only running backs with
more than twenty five rushing touchdown Patriots rushing touchdowns Blunt, Dylan,
tom Brady only running backs with more than twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:54:58):
Antoine Smith here long enough?

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
Uh, maybe not the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
I mean Ridley had a lot, but not that one.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
He didn't fumble a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
It's a clue.

Speaker 5 (01:55:12):
Then it's Jarvis Greenell.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
What is the one team the Patriots have only lost
to once? What is the only team the Patriots have
only lost to once?

Speaker 5 (01:55:26):
The Jacksonville Jackuars.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
That's correct? Ever, Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
So hot game.

Speaker 5 (01:55:32):
Who says it first?

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
And then Evan says? Who has more interceptions as a Patriot?
Sante Samuel J. C. Jackson or Fred Marion? God J C.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
Jackson fred Marion?

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Fred Marion is correct? Uh few more? Who has more
punts as a Patriots quarterback? Bledsoe or Castle?

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
Punt punts? I'm gonna say Castle because I don't remember
bloodsoever punch.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Castle's correct? With one week seventeen couple fifty seven yards.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
That's pretty good role. But they're not expecting Remember that
went against ten then versus kept rolling.

Speaker 5 (01:56:09):
That was when we used to flip the bird to
the team on the way behind.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
What percentage of the league do the Patriots not have
a playoff win against? This is hard one. Yeah, what
percentage of the league do the Patriots not have a
playoff win against?

Speaker 5 (01:56:26):
I mean it's kind to be close to fifty because
there was NFC.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
Don't you only get to play them in the I'm
going to say forty.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
Forty point six thirteen teams.

Speaker 11 (01:56:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:56:39):
And finally, who had more sacks as a Patriot? Dominic
Easily or Tommy Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
Oh god, Tommy Kelly.

Speaker 8 (01:56:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
I mean I remember Easily playing a few games. I'm
gonna say easily.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Tommy Kelly two and a hay Verse two.

Speaker 5 (01:56:54):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:56:56):
I was looking at their their first round picks from
the last ten years, and we talk about it as
a recent thing, but they they went, I mean, it's
been a long time, like Dominic Easily, Malcolm Brown, like
those picks are in there too, with you know, the
Nikhil Harry's and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
Easily was a terrible pick. I mean, yeah, I'll never
forget the day he walked out for his you know
thing with the crafts and his knees were knocking together,
and we're like, this guy ain't gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:27):
Yeah, you know, right then, I think that he's he's
worthy of. I don't know if they did like a
thirty for thirty Patriots bloggers, that would be worth the story,
because for some reason, that was the worst kept secret.
Like everybody, like Jerry Horton still takes laps about like that.
But we were everyone knew, Like I feel like everybody
had a source that it's going to be Dominique easily,
Like everybody nailed that pick. And I mean I got

(01:57:49):
it at the time. I saw what they were going for.
It's just, you know, an explosive interior who gets off
the ball like you wouldn't believe. But yeah, he couldn't.
He couldn't maintain his acls.

Speaker 2 (01:57:59):
So yeah, all right, that's gonna do it for this
edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Well, hold on, Matthew and you
can talk to the guys on Catch twenty two because
they're coming up next here on the Patriots Podcast Network
Catch twenty two with Evan and Alex Barth. They'll be
talking draft I believe, uh so maybe just a little bit.

(01:58:22):
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