Patriots Unfiltered 4/25: Possibilities at 14, Aaron Rodgers Trade Reaction, Potential Draft Day Trades

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Lads, our lads, Our lads.

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Our lads report today of a certain quarterback on campus.

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Yeah, we'll leave us and we'll leave.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Let's say the name correctly.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
And I'm getting Sophie now, like, oh Mac, did.

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You say this? They got Will Levi's coming in.

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This will outstand.

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But I'm not a big hooker guy.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Caleb is gonna tell us why Evan is wrong about
hooker tennis huckers.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
You can kick an Aussie style, you can kick it American.
That's kind of fun.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Like, what do you want today? Might I'll go whatever
you know? Oh yeah, something happened earlier on the show
that got him triggered, because it seems he.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Thinks he knows everything.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
Pam is honestly, hands down one of the worst like
TV characters. And you were engaged and then you clearly
were cheating, breaks that relationship up when he was actually happy,
and then you know, you threw him away to go
to art school.

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Him is bitch.

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Bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
This is Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2 (01:22):
All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at ji Lette Stadium. But more importantly, it's Draft week
finally that's coming in two days on Thursdays. So we're excited.
We just had another one of our draft meetings. Make
sure everybody's ready, rolls and responsibilities. More importantly, food gets ordered,

(01:44):
so we're ready to go. It's Deuce, it's Evan.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Paul's back, glad to be back.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
From his vaca, a little bit back from his vac
used the sunscreen, very smart, and we got Deuce. We
got we got Matt and the boobezeus No, Alex and
Tamarow they're upstairs.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
They're busy.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
They're busy.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
You couldn't get them down here.

Speaker 7 (02:05):
I think they knew that this was like the last
draft show and we'll probably gonna be this is Evan's
time to shine. Where we put all the hay in
the barn and sum it all up, and I think
we're all just well.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
We will be talking to draft obviously, but you know,
there is some other news out there that we have
to address. Aaron Rodgers, it's official they've come to terms
the Packers with the Jets, and he is going to
be in the AFC East. How do we feel about that? Not?

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Great?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Great?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
I wouldn't Mike no.

Speaker 7 (02:36):
I mean it's I mean I would say, like, hey,
it'd be kind of fun to see Aaron Rogers twice
a year.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I mean that's you.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
Know, jumping out of my Patriots work slash fandom for
a second, Like all right, that's nice.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
But and and I'll say one other nice thing. It's
nice that the Jets aren't picking right before them just
for superficial purposes. Like I like that that was the.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Jets were picking thirteen. Now they've moved to fifteen, and
now Green Bay is picking at thirteen.

Speaker 7 (03:00):
Might change nothing, but you know still but yeah, it's uh,
not what the Patriots need. I mean, it's just another
example that their backs are up against the wall this year.
I think it just puts more of a spotlight on
this draft and you know, finding some I think, as
Evan said, we recorded our final draft podcast this morning,
and I like Devan's point of just saying like I
don't know how you put it.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Exactly, but like you need like a splash, like.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
You need something like Jets fans today feeling pretty good
like they got Aaron Rodgers, like Patriots fans could use
something like that. I know that that football doesn't want
to hear that, and they're all about, we're gonna be
methodical and we're gonna pick our guys and we're gonna
do what we do. But I do think that that's
an underrated aspect that you need an injection.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I can guarantee you, you know, his first year, he's gonna
be ready to go. You know, he's gonna be, you know,
to prove to the New York fans. I'm all in
and all that, and he will have a good year
this year. You know, barring injury, he'll play well.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
You're pretty confident of that.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, I say he has a good first four to
six weeks, okay, But if I like that, if the
if it going gets tough at that point, then I'm
not sure if he's gonna be if we might see
that Aaron Rodgers from last year who's not not really
all in. But I think in general it's if the
two games of the Patriots played against the package the Jets

(04:10):
last year go exactly the same, but now the quarterback
for the Jets Aaron Rodgers. I think they lose both games.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I agree, I agree. My worst nightmare is, you know,
they've got you know, Aaron Rodgers, and then they with
the fifteenth pick, they take Zave Flowers, you know, and
so now we're double moaning why didn't we Why don't
we get Flowers?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
I understand the point. It's not necessarily about the specific right.
The Jets don't need Zave Flowers. That's the scary part. Yeah,
and you know, and to your point, Mike, you said,
like Jets fans are probably waking up today. Evan got
some hope. Yeah, you're probably pretty excited. Well then look
back to last year's draft too. And you know, during
our podcast, Evan was talking about like, well the Patriots,

(04:52):
you know what, Mike said, they need the splash and
they have enough. I think the way you put it,
they have they have plenty of good players. They need
some great ones. They need home run hitters. And I
know it's just one year, rookie year. Who knows, Maybe
these guys were just good initially and we'll see what
they are. But Garrett Wilson in Sauce Gardner are two
guys that you know can we just get one? I mean,

(05:14):
so now you couple that draft, and that's not the
only guys they got in the draft either. They got
brief they you know, they got the kid from Florida
State who I can never remember, thank you. And they
were pretty good too. I mean, but Gardner and Wilson
were outstanding, and bring in a quarterback if they can,
you know, sort of put it together. And you're right,

(05:36):
and Rogers is engaged. I don't know if Rogers has
got that Tom Brady thing where he's gonna go on
the FU Tour.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
I think he kind of did that a little bit
in Green Bay two years ago, where he's sort of
annoyed at everybody and had another MVP season. But this
isn't about can the Jets win the Super Bowl because
the Patriots don't necessarily care, But are the Jets that
much better than the Patriot? It's now that's what they
care about.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
And that's what we talked about last year after those
games were that, you know, the Jets, if they ever
got a quarterback, they have the pieces.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
All the things that we're talking about.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
I know, tackle outstanding, but that wide receiver, that cornerback,
all those pieces they Quentin Williams. I mean, they have
them in place right now. I just I hope that
it goes the way I haven't said though. I feel
like they'll be like an initial surge and hey, oh
this is great, and oh he's really got a chemistry Wilson,
and then you know, things start to get tough, and
you know, we'll see I mean, this is just the
Patriots hat speaking hopefully. I mean, because you felt similar

(06:32):
when Brett Favre went in, you know, in twenty two
thousand and eight.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
It was a similar kind of thing. I know, different situation,
but hey, they got a guy.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Now, I listen, I'm worried. I'm worried.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
I am. I mean, I think you can pretend to
yourself that, well, it's not a big deal. Did the
Jets they'll screw it up. Okay, if you want to
rely on that, that's fine, but I do I am
concerned about it. And one of the other things that
we talked about during the podcast bred is how Belichick
might react to it. You know, he's so good. Well,

(07:03):
well that was that was really good. That was dead
on perfect. But another point that everyone was talking about
was do you think that Belichick response that by saying, well,
we got to find a way to to keep up
on the scoreboard, or do you think he looks at
it and says, we're gonna find a way to shut
him down, right, you know, and add to the defense. Yeah,
what do you think that Bill would would go?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
I think he'd lean defense.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, me too to.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Him that's an easier answer.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, I just don't think that he can bring himself
to say, well, if you want to succeed, you got
to try to win thirty one twenty. He's like, you
got to hold him to twenty two and find a
way to win.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, I mean, I I understand that point.

Speaker 7 (07:43):
I also just I look at six when that felt
like all right, he realized he had to go get
some offensive pieces, like they just didn't have him anymore.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
So last year was just as bad, worse than six was.

Speaker 7 (07:55):
So that's my only hope that he kind of recognizes
that and says, look, certainly, we need good defense to
keep up with these guys, but at the end of
the day, our offense was just below the bar of acceptability,
and we have to make some bold moves that we
haven't really made.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
In free agency, we talk about you know, and I
agree Evan, if Rogers had been in those two games
last year, they would have won. What if Bill O'Brien
was the offensive coordinator last year, how much better would
that offense have been?

Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah, I think that's a fair point. I just think
for the Patriots. To me, I'm not necessarily sitting here,
you know, shaking to my boots that Aaron Rodgers is
now at the Jets. But I just think it adds
a team in the AFC that now has a better
quarterback than you. And I just look at the AFC
and we're talking about at least seven teams that I

(08:42):
can come up with that I think are locks to
be better quarterback than you. And then if Russell Wilson
has a bounced back year or Deshaun Watson has a
bounced back year, now we're talking about nine, potentially ten
teams that have better quarterbacks and better offenses. And I
think if you're the Patriots and going into this draft
at this point, I don't really think there's any one
player in this draft at fourteen that's gonna change this

(09:06):
season for them. I don't think that you can look
at it that way. I think you have to look
at it and say, who is the best player that
we can possibly get with this pick. Now, I would
then put the caveat on it at a premium position.
If they take a running back like Bijon Robinson, I'm
gonna have a problem with it. But if they take
an edge rusher, if they take a corner, if they
take a tackle, if they take a receiver, I just

(09:28):
think they need to get the best player in the
building and just continue to stack the roster together because
at this point you are looking up at a lot
of teams and to sit there and say we are
an ex player away or why player away from being
a contender, I don't see that path being as easy,
especially when you look at just their opponents for next year.

(09:50):
The quarterbacks that they're gonna have to play next year
are ridiculous. I mean, they're gonna have to play pretty
much the gauntlet of quarterbacks in the AFC, and I
don't know, it just doesn't really look like a team
that is one big splash, like a Jerry Judy trade,
even away from all of a sudden. Now, okay, now
we feel like they're a playoff team and we were.

(10:12):
They're in it, you.

Speaker 7 (10:13):
Know, there's just no secret to the formula. I mean,
the Jets have had a few good drafts. Now they've
put the position like you're talking about players and the
key positions in place that are making impacts.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
And we all saw it.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
We all see they screwed up with the quarterback pick,
and they said, effet, let's let's go for it.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
But it's like, how many of these contender teams, like
you know, have gotten a chunk, not all, but the
wide receiver, the quarterback, the cornerback, the a tackle and
a pass rusher. You know they've gotten those positions, then
they oh, we need just one, let's go get Stefan Diggs,
or we just need the court, let's go get Aaron Rodgers.
You know, you can get to that point where all right,
that's the way to play free agency, to play trades,

(10:49):
But it all starts with stacking drafts.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
You know, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Stacking drafts allow you to be selective in free agency,
to have the the bullet instead of the shotgun.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
I mean, I think, to Evan's point, you're not gonna
come out of Day two of this draft and be like,
this is great, we got our starting offensive left tackle.
We got a stud corner and we've got a receiver
that's going to control the middle of the field. Like,
it's just unrealistic to think that that's going to happen,
even that they're going to draft those specific needs that.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Everyone's so focused on. It could very well.

Speaker 7 (11:18):
Be they strike with an edge, they grab a tight
end higher than and people you know who prefer a
wide receiver. But you know, can an argument be made
that one of these tight ends is going to make
more of an impact on offense sooner and to a
greater degree than some of these receivers. I think that's
that's a debate you could probably have to as.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Much as you want a receiver and want to want
that offensive playmaker, I just think that at this point,
if you're sitting there, let's just say they stay at fourteen,
just to make it easy. If you're sitting there and
you're contemplating a guy like Christian Gonzalez versus a guy
like you gotta take Christian Gonzalez now, Like, I just
think that taking to say Flowers is trying to put
a band aid on a much bigger problem. And I

(11:58):
don't know if this is how the best way out
of that this situation at this point, I think right
now you got to really just try to stack as
much talent as you can on the top of the
roster and play the long game because I don't think
you're competing in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 7 (12:12):
And that's what's hard with like the potential tackle pick,
which we talked about earlier on the on the Draft
podcast that we did, which we all acknowledge, like, no,
it's probably not what they need, but it is what
they need. It's not what we kind of want. But
to your point, there's nobody who's really going to make
that immediate impact, so why not take a guy? And
I mean, and this is a conversation we've been having
with Broderick Jones, who you know hasn't played a lot,

(12:32):
Paris Johnson hasn't played a lot, But like you look
at them and you say, that's a ten year tackle.
There's no real caveats other than he needs experience and
to get into an NFL system. So you know, that's
think the conversations will be having if they take one
of those tackles and say, look, I know it's not sexy,
but Patriots are ways off and they got to start
stacking really good players and this is a good player.

Speaker 8 (12:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
So the whole thing about the Jets too, to me
is I agree that it's not like, oh, there's your
Super Bowl team, like a shaking in our boots. But
you you brought up the Bill O'Brien thing, Fred, And again,
I think there's an enormous amount of pressure on Bill
O'Brien because I think a lot of people think, like
you do, that the coordinator is worth wins. I'll believe

(13:12):
that when I see it.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
But it was definitely worth loss according to a lot
of people.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah, and I didn't know that either. Just in fairness,
I just don't think they played very well. I think
play offense was not not optimals.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
So they should have kept that.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
No, no, no, no, no, I don't think that. I think
it can be worth losses but worth wins. Yeah, And
it's kind of like the old adage, right, It's like
the old adage. You can you can lose a game
in the first quarter, but you can't win it, you know.
I mean, obviously you go out and win quit twenty
one of the Boy in the first quarter. Yeah, you
can win it in the first quarter. But people don't
really look at it that way. But with the Jets,

(13:47):
it's it's been two games that you can rely on
that you're gonna win for how long? How many in
a row? Twelve years, sixteen? Over time? Over how many
wins in a row over the Jets? Of that, I
think it's like sixteen. Okay, So that's been something that
you've absolutely counted on. You can't count on a suitep
of the Jets. I think right now, if you're being

(14:09):
a really realistic Patriots fan, you'd take a split.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
Right, that's a big difference. That's a big difference. You've
had a hard time with Buffalo, you know.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
I mean, that's put it nicely.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
And Miami you split with kind of an asterisk because
you beat the third string quarterback and that's really the
only time you've been and you finished behind them. So
just you know, Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Rogers, Jackson, Herbert, Lawrence Watson, Wilson, Tua,
and Garoppolo.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
You have to hit them all.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Four of those quarterbacks won't make the playoffs, right, Four
of those guys won't make at least at least four
of those guys won't make the playoffs. So that's what
you're dealing with and if everybody is right and you
need to have a you know, strong play at the
quarterback position, there's a lot of pressure on Mac Jones

(15:04):
and Bill O'Brien to get this right so they can
keep up with some of these teams.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yep, well maybe this would be a good spot to dovetail.
I don't want to ruin your.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
Intro, but just to highlight Gardy's tweet which you mentioned
on the way down, which just popped up Will Levis.
Thank you, Evan, GARDI just tweeting out. We talked about
Levis coming by last week. As I mentioned on Felger
and Holly last night, there was real interest in QB.
Will Levis from the Patriots, not universally, but they are
important folks in that building that believe in the talent.
What I've heard about his visit from other stops, he

(15:34):
hasn't blown anyone away. That dovetails, Hey, I just used
to dovetails was something that I was told by a
couple of scouts that were around the Kentucky program this year.
It's not that he's an unlikable kid, but players didn't
gravitate to him either. Can that leadership quality factor be learned.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Sack Wilson, No, the guy on the draft, the quarterback
and the draft that they didn't go to his birthday party,
Sack Wilson. Why can't I think of his name?

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Is it? I don't know, I don't want Wilson.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Zach Wilson is a real guy.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Oh in Oh in the movie, in the movie, Oh
in the draft, d draft.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
I thought you're talking about the rest. A lot of
that actually happened with Zach wil I'm pretty sure wasn't.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Jake Cushman was the cush.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Cush So that kind of dovetails to my son. Did
this cush that kind of dovetails to the quarterback talk
when it comes to the draft. I want to just
discuss the c. J. Stroud situation a little bit. He
had this S two comprehension test that a lot of
all the quarterbacks took, and it got leaked out that
he scored a BIS move as bysmally eighteen. Yeah, eighteen

(16:45):
out of one hundred and supposedly right and now I
I on the Pat McAfee show. They had somebody from this.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Company, the owner of the company.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
The owner, and he said he couldn't say specifically players
because of legal reasons and all this stuff, but he
said it may have been out of context that reporting
of the eighteen, that it may not necessarily reflect his
true score or what happened and all that stuff. But
it's out there now, Like what are we hearing? Are

(17:15):
we thinking that c J. Stroud may not go high
up now?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Or I just feel like it's clockwork.

Speaker 7 (17:22):
Every every year the week before the draft, someone's a
dumb ass that's.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Actually worked, like Laramie Tunsel with that thing that came
out the Dratton, Like all of a sudden, he's whatever thirteen.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Wearing a gas mask, taken bond.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
Yes, but I don't necessarily I mean, Bryce Young has
been the consensus and again who knows if it's accurate,
but the consensus number one pick now for a while. Yeah,
like before any of this came out.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Unless unless you read our lads, because they've got CJ.
Stroud ranked high.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Carolina. But I'm okay with with our lads, Like if
that's if they if they I.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Heard it, I heard it, I heard it. Keep going.
I don't want to go into a rabbit hole talking,
keep talking.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
But I'm okay if if they think that c J.
Stroud is better, I don't like, but I assume that
that's their rankings.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Right, Yeah, that's their ranking.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
But I like, I don't think anybody is an idiot.
For like, if you like Stroud better than Young, to
each his own, I I like Stroud a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Okay, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
I don't think he's good.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
What if he is not? What if he does have?

Speaker 4 (18:29):
You know, it doesn't seem to affect his ability to
play quarterback from what I've seen.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
What is this test?

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Though?

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Is this like one of like it's the new.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Wonder lick, so it's like logic stuff, and.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Yeah, it's a little bit more from what I understand,
it's kind of like playing a video game, and it
really is supposed to test their ability to react to
things that, you know, changing things quickly and like processing
essentially for quarterbacks. But I think that the bigger thing
with with Stroud that seems to be more two things.

(19:00):
I think around the league there's a lot of fear
about Ohio State quarterbacks. I think that's legit. Guys like
Justin Fields, Dwayne Haskins, like, it just hasn't really been
a great run of Buckeye quarterbacks in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Succeeding.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
And I think the other thing is is that there
are some questions and I say this, I love saying
stuff like this, but there's some questions about his work
ethic and his want to and his drive and all
those types of things. I know that that thing came
out about the Manning Camp, that he bailed on the
Manning Camp at the last second and ghosted the people

(19:34):
that run the camp and didn't show up, and things
like that that I think are out there a little
bit now that scream some team is trying to get CJ.
Stroud to fall to them. But maybe there's some truth
to it. But justin Fields a couple of years ago,
is the media's consensus QB two by a wide margin,
and he ended up falling to what ten or eleven

(19:54):
in that draft. So I don't think it's totally outlandish.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, well, Levis, we did report last weeks as well
as others that he was here. But now Giardi is
saying there's true interest. It wasn't just a smoke screen.
It wasn't.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Brier said that Sunday night too. Yeah, a similar kind
of thing that.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Had Yeah, I mean doing their homework.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
I just there's some intrigue there, and I again, like
I'm gonna stay at the top.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
I think Mac deserves another chance. I don't think he.

Speaker 7 (20:22):
Got the full fair share last year of fair Shake.
But there's just something about that kid love us that's intriguing,
you know.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
And if you if you really, if you're really sitting
here and.

Speaker 7 (20:31):
You're saying, I don't think Max's ever gonna take down
Josh Allen. He might not take down to a you know,
at what point do you say, maybe you just go again?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
You go back? You got him at fifteen, take one
or fourteen again. I don't think they should, but I
wouldn't completely rule it out.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
What what do they I mean, clearly that's an indictment
on Mac. If they did that, right, you don't take well,
that's what I put a quarterback at fifteen.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Why not taking a first round quarterback? If they're convinced
that they have a guy, well, that's what I mean,
just to compete with us.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I mean, if they take Levis, then they don't think
that they then they're moving I mean that's what I
most of these guys, they're moving back the next day.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
But you know, if they took him at fourteen and
Mike said, yeah, I remember it looked for mac to
get I.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Remember the NA they took Ryan Mallett and it was
like we couldn't pass on him. He was, you know,
overvalued for where he was available third round and we
took him. We took him, you know, like you can't
say that about you know, uh Levis. Oh, you know,
we had to take him. We didn't think he would drop.
There's no way so I can make that argument.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
I don't know exactly what to make of it, you know,
the fact that they have him, they have them in
and I don't have all the details in this because
I was away last week, but I just would be
curious to get the thoughts of you guys, because I
saw a lot of people sort of blowing it off
like there's nothing. You know, they're just doing the due diligence,

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and you know, whether it's and I know there was
some ambiguity of whether or not it actually counted this
to one of the thirty picks because he's quasi local.
He was one in Newton and went to high school
in Connecticut. I don't know, does that not count on
one of.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
The twenty five miles? Okay, so if he's in Connecticut,
it counts. If he's in Newton, it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Right, So I don't know if that if that counts
as whatever. But I just don't think that teams go
through a visit at their facility for someone that they're
just looking to see what make what makes that Will
Levis tick, which I read a lot of agree like
someone someone may have someone that they are going to play,

(22:29):
might be drafting him and they will yep, So that's
a waste of time, that's what you did it for.
I don't buy that. But Bill is way too smart
for that. I don't. I think that there is at
the very least some intrigue for maybe this style of
quarterback and he wants to pick a brain at the
very like, it's not about well, I don't know, we're

(22:51):
going to play Indianapolis and Indianapolis might take him, so
we need to No way they did that, No, like
you think that's where it Fred.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
I'm not saying it's worth it, but I wouldn't rule
it out that they would do that.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Well, I think that's I mean, I think way more
of Bill, and I'm not being sarcastic in any way.
I think way more of Bill with those thirty visits
that he's limited to to not waste one on someone else.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
That they always use all thirty. I don't even know
that if that's true, I'm pretty sure because it doesn't
include pro days, it doesn't include you going to their visits.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
I understand there's a reason they limit you to thirty.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I know, but I'm not even sure that they used
all thirty this year. So maybe they had like five
in the you know, in their hand. I'm like, you
know what, let's just that I'm smart to you what
that they didn't use every one of them.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, but in other words, you didn't do all the
work that you could do.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
But that doesn't say that they didn't go to those places.
They didn't see these people they want to see at
their pro days.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
They didn't have thirty people they felt strongly enough to
bring to the facility.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
If you feel struggle, why you can just as easily
go to their place and see him at his pro day.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Or than one on one.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
They do both, Fred, they can do both.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
And there's a certain receiver that's at Fenway Park a
few weeks ago, and they decided not to bring in Fervius.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I look at them as being as diligent as anybody.
I mean, maybe I'm still naive with this. I go
back to I think he's a very very good draft. Remember,
you know, I still get made fun of for that.
It's weird for me to be on that side of
the ledger. I know people are probably saying, what is
he talking about? Why is he arguing for the sake
of arguing. I'm not. I just think that they're as
prepared as any organization. Yeah, they do more work than

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most most he was.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
The guy that they canceled his trip here. They ended
up takings they sold her. You know, I think it
works both ways. Is the There's many ways to see
a guy other than bringing him here. You can go
to his proda.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
I understand that, Fred, but I don't think that you
bring a guy here that you have zero interest in.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, well, when you say interest in taking, you know,
that could be that, or like, you know, maybe they're
just doing their due diligence in just seeing, you know,
who this guy is in the event that no one
wants him and he's available in the second round. You know,
I don't know, maybe they're hearing that no one's going
to take will Levis and if he's in the second round,
we're going to take him, and so we want to be.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Just there, right, I agree, Oh yeah, we're all on
the same page. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
I don't have any inside information on it, but I
just felt like from a football perspective, it's a lot
better of a fit than people realize. Like just from
a schematic x's and o's perspective of how what he's
good at. I think he gets labeled as like a
Josh Allen out of structure, this guy that's just going
to roll out and throw bombs down the field. He
was much better at Kentucky in the film that I
watched of him in structure, operating out of the quick

(25:38):
game or from under center, play action and just doing
stuff that the Patriots like to do.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I mean, you know, he's not the most accurate passer
right now. He's got some mechanic problems from what I read,
you know, that whole thing. He's just not ready yet.
But you know, for a team that's willing to put
in the time, you know he could be. He could
have a high ceiling. But from what every I'm being
told by the experts, he ain't gonna be your year

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one answer. You know it's gonna take time.

Speaker 5 (26:07):
Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, we'll see, though.
I just I think with him again, I just think
that he gets miscast because of the athletic ability and
the arm talent that he's like another Josh Allen. But
I don't think that he plays like Josh Allen. I
think he plays much more like an in rhythm quarterback
and somebody that really thrives from the pocket. When he

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gets outside the pocket is when he makes mistakes.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
I would agree with that. And I think I wrote
here decision making with a question mark when I was
just looking at the notes that I took. I agree
with that assessment totally. Is it's not necessarily that he
can't make plays. Like I think a lot of people say, like, well,
is he smart enough? Does he do the proper? I mean,
I think there's signs of inconsistency. I think the decision
making sometimes leads to his interceptions.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Beyond what the message it sends to Mac or what
they think of Mac. If if they drafted this guy
in the first round, what are they saying about this season?

Speaker 7 (27:04):
I mean I would just look at and kind of
into what I said that we realized that we're a
ways off and we can afford to maybe take a
year where instead of just trying to get those eight
nine wins and sneak into the playoffs, we might only
win five or four or five games this year, but
we're gonna throw a quarterback in there that we're hoping
is going to be able to then elevate to the
next level, and we don't believe that Max is gonna

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get us there.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
I think that that would be what I read.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
It certainly would put the bed the whole notion of well,
all Bill wants to do is break Shooles record. All
he wants to do, you know, because this is a
long term pick, right, I mean, it's a pick for
the future.

Speaker 7 (27:36):
I mean, I think, in to Evans's point earlier, it's
you know, it's not what we're expecting, but it's trying
to get one of those elite players.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
You know. I don't think if I draft Levis I
want him playing by the end of September.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
He might be, but like, how good is he going
to be? You know, he's going to have Like.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
I'm with Mike, let him, let him, let him make
the mistakes. I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
To I keep going back to Peyton Manning, he had
more interceptions than touchdowns his first year, but they knew
he was great. Yeah, you just had to give him
time and if he needed it, certainly, this guy's gonna
need it.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
He was also much better at Kentucky in twenty twenty
one than he was in twenty two, and they had
some better pieces around him.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
So I don't know. I did not Like.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
We talked about Will Levis really early on, I think,
and I was like, I don't think so, because I
just sort of looked at the interceptions and things like that.
But when you actually really dig into it, I think
he's a little bit better than people realize. I really
feel like he's getting a lot of negativity from the
media side of it, especially because of the turnovers and
some of the decision making.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Is like, I know they're completely different quarterbacks, but I
pick him over Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
I would, oh, I would absolutely.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
I wouldn't do that, but because if you're gonna take
the ball of clay, I'm just gonna take the best
ball of clay at the table, right. But I think
with Levis just goes back to the whole thing with
Mac what's his ceiling. You know, from a physical perspective,
how good could he be throwing the ball down the field,
creating on his own and really as the the physical

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things of being a quarterback, not the mental side of it,
because Mac blows will have us out of the water
when it comes to the mental side of.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
That's what I was going to ask you.

Speaker 7 (29:12):
I was kind of imagining event diagram of like this
is Will Levis, this is Mac Jones.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
What do they have in common? And what does Will
Levis maybe have that Max never not going.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
To have, you know, like it's that yeah, just rocket
arm size, power and running. I mean he's a power run.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
I mean some people said he's Tim Tebow. He's not
Tim t He's Tim Tebow with the ability to throw right.
Tim Tebow couldn't throw. He literally could not throw.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
I mean he's huge, yeah, I mean you could argue
that almost too big, like Brady Quinn. Remember Brady Quinn
got all bulked up and Megan Rember, Yes, Meghan did.
Remember we had to take we had to take stalk
our selfies at the Combine one year for Megan. But
you know, he's uh, I think he's a very intriguing

(30:01):
skill set I agree with you, though, Fred So I
disagree with Evan on the Anthony Richardson. To me, there's
way too much unknown. I understand the boom aspect of
Anthony Richardson, but I think he hasn't really played any game.
I mean, at least you look at at Levis. He
played a little at Penn State, he played a ton

(30:21):
the last two years at Kentucky, And there's something like
I think that you can project to me with Richardson,
it's all projection, no doubt, no doubt. If he works.
If Levis works and Richardson works, Richardson will be the
better player he's got. He's got a better skill set.

(30:43):
But I think there's a much higher degree of chance
of Levis working than Richardson working.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
All Right, it's all interesting, and I you know, listen,
we're not the ones that brought Will Levison, So people say,
why are you talking about Will Levis? You go to
t talk about the dragon. You know they brought them in, you.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Know, so you know we're probably gonna be talking about
this Thursday night.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
Too, right, And the head coach won't say the quarterback's
name that you currently have on the roster.

Speaker 8 (31:09):
So.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
It's like now we're not, you know, picking them out
of the blue and discussing them. Speaking of Thursday night,
there's no regular show on Thursday, Pagrites Unfiltered, but we
will have our Draft special starting at seven thirty live everywhere,
live video from seven thirty eight thirty. Then we go
to audio per NFL rules, but we'll be live from
the draft party upstairs here at Let's Stadium, and it'll

(31:34):
be fun. I can't wait. I can't wait. Draft itself
starts at eight o'clock, so we'll be on air for that. Patriots,
if they stay at fourteen, will probably pick around nine
to forty five or so. But we'll be there. Let's
be there with the reaction.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
All kinds of reactions. I'm excited.

Speaker 7 (31:50):
So people are still chirping at me about my first
draft show, about my inadequacy in my contributions.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
This back in the COVID.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, you know, remember the show, Remember the COVID through everybody,
I might.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Have made funn of you during that show. It's like
still there.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
It wasn't that the day that Eric got really mad
about something random?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Which, what are you talking about? Every draft?

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Kyle Douga. They tried down Kyle doug Oh yeah, he
way off of that show.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Remember, because he didn't know who Kyle Duggart.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
That's no, no, no. When they traded down, we didn't
trade We didn't get Kyle dug until the next day.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, okay, nothing, it was it was a wash.

Speaker 5 (32:27):
The Kyle Duggar pick was misunderstood.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, he wasn't mad at but Kyle Duggar was made.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Kyle dugger always gets lumped into the cold stranges of
the world and it's like no, no, no, no, this is
that was a different animal.

Speaker 7 (32:40):
They could have traded down and taken Lawrence Taylor and
Eric would have been pissed at the time.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Yes, some people just hate the trade down, that's exactly.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
I just want to pick. It was one too many
trade downs, even though if you actually look at their
history and I know it's deceiving because they have virtually
the same amount of trade up trade down now, it
is definitely deceiving because the first round, the overwhelming evidence
is they generally trade down and the trade ups come
in like the fifth round, into the fourth round and

(33:11):
stuff like that, so it's not exactly the same thing.
But they have traded up in the first round before.
You know, with High Tower and Chandler Jones the gold
everybody has to bring him up. But I would like
to see at least the mindset, Freddy, where they're prepared
to do it if a guy that they really really
cover it starts to slip. You know, we talk about

(33:34):
all these quarterbacks and when I was I was joking
with these guys when we did the podcast. You know,
evidently when I was going, Hendon Hooker is now a
first round pick two. Oh really, so like if you
somehow get fired, he's not into hookers. If you get
five guys before pick fourteen and very very minor and

(33:56):
not a sure thing. But that swap with the Jets
and the Packers, I think the Jets were really in
play for a tackle and now they're behind the Patriots.
So the Patriots will have a pick over the Jets
at a position that I think they both need. If
that sort of starts to happen, and maybe you get
a guy and the guy that we all love is
Christian Gonzales. But if that happens, I think they need

(34:19):
to be prepared to move up. And I just hope
it's not one of these things. Well, there's only seven
first round values in this draft. So we're going to
trade down, get one trade up, and try to get
one of the seven.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
That's what you need, especially because their board is typically
different than everybody else's, so the odds of there if
they say there we only have eight first round grades
in this draft, because a lot of teams are saying
they have under fifteen. And if the Patriots board is
tiny compared to everybody else every year, so they got
to have If the Bills have fourteen first round grades,
the half the Patriots got six, right, but they're six

(34:56):
might be different than everybody else's, so maybe one of
their they could drop right, one of their guys could
definitely fall.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
But then if it's attack, like if Broderick Jones is
one of their first round picks, and you know you
get to like ten, eleven, twelve, you know, find a
way to make sure you get them.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yep, all right. Eight five to five past five hundred
is the ACE Ticket Hotline web radio at Patriots dot
COM's the email address. Phone calls, emails are flying in,
so let's get to our listeners. We'll start with Patty
and Agawam. What's up Patty?

Speaker 9 (35:28):
What's up?

Speaker 10 (35:29):
Everyone?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
It's exciting.

Speaker 10 (35:32):
I'm excited for this week.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
I did a little research myself.

Speaker 10 (35:35):
Today and the two most prevalent groups that Belichick has
drafted since since he's been the head coach and GM
there's been defensive line. He's taken six guys and he's
taken four offensive linemen, which it feel like the follow trends,
which I think you know more often than not, He's

(35:57):
going to pick one of those two guys in the
trenches and I'm gonna throw a wild Evan. I don't
know if you remember when I called in I first
started throwing draft draft picks at you guys and catch
twenty two. But I wouldn't be surprised if they trade
down and take Mazzie Smith in the first round. I
know that sounds a little crazy, but it's a little

(36:17):
bit outside the box. I mean, he's from a program
he loves draft and from and to me, he just
I mean he's not he's not the most dominant interior
defensive lineman in the draft, but to me, he just
he just screamed the Patriots pick. And I'll say this,
I know, uh, you know, I'm I'm on the big
I'm on the day Flowers train. I don't think we're

(36:40):
gonna draft them, so I'll be a little bit disappointed.
But if a team like Casey or Buffalo takes day Flowers,
I mean, if Casey takes Dave Flowers, they're winning the
Super Bowl again this year. I hate to tell everyone,
but that's how I see it. Can't wait to call
in on Thursday night and talk to you guys.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Then, all right, thanks Patty.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Yeah, they take Massie Smith and I will not be happy.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
But you could see Bill doing that.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
And run stuffing those tackles.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
But I think that's.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
One of the few positions that I think fans would
be right to be critical.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, let's go to shutters in Manchester. What's up shutters?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Hey you Oh, thanks for buying lunch by the way,
Thank you hutters, and happy birthday.

Speaker 9 (37:27):
That's my pleasure. Well, well, thank you all. Thanks to
you all and Quare for the birthday shout out last
week and on the back of his corners. Then I
can't wait to hear how they had he gets on
Thursday night for the draft show. Okay, the question I
got today I was listening earlier on to Skaranakia speaking
on the Boom podcast about the Patriot Way, and he

(37:51):
was saying, how sort of five percent of the roster
want to run through a wall for you, five percent
question why you need to run through the wall at all,
and ninety are in the middle waiting to be influenced.
Seems from last year that there was more questioning about
why they're running through the wall than maybe the Patriots Way.
Leadership and certainly now, I mean, Hotel isn't so much

(38:14):
involved last year, but you lost Hoteler, you lost Becauthy,
you can't Slater and Andrews is there as well. But
who on the roster is strong leadership and step up
the read I'm asking for this is one boot who's
dy existing that can do that? But is strong leadership
a sneaky key aspect to be looking at in this

(38:34):
draft class. Now, my personal draft crush who I don't
think the Patriots are signed is Jack Campbell. But it's
that sort of hard hitting old Bruce d They don't
really need him, They're not going to get him, I
know that, but he's that leader style. Could leadership being
to have an impact on who they're looking to draft
this year?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Well, you know they've you know, they've always said they
like drafting captains just for that reason. But the lead
there's not be any rookie that's going to come in
and be a leader this year. I mean, they could
draft somebody who they hope to be a leader going
down the road. But if you're looking for leadership this year,
it's going to come from people that are already here.
And I throw Judah On in there in addition to

(39:13):
the names you already said. I think you know he
should be a leader on this team, you know, so
I would throw him in there. Uh, Dietrich Wise in
his own way, you know, is a leader. Bentley here's
a captain, right, Yeah, Bentley you would imagine should be
as well. But you know you're talking. You know, mccordy

(39:34):
was one of the best all time, and we had
such such great ones in the past.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
So I think the key in what Shutters is talking about.
It's obviously an old adage for coaches. You know, you
got you know, the ten percent on either side that
you know what they're going to do. It's what the
rest of them do. And I can't help but think
last year, you know the leader of the why are
we doing that? Was Mac Jones. Was your quarterback, and

(40:00):
that causes and I'm not saying this is a negative
to Mac Jones, by the way, before it gets misconstrued.
I understand why he had questions about what they were doing.
We all did. We all had the same question, right, right, So,
but when the quarterback wants to know why we're doing
it that way, and there's been reports out of Alabama
that he was a y guy at Alabama used to

(40:22):
ruffle Nick Saban's skin a little bit, well, then that's why,
you know, when it ultimately unfolds, Jacoby Myers is a
why guy, and Kendrick Bourne is a why guy, and
David Andrews was a why guy, and Hudter Henry was
a why guy. Because the quarterback is asking why and
they don't understand why they're doing it. So they need
to find a way to get Mac Jones from a

(40:44):
y guy to a run through the.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Wall guy right, a circle the wagon.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
And if you don't do that, I mean sure, all
the guys you mentioned I think are good leaders. It
won't matter if the quarterback's not on b Yeah, I
mean they got to fix that relationship.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Parcels called him his circle the wagon guys. These are
the guys that run through the wall. These are the
guys that carry your message to the rest of them.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
And when did those Giants teams get over the hump?
When Phil Simms got on board. Yeah, there was a
lot of back and forth with Parcels and Simms early
in Simms' career wasn't the greatest quarterback. But once he
got on board and Parcels embraced him, yep, that's when
the Giants got to a different level. Lawrence Taylor, I know,
don't get in the way of a good story trying

(41:24):
to be positive today, but.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
I remember when they drafted Mac people said, is he
going to be a captain? We said, probably not this year,
but if he's not the captain in the second year,
that's a problem. And sure enough they made him a captain,
which you know you want your quarterback to be. He'd
better be the captain of your team. But like Paul said,
you know, when your captain is questioning that trickles down.

(41:49):
You can't have that interesting way to look at He
can do it, but he's got to do it privately,
you know.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, I would, uh, I would just.

Speaker 7 (41:54):
Use this opportunity to give a small bit of credit
to col strange because I feel like he's one of
those run through the wall guys. He's not gonna ask why,
He's just gonna go.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
And I think that's part of the big reason why
they liked him.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
People lead by example.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Yeah, he's willing to go through it.

Speaker 7 (42:07):
But but I mean when he was saying that, I'm
just picturing Trent Brown and Isaiah win not not being
why guys just being like yeah, nope, yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Worse than not not not why guys they they were
indifferent not today.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
I just think that at the end of the day though,
like if if the team's winning and the players on
the team are good, and I think all this leadership
stuff is.

Speaker 7 (42:30):
And that's that's that bigger point that I brought up
last week, which is like so many of these issues
that we talk about are because they haven't been a
good football team for a few years.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Like these things are snowballing. There are questions, you know
of teams that are really good that had bad chemistry.
There aren't many. Yeah, chemistry is a product of winning.
I agree.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Eddie's in Florida. What's up, Eddie?

Speaker 11 (42:52):
Hey, So I like your opinion on my top of
the draft position wish list. But before that, can I
go through a lightning round with Paul on names and numbers.
It'll be really quick, Okay, challenge old Patriots?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Ready for numbers? You're giving me numbers?

Speaker 12 (43:08):
Yep, given the numbers, Go ahead. Chrity Lade fifty three,
Vincent Brisbee eighty two, Great Clayborn twenty six, Don Calhoun
forty four, Pete Brock fifty eight.

Speaker 11 (43:28):
Matt Cavanaugh twelve three. Left Ron movemin.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
This is a guest, but I'm going to go sixty one, correct,
Horace Horace I twenty three?

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Wow, get it out? Is this a setup? Did you
guys plan this? That's pretty good?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Wait? Where's the last one?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Horace? Ivory shout? Oh?

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Rod showed was fifty six.

Speaker 11 (43:52):
Wow, before Rod the great tippet.

Speaker 13 (43:54):
Did you get out there?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Jaron Veris was well, that's a trick question. I believe
he was sixty and ninety.

Speaker 11 (44:02):
You're correct he was ninety first.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Oh my god, I'm hit really hard.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
That is like, yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
Just so you knowing, don't ask me what number the
round last year?

Speaker 2 (44:19):
That's when you were paying attention, right, sixty that's something
that is something all right, So your draft position.

Speaker 11 (44:28):
Okay, so with three picks, no particular order. Cornerback, tackle, wide, receiver,
pretty much universal, round four, tight end, center, if not center,
front seven.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
What do you guys think draft good football players?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah? Really, it could be as long as they're you.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Know, yeah, I mean I like the idea there. I
would probably put edge a little higher than you know,
maybe the edge in the top three, but I like
I like it center.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
So center, you're replacing David.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
I think this is an interesting seventh round. Yeah, and
I took one in that.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
I took for sight in the sixth round in my mock.
I think you gotta you gotta get ready for that.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I know nobody cares, but I heard this is a
good draft for centers.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
It is a good draft, right, It is a good
draft for centers. But a lot of the good centers
are going to go in like the top one twenty five,
and I have no interest in doing.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
One in the first round.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
The yeah, the first round, Schmid's Schmidt.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
I saw one guy, he's a zone block. One guy
had like a center at twenty five. I can't no,
I don't think it was you know me, do it
on your own time. So I can't remember the name.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Tim, Thanks Eddie.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Who's the third? That might have been the one?

Speaker 5 (45:35):
There's there's three centers. They came from Ohio state Wipler, No,
what was the other name?

Speaker 4 (45:40):
You said?

Speaker 5 (45:41):
The middle wits tipman from a Wisconsin.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
Tipman was the one I saw.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
He's an interesting I like Wisconsin lineman.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
That's what that is.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
They keep turning them out.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
That is a good point.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Freddy Dylan's in North Carolina. I hate Dylan Dylan.

Speaker 14 (45:55):
Hey, how are you guys doing all right? I remember
listening to the show like a couple months ago, and
then Evan was talking crap about my boy Will Levis
Kentucky fans. He was awesome in twenty twenty one or
twenty twenty two, and then last year, you know, we
lost a lot of people. But if he drops to fourteen,

(46:19):
would you guys be willing to take him or is
that like completely off the ball.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
I wouldn't, but I could be convinced. But right now
I say no.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
And by you could be convinced, you mean that the
Patriots the patriots to be convinced.

Speaker 14 (46:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I would much have to
take a cornerback because I think that's a way bigger need.
But I mean Max John's can't throw it nowhere near
as far as him. And if he just gets his footwork,
like Evan was saying, I think he could be a stud.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Okay, I I mean I would be on board. And
you watched all their games, Dylan, most of them?

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Yeah, that's my favorite.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Most I forget.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Like the guy with Henny Luker last year. I watched
every game he played at tennis. Okay, do I do
you know what you're watching?

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Not you? Not you, Dylan hended hooker guy.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Okay, well listen, if they if they wherever they draft,
whoever drafts, when we want you to call back and
give us your reaction.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
All right, we'll do all right, thanks, Dylan. I'm gonna
surprise you and say I wouldn't like it. I think
that Mac. I think there's still some unknown.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, I wouldn't like it. I just think it's forget
about twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
If you do, they're hitting the reset button.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Yeah, yeah, I don't necessarily look at it that way,
but I think that Mac Jones deserves to see it through.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I do too. I think he deserves.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Because of this situation last year.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I think he deserves to see give him this year anyway,
Just give him this year.

Speaker 7 (47:40):
But I will say probably how I feel is that
Max not the guy?

Speaker 2 (47:46):
You know?

Speaker 3 (47:46):
That's I mean, like I guess he.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Deserves how probably how definitively get that chance with a
third year, you know, with a proper system in place.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
And but if he plays well this year, you'll be happy,
for sure, for sure, but I'll be a little surprised.

Speaker 7 (48:03):
I'm not expecting him to. I just I just don't
want to look back at twenty twenty three and said, man,
we had fourteenth overall pick. We had a chance to
just you know, make the move and kind of bite
the bullet.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
And that's take a risk, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
That's absolutely If Mac doesn't progress this year and will
Levis does well wherever he goes, and he.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Was somebody that was available at fourteen.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Then yes, that'll be in play.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
I kind of look at it.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
All of Paul's shows will be talking dangerous.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
You know what's funny about that. I was thinking about
this friend. I have not heard any of my shows
in like ten days, so I'm gonna need you to
you know.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
I can't believe you didn't get the shakes.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Well, I'm gonna need you to tell me what the
shows have been saying so I can go and find
out if that was what actually happened. But anyway, the
whole dangerous to like look ahead at the next class thing, like,
so let's say you stick with mac Jones, like and
it doesn't work. If that happens, mac Jones didn't work,
and you're looking to move on, you're probably picking higher

(48:59):
than fourteen next year, and does that put you in
play to maybe get somebody? So whereas I'm listening, maybe
you're not necessarily kicking yourself because you let Will Levis
go because yeah, okay, I mean I I rolled the dice.
It didn't work, but I can get Drake May for somebody.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
I mean, that's that's Barth's take on this whole thing,
because he looks seventeen drafts into the future.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
I'm not even enough to speak elementary school circuit. Yeah,
so I'm not alone the twenty four.

Speaker 5 (49:33):
He's telling me that Will Levis next year would be
like QB six or seven, and it's ridiculous. And even
consider this, YadA YadA, YadA. I don't like playing that
game because you just don't know what those guys are
going to be a year from now, and you don't
know what other guys might come out. I mean, Joe
Burrow was not even in the conversation, and he had
the season he had at LSU and he's the number

(49:53):
one pick in the draft. So you just don't know
a year out. But I do think that there is
a school of thought to that is that next year,
if you really need to jump back in the quarterback carousel, again,
it's a good quarterback class and there's gonna be some
options that might be equal or even better than somebody
like Will Levis. Personally, I would not take Will Levis

(50:13):
and I'd roll with Mac. But if the head coach
doesn't gonna get over it, then I take Will Levis.
Like if he's not gonna move on and he's not
gonna reset and he's not gonna get over last year
and all the issues that they had that are more
to me outside the lines, like not even about football,
then I don't really know why we're wasting our time

(50:33):
with Mac in the building. It just seems like we're
on a road to nowhere.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
All right, let's go to Eldred in North Carolina. What's up,
Eldrid Goodson, Aldred.

Speaker 15 (50:44):
Will tell you all right? Taylor Party Podcast. Hey, you
know what, it's amazing. The other night I listened to
NFL Network.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
What is it?

Speaker 15 (50:55):
A Texan? I ain't thinking about taking a quarterback? But
it's still traded for either Meg Jones or three Lance.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
They can't all right, Well, you know you're breaking up
a little, Eldre. You're breaking up breaking Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
I think the Texans are an intriguing.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Okay, we'll talk about what you just said.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Because there's been uncertainty. You Fred, at the beginning of
the show, you brought up the c J. Stroud thing
with that aptitude test, But there's been uncertainty about what
the Texans want to do with that second pick. Do
they want to take another quarterback and sort of go
They're in a situation very similar to the Patriots. They
have a guy that can play, as Bill famously says,

(51:34):
can play in the league, but where's he going to
take you? In Davis Mills. I think they're very similar
guys based on their first two seasons. So do they
ride it out with Davis Mills and continue to try
to prop up the rest of that roster, or do
they take CJ. Stroud. You know, I think there's a
lot of different things that they can do. I just
don't necessarily think the test itself is that I think

(51:56):
there's a lot of uncertainty in Houston as to what
they want to do, and maybe this is the final
nail in Stroud's coffin for them and they move on.
I think Indy has to take a quarterback. They're at four. Yeah,
I think Indy has to take one. Whether it's Levis, Richardson,
or Stroud, you know, whoever's available. They have to take
one of those guys.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
It seems like the big media thinks that the Colts
want Levis and the local media thinks they want Richardson.
So I don't know which way that's gonna go. But
the Texans, to me, I think what's so fascinating about
the Texans is that they might pass on two consensus
players because they might pass on Stroud and Will Anderson
to draft Tyree Wilson. And now Nickosario is out on

(52:38):
an island all by himself. If he does that, and
if that pick doesn't work out, that's his job. I mean,
he's not going to keep his job. Through that because
he's already taken Derek Stingley over Sasce Gardner and Kenyan
Green over Tyler Smith last year. So that's taking Tyree
Wilson with a second overall pick. It goes against every
single consensus on this draft that you can see how I.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Forgot that, like Stingley went before Gardener. Yeah, that is
that's a tough one to overcome.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
Do you think and I don't mean this to be
a reflection on the Patriots terrible drafts, but do you
think think Casaro just can't draft.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Like I don't know could be? I mean, although I
do think I kind of like Stingley as a player,
but he's not sas God and he wasn't saus God,
and coming out its unquestionable A lot I think that
he There was a lot of questions about Stingley with
the injuries, and.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
Yeah, I think he prioritizes a lot like he's obviously
cut from the same cloth as Bill. I think that
he they prioritize a lot of traits that fit our
system and like getting it into the right you know,
the right molds and the right uh you know, body
types and things like that, and a guy like Tyrie
Wilson from everything that you hear about Tamika Ryan's Ryan's

(53:46):
loves length, he loves power, he loves good defensive linemen,
obviously what they built out in San Francisco. So Tyre
Wilson has been the hot pick for Houston, even though
every single draft expert and probably ninety percent of the
league thinks that Will Anderson's a better player, and that
that's I think sometimes you get caught up in that
if you're a GM like Casario, where it's like, maybe

(54:09):
just take the best player and not get not overthinking
about the scheme and about all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
And if everyone is right, and that's what Casario thinks
going into drafts is I'm looking for guys that fit
my you know, my box. Well, it can't help that
he's had a carousel of coaches. Yeah, right, during his
time there, they've had what three coaches?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yep, it's weird. Dylan writes in from Nashville. He says,
during the silly season, what Patriots reporter should we take? Seriously,
won't ask you which ones we shouldn't, but would like
you view on the folks you can generally trust. It's
a good question.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
I think this time of year, I think it's an
excellent question, but I think it's it's also a latered one,
Like I need to know exactly what you're you're asking
to trust with. Like if someone has a trade rumor
on the draft, I would trust Mike Reese, I would
trust Albert Breer, you know, talking about the Patriots. If

(55:07):
you're talking to I mean this is you know, present
company excluded. Okay, I'm not talking about we're not looking
to break news. We're just giving you evaluations of the players.
But if you're talking about draft stuff, like I think
Phil Perry does a lot of a lot of homework
on on on players and and I think personally puts

(55:27):
a little too much stock in the in sort of
the skill set box to the patriot, like the prototypical
Patriot thing. But and there are others. I mean, I
think Tom Curran is another guy with like news related
stuff that I would I would take seriously. But the
bottom line, when you're talking about the draft specifically, nobody, nobody,

(55:50):
nobody knows. I mean, I think people get them right
all the time. And we've gotten the first round pick
right about a half dozen times. Like I got ty
Warren brand In, Merriweather Chandler Jones. I also thought Vernon
Golston was going to be one of the best players ever,
you know, and he was Jets like our catastrophic bust.

(56:10):
You know. I also liked Aaron Mabon way back once
upon a time. So I'll tell you the ones that
that I miss on just as many times as i'll
tell you the guys that I hit on. But we've
been able to identify the guy the Patriots are going
to take a couple of times more often than not.
We're all it's just guessing. It's hard to know exactly
what teams want to do.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Andre New Jersey. We finally made it to Happy Draft Week.
Two things. One conduced not call out the names of
players before I hear them get picked to go to
the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Eric's not here.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
That goes to Evan as well. Please stay off Twitter.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Yeah, I can't promise that we're not staying off Twitter.

Speaker 8 (56:46):
Well.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Eric famously loved to tip picks. He didn't, you know,
he didn't care, he had disdained he got anyone who
you know, wanted to you know, not be uh not
to spoil it. So he loves spoiling it.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
Yeah, I'm sorry. I I'm with Eric on this one.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
So you're gonna just tip picks.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
If you tell me not to, I won't, but I'm
not going to not do it because the.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
People get it.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Was hard.

Speaker 7 (57:11):
It was hard last year when the cold, strange pick
came across across Slack and ye, and I think I
was the only one of the group that I was
like looking to make eyes with somebody because I didn't
want to say anything.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
But you just know, here comes a tidal wave.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
And it's on Twitter, like you know, when you get it,
and it's hard to just not say what the pick is.
And and you know, well, I don't know, they could
go they could go d line here or linebacker and
you already know what the picks, right, you know, which
kind of annoys me with the broadcast, right, you know,
they kind of know what's coming. Mayock was the terrible

(57:44):
poker face. Mike Mayock. You could absolutely tell that he
knew the pick when he was you know, Evan's arm
makes a lot of sense here, you know, at fifteen
for the race, like, you know what the pick is, Mike,
That'll be me second, pretending second, No big deal.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
On just going to the Jets. They will win eight
games at max and it will always be the same
old Jets, so f them and their fan base. Well,
I'm good. I'm good on the last part. But I
think it's a big deal.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Well, it's a deal. I would just ask, I don't
care how many games the Jets win, do they beat you?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Like those are two games, two of the games against Yes,
those are two games I pencil in as w's every year.
Can I no longer do that? The cause that, to
me is the question because then you got to start saying, okay,
so you got to go from eight to ten to
get in the playoffs, right, ten wins should get you
in the playoffs with three wild cards. So how do
you get from eight to ten while losing two gimmes?

(58:39):
And it's just so much more the math problem, right,
It's just.

Speaker 7 (58:43):
It's more than Rogers to me, it's I mean, he's
that last piece that they need. But it's just as
much about Breist Hall and Garrett Wilson and Sauce Garden
and all those pieces.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
You could argue the game in Foxborough featured as bad
a quarterback play as you could get for the Jets,
and you wanted to eighty nine yard part returns time
expired ten to three.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Right, you couldn't score either.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
I think the bottom line is they have a better
roster than you take Aaron rodgerst like out of the team.
They have a better roster than you do, and now
they have a serviceable to maybe even elite quarterback under center.
I don't know how you can't see that.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Like the show, Evan said, if Aaron Rodgers played quarterback
in the two games last year, they probably would have
won them. Right, what do you think would have happened
if Mike White played those same two games? I think
Mike White's think want them, but he might not have thrown,
you know, five picks or whatever. You know what.

Speaker 7 (59:36):
Wilson God, I lost track of him game. They all
of them blend together for me.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
These four games are I think it's four, he's played
maybe three.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
All Right, we're gonna take a break. Paul's food is
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Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
History. I saw Eric before we went to the break.
You were shaking your head. What the what are you
upset about the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
Yeah, I can't deal with him if he's going to
be like this all weekend, Fred, I need a.

Speaker 23 (01:11:19):
Weekend, Paul. We know that the Bengals already gave Joe
Burrow his jersey. Why isn't the pick been made? We're
five minutes in. Let's go used to make.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
He's tired, he needs his rest. It's getting close tired frohim.
We haven't done anything in seven weeks. I'm not Eric,
who is never suddenly bored waiting for this.

Speaker 23 (01:11:39):
Yes, Megan O'Brien, you're right, Megan, we finally found something
that bores me, the friggin Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
That's another great moment from We don't have Eric to
kick around anymore Classic.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
But I did like the way that Megan subtly led
Eric right into his little trap. He was famous during
the the Pandemic Evan for saying that it's not boring.
I've never been bored in my life, and then Megan
just sort of, oh, but but you're bored waiting for
the Bengals to make a pick.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
I'm actually with him on on the way that the
draft works. Though, Oh it's just painful. It's too painful.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
But like that was just the tip of the iceberg.
Like we started off the draft and he was already
in a full throat rant before the first pick was made, and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
I was like, by the time they traded down he was.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
I'm looking at Douce, I'm like, I don't know if
we can make it. I don't have enough pepsi in
this planet to get me to it this weekend with him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
All right back here. Eight five to five past five
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Kevin in San Francisco just sent us a gift card
to Jersey Mike's crazy. So like draft is like Christmas
around here, Kevin. Yeah, Yeah, Kevin and sad one that

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will not go to No, yeah, Jersey Mike's. We've already
figured out how we're gonna get.

Speaker 7 (01:13:03):
It, and we're gonna maximize it. Paul, we got to
get the jumbos. I think, get some jumbos, you know,
don't cut it out.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
Okay, you've convinced me I'm listening. Didn't take much. I'm listening.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
I forgot those jumbos, uh Blake and Ohio rights in.
I've got my draft wishes and a question. So my
hope is, and I know a lot of Patriots fans
hate to hear it, is to trade back to somewhere
in the early twenties and gather an extra second or
third round pick. With this pick. I'd like to see
them take Jay Flowers if he's available. The guy is
electric and can get open. The team lacks a guy

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who can consistently separate, and Zay seems to fit the bill.
My question is, if the draft lays out like I hope,
and the team is able to gather another second or third,
what would you what would it take for them to
move up into the top six or eight picks in
the second round. I'd love to see Dwan Jones still
hanging around in the early second for them to scoop up. Okay,

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so what do you think about that strategy? Trade down,
take Zay, pick up extra picks in the second.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Or third, then go back up in the second, and
then go back.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
That's the best case scenario to me. If you're telling
me that I absolutely have to suffer through another trade
down in the first round. Like, if they're gonna do that,
then at least trade down and target a player that's
gonna move the needle a little bit and say, fine,
the trade back up in the second round. You know,
they've traded back up in the second round in five
consecutive drafts.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Yeah, that's one of the ones I was talking about.
They trade up as much as they trade down, but
it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
Yeah, they've done that, that Christian Barmore trade in the
second round five straight years. So I think that that's
very plausible.

Speaker 7 (01:14:37):
But I think the thing that looms over all of
it is just that they need elite talent.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
And talk about Darnel Washington. I see, I don't like
him as much as I do. I just that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
I do like him.

Speaker 7 (01:14:48):
I just question if he's being overrated because I don't
think he's ever gonna be that athletic.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
Because no, but he's being overrated because of that.

Speaker 7 (01:14:57):
Yeah yeah, you know, like like and he just always
looks like, you know, like a giraffe to me, Like,
you know, the way he runs is just you know,
he's just not a smooth athlete. I'm sure he'll be,
you know, a great solid tight end, But I don't know.
I just I wouldn't be opposed to him, But I
just think they need talented guys and it's and you
can sell me on Zay in the twenties and yeah,
that moves the needle, But who else other than Zay
in the twenties moves the needle? Like, you know, you

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can't tell me they're gonna trade down and get a
lot of those other guys that'll be around, like they'll
be nice. But I just think I'd love to just
get one player that I truly believe can be an
elite And if you.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
Target Zay, just take them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Yeah, try to try to spin the wheel and.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Right like, why are we going to roll the back?
Then he's gonna go from fourteen to twenty one and still.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Be Well, really, it's a big risk to trade down
with only one player. In mind, you trade down when
you have several players who you know are gonna be there,
you know, or you know you know at least one
of them will be there.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
Right Like, if they look at the receiver position and
they say Zay Addison, Quinton Johnston, and we're comfortable taking
any of those three guys. If we trade down, then
maybe do But I think the reason why you trade
down is because you get that AMMO to then maybe
trade back up again in the second round and get
two players inside the top forty instead of two players
inside the top fifty, which I guess you can. I

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can hear that argument.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
I didn't hate. Yeah, I didn't hate the scenario that,
but that's kind of what they've been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
Yeah, there's a couple of tackles, you know, he mentioned
Dwan Jones. I think Anton Harrison is going to be
right on that fringe end of the first round beginning
of the second round that if those guys hang on
into day two and you're sitting there, Day two is
getting started on Friday, and we're and our best availables
is up, and it's you know, a couple of these
tackles or maybe a guy like Emmanuel Forbes or one

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of the corners is still there. I like the idea
of that that second round trade up if you have
the AMO to do it, which I think you get
if you trade down, and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
It depends what you're getting to, like, like you could
trade down from fourteen, you know, as someone said, twenty
six earlier. That that's a big that's a big just
so you're probably gonna get something for that, right, you know. Yeah,
I guess a lot of people would rather have like
twenty one, forty six and fifty than fourteen and forty six.

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I wouldn't, especially when you have eleven draft picks, and
you know already now if you're one of those teams
that doesn't really help. You're just looking to trade down
to add some picks that you don't have, Like Miami
doesn't have a first round pick. Maybe they're looking to
add some some picks to the start. And I don't
love the guys that are available, Like, you know, to
Evan's point, you can get a group of three and

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you're pretty comfortable, okay, But the Patriots, like, how do
you get these players that put you over the top
if you can consistently pick further down?

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:17:54):
No, And to your point, pol, I think they got
eleven picks, like they already have the ammal guys on
the roster to move up, you know, so like would
anyone be that upset if he only came away with
god six draft picks? But you really love all of
them and they're all in ye spots where you like,
I'd be ok.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
Every point. There's seventy five guys already on the roster,
so that's that, that's eighty six. You're probably going to
get some specialists. Now. I know you can cut guys.
I mean there's you know, there's seventy five guys in
the roster. You know twenty of them shouldn't be worrying
about any mortgage payments. I don't know. I just I'm

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always in favor of getting the best players. If if
Zay Flower that's why I had no problem with that scenario.
But if you really like Zay Flowers and you think
he's a difference maker, why not just take him at fourteen? Now,
if you can do what the emailer said, yeah, I'd
rather have the guy I want at fourteen at twenty
one so I can add a pick in the top fifty. Sure, yeah,

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I think that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
But there's no guarantee.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
But there's no guarantee you're getting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Him, right.

Speaker 7 (01:18:57):
I wonder too, how much other teams, how well they
track other teams, Like, how on top of that are
they knowing all right, these six teams they are not taking?

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Are you sure they're not.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Taking They didn't do a really good job of that
last year with their first hard pick, right, Yeah, they
didn't say that. Well, it's tough projection.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
I mean, we spend so much time on the Patriots.
We could tell you immediately.

Speaker 7 (01:19:19):
But there's got to be someone within this building whose
whole job is just to tell you what is this
team going to take, Who do you think they like,
who fits their system? You know, who has that kind
of knowledge of every single team. But even then it
seems like someone else might trade up and grab one
of the guys you're targeting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I wonder how often it teams have moles that tell
other teams who they're interested in, and whether it's for
nothing or for money. So I was watching it, I wonder.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
I was watching one of those documentaries on NFL Netport
the weekend and they had the eighty four draft, and
that was the draft that Did you see this? Did
you watch this?

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
I've seen it before.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Yeah, okay. So one of the things they were talking
about was the pick the famous uh forty nine Ers
trade to get Jerry Rice. They traded with the Patriots,
and there was three receivers. Like Evan pointed out, that
they wanted, and they Walsh ends up calling Cincinnati Sam White,
who was his old offensive coordinator, and they're talking and

(01:20:19):
whis was like, like we Walsh told him like, we
want Eddie Brown, and White says, well, we like Eddie Brown.
And I was just surprised to hear them talking about
how this all unfolded, Like they kid just came right
out and said it. What if Cincinnati didn't really want
Eddie Brown, But like Sam, Wish obviously thought a lot
of Bill Walsh. You know what if in the back

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of his mind he was Jerry Rice. But Bill, Bill
thinks it's Eddie Brown. No, no, no, right, you know what
I mean? Yeah, right. I was surprised to hear talking
about it so openly. I don't know if that's exactly
the way it went down the way that Wish sort.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Of who can you trust who's gonna be giving you
false The.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Bottom line was that pick. By the way, as they
fell into it, they had three guys and that was
the guy that they liked the least, and they ended
up getting Jerry Rice.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
It's interesting though, when I was at the Shrine Bowl,
it's very early on in the process, but just to
listen to scouts and I don't know if these guys
are you know, what a level of scout they are,
but scouts from different teams sitting there talking to each
other about the players like they're on the same team.
I was fascinated to hear some of that chatter of

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you know, Bart and I were joking that one of
them was a Steelers scout and we were like, what
was he saying about the wide receivers, you know, and
stuff like that, just to hear here's a Steelers scout
and a Dolphins scout and they're talking about players openly
about what they think of these guys, even though they're
on different teams. So I think there is a little
bit more of that chatter than maybe you would expect.

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Not now, I don't think once we get really close
and it's at the end of.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
The day, you're all watching the same tape, right, You're
at the same practice. You know.

Speaker 7 (01:21:58):
It was the same thing I noticed when I, you know,
gone to a couple of those pro days, Like it
just was a little surprising. You just don't expect all
the scouts to kind of be friendly working together going
through that. I mean, they do it all the time.
It's like they just travel from school to school. Here
we are you know, what else are you going to talk?

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
They they pull together their numbers on like you know
they because they'll tie them forties and stuff like that
at pro days by by hand and they all come.
The number that usually comes out is an aggregate of
or the average of all the scouts that were there,
and they make like a circle and like somebody like
leads the huddle, and basically it's just like what time
do you have? What time do you have? What time

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do you have? And then they average it out.

Speaker 7 (01:22:36):
It just fascinates me how they do that, like when
you know, like how like how how it can match up.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
They would have a little bit better way.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
To do that when we have a little combine here
every year for high school kids in the bubble and uh,
they have electronic timers now, but I still go with
the iPhone and I use.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
The bop high hand.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
How close are you?

Speaker 21 (01:22:57):
Not?

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Way off? But it's something where you're talking am the internet.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
The hundredths of second then made the combine the physical.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
Bench pressing must have liked you couldn't wait for that part.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Uh, Mitch in Albany, Is it safe to say that
the off season for the Patriots has been pretty quiet
and Mundane I was hoping we would get at least
one more emergency podcast because that would have meant they
actually did something worth noting. Second, if the Patriots were
to take jsn or Flowers, do you guys think the
offense is complete or they would still be missing another threat?
And do you think Belichick and the coaches think jsn

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or Flowers completes the offense and they don't need to
make any more moves.

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
And besides offensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Yeah, in terms of weapons, I just think you know,
they brought in Gasiki, they brought in Shuster, kind of
a replacement if they brought in a receiver in the
first round. Do you think in terms of weapons they're done.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
I think they have to be, because you got those
guys kind of play. Yeah, say, you just can't have
too many mouths to feed.

Speaker 7 (01:24:02):
I just think for me that it's just the general
trait of quickness in the middle of the field.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
I just don't think they have that.

Speaker 7 (01:24:07):
I think they got some good size, some good lengths,
some good guys to go down the field. I just
I'd like to get a couple of horizontal guys to
round it out. I mean we can say, of course
they need that like dynamic X receiver. I don't know
if they're going to find that in this draft, but
I mean I think overall, I'd be at least intrigued.
Right now, it just feels kind of like I think.
I mean, I'm you know, we did the roundtable kind
of with Kasiki, you know, like I think Juju, I'm

(01:24:29):
I'm interested to see kind of what what his version is,
but ultimately expect him to be vaguely as productive as.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Yeah, he could could be significant upgrade from Jacob, but
right now we're thinking it's kind of a swap. But
you know, because Smith just never caught on, you're hoping
that Kaiski Kasiki is a clear upgrade there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
It just gives some disclosure. I had to do a
Google search on the Patriots free agent signings, So no,
it didn't like Robinson, No, I picked when I when
I put up a oh yeah, that to me is
the only like to your point, like, I think that
he should be right, should be significantly better than Jona Smith, right,

(01:25:09):
but in terms of that like emergency podcast where obviously
will be on the air, did they make a trade
this weekend, not a draft trade. Oh, like for a player?
Do they acquire a player, a veteran player.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
I'm gonna say yes, just because I feel like they
usually do.

Speaker 7 (01:25:26):
Like I don't know, there's always seems like there's some movement.
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna say
they will.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
I've been percolating on that. I think yes, as well
as Jerry Judy done, can I can?

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
We can? We pivot? Sure? Brandon Aiyuk? Why the hell
would San Francisco on trade him?

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
Because they don't have the money to pay all of them.
He's in the same exact position contractually as Jerry Judy,
same spot his fourth year right now of his rookie deal,
going into the fifth year option.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
But they're super Bowl caliber like Denver, right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
But I could see a team like San Francisco thinking
that we can trade Brandon Nayuk and we can draft
insertin name here, and we have the system and we
have the infrastructure that that guy's going to be as
good as Brandon nay.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
That would be just as arrogant as that ding bat
would would act. He would say, it doesn't matter. I
can just plug the guy in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Yeah, and then you know, usually this trade happens on
the second day, right after the teams have gotten their
first round. It's like, okay, now we'll trade so and so.
Usually that's you know, Randy Moss was second day, you know, you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
Know, yeah, and that's what I'm talking. I don't necessarily
mean Thursday night, but right, I think that we've sort
of forgotten about acquiring somebody via trade. And I don't
ever rule it out, no.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
But for good reason, because it's so hard to say
what are they going to do?

Speaker 7 (01:26:49):
I mean, you can throw random players out there that
could possibly make sense, but probably it's going to be
somebody that we haven't of course, you know it's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Oh yeah, right.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
I just brought up by Yuk because some of the
the forty nine ers beat writers that I follow have
been talking a lot about wide receivers in this draft
for them because of that exact reason, we're just gonna
swap them out. You know, we're not gonna pay Auk
long term, so we're already paying Debo and Kittle and McCaffrey,
and you know, they don't have the money to pay
all these guys, and so what's the difference to them

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between Nyuk and Jonathan Mingo or who you know, whoever,
and they kind of just do a swap there and
get something back for Brandon Nyuk. I don't know, it
just it dawned on me as somebody that we talked
so much about Hopkins, we talked so much about Judy,
and it's sort of going after that, what's that Who's
the guy that nobody's talking about that all of a
sudden gets moved like aj Brown last year?

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Yeah, Sam in North Carolina says last season, I felt
the defense had a hard time getting off the field
on third in three to five yards. Is there someone
the Patriots could draft that could help them get off
the field in these situations? Yeah, Christian Gonzale.

Speaker 5 (01:27:58):
I mean, they just had trouble getting off the field
on third down. I don't think that the distance of
the yardage was really.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
I mean, I would say that probably all defenses struggle
in that situation, third and three to five.

Speaker 3 (01:28:09):
Right, everything's on the table.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
Yeah, and you don't have to necessarily execute at a
high level on third and three, you know, a quick
hit or boom. You know, we didn't get a we
didn't get a big gain, but we moved the chains.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Alex writes in from Charlotte. Question for Paul uh about
the state of the team? Uh, First, which pick on
Thursday is less disappointing for you? B John Robinson or
a tackle at fourteen which is.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
Less less disappointing would be the tackle? And I love
B John Robins. Before anybody said, like, I think B.
John Robinson's a very good player. We kind of talked
about this. There's an argument we made that he's the
best player in this class. He might not be, but
there's an argument for it. I just don't like the
idea of a running back that high. Maybe it's stubborn.
I mean it's not the first time I'd be guilty

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of that. I'd be less disappointed with the tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Secondly, if you could wave a magic wand and just
get rid of the O line and D line in
football and you are the GM of the team, what
wide receive was did you bring in via trade draft
or signed to add explosive That's that's a loaded question. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
I like Evans brandan Ayuka theory. I just I guess
I'll never underestimate his stupidity. I think nothing of Shannan.
If you can't tell, I think absolutely nothing of a
guy who is the championship game so arrogant and he
keeps costing them when you get there. Well not this year,

(01:29:39):
but I just think that the idea that you could
get doesn't matter. I just I plucked him off the
off the stud tree because it's my system. That's you know,
maybe he will trade him, maybe he'll think like that,
but I would look at it and say, I'm super
Bowl caliber right now. I have guy in his fourth

(01:30:00):
year in a contract year. It behooves him to light
it up for him. And if I can't retain him,
I can't retain him. But I'm gonna roll the dice
and just say.

Speaker 7 (01:30:11):
I can do it with anybody, especially with like it
sounds like somebody else, McCaffrey, Debo injuries.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
You know, it's my point, like, what happens if you
do that? You draft a guy who may or may
not be able to play. Let's face it, it's a
draft pick who knows and then Debo, who's always in
and out of the lineup, and McCaffrey, who's always in
and out of the lineup, are hurt at the same time.
So now you got George Kittle, who, by the way,
also isn't the most durable player. And that's it. I

(01:30:39):
have the super Bowl caliber roster in my system that
evidently is flawless. Although I've never won a title.

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
It is a good system, you know, And I could
just plug anybody into it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
But now I got nothing. I have no one to
plug in. I mean, it's a good point. I don't
think that he I don't think that Evan's wrong. I
think that's the way he thinks.

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
I would not have thrown it out there if I
didn't see some of the San Francisco media chattering about it,
Like I'm reading these about the forty nine ers and
all the like wide receivers at near the top of
the needs list because of getting out ahead of Brandon Nayuk.
You know, in his contract, you spent a better pro
than Jerry Jude and everybody's got over Judy, right, He's

(01:31:22):
been a lot better in the pros than Judy. I'm
a different situation, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
He doesn't have that magic system.

Speaker 5 (01:31:28):
Well he doesn't mean Jerry Judy doesn't have George Kittle
and Christian McCaffrey and Deebo Samuel taking the attention.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
But yeah, yeah, should we give away a T shirt?
Matt Oh wow, okay, all right, so we'll give away
a T shirt. First correct answer that emails it to
web radio at Patriots dot com wins the T shirt.
It's a Patriot's unfiltered T shirt. And the question is,
what was the name of the Patriots first online video show?

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What was the name of the Patriots first online video show?

Speaker 7 (01:32:04):
Maybe we should bring some T shirts up to the
draft party on Thursday, and we still don't have that
T shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
Gun got gotta have some reason for being at the
draft party.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Oh, you got to write it down.

Speaker 4 (01:32:16):
I went an hour and a half.

Speaker 7 (01:32:19):
Well, I was thinking if we have one of those
T shirt launching machines that we could, you know, find
lucky fans in the stands and shirt faced.

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
As long as I'm not doing the firing, because I
do not want to then fired.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Right, Let's see Rory in the UK writes in Happy
Aaron Rodgers Day. Everyone with the Patriots, now the bookies
least favorite to win the division, and the team's recent
draft history fresh in our minds, I'm sure excitement is
high in Patriot's Nation. If you find your I sent
a little sarcast.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
Vegas is always.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
We have a winner already in Albany. Who Mitch from
Albany with Patriots cyber sideline.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
That's correct, my roommate, welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
All right. Maybe we'll do another uh.

Speaker 4 (01:33:04):
Welcome to you later in the show cyber sideline.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
All right, good Mitch.

Speaker 24 (01:33:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
If you find yourself a little too excited about the
upcoming draft to need your mood setting settling down a bit,
I highly recommend the excellent NFL film channel NFL Throwback
on YouTube. Sit back pop on the two thousand and
eight or twenty thirteen draft or something like that, and
watch all those teams who are sure they're getting better
now that they have Goster Cherilists or Chance Warmack sarcasm aside.

(01:33:33):
I'm fully on board with just drafting. No, I'm just
I'm fully on board with just drafting someone who's fun
to watch, like Deontay Banks or z or something just
give me hope.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
And I thinkists from Somerville by the oh.

Speaker 5 (01:33:49):
I find it interesting that that people find that there
are a lot of people do find corners to be
fun to watch, because I I enjoy breaking down corners,
But on TV, you don't even see him seventy five
percent of the time, right, So, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
They're fun to watch when you need that play at
the end of the fourth quarter to win the game,
and they make it fun.

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
Right sure, yeah, like a guy like that, But yeah,
I get that. I just I don't know. I know
what you don't banks is really going to get like
people are like, Yeah, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
I don't know. I'm really starting to warm up on
save Flowers though. I mean, he's there's enough of these
national pundits that are high on Zay Flowers in terms
of visibility that make me say, maybe I should give
him a second look because BC isn't known for wide receivers.
They're not known for offense. You know my linement ever
since time offensive Lineman's yeah, ever since Tom koffin Matt Ryan,

(01:34:43):
you know. And uh so, the fact that Zay Flowers
is that high up with a lot of these expert
means he broke through, you know, that barrier that DC
players have, so he might be better than we all
think he is. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:34:57):
I mean I don't think he could be better than
I think that would be hard, you know, So I
like I'm wondering.

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
What everybody thinks. What how do you know what everybody thinks.
I've been doing my first or second round pick.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
No, but they're saying like he's got exceptional ability to
get separation. That you know, if he had had a
quarterback that was more accurate, he'd be even better.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
I mean, but I think everybody has him in their
top five receivers. Yeah, but in the class. I mean,
I think he's very high.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
But I think a lot of people don't think you
should pick him high in the first round. I think
you should wait till late first round, early whatever. But
I wouldn't take him high in the first round. But
I've heard people saying I'm guilty. Don't don't let the
size cloud your judgment.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
I will, Like, I just think the size thing is
just that's today's game is just today like it's so
it's so much leans towards like the player that Zay
Flowers is. Like, I just I always get caught up
on the size thing because you can't touch anybody down
the field anymore, so like who's who? Like where is
the physicality overpowering? And maybe at the line of scrimmage,

(01:35:59):
But if you're not playing him a ton on the outside,
and he's not going to face a ton of press
coverage anyways. So I keep going back to that when
people are like always too small, and I'm just like,
who is, Like they can't ride receivers down the field anymore.
If he breaks at the top of the route and
somebody grabs him, it's going to be a flag every
single time. So where is the physicality part of it?

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
I concern with size has nothing to do with getting
off press coverage. It has to do with withstanding the
punishment over the middle, which my guess is at Boston College,
he didn't take a lot of shots over the middle. Yeah,
but I think I think you will now listen, Edelman
was able to withstand them and Welker was able to
withstand them. They both had long careers in that spot
at similar size. I just think he's a different guy.

(01:36:40):
Is really small.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
I heard one pundit compare you know, minus the craziness
to Antonio Brown.

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
That that's like the popular ceiling comparison for him, meaning
if he absolutely hits it out of the park, he could.
He has that type of movement skill. But I just
I don't know if he's going to be a guy
that's going to have to live in that real middle,
packed in the middle of the field because he has
that explosiveness to separate over the top. So how is
he going to survive the middle of the field. Probably

(01:37:07):
by running away from everybody, Like you know, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
What he did in college. When you're watch him on tape,
he runs away from everybody. I don't think you can
do that in the pros. That's fair, We'll see, because
I think everybody's that fast in the pros.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Okay, all right, but it's it's how quickly do you
go from zero to the accounting from that was? You know,
if you go to forty speed, that's different. But I'm
talking about the shuttle speed, the cone.

Speaker 7 (01:37:30):
Quick the ins and the outs, the three coney.

Speaker 5 (01:37:37):
He actually didn't run the agilities, which for some people
is a little bit of a flag because he looks
really quick on film, So what are you hiding?

Speaker 8 (01:37:46):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:37:46):
Are you not at?

Speaker 5 (01:37:46):
But I think with him, his quickness really shows up
after the catch, like he's one of those guys that
you know, he had a cut against Louisville where he
broke two guys his ankles and one cut right and
then he just kind of takes off up the sideline.
So I don't know, I don't necessarily look at him
as like a Welker Edelman slot. I look at him
more as like a Dion Branch type of receiver that's

(01:38:07):
gonna get up the field a little bit more. So
I'm not as concerned about him getting hit.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
I mean, I will say this, I will not be
disappointed if that's the pick. I like the idea of
adding a dynamic athlete in the passing game. You know
how you always like, well, if they pick him, I'll
I'll be on.

Speaker 5 (01:38:25):
If they have him in Taekwon on the field together.
Even if Taekwon is just just a fast guy that's
running in a straight line. That that's some serious explosive.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Throw Marcus Jones out there for a player too.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
I have some concerns about I have a day pick.
I mean I've been saying that for four months.

Speaker 3 (01:38:43):
The rhyming that you could do, the headlines.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Kids, no.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
Mackenzie, things are blooming in Gele.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Oh, the flowers, yeah, oh, we could go crazy with him.

Speaker 7 (01:39:06):
Uh, local kid Eric might come out of retirement just
for that to like, for all the flowers puns that
he could.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
Yeah, April drafting brings trade flowers.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Yeah, Todd's and Greenville. What's up? Todd.

Speaker 24 (01:39:20):
Let me begin by congratulating you on listening to your
draft team and finding Eric's replacement with you know, that
youthful snark and knowledge of the game. And most importantly,
you know, Evan cares about the game, so that's probably
that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Liking football is a big advantage.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
He likes the game too much.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Yeah. Married to the game, baby.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
Yeah, I'm sure your girlfriend was hearing that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Told her the other night. You didn't go over well
for me for this draft.

Speaker 24 (01:39:44):
What I'm looking for, do the Patriots address the needs
based on the current you know, I don't know take
zeitgeist because that's Spread's word, but the current you know,
mode of play in the NFL. Do they get fast linebackers,
do they get that outside speed? They do they address
it looking to where the game is or do they
go back to saying, hey, we're going to do some

(01:40:04):
smash po stuff. We're going to do our style, you know,
this controlled stuff and we're going to you know, run
first past second whatever. I really want to see what
they do because I think that's going to tell us
where the staff is what they're thinking and how it's
going to go forward. I think that's what we got
to look for. Yeah, what does your guys take?

Speaker 15 (01:40:21):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 4 (01:40:22):
Thanks.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
They they draft a fast linebacker in the top one hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
Ball in this class. Not a great linebacker class. I think.

Speaker 5 (01:40:32):
I saw somebody I think is Marcus Moser. One of
those people does like a big consensus board every year
which takes like Kuiper McShay and Jeremiah and like all
the big draft people and puts it all in one
aggregate board. And Jack Campbell was the I know Drew
Sanders consensus number one linebacker at like forty six or

(01:40:53):
something like that in the top one hundred. You know,
just not not a great linebacker class this year.

Speaker 7 (01:40:59):
I just think for me, the biggest issue I see
with that linebacker thing is is just when they get
with the mobile guys, you know, it's like the safeties
can't quite stick with them and you know, get him
down and the linebackers can't catch them, and you know,
they just get stuck in the middle area.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
But otherwise I've given up.

Speaker 7 (01:41:14):
I just like they they that's what their philosophy is
with strong safeties and linebackers until Jawan Bentley leaves or
till I leaves or you know, they have to make
a decision on Dougger.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
I think that's what they're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
Would you take van Ness in the first round at fourteen? No? No,
I didn't love him.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
You don't I like him, but not at fourteen?

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
I mean, I'd much rather.

Speaker 7 (01:41:36):
I mean, it's stupid to say, but I mean the
Tyree Wilson's like those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
He's someone I've seen anywhere from top ten to down
in the twenties.

Speaker 5 (01:41:44):
If they take van Ness, then Bill better get a
good review from what's his name? The coach at Iowa,
i Farence, because he wasn't a full time player at Iowa.
He didn't start a single game right at Iowa. And
he was like a four hundred snap guy last year.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
But he was out there on all the key situations.

Speaker 5 (01:42:03):
He was but he was like their josh u Ja.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:42:06):
And it's if you're drafting him at fourteen, then you
need him to be a three down player. So why
wasn't he a three down player at Iowa. It's not
like Iowa had seventeen defensive ends that were all, you know,
it's not Alabama, Like, we're not talking about a school
that has five star recruits up the wazoo on the
defensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
So yeah, let's go to Aaron in New Haven. What's up, Aaron? Aaron?
Are you on mute? Okay, Aaron is gone. I'm sorry
about that matchup. Aaron sam in Toronto rights in. He said,
I wrote a whole email on my thoughts that the

(01:42:44):
Patriot should draft offense with the first two or three picks,
as I believe they need to stop trying to win
games with a score of six to three and get
back to being able to win thirty eight, thirty five.
Oh Paul would love that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
Well, that was the beauty of Brady. He could Beatre
six three or thirty eighth, whatever you decided.

Speaker 5 (01:43:01):
Was And then everybody said he played well when they
won six to three.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
Then I remember they used their Then I remember more
than I am. Then I remember they used their first
two picks on offense last year, and it didn't matter.
So I deleted the whole thing to now say I
don't care what they do as long as they hit
on the players they take this. Teams need franchise players
on both sides of the ball bad. But I'm keeping

(01:43:25):
expectations low going into it to protect myself after the
last ten or so drafts. I just hope the first
two picks don't cause the PR team to have to
turn on the spin machine like last year about the
picks that they weren't reaches and that if we didn't
take them, another team was about to. Let's let the
other teams do the early reaching. Please good email.

Speaker 7 (01:43:46):
I mean, that's what the bottom line is, Like, I
don't really care trade up, trade down, but like, just
hit the picks, Like, just hit the picks, and good
players have been selected in every round of the draft,
and that's what they have to do. And until they
start getting those guys, it's it's gonna be more of
this like seven eight win seasons.

Speaker 5 (01:44:01):
Yeah, that's why I've been really as the draft gets closer,
like the whole what position should they take in the
first round?

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Good football player?

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
Like just get me somebody that is that is going
to have some elite potential or whatever position it is
other than nose tackle and running back.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
I don't really think that it's true, but that's the
beauty of needing four or five spots you don't have
to be pigeonholed into taking one.

Speaker 5 (01:44:28):
I also think, you know, to spin it with a
little bit of positivity. In free agency, they filled out
the back end of the depth chart and they added
some guys at tackle. They added some guys you know
that can that are those depth pieces. So because you
have a Riley Reef on the roster, you're not absolutely
desperate to take a tackle in the first round.

Speaker 4 (01:44:49):
I agree you could take one in the third round
that you have an idea. Maybe it isn't quite ready,
but I can plug in Riley Reef and I'm probably
gonna get twelve games out of him, and if I
need my rookie third round pick to play four or five,
I'll be okay.

Speaker 7 (01:45:03):
That's why cornerback sticks out to me because I do
have some confidence in them at tackle and developing tackles
and you know those kind of things. Like a guy
like Tyler Steen, you know, like I could see that
being the pick and then he.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Kind of emerges with cornerback.

Speaker 7 (01:45:15):
I just that with this class, with where they're picking,
it just there's a handful of really potential elite guys
and then you get into good corners that are fine,
and they could fill a role. But for of all
the positions that I feel like, if it's now or never,
I feel like that's probably cornerback.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
For me.

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
It's like if you don't get one at fourteen, you're
probably just gonna, you know, take a take a shot
on somebody in the second or third round that you
know just isn't the slam dunk it that Gonzales or Banks.

Speaker 5 (01:45:39):
Or Macro is up there. Gushing about the cornerback class
last week, he said that there's gonna be a couple
of corners on Sauces level like that high up in
the in the draft. You know, I'm sure he's talking
about like Witherspoon and Gonzales, but.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
I've heard that there's a lot of good players in
that position that you're gonna They're gonna be really good
players in the lower round too.

Speaker 5 (01:46:00):
I think you're drafting startable corners into Day three.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
So yeah, I mean, I think you could talk yourself
either way like Mike's Mike's theory or you know, like
that you know, the tackle theory, because if you I
think it's the same at all positions. If you want
a guy to plug and play, you need to take
him in the first round. Now you have to decide,
is Broderick Jones or Paris Johnson and Peter Scronsky a
better player than Banks or Porter or whoever you Because

(01:46:28):
I'm assuming my dream of Gonzales and with you know,
everybody has Witherspoon and Gonzales in the top ten. I'm
assuming they're gone. So now you're talking about Porter or
who Banks? Your guy? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Yeah? We like Banks. We like Banks, not as big
on Porter as I was talking about all the great
quarterbacks to the AFC East. Now David and Bethlehem says,
what is the kryptonite for them defensive ends? Let's forget
O line prudence and draft a game wrecker. Please tell
us who we should draft in that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
Case, ty w of course he could be off the board.
I picked two.

Speaker 5 (01:47:01):
But if he's not, you can read my mock draft
and I'll show you how the Patriots can get him.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
Find out there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
Kryptonite though, yeahing, Aaron Rodgers won how many MVPs no
one had a defensive end.

Speaker 5 (01:47:14):
I guess to be fair, though, every single quarterback, whether
it's Aaron Rodgers or it's Patrick Mahomes, when you put
pressure on him, they play worse like that's just the
that's the bottom line, no doubt, And now you need
to have guys that can cover for at least a
little bit to get that. Let the rush get there
and all marries up. As Bill likes to say, but
there's an argument there to be made that if they

(01:47:37):
added Tyree Wilson to Judan and Ouch and Barmore and
Dietrich U like, now they have this elite front that
can get after Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 7 (01:47:47):
Yep, I mean I set up before, what does this
defense look like without Matthew Judon.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
I just think the drop off and the change that's
required if that guy got hurt, it's it's the.

Speaker 7 (01:47:55):
Falloff will be humongous. And neither of those other guys
are three down guys. I I could totally see them
trying to take a three down defensive end edge guy
makes it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Caleb wrights In been wanting to make this point for
a while that I think gets overlooked a lot of
the by the loud minority of our fan base. I know,
the last couple of years we've been seeing teams around
the AFC and the whole AFC East catch up and
pass us by far in terms of playmakers and talent.
I think it is often overlooked that the Bills, Jets,

(01:48:27):
and Dolphins, along with others around the AFC are in
their competitive position because they absolutely sucked for ten years
or more. Especially the teams in the AFC East have
only just now been able to field good teams after
years of top ten after top ten pick, multiple top
ten picks for the Jets, which landed them Sauce and Wilson.
I get it. Bill has whiffed in the draft in

(01:48:49):
years of late, but we also have won three Super
Bowls and have been to five since twenty eleven. People,
while we are rebuilding, every AFC East team are exhausting
their means to win it all now, and you can
only have one Super Bowl winner every season. So I
guess this point is that they've been drafting high for
a long time and we haven't.

Speaker 7 (01:49:09):
That's fine, and there's definitely truth to some of those
players that the other teams have had opportunities to play,
but they've also you know, made other selections like you know,
Matt Malano or you know, other picks that they've hit
on that weren't necessarily even those top round picks that
have been successful. And I mean the Patriots are now
what going on four years, haven't won a playoff game,

(01:49:29):
haven't made the playoffs in two of the last three years.
If if you know still telling you, hey, they've been
to five Super Bowls each year, it gets more and
more like it's not going in a good direction right now.

Speaker 4 (01:49:38):
The Bills I sort of bristle at the whole, like, well,
you've got to be up to The Bills made what
I don't what I think is a very underrated move.
I don't think people understand the risk that they took
to get up and get Josh Allen, Like they didn't
luck into the fourth overall pick, and they were they

(01:49:59):
would terrible in the right year, and got the stud first.
There was nowhere near a consensus on Josh Allen coming
out second. They went from I believe twenty seven to
ten or something like that. They went from the twenties
to like ten to get Josh Allen, so a guy
that not everybody was good. They didn't do that to
get Andrew Luck. They did that to get a guy

(01:50:23):
that not everybody was sold on. And they were right
and that's why the Bills are what they are right now.
Like you can talk about they picked in the top ten, well,
they were in the playoffs in seventeen, nineteen, twenty, twenty one,
twenty two. Like this is not like, oh, they got
good last year because they had ten years of first rumpet,

(01:50:44):
you know, top ten picks. That ain't it. They've they've
gotten good because they've nailed a quarterback pick that not
everybody would have done. And I'll be completely honest, I
would have done that. I wasn't sold on Josh Allen
coming out like that. I was intrigued by the skill set,
but would you have trade it up? No? I think
they made two trades actually to do it. I don't
have the numbers in front of me, but I think

(01:51:06):
they to go from the twenties to ten to get
Josh Allen, which I don't think a lot of gms
would have done. Well.

Speaker 5 (01:51:13):
The Chiefs did the same thing for Patrick Mahomes, And
I think that this is to you know the email,
and I'm right there with you, not top ten picks.
The Patriots also just don't think that way, right, The
Patriots don't think that way. They don't do it that way,
and for better or worse, it hasn't really worked out
the way that they do things. The trade down and
draft cole strained strategy hasn't really panned out for them

(01:51:34):
now that the Bills they traded all the way up
to draft Josh Allen, then they traded a first round
pick for Stefan Diggs. These are moves that the Patriots
have not made, and it will not make.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
If it works for the Jets. That's an example of
what the email is talking about. The Jets have had
several years of ineptitude, several top ten picks. They finally,
I mean, they've hit on a lot of them, and
if they have the quarterback now, they'll probably see, you know,
some success. Yes, that's an example of that they got
good because they were so bad. But I don't necessarily

(01:52:05):
think the Bills are good right now because they were bad.
You know in twenty fourteen fifteen, you know, in that
era or Kansas City, they also were going to the
playoffs with Tyrod Taylor, much like Kansas City that haven't
just mentioned was going to the playoffs every year with
Alex Smith. They got to a different level when they
got the stud at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
So Alex says, because Paul is a crazy memory, I
wanted to challenge him to see if he could recall
drewp LED's those four touchdown performance against the Chargers, name
how each touchdown pass was scored either by how many
yards or by who?

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
What do you dance for us? Monkey?

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
Wait, First of all, that's a little bit even for me,
that's a little ridiculous. Really we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
This would be right on the tip of your tongue.

Speaker 4 (01:52:49):
Well, I need more information. Can I know what Charger
game we're talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
It was the game they won forty one to seven.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
Okay? Is this at home or on the road?

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
It was probably the one No?

Speaker 4 (01:52:59):
Six? It was away ninety six, Okay. The ones that
stands out to me is a one handed catch by
Terry Glenn on a ball that just proving that I
am I am nothing but fair. Then drew through a
terrible ball, so Terry Glenn reached back. One of them
wasn't one way and he caught it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Yeah, one was a twenty five yard pass to Terry Glenn.

Speaker 4 (01:53:17):
I got nothing else for you. I assume one was
to Ben Coats.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
But yeah, Ben COT's four yard pass and then twelve
yard passed to Sam Gash and a two yard passed
to Keith Buyers.

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
Okay, wow, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Was at fullbacks get that was?

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
That was thanksgivings the h back.

Speaker 5 (01:53:35):
How could Terry Glenn do that when Bill Parcells didn't
get the draft them.

Speaker 4 (01:53:38):
I don't know. That was one handed catch by Glenn
and he never made another play. Someone was right about him.
His name was Bill Pushall.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Terry Glenn never made another play.

Speaker 4 (01:53:54):
Terry Glenn was a colossal disappointment. That's a little harsh.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
He broke the rookie record for with catches.

Speaker 4 (01:54:01):
Colossal disappointed, the rookie record for quarterback play true.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Baker Mayfield, No, but he wasn't a disappointment that homework.

Speaker 4 (01:54:10):
It's just like who cares who cut the most. Overall,
he didn't have a great career. Oh No, he was
a waste of talent.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
He was a waste to tell but that he had
a great year that year he did.

Speaker 4 (01:54:21):
Yeah, and Bill knew what the flags were.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
Overall, he wasn't He wasn't uh disappointment.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
He was a good player. Oh. I loved Terry Gwinn absolutely,
but he was not what he was supposed.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
To be No, he could have been so much better now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
He never got back to ninety, never.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
Reached that potential, but he was always out of the
lineup because it wasn't that important to him.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Bill knew a lot of issues. R I p a
lot of issues. That's right, Peter writes in Can't Wait
for the Draft shows, he died, gott he died. As
others have said, they are my favorite shows, so we
get so much content. I enjoyed Eric getting upset and

(01:55:04):
then shutting down, but when Paul was not sold on.

Speaker 4 (01:55:07):
Solder Evan will be ready to shut it down.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
I enjoyed Mike's absolute disappearance from the first draft show.
I don't know that he liked that. I was just
watching even tomorrow from last year, having so many chances
for the team to pick her guys and they never did.
I'm a bit of a weirdo and wait to listen
to the podcast the day after. I checked to see
who the Patriot's a picked. Usually it's someone terrible or unexpected.

(01:55:29):
There is nothing better than hearing the disappointment in all
of you guys where the pick is made, then some
of you managed to pretend you're happy about the pick.
I won't say who can't wait.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
My favorite draft tradition is Fred's disappointment followed by the
next night excitement.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Well then I go home and I, you know, do
my and then I come back and I tell you
why it.

Speaker 4 (01:55:55):
Was a good checks.

Speaker 5 (01:55:57):
Please don't tell me that. Please don't tell me you
talk yourself into cal strange.

Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
He had a hard time with that. Yeah, no, we
gotta draw the line.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Yeah no, no, I still say that I don't mind
them taking a guard because they need one. But not there,
not there. You could have had him later or someone
of his Yeah, John, and Denver writes in time is
it because we got Catch twenty two coming up right
Tuesday Special Tuesday edition of Catch twenty two. I flipped

(01:56:28):
back and forth on if the Patriot should draft Levis.
At first I thought he was a second t bow
and wanted no part of him. Then I wanted him
when I remembered that scene from Moneyball where one of
the scouts at the roundtable says a player can't be
good because his girlfriend is six is a six at best,
and that proves he has no confidence. If you follow
this line of thinking, Will has all the confidence in

(01:56:49):
the world and gonna hot girlfriend. But I recently learned
Will Levis eats bananas without peeling them, money and puts
mayo in his coffee. Certified psychopath, and I want nothing
to do with that level of crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:57:03):
Finally, that's the exact kind of crazy that makes people.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
I heard about that and coffee and just eat the skin.

Speaker 5 (01:57:12):
And all, and Tom Brady ate avocado ice cream. They're
all a little crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
Finally, the NFL Twitter account posted a photo of his
physical transformation, and I had deuced Derek Henry. I had
aduced Derek Henry moment, and his stature is insane. In
the end, I have no idea what to think about
looking forward to the always great draft shows. Thanks for
the great shows, but looking forward to more off season
talk coming soon.

Speaker 7 (01:57:37):
Okay, great, I mean I don't want to build it
up too much, but I think that this one.

Speaker 3 (01:57:43):
I think this potential they could get dark. We could
be in a dark place.

Speaker 4 (01:57:46):
Potential.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
Let's remember you're on live radio.

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
That's being fed directly into the Patrio's drafts.

Speaker 4 (01:57:52):
Well, good for you. That will be off video by
that time.

Speaker 5 (01:57:56):
So yeah, because then I can like give myself a
second to collect myself self if it's really as bad
as it might be. And then like you guys can talk,
you know, and give your reactions and then I'll collect it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
Is it too late to effort? And Evan iso Cam
maybe we get like that they just that like you know,
the slow zoom speeds of sweat.

Speaker 5 (01:58:15):
But the thing is is I really mean that I
do it out of love, like because I want them
to be good, and so when they do stuff that
I can't get behind, then that it's disappointment.

Speaker 4 (01:58:25):
It's that's true like that. I think that was Eric's
big problem because I think Eric would morph back into
like twelve year old Eric. Yeah and yeah, really be excited, and.

Speaker 5 (01:58:35):
That's what the draft brings out of it more so
than this will be disappointment.

Speaker 4 (01:58:39):
And I really think that was part of Eric's anger.

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
But to me, it was just it was laughable because
if there's one person who really shouldn't be second guessing anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:58:50):
It's Eric.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
You know, I really a guard.

Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
Oh that was such an unnecessary shot that I would
just been.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
But I like Evan at least he puts the work in.
You know, he's working tirelessly, so he has informed opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
You know, But that's what makes it. That's all on
the radio.

Speaker 5 (01:59:16):
I agree with the most of that, except that he's
lost my trust.

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
So yeah, I'm sure he's lost sleep with that.

Speaker 5 (01:59:26):
He probably hasn't but talked to me when he hits
on a first round.

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
Paying I could just see all access. So behind the
scenes in the Patriots war room. And so what's our
kids saying? We'll take care.

Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
Might be right every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
All right, that's going to be it for this edition
of Patriots Unfiltered. Yeah, I got things to do. Catch
twenty two, though the fund doesn't stop. More draft talk
another two hours. Alex Barth and Evan coming up next Thursday.
We'll see you seven thirty Live.

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