Patriots Unfiltered 4/28: Day 2 NFL Draft Show, Christian Gonzalez In-Studio

Tune-in as we offer coverage of Day 2 of of the 2023 NFL Draft. We offer instant analysis of Patriots selections of Keion White in the second round and LB Marte Mapu in the third round. Plus, we are joined by Patriots first round pick Christian Gonzalez in-studio.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
Welcome to the twenty twenty three Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show,
presented by Aristocrat Gaming.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
Did everybody quick, you pick one guy, one player?

Speaker 5 (00:21):
You gotta find off on it. That's what the Patriots
are taking it.

Speaker 6 (00:23):
Fourteen Christian Gonzalez. I'm gonna take Christian gonzalas too.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Going to be with us book, I think, okay, just
like Witherspoon better. I'm saying it's going to be. It
is going to be withersbook. I worry about your use
of the word shop. They went shock. What does that mean?

Speaker 6 (00:39):
I afraided guys.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, so the guys on the chop they didn't they
didn't try.

Speaker 6 (00:44):
J Carter, I mean, if I haven't seen anybody, I've
seen it a few times now.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Confirms the pick is in for Eagles. Paul, you got
a tip the Eagles? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (00:53):
Oh, Bear's pick is in. Oh.

Speaker 7 (00:57):
I love this offensive tax Charnell Right, all right, Tennessee, Right.

Speaker 8 (01:03):
Chicago, Chicago, Alright, Tennessee.

Speaker 6 (01:07):
We're gonna need you to listen what Evan just talked about.
Right about two minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I was just I just had to go to the bathroom. Sat.

Speaker 6 (01:16):
Thanks for taking you, Mike. We did I do?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I do?

Speaker 9 (01:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I didn't. I'm although I could have got an electric shoot.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
But this is the twenty twenty three Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show,
presented by Aristocrat Game.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
All Right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, the twenty twenty three
Draft Extravaganza. We are here in the bowels of Gillette
Stadium while the team, the football part of the team,
is in the war room getting ready for rounds two
and three tonight. We are gonna be here from seven
o'clock until ten o'clock live, covering everything we can during

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that time. We're on video until till eight o'clock and
then per league rules, will be just going to audio
from eight to ten. But it's Mike, So, it's Evan Lazarre,
It's Paul Perowell, myself, Matt Morel, and Matt Lapan in
the booth. Others may join us later, who knows.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
Maybe Christian Gonzalez.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
We might even we might hear from Christian Gonzalez later
in the show. But so let's let's get right into it.
Patriots took Christian Gonzalez yesterday consensus. I haven't heard anyone.
I mean some have tried to you know, you know,
criticizable Patriots about moving down blah blah blah. They got

(02:36):
Christian Gonzales. Christian Gonzalez is one of the highest rated cornerbacks,
if not the first, the second rated cornerback you know,
in this draft. They got him. I don't care how
they got him. They got him, and I think we're
all happy about that.

Speaker 7 (02:50):
I'm happy, yeah, to be honest, I got home last
night a little late, and I just you know, I
wanted to put him nder the microscope a little bit,
and I think, look, there's plenty of love about him,
and I would just say, look, he's super athletic, he's
got ideal size, he runs like exactly like you want.
And he's twenty years old. It'll be twenty one in
a couple months, so all those.

Speaker 6 (03:07):
Things are going for him.

Speaker 7 (03:09):
You know, just kind of browsing the internet, you know,
trying to get other scouting reports and just you know,
try to get a full picture of him. And I
know Evan's been doing a bunch of research as well,
So I mean I think that he has a lot
of positives and certainly a position that they need.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
The kind of I mean.

Speaker 7 (03:23):
Talking to other guys out here, I mean, everybody knows it.
This is the kind of guy that they needed to
add to their secondary you know when I think he's
got a high floor too, just based on his speed.
He can run, he's got size, But I do think
that you know, look, he's he's he's going to need
some time to develop a little bit. He's not going
to walk out there in a couple of weeks and.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
Be the guy.

Speaker 7 (03:40):
So, you know, as excited as we are, I think
it's worth you know, hey, let's let's let's go about
this reasonably.

Speaker 8 (03:45):
I think you know, I said this to you before
we started recording, that we're hyping up this kid so
much that I hope we're not over hyping him. And
he and you mentioned his age, which is it's a
double edged sword because on the one hand, he's only
twenty years old, so he does have some physical development
to still go. But on the other side, he broke
out at a very young age, which suggests that his

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ceiling is sky high, and the athletic profile certainly suggests
that as well. But Patriots fans should be a little
bit patient, like he's not gonna get out there and
week one and cover Stefon Diggs by himself, Like it's
we're not throwing him right into the fire just yet,
so we'll see what happens. But I like the fact
that he's young, but it's also something that you have
to keep in mind and he's gonna need some develop Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I mean, it's like for all the rookies, it's like
drinking out of a fire hose. You know, there's just
so much information that they're gonna throw at him. So
but well, yeah, everything about him is you gotta love it.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Yeah, it was funny because we also heard from the
assistant coaches today surprise, But it was funny just listening
to Bill O'Brien. Clearly, I mean, Christian gets also on
the side of the ball, but everybody want to ask
about the rookies, and Bill's like, look, Bill O'Brien, I
know fans get really excited about the draft, but you know,
for us, we're here, we're kind of you know, working
with the veterans, were you know, in the train rolling.
So I think it's a little bit of perspective from

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the coaching staff that as much as you have high
expectations and high hopes, and that's great and they need it,
it's also right to temper it and understand that there's
gonna be some growing pains with these kids. And but
that said, I think we're all very excited to get
this quality of athlete in the building at this position.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
Yeah, And I would just say, just sort of wrapping
up last night. You know, as the round ended, there
were some tweets coming out about some teams that were
trying to be aggressive and get back up into the
bottom of the first round. Patriots are one of those teams.
I think Jeremy Fowler was one that tweeted out the
Patriots were one of a handful of teams looking to

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to possibly move back in, which is something that Evan
and I talked about a little bit with the receivers
before Evan correctly predicted the run on receivers with the
four in a row that went there in the twenties. Congratulations, congratulations.
I almost felt congratulated me. I almost felt as good
about that as I did about you getting Christian Gonzales
and the draft. But now you know, starting to look

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now Pro Football Talk, Titans, Falcons Raiders were desperately trying
to trade back into the bottom of the round one
last night back you know, from where they were at
toward the top of the draft. You know, those those
teams were seven eleven, and every.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
One of those you could make the case for Will Levis. Yeah,
even even you.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
Know, were Hendon Hooker. Yeah, I don't know who they
I think Hooker was a guy that really made sense
for the bottom of the first round because if you're
not going to be able to play him, you know
won you might want that fifty year option, yeah, you know,
just to have a little protection.

Speaker 8 (06:37):
But I was a little bit surprised that not a
no no team quarterback needy team took the thirty first
pick from Kansas City and tried to.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
Would make sense just you know, especially for him, you know,
like it's gonna be interesting to see, you know. You know,
Pittsburgh is on the club. Pittsburgh is the team right
right that starts. So you got Pittsburgh, Arizona, Detroit, Indie,
and then the Rams. So I mean Arizona I suppose
could in Detroit, I suppose could, Pittsburgh won't, and an

(07:10):
Indie won't. Ye, So you wonder if the Rams are
gonna sit there and say, well, there's you know, Will
Levis is our you know, replacement plan for Matthew Stafford. Right,
you know, you wonder if if it ends up falling
into place for them. I personally wouldn't like to see
that if I were the Rams, because I think they
need to, you know, after the FM picks, you know, Era,

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I think they probably could use a couple of picks
that's not going to help them much this year.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, all right, eight five five Pats five hundred is
the ace ticket Hutline web radio at Patriots dot com
as an email address. In terms of the Patriots, we
all think it would be nice if they moved up
in the second round, and we, like Paul said, they
were trying to get into the first. So that means
there are some players or a player that they would

(07:56):
like to get early in this round. Is there a chance,
I know we all say they need a wide receiver.
Is there a chance the Patriots disagree that wide receiver
isn't the need that we all think it is.

Speaker 7 (08:08):
Yeah, I mean I think at this point in the draft,
you know, I think we all like Josh Downs and
think you'd be a good fit. But you know, how
much better is he than you know, Tyler Scott's.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
You know, you get down.

Speaker 7 (08:17):
It's it's everybody's got some kind of issue right now,
which usually it's gonna be sized.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
But we we put we would say it it's pretty urgent.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Oh, I wouldn't. I think at number one, like target
is yeah, urgent, But but you're trying to jam it
into the into the you know, the the whatever it is,
the round pack in the square hole. It's tough. But
I mean i'd look at tight end.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
I mean, I'm fully expecting they're gonna they're gonna trade up,
like right now, Like it's I I just it seems
like that, but it seems like one.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Will want to too, So it's it's just because you
want to doesn't mean you can.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
Yeah, I would just I would just say tight end
the tight end position.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
I think that that's as much as I like Josh Downs,
I think right now you've got a chance to get
into this tight end, you know, get into one of
the best and go up and get.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
On agree more.

Speaker 8 (09:02):
I mean, the only tight end that went last night
was Dalton Kincaid. Now you can have the pick of
the litter if you can get up in the second round,
Darnell Washington, Michael Mayer, Sam Laporta, musk Grave like, whoever
is your guy, you can go and get them. And
I think at this point this tight end class was
already documented as one of the better tight end classes
in a long time. And I think those guys are

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better players than the receivers that are still on the board.
So I would definitely entertain that. I think an absolute
home run draft for the Patriots is coming out of
the first two days with Christian Gonzalez and Darnell Washington.
I mean, I think all of us would just be
over the moon if that was the first two picks
in the draft.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
So it was ten minutes between picks last night, I
think it's is it seven minutes?

Speaker 6 (09:45):
I think so seven in a second, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Seven minutes between picks this round. So right now the
Steelers are on the clock just over six minutes left
for their pick. Yeah. So they've got Kenny Pickett, right,
they like.

Speaker 7 (10:02):
Him, yeah, you know, and they grabbed Anton Harrison right no, sorry,
with the proderct Jones, Rodrick Jones, so they're you know,
building around him, as you know, I think teams we
know now from the Patriots perspective to you know, make
sure you protect these guys, make sure you get them
some weapons to move the ball to, and it seems
like that's what they're going about. I was just trying
to look real quick though, and I, oh, it is here,

(10:23):
it is. So I just thought this was interesting. Albert
Breer just saying that that George's Darnell Washington might have
some medical concerns with him. So, I don't know, I
just thought that was something interesting. You get these things
during the draft where all of a sudden, oh, by
the way, this guy that everybody's pumped up about in
the top of the second round has some medical issues
that really haven't come to light yet, and all the

(10:43):
league knows about it. Now all the media is going
to find out about it, and you know, maybe he's
a guy that that slides because of that.

Speaker 8 (10:48):
So that's just always so crazy to me when a
guy like that tests like that at the combine and
he's got a medical issue. He tested like a cyborg, Like,
where was the medical issue a couple of months ago?
I I just I wonder about those types of things.

Speaker 7 (11:03):
Maybe maybe somebody's getting out there because they want them
you know, they want a lot of it.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Sometimes isn't even like a physical thing. Well, a lot
of it is like, oh he's got diabetes type two,
it has to be managed, or you know something like that,
or you know, they detected a heart heart murmur. I
was just which isn't a big deal as long as
you keep an eye on it. You know, little things
like that.

Speaker 7 (11:24):
But do you think it's some of these guys, like
they really don't get poked and prodded truly until they
get to this process. And even their college teams maybe
they't quite go as deep into the medicals as some
of these NFL teams do as they're trying to figure
out their investment.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Absolutely. No, Yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
Something to think about.

Speaker 7 (11:39):
But I still think tackles on the board, I would
still consider that a position to need.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
But I think now, I wait a little bit. I
think tackles a little like whatever and talked about with
the receivers. Yeah, like I think that you might not
get the same value. Now, now there's the one other.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
Guy, Matthew Bergron nor Blake Freeland.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
What for a tackle.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
Guy that that's kind of inexperienced. Does he know have
another Hawan Jones yeah, yeah, And there's a lot of
different opinions, like really polarizing kind of yeah, like do
you want to roll the dice on a guy? Like
like like I'm not sure.

Speaker 8 (12:15):
A true right tackle, which I don't know, I'm not
sure about anymore, Yeah, because I mean, who knows what
they're planning on doing.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
I think I would rather go with a better player
rather than like the whatever, the six or seventh.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
I Lovedwan Jones. Every time I watched him, I was like,
where is the three hundred and eighty pounds going to
be a deterrent on his game? Because at some point
he's going to face one of these speed rushers in
the NFL and he's just not going to have the
foot speed to match it. But he uses his length
and his hand power so well that he just grabs

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guys before they even have the chance to really get
on the corner on him. So I loved watching him.
He's Trent Brown. That's that's the comp I mean, it's
as clear as day with him. So if they like
brown skill set still and that's something that they don't want.

Speaker 7 (13:03):
To maybe that's why I'm well, And that's and that's
what I think is the point that I'm wondering about.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's not his skill set, it's his attitude you're not
crazy about.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Yeah, I think that it's hard to have like a
great motor do you know what I mean? I think
they kind of go hand in hand. Yeah, I'm being
probably a little unfair, but I don't know something about.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
I would just say, what consistency due the injury to
the effort, Like it's just he didn't know what you
were getting last year. And I think he's had maybe
two or three games over the course of the last
few years that he's been here where you feel like, Wow,
this guy's is dominant, but there just hasn't been enough.
I just wonder what their what their philosophy is on
the tackles positions. And we've talked about it with the
whole you know, swapping Win and Brown last year. Do

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they you know, do they still want an athletic guy
on the left and a big guy on the right,
And you know, it's just I think that's what's hard
for me is to figure out what is Adrian Clem's
kind of philosophy of this situation, how is that going
to feed into it? And are they gonna put Trump
brown back on the right side. Are they, you know,
looking for a left tackle or.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
Do they think we're just gonna keep trying on the
left side.

Speaker 7 (13:59):
And you know, I traditionally, I think you think you'll
figure it out on the right side, like finding the
right tackle, the right guard. You know, if you're in
a pinch and you had to pick a couple of
positions to be in a pinch at those will be
the ones I pay.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
So the pick is in for Pittsburgh. Do we have
a tip anywhere?

Speaker 6 (14:15):
Joey Porter June they.

Speaker 8 (14:17):
Drafted drafted the Sun.

Speaker 6 (14:20):
I thought that, you know why not? Right?

Speaker 8 (14:22):
Yeah, drafted Sun. Yeah he should have gone in the
first round.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
That's that's very Pittsburgh.

Speaker 6 (14:28):
Yeah, yeah, family place.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah that they would do.

Speaker 6 (14:30):
I gotta talk to Tom about that.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
So Joey Porter Jr. Off the board a cornerback. Uh,
that's good for the Patriots. So maybe you know, whoever
they were looking at uh yesterday is still there and
maybe we might see some a move to try to
get there. Right now, the Cardinals are on the clock
with the second pick, thirty third overall, and well, yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (14:56):
Took a tackle in the first round, so I think.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
They try to get away.

Speaker 7 (14:59):
I mean they, I mean they should probably get the
tight end classes with the throw this out to use
two guys Mike and Evan.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
If the Patriots were to be trading up, you know,
packaging some of those picks, who is the guy that
you would target? I think one of those tight ends,
those top tight ends, like I mean the tight ends.

Speaker 7 (15:16):
I would say, yeah, Mayor Washington, I think those are
good picks. I mean I don't I'd probably be a
little bit more intrigued if they took Washington just because
he's a freak, and I think Mayor is we gotta
we got a solid player. We got a solid player.
He's gonna be a third tight end this year. He's
gonna chip in a little bit. Steelers shrunk who's smaller him?

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Or Joe Thomas? Now like those two hold offensive linemen.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
Now's like funny how those offensive linemen they either go
one of waves. They either get really thin or the
other way.

Speaker 7 (15:51):
Who were we just saying and Drewsy the other night,
he's still pretty big?

Speaker 6 (15:55):
Who's gonna be nice? He went the other way? I said,
he was still pretty big. Yeah, Copen, we saw Coping
Bohmer is just like he doesn't look anything like what
he was.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I would you know what, I think I'd like to
go front seven maybe.

Speaker 7 (16:12):
I And that was the next point I was going
to say, Fred was I don't think it could roll
out edge still, you know, I think there's definitely some
edge guys till here in the second round that you
know is in need. I just I'd love to hit offense.
I'd love to get some kind of exciting piece for
the offense today.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
But you're not going to get well unless you get
a tight end.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
Yeah, I think that. I mean, and there are some
receivers then.

Speaker 8 (16:30):
Yeah, I wouldn't sleep on Josh Downs. Yeah, Josh Downs
is a really productive player, really shifty player in the
middle of the field.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
I think he's.

Speaker 8 (16:39):
Ninety percent, maybe eighty five percent of what Jay Flowers
is as a receiver. Similar guide, not quite as explosive
and quick after the catch. He's not that dynamic with
the football like Jay Flowers is, but he gets open
in the middle of the field. He demands attention to
bracket coverages, safety staying on him. He's somebody that was
a really effective player for you, and see I do

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I think he's a true Number one guy. No, but
he's a number one slot, you know, and I think
that that's something that they've always done a good job with,
So I wouldn't be surprised if he's the pick. If
Darnel Washington has medical red flags and that's that report
is accurate, then these tight ends get a little bit wonky.

Speaker 6 (17:19):
You know.

Speaker 8 (17:19):
Mayor I think is basically Hunter Henry, but can block
a little bit better than Hunter Henry. Can you know,
do you really need that, you know, do you need
another redundant piece like that? I think Darnel Washington's really
the only tight end in this group that is something different,
completely different than what you currently have in the room.
So some of these other guys in the third and
fourth round, like a Tucker Craft or a Schoonmaker, like

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those are guys are the Hunter Henry's with blocking and
things like that.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
If you did get a Mayor and you brought in Kasiki,
is Hunter Henry tradable today?

Speaker 8 (17:52):
I just don't even know what you get for him?

Speaker 6 (17:54):
Yeah, I mean for a conditional sixth Yeah, I mean,
I'm not making fun of Hunter, but those that's what
these guys are getting, Like that's no disrespect to Hunter
Henry he's a veteran guy who's not a star. That
that's what these guys are getting.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I mean, yeah, I don't know, like you throw him
in a package and you try to go after Jerry Judy,
you know, you give.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
Him a like a second round pick in Hunter Henry. Yeah,
well yeah, so that so they're taking the second round
pick and they're taking Hunter Henry with them. But I
think that there is I think Mike Evan is right
about you know, this this replicated. We talked about Dalton
kin Kate. There was like kind of replication with Kasiki
for him, and you know, certainly Hunter Henry and Mayor.

(18:37):
I think both of those guys are right now one
year right, this is the last year for Henry's deal,
and Kasiki signed a one year deal. So I don't
have a problem with some replication. I do, like Washington,
I you know, talk to you guys about that podcast, right,
I think he could be could be something different than.

Speaker 8 (18:58):
I think a guy like Mayor is is probably the
most well rounded tight end in this class, but he's
not a really exceptional athlete. He's kind of an average
NFL athlete, and for that, there's not a ton of
upside I don't think with a player like that, whereas
like a player like Washington has obviously got tremendous upside,
But even guys a little bit later, like a zach

(19:19):
Kunz who just destroyed the combine a couple of months ago,
like that guy has some athletic untapped potential that he
could become something really special in the league. So I
just wonder if that's part of the equation. You know
that you kind of already have the steady guys, you
already have the reliable guys. You need somebody that's a
game changer.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
Is a trade, but it's not who we hoped for.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, it's a first trade. Today Titans are moving up
into the Cardinals second spot of the third round. So
is this Levis?

Speaker 8 (19:48):
This could be Les?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, oh boy, yeah, little boy.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
But you know, I find interesting I would say too, though.

Speaker 7 (19:54):
I mean, I think Evan had some good points about Mayor,
and part of me can't help, But wonder, like, do
you wait a little longer for laporta schoon maker?

Speaker 6 (20:02):
You know? I mean, I don't know exactly how to
flush all those out, but there.

Speaker 7 (20:05):
Is some intrigues still with those guys who are maybe
just a little bit.

Speaker 8 (20:08):
I just think if you're counting on Hunter, Henry and
Gasiki for this year, those are the guys that you're
rolling with for the twenty twenty three. Then get a
developmental guy with some upside and Mayor is a guy
that should play right away yea, but isn't really a
game changer.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
I don't think.

Speaker 8 (20:24):
I think he's a really well rounded, solid tight end.
I compared him to TJ. Hockinson, which like good player,
but is he really an elite? You know, we got
to worry about TJ. Hockinson when we come into the
game plan meetings and things like that. So I don't
think I would rather take a flyer on a more
athletic upside type of prospect that we know we're going

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to give him a year or two to develop behind
the veterans anyways, especially.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Where it's like you can just put him out there
in a package you don't really have to worry about, Hey,
you're gonna have to go, you know, help block on
the edge, Like just yeah, get him out there and
let him play, you know, move tight end. And there's
a lot of those guys that have some intrigue. I
think that that's a suitable kind of alternate to trying
to get that slot guy. You know, just somebody in
the middle of the field that can work for.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
It's another one of your things where it's just if
Tennessee's moving up and we got to assume it's Levis,
that's another pick that helps the papers. I mean, I know,
we're still another player that the Yeah we're still third interest. Yeah,
we're still thirteen picks away. Yeah, so they go.

Speaker 8 (21:22):
They traded seventy two and a twenty twenty fourth third,
which is basically the equivalent of a fourth this year.
So right now we're still in that territory where you
have to give up a third and the fourth to.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
But they also got a third back. They switched spots.

Speaker 8 (21:35):
Okay, I see, all right, so that's not that that
bad that now you could probably do it for those
two fourth round picks at this point.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
Yeah, they swapped. It looks like they switched spots in
the second and third rounds and picked up a twenty twenty.
Surely not much at all.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, and that is it Levis.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
I would assume I didn't. I haven't seen it. Yes
it is Levis, I just yeah.

Speaker 7 (21:56):
Yes, Chefter and rapaport, will Levis Levi's is.

Speaker 6 (22:01):
A tight ten. So some interesting things.

Speaker 7 (22:03):
Then going on the AFC South with some new some
new quarterbacks down there, it'll be interesting.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Okay. Well, like Paul said, this is another player the
Patriots wouldn't be interested in. So it pushes it pushes those.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
I don't think they would have drafted.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
It pushes those guys down that they would be interested
in closer to where they're picking. So that's good.

Speaker 7 (22:22):
I just think we're all waiting for the tight end
train to start, you know, like who's gonna take mayor
who's gonna you know, Brian Branch I just yeah, I mean,
I mean we're still a long way away from the Patriots.
It's like twelve to thirteen picks though, but like you
mean from a general point of view or a Patriots
point well, Patriots as a mccordy replacement.

Speaker 6 (22:38):
But just as a good football player.

Speaker 7 (22:40):
Yeah, there's no question he's a good football player. I
just I just think he's Dugger. I mean, I think
he's going to play that role, and you know, I
think he'd be great at it.

Speaker 6 (22:47):
He might be better than Dugger at it.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
Are you ready to make that that switch?

Speaker 6 (22:50):
I don't know that's I.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
Think he's got the instincts to play a little bit
more on the back end. I don't know if he's
a true center fielder. I don't know if he's got
the rain and the speed to do that. But he's
definitely got instincts to play a deep safety or free
safety a little bit. He's a really good player and
probably has some of the best film of any of
these prospects. And you know, saban Is, I'm sure raving

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about him to teams just because you can tell how
much he put on him mentally, right, you know, all
the roles, all the different assignments and things like.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Say, you know, he would be a mccordy replace.

Speaker 8 (23:23):
Yeah, I definitely think that he's one hundred and ten
percent of fit. And if you put him in that
secondary and you grew re sign Kyle Duggar and you
have Christian Gonzales there now and the two young Joneses,
I mean, that's a secondary and that's a group right there.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
If they do that, you know, defense in general, but
if they did it with Branch in particular, that's kind
of the answer to the question that Mike Evan and
I were batting around during our podcast with the Draft
podcast about you know, what do you do to try
to Oh, Will Levis at Patriots training camp?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, with a Brady jersey.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
That's that's a cute picture. The the the whole notion
of you know, how do you go about trying to
compete in the a f C and the new supercharged
AFC East, but the AFC in general. And everybody's like, well,
you got to have some firepower to keep up, and
Bill says, noope, you know, we need to try to
figure out a way to slow him down.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
Right, Yeah, I'm interested how they how this all AFC
is going to play out. Trevor Lawrence is, you know,
kind of established himself last year, but you have you know,
three three teams.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
I don't, I don't know you.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
I mean, do you think Levis is going to play
for Tennessee this year?

Speaker 10 (24:28):
Is this?

Speaker 6 (24:28):
I think he'll play this year? I don't think he'll probably,
I don't think he'll play out of the gate. Yeah
I think so, I mean it will be there something interesting.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
I just I wonder who how do you feel if
you're Houston, Indie?

Speaker 6 (24:38):
You know, and and uh Jacksonville. Sorry not Jacksonville the
other the other AFC South team. Sorry I'm getting a
little fright here. They don't say much of Milike Willis
by the way. Yeah, I mean he played last year
and to the point where they got like Josh Dobbs
off of someone's practice squad to play what in essence,
I'm outed to a playoff game there. He's more competitive

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than they were with Malki. And then the Detroit Lions
like Sam.

Speaker 8 (25:08):
That's my guy.

Speaker 6 (25:09):
Yeah, so maybe that starts your your tight interest to
start it.

Speaker 8 (25:13):
But Laporta over Mayor, so I was almost right. I
had Laporta as the second rated tight end the class.
I had Mayor is number one, in Kincaid is three.
So the league ended up seeing it as Kincaid one,
Laporta two. But at least these teams did based off this.
So it's interesting but interesting.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
Jeffords Detroit probably their best pick so far.

Speaker 7 (25:33):
Very weird draft, you know, yeah, But offense, I mean
they're trying to trying to put those pieces in place.
I mean, they definitely have some some weaponry that they're
that they're building there.

Speaker 8 (25:41):
It seems like the Troit gives two s is about
positional value in the draft. They draft a running back,
an inside linebacker, and a tight end with their first
three picks. The Nerds are going crazy somewhere.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
So now the Colts are on the board. What they say,
their first pick was Tony Richardson, So we'll see what.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
Tony the old Kansas City Chiefs full back Tony richards So.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
We'll see what they do with their second pick. Could
be a tight end, I mean makes it right?

Speaker 6 (26:11):
Yeah, I mean it And this this could start it now.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
I mean we've got the Colts on the clock here
after a Laporta went to the Lions.

Speaker 6 (26:17):
So they have Moelie Cox. Yeah, yeah, they could go
with one for sure.

Speaker 7 (26:23):
I mean another you talk about another, you know, team
with a rookie quarterback trying to put pieces around him,
trying to you know, be successful. I mean i'd consider
Down sir too, if I were them.

Speaker 6 (26:33):
We have a trade. Yeah, and it's the Raiders disappointment
in it.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
The Raiders have moved into the Colts spot.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
I don't hate them, so I don't want to like
It's not necessarily something I'm worthy of. But I don't
like Josh Downs as much as you guys do. That's okay,
He was kind of like there's a lot of production there,
but not a lot of There's a lot of catches there,
but not as much. I don't think.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
I think that's just about every receipt as much.

Speaker 6 (27:00):
Yeah, you're probably right. It's just I'm probably looking at
it like, you know, where's the like the dynamic element,
and I don't really see a lot of that. That's
probably true. It's probably like just looking at the class
in general, and I'm like, yeah, he's okay, he's okay,
Like that.

Speaker 8 (27:14):
Is much more crafty than he is explosive.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Yeah, and you know what I wrote for him was
that his floor is very high. Like I don't think
he'll be one of these guys you're like, oh my god,
Nikhil Harry, he can't play Like No, I think he's
just like kind of a quote unquote safe pick. I
kind of like the kid from Cincinnati, Tyler Scott. Yeah, yeah, fast,
like you know, kind of similar.

Speaker 7 (27:34):
I mean, I listen, I don't know, but I mean
I think I hate when I get into that because
I'm not I don't pretend to be a scout. I
don't know it, but I just think all that you
can have, you know.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
Like a Tyler Scott where he got a positive for
long speed and deep speed and maybe.

Speaker 7 (27:47):
The ability to stretch the field a little bit from
the slot. But you know, size, like I mean, this
is all these a lot of these guys. It's a
size issue where they're all I.

Speaker 8 (27:54):
Know, concerns about them developing a player like Tyler Scott,
because right now he is an athlete that just outruns
everybody on a football field. And once you get to
the pros, you're gonna have to learn how to set
guys up and how to get off press man and
how to you know, be a little bit more crafty
in your route running. And they just haven't really shown

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very many signs of being able to develop that type
of player.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
All right, the Raiders are on the clock. Good time
for us to take a break. We're going to do
that and we'll be right back after this.

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Speaker 2 (29:45):
All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered the Draft Extravaganza
here until ten o'clock. And the Raiders have just chosen
a tight end.

Speaker 6 (29:56):
Somewhere in England. Claire is having I really have a
heart palpitations every single time.

Speaker 8 (30:08):
Yeah, I gotta I gotta Sam Laporte, and I'll probably
get a Michael Mayer.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Michael Michael Mayer is the pick for the Raiders. A
good pick. I think they get themselves a good player.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
Solid.

Speaker 7 (30:20):
If it feels like a Josh move, you know, I
mean it's it's he's a good He's a good player.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
Mark Andrews, I don't like that. Com He's not that good.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah really.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
T J.

Speaker 8 (30:29):
Hockinson can block, can move around a little bit, good receiver,
I've also another comp I really liked for him was
Hunter Henry, but a better inline blocker. That that's a
I think from a receiving perspective, really similar movement. It's
not like a burner, not somebody that just pops off
like the film at you that is this dynamic athlete,

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but somebody that can get open, is crafty, good hands.

Speaker 7 (30:55):
Like they have to know that their tight ends couldn't
block last year, right Like It's just like it was
such a struggle even to me to watch them, you know,
try to try to do that. I thought they improved.
I mean, but even they talked about, you know, it
was just a challenge.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
And I hate saying, like.

Speaker 7 (31:10):
Man, I just wish they had that third blocking tight end,
like that would be the difference.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
But it's just such a glaring kind of.

Speaker 7 (31:15):
A you know what we need right here here, We
need a blocking tight end.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
We needlock the draft. But it's such like a role
that I would feel like that they as football guys,
would see as important and just you know, and not
having to use a third tackle somebody at least who
can have a little bit of a threat at least
to go out in pass.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
You know, our next make They didn't have a pick
in the first round, right, they did.

Speaker 6 (31:41):
Not, so they don't believe. Don't believe the ROMs.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
The Rams are up.

Speaker 8 (31:47):
The Rams have taken a kind of tippet.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
Steve Avila, the guard from TCU, good, good, solid player.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah. I like.

Speaker 6 (31:56):
I like how it's going for the Pats though.

Speaker 8 (31:57):
I love that the Rams have no picks and then
they're taking guards with their with their only pick.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Well, they wanted cold strange last year, Evan, and they
didn't get them. I finally got it because their guy.

Speaker 8 (32:07):
God, thank god, we are ever moved from that.

Speaker 6 (32:12):
Right right, I was just gonna say yeah with a
Super Bowl title and that was not strange. Now they
have Steve Wieler on their roster.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Good for them, I got all right, So that hasn't
been announced yet. But after that is the Seahawks, who
were very active in the first round.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
Fly Seahawks, I got. I gotta have to consult the
board here because I'm starting to run out of like,
off the top of my head, who's available. I need
to That's why I made to run down some of
the top the top hundred.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Brian Branch, we talked about them. You like Drew Sanders,
linebacker out of Arkansas.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
I do like him, but I wouldn't pick them.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
How about Luke Muskgrave.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
Evan doesn't like them. I kind of like yeah, Mike,
and I like him a little bit. Evan does not
want one trick pone.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
We talked about Darnell Washington. You guys like him. How
about Jaylen Hyatt, the wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (33:06):
Evan hates the big guy Evan. Evan hates Hi almost
as much as he.

Speaker 8 (33:10):
Hates wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poles.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
This next guy is the guy that I I might
be interested in taking bj edge guy out of l
s U.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
Talk about a guy with some hands man, That guy's
got them cornerback.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
They probably won't take Kali Ringo out of Georgia.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
Now corners are off.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Uh, there's a guard Osyrus Torrance.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
He's good. He's one of the higher guys I have.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
He's one of their guys to like, one of those
power right guard, gigantic human beings.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Another front seven guy, Trent and Simpson out of Clemson
Nope linebacker.

Speaker 8 (33:49):
Week side linebacker.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
In A four three, we talked about Josh Downs out
of North Carolina. People like him. Uh DJ Turner another
cornerback out of Michigan, Fast Joe Tipman Center out of Wisconsin.
I mean, just getting up.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
There, Timmans kind of their type. He's that, you know,
he's a Wisconsin tough type of guy.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
That's the guy I brought up and I couldn't remember.
I told you I couldn't remember his name. But the
Wisconsin guy that he don't trust the center, now that
would kill Everyone's.

Speaker 8 (34:18):
About Cody Mouk, guard out of so Cody Mock is
my favorite player in the draft.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
But why because he loves He's just a He's just
a road grader.

Speaker 8 (34:28):
That guy just eats nails, you know. Just his teeth
looks like he looks like he's missing some teeth. He
just you watch him on film and he's just putting
people in the ground constantly.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I love wrong with that.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Yeah, but he's a guard on.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
White Georgia Tech.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
That's That's something on the list.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
How about Tyler Scott wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
That's guy we just talked about a little bit. He
scares me. I like him a little bit.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
We're out of it. We're not going to be taking
Hendon Hooker.

Speaker 7 (34:55):
Why do you just dismiss these things. And I'm being
dead serious.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Because I just don't think that's my opinion. I don't
think they're not Yeah, they're not going to take it.
It's you know, we have opinions.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Stamp by it. Yeah, there's the receiver.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
This guy has to take one.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
Yeah, and that's really that's a good one. I mean,
those are the guys Bio and and the Beast over there,
because Dan Bruger actually broke a little bit of news
in the Beast and said that Bill O'Brien and Nick
Saban tried to recruit Tucker Craft to Alabama with a
lucrative nil deal.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Steve, Well, we knew that. How about I'm gonna skip
over the corner back matth. We talked about it tonight.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
I know, I'm sorry, Sport. I can't believe playing that's
the Syracuse.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yes about Gervon Dexter Senior tackles.

Speaker 8 (35:54):
Explosive interior defensive lineman. Yeah, he's he's got a really
good get off, a really good explosiveness into the gap.
Maybe would remind Patriots fans too much of Dominique Easley, though.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
So does he have a funny walking stride like Paulin.

Speaker 8 (36:09):
Now he doesn't have the injury concerned as easily does.
But it's Florida. It's an a tier lineman.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
There's another line defensive lineman, Keno Benton.

Speaker 8 (36:17):
Yeah, he's a fun player. It's a game wrecker on
the inside. But I think he's a little bit I
don't know, maybe maybe he's more like Christian Barmore insurance,
but they're kind of similar players a couple more.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
We don't want to bore people, but Cedric Tillman to
you like him.

Speaker 6 (36:32):
A little bit like him.

Speaker 7 (36:34):
He was fighting fighting injuries last year, I think in
an ankle injury, so I think that kind of limited
him as his earlier his first year whatever it was,
his junior year two years ago. I think he was better.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
I liked him better than Hyatt to be honest.

Speaker 8 (36:47):
Yeah, he whooped uh Killy Ringos, but that game last year, so.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
He is better than Hyatt, Like he was their guy
going there, and then he dealt with a bunch of
injuries during the course of the year, and then Hyatt
had all the touchdowns a good kind of blew up.
But but Tilden was the guy heading into the year
that was the premiere.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, I'm just gonna skip down here the.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
Trade, Falcons on the clock. Okay, well, Seahawks picked by
the way and edge guy Derek Okay, that's yeah. I
liked him too. I liked him. That would have that
would have been one that I would Patriots trade up.
I can see that kind.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Of I'll do one more. Marvin Mims.

Speaker 8 (37:29):
Yes, I love Marvin Mims. Marvin Mims should have won
the bulletant cough. But Jalen Hyatt did one chick pony?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Did you say that the Falcons had a trade?

Speaker 6 (37:44):
Falcons have traded up now and they're on the clock. Okay,
it sounds like they're coming faster, faster than I like it.
Minutes right, yeah, I like it.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
We're on the seventh pick of the second round already, correct,
So the Falcons around the cross.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
So the Patriots Brunes eight teams away now, right, If
the Falcons are on the clock at thirty eight, this
is about where if you package two fourth round picks
you would get up to this pick. So if they're
trying to trade up for anybody at this point, this
is the Christian Barmore trade. Right, here's the time forty
six to thirty eight for two fourth rounders.

Speaker 7 (38:17):
I gotta be honest, though, I'm having a real hard
time saying I think they should go up and get certain.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
That's why I actually got about a half hour ago.
Who you'd target? Yeah, And I'm not sure that to them.
I'm not sure I have a name of anybody who
I would target. And I don't want to just trade
for the sake of trading. Yeah, I mean, other than
from my convenience. It's that weird. It feels stupid to
me right now. I feel like, definitely, if we finish
this night with a second round pick and the third

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round pick and we have to come tomorrow, it's like
for nine picks nine times if they go chime tonight,
I don't know what that means knowing Yeah, he's just
leading you down the primros.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
So of all the plays that I just mentioned, is
there anyone that you'd move up for?

Speaker 6 (39:03):
I mean not really.

Speaker 8 (39:04):
The way then is shaking up if I just don't
even know if the positions of need that they need to,
you know, I mean, Derek Hall just went so I
guess maybe there could be a slight run of edge
rushers right now. I guess we can see what Atlanta does.
But I'm not the biggest Keyon White fan. But I
know that there was some first round buzz for ke
On White. Maybe he's a player that they that they
would like, kind of a tweeter inside, you know, a

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defensive and outside linebacker, play at his hand in the dirt,
can stand up, can do a little bit of everything.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
That's just hard.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
Is your kid worth moving up for? I mean they're
probably about where he's gonna go. Yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 7 (39:41):
I mean, like I said, I just I'm having trouble
really saying I wish they would trade up for this guy.
I feel like right now I would just kind of
wait and see because I'd probably be happy with a.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
Lot of those things the same they kind of are.
So the Pro Football Talk tweet that I mentioned before
the start of the second round, Titans, Falcons, and Raiders,
all that's really sure. They all made trades yea in
the second round. Yep, yep, they weren't lying.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
So the Falcons pick is in. While we're waiting for that,
why don't we go to the phones. We have some
listeners hanging on there. Let's go to We'll start with
Patty and Agawam.

Speaker 13 (40:17):
What's up Patty, Good evening, gentlemen, how are you all right?

Speaker 6 (40:21):
Evening?

Speaker 13 (40:23):
So the guy I want to trade up for, and
I'll tell you what, Carolina might be the perfect candidate
to trade up with, because they don't have that many picks,
Darnel Washington. I sent it on Catch twenty two today,
and I think I started a new draft tradition last night, guys,
which is stay sober. No, obviously you like the patriotsmer
that I passed out like between pikes, I think picks

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eight and nine.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
Third, third, different person that's informed me that they did
not make it to the Patriots pick sorry ten It
was like ten tennis, and.

Speaker 14 (40:56):
They did great.

Speaker 13 (40:56):
And I think I'm going to do that every year
now and hopefully they you know, from here on out,
they make.

Speaker 7 (41:04):
Thanks Pat, Yeah, Paul, I'm gonna give you credit, Paul
for highlighted there good.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
First of all, I wouldn't I wouldn't give I wouldn't
give me credit for it. I was asking if you
guys thought he was worth moving up for, like I
guess he. I guess he was because he would you
would have had to.

Speaker 8 (41:21):
An He measured in a lot bigger than I was expecting.
So I actually think he is somebody that can play tackle.
He's got almost thirty four inch arms. He's six foot five.
He looked like a guard to me watching him, but
I think his size actually suggested that he could maybe
stick a tackle. Really physical run blocker.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
Kind of new to the sport a little bit, is he?
I mean from Canada?

Speaker 8 (41:41):
I think, right, Yeah, maybe he's a He's a really
really physical, tough, dependable, smart like he checks so many
of the Patriots boxes. So maybe they're thinking tackle more
in those middle rounds. That third and fourth round might
be their their tackle.

Speaker 7 (41:58):
We got fisticuffs going on in the Carolina on the clock.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Let's go to Eldred in North Carolina. What's up Eldred?

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Hey, so let's tell y'all doing today.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Okay, good, pretty good?

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Shoot U scenario edge, even though I like receivers, I
don't see one in it. I would even down to
a Mingo or Kielman. What about another corner either cam
Smith or Ringo.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
I'm outside to double dip like that. It would people think,
why would they do that? I wouldn't rule it out.

Speaker 6 (42:30):
I would rather have Branch stay in the second day. Yeah,
he moved my needle a little more. At least it's
something different. You keep your needle, work your light.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
If your lighthouse get bigger.

Speaker 7 (42:43):
With this draft, my lighthouse just keeps getting bigger.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
I don't know. Yeah, Branch, at least he's not a
corner to me.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Go ahead Ald safety, Yeah he's safety.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
But Ringo or Camsmith because I'm thinking man corners on
the outside. Do you got Jonathan Jones and Marcus Jones,
Jack Jones and Bryant and uh bils just don't do it.
But I'm sorry, just you know, yeah, start with some
height feet you know you can need to be in
that defense.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
No, listen, Branch would make sense, you would make sense.

Speaker 8 (43:17):
Branch would make sense. Another outside corner. I I just
can't stomach that. I mean, if you want to do that,
if you want to do that in like the fourth
round and and maybe just double dipped ahead your bets
on on Christian Gonzales and fine, but this offense needs
some help, Like you gotta get some tackles. You got
to get a pass catcher.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
I think where's your boy mok scheduled together?

Speaker 8 (43:40):
I would say somewhere in the middle of today. Yeah,
I think this is a little early for him, but
I give it another.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
He's tight and if he's there, then you haven't.

Speaker 8 (43:49):
Yeah, he's a guard, though he's really a guard, like
he's built like a guard. He plays like a guard,
he's not. He's not like Burger On where you can
maybe play him at tackle.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Let's go to Carolina's Mario Mingo Mario.

Speaker 14 (44:02):
And what's going on?

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Guy?

Speaker 14 (44:05):
Hey, still pinching myself from Kristen Gonzales. Never thought it
was gonna happen in my wildest dream man way. What
do you guys think about Darnelle Washington and with their
pick coming up, than trading a couple of their fourth
round picks and a pick from next year to move
up for Josh Down.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
I mean, at this point, I don't know if you've
really got to move up.

Speaker 8 (44:27):
I mean it's yeah, well I think he's talking about
moving up from seventy six.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
Oh oh at him?

Speaker 8 (44:31):
Yeah you get both guys, sure, sure?

Speaker 7 (44:33):
I mean I also think there are you know, at
this point, there's guys that aren't too far below Downs,
but I just think where they are right now, it's
hard to get past Washington.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
I don't know if they would like Washington, but I
think that.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
He's a player that just is so unique and would
just instantly provide a buzz. I don't know if it's
a buzz of high level offensive performance. It might just
be kind of more of a third tight end role
player who can kind of chip in from time to
time with huge side on the inside.

Speaker 6 (44:59):
That you know that they could have sploit. But yep, yeah, it's.

Speaker 8 (45:01):
Uh he's I love Darnel Washington, the idea of Darnell Washington,
but I do think he gets misunderstood a little bit.
He's he's a project like that is not a ready
made tight and he had forty five career catches at Georgia.

Speaker 6 (45:14):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (45:14):
You know, He's not somebody that's going to come in
as a polished receiver. This is he's going to take
some time to develop.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
But you're banking on a projection as a receiver. I totally.

Speaker 8 (45:23):
But to your point, Mike, He's would be their best
inline blocker at the position day one. So if you
want to put him on the field on first down,
if you want to put him on the field in
short yardage and have him run block, he's going to
be better at that than the two guys they have
on the roster. So he can do that as rookie season.
But if you're expecting him to come in and add
fifty catches to this offense, that's not happening.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
I agree. But but here's the thing that is intriguing
about him to me is when you think of a
guy with that kind of skill set that Evan's talking about,
that extra tight end that you rarely throw the ball to,
and maybe when you do, it's like, you know, one
of those fourth in inches and you you leave him
out and he gets the first down. This is an
athletic beast in the open field. Yes, if so, maybe
he doesn't catch fifty ball, but maybe he catches twenty

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and averages like seventeen yards to catch on those on
those twenties. I mean, that's what he did at Georgia.
You know, he's average kind of athleticism I think he has,
and then maybe he grows into a bigger role as
a receiver.

Speaker 8 (46:16):
At Georgia, I think he was at eighteen yards per
catch because every time you catch.

Speaker 6 (46:20):
The ball, who's tackling? He tried tackles the guy who's
like six ' eight, right, yeahah, six seven?

Speaker 2 (46:25):
How was he in the red zone like in you know,
in the end zone.

Speaker 6 (46:28):
Well, I mean Evan said, how many passes did he catch?
I mean it's it's you know.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
How many of them were touchdowns? How many touchdowns?

Speaker 6 (46:34):
Not very many?

Speaker 8 (46:35):
Yeah, but he's somebody that has great body control and
great size, so he can can toward his body and
you know, catch back shoulders, catch passes that are outside
of his frame and and make those types of catches.
So I think he could definitely be a red zone player.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Thanks Mario, Panthers selecting wide receiver.

Speaker 8 (46:58):
Okay, I was a fan of Mingos. I thought that
he had probably the best upside out of any of
the receivers that were going to go on Day two.
Reminds me a lot from a just an athletic profile
standpoint of AJ Brown. You know, six foot two, two
hundred and twenty pounds, four four six in the forty
he can run. Yeah, he's explosive player. I would have

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liked to have seen him in New England, and they
got pretty close. I mean thirty nine and they're getting there.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
I liked him a little bit more than the guys
we were talking about earlier.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Let's go to Willem and philhim. What's up, William, what's
going on how are you doing good?

Speaker 9 (47:35):
I tried to call in yesterday.

Speaker 15 (47:37):
I had a hangout dose.

Speaker 9 (47:38):
That's my apology on that.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
No problem, just thank you.

Speaker 9 (47:43):
Just a two questions, but just one thing I wanted
to say about the pig yesterday. Thank you, Jill, you
family made take your things happy that I'm a fan
of Christian Gunzalas Morgan Beast. Yes, we needed someone tall,
someone blew it know, someone that can move and everything.

Speaker 15 (48:01):
And I love to pick. I have no problem with it,
love it. So my well, my favorite receiver just went
off the board, Jonathan Mingo, So that had it done.
So I don't want Marvin Mills.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I don't want him, Okay, why yeah, why not? Why not?

Speaker 6 (48:20):
Opinion?

Speaker 14 (48:20):
Sure you got you got nothing.

Speaker 8 (48:23):
He's five eleven, he's not short.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, five eleven is fine.

Speaker 8 (48:27):
Josh Downs is short. He's five five seven, five foot eight.
Marvin Mims, I think it's like five ten, five eleven.

Speaker 6 (48:33):
It's not.

Speaker 8 (48:34):
He's not a tall guy. Like I'm not going to
say he's he's not six or four. But I wouldn't
call him short.

Speaker 16 (48:39):
So you win trade so you still won't want You
wouldn't want Jerry Judy over Marvion Mills.

Speaker 8 (48:44):
Well, I mean, I don't think that that's the question.
I don't think that that's the my options.

Speaker 9 (48:52):
Okay, okay, all.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Right, thanks William, Thanks thanks for listening. Melvin and tennessee
what's up?

Speaker 17 (49:00):
We could cut what's going on? Hey, Hey, I just
wanted to get in real quick and say that, like
I guess this makes obviously obviously just makes sense. But
it's just what's what's going on in the division and
the struggles we've had being able to, you know, stop
people throwing the ball. I love the fact that we

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got a corner somebody that can help stop that, and
you know, just it's still just gonna be such a
struggle in the division because like you all kind of
talked about that, you should probably have probably the fourth
best quarterback probably in his division now. And I've been
trying to look to get you know, two games truly
better not worse. So havn't you know, havn't the kind

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of counter stopping people like Aaron Rodgers and to who
used to have and beat really so just all those
little things factors going into it. It's gonna be It's
good to get that pick. I would love to match
that up with probably like a young guy off the
edge that we can depend down just to slow things
downs where that would be a great pair to get

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a young corner that can play and somebody out the ash.
That's kind of helped to break up some passes too.
And I think it's good. You're just moving in the
right direction.

Speaker 14 (50:13):
Yeah, we can pair that up.

Speaker 17 (50:14):
What's going to point then we'll actually.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Be actually make a run up, all right, thanks Melvin.

Speaker 6 (50:21):
Yeah, so Isaiah Fosky went to the Saints. I liked
him too, good player.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
I wonder if Keon White's their guy. Of course I
didn't have him on the big board.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Because I had it.

Speaker 8 (50:31):
I just liked other guys a little bit better. I
don't know, I just he's a strong guy.

Speaker 14 (50:35):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (50:36):
He's kind of like a round two Lucas van Ness,
you know type of player. Can play inside, can play outside.
But he just every time I watched him, it just
wasn't I was just missing something Like it just wasn't
that it was not impressive. You know, It's like, okay, fine,
he can play the spot. He's going to hold his
ground and he's not going to be a liability. But
it's not a difference maker.

Speaker 7 (50:56):
He was one that I think I initially kind of
passed over, and then somebody who I respect, I forget
who said oh, he's a great Patriots fit, and then
I was like, and I went back and I still
kind of like I guess, but I kind of felt
similar to you, Like I could see why they might
like him and how he might fit. But again, I
think that fits more to like just the liquid nature

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of their edge play and whether it's hand down, stand
up guys, you know, six foot four, two fifty. Like,
I'm just I don't know exactly what they want anymore schematically,
and they kind of hide behind that we're a game
plan defense, so we can kind of plug whoever we want,
and we can take a Joshu Jay and you know,
make him, you know whatever, It is a forty percent player,
and you know, we still has a significant role.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
So it's u I'm not sure if they were gonna
go edge early.

Speaker 8 (51:40):
I just wanted someone that's just a little bit more flashy,
just someone that makes a little bit more splash, like
a three down guy.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
Yeah, and like you, I'll give you a little of
everything and has some strength.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
And I'm already mad about something they haven't done yet.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
So let's go to Daryl in Virginia. What's up Daryl?

Speaker 6 (52:00):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
All right?

Speaker 18 (52:04):
Pretty good.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
So I'm really excited to love the Chrystal Gonzalez pet.

Speaker 17 (52:08):
I wanted to kind of get I've.

Speaker 19 (52:10):
Been stompeds on Garrett Williams later.

Speaker 9 (52:13):
On in the draft and possibly some other options that
I want to receive.

Speaker 14 (52:17):
We're not a mingos off.

Speaker 8 (52:18):
The board, Yeah, Gary, Garret Williams is another one of
those guys that's just he's fine, Like he's not He's
not gonna get totally torch. He's not gonna be a liability,
but he's not a difference maker. I just I don't know,
I thought in this cornerback class, I just feel like
there's quite a few more guys than him that have

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a little bit more upside. Now he had the injury,
so maybe it's somebody that you stash more more than anything.

Speaker 6 (52:48):
But I don't know. I didn't love him.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
All right. Let's go to Brendan and Pennsylvania. Brendan, Hey,
how's it going.

Speaker 20 (52:58):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (52:58):
Long time list there for time caller.

Speaker 21 (53:00):
So I just want to say hello, everybody watching Tom
Brady for twenty years. We always said interior pressure. Is
we to get to him. Who's left in the draft
tonight that you guys can see interior defensive linemen that
can help get after the quarterback.

Speaker 8 (53:18):
Well, there's a couple of guys that are really intriguing.
I mean, the one name that I think is the
best out of the bunch is Keanu Benton from Wisconsin,
who just is an absolute game wrecker. Not necessarily someone
that's gonna have ten sacks in the season, but you're
gonna just see play to play that he's going to
be in the backfield, he's going to be pushing people,
he's going to be causing problems up front. I really

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enjoyed watching him play.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Would he compliment bar More?

Speaker 8 (53:45):
I think you could. But they're they're basically the same guy.
They're an explosive, long, big interior guys that can get
off the ball and shoot gaps and make plays behind
the line of scrimmage. I don't think that either one
of them is a guy that you are going to
have hold the fort in the middle of the line.
They're both guys that want to get up the field.

Speaker 7 (54:03):
And that's another great question because I think that there's
a lot of the big hold the fort kind of
guys later in the draft too.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (54:09):
I mean, look, I'm not going to try to pump
up and tell you that daniel Aqualay is anything special,
but I mean these are kind of bit roles, and
I mean I think we're all hoping that Barmore gets
back into what you know he did as a rookie
and get back into that kind of production. Sorry on
the power play, but I think that's bert. It's just

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all part of how fluid the Patriots lineup is and
you just never know quite what they're looking for. I
just I think for me, a slam dunk is to
get one of these big fatties tomorrow, probably to you know,
to groom behind Lawrence, Guy Devon Gotschaw, these older guys,
Carl Davis. I mean, you could draft one of these
guys tomorrow. I think they could come in and compete
with Carl Davis tomorrow. I don't know if they're gonna
beat him out, but you know, I think you need

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to be a little bit proactive on the defensive line
because that group is getting old. We've seen them in
some big games that they haven't quite been able to
deliver like they have against you know, some of the
lesser teams, So that that's another spot I think they
need to continue to build.

Speaker 8 (55:02):
Yeah, there's one guy that is in that vein that's
gonna probably go tonight, and that's Sakka from Baylor, who
is I think he reminds me mostly of Danny Shelton,
like he's that kind of player.

Speaker 6 (55:14):
But I don't know Ben.

Speaker 8 (55:15):
I really like Ben Dexter. I think is a good
player too. When he's on his motor is a little inconsistent,
but when he's plugged in, he's a really disruptive guy.
But I'm with Mike. I think that most of those
guys you wait for it tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
Your boy just went Cardinals.

Speaker 8 (55:31):
Bjali's got like seventeen different pass rush moves. That guy
was really fun to win.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
It looks like Luke Musgrave to the Packers. That makes sense.
They they were poking around tight ends. Yeah, interesting, interesting,
Well I think that might you know, we might work.

Speaker 10 (55:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (55:49):
I think they'll continue to get some of these tight
ends off the board. But you know, I think you're
getting into that lower level now. Guys like Craft, who
you know, was an FCS guy, and you know, maybe
gonna need a little bit more time Musgrave had injur reissues.
But I mean, what what, I got enamored with him
just watching him at Senior Bowl practices. I just thought
he is an an elite athlete. I don't know if
he's going to ever be a blocker, but in today's NFL,

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who cares if he can be, you know, a matchup
weapon piece, and hey, we're not going to ask you
to block, but he could be.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
He could be a real good target for Jordan Love
up there.

Speaker 8 (56:19):
He's a one trick pony. He can run the seam
and run and that's all he can do. He doesn't
break rouds, he doesn't block. He's Mike a sickie, which
is fine, I guess at this point of the draft.

Speaker 6 (56:31):
Drafted right, Yeah, what's up, Ben?

Speaker 14 (56:34):
Hey, how's it going? Uh?

Speaker 19 (56:36):
You know, I love to pick of Christian for Gonzalez
because the value was just incredible. But don't the Patriots
need to invest in some offensive help for Max because
I feel like there's so much doubt well macare after
last year, and there's certainly excuses for why things didn't
go well, but something has to invest in offense so
that you know, we can see whether or not. You know,
Mac is the guy moving forward.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I mean specifically you're you're talking about wide receiver, right, because.

Speaker 7 (57:01):
You know, I think anything really I mean, yeah, and
I mean I even say, I know it's not a weapon,
but tackle, I mean, I agree, I agree. I just
think that the way things went in the middle of
the first round last night, there just wasn't that player there. Now,
if this was a class in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty,
those like loaded receiver classes where there were five guys
or whatever going in the first round, then I think
they absolutely would have been all over that. But given

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how the board played out, I think cornerback, as much
as you know, we all know the offense was bad
last year, I think we can't discount Bill O'Brien and
you can't discount.

Speaker 6 (57:31):
The need for that top cornerback.

Speaker 7 (57:33):
And I think that's you know why everybody is high
on Gonzalez, even though it came at the expense.

Speaker 6 (57:36):
Of Yeah, and the other thing is you can't expend,
you can't force it. And I agree, I think that
they need to get probably a higher level of talent
around the quarterback. But that doesn't mean I just think
for this you got to take a wide receiver. I
think if if you have guys that you think makes sense.
And that's why I think what you guys were talking about,
Evan and Mike early when we came on tonight about

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tight end, I think makes more sense. Now some tight
ends have gotten taken. So maybe you don't have the
same kind of value there, and maybe you do. Pick
you're a boy from North Carolina, yep. I understand that
the mindset of someone who says, you know, we need
to help Mac a little bit, we need to get
something more around him. I understand that completely. I just

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don't think that you do it just for the sake.
You're doing it well right.

Speaker 8 (58:24):
That's why I said the other day, you got to
put a name to the claim, because at this point
the receivers are really starting to be stretched pretty thin.
I mean, I like Marvin Mims, maybe more than other people.
Josh Downs, I like him too, But it seems to
me like a guy like Downs is falling because of
his size, and he might be teams might have him
way different than what the media has. And that's sort

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of the sense I'm starting to get, is that the
media thought this guy's a top fifty player but because
he's only five foot seven, one hundred and seventy pounds,
the league is very really viewing him as a more
mid round guy, So he might be around for a
little bit if he does and go here soon.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
So green Bay takes Musgrave, the Jets are on the
clock following green Bay. Then it's green Bay again. No,
then it's the Colts, green Bay and the Patriots. So
we're getting up there.

Speaker 8 (59:14):
If the Patriots really want one of these tight ends,
they they really need to start thinking about just taking
the guy here at forty six, because you got Darnel Washington,
you got Tucker Craft, and then you have Coons and
schoon Maker left and those guys I think are going
to be more like third or fourth round players. Once
you get rid of those four guys, you are jumping.

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You're falling off a cliff here. So if you want
one of these tight ends, you better take one.

Speaker 6 (59:39):
What's up with Brian Branch anybody? We have his combine?

Speaker 8 (59:43):
His combine was pretty pedestrian, and you know he's got
a great film. But what you like a four to
six or mid four fives, high four to five something
like that.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah, all right, just a little programming note. In a
few seconds, we're gonna have to switch to audio, and
when we we'll catch up with Christian Gonzales, who stopped
into the studio. So let's do that. I think we're
going to audio now. So while we wait for the
Patriots pick, why don't we listen to what Christian Gonzales

(01:00:13):
had to say earlier today in the studio. All right,
we're joined now on Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show by Christian Gonzales,
the Patriots' first round pick. And I got to tell you,
we put in a lot of work to the draft.
When we heard your name, we were all like hallelujah,
because usually the guys that we want don't get picked,

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but you were the consensus guy that everybody wanted. So
congratulations from being a Patriot.

Speaker 10 (01:00:38):
Yeah, I appreciate it. It means a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yeah. So, have you had a chance to breathe yet?
I mean, I know you got on a plane first
thing this morning, went out here. What do you think
so far?

Speaker 22 (01:00:51):
It's amazing. I can already just feel the atmosphere just
being around. The coach is super excited to learn and
just come in and work.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean that's what we hear about you.
You're a head down, just work coach pleaser. Where do
you get that from?

Speaker 22 (01:01:07):
Just kind of just raised that way with my sisters.
You know, I took the way of being I was
the baby for ten years until my younger sister was born,
and just always watching my two older sisters. Kind of
just had to keep my head down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
That's a lot of pressure when you're the boy two
older sisters who are good athletes.

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
You got to keep up, right, for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:01:29):
Yeah, when did you finally turn the tide with your
older sisters, like playing sports, the backyard, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 22 (01:01:34):
I mean, it was a competitive with them, growing very
competitive to the smallest things of playing cards. We competed
everything we did. But really I probably started beating them
in races and stuff when I was ninth tenth grade.
So so yeah, okay, I.

Speaker 6 (01:01:54):
Wanted to ask you a little bit. I know, Evan's
probably going to have some real film breakdown. Evan's our
resident football jumping, So we'll leave the football stuff to Evan.
But I wanted to ask you about I'm just watching
some of the highlights as the draft just getting ready
to get under way tonight. Just what the atmosphere was
like in Kansas City for you. You know, we got
to see you get out there and you had your
custom suit and you know seeing you know, Commissioner A. Goodell.

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Just what was the atmosphere overall like last night?

Speaker 22 (01:02:19):
Oh, it was amazing. It was a dream come true
kind of flew by, you know, just sitting in the
green room with a lot of people I know too,
my family and then all the other prospects. Being able
to just you know, we worked so hard for that
moment and being able to go in there and just
enjoy it with our families meant everything to me.

Speaker 8 (01:02:41):
And we were just talking to the assistant coaches and
Coach Mayo told us that he came out to Oregon
to talk to you and meet with you before the draft.
What was that meeting like And did you have an
inkling at all after that meeting that the Patriots might
be called.

Speaker 22 (01:02:55):
Oh, it was a great meeting. You know, we sat
down talkball, Jimmy's stuff. But you know, I didn't really
think anything of it, of oh I was gonna end
up here. Kind of just went along with the process.

Speaker 8 (01:03:08):
And at Oregon you played in the coverage system that's
pretty complex, you know, in college sometimes teams just sit
in one type of coverage, but you guys really spun
the dial on quarterbacks. I know coach Loupoid was at
Alabama and you know Patriots connection to Alabama. What was
that system like and how multiple was it? You know,
in terms of your mental side of.

Speaker 10 (01:03:29):
Things, Yeah, it was a lot.

Speaker 22 (01:03:31):
But I think that was great to be able to
play in that and just learn it was. It's gonna
give me a good transition to the league. You know,
There's still so much more to learn that I'm super
excited to learn. But I'm glad I played in that system.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
But yeah, you played a lot of positions growing up
in football, and then you know you've settled on cornerback
once you did that, once you said okay, I'm a cornerback.
Was there a guy you know in the NFL that
you kind of fashioned yourself after, you know, former player,
a current player that you said, yeah, I want to

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be like that.

Speaker 10 (01:04:09):
Guy when I started playing really for real.

Speaker 22 (01:04:13):
It was Pastor Tan, big, tall, kind of corner you know,
I'm kind of around the same size. He's a big technician,
elite technician. So someone I could try to play like
seeing someone move at this size, being fluid, kind.

Speaker 10 (01:04:32):
Of just what I try to model my game after.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Absolutely.

Speaker 6 (01:04:35):
I wanted to ask you a little bit about that
speed that you have, and obviously you've been pretty versatile
in that secondary or for Oregon, but if you have
any return experience, I figured with that kind of speed
and athleticism that you'd be a natural with the ball
in your hands if you had any opportunities to do that,
something the coaches keep you away from because they're trying
to make.

Speaker 22 (01:04:53):
Sure they protect you. I mean I did in high
school and kind of wanted to in college. Never really did.

Speaker 10 (01:05:02):
I would in practice, but never really never did in
the game, but I definitely.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
Got I'll let you in on something. I heard your
position coach talking about it on the radio today and
he said it was intentional. He wanted to make sure
he was a little selfish and made sure it kept
you away from that. He knew you had that ability.
He did that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
It's a little old school, but look up on YouTube
Mike Haynes highlights from back in the day Hall of
Famer going to do my homework, Okay, pe trade.

Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
Hall of Famer return skills though one play. I wanted
to ask you about it is again call Colorado last
year and you're playing zone. I think I think it
was cover six, I'm not sure if it was Cover six,
and it's a post wheel and you kind of carried
the post and then came off the post and jumped
the wheel route. And when I saw that play, I
was like, this guy's pretty good, right, you can do that?

(01:05:50):
And then yeah, that return ability down the sideline. Just
walk me through that play. What was that play alive
from your perspective.

Speaker 22 (01:05:55):
Yeah, they actually hit us earlier on the same exact
play early in the game, and I knew the play
was coming again. That was their go to when they
got in a little nasty bunch. So I told my
we were actually in the cover three. I told my
nickel and my safety. I told my safety hold the
post because I'm a jump the corner, knews coming, and

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I just trusted my instincts.

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
So yeah, yeah, a little extra sweet that it was
against Colorado.

Speaker 14 (01:06:23):
It was.

Speaker 10 (01:06:24):
It was a little it was cool to have two
picks that game.

Speaker 6 (01:06:27):
Speaking of that, you know you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Took advantage of the portal. How grateful are you to
have that ability to have made that move.

Speaker 22 (01:06:35):
I'm very grateful because that was My whole thing is
I wanted to play with Demetris Martin. Yeah, committed to him.
He told me he was gonna get me in and
out in three years. So that's what I You know,
I'm loyal to my coach, and that's that's what's super
intriguing about being here, is is Hall of Fame coaches.
So I'm just excited to be in that, in this

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opportunity to work with them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
I can tell you, if you love football, this is
the place for this is the place. Well, any any
other questions, I know you've got a lot of other
things to do.

Speaker 6 (01:07:09):
You're now the best athlete in the family. I know
that they talk to you a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:07:14):
My little sister said she.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
But I just picture though, like we all like played,
you know, one on one basketball with our dads in
the driveway. I could just picture your dad just swamming
away balls. Did you ever do that with it?

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Yeah, we got and he didn't take it easy, just
like bang try again, kid, All right, Well, congratulations again
and welcome. You know, I know there's a lot to learn.
Uh So you've got a lot ahead of you, but
it's really exciting and you know you should be proud
of yourself that you kept this far. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
All right back here and Patriot's Unfiltered. The pick is
in for Detroit. Who is who made a trade to
get to the fourteenth spot? And the Patriots will be
on the clock as soon as this pick is announced.
They're actually probably on the clock right now. Do we
know who Detroit took? Check?

Speaker 6 (01:09:36):
Think Brian Branch? Yes, bro, really Brian Branch?

Speaker 5 (01:09:39):
Wow?

Speaker 7 (01:09:40):
Yeah, that's uh, you gotta one. He gotta wonder if
they thought, I mean, he's definitely a.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Patriots kind of guy, so they jumped over. The Patriots
thought to get this guy. Probably, I mean, maybe we
were interested in Brian Branch.

Speaker 7 (01:09:52):
I mean, I like Brian Branch, but I just I
thought he was redundant. But I couldn't ignore him. I
kept him on the board just because I thought he's
just one of their guys. He plays there way, he
went to Alabama. There's too many boxes being checked. So
I think I understand, uh, what they're what they were thinking. Uh,
And it looks like and it looks like it's out
there right now what the Patriots have done.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
But don't you think that they jumped over the Patriots
to get the guy that they think the Patriots might
have been interested in?

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
Yeah, I think definitely.

Speaker 8 (01:10:22):
And I don't think thet no the Patriots turned in
the car that they of the guy that they picked
awfully fast.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Okay, So I think the Patriots maybe that's so. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
Connor Hughes, who's a reporter, he's saying, the Patriots have
selected key On White, who.

Speaker 6 (01:10:38):
Was we just talked about a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:10:40):
He's a defensive end edge front seven, big guy, not
a lot of I mean, he's kind of a little
bit of a project. I think we just say, I mean,
he's a kind of a developmental guy, a little bit rough,
but has all the all the kind of size and
all that for for.

Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
An edge player in this in this system.

Speaker 8 (01:10:58):
I don't know if he's a raw he just he
doesn't have a lot of juice to me as in
terms of first step explosiveness. He's not somebody that's gonna
get off the ball before everybody else and and be
that type of guy that's gonna get into the backfield immediately.
But he's got great versatility. He can play inside outside
hand in the dirt, stand up a two hundred and
eighty five pounds, so he's gonna have that power to

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set the edge that they like. He's a he's a
bowling ball. He's somebody that's got good length, good power,
a good hand placement, and can really push the pocket
and move blockers in the run game. So he's just
their type of guy. I think the one thing that
I questioned about it just to Tad is he's somebody
that I think is a little bit of a tweeter,
and I think he's a little bit too big and

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too you know, heavy footed to truly play with his feet,
you know, in a two point stance on his feet,
but he doesn't really have that first step explosiveness to
really get into the teeth of the offense.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
He's play can play against the run.

Speaker 8 (01:11:54):
Yes, that that's I would say probably his best trait
is his versatility and his ability to play the because that's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Something they kind of need, right because buche doesn't really
do that.

Speaker 8 (01:12:03):
Yeah, I just don't know. I don't know if he's
going to be in a two point stance.

Speaker 6 (01:12:07):
I think that we might be.

Speaker 8 (01:12:08):
The further he gets, yeah, the further he gets out,
the more problems that he seems to have because he's
not athletic enough to play in space. So if you
put him in like a read option like forget, like
the guys are going to run right around him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
So I'm going back to the three to four.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
He's kind of a three four end. Yeah, yeah, No,
your mic is not on Paul Matt Can you now
is that better?

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
I've seen some things that he can move inside, maybe
in collapse the pocket from the inside on on third downs.
I mean it's funny, like you look at the profile.
He started his career as a tight end. Yeah, to
the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 25 (01:12:55):
NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions Select.

Speaker 8 (01:13:03):
I know there's some people with Keon White that feel
like he's gonna be a better three technique. So somebody
that's gonna line up in the B gap and shoot
the B gap and and play in that vein, then
he's gonna be an outside guy. So I'm interested to
see how they're gonna use him. Honestly, I think that
they they grabbed him here because he was the most
most talented guy on the board. I hate to use
that cliche, but I think that, yeah, I think that

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he you know, he was in the green room like
they thought he was gonna he might go to last night.
So I think they they looked at him as the
guy that was one of the more talented guys on
the board. I just preferred some of the edge guys
that were a little bit more in that mold, that
that could get after the passer and it could bend
the corner and things like that. But I think a
lot of those guys went in the last ten picks

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or so.

Speaker 7 (01:13:45):
I mean, I I see him as Deetrich Wise's role,
which is, you know, he played right defensive ends, he
stands up occasionally, he can reduce inside on passing downs.
I mean this is of course, if if it works out,
you know, just to reiterate the point you know I've
made recently, just they don't have a lot of edge
player right now.

Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
I mean after judea On.

Speaker 7 (01:14:01):
It's a pretty quick drop off you know of guys
who aren't pass rushers and unless you you know, are
ready to invest in infony, Jennings being you know, one
of your top guys, I think they needed to add
to the depth.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
I had a feel and they were gonna go front seven.

Speaker 6 (01:14:13):
I mean it's I think edge was a and I
know a lot of people didn't agree with it, but
I think we all felt that was a need. Yeah,
you know, it wasn't like banging the door we have
to have we can't get out of this truck. But
I think it was as at least as big a
need as wide receiver. Yeah. I just say, I think
that's again, Judon goes down. What do you got.

Speaker 7 (01:14:33):
I mean, it's just this just a quick drop off,
and you're asking who Jay to play outside of what
he's good at. I don't know if Jennings has any
pass rush juice at all. I mean, I think he
can stop the run a little bit as a stand
up outside linebacker, So we'll see. I mean, I think
trick wise had a good season last year, but you know,
I think they need to continue to get those guys.
Those are bills kind of guys that I'm sure you
know there are probably a handful of people that are,

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you know, upset that the offense is kind of getting
ignored to this point, but it is easy.

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
To see what the need is and what they could
potentially see him doing here. I got a bit.

Speaker 8 (01:15:03):
I don't love the pick. I don't love the pick.
I I'm not crazy about the player. I just don't
necessarily see the flash or the playmaking ability. If you
were going to take an edge, I was fine with that,
but it had to be a guy that was going
to impact the game. I think Kean White is going
to come in and just be a solid in whatever
role did they use him in. But I'm not sure
he's going to be a game changer for them upfront.

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And if you're going to take an edge with one
of these picks over offense, like he kind of needed
it to be somebody that was going to make a
difference eventually.

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
Maybe he does.

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
I could be wrong on it, but he was pretty
he was where they picked him in terms of the
run of edge defenders that went here. You know, I
think I had him right in this range, like.

Speaker 6 (01:15:45):
The player, you know, I think that's the question, and
you feel that. I don't hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
I just don't know exactly where some people thought he
would go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, So that as of
this moment, is the only picked that the Patriots have
in the second round? Correct, They've got a third rounder
coming up, so I guess there's still hope that they
could package that third rounder where the fourth may and

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move into the second. Uh, you know, back into the second.
But right now a little bit of a wait. Yeah,
it could be a little bit of a wait for us.
We'll be here until ten o'clock taking your calls and emails.
And I know I haven't gotten to any emails yet,
so why don't we do that? Have plenty to choose from,
that's for sure. Let's see where would we go? Joe says,

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Evan is doing a great job. He seems to be
on another level of expertise. One tiny critique. His nonsense
could use a little work. This is too little, too professional.
Can we fight about tides or something? Come on, Paul.
Wasn't it great how Bill just knew we could trade
down and still get his guy.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
I'm not interested in fighting because I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Like that, but but you know, I kind of I
kind of smirked though. And you know the trade was
made and they took Branch, and you said, well, they
they knew who they wanted because the Patriots got their
pick in right away. Sometimes teams do that just to
have people think that, oh, that wasn't the guy we want.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
Especially might carry themselves as being maybe a little bit
more cerebrals.

Speaker 8 (01:17:19):
Well, I'll say this, I that emailer is one hundred
and ten percent right that I need to lighten up
a little bit sometimes. All right, I'm not one for jokes.

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
I'm not a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Well listen, if you want to see the lighter side
of Evans, go to Patriots TikTok Kevin talk. Oh Sebastian
Volmer on stage, Well, wow, why.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
Will play a game in Germany this year? So I
wanted to give a.

Speaker 25 (01:17:53):
Spot US in Germany and everywhere else in the world,
but without but the select.

Speaker 8 (01:18:09):
Des I'm glad he said defensive end because I think
he's truly a defensive end.

Speaker 6 (01:18:15):
She's he looks.

Speaker 8 (01:18:16):
I really don't think he's an edge guy. I think
he's that it's hard to eighty five poss.

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
I'm happy he didn't look fair he was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
He wasn't too happy.

Speaker 7 (01:18:26):
I think he was shaking his head like I gotta
go play for him.

Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
See that was a weird reaction. Does that do it
for what was the emailer? Does that work?

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
What was that?

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
Did you see his reaccurity? I didn't. That was watching
over face and he was shaking his head like no,
I don't. I mean if they were patting him on
the back like they were consoling him. Oh no, I
got I gotta go look at that replay, like I mean,
just reading his profile, you think you would be a
little bit more dynamic, you know, a tight end. Who actually,
I mean, I know it was that old dominion, but

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he played and caught passes as a freshman in back
in like twenty eighteen, and you know he's he's got
the size of the profile, but then you know he
doesn't twive pounds. I mean, I think that your description,
Mike of Dietrich Wise makes sense to me in my mind.
I'm like two hundred and eighty five pounds. That's a
big that's a big guy. To call an edge. I

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agree with you guys saying it's more of a like
a pure defensive end than like a dynamic edge. But
it doesn't.

Speaker 7 (01:19:23):
I mean, it seems like you've seen Dietrich Wise stand
up every now and then, but it's not like part
of the you know, it's just like time to time thing.
So I mean, that's probably what it is. But I
feel like he's he's a hand down front guy.

Speaker 6 (01:19:34):
That's that's what he's gonna be as big boyd hit
a whit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
But I was before we got interrupted there, I was
gonna say, if you want to see the lighter side
of Evan, go to Patriots.

Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
Go to TikTok. That's where that's where he unleashes his fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
John and Maynard Mass, I've been listening to your podcast
for the last month, and I love the draft research.
We need an outside wide receiver. I was looking forward
to trading up to the end of the first round
to draft Flowers or to the beginning of the second
round to draft Mingo. Seems like a missed opportunity to
at least take a shot on an offensive weapon to
scare a defense. We have no weapons to scare a defense.

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Well maybe next year. Ps we need to trade up
though we have too many picks.

Speaker 6 (01:20:15):
It's a good email.

Speaker 10 (01:20:16):
I agree tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (01:20:18):
Look, I understand that you know we were just talking
about you can't force it, and I think there's pretty
clearly something up with Darnel Washington that is pushing him
down the board, and maybe that's that's why he's not
an option here. But I think at some point I
don't want to reach by a full round or two
on a receiver, but you're gonna have to take a
receiver of some ilk, whether it's a tight end or

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it's a wide receiver tonight or I can understand fans frustration.
I mean, he took two defensive players, Christian Gonzalez hit
it out of the park, Keon White, Luke Warmon. I
think he's somebody that's gonna have to wait and see.
Let's prove it to me.

Speaker 6 (01:20:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
I'm just not a I don't love this pick. I
don't love the position. I don't love the player. If
they had got and somebody that I.

Speaker 6 (01:21:01):
Thought would be a double digit sack guy, I would
be I'd be thrilled about it. But I just don't.
I don't get it.

Speaker 8 (01:21:07):
I you know, why, why another one of these types
of guys that's kind of where are you gonna play him?
What's his position, what's what's his standout trades? Probably power,
I guess, you know, in length, But is that really
what you need right now?

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
To move the needle? It feels like one of those
types of picks. To me, I wonder what is?

Speaker 14 (01:21:26):
What is?

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Oh, Mike and Evan are needed in ksph.

Speaker 6 (01:21:33):
Oh okay, let me let me go take care of
this because I think we're just gonna do yeah one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Okay, okay, h Deuce is gonna do some video obligations.
Let's see. Sam writes in I like the Gonzales pick,
and obviously there's great value there. But are there any
concerns with his tackling ability Christian Gonzales.

Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
I know that there is some talk about that that
he's he could be a little undisciplined as tackler. I
listened to, you know, his position coach, and I know,
you know, every year we do these, we talk to
position coaches, and really I can count on one hand
the amount of negatives that have ever been spoken about
the players that these guys coach. But he talked about
that being something that he has really improved on and

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used to be he was very focused on form tackles
and being perfect with his technique as opposed to just
getting the guy on the ground. And now he's a
little bit more, a little bit more results oriented rather
than technique oriented, and that's not as big of an
issue for him. Now we'll see when he starts playing,
but that I have read that as a potential negative

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on him in some of these recaps. But listening to
Demetrius More I think is his name, his positional coach
at Oregon didn't seem to think it was that big
of an issue.

Speaker 8 (01:22:49):
No, I don't think that Christian Gonzales has any sort
of want to issue or effort issue when it comes
to tackling. You need to improve his technique. Last year
he only missed three tackles at Oregon. He missed eight
the year before, but he seemed to clean it up
pretty nicely last year with Oregon. So I think that's
a little bit of an overblown thing. I look at
there's some things to this game that he needs development.

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We mentioned his age, you know, he's he's a younger player,
and he's not he's not a finished product just yet.
But I don't really see anything on his film that
screams fatal flaw, like this guy's not gonna make it
in the pros. There, not going to be a good
player because of reason X, and certainly not tackling. I mean,
I look, I I I feel like tackling with corners
is to begin with is a little bit of something

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that we're stressing over that I totally agrees if you
were drafting, if you were drafting a corner to tackle,
then you should have just drafted a linebacker as far
as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Uh, do we mentioned that Washington took Drtavius Martin and
Tampa Bay took your guy Cody mout Ah.

Speaker 6 (01:23:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:23:51):
Martin was one of was one of my guys to
a versatile defensive back and play the nickel, can play safety.
I thought he would be an interesting player for them
in that Devin mccordy role.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Okay, so the Steelers around the clock. Let's get back
to the phones. We've got Tom in New Jersey. What's
up Tom?

Speaker 5 (01:24:10):
Tom?

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Hello?

Speaker 14 (01:24:14):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Yes, Tom, go ahead?

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Hey, how are you guys? First time called it, A
long time listener, really enjoyed the show. I just wanted
to kind of get you guys with my hot take
on the whole Patricia thing from last year. I think
Belichick really wanted O'Brien last year, but that out of
respect for Saban and maybe O'Brien didn't want to come
right away, he kind of just used Patricia's like a stopgap,

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and because rather than him hire somebody else, if they
did well, how could you really fire him at the
end of the year. So I think kind of the
pickle along for him. But you know, he just kind
of didn't want to put anyone in that spot because
you know, ultimately he wanted Billy O'Brien to come, and
the everything on the cake was that he didn't have

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to pay him either.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah, but I also think I think there's credence to
that he wanted O'Brien couldn't you know, couldn't get him
right away. But I do think that he thought the
Patricia put the Patricia thing was gonna work, you know,
and if it had worked, Bill O'Brien wouldn't be here now.
So I think once he decided that he was gonna

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go with Patricia, I do think he thought it was
gonna work.

Speaker 9 (01:25:26):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
You know, he didn't look at it as just a
one year thing, and as we obviously know, nothing works.
So but I do think that I think had he
had his choice last year, he would have brought an O'Brien.
I agree with that, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
And then if I can asked one question, just I
was kind of hoping to see Branch fall to us.
You know, we got swooped in by the Lions. If
I've been still there kind of like, what do you
think we should go for? You know we're gonna trade
back in. You know, I was kind of looking at
baby get either Downs or like I said, I was
hoping Branch to kind of replace mccordy, or if it's

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like a tackle we should go for.

Speaker 8 (01:26:10):
Yeah, I look, I think that at this point we
could see the needs at corner and edge. But now
you really have to start thinking about some offense. And
I understand the board might not have fallen in the
direction that the offense made sense in these first two rounds,
but I look at guys like Down, certainly, Marvin Mims,
Cedric Tillman, we've talked about a little bit. Maybe at

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the tight end position, someone like Darnell Washington. If the
medical red flag isn't too big of a deal, I
think a tackle you can start to think about maybe
the third and fourth round for that. Tyler Stein from
Alabama is a player that played for Bill O'Brien last year,
played left tackle in Tuscaloosa. Maybe he's someone that bill
O'Brien signs off on and think they can bring him in.

(01:26:53):
I think that do you really need to start hitting
on offense at some point though, I mean, thanks, this
is starting to get a little bit dicey in terms
of adding talent to that side of the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Seawan said Vancouver, Hey, Sean.

Speaker 21 (01:27:05):
Hey guys.

Speaker 26 (01:27:05):
Well, the other player that i'd like to see the
Patriots take a right tackle Dewant Jones, and I want
them to move up as well because I also still
I hope for a Mushington. I don't know what's going
on with the medical I don't think what does. But
everyone's been clamoring for him and he's still there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
It's yeah, wide receiver, yep, Washington, Washington and crap right, yeah,
yeah they are.

Speaker 6 (01:27:33):
I just said we got a little while though before picks.
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:27:38):
I just feel like you kind of have to wait
and see what's going to happen here a shocks, you know,
ten to fifteen picks before you really get a sense
of I mean Washington, I mean he might not be there.
Dwan Jones, he might not be there. I mean there's
I think that the talent's going to start to go
now here after the second.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Oh yeah, uh Nixon, La, what's up? Nick?

Speaker 20 (01:27:56):
Hey, guys, how you doing. I'm really just calling to
Ben here this key on White pick. I'm a big
draft guy.

Speaker 27 (01:28:02):
I love the drafts and watching it.

Speaker 20 (01:28:03):
That's ninety eight. This is like the most frustrating Bill
Belichick type pick. To me, like, this is so Bill.
It's like like I think Evan's got a heavy footed
Ryan Steel, Like when Nikhil Harry would get a screen,
it would take forever for him to turn around and go.
If this guy moves so slow.

Speaker 27 (01:28:19):
I get he's big.

Speaker 20 (01:28:21):
I just I don't understand he's just another body. Like
three years from around, we're gonna be like, oh yeah
that guy Kean Whity Yeah, yeah, he's on the team.
It just is like sort of a forgettable just big presence.
I know it's in need. I just I don't understand
why Bill is like I hate so it was fascinated
by this type of player, like not twitchy, just big,
just a presence.

Speaker 27 (01:28:42):
So I've just been thinking about that.

Speaker 20 (01:28:44):
And also I'm curious as to what you guys would
have thought we were maybe trading up for. Hear these
rumors we're trying to get into the early second back
in the first I love guys like Mouth and Branch.
I think those are the types of players we need,
we need neat identity.

Speaker 17 (01:28:57):
We don't have any of that.

Speaker 27 (01:28:58):
I think guy thought we might have been trading up for.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
I think Branch might have been the guy maybe, But
I just don't.

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
I don't love. I don't love necessarily the idea of like,
you know, all these rumors about trading up and they
didn't trade up well, like I think we talked about it,
I don't. I don't really have a lot of criticism
for that, because who, like what what is the specific
player like they must have had somebody when everybody talks

(01:29:26):
about the lack of like, you know, the high quality
of talent, you know, I think as those guys start
getting drafted, I think it becomes a little bit more pigeonholed.
I think that with all the picks they have, they
should be able to move around a little bit. And
I'm surprised they haven't. But I'm not like, I like,

(01:29:47):
we were just asked to give an opinion on Keon
White and and I'm sort of disappointed that they didn't
take you know, offense there. But I mean, truth be told,
I don't really. I mean, I Washington in craft with
two guys that popped into my head. But I'm not
gonna tell you that it's a travesty that those guys
are still on the board right now.

Speaker 8 (01:30:06):
Like I can't say that I would rather them trade
back than take Keyon White.

Speaker 6 (01:30:11):
I just see you don't like key On White, which
is fine. Like, I don't know as much about.

Speaker 8 (01:30:16):
The caller that we just had. I think nailed the evaluation.
There's nothing eye popping about his game. He's not twitchy,
he's not explosive. Uh, he's a three to four defensive
end that's gonna hold the fort, that's gonna hold the
point of attack. He's gonna two gap, he's gonna use
his length, and he's gonna use his power to play
the run. And what where does that get you? This

(01:30:38):
is a draft where they really how.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Many times have we said, boy, they really stink against
the run lately?

Speaker 8 (01:30:43):
And how much does that? I just don't know how
much that really as a factor. Like do I care
how much the Buffalo Bills run the ball on the Patriots?

Speaker 6 (01:30:49):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:30:50):
I care how many touchdown passes Josh Allen throws all
over them. Yeah, And He's not somebody that's gonna get
after the passer effectively if they wanted to draft an
edge guy. I totally saw the reasoning and they and
the thinking. But isn't the idea to draft the edge
guy to replace josh Ucha?

Speaker 6 (01:31:04):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:31:05):
I mean, you're you're not going to pay josh Ucca?

Speaker 18 (01:31:07):
Or are you?

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Are?

Speaker 8 (01:31:08):
You know you have one year left on Ja's contract.
Judon's coming up on the end of his contract too.
I don't think they're going to pay josh Uca. I
don't know about the rest of you guys, but I
don't see them doing that. And this is not a
player that's going to replace josh Ucha. This is a
player that's going to play on the inside with his
hand in the dirt. So where is the vision? Like,
what where does he get on the field? Well, what's
his role for this team next year? I just I

(01:31:31):
don't I can't find it. Is he going to probably
Tetrick Wise? Like is he replacing Lawrence Guy who's bigger
and stouter than he is?

Speaker 7 (01:31:38):
So well, I mean, how do you feel about those guys?
How do you feel about Rick Wise and Lawrence Guy?

Speaker 8 (01:31:42):
I mean, I thought Dietrick WWI is coming off the
best year of his career.

Speaker 6 (01:31:45):
I agree with that. Early. I think Lawrence Guy is
a candidate. Yeah, I mean he's not this guy, Lawrence Guy, right.

Speaker 8 (01:31:52):
But Lawrence Guy is much bigger than he is.

Speaker 6 (01:31:54):
No, absolutely, but I just think might not necessarily be related.
But I think Lawrence Guy is one of those those
guys that they pulled the plug on a year early
rather than a year late. Veteran making a little bit
of money, not a ton, But that's that. I'm just
going by history.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Yeah, let's see, the Steelers took Keanu Benton from Wisconsin
defensive tackle.

Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
Dolphins took Cam Smith too. Yeah, but I'm going I
think that's a pretty good pick for them. I think
I think they got two good corners right now, and
they got a third now to And now you have
a young corner who was one of those guys, depending
on where you looked, was rated to go, uh you
know a little bit higher than this, you know, green Bay.

(01:32:38):
This particular list has him twenty ninth.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Green Bay took Jaden Reid Michigan State we downs downs
hasn't gone yet.

Speaker 8 (01:32:45):
No downs to the sizes he's downsing because of his size.

Speaker 7 (01:32:49):
Yeah, Well, read the same isn't read. I mean reads
is kind of the same.

Speaker 6 (01:32:54):
I like to read, but I like to read. Then
that's that's disappointing. Yeah, I don't know. I gotta dig
more into two Keiomite.

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
I was kind of dismissive of him, and I, you know,
I obviously respect what Evan's saying about him. I just,
you know, I think in the right system, you never
know with some of these guys. So I mean, I'm
willing to give him a chance and try to find
some some but I hear every you know, I hear
everything you're saying.

Speaker 6 (01:33:18):
It's also just tough because I think we talk all
about the.

Speaker 7 (01:33:21):
Edge need and I think to your point to even
feel like you filled that, you know, like I don't
know for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:33:27):
I love the way Evon said he goes. You know,
I'm okay with taking an edge guy, but take an
edge guy, yeah right, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:33:33):
That that I think is the whole thing to me,
is that he he is a three four end in
their system. If they're sticking to that system, he's I
don't think that he's athletic enough or loose enough to
stand up. And so if you're gonna the whole idea
of of us arguing for them taking an edge guy
when we started talking about edge guys in the first

(01:33:55):
round on the show and things like that, was to
take an edge guy because you think you're not paying josh.
This guy is not josh u j This is nothing,
totally different type of player. So where what's the what's
the vision of getting him on the field? What's the
role for him next year? When in a draft where
I just really felt like they needed to come away
with at least two impact guys that were gonna help

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the twenty twenty three Patriots. This guy might help the
Patriots down the line, and I'm willing to give him
a chance and all that stuff, But what's he doing
to help this team this year? I don't even know
if he's gonna get on the field against some of
these other guys that they have already in the room
and the veterans.

Speaker 7 (01:34:33):
I'd have to look at Sam Roberts measure enough, but
he feels kind of in that in that range kind
of too, you know, he feels like that that kind
of body type a little bit. I'd have to look
at the measurables, But I mean, did.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Some people have this guy, you know, maybe lower first
round some people.

Speaker 8 (01:34:48):
Yeah, I mean, you know, every look, it's everybody has
a different opinion on these guys. My I don't think
he's a bad football player. I just don't really see
the need for for him. If you wanted to draft
an edge guy, then draft an edge guy. You drafted
a three to four end. I just don't know where
is he playing and what's his role on the team,

(01:35:09):
and he'll play on the.

Speaker 6 (01:35:11):
End o difference between a defensive end and an edge guy.
I understand what that was saying.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Yeah, I mean when you think of edge guy, you
think disruptive.

Speaker 6 (01:35:19):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:35:20):
But I mean, just to offer this up, this is
NFL dot Com offering a quote on him from a
personal executive for an AFC team. You have to see
him in person to get a feel for how he
moves around and how big he is. Really athletic, with
a high floor, he'll be a riser, so you know,
I mean, there's a reason why I mean he was
projected there in rounds one to two.

Speaker 6 (01:35:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:35:39):
I think this is the kind of guy where you
don't really know what you got and I don't think
expectations are very high. But I do think that there's
a need to be better on defense, and I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:35:48):
I think that the sky whoever that was a high
He's got a high floor. That's what he said, right,
That's exactly how I describe him. He's a high floor player,
which there's nothing wrong with that. But didn't I just
I was feeling I was clamoring for ceiling. I was,
I was clamoring for upside, and that's totally what they
got last night with Christian Gonzalez. So yeah, I think

(01:36:09):
Keon White can come in. He can play a role.
He can be solid in that role. But they got
enough guys that are solid in a role. You know,
they had they had to take a chance on some
of these guys with some higher upside. I don't know
if they did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
That here, let's see Matt and Carlsbath says, if ke
On White is so bad, what are the reasons some
thought he would be drafted in the first round.

Speaker 8 (01:36:30):
I didn't say he was bad. I just he's just
not my type of guy.

Speaker 6 (01:36:34):
That's it. I have I have an answer for this, Okay,
and stick with me here, and I'm gonna stay upfront
that I don't know and I've said this already. I
don't know what tremendous amount about ki On White, So
this isn't Keon White specific. I'm gonna leave that to
Mike and Evan who have watched far more tape on
these guys than I have. Okay, but you can't say

(01:36:54):
the experts got it wrong with Christian Gonzalez when he
went ten picks after he was widely considered to have
been off the board, and then say, well, well the
experts think that Keon White could have gone ten twenty
picks higher. Yeah, the NFL didn't. The NFL thought Christian

(01:37:16):
Gonzalez was seventeen, and the NFL thought that Keon White
was forty six. So what the experts said? Obviously. I
went through a number of mock drafts today. The best
one I found had three hits. Right, nobody, because it's
a ridiculously hard thing to do, YEA, When you don't

(01:37:36):
have the information, you're not the team's.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Neil and new Brunswick says Daniel Jeremiah had White as
his twenty eighth ranked player. He said he was a
converted tight end who was twitchy, unlike our callers perspective.
I know we all have to take to Evans' analysis,
but there are other opinions that many thought he was
a good player. Also, he looked pissed he wasn't drafted
last night as he was in the green room, so

(01:37:58):
he was pissed when he got drafted. So he's got
a chip on his shoulder. So can we let the
kid come to training camp and play before we cut him?

Speaker 6 (01:38:06):
I knew this.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Daniel Jia, Daniel Jeremy, Daniel Jeremiah problem. Daniel Jeremiah is
best at this and actually worked in the league.

Speaker 6 (01:38:16):
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Someone by Evan a Jersey Mike Subbers.

Speaker 8 (01:38:19):
Okay, just to be totally clear, all right, I have
nothing wrong with There's nothing wrong with Kean White the player.
He's got some upside. He's got some things going for him.
I mentioned all of them. He's a physical guy. I
think he's a bowling ball. He's got power, he's got length,
all these types of things that they cover it right,
And I just don't like the position the player of

(01:38:41):
that that they took.

Speaker 6 (01:38:42):
I I don't think that he changes the equation for him.
That's it.

Speaker 8 (01:38:45):
I maybe Kean White ends up being a great football player.

Speaker 6 (01:38:48):
I don't know. I'm not saying that he can't be good.
I'm just saying that why this why now, Like, why
why is this the spot that you're looking at, Like
in terms of like the rankings and all the stuff
that everybody wants to cherry pick the one that suits
their argument. I did a Google search today, Freddie has
I think the Dame Brugla one. So I did a

(01:39:08):
Google search today on top one hundred prospects and I
found one that was compiled as an aggregate of a
lot of different top hundred lists. Kean White on this
list is fifty nine. Okay, So like, there you go.
You can find someone to either back up or dispute

(01:39:29):
your view. Again, I'm not I don't know what tremendous
amount about this guy. I've watched them a little bit,
but not anywhere near as much as you guys have.
So I'll defer to you guys. I think that there
was I think it was time to sort of like
look unless you could get like a real impact player,
I think it was time to look at offense there.
That's what I'm a little disappointed at, not the player.

(01:39:49):
I don't know enough about the player to be happy
or sad about them.

Speaker 8 (01:39:52):
I think that's exactly where I'm at. I just I
wish that they had gone offense with this pick. They
went defense last night. They got their corner last night,
and I think there were other This is a deep
edge class to good edge class, and I think there
were other guys in this skill set that they could
have gotten later on and maybe grabbed somebody on the
offensive side of the football. I will say, you know
a lot of the guys that I had graded out

(01:40:14):
higher than Keon White or were off the board at
this point. You know, Derek Hall, Isaiah Foski, bjo Jalari,
you know some of the guys that went last night.
So I had him right about here and they took
him right about here. I just would have rathered a
different player.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
That's it, Matt in Connecticut. Here's what ESPN said how
he would fit. White is the ideal fit for the
Patron's versatile defensive scheme. With Matt Juden crashing off one edge,
White could use his power and speed to make an
impact as both a defensive and potentially a defensive tackle.
Given his size and strength, he is similar in ways
to Dietrich Wise and can play a similar type of

(01:40:52):
role as a rookie.

Speaker 8 (01:40:54):
Absolutely, I don't disagree with any of that. Besides the
use of the word speed, I would I would not
call him an explosive first step player. I would call
him a bowling ball, somebody that just is a wrecker
in between the trenches that can really get off into
people and push people around it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Better or not as good as Ty Warren was.

Speaker 6 (01:41:15):
I saw someone compare him to Ty Warren's. I love
Ty Warren. I don't necessarily need Ty Warren in the
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 7 (01:41:23):
Okay, no, Ty WARN's three hundred pounds plus, right, I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Mean Chad in Atlanta? Well, Belichick giveth and Belichick taketh away.
These two picks were on the complete opposite end of
the spectrum when it comes to excitement and fan approval.
Is Bill going to try and get an offensive weapon?
Isn't the goal to help Mac? Or is he sabotaging him?
Don't like the white pick at all?

Speaker 7 (01:41:48):
Well, I don't think he's sabotaging him, But I do
think that you're quickly running the course of there just
aren't a lot of these immediate impact kind of guys
that are that are left. And you know, I think
you're you're okay to swallow that at a position like
tight end where you have two guys under contract for
the next year. But you know, I get, I get
what everybody wants. They want one of those tackles maybe,

(01:42:09):
but I mean everybody really probably wants a wide receiver.

Speaker 9 (01:42:11):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:42:12):
I think if they had taken Josh Downs right there,
everybody would have been happy.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
But Josh Downs isn't isn't gone yet, So you know,
it's which is part of my point, Like, you know,
when you like a guy like we all like Christian Gonzalez,
we're able to say what a steal. You got him
ten picks later then everybody thought he was going to go.
And when you kind of Lukewarman a guy, because I
don't want to say we don't like Keon White, let's say, well,
Luke warm on the pack, he's fine. Yeah, Well you know, well,

(01:42:39):
what are the experts know, like they thought he was
going to go, Well it doesn't work that way.

Speaker 7 (01:42:44):
Yeah, Or what if they had traded up to thirty
two for Washington, you know, like we would have been like,
oh my god, they did it, but he's still coming in.

Speaker 6 (01:42:52):
It's also just to that.

Speaker 8 (01:42:53):
Point, like I think people think I'm bashing the pick,
but last night I was elated, so like, I'm just
trying to give it to you the way that it is,
like the way I feel. I watch a lot of
these guys. I study a lot of these guys. I
put a lot of work into it. And he's fine.

Speaker 6 (01:43:07):
That's what.

Speaker 8 (01:43:07):
I can't describe him any other way. And we'll see
where he plays and we'll see what happens. But just
the position that he plays and the way that he
plays it, to me, is just another one of those patriots.
Like he's gonna bring his lunch pail to work every
single day and he's gonna do his job, and he's
gonna make, you know, an impact in that sort of vein.

(01:43:27):
But I don't necessarily see somebody that has elite, game
changing type of potential. And I think that's what this
team needs and so cool we can play a role
in their defense. That's what That's what he's got.

Speaker 6 (01:43:39):
Two quick things. The Chiefs. I believe took that wide
receiver from SMU that I liked that you guys didn't,
But you guys said that he looked kind of irritated
when he got picked. Did you see. So I'm just
someone on Twitter. I don't know who it is said
that he got a little FTB VIDs. I don't know
what that. Yeah, he does. He got a little emotional

(01:44:02):
when they saw the pick announced on TV. So I
don't know does that mean emotional like he was mad
or emotional? Maybe we misread because I didn't see his
mama was crying. I saw his mom last night, his daddy,
his mama. I will say this for Kean White for sure.
The NFL did him a disservice by inviting him to

(01:44:22):
the draft last night because he was never going in
the first round. I don't know what intel. So maybe
that's why some people are like, no, well he was Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:44:31):
He was never going in the first round. They brought
him out to Kansas City in the green room, and
that's embarrassing. It is so maybe he does have that
chip under his shoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
I wouldn't go if they asked me to go.

Speaker 6 (01:44:43):
You know, he's not that's not Yeah, he's not happy.
His mother is crying. He's not well. Who I assume
is his mother? Yeah, he was not. They did not
look happy. The only possible explain might just show me
the video was that he was just.

Speaker 7 (01:44:59):
Still frustrated from last night that they made him come
and sit and he was just like finally, you know,
I mean that's what I can only.

Speaker 6 (01:45:05):
Hope that everybody I'll ask him about it. I just wonder,
like everybody will welcome him.

Speaker 8 (01:45:09):
It was it his agent? Was it the league that
was telling him he was going to get drafted last night?
Like what was the motivation of going to the Because
I really do genuinely feel bad for him because there
was no chance he was going last night, and he
sat in that green room for thirty one picks and
all of us knew that he wasn't going last night,
and and he was, yet he was still sitting there.
So I wonder how that's going to affect him in

(01:45:31):
a positive way.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Take it out on the.

Speaker 6 (01:45:33):
Field, I think.

Speaker 7 (01:45:33):
I think part of the hard thing too, is that
with Gonzalez, you know, we're going to see him in
a week or two out here, and he's a cornerback,
and he's a really athletic guy, and you're instantly going
to be able to watch him and get some kind
of just idea of him. And it's a lot harder
with a guy like ke On White. You have no
idea where they're going to really line him up. They're
not going to play really physical, and you know, it's
just these are these are shorts and not you know, helmets.

(01:45:55):
So it's it's harder to build excitement with him until
you get to like day one of pads and even then,
you know, what, have they even hit really anymore?

Speaker 6 (01:46:02):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
All right, So we're on the twenty fourth pick of
the second round. That's Kansas City. Paul, you said they've
already chosen.

Speaker 6 (01:46:08):
I think they took uh, yeah, Rashie Rice, wide receiver
out of SMU, who I liked a little bit. I
mean not that I was in love with him or anything,
but I liked him. And yeah, the boys I liked
him too. No, I didn't think which is fine. No,
I like that a lot of separation.

Speaker 7 (01:46:23):
Yeah, I just well that's that's what I kind of
felt like two of them. More I watched him, he
just he felt like he kind of got to the
top of the route and he kind of gets stuck
and you know, couldn't really break. But now I think
he's a good player. I mean I I would have
I would have been happy with him.

Speaker 8 (01:46:34):
He's a he's a he's a physical, uh you know,
competitive guy, Rashi Rice, Like he's when that ball is
in the air, Hi Rice is coming down with the
football a lot, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:46:46):
He.

Speaker 8 (01:46:47):
I think a lot of people that really really liked
him saw some DeAndre Hopkins in his game where even
when it doesn't look like he's open, he's open because
he just out muscles the other guy for the football.
I just didn't really want that skill set for Patriots, Like,
we don't need a guy I would agree with that,
you know, And I don't like that that's just gonna
not gonna get open and not going to be explosive.

Speaker 6 (01:47:07):
He's just gonna out muscle guys.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
We had another running back taken by the.

Speaker 6 (01:47:11):
Freddy check out This goal by so Pasta scored a goal.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
What I.

Speaker 6 (01:47:17):
Was told Pasta couldn't score goals. That's the goal. Score
a goal. Your shows, Yeah, that's ridiculous. No one ever
says he can't. A guy with sixty goals can't score
a goal? Where where is he? Where where is he been?
He's had a terrible series. Here are they supposed to
pretend he's played?

Speaker 14 (01:47:32):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:47:33):
My god, now you're just making crap up. That's sixty goals.
Someone said he can't score. Yes, your show said that,
you guys where hate him so much you can't even listen.
It's unreal. You're very defensive, right, because that's because that's
asked night when someone makes fun of somebody for turning
the puck over too much, and you say that he
can't turn the puck over too much because he's trying

(01:47:55):
to score and he's gonna you guys the time living
it over, so make fun of for that. Now we're
in front of them for saying. Now, I'm just fun
of them saying he can't score goals when he had
sixty guys. I think this is really about Keon White
right now.

Speaker 8 (01:48:08):
It's much better than I'm giving ke On White a
third time through. I watched him yesterday morning because I
had this last second inkling of like it's kind of
their type of guy, right, So I went I watched
him initially, I watched him again yesterday, and I'm watching
him again now. So I'm gonna try to sell myself
by tomorrow. Talk to me tomorrow tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:48:29):
I'll think that it's like I'm just gonna put my
positive Homer hat on for a second and just say
what I'm hoping for, Like I'm I'm hoping that this
guy does bring an element of a kind of a
unique element of power and athleticism to the I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:48:41):
Know if he's going to have the speed it's what
he has. But Mike, you just sold me you know
that that's what I like that. You want to talk
about unique combos of power, and I mean, I'm here
for that. Let's I'm here for that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Let's be honest, all right. Dietrich Wise started out on
fire last year and he faded down the stretch, he disappeared.

Speaker 6 (01:49:00):
Yeah, I thought he had a pretty good year. I've
been I've been.

Speaker 7 (01:49:02):
I've been fine trying to upgrade him for a while now.
But I mean, I would just say I fell in
love with Trayvon Walker last year. I don't think he's
going to be Trayvon Walker, but I don't I see
similarities to like, you know what we've been talking about.

Speaker 6 (01:49:13):
Is he going to be a speed rusher off the edge?

Speaker 7 (01:49:15):
Probably not, But I just look, they've been kind of
running it back with this front seven for the last
few years and it hasn't been good enough. So if
you're telling me that maybe they're going to take a
chance at a potential guy that could upgrade things along
the line of scrimmage and maybe give them a different
dynamic than what we've been looking at with guy Godshaw.

Speaker 6 (01:49:31):
Like maybe they want to get maybe they want to
get away from those three hundred and fifteen pound guys
up front and get a little bit more athletic. Yes,
he definitely has.

Speaker 8 (01:49:40):
I think that the two things that I can give
to him or that he has significant play strength, Like
this is somebody that you can see a noticeable shock
when he puts hands into people, that he can really
press a block and get off a block in that vein.

Speaker 6 (01:49:53):
And I do think he has a little.

Speaker 8 (01:49:54):
Bit more of that like bowling ball, you know, game
wrecking ability than a guy like a Orange Sky does.
It's just really there to just hold the fourth, so
there's a little bit more playmaking there than some of
those other guys. I just I just really wanted to
go offense with this pick. I think that that's what
I'm kind of coming to terms with. Is where my
initial frustration was was that I just really wanted to

(01:50:16):
go offense. And now the Bruins will make me feel better,
So it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Bruins.

Speaker 6 (01:50:19):
There's suddenly dominated. But it's just like the other night
all we saw.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Yeah, they've flipped the switch. Let's see brad AND's new Brunswick.

Speaker 6 (01:50:27):
I'm wondering, and Carlos score goal.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Yeah, I'm wondering why they haven't traded up by using
their fourth and sixth rounders. Like Fred said last night,
you have to have a partner. Do you think there
is some sort of anti Patriots bias or Patriots fatigue
or even Patriots hangover. Yes, even though we are five
years removed from our last Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:50:45):
That's why there was seventeen other trades in the round.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
All the other teams are just saying, no, we're not
going to help the Patriots get better.

Speaker 6 (01:50:51):
Correct. Yeah, I think that might be Carlo's goal. I
don't think that got.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
Tipped Mike, and Raleigh says taking off the ledge. I
would rather have an offensive player there as well. But
at least they're taking players in the round they're supposed
to go in and like Jordan Richards, Tevan Strange.

Speaker 8 (01:51:10):
Okay, I go on, who's this emailer? Good, good email?
I told you to buy tomorrow. I and I also
want to take a little bit because I haven't really
heard Evan on the ledge.

Speaker 6 (01:51:20):
Yeah, it's not like I think.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
It's just it was such a polar opposite from last night.
People are he's.

Speaker 7 (01:51:26):
Being consistent, he has integrity for what he watched and
select the guy he doesn't like.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
He said, I think we all know this team isn't
going to win anything next year. I just hope they
come out of this draft with good foundational pieces to
the roster that will be here for years to come.
Let's all give Keon White a chance and show that
he can be a good player come this summer.

Speaker 8 (01:51:44):
I just want to say, just give the kid a shot,
to give ke White a chancing, like we're all giving
him a chance.

Speaker 28 (01:51:52):
Like obviously we're all giving him a chancet. What don't
worry How about those that want to give mac Jones
a chance? No, maybe by getting in some players.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Absolutely not, Clint says, don't worry, Evan, I get you.
It's late, we're probably trading back anyway. Let's talk again tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:52:10):
You're right.

Speaker 8 (01:52:11):
By the time we get on the air tomorrow, I
will have grinded some more ke On White tape for
now the third time trying to I found there and
by tomorrow, I will tell you all you know what
I was wrong. My reaction was incorrect, and now the
Patriots have two game wreckers on defense in the draft.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Me too. Lock In Adelaide says, I just wanted to
chime in and say that evans response to key On
White is reminiscent of Paul's reaction to Richard Seymour. He's
not quite resigning. I think that he reminds me a
bit of Sebastian Volmer pick a diamond in the rough,
possibly with somebody else I was.

Speaker 6 (01:52:49):
I was way more negative.

Speaker 8 (01:52:52):
Bastian Volmer didn't go to the combine. He was the
highest draft pick ever to not go to the combine.
Ke On White is at least an other emailer is right.
The way to talk me off the ledge right now
is that Kean White was at least supposed to be
drafted here. They drafted a guy that was supposed to
be drafted there, and they didn't draft Sebastian Volmer. Sabastian
Volmer was a was a out of nowhere type of

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pick at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Let's see PAULI writes in in Ohio, how have we
not made a trade? There are so many reasons to
have moved up and gotten a guy, and they have
the ability to move anywhere they want. I'm very confused.
I want Darnell Washington, Josh Downs, Byron Young, don't want
they want Jones, Zach Harris, Kenny mcintize, Zak Koontz. So
he names more. Also, the Patriots could have drafted defensive

(01:53:37):
end Mike Morris in the five or sixth round and
gotten a better player than White. Unbelievable pick. Why they
didn't trade up for someone like Mingo or Laporta and
made it differ.

Speaker 6 (01:53:47):
Now better players are available in the sixth round, like like,
go on, I'm going to become the biggest key On
White fan in the world with the way that some
of these people are reacting to this pick.

Speaker 8 (01:53:57):
Yeah, it's my fault on you guys came out too
hot against the.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
Bread and Lemister says, we're tipping the bruin scores. I
guess we're seeing it before he is.

Speaker 6 (01:54:06):
I don't know what just happening. This school get overturned,
and I'm not sure, but I think I, Matt, do
you know what's going on in there in the crease?
The busk in the crease? Okay, because I thought that
may have been a hand pass. Very early in the
whole sequence. Everyone was looking at the what a terrible rule?
Are sorry? What hand pass?

Speaker 9 (01:54:27):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:54:28):
Just like Luke scoon Maker guy went to down and
after they gained the zone an hour later, while this
was a good law, Yeah, now we're gonna call it fairness.
I don't have the volume up. I don't know that.
That's why everybody on Twitter is just saying that's garbage.
Drew Pearson announcing the Cowboys pick. That could be like
the end of the show. Who's the the Schoonmaker?

Speaker 8 (01:54:49):
Scoon Maker? Ye can't have schoon that's too nice.

Speaker 6 (01:54:53):
The goal is off the board. But I don't know
that's too that's too nice of an offensive piece.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Back to to two to Okay, So Dallas takes Luke
Schoonmaker from Michigan. Second Michigan guy they took, I think. Yeah.
So the Bills, the Buffalo Bills are on the board
at the twenty eighth pick, fifty ninth overall. Uh so
we're getting to the end, close to the end of

(01:55:18):
the second round. Let's go to the Phones's see it's
Christian in La who's very disappointed and sad.

Speaker 6 (01:55:26):
What's up, Christian Evan.

Speaker 16 (01:55:29):
Well, I just don't know what we're doing. I mean,
it seems like what we decided, and hey, I love
Christian Gonzalogi is the great player, the impact player, and
this kid key On White, he may be an impact player.
But here's the essential question that I'm asking is how
many wins do these guys translate to? I don't think

(01:55:49):
more than one or two.

Speaker 6 (01:55:52):
We said is not quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
It seems like what we said is okay, now that's
ten wins this seeon, Yeah, that's getting better.

Speaker 6 (01:56:00):
But how is how is a draft pick responsible for? Like, yeah, wins? Well,
if you have a good draft, that helps you get better.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:56:08):
But like I mean, that's I think what you're saying,
we're going to get a guy in the third round
that's going to be responsible for.

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
What you say, Christian is you're looking for impact players.
High impact players, right, You're not going to get them
unless you were in the top ten of the first round.
You know, Gonzales could be.

Speaker 27 (01:56:23):
If I don't know what.

Speaker 16 (01:56:26):
Christian goes out to a great player, but I really
think we needed to look at some offensive firepower.

Speaker 27 (01:56:31):
Or help for Mac.

Speaker 16 (01:56:32):
It seems like Bill is saying we're going to try
the whole team below twenty one point because our team
as is can maybe generate seventeen to twenty one points.
So it doesn't seem like a good philosophy. Maybe I'm
just missing something.

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
No, I mean, listen, everyone, A lot of people I
shouldn't say everyone, thanks, thanks for the call, Christian. A
lot of people think the Patriots need to upgrade their offense.
There's no doubt, there's no doubt. That's why they brought
in Bill O'Brien Gonzales.

Speaker 8 (01:57:00):
Why it's not part of this though the Christian Gonzales
pick was the right pick, and it was a good
pick yesterday. The problem is is that now they need
to address some offensive holes, like now you need some
help in the pass catching department, and you need to tackle,
and whether the board fell your way or not, if
now in the third round, go get yourself a receiver,
and go get and trade up in from the fourth

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round and get attacked.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
But see, I don't, come on, I don't. I don't
like that philosophy. If it's if you're just saying I'm
drafting for needs because you gotta like the player. You
can't just draft. But their positions.

Speaker 8 (01:57:34):
So they've they've done that, right, which is fine. But
at some point the board has to fall in a
direction that you can take an offensive player. At some point,
the board has to be in a position where you're saying,
we have a highly graded offensive player that we like here.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
So you can't just that's higher, that's higher than you know, got.

Speaker 8 (01:57:53):
Comparable or comparable comparable in the same tier, right, So
at some point that has to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:57:59):
That's all so real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
Maybe it hasn't had Maybe it didn't happen in that pick.

Speaker 6 (01:58:03):
Maybe so Keon White is talking to our local media here,
so someone obviously felt the same way that you guys
did when you saw the the TV reaction. He says,
I don't know if you've all seen on TV, but
I'm a chill person. I'm taking it all in. I'm
handling it myself. So he didn't necessarily back away from

(01:58:24):
it completely. And that's a couple and he says, I
haven't even talked to my family, to be honest, I'm
just kind of taking it all in. Oh boy, Florida
just screwed. What a what a screw job on that hand, pass,
I mean, that's bad. I mean, like, like Evin said,
it was like a good forty five seconds after the play.

Speaker 8 (01:58:44):
And it was barely like he grazed his finger and
they called it a hand path anyways, Draft Show Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
Yeah, so so what is so? What else did Keon
White say?

Speaker 6 (01:58:55):
You know, just a lot that was the stuff about,
you know, the TV reaction. I think so, But he
didn't necessarily say no, no, I'm excited. He was like,
I'm I'm a chill guy, you know chill.

Speaker 7 (01:59:07):
I mean, I was gonna say he's one of my
I think you hate this though, Paul my one of
my serious football guys. Like he's just one of those
dudes that don't look like he plays around like it's Dante.

Speaker 6 (01:59:16):
That's how he plays.

Speaker 7 (01:59:16):
But that's how he plays. That's fine, that's not He
looked mad. No, No, he did look mad, but I
mean it's nothing to be mad. Lived mad a lot
of the time.

Speaker 10 (01:59:24):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:59:24):
I guess he has a lot of business interests outside
of football. Yeah, there's there's some stuff out there about
this in real estate specifically. You know, you read this
quote like independently without knowing that, and it's kind of odd.
He says, I have to quote have to assess the
numbers where I stand contract wise and go from there.
But definitely the goal is to be financially free. The
more financially free I am, the better play better I

(01:59:46):
can play football. I don't like that, what I have
to admit, I thought that was a weird and when
I just saw the quote of it, you're gor that, come.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
Up, you drafted forty six overall, what was it, forty seven?
You're going to get what they get, Like, there's not
a lot of negotiation.

Speaker 6 (02:00:05):
There, not very explosive in excitement in any form. No,
he's an interesting dude.

Speaker 7 (02:00:11):
I kind of like him.

Speaker 8 (02:00:13):
I mean none, none of this has any impact on my.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
I've never I've never heard a second round pick talk
about his.

Speaker 6 (02:00:20):
Contract, about the business stuff of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
Yeah, I just not crazy about that.

Speaker 8 (02:00:29):
I come back to the position. I think that's ultimately
what it is. It's it's just if you were going
to draft another defensive player, then it needed to be
someone that was really going to move the needle in
some direction, right, A pass rusher that's going to get
after the quarterback. A defensive back like Brian Branches who's
going to play on the back end and help replace mccordy. Instead,
they took a three four end. I mean it's hard

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not to be a little bit underwhelmed by that.

Speaker 6 (02:00:51):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
Uh, let's see, the Bills took a guard, Osirius Torrence.

Speaker 6 (02:00:58):
One of the better guards.

Speaker 7 (02:00:59):
I'm so he lasted this long. I mean, at least
as far as the Senior Bowl was going. A lot
those guys were like, this is the first round guard.
So in this aggregate he was twenty fifth. That was
the highest player by far.

Speaker 6 (02:01:09):
That was totally.

Speaker 14 (02:01:10):
Man.

Speaker 7 (02:01:10):
The thing that stood out to me when they were
talking about that though, was, you know, just comparing him
to what we saw out of Cold Strange, and it's just,
you know, they look like a better player to me
than Cole Strange did, just as far as you know
what a first round guard should look.

Speaker 6 (02:01:22):
Like, I should say, with the exception of Hendon Hooker,
who's thirty on this list, but quarterbacked a little bit different,
Yeah Hooker.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
Let's see, we'll go to the ace ticket hutline eight
five to five pats five hundred Kurts in Canada. What's up, Kurt?

Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
Hello? Hello, Yes, longtime listener, first time caller.

Speaker 2 (02:01:41):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:01:43):
You guys do a great great show. But to Evan, Evan,
you know more about the draft than most people. Don't
back up. You're entirely right. They should have picked offense
and the second pick was not a good pick.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
Okay, name to the claim, You're right, my friend, who
on offense should they have picked?

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
Well, I think they should have either that they should
have tried to get the receiver because I think they
can get an offensive tackle later around.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
You have it in any particular name or just.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
Just the little guy.

Speaker 2 (02:02:20):
Okay, all right, yeah, I like and he's available. Yep, Okay,
you hold your ground, all right? Thanks.

Speaker 8 (02:02:29):
Kurt Downs is down here. That's why doesn't like down down.

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:02:34):
I just think though, I mean, I you know, you
look around, like what was selected around them. I mean
it's you know, there's a lot of defensive players going
in this range. You weren't gonna unless you were gonna
get up to get Mingo or Matthew Bergeron, probably not
going up for Avila or Michael Meyer. But I mean
then it's you know, edge edge, and that's where cornerback
cornerback edge.

Speaker 6 (02:02:54):
You know, if that's where the second guess is for me?

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Right?

Speaker 8 (02:02:57):
Is Bergeron goes thirty eight? And John of the Mingo
goes thirty nine. That's right in that, you know, trade
up for two fourths in your in your second makes
gets you up that eight spots to go get a
guy like that that that to me would have would
have been exciting. That was especially Jonathan Mingo U the
receiver from Ole Miss This is uh, this is a

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Speaker 6 (02:08:37):
All right, another tight end, went Bret Brenton strange, so
kind of a little bit surprised he went this highway.

Speaker 8 (02:08:42):
Yeah, Darnel Washington definitely has some sort of medical red flag.

Speaker 6 (02:08:45):
That's well. After the combine, everybody was like first rounder.
I mean, he's not making out of the first round
and uh and we got another penalty on the Bruins.
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Speaker 2 (02:09:00):
H Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:09:01):
DJ Turner two went to the Bengals, so I know,
I know, have you liked him?

Speaker 7 (02:09:04):
I have to admit I'm getting a little bit a
little bit disappointed here about the tight end situation. Just
of all the things that I felt like they had
to come away with, was you know, one of these
guys and there are.

Speaker 6 (02:09:14):
Still a couple left.

Speaker 7 (02:09:15):
But yeah, they're going fast. I mean, it is running
out like you wouldn't believe you if you.

Speaker 8 (02:09:19):
Just scratched Darnel Washington off. Just assuming that there is
some sort of medical red flag or something like that.

Speaker 6 (02:09:25):
I kind of am in my mind.

Speaker 8 (02:09:26):
Yeah, Tucker Craft and Zach Koonz are like the two
guys that stand out to me that that have some
potential and lot too and maybe a lot too if
they want to keep the Alabama tie. And Will Mallory
ran the fastest forty of the group, so maybe he's
somebody that they see some receiving upside with. But I
really think Tucker Craft might be their guy. That's the
guy that you know, Bill O'Brian liked from you know,
trying to get him to Alabama, and he came here

(02:09:49):
for a thirty visit, so that there's some definite smoke
around Tucker.

Speaker 7 (02:09:52):
I really liked him at the combine too, Like I
just you know, sometimes those guys, their personality just you know,
he seems like a good fit.

Speaker 6 (02:09:58):
But damn, I'm I'd be good with that.

Speaker 7 (02:10:00):
But I mean, they still got a ways to go
here before they're back up on the clock again.

Speaker 2 (02:10:04):
Let's go back to the phones. Patrick's in Boston. What's up, Patrick.

Speaker 27 (02:10:10):
Gellan? Thank you for the show. You guys are doing
great job.

Speaker 6 (02:10:13):
Thanks for listening.

Speaker 27 (02:10:16):
Brad, we've been listening since two thousand and six, first
time calling in, but love you guys. Fred and Paul,
thank you, thank you. We'll save the next column for
how I found the paper in Portland for the off
off season, but the two questions I have I guess
would be who are you looking at? Here to move up?

(02:10:37):
And the second would be and Eric's not here to argue,
but another draft to be tipping picks. Would you ever
consider it not tipping picks for the thrill of the draft?

Speaker 2 (02:10:53):
I would consider it. But the thing is, they take
so long to announce the pick on TV. It's so
much It's so long after the team has made the pick.
It's like, you know, I don't know what the point is.
I would love to keep the intrigue and and everybody
find out at the same time, but the way they
do it on TV is that it's so much delay

(02:11:16):
between the time the team gets the pick in and
when it's announced, it's not feasible.

Speaker 8 (02:11:21):
So the browncas just took Marvin Mittons. So another receiver
off the board to Denver. Interesting pick for Denver because Jerry,
what's going on with Jerry Judy? Now now you're not
You're I think you're way too late in the draft
of trade for Jerry Judy. I don't think that they're
giving up Jerry Judy for a third round pick.

Speaker 6 (02:11:41):
But just as interesting to dip into next year.

Speaker 8 (02:11:44):
It's just interesting that they decided to draft the receiver
that that has that somewhat similar skill set from Jerry Judy,
not obviously not as good, but kind of comparable player.

Speaker 7 (02:11:55):
So we're on to the third round here, Chicago is thanks,
Patrick is on the clock, and the Patriots we'll be
back up. I guess the thirteenth pick in this in
this round, So twelve picks to go now before the.

Speaker 2 (02:12:06):
Patriots, and in this round instead of seven minutes between picks,
it's only five.

Speaker 7 (02:12:10):
Right, we're gonna we're gonna pick up the pace left, Yeah,
it might pick up a little bit.

Speaker 6 (02:12:14):
Did that go fast? I can't tell. Two hours twelve minutes?
Is that a fast? Third round? Second round?

Speaker 2 (02:12:18):
Yeah, that's a pretty good pace. Yeah, pretty good pace.

Speaker 6 (02:12:22):
Neither do I.

Speaker 2 (02:12:23):
So Chicago is on the top of the third round.

Speaker 7 (02:12:27):
Then a couple back to back picks by the Iggles,
who obviously are rebuilding the Georgia defense in the NFL
now with some of their earlier picks of the last
couple of years.

Speaker 8 (02:12:37):
So more context on Darnel Washington. Aaron Wilson is saying
it's a knee injury, a knee issue. He's saying, so
maybe it's like a chronic got to clean it up.
Chronic knee you know Sony Michelle situation where you know,
you don't know how long the knees are going to
hold up for him in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (02:12:54):
That's scary.

Speaker 35 (02:12:54):
Remember Jimmy Hitchcock Paul CLS right, No, no, A sales
pat took him, but he didn't have he wasn't born
with them or but he didn't had any it.

Speaker 6 (02:13:05):
Dominique easily with his knees too.

Speaker 2 (02:13:07):
Wow, he had issues.

Speaker 6 (02:13:08):
So he had an issue. Yeah, he had too in
both a CLS. Jimmy Hitchcock did not have a CLS. Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:13:18):
I just remember the Super Bowl against Green Bay in
ninety six. He sat outside the hotel pretty much the
whole week, playing chess out on the street.

Speaker 6 (02:13:27):
With just random Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (02:13:31):
Phil in San Antonio, Texas. What's up, Phil?

Speaker 14 (02:13:35):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (02:13:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (02:13:36):
I just I can't believe that we didn't jump up
or take any of these tight ends because it's just
you know, I mean they started going quick, and uh,
you know, I get the first pick, but you know,
at this point it's like, you know what, we got
one tight end left that's gonna that'll kind of land.

Speaker 2 (02:13:55):
Yeah, right, I thought they'd move up to But I
why they didn't may not be for a lack of trying.
They may not have just been able to find somebody
willing to dance with him, you know.

Speaker 6 (02:14:06):
I mean, I still don't rule it out. I think
they could at any minute here pop back up.

Speaker 18 (02:14:09):
But I know, yeah, I'm hoping that, you know, defensive
front wise, I understand why he went with that size.
You know, it fits his mold. I mean, I really
like that got Baylor that giant nose tackle. You know,
I think that that'd be a really good way to
shore up our.

Speaker 2 (02:14:25):
At this point.

Speaker 6 (02:14:25):
At this point though, if they took it, they took
a defensive lineman right now.

Speaker 18 (02:14:30):
No, No, definitely, yeah, definitely later. I mean I'm just saying,
you know, I would have gone tight end now and
be worried about the defensive line later. But you know,
I mean, because both are tight ends right now, are
on one year, right after this year, they're done.

Speaker 2 (02:14:44):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:14:45):
I mean, look, whatever is going on with Darnell Washington,
I'm just going to keep on crossing him off because
I if he's got a serious medical red flag, then
I don't think the Patriots are going to draft him.
But Tucker Craft is the one that just he's still
hanging around. There's a lot of smoke around him. I
think he's a versatile player. I can catch the ball
out of different alignments, run with the football a little

(02:15:06):
bit after the catch. I think he averaged over seven
yards after the catch last year. And he comes from
a school in South Dakota State. They just took Pierre
Strong last year, so a similar You know, they know
the program, they're familiar with the coaches down there or
over there, I guess I should say, and you know,
I think that there's there's a lot of smoke with
that one. So if they're going to target a tight

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end in the third round, I think their guy might
be Tuck the Craft.

Speaker 6 (02:15:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:15:29):
I watched him unfortunately against Holy Cross, but he they
him and and the other there's another tight end from
there too that was really good. Those two guys were
just men amongst boys, which of course is what you
know you look for at the FCS level.

Speaker 8 (02:15:40):
Yeah, they I mean, the goal was to get him
to Alabama. They tried to offer him a lucrative and
il deal to go to Alabama, and he just I
think he was a loyal guy and stuck with South
Dakota State, and uh, he stayed at that school. But
somebody has got some versatility that can run with the football,
can rush run seam as a seam threat as well.

(02:16:02):
And I think he can block a little bit. I
don't think he's a finished in line blocker right now,
but he's got some power and some ability to be
an in line blocker for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:16:10):
Darren writes in he said, Keon's reaction to being drafted
leads me to believe he might be considering not signing.
If I remember correctly, Bo Jackson chose to do just that.
Do you think that Keon might not want to play
for the Patriots or just not wanting to play for
the money he'd be getting as a second round pick. Well,
he definitely wasn't happy, and a successful real estate person
might make more money.

Speaker 6 (02:16:32):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:16:33):
I mean based on I haven't listened to the call yet,
but based on the quotes, like he just I think
he's a unique dude, and I think he marches, probably
marches to his own drum, and I just get a
serious vibe about him.

Speaker 6 (02:16:42):
The second part of that, I have no idea. Maybe
he doesn't he decided I don't want to play football,
but I didn't go in the first round, so I'll forget.
I'm taking my ball. The other part, like, it's kind
of hard for a second round pick to dictate where
he's going, Like, I'm not playing for them, so I'm
not going to sign. That's that's not happening. All they're
all slotted, so they all make you know, the you know,

(02:17:03):
a set amount of money. But it was interesting. You
don't really normally see guys that get drafted have that
kind of reaction. How about Cedric Tillman anyone? Yeah, No,
I like sender Timman Lot sure. Yeah, And then you know,
I just think it's interesting. And I know Fred's gonna
yell at me. The thing I brought up earlier, like,
you guys aren't necessarily sold that they'll take a quarterback

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in the draft, Like, is it completely out of the
Roman possibility to Hendon Hooker? Hendon Hooker? Is it complete?

Speaker 9 (02:17:31):
No?

Speaker 8 (02:17:32):
Of course, not completely. Anything's possible.

Speaker 6 (02:17:34):
So how about how about packaging fourth round picks to
move up for a second third rounder and taking Hendon Hooker.
I I'd rather that really, not only does it not
only does it just those I'm just going to say,
probably not going to help them twenty twenty three tea.

Speaker 2 (02:17:53):
No, But I just and it won't help them from
a morale either.

Speaker 7 (02:17:56):
I just I just think they got to hit something
on offense here, whether to tackle, whether it's a tight end,
and maybe a receiver of one of those three need
offensive positions here. You're going to be in the third round,
You're getting down to the you know, the the point
in the draft where you just start drafting traits and
everybody's got issues at that point. So I just I think,
you know, I hate thinking of things like you need

(02:18:16):
to calm the masses and you know, get back to
a pick that everyone agrees with. But I think that's
kind of what would happen if you took an offensive
player right now.

Speaker 6 (02:18:24):
People will be like, all right, all right, yeah I am.

Speaker 8 (02:18:26):
We are starting to broach Charlie Jones territory right now.
And if they want to get me back on board,
because that's the most important thing, of course, is making
sure I signed off on the guys that they pick,
that'd be a fun Paul face. They can take Charlie
Jones at some point like yeah, and uh, and we
can then get.

Speaker 6 (02:18:43):
Me back on board with this class. So let's past David.

Speaker 2 (02:18:47):
David's in New York. What's up, David?

Speaker 5 (02:18:50):
Hey, guys, that's going good.

Speaker 2 (02:18:53):
Uh.

Speaker 36 (02:18:53):
So we talk about how far Dark Washington's fallen so far,
and obviously that's a medical thing. I guess I have
a question this might lean more towards Evan. I'm more
surprised to how far Dewan Jones is falling because I
know there were some rumors that he maybe he could
be a first round pick or early second round pick.
Why do you think that he's fallen so far so far?

Speaker 8 (02:19:16):
Well, you know, I think the thing that you do
see with Dewan Jones is that at six foot eight,
three hundred and eighty pounds, he is heavy footed, Like,
this is not a guy that's that you're gonna mistake
for being rangy and sort of athletic. You know, at
the tackle position, he's a three hundred and eighty pound tackle.
He's exactly like if you just think about what a

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three hundred and eighty pound tackle plays like, that's what
Dewan Jones plays like.

Speaker 2 (02:19:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (02:19:40):
So I think that's part of it.

Speaker 36 (02:19:43):
Yeah, do you think he's still a good candidate for
maybe a trade up or if he still falls to
seventy six.

Speaker 8 (02:19:50):
I mean, I think you'd be a huge steal at
seventy six. He can play right tackle in the league
for the Patriots, because they that's the type of skill
set that they feel comfortable with playing on the right side.
Guy that can move people in the run game and
use his length and power to kind of you know,
make sure that they can't turn the corner and things
like that. Sure, yeah, I could definitely see him as
somebody that they would entertain here in the third round.

(02:20:13):
They do not like Ohio State players though, so just
that that's one caveat i'd put on it. I don't
think they've taken an Ohio State player since Nate Ebner.

Speaker 6 (02:20:20):
Which was thanks David, she didn't really play.

Speaker 2 (02:20:23):
What was I don't know if you were like into
the draft as much then as you are now, But
what was Tyron Smith's you know analysis coming out of college?

Speaker 6 (02:20:33):
Freak freak prototype.

Speaker 8 (02:20:35):
Yeah, I mean I think with Tyron Smith, that's the
one guy that whenever you just look at a guy
that you're like, that's that's an offensive tackle in the NFL.
Tyron Smith is just like the poster child of that.
I think Paris Johnson has some Tyron Smith qualities to
him and why he went sixth overall in this draft.
He's got some similar things to Tyron Smith. But Tyron

(02:20:56):
Smith was his Cyborg coming out too.

Speaker 2 (02:20:58):
Yeah, I mean, I just love watching him. He's one
of my favorite players. I know he's playing right tackle now,
but he just I just love watching, like for some reason,
certain players like John Hannah, like John Hann other than Brady.
John Hanna is probably my favorite Patriot, just because he
does his position so well. You know, that's that's Tyron

(02:21:19):
Smith to me. He was just so good at what
he did, you know, just a joy to watch.

Speaker 7 (02:21:25):
I mean John Hannah, those highlights from him, yeah, I
mean absolutely crushing people with like just extreme prejudice.

Speaker 2 (02:21:31):
Yeah, just like from the neck down, just solid and
he could move and just you know, like people say,
he's the best guard ever. And you just love watching greatness.

Speaker 6 (02:21:41):
Yeah, you know, I need some greatness here.

Speaker 2 (02:21:44):
Ye, Joey's in Maine. What's up, Joey?

Speaker 21 (02:21:48):
Hey?

Speaker 37 (02:21:49):
Huge fan of the Gonzo pick. I don't really know
much about the edge Drusher that we took, but I
like that. I wanted your guys opinion on the things
the Lions moved up to steal Branch from US Brian
Branch because I know maybe the guys that Evan Andduce
had on on the show, they were talking a lot
about how Brian Branch was.

Speaker 27 (02:22:09):
A Patriots fit.

Speaker 2 (02:22:10):
I think that might have been the case. I have
no you know, inside knowledge or anything like that, but
it just seems it smells like they thought the Patriots
were going to go after Branch and they moved up.

Speaker 8 (02:22:22):
No idea, Yeah, no, I don't know, but whether they
whether whether they thought whether the Patriots were actually going
to take Brian Branch or not. It is crystal clear
the Lions thought they might take Brian Branch, right, It's
a that's that's the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (02:22:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (02:22:35):
We have no intel on whether or not the Patriots
would have taken him if he was still there at
forty six, but certainly Detroit thought so. So yeah, I
mean there's definitely something going on there.

Speaker 37 (02:22:45):
Definitely, I like Josh Downs. I know they don't want
to talk about that, but have you guys seen anything
about at Perry from wake Forest. I'm a huge fan
of him, and I think I think he'd be a
good fit.

Speaker 27 (02:22:55):
For the patch.

Speaker 6 (02:22:56):
Yeah, he's an interesting receiver.

Speaker 8 (02:22:58):
I think now you're starting to get into the tech
territory of the At Perrys of the world third fourth
round picks. He's a glider, you know. He's a really
smooth runner, a good vertical route runner, you know, post corner,
corner routes, things like that. But he's somebody that deuce.
You don't really like the guys that are like, you know,
that build up speed, long striders like that's what at

(02:23:21):
Perry is.

Speaker 14 (02:23:22):
Now.

Speaker 8 (02:23:22):
He was a Shrine Bowl guy, but he played for
the other team at the Shrine Bowl, not the Patriots
team at the Shrine Bowl.

Speaker 6 (02:23:27):
But that's what he is.

Speaker 8 (02:23:28):
He's a a glider. He just doesn't look like he's
moving that fast, but he seems to get on guys
and be able to separate vertically.

Speaker 6 (02:23:37):
All right, Zach Pickens' pick for the I thought he
was better like when he wasn't if he was being pressed,
it looked like he was easily disrupted.

Speaker 8 (02:23:46):
Yeah, he's a little bit thin, you know. I think
when we went out there at the Shrine Bowl the
first day of practice, Alex and I were trying to
find at Perry because he's the guy that was pretty
touted in someone that was going to go in the
top one fifty of the draft, and we saw him,
we were like, that's a pretty thin, thin guy.

Speaker 2 (02:24:04):
Eagles have back to back picks.

Speaker 7 (02:24:06):
The first one is in Yeah, they took Tyler Stein,
who was an Alabama tackle and I think I think
during one of the shows this week, you asked us, like,
who's one player you think will be a Patriot and.

Speaker 6 (02:24:16):
That was one of the guys we mentioned.

Speaker 7 (02:24:18):
But yep, yeah, he's I mean, you can't ignore an
Alabama versatile ala. I mean, Bill O'Brien clearly familiar with him. Yeah,
you know, it's it's it's they're they're going through guys
right now. It's it's see, it's just getting carter and
harder to be like I love this guy, Like, you.

Speaker 8 (02:24:35):
Know, yeah, I just I remember Bill saying along a
while ago that one thing in the draft you don't
want to do is just watch the parade go by, right,
and and all this talent just kind of comes off
the board and you're just sitting there waiting to pick
every time, right, And Tyler Stein's another one of those guys,
you know, Marvin Mims just went a couple of picks

(02:24:56):
ago as well.

Speaker 6 (02:24:57):
Did they just not like these? Like?

Speaker 8 (02:24:59):
I can't imagine that they didn't like Tyler Stein. I
mean he played left tackle four Bill O'Brien and was
really good at it last year at Alabama. So I
can't imagine that they didn't have Tyler Steen on the
board somewhere. So what's what's the what's the snag?

Speaker 17 (02:25:13):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:25:14):
You know what?

Speaker 8 (02:25:14):
Why why not trade up and go make a trade
for for a guy like Steen? If you feel like
he's going to start to go here soon?

Speaker 7 (02:25:21):
Do you guys can come to you, I'll says.

Speaker 2 (02:25:25):
The feed went off after an hour. It's dead even
on your website. Disappointing. Been listening to the show for
twenty three years and this is the worst. No, just
the video feed went off at uh nine, eight o'clock.
But we're still on audio.

Speaker 6 (02:25:37):
So that's per NFL rules, right, it's not by Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:25:41):
So I don't know al if you're I don't know
if this is a movie because you're not listening anymore,
but just firing anywhere. I think we're still a right,
Matt Lapan, he's nodding his head, Yes, okay.

Speaker 6 (02:25:53):
Good, I mean people are interactive on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:25:56):
Todd in Nova Scotia. Why does Paul hate good players?
It's a good question when I ask.

Speaker 6 (02:26:00):
A lot what good player?

Speaker 2 (02:26:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:26:04):
You see what happens? They thought you were if you
guys spent the whole round trying to get me in
an argument about Christian Gonzalez and what did I keep
telling you? I hate going there because I like this
guy too much, and this is what happens, and and
and you weren't even the one who killed I'm not
killing I did not kill him. And I've defended you
on that because I don't think that you were on

(02:26:24):
the ledge about it from him. I don't think he's
an explosive like edge pass rush, that's all.

Speaker 2 (02:26:33):
But is it that key on White you don't think
fits the Patriots or just in today's NFL.

Speaker 8 (02:26:40):
The second one. He definitely fits the Patriots. He's a
total He's a total Patriot type of guy. You know,
talk about play strength, versatility, you know, play playing with
the hand in the dirt, you know, three four n
Maybe kick him inside on passing situations if you want
to try to keep him on the field and have
him rushed from a three technique. He's definitely a patriot guy.

(02:27:00):
The issue that I have with it is that in
today's NFL, I just don't know if guys that just
pushed the pocket and hold the point of attack, and like,
what's the value in that type of player? We talked
about last night, a ton that Christian Gonzalez helps you
try to slow down Aaron Rodgers and Josh Allen and
the Dolphins passing offense by giving you a potential number

(02:27:23):
one corner. What Kean White had seven sacks in the
ACC last year, So what what's the what's the how
is that going to help you against Josh Allen? And
maybe it's they have a really good front four now
that can hold the run and they can play seven
guys in coverage all the time, and but I just
I think that that's an antiquated way of thinking about it,

(02:27:45):
and I just don't love it for that reason.

Speaker 2 (02:27:48):
Hold on now, I mean, like playing seven guys all
the time is you know in the back it is
important in today's NFL.

Speaker 8 (02:27:56):
But he doesn't get after the passer, like he's not
going to be a pass for type of guy. I
don't think that's that's the whole thing. In today's NFL,
the guys that that let rack up pressures in sacks
are guys like Judean guys like guys like a Christian Barmore,
who have explosiveness to get off the ball quickly, you
can turn the corner, have flexibility, have multiple pass rush moves.

(02:28:17):
Kean White is a bowling ball. You know, he doesn't
have a counter. He doesn't have that bowling ball is
a strike.

Speaker 6 (02:28:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:28:24):
Well, and I think to to just to like, you know,
offer a little bit. I mean, he was a tight end,
you know, so I think he's there's still something to that.
This is new to the permission to position. He's a
defensive pier. So you know, I do think that there's
this the full book hasn't been written yet.

Speaker 6 (02:28:38):
That's key on one. That's that's where it is. He's
actually going to play tight end. So they I got
a weapon.

Speaker 8 (02:28:46):
I'm really not trying to trash on the kid, but
I gotta be honest with you. The whole tight end
thing that I don't care like so so he want
upon a time played tight end like.

Speaker 6 (02:28:55):
But they played defensive end for two years. You know,
all these guys a whole year. You still don't get me, apparently,
I don't know. That was a total joke. No you
I God, I know.

Speaker 9 (02:29:06):
No.

Speaker 6 (02:29:07):
Well my point was, yeah, Hendon Hooker, so we're not
taking them, so sorry, Paul. Well, there was like one
hundred picks to go before we got to us, right.

Speaker 8 (02:29:15):
No, no, got uh we got eight picks to go
seventy six.

Speaker 6 (02:29:19):
It wasn't exactly imminent. The Rams, I think, are coming
up to the Rams, they would have taken them. Yeah, okay,
Sexans are now on the clock, so the Rams were
gonna take Oh so they traded up and now they
get no. Rams traded out because I think they were
going to take the quarterback. Oh you think so, I'm
just making stuff up. Could be, could be, It's good

(02:29:40):
for morale. At nine thirty one, a couple of nice
picks by the Eagles. Though I liked Tylerstein. I like
Sidney Brown too. Yep, I guess the other the other
had anois first round defensive back. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:29:51):
I mean sometimes these drafts usually so the Ravens. I
look at the Ravens draft and I'm like, they got
all my big board guys, you know, like those like
for some reason sometimes Raven.

Speaker 8 (02:30:00):
Last year it was every draft expert Darling, you know,
Kyle Hamilton in the first round, they hit all the hits,
you know, they they just got all this consensus mock
draft guys.

Speaker 7 (02:30:11):
It is funny though, because it's like, Paul, it's your point,
what are the Eagles doing drafting guys from Georgia and Alabama?

Speaker 6 (02:30:18):
Like I mean, it's it's it's not that good football
players finding a way, you know, figuring out where you're
gonna put them later. But like that sometimes can be tough.
Like we were joking around doing some of the draft
podcasts and we were saying, you know, what, what exactly
do we think the Patriots going to do? And I
was like, you know, I know it sounds like a
rocket shot, but the Patriots have a lot of holes,

(02:30:40):
so they can go in a lot of different directions
and and still fill needs. And that's where I think.
You know, I'm not going to argue with your board
because that would be silly for me to try to
tell you, you know, my board, I don't have a
board and good reason. There's a good reason for it.
But you know, so when you take like I think

(02:31:02):
you drafted for need and didn't necessarily get the better
player when you could have got a different position. Like
I'm not gonna argue that edges in the need I
think it is, but I think you could argue that
another position of need would have had a better player available.
And again, I'm not gonna argue specifics, because that's that's
stupid if I'm going to try to say, like I
know more than mac ro and Bill Belichick, like, no,

(02:31:23):
I don't. Obviously there's a reason I don't get paid
to do that. You know, I don't know what I'm
talking about, But that's just how I looked at it
from the outside.

Speaker 8 (02:31:31):
I just think that looking at some of the guys
that went in, like the the late thirties and early forties,
it seemed like a lot of guys that you know,
I liked, and I know, Deuce you liked a couple
of these guys too, just went in that range. And
maybe the trade up partner wasn't there, or maybe they
just didn't feel as strongly about those guys as we did,

(02:31:52):
or as I did. You know, a guy like Derek Hall,
like Matthew bergeron Mingo Fosky, Ojulari, those guys just went
and now thirty seven to forty one range, and maybe
they preferred Keon White. Maybe they they liked them all
in the same tier. You know, I had them in
similar tiers too. I just preferred those other players a

(02:32:13):
little bit more. But that's the draft, right, I mean,
I I can't sit here and tell you that I
think that Keon White was We're not gonna I don't
know if we're going to hear that the Patriots behind
the scenes are ecstatic that they got Keon White in
the second round. They were ecstatic about getting Christian Gonzales last.

Speaker 6 (02:32:32):
That's a fair way of looking at it.

Speaker 2 (02:32:33):
Yeah, Walter Football says the Patriots had worst draft source
have numerous expiring contracts at defensive end the next couple
of years, so they had to find a pass rusher
for the long haul. Keon White had a slight chance
to be a first round pick. So I think this
is a great value pick for Bill Belichick, who was
having a great draft thus far.

Speaker 7 (02:32:55):
No one name just to mention to you, Evan, Yeah,
Jalen Hyatt, Oh boy, I mean that, I like, I
don't know, I'm not saying that this point for the Patriots.

Speaker 6 (02:33:03):
I'm just saying this was a guy some people had
in the first round. Yeah, some people are very high
on Jalen Hyatt.

Speaker 8 (02:33:08):
I'm just you know, I don't want to take too
many victory laps, but I I really did not see
it with Jalen Hyatt, and I had him below a
lot of the guys that have already been off the board.
So Marvin Mims, that was like my big draft take
with the receivers that I would have taken Marvin Mims
over Jalen Hyade in the league, took Marvin Mims over
Jalen High.

Speaker 6 (02:33:27):
And I would counter with like Tank Dell just when
Tank that's another one of those small, like productive guys
is going to be whatever Josh down exactly.

Speaker 8 (02:33:37):
I don't know that's where I was going to kill,
So okay, don't say that I don't know what right.

Speaker 6 (02:33:43):
And that would be different if there's like some kind
of Darnell Washington situation going on with him that we
haven't learned about, you know, that would explain it has
to be.

Speaker 8 (02:33:52):
There has to be for him to not go over
Tank Dell, like that's the sime very like the size
sixty pounds, you can't say.

Speaker 6 (02:33:59):
Size any more.

Speaker 8 (02:34:00):
And he played better in a bigger conference than Tank Dell,
so at some point that there has to be some
common sense if there's some red flags here.

Speaker 2 (02:34:09):
Adam says, they're beefing up the defense. I love it,
bringing it back to the beginning of the early two
thousands when the Super Bowls were won on the back
of the defense, before they knew who Brady would become.
Great show fellas, keep.

Speaker 6 (02:34:21):
It up off.

Speaker 8 (02:34:22):
They're bringing it back to the early two thousand run.
The game has not changed it all since then.

Speaker 6 (02:34:26):
Oh boy, Paul, you got the sarcasm, you got the
alarm on there. It takes one since it.

Speaker 2 (02:34:38):
Let's see, John says, what was wrong with taking offensive
tackle Broderick Jones with the fourteenth pick? Guess they want
to get mac Jones killed again this year?

Speaker 8 (02:34:47):
Some football character another one? How much does he want it?

Speaker 6 (02:34:51):
Fred? They could have taken him. But are you unhappy
that they took Christian Gonzales? Yeah, no, I'm not the
other buyer Young, not exactly.

Speaker 8 (02:35:01):
No, I really thought the Tennessee version of Byron Young
was better than the Actually, I like how the Byron
I didn't love. I didn't mind either, Brian yet Bottom
Cameron Young though not a Cameron young guy.

Speaker 2 (02:35:16):
Robin San Diego via Connecticut. Is the dread beginning to
set in over the fact that Juju and Kasiki might
have been the offensive moves. Are there any receivers left
that move the needle? And if not, what does that mean?

Speaker 8 (02:35:30):
I am disappointed in uh if this is how it
goes and we get what was it the twenty twenty
draft where they came out and they said, well, we
traded a second for some new and we drafted Harry
in the first round, So we passed on receiver all
the way to Trey Nixon in the sixth or seventh
round or whatever. If that's if that's what we do
this year, then I'm going to be disappointed in Macro

(02:35:51):
because I feel like Macro gets the receiver market. He
every time we talked to him, it sounds like he
understands that these are now premium players that you have
to invest real capital in to go and get. And
I like Juju Smith Schuster. I pounded the table for
him when they signed him. But that's that's not real capital.
Come on, that's that's the middle of the road receiver contract.

(02:36:12):
That's not that's not paying a guy twenty five million
dollars a year. It's it's wide receiver to money in
today's NFL. And they didn't take one in the top
one hundred. Let's see if they do now. But if
they don't, then that's the second guest to me.

Speaker 2 (02:36:24):
But if they take nine receivers tomorrow, I.

Speaker 6 (02:36:28):
Hopefully they find one of those nine that.

Speaker 2 (02:36:30):
I mean, they just.

Speaker 6 (02:36:32):
Want to get crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:36:33):
Let's get crazy.

Speaker 8 (02:36:34):
To be fair, I wouldn't totally rule out like a
Day three double dip at receiver on two guys that
they like. But in this class, that's just not a
great receiver class. And they take Charlie Jones and and
you know somebody, Bryce Ford, we in your guy? Then like, okay,
Then at least they got some guys in the building
that we we can say have some potential to play

(02:36:58):
a starter roll down the line for the Patriot.

Speaker 6 (02:37:00):
It's that. That's that's a I'm at the bare minimum
at this point with.

Speaker 2 (02:37:03):
That, Todd says, I'm preparing myself for bill a draft
six more defensive players and two running backs just to
make everyone's head explode.

Speaker 6 (02:37:10):
I don't say that.

Speaker 2 (02:37:11):
Wow, what people just turned huh?

Speaker 6 (02:37:14):
It is funny, and I was just thinking back to
like the old days. It's the trade. Like I think
everybody saw the move last night as setting up the
ability to get up and get an extra second. You
get some extra thirds or now you're like, well if
you move up and make a trade, now you're getting
a guy who might project to be a contributing player. Yeah,

(02:37:36):
like you're not, Like, I'm not telling you that. Like
I'm on Saint Brown was what like a fourth or
fifth round pick. I'm not telling you that that never happens.
But you're going to draft a wide receiver now and
say plug him in. He's going to be like the
the two. You know, he's going to catch eighty balls
for you. No, it's nothing.

Speaker 7 (02:37:53):
I mean not expecting that at the point. This is
a third round pick.

Speaker 8 (02:37:56):
The only guy that I think that can do that
is Downs. But I think clearly there's something that league
knows about Downs that we don't know, and we'll find out.
You know, we found out about Darnell Washington, so we'll
find out.

Speaker 7 (02:38:05):
I would say at this point, like the best I
don't want to say best case scenario, but the most
likely scenario is that you're getting a developmental tackle. You're
getting a third tight end who's going to develop and
maybe you know, contribute next year. To start, You're going
to get us an undersized slot receiver who maybe your
fifth receiver this year and maybe gets on the field.
Maybe you know, a lot of maybe and and and
a lot of like and then shots on safety, you know,

(02:38:29):
interior offensive line.

Speaker 6 (02:38:30):
I mean, there's there's not a lot to get excited about.

Speaker 7 (02:38:33):
Maybe there's a running back out there that that you
could say, hey, maybe this guy can contribute, if you
could beat out Time Montgomery.

Speaker 6 (02:38:37):
But but you're not. At this point in the draft.

Speaker 7 (02:38:40):
It's hard to say any of these guys that they
select are going to be true impact players at this time.

Speaker 8 (02:38:44):
I do think there are some tackles that that could
I think Dwan Jones, whatever reason he's falling, to me,
he is a Patriot right tackle, like he could start
at right tackle for them as a rookie. I'm sure
they like Blake Friedland, He's too much their type. Wanya
Morris from Oklahoma, Nick aw the Vary from Old Dominion.
I think those tackles have a chance to be a

(02:39:05):
double dip situation. Maybe that's something I've thrown out, you know,
third and fourth round double dip on tackle like they
did on corner last year, and maybe they hit on
one of the two guys, or if you get really lucky,
you hit on both. I still think tackle has some
guys in here that that can play.

Speaker 2 (02:39:21):
Paul and Arkansas says, I think Keon is a decently
fine pick. I just saw that he had the fifteenth
highest RAS for a defensive tackle dating back to nineteen
eighty seven.

Speaker 8 (02:39:31):
What's ris relative athletic score?

Speaker 2 (02:39:34):
Okay, Oush may or may not be here past this year,
and cup midway through the season. I predict Kean will
be starting over Usha.

Speaker 6 (02:39:44):
That wouldn't be much. It's not the same.

Speaker 2 (02:39:46):
Playoff six foot five, two hundred and eighty pounds and
runs a four to seven forty.

Speaker 6 (02:39:50):
Not bad.

Speaker 2 (02:39:50):
Let's see what we do in the next round.

Speaker 6 (02:39:52):
He also might start over Marcus Jones. That's here's the thing.
They don't play the same position.

Speaker 8 (02:39:58):
Thank you, Yes, okay, they don't play the same position,
So don't If that's how they're going to sell the pick,
and I'm not saying they are, but if that's how
we are going to sell the pick, is that they're
drafting Keon White to replace josh U j when they
don't pay Joshua.

Speaker 6 (02:40:11):
They didn't get that type of guy.

Speaker 7 (02:40:13):
No, I mean, and honestly, I'm just I'm just putting
this out there. I'm not saying I believe it will
happen because we've seen nothing from this guy. But it
seems more likely to me that if were to walk
that maybe there's a chance that they believe Ronnie Perkins
could just come in and be that passbrusher guy. I'm
not expecting anything out of him. He's been a total whiff,
but he's that kind of guy. That's what that's so much.

(02:40:33):
That's why I did. He can't even get a round,
he can't get a Repid training camp, but they must
have saw something in them.

Speaker 2 (02:40:39):
Fred and Limington Maine Way watch every Bruin's playoff game
with Paul.

Speaker 6 (02:40:47):
It's weird watching the same.

Speaker 2 (02:40:51):
Fred and Limington made way too much overreacting after only
two picks, one of which was tremendous. Last year, the
Patriots got solid Country abus Is from the third and
fourth round picks.

Speaker 8 (02:41:01):
Wait and relax, Okay, I'm relaxed.

Speaker 6 (02:41:05):
I'm relaxed to the Raders draft the other Byron Young.
I want to be Love the Other Byron The Other
Byron Young. I like both Byron Young's.

Speaker 2 (02:41:12):
But I really like that.

Speaker 8 (02:41:16):
Tennessee Byron Alabama. Yeah, Alabama Byron Young.

Speaker 2 (02:41:20):
That's old Byron stan and trust Stanton Shrewsbury last night
was universally lauded. Tonight, Bill Belichick has return to an old,
ineffectual coach. Media and fans are so much more knowledgeable
than Bill. So tiresome, I'll stick with Bill. There you
go for me.

Speaker 6 (02:41:39):
He turned on you. They're trying to poke me. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:41:45):
Zach in Springfield says there was a report that Dion
White is keon Sorry White, Yeah, I'd like to pick
I like the other. D There was a report that
White is planning to open his own bowling alley to
become financially secure.

Speaker 6 (02:42:02):
Cool. Oh, I have no problem with any of that stuff.
Like a kid, I like, people wouldn't hold that. I
wouldn't hold any of that interests. And when I mean,
you know, you gotta do the Gronk right. Gronk like
lived off of his endorsements and just what banked all
of his NFL salary.

Speaker 8 (02:42:17):
Like I just want to keep reiterating my take because
I feel like people think I might have to do that,
but you have to do it. I have to keep
reiterating it. I think Kean White is a fine player.

Speaker 6 (02:42:26):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (02:42:27):
I don't get excited about Keon White. That's just me personally.
I think he can play a role on this defense.
I think he fits the defense, and I think he
can play a role on the defense. But I was
elated about Christian Gonzalez yesterday and this just doesn't This
doesn't do it for me. I don't get all warm
and fuzzy inside, that's all.

Speaker 7 (02:42:44):
And I would say I feel some I mean, we
said it before they picked him, you know, I said
exactly that we saw. Somebody said he looks like a fit.

Speaker 6 (02:42:50):
I watched it.

Speaker 7 (02:42:50):
I didn't really see, you know, a great fit. I'll
just say this put my fan hat on. I love
the defense. I love watching defensive football. There's a small
part of me that's always going to be intrigued by
a guy that has these kind of traits to see,
you know, how potentially might work out. I don't know
that it will. I definitely feel somewhat like a little
bit underwhelmed, and I feel like the circus is or
the parade is passing us by someone.

Speaker 2 (02:43:11):
It's nine three.

Speaker 6 (02:43:13):
Do you know where your child?

Speaker 2 (02:43:14):
The Cardinals pick is in at U seventy two.

Speaker 8 (02:43:17):
The Giants are on the clock. They traded up the Giants.

Speaker 6 (02:43:20):
The Rams are like trading out of all their picks.
I think they're kind of back in that f the
picks face because it seems like they're trading Donald. Well.

Speaker 8 (02:43:28):
There there were definitely teams that felt like this draft
sticky poo poo, And.

Speaker 2 (02:43:32):
Then can I finish what I was gonna say? Sorry,
the Patriots are at thirteen. So what we'll do here?
And are you listening, Matt Lapan and Matt Morrell. We'll
stay on the air until the Patriots make their pick.
It might come a little after.

Speaker 6 (02:43:45):
It's not in my pay grade. The Bruins game is
going down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (02:43:50):
Yeah, but I I it seems silly to go off there.

Speaker 6 (02:43:53):
Absolutely, we do it. We do whatever year.

Speaker 2 (02:43:55):
Yeah, so we'll stay. We'll stay with you until.

Speaker 6 (02:43:57):
We're gonna make a trade. Oh boy, you can grade down.

Speaker 8 (02:44:00):
Yeah, well, I could see them trading back up into
the third round and drafting two guys.

Speaker 6 (02:44:05):
They're gonna trade the third round pick for seven fourths
and they're gonna just have the entire fourth round.

Speaker 8 (02:44:09):
I could see them trading two fourth round picks to
get back up the night and draft two guys.

Speaker 6 (02:44:13):
I hope that they do.

Speaker 7 (02:44:14):
I mean, and that's you know, we talked so much
about this draft, and that was a big thing for me,
was you've got all these fourth round picks. Last night
they got another one, get you know, a handful of
top fifty sixty picks. You know, don't just end up
with Gonzales. Love it, great question, defensive end front guy.
Like I just I feel like they're one or two
picks away. They could get two more picks in this

(02:44:35):
round and get fill some needs.

Speaker 2 (02:44:36):
Then you like Phil Perry here, right, Yeah, love love Phil.
Love Phil Perry.

Speaker 6 (02:44:40):
He's a really good musician, Phil Perry says.

Speaker 2 (02:44:42):
According to at Football Underscore Ciss Big Board, the Patriots
now have the number eight player in the draft, Christian
Gonzalez in number twenty nine Keon White. At Move the
Sticks had Gonzalez as his number ten. White was his
number twenty eight. Both prototypical Patriots, both physical specimens, both
scheme fits.

Speaker 6 (02:45:04):
Yeah, that's that's yeah, that's Phil PERI don't touch hockey.
Jesus sorry, I don't know about the rankings, but the
descriptions are fair. I would say, right, I do, and.

Speaker 7 (02:45:13):
Like to this point, like you just can't retroactively do it. Look,
they got these guys, let's see how they play, Like,
you know, like we can talk about this guy had
him as the number one player in the whole league.

Speaker 6 (02:45:22):
So like, you know, I'm gonna argue against the other
thing that you know, the whole like antiquated ty Warren
comp Well, he's about twenty pounds lighter than Taiwan at least. Yeah,
maybe he's that much faster and quicker, and he's not
like this throwback to the early two thousands player. Yeah,
you know, and we'll see that when.

Speaker 8 (02:45:39):
We There's absolutely no doubt that he is a scheme fit,
and there's no doubt that he can play a role
in this defense.

Speaker 2 (02:45:47):
You just don't like the scheme.

Speaker 8 (02:45:49):
I No, I'm just not crazy about the player. It's
not one of my guys in this draft.

Speaker 6 (02:45:54):
That's it.

Speaker 8 (02:45:54):
And maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I hope, I hope
I'm wrong. I hope that they end up being right
and he I think he's gonna be a fine player.
I personally feel like they have enough. Fine, I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 (02:46:06):
A little bit, but you're not gonna get that.

Speaker 8 (02:46:08):
I think you could have gotten it with some of
those guys. Yeah, maybe not. It's not like a guarantee.
Nothing as a guarantee. Yeah, but I think some of
these other guys that went, like in the eight to
ten picks before them, had the upside to maybe be
more than fine. I think Keon White, you ended up
with the guy that probably has the highest floor but
has probably the lowest ceiling.

Speaker 2 (02:46:29):
Ke On White. This is Caleb and Knotsville has the
frame to be a game wrecker. I don't know about
explosive this, and I just learned this guy existed an
hour ago. Let's not overreact. It's not a flashy pick,
but he might be a contributor soon.

Speaker 7 (02:46:44):
I don't I mean, I don't totally rule it out.
I mean, it's just you never know what's gonna happen.
I mean, I hear everything everybody's saying, but at the
same time, I just right now, for me, the focus
is getting an offensive player. And then these next few
picks and kind of getting back on track, and Hyatt
went to the Giants by the way.

Speaker 6 (02:47:02):
Oh good, let's go. Oh no, okay, as long sixteen minutes. Way.
Wait a second, Wait a second. Did the guy that
can't score goals score again? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:47:17):
My good?

Speaker 6 (02:47:18):
I don't think so. I think this was macab he
went down the line first it was I thought it
was macim Oh, yeah, but I didn't. This was an
empty net though. And again, I think you can saying
that if you keep saying that. But no one ever
said that a guy with sixty scoring goals. I I
hadn't heard that. I heard, actually the criticism does. I

(02:47:40):
heard that he disappeared in this series and he's got
two goals.

Speaker 7 (02:47:45):
I don't have any use for players who yeah, suddenly,
all you have to do is have one good game
and that you know when that.

Speaker 6 (02:47:52):
Is to get you over the hump to close out
the series. I'm good with it. It's the JD. Drew baby,
I'm all right, Okay, that says a lot about you.
A good play. I like because he had one draft.

Speaker 2 (02:48:05):
I think I always thought pastern was pretty good.

Speaker 6 (02:48:07):
I do. I mean, I think I think you out.
I know a lot of people have them. You gotta
have some guys that just scored just nine and a
half million doesn't buy you what it used to. Come on.

Speaker 2 (02:48:18):
Uh, so the Browns pick is in. We don't know
who it is yet, let's find out they are eleven.
Patriots are sitting at thirteen. So we're getting close to
the Patriots pick.

Speaker 6 (02:48:30):
We're on the not you like in the hole you
were on deck? Yeah, okay, we're actually on deck.

Speaker 14 (02:48:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (02:48:36):
Atlanta is on the clock because Cleveland already made the pick.

Speaker 2 (02:48:39):
Yeah, so we're on deck.

Speaker 6 (02:48:41):
Who'd the Lands take? I don't know they said.

Speaker 8 (02:48:43):
People are saying good pick by the Browns, but not
actually telling me who the freaking.

Speaker 6 (02:48:47):
Brown Browns took.

Speaker 7 (02:48:48):
Cedric Tillman, Wow, that the Tennessee guys go back to back.
I'll take my ball and go ahead, I'll take.

Speaker 6 (02:48:55):
My I wanted them. I don't get quite as excited
about you guys. Do what I kind of want. Tucker
Craft is still there, Tucker Craft. Tucker Craft would Okay,
so we.

Speaker 2 (02:49:06):
Got we're on deck. Who who do you want?

Speaker 6 (02:49:08):
I honestly, who do you want with this? Posh Downs, Crash, Downs,
Crafter Downs.

Speaker 2 (02:49:14):
You gotta take Craft.

Speaker 6 (02:49:15):
I would also take Washington. I'm fine with Downs now
now I would also would Washington.

Speaker 8 (02:49:21):
Now you know that's the guy if he if he
has one contract in those knees, I'm it's worth it
at this point, especially in this class.

Speaker 6 (02:49:29):
I mean you definitely feel this is.

Speaker 8 (02:49:32):
Going to get the hattie. Oh come on, Oh that
would have been the best.

Speaker 6 (02:49:37):
Uh was I gonna say? Oh what I'll tell you,
per capita per show. No one has sworn more in
this program than Mike. I didn't score. Oh yeah, I
just did.

Speaker 2 (02:49:50):
That's he said.

Speaker 6 (02:49:51):
Shoot, don't s h I t is not except he
didn't say fudge. That's all right, that's all right, we'll
see we're on the internet. We can would have the
Patriots are on deck right now. Correct, the Patriots are
on they're on the clock.

Speaker 8 (02:50:06):
Yeah, I think the Patriots are on the clock.

Speaker 2 (02:50:09):
So how about John Michael Schmidt's he already he already went, went.

Speaker 8 (02:50:16):
Is your b yu tackle still there? Baked him? I
do yeah, good athlete, good senior bowl, Okay, senior.

Speaker 6 (02:50:23):
Bush and good. He was fine at we got you
not really solid me.

Speaker 8 (02:50:29):
No, he's a he's a good I told you sposed
to sell me on the I told you he's Nate
sold her two point Oh. I know that like you
guys that remember Nate sold her a little bit better
than I do because he was a fine He's a fine,
above average player. Yeah, I think Blake Freeland has got
that kind of skills.

Speaker 6 (02:50:45):
That's it's more developmental, though. You're probably not plugging him
in as a starter, right third round?

Speaker 8 (02:50:50):
Well, I would say yes and no because he is
an older guy. H you know, b Yu, you know
how that works. He's not quite like totally b Yu.
I think he's like twenty three. He's not like a
twenty five year old rookie like some of the guys
out of by you are. But he's already kind of
a finished guy. You know, He's made a lot of
starts in college. He played at the Senior Bowl. I
think that you're not really necessarily looking at it as

(02:51:12):
a totally developmental pick.

Speaker 2 (02:51:17):
Falcons pick is in. Do we know who they pick?
Any tips out there?

Speaker 11 (02:51:22):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:51:22):
But we four four?

Speaker 2 (02:51:25):
Oh my goodness, my goodness, what's going on with this guy?

Speaker 6 (02:51:27):
Ye drums like an NBA game. I just lost my buzz. So, uh,
it looks like the Patriots pick is out, and uh,
I don't know who this guy is. Henry McKenna says
the Patriots set to take linebacker Marty Mapho. Okay, I
do know that.

Speaker 8 (02:51:42):
Uh not sucker, I'm gonna be honest with you. Not
somebody that I did a whole lot of homework on.

Speaker 6 (02:51:48):
But I do know who he is. So there's that.
That's all I can give you. Well, I'm just gonna
I'm just gonna say this, and this is meant to
be a compliment. If it's a guy that you hadn't
heard of, we might as well all just pack up
ship and home. He is somebody that I had heard of.

Speaker 8 (02:52:02):
He is somebody that has like you know, Niche Draft
Twitter It kind of really likes Marty map Who a
little bit. I honestly, I think that he's somebody that
a lot of people are like, yeah, maybe he can
play on defense, but like special teams might really be
his home in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (02:52:21):
So this is an interesting pick.

Speaker 8 (02:52:23):
I think he's a pure inside linebacker from what I
can remember of the pick, just to you know, kind
of a Patriots typical type of guy. So, yeah, it's
coming back to me a little bit now I'm reading
his NFL dot Com yeah page.

Speaker 6 (02:52:39):
So he is somebody that was a safety.

Speaker 8 (02:52:41):
I think early on in college and now has converted
to linebacker. He's only two hundred and seventeen pounds, so
he's one of the defensively, I think you could hope
that he would be one of those sort of box
linebacker hybrid type of players, not necessarily somebody that I
projected as being a real, a real contributor on defense.

(02:53:04):
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 7 (02:53:05):
Yeah, the NFL dot Com had him fifth, sixth round.
The Beast has him a little bit closer to what
he is now third fourth round. But yeah, similar kind
of thing. I mean, it's just it seems like another
kind of big safety, right, Yeah, maybe a little.

Speaker 6 (02:53:19):
Bit a little bit taller he's Yeah, I mean, two
hundred and seventeen pounds isn't even really a big.

Speaker 7 (02:53:25):
Safety now, it's a it's a special teamer.

Speaker 6 (02:53:28):
He's a special teams player.

Speaker 2 (02:53:30):
Where's he from?

Speaker 6 (02:53:31):
Sacramento State football? I believe Lonnie Paxton if I'm not
mistaken with Sacramento State.

Speaker 7 (02:53:38):
Yeah, seventy six tackles this last year, just six and
a half tackles for lost, one sack, one forced fumble,
six passes defense, two interceptions.

Speaker 6 (02:53:45):
First team.

Speaker 8 (02:53:46):
I'm not going to judge it, big Skuy, I'm not
talking about this pig.

Speaker 6 (02:53:50):
I don't. I don't know this. I know the player
I have him on, I don't know him.

Speaker 8 (02:53:56):
I just the fact is is that there's good players
still on the board. And look, I understand that the
names we know, it's not it doesn't always end up
being right right. You know, the Dwan Jones is the
Blake Frielans that we were just talking about.

Speaker 6 (02:54:12):
Who knows.

Speaker 8 (02:54:12):
But even at linebacker, there's guys that are still out there,
if I'm not mistaken. You know Trenton Simpson, Deyon Henley
from Washington State, who's that kind of like people compared
him to Fred Warner type of player coming out of college.
Also an undersized athletic linebacker. You know, ESPN didn't have

(02:54:32):
Marty Mapu like that much further down than those guys.
I think that he's probably a fourth round pick, but
they take him here in the third.

Speaker 6 (02:54:41):
I don't know. I just I think there's too much
talent on the.

Speaker 8 (02:54:44):
Board to take a pick like this, especially you have
four fourth round picks, like you have the picks tomorrow
to take this guy. Maybe the league was higher on
him than all of us, but it kind of seems
like this was somebody that they probably could have had
early tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:54:59):
I can't find him in our lads, although I couldn't
find C. J. Stroud.

Speaker 6 (02:55:04):
Well, at least he's in the Beasts.

Speaker 2 (02:55:06):
No, just just I'm joking. Our lads has him as
a safety. They have him in their safety block.

Speaker 6 (02:55:14):
Yeah, he's a box safety.

Speaker 2 (02:55:15):
So I'm wondering if that's how the Patriots drafted him
as a safety.

Speaker 7 (02:55:19):
Yes, and if they wanted, because I got to imagine
that Brian branches about.

Speaker 2 (02:55:24):
Well, he better be better than Nate Ebner in the
third round, you know, Like I would hope that they
drafted him with the hope that he's gonna play safety
and not specialty. I mean, he might play specialties.

Speaker 6 (02:55:36):
I think you can make an argument that he's a safety, sure, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:55:39):
But and then he will play safety on the Patriots.

Speaker 6 (02:55:41):
When you're reading this stuff that Evan just talked about,
lacks short area of athleticism in long speed, yeah, like,
so his man coverage might be limited to tight end
like and.

Speaker 2 (02:55:50):
That's the thing, you know, you talk about all they've
got to replace mccordy. Mccordy had elite speed.

Speaker 6 (02:55:54):
He was one of the fastest guys in the entire league,
his prime elite speed.

Speaker 2 (02:56:00):
NFL drafts, the new England.

Speaker 25 (02:56:04):
Marte linebacker Sacramental State.

Speaker 8 (02:56:09):
By the way, Yeah, the things that I the couple
of things that I remember just from people sharing clips
on Twitter and stuff like that, is that the intrigue
with him was that he's a downhill enforcer type of player.
He can blitz, he can come at the line of scrimmage,
he can run through people. He's a hard, finished tackler.

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I think that maybe if you want to be excited,
like you there, there's a little bit of edge rushing
talent there as well. Like I think he can rush
the passer a tiny bit. I don't know if Landon
Roberts is like the best comp but he's a downhill
player to me, I I wouldn't really trust him too
much to play in space, but he dominated if I

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remember correctly his level of competition.

Speaker 2 (02:56:53):
So I heard people say, you know, you know, maybe
Kyle Duggar would be the replacement for mccordy.

Speaker 6 (02:56:59):
And then quote from Jeremiah.

Speaker 7 (02:57:01):
Sorry to interrupt you, Fred, but Marty, this is Daniel
Jeremiah saying Martin Mapp, who one of my favorite players
in the draft, crap it went away.

Speaker 8 (02:57:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Daniel Jeremiah, I think, you know, is
hitting on some of the things I was just talking
about that he has, that he has some of that
upside to be a playmaker around the line of scrimmage.
I don't necessarily think that he's going to be somebody
that you're going to drop twenty yards off the line
of scrimmage and make plays in coverage.

Speaker 2 (02:57:27):
You know. But like people are saying, oh, Kyle Dougar
could be mccordy's replacement, But if you do that, you
kind of lose his ability to play in the box,
you know. Could it be that maybe this is the
guy they want to play up in the box that
you know, big nickel or whatever you want to call it,
and allow Doug Art to play back a little bit more.
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:57:46):
I mean, I look, I just got to go off
of literally what we just have read and have watched
here the highlights that they're putting up on NFL Network.
But I just the question I'm asking myself is, if
this works out perfectly, what's.

Speaker 6 (02:57:57):
His role this year?

Speaker 7 (02:57:57):
I mean, as much as Evan went on his rant
about how does the second rounder get on the field.
I'm like, how does this guy ever get on the field?

Speaker 9 (02:58:04):
Like?

Speaker 6 (02:58:04):
Is this special team you know? I mean, that's it,
He's a special teams player.

Speaker 2 (02:58:08):
Just to just to.

Speaker 8 (02:58:11):
I tend to lean towards Paul being right about this, honestly,
but just to kind of offer just a little tiny bit,
a little tiny bit as train of thought, a little
tiny tiny bit of hope about this pick. Is that,
how long, deuce have we been clamoring for a linebacker

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that can run a little bit, right, a guy that
can go sideline to sideline, that can cover a little
bit and has some athleticism, And is this He's a
new age linebacker. He's a two pounds inside linebacker. This
is not Juwan Bentley, which I would be I was reading. Okay,
so here's that question before I say so here's the problem.
This is a good, good question, because here's the problem.

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He didn't test because he's hurt. Ye, so there's no combine,
there's no pro day numbers.

Speaker 6 (02:59:02):
He did not test.

Speaker 8 (02:59:02):
On film, he looks like he's got an explosive gear,
but he didn't test, and it's against a lower level
of competition.

Speaker 2 (02:59:09):
But if he is, if he is fast, I mean
we've I've been clamoring for more speed at linebacker, a
sideline to sideline guy. We don't have the Tucker Kraft
just went to Green bayt.

Speaker 8 (02:59:19):
They double dipped, right, Lucas Musgrave or Luke Muskrave.

Speaker 2 (02:59:22):
So if he is a guy that can do that,
but he's not going to do it from inside linebacker
two hundred and seventeen pounds, right, Yeah, he's gonna have
to do it from another part.

Speaker 7 (02:59:32):
I mean usually two hundred and thirty pounds is too
light for them.

Speaker 6 (02:59:34):
No, Like I'm fine with Evans thing. I've been clamoring
this for like a lot of years, Like, give me
an undersize. You've got to be kidding me.

Speaker 2 (02:59:44):
This game is wild. Is a Ruin's game?

Speaker 6 (02:59:46):
Yeah, I mean it's been four goals in the third period. Yeah,
Manty's pissed. I've been clamoring for an undersized, really athletic linebacker.
I just I'm not reading that when I'm reading about him.
And for like Daniel Jeremiah, who I love, I think
he's calling him his favorite player for reasons other than

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his ability. Like it's a Sacramento State hybrid safety linebacker,
like really hard, but he probably like Evan said dominates
at his level of comme. I don't necessarily say he's
like this is like a prototypical NFL player. I just
think he's probably just one of those guys that you
love to root for. Yeah, scrappy, overachiever type. You're going

(03:00:29):
to end up an NFL stark out sid. I mean maybe,
I mean he thinks they got a steal. I mean
we'll see. Like Phil Pett, I don't know who this
guy is.

Speaker 2 (03:00:38):
One NFC linebackers coach on map who from Sacramento State's
big upside will will backer under the radar with huge potential.

Speaker 6 (03:00:48):
Yeah, I mean that's yeah.

Speaker 8 (03:00:49):
But he can run. He can run, he can go
side on his island. I think he can come downhill
and blitz a little bit as well. He there's flashes
of him that are really impressive on tape. I just
think that you have to think about the level of competition,
the injury that that's a big thing. You know, we
don't we don't have any testing numbers.

Speaker 6 (03:01:09):
He weighed in.

Speaker 8 (03:01:09):
I think it wasn't invited at the combine. I think
he waited at his pro day.

Speaker 6 (03:01:14):
It wasn't.

Speaker 8 (03:01:14):
It wasn't on the combine in by lists, which I
think a lot of people at the time thought was
a snub, to be fair, but he wasn't invited to
the combine.

Speaker 2 (03:01:22):
Ben says, I'm so sick of overdrafting players in the draft,
or not drafting consensus guys, or prioritizing special teams Matt
who was not a third round pick anywhere. Three defensive players,
no offensive help, can't wait to lose be lame offensive
performances in a good defense. Unreal, how out of touch

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they seem to be. This is my last year of
patience for BB and the crew.

Speaker 6 (03:01:48):
It is a fair point that it's another deal.

Speaker 8 (03:01:50):
I didn't I was just trying to remember rack my
brain to remember about the player, and I totally blank that.
The fact that it's now three straight.

Speaker 6 (03:01:56):
Defensive I know, like we joke around and you know,
on my show.

Speaker 8 (03:02:01):
Josh Downs just went to the Colts. So obviously the
Colts like Josh Downs in the third round.

Speaker 6 (03:02:05):
Like like, I know, we joke around like with my
shows and like Bill hats mac yep, I mean, like
what are we giving him?

Speaker 2 (03:02:13):
Nothing?

Speaker 7 (03:02:14):
Like, I mean all the receivers are gone, offensive lineman,
who are your receivers next year?

Speaker 6 (03:02:19):
It's it's Taekwan and Juju. Those are your two. I mean,
that's it.

Speaker 7 (03:02:23):
I look and this is like and I feel like
it's kind of fun. How Evan and I have kind
of flipped. Like Evan, I feel like was not you know,
it was a lot more critical last one.

Speaker 6 (03:02:29):
He won't be there next year.

Speaker 2 (03:02:31):
Oh next year?

Speaker 6 (03:02:31):
You mean, my my issue is that.

Speaker 7 (03:02:33):
And we all know now my famous study of pulling
off how many picks that the Patriots have totally whiffed
on in the past four drafts, and a few of
them came in the third round. And I can't help
but look at this pick and say, this guy's never
playing it down for the Patriots, Like that's just my,
that's just my that's my overreaction right now to this.
But I mean, I just I'm as much as we

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get like, oh, we've been longing for this linebacker, Well,
then draft a linebacker like from a big school, like
go get Drew Sanders or something if you really want
like a guy in that kind of old Trent Simpson like,
I don't know. I look, I'll give this guy the
ben out of of the doubt and we'll get out
there and we'll see exactly how they use him, and
maybe he's a diamond in the rough, but you.

Speaker 8 (03:03:15):
Can take the diamond in the rough in the fourth
round and you could have taken Josh Downs in this
spot or any of the tackles that I listed off
before they picked. And look, they have a lot more
information on these guys than I do. Maybe there's concerns
that we don't know about about some of these other
players that we've been talking about. There are a couple
of receivers that are still hanging out there, like a
Tyler Scott, like a Charlie Jones. A caller mentioned at

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Perry Michael Wilson from Stanford, somebody that they had in here.
Not not really my favorite guys in the couple of
other Charlie Jones. But there are still a couple of
receivers I think the most disappointing thing unless they are
gonna just take that flyer that nobody else will on
Darnell Washington and just risk it with whatever injury issue
he's he has right now, it seems like other than

(03:03:58):
him and Zach Kons, they've kind of missed boat on
this tight end class, and that's really disappointed.

Speaker 2 (03:04:02):
We're going to wrap up this show. Let's see the
Patriots have no more picks in the third round. That's
not to say later tonight they don't move back into
the third round, but as of now, no picks in
the third We'll be back tomorrow at two o'clock two
to four tomorrow, So anything that happens between now and then,
obviously we'll have a chance to talk about it tomorrow.

(03:04:23):
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