Patriots Unfiltered 4/29: NFL Draft Day 3

Tune-in as we offer coverage of Day 3 of of the 2023 NFL Draft. We discuss the Patriots selections of C Jake Andrews, K Chad Ryland and G Side Sow in the fourth round, G Atonio Mafi in the fifth round and WR Kayshon Boutte in the sixth round.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to the twenty twenty three Patriots Unfiltered Draft Show
presented by Aristocrat Gaming.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Is your worth moving up?

Speaker 4 (00:20):
For?

Speaker 5 (00:20):
They kind of are? And he moved my needle a
little more.

Speaker 6 (00:25):
You keep your needle, work your lighthouse. Your lighthouse get bigger.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
With this draft. My lighthouse just keeps getting bigger. I
don't know the Patriots set to take linebacker Marty Mapook.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Okay, I don't know that.

Speaker 6 (00:36):
Joe says. Evan is doing a great job. He seems
to be on another level of expertise. His nonsense could
use a little word, a little too professional. Can we
fight about tides or something?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I was told Sasta couldn't score goals?

Speaker 7 (00:49):
That's your show is that's ridiculous? No one ever says
he can't. A guy with sixty goals can't score a goal?
Where where is he?

Speaker 8 (00:58):
Well?

Speaker 7 (00:58):
Where is he?

Speaker 6 (00:58):
Ben?

Speaker 7 (00:59):
He's had a terrible scene. Are they're supposed to pretend
he's played?

Speaker 6 (01:01):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:02):
Now you're just making crap up? Sixty goals can't score?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, your show said that you're a very defensive brand.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
My god, this is the twenty twenty three Patriots Unfiltered
Draft Show presented by Aristocrat Gaming.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, the twenty twenty three
Draft Extravaganza. It's day three. We're alive at Gillette Stadium.
It's me. It's Mike Dussau, Evan Lazarre, Paul Pirillo, Matt
Lapan and Matt Morrell and the booth. And we'll be
here for two hours until four o'clock Eastern time, catching
you up with everything that the Patriots have done since

(01:38):
we signed off last night and what they're doing today. Uh,
and we do have some picks made today in the
fourth and fifth round. So who wants to be the well,
the bearer of good news.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
I mean, I'll set it up for maybe Evan, but
I think everybody would be happy. They've addressed the offense
today a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
That's that's a Joe cram, just like they're.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
It was a Joe I'll do it. I'll do it.
So they grabbed a couple offensive linemen, Jake Andrews the center,
and then they grabbed the kicker as well, Chad Ryland
one twelve and City soo was the other offensive lineman
a guard. So I mean, I do think that they
needed some interior depth. And then I'm gonna preface this
with you know, I know everybody was longing for tight
ends and wide receivers and I'm right with you, and

(02:20):
even maybe tackles. But I do think it's worth saying
that they didn't really have any depth behind their interior
offensive line. So I look, we can talk about was
this the right time for these guys, and YadA, YadA, YadA,
but I do think a little bit of a need.

Speaker 6 (02:32):
Yeah, are you surprised in the fourth round they picked
a kicker place kicker?

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Not really. That's the only thing that didn't surprise me
about their fourth round is that they took a kicker.
I'm gonna go the other way, Mike. I canna allow
you to spend the positive side of it barely. This
fourth round is quite frankly, it's a major disappointment. I'm
gonna put it to people that way. It's a major disappointment.

(02:58):
We can prepare a year or two ahead at center
and guard, but god forbid, we prepare for right now
at any position on the offensive side of the ball.
Not a single one of these players that they drafted
in the fourth round is gonna help the twenty twenty
three offense. And if they have to help the twenty
twenty three offense, then somebody got hurt that you don't
want getting hurt. That means that David Andrews or Mike

(03:19):
on Wenu or Cole Strange is not in the lineup
for some reason. So these guys that they've drafted, I
there's things to like about both players City Sow and
Jake Andrews, but where is the help in the for
twenty twenty three? And if your reasoning is the reasoning
that Bill Belichick gave us last night, which is that
our additions in free agency were on offense, your additions

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in free agency that were on offense don't scare anybody.
Nobody's staying up at night thinking about Juju Smith Schuster.
So the additions that they've made on offense in the
draft are for twenty twenty four and beyond. They have
nothing to do with this season. And they're still, for
some reason, allergic to drafting a pass catcher. If you're
gonna draft lineman, fine, at least have to tackle because
that guy might actually be able to beat somebody out

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and play this year. But they didn't even do that.
They went in the interior of the offensive line. It's
overly frustrating. I've been wrapping my head around day two,
sold on some of the things that they did yesterday,
maybe a little bit more than I was and we
were on air, but this just put me right back
down to the dumps.

Speaker 7 (04:21):
Now.

Speaker 6 (04:21):
I hear what you're saying day two. I like what
they did Day two. I think they tried to move
up to get a tackle on Day two and they
couldn't do it. So I think where they settled. I
think those three guys possibly can help the team in
twenty twenty three, the first three guys that they've picked.

(04:44):
So I like what they've done the first two days.
Today is just you know, it's just whatever.

Speaker 7 (04:52):
Yeah, I just want to mention that I believe the
Patriots are actually on the club.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
Yeah, the Patriots Jets just picked. So the Patriots with
the tenth pick in the fifth round.

Speaker 7 (05:02):
The only fifth round pick to their scheduled to have
right now. Now they have a bunch of sitting round hunter. Yeah,
they do have a bunch of sixth rounders, so maybe
there's a you know, a slide up and you get
another pick in the fifth round somewhere here. But I would,
you know, maybe not as strongly as Evan put it,
but I would share his disappointment. I don't think. I don't.
I don't think much was done to help the current

(05:23):
team beyond really Christian McCaffrey and to a lesser extent,
key On White, I think that I mean Christian Gonzales.
I'm sorry, Christian Gonzalees. What happened that news Christian Gonzalez,
I my apologize, but in key On White, but I
think the the other kid, uh Maphu, to me is

(05:45):
a big time projection. I don't see that being a
big part of the team. And then nothing in the
fourth round beyond the kicker. And I agree with Evan
that it's not surprising that they took a kicker, but
to trade up for a kicker, to me and the
second kicker at that.

Speaker 5 (06:03):
The kicker was the best pick of the round.

Speaker 7 (06:05):
I just, I mean, I just I don't really, you know,
I don't really get it.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I just the Patriots I wanted to see.

Speaker 7 (06:12):
I wanted to see at least some help on offense,
and like Evan said, that the players they took on
offense aren't going to be helpful in twenty three.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Yeah, like I said, I think they I'm pretty sure
they did try to move up to get a tackle
and it didn't work out.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Okay, But but can we not let them off the
hook for that? Because if they wouldn't let go of
the one hundred and eighty fourth pick in the draft
to make it work out so they can go get
a tackle that might actually be able to start next
year for this team, then I'm sorry, I'm not going
to let them off the hook for that. Like that,
we can do it. I know you can't include a
sixth round picking the deal to get it done or
to get it over the hump. I don't understand how

(06:52):
that that. How did you not.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Get it done?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Was there no trade partner or did you just not
want to give up what they were ask.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
I don't know why, Like you said, were they not
willing to give up what it took, or you know
who they were talking to wasn't willing to make a
trade just period. So I don't know, but I do
I'm pretty sure there was an effort to move up,
but and it didn't work out that said, like I said,
I think days one and two, I think they got

(07:22):
three guys that I know you don't think Mapu. I
think I think they think he's going to be able
to contribute.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Think that yeah.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
With his versatility, I think that in today's NFL he
has a role.

Speaker 7 (07:36):
I think that's special.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
I don't want to jump into this right as they
make Oh I like that pick. Actually yeah, no, this
is that's a good pick.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
So what's doing here?

Speaker 6 (07:47):
Roy?

Speaker 7 (07:48):
That's not who the pay.

Speaker 9 (07:51):
Was?

Speaker 5 (07:51):
A tribal guy.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
A really good week at the Shrine Bowl. On the
Patriots side of things, another guard problem. But you just
took to Now we're taking three interior offensive linemen, three interior.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
First round or last year, and you have Michael and
who might be and Mafia's best player on your team.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Mafi is the best one out of all the three
that they've taken, and I think that he's somebody that
could actually start for you down the line. But why,
what are they what is wrong with this with taking
a pass catcher or a tackle Like, I just don't
understand where what the plan is with any of these guys.
If you take three interior offensive lineman, the fourth and
fifth round. At least one of these guys isn't even

(08:30):
making the team now, like how many of them are
going to carry on the on the roster. You already
have what four or five tackles that you're thinking of
carrying on the roster because of the guys they added
in free agency.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
So I just, I mean, I'm beside it. It seems
that Michael, and when you's gone right like this, this,
I mean, why would you resign him now at this point?
I mean that's a development you know?

Speaker 7 (08:50):
Maybe yeah, and there is he was a Shrine Bowl guy, right?
Did you just mention?

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Maybe maybe you're right, Mike.

Speaker 7 (08:58):
Maybe they've already sort of sat down with Michael owen
U and they've already in their mind saying, well, we're
not going to design this guy. Yeah, And in some
ways I would respect that because it wouldn't be repeating
what I think was an error from about three or
four years ago when you invested all that money in
Shack Mason and Joe Toney, two really really good players,

(09:19):
Tony and Mason, really really good players. But you'd like
to think you wouldn't have to invest that kind of
capital in your your two guards. And maybe they've looked
out of that and said we don't want to go
down that road again. I don't know, Like I kind
of agree with Evans's point though, like why can't you
have like an extra tight end who might actually get

(09:42):
on the field. It's just, you know, not not due
to injury. He might get on the field because he's
just warrants playing time as opposed to you know, fourth
and fifth round interior offensive lineman's that in a perfect
world won't mean some of these guys won't even be
on the roster. They'll be practice squad guys.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Then that's where're at. And I mean they still got
five more picks to go. I just I mean to
point out what I said before we went on the air.
I mean, you look at twenty twenty four, there's no
starting left tackle, starting right guards, starting right tackle. You're
gonna lose both tight ends. I mean their contracts are up,
and the only receivers on a contractor Thornton and Smith Schuster.
So I mean those are just you know, you talk
about having being forced now to have to go get

(10:20):
guys at certain positions because you're not stocking them long term.
That's multiple very important positions that have no real long
term plan. They're just kind of empty right.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
Now and for the after and for twenty three. You're
now saying that Connor McDermott, Riley Reef, Calvin Anderson or Yadneykadus,
is that one of them, one of those guys is
going to be a start.

Speaker 5 (10:39):
And the other one is probably the third tackle and
who's probably gonna block because.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
End and the other guy is gonna play.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (10:44):
Yeah, two of those four are gonna be I would
say key members of your offensive line, because that sixth
offensive lineman is usually a swing tackle. That's generally an
important spot, yep. Because you don't have a lot of
teams that go wire to wire with five guys.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Really well, hey, let me tough.

Speaker 7 (11:02):
That's asking a lot.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I think, I just don't I guess my my whole
thing to calmly say it now rationally, why is it
okay to prepare your head in all walks of life
at the interior offensive line positions? Now, you've got three
guys to prepare your head, But we can't prepare your
head at receiver or tight end or tackle like you can't.

(11:27):
So you see that you have a need down the
line at those positions, but the other positions don't matter
when you've made now four picks in this range of
the draft. So I just, I guess I just don't
understand like that. If you're using that school of thought
that these guys are here to potentially replace people in
twenty twenty four and beyond, then how does that not

(11:47):
apply to the other positions on the roster When you
have Hunter Henry and Mike Koseki are under contract just
for this season and you still haven't drafted tight end.
You mentioned that they only have what two receivers under
contract if for twenty twenty four, So where's the depth there?

Speaker 6 (12:03):
Where?

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Where is the guys under contract there? Because now we
got six interior offensive linemen that we have under contract.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
So I was just I'm sorry, Mike. And this is
a year after they took a couple of offensive linemen
at you know, late in the draft for the same reason. Yeah,
you know, guys like Chasing Hines.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
How many super interior offensive line over the last three years.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
I mean, this is something they've done a lot of
and haven't been overly successful lately. They have some real hits,
you know, like Jack Mason was a fourth round pick
once upon a time. You know, Ted Karris was a
sixth round pick once upon a time. But they've had, ay,
every team drafts backup potential backup offensive lineman in Day three.

(12:44):
But they've done it a lot, and I don't think
that they've hit on as many as people think. Yeah,
based on what I'm reading on Twitter, and I think.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
Before today started, I kind of came to peace with that.
I just didn't think that they were going to be
able to get any offensive weapon type player that could
contribute this year. And you know, so in a way,
it's like, all right, it seems like maybe their philosophy
is that we're just gonna surround Mac with vets and
try to try to do it that way. But when
you look at it through that prism of twenty twenty four,

(13:14):
and you're saying, all right, so now you're telling me,
if Thornton doesn't have a great year and Schuster doesn't
have a great year, you're probably gonna have to start
over at the receiver position for Mac. Like you're gonna
have to like go out there. I mean, I think
everybody could could agree with you must have just start
over at the quarterback position because your quarterback might not
play well enough to sell yourself on him for another year.
But but but, like just to push back a little

(13:35):
bit on that, was there anybody they were going to
take in the last two hours that was gonna change that?
You know, Like I think that ship out of sales
by the time we got here today. You know, I
totally get the point, but not to me. I just
think everybody's ship is not Mac a guy that like
he can grow with. And it just it feels like
the guy he loved most, Jacoby Myers, is gone. It's
hard for him. It's just it's hard to like provide

(13:57):
some kind of continuity for him to say, all right,
this guy's gonna be here.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, and I the ship is sailed on terms of
game changer, explosive, three level guys. But you just mentioned
Jacoby Myers. There is a slew of Jacoby myers is
that are either still on the board or were on
the board at the time that they've made these last
couple of picks. I've been patting the table for a
guy like Charlie Jones, who went to Cincinnati Shocker. You know,

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team that knows good wide receivers took Charlie Jones that
that's a player that I think could come in here.
They are envisioning him as somebody that replaced Tyler Boyd
in the slot, as an inside guy that would have
came in here and done the same thing in New England.
So I think there are still guys out there that
can do that. Fred, your guy Bryce Ford Wheaton is
now near the top of the board in terms of

(14:43):
athleticism and upside. He certainly has it. But I don't
want to hear that they that you, oh, there's nobody
there anymore, Like, No, that's not true. There are guys
there and you throw the name in the hat on
saying any of them are going to come in and
be day one starters for your team. But they're guys
that have talent, that have skill sets that it can
be NFL players and you throw them in on in

(15:05):
training camp and see what you get out of him.
You still got to take guys even though you know
they're not necessarily going to be day one game changing
impact players. Do you think do you think it's possible?

Speaker 5 (15:15):
And when you goes back to right tackle, because that
almost seems to make more sense than any of all
of this it's just a log jam at guard.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
It's good, don't It's a good outside the box though.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
It's a good thought, ye something to say?

Speaker 5 (15:26):
Do you like that that idea? I don't really care
because I just don't think any of like me.

Speaker 7 (15:32):
I feel I feel better about one of that group
of tackles playing right tackle, then these guys plugging in
and playing left guard.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Right guy right right right. A rookie fifth rounder is
not going to do it on when you did. I
mean you might be lucky to find that.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
Now the uh what's it? Mafi Antonio Mafi right? Yes,
he's a uh a Sarah High School graduate? Oh all right,
Sarah High School? Sure, so what could go wrong? Also
serious rugby player. From what I'm reading on the Twitter machine,
they bill just can't help.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
They got a type. They got a type that tackle
to These guys are all built like on one you
you know, they're all just like six to three and
a square.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
That's different.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I actually really like it too, Mafe.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
Everything I've read about him, this is exactly where everybody
thought he should be drafted. So that makes me.

Speaker 6 (16:18):
Like the pick. I know.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
I actually really liked him in Vegas too.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I thought he was one of the best offensive lineman
at the Shrine Bowl when Alex and I were out there,
I just didn't need the other two guys on top
of it, like you know, he just yeah, just take
I understand, take one or two of them, don't take three.
I mean it. It doesn't need to be like this,
Like he's the best one out of the group, I think.

Speaker 7 (16:37):
And someone you think about right tackle there, dude, somebody's listening.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Someone's listening, nothing like playing.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
Well, they're going to upright that.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
I mean, I guess they were going to try to
throw it all at the wall here. Apparently on the
offensive line. It really does have to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Let's get a bunch of fifth round picks and see
if we can keep him. No, I'm just kidding. I
just odd odd.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
I just wanted to to go back though for a second,
because because last night I did kind of jump more
into the two guys that they took yesterday. And I
have to say that.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
You actually had a chance to meet them.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I did.

Speaker 5 (17:08):
I did, and and I don't want anyone to think.
I know it's my thing that when I meet a
guy and he's nice to me, that I like them.
All of a sudden But but I will say I
I really kind of like this Mampu kid. And I
think what Paul said is right. He's an FCS kid
and it's like with Dugger. But I just he's fun
to watch. He's fun to watch. He's super athletic, he's
super aggressive. He seems like he's completely obsessed with football.

(17:31):
Is he redundant? Maybe a little bit, But if I
can see why they like him, and I'm a little
bit intrigued, where.

Speaker 7 (17:38):
Are you playing it?

Speaker 4 (17:39):
On?

Speaker 6 (17:39):
Playing him?

Speaker 5 (17:40):
Maybe linebacker?

Speaker 6 (17:41):
I don't think.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
I don't think he's redundant. Then I don't think they
have that kind of player. And that's the question.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
That's what question, Paul. I think they look at him
and think he's got the tools to be We want
to be versatile, we want to be multiple on defense,
and this is the kind of guy that allows us
to do that.

Speaker 7 (17:58):
Yeah, I mean, I just don't think he's like it's
I mean, based on the projections, I don't think he's
that good.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
It's it's it's totally reasonable to say, you know, he's
a small school kid and this is a big jump,
and to think that he's going to be anything close
to the player he was in the FCS to hear
it might be a stretch, but I mean, I know,
I know Evan has similar thoughts of just that idea
of him, and we talked about it so much, you know,
And and he's just like I used to say all

(18:24):
the time, like this is a place for football nerds,
Like if you're obsessed with football, this is the place
for you.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
If that's all.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
And you heard him last night, that's what he is.
So I'm just intrigued by him. As for Keon White,
I wanted to go in being like, all right, I
get it now, and and to some extent I do.
I feel like if in success, he's a big, movable
piece on the front of the line that's going to
be more athletic than like a Lawrence guy, maybe a
little bit more powerful than Tetrich wise, But what I

(18:50):
didn't quite see was just those flashes of dominant power
where you're like, oh, boy, this is because he looks
the part. You look at his face and you're like,
this guy looks like he should be messing guys up
on the offensive line. And a lot of times I
felt like ball would have been out. You know, he
bull rushes this guy, but it takes four seconds to
actually get there, so not quite as like swinging.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
I think this is great to trumpet it, but I
think that there possibly could be something there with Mapoo
if he can make the jump.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah. I didn't even bother watching Mapoo at Sacramento State
because quite frankly, I don't really care what he did
at Sacramento State. But his film at the Senior Bowl
was fantastic, and I think the things that you notice
about him, we were talking about it on the way
down here, Deuce is just he's got those little, quick twitch,
explosive movements where when he moves you can just see
it kind of suddenly changing directions and clicking into things.

(19:37):
He's got great closing bursts going downhill as well. He
made a couple plays at the Senior Bowl, one where
it's a lead play with the full back and he
just takes out the full back. He just goes right
downhill at the full back and blows up the entire
play by taking out the full back. And then you
have some real athleticism and change of direction ability and
coverage as well. He's a linebacker. He's a second level player,

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and I think the only concerns that I have about
him are one that the peck like that's gonna be
a thing that is gonna plague him his rookie season
in terms of development. Is he going to be able
to absorb enough information to contribute in twenty twenty three
if he doesn't start camp right away.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
The other thing is it's them.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Are they going to play a two hundred and twenty
pound linebacker a lot like? Is he going to be
somebody that they are going to be willing to take
a Jalani to vie off the field and put a
two hundred and twenty pound linebacker on the field. I
am not convinced that they will do that yet until
I see it. If they I see what they see
in Mapu, I see what every A lot of people,

(20:38):
you know, Daniel Jeremiah, smart people than me, have said
this kid is a diamond in the rough. They really
found something here with Mapu, and I agree. But is
Bill a type of coach that's going to put that
skill set?

Speaker 6 (20:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:52):
On first down?

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Bill was you know, he talked last night and we
should probably talk about that a little later too. His
comments last tonight, but you know he mentioned, you know,
he was asked about, you know, where do you play
this guy? And you know, Bill said, you know, he's
already thinking ahead, and he's you know, it just depends
on the opponent in the matchup. And I, like I said,
I I do think that there are certain situations and

(21:13):
these guy's not going to be on the field all
the time, that he can help this team this year
on defense, not just special teams. Paul, you know, against
certain opponents and in certain situations.

Speaker 7 (21:25):
I think you're arguing with me. I'm not really arguing.
I have no doubt that they think that.

Speaker 6 (21:28):
No, but every time I said that, he said, yeah,
that's special teams.

Speaker 7 (21:30):
That's what I think he'll be. I know, but but
I don't think that they drafted a guy in the
third round that they think is going to be a
special team So I hope not.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
I think they think he can fill a role on defense.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
I think I would fill a role on defense based
off of what he did at the Senior Bowl. But
what role is that to them?

Speaker 7 (21:45):
They've got the Johns, not any man there as big
on the Senior Bowl as they are, Let's just put
it that way.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
What role is that to them?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
With a guy like Mac Wilson comes in here last
year and he had inconsistencies in the same way that
I think MAPU will in their system. Map Who's one
big thing, even at the Senior Bowl, is that he's
a little bit raw in terms of his ability to
diagnose plays. He sometimes gets pulled out of the out
of a you know, passing lanes, or is a step late.

(22:12):
But he's quick and fastened so he can recover quickly.
But to them it's you know, like what we saw
last year with Mack Wilson, with Lamar Jackson, right, they
put him in a blender and he didn't know where
he was going and then we never see him again.

Speaker 6 (22:25):
See that's where like that kind of worries me. The
slow to diagnose, because I think in my mind, where
he helps you is to be that key reader out
there that he can adjust what he sees and you know,
get to the play quick quickly, whether it's pass run
you know, whether the Patriots are in zon or man

(22:45):
you know. And but he has to be that guy
in the field that covers a lot of ground quickly.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
He's the opposite. His his ability is that once he
clicks in, he's shot out of a can into the football,
but it seemed like it took him a couple of seconds. Now, granted,
at jumping speed at the Senior Bowl, you're thrown right
into a brand new defensive system. To you, you're you're
not studying the offense coming into the into the week
that you know what you know their keys are, what

(23:13):
their lineman do and play action and things like that.
So maybe with that coaching behind the scenes they can
help them out in that regard. But the other thing
that you know stood out was there was one rep
or where John Michael Schmid's the center from Minnesota, I
think got drafted last night to screen pass and he
runs them over. And I'm just thinking to myself, if

(23:34):
he gets run over in practice by David Andrews or
Mike on Winno on a screen, they're gonna sit his
butt on the bench. They're gonna say, no, we can't
do this. We can't have a guy that's gonna get
run over in the open field because we're the Patriots
and we like linebackers that are take on guys Juwan Bentley,
Landon Roberts like, that's our skill set, that's not Mapu's

(23:54):
skill set. So I love the player. I actually really am.
Out of all the players that they've picked, he's thrown
on me the most since they've picked him. But the
question is is are they going to Are they going
to conform. They've conformed in the draft by taking a
player like this, but are they gonna conform on the field?

Speaker 6 (24:10):
And I wonder, you know what Gerard Mayo's role will
be with this guy? You know, because Gerard Mayo, we
all know, he was one of the smarter guys out there.
You know. Uh, they called him Little Bill. He loved
to watch film. You know, will one of his jobs
this year be to help this guy adjust to the
NFL and learn the defense and to make him a quicker,

(24:32):
you know, quicker out there mentally.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
I mean, it's a great question. I mean, and that's
you know, I wish we had a chance to talk
to Gerald. We talked to him yesterday or two days ago.
I've lost track at this point. You know, I'm sure
that will be I I just think it's a big
jump to go from Sacramento State to the Senior Bowl.
You're not getting the coach those guys, so he's gonna
I mean, I think all everything Evan said is is
you know, not all that shocking for a player, you know,

(24:57):
to make that jump. Can he can he take the coaching.
The other point I would just make is, you know,
are the Patriots willing to sacrifice some of that physicality
for some speed and at a certain point, Hey, maybe
he's gonna get run over by a center, but maybe
he's also gonna get Lamar Jackson and beat him to
you know, to the corner and be able to yelling.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
They need more speed, they need more His ability to
go downhill to either to run through a blocker or
run through the ball carrier is legit. This guy can
finish on the football. So I really like his game.
And I think the main thing is is that he's explosive.
He's an explosive linebacker. But he's a linebacker. He's not
a safety. I don't want him playing the deep part

(25:35):
of the field that he doesn't have that kind of
a straight line speed. But in terms of that just
what you need to be a linebacker in that phone
booth to make guys miss and then go ahead and
shoot out of the cannon and get the football. He's
got that skill.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
I think maybe we also, I think we underplayed a
little bit Keon White. I think this guy is, you know,
nasty smart. I think I think he's another guy that
in this defense where you know, the more you can do.
They like versatile guys no matter where they are. He's

(26:11):
gonna be able to play a few positions up front
at at a fairly high level.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think too. And I made the
point last night, I brought up tight end, and I
think I think it was kind of mistook. It's just
that I think he's a little bit more new to
this side of the ball, and so I do think
that there is a little bit of a learning curve.
I just don't really know what to expect. He checks
a lot of boxes physically, versatility, the mean look on
his face that just comes as advertised. I mean, he
just looks like the guy you want coming off the

(26:37):
bus first. How's it all going to translate to the pros?
I just I don't know. I mean, it could go
kind of anyway for me. There's a lot of traits
to like I just don't see, like the overwhelming consistent
power that that is, you know, jumps off to the
tape when you put it on of him.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
That's exactly how I felt watching him the first time
and the second time even before they drafted him, is
it just doesn't pop. It's just not I don't see
anything that's like, oh my goodness, this guy's does this
and it's so good.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
But he's a solid, well rounded player. I think that
has a lot of athletic upside. I think I maybe
understold his his upside. I didn't realize how well he
actually tested at the combine. He tested extremely well for
a defensive lineman. And he does have some upside there
in terms of if he can learn technique, And he
talked about that last night when when the reporters had

(27:26):
him that you know, he is pretty raw still, you know,
in terms of technique and pass rush plan and diagnosing
things and things like that. So maybe they feel like
he just needs some seasoning and then they can maybe
get a little bit more out of him in terms
of splash.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, he doesn't, I mean, and he seems he seems
like a sharp guy too. The other thing, I mean,
he's not Trayvon Walker. Travon Walker was a freak with
freak measurables. But like I just I see him similar
like dreams of what Trayvon Walker would be in this
defense of you know, he would be like a b
version of that potentially like that kind.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
I think the biggest a Walker, Trayvon Walker, was loose.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
He was like six inch on. I mean, he was
a freak.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
He's a flexible guy. This this The biggest thing about
Keon White to me is that he's a linear athlete.
He's stiff like he's he's a downhill player. He's not
somebody that you want moving side to side. If you
have him, you pin his ears back and run through
the pocket.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
He can do that.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
But if you're asking him to dance out there or
you know, be josh Uja and throw a bunch of
different moves on a guy and go around him, that's
just not really his game.

Speaker 7 (28:30):
I thought last night when we talked about White, I
mean I thought we all sort of agreed that we
thought he was a good player. Yeah, I just didn't
know if we understood necessarily the need for the fit.
And we talked a little bit about Dietrich Wise and
you know, Fred had mentioned that he fell off a
little bit. You know, I think that's the kind of player.
But I think he can play. Yeah, I think he's

(28:50):
a good player. I think, yeah, you know it's exactly
where you know, most of the prognosticators, not that they
know it's exactly where that they had them slated. I
like the player. I'm just not sure how much they
needed that.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
All Right, we're gonna take a break. When we come back,
get to your phone calls and emails, and we'll also
talk a little bit about what Bill had to say
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Speaker 6 (30:25):
Right back here, Patriots Unfiltered. The Draft extravaganza will be
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Speaker 7 (30:37):
NF cameras were on.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
Yeah, oh yeah, well you.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
Wear your Sunday's best.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (30:41):
No, I didn't care about that, but this way address
every day. But I didn't realize that they were on.
I hope I didn't make any you know, nose pickings.
Well that eye rolls, no more like obscene gestures. Okay,
you know, get in trouble with team analysts.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
Nate writes, since so looking through the lens of look
at what they do, not what they say. We are
going to use a committee approach to receiver. I don't
love it, but if we're dinking and dunking, we just
need guys to catch the ball and find soft spots.
We still want to have a run first offense, even
with Billy Oh being here making interior line depth a
little bit more important. BB wants to see if mat

(31:18):
can lift the talent around him like Brady did, to
see if he wants to move on. I don't think
it's fair, but I think his philosophy is just throwing
him in the deep end instead of teaching him to swim.
Defense is gonna be fine. It was fine last year.
I love the secondary as is. They make plays and
Bill will make sure he causes chaos for opposing offenses.

(31:39):
We got a guy similar to Judon, Kean White getting
in to get some new tools from Judon, which I
like a lot. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 7 (31:46):
I don't think there's atween.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
They have a very pliable defense in terms of formation.
I think they like to have a lot of options
depending on what the other team shows. I think if
we use the draft to phill holes, not give the
team a higher Madden rate. That's just how Bill seems
to draft. Not exciting, But in Bill, we trust.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Okay, I can't believe.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
I can't believe we're still doing that.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
Can I ask a question? And this is a legit question,
and this is not Paul snark, Why, if you're a
running team, is the need for depth in the interior
offensive line more important?

Speaker 5 (32:18):
You got to make sure you can run the ball.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
I've got to have some guards that can pull.

Speaker 7 (32:22):
Backup, backup guard, right, he said, depth of interior offensive line?
Why is because because I gotta tell you, if I
want to drop back forty five or fifty times, I
want to make sure I have depth at my offensive
line just as much as I if I want to
run it thirty five or forty.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I actually his point about receivers by committee, I don't
necessarily see it that way. I personally think that they
are really banking on a year or two jump from
Taekwon Thornton, and then also that they really feel like
Juju Smith Schuster is a significant upgrade over Jacoby Myers. Again,
we all think I doubt that they think that. We

(32:57):
all think it's marginal. I think that he's a better player,
but marginally better. I think they might think that Juju
is in a different tier that I.

Speaker 7 (33:04):
Think they got mad at Jakobe Myers last year. And
I'm dead serious when I say that. I think they
got mad and they got emotional, and that's impossible. I
think it's simple as that they're talking themselves into this
massive upgrade.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
And Taekwon.

Speaker 7 (33:17):
Now, the Thornton thing, I understand, like that's a second
round pick. Last year, he gets hurt, you know, in
the preseason, gets off to a little bit of a
slow start, never really found his footing. They probably feel
like there's there's some growth there and I can understand that. Yeah,
to me, Juju Smith Schuster is what he is at
this stage of his NFL career, fair like what he
is is what he is.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
But the upside in that room is Taekwon, right like that,
because you're not adding upside in the draft.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
So I think I might have said it to you
guys off air about that, like you know, next year,
this time, you're going to think a lot differently of Taekwon.
It may be a lot better or it might be
a lot worse.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
When I when I was doing some stuff on Billy
Oh when when they brought him back, the immedia thing
that I thought about with Taekwon was, Okay, he's not
as good. But Jamison Williams at Alabama two years ago.
They they're built very, very similarly, and they both have
ridiculous speed. And you're just watching the way that Bill
O'Brien was able to get Jamison Williams off the line

(34:17):
of scrimmage and get him away from contact and just
allow him to outrun people all over the field. You
got to think that they're both six foot one, they're
both not exactly big guys in terms of their frames,
and they both can fly. So even though I think
Jamison Williams is a much better player than Taekwon Thornton,
I think that you can at least have some overlapping
roles and how they're used. And that did get me

(34:40):
a little bit excited about how like, I don't think
it's silly to be to be bullish taw Thorton, no.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
But to be but to be fair, I don't think
we really saw much out of him last year to
get we decided you know, maybe maybe you know in
camp there were there were a couple of catches. You know, hey,
he's pretty good actually, you know, tracking the ball and
and you know, spacing and getting it over the shoulder.
But that was kind of you never really saw the
speed on.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
One game was a good game for him, but he
had a lot of drops. I just remember going over
the middle in Minnesota and just dropping that he hears footsteps.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Yeah, you know, And I mean, and it's worth wondering
what's Billy a gonna do with him? You know, what's
an experienced offensive coordinator going to say that sort.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
He won't send him on shallow crosses. So you can
get light.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
But that's sort of my point is that the system
that he was in last year, there's no way unless
you were justin Jefferson Good that you were probably going
to succeed as a rookie wide receiver in that system.
And now you're getting put in not only just a sophisticated,
real NFL system, but you're also with the coach that's
had players of your ilk before. I mean, some people

(35:43):
have gone back to like Will Fuller with the Texans
right and looked at how Bill O'Brien schemed him open,
So maybe they can get some opportunities for Taekwon down
the field. But the one time I remember that he
did get open, he dropped the pass. It was I
think it was against down the field, Sincinnattie or Miami.

Speaker 7 (35:59):
It was late season.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Yeah, yeah, they in the season or not. I'm not
going to say who it was. But I was in
the locker room and I said, uh, oh, you know,
we're trying to get you, get you loose right in
the open field of Taekwon, And somebody on the Patriots said, well,
we did, but he dropped the ball and I was
just like yikes, Like man, you know, even your you
own teammates saying stuff like that. So I think that

(36:21):
there was a lot of pressure on him last year
to break out, and he really wasn't putting an opportunity
to be able to do that.

Speaker 6 (36:28):
Vincent and Wilmington, North Carolina, we are watching Bill and
the success of the Patriots whither away. One special teams
player or guard at a time.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
Don't ever change Patriots. It's like back goes, back to
back emails. Say everything you need to.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Try, I do it. In today's NFL, the goal should
be to average twenty seven offensive points a game, which
translates to a top ten offense. The Patriots have the
worst offense in the division. How can it not be
a higher priority. The defense will cushion the embarrassment but
won't win games. I no longer trust in the husk
of thank you Tom Brady for the Super Bowls. Wow.

Speaker 7 (37:04):
Yeah, I don't think it's quite I don't think it
was quite as positive as the previous one. I don't
think it's anywhere near as bad as that. Right, I
respect it though, like some people just have strong opinions
and throw them out there. I think that's great, and
I'm serious sports, So what's about. It's supposed to be fun,
supposed to listen.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
That's emotion and it's just sports. Let's go to the
ACE ticket hotline eight five five pass five hundred. We'll
start with Eldred, who says he's mad as hell? What's up? Aldred?

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Oh boy, give it to me Aldred?

Speaker 12 (37:36):
All right, Hey, Avon, I agree with you. Under their
first picky t is the hell.

Speaker 8 (37:40):
Out of us back to field. I know y'all can't
say it because y'all cover the team, but that dinosaur
speaking GM need to be out.

Speaker 12 (37:51):
I mean out. I mean if every other team in
GM to add to the offense even though they got
good weapons, ads more, why can't he see it? This
is not nineteen eighty nineteen ninety. And then, like I said,
if it been for Brady, it's been. He's been another
Brown season.

Speaker 8 (38:07):
He's been out in three years.

Speaker 12 (38:09):
And I mean that that's this is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Okay, It's a great point of excelge adding offensive talent
even when you already have offensive talent, because a lot
of teams did that over the last couple of days.
Just his guy, Quinton Johnson goes to a team that
already has Mike Williams and Keenan Allen on the roster.
Zave Flowers goes to Baltimore, which Odell is still there.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Tim Bateman, h.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Josh Palmer is still there promising Jordan Addison with Justin
Jefferson Paired with Justin Jefferson. I mentioned Charlie Jones gets
drafted by the Bengals when they already have their Plethoro
talent at receivers. So all these other teams they got
receivers up the wazoo, and they're still taking receivers even
in a bad receiver drafts.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
Good point. Let's go to Willem and Phillham. What's up William.

Speaker 12 (38:57):
Great?

Speaker 6 (38:58):
How you doing all right? All right?

Speaker 13 (39:02):
Where I'm trying not to cuss and be pissed off
with this game. I swear, okay, uh, let me get
it again because Mike, like I was laughing like to
see like I'm Julie, We're not. No, I'm really pissed
off seriously, So I'll just start with this. This is
I don't care about the linebackers or I don't care

(39:23):
about what the Patriot did back in the past with
guards and tackles. I don't care where's mac Jones' weapons
at man, like where as and where's where's that trade?
Uh of Jerry Judy or or brand a uk or
something like what is Bill doing on defense? And what
and punters and and and guards?

Speaker 14 (39:42):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Seriously?

Speaker 13 (39:45):
Like I'm ready to be an Eagle fan. You just
see what they just did over it. They got all
Georgia bulldog and touch that I gotten DeAndre swiped seriously
and it still And what last year when they went
and got well ah Brown, I mean last year year
before last. I'm daring, Like that's how you do it? Like,
what is going on?

Speaker 8 (40:03):
Man?

Speaker 15 (40:04):
You said, mass up the found and have what?

Speaker 13 (40:07):
DeAndre?

Speaker 4 (40:08):
I'm not young, I'm daring.

Speaker 16 (40:09):
I'm you tu I guess and what and my just
sayond I mean.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Who's going when Thurston comes from us?

Speaker 13 (40:14):
Who is going to make that place?

Speaker 16 (40:16):
What?

Speaker 4 (40:16):
W we need that first?

Speaker 13 (40:17):
Daance?

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Who's gonna do it?

Speaker 6 (40:19):
Yeah, I'll all right, thanks William.

Speaker 7 (40:25):
I'm glad he was working hard to try to keep
it under control.

Speaker 6 (40:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (40:28):
I feel like that this is the same thing, though.
I I feel for the people that wanted the offensive weapons.
I don't think it was great. As Evan just said,
you know it wasn't a great receiver class, and then
once you sort of let the better ones go early,
you kind of get.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
You missed Evan's run in the twenties, I mean, right
outside of that.

Speaker 7 (40:47):
And and here's where, you know, and I agree with
everything Evan said, but I think I sort of interpreted
a little bit different. I think it makes more sense
for teams like Cincinnati in the Chargers and that have
weapons to take a shot on someone else, because if
it doesn't really work, it's nothing, nothing lost. You know,
you still got Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, and you still

(41:11):
got Tyler Boyd and you know Jamar Chase and t Higgins.
If the Patriots like put some stock into a receiver
who's kind of iffy and it doesn't work, it's a bust.
It's it's it's it's a disaster.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
You know.

Speaker 7 (41:23):
Thornton so right, and you know, it's one of those things.
You know, we talk a lot about the cornerbacks, corners,
not quarterbacks. Like so everybody's thrilled about Christian Gonzales and
I am too, and and some you know, I heard
one person sort of play Devil's advocate, intentionally trying to
look at the other side of it. Today, as I

(41:45):
was driving in and they were saying they've had so
much succe, I think was Chris Gasper. They've had so
much success with the Malcolm Butler's and the j. C.
Jackson's of the world. And I would argue that if
Christian Gonzales plays like Malcolm Butler, he's not good, he's
gonna be He's gonna be perceived to be a borderline bust.
You know, bust is probably too strong because Butler was

(42:05):
a good player.

Speaker 16 (42:06):
J C.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
Jackson was a good player, but up and down, I
think that those guys were elevated because they were undrafted
free agents, right and when they played and they started
and they made some plays, you were like, wow, Bill
did it again, And he did because Bill's had immense
success with that position. Jonathan Jones Randall Gay like a
lot of defensive backs undrafted that he's had success with.

(42:27):
But I don't think success for an undrafted rookie is
the same as a first round draft pick.

Speaker 6 (42:32):
No, No, this guy has to be a Pro Bowl.

Speaker 7 (42:36):
He's same kind of stuff. With the receivers, if they're
not good enough. The Patriots needed like the Patriots needed
a receiver to come in and really help Mac Jones.
So if if they're not good enough and they don't
think that they can do that, maybe they were better
off going another just just a different trying to bring

(42:56):
myself around. What what are they thinking? What's their line
of thought?

Speaker 5 (43:00):
I think, I mean, I think that they're thinking, we
want to surround him with veterans. We don't think that
a rookie's going to come in here and work with
Mac and make really much of a difference. So let's
just have Bill O'Brien create a new offense for what
we have, you know, I mean it's I mean, it's
not a terrible, terrible group.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
Of Is there a chance that we go out in
training camp and as bad as it looked last year,
we're like, whoa, this looks like I mean, it's a bar,
a low bar offense that that seems to know what
it's doing at least like it.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
But that's just the bare minimum. And I think that,
you know, to willman Film's point, like it's third and eight,
where's the ball going? And this whole idea of oh
well could go anywhere like that? That really, now, that's
not going to change the equation. That doesn't do it
for me. Okay, where who is the guy that comes

(43:51):
on Tuesdays when teams get into those game plan meetings
and they say, see the Patriots offense up on the board,
and they say, we absolutely need to shut this guy down,
or we need to devise our entire game plan around
Tyreek Kill, around Stefan Diggs, around Garrett Wilson. And they
don't have that guy on the roster now. They weren't
going to get that guy in this draft, and I

(44:11):
agree with that, unless maybe they went with one of
those first round guys. But I think ultimately what you
look at now at this draft is that there were
guys that fit their prototype that were available at some
of the instances where they picked the sequence that's going
to hant.

Speaker 6 (44:26):
They necessarily better than the guys they have now. And
I know twenty twenty four a lot of these guys
will be going, but this year, were they necessarily better
than the stable of pass catchers that they have now?

Speaker 3 (44:38):
I don't know if they are going to be better,
but I think that some of the guys that were
available had the potential to be better, because you know what,
Kendrick Bourne is you know that what he is in
the league, but Josh Downs might be he might be worse,
he might be better, but he might be better. Right,
And that's the draft. And as we're looking at the

(44:59):
sequence that's going to kick on me. Marty Mapu had
seventy six at seventy eight Josh Downs or seventy eight
Tucker Craft the tight end from South Dakota State and
had seventy nine Josh Downs. So right in that span
of four picks that those two guys came off the board.
And if either one of those guys Craft or Downs
ends up being an impact player in Green Bay or Indy,

(45:20):
that's gonna be where we're going to look back and
say what do we do here?

Speaker 5 (45:22):
Yeah, I was gonna say to your point, Evan, like
you know, with with the ball can go anywhere. Third
and fourteen in Super Bowl forty nine, who to go to?
Julian Edelman? You know, fourth down, twenty fifteen AFC Championship,
Who Rob Gronkowski?

Speaker 7 (45:34):
Well, that's Super Bowl for all that Tom Brady's talk
about who's your favorite receiver? The open guy?

Speaker 5 (45:39):
When you had you had to have it, you knew,
you generally knew it was.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Going to Welker, it was going to Gronk. Yeah, it
was going to Edelman.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (45:46):
And I'm not telling you every single time, but you
knew when and I just listened to Jimmy were down,
you knew where the ball was going.

Speaker 6 (45:51):
Sup.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
Super Bowl fifty three Gronk that, I mean, the biggest
play of the game to to, you know, to get
that final score. I mean, how many did Edelman have
third downs that you had to? I mean those were
the guys that made the key plays. It's not about well,
you never know where it's gonna go. We might actually
throw it to you know, receiver number six on this play.
It doesn't happen. I mean, when the big moments, the
big games got to have it, you need the good players.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
Let's go back to the phones. Mike's in North Carolina.

Speaker 17 (46:13):
Hi, Mike, Hey, guys, going good. Great love listening to
you guys. Trying to talk myself off the ledge here
after the Bruins collapse of a Day three. I feel
like for the Patriots, but I just want to talk about,

(46:36):
specifically about the asset management over the past couple of
years with the guards and interior line. So we had
Joe Toney. We know that story. They franchised him, let
them walk, didn't want to pay him. Then we shipped
off Shack Mason last year, who granted it looks like
he declined a little bit in last year, but still

(46:58):
got rid of them. Had to spend a first round
pick on a guard last year, a Strange. We also
drafted Chase some times, I think as well later in
the draft. And then this year we've taken three more
interior alignments. So just I mean, like, I just don't

(47:19):
know what we're doing here really, to be honest.

Speaker 7 (47:21):
Do any of you have any concerns about the guards
they took last year? Strange and Hines.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
I didn't give him much thought.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
I mean, I don't know. I don't know what to
think of Heines. I mean, we didn't see him at all.
He was never really on that.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
We already have concerns about Strange. Then they're that they're
in trouble because if that pick doesn't pan out with
where they took them and the position that they and I'm.

Speaker 7 (47:41):
Not saying that they do, I'm just I'm just looking.
So so they had so they had struggle in the
interior offensive line last year, like Strange, got benched three
different times, right.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
People, every people don't like to talk about it, and.

Speaker 7 (47:52):
Everybody, but everybody complained. Everybody, can you know, complained going
in like well right now, I shouldn't say, like then,
now there's a lot. Well, you had James Ferrence was
your backup. He's thirty three years old. I agree, Yet
you should have someone better than that, like a young
guy that you're not paying, you know whatever. But think

(48:12):
about the fact that the coaches knew that that James
Ferrnce was the best option, and yet still three different
times cole Strange was taken out of the game. Healthy
Cole Strange was taken out and they felt like they
didn't have any depth on the So what are they
going to feel if they feel like now we have

(48:32):
Antonio Maffi in City sau Get in the CD city
City City, you know, maybe they feel good about these picks.
Maybe they're at a higher level in chasing Hines and
they're more options. Then what happens, Like my guess is
it's more of an indictment on Chasing Hines, who, as
you said, Mike accurately, didn't really see the field right

(48:54):
than it is Cole Strange. But to Evan's point, we
better see col Strange as a fixture, not coming in
and out of games periodically, well and all this.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
Stuff that you thought. You know, hey, we kind of
have to hopefully rely on these guys. Andrews in the
middle at center, Cole Strange at left guard, and Michael
and Win you a right guard. I mean, you don't
have a lot that you can really say, let's hang
our hat on. But like your hope is that you
spend a first round pick on this left guard. Your
right guard is supposedly one of the most promising players
on your roster, you know, coming up for a contract.

(49:23):
And your center is your captain and your leader. I mean,
there's nobody left really of you know, those guys on
the offensive side of the ball. David Andrews kind of
stands alone as far as that, so, you know, you
just you have to wonder what what what's going on?
There are those guys in danger? I mean it is
David Andrew's going to be in a competition, you know,
like legitimate for his job. I can't rule it out.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
Right now, Let's go to Butch in Marshall, what's up? Butch?

Speaker 15 (49:47):
Hey, you guys, how's it going good?

Speaker 6 (49:49):
But where's Marshall Marshfield. Marshfield, My uncle was a butcher
from Marshfield. All right, yeah, I want.

Speaker 15 (49:57):
To pause a minute and U you know, I think
if you get the draft, maybe another month or two,
depending on how they fill the holes in free agency.
We know the compic periods about to end, and Bill
loves to kind of, you know, use another spark once
that period ends. And there's still two decent tackles and
some good running backs out there.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
But who are the tackle.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Tackles we got?

Speaker 15 (50:23):
We got Lewin and Donovan Smith, which you know I would.

Speaker 7 (50:26):
You're talking about free agent?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yeah, not yep, there's no reason to bring either one
of those guys in With Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
You have that, Yeah, they're there.

Speaker 14 (50:38):
I would argue they're a little bit better starting capability.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
Yeah yeah, maybe so. I mean, how many of those
guys you're going to have, though, Like, how many veterans
free agent tackles are you going to sign?

Speaker 3 (50:50):
That would be three.

Speaker 15 (50:51):
I think they're better than Anderson.

Speaker 7 (50:52):
And not okay, but they already signed those guys. I
think I think you're right. I think Donovan Smith is
better than Riley Reef. I agree with you, but they
signed Riley Reef, So how many are you going to sign?

Speaker 6 (51:04):
Yeah, you can only have so many on your roster.

Speaker 7 (51:08):
Like I just find it. I mean, I'm not telling
you it's impossible. There's plenty of veteran free agent signings
that don't ever make the team. But that's but that's
a fail right, well right.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
I mean, just bring up the roster. I mean, right now,
I got them at eighty one on the roster. They
have five more picks. That takes him to eighty six.
I mean, they could have four roster spots by the
end of this and that and that's.

Speaker 7 (51:26):
And I'm not positive. I think you're one short based
on what I've been reading. I thought it was I.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Think some people include Devin mccordy in the counting because
he hasn't officially retired.

Speaker 7 (51:34):
Yeah, but Mike Reese wouldn't. Mike Reese wouldn't include that.
But you might check. You might have it, so you're
have either way. Yeah, and I agree, Like I who
was that Butcher? I agree with Butch. I mean I
would rather have Donovan Smith, not Lewan. Lwan's might be done.
He might be like Riley Reef done podcasts, but at
least he's he was at a higher level than Riley

(51:56):
Reef when he was when he was healthy. But I
would rather have Donovan Smith. But it's hard for me
to wrap my head around the fact that they're going
to sign another tackle match.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
And when we talked to Macro in his pre draft
press conference, he put it out there that they really
like their tackle room. He said that they have one
guy returning in Trent Brown that they like, they have
two new guys. You know they are They've belt it
out for us that they were high on their tackle room.
And you know, when we Alex and I did our

(52:25):
final catch Toining twenty two and mock drafts and all
that stuff, none neither of us took tackles in the
top one hundred. Because of what Macro had to say,
we took it at face value, and that's how the
draft has gone. They they felt they ended up feeling
better about their tackle depths somehow than their interior depth. Clearly,
I mean based off the way that they run the draft.

Speaker 7 (52:43):
And this is but part of the reasoning like they
feel better about their tackles. They told you that they
liked their tackles. This is like my point about like
they think that they got a guy who can play
linebacker at two hundred and seventeen pounds. I know, yeah,
I know, Like I this is why I'm not arguing
with the philosophy. I just I wonder if Calvin Anderson

(53:05):
can be a starting tackle in the NFL. They obviously
think he can. Yeah, well, like I don't doubt.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
That they think he can.

Speaker 7 (53:11):
And I'm not trying to tell you why no more
than they I don't know and you can't.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
The problem is that that's all three of those tackles, Reef Anderson,
and Trent Brown. I'm not even confident in Trent Brown,
almost no confidence. I'm not confident that in any one
of those guys that you have a starter right that
you're gonna put him in in camp on day one
and you're not gonna take about until the end of
the season. I don't know that about any of those guys.

Speaker 7 (53:36):
The best thing I could say about Trent Brown was recently,
within the past week or so, he was out doing
an event for us with the Charitable Foundation, which I
found to be a very and I'm not being sarcastic,
not at all. I found that to be a very
positive sign that he was here, He was on board
part of the organization. That stuff is important here, and

(53:56):
I'm not trying to be corny, that stuff is important here,
and the fact that he was part of that in
the off season I took as a positive side.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
It's all about mindset for Trent, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
The ability, it's just like I know, it's like sometimes
he's absolutely dominant, and I would say that's you know,
I don't even to say sometimes like there's flashes of dominance,
but it's not. It's just not consistent. And then you
mix in the injuries, which I know we last year
he wasn't really injured, but.

Speaker 6 (54:20):
Well he was sick. He just a few games, you know,
and I think it affected him and come out until
he didn't even come out for warm ups for a
couple of games, you know.

Speaker 7 (54:29):
Thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 6 (54:30):
Yeah, but no, I'm serious. I mean, I just think
with him, it's not about ability, it's about want to
you know.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, And it's also about Adrian Clem at this point
with this, Grew could help because we put a lot
on Bill O'Brien's play to make the skill positions in
the passing game better, I think. But I think they
genuinely believe that Adrian Clem is going to also bring
a level of unison, sophistication communication to that group that mentally,

(54:59):
that group is going to be a lot more locked
in than it was last year.

Speaker 6 (55:03):
Let's go to Pat Nagawam. What's up? Pat?

Speaker 14 (55:08):
I hope you're right Evan, as far as Adrian Klem
goes now, I'll show a little bit of positivity mixed
in with a little bit of negativity. So I do, like,
you know, I do like the Ryland pick. I do
like the Mafi pick, and I think I might be
in the slight minority fans. I like the ke On
White pick. But for the lights of me, I mean, Kevin,

(55:31):
you're talking about Mapu and how you know they've tried
guys like that here. I can't remember the fifth rounders
name who came in injured a couple.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
Of years ago.

Speaker 14 (55:40):
But to have rather than seen them take a risk
on a guy like Darnell Washington at that point at least,
like that's a guy that you don't have on your
team right now, I wouldn't have a good inline blocking
tight end.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
I think that's the biggest thing with MAPU is what
I mentioned it kind of earlier with with Downs and Craft,
and I know you can't it's hard to play this
game because you don't know how the board's gonna go.
But at the same time, I can't help but think
you probably could have had both. Like I really feel
like you probably could have had one of those players
that went in that like five to ten pick range
that all of us loved, like a Darnell Washington, like

(56:15):
a Tucker Craft or Josh Downs, and then still gotten
your guy in Mapo, who I think they clearly really
liked the kid that he came in. Bill talked about
his thirty visit last night. I think he blew him
away in the top thirty visit of his knowledge of
the game and his knowledge of multiple roles in the defense.
It made me think of that Devin mccordy story that
he told at mccorty's retirement ceremony that he knew the

(56:38):
roles and the assignments of all three levels of the defense,
and how rare that was for a college player. I
don't know if MAPO, you know, interviewed like that, but
that was sort of the impression that I got from
Belichick that he just loved the kid, you know, meeting
with him and talking with him, which is fine. But
would Mapu have been there at one oh seven or
could a trade up have happened back into the third

(56:59):
round to get Mapu by the end of the night
last night, and then you still get one of those
name brand players at seventy six.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
I just think when you boil it down and you've
you've you've kind of said it, I mean, and I'm
just looking at the numbers now where you're now sitting
on ten interior offensive linemen, and you don't really have
a third tight end, you don't have a fifth wide receiver.
And not to make too big of a deal of
what a third, but those are positions that you take
into game day that you might need, you know.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
And then can you do me a favorite. Do you
have the name the ten?

Speaker 7 (57:28):
No? Do you have the depth chart open in front
of you right there? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Can you just name it this interior offensive line?

Speaker 18 (57:33):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (57:33):
So we have our three starters of talk Strange Andrews,
and then behind them, I've got Chasing Hines, Cody Russi,
and James Ferrence. Then We've got Bill Murray, Jake Andrews,
citisal Antonio Maffi.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Ten ten you needed ten, right, Paul?

Speaker 5 (57:48):
And how many are you going to make the team?

Speaker 7 (57:50):
And that five? Yeah? Like listen, I I preface this
all the time by saying I don't know anything. No, no,
no, no no no, he just made them all. Tower lads,
Our lads does a great job with the depth.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
Charts they do. They have good depth chart step charts
they do.

Speaker 7 (58:06):
Actually being seriously, I know we are, I don't I'm
not sure how much better? Like what were we talking
about last year when I was, you know, chasing Hines
and Andrew Stuber as you know, young late day day three,
back up offensive lineman. Perfect, Yeah, that's what you do.
That great, great job. Suddenly this year they've taken three

(58:28):
in a row, and it's like, what you're surprised. I mean,
David Andrews is thirty one. No, I'm not surprised they
took back up off. This is what they do, this
is what you're supposed to do. But three and four picks.

Speaker 6 (58:41):
Well, it just after it might be an indictment on
the draft their opinion.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
It just that's just the way it went. Paul, but
it's just there.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
That's just the way we went, and there was just
nobody else. But I think we all like, at a
certain point, do you worry that we're probably gonna have
to cut this guy? Like you know, that's because you're.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
For drafting ten guys. Ten guys. I can't wait for
the backup.

Speaker 6 (59:06):
Competition and probably the guys they got well and.

Speaker 7 (59:08):
Bill Murray, I mean, I'll put him in a separate Obviously.
They just love this this kid because he's willing to
do whatever they want. But he's not. Uh, I don't
think a candidate really just step into any kind of
a meaningful at this stage. He's been in the practice
squad what three four years.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
Defensive defensive, offensive lineman, and and so so the rest
of them, and RUSI's a little undersized, and you know,
probably not And I mean, I I mean, Mafi to
me seems like the one guy on this list base
just I'm just reading draft profiles here.

Speaker 7 (59:38):
Yeah, I don't pretend to know all these guys. Mafi
seems to me to be the most talented guy.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Mafi is my favorite pick out of the three guys.
City Sal's got a lot of talent, but I think
the things that I saw with him were that he
doesn't really react to moving parts very well after the snap,
so like he had a difficult time picking up like
stunts and twists and blits his up front. And and
then the other thing with you know him was he's
more of that ball of clay type of guy. But

(01:00:04):
I like Mafia Ton.

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Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
I would have liked to see you in a past
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Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Thank you would have survived that one. Hello, sir, that
was nice to meet you last night.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Bill Belichick spoke after the draft, and you know it
was mostly all draft until uh one of Paul's guys
break the.

Speaker 7 (01:06:35):
Dard that's actually one of Evan's guys.

Speaker 6 (01:06:37):
Uh asked if you know I'm not taking He apologized
ahead of time because you know, the question wasn't draft related,
but you know, seeing as how he may not have
a chance to talk to Bill for a while after
last night you talked about the rumors that mac Jones
was on the trade uh you know, trade watch, and

(01:06:57):
also you know what his relationship to what Bill uh was,
and you know, Bill, he answered the questions. You know,
you may not like the answers, but he did answer
the questions. He didn't he didn't duck him, you know.
And he said that Max our quarterback and he's well,
he said, he's been our quarterback for the last two years.

(01:07:18):
And then when Baard followed up and said, you know,
you're very complimentary to him. Do you feel the same way,
he said, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Right, yeah, but I would stop short of saying that
he said he's my.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
Quote, he didn't say those words.

Speaker 7 (01:07:29):
You're right, and I'll just you know, I do have
the the transcript in front of me, you know, Greg,
just like Fred said, prefaced it by sort of apologizing
for asking it in the setting that is probably not
conducive for that. But he said, you know, is he
your quarterback right now? How do you view him going
into year three? And the answer, the first answer was well,

(01:07:52):
I'm not going to respond to the anonymous quotes. Greg,
So this is why I regarding the trading, pushed back
a little bit on you know, well he answered the
he was evasive again, is Mac your quarterback as of
right now? Yeah? I mean, look, Max's been our quarterback
for two years. As I tell the team, every year,
each player, each coach, we all have to re establish

(01:08:14):
and prove ourselves every year. That's what this league is.
So that's for all of us. Twenty twenty three is
twenty twenty three, and we'll see how it goes. So
anybody that's saying he said he's our quarterback, that's not
what he said.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
Yeah, he's got to win the job.

Speaker 7 (01:08:28):
He's got to win the job, is what he said.

Speaker 6 (01:08:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
I just think it's the contrast between how he handled
Cam Newton and you know, just that refusal to give
Stidham a chance, and just he's our starter, Cam's our start.
I mean, he just kept pounding that drum.

Speaker 7 (01:08:40):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
Of course they're different players, and I think that there's
different situations, different situations. Cam Newton was a placeholder. He
wasn't your long term answer, and he knew that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
And cam Newton needs coddling. I mean he's very fragile,
believe it or not, you know, and Bill knew that
this is k Newton with I think I think he
looks at Mac differently like he looks at Mac. Is
if this guy is gonna be our long term answer,
he's gonna have to take it and he's gonna have
to earn it and nothing can be given to him.

Speaker 7 (01:09:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:10):
And I mean and and I think match Max should
be used to that. I think that's for the most
part what Mac is known, with last year being the outlier.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Uh But I was I was thinking a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Of just you know, and I can't think of anything
off the top of my head, but just going back
to Bill's days in Cleveland, obviously we know the Brady
Bledsoe and how he handled that, uh you know, with
the with the whole Testaverdy thing and and Bernie Kosar
how you know, He's just got an interesting way of
dealing with that position at various times. And I mean,
I don't think I think this situation. It's obvious mac

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Jones hasn't done enough in his mind to just say
he's our he's the established.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
Starter and he's got enough. And he's also done things
that really ruffled his feather too that you know, the
all that stuff is real, the you know, going outside
to Alabama asking for help, you know, questioning Patricia, the
outward signs of frustration, you know during games that did
not help Max, you know, standing with Bill and you know,

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right or wrong, you know, like who's the adult in
the room and who's not. You know, like you can
disagree with how Bill handle it, but all that stuff
is real.

Speaker 5 (01:10:18):
It's not Fay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
You know, it's real, and I would fall into that.

Speaker 7 (01:10:21):
I think it's all real, and I understand, you know,
where Bill would be upset. I also don't think Bill's
handling it well right, you know, and you you you
said something about you know, with Cam Newton he needed
the coddling and he you know, he you know, the
fragility there, and he thinks if mac Jones is going
to be the guy in the future or he's going
to need to handle that, well, I don't think all

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all people, all players are the same. So if that's
the way he's thinking. I think that's a misstep on
Bill's part because I don't know Mac Jones well enough
to know if that's the way he wants he needs
to be coached, or if he is like say Russell Wilson,
who was every bit as fragile as any of these
big time quarterbacks, Pete Reckor treated him differently and got

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ten great years out.

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
And got the most out him. You're right, but what
if Nick Saban said this is how you need to
treat Mac.

Speaker 7 (01:11:09):
Well, But what if Pete Carroll said this is how
we need to treat Russell Wilson and then he was
out of the league in a year and a half.

Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
Yeah, No, it's different, you waste.

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
But if I had just adjusted the way I coach
and treat different players differently, which is what the best
coaches do.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
No, And I'm just saying, like, if it was Russell Wilson,
be different. But maybe Nick told Bill for Mac, you
need to coach him hard. He needs, you know, he
needs to understand who's boss.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Yeah, And that's how it's usually been for him, going
back to you know, to his high school coach. And
so I, like I said it shouldn't be anything that
he's not used to. But I just I can't get
out of my head the fifth year option a year
from right now, and what does Mack have to do
in this year too? In Bill's mind earn that option
being picked up. And it's just there's so much on

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this season right now for you know, mister Craft saying
making the playoffs for for Mac and everything he's going
through right now, is he going to really solidify his
place or you know, or are we going to get
out there? And you know, I'm sure OTAs it's just
going to look like it usually does with Mac will
take the first rep. But I do wonder if it's
kind of you know, if there's just a tinge of
it seems like Zappy's getting he's getting a little bit

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of a reps.

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
And chance that to me is the more fascinating part
of this is rather than trying to read into you know,
why did he say that? Why didn't he mention his name?
But why didn't or why did he? What do you
think we're going to see when we get on the field.
Do you think it's going to be like that th
aue competition? I kind of don't.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
I don't think so at ot as. I don't think
we'll come out of O t AS. But I do
wonder if as we get into training camp, if if
you start noticing Zappy getting just you know, more more
snaps than you might have expect.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
I think ZAPPI might get some reps the the one bs.
You know, some of the guys that are fringe starters,
fourth or fifth receivers, but not not not the guys
that are going to be on the team, but not
guys that are.

Speaker 6 (01:12:58):
A you know he was there seen in the past,
because now he really is the number two. I mean
last year you had Hoyer, who you know, depending on
the day, got more snaps than Zappy.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
But you always felt with Hoyer and it was like.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
To a certain thing. So you know, you bring out
Hoyer because you know it's going to get done the
way you want it done. But so Zapi will get
more snaps and than he did last year, there's no
doubt about it. But I agree with Paul. I think
from day one it'll be ever Max your started.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
But that's that's a little deceiver, but that can change,
you know. I also just say I go back to
the all the way to nineteen when Brady and training
camp said this team needs a great quarterback, and I think, again,
this team needs a great quarterback, and every team needs
a great and I really feel like with Mac, you know,

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I think all what all of us want to see
is to have him just go out there and establish
himself at a much higher level than what he was
at when the first week of camp was over last year,
when it was quite frankly an abject disaster for the
entire offense. So if he does that, I just find
it really hard to believe that that door is going

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to be a jar for Bailey Zappy if.

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
He comes out. And I'm not talking about OTAs.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
And passing camps and things like that where there's no
pads and that's a totally different animal. But I think
once he that first week of real full contact football,
if he comes out and sets a tone, I don't
think that they were really going to have a camp
competition at that position.

Speaker 7 (01:14:33):
And the whole I just you know, semantics thing. But yeah,
he's gonna get Zappi's gonna get more reps than he
did last year. He's the two this year, right, he
was the three last year. So that's kind of not
the same, right, Like, that doesn't mean he's like Brian
Hoyer was not getting a chance to start last year.
He was not in a competition with Mac Jones.

Speaker 6 (01:14:55):
I'm just saying, don't let looks deceive you that, oh,
Zapy's getting more snaps in the No, he's in number two.

Speaker 7 (01:15:00):
He should, right, But that's just like what I'm saying
is what Evan's talking about. Is he getting more reps
with players that you know Brian Hoyd didn't get a
lot of reps with ones in camp last year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Well, there are no rookies for him to throw to
you right now, so.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
It all comes back. He's gonna you know what. I
gave him a big hug when we left after round one.
I was so happy for him. Now I just feel
like he needs a hug.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
He congratulated me like in the war room, like all
the Eagles war room celebrating their sixth round pick, which,
by the way, the lottery.

Speaker 7 (01:15:33):
The sixth round is around the corner. Well we didn't
do it on video though.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Just don't forget that Tom Brady was drafted in the
sixth so it does happen. So I do forget that
all the.

Speaker 6 (01:15:44):
Time he was actually playing chess here, because it's not
what he says, it's what he does. And what he's
not doing is getting all these new weapons because he
believes in Mac. Mac doesn't need.

Speaker 7 (01:15:56):
He stole my off your line, right, You said that, well,
but I said, it's actually a big show of support
from Mac.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
Right, But I mean maybe it is. But I think
like ultimately the end goal for Bill right now and
all these things that he's doing of not mentioning Mac
and all that, like, it's all I think in purpose
to get Mac to hit the next level and to
play better. I mean, I I just I don't think
that these are all like him just being like I'm
just gonna screw this kid over now, make this season
miserable for him. I just I can't see him burning
a season just to be vindictive to a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
All right, let's get back to the phones. That's the
what Bill had to say last night. But let's get
back to the draft. Chris is in Scottsdale. What's up, Chris?

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Hey guys? Hey Fred, Just an interesting points. I remember
years ago on PSW you had mentioned, you know, your
curiosity about how seeing you guys on the podcast versus
just hearing you being l on whether or not you
were a big fan of that or whatever. And I
gotta tell you, it is awesome being able to see

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you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
Okay, so you think it's worth that, all right, Well,
thank you, Okay, thanks for these just some feedback, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Okay. So I'm actually, you know, really really really upset
with with how things are, and I think it's predictable,
and guys to be to be very honest, and one
of the beautiful things about our podcast and our show
is that you get the latitude to kind of jump
around a little bit. You guys are very patient with
us as callers and let us bend, especially in these times, right,
so please give me that as well. In this call,

(01:17:30):
I will say this that it's becoming so redundant, these
drafts and the disappointments and you know.

Speaker 17 (01:17:37):
The whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
So that's why when when the draft got off to
the good start that it got off to with Christian
Gonzales and and I kind of figured that that, you know, hey,
now more than ever, Bill can't just make a mockery
of the draft and thumb's nose to it, and and
I'm smarter than everybody, and you know, and be snide,
and you know the whole thing that he does right
which is just tired and old and completely destroying this

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organization literally from the ground up. I mean, it really
really is. And that's not overstating it. I think the
facts are bearing out if you look how barren our
roster is in so many ways, not only for now,
but you guys brought up earlier, you know, down the
road is up. I mean when you trade down to
get Christian Gonzales and take up the holier than now

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fourth round pick and you take a kicker, you know,
with it in this that and the other or whichever
one it was, you know, the mantis, it doesn't really matter.
But at this point, I think it's very well known
how we feel about you know, Bill and the Bill
Wi crust Scout needs to go away and all that.
But I think we have to pull back the curtain

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a little bit and look at Robert, you know, mister Kraft,
I mean honestly, because it's not like he's stupid and
he doesn't see what's going on. At some point you
have to wonder to yourself, it is he and Jonathan
just okay with what's going on because they make the
money that they make off of owning this team, and
they got their championships and it is what it is.
And you know, maybe when Jonathan takes over, maybe because

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of that, when he wants to put his thumb crind
on it. And then that's when we start getting you know,
a coach and here in a GM and here that
that's actually taking the process very well.

Speaker 6 (01:19:14):
I can tell you that they know that winning me
is everything. Like as much money as you're making now,
a lot of that dries up in terms of you know,
tickets and sponsorship revenue if you're not winning. So I mean, yeah,
I mean that's why Robert did what he did this offseason.

(01:19:35):
The letter that season ticket holders got right after the season,
the comments he made at the owners meeting, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
That's there's never any accountability. Remember this was when he
did things well.

Speaker 6 (01:19:47):
Well, okay, I mean, do you think that he might
have had any push to get bringing Bill O'Brien. Do
you think that he might have been part of like
maybe that was a not as much an ask as
a demand. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Yeah, you know that it's a very good point that
you bring up and and I'm not going to say
that he didn't, right, but the fact that Bill can constantly,
I mean so consistently, year after year, do outlandish things
that are a detriment to the team, you know, like hiring,
like you said, the coordinators that we had last year,
I mean, coaches. Because of his resume, he gets to

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keep it, but I mean other people, their heads are
on the on the chopping block, I mean instantly for
stuff like that. I mean, and being so poor for years,
I know, but leading to the product that we have now.

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
No mean thanks for the you know, we allow a
little latitude.

Speaker 7 (01:20:42):
But Fred would like to speak.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
But you know, but when Robert says, you know, our
head coach often does things that are unauthored ox you know,
he's earned the latitude to do so, it's not like
those things are unrecognized. They see that. You know he's
doing that, and he's he's earned a certain amount of latitude.
But it's running out. It's running out, and Robert Craft

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has made that clear, at least to me he has.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
I also just know this is not the draft for
the all They're ruining the team. Look, I'm upset about
the fourth round. I think the interior offensive linemann As
poul says he can do those on your own time. Okay,
But Christian Gonzalez is a good pick, Like, that's a
good player that they got. Kean White is a good
consensus draft pick. So I think they got two guys
at the top of the draft that are going to

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help this this team. And maybe they're not at the
positions that you wanted them to pick.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
But but here's here's something.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
But if those two guys are really good, it's going
to be a good draft.

Speaker 6 (01:21:37):
Oh yeah, But I want to I want to go
back to something that was said after the Gonzales pick
by Mayo. I'm just glad the coach let us make
the pick or something. I'm just glad coach made the pick.

Speaker 7 (01:21:51):
Say I don't think he said that.

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
Yeah, he said, I'm just glad coach made the pick.
So in Mayo mind, there's a chance that he wasn't
gonna make that pick.

Speaker 7 (01:22:01):
And well, that's not how that's not how I took it.
And I talked and I talked to Steve Belichick about
it too. They were I just thought they were happy
that they went. They got a good defensive player with
the first round pick because there's no guarantees of that.
I know that can that can go either way, and
you know, and the other part of it that that
sort of bugs me. And this gets back to what

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Chris was talking about Chris in Arizona. And look, it
was he overstating some of the things. Of course he was.
We all speaking hyperbole when we get wound up, right,
But so on one hand, Bill can say that, you know,
Mac Jones has been the quarterback for the last two years,
but we all start with a clean slate and then
you know, was it six weeks ago, Mike, you were

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out in Arizona when Bill's telling us here. So so
why why should the fans you know, believe that better
times a last the last twenty five years. So it's
okay for you to fall back on your resume, but
poor Mac Jones can't, Yeah, or anybody else.

Speaker 6 (01:22:59):
No, that was that was like, that's so hypocritical. That
was a departure of the patriot way and what Bill
usually does. Absolutely he got called out by Teddy Bruski
on that, right, right, you know, uh, let's get back
to the phones. We'll go to Sean and Rochester, New York.
What's up Sean my birthplace.

Speaker 7 (01:23:18):
Really, you were born in Rochester, New York. Learn something
about him. Every show I.

Speaker 6 (01:23:23):
Moved it was a rest stop, wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
My dad delivered me?

Speaker 8 (01:23:27):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
My dad worked for Wilson Sporting Goods up there for
just like a few years when I was born. Then
we moved back here when I was like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
One, wait, what's up, Sewan, you're there?

Speaker 5 (01:23:37):
You were born?

Speaker 16 (01:23:38):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:23:38):
No, no, no, no, Well they lived there for a few
years I was born, and then about a bravat here,
so they've been there a.

Speaker 7 (01:23:43):
Couple of years.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
But he actually, Sean is get up at a and
w I don't know. I was only seven months my dad,
did you know? We worked for Wilson Sporting Goods. He
used to do a lot of stuff with the bills
and uh he actually my uncle uncovered in the basement
assigned O. J. Simpson football that my dad had gotten
in recent really, which is kind of a spooky fine
not I don't know, That's exactly what I'm wondering, Like,
what do I do? Is is this Bill's ring of honors?

Speaker 6 (01:24:06):
Bill's a glove down there?

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
Hey, what's kind of cool? Question? What's up with the sign?

Speaker 10 (01:24:11):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
The signing where they usually put like Bill's fans of
the year. There's like a big sign right next to
the stadium that's like this billboard can be rented by
any NFL team or fans. I saw that. It's like,
so that's actively recruiting trolls to come, like put something
right to Patriot playoffs every year. Now that you don't
have a sign right, sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:24:29):
Shrewsbury writes in sorry, but I had to turn you
guys off, same old stuff. Could have, would have should have.
I'm sorry BB didn't solicit your draft input. I'm sorry
he won't let you rework the offense and these callers.
First off, as Fred says, it's only football. Second, as
a fan, I look for positive play and potential improvement.
I don't need to wallow in this stuff. I'm okay

(01:24:51):
with the draft and I'm looking forward to improvement.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Okay, I'm okay with the draft.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
I'm okay with the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
I mean, I just could have done without the three
interior offensive linemen. But like other than that, I think,
like I think they got some fun though, Evan, I mean,
I think though what we're I am.

Speaker 7 (01:25:05):
I'm okay with the draft.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
I'm okay with it, but I think that this this
is a critical draft that they had to nail, and
I don't know if they nailed it, I'm okay with it,
but I think that that the bar is higher, and
then if they don't get three plus contributors.

Speaker 7 (01:25:19):
Out of this class, it's It's like I like to try,
and I know I don't always do it because we're
all kind of we all fall into traps. But I
try to stay consistent with mindsets, and I generally, you know,
don't feel like you know the day three stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:25:36):
You're you're you're consistent with that. You never get worked
up either way about Day three.

Speaker 7 (01:25:40):
To me, it's all gravy. If you get something out
of a Day three pick, that's awesome. I don't kill
teams for not nailing Day three picks. Now, I totally
understand where ever it's coming from in terms of mindsets
and things like that, and everything that Evan is railed
against today, I would one hundred percent agree with. But
this is gonna come down to me, Like most drafts,
if you get a really good player in the first

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round and you get a really good player in the
second round, that's a pretty good draft. Like if you
get impact, guys, now, don't confuse starters with impact. Like
I read something that Daniel Jeremiah was one of his
conference calls. You know, my my feeling is if you
get three starters out of a draft, that's a successful draft,
sure on paper, But who are the starters?

Speaker 26 (01:26:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
And what starters?

Speaker 6 (01:26:22):
Bill?

Speaker 7 (01:26:23):
You know, is it Kyle Duggar that's a good draft pick?

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
What was the base line?

Speaker 7 (01:26:27):
You know, Cole Strange so far that's the starter? That's
an okay draft pick?

Speaker 16 (01:26:32):
Right?

Speaker 25 (01:26:33):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:26:34):
Like there's there's a there's a difference there, you know.
And yeah, and and like you know, three starters on
like the Chicago Bears isn't the same as three starters
out of the draft for the Kansas City Chiefs, right, Like,
how many opportunities are there for you know, a really good,
you know, perennial playoff team. How many openings they have

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legit starting starting lineup? That's and that's in Tavan's point.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
You feel like that there are still these kind of
open roster spots that don't really have much competition, and
and and they're in very important positions. They feel like
it's like the.

Speaker 7 (01:27:08):
Thing I reel against all the time. Everybody thinks it, right,
where'd you go with a safe pick? What's that offs
round tackle? Safe pick? It's just because those guys play
and you can't rip them apart like you can Nikhil Harry.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
I'm pretty sure grow will get that question tonight. It
seems like you guys really are stacked up on the
interior line. Do you have any concern that you might
have too many and that you're gonna end up having
to cut some guys that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
You've recent I think that's a good question. I also
think the good question is too, is Matt it looks like,
based off your draft that you really like your offense,
like you like your ones on the offensive side of
the football.

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
You got to paint them into the corner. So you
really like it.

Speaker 18 (01:27:48):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
You like the offense right?

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
Pumping up for us?

Speaker 7 (01:27:51):
I think the biggest offense, Yeah, I like my offense comment.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
I think the biggest thing is is that by going
defense with the first three picks at the top of
the draft, you did kind of miss the boat and
getting an impact offensive player at any position, tackle, tight end, wide, receiver, whatever.
So because you did that, now we're in the part
of the draft where we're really just throwing darts and
taking flyers on players with some upside dude to probably trades,

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athletic profiles, things like that, and you kind of missed
that boat. So that that's the tough part I think
for me is that you know that Day two pass
catcher didn't come, that Day two tight end didn't come.
So I'm not necessarily railing up against These picks are
a result of the fact that you just missed the
wave on, you know, in the first three rounds of
the draft. So now you're at a point where, yeah,

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the receiver you're going to take in the sixth round
is no different than the receiver you're going to take
in the fourth.

Speaker 6 (01:28:45):
Let's go to Ken in Louisiana. Hey, Ken, Kenny, Ken,
you killed Ken in Louisiana? Is not there? How about
Mike and Braintree? What's up? Mike Forward?

Speaker 16 (01:29:01):
I'm a long time listener, third time caler.

Speaker 6 (01:29:03):
Okay, and I had.

Speaker 16 (01:29:05):
One point to address and two questions about the defense.
I hope that's not too greedy.

Speaker 6 (01:29:09):
Okay, go ahead, I'd like to.

Speaker 16 (01:29:11):
Address I think it was Paul that made the point
that we are kind of testing Mac Jones to see
what we really have in him by not assisting him
in the passing game, by not picking up a pass
catcher pretty much at all. And I'm wondering, do you
think he will pass that test this year with the
new options offensive coordinator or how do you feel about that?

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
It's a good question. I don't think anyone knows that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:35):
I think it's a great question of this year. I mean,
that's that's you know, how much of an impact and
difference is Bill O'Brien make with Mac Jones and and
and the weapons that they clearly are ready to answer.

Speaker 6 (01:29:45):
He's got to look better than last year. It's not
a high.

Speaker 7 (01:29:50):
Will look better than last year?

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Right, that's the big thing. Will he be better than
he was?

Speaker 6 (01:29:55):
And it has to look better than his rookie year.

Speaker 5 (01:29:58):
Does tread and water at best?

Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
Yeah, I mean I'm not saying it will. But in
order for me to say, oh, Mac Jones is a
good quarterback, it has to look better than his rookie year.

Speaker 17 (01:30:10):
Do you have any absolutely agree?

Speaker 16 (01:30:13):
I have two questions about the defense. One of them
is kind of basic with the loss of Devin mccordy,
but the addition of Christian Gonzalez and Kean White. Do
you think they have improved, stayed the same, or gotten
a little worse.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
I think they've improved.

Speaker 5 (01:30:28):
Yeah, I think so. I just I mean, I always
think they're going to be pretty good. So it's hard
for me to say.

Speaker 6 (01:30:34):
Dallas, who always think he's going to be then that
trickle effect for the cornerback.

Speaker 7 (01:30:39):
That should make the secondary better.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
It should, but it's hard to project that.

Speaker 7 (01:30:43):
That's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
I'm saying it's a huge but he should get them.

Speaker 7 (01:30:48):
It's hard to say that on day one, But yeah,
I think I think he should make the rest of
the cornerback.

Speaker 6 (01:30:53):
Group everybody else falls into a place where they should
more be playing. I like, I'm talking about Jonathan Jones
and all those guys moved to places where they should be.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
You know, I wouldn't put like Sauce Gardner level expectations
on him, but I think like the tier below that
of rookie impact players is in play for Christian Gonzales.
I think comparing anybody to Sauce and expecting him to
win Defensive Rookie of the Year is extremely lofty, But
you take that next step down, I think he can
be a high end starter as a rookie.

Speaker 6 (01:31:22):
Thanks Mike, appreciate the call.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Uh do you do you have How do you view
the difference between Mac Jones Mac Jones with Josh McDaniels
Mac Jones versus Bill O'Brien. I mean not saying, oh,
I'm one's better or the other, but just I'm wondering
what the difference is.

Speaker 18 (01:31:37):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:31:37):
The question is, how would Mac Jones be in his
third year with Josh McDaniels. Because Josh McDaniels got Mac
when he was a rookie, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:31:44):
Yeah, I mean he should be really hit his stride,
you would think. And that's you know, I just I
wonder if Bill O'Brien can pick up where he left
off last year with you know, Maddy p and and
build on it.

Speaker 6 (01:31:53):
I think he got to a race last year. You
got to pick up where he left off with Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
Yeah, And what is the influence of the college of
what Bill.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
That's what I'm excited about is that I think people
assume that Bill O'Brien has the same exact playbook as
Josh McDaniels, just because once upon a time he was
the Patriots offensive coordinator too. It's a pretty sign. It's
not significantly different in terms of terminology, but they they
go about things differently. They're not exactly the same coach.

(01:32:21):
I don't think so. I think you're gonna see some
college wrinkles. I do think you're gonna see a little
bit more of an RBO package. I think you're gonna
see more empty Bill O'Brien loves to go empty five wide,
empty host juke. That's that's his staple, right, So I
think you're gonna see some of that. I think that
there is a little bit of a more uh, you know,
Josh mcthio is very old school, full back in the backfield,

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under center, power plays and then play action off of it.
Bill O'Brien's got a little bit of a different twist
on things.

Speaker 6 (01:32:50):
That's what he learned at Carol O'Connor High School back then.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
You know, is that where he went John Carroll University?

Speaker 6 (01:32:56):
Oh was it John Carroll? Wasn't Carol O'Connor. No, do
you know who Carol?

Speaker 7 (01:33:00):
We get idea.

Speaker 6 (01:33:00):
You don't know who he is.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
He was Archie, I know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
Sorry, sorry guy, you forget what you're talking.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Forgot how wicked, hands.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
Wicked handsome I got coffee.

Speaker 7 (01:33:18):
I'll tell you one thing I'm excited about that Evan
talks about with Billy Oh, is that you know that
story you told about Jameson Williams earlier, Like that that
kind of stuff to me, like maybe he does have
some different looks that he has to find to to
get guys off the line, get guys in the clear.
Utilize athleticism, you utilize.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Yeah, he uses a lot of like different splits and
bunches and and uh pick plays and rub routes and
things like that to get those guys off the line
of scrimmage and and really allow them to open up
their strides. And with a guy like Taekwon who's rail thin,
like you don't want him to have to get off
press man by himself too often. And I think Billy
O will help him in that regard.

Speaker 6 (01:34:01):
Let's see Anthony says, oh, I hate this draft after
the second round? Is it possible? Bill and company think
keeping on when you and moving him to tackle is
a future plan. And that's the reason to throw darts
at the inside O line.

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
It's it's you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
I can't roll it out now. I just I think
with on Wnu and he's talked about it a little
bit as well. You just got to find a spot
for him and let him stick there and let him
develop as a player. I continuing to move him inside
and outside. You're playing mind games with him, and it's
one thing that you have that's that's a good player,
that you can really hang your hat on that you

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have this really good guard. I just would hate to
all then kick him back outside and then all of
a sudden, it's a whole other can of worms for him.
And I would also just mention that you know, when
they flip flop Trent Brown and Isaiah Win, those two
guys showed up to Mini caamp and had no idea
that that was going on. So if they're gonna kick
on outside and that's the plan, then I really hope

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that they've communicated that with him.

Speaker 6 (01:35:00):
Ben and Florida says, I'm someone who believed that Bill
needed to be fired, not because he can't win games
as a coach, but because he can no longer build
a team that competes in today's NFL. When Bill leads
the Patriots, he will leave behind a team in far
worse shape than when he became the head coach.

Speaker 7 (01:35:18):
Will have it that is not true.

Speaker 6 (01:35:19):
Yeah, mister Kraft will have a tough decision to make
when the Patriots missed the playoff.

Speaker 7 (01:35:23):
They didn't even have fifty three players when he took over. Yeah,
that's I mean, that's not true. Yeah, that's a gross exaggeration.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
I would also say it's not true that the players
that they drafted on defense at the top of the
draft is archaic. Click Christian Gonzalez is exactly what the
league wants nowadays, a four to three eight six foot
one outside corner, and Mapu is like the total opposite
of dinosaur, you know, two hundred and sixty pound plotting linebacker.
You know, he's the total antithesis of that. So that

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does give me some hope a little bit that some
of these guys are that new age pro. Gonzalez is
what every single team wants at that corner position, long, fast,
outside corner.

Speaker 6 (01:36:06):
Rick writes in they're thirty one teams every year that lose,
thirty one teams that don't win the Super Bowl. Great drafts.
So far, We've lost the plot drafts from twenty sixteen
to twenty twenty, but the last three have been solid.
Building a team inside and out.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
I thought twenty twenty was solid up the middle.

Speaker 7 (01:36:23):
Twenty twenty was better than last year.

Speaker 6 (01:36:25):
Yeah, we're zigging without getting two off the plot? Okay,
all right?

Speaker 7 (01:36:32):
Like what what is like? You know, forgive me for
not being hip with the lingo, but what is off
the plot?

Speaker 18 (01:36:38):
Need?

Speaker 6 (01:36:38):
It might be the reservation might be the same thing
as off the result.

Speaker 7 (01:36:42):
So taking a guy from Sacramento State in the third
round is on the reservation.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
It's the opposite of chock Paul correct.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
Let's see. Matt writes in really surprised that three interior
o line have been taken so far, even though it
was in need. Are there any tight ends that could
be targeted in the sixth round to be a blocker
that maybe some future receiving. I really like to see
two taken, as I think this is a spot that
could lead to playing time this year. Also, do you

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believe a punter is inevitable in the sixth round? And
are there any developmental quarterbacks we're taking?

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
So Coons is still on the board, which tells me
that there's something going on with mister Kons. He did
he was injured last year, and maybe that injury is
significant and maybe a long term concern for teams. I
really do like Brandon Willis from Oklahoma as well, but
he's more of like h back full back type of
tight end, not a real true tight end. Other than that,

(01:37:41):
we're really were in that straws at that position wide
receiver though. I still think there's some guys that can
play at Perry Xavier Hutchinson, Parker Washington, Ronnie Bell, Bryce
Ford Wheaton to Mario Douglas, Keishaon, Butte is still hanging
on there after that combine.

Speaker 7 (01:38:00):
You know, Booty, I think you're down for a quarterback
Tanner McKey, who I don't really like. I don't know
how you guys are. Yeah, and Max Duggan.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Max Duggan if
they had to take a quarterback. I'm glad that Tanner
McKee is here because I did not see it with
him at all, and we agreed on a lot of players.
I was like, what is a surprise? You know, why
is it? Why is he the consensus second rated quarterback
in this draft? You know, in that like next tier
of quarterbacks, right, it was like a fucker and Tanner

(01:38:31):
and Tanner McKee and I'm just like what why Like,
I would much rather Jake Hayner than this kid.

Speaker 7 (01:38:37):
I liked j Cayner a little bit, a little small,
but I liked him.

Speaker 6 (01:38:39):
We are onto the sixth round, and yes we are
already made their first pick. The Patriots are sitting at
ten in the sixth round. They also have fifteen. They've
got a choice at thirty three and thirty seven. Four

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he picks in this round.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Oh so they're also just to mention, not past catching this.
But running backs still has some running There's still some
running backs on the board. That would be Juice fawn
is still on the board. Dwayne McBride from UA B
is still on the board. Sean Tucker from Syracuse is decent,
Kenny McIntosh, Chris Rodriguez, Zach Evans. Yeah, there's still some

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The running backs are not gone yet.

Speaker 7 (01:39:22):
My Syracuse source says, don't sleep on that.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
Sean Tucker is a decent player. I know you.

Speaker 6 (01:39:30):
It is not Aaron no Robin Robin san Diego via Connecticut.
I'd like to push back a bit on the Day
three messaging that if the first two picks pan out,
then this was a good draft. I agree with Paul's
initial take on Day one that Bill kind of lucked
out with Gonzales falling. If you like him, just pick

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him at fourteen, especially if you're not trading up later.

Speaker 5 (01:39:54):
Can we move on.

Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
I'm not sure how any of the other picks helped
the Patriots this year or couldn't have been f later
in the draft, freeing up space for at least one
offensive skill position player. The team is constituted today after
free agency and the draft cannot compete with the Bills
on paper and are up for debate with the Dolphins
and Jets. I agree with the callers that mister Krafts
words are ringing hollow as Bill does the same thing

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and the team is not becoming more competitive.

Speaker 7 (01:40:21):
Before I let the guys go in with the real analysis,
I would just ask give me the five guys they
should have taken in Day three that would have allowed
them to be on par on paper with Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
I don't think that they could have really done anything
in this offseason other than changing the quarterback. I could
have given it in the first I could get Jerry
Juti Higgins to compete with Buffalo.

Speaker 7 (01:40:45):
I could give you the first ten picks today, first
ten picks of the fourth round are all yours. You're
not going to be on paper competitive with Kansas City
or Buffalo. You don't do it with you know, the
hundredth to the one hundred and tenth player in a draft. Disagree,
That's not how it works.

Speaker 5 (01:41:03):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 7 (01:41:03):
That's why I look at it, like, I think they
got good players with the first two picks. And if
those two guys are really good players, you're not gonna
sit there and say, yeah, it was a pretty good draft.
But like we missed out on. Now, somebody that got
taken today is going to turn out to be a
really good player, right, it always.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Happens, Charlie Jones.

Speaker 7 (01:41:23):
But you don't know, Like, no, it's just hard to
sit there and say, wow, they really dropped the ball,
Like they didn't, Charlie Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
I'm not saying they dropped the ball, but they missed
the boat in the top one hundred that if they
wanted to add an impact playmaker on the offensive side
of the ball, it had to happen in the first
two nights of the draft, and by going defense with
those first three picks, they missed the boat then. And
now you're getting into a point where I agree to
that with them to an extent that I don't think

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that there is a difference between the receiver you're going
to get in the fourth round besides Charlie Jones, because
that's my guy, but the receiver you're gonna get in
the fourth round and the receiver they if they do
draft a receiver with one of these sixth round picks,
it's it's a diamond dozen at this point. So I'm
not going to argue with them too much on that.
But I think what go back to my point at
the beginning is that they essentially did not add any

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twenty twenty three talent to the offense via the draft.
They didn't add a single offensive player that's going to
help the twenty twenty three Patriots, and I think that
that is a big indictment on this class, regardless of
how Christian Gonzales and Kean White and Mapu and those
guys work out.

Speaker 5 (01:42:31):
It's funny you say that, because when we talked to
Bill O'Brien yesterday, it almost sounds like he kind of
acknowledged it to a way, like, you know, in his response,
he's just like he's like, look, I'm concerned with the
guys that are here. You know, just one point I'd
like to make though, and I kind of touched on
it last night. It's like, are people really happy with
like the defensive front? Like I mean, is everyone just
ready to run it back with Guy and Godshaw and

(01:42:52):
Barmore and Dietrich Wise and you know, like like you
think that that's that group's going to get you over
the hump against Buffalo as far as that specific position group.
So like, I just personally, I think that you've seen
those guys you talk about, we know what we're getting
out of those guys. You need it to add some
kind of thing in there to maybe offer a potential
ceiling burster that you know, And I think that I

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don't know if White's going to be that guy, but
at least now I feel like they've got a guy
that can fill multiple roles. And if one of these
guys starts to fade and they say, hey, Lawrence, guy,
you just don't got it anymore, Like maybe you actually
have something that can make an impact against Buffalo on
that side of the ball. I know it's not offense
and we're not gonna be able to keep paced with
thirty five whatever, but a good player.

Speaker 7 (01:43:30):
But you make it as long as you as long
as you took a good player, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:43:35):
Yeah, that's and he is. I mean, he's a good player.
I don't know if he's going to be as good
as they need him to be, but I think he
should be.

Speaker 7 (01:43:41):
I just don't know, like if he turns out to
be a really, really good player, how much that impacts
wins and losses? You know, if he's not a guy
who impacks the passing game, right, And that's a question. Yeah,
I'll see him play and I'll.

Speaker 6 (01:43:52):
Say, oh no.

Speaker 7 (01:43:53):
But like I mean the obvious example and not apples
to oranges here, I mean not apples to apples. Everybody
in the said Tom Brady. He has all the you know,
all the intangibles, but he doesn't really have like the
arm strength is in question. The first day Fred Bryan
and I went out to rookie Mannie Camp, I was like,
he throws the ball. Fine, what are they talking about? Yeah,

(01:44:14):
Like it was clearly apparent that he could throw the
ball just as well as a lot of other guys
that played in the National Football League. Yeah, like maybe
I'll watch keyon White. Now what are they talking about?
This guy has potential to be an impact player in
the passing game. He can he can get after the passer.

Speaker 6 (01:44:33):
We won't know until preseason.

Speaker 7 (01:44:35):
No, no, no, well you won't know until the season season, right,
But like Dan Klecko was a stud pass rusher in
the preseason.

Speaker 5 (01:44:41):
Yeah, I mean they didn't trade up for him. But
it reminds me a bit of bar Moore, you know.
And it wasn't that like glaring need. But you're in
the second round and you say, hey, we got a
potential impact front seven guy that you know, and to
Paul's point in success, he's an every down player. He's
a guy that's gonna be able to set the edge
and be heavy against the run. And then when it
comes to passing downs you put with the speed on

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the outside, you got Jude on coming off the other
and then you got him and Barmore in the middle
causing chaos. I mean, that's the that's the dream scenario
that he's a three down guy that impacts the.

Speaker 7 (01:45:11):
Run in but at the same time, the other guy
needs to do that too. Barmore Yeah, oh yeah, because
even though he's my crush, you remember this before you
were here, V I mean, yeah, he was bounce back
for sure. Yeah, but a little disappointed. Maybe it's because
of my mind because I had him at a level
maybe that was too high and he hasn't reached it.
But if those two guys could do what you just said,
Mike again, you're gonna look back at this draft and say,

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I got a corner who can cover and I don't
have to hide him when we played the good receivers
and I have a you know, these two guys that
really like not using words like Aaron Donald or anything
like that, but I had these two guys on the
inside that can be disrupted right right to come out ways.

Speaker 3 (01:45:49):
I think that's the key word is both Barmore and
Keon Wide are really similar to the fact that they're disruptive,
but they're not the guys that are going to get
the sacks right right and adds Jude On and that
and that's the idea.

Speaker 5 (01:46:01):
That right they eat the block gets the exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:46:05):
I'm good with that. Sam in Toronto writes in does
anyone find it curious that Bill puts so much stock
in player character, maturity and culture fit over talent when
his favorite player of all time is Lawrence Taylor. Hypothetically,
if Lawrence Taylor was coming out of college today and
was on the board. Does anyone believe Bill would draft?

Speaker 5 (01:46:23):
I like this question, and I've actually been putting some
thought into that, and I think that there's two things.

Speaker 7 (01:46:28):
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:46:28):
I think that there are certain players that are just
freaks that he can't stay away from. They're so good
at football. He's got to overlook some stuff. But I
would say generally, I think he knows how things go here,
and if you're not like one of those guys like
I mentioned earlier that's a football nerd and lives eats,
breathed football, you're not going to be set up for
success here. So I think that that that's somewhat of
a degree because you know, because of him, like I

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know a lot of guys that have been successful without
that trait. Oh yeah, but because of what he does.

Speaker 7 (01:46:57):
He knows he's not going to pick you. He knows,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
It's funny. I was talking to Matt Light about the
thing I'm doing on Dante Scarnekia, and he said something
to me that really didn't stand out for this piece
and necessarily but standed out about his career with the
draft coming up, and he said that he hated watching film,
He hated football.

Speaker 7 (01:47:14):
He never saw a game.

Speaker 5 (01:47:16):
Yeah, he was kind of one of the guys that
popped up.

Speaker 3 (01:47:19):
He hated watching film, he hated meetings, He couldn't stay awake.
He said he walked in his first day getting here
after the draft, and he walked up to Dante and
he said he was trying to convince Dante that he
could sleep during meetings and and everything would be fine
if he didn't pay attention during the meetings. And then
he also told him some great stories about how he

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would just you know, mess with Dante, you know, and
play pranks on him, like, you know, replacing the remote
with the remote that will zap you instead of one
that you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (01:47:51):
And I'm thinking to myself, this is.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
A Red Jacket player, this is a Patriot Hall of Famer,
and we're talking about a guy. But then when we
get to the draft, we get emails like that, and
there's some merit to it that they want these football guys.
It's like Matt Light was the total opposite of that.
He was just good at football and he just made
it work.

Speaker 7 (01:48:11):
It's just Lawrence Tail, you know, to the email, like
I think that he would rather have, Like listen, I
don't remember what the talk of with Lawrence tail off
the field was when he was coming out whatever, but
I think he would rather have guys like Lawrence Taylor
the second go around. That's when he lost the talent,

(01:48:34):
like you know. But now but now they've flamed out.
Well for whatever reason, they're available and now I get
them on my terms. I think he'd rather have that situation.
Then I'm taking this guy number two, because everybody loves
this guy. I mean everybody like he's a can't miss.
I think you'd rather have it. Well, he missed and
now I'm going to fix them.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Yeah, there's some guys in this draft, like just talking
about Mapou and some of the linebackers that went around there,
like Tomorrio over from Texas was a guy has a
very very similar skill set like this hybrid safety linebacker
two hundred and twenty pounds, really athletic. But Overshown has
been hyped in the draft for two straight years now
because he might have come out as a junior. He's

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a five star recruit, he played football at Texas. He
just my guess is that he's that type of guy
that just thinks he's s doesn't stink and like already
knows that he's a big man on campus. Whereas this
Mapu kid from Sacramento State's gonna come here with a
chip on his shoulder, a work ethic, a guy that
you know, Mike, you were talking about how he grinds

(01:49:34):
tape and all this kind of stuff like that. In
the third round, like, yeah, I think they would rather
have the culture fit. Maybe at the top of the
draft they wouldn't care as much, but I think in
the third round it does matter to them.

Speaker 6 (01:49:46):
Richard in Ohio says, I want to make one thing clear. First,
we are not winning the Super Bowl this season. I
don't see why people are going around like chicken little
screaming the sky is falling. With these Day three picks,
rounds one through three, all three players will start, that's
my prediction. But these Day three guys are for the future.
We always have this draft grief every year. I don't

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understand it.

Speaker 7 (01:50:10):
Well, it's just it's the it's the We don't always
have this draft grief.

Speaker 5 (01:50:14):
It's the sum of the parts of the last few seasons.
And you know, you're just you're getting to the point.
As I said before, where you can't afford to miss
on these guys. They have to find some blue chip
players that change games. And you know, maybe you're right
those first three picks, they picked, what three guys on
each level of the defense, Maybe they do all pan
out and maybe those three guys form a new core
of a defense that fits more into the modern game

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because it didn't fit the offensive needs that you know,
we're so desperate for after last season, and it's such
a triggering thing after watching that offense and how inept
they were. But I do think that there's something there
of you know, maybe maybe there are some some pieces
on defense that you know, can carry you into that
next kind of level, that different kind of football that
we feel like they need to play.

Speaker 7 (01:50:53):
Yeah, and I know that it's like a little snappy
thing like they're not going to win the super Bowl
this year? Okay. I mean I would probably agree that
no matter what happened this draft, they weren't going to
be a Super Bowl contender. Can I expect to be
closer to.

Speaker 5 (01:51:04):
That goal after a draft against the good teams?

Speaker 7 (01:51:07):
You know, That's what I'm saying, Like, Can I? And
what I'm hoping is, as we've been talking about Christian
Gonzales makes you a little bit more prepared to go
against some of these high powered passing games, and that
helps you. And we just talked about key on White
like kind of the last segment about how him and
Barmore could help you be a little bit more disruptive
in the front seven. And if that happens, then I

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think you are a little bit closer because now instead
of having a defense that's let's face it, let's let's
be honest, is paper tigers. They beat up on a
lot of bad teams and they struggle against good ones.
Now you have a team that beats up on bad
teams and is competitive against the good ones possible. So
that makes you closer to where you want to be.
What's wrong with that?

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
I do wonder if they looked at the thing along
those same lines. I do wonder if they looked at
their roster and they said, in order to get one
side of the ball to that point where we're competitive
with the really good teams in the league, we don't
have the draft capital to do it on both sides
of the football in this draft the way that the

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board was shaking out, so instead they really attack defense
early in the draft and now maybe they feel like
they have the defense settled, and yeah, we still need
to worry about the offense and that still has glaring needs.
But I don't know if they did what we could right. Yeah,
I don't know if they felt like they could do
it all right in this draft. It's not like they're

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the Texans that had they had two first round picks.

Speaker 7 (01:52:31):
You just got to hope that they find a way
to retain the guys that you deem worthy of retention.

Speaker 5 (01:52:36):
I mean, you know, on the flip side, just looking
at the defense's depth start right now, like it's intriguing
to me. I mean, you know, I know, I know
they have some questions with you know, mccordy on the
back end, but you look at Mills, maybe he can
slide into that role. But with all the strong safeties,
with bringing Peppers back, with having Marcus Jones and Jack Jones,
you know, what are they going to be like in
their second seasons? There's some pieces here. And I would

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just say, lastly, like if I looked at that front seven,
you know, more of the defense line guys without Keyon White,
I would be underwhelm right now. I'd be like, it's
the same group. If Barmore gets hurt again, it's the
same group, the same kind of problems. There's nothing there
that played reasonably well last year, wouldn't you say? I
thought they did a decent I thought they were improved
against the run, and I thought that they did a
great job of I mean, maybe you could argue that

(01:53:17):
they schemed up the pressure, but I mean they were
among the league leaders in sacks, right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
Yeah, No, I don't think Maybe they always, you know,
they always scheme up pressure. I'm not going to say
that they didn't, but I think josh U j really
took that next step as a pass rusher and became
a real force for them.

Speaker 5 (01:53:32):
I'm really anxious if he takes another step and White
kind of integrates into the pass rush a little bit,
maybe if he's able to get some push and you know,
upgrade whatever they got from a quality last year. You know,
I mean, there's there's there's some pieces here, for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:53:46):
Paul and Arkansas says, I cannot believe the absolute crying
and moaning. Did the writer really say Bill doesn't know
how to build a team. We just drafted a lockdown
corner and all American linebacker slash safety hybrid and stocked
up on lineman depth. Would we desperately needed replaced our
forty year old kicker who doesn't have a leg. Come on, people,
we're beholding.

Speaker 7 (01:54:06):
An a linebacker from Sacramento.

Speaker 6 (01:54:09):
Defense as of right now on paper is one of
the best in the league.

Speaker 5 (01:54:12):
Defensive player of the year too.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
The what writers, Okay, yeah it was the email. I
just want to make sure that everybody knows we didn't
We didn't say anything.

Speaker 7 (01:54:25):
You know, But I mean, can you talk about a
ridiculously overly optimistic view of the I mean, if if
Marpoo works out and I'm wrong, great, fine, an All
American linebacker they draft safe safety linebacker hybrid from Zacrimento State.
Like to Evans's point, if they took the same pick
with Overshan, I at least would be able to say

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he did it at the highest level. The size wasn't
a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:54:53):
About an hour ago we talked at length about Gerard
Mayo working with this guy and trying to get out
just I don't worry about him mentally at all. I
worry about whether or not he's physically gifted enough to
make a jump from Sacramento State to the NFL. That's
the only thing I have concerns about.

Speaker 6 (01:55:08):
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:55:10):
He's a film junkie. Great, I don't worry about him
being prepared. Yeah, I worry about him being able to
play at this level.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
And as good as he was at the senior boy there,
I mean, I mentioned the screen where he got flattened
by the Minnesota Center, but there are he's he's gonna
get blocked if he gets caught right like he's he's
one of those guys that needs to win with his
explosiveness and with his athleticism. The second that he gets
caught by an offensive lineman, he's gonna end up in
the ground.

Speaker 7 (01:55:36):
Might have been able to play like a hybrid role
at that size because of the level he was playing at.
Like I mean, Matt Milano is not that much bigger
than that, right right, Evan. I think it might have
been off air, but Evan brought up Matt Milano a
long time ago, and he's not that much bigger. But again,
you know, Boston College is not Sacramento State. He played

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in the ACC.

Speaker 6 (01:55:59):
Let's go to Tyler and Marylyn, one of our last
callers of the show, what's up, Tyler.

Speaker 26 (01:56:04):
But going on, guys, hey, seeing how the draft played out,
if party all wondering should we have taken maybe Za
Flyers or Christian Goan Zaliz just seeing how it's played out,
I'm glad they like that.

Speaker 7 (01:56:19):
No, I would have been okay with that. I mean,
I like, I like Gonzalas. I'm fine with.

Speaker 5 (01:56:23):
Yeah, I would I choose Gonzales over over.

Speaker 7 (01:56:27):
Okay, I like Gonzaldies. That was my dream.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
The two second guesses I'm going to have from this
draft at the receiver position are not maybe not Jonathan Mingo,
like because I think he got drafted at thirty eight
or thirty nine, so you could have packaged some picket
picks to move up and draft a guy like Jonathan Mingo.
And then Downs like those are going to be the two.
If Downs ends up being a good player in Indianapolis,

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that's gonna be. That's gonna be the one that's gonna stay.

Speaker 5 (01:56:54):
Assume here this year.

Speaker 6 (01:56:56):
Patriots are two picks away, so we're going on for
that pick close to four. But we'll stay on the air.
That Patriots pick always given you more. Yeah, we'll stay
in the air till that tenth pick of the sixth round,
number one eighty seven overall.

Speaker 7 (01:57:12):
Three again pick you're out, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:57:15):
The Jags, the Jaguars, pick is in, It's then it's
the Titans, then it's the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:57:20):
Nothing and like it.

Speaker 6 (01:57:22):
So while we're waiting for that, Connor in Boston says,
not sure if you guys have mentioned it yet, but
fifth round pick Antonio Maffi has two Patriots connections. He's
Devin Asiassi's cousin and went to the same high school
as Brady and San Matteo.

Speaker 5 (01:57:37):
Grow up of Patriots fans.

Speaker 7 (01:57:38):
We did mention the high school I didn't know about.

Speaker 6 (01:57:43):
Okay, let's see. Colin writes in love the coverage. I
was almost as excited that Deuce and Evan had Gonzales
on their big boards as they was that we drafted him.
I'm really let down we passed on all the wide
receivers and tight ends in the second and third round.
My question interior o line picks, is there any chance
they are thinking of bumping on when you or strange

(01:58:05):
to tackle?

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
Not strange?

Speaker 5 (01:58:08):
I actually, I mean we did talk about that already
a little bit. I mean, what about it when you
trade and everybody wants to trade somebody going into the
last year of their deal.

Speaker 3 (01:58:15):
Let's trade one of the good players we have.

Speaker 7 (01:58:17):
I really don't like that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
I understand why you're thinking.

Speaker 7 (01:58:21):
No, I do too. I get the why. I just
don't want it. If you could get a player, you know,
what is that? What are you getting from Michael?

Speaker 5 (01:58:27):
Well, you package him in a pick next year, maybe get.

Speaker 7 (01:58:32):
You You're not getting Jerry Judy for a guard. Well
I shouldn't. I shouldn't say you're not because I never
dismissed the abject stupidity of the remainder of the league.

Speaker 5 (01:58:42):
I wish someone could talk me out of it, because
I just and I and this all came about because
of the cold strange thing. It's like with a guard.
I don't mean to disrespect the position, but it's just like,
even if you get the two absolute best guards in
the whole league, does it make that much of a difference.
That's like, is it that much of a difference then
if you had the two most average guards in the league.

Speaker 7 (01:59:02):
Much lesser extent. That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:59:04):
With like bar More and White, I think that the
the other because I'm going I'm going more positive I'm
trying to be a little bit more sunshiny because I
agree that getting all hot and bothered by fourth round
picks is probably not the right thing to do. I
do think that you can take some solace from this
draft that they hit at the top of the draft
on what I do really believe is a premium position

(01:59:26):
in corner. And I think they would argue that defensive
end is a premium position on their on their in
their system, on their defense. So this is not a guard, right,
And I think that you're just talking about all these guards.
It's like that that was the problem with with a
pick like Cole Strange, was that that position just inherently
doesn't move the needle. Yeah, it just isn't a premium

(01:59:47):
position that is going to make a difference in your team.
So they got they got some players in here at
the top of the draft that at least are at
positions that you can say that's a number one corner,
that's maybe another wrecker on the defensive line, and that
matters against a good team.

Speaker 6 (02:00:03):
Jake and Chicago says, somebody get Evan off the ledge.
I'm thrilled to have some depth. We have a pocket
passer in mac Jones, and he had zero time last year.
It starts with the old line. They have plenty of
pass catchers. Even Born commented last season that Mac needed
more time.

Speaker 5 (02:00:19):
So why does depth at the offensive line help that?

Speaker 18 (02:00:22):
That's what I don't understand that I was thinking the
whole thing, unless you're gonna tell me that that the
competition between all ten of those guys is going to
produce an unknown result that is far, will far surpass
what we've seen.

Speaker 7 (02:00:33):
Because no matter what happened, like, it's not a good sign. Like,
if you're trying to tell me they need better than
what they had last year, then that's not good because
they drafted the guy last year.

Speaker 3 (02:00:45):
Yeah, but I would also just say that my whole
point is not Okay, fine, great, you got your depth
offensive lineman.

Speaker 5 (02:00:52):
Oh why can I say it out loud?

Speaker 7 (02:00:55):
Are you excited?

Speaker 5 (02:00:56):
I'm excited?

Speaker 6 (02:00:57):
Oh? Good for the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
For the Patriots a receiver.

Speaker 5 (02:01:00):
The Patriots have drafted Kaishawn Boute from LSU.

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
He got a receiver.

Speaker 5 (02:01:06):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
You like him?

Speaker 8 (02:01:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:01:09):
Y I don't.

Speaker 7 (02:01:10):
But here's what I do like about it? Where they
picked him. Yes, because this is a guy who should
have gone like heading into the year, he would have
gone like five rounds earlier.

Speaker 3 (02:01:21):
Okay, so this is the thing.

Speaker 7 (02:01:23):
So that's what I do like about them.

Speaker 3 (02:01:24):
This receiver class had a lot of concerns and question
marks around the league. This is a player that if
you if our lads had made their guide a year ago, yes,
the number one receiver in this class would have been Kashan.

Speaker 5 (02:01:38):
They have been him absolutely, and going into.

Speaker 3 (02:01:40):
The combine, both Sparta and I were extremely high on
the player because you see a lot of explosiveness and
contact balance after the catch especially, and he went to
the combine and he bombed, like there's no doubt about it.
He absolutely bombed the combine and that brought up questions
not only about his athletic profile, his work ethic as well.

(02:02:01):
One hundred percent exactly where I was going. But he's
an ultra talented receiver. There's definitely some upside with this
pick and some real optimism that he could be something
if you can get that twenty twenty one version out
of him. I really wonder if they met with him
in this process, if it's a secret thirty visit we
didn't know about or something like that, because there's some

(02:02:22):
there's some character concerns with the player. I mean, you
talk about what he did at the combine, you talk
about how his career at LSU ended. I don't want
to get too much into it on air about how
it ended at LSU, but it wasn't pretty, I'll put
it to you that way. And you got to make
sure that he's screwed in tight, right. You got to
make sure that his head's on straight. But there's no

(02:02:43):
doubt about it that the kids talented. He can play football.

Speaker 6 (02:02:47):
Yeah, I mean our LATS has him as a third
or fourth round pick.

Speaker 7 (02:02:50):
Yeah, this is one where I'll take it because I
deserve it, because it's hypocritical. You can absolutely could a
size me for being a fraud. I love this pick.
I don't love this player, but I love the pick
and I understand how hypocritical that is. And I'll take
all the criticism that the you know, the listeners want

(02:03:11):
to give me. This is a guy. Is exactly what
Evan said. I remember the first game of the season,
I believe LSU and Florida State played. It was like
Labor Day weekend and everything was boote, boot Te boot Te.
This kid was like the second Coming and I'm watching
and I'm like, I'm part of the family, and he
was and he was really he was really quiet in

(02:03:32):
the game, and they were talking about getting him, you know,
on track, and I was like, Oh, this guy's really good.
This guy's really good. And then his stock jass went
down and down and down. And there's a lot of reasons,
but there's talent there.

Speaker 4 (02:03:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:03:44):
So when you get a guy like that in the
sixth round, I love that pick. If they took this
guy in the second round, I would have hated it.

Speaker 6 (02:03:51):
Yeah, this is this guy's a project, you know, he's
He was called out by Brian Kelly to get back
on track publicly, like Evan said, he didn't leave LSU
on the best of terms. That's going to be an issue.
But Dane Brugler says he's a confounding evaluation because he
shows the athletic talent to be an NFL weapon, but

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his effort level doesn't always match his ability, and most
scouts view him as a slot only prospect. Though he
has NFL starting skills, the unpredictable nature of his game
complicates his pro projection. He's got him in the fourth round, though.

Speaker 7 (02:04:27):
Fourth fourth round. NFL dot Com too. This is a
good like talent's not going to be why he doesn't
make it.

Speaker 6 (02:04:33):
So he had red flags on a lot of boards
and that's why he slipped.

Speaker 7 (02:04:36):
So that's why I love the pick.

Speaker 6 (02:04:37):
So, Bill O'Brien, here's a guy for you.

Speaker 7 (02:04:40):
Him straight.

Speaker 3 (02:04:41):
So he's the thing that stands out to him with
him immediately is his ability to run with the football.
This guy has that you know, contact balance and explosiveness
with the football in his hands to really pick up
yards after the catch in bunches. I think a guy
that people really compared him to a before it all
went off the tracks for him was Deebo Samuel And

(02:05:02):
I'm not kidding like that was the guy that a
lot of people thought that he was going to be
and then it just completely the you know, the earth
kind of fell apart for him. I don't think he's
gonna be Deebo Samuel good. I think we can all
agree in that. But that's the sort of you know,
a stout frame, compact build, good explosiveness, can run through
arm tackles, and he's got some really flashy college tape.

(02:05:24):
There's I am excited. This is a pick that at
least they got one of these guys in this draft
that you can say brand name player, Kai sham Boute,
somebody that we all knew I was in the draft
guide like all that kind of stuff, And we'll see
what happens if they can get him screwed on and
this is gonna be somebody that can make an impact.

Speaker 5 (02:05:44):
I just wonder what the last year's been like for him,
Like you know, was he was he kind of flying
high and now he's been humbled a bit or you know,
or is he just kind of a loose can and
then they're gonna say, hey, we get him in the
building and get him on the he'll be okay.

Speaker 7 (02:05:54):
And it's gonna be a second I think it's the
second one based on the combine, Like you think that
would have been a humbling experience to come out that season.
You would get himself ready to go. But like I said,
sixth round talent won't be why he doesn't make it.
Everybody was really really high in this kid after his
first two years and then it didn't come together, you know,

(02:06:15):
you know last year. I just I love the idea
of this kind of a pick.

Speaker 6 (02:06:21):
You know, Paul's a big LSU guy, So this you know,
I know you're making fun of me, but you wear
their stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:06:26):
This was just all that we wanted. Yeah, it wasn't
too much to ask for. No, all we wanted was
a receiver, sodside. Yeah, and I'm excited. Take your guards.
You got your guards. I got my receivers. We can
all be happy. You still got four picks.

Speaker 6 (02:06:38):
Left, all right, they're still time to turn out a week.
We ended the show on a high note. The Patriots
have another pick coming up in a few picks there
number fifteen one ninety two overall, and obviously picks after that,
so Patriots dot Com will keep you informed of all
of that. We've got a lot more coming up on
the website and social media. We'll be back on Tuesday

(02:07:00):
at our regular time at noon to wrap up the
whole draft and you know, give us our overall thoughts
on everything. Later on tonight live on Patriots dot Com
will be Matt grow He'll wrap up everything the Patriots
have done throughout the process. So lots more coming up,
but for now, thank you for listening, Thank you for watching.

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