Patriots Unfiltered 5/11: NFL Schedule Release Day, Germany Game in Frankfurt, Tom Brady to be Honored During 2023 Season

Tune-in as we discuss the news that the Patriots will be playing the Colts in Frankfurt Germany in Week 10 of the NFL Season. On schedule release day we talk about Patriots opponents and which games we are looking forward to. Plus, we discuss the news that Tom Brady will be honored during a halftime ceremony at the home opener and at various times throughout the 2023 season.

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Speaker 4 (00:29):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm not going to say a word.

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Speaker 3 (00:34):
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Speaker 5 (00:37):
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
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bringing the bell. It's actually trags. How close is Kansas
City to Chicago? I don't have an Atlas with me,
but I'm going to say. You know what I'm saying,
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say you. I just said you were.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
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would ever want to be is up your butt.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
This is Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
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That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
It's Thursday here at Jillette Stadium and we will be
talking some Patriots here for the next couple hours.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
It's Deuce back on the hosting chair. Fred's got some
boss man responsibilities today.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm here with.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
Paul Perullo, Evan Lazarre and we got some stuff going
on today. We're obviously waiting for the schedule to come out,
and they was an announcement this morning. Tom Brady is
going to be coming back for the Patriots home opener
this year, announced by Robert Craft this morning on NFL Network.
And I just got to say right off the top,
for all the people who are writing in saying is
that it is that all they're doing. Watched the video

(01:51):
and he said, this is just the start of many
ways to honor Tom. But this seems like a simple
way just to get him back in the building and
you know, kind of bring them back into the fold
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
But I don't think this is the end of it.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
So a lot of people reaching out on Twitter and
emails are like, is that it They're just going to
have like.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
A you know, have them at the game. No, no, No,
it's the beauty and then the dowb like, you know,
the downfall of Twitter because people are you know, the
beauty is you get some information, right, you know, Robert
Kraft said Tom Brady's going to be honored, But then
people didn't actually see what was said, and I think
they some jumped to conclusions, including my buddy Chris with

(02:28):
a t I a n who evidently couldn't figure out
that Robert specifically said. And I think I wrote in
my original tweet, it's the first of many chances to
honor Tom Brady, So this is not going to be
the only time, promise.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
I don't know about you, guys, but my phone is
already blowing up with people asking me if I can
get them tickets to that game. I've already had three
people reach out to me about tickets and we don't
really anyways, that don't don't don't add us about tickets.
All right, Sorry, I love you all, but please please
don't know just.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
That Paul, he's the one who gets the thing. Yeah,
no one asks No, one asked. No, that'll be a
tough ticket to had a requestions Taylor Swift.

Speaker 7 (03:08):
No.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, a lot of people in the in the thirty
eight requests that I got for that next weekend. Unfortunately,
I had a lot, a lot of let a lot
of people down on that one, but not everybody. No,
I got some people, you hook some the important people up.
I did well.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
I basically did it in order of people asking me, Yeah,
that'll be a big weekend. I I think I think
I mentioned my uh my son Campbell's about that his
eleventh birthday next week. Just wanted a limo to a
dance next Friday. Calling around. There's no limos available because
this Taylor Swift Night. Everything has been completely cleared out
for his so he will not be taking a limo
to his fifth grade dance.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
It'll probably be my wife driving him and my pathfinders.
So sorry, buddy, that's kind of like a limo. Just
so you know, you'll be coming up on his therapy
session in about fifteen years, right. I wanted give me
amo for my fifth grade dance for my eleventh birthday,
not not eleventh birthday. Yeah, I was going with the
fifth grade dance. It was just eleventh birthday, I said

(04:00):
in front of Lane, like, I've only been in a
limo twice in my life. One was my junior prom
and the other was my wedding. And she's like, that
wasn't a limo. We just got a car. I was like,
all right, then, I've only been in a limo once
in my whole life, my junior prom. But uh, what happened?

Speaker 8 (04:10):
Like you drive around?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
I'm sure like in you're like town, you ever drive
around and there's like a column. No, no, you're just
driving around. There's a house and there's just kind of
a limo on the side, often parked there, and you wonder,
does this guy have a side business? Is just a
lot driver? I see it all the time, random limit.
I don't live in the posh suburbs like you do,
so these other people who are driving that I don't
have people just like pulled over to the side.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
This is the guy who like bought like an eighties limo,
fixed it up and now it's his side gig.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
And occasionally he's like, hey, you need someone for a
sixth grade dance? I got upstc Yeah, your gut. You
know he's got the little hairy Stewart Masterson is ready
to go. And they did dances for fifth grade. We
didn't do that.

Speaker 6 (04:47):
No, no, neither did I, but I gave him credit
for wanting to do it, you know, in a limo.
I thought that would be would be kind of fun.
But I don't know, I was kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
I know a guy with the black SUV that he
does this for a living, you know, he drives people
the airport mostly and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
But maybe I can hook you up. But if he
wants to have a bunch of fifth grade boys that
they didn't want to go with the girls, they wanted
to go all boys, We've completely gotten off the rails here.
We're five minutes into the show.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
I apologize for that, but but obviously the big news
of the day as we tack back.

Speaker 9 (05:14):
To the.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Celebrate. I am not one that I know a lot
of other people agnostic when it comes to the schedule.
Just tell us where it is. I know there's been
some reports out there. Everything will be coming out at
at eight o'clock tonight, along with all the schedule release
videos that that our whole team put a ton of
work into. So we're excited to I'm excited to see
that out there. Yeah you haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
I haven't seen it, so I'm excited to see that
and I know that it's a lot of work has
been put into that by a lot of people in
our department, and it should be cool. And I think
in general I used to be into the schedule. Now
I'm not going to lie. It's mostly just about okay,
how can I structure the next six months of my life?
More than anything, And I understand that that is nobody cares.

(05:59):
So I do find it interesting how much juice this gets.
And I do think it just is because people are
starving for any sort of football in the middle of
the summer. But in general, for people like us, this
dictates our schedules.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
You know, it's like getting your work schedule right, here's
your assignments right.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yeah, but for fans, I do find it interesting. But
with Brady coming back, I had one thing to say
about that. I think for all, I don't want to
speak for everybody, but for me personally, I felt like
the way that he left there was such little closure in,
such little appreciation for what he brought to this city, organization, everything.

(06:39):
So it's nice to finally get to to kind of
close the book a little bit and say thanks and say,
you know, give him the deserving send off. I just
I hate to this day that Tom Brady's last moments
as a Patriot are walking off the field losing to
the Titans in the playoffs at home and what was

(07:02):
maybe one of the most just underwhelming playoff performances of
the whole era.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
It just it was a rock fight. It was an
ugly game.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
They didn't play well, obviously, and just to go it
felt like you went out limping as a Patriot. And
and that's that's stung.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
Logan Ryan picked six, Like, yeah, I think we were
riding down the elevator maybe like when that happened, I
don't remember.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Did we see that live or was that was that
when we saw it? We saw it, Yeah, and then
we decided, okay, that's our cute to break up the
post starting to show.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Uh yeah, I agree with you though, And you know what,
I think, COVID hit and then he and then he
announces that he's leaving on social media and it's very disconnected.
Everybody's very disconnected at that time with COVID anyways. So
there just was never a moment or a period of
time where fans could say thank you, fans could honor him,
and uh, the other thing is just it's great that

(08:00):
he does want to be a part of the Patriot
organization again, and he does want to be associated with
the Patriots and and really put himself back into that
mindset of of being a lifelong Patriot. So I hated
how it ended. I'm glad this will hopefully rewrite it
a little bit.

Speaker 6 (08:19):
I kind of found myself thinking a little bit on
the Tampa Bay game when he came back here this
morning and just you know, now, as it's a couple of.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Years in the rearview mirror, just of a what a
cool experience that was, like that we actually got to
see that, like, you know, just once, but still like
you know, at the time, it was so you're so
wrapped up in.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
Everything going on with you know, the team and Bill
and man Tom and O Tom, We're going to go
back there, you know, all the other kind of noise
that went with it. But now it's like in retrospect,
it was just like, what a cool thing that that
actually happened, that he got to come back here and
play that. It was you know, a pretty entertaining game,
and you know, just to I don't know, I don't
know if it would be of course, his career is
what it is, and nothing could could add more to that.

(08:56):
But just what a cool thing that he actually got
to come here and play a game, you know, and compete.
I think that's that's kind of a fun thing now
that's that's happened, But plenty of people weighing in on
that and the schedule release and everything. We also heard
from a couple guys today, Evan and I went down
to her from Devon Godshaw, who talked a little bit about,
you know, getting everybody back basically on the defensive side

(09:18):
of the ball except for Devin. And then we got
to hear from James Robinson for the first time, so
he talked a little bit after signing here coming off
a kind of a weird year last year, going from
the Jags to the Jets, coming off a torn achilles.
Spoke a little bit about that as well. So, I mean,
he's a little bit of a wild card this year.
I'm not sure exactly, you know, how you look at him,
if he's coming in to replace Damien Harris, or if

(09:40):
he's just kind of all right, compete against these two
rookies from last year. See if those guys have made
any strides and you kind of have a veteran there
to at least provide some insurance. But we've been talking
a little bit aout the running back position. There's some
interesting stuff, Yeah, there is.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
I think people always are interested in running backs for
whatever reason. In Time Montgomery, I think, is another name
that is kind of this mythical creature that we all
saw at training campus. If you weren't out at training camp,
he didn't really get to see a ton of time
Montgomery and live action. And there was some good things
that he did last year, especially catching passes out of
the backfield. It felt like he was trending towards the

(10:14):
third down back role being his until he got injured
towards the end of preseason and then obviously in Week
one against Miami. But with James Robinson, I think what's
interesting is that his contract structure basically guarantees him nothing.
He's not guaranteed a roster spot, he's not guaranteed a
role of any kind. So he's going to earn it
here with the Patriots. And as much as it's not

(10:36):
to pick on James Robinson, but you would like to
hope that Pierre Stronger, Kevin Harris kind of beats him
out for opportunities. I think that he's sort of a
backup plan to those two guys, especially Peer Strong, Like
you really hope that this year is the year that
Pierre Strong. Maybe he had that Damien Harris rookie red
shirt style season and then he comes on this year

(10:56):
and is a factor. If you're turning to James Robinson
in Time Ongomery because those two guys didn't pan out,
then you kind of missed on the draft picks right,
and there was a lot of guys in the fourth
round that went around Pierre Strong that are productive players,
that were good players, and then Isaiah bicheck Will obviously
went in the seventh round. So if you look back
on it and you get nothing out of those two guys, know,

(11:18):
pre mad, I'm mad about something that hasn't happened yet,
but no offense. I just kind of feel like James
Robinson and Time Montgomery shouldn't be major factors. If everything
works out the way you want it to, those guys
should be. One of them will be on the roster
as the fourth running back, but in general, it should
be the two second year guys that are taking on
the load left behind by Damian Harris.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
Absolutely, Well, we got some some emails rolling in. You know,
shoot us our email web radio at Patriots dot com.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Give us a call eight five to five, Pats five
hundred be here for the next couple of hours.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
You know, people are writing in about schedule leaks and
all that kind of stuff. You guys know where a
little bit in a weird, weird spot to talk about
all that stuff. But yeah, well we'll see everything will
officially come out tonight and then we can we can
all chat about next week. But I just any any
particular games you guys are looking they're looking at on
the schedule.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
In turn, not for me, but you know, Evan and
I were talking before the show started, and I agree
for me, it's all about the holidays, and there are
you know, there's a cycle that goes around where Christmas
and New Year's fall on the weekends, and it was
last year like that, it's this year like that. So
the full slate is on Christmas Eve. There's three games
I think a triple header on Christmas Day. So I mean, obviously,

(12:31):
if you're not playing the Thursday night game heading into
Christmas weekend, you're going to be playing on Christmas again.
So that's that's all I would care about. For me personally,
I already know who they're playing. I know where they're playing,
and you know, we did find out about the Indianapolis
game in Germany, but we knew they were playing in
Germany for one of the home games. It's the Colts,

(12:52):
and otherwise I'm not all that interested. You know, Thanksgiving
last year, they have a chance to play on Thanksgiving
this year Dallas because they have to go to Dallas.
You know, we'll see that. That's all I would care
about is holidays. Yeah, yeah's I mean, that's that's us.
What are those days going to be? I I'm just
curious too.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
I always look for like the division games and how
does it kind of break up they've had the last
couple of years. It's been, you know, weird where they've
had like Miami has been the book end. They played
the Jets in the middle and then they like bang
out Buffalo twice in like December and the last you know,
so that's kind of fed into how the season's gone
the last couple of years. Always curious to just about
when do you got to go to Buffalo? When does
Miami got to come here? When do you have to

(13:33):
go there? Are you're playing in Florida, you know, in
the in the heat, or are they coming up here
in the cold?

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Maybe both?

Speaker 6 (13:39):
But the division games are huge, And of course Aaron
Rodgers and I think what was what was revealed that the.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Jets opening game? I think was was revealed? I think
I think, well, is that official Monday night game? Jets Bills?
Just bill Jets Bills opening Monday night week? One minute?
And I did see the opener itself, the NFL kickoff
Lions Lions Chiefs, So Lion's getting a little bit of
I don't know, it's like I heard somebody saal national games.

(14:07):
I guess as that's I mean, that's a big window,
the NFL opener, And I know they don't want to
put necessarily the best possible matchup on that, because it's
going to be a great rating anyway, but they also
don't want to put a lousy one. And I think
there's probably some optimism in Detroit that they haven't had
in recent years. You want to make sure you capitalize

(14:27):
on that. Like let's just say, for argument's sake, you
wanted to put Lions at Chiefs in primetime. Well, I'd
rather do it in week one than week nine, because
all due respect to Dan Campbell in the line, there's
a chance that they're you know, three and six, you know,
going into to week ten or something like that. You
don't want to run that risk. So Week one, you know,
there's a lot of optim optimism heading into that game.

(14:49):
Like think about last year. You know, the Rams are
playing because they were obviously defending Super Bowl champs. It
was a great matchup Opening night, It's Buffalo against the Rams.
You know, if that Buffalo Rams game took in Week twelve,
it was a you know, would have been terrible with
no buzz.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Yeah, I think that's what the primetime game slate. I
always look at that because it tells me to the
teams that the NFL trusts are gonna be good and
you know, they trust the infrastructure of the organization and
the team and the roster is gonna be good enough
that you can schedule a December primetime game and not
worry that it's gonna be Russell Wilson two point zero

(15:25):
and you're gonna have this horrible Broncos team on primetime.
Six times in the second half of the season like
last year. Yeah, So that's I thing something that's gonna
be interesting now. I know there's more flexibility with the
flex scheduling and getting those games out of there. But
you always wonder teams, certain teams that kind of on
the fence about to you, if you're gonna give them

(15:47):
primetime games because they have enough juice to be in primetime,
do you do it early just so that you don't
run into that because I can see a couple of
teams the darlings of the offseason, just like the Broncos
were last year being a Broncos some of one of
those teams that's not going to work out, like somebody
is gonna get it.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Right to me, is a prime candidate for that. Now.
I think that they have some some pieces, and you know,
I think they added some intriguing guys in the draft too.
But I'm not going to be stunned if they're like
stumbling around same as last year or they did here
in that game, I thought, I to Paul, I wanted
to highlight the entire team. That's another ruck something you said.

Speaker 6 (16:25):
Though that I thought was was insightful, as you know,
to do just just the fact that it's the Colts
that you're losing, because it's a big part that you're
going to lose a home game for the Patriots to
go to Germany, and your course excited to go to Germany.
It's a home market now, all that, but you do
lose a game here in the revenue that you get.
But it being Indie with Anthony Richardson at quarterback, a
little bit of transition going there. If you're going to
lose a game, you wouldn't want to lose Kansas City.

(16:46):
You wouldn't want to lose Philadelphia, you know those prime
marquee games.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
I think it was the worst game on the home
schedule out of the nine home opponents. I think that
was probably the one. You're going Washington Commanders, New Orleans, Indie,
and I look at the two NFC teams as teams
that you don't see regularly, even though New Orleans was
just here a couple of years ago. The way it

(17:11):
worked with that extra game, they lined up with the
NFC South third place team, I think that ended up
being New Orleans. So by happenstance, I would have chosen
the Colts. The only thing about the Colts to me
that is at all intriguing right now is Anthony Richardson
and when he plays, And.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
I do think yet by that point of the year
he might be playing. Yeah, I don't think he's I
don't know if he'll be he you right away, but
I think by week twelve you might have him in there,
So that that would be exciting that yeah, if we
got to go all the way over there, that at
least like Anthony Riddinson will be there.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
And if you're you know, I could see that like
let's say he starts playing, maybe plays four or five
games and he show you know, like remember Deshaun Watson
when he started to play in a little bit and
it only took him three or four games before you said, Wow,
this guy could play. And if that's like that, then
maybe we'll look at it and say, oh, I wish
that Colts game in Fox. They get the dust off

(18:03):
the old Bill Belichick versus rookie quarterback stats that always
get get thrown around and thrown about.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
But yeah, the Commanders was one for me too. That
was just kind of but as you said, you don't
really get to see those those teams a lot. But
I mean the Chiefs that I mean that that now
will be a home game now that they're not you know,
going to play I mean, I know Kansas City's playing
in Germany as well, but that game will be here.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
So that's good news. Philadelphia will be here.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
You mentioned the Saints Chargers too, so you know, getting
a little cross section here, some good young teams, I think. Uh,
and of course going to.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Jerry's World, which I saw report that that there's a
Thanksgiving that they're going to play somebody on Thanksgiving, not
the Patriots, so I'm I saw Washington tied to them,
but I don't know if that was one of the
ones that was announced. Yeah, so so you know, we're
all that's why we're not getting into, like Mike said,
you know, we're not getting into what is official and
what isn't official because we don't know. We're not going

(18:56):
to touch it. That's right, that's right. But a couple
of other things, the housekeeping things.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
So we did pr officially announced that we'll get some
access to a couple o t as in a couple
of weeks. That went out last night, so that will
be believe two weeks from today will be the first
time we'll get a glimp glimpse at them and then Friday, uh,
and then I think the.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Following week, so scheduled for three practices.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Last year, I think we only got two OTAs and
then we got too mini camp practices. Mini camp will
be then the following week, So a lot going on.
I mean, it'll be you know, it's it's like the
off season. But you're also like, we're meeting.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
With guys, the schedules coming out, they're gonna be. They're
having a food truck party out there as well. We
don't mean and even't tried to walk what's this? I know,
I think not for us.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
No, it was kind of we tried to cut around
because now the new media area is down over at
E two, so we just went to walk out and
around in front of football, but it was all blocked
off and they had a bunch of food trucks there.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
So I assume this is one of those spring player activities,
team building team. I thought, I thought, you know, the
special people upstairs were giving access to something, especially food.
Looked like there was an ice cream truck to got food.
Go for some food right now, But why didn't you
order something? I know I forgot and you know It's
just we do have a wonderful new service here, but

(20:07):
I always we do have a one I didn't know
about the pork mac and cheese. That sounded like a
little bit much uh for me today, but let's uh.
Rob Rob called right in, So I'm gonna jump over
to the phone here just a little bit early here
and let Rob from South Carolina check in. Hey, Rob,
what's going on?

Speaker 10 (20:22):
Hey, how are you guys doing today?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Good?

Speaker 10 (20:24):
Good, good, Well, I'm gonna probably do your proud Deuce.
I'm mainly the reason why I called in is because
I'm actually kind of upset by the fact that they're
gonna celebrate Tom Brady in the first seasons.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah right, Can I ask, with all serious what why
would that in any way upset you?

Speaker 10 (20:48):
Okay? So I was I'm sort of joking, paul.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
A, right, Okay, I thought you were, But then when
you didn't laugh after it, I was like, Deuce is
the only one I know that doesn't want go do
it Tampa, because I am I'm on a panel here
with three there's three of us, and two kind of
just have no more use for Tom Brady. So I
never know, I like I would think that I'm in

(21:12):
the majority of people who you know, respect to Brady wrong,
but I'm not. He's winning me back ever since, like
I don't know about eight am this morning.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Yeah, no, when I saw that come across my phone,
I was like, come back, Dad, please let by gone?

Speaker 11 (21:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Right, okay, Well, you know my apology.

Speaker 10 (21:32):
Making emotions like you're you're excited because of what he
did for the franchise and then you kind of feel
like the tilted lover because he left. And I was
really upset when he left, simply because he had a
chance to do something that very few players get to
do in this day and age, which to stay with
the team that they're dafted them. And so that was
my primary, uh fault if you will, with him leaving

(21:56):
h And the main thing was it was he was
the one that changed, not Bill Belichick. And I'm not
trying to defend a chick. I'm just saying, like, over
the twenty years, the only one that changed was Tom Brady.
So that was where my source of frustration came from.
But I am glad that he is coming back and
he can retire hopefully a Patriots.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, I would agree with Rob's assessment. Then what Brady
changed and Belichick really didn't, or at least more than
Belichick did. But I think that the decision for him
to leave was Belichick's. Yeah, like more so than Brady's kind.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Of related l from Wisconsin and a email, than just
saying maybe Brady's last game would have been so tough
and disappointing if the GM could have built a team
around him rather than throwing scraps and hoping Brady could
pull them across the finish line.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Thank you, Elle, But I mean that's uh, I mean,
I can't be upset about things that happened five years
ago anymore. No, Yeah, that's why I feel like with
the Tampa game too, I just feel like I have
a different perspective.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
Not that it got me all worked up or anything.
I mean certainly didn't lead up to it. I mean
there was a lot on the you know you just a.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Friend used to get mad at me because I was
just like so tired of By's coming back. That week
was a long week of that, well, because it actually
was a long four weeks of it. Once the season started,
it was that it was just like, forget about the
first three weeks, It's all about this game.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
And I was like, yeah, the nineteen thing, though, does
it is interesting like in terms of the team around him,
because I don't think it. I truly do not think
that the nineteen offense was due to a lack of trying.
They just didn't try correctly. Like they drafted to kill
Harry in the first round.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
You know they what is that this new year two? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Yeah, they traded for Mohammed Sanu at the deadline. They
drafted Nikil Harry in the first round. They signed Antonio Brown,
which we all remember in the beginning part of the season.
In the first month, they just didn't hit on the
moves that they made. And you can blame the GM
for that, like that, they poorly evaluated the talent or
whatever you want to call it in the nineteenth draft.

(23:58):
But if ni kil Harry he ends up being the
player they thought he was going to be, then is
it they they used the asset like they tried to
get him in another weapon when Gronk retired and they drafted.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
The receiver in the first round, Tamarus Thomas in the
I mean not that he was still but you know
they were they were throwing stuff at the They were
throwing stuff at the wall.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
That's what. It didn't work. No, it just didn't. And
I mean the Mohammed Sanu think can still make you sick.
Trading a second round pick for that guy. Yeah, he's
been in the news. He wants, he wants to come back.
Not he he was done four years ago. I remember
him being like, you know, he just was so confident
when he got here that it was all going to
be great. And you know, I remember the squeeze the

(24:39):
Baltimore game. Wasn't the Baltimore game that he caught a
bunch of passes.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Yeah, he came out of the gate pretty well. Yeah,
it was Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
I think that was a rough loss, though I don't
I forget. Yeah, oh yeah, he was one of the
bright spots Mike mixing up years. It's not like people
you're I think you're right. I don't know that sounds
you're you're dead on with sinew And I remember him
catching a bunch of like insignificant, like eight yard passes. Yeah, yeah,
but he had like a lot of them, and everybody
was like it was against Baltimore. If I'm not mistake.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
He got injured to he injured his ankle at some
point when he got with the Patriots, and I think
it was on a turning a punt, yeah, because they
had to put him back on punts, right, and he
injured his ankle, and that at that point he that
was it. He was already not he's already at like
seventy five percent.

Speaker 6 (25:25):
And then I think he hit on a pretty good
Evan like because I it's not that they didn't try, Like,
I think that there were a lot of, you know,
things you could point to that, well, they drafted a
first round receiver, they traded a second round pick for
a receiver. You know, the Antonio Brown thing blew up.
I just it goes for me as always goes back
to the draft. You know that was there was just
the picks that you missed on and Harry being a
primary one. Although at that point, you know, what were

(25:47):
you expecting him to come in and do I mean,
even when you're still going to get ab early in
the season, it acknowledges like we don't expect me kill
but by that point they had to because he was hurt.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
Right, So even if nikkil Harry and up being a
fine player, like even if he ends up being Sony
Michelle or Isaiah Winner, one of these first round picks
that they've had recently that hasn't panned out in terms
of being a ten year Patriot. But was just somebody
that gave you some game, gave you something, yea. Then
it's totally a different conversation in nineteen because the defense

(26:18):
I wasn't great, and I know that a lot of
it was fools gold early on in the season for
that defense. But I still think that defense was good
enough that if the offense had been pulling it side
of the rope, that they would have been a more
competitive team down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Than they were.

Speaker 6 (26:34):
Well L from Wisconsin writing back, and sorry, Evan, he
says you're wrong. So lets you say, talking about twenty nineteen,
I'm not going to give BB credit for trying. He
had been a coach for like twenty years. We don't
get a trophy for trying to draft the same receiver
that week.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
When I'm critical of Bill and I'm questioning the greatest
coach of all time, and who am I to do that?
And then when I say that he tried, then I'm
not critical enough. I I don't know, well, I mean,
he took some swings at that part. I mean they
took some swings and the noise, ignore the noise. Yeah,
I was just looking up snow from that year and

(27:11):
it was right. I think we all had it right.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah. He had ten catches for eighty one yards in
that Baltimore game. He had twenty six catches as a Patriot,
Like it was just this one day where he caught
a bunch, in my opinion, of insignificant short passes while
they were trailing by two scores. Yeah, there were a
lot of hot so they were never really in. Yeah,
they were never really in that game.

Speaker 12 (27:29):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
And you know, just looking at the rest of it
before that, it was two catches, two catches, three catches,
one catch, two catch, three catch, three catch, and he
missed a game like just nothing.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
I do remember standing in front of his locker when
they first made the move and him talking for the
first time, and he was the juice and the squeeze
and he was like, I'm I'm here, and I'm it's
gonna be great.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I got this.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
And honestly at the time, I liked his game for them,
like I thought they he would translate well as a smart,
shifty route runner, good hands like I did think that
he was a good a good pick up for them.
He just didn't have the juice anymore.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
He just didn't have it. I mean kind of. I
mean it would have would it be back to comparison
to say, somewhere in the in the realm of Juju,
of of kind of a big slot calmparison, compay, comparison,
apologize the same in the in the world. I mean,
I Juju got a little bit of juice on the
on the hoof, I think like Juju has left in

(28:30):
the No, no, no, I'm not trying. I thought he
looked like a guy was big slots pretty close to
you know, yeah, not known for their quickness, but you know,
outstanding athleticism necessarily, but yeah, good route runners, strong, you know.
You know s new was a good player in Atlanta. Yeah,
just not for for us, even in Cincinnati. I think

(28:50):
he had some MOMENTSINNT. I forgot about those early years
in Cincinnati. I got overshadowed by.

Speaker 6 (28:56):
Kind of him being on Atlanta during Super Bowl fifty
two and all them Arry going on or Super fifty one. Sorry,
you know, all the talk going on with him on
the sideline being like man, they got Tom Brady like
they seemed to know, they knew what was coming.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Ryan. I don't feel bad. Let's speaking to Ryan. Let's
let's jump to Ryan in Virginia. Hey Ryan, what's going on? Ryan? Hello? Ryan?
One stop eating sands. Oh he's on the other line.
All right, we're hopping over. Hey Ryan, what's going on in.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (29:33):
You guys teaching real right?

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Yeah? There are you?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Good?

Speaker 11 (29:36):
Awesome, great off and on listener. First time caller, just
really quickly want to shout out Bill Murray as it
will be Marry Brad. I hope fourth year is the
charm and he finally cracks the roster. But I got
a two things for you. I don't know if you
guys saw at the top of the show the announced
that Week one will be Eagles Past. So I thought,
what a great.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Way to honor.

Speaker 11 (29:59):
The Eagle A big plug.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, I haven't heard that. Now, I'm not telling you
what's wrong. I'm just saying I haven't heard anybody announce that.
So there's some reports that that's the game. But now
I'm talking about like the league not official. We should
get those.

Speaker 11 (30:14):
Yeah, a good game. The other thing I just wanted
to touch on you guys mentioned the top of the
show was the running back room. We didn't draft anybody,
so that's what got me a little concerned, was just that,
you know, that's the position with the most wear and tear,
and knowing that our running back room right now is Stevenson,
great back, got a little banged up towards the end

(30:35):
of last year, Robinson who's coming off big injury, and
then two kind of rookies who haven't really proved anything yet.
So just wondering, you know, if there's any level of
concern there for you guys, and if we need to
bring in anybody else no pleasure, Yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
I mean look if I mean if Montgomery and and
and what's the space the Robinson are like healthy is
just what we just talked to him.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
If those guys aren't healthier or don't really can't really
get back to what they were hoping they might be,
and the two rookies from last year don't really develop
and all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
If you feel like yeah, then then maybe you're in trouble.
When in Remandre, you know, it gets hurt, then the
JJ Taylor.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
H No, I mean I think that at least on paper,
they have a good combination of young guys that they've
expended draft picks on, and you know, remandre Is is
clearly the one a piece, but I don't know, I
haven't completely ruled out Robinson a monk army. I think
with running back, you kind of acquire these guys, put
them on the roster and just see how it plays
out with competition and injuries, and don't try to get

(31:44):
too attached.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I do think they're replacement. But I think Robinson, you know,
in his ability to catch the ball too, I think
as a as a complimentary piece, maybe take some of
that burden off of Stevenson that he racked up a
lot of touches as a receiver. So I think that
that Montgomery, I'm not really expecting anything from enough because
I don't think he's a good player, But I just think,

(32:08):
you know, at this stage, we haven't seen him for
so long healthy, it's hard to just pencil him in
for a role.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
You know, if you know, Fred likes to say those
kinds of guys, that's gravy. If we show up in
training camp and we see him like he was last year,
darting around and looking like he could fill a significant
piece to the puzzle great, but I'm not expecting that.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Yeah, I think that there's maybe just I understand that
we didn't get a lot of exposures to Pierre Strong
because he didn't play much in regular season games, but
there's some juice there. And I just think in the
West Coast trip last year in Arizona in Vegas that
I saw enough that at that position, of all positions,

(32:49):
those guys are so replaceable, and I really feel like
Pierre Strong is somebody that with more opportunities and more touches,
I think he's gonna flash a little bit more. And
even a guy like Kevin Harry, So I think the
biggest thing with him was ball security, and he did
put the ball on the ground a little bit in
the summer, and that's going to concern them. But if
he fixes that, and he's somebody that can at least
run between the tackles and get you some yards as

(33:11):
a power back on first down, so I'd never worry
about running backs. It's just they'll find somebody to run
the football, and it's more about everything else.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Do you think that they're actively trying to get away
from having a specific third down back and they're trying
to maybe acquire players that not so much Harris, but
I almost feel like between Ramandre Robinson, what's his face right, Montgomery,
I do think that that's wrong. All those guys are
pretty balanced. I do think that was a big part
of it last year. And I think we saw it

(33:41):
in the summer a little bit in preseason games where
it was, Okay, this is going to be Damian Harris's series,
and you know in a preseason it, this is going
to be Stevenson's, this is going to be Montgomery. She
saw them out there on first down, carrying the ball
on third down, being candidates to catch the ball, and
I think they do want that. However, I think that

(34:03):
when they saw it actually play out that way, I
wonder if they're looking at it and saying, this is
why we didn't really do a lot of that in
the first place, because I think Stevenson ended up really
wearing down, yeah, playing too much because he had to
play too much. Yeah, I think that there's a all
the play calling tendencies last year got messed up because
he was calling the place. But they they the years

(34:26):
before that, the years before that, you know, they were
very predictable based off of personnel. You know, they have
Sony Michelle in the backfield with James Devlin and the
power eye, and like seventy percent of the time that
was a run and the other and I heard a
lot of criticism for Josh McDaniels with regard to exactly.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
What right, And then the other thirty percent was play
action off of the run. So you knew that you
were getting into that sort of game where they're going
to be under center, it's going to be their power run,
or it's going to be play action off the power action,
And that was just a that it was going to go.
And then last year they ditched a full back, they
become a little bit more unpredictable in theory, it just

(35:07):
didn't work out that way because of how the sequencing
of the plays went about. But I think maybe with
Bill O'Brien that they were able to mask it a
little bit more. But I also think that statistically their
early down offense was really good because they did run
the ball well and then the play action was effective
because they married it up and they had the whole
thing going. So I don't know how much that predictability

(35:29):
necessarily really hurt them in those offenses because they were
so a productive off of play action because of how
good they were running the football behind James Devlin.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
So I don't know. I just wonder if if it's
a little bit of something that you're trading off because
James White was just so effective as a passer, and
those guys that we have all can catch, but are
any of them really moving the needle like you know,
like like James White did as a receipt I something
to be accounted. I do think Montgomery has the potential

(36:00):
to be like more like White than the other guys
because of his background as a receiver. I think he's
a better route runner because I understand what you're saying,
Mike It there's one thing, like I think romondre Stevenson
has every bit uh effective catching the ball as James
White is like soft hands ability to actually physically catch
the ball. But I think setting up linebackers and you know,

(36:22):
reading the zones and doing those kinds of things, I
think James White was was special in that regard. He
didn't do it because he was so much faster than
everybody or you know, obviously not bigger and stronger than everybody,
but he understood how to set linebackers up, find those
matchups out in space. And I don't think Stevenson o'harris
last year, Damian Harris now were as effective like that

(36:44):
as as James White was, but they could catch the ball,
you think, like just it never looked like that, like
some of those like wheel routes.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
Remember from James White up the sideline where Mac hit.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Him, you know, just streaking. I mean those aren't really
Remondre's kind of plays. I'm not going to hit Romond
downfield so much. But I don't know, just something something
to wonder. And I do think Montgomery could be like that.
We didn't get a chance to see it, and so
everybody wanted to make peer strong that per Strong didn't
really do a ton of that in college. No, And

(37:12):
I wrote his profile last year and talked to his
coaches about it, and he actually the coach actually put
it on himself. It's like, you know, we probably should
have dialed up more, but we didn't want him to
be one of these guys that was getting all of
these touches and getting worn down that way. But I
think that everybody looked and said, he's not the biggest guy.
He can fly, Oh, he's got to be a third

(37:33):
down back when he really didn't have that in his
on his resume coming in.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
Yeah, that was one hundred percent of projection with him
coming in, and I think a lot of the people
he talked to because of the skill set just assumed
that that's that was the goal with him, was to
be third down back. And I still think he could
do it, but learn it though. Yeah, Like the big
thing for me is with the third down back is
literally third like third and four, and you can't always

(37:57):
throw the ball down the field, Like if you can
get somebody matched up underneath on a linebacker, you can
sit down between a zone or something like that that
keeps you on schedule, that moves the chains. And I
think when you don't have a mobile quarterback that can
pick up third and four by scrambling, you kind of
have to have that safety valve or that outlet, you

(38:17):
know when Mac gets under duress or gets pressured, you know,
blitzes or whatever, that it's just to dump off to
the running back and you can get five yards on
third and four and you're moving the chains and you
get a new set of downs. They missed that last year.
I think they had it early with Stevenson. It felt
like he was able to do it until he started
to wear down a little bit. But I think that
they missed that just security blanket. Just dump it in

(38:41):
the flat on third and three and makes a guy
miss and all you know, we're still moving the chains,
even though the pass is a shorter pass and theory.

Speaker 6 (38:48):
It is just kind of interesting the things that they're missing,
and by choice. But they don't have a full back anymore.
They don't really have a blocking tight end anymore. They
don't really have a traditional water bug slot receiver kind
of guy, you know, like it's just a lot of
the thing third down back, like a lot of those things.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
You just you could go back through all of that.
That's good, Paul. You could go back through.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
History and you can kind of name what guy that
was in almost every different version of the Patriots offense
that you saw over the last twenty years. And right
now they don't really have those pieces. I don't know,
it's just interesting. We'll see where Bill O'Brien takes it.
But phones are stacking up.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
And one more thing, I wanted to add a third
down back just I think a lot of people like
they hear us say, you know, one of the things
that they're down back really has to excel in is
the blitz protection, right, you know, the blitz pick up.
And it's not so much. I mean, it's a big
part of it physical obviously, but I think most guys
can stick their nose in, get in the way enough

(39:41):
to give the quarterback enough time.

Speaker 9 (39:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Certainly guy like Tom Brady, like he didn't have to
want to, you didn't have to take him out. But
to me, it's more understanding when, when and where the
pressure's coming from and the experience that I think it
takes to sort of pick up on that, you know,
the subtleties of the games that they play and not
getting fooled. Yeah, you know, sure, and I think that
that stuff that probably we saw it would be bigger

(40:05):
obstacles for a guy like Peter Strong than the physical
act of getting out. It's tough converting a third and four,
as Evan said.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
Right, especially in the old blocking system. I don't know
what it's going to look like now with Bill O'Brien,
but a lot of the times those running backs would
have dual reads, so they'd be reading too, you know, Okay,
we're four over three.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
On this side. If this guy comes and I have
this guy.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
But if this guy comes, then I have to take
the nearest threat to the quarterbacks, so I actually have
that guy, and you have to make those determinations post snap.
And then they also have full, full scans, right, So
you might be put in blitz pick up and all
you're looking for is that second or third level guy
that is coming that you're not expecting. So it's not
a pressure look. But they send a late, delayed blitz

(40:46):
up the middle, and now you're responsible for going tackle
to tackle and scanning through the entire line of scrimmage
to find the guy that you're supposed to block. So
those are the reasons why a lot of those guys
red shirt and don't get on the field early on
is because of that. And it's it's a difficult way
about doing things. I don't know how they did it
last year, to be honest with you, but that's how
they've done it.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
I used to say it all the time, like if
you go back, everybody says, well, that's why they do it.
In Foxborough. You are running back and you sit out
a year, and I say, that's not necessarily the case.
If that's the kind of running back that they project
you as, you're probably going to have a red shirt year.
If you're going to be James White, Shane Verreen type guy,
they're probably going to indoctrinate you a little bit slower

(41:25):
if you're a guy that they project as like a
true bell carrier. I've seen many guys come in and
step in right away and it get significant carries as
a rookie. Ridley r. Maroney. Yeah, Ridley and Maroney did it.
I mean they didn't necessarily have to be the guy,
but they they will allow you to carry the ball

(41:48):
because I think it's pretty obvious. It's that's more of
an instinctive position where you come in, you get the ball,
you avoid the guys trying to tackle you.

Speaker 11 (41:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
That was like James. That was like James Robinson today,
Like what do you think your game is? Like, I
don't know, get the ball, play football. Yeah. I think
it's interesting too with the like even Ben Jarvis greenellens
off the practice squad and I think he ended up
getting a thousand Johns.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Those those guys back then though, had the full back
and and I do find that it is interesting. And
I remember Remandre talking about last year that he actually
prefers to run without a full back because he's so
instinctive and he has that feel between the tackles to
just kind of, you know, like Le'Veon Bell used to
just kind of waited out and then pick the right spots.
But for a rookie coming in when they when they

(42:30):
were just like just follow James Devlin like he's going
to hit the hole and you're going to find the
hole through him.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
He left out the most obvious, most recent sony Michelle
right right. It was like a huge part of your
offense found the stretch and in the playoffs as a
rookie and it was just running the ball.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
Follow again behind you, follow the battering ram. Now you
have to there is a little bit more of a
read involved, right, that's correct, There is a little bit
more of a read involved now without a full back,
because you have a little bit more, say as a
running back about where exactly you run lead iso at
the full back, you're hitting one spot.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Right, all right, let's you can go back to the phones.
I'm gonna jump. I'm gonna jump to the phones. They've
been holding on out here. We got Willam from Philmy
and what's going on?

Speaker 13 (43:10):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 7 (43:11):
Like? How you doing?

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Good?

Speaker 5 (43:12):
Good?

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Thanks for calling in?

Speaker 7 (43:13):
Okay?

Speaker 13 (43:15):
Anytime? Do I say, who do we play at?

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Play?

Speaker 13 (43:20):
Week one? I think do y'all know already?

Speaker 6 (43:23):
No?

Speaker 13 (43:23):
No, do you want to say nothing?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
No, you could talk about we just we're not like
we can't you could. You could say whatever you want,
just fishing from anything or you know, okay, so you
can say, I mean you can week more.

Speaker 13 (43:36):
Okay, how you feel about it.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
I think if that's what it is, it's a big matchup.
I know they were playing Philadelphia at home. Yeah, I mean,
I mean, what week it is?

Speaker 6 (43:46):
Well, I would say to that, like, I mean, I
just I think there's something interesting in that the Eagles
are getting a lot of love right now. They're kind
of the darlings that the Patriots were at one time,
and you know, everyone loves their drafts and what they've
done and for good reason. And they just paid Jalen
Hurts and they seem like, you know, the team that's
not quite Kansas City yet but is right there with him.
So I think it's it's just no matter when they play.
I think it's an interesting, you know, kind of old guard,

(44:07):
new guard kind of game.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
I wish it was a different game. It's a measuring
stick game because that's that's one of the best teams
in football. If you want to say that there were
one hit wonder, maybe they won't be as good as
they were last year. Maybe I'm not banking. I'm not
banking on that. I think what you've seen with Philadelphia
over the last couple of years was Jalen Hurts sort
of getting the job definitively and they went nine and eight,

(44:30):
squeaked into the playoffs and were very competitive in Tampa
in that playoff game. And then the next year they
picked up aj Brown and went to another level along
with picking up some defensive pieces on short term contract
like guys like Hassan Reddick, James Bradbury. If they added
to a defense that was already talented and now I
think they want they're one of the best teams in football.

(44:52):
It's a bad matchup out of the game.

Speaker 5 (44:53):
Yeah, it just is like that offense, the quack quarterback
r PO college style offense is really what it is.
And then defensively, you just mentioned the bookend to edge
rusher's like Riley Reefs Hassan Reddick right out of the gate,
Like that's gonna be throwing some people directly into the fire.
If the Patriots win that game, I would be elated, like, Wow,

(45:16):
you came out of the gate and you won that.
That's that's a statement.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
It's already has them under five hundred.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Yeah, I mean that's but on paper, like, that's just
a terrible matchup, Like regardless of when the game was playing,
whether it was Week one or week sixteen, just on paper,
that's a horrible, horrible matchup. And I think that at
least later on in the year. And I hate to
do this, but like maybe somebody gets hurt in Philly,
you know, I don't wish that upon anyone, but maybe,
like you, later on in the year, you get lucky

(45:44):
and like AJ Brown is dinged up and he's and
he's not one hundred percent or something, but out of
the gate, you're not gonna get You're not gonna get that.
So I don't Yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
I don't think it.

Speaker 13 (45:54):
And Mike, it's just just two more things. And that
did okay, you go okay, And to the to that
caller that called last time, that not that thought I
wasn't necessary. I just want to put this out there.
I listened to Patriots on filter from the time you
get on from Tom Pitcher filter get on to that
get off. I was gonna say something smart because I
but I said, no, I ain't gonna do it. I'm

(46:15):
gonna let that. I'm gonna let that ride. But I
just want to make that caller known. You know, I
ain't got the earphones. Then now this times you're just
handing me through the phone. So I hope I sound
better this time.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
You sound great time.

Speaker 13 (46:26):
I live it at that last but not least, Evan,
are you really trying to piss me off?

Speaker 14 (46:30):
Really?

Speaker 13 (46:31):
For twenty nineteen when he got the hair, are you
really you was on my good side?

Speaker 9 (46:36):
Are you really.

Speaker 13 (46:40):
The greatest culture of all time? When he drafted that bomb?
Are you serious? He spent more his time on ir
than playing than playing in the game.

Speaker 9 (46:48):
Are you serious?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
I don't know what I'm saying. I don't know what
I'm getting yelled at.

Speaker 13 (46:52):
Come on, you you you've seen Tom. Tom was pissed
off man. He said, look it.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Because Tom scouted to kill Harry and knew that he
wasn't a good player.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
They missed on the pic. No one's denying that, no
one's disagreeing. But the idea of drafting a receiver in
the first round was to give Tom Brady help.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
It didn't. They picked the wrong guy. I don't know,
what do you? What are we arguing about? And they
picked the wrong guy on purpose because they hated Braid?

Speaker 13 (47:18):
Are you the same Evan that was going off not
too long ago time out?

Speaker 10 (47:21):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (47:22):
They took a guard and was going off.

Speaker 13 (47:24):
Remember that.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
What are we arguing about right now? He wasn't a
good player.

Speaker 9 (47:29):
What are we arguing about?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Yeah, I don't even know, but it sounded good. He
always brings the passion.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Than I know I did. I never said to Kila
is a good player? I know you just said that
it was the idea was It was clear that they
had an idea of improving the offense, and just everything
they did didn't work right. Like they deserve criticism for
picking the wrong guys.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Absolutely, could you feel the hill turn on that one?
On that calle age he was talking about his phone
and then all of a sudden, he's like.

Speaker 8 (48:01):
And Evan and they were just like you were my boy.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
I'm not allowed to say that they that they tried
by drafting to kill Harry but just can't. Even if
it's not negative involving that guy, then it's just killed.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Let's head down to North Cakilaki, see what Todd has
to say. Hey Todd, how guys?

Speaker 9 (48:20):
I want you guys to get on Deuce now, since
we've already talked Evan. Deuce was on another show and
he was like Debbie Downer, you know, he was god.

Speaker 12 (48:28):
He was that different than usually made heart sound like
the positive.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Heart was all over me about my my negativity. But
I didn't believe you were bad.

Speaker 9 (48:37):
I didn't even know what you say.

Speaker 12 (48:38):
I thought it was like Eric Skeal.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Said they were going to go nine to eight. I
mean that's optimistic.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
Building on that, That's going to be my question. What
do you think the record will be this year? And
give me one positive thing that's going to lead to
it and maybe one thing that's going to hold them back,
and that's that's all I'm gonna watch. I don't want
too much negativity, Duck.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
I don't like doing records either, but I think that
there'll be similar in record as they were last year.
And the reason for my optimism is Bill O'Brien, right,
My reason for negativity is an overall lack of weaponry
and explosiveness on offense. Yep, it's a fair point. I
agree that is that general and broad enough.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Their schedule what one of the hardest of the league.
It's one of the hardest in the league. Whether you
look at Vegas you know, win totals or like advanced
metrics or whatever. They have a top five hardest schedule
in the league by pretty much every measure.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
And I think that when we look at what the
Patriots have done, and I do think that I'm encouraged
by the draft because I think they got, especially at
the top of the draft, guys that can help right
away at least I really really hope. So if they haven't,
then we have we're having a different a different problem
in a different conversation down the road. Okay, I think

(49:55):
there's reasons to be encouraged by that, but that isn't
necessarily well. People automatically looking they say, well, they won
X one year and they added this, this and this,
so they're gonna win X times three. And it doesn't
work that way because the other teams have done that too,
change too, and you have to play some teams that

(50:16):
you didn't have to play last year that are good
that So in other words, maybe if you played the
schedule that they're playing right now last year, with what
they had, maybe they would have been lucky to win
five games. So now you've you're adding, well, they've added
to that what they had last year, so instead of five,
they win seven or eight. You know, that's you know,
like it's impossible to go just year to year. And

(50:37):
the other thing is what we were talking about with
the schedule at the very beginning. Detroit is on the
opener right because right now people were saying, huh, if
I had to make a pick for NFC North Champ,
I'd go with the Lions. I think I might do that.
I might feel that way too. Sure, I ain't gonna
be surprised if they're like six and eleven, No, no way.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's a the schedule, never know, because I'm
and I know this is hard to believe because I've
been pretty negative at times about this team this offseason,
but I'm actually cautiously optimistic that they're going to be
better than people think. I just I like I think
that angle of it, and from a mindset standpoint, I
do think that that Bill still still thrives off of that,

(51:22):
Like I think he can use that, and I think
he can thrive off of that. And I keep going
back to the fact that they won eight games with
everything that we now know that was going on on offense,
and they still clawed their way to eight wins. So
with Bill O'Brien, it should be better if the schedule
was easier than I would predict a lot more wins
than I think some people would, like I'd say they

(51:43):
could win ten or eleven games, yeah, but the schedule
isn't so.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, Like I would, I would look at last year, right,
just specifically last year, I think that they probably would
have won the Raiders game if Bill O'Bryan was the
coordinator because I don't think they would have been behind
seventeen to three in the first place, right, you know,
to have to make the comeback that they did, you
know before ultimately losing the game. I think that's an
example of how it could be better. But it doesn't
work that way because you don't know what the Raiders

(52:08):
are this year, and you don't know what you know.
How that's all gonna unfold you. You were studiously looking
at your phone. Well, I wanted to bring up the
Mike Gardi tweet from a few days ago, which we
didn't talk about it. I just thought it was interesting.
Bill O'Brien's impact already being felt in Foxborough talked to
a source who said the receiving group, for whatever reasons,
last year coaching talent attitude. There were a lot of
bad plays on tape this year that won't be tolerated.

(52:31):
To do it right or you'll be standing next to
him watching. I just thought that was interesting for a
you differently understand if you no, I know, And that's
what I mean.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
There are some things in like I mean, I think
the thing on tape which we talked about last year
during the show where it was just like, you know,
I mean, evn't talked the spacing being completely off, you know,
not knowing where you're going. I mean, all those things,
and you know we can talk about which guys were
you know, we're kind of the prime suspects.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
With that stuff consistently. But I don't know, I just
it was less the content of it that interest did me, Paul,
and more just like this is the message we're getting
out right now that that stuff won't be tolerated this year,
you know, and which not imprising with Bill O'Brien, but
I just thought my thing is, I don't think it
was tolerated last year. I think that when we were
sitting here on various postgame shows wondering, where's Kendrick Bourne,

(53:17):
Where's you know, where's Devonte Parker this week? Why does
DeVante Parker have one hundred yards this week and then
the next three weeks combined he has thirty? Right, I
think they weren't tolerated last year. And unless you're telling
me that the biggest culprits of not doing what they
were supposed to do were Jacoby Myers and John Smith
and they've been replaced with guys that will do what

(53:37):
they're supposed to do. I don't really know how that works.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
Yeah, yeah, I think last year the biggest thing, and
we talked a lot about the spacing and things like that.
I think the problem with that stuff was that it
just never seemed to get corrected because it never got
better on film, Like so if it was okay, we
had these issues in week six, but then by week
twelve we were better at it, then it's like, okay, well,
then proper corrections in the proper coaching points are being

(54:03):
put through the players, but it just never they never
got it down.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
And I think the biggest thing is when you look
at offense, that's a good point and I will fix. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
I think offense is like this, especially when you tell
a player that you're running a five yard out. It
being a five yard out matters. It being a six
yard out is not what we have in the playbook.
The playbook says it needs to be a five yard out,
and that those types of things. I go back to
what Logan Ryan said the other day about about Bill

(54:34):
and that he had that ability to look around the
field and know what everybody you did wrong or right
on a play and correct.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Unles you're asking about it in the post game, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
Correct eight, ten, twelve guys maybe on one play on
both sides of the football, and those that type of
ability to see it live and in real time is
so valuable that I think a guy like Bill O'Brien
can do that because he coaches offense and he knows
offense inside and out. So when they're out on the
practice field and you know, someone runs a four step

(55:07):
slant instead of a three step slant, he's going to say, hey,
so this is supposed to be in three right, Like
you're supposed to break on three steps here, And the
reason is because when you didn't break in three steps, well,
now this guy's route is now hugging into your route,
which is now bringing this defender into your pathway. And
that's how those kind of domino effects happen. So I'm
hopeful that those little details are going to get cleaned up.

(55:28):
He's not going to make these players exceptionally more athletic
or faster, or it's more explosive, but if they can
be better at those little details like how many times
last year did it feel like it was third and
seven and then they ran a five yard pattern and
you're just like, that's what how do you use?

Speaker 3 (55:44):
That's what I meant, like, I didn't really understand the
way the tweet was worded, because I agree with Evan
in this regard that Bill O'Brien will set up an
offense and he'll structure it in a manner that makes
much more sense. We've I've already seen it. It's not
like something and we have to sort of project. I
saw him here. I know he can set up an offense,

(56:05):
so and I didn't have that confidence with the guys
that were doing it last year, fairly or unfairly. I
didn't think Matt Patricier and Joe Judge were equipped to
do those sort of adjustments. But in terms of like
accountability and they they'd never fixed it. But I think
they never fixed the structure of the offense. They never
fixed the system itself. It wasn't because of guys doing

(56:28):
the same things over and over again and just continuing
to play. Otherwise we wouldn't have spent so much time
wondering where specifically Kendrick Bourne was. And my contention all
year was Kendrick Bourne doesn't play more because at least
once a game when he plays significant snaps, I noticed
him doing something blatantly wrong, whether it's lining up in
the wrong spot, moving when he shouldn't move, or knocking

(56:52):
John hus Smith over on across with people, you know,
I saw him do something wrong on a consistent basis.
He kept not playing right. Then he would go back
and play and make a mistake. Then he wouldn't play
and people would say where is he He's Jerry Rice,
you know, why why are we losing this you know,
dangerous weapon? To me, that was why he wasn't consistently playing. Yeah,

(57:16):
I just remember there was I can't remember. It was
late in the season.

Speaker 5 (57:18):
I can't remember the exact game, but they ran a
route combination to the right side where one guy ran
an under and one guy ran and out and they
just ran right into each other. And I was like,
there's no way that when they put that play on
the whiteboard that that's the way that it looks. So
either somebody had the wrong play or the wrong route,
you know, in that sequence of play, or there there

(57:42):
had to have been some sort of a disconnect and
it wasn't when they put it out on the whiteboard.
They drew up a play where two guys were gonna
collide like that.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I would put Thornton in there too, Like there were
times where he's like coming across maybe in his zone,
and the throw was a little bit and it looks like, oh,
that's a terrible throw by back and surprise here. I
don't always think that was the case. I think that
there were times where he was expecting him to sit
in the zone or stop his route or you know,
he had that problem and he would just keep going.
He would drift and get himself in trouble, and it

(58:11):
just didn't it didn't look right. Yeah, there a lot
of stuff in between the hashes with th Whart, and
I thought last year it didn't look like that's the
way it's drawn up.

Speaker 5 (58:18):
I wonder in like college, like, I don't know how
much sitting in zone versus running away and man is
like how much they are I'm.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Talking about that and you know me, like I'm throwing
terms out, like I don't know if that was well,
it just didn't look right now. No, you're one hundred
percent right.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
I felt the same way, and I I that's the
old the old cliche is you sit in zone and
you run away from man, like that's that's the way
that it's done.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
And and you're coming over the middle.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
You gotta find those soft spots and you gotta you know,
know the distribution of the zones underneath and figure out, Okay,
this is where I can sit running a shallow crosser
across the middle of the field. When there's three zone
guys sitting right, you're just asking for your head to
get taken off.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
But Mike, we can all agree that the setup of
the offense and the organization of the offense will be
much improved. I like that postivity from Paul. I love Billy.
Let's grab one of these calls here across the pond, Jordan,
thank you for holding on. How are you?

Speaker 12 (59:12):
Yeah good?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Jens, how are you good good?

Speaker 12 (59:16):
You just propped on the kind of the coaching side
of it. On offense, you think it's the owners of meetings.
Belichick said stuff about special teams about how he didn't
think coaching was the problem. You know, we were number
one in special teams two years ago, but so you know,
how can that be the problem last year for while
they were so bad?

Speaker 13 (59:35):
Which doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 12 (59:37):
But in terms of look at me as if he's
blaming the players for last year's performance. He's changed kicker punk,
we signed a special teams guy and free agency as well.
But on offense, we've changed the coordinator and the players
are basically the same.

Speaker 13 (59:53):
How do you guys see how.

Speaker 12 (59:55):
Belichick thinks about the blame from last year players was
his coaching?

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Yeah? Yeah, thank short.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
And I don't know if you guys want to jump
on it, but I mean I mean, I do think
that he I mean, look, Patricia's gone, Joe Judge is
supposedly helping out with the special team. So I don't
think it's entirely just like we're just going to let
the coaching stay the same. I don't know how much
of an impact you know, that that actually has, but
you know, and I do think we were talking about
on the show on Tuesday that they've added a lot

(01:00:21):
of special teams tight players in the draft and in
free agency, so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
They've also retained a lot of them. Yeah, I mean,
so it's a big mush of you know, guys like
Slater and Cody Davis, but you know, also bringing in macmcmillan,
bringing back Chris then signing Chris Board, like Chris Board
really was the only free agent addition in that regard.
Everybody else was retained. And I do think that he
thinks that it was more players than coach on special teams.

(01:00:48):
I for sure, Cardona and now like it again, and
I've said this many times, just so I don't get
a blod back in my face. I do not count
specialists with special teams like Nick Folk and Jake Bailey
weren't responsible for allowing three touchdowns. Like I understand the
kickoff itself, and that was circumstantial because your kickoff guy

(01:01:11):
was unavailable, he wasn't on the field, he wasn't actively
on the field the last whatever many games, six eight games.
So someone's going to kick off into the end zone
this year. That's so that's different. I'm talking about the
guys actually covering, the guys running into the punter, the
guys you know, allowing you know, get they're all they're
all going to be largely the same guys that are

(01:01:32):
that are doing those roles. Hopefully a mere speed or
with Bolden's first night, Okay, hopefully some of these guys,
can you know, Marte Mapu, he pushes Mac Wilson off
the roster, That to me would be a positive development.

(01:01:53):
But we'll see. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
I do definitely agree with the caller though that they
they feel that Special Teams was personnel largely driven by
by personnel issues and not coaching. And I we've observed
Cam Accord and obviously I've talked to him. I think
he's a good coach, and I think with Special Teams
you really need to understand the nuances because it's a
very unique thing, like I gotta admit, like it's a

(01:02:17):
blind spot for me, Like I don't understand the difference
between L three and L four, Like I couldn't tell you,
but I could tell you the difference between this route
that route, and you know this coverage that coverage. It's
it's a it's its own world. And I do think
that cam Accord has the knowledge, and I think that
he's a good teacher because he teaches us, like we
asked questions because we're dumb, so we we literally ask

(01:02:38):
him questions and we're like, hey, like teach us, like
what is the difference between this and this? And he
he'll sit there and give great explanations to the media.
So I'm sure that he gives great explanations to the players.
I think last year, for some reason, that it carried
over from offense to other phases. To be honest with you,
that attention to detail just wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
I feel like Bill in general, and this is unfair
because I don't know for sure how he feels. I
think Bill in general thinks all problems are more personnel
related and execution related. It's not necessarily like we had
this bad game plan and we didn't have a good play,
like right, go out and execute the play and it'll work.

Speaker 5 (01:03:16):
That's that's how he thinks for execution. Like I not
to go on a Celtics ramp, but Missoula loves to
say that, loves to say.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Except for when they have eighteen seconds left in the
game and it was great execution, except that they didn't
get a shot right, right.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
Right, And you know he's sitting there saying, oh, yeah,
you know, the execution in that situation could have been better.
And it's like for the Celtics, I look at it
and I say, Okay, talent on the floor, you probably
have it, like you got to all NBA players, you
got Marcus Smart's one dude like you probably, But with
this team and it sometimes it is talent, Like sometimes
you got to look at it and realize that they're
not out executing the other team because the other team

(01:03:51):
has better players than you do. So I think a
lot of those players got changed out in some spots.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Yeah, it's just like what keeps popping out to me
is just you know, and it's these guys that I think,
you know, you're referring.

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
To the Raleigh Webbs of the world. You know these
Brendan schooler. We didn't even mention him as you know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
So it's like all those guys. I just it's gonna
be interesting how this all plays out here in camp
and then maybe we'll get a glimpse and in a
couple of weeks of what the special and that's what Like,
I think that those kinds of guys now map who
obviously will be on the roster. Third round picks don't
get cut unless they do something wrong. But the seventh
round picks, they can. They earn jobs over you know,

(01:04:27):
four or five year veterans that have been largely just
playing on special teams. Yeah, I think that would be
a good sign if if they're thought of that. Well,
well I got some stuff for you guys after the break.
Plenty of great emails that we have yet to get to. Also,
I talked to his Abeolin's coach at Jackson State yesterday, Well,
a guy that replaced Dion. Great conversation. So I'll tell
you a little bit about that after the break. We're

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Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
And now great moments in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
History.

Speaker 8 (01:14:46):
And yet I was still nice enough to invite you along.

Speaker 4 (01:14:48):
Yes, very nice. There were like six of us. I
mean the place was, say, Fred was the you know
what block? Why are you mad at me?

Speaker 8 (01:14:57):
Why why, he says, with the big grin across his face.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Why are you so upset?

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
What I'm upset at you?

Speaker 10 (01:15:03):
Why?

Speaker 8 (01:15:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Just you?

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
All of our lives are open book.

Speaker 8 (01:15:06):
Why is it you are? Why you purposely do these things? Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
I do, yes, yes, I do talk. We all talk
about things going on.

Speaker 8 (01:15:16):
You make things out of thin air that are not there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
What's thin air? You were with a lady friend? What's
what's thin air about that?

Speaker 8 (01:15:22):
No, a lady friend implies that there's something going on,
and she wrote.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
That's the end of it, dude, look like but it
doesn't have to be it.

Speaker 8 (01:15:29):
It is because I told you yesterday, and I don't
like it when you make me repeat myself. It sounds
like my father.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
You think I'm screwing things up for you.

Speaker 8 (01:15:38):
Just tell me you've been screwing things up for me
for twelve years. Buddy. Did you specifically tell him not
to mention it?

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:15:45):
I knew he was going as soon as he walked
up and saw us. He had that stupid grin that
he's got on his face right now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
I can so see it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
I won't mention it again, But if when something happens,
could you let us know nothing is going to happen,
you know, like if they you know, if they decide to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Nothing is going to happen.

Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
I'm gonna go with And why are you yelling at me?
I didn't do anything because you're joking around to him
on a little Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
You did admit it, but this is all Fred.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
I don't Okay, what'd you guys eat?

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Did I miss that point?

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
I had swordfish? That's another great moment from.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Swordfish. Used to get swordfish during the show? Not here?
What were you guys? Was that a draft show or something?
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:16:31):
No classic where Fred saw Eric on a date and
crashed it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Oh that's great.

Speaker 6 (01:16:37):
And now it ties into this email that I was
sitting on that I from Jake from Chicago that I
wanted to to read, and I think Paul might have
to be the one to provide this insight. But hey, guys,
new listener, I always hear the references to Eric. Never
listened when he was on the show. Is there a
specific show that is must listen to to truly understand
the references you all make to him. I feel like

(01:16:57):
I need even just a clip to truly appreciate what
he brought or took away from the show, and he
would love the show and the entertaining perspective you all bring.
I mean, I think that clip was pretty good, Paul,
but if there were some other Eric moments. But but
I mean every Joiners paint the picture.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Yeah, Eric, I mean obviously worked here for a long time.
I would say Andy and I were much more into
the Patriots in football in general, especially football because Eric
was into the Patriots, but not like as passionately as
we were in terms of the league itself. So that
was for starters. He kind of carried himself as being

(01:17:34):
above the fray intellectual. Yeah, I was trying to be nice.
He in doing so, I think he opened himself up
to a lot of those kinds of stories. Well, it's
funny it says criticisms. I was talking to Evan about
it too. It's like you kind of become a character
on the show. And Eric certainly was a character, but
he was also you know, a great guy and you

(01:17:54):
know all the things you pick on him for, but
he was He was the only favorite of the show
that is really completely authentic is as soon as the
show was over, Evan does actually just watch video just watches,
take watches all twenty two all the time, and if
he's not doing that, he's at a Bruins or Celtics
playoff his dog.

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
But the first, my first interaction with Eric back in
eighteen when I first started UH, he was standing with
Aaron Sulkin from PR, and so I thought he was
in PR.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
I didn't know who he was, so I went up
to him. That's the perfect thing that would piss him,
all right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
So I went up to him and I asked him
if he had a roster. No, you did it, and
he mocked you, and he looked at me like he
wanted to punch me in the face.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
I can totally see. This is the first I've ever
heard of the story what happened? And he was like
it is Scully cap On and ask me or like
something like that. And I was just like, oh, sorry,
Like I thought you were standing with whereas Andy or
Mike or myself, Like, yeah, I mean you have a

(01:19:04):
roster for for Forevan.

Speaker 7 (01:19:06):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
He looked at me like, I why would you assume
I'm not in PR? I write long form features?

Speaker 5 (01:19:14):
Yeah, and then so I remember I I walked away
from him, and I recognize because I realized I asked
the wrong person, so I walked away from him staring
at you. I asked somebody, Uh, hey, you know who's
that Who's that guy over there? I've never met him before.
They were like, oh, that's Eric Scalvino, like he writes
for Patriots dot Com.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
And I was like, uh, like, pr my, apologize, mister Skelvino.
I just I just wanted to apologize for earlier. Idealy
who you were? You there?

Speaker 18 (01:19:45):
It is?

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Yeah, let's uh, let's go back to the phones here
real quick before we dive into the email. Sean and Vancouver.
Hey Sean, how are you?

Speaker 12 (01:19:52):
Hey?

Speaker 14 (01:19:53):
Guys, Mike, have a couple of things now, Paul. Earlier
you were talking about running back and how they might
not get on as much as a rookie because of
the responsibilities in the passing game, blocking schemes. I wonder
if that extends to tackle. Now what we've mentioned that
they didn't draft a tackle because they're happy with who

(01:20:15):
they have in the room, And I wonder if it's
also extends to the experience, like Rillery been in the
league for a long time, maybe he's going to be
better at picking up those type of things. When it
comes to protecting on passing plays. I don't know if
that's their thinking, but that might be one thing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
I think in general Bill doesn't love giving really big
roles to rookies. I think he's been sort of reluctant
to do that periodically over a long period of time.
But I would say with tackle, yeah, I think ideally
you draft a tackle in the first round and he's
your third tackle. Yeah, but I don't think that's why

(01:20:56):
they didn't take a tackle because he's not going to
play anyway, because now you're just have the same problem
next year. Yeah, if you don't want to play a
young tackle.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
I do feel like tackle two to some degree, it's
just like you kind of blocked the guy across from you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Yeah, that's offensive line play. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:11):
I mean there's obviously slide, no disrespect to my son.
If they put two guys over you, you got to
you know, sort that out and things like that. But
for the most part, I think, you know, eighty percent
of the time, it's just like, if you're a left tackle,
the guys lining up over you, Matthew Judon's across from you,
you're blocking Matthew Judon, you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Know, Yeah, and I do think, Sean, I do think
that Bill probably looks at that and says, that's that's
asking a lot of a young rookie tackle to step
in week one and just perform. But he's done that.
Matt Light Matt like, I was just gonna bring him
right out of the right out of the shoot in
two thousand and one as a second round rookie and
obviously perform well. And Soldier ended up having to play.

(01:21:50):
I think the idea going into that year was for
him to sit and be the third tackle, but then
Volmer got hurt and he had to start really the
bulk of the season. I just feel like, in general,
Bill would rather not have to rely on rookies. I
think he's a big experience guy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:22:10):
That.

Speaker 14 (01:22:10):
My other thing has to do with the draft. It's
a weird kind of observation, but there were basically seventeen
players invited to the draft party, and we saw, you know,
for nine players seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Can I just interrupt you for one second, Sean, because
a lot of people have said that there was seventeen
people that went to the draft party.

Speaker 14 (01:22:34):
Right, more invited?

Speaker 17 (01:22:36):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
There was countless more invited. There was seventeen that said yes,
I don't want to make it out to be. In
other words, that Keon White, who I just had a
really good conversation with his coach, was one of the
seventeen people that they chose to go. No, there was
like a lot of people and most people said no,
they didn't want to go get to that.

Speaker 14 (01:22:58):
So there was the first nine that showed up. They
all hugged Goodell, right, and then you had a few
you know who didn't show up, And then you had
when it came to seventeen, you had Gonzales come up
and there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Was no hug.

Speaker 14 (01:23:11):
It was just a handshake, and then good couple after
that they were hugged again. So is there is there
something going on with that? Like the Patriots don't get
along with Goodell obviously, but this Patriots famous.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
No, No, I don't think they called like we just
drafted you and you better on hug Goodell.

Speaker 9 (01:23:30):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
I don't think Christian Gonzalez from the five minutes that
we got to sit with them, doesn't seem like a
hugger to me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
No, it doesn't seem I wouldn't read anything into it
at all. But I can tell you that the Patriots.
Both Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft have a very strong
relationship with Roger Goodell. I know that probably upsets some
element of Patriots fans, but it's it's it's true. It's
they get along very very well. Thanks Sean.

Speaker 14 (01:23:56):
Okay, all right, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
All you got.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
All right, that's those are some good details, though I
would not I do not watch who see who hugs
it and shakes and who lifts him off the ground.

Speaker 10 (01:24:05):
I know that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
And you know, Mike, you had said before we went
to that break that you had talked to Zay Bolden
coach Taylor. Coach t C. Taylor, who I do remember, Yeah,
was here as a undrafted rookie one hundred years ago
and two thousand and two you said you had a
good conversation with Yeah, it was fun.

Speaker 6 (01:24:22):
Just uh, I mean, obviously Deon Sanders had moved on,
but you know, got a little bit of insight from them,
just on on Zay and the kind of kid he was.
And and you know that information about coach Taylor being
here in two thousand and two, just like you don't
realize it. And then the assistant ad said, you know, hey,
I don't know if you realize this, but but then
filled me in on that. So it was fun just
to I said, look, I know things have changed in

(01:24:43):
twenty years, but you know, just from your experience here
what kind of things you have to say to Zay and.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
You know what to prepare him for, prepare himself for.
So it was it was good.

Speaker 6 (01:24:51):
I mean, I just these these we all do these profiles,
and I really kind of enjoyed just getting to talk
to the coaches and just you know, of course they're
going to be for their player and it's all going
to be positive, but it's also just, you know, fun
to get to see these coaches who work with these
players and are now getting a chance to see these
players go on and you know, achieve their dreams of
at least being drafted. You don't know what where they're
going to end up, but it was cool and I

(01:25:13):
think we're wrapping them up. We all are just about
Don Evans went today on Jake Andrews.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
So yeah, yeah, and I wrapped up keyon White today
and I had mentioned that I had talked to Brent Key,
who was the new head coach at Georgia Tech. He
took over on an interim basis early last season, went
four and four after a real tough start, and earned
the full time job, and obviously spoke very highly of

(01:25:39):
Keon White, as Mike said, most of these coaches do that.
But it was funny, like he had talked about, you know,
the same impressions that we got of that video clip
of how serious he was, and he said that he
was taken aback by it when he first came. When
in twenty one, when Keon White came from Old Dominion

(01:26:02):
and transferred to to Georgia Tech, he was taken it back.
And I was like, what's what's up with this guy?
What's his problem? He goes as he and a wolf
like he was thinking to himself, and he sort of
got to know him and and sort of understand what
makes him ticket He's like that all the time. It's
it's authentic. That's that's who he is. He's very serious,
very mature. He said. He's he's older as it is,

(01:26:25):
you know, for but he's like more mature beyond that
even his advanced age. So this is kind of the
seriousness that you get. But he said, don't mistake that
for you know, like a lack of passion, caring. Yeah, like,
he is very passionate about what he does. He was
great at sort of holding the locker room accountable really,

(01:26:48):
you know, on defense, especially last year, he would set
up one of the things that he told me, he
would set up these contests. They would have two out
of three matches short yardage on Tuesdays at practice, and
when the defense lost, it wasn't just we lost today, No,
he made sure that they were accountable. So he felt
like that was really good for him. This is Key

(01:27:11):
talking now. It was good for me because I'm trying
to like earn the respect of this locker room, and
I had this guy really doing everything he could to
make sure that everybody was doing whatever they could to win,
and that helped me win over the locker room myself.
So I think there was a lot of respect there.
I like hearing that.

Speaker 6 (01:27:27):
I mean, based on some of the stuff we've been
talking about of just you know, generally the everybody who
should be right like those things.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
The way, I'll just tell you guys that Key was
the offensive line coach at Alabama from sixteen to eighteen ish,
so he was heavily involved with recruiting Mac Jones and
obviously went against Christian Barmore in practice and said, I
don't know how you deal with those two Barmore and White,
you know, down the road someday if they were, you know,

(01:27:56):
hanging out over the A gap as sub rushers in
sub packages. Uh as the three technique inside, that's the idea.
Let's go, let's go. You got Jude on on the outside.
On the other side, it's a good front chasing down
mobile quarterbacks. I'd like to let you know about Kayshawn Booty,
but I'm striking out like I'm having a real hard
time apparently. Yeah, I'm like, I'm not really I mean,

(01:28:19):
I'll do respect to Kevin Funck, who I love, love love,
I'm not really interested in that kind of element I do. Look,
I love the UH.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
I love doing these draft profiles though, because it's just
great to hear what the kid is like in the
story and and how these guys all got to this point.
And especially nowadays with with N I L and all
the transfers that we've had to deal with, and you know,
go tracking down coaches that actually coach these guys and
and got to know these guys a little bit. It's

(01:28:50):
it's always good to get some of that that background.
This is what obviously scouting departments do this before the draft,
and we do you know, we do it after the draft.
But it's always fascinating when you hear stories like Paul's
story about Kean White holding everybody accountable at practice. Don't
you hear these little things about these guys at the
Patriots drafted and you're like kind of Patriots Like, yeah,

(01:29:12):
now I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:29:13):
The maturity thing too that Paul said, because that was
the same thing they said about about the kicker Ryland, Like,
you know, like I mentioned it before it came out
of the womb, mature.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
You know, these guys are serious guys, they're into football.

Speaker 17 (01:29:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
I had Actually, it's unfortunate I had an interview scheduled
for after the show today with Mike Loxley, who is
Maryland's head coach, and about Chad Ryland, who I already
wrote the profile on anyway at this point, but he
unfortunately had to cancel that. So, yeah, uh, you want
to play a game? Got a little game here?

Speaker 8 (01:29:44):
A game?

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
Would you like to play a game? He would do it? Well, yeah,
there you go. Toe.

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
So Aaron from Kentucky's got a game over unders Bailly's
Zappi starts a Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
I'm gonna say over. I think in the NFL that nowadays,
somebody gets hurt, somebody gets hurt, ball out somebody specific.
I'm gonna say last year, how many teams had their
quarterback playoffs the game? Crazy like Josh Allen, Yeah, yeah,
that's it, Mahomes. I'm gonna sander though Max got it
this year.

Speaker 6 (01:30:13):
Uh like the twenty twenty three draft picks that don't
make the roster two, I guess we say two point five?

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
How about two point five over under two ND, I'm
going over. I'll say over.

Speaker 5 (01:30:24):
Just they drafted five guys in the last two rounds
of the draft, like twelve guys altogether.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Yeah, taekwon Thornton touchdowns. Four that better be over.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
I'm gonna I think that's a good prediction. I would
say four on the on the on the money, I'm
gonna cheat.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Gouda have some long ones. Uh tight end TDS ten
between Sicki and Hunter Henry. I like that number. I'm
gonna go. I'm gonna go over. I've been predicting a
resurgent for Hunter Henry this year, and I think Siki
will I'll stay over because I think that's a pretty
modest number for Yeah, tight ends catch the ball to day. Yeah,
Zapi tds were staying on the Zappie front here, Zappi

(01:31:05):
TD's three. So he gets Special Teams TDS too. With
Marcus Jones and Mario Douglas. Maybe I'll go under the
undern go over. I'm gonna go over to. I think
special teams be much better. Yeah, because they got new players.
Paul gives nod before the Pats before the fourth twice.

(01:31:28):
I don't have you given a Patriots nod in the
last two seasons Detroit. I gave without question. That game
was over on on like the second fourth down stop, right,
and they had like four more fourth down stops just
that well they you know, Board got interviewed and they
were like, what do you do anything you remember from
that game? And he was like, nah, but I was

(01:31:49):
hoping it would be like we kept going for fourth down.
I'm like, you know, I am you got the best
special teams player in the league, Like, come on, get
me out there. Probably, if he didn't get signed by
the Patriots, probably said, yeah, none of our players played.

Speaker 5 (01:31:59):
What's so weird about that game? Just like mini sidebar here.
What's so weird about that game is that you would
expect that that would mean that the Lions are an
acolytically driven right, because you're going for it on fourth down,
But then they took a running back and an inside
linebacker in the first round.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
So it's like, are you are?

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
You can decide, right, and you can tell that Dan
Campbell and their brain trust and Ben Johnson, their offensive coordinator,
have to be constantly at odds because Dan Campbell's.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
I'm feeling this one. I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it.
We're gonna tear our kneecaps whatever, right, Yeah, no, I'm
feeling it. Yard. We gotta feel we got to run
the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:32:40):
We gotta get a guy that can stop the run,
and we got to control the you know, the linebacker.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
And get Brian Urlacker. In twenty thirteen, they like, they
had a really good offense last year and they had
two running backs and Swift and Williams that were very productive.
Williams is like like right, like sixty a million touchdowns,
but they were, but they were very productive, and they said,
we'll get rid of those two guys and we'll get

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David Montgomery and then we'll draft Gibbs like of just
shuffling the deck the chairs on the screen. Be a
nerd or don't be a nerd? Dan Campbell, make up
your mind? Uh last one? How many weeks does Mike
drop an expletive out of frustration for the team three under?

Speaker 8 (01:33:24):
But you will?

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
It would definitely be more than one. I appreciate it.

Speaker 20 (01:33:28):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:33:28):
I haven't dropped one yet here. We should get a
deuced cam for the the road games when we're sitting
in here, that will be. That would be, but we can't.
You gotta see, like there there are different things like
beyond just the Patriots ineptitude offensively that like set him
off last.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
Year mac reactions when Mac is yelling at the sideline,
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
And then someone will be in here which will really
get under his skin at that time, and he's like
trying to kind you know, and I'm like, you know,
as as I like to say, semi retired so I
don't do any writing during the game anymore. And Mike
is like feverishly and I've been there, I've done it,
I did it for a hundred years, and feverishly trying
to get this done so when the start of the
show comes, you can be focused and have your un

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divided and it'll be like some random like Mike, would
you think of that. I'm just very good.

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
I'm very glad that we have the setup that we
do because Mike doing like the immediate after the game,
but I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
It's it's a it's tough for me to do.

Speaker 5 (01:34:32):
Like it's tough for me to focus on the game
the way I want to focus on the game and
chart it and do all the things that I do
live and then also be writing like a gamer that's
supposed to publish right when the clockheads zero in the
fourth course that I'm very glad that we have the
setup we do.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Because we've got some time and like I actually start
the style that Mike does. I started doing when we
first went digital. Yeah, we first went away from the
paper and we started doing postgame shows. I just thought, like,
you know, sort of quick hit random observations. I used
to call them random thoughts, and it turned into like

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game observations. What is it called game observations? But what
used to happen to me all the time is the
things that you thought were relevant in the game. You know,
you'd start stacking up and then clearly there's a pattern developing,
and as you're writing them, you're writing them in such
a way that would indicate they won or they lost, right,

(01:35:30):
and then when that changes last minute, you're like the
whole tenor of this is now, Oh well, it's like
the Marcus Jones punt return, you know, I mean there
was like it was enhing game. There were two field
goals in it until that point, and then all of
a sudden You've got to like completely put the biggest
point in with like give three minutes before that. Right,

(01:35:50):
But at least that's something you do that like that
was changing. That's your top. Like I'm thinking more along
the lines of like Pages did a great job in
past protection and and you know, Dolphins came in, you know,
leading the league in sacks, the Patriots offensive line completely shut,
and all of a sudden there's like a strip sack
three minutes left from the game that cost the Patriots

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of the game. Right, So now I have like six
points that I've made that are almost irrelevant at this point,
and like, what do you do?

Speaker 5 (01:36:19):
That's why That's why I like doing the way that
we do because I can I get to, you know,
talk to the guys, fall into that trap and marinate
it on a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
But I fell into that trap so many times too.
It's tough.

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
It's tough, but I there is a part of me that,
you know, I love traveling to the games, like, I
would not give that up.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
I love doing it. But you guys have some fun
here too, you know, we do have a lot of
fun and we have a good like Hardy is really
good mixing with us, and Matt is here with us
on Sundays too. But yeah, I mean what I used
to like about the road games is I never really
worried about writing because at the time, we didn't post

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right after a game. So I never really worried about
any writing because I knew I had the plane, Like
what else you're doing on the plane? Yeah, you know,
I'm gonna write on the way home, and you could
sort of collect your thoughts, formulate a plan, and then
execute it.

Speaker 9 (01:37:15):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
The home games were always different because you're always like,
I gotta get out of here, you know, I gotta
get out of here.

Speaker 5 (01:37:22):
Yeah, well, inside baseball. But now I try to publish
before we're.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Wheels up many times I've been done wheels, so when
the meal comes, I don't I don't have to put
my laptop down.

Speaker 5 (01:37:33):
I'm literally like in pocket, like ready to hit publish
and the plane is going like this, and I'm like
and yeah, yeah, and I'm just on my hot spot
on my phone and it's like trying to get like
make sure that it goes up. Every once in a
while I have to hit up for and be like, hey,
like it's written, but I just need somebody to to
fill in the the all the little boxes and stuff

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like that. And but yeah, it's a it's a it's
a fun I would. I love going on the road.
I love being at the game.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
You got to get this. You got to say these
things now because you can't say them at home. I know, Jess,
I have to try. It's my burden. I tell her
all the time. I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
It's really difficult for me to do the detail that
I want to get into without seeing the whole field
and like being there. So watching it on TV to
me is a little bit like having one hand tied
behind my back because I'm at the mercy of the
camera angles that they're giving me.

Speaker 6 (01:38:27):
I just think of the contrast for me between the
away games when we watch it on TV and you're
you know, you're stuck with what they're showing you, you're
also getting the peanut gallery. Everybody that's in this room
is weighing in on their thoughts, so that's you know,
gonna call it. But and then when we're up in
the press box, I'm getting what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
You're seeing the whole field. You can watch what you want.

Speaker 6 (01:38:47):
If I want to take my binoculars and just focus
on one guy for a play, I can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Yeah, I I I hear exactly where you Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
And then I always go down to the locker room afterwards,
and like usually off the record, I'll go up to
some players and be like, hey, like I think I
saw it this, Like is this my right? Am I
on the right, And they're like usually they like kind
of give me a wink, win, nod, nod, and they
don't actually like tell me like break it down for
me the way you know some might think.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
But it's it's good. I got an email here from
Ryan in Atlanta. I liked with craft good story announcing
Week one with will be Brady's return. I feel it
appropriate to talk a little bit about some of Tom's
greatest moments. So what are your favorite moments plays from
Tom Brady's career that might not get as much coverage
as as many Super Bowl comebacks or nail biting AFC
championship games. For me, the regular season game against the

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Saints in twenty thirteen when he hits Caemberrell Tompkins in
the end zone with five seconds left to win the
game was the moment that gets me, as Evan says,
hot and bothered when I watch it. Sorry for my
clunk reading there, Ryan Atlanta Hips like, good question. I
always done it for a Monday night game. Was that
last second touchdown to Givens. I want to say in

(01:39:55):
the game that Lonnie Packs did attentional safety? Ye yeah,
snapped the ball the goalpost. That was That was the three.

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
That was like one of those games where it was like, okay,
like Belichick is is doing stuff on a different level
and Brady is Brady. But like that was one of
those Patriot games where you're like, all right, they're playing
they are playing chess.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
You don't know why they want that knows what's going
childhood for me right now? Let me remember it like
it was. It's it's always it's always interesting. They screwed
up on the return of the kick and got bottled
up deep in their own end. They mishandled the kick
on this. Yeah, Now, I think that the the intentional

(01:40:38):
safety to me, checkers see intent. The intentional safety to
me was football one on one. I think a lot
of guys would have done that. Now, most teams would
have lost even doing that. I think that was the
right thing to do. Most guys would have lost the
game because you you have a free kick. Let's say

(01:40:59):
you get the ball to the thirty yard line, first
down ends the game. And if you don't, you're punting
the ball and you're getting you're pinning them way down
and there's no time left. Right Everything after the intentional
safety was completely botched by Denver in that game. I
think it was Delta O'Neil if I want to remember,
I think he's I think he might have screwed up.

(01:41:21):
I might be confusing it with a different game, but whatever,
that drive by Brady to me is memorable. That throw
to it was like a twenty twenty five yard touchdown.
Wasn't like a little flip, you know, on a little
you know, in and out route, you know, jerk route.
It was like high degree of difficulty and at mile

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high they never won their well whatever the Invesco field,
I think it was at the time, just an incredible
last couple of seconds.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
I think my first memory that I that I always
stuck in my head was Troy Brown's game winner and
overtime against Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Oh. That's a great one, that one when I when
he hit.

Speaker 5 (01:42:03):
That throw, first of all, if you like, go watch
back and watch that, that is an absolute seed, like yeah,
and he's kind of like back pedaling when he throws
it to his momentum is not going forward. It's not
like a typical hair of Mary where the quarterback runs
into it or something like that. He's back pedaling and
moving to his left, and he still gets enough on it,

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you know, to to hit Troy Brown in stride and
and then Troy Brown pulled away for the touchdown. And
I will never forget how excited because they never won
down in Miami right like there was they were on
like a crazy losing streak down there, and I just,
uh will never forget how excited even Bill was, you know,
throwing things, yeah, right, yeah, and that was that was

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a big one. The other one that I always love
is the the snow game against Tennessee where him in
Moss and that they think they scored like fifty six
and a half or something like. Yeah, that game just
was like classic, like we're better than you and we're
just dirt stomping teams.

Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
Now and that and that wasn't that was a rough
Patriots year too, Like that was just an outlier for
that that team in general. I just like, oh seven,
it's obvious, like no one's surprised, but just some of
those games it just felt unfair.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
It just felt like these guys are on such another level.

Speaker 6 (01:43:19):
And the one down in Miami to me where they
still play those highlights, just a couple of those Moss
touchdowns where the one guy like tore his acl like
on the play like Moss just like one hands it
on his shoulder and like two dolphin players just go
flying and one guy's got like a knee injury, and
its just like those.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
Moments where you're like, this is just it's not fair.
Right now.

Speaker 6 (01:43:39):
They are on a different level, even like Cincinnati that
year where you just felt like they were unstoppable.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
It was pretty cool. I don't remember Cincinnati since he
I don't know the Miami game was was silly. Was
just throwing these balls like you talk about like you
develop bad habits. Threw one up like into triple coverage.
They had him completely surrounded. The must just like jumped
up the ball and everybody like just fell over. It
was like you know when you watch those clips on

(01:44:04):
on on like YouTube of like the kid that's like
eight years old and everybody playing youth football and they're
all just falling down around him. That's what it looked like. Yeah,
like they were playing their own game.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
In a HIMNT Moss and and Gronker like the only
two guys that felt exactly like that, like like this
is varsity, Like we're on varsity. These are guys that
are playing JV. Like that's how I fell watching those guys.
But I just remember in O seven, like you knew
you could tell by Brady's like mannerisms when he was
loading up the gun to throw it deep to Moss

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and you're watching it on TV, so you can't see
Moss down the field, but you're like Moss down there
somewhere and he's probably he's probably wide open.

Speaker 6 (01:44:41):
That was the one game that I went to in
O seven, which was actually during the writer strike that's
going on again now out in LA Like, I'm like,
I gotta go back. I got to see this team.
But I went to the Pittsburgh game, which too, you
know famous plays. There was a big one to Moss,
but there was also the like the triple.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
Pass for Radio Moss to Salwarz, and we were me
and my sisters were in the second last row of
this stadium, so we are like, so you had it
was more than the All twenty two. It was like
the All Lower Bowl. I mean, you had like all
thirty thousand down there, but you could see but you
could just see it develop. You're like, oh you could.

Speaker 6 (01:45:11):
You could tell that Gaffney didn't slow down for a second,
you know, like it was just it was all right
there before you from from that high level.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
So it was pretty cool that that game. So those
are a few, yeah, a few random. You know, it's
hard to really come up playoffs with ones that you
don't feel like are famous though, because like all the
games we brought up, I'm like, I remember every single
one of those. It's hard to be like one gem
that you didn't. It's such a product of their dominance
that you can, like I always joke about this, like

(01:45:38):
Patriots seemed to have more games that have names. Yeah,
you know, and like if it's not like a like
you could go in a couple of ways, that New
Orleans one that the email said, like that to me,
that's the Kemberrell Tompkins game, because it seemed like that
KEMBERL Tompkins ever did that was memorable in any way, right,
But you know a lot of people would say it's
the Unicorn and Chowponies game because that's when lost his mind.

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I have to say that game.

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
I was gonna give Zoe credit, like I think that
he lost his mind. His call of that of that
game winning touchdown is why I think for a lot
of people of my generation that were a little bit
younger in the beginning part of the dynasty, that game
sticks out to all of us so much, and a
large part to Zoe's credit because of the call, Like
the call was money. And then obviously I think the

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Red Sox won a World Series game like that same day,
like it was just a great Boston sports day.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
It was grand against Detroit when they were like five
outs away, four outs away.

Speaker 5 (01:46:36):
From Yeah, and that was just a great Boston sports day.
And I remember I was in college and my college
roommates nobody's from Boston and in my in my friend group,
and they just hated me that day. They were like,
this guy's got Brady, he's got our teas hitting grand
slams and like they're all just like, you know, wallowing.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
I remember in my office writing after that game when
I had the Red Sox on and I was like,
I just like started yelling obscenities like yeah, I can't
believe it. I can't ever believe what. I just like
what he just did. And I think that was a lot.
That was a fun I miss having. It's funny a
fun night here, like for all that going on, it's

(01:47:16):
funny to me that we're all talking about like I
brought up seven when they were just so dominant, and
then you guys brought up thirteen when they turned over
all their receivers and you're mentioning Kenbrell Tompkins like being
you know, like it's just they could win so many
different ways. Well they just say it's such a contrast
between those two.

Speaker 6 (01:47:33):
Teams, Like you know, I mean I know, twenty thirteen
Patriots weren't, you know, the worst team of the of
the last twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
But you know, it's just they could beat you that
way when he had Scrubs and they didn't play great
the whole game and then they just kind of pulled
a couple drives out at the end, or they could
roll you for fifty at you know seven. It's just
such a contrast, so many different things to appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (01:47:52):
Same strive, the game winning driving. People like say like, oh,
what's your argument for Brady being to go? And I'm like,
other than obvious, say the Super Bowls and stuffs, like
he led a touch game winning touchdown drive with Austin Colley, KEMBERL. Tompkins,
Aaron Dobbson like who, Like you don't know who? Like
that's the thing is, Look, I I don't want to
get at the whole thing. But like Peyton like played

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with other Hall of famers around him a lot, okay
and Brady.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
But he also did it with Austin.

Speaker 5 (01:48:21):
But those but those guys were were not you know,
he had Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison before that, but
then he had Austin Colly and Peter top receiver and
he's a great player to not trying on Peyton, but
it just that he had. Brady had that ability to
elevate people around him, no question. And I look at
you know, again not to go on the whole Celtics rant,

(01:48:42):
but I look at like some of the athletes that
we have in Boston now that are great players at
their sports, but guys like Ortiz, guys like Brady, like
these guys just don't have that, Like they don't have
the Jason Tatum has generational talent, maybe, but he doesn't
have that like ability to just pull Austin Colly and
Ken Broo Tompkins to a game winning drive. And you know,

(01:49:05):
those types of moments are David Ortiz when everybody knows
that David ortis about to hit a Grand Slam and
tie the game, and he did it, like he just
does it.

Speaker 4 (01:49:13):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:49:13):
I felt similar about the Patriots defense in the early
two thousands of you know, not at the level of what.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Brady became, but just I always had such confidence. I've
talked about it with Rabel too, like similar kind of thing,
like you just knew these guys have been in all
these situations and I just feel confident no matter who
they're going up against, they're gonna be a tough matchup
for whoever.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
The Eagle Super Bowl is exactly that to me. The
first Eagles Super Bowl obviously, that was a touchdown game, right,
like they they were only up a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:49:40):
Oh and they probably should have been losing by more
right earlier in the game. I thought Philly really outplayed
them in the first half. But I totally know where
you're gonna where you're going with this. I never, for once,
not a second thought the Patriots were gonna lose that game.
And I never really even thought they were in trouble.

Speaker 5 (01:49:56):
No, and they that drive that Rod Harrison has the
pick to see it basically seal the game. That was
a touchdown game, right, And it never once did it.
Donn on mean that Donovan mcnabbles.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
It was twenty four to twenty one.

Speaker 5 (01:50:10):
I never in months did I think that Donavan mcnabble
is going to march down the field and win the
game for Philly.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
No, No, I know one time, right, and then he
felt the same way when Eli Manning got put in
a similar situation. You know, at the end of the day,
that game and you're like, all right, like just close
it out. I mean, everybody just pictures Rodney Harrison intercep
of the running like I'll take it like on the
other side. And sometimes when he didn't do it, so yo,
I Manning scores a touchdown they were down three. I

(01:50:36):
just said, okay, it's like thirty seconds left, talk twenty six,
whatever it was, he'll get a field goal. Yeah, And
I couldn't believe they just threw bombs like the first
couple of plays. Now one of them like almost got completed.
But that still haunts me to this day. How come
I just like, why wouldn't you just continue to do
what you always do and run like these fifteen yard
crosses with Wes Welker, and yeah, call time out, get

(01:50:58):
out of bounds, do whatever you need to do, and
let's lift the fight another the show it always takes.
I thought they would, you know, to you a point
like the confidence that you had in the defense. I
had such confidence in that offense. I never never thought
that game was gonna end there. I said, go to
overtime and see what happens. Four Then then when they
you know, when when they sacked him on the first play,

(01:51:19):
I kind of said, maybe it's just not meant to be. Yeah,
and then against uh, Carolina, like Carolina was in that game,
Carolina I thought could win the game.

Speaker 5 (01:51:26):
Carolina was squarely in that game, and yet somehow they
it just felt like they always figured it out. And then,
of course, as you reminded me of O seven, they
did not.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
But I'm not gonna like pretend like that. The Eagles
game in four, I never thought they were going to
lose the game the year before, when Carolina kept coming back,
kept coming back, I thought that game play. I thought
that game could have gone either way.

Speaker 5 (01:51:51):
If you're like my age or younger in Patriots fans
listening to this, go back and watch the Carolina Patriots
Super bowlts on YouTube. It's it's a dense version of
it actually on YouTube, so you don't even have to
watch commercials. That is an all time great game, just
a game in NFL history, a.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
Weird game of the contrast of scoring in the first
fourteen to ten in the second, no scoring in the third,
ends up thirty twenty nine, right just to it always
gets missed.

Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
I think because Carolina wasn't like this, you know, it
didn't They didn't have this great quarterback or it wasn't
a great Carolina team in theory, but that's one of
the best Super Bowls I think that that's ever been played.

Speaker 6 (01:52:29):
I mean, Julius Peppers, I know that those guys just
I remember hearing from some of the Patriots guys talking
about that Super Bowl just how tough Carolina was, Like
they just they were a big Chris Jenkins.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
Was it, Brentson Buckner, Chris Peppers, Peppers, they had Dan Morgan,
I think there, Uh, they had some players there that defense.
Steve Smith. Manning was not Daniel Moosen, Muhammed That's what
it was. Ricky Manning. Ricky I loved and I still

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love Smith, Steve Smith. Yeah, Muhammad had like an eighty
seven yard touchdown. Yeah, that was a play that he's
stiff armed Eugene Wilson. I know, I've told this story
on the on the radio many times and Fred and
he got hurt on the play, and Fred insisted that
Wilson wasn't hurt and he was just embarrassed that he
gave up a touchdown and got stiff armed. He ended
up not returning to the game, having surgery to repair

(01:53:23):
a torn groin. I believe, and Fred still to this
day insists that it wasn't a real injury and he
was just all for effect.

Speaker 5 (01:53:32):
He played the long I think that's still the longest
touchdown from scrimmage in Super Bowl history.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
I want to say eighty seven years just like that.
But that was and that was the first time the
Patriots were trailing in something like ten games. And the
last time they had been trailing prior to that was
in the same stadium against Houston, like in November of
that year. And that was in the midstime before I

(01:53:59):
was tired. Was that what it was? Yes, they topped
out of that team was domin They kept running out out.

Speaker 6 (01:54:06):
Let's grab a couple of emails here as we rolled
down the final stretch from Jerry North, Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Just about the rookie wide receivers.

Speaker 6 (01:54:13):
If the two new wide receiver rookies show they can
contribute to the offense early in camp, can we package
Devontae Parker and Kendrick Bourne and a fourth to Denver
for Jerry Judy and a late round pick.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
These are these are like the trade machine things right,
your trade has been rejected. We're getting a little wonky,
but we did talk.

Speaker 6 (01:54:31):
About guys that maybe could be moved, and I know
Kendrick Bourne came up and I mentioned just as we
went to break of, we saw what Shack Mason just
got another nice three year, good money deal, solid for him,
Maybe a little bit of an indication of what Michael
and Win is going to potentially get next offseason. You've
got a couple, I mean, all three of these rookies
could probably play guard. Uh if one of them really pops,

(01:54:54):
do you do you swing on Minu for something? That's
that's my question right now, maybe as a trade bait guy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
And I know you hate it, Evan, No, I don't
hate it.

Speaker 9 (01:55:02):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
Well, if one of them pups is a key part
of that, Like I don't want to trade him right now,
right right, but like you get into training camp and
somebody has an injury City Sow looks like he's every
bit as good as Michael Owenu. I'm not opposed to that.

Speaker 5 (01:55:14):
Yeah, if there's one guy out of that twenty twenty
draft class, dugg or uj Onu, I don't mind parting
ways with it's right. I mean he's the guard, Like,
that's fine. My whole argument with them is just I
said is off air, there's no reason that Kyle Dugger
should not have a second contract with the Patriots. Like
there's he's done everything, He's checked every single box, he's developed,

(01:55:36):
he's been on an upward ascension now for a couple
of years. He's a good football player. You drafted a
good football player, and you shouldn't let those types of
guys walk. I think it's more complicated because of his
role and lack of three down versatility and things like that,
but I would throw him in that same category as
well that I feel like he has been somebody that

(01:55:56):
especially if he has a good year this year, I
would aspect that they should retain him now on WHENU
I can take it or leave it on him a
great football player, like really good guard. But Alix, I
think they learned, maybe they're lesson a little bit with
hoping with Joe Toney and Jack Mason that investing big
cap dollars, especially in guards is really not where you

(01:56:18):
want to allocate your resource, especially when you use the
first round pick on the left guard. So now you
have a first round pick at left guard, you have
a ten million dollar right guard. At some point you
need to spread the assets around a little bit more.

Speaker 6 (01:56:30):
I want to make a better argument for Uch because
I just and like, I know everything you said. I mean,
he's not a full time player, but I do think
that in today's NFL, it's I look at it a
little bit different than I might have, say in twenty eleven,
when they kind of have Mark Anderson in as like
kind of in that role. I would say, like it
was and I know he got elevated to playing starting
defensive end after Andre Carter got hurt, but as you know,

(01:56:53):
a designated pass rusher essentially, like you need those guys
like you need an athlete like josh Uja coming off
the edge.

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
I just I find it.

Speaker 6 (01:57:00):
Hard to It's just I know, you got to find
what money makes sense. And if he turns in a
twelve sax season this year, even if it's largely you know,
feeding off of the team defense and just kind of
being the finisher, I just I think the biggest thing
for me is what Evan.

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
Said, You drafted this kid, you developed him. You don't
have a lot of these guys. You want to have
some continuity in the locker room and guys who you
know can kind of carry the culture forward year to year.
You're not going to have you already lost mccordy this year,
you're probably gonna lose Slater. If not this year, you
know within the next year or two. So I there
haven't been a.

Speaker 6 (01:57:31):
Lot of draft hits, and I just I struggle for
as much as I can say, he's not an every
down player, and he'll get paid somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:57:37):
Maybe I agree. I'm less worried about him not being
an every down player as I am him not being
what we saw in the last eight weeks. Yeah, now
I'm fully ready to say, hey, look, I he was
a late bloomer, took him a while, maybe he was
banged up a little bit, first couple of years, came
into his own and if that's what I see this year,
I'm with you, Mike. Yeah, I'm less worried about him

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being a full time player because I think that role
is very valuable, especially in today's NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:58:05):
Yeah, you're playing I mean you're you're not playing a
lot of snaps, but you're playing the most critical down
in the game.

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
What do you pay for it is the question? And
that's why you know the Shaq Mason deal. It was
a three for thirty six. I'd sign up for that
for for a WHENU. Yeah, I don't think that's what
when you will sign for because the the free agents
in their prime are going to get like deals that

(01:58:32):
are twice that size. Ye, and that I would say,
I'm going to step back and say whatever it said.
I learned from Tuney and Mason, two really really good
players played at a very high level for the Patriots.
We re signed them. And it's not really the difference
between winning a Super Bowl or not, Like I can
I can get by with lesser at that position and

(01:58:54):
save money. Now, on one hand, I say you can
save money. If I thought they were just going to spend,
I wouldn't care. But I do think it matters. Like
everybody's got a budget, and I think it matters, so
I want to spend more Wisely.

Speaker 6 (01:59:08):
Stevie just had to he emailed in just to agree
with you, Evan. If you haven't seen Panthers Super Bowl,
go check it out. Great game, especially the variable touchdown
fourth quarter was ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
That is in fact true.

Speaker 5 (01:59:19):
It's also fun to watch those games now because you
know that they win. There's the stress of them potentially
losing the game.

Speaker 3 (01:59:26):
Is no longer. I always like when I watch games
back then, you know, because I was here every day,
every game. And you remember like when Mike said that
he talked to a guy who was an undrafted free
agent and he said TC Taylor. I remember TC taylorah
from training Campy time came. When you go back and
watch that game, you see guys that you've never thought

(01:59:47):
of in fifteen years, never once. Yeah, And the guy
that always sticks out in that game for me is
Sean Mayer, who when they lost like nine thousand safety,
they lost Wilson, they lost Rodney, they just had to
put that was the version of Nate Ebe. We had
to finish the game at safety. Sean Mayor undrafted rookie
I want to sign out John Mayor Sean Sean Mayer.

(02:00:10):
I think he was out of Penn State. And I'm
a thirty night. When I watched that second look what
I was like, who the heck is that?

Speaker 11 (02:00:17):
You know?

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
We keep on nexter Reid?

Speaker 5 (02:00:19):
No wonder why Carolina put up thirty points in the
fourth course.

Speaker 3 (02:00:22):
Oh yeah, no, that was that was part of it.
That was absolutely part of it. All right, that's gonna
do it for us? Becky pro don't go anywhere. The catch.
Twenty two guys are up next talking more football for
the next couple of hours, and uh, that'll do it
for the rest of us, though we'll be back next
week Tuesday. We're getting closer to OTAs and everything else
off season. Feel the love.

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