Patriots Unfiltered 5/2: 2023 Patriots Draft Recap, Biggest Takeaways, Pick-by-Pick Analysis

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All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at Jillette Stadium, Tuesday, post draft, so we'll be uh
getting all our post draft reactions from Deuce and Alex
and Evan, Paul, myself, Matt and Nabooth. We got lunch
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Speaker 4 (01:58):
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you next week.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
So here we are, Tuesday, after the draft. How are
we feeling? You know anything? You know, now that we've
been able to digest all of this thoughts, anyone.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I'll jump in. I feel good. I don't feel great.
I don't feel like overwhelming, like I think they nailed it.
I think there's some intrigue, but you know, I think
there's definitely some questions about these guys. The three things
I think will define this class is how good can
Gonzales be, can key on White actually be like a
three down problem? And to one of those two receivers develop,

(02:35):
And those are kind of the questions for me that
those three things will probably determine whether or not this
draft class was a hit. A couple guys I'm excited
to see out on the field in a couple of weeks.
But uh yeah, that's that's kind of where I'm at.
I don't I guess luke warm. I guess would be
would be it, which I guess you should generally be
for a draft anyway, you don't know exactly what you
got till you get a glimpse of these guys. But
I don't know. I'm still a little bit, you know,
disappointed that they missed out on some of you know,

(02:58):
just I think, as Evan kind of alluded to, you know,
just a real needle mover on offense. They didn't get
one of those barring one of those six rounders, surprising everybody.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Anyone else?

Speaker 7 (03:09):
I feel great?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, you feel great?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (03:12):
Mean I feel like we're the most positive sports narrative
in Boston right now.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Wow, Red Red Sox, true, right, let's go right, two
games above five hundred.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
But they're hot, These kids are getting hot.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
I love it. Anyway.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
No, I appreciated that my Twitter followers were like fifty
to fifty happy and upset. It wasn't one hundred percent upset.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I don't know, I thought.

Speaker 7 (03:36):
I obviously don't put as much credence pre draft as
some of my coworkers at this table, So I kind
of just really enjoy waiting seeing who we get, listening
to them speak, listening to their availabilities, and I feel
like we have a really articulate, smart group of guys
coming in. And I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah. I mean, I know they were trying to move up,
and had they done that, we have different players here.
But I'm happy with the first three picks anyway. I
really I'm excited obviously Gonzales, but this key on white
guy intrigues me. I think, like you said, due three
downs inside outside, I think I think they can do

(04:15):
a lot with this guy and then map who I mean,
let's see how the peck is if he can go
right away. But I think he also has the versatility
you know, to be in the modern day NFL, and
you know, add speed to the defense. So'm I like
what they did with the defense all the other guys,

(04:37):
I mean, I don't know, you know, Boute if he
can get his act together, maybe he's a you know,
diamond in the rough. You needed a punter and a kicker.
Do you have to spend a fourth round pick? Maybe
in this draft it didn't matter, So I'm fine with
them picking up a punter and a kicker in the draft.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
You know, I made some calls yesterday. People around the
league get the scuttle butt of what other people think
of the Patriots draft, and I think there's a lot
of just general kind of meh about what they did
in rounds two through five. Okay, I think that most

(05:17):
people I've spoke with feel like Keon White will be
an NFL player for a long time, will be a
really solid contributor, but maybe not a game changer. And
I think that was the general feeling about him as
a prospect coming in you know, he's got he had
has first round physical attributes to him, you know, the size,

(05:38):
the length, the athleticism. But I think a lot of
people felt, like I did, that there's maybe a little
bit something missing from his game. And I think the
other thing that I didn't really consider that some of
the people I spoke with did is his age and
the fact that he's twenty four years old already, which
means that he's physically tapped out. Like this is pretty
much what you're getting. And maybe he'll make some improvements

(06:02):
with his technique and his processing and things like that,
but for the most part, physically, he is who he is.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
So did anyone that you talk to talk about what
his supporting cast look like at Georgia Tech in the front.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Not so much, No, but maybe that that's something that
he was the guy there and that I think that
that's the general sentiment that I got about what the
pick means for their their team, And I think that
the idea is certainly to compliment what they already have
and not necessarily come in to replace anybody. I think

(06:35):
that that's just the general thought is, Okay, now you
have Kean White, Christian Barmore, Dietrich Wise Godshaw inside with
Judan and on the outside not is not going to
be here in a year, so we drafted this kid
to replace him. I think it's more about the collective
of putting that whole group together. The feelings on Mapu

(06:59):
all over the map. Some people had him as a
priority free agent, you know, sixth round, seventh round pick
is usually when those types of guys go if they
do get drafted. Other people see what the Patriots see
in him and saw him as a as a top one,
maybe not one hundred, but top one, twenty five type

(07:20):
of guy. I saw. Mike Reeste did a report that
they were trying to actually trade out of the third round,
so I think that maybe they've even felt it was
a little early for Mapu at that point as well.
But I think the overall theme of the conversations I
had was they got guys that should be on NFL rosters,
that can play in the NFL. They just don't know

(07:42):
if any of these guys are gonna be needle movers
or difference makers or whatever way you want to put it.
I think that a lot of these guys they are like, yeah,
they like they'll they'll be fine NFL players, but are
they gonna be game changers? Not based off of the
at least the opinions of the people that I spoke with.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
I really like the first two picks. We talked about
this all weekend. I mean, I thought Gonzalez was excellent.
I think we all were for one of the few
guys that we were really universal one. And I if
Keon White ends up being kind of like the guys
that Evan talked to, If he ends up being like that,
I think that's an excellent second round pick. You know,
difference makers, you know, needle movers generally unavailable in the

(08:23):
second round, right, Like, I'm not telling you they can't be. No, But,
like like Evan said, with those kinds of measurables, if
he was a needle mover, he would have been a
first round pick. Now, I'm just looking like cause I'm
working on his profile. I mean, talk about nailing it.
I mean, the Beast had him forty seven overall. You
took him forty sixth. There you go, Like, I mean,
I think to Evan's point, you got guys closer to

(08:45):
where most people felt. Those are the two picks I
feel really good about you. Should feel best about the
ones that you pick early. I have reservations about the
third round pick. Doesn't surprise me to learn that they
were trying to move out of that. I talked to
Mike about that a little bit earlier, and I just
think that that kind of a pick I don't think
you needed to take in the third round. But whatever,

(09:07):
we'll see what he ends up being. And out of
the day three picks, there's two things that I would say.
Number One, the pick I like the most is Booty.
I think it's hypocritical, and this is what I said
on Saturday. I don't think he will pan out, but
I love the pick. I absolutely love rolling the dice
on a guy who has some talent who you know

(09:30):
may or may not have the maturity to go along
with it. I love the idea of that in the
sixth round. I think that's what you do, is when
when those kinds of guys are available, you take a flyer.
So I love love that pick. And the other thing,
I was just surprised they didn't get more aggressive to
try to move up.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well, I think they tried, but I think everybody was
doing it.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
And it was a record amount of trades yeah, you know,
everybody else seemed to be able.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
To They don't like us.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Everyone's against that.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
I think, yeah, I think the one position that you
have to lo back on and grow. Was asked about it,
and he mentioned that the guys they had on their
board at tight end flew off the board early, and
you wonder, I think at forty six they were locked
into Keon White because Reese also reported that Keon White
was on the shortlist at seventeen, so they really liked

(10:19):
the player in Keon White. So I don't think they
were taking Luke Schoonmaker in the second round. That was
never I'm sure a conversation in the draft from the
ones that are gonna come out that are were going
to play that game with, you know, it's two to
three years down the line. Or Tucker Craft and Darnell Washington.
In the third round, you took Mapu over both of them.
They both came off the board within five picks of

(10:41):
Mapho at the end of the third or middle of
the third round, I guess. And if those two guys,
if one of those two guys ends up panning out
at the tight end position and you passed for Mapu,
then that will be the second guess of you know,
why why wasn't Darnell Washington in that conversation? He seemed
like such a Patriot prototype in terms of the size

(11:01):
and the blocking ability and those types of things. So
we'll see. I think those are this That's the biggest
second guess for the draft to me is why no
tight ends and why some of those mid round guys
over some of the tight ends that went in the
third and the fourth round.

Speaker 8 (11:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, So what does this say now about the offense?
He took some three interior linemen. That's not going to
really help the twenty twenty three Patriots offense probably less.
You know, Andrews goes down and maybe you've got a
good center rookie center there, But otherwise, there's no additional
targets for mac Jones other than what you have right now.

(11:40):
You know, I'm just I'm not counting on the two
receivers that they picked to you know, even make the
fifty three man roster. They you know, they might be
practice squad players or whatever. You know, I just don't
see whose place they're gonna take. You never know, But
for all intents and purposes, the depth chart going in

(12:00):
in terms of targets is how it is coming out. Yeah,
well what are we thinking now?

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I mean I would just say one one thing on that,
like they didn't really replace Nelson Aguil or leaving. So
I do think that there's a you know, a wide
receiver spot generally, you know, it's shifts every year, but
I would say generally there's a spot available. I mean,
I don't you know, I'm not going to bang the
drum and say either one of those guys is going
to do it, but I just I think it's it's
Bill O'Brien, it's Mike KASICKI you know, it's Juju Smith
Schuster that. I mean, those are the guys that you're

(12:25):
counting on to get things right this year on offense.
And I mean I do I would just say, though,
you know, like I keep asking myself, like, well, Mike,
what did you what did you think was going to
move the needle on off It's like, other than a
first round pick. Once we got out of the first
round pick, you know, maybe there was one of those
tight ends that could move the needle. But I just
you know, I'm asking myself in retrospect, what was I
hoping for? And I think I was almost I wasn't

(12:47):
putting a name to my claim.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
In my head, my name was a trade. My name
was Jerry Judy.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, and that's a name to the claim, and that's
what I'm trying to put a name to the claim.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Looking at available guys, we're talking a lot about Day
two receivers, whether it be tight ends or wide receivers.
You guys both like Downs more than me.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think we didn't go till I mean, he was
more your guy though, you know, like, but.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
He went two picks after they picked Mop of day Yeah,
I am too.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
Yeah, And that's like, I'm not telling you that they
would have moved the needle, but I think that there
have been a lot of guys drafted over the last
five years at that position that have done that.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
From day two, we talked about that a lot, right,
I mean.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
It didn't have to be a first round receiver because
I agree with their assessment of the receivers as a
total aside. And I don't want to like bog this
down on you guys, but I saw the thing that
Mike had about, you know, Keeon White being a consideration
at seventeen. How do you how do we feel about
that because it worries me when I read stuff like that,
when a guy gets taken thirty picks later and you

(13:50):
were gonna you were comfortable taking them, that that kind
of worries me.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
And they weren't doing backflips like they were for Gonzales,
like if you still got a player that you were
ready to take a seventeen like, you know, because we
didn't really get the same sense of like, oh my god.
It's just you got the sense they feel like they
nailed the Gonzales pick and they were lucky to get them.
You'd think that that would be the same attitude if
that was the case. But I'm not even I mean,
it'll sound like they really love them.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
I'm not fixated on like the whole you know, Evan
was trying to bait me all all uh Thursday night, Like,
I'm not going to fixate on that. They clearly didn't
love Gonzales or they wouldn't have rolled the dice. I'm
not fixated on that because they got them and that's
all that matters. And I think it's a good pick,
But that's a big gap seventeen to forty six. Huge,
Like to me, that's showing that you didn't know the

(14:34):
board if you thought that that was a guy that
you had to take at seventeen. And now they did
they feel like they were lucky that he was available
at forty six.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Well, you say they had to take it seventeen. Maybe
they just on their board he was he was rated that.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
High, right, That's what I'm saying. And else's board had
him rated that high, Well, I just I guess it
wouldn't have been available. The one pushback I would just
have on that is, I do think that scheme comes
into play with these boards. So the Patriots' view of
Keon White is going to be different than teams that
don't play a two gapping three. That's why I prefaced
the whole thing is I don't need it's it's a

(15:11):
very subjective thing. It's not something no and I like
Keon White. I've really like I didn't know a ton
about him when we when we drafted him. I said
that Friday night when we drafted him. But you know,
I'm looking, I'm you know, doing some research and trying
to get my profile ready for him, and I'm I
do think that he's he could be a valuable player
on this team. I don't think that he is a

(15:33):
impact player in the passing game, which was the one
thing that I that I had mentioned Friday. But I
think he's going to be a good player, So I
have no problem with the pick. I think it's a
really good second round pick. I kind of looked back
at last year like cold Strange. Clearly they were the
only team that was even thinking about Cold Strange when
they took him. So could this have been a cold

(15:53):
Strange where they're taking like they could have taken Keyon
Let's say, for what for aarguments save Washington took Gonzales
instead of Forbes? Forbes, do we then take Keon White
at seventeen and we've never would have known that he
would have been available thirty picks later? But he was
right like that kind of stuff. I mean, I know
it's a crapshooting all but that kind of stuff kind

(16:14):
of worries.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Why did that is that Reese reporting that they were
thinking of Yeah, he said that there were four guys.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
He knew that Gonzales and Keon White. I'm sure he
knows all four, but he didn't report it all four.
And then if you put.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
Because they didn't get the other two.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah, if you put Brears spin on it of Jamiir Gibbs,
I guess that's three. So we're kind of waiting on
finding out who the fourth guy was. I I just
putting my Patriots, you know, brain on. I would think
it would be Deontay Banks from Maryland.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
But I don't know, you know, so I don't know
where Mike is getting it from. But like, what if
the Patriots got that information out there, so other teams
thought they were interested in Jamier Gibbs or you know,
I like, I don't.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Know, Detroit put it out there. They Detroit told, but
they got it in somewhere Detroit, Yeah, Detroit.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
No, but Detroit got it from something.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Like they thought that the Patriots might be interested in
Jamior Gibbs. But why because Detroit told Detroit think that
I don't know why, because why did exactly why did
the Patriots think that the Jets were going to take
Broderick Jones? But because you just you just do no,
you just have a feeld No.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
But you there's stuff going on out there that you
have moles or you have people.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
That I think Evan just gave you a very plausible example.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
But sometimes teams put out these things so other teams think, oh,
they're interested in Jamior Gibbs, we got to take him.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Well.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
I also would say that the Lions.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
It happens, Paul, That's.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
How it works, like, okay, so what's the point. It's
it's what's the point?

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Who?

Speaker 5 (17:47):
Okay? So they didn't they didn't want Keon so they
didn't really want key On White.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Possibly they didn't want Jamiir Gibbs.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
I don't care about Jamier Gibbs. He went six page earlier.
I'm talking about the guy that they could have picked
at seventeen that they picked at forty seven.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I'm just saying this information. It's it's not always well,
you know.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
I think that we try to do sometimes. And when
I say we, I mean the collective media talkers, you know, analysts.
We try to paint everything it's such a positive light.
I don't think that paints them in a positive light.
I think that was put out in a way to say, Wow,
what a great job the Patriots. They got two guys
that they would have taken in the first parts. And
I looked at it just like they were going to

(18:25):
take the almost took one guy way earlier than they
needed to. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
And then one of the big thoughts I had coming
out of this draft, I don't know why specifically this
one was like I really wonder how big the Patriots
board actually is because part of me wonders if there's like,
it's twenty guys, like I mean, it's literally twenty guys,
and that's when they get to the point where they're
just like mapoo. No, I don't know, that's what we
gotta do, you know, take the kicker.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah, I would say that based off of what we've
heard in the past on that seventy five players, I
think is Max would be there there.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
It's probably like twenty players that we've never even heard.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Right, and in a year like this, it might even
have been even smaller because this this draft is a
little bit watered down to begin with.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
So Hevin, you did some you did some research yesterday,
you know, talking about the draft. I'm just curious if
you talk to anybody that indicated that that booty was
taken off of anyone's board.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
No.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
I actually got a lot of really positive reviews on
to Mario Douglas and a player that I think that
you know, the Patriots went into Gross said that they
went into the Shrine Bowl, but the you know, the
people I spoke with, it was really the Malik Willis
season that that put to Mario Douglas.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
That's my concerns with him.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
On the on the map. And then the Patriots went
into the Shrine Bowl already knowing who to Mario Douglas
was and wanting him on their Shrine Bowl roster. And
I also heard that they put a pretty hefty install
in on the offensive side of the ball to test
the guys mentally, and to Mario Douglas is one of
the guys that was up late at night, you know,

(19:57):
going through the playbook, going through things and and really
had a good grasp on what they're trying to do.
I think the one that obviously the frame, and he's
five foot eight, you know, one hundred and seventy nine pounds.
I think it was one seventy nine, so he's small.
But I think the one thing that that people that
I spoke with, because my biggest question was, well, he's

(20:17):
got a really similar frame and he's got a really
similar athletic profile to downs in Ze Flowers, So why
do they go first and third round? And he goes
sixth round, and I think a lot of people pointed to, Uh,
he's a little bit raw in his route running. He's
kind of good at what he's good at right now,
but he doesn't have like a full route tree of
routes that at his disposal. And he doesn't play on
the outside. You know, those guys have at least some

(20:38):
especially Zay has some potential to play on the outside.
But Douglas, I think everybody felt like was a true
inside guy with Booty. I didn't hear that he was
off anybody's board. I think the biggest thing that people
questioned about him is is that guy that with the
nineteen year old booty? Is that does that player still exist?
Like regardless of the off field stuff and getting him
locked in.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
Ye, with that nineteen year old you can get physical
right on the right on.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
The I didn't even didn't even hear that physically is
the ankle and is he does that explosiveness still exist
because I think a lot of people are making that
pick out to be well, if they can just get
him on the tracks mentally that he's he's gonna be fine.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
That's only part of it.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
The other part of it is that he had two
surgeries on the same ankle because it didn't heal properly
the first time, and twenty twenty two he did not
look like he had the same juice as he had
pre ankle injuries. So he did start to come on
later in the year. Though SEC championship game against Georgia
had over one hundred yards, so maybe they're that further

(21:48):
we get removed, but then the combine wasn't good, so
a lot of people are concerned about if that guy
still still exists in him.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
But he was originally going to go back, yeah and yeah.
Basically Brian Kelly said you're no longer part of the family,
and he ended up opting out of the bowl game
and declaring. But to Evan's point, there there it's twofold,
it's maturity and physical and then like there's talent there.

(22:15):
There's no doubt. I mean, we've seen the highlights. We
saw There's there's one clip that everybody's putting out there
of him absolutely dusting Forbes on a on a slant.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
He takes fault.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
Sorry. So the the other part of it is like
you look back, the freshman year is what really got him,
Like he as a true freshman stepped in and ended
up having a start because guys ended up leaving and
it was it was him and he had a great year.
But about let's say forty of his production came in
one game. It had over three hundred yards in one game.

(22:47):
I think he finished with like seven hundred and fifty
yards against that year. I think there's a lot to
be intrigued. Like I said, I think it's a fantastic
six round pick because I like, if it, let's just say,
he like flames out, like epically, you've lost nothing, right, Yeah,
there's only something to This is truly one of the
the Pagriots fans point every transaction into all you know,

(23:10):
all risk, no you know, I mean no risk, all rewarded.
This one is truly that there's nothing lost and if
he doesn't make I mean, it reminds me a lot.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Of those times when they've gone and gotten like first
round picks that have flamed out in the league and
haven't quite worked out. I mean, you know, it's this
kid was like a five star recruit. I mean he
you know, it's just one of those guys that is
a natural receiver that's dripping with talent. I'm with you, Paul.
I love the shot on it. I love to see
just what he looks like when he gets out there.
And I think you heard it from mac Ro too,
like directly, like he was talking to Kaishawn Bhute when

(23:40):
he did his press conference right after, like it's going
to be up to him, so they're, you know, laying
down the gauntlet for him if you want this opportunity
here it is.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
It really feels like the injury is the bigger deal
than the off the field stuff. To me, I think
he's a kid that almost had a great opportunity taken
away from him because of his off the field antics.
I don't think people do that twice. I don't think
and like you are.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
Who you get trouble at a school like that was
you was really hard?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Really, I feel like it's really.

Speaker 7 (24:06):
I think they have they overlook everything, but they have
so much they get crazy. The other one, I just
feel like you put him in New England in this
locker room, and like you are who you surround yourself with.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Like Aaron Hernandez did all kinds of stuff at Florida
and got away with it because you get away with
that stuff at those programs.

Speaker 7 (24:25):
It's a different world now though, when Aaron Hernandez is
in college, I think that's way more online. If like
I don't know, I'm giving the kid a chance, like
if he wants to come in here.

Speaker 5 (24:38):
But I think I think the maturity is as big
a part of I agree with Evan. I think it's both.
I think it's I think the maturity is a big
problem to a guy in his first year.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
I also just think that, you know, talking to everybody,
that I keep on gravitating back to Douglas because that's
the that's a patriot type of guy. Douglas is the
type of that's gonna be here twelve hours a day
working on his craft, studying the playbook, or you know
he wants he has that drive. I'm not saying that
Boot doesn't necessarily have it, but just based off of
what we've heard about him, he's not wired that way necessarily.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
He's the guy that just has so much talent that
he steps on the field on Sunday and he's just
better than everybody else. Douglas is the worker, and I
think the one comp that I got for him that
made me excited was that he's like if Marcus Jones
was full time on offense, Like, that's the type of player.
They can, you know, throw the gadget plays to him,
they can throw throw balls to him down the field.

(25:34):
I don't know if he'll be as explosive and electric
as Marcus Jones was, but that was the general feeling
was that that's sort of the skill set that you're
getting with him.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
So what an interesting study though, I mean, I just
like a lot of the draft for me now is
just like who am I curious when we get out
on the field, just to see how they move in?
Like you laid it out, These two guys, both six
round receivers, draft pretty close to each other, you know,
kind of kind of some definite differences in how they
have gone about things. But what's it? Because I feel
like there is an opportunity for one of if one

(26:03):
of those guys is consistent, can be out there every day,
catches everything that's thrown his way, I think he's going
to get a chance to contribute to the to the
offense this year. But I don't think there's a guarantee
that either one of them do. I'm just crossing my
fingers one of them, but it's an interesting competition.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
If one of them pans out, it could push Kendrick
Bourne off the roster.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
Well, there's four. They have four receivers, right, I mean Taekwon, Parker,
Thornton and Bourn.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Yeah. So Mike said at the beginning of the show
his room for a fifth receiver, but a contributor. Like
if one of these guys is just here, and that's
one thing. If one of these guys is so good
in the off season in training camp that he establishes
a role for himself, it could push a guy like
Born off the roster.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
That would definitely to me, I think the better odds
are that being Boutie, assuming that he recaptures what he
had early at LSU. But I think with him, he's
either contributing and on the fifty three or he's out
of the building. Like I think Douglas is the type
of guy that you could put on a practice squad
and develop and behind the scenes, and maybe he's not

(27:04):
ready right now, but he's ready next year to try
to make a push for the roster. Booty is not
the type of guy that you have on the practice squad,
Like he's either gonna be on the team, or he's
gonna be into somebody else's.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
I mean, effort was a question in college before he
was getting paid.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Right, we mentioned Booty had a good game against Georgia.
There's another player that the Patriots picked that didn't have
a good game against Georgia, and some people think that
might have contributed to him being available at seventeen.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
That's Gonzales.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
But there's some context around that.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
I guess, first game of the season, Patriot first game
of the season, but I mean, you know it's he
didn't he didn't look great. I mean, he looked not
physical and you know, got run over a couple of times.
But I mean, I think Evan dove into it too.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I think there's I want a cornerback like that's athletic.
I don't really like that's fine, like they have every
cornerback out here can tackle, Like you're telling me, Like,
I don't know. I mean, he's, yeah, he's next level athletic,
but I don't know if he's a good tackler. I'm like,
I'm past that point. I think the lead who can cover,
and that's what it's about. And even in that game,
you can see how next level athletic. The kid is

(28:06):
the way he moves to space. But you know, I
was not impressed with some of his you know, I
mean they got run over by Georgia. They weren't ready
to play.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
They were the team itself wasn't ready. It's hard for
like one cornerback to stand out, right, Oh, I was
ready to play with the other ten guys sucked. That's hard.
That's hard.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
I think that this is probably there's I have other
issues with him on film, but none of them are glaring.
And this Georgia game thing is just so ridiculous to me.
But it's not out of the norm for top corners.
I think, you know, the guy that really stands out
and this is a j. Terrell who got torched by

(28:44):
Jamar Chase when he played LSU in college and it
caused him to fall, and now he's all pro cornerback
in the league. So Jalen Ramsey similar thing. He had
one game you know, back in his day, didn't cause
him to fall, but he had one thing, one game
where he didn't play well that everybody sort of questioning it.
With Gonzalez, the plays that people are talking about against

(29:06):
the run with him are him trying to take on
pulling tackles or Darnell Washington at the point of attack.
And if you didn't want to draft a corner because
he can't take on a two hundred and seventy pound
tight end coming at him at full speed in the
running game, then I guess you just didn't like the player,
like I don't know, like that, that's why you're not

(29:27):
drafting him, I think is a little bit weird. And
then the one real catch that he gave up, he
gave up a couple of screens, and the one real
catch he gave up was an eighteen yard touchdown on
a perfectly placed back shoulder where the guy the receiver
had to toe tap in the corner of the end
zone to get his feet and bounce. So could he
have played better in the game. Yeah, absolutely, wasn't his
best game by any means. But I think some of

(29:48):
the nippicks on that one are a little bit of egregious.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
I do think that they were a little bit egregious,
and I agree with with that notion. I just wish
with him just for the ease of mind. You know,
we all love the pick, but I wish there was
some examples of the others the other way. Okay, so
he went up against Georgia and you know, they didn't
play very well that day. I wish that they went
up against USC and like Caleb Williams with maybe Jordan Addison,

(30:14):
you know, but they didn't. They didn't play. So instead
it was like picking on a one on eleven Colorado team.

Speaker 8 (30:20):
You know.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
I wish there was that other side. I could say, well, yeah,
he struggled against Page Georgia, but a chance, you know,
he didn't really get a chance to play against a
you know, a really top level and I don't really
think george is a top level offense. I think Stetsan
Bennett's thinks.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Well, he did play against Michael Wilson, who was the
third round pick this weekend, and really played well against
the at the Senior Bowl, and he took him out
of the game. So that was the one that I like.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
I mean, I like the player. You don't have to
sell me out.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Well, at Georgia. The Georgia game, what I was really
impressed with was his coverage ability. I think he held
up really well in coverage. And then against Michael Wilson
and Stanford, he was a lot more physical in that
game than he was in the Georgia game. So again
it's they're running these these crack tosses in these sweeps,
trying to get the DB's in the in the run game,

(31:10):
and he's got you know, three hundred and ten pound
tackles and Broderick Jones coming right at him, and people
are saying that, oh, well, he didn't take on Brodrick
Jones and make the tackles.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
It's not what I'm paying them for.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, I know, I know, but but that's what that's
what the conversation is about, is when it comes to
that Georgia game.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
All right, eight five five Pats five hundred is the
A Sticket hotline, web radio at Patriots dot com is
the email address. Uh, take a quick phone call. Let's see,
we've got Anthony in Seattle. What's up, Anthony? Hey?

Speaker 9 (31:44):
Hey, hey, hey, you got to hear me?

Speaker 10 (31:46):
All right?

Speaker 9 (31:47):
Yep, all right, great, hey, I got a rant today.
And uh so, first and first and foremost, I love
the Gonzales pick. All right, So that's who I want
it know, full disclosure, I don't watch college ball, but
you know, Evan taught me that I loved Christian Zales.

(32:09):
Duce taught me that the only guy worth trading up
would be Christian Zals and that would be dream scenario
if we could get him, but that we shouldn't expect
that because he's not supposed to make it outside of
the top ten. So when he was on the clock
at eleven or Tennessee was on the clock at eleven,
I mean that's when I started calling for trade up.
I'm like, you know, we got good relationship with Rabel, Like,

(32:31):
can we get this pick? So for sure when he
falls to you at fourteen, just make the pick, man, Like,
why are you playing around?

Speaker 11 (32:38):
Now?

Speaker 9 (32:38):
Here's my problem. Now we still got the guy, and
I'm ecstatic about it. But here's my issue with Bill
Belichick is he's going to still look like a genius
because it worked out. But you're going to gamble that pick.
You're going to play around with that pick because when
the clock came on, when they got on the clock
at seventeen, the ten minut'clock, when we made it to nine,

(32:59):
they picked him immediately. To me, that means he was
the guy at fourteen and he gambled it. So you're
gonna you're gonna risk losing your Batman so you can
pick up an extra Robin later like that is just
silly to me. And for a guy who claims that
he's he's always about the best interest of the team,
that seems like he was more so trying to show
that he's the smartest guy in the room once again,

(33:20):
and that came back. I mean, first off, Washington picked
the corner, and I think they probably picked the wrong guy.
They should have taken govin dollars. But what's worse man
if the Jets take him at fifteen and pair him
up with Sauce Gardner. Also, you can get an additional
fourth man that is a fireball fin I'm sorry, thank
you for the sixth titles. Goodbye. Don't even let him

(33:42):
finish the draft. You go from looking like looking like
the old one.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I mean, Anthony Marble, you're right, if you're right, if
that's the only person they liked at fourteen, But apparently
they had a handful of guys that they were willing to,
you know, pick at that position. You know, any one
of them, in any one of them would have been
a guy that they would have been happy with.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
I wouldn't read. I mean that irritates me, but I
wouldn't read into the amount of time it takes, Like,
so they go from fourteen to seventeen, what do you
think that they did during that time. I think they
were probably constantly, yes, constantly, fielding calls for trades. They realized,
there isn't one that we like, so what are we doing?
I tried, I had plenty of time to make a move.

(34:23):
And I do agree with Fred. I don't think it
was one guy. I think they were probably comfortable taking
in a way handful of them. I mean, that's you.
I mean, and Anthony's right.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
If there was just one guy and they were just gambling, yeah,
then that's stupid. But I don't believe.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
But I do think it was. It was a somewhat
of it. I don't think anywhere near as strongly as
Anthony about it, which is why even even I wasn't
willing to argue about it, and I still am not
willing to argue about it. But it was a risk
for the one hundred and twentieth pick. To me, it
wasn't worth risking losing any of the players that you liked.
If you could say that, like, there were three players there,
and I would have been happy with any of them. Well,

(34:59):
I want my choice any of the three, so you
risk losing one of them anyway.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
I just can't imagine.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
But the one hundred and twenty fifth, that's my point.
I just I don't feel strongly enough about it to
get mad about it. But it was a take a
needless as solus when if you know this happened, if it, well,
it didn't. Like so they they got the player, like
I have gripes about the whole rest of the draft
that are more important than arguing about whether or not
they should have taken them at fourteen. Because it's not
important to me and you doesn't mean it's not important

(35:26):
to other people. They they felt strongly about the guy
they took, and wish that the Patriots felt as strongly
like for you and me, like, I'm with you. It's
I understand why people are wondering about it. It's not
something that's keeping me up.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (35:38):
But also, like all the calls you're making on draft dal,
all the teams you're in connection with, is it I mean,
you guys would know this better than I. But is
it plausible to imagine that the Patriots might have had
a really good idea who was going to go in
between those two texts, I thought they were okay possible.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
It's you know that they knew that none of these
people would take Christian concerned.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
I think it would be better.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
More possible that they had a handful of guys that
any one of them they were happy at seventeen.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Yeah, and I just don't I think it would be
more believable if Washington didn't take a corner like Washington
taking a corner. They Yeah, they might have loved Forbes
because they didn't think there was any chance Gonzalez.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Was gonna be there, but Forbes is so much different.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
May have liked Forbes better, but he's also a.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Much different player. Like this is where I think that
you know, we were talking about Keon White earlier. This
is where scheme matters in the draft because Forbes is
a zone corner. Forbes is a ballhawking zone corner that's
gonna play off and gonna gonna go and get the football.
He's not a pressman corner that you're gonna have shadow
receivers like Christian Gonzalez. So in Jack del Rio's system

(36:42):
in Washington, Forbes makes more sense for them than Christian
Gonzalez does from a schematic standpoint. So if you have
those two guys, now I didn't, but I'm looking at
it from a Patriots prism. But if they have those
two guys relatively close and the scheme fits better with Forbes,
then you're gonna go with Forbes. So I don't think
it's just comparing, right.

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We'll be right back after we're full.

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Speaker 2 (45:34):
History, Really, that's like Paul, you know, slamming down the
D'Angelo sob because he didn't like that, you know, didn't
it's all performative. It's performative.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
It didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It happened right there.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
It was.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
It was so funny. I mean, he says it doesn't happen,
it happened.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Oh no, no, that didn't. I didn't slam any.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
We were all sitting at the table.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
He comes walking up because we're way eating for the
food to be served. You know, he comes walking up,
sits down and just puts the puts the sandwich in
the middle of the table.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
If he wants to say that I walked through the
press box with attitude to let everybody know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's I would absolutely i'd cop to that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Did I put it down with it?

Speaker 5 (46:19):
And then when you sat.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Down, what did you do?

Speaker 5 (46:20):
I just put I put my sandwich down and sat
down and ate it. I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
So you weren't trying to make a statement.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
It is no, no, no, no, no. I necessarily say I
wasn't making a stake. Put it right in the middle.
I had one too many pieces of chicken with a
bone in it.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
He put right in the It was it was a
you're paying and.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Everybody was pissed, but I was the only one that
did anything about it.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
And we were cracking up, like like we were all
laughing because we knew what he was doing.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
It's like I've had it. I literally I literally went
to the line, turned and said, I can't do this again.
I'm going I'm going to De Angelos and I went
to get a sub and I was back in ten minutes.
And they would die. The Friend's right, they would die
and laugh.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
That might be be on steak Tips next week. That's
another great moment from.

Speaker 19 (47:00):
I.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Like Paul, everybody was pissed, but I was the only
one that did anything about right, Like he's norma Ray,
you know, just making a stand.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
It was like dropped the Michael and it was dropped
the sandwiches, like, you know, that's it.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
It was very funny. More Chicken with the ball. It
was very funny, very funny. Back here and Patriots Unfiltered
eight five to five Pass five hundred is the a
sticket houtline web radio at patriot dot com as the
email address. Alex and Evan left for the Matt Judon
availability jujuh Juju Smith Schuster availability. Paul left for a camera.

(47:31):
He's got to film something for All Access TV show.
They'll be back, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah, they'll report back. How the juju avail was. This
is the first one since he signed.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
So with Stus and I, Matt and Carlsbad, California, writes
in and web radio at Patriots dot Com. I've been
listening since two thousand and eight, and Paul, you've always
been my second favorite on the podcast, next to the
legend freddie K. It was extremely enjoyable listening to your
change of heart with Evan. You went from hating the
guy and pretty much calling him a fraud, which culminated

(48:00):
when you asked him why he isn't coaching in the NFL. Wow,
huge rocket shop. Please don't deny it. But after some
time he won you over and now you're clearly an
Evan fan. Nice job, Paul, I'm proud of you. Also,
I too, love the value of the booty pick.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
I think probably would bristle at quite quite a couple
of things there from that email, but uh, well, but
he did he asked Evan. I mean, I think that's
a good question for Evan though, and I don't think
it was a shot. It's like, why don't you coach?
In the NFL. I just think, why don't you do
you have any aspirations to coach because he clearly loves
that side of the game so much. And I also
would say that I don't think that he's an amateur
but yet either, So both sides of the coin with

(48:36):
that one. But yeah, they're they're fun together.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Let's get to the phones, Patty and agawam's been holding on.
What's up, Patty and how you doing?

Speaker 9 (48:47):
Pretty good?

Speaker 20 (48:48):
Pretty good? I just want to sound white. I'm really
excitted about the Christian Dollars pick. And then they've never
taken a cornerback that high before to develop like we've gotten.
When Belichick got here, obviously had Ty Law. You know,
they had a Keith Khalib who kind of flamed out

(49:08):
in Tampa Bay that we resurrected his career Steph Gilmore.
Like you guys were saying during the draft, you know,
he was drafted pick number ten. I don't think he
ever really hit his peek until like midway through his
first year here. But I'm excited to see like what,
you know, what what he can be and do and
like like this year and next year, you know, and

(49:31):
throughout the life of this rick and contract and hopefully
I mean, if he's a player, they they they sign him,
you know, when a rookie deals up and they have
him stick around.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Absolutely, I think it's a good point by Patty, just like,
you know, because we've seen them take receivers. I guess
they kind of took Gilmore to the next level, but
certainly Revis was really good before he got here, and
he was really good here after, you know, a similar
kind of i'd say breaking in period. Curious what you
guys would say about that. But but you know, we've
also seen them take undrafted rookies and and changed them

(50:03):
into you know, starting caliber cornerbacks. I don't think we've
ever quite seen them get a ball of clay quite
like Christian Gonzalez, who's just so athletic. I mean, that's
one of the things I'm just excited to see is
just his athleticism on the field. You talk about like
Barmore's burst, like that's just something like his relentlessness that
just in training camp are like, man, this guy is
a handful. Just to see how Gonzalez moves in space,

(50:26):
how well he's able to match against, you know, coverage
against some of these guys and NFL players as a
rookie and he's twenty years old, so I mean you've
got him for five years, so yeah, you know, he's
just it's it's exciting to think where they possibly could
develop this kid with their track record and working with corners.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
As far as I can remember, I mean, we've taken
cornerbacks in the first round, but never this high before,
and never one as highly rated as this guy. So
it'll be curious to see, you know, what a highly
rated cornerback looks like right out of the shoot and
training camp.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
It's like, I mean even I remember as a kid
watching Ty Law out of the gate and just being
like this guy as are right immediately.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I guess, I'm I don't wreck myself.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Where did he get to selected? I guess I know
he was.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
First round and he was pretty high out of Michigan.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
I'm trying to think where he had he just looked
had the look.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah he did, Yeah he did. And you know, and
I just remember when Revis got here, you know, like
even at his age, he just he just did it differently,
but it like he was twenty third yeah, but he
was highly rated.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Oh yeah, same kind of thing you could just tell
like he just has that look like you know, he
always had it. He always I mean, give him twenty
four too, and it's even better.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Uh, Dylan in South Carolina? What's up Dylan.

Speaker 9 (51:43):
There?

Speaker 6 (51:44):
Yep, kind of sorry, guys. I just wanted to call.
I'm listening all since I was fifteen years old. Wow,
And that's the first time I ever called in And yeah,
I pretty much raised my football line and I just
wanted to say thank you over the years, and it
blows my mind here after year where you guys get
rid of Eric and Andy and y'all continuously bring guys

(52:07):
in that are entertaining knowledgeable like Evan. I never would
have thought Evan Bazaar would be as big as he
is on this show. But he's one of the main
reasons that's to me. And it's kind of unfortunately his
phone call right now to let him know that, uh.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
He doesn't.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Well, he'll hear it on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
He's probably listening right now, just in case we said
anything about him.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, but that's great. Yeah, that is awesome, Dylan. Thank
you for listening since you're fifteen and in the compliments,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
I would Yeah, man.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
One last thing. I grew up in in South Carolina
where he's pretty pretty familiar with Stefan Gilmore. And when
I see Christian Gonzalez, I see a long, lanky corner,
uh man corner outside and uh, I think Bill Brolsk

(53:02):
is gonna do big things with him.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Let's hope that's great. We'll see how Thanks Dylan.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, I would say too, just my own, like, since
Evan's not here, I'll give him a compliment. It was just,
I mean, it was fun getting to kind of get
pushed by him in the draft this year because he
knows so much. He just does so much work on
all these guys, and it's fun to come in and
you know, I would And we tried not to talk
too much because we didn't want to get like the
group think going. But it was really fun when we'd
kind of have, hey, Evan, let's talk about Devin Witherspoon,

(53:29):
you know, just bring in somebody that I had kind
of watched on my radar, and you know, to get
his point of view. And I mean, honestly, a lot
of the times we kind of had similar thoughts on guys.
I mean, I think it's probably because both of us
were raised by kind of watching this team and what
this team looks for and what kind of players they like.
So I think our opinions are often similar, but he
just he does so much research and depth. That was

(53:49):
it was a huge asset to the draft show this year.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Let's see John at South Carolina says Paul's right, fans
are idiots. It's been two years in a freaked up
COVID year that screwed up everyone's plans. The Patriots have
had to replace their offensive coaching staff, defensive coaching staff,
and almost do a complete team rebuild. I feel all
the fans that are ready for a change at head
coach or one hundred percent delusional. When Brady left, I thought, well,

(54:15):
we have five tough years ahead. Bill Belichick's worst skill
is drafting talent, always has been, so I always expected
the rebuild to take more time. I never saw another
super Bowl before he retires. We are just spoiled love
the draft shows. The guy who turned it off can
falk off?

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Okay, I mean like the video, I guess, I guess,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
I don't know, I don't know. Let's go to Willem
and philam what's up? Willem.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
How are you doing, William?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah all right, okay, Yeah, I'm okay, I'm okay, and.

Speaker 16 (54:51):
I heard you, dude.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
I'm ready, man, you got you bring it every cop
come on.

Speaker 9 (55:00):
I'm okay, man.

Speaker 11 (55:01):
I just oh god, you know.

Speaker 9 (55:05):
It is what it is.

Speaker 19 (55:09):
I had a question for Evan first, so I have and.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Evan's not here.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah, he's coming back with me.

Speaker 18 (55:19):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (55:19):
You talk about the quarterback that we I guess we
were done drafted, that we picked up with Malik kin
of hand.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Yeah, yeah, call him undrafted. Lamar Jackson runs like the
wind really really, I mean I'm intrigued by that. Like
he's got great speed. I think he's got some short
accuracy based on what I was research I did deep
ball not so much. But it's hard not to look
at him and just see him, you know, sprinting up
the middle on on the kind of Lamar Jackson plays,

(55:46):
and not at least be interested to see him in camp,
but also just wonder if there's you know, a roster
spot for him, maybe on the practice squad at least,
just to get him ready for like the fields that
the Lamars of the world that they just had no
answers for last year. So I don't know, but I'm intrigued.
I don't know if there's any kind of if anybody's
going to make the case of, oh, maybe he makes
some noise as a quarterback in camp. It seems like
generally people don't really think he's got that skill set.

(56:08):
But is this the kid run? And he's open to
a position change and they gave him I think that
was my question. So they gave him some money to
come here, so they they, you know, is.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
There a possibility he could play another position?

Speaker 3 (56:18):
And that's the reports going on yesterday that he's open
to that. So we'll see where he ends up. But
he's another guy that, you know, just interested to see
in camp for sure. And and I mean we talked
about DTR all the time, about getting a quarterback that
can run. This kid can't throw the ball like DTR can,
but but I think he can run, probably maybe a
little bit better than he.

Speaker 9 (56:34):
Cankay, Okay, all right, thanks.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Thanks thanks one.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

Speaker 11 (56:44):
Hey, I got a question. But NFL Network gave bial
a plus for the first date. I ain't for a
second date. In a A for the third day in draft.
Do y'all believe in that crap?

Speaker 3 (57:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I mean I believe they did it. But you know,
did they give anyone a really bad grade?

Speaker 18 (57:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (57:09):
They gave Uh, I've got Detroit a C and and
some some other teams see but bs and but he.
But they gave bill an a plus doun dollars A
for the second day and a minors assume a mine
for the second day and A for the third day.
For the people they picked. I'm like, are you kidding?
Altum lineman and a punter you could have got received

(57:32):
in a tight end.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah, you didn't get to tackle.

Speaker 11 (57:37):
I don't know, so I can't understand that.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Maybe it's just because they took ninety I mean I
don't I don't know if they're like basing it on
uh just the player rating or based on team needs
or you know, I don't know how they do. But
I don't put any stock in any of that now grades.

Speaker 11 (57:54):
Uh one more question due, uh, I see we got
just two corners speed and and the dude out of
jeckt Now the train by training by about prime yep,
what do you think they fit in? Is they slow?

Speaker 7 (58:08):
What?

Speaker 8 (58:09):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (58:09):
What they got them the sixth rounds?

Speaker 2 (58:11):
What do you speed?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Ain't slow speed speeds? Speed's got four to three? Uh,
you know, I hate saying how they might be special
teams guys, but I do think that there's an, you know,
an opportunity. I think both guys have decent size that
neither one of them are as small as you know,
Marcus Jones or you know, Jonathan Jones, So they do
have that going for them. I just it's a it's
a kind of a weird cornerback group. I was looking
at it. There's some guys that people probably aren't aware

(58:32):
are on the roster named Quandrey Moseley and Rodney Randall
that were you know, some late season signing guys early offseason.
So uh, I don't have high expectations for those those
last two picks, but I do think that it's that
there might be some opportunity there. It's just it's like
all the special teams guys. There's so many special teams guys.
How's that all gonna play out? I tried messing around

(58:52):
with a fifty three man roster, right, I didn't find
it all that hard with guys I really wanted to
keep but it's all these you know, B level cornerbacks,
interior offensive lineman. How's that all gonna shakeout?

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Thanks? Aldred, appreciate the call. Matt and Devin Uk writing
in at web radio at Patriot dot com first great
draft coverage, so thank you for that. It was great
having Evan during the process this year rather than Eric.
He was like upgrading Rex Grossman with Tom Brady. I've
got one statement and then a question. I said to

(59:22):
myself that if we managed to get Gonzales, then I
wouldn't complain about anything else that happened in the draft,
as we would have finally selected my favorite player but
also a talented player. But why did Bill have to
ruin it with the rest of the draft. I just
don't get why he doesn't take it seriously. My question
is for Paul who just walked in. Do you think

(59:45):
that we should trade for AJ Brown? As sure? What happened?
Who's deleting emails here? What is going on? Uh? Oh?
Like one by one these emails are being deleted. Wow,
right in front of it, like I'm not even touching.
Oh my god, that is so weird.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
Someone wants to trade for A J. Brown?

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Again?

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
I don't think he's available, but yes, I would trade.

Speaker 9 (01:00:11):
For a J.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Brown, Yes I would.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
That's so weird that all these emails just get deleted anyway,
that's weird. Wow, I'll try another one, see what happens.
Mike writes in I have no problem with the draft
other than not grabbing a tight end. They appeared to
shore up the kicking game, added a few receivers that
potentially could fit drafted speed, which we all have been
complaining about them doing. It appears dougger and on when

(01:00:35):
you are out the door next year, I hope they
are both a priority.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I mean, I'm with you. I mean, I'm probably with you.
The writing's got to be on the album, Mike on
mind you, I don't, I mean, I don't want to
say he is gone. But if you look all three
of those guys to me, watch a little of those
three linemen they took on day three, they're all like
big Mike, They're all just big maulers that that kind
of style of play. It's not hard to see just

(01:01:00):
and I mean honestly, like that's how it should be.
Like you shouldn't be franchising these guys like you should
be taking day three picks that have a year to
develop and then you plug them into the lineup and
you'll let these guys go. As for Douger, I don't know.
We'll see what Mapu looks like. I mean, Evin thinks
he's going to be a linebacker. I met him on
What's Friday. He don't look like a linebacker in person

(01:01:20):
to me, Like, I don't know, He's just he's thin.
He's he's tall and thin. He's not He looks more
like a tall safety to me than than than a
than a small linebacker. So I know they asked Bill
about putting weight on him and all those kind of things.
So I wouldn't I wouldn't sign off on Dougger just yet.
I mean, he's still the youngest and probably in the
best of that group, unless unless they Dugger played.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
The mccordy position, or is that a waste of his athletic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
I mean I think he could. I just don't know
if it's making the best The best use of him
is his best skill is his physicality in the box.
His size, I mean he's close to a linebacker size
at this point. I mean he hits like a truck.
So hard to say I just I don't. I'm not
really too concerned about that Devin McCarty thing. I think
that they're going to have some combination of Jalen Mills
and Miles Bryant and Jonathan Jones and those three guys

(01:02:05):
who have been in the system for a while and
have played on the back end, and they'll kind of
do it paint by numbers and maybe eventually somebody emerges
as a full time free safety.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
But you can need that if you expect your free
safety to be sort of like the quarterback back there.
It's better to have a guy than have a rotation,
and it's always a different voice.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
I agree with you for I think it's more of
a mental thing, like whether or not a guy has
the physical skills. I think Mike's right. I think you
could probably have Jalen Mills back there. He might be
the guy mentally that's been around. He's you know, has experience.
Jonathan Jones clearly has the speed to do it and
it starts. So that's what I'm worried about with that spot.

(01:02:45):
Not that Devin mccordy wasn't a good player too, but
you know, I think we got an FPFW today just
talking about how good the Patriots have been in recent years,
that you know, not allowing those big kind of plays,
and they really have and they creditedy. I would a
thousand percent agree with that, just being a big part
of the reason for that. Is that a concern And
I said, yes, you did it for ad It is

(01:03:06):
a concern because you're losing him for the first time
in a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yeah, Paul, we had an email who was really congratulating
you on your evan evolution.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
I pushed back for you, Paul, on both things.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
I assume it was sarcastic enough, congratulating you a lot
of credit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
The first point was that was that that you you
bought him out when you asked him if you ever
wanted to be an NFL coach, which I said wasn't
exactly true, like you that you were busting his chops,
that whytn't you go coach in the NFL? I said,
You didn't say NFL coach? He just said generally like
why aren't you into coaching?

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
Why do you waste your time with peons like me?
It was really the tone.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
And then the second one was like and now you
got now you love him, and now you guys, And
I'm like, I don't know if that one's true.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
Yeah, I think Evan would push back on that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Anyways, somebody gave you a compliment. Let's see. Enrique from Monterey,
Mexico was listening to your last podcast and I want
to make one observation, and Paul will back me up here.
Bill Belichick, yes, was Lawrence Taylor's coach, but just X
and O's the one that really had to handle Lawrence

(01:04:11):
Taylor's off the field personality was Bill Parcells. For all
you younger people out there, you have no idea what
a nut job. Lawrence Taylor was coke addict, party goer, prostitution,
et cetera. And Parcells was the only one able to
bring him down back to his senses. Belichick learned to
deal with difficult players from Parcels. That could be true, Okay,

(01:04:34):
Belichick learned a lot more from Parcels than you think.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Oh, I'm sure you know, how could he not?

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
I mean, wow, I've always said that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Okay, Bill Parcells is the Hall of Fame football coach,
just not in the Patriots hallay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
So, and how long was Bill with him? I mean
like eighty four to ninety something, like that somewhere in there.
I mean probably close to a decade, right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I'm not show one the numbers. Let's see, Adam writes
in he is from Louisiana.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Super optimistic about the draft this year. Gonzalez is going
to be a stud our next lockdown corner for the
next five to seven years. Second point out of three.
Any idea when the preseason schedule comes out, I would
assume soon since the regular season is released next Thursday, it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Could be this. I mean opponents usually come first, I think,
and I mean it could come this week, I would guess.
I think next Thursday is when the cover before or after.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
I mean, the preseason schedule isn't done the same way
as the regular schedule. It's done between the teams with
some league guidance because some of the games are national.
But you know, it could come before, you know, the
regular season, or could come just right after it, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Yeah, I mean I remember getting like sometimes and they
tell you, like, then it'll be this day like they
give you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
They give me the weekend yeaheah, it's like August eighth
through eleventh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Yeah, or anytime between six pm and eight pm. You know,
they sometimes they don't know that because the teams are
hashing it out because of concert conflicts and stuff like that.
And finally, who do we think we open with? I
think it'll be Primetime versus the Jets. Well, I do
think it's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Against the Jets would not be the dumb pick. That's
I like what the emailers thinking that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
I do think it's interesting that there was some type
of delay in getting the schedule done up in the
league office because they were waiting to make Lamar official
and to make Rogers right.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
Yeah, and then that insight from Fred Kirk.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Once that became official, it's like, Okay, we need to
get more Jets games in prime time and we need
to have Ravens games in prime time because and I
understand that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Yeah, let's you know, freddy kersh well, if you will,
you win those meetings meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
No, they don't include me in those meetings.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
They don't include me in any meetings.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Surprising.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
No, that makes total sense. I didn't. I don't really
give the schedule a whole lot of thought. Obviously, I
like it. I think you got to make center.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
That obviously the division opponents and we know what the
Jets have done and what the buzz is and I mean,
I love when they pick games that kind of feed
from the offseason narrative of like, all right, this is
all kind of building and the Jets going to jump
the Patriots and you know, put the Patriots down into
into third or fourth place or fourth place.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
I like it, Jack and an Aba. By drafting three
interior alignment in the middle rounds, are the Patriots indicating
they are going to move Cole Strange to left tackle.
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
I'll tell you what though, I mean, cold Strange does
not look like those three guys they drafted, and they
played left guard and right guard, and I know cheese.
I can't, I can't. I don't have all their names
right off the top of my head just yet.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
City Soal played some tackle, but City Sal's the oldest
of the other guy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
City Sale is going to be twenty five next month,
so he's old. I know it's going around fifty five
something played a ton, So I don't know, but I
I didn't totally. I'm not gonna lie. I did think
a little bit about like is this some kind of
cold strange?

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
I threw I threw it out there on Saturday, and
I was summarily dismissed really by you use guys, not
so much because you don't do that to me. I
just find it. They drafted a couple of backup They
drafted two day three offensive lineman last year. They draft
three day three offensive linemen this year. I can't imagine

(01:08:35):
that that's just about Michael and you, right like, because
they're all basically interior guys. Like four out of five
of those guys, I would say Andrew Steuber is probably
a tackle ye like the other the other four guys
are interior guys. So yeah, it's probably an indication that
they didn't love chasing Hines, But it's also an indication

(01:08:57):
that they're worried about the guys as they have the
starters that they have. David Andrews is what thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
One thirty one injury issue issues.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
You know, And I just do I think Cole Strange
is going to lose his starting job. No, I don't,
but I don't think it's just something that you just
dismissed is out of hand.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
But you've got somewhere to go now if you had
had to bench him again, And I mean and if
you're thinking about replacing Andrews, I think correct me if
I'm wrong. But didn't he get pulled from a couple
of games that Andrews was missing from, So you know,
maybe you wonder how reliant on the veteran was he
to make him look better last year?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
That was the narrative Scott and Florence Mass speaking of
Cold Strange.

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
Florence Mass, I'm not familiar with Florence Florence.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
There is a lot of criticism of Belichick as a GM,
which I think is deserved. However, a fair amount of
that criticism recently's focused on the first round selection of
Cole Strange in last year's draft as evidence of Strange
as a failed pick. People will often point out that
he was benched a few times during the past season.
I find this criticism annoying. Everyone knew that Cole Strange

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was an athletically gifted but undersized guard from a small school,
and that was and that he was likely to experience
some growing pains before reaching his full potential. Plus he
was thrown into a dysfunctional offense without an experienced line
coach or coordinator. My memory is that the offensive line
itself was unsettled for parts of the year due to
injury or poor play among the other players. Strange is

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reported to be a hard working athlete, and he seems
to be a decent human being. He himself has said
that he needs to gain weight during the offseason, and
I'm assuming that he's on a training program to achieve
that goal. Criticize Belichick as a GM all you want. Myself,
I've never recovered from the dominic easily pick but to
criticize Cole Strange as a player at this stage seems stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
Well, he was a first set. Let me ask you something.
Is it stupid to credit Marcus Jones as a player?
To credit him, Yeah, to say he's a good player,
is that stupid? Now say I'm happy with that player?

Speaker 14 (01:10:58):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
Is that dumb?

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
No? Why because he is? Because he played well? Yeah,
And it's just as it's just as fair to suggest
when a guy doesn't play well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
But it would be stupid to say that's how Marcus
Jones is going to be for the rest of his career.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
No one's saying that, and neither was anybody saying that
Cole Strange can't play. But they say he struggled as
a rookie and he was overdrafted Paul, and that's a
bad pick. Some people say it's a bust. Yes, it's
not a bus. Year one was a bust.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
That's not what I just said.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
And you know it, Okay, Well what do you think
is going to happen? I don't think he's gonna end up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Being like a first round but I think I think
it's just as stupid to say I know he's going
to be a pro bowler as I know he's going
to be a bust. Same way with Marcus Jones.

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
It's not just as stupid to say the second part
because he was a bust in year one. He wasn't
anywhere near a force.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Well, he wasn't a bus.

Speaker 5 (01:11:48):
He was fred. Oh, come on for one year. Like,
I'm not saying that ends his story as a player.
I didn't say, you said, but in year one he
was in and out of the lineup due to performance.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
And I like the email or said we knew he
was going to struggle.

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
No I didn't. I don't pick first round picks as
plug and play guys that I know are going to struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Listen, listen.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
Then it's a bad pick. It's not one of the
two has to be true.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Well, we'll know it's a bad pick in a few years,
but right now, you can't say.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
This is my whole thing about offensive Lineman. It's why
you can get away with taking offensive Lineman because no
one will ever call him a bust.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
You just did.

Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
I will, but no one. Paul is the only one. Now.
Now he's going to completely change the narrative of this argument.
Be snucky, make fun of me. Everybody laughs at him,
and then we're just people. Do not declare offensive Lineman
as readily bust you as Nikhil Harry. You are not
on It was Nikhil Harry a bust. Youre not Nikil

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Harry a bust. Okay you was it okay to call
him the bust after one year?

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
Okay, it was your consistent.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
It's not okay.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
What do you think he's going to be cold strange?

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
I think he's going to be a fine NFL player, Okay,
I don't okay, I don't think he has fine NFL skills,
you know. I think I think he's gonna be okay once.

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
He I don't think he'll be as good as Isaiah Win.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
I disagree with that he just stays healthy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Yeah, he could win that. I'm hesitant to call him
a bus put me in the in that anti one
just because he played every game. I mean, but I'm calling.

Speaker 5 (01:13:20):
Him the bust today. I'm saying he's going to be
a a bus. Last year was a bus. I don't
think there's any argument against that. But I think he
is trending to that direction, not to the All Pro
A Pro Bowl. Sorry, and Fred said Pro Bowl, And
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Say to the emailer's point, We've seen some video of
him this offseason. He looked the same size to me,
so you know, I don't know what we were expecting,
but I do think that he'll be like he's a
target because he was overdrafted. But I think it is
worth pointing out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, he'll always be a target, but he's always going
to be considered to be fine because he's always going
to be playing until he's no longer a Patriot, just
like Isaiah Winn did, who was never really good but
was always considered to be fine.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
But that's not until until they decided I don't want
to playing anymore. When he got hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
That's not true either. I think when problem was as
much as I want to an attitude as his ability,
I think when he he had good games, you know,
I think he's a.

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
Talent, had better games than Cole Strange did.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah, I think he's a talented player, and I think
you know, it goes beyond.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
But like to your point, like, this is one of
those things that we'll argue about, probably for three years,
because that's that's what you and I do, and we
enjoy it. You're going to say he's going to be
a fine player, and I'm going to say he's fine,
and we're going to mean totally different things. Right, Like,
to me, fine for for a first round pick is
an indictment.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
No, I listen, and I think he'll be fine.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
I'm not because he's a guard and it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that they should
have picked him where they picked him.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
But that's all the emailers. But that doesn't mean fighting
against that's all the emailer is fighting against people saying
that it wasn't where he should have been picked and
you agree.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I agree with that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
So he's he's arguing with you and me because we
agree on that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Yes, it is part of it all back around that was perfect.

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
Yeah, Like this is not about like the guy can't
tie his shoes and get on the field, Like I
think that it's just readily apparent when a skilled position
guy can't like Nikhil Harry, Like it never looked Mike,
the first day of training camp was the year before
you got here, right, Yeah, like the like you could
see it in the spring, like this guy I can't play.

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It will never look like that for an offensive lineman
as long as he's playing. No one will ever say
that because they don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
And that's and that's the same thing like watching the
three guys that they just drafted, I'm like, what's wrong
with these guys? These guys look fine, Like I don't
you know, Like I could watch Cole Strange's film and
be like, I don't know. They all seem like they
got a nasty attitude. They love to throw guys down
to the ground.

Speaker 5 (01:15:45):
Because an average guys like you and me will watch
City Sow and Michael Owenu and not see the differences.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
I'm gonna have to bring Greg Bridard on the show.
That's all correct.

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
Bring Greg and they can have their little talk and
they and they can break it all down and they'll
tell you why you're wrong. They're little talk, little talks
of monstrous. They'll have their talk and they'll tell you
why you're wrong and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Hand when you what was it?

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
Hand placed violence, footweark quick strike, drop and drive, pin
and pull, Like I mean, I can. I can make
up terms too, Like it doesn't mean that I know
how to use them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
You know one show, you know how we used to
do things to set up Eric, Like, you know, we
should do a show where we come on and we
come up with all these fake terms and see like
if if Evan like chalk like says you guys don't
know what you're talking about, or if he's like nodding
his head.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Like we do like cover twelve. Yeah, like I mean,
look like cover twelve to me, make up some coverage
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Just yeah, he was doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
There's only eleven guys in the field.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
You know, he was doing a hybrid Z zone, you know,
where he's asked to battle.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Look like it to me, for it, you know, look
like it to me.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
But like, you know what My point is, my my
snart narc aside. My point is average football people like
Bill Belichick will look at tow lineman and certainly be
able to tell you the difference average guys can't. But
you can watch two wide receivers average guys and say, yeah,
that guy's much quicker in and out of his breaks,
that guy is much better hands. That guy just looks
like he's like you could see it. Yeah, that's my

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point that I'm trying to make.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Let's see. Somebody earlier emailed about what an improvement having
Evan on the Draft show was I. He says, after
what felt like a lifetime of dealing with Eric Scalavino's
lack of caring at all about football and pompous arrogance,
you had an opportunity to replace him.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
Okay, is happening again all the like, Okay, I just
want to stay as.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I sit here, emails get deleted.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:17:49):
I love the fact that we had Evan on the
draft coverage this weekend for entirely different that I that
I won't share on publicly. But if we're going to
criticize the guy who left for his pompous arrogance and
we're not going to point out the fact that the
guy had that would replace him had a temper tantrum,

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because he's insisting that he knows more about football than
Bill Belichick and wants Bill Belichick gone. That's to me
a little bit of a disconnect. And I said all
this with Evan by the wag, like you want Bill,
like you said it to him right on the show,
but you want Bill out. You think you know more
than Bill, and he didn't die it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
I mean the modern game.

Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
Like somehow he's convincing himself. The picks that he agrees
with are Mac gropicks.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
Did you notice how we tried to do that too,
Like the Gonzales pick. It's clearly no, no, no, no, you trade
down from fourteen to seventeen to get picked one twenty.
That's like a picture of Belichick in the draft dictionary, right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
It's like us doing the profiles they rotate. You know,
Mac gets a pick, I get a pick, Steve Belichick
gets a pick, and except for.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
Billy O gets not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
And again you're just I go back to what you
Rod Mayo said after you know, after the pick, we're
glad that coach made the pick because I know the
room was thinking he's going to trade down again. Yea,
you know, give us or something give us our guy. Yeah,
Bill and Vista, California. The drafts over and we can
now impatiently wish for the preseason to be here before

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we start impatiently wishing for the regular season to get here.
I just saw I just found out. Remember when we
impatiently waited for the AFC Championship game.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
No, I hated that that was the worst part of
the effort.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
Those are those of the I do I do When
when Andy and I would argue with Fred about the
things that were worry someone on the roster, and Fred
would get mad, saying like, what are you talking about? No, no, no, no,
you gotta stand in We're talking about things that could
potentially prevent them from hosting the ABC Championship right, And
Fred would be oh, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
I just saw and found out that Mapu is a
nephew of Junior. Say, I'll call it wishful thinking, but
now I have a higher hope for the kid. It
had me thinking, what are some NFL royalty talent you
wish worked out or some you see as being future
stars like Marvin Harrison Jr.

Speaker 5 (01:20:09):
Oh god, uh, I find that an odd like you
gonna hear on Teddy Bruski's kids Paul, and you find
out that kid Map who is related to makes you
feel better about the pick.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
He only made. Well, you know, pedigree, it can't help
you met him once. No, I know, but it's the blood,
it's the gene. It's that's what he's talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
Was he really like an uncle? I know, I know,
love that like his father's brother.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Like it's one of those lifelong friends kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Right, this is your uncle, Junior.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
I got a few of those, you know, like friends
of ours. It's called Mike. I'm like, you're not really
your uncle.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Yeah, these emails, why they I don't know what. Something's
going on. Somebody has they don't like you. Somebody has
access to this thing or something. I don't I don't
know what the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
I'm deleted on my end.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
No, but this is supposed to be my box, so
I don't know how anyone could even get in here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Somebody's messing with Fred's box.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
Fred's box alone, let's see Matt's like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Jake and Bendingo Australia. After letting the draft sit for
a couple of days, I finally come around to how
we drafted. Now to the offense. We have Billy Oh
in the building. We acquired minimal offensive pieces through the draft.
We are putting a massive amount of faith in Billy
Oh and him turning the around with what we have
come the end of the next season, we make the playoffs. Excellent,

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we missed the playoffs. Who is getting thrown under the bus? Then?
MATC for not producing, Billy Oh for not getting the
team where we needed, or do I say it? Dare
say it Bill Belichick for not setting the team up
to win.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
So you think that they have to make the playoffs
or someone's gotta next year? Yeah, someone's got to go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yeah, that's what he's who gets the blame.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
I mean, it depends on what it looks like.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
I think if you only one out of those three
that even has a chance to not be around, is
Mac really? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Okay, well that's something to think about with the fifth
year option. I mean, I'd love to.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
Be in a fourth year though, Like, you just have
to make the decision, right, That's what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Like is that?

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
I mean, I think Mac will be back next year too,
But I mean Billy Oh's not going anywhere, and Belichick's
not going anywhere unless something happens. They're not getting rid
of those two guys unless something happens, like yeah, with
them individually, like they did something. It's I mean, it's
that's just how I feel. I don't get anybody's going away.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
It's just getting interesting. I mean, it's getting the teams
are getting good jets. I mean, it's it's going to
be quite the year.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Let's see. Paully p says I said nothing. So with
plenty of time to go back over the draft and
think about the Patriots picks, I'm sold on every pick
but two. No matter how hard I try, I just
cannot like the key on White pick. Every play I
watch just seems to take away way too long to
get to the ball carrier. I don't see him being

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very effective getting his hands on athletic quarterbacks in today's NFL.
He looks like he's running in sand way too often.
Even though I watched all his snaps against Broderick Jones
and White won a lot of the pass rush reps,
he was nowhere close to getting to the quarterback in time,
and Jones had no problem moving White in the run game.
I think White has bust written all over him. The

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second pick is kind of a combination of two picks
close together. Hearing today that they want to try Sao
at tackle, I can't help but think the right move
in the fourth round would have been to take Dewan
Jones instead of Jake Andrews, and then either take Andrews
at one seventeen instead of Soo. Jones has physical gifts

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that Sao just doesn't have and will be a starting
right tackle at some point this season in Cleveland, like
Evans said, if you want a receiver, just draft a receiver.
If you want to right tackle, draft a six 't eight,
three hundred and fifty nine pounds freak, not a guard
who it was a long shot to even play the position.
All in all, I love the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
However, I just don't know, I mean, took it how
far to want Jones dropped in so many It's just
it's so on display what group think happens during the
draft and all of our like mock drafts and our
big boards and it like it. It's always kind of
the same guys, you know, and a lot of the
guys they drafted were nowhere on my radars certainly, And
you know, it's just it's hard. It's hard to know

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what the heck they're gonna do.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
But did someone come out and say that they were
intended on playing soo at tackle?

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
No, I think that was a breer thing, a breer
in his notes, just saying that he had played there. Well,
he played that, but like that maybe that he could that.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
Was just a I get the sense that they might
work them out at tackle. What is it this summer.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
Like he played it. He's Eastern Michigan, right, Yeah, he
played at Eastern Michigan. Hasn't played tackle.

Speaker 4 (01:24:54):
In four years I think nineteen.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
I thought it was eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yeah. Yeah, they'll put him there in shorts and see
what he looks like if he looks the part Evan's back.
How was Juju good?

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
Yeah? I was a little faster than Myers.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
He said he's the slowest receiver on the team, not
even kidding. He was kidding, obviously, but he might be Anyways,
he was great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
I think he genuinely seemed excited to be here, was
maybe even a little bit surprised at how much he
likes it here already. I think you know the thing
that he said that stood out to him or that
has really made it great here is just the people
on the offense, the receivers in that receiver room. I
think he's had a good time with a lot of
those guys, and they've had a good time together off

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the field. At Celtics game last night, bowling a couple
of weeks ago. The one thing that he did mention
was that, you know, in the free agency process, that
that Belichick was a big draw for him to come
play here, and that the Patriots had met with him
a little bit in the pre draft process come out
of USC and it all kind of came full circle

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this offseason when they showed interest. But I think the
one thing that maybe surprised me a little bit is
I thought we were maybe we're going to get this
Judon type personality, like big, loud, you know, a lot
of energy, and he he had had swagged some personality
to him, but he wasn't very loud or demonstrative like

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like Judon is. You know, Judon's a is he.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Silly at all? That stuff is just that J's silly.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
A little bit. You know, he was joking around with us.
You know, someone asked him, what would you say are
your best attributes at as a receiver? And he was like,
slow can't block, you know, like he was messing with
the reporters. So there was a little bit of that
going on, I think. And he did mention Joe Toney
and being somebody that he really enjoyed playing with in

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Kansas City and maybe had a few conversations with with
Tuney about coming here to New England before he he
signed here. But like I said, he genuinely seems almost
taken aback about how much fun he's having here. I
think all the noise outside the building is always that
it's so serious and they don't have any a good time,
they don't have any fun, and I think he's a

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little bit surprised at how much fun he's having. And
I think, you know, the one thing he did say
about the playbook was that the he thinks that they
deserve a college degree for the amount of studying that
they have to do to learn this playbook. And at
first when I said that, I was like, okay, But
then what I thought about it some more. I didn't
hear a lot of that last year about the playbook

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and how come you know, oh it was it's so complex,
and you know, he said he's making flash cards.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
But it is interesting that he's saying that coming from
Kansas City, which I would think would have a really
thick playbook.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
Yeah, so he said that, you know, he's going to
go home after this and actually study more and put
a couple more hours in, And he said he's making
flash cards and he's doing all this this homework to
learn the offense. So he definitely talked about the complexity
and the just the volume of the playbook, which, like
Mike just said, I didn't hear any of that last year.

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So I think this is a whole different ballgame as
we would expect with Bill O'Brien. It's a we got
a PhD playbook. Again, this is not this is not
just playing fast.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Right, Paul? Did you make it of monsters and men? Reference?

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
I did?

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Oh? What was it? I did? David wants to compliment
you on it?

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
Oh, I forget now we're talking about monsters.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
What's this of monsters and men? What is that?

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
Like a obscure group?

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Oh, it's not a kid's movie. I know of and men?

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
But it's a song that was like a top It
was like a Top forty song. I can't think of
it now, all.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Right, But you're just throwing out references.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
What is it of monsters?

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Of monsters and men? Let's get back to the a
stick of hotline eight five five pass five.

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
The name of the song Little Talk was one Little
Little Talks is the top forty.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
And Fresno. What's up? Speed?

Speaker 21 (01:29:08):
Hey, how's it going?

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Uh?

Speaker 21 (01:29:11):
That that uh cole Strange talk before was pretty interesting
even it was before while you were away. But yeah,
like that, like I wonder how Menkins would have looked
in the Patrios offense last year. It's kind of like
a difficult comparison because what Megan's was was his first
year five am I right? Yeah, so like that, obviously

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he's on a better team all around.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
So but I mean it's not even a comparison.

Speaker 21 (01:29:37):
It's kind of like hiding.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:29:39):
No, they're both first round picks at that position.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
No, but I'm not talking about we're talking about two
entirely different things. I'm saying that you can play as
a rookie offensive lineman and you're you're not really going
to get a lot of criticism unless Bill does what
he did with Cole Strange and takes him out of
the lineup. Ye, which tells everybody sure, you know he's

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he's up and down. Yeah, he was telling everybody if
he just played every snap of every game, everybody said,
a rock solid rookie year for Cole Strange could have
played the same exact caliber. But no one's gonna look
at it the same way as we looked at as.
My comparison continues to be Nikhil Harry, who from the
moment he stepped on the field as a patriot, did

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not look good. He didn't look smooth. You could see it,
like even idiots like me, I was actually crediting you
for your pin and poll pop, you know, your little
violence with the first step, Like I said, leave that
what that's this is how we got I go leave
that to the little talks or Greg and Effan. And
that's when I said, little talks of monsters and men,
that's what That's how I came That's how that came up.

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What I'm saying, most most people just watch yeah, and
like I will absolutely put myself in this category. I'm
not watching the offensive lineman breaking it down. Bill can
watch Michael Owenu and Cole Strange and tell you every
reason why MICHAELWNU was more effective at guard last year
than Cole Strange was. I can't other than when they

(01:31:08):
just get beat on a blitz, you know, like but
on I can watch Nikhil Harry and tell you why
he wasn't as good as Jacobi Myers when they were
both rookies.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
Right, yeah, he Cole Strange had a good end of
the year. I thought he finished well and that maybe
is optimistic in terms of what he'll come in in
year or show at a decent end of the season,
really good game against Pittsburgh early on.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
He'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
But there was some I think the conversation around him
and this the outward Oh you know they hit on
Cole Strange. I would calm down with that. Oh, you
can't say that his rookie year was up and down.
You cannot say that. But my I got into an
eye with Paul because I said, you can't. Also, you
can't say it's a bus he's.

Speaker 5 (01:31:51):
And I don't say that he's a bust now I
think I don't. I said last year was bust like,
but I can't say that after one year.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
He certainly said all the right things that the at
the draft party the other night, I think he said
that he is looking to gain about twenty pounds of
muscle in the off season, because that was the biggest thing.
Was just NFL power right, big guys that Quentin Williams
types that were just getting right into him and pushing.

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
Him over the forest buckner.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
Yeah, those are those guys. Get him a handful, that's what. Yeah. Yeah,
the run game. I think the bigger concern was balanced
and ending up on the ground a little bit too
often because he's being over aggressive and trying to get
out of his stance and firing out and then he's
getting head over heels. But yeah, the power rushers, the
interior guys pushing him the pocket was a big problem.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
I said, thanks, I saw him. We saw him at
that party, and I said, I don't really, I don't
see twenty pounds on there yet. Maybe that's a work
in pro totally.

Speaker 4 (01:32:47):
May, totally May to May.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
You can learn nutrition at the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Get those milkshakes, skinless Chicken. Anthony writes in I assume
that in the second tenure of Josh McDaniels as OC,
they'll probably let Josh hand most of the offensive game
plan and probably just gave the thumbs up most of
the time and trusted him. Do you feel he will
have the same trust now. I'm quite sure he has
had his hands all over last year's disaster. So now

(01:33:12):
will he focus more on defense, excuse me and the
overall team little Jersey Mike's coming.

Speaker 5 (01:33:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
I just the thing that I that interests me is
I think that the changes to the offense last year
obviously were Bill's decision, and I think the philosophical changes
not so much like what did you install it, but
like the overall like down the field, trying to make
big plays. Like philosophically, I felt like there was an
evolution last year as much as there was they put

(01:33:40):
Maddy p in charge. So I just wonder how much
of that Bill influence of you know, is it him
saying to compete right now in this league, we have
to push the ball down the field consistently. That's the
only like because to me, every time we went out
there in training camp, those were the only plays that
they that they made, and that was never really the
case in previous training camp. So I don't know. I
assume to Evan's point about the play thing, that Bill
O'Brien just came in and took the last year's playbook

(01:34:03):
and dropped it in the trash and he's like, this
is mine now. But I still would think that Bill
has some kind of influence on what direction he wants
the offense to go with Mac.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
And certainly like Bill needs to talk to, you know,
all the offensive coaches that were here last year to
find out, Okay, who's good at what?

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
Who do I have here? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
You know, like who are the players that I have
to work with? And like you can't throw out everything
from last year.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
You know, so throw it all out, every last piece
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
But I mean, like, you know, there's basic players that
are going to be in anything.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Light it up like a match and say a prayer.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
But you know, even go back to like the selection
of Thornton, you know that's not really usually one of
their kind of guys. Like I just I don't connect
all of that. Just to Matt Patricia, I think that
that was, you know, part of a bigger sea change
that's going on offensively, or at least that they're trying
to employ that they think they need to do to
you know, get from whatever that Josh's version of the
offense was to you know, something different, whether that's mac

(01:34:59):
whether it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:00):
There's a little bit of Macro in there too, I
think because every time we talked to Macro about evolution
in the sport, I think he talks a lot about
speed and athleticism and that being where the league is going.
And I think a lot of their draft picks all
over the field, not just offense but defense too, have
pointed to I mean, Gonzalez runs a four to three
eight MAPU is this new age hybrid linebacker safety type

(01:35:22):
of player. So I think a lot of their moves
have been to get faster everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Audrey says, great draft shows again, I will always listen
to you live. My top choice, and Mike was even
funny this year, much less stress.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Audrey's always out my butt.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Yeah, I must say, you may finally have some competition.
The Rich Keith Live Draft party was excellent, featuring opals,
Andy and Fitzie. They were jacked up on energy draints,
especially Andy. They didn't tip picks and reacted to each
one live. It was hilarious, definitely worth listening to the
day after on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
This is what you guys always do? You change arm
I wonder if he asked him about tides that was
my fits. He's like, Oh, I'm on the Draft show
with any and I'm like, if you can slip in
something about rivers.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Head, Yeah, I mean when FITZI, you know, he's not
one to have short sentences. Conciseness is not part.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Of his uh with a couple and then going.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
On energy drinks, I mean, forget it. I mean, I
don't know how Rich Keith would get a word in
edge wise.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Is that a big Andy thing? Energy drink? Andy?

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (01:36:24):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
He would come in familiar.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
Fred started it. He brought in five hour energies for
all of us for.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
The Draft shows. Oh yeah, but Andy would come in
and he'd be like bouncing off the wall. Then last
hour he's just like he's like sleeping, you know, like
a baby in a crib. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
I can't imagine he would be I can't imagine low
energy Andy like on a on a show.

Speaker 5 (01:36:44):
Oh yeah, he would crash right over in that corner
where you're sitting right now. He just he would just
end it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Just eat his food, pushes Mike away, eat his food
and shut her down.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Let's see Johnny. Johnny writes in Daddy, I want to
thank you Fred for almost making me choke on my lunch,
laughing at my box comment, and then Deuce and Paul
with the future clip for Matt to edit. Evan is arrogant,
he says, he's like Miranda Cosgrove in School of Rock.
But that's why he's going to be the next chefter.
Put the work in and it shows.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
Miranda Cosgrove in school.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
I know, I appreciate the backhanded compliments, but yes, she.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
Eventually the principal. No, no, she's one of the students.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
That's true. You guys eventually get me to come around
on things.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
She eventually comes around. Yeah. Someone, So there's another shot.
I took it you. I like to be up front.

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
With I appreciate that. At least it's not backhanded compliments.

Speaker 5 (01:37:39):
As as I said before, most of the stuff I
was saying, I've already said to you, But this one
was new. Someone called it down. Someone called it and
said what a great addition that Evan was to the
draft shows, to which we all agreed. I agreed for
a reason I couldn't share on air, because it allowed
me to do far less. That's why that's why I agree.

(01:38:02):
But in all seriousness, he said, after years of listening
to arrogant. Eric not have any time for it. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa.
If we're going to criticize the guy who left for
being arrogant and not recognize the guy who replaced him
as thinking he knows more than Belichick and being all
pissy when he didn't pick the guys that he wanted

(01:38:23):
to pick. And I said at the time, I said,
and I mean Evan will agree because I said to
him on the show, you think you know more than
Bill when you want Bill out? And you didn't disagree.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
I don't think I know more than Bill, and I
want to make that very clear. He clearly, he clearly
knows more than me. I think I know enough to
have an opinion that's different from Bill, like maybe that
that's sort of where I come from. More of that.
I mean, he knows so much more than football that

(01:38:54):
I will ever know in my life. But I know
enough about football to be like, I like this player
more than that player.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
I always get mad.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
One That's the Eric's thing is he didn't care who
they picked, just pick.

Speaker 22 (01:39:05):
Want that trade down? Trade down in the first he
would have been oh again. But that's one thing we
always pushed back at wh people. You guys, did you
know what? No, of course not. But that doesn't mean
we can't have a show. I can't talk about the
things that we think.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
I mean, I know they lost, but they play great.

Speaker 5 (01:39:23):
That's what a lot of people. You know, I didn't
say a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Jason still hasn't got his T shirt. Did you get
that email?

Speaker 5 (01:39:29):
It's in the mail, Nathan, it's in the mail.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Okay, anything?

Speaker 5 (01:39:33):
I mean, you know, so I was asked to sign
a shirt for somebody today.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
That was that was That was, that was my doing.

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
Yeah, Casey came up for didn't you T? Shirt?

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
And I was like, you want me to sign that
for him? Why don't you get Paul's to sign it?

Speaker 5 (01:39:46):
Because the star sign.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Let's see James in the Cube. Been a while since
I've emailed, but I still listen to every show. Thanks. Yeah,
James in the Cube. Uh you're discussion about straight She's
got me wondering if maybe they could try him at tackle.
He's got the athleticism in enough length. Always thought he
looked a bit more like a tackle than a guard.
Any chance. I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
I don't know, I was. I mean, you know, when
I'm talking about what he looks like. Now I was
looking at him, like, what does he look like? I
don't know what he looks like? Maybe a center, but
like he looks small for a guard. He doesn't really
look like a tight end to me. I don't know,
Like if I just had to look at his body
type and what position does that guy play in the NFL,
I'm not sure what I would what I would come up?

Speaker 5 (01:40:26):
What did they take two two fourth round guards? Yeah,
in a sixth round guard. One of them is the
sports the center. The first one is so like, but
why is everybody convinced that three day three picks signal
is position changed for Cole Strange?

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
Oh, we're doing it all over the map, Mike on
who back to tackle? Cole Strange to tackle?

Speaker 5 (01:40:46):
But Michael wen you thing like not necessarily to move
to tackle, but he's in the last year of his deal.
I get that, Like, is that that probably? That probably
is connected?

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
Yes, And they look just like, why do we.

Speaker 5 (01:40:57):
Want to trade? Why do we want to change Cole
Stranger's position? And we I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
He said going into the draft, they'll probably take a
guard or two late in the draft. They did.

Speaker 4 (01:41:07):
It wasn't late enough.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
It wasn't late enough.

Speaker 4 (01:41:09):
Yeah, I'm not saying that. I think that I'm saying that.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
And I think the fact that it was a primary center.
I mean, Jake Andrews did play some guard too, but
he primary center I think last two seasons, so you
know that one was just a little bit of a
of a scratcher too.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Yeah, but a primary center could also play guard.

Speaker 5 (01:41:24):
More than likely.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
And I don't know if they need it that early
in Day three. But I mean, like we've talked about
what their backup situation was on the interior. I mean,
Rusie was undrafted. Guy Ferrence, I mean, you know, he's
been doing it for a while, but small and every
time he gets put in there, you're like, just hold on,
you know. I think last year we all would have
liked to just, hey, would it be great if, you know,
a chasing Hines last year had been that backup rotational guard,

(01:41:47):
you know, that kind of thing, because it just it
felt like their finn all over the offensive line last year.
I still think they did too much and too early,
but I do think that it was some additions that
need to.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
Be Rick and Dallas first fantastic draft coverage. I spent
all week in listening, so much better than the talking
heads on ESPN. Thank you. Second, I do not understand
all these callers complaining about the draft. It seems fantastic
to me they got at least three day one starters
because Zalas Ryland and Barringer White did.

Speaker 5 (01:42:15):
You just na see?

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
That's why I don't judge the emails before they get
to it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:21):
That was so well doped.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
White who will contribute immediately one to two future IOL
starters line sorry, and a couple of wide receivers who
could end up being stars.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
Why is everyone complaining?

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Name one other team other than the Philadelphia Bulldogs who
had a draft with as many current and future contributors.

Speaker 4 (01:42:43):
So that's but that's exactly what I was saying at
the top of the show. I agree that they got
a lot of contributors from this draft. It's other than
Christian Gonzalez.

Speaker 5 (01:42:53):
But you have to get contributors when you're draft your kicking.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
Right, Like I agree though with that sentiment that they
have guys that will be on the roster that will
contribute in some capacity. They but how many needle movers
did they get?

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Right? But they're the bigger point which we said explicitly
on this show, is that they need blue chip needle
mover guys and these like you know, like that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
You just put in a blue chip there? How many
of those?

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
That's what? Well, I know, but that's what I mean.
But you're the potential, like you know, to be there
and I didn't know that. Look any third round pick
if you're trying to sell them as a blue chip
right now in any one of the thirty two markets,
that people are laughing at you. But and that's why
I'm just lukewarm. We'll see what happens with these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
According to the NFL dot Com, all the AFC East
teams are in the top ten rank for power ranking
except the Patriots. Okay, Bill's Jets in Miami are all
in the top ten.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
I'm gonna call them and give them a pas.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
Am I am I the only one that maybe this
is just a homer in me that is not entirely
sold that this Aaron Rodgerson is going to be a
slam dunk for the Jets. Am I am I on
an island I slammed.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
I do remember having an argument with you about them
last year, saying that Aaron Rodgers was checked out, and
you pushed back at me for that, saying they were
going to be a dangerous team in the playoffs. But
now he's a Jet at home.

Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
Maybe it is. I don't but he's a year older,
and I just I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
I don't think it's a guarantee it works.

Speaker 4 (01:44:20):
Yeah, And I don't think it was a guarantee at
the time that they were going to be a dangerous
team in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
Like I said, but if if it does work, then
I think the Jets are a contender. Yeah, if if
it works, if he's if he has any Tom Brady
and him at all. Now, I saw that the Jets
were putting out some some video of him on field
already working was part of the program. Uh, they did well,
they have a new coordinator. Isn't that the rule?

Speaker 2 (01:44:46):
Because of that?

Speaker 5 (01:44:47):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:44:48):
So we.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
Didn't Bill say that last week that we're going to
be out there.

Speaker 8 (01:44:53):
But.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
Yeah, I think Billy will be on the field this week.
No helmets, Yeah, no, they had no helmets on. I
think Billy oh said when we talked to him last week,
we'll be out on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
We were walking by him today.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Yeah, Yeah, I just I don't know. I looked at
that clip that they actually put and it was literally
one five second clip of him throwing like a slant.

Speaker 5 (01:45:14):
That was that was?

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
That was? Didn't they put his head on somebody else?

Speaker 16 (01:45:20):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
No, no, no, this was real?

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
This was real.

Speaker 5 (01:45:22):
It was There was no nobody there. He like faked
a hand off and threw a pass. You didn't even
see where it was. Was that one put a head
on somebody? That was Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
It was Aaron Rodgers head, but it was on some No, No,
this was real Rogers. But I thought someone I'm like, okay,
I'm not talking about that work. I'm saying, does he
have the Tom Brady in and where he's going to
commit himself and say I am going to f you
to Green Bay to I'm going to show you that

(01:45:54):
I still have something left. Now, I don't know if
he has that. I don't know if he.

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
Has that in him. Like Tom, you kind of got
a sense with that maniacal nature of his Tom was
he was he was going to recommit. Yeah, I don't
know if he has that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
And that might be the gist of you know, not
everything clearly, but why Tom Brady got six.

Speaker 5 (01:46:14):
Super Bowls, you know, and he's he was one, and
and most people who watch those two guys play say
that Rogers has more skill. Yeah, and I don't think
there's a huge argument to be made against that. But
there's a reason why one guy has five more titles,
six more titles, sorry upstairs, six more titles.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
I do think that Rogers is going to be energizing.
I think he's gonna, you know, want to show his
gratitude to the Jets and the fans, and you know
he's gonna want to, I mean, you know, elevate that team.
And you know it's let's face it, if they make
the playoffs, it's because of Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
Well you guys, he knows you guys who know this
better than me. But I mean, what's the what's the
difference like the media in Green Bay and how they
treat you in Green Bay versus in New York and
how they.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
Chase you in New York. Yeah, you know, And what's
which is another reason why I'm not sure to work.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Yeah, the first slip up, they'll be all over them
and they'll.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
Cover with this little scotch and relax. They'll be like, hey,
don't tell me when to relaxe. I'll relax when you
get them in the playoffs. Does that sound you know?
That's the kind of adversary of relationship there can be.
Remember your boy the Yurine stream, Yeah, Meta, Meta the business.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
He's out of the business.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
He broke up journalistic rules to be out of the business.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Yeah, the Jets broke them.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
I don't know. I know it's I know it could
easily go the other way and they could be in
the super Bowl next year. Nobody would be that shocked.
But I just it's not. I feel like it's being
like there are a top ten team in power rankings
and all this stuff, and it's it's being talked about
like it's like guaranteed that that's gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
About like Brice Hall being back, you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
Know, like, yeah, that doesn't move the needle for me.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
Well who's who's Who's?

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
But I agree, I agree with what you're saying. I'm
just saying, I don't who would.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
You pick them in Miami? Just take Patriots out of
the take back Patriots and Bills out of the situation.
Who do you think is the better team between the
Jets of Aaron Rodgers and Jets Jets?

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
I think Miami. What I think Miami based on what
their talent and the Jets. Now, now, if you're asking
me who I'm going to invest in, I think there's
a better chance that Aaron Rodgers plays seventeen games than Tools.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
Yeah that's a big one, right.

Speaker 5 (01:48:15):
But if I think at full strength, I think Miami's better. Yeah,
it's okay, you don't have to agree. He's like, he's
disgusted that you do that. He like turned the other way,
like this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
I mean, I mean it's pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Good when you go when you go head to head
with the two rosters, though, I mean they both you
know there's some talent on those teams.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
Andy and Cleveland spent sixteen hours in the car this weekend.
Very happy to have all the Draft show content to
pass some of the time. Sorry, Alex and Tomorrow weren't
on more. I think more of their energy would have
been a good addition.

Speaker 5 (01:48:46):
I have energy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
I guess we weren't energized enough. Huh. I have no
problem with tipping picks. Totally agree. The NFL presentation drags
out the announcement, but then why awkwardly break in with
audio of Goodell making the official announcement? I'm glad we
picked first and second rounders in the first and second round.
The rest is beyond my expertise to grade, but glad
there are some receivers to watch in training camp and

(01:49:10):
that by the end of the draft. I feel like
the show PU Pages and Filtered isn't too negative on
the picks overall.

Speaker 5 (01:49:17):
So I feel I think we were pretty positive on
the picks. Yeah, I mean, I mean there were picks
that we didn't like, but I think we were pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Oh, thank god we took the first receivers or Eric
would I mean Evan would have called.

Speaker 5 (01:49:29):
But the first two picks, I mean, that's true. I
think the way the guy described that, I would largely
consider myself that kind of a you know, like you
get beyond the fourth and fifth rounds, I mean, you're
beyond my area of expertise. Like, that's not what I'm
judging a draft on.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
My opinion on the draft definitely changing the sixth round.

Speaker 5 (01:49:46):
Yeah, no, not gonna lie, And that's fine. It didn't
for me. Like, I like the first two picks, and
if you get anything else after that, that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
Well, I got a question for you. We had a
call about Malie Cunningham, which she talked about a little
bit curious what.

Speaker 4 (01:49:59):
The new Jeff Tom this undrafted he's literally we're getting
a way. He he's a really good runner. He is,
and and that's something that I think that uh, that
is exciting.

Speaker 5 (01:50:13):
But for what for preseason, for a preseason.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
And his role on the team to me is a
better scout team quarterback for guys like Lamar and and
the other mobile quarterbacks they might face because they beyond that.
I there's a lot of already that Jeff Thomas, you know,
Patriot fandom hype.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
About not as much.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
That more about him playing receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:50:44):
I was hoping Jeff Thomas Freddy was a big Jeff.

Speaker 4 (01:50:48):
Thomas more about him playing receiver. I would say than
in quarterback, you know, people thinking oh, well they could
use that his skill set, the running skill set as
as a receiver. I just would say that I am
hopeful that we don't need to use Marcus Jones and

(01:51:08):
Malik Cunningham's and those because you have actually good receivers
that play receiver for a living and you don't actually
have to find that. The reason why Marcus Jones played
offense last years because they had they needed it. They
needed him to play offense, They needed him to play
and make a big play impact. Hopefully Tykwon Thornton's doing

(01:51:28):
that for you this year. Hopefully Juju Smith Schuster is
doing that for you. Maybe one of these sixth round
guys hits and hopefully one of those guys contributes, Like
it shouldn't have to be that they found this UDFA
quarterback that's turning into a receiver that now is making
big plays for you on offense.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
I mean, like Julian Edelman.

Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
Well he was a seventh round pick.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Okay, that's close. Otherwise perfect, Vincent writes in Great Show
Having Patriots Withdrawal. You're kidding me about the Rogers head.

Speaker 5 (01:51:58):
Right, Yes, well, no, I don't know that's fred.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
I saw this one clip. He's got like, you know,
a giant head. He's got a red shirt, but it's
got a number eight on it.

Speaker 5 (01:52:10):
Yes, that's the number he wears.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
That's his number this year.

Speaker 5 (01:52:13):
He wears number Eight's.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Going to be eight now. Yeah, and he throws. But
like it looked like his head was put on a body.

Speaker 5 (01:52:20):
It didn't look real to somebody, Like I told you,
I don't think he's I don't think was twelve. Name is, yeah,
I say, and I think eight was his college number two.
But I'm not packing a call.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
Yeah, I think that's the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (01:52:34):
You know, the Malie Countingham thing, Like I don't care,
Like it's a third quarterback that you're taking a flyer on.
But I'm going to be a lot more excited selfishly
watching a preseason game if he's on the field, as
opposed to Brian Hoyer. You know, some fifteen year veteran
who's playing against guys that Sonny's car washed. Like I
want to watch a guy running around making plays. Maybe

(01:52:55):
he can't play, maybe he can't throw. I don't know,
but I would much rather watch that's skill set then
a veteran pocket passer.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Yeah, I feel the same way about like like the
Bam Childress of the world, Like I just booty, Like
I have no idea what he's gonna be, but at
least I know that there's a little bit of intrigue
there of Like, well listen.

Speaker 5 (01:53:11):
Absolutely, guy, Oh, I like I wanted I wanted Dorna
Thompson Robinson, you know, with a late pick. This guy's
not as good as that as a passer, But like
I think that's what they were thinking, Like, that's the
kind of guy, that's the profile they wanted, an athletic
mobile quarterback. This guy probably doesn't throw well enough, but
you know, maybe he develops.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
Who knows Caleb and Knoxville. Every off season there is
a barrage of fans he has that quotes who call
her write in having complete hissy fits and think they
know better than the coach who has been in the
league longer than my favorite. Then they're so called fans
have been alive. No, Bill isn't perfect, and he's made
plenty of mistakes over the years and especially lately.

Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
But you're not allowed to call him out of Can.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
We please stop with the constant crying? I and many
others listen in to enjoy some Patriot insight and take
a break from life. It's beyond annoying that almost every
episode of Patriots Unfiltered has twenty minutes or more of
fans melting down and wanting our head coach to be fired.
Get a grip, people, your personal identity doesn't lie in

(01:54:14):
a professional sports team. I'm looking at people like Eldred especially,
just stop being a fan. Oh stop watching it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:21):
A great, great fan just stop being a fan?

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
Why why should anyone stop being a fan?

Speaker 5 (01:54:26):
You know, so he's made plenty of mistakes over the years,
but evidently Eldred's not allowed to call in and say
when he thinks he's made a mistake, right right, You're
only allowed to wait till after it appears to be
a mistake. Then you could say that was a mistake.

Speaker 4 (01:54:39):
Apparently we're too arrogant when we do that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Let's go to Chris and Scott.

Speaker 5 (01:54:44):
I just hate the idea of like, do you think
you know as much of it? No, no, we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
Hey Chris, Hey, Chris, Hey.

Speaker 19 (01:54:51):
Fred, I owe you an apology for last week. I
cut you off and didn't mean to do that when
we were talking about the draft and some of the
decisions that Belichick's been making and what have you. But
I just wanted to let you know the reason why
that that happened is you don't know when you're going
to be let go from the call, and you have

(01:55:13):
these points that you want to get out, and uh,
you know, just kind of snowballs on you when you're
impassionates like that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Sure, we'll worry, we'll accept your pology, accept it.

Speaker 5 (01:55:22):
I don't even remember.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
But you know.

Speaker 19 (01:55:24):
That's well, I'm just saying, you know, I actually I
felt so badly about it, but I asked Paul to slide.

Speaker 11 (01:55:31):
Along the apology to you for me.

Speaker 19 (01:55:32):
But I just wanted to make sure it got to you.

Speaker 5 (01:55:34):
Okay, thanks.

Speaker 19 (01:55:36):
Well that being said, you know, it was funny when
they were talking about Paul signing a T shirt. I
thought about, you guys, what's next trading cards? Where like
Van's Rookie of the Year and Mike Reeve and you know,
these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
Are calendar check it'll be in there very good.

Speaker 19 (01:55:57):
So I had a question for Evan about, uh, what
I mean. It sounds like he's not a Blazer. You know,
he's not a well, you know, a four to three
guy or anything like that.

Speaker 20 (01:56:11):
Do you feel like he can bring anything to the table.

Speaker 4 (01:56:14):
Oh yeah, I don't think that's entirely accurate. So his
ankle injury is what really limited his explosiveness. But when
he was pre injury, he he was an explosive player.
That was pretty much the whole allure of the player
at the time. He's a power slot receiver. I think,
you know, a little bit bigger than than most slot

(01:56:36):
receivers five eleven, two hundred pounds in a lot of ways.
Honestly from a skillet skill set perspective, Uh, he reminds
me a lot of Juju, Like I think there's a
lot of that type of explosiveness after the catch, gonna
catch those you know, five yard five step slants and
dig routes and things over the middle of the field
and then hopefully run with him for a little while.

(01:56:58):
The one thing that I think changes between him and
Juju is Juju is much better in traffic and much
better at the catch point than than Boute I think,
honestly on film, that's probably the biggest concern other than
all the other things we talked about with the hands
and the ability to make contested catches. But he's a
little similar to that. I've compared him to Jarvis Landry
at times in the past two or even like a
Christian Kirk so someone like that. That he's an explosive

(01:57:22):
guy when he's right.

Speaker 5 (01:57:23):
Just to show you how much, just how much talent
he has. When he was coming out of high school,
he was the number two wide receiver recruit. He was
a five star, but he was the number two wide
receive recruit recruit in the country. Yeah, his first that's
like a position that has a lot Where where would.

Speaker 3 (01:57:38):
He have gone if he stayed on the trajectory of
his sophomore first.

Speaker 5 (01:57:42):
Second round, they had him a lot like again, want
a lot of research.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
On a lot of I love LSU.

Speaker 5 (01:57:48):
You know that there's a lot of people that had
him in the second round with a possibility of being
in the first. Evan's not wrong, But I do want
to read the rest of that email that you got deleted.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
Because I apologize.

Speaker 5 (01:57:59):
Yeah, well, Mark and fall River, He says, this is
the rest of the email that got cut off. After
what felt like a lifetime of dealing with risk Alavino's
lack of caring at all about football and pompous arrogance,
you had an opportunity to replace him after this draft season.
With Evan, I can say, beyond the shadow of a doubt,
one out of two ain't bad.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
All right, all right, that's gonna be it for this
edition of Patriots On Philip. Thanks for joining us. The
gang will be back on Thursday. I won't be on
the show Thursday. I'm gonna be busy, but you.

Speaker 5 (01:58:30):
Guys will be I'll be here thirsty.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Yeah, all right, we'll talk to you then.

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