Patriots Unfiltered 5/23: Biggest Roster Battles, OTA Preview, Around the NFL

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
The World's a biget.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
PODCAS Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
What's the best? Is that the best concert you ever saw?
I saw B fifty twos and a little club before
they were Big Rocks. Was awesome. And I was sitting
on the floor just in front of them, just and
this woman just literally sat on my head. She thought
I was sorry the concert, Yeah she was, so I
don't know. I don't know what she was on. And

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I'm taking her right turn onto another one way street
and I hit a curve and blew out my tire,
dented my door. The trim comes off.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
And they're gonna come out and be like, yeah, the
connecticu zoint's broken. It's gonna be four thousand dollars. I
don't even know what that is, but here's my four
thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Back in the day, your horse gets sick, you shoot
it and get another horse. I feel for Joe Mozzarella,
but you know.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
That's that's I've been in the middle of my insensitivity training.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm not I'm not sure, Okay, Joezuza had to write
in with my take on Eric. I started listening to
the podcast when Eric was away in Africa. While he
was gone, Andy was always saying that he hoped Eric
would get eaten by a lion. I couldn't believe how
mean that was. But then Eric came back and I
understood right away why Andy wanted him dead.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
This is Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Dunky.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
All Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
at Jillette Stadium, and we're recovering from Taylor Swift. I mean,
like the chatter in the office yesterday was remarkable. I
mean just you know, women talking about the moment that
they just you know, you know, became a puddle during

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the concert.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
And you know, Saturday night literally Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, So we're we're getting through that. But we're back
to OTAs and the Patriots and getting ready for some football.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
NFL rules.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, well rule, we'll talk about that. Yeah. One I
need clarification on is the touchback rule, Like what's going
on now? You can fair catch a kickoff in bounds?

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah, I'm not sure Evans Mike is on.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
So if you're in the end zone, or you're inside
the twenty five and you choose to fair catch it
on a kickoff, you'll get the ball at the twenty five.
So you know, if you're at the ten yard line
as a kickoff or turner, and you know.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
How do we feel about that?

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Yeah, different college went to it, I think in twenty eighteen,
and you know, Evan said it off air. We were
talking about it upstairs and I couldn't agree more. It
hasn't really affected the way I watched the game in
any way, shape or form, Like you just.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Get used to it.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Oh wait, wait, he's fair catching it on the eight
yard line. Oh no, that's right, that's the new rule, right.
I think they're trying their best to eliminate those collisions.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Why don't they just eliminate the kickoff? That's what they
want to do.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
It does seem like they're head in that direction. I
just I mean, I'm just curious. How does the kickoff
or term make a decision like that? You know, whether
or not while the balls in the air, do you
How do you know? Is it just strictly the game situation, Like, look,
we just we need a return here and I have
to try to make a play otherwise you pretty much
just kind of take the fair catch, right, How do
you know, how can you tell when the ball's in
the air if we have a favorable.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
I just think if it's one of those, if it's
if it's a high kick in any way, it's like
a punt. Still all of Evans line from off their
go ahead Evan, you could no doubt that Mic is working.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
I'm not the first one to say any of these things. Yeah,
it's like a punt. I assume like, if you see
that the coverage is coming down and you're probably not
going to get much of anything, then you do you
fair catch it and get it at the twenty five
for the Patriots. I think it's it's really interesting about
just the whole you know, investing so much into special teams,

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especially this offseason they've gone all in on personnel changes
on special teams, and you wonder if some of these
coverage guys like how much more of their job is
getting taken away? And I think that's why there's a
lot of pushback within the league by special teams coaches
and special teams players, is because well, you're taking away

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a play that's an impact play for us in this face.
At what point are we just not going to have
special teams and we're just going to be kicking field
goals and extra points and that's it. And I think
that that's why a lot of them are against it
was because it takes another away, another part of the game.
That's they're part of the game.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Yeah, that's their jobs, right, and listen, I do think
you know, unfortunately, the Patriots found this out the hard
way last year. I mean, kickoff returns still played a
role in games. So I understand that they don't want
to entirely do away with the kickoff. But I mean,
I guess that they're somehow trying to portray it's about

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player safety while implementing other rule changes about flexing Thursday
night games and allowing teams to play multiple times on
short rout.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
That's a good point, I mean this whole third, Like
I get. Okay, so they're going to require twenty eight
days notice, which is reasonable, but still it's hard if
you've made playing reservations and booked a hotel, you know,
you have to undo you know whatever.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Fans, Yeah, fans, it's ridiculous, but they've never cared about Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Even with twenty eight days. But to me, the Thursday
night game says we don't respect what it takes to
play football. And in my opinion, you have to have
a week between games. You can have a short week
in to play tackle football. It's just it doesn't respect
the game. It doesn't respect what it takes to play

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the game, and it doesn't respect the players. And that's
the bottom line with Thursday night football. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I think that's all reasonable about, you know, if you
want to have to talk about should they even have
Thursday night football? But I mean, for me, for this rule,
I like it. I just I mean it's the end
of the season. It's when the games count, when you
really well.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
You can't complain about Thursday night doesn't get any good
good games and then oh they can't flex, but you
shouldn't have Thursday night game. Yeah, that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
The bigger point. I just thought everybody was so quick
to complain before the twenty eight day rule was kind
of it was clarified, and I think it was the
owner of the Raiders, Mark Davis, saying like, oh, you know,
people are gonna be coming in from La and San Diego,
and then all of a sudden they're gonna get like,
that's not how it's gonna work. You'll have time. And
I understand the point you made. Fred of people make plans, flights, hotels, those.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Like like that to me as a fan, and you know,
I'm far removed from those days, but I did that
before I started working here. I used to go to
a road game every year, and absolutely a Vegas game
would have been on my docket, Like if that's a
Sunday game, and I'm I mean, I have my flight,
but I'm not, you know, necessarily going for the whole week. Right,

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so even if it's a month before now, I have
to change my range.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Who I don't want to do that.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
But if that's my plan, Mike, then that's fine. If
I'm already there, but I'm talking about flying in our
Friday or a Saturday. Now we have to take extra
days off of work.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, I mean a lot of people plan these things out,
and I know reporters plan out their trips. When they
get that schedule, they all go and start booking flights
and things like that for the road games. And now
you do you have these it's.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
The twenty eight days thing doesn't do really any good
at all for fans. Now for the players, that gives
them a little time at least you know it's coming.
I understand. I think that was a concession for the players.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Do you think that there's any juice though for the
players of now that this game is going to be,
you know, supposedly more of a Marquee matchup. We're trying
to make these to be big games down the stretch, like, yeah,
I know, guys talk about, hey, we're playing on Monday
night football. It's a big deal. Short rest.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
You've been in the locker room mic, right, four or
five years now, when was the last time you heard
anything positive about a Thursday night game from a player?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
But it gets even more complicated because isn't there a
rule that after Thursday night game you have to have
that buy? So now if all of a sudden, no,
I don't think you have have many by I mean.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Well, yeah, you don't play Thursday Sunday.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Right, But now if you're you know, it can really
screw up a schedule. Now, all of a sudden, you
didn't have that Thursday game, Now you put the Thursday
game in. I guess you just you just moving.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
You're still Sundays.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah, it's the same.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, but I don't know, it's a short week that
you didn't think you were gonna have. I don't know.
I just don't like it.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
It doesn't like to me for the four was it
four or five weeks? Was it thirteen?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Like thirteen to seventeen?

Speaker 4 (08:29):
So five weeks of better matchups on Thursday night to
me is not worth all that. So that goes along
with it. But I'm sure they'll make it.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
But it just tells me that the people that are
thinking about Thursday and night don't understand what it takes
to play football, what it does to your body. It's
not good to have to play Sunday and then Thursday.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
And now we have all the data you're doing this, Yeah,
you might have two a year now, So I mean
it's headed. I mean, this is the debate you should
have been having originally when even to have Thursday games.
Now it's expanding and becoming more difficult. But I have
to say, if the end result is some better product,
then you know you're getting two fourth place divisional teams
in early December when there's a great game just sitting
there on Sunday that that you know, not enough people

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are going to get to see then. But I think Paul,
you made a great point of it's just nothing can
offset how hard it is to get ready for a
game that quick, no matter who you're playing or what
kind of what's at stake.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
And I know the ratings do great all always, but
I gotta admit, like I don't always watch Thursday night football. Well,
I does on unless it's unless it's a really really
good game.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
You're all twenty two of you though, Yeah, that does.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Help, But I don't always watch it because you know,
I don't either, And I think that's just us, because
I mean, during you watch so much football, and it's
like sometimes you just gotta get away from it at
night and not be watching football in the middle of
the week. But I don't always watch it unless it's
it's really a good game, or if it's a good
game late and I'll flip on the fourth quarter, you know,

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of the game. But I the twenty eight day, to me,
it seems a little bit weird too, because who's the
same that the team's going to be the same team
in a month, Like you know, we see so often
that teams that the bottom falls out from underneath or
somebody gets hurt, you know, a big player gets hurt.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Aaron Rodgers sprains his ankle, right, and.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
Now all of a sudden he needed today. Yeah, and
he's not playing. And but you flexed it, and you
made all these concessions to flex it and all this
type of stuff, and then now three weeks later it
turns out that that's not a good game.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
And so to that point too, Havan just to jump in, like,
Patriots Steelers are two teams that would kind of like
tread water enough that it's hard to like deflex that game.
You know that they're they're that kind of team.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you should shut your mic off, you hear. Anyway,
I agree with with with the sentiments. And and I
don't know why I tend to watch less Thursday night
than even Monday. I don't watch Monday night games all
the time either. And there's obvious exceptions when it's a

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matchup that specifically has something to do with the Patriots
that I'm going to watch it. You know, whether it's
an opponent they're going to play the following week, or
AFC East game, you know, or you know Kansas City,
you know, someone that directly involves the Patriots. I'm going
to watch it whether it's Thursday, Sunday, whatever. But the
Thursday Night games I found last year. I watched the

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very first one because I wanted to see the like
just the usability of Amazon and all that, and I
would say the rest of the games, like so whatever,
fifteen more weeks, sixteen more weeks, I probably watched it
combined ten plays.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
I just didn't really watch the games because what the
problem they're trying to fix. I don't think the matchups
were great, and I just felt like it was not
worth the hassle of doing it, you know, going on
the streaming play and.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Even when it's good teams they're banged up, they're not
I mean, they're just trying to survive the games.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Just just think about how many times, like a guy
gets banged up and you're like, well, you're gonna hold
HM out of the Thursday night game. And so it's
not it's it's bad matchups with backup players and a
lot of a lot of cases. I just don't think
it's worth the hassle. But I know it makes money
for them at all. These you know, these billions of
dollars that that Amazon is paying to put the games
on and they.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I just definitely the minority.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
I just think you need people making these decisions who
respect the game and maybe have played it at one time. Helps,
but you don't have to have that, but at least
understand what it takes to play football, you know, from
a player side, from the coaching side, from the trainer's side,
what it takes to get ready to play a football game.

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And I just think that's being lost by people that
are just counting every penny that comes in. You know,
new owners that you know are way over leveraged, you know,
to buy these teams for billions of dollars and are
looking you know, to make their money back as soon
as possible. It's just not right. It's such a and

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it makes sense that John Mara, who was with the
Giants you know for you know years, was furious about this,
you know, because he does get it. He's he's in
it because he loves football. He's not in it just
for the money.

Speaker 6 (13:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Well, I wonder how uh new Raiders partial owner Tom
Brady will feel, but Doug about players getting involved.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Oh forget about how how do we feel about it?
Is that is that happening or is that just still.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
Oh no, I think it was confirmed.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's confirmed the interest, but is it gonna happen?

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Yeah, they're bringing it to vote like it got past
the first got past this.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't I don't care for that.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't care for it.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I don't care for that.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I wonder how I mean, I wonder how Raiders fans
feel of, you know, the player involved in one of
the most controversial plays in their history.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
The player who's earned them all his life, owns them in.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Their facility, in their in their practice facility. Is a
picture of the tuck rule, And I'm like, is that
there to like motivate people.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Might get screwed.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
That's a big part of the Raiders mantra is that
they're always getting screwed. And I'll guarantee that's why.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
There's another example, like putting It's.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Like putting the stripsack against the Eagles in the Patriot
Hall of Fame, Right, what do we We're not going
to do that?

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, it's that I'd be interested to see. And we all,
I think agree that we don't think Brady's ever going
to do games for Fox.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
But I didn't think at the time. I thought, by
the way.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
I'm interested to see, like how can and I guess
they've made a concession that they will allow him to do,
Like I don't understand how that works, even even a
minority owner partial whatever it is, you know that a
limited part whatever he's going to officially be. He's a raider, right,
and I don't see how you can do that. I mean,
I understand this a laundry list of former players that

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do these games, but they're still former and being paid.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
And he used to be Fox would have the NFC game,
So all right, so he's doing just NFC matchups, you know,
that's but now it's you know, Fox can have as
many AFC games, and so every AFC game affects his team,
you know.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
So like I I, I don't think it's going to
be a big deal because I don't think he's ever
going I.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Don't either games Fox.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
But but so why does.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
He want this?

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Why does he want to be a minority owner? You're
not going to have any say he just wants.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
To be invested. I think he's still I mean, I
think he's still searching for the juice. After the game.
He wants to invest himself.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
But is that going to give it to him? I
don't think so.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
But what if he's I mean, I don't know, But
what if he ultimately wants to be the guy the owner?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, well, you got to have a lot of money
because you have to, right, but you have to control
fifty one percent.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Right, So you know that's a team that that could
happen to with the Raiders. Mark Davis doesn't have any kids.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
That's all. He's gonna sell a lot of electrolytes to
have that.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
No, he's already what if what if it works? What
if he has a good you know, he ends up
forming a good partnership with Mark Davis, and then Mark
Davis ends up saying, Okay, you know what I'm gonna
when I'm gone, you're gonna take this over. Isn't that
kind of what Jordan did? Michael Jordan, but the basketball
at the Hornets, that kind of how he got the team.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
I just kind of feel like they, I mean, you
know me, that's probably not right.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
I apologize ahead of time.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Robert Craft, if you're listening, you got to swoop in
and stop this and make him part of our team.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
But why wouldn't Robert Craft be listening. He listens every.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Day every day.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
I don't think you want them listening every day.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
But no, we've got to do something about this.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
I don't but I don't think cannot stand.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
This is not cannot stand.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
I don't think it's about like I don't think he
wants I think he wants the Vegas brand. Like I
I Vegas right now. Is they're talking they're going to
bring a baseball team there. The A's are going to Vegas.
There's gonna be an NBA team there eventually, And there's
really no there's no star in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Hot market.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
It's a hot market, and there's no there's no guy
in Vegas. I mean, I guess maybe like DeVante Adams,
but like, there's really no guy in Vegas. The hockey
team's fantastic, but they don't have a Connor McDavid or
like somebody like that who's one singular player. And I
think he sees a.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Business opportunity, so doesn't do it for you, but so like,
what's a good player, So just that was the most
random guy.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
So you think the business opportunities, he becomes the face
of Vegas sports.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
I think that he wants He already owns part part
of the Aces. Now he's going to own part of
the Raiders, and he's been in talks to bring an
NBA team to Vegas, so I think that he's gonna
be he He might want to bester Vegas like the owner,
you know, owning owning a bunch of teams.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
I think that's just where the professional sports opportunities are
right now, you know, with with getting the Golden Knights
and now getting the Raiders, and I mean it's it's
where the opportunity is. I think more than him being
like I want to be mister Vegas, but it makes
more sense to me just than ever seeing him be
a commentator on TV. I don't think he was ever.
I wasn't interested in that, but I think he had
to get back into the game.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
I mean, he tried to do it, and I mean
there was talk about Miami, so I know, I think
it's something that he definitely wants to do. And I
kind of agree with Mike and Evan about Vegas being
that opportunity right.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Because, like here, the team's not coming out of the
Craft name. You know, he's not He's obviously not getting
it from from Robert. He's not gonna and Jonathan's gonna
take over the team when it's time.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
It would never be more than a novelty right here.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
Right right someplace else like Vegas.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
But how strapped are the Raiders? I mean, is that
because I remember last year there was all that that's
about how much money they don't have.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
A lot of people think that's the reason why Josh survived.
I mean, I don't know if there's any truth to that,
but I know that was a theory that was prominently flowed.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, I do know that. When you know they built
that stadium, Mark Davis had very little control of what
was going on. The league turned to other people to
help him out, like for example, Jerry Jones owns all
the concessions there, Like was it big, right, Yeah, was
a big consultant. They in fact, you know little inside baseball,

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the Patriots were almost got involved and helped to build that.
We met and sat with the construction company and the
architects and everything, and you know, it was almost us
that we're going to be like the league consultants to
build that stadium.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
How is he so cash strouped? I mean, everybody in
this league is printing money.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
He never had any money.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
He's just never had it.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
And now Davis never had the money, you know.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
But it's the point the move to Vegas. It should
turn them around for him though, right, Like I mean
this wash.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, now he's now he's getting Now, he's getting the
revenue that every owner gets. But he doesn't have that
side business or I shouldn't say side business, but he
doesn't have that other business that is the real.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Source, the paper company, right, that is true.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
But they're just their businesses, that's it. Al Davis was
just a football coach, that's all it was.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Really, and everybody else. How does that happen?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, that's the take control of the old AFL? What
the money things happened in the old AFL.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Did the Maras have anything? I mean, were they because
I always associate them, which is kind of the giant.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, the Maras had some other business.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
It was like one of those things where they bought
the team for seven thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Well, I do know the Rooney think the Maras and
the Rooney's I think are a little bit different because
they've been around for I mean, we're talking about like
the twenty you know, buying a team was like, you know,
that's the Hallis family in Chicago. They've been around forever.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Clark Hunt was oil absolutely. He actually had the team
in Texas first and he moved him to Kansas City.
Lamar yeah, I mean Lamar Hunt. Yeah right, it was
his father. Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, like a
bunch of them. I don't like most of these.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Maras now they like going Hollywood, right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
But you know, all these owners have a business, you know,
I know, packers are I never thought of it that
different than you know.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't really think of it that way either.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
You always learned this stuff brought it all home.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
We have a lot of businesses. I remember in uh
in orientation they explained the whole Craft group, Umbrella, I
got the paper company, and Cager and you got the
I mean, it was it was. It was kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I mean, like people just think of Robert Craft football,
but I f P is like the fifth biggest importer
in the country.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Right, and how many people just stand Yeah, like most
people think he's like crap food, right, Everybody Like I've
gotten that before, Like, oh, Craft, like Mac and cheek
Kraft Foods.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
He has nothing to do with Draft food.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
I just remember after orientation I went home and the
Petco box that we had delivered was made by by
Rand Whitney, and I was like, hey, there you go,
we got.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Another of their company. Yeah yeah, yeah, So you know
al And you know of course, now Mark, they don't
have that big revenue. You know, it's all what they
get from football.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
It's interesting to me because they've moved their team more
than anybody, right, Like I mean they're Oakland or yeah, Vegas.
I mean they've been all over the place. Just I
don't know, that doesn't all match up to me. It's interesting, but.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
No, I mean if the league had its way decades ago,
Al Davis would not have been the Raiders. You know,
they got to get.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
A side hustle.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
You gotta Vegas. Vegas.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Well that's the thing you know now, you know the
beauty of Vegas is like with all the casinos, there's
no problem you know, filling those luxury boxes and of
the signage and all that extra money that comes in
from your corporate base. There's plenty of money to go around.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
You guys were there last year. What was the atmosphere.
I mean, did it feel like a significant portion of
true Raider fans or did it feel like there were
a large portion of people who were gambling on the
script and said, Hey, let's go see a Raiders game.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
I thought that there was a pretty good amount of
Raiders fans at the regular season game we went to.
I I we were at the Golden Nights game the
night before, and that felt much more like this. You know,
we were sitting next to there's a bachelor party that
like are doing that as like their early night activity,
and like, you know, like there is a lot more
of that going on. But I thought that there was
a decent amount of like home field advantage well for

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the rate.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
When they first built this, I remember they asked Mark Davis,
you know, how are you going to feel about, you know,
half the stadium being people just from the other team visiting.
He's like, we understand that that's the way it's going
to be for a while, and we're okay with that.
You know, Yeah, as long as they're selling out the.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Money's money, you're selling out the suits and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
That's where you're getting your.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
That's where you make your money, right.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
I wonder what a like a low price ticket, Like
if you were day a game, wanted to grab a ticket,
I wonder how hard that would be to procur procure.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
A couple of chips.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
That's good word, the cure ticket.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah. So, but you know, this gets back to like,
you know, who's making the decisions on these things like
Thursday night games, And it's getting more and more and
more away from people who really just love football and
understand the game.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I mean, it's just do you think it's I just
I think we all find ourselves. I mean, I'll speak
for myself. I just I struggle because it's such a
violent game, and it's something that I love about the
game is the physicality of it and how hard of
a game that it is, and trying to balance doing
as much as you can to reasonably prevent injuries but
also not eating into the soul of the physicality of
the game. That I think, you know, is what drew

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so many of us to this game originally. And I
think that's what everybody's afraid of, is like what point
are you going to go beyond the pale? And it
doesn't look like football anymore, it doesn't, you know, And
I don't know. If it's eliminating kickoffs, it probably would.
You'd get used to that probably pretty quick. But they
just sometimes I just wonder if there's too much, Like
we're trying to change too much always, like every year

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there's seven new rules that have to be implemented to
do X, Y and Z, and I just I don't know,
I wonder if it's too much.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, and there is one other thing that has gotten
a lot of the third quarterback thing.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
We haven't talked about that yet now, no great news
though great os.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Mike is funny, funny man, But they put the emergency
quarterback rule back into effects, so that wouldn't count as
one of the roster spots on game day, but he
would have to be on the fifty three man roster
like always.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Right. But see, here's the thing, though, I correct me
if I'm wrong. You can have him as the emergency
quarterback and it doesn't take away from your game day roster.
But you can't just use him willie nilly. You can
only use them if your other two quarterbacks go down. Now,
I guess you could fake that, but you know you
can't fake.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
But they can't go back in the game, right, you
can fake it if you want to, but if it
doesn't go well, you can't say, oh, well right, that
didn't work right.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
So it's not like it's not like you know, and
I know this is what people are thinking. It's not
like Malik Cunningham can go in and out of the game,
you know.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
But how great it would be if he could.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
You would have to make him the second quarterback and designate,
say in this case, Bailey Zappy right in order to
do that, right, which a lot of people don't. Just
blame Alex and Alex you can blame you can blame Alex,
but but Alex isn't the only one talking about this.
A lot of other people are talking about it too.
I find it awfully hard to believe that they would
go into a game with Malik Cunningham as the number

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two quarterback because you have a package of plays that
you're going to use now, you know, then you'd be
sort of you'd be sort of stuck. Now, I guess
you could get around that.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I think he could do it.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
I guess you could he could.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Get around that. I guess like if mac Jones were
to get hurt and he's out for the game, like
you know he's out for the game, So you could
then go to the third quarterback and say that Malik
Cunningham is not going till return to this game. I
guess you could do it that way and get around
it seems like a loophole to me.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Better but then better to exploit.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Then if Malie Cunningham gets hurt, now you screw it, right.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
But I just feel like if we did that, there
would be a year long investigation that would go all
the way to the Supreme Court about how the Patriots
fake Bailey Zappi's injury. So I'm just not interested in
opening that camphere.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Bailly, you're really so you don't have to fake, you
just you just declare that Zappi is out, he's not
eligible anymore.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
I don't wait, wait, no, you have to have some
sort of confusing me.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
You wouldn't want you'd want Bailey Zappi to play like
you wouldn't like my guess. Let's just let's play this
out right. Okay, it's a hypothetically, but I think none
of us really thinks. So if you're going to get
Malik Cunningham is the number two, you don't have to
fake anything with Bailey Zappy.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Correct, just say that Zappi is not he's the third quarterback.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
You don't have to say anything the third quarterback. But
what that means is if Mac Jones is hurt, you
live and die with MALIEK. Cunningham as your quarterback, or.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Or you fake Malik Cunningham.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
If Millie Cunningham comes in and it's an absolute disaster,
Oh he pulled a hammy.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Now now he's out for the game. Jones is out
for the game, and you go with your third quarterback Zappy,
and then you go that's the loophole, right, But I
don't I could just see Malie Cunningham's doing really bad
on the sideline.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
You know, one of the coaches hits him over the head.
He's got a concussion.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Your second We can't fool around with head.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
He's got comes the thirteenth month of instigations.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Yeah, I think there are ways around it. I just
you know what, what's I think Malik cunning him is
enough to worry about right now, other than you know,
his his package of plays for the opener against Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
I just don't can we got to cutting him on Thursday,
throw a football before we started to crown him as
this this this taste some heavy tra yeah, knowing them,
it probably would be after all this Malek cunning him.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
So just another wrinkle. The third quarterback is back, the
emergency quarterback.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
And one of the news d back is going to
be on NBC the pre game.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Kevin mccordy. Good gig to land right, yea, Paul, have
you gone to Twitter yet to you know, say how
she deserves this opportunity. I have not always going to
kill it.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
I have been rafted.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
You're crafting that one? Yeah, I have not.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Are we going to release official statement?

Speaker 7 (29:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Maybe I'll just send them a text.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Paul and I have a running like just people just
want to like get in insert themselves into someone else
about good fortune.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
It's about you.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Yeah, you know it does do well. You get you
get all the likes and tweets.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Oh yes, oh yeah yeah so Fred and no socks
and I have a running joke when something like that
happens and it's it's like clockwork everything you know, and
and I and I admit.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
My day don't forget to go on Twitter and remind
people you know.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
You're the one that has the wonderful mother right.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
Thanks, My mother who doesn't have Twitter, right, you know,
might as well.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
How you know, all mothers are the rock of the family,
you know, just remind everybody.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
That and and harm.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Why don't you go tell your wife. You don't need
to tell Twitter.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Tell her it's my thoughts exactly. Well, Facebook, the big
one too, with the like birthday tribute like this woman
right here, she keeps this household to get you know,
you have to write like a big, long, right tribute
on her birthday or else you don't like her.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I think all right? Anyway, eight five five PATS five
hundred is the ACE ticket hotline. Web radio at Patriots
dot com is the email addressed.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
We getting emails and calls because I know that's Internet.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
We did get some late breaking news just before the
show that in Jets practice, Aaron Rodgers may have tweaked
his ankle a little bit. It was off of the sideline.
It didn't look right.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
I mean, they might be able to save the ankle,
but it didn't look I'm looking good for I'm just
on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
It's nothing.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I don't I have no idea.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
I'm not even really that good.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Uh yeah, no, no, updates. I just see the Rassini
Rassini tweets.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Doesn't look good.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
No, it doesn't look good.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
No updates. I mean that says a lot.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yeah, what are they gonna run over to Diana Resenion?

Speaker 5 (31:00):
He's the best? Was is yesterday? He he like scrambled
for a touchdown with the.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Red jersey, and I was like, Oh, they didn't really
just put this out there like pump fakes scrambles for
a touchdown, Like that's not what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
In seven on seven.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
It's like you're not supposed to have the one's open
and seven on seven Now I run.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Now, I get like, you know, Rogers running play, you know,
I get that, but like it doesn't mean you have
to applaud it as a touch Like I.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Don't want to say that I'm jaded now about OTA practices,
but I just am realistic and people and I don't
want to ever not get excited to see it. And
I am excited to see it, but you just have
to be realistic about what you're going to actually see
out there.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
And I thought Mike had a good line in his
Sunday Notes just you know, last year at this time
Trey Nixon was catching passes all over the place. He
was not on the active roster in the twenty twenty
two seasons. So just a little perspective right there.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
It's like who's out there? Like I am interested? You
know some of the guys that were injured. Are they anticipating?
Are people there? But I mean, are we gonna figure
out what Bill O'Brien's got planned for this season? And
you know, shirts and T shirts.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
I think you might get some foundational elements of what
they have planned, which is what I'm looking forward to
because I think this is when you put in your
core stuff, Like this is when you put in what
they would call basic, right, like you're not gonna go
out there and like last year hopefully when they started
running outside zone all over the place and then they
barely used it, Like hopefully this is different.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, they tell us that, you know, they put things
in now so that when they get to training camp,
they're not starting completely from scratch. You know, they're got
something to build on.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Just think gets some pretty passes to watch in shorts,
you know. I mean it's like there's nothing you're gonna
take on defense, you know, I mean, who's playing the passes, right, Well,
that's what Treey Nixon was right.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
It's all about personnel groups. That's all I look at.
You know, this is why I find out that, you know,
Ronnie Perkins isn't in the mix and like a you.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Know Malcolm Butler is.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, that's how you know you find well, I bet
that's a guy that they might have some some promise.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
I mean maybe with mccordy in that, but even that,
it's like, well, it's probably gonna be Dugger and Phillips
South there and they're just gonna have a base defense
and you know, it's not like we're going to be
seeing all the different packages there.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Because even that you have to be careful of. And
another thing that Mike reesaid was the information about Michael
Owen having surgery, so he's not going to be out there,
so someone, you know, maybe one of the rookies will
be at at guard one of the draft.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
At least we don't have to spend an hour wondering
who's calling plays because who's going to.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Do that, who's got the walkie talking. That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It's a welcome I mean, they all have radio.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Rather than study the coaches we can at least go
back to watching the actual per I do.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
I do hope that we get out there in all
seriousness and Mac Jones is the unquestioned guy, like he's
carrying himself that way, and I think that those are
what I think. He already had a few a few
notes about that recently, that that Mac is leading. How
do we know he can lead? Or something like that
was one of his sources said. But I do hope

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that that's what we see on Thursday, that Mac is
mact in control, in control, He's there's no I can't.
I have no time for this quarterback competition this summer.
I think it's a waste of everybody's time.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Quite frankly, I'm not anticipating one either.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
So I I just I hope that that's why it should.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Be Mac's job to lose. Yeah, period period. So it is.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
But do you really think there's a chance that he
could lose it?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
I don't. I don't. I'm with him, I don't really Camp.
I think we've talked about this.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
I don't think he could lose it in camp. I
think he could lose it during the season.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
I don't think he could lose it in camp Y.
I don't think it's a true It.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Could be something happened this year and I'm not talking
about injury that he's just so awful, But I I'm
betting against that. I'd be willing to bet against that.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I just I think it's when that when it gets
the going gets tough, that's when I feel like we'll
be for Mac to either prove he can do it
and bounce back and you know, stand strong when you're
going against good teams and it's not going your way.
Those are the things that I can to see him.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Push one of Evans simulators.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
No, they don't want to.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I don't have Patriots at eleven and six.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
I don't like you could put anything on a graphic
and people will believe it.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I'm like, like, who put.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
This on a graph?

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Not real?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
No, it is real, But it's like.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
They felt the need to put it on a graphic.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
It's like as if to say like that this makes
it have actual.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, yeah, Madden says, so.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Graphic it said the Celtics had ninety seven the series.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Well, last week Barth showed me the simulator and you
know him. He's like, this is the greatest thing. And
he's so he simulates the season for the Patriots and
Mac had forty five hundred yards, thirty touchdowns to nine interceptions,
and Ramandra Stevens had had seventeen hundred yards from scrimmage.
And I looked at him. I was like, this, this
is crap, Like what are you talking? This is not

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gonna happen, Like this is why why are we even
giving this a time of day if that's what it's
gonna simulate, And it had the Patriots even despite that,
the Patriot's going eight and nine, And I was like,
so Mac is gonna throw for forty five hundred yards
and thirty touchdowns and Remondre is gonna be an All
Pro running back statistically and they're gonna go eight and
Nine's like, no, no, this thing is crap. It's crap.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Whatever Evan, I'm gonna do it again.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Oh oh.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
They did a whole show on it him in uh
An Interurn Mike cad Lick. They did an entire show
U going through the PFF simulator and whether and whether
they agree with it or not. Like I was just like,
this is just crazy that the like this is just crap.
At least a mock draft has like some sort of

(36:37):
you know, sele of content is.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Then in this game this right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna.
I have no idea about like records, you know, and
all that stuff, but like like numbers and stuff like,
I think numbers can fluctuate like that. I like, I
don't think it's completely outrageous to suggest forty five hundred
yards and thirty touchdowns. I don't know what that'll translate to. Yeah,

(37:01):
like does that mean instead of fifteen rushing touchdowns you
only had five? Like, so your touchdowns are roughly the same, right, yeah,
you know, like I don't not just punching them in
how many points?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
To me?

Speaker 4 (37:10):
In a you know, in a seventeen game season, you
should be throwing for over four thousand yards routinely, So
forty five to me is not outrageous.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
It's probably high, I agree with Evan.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
But forty five hundred and thirty touchdown pass you should.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Like, you should like to me, those are kind of
average numbers nowadays.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Well they're good quarterback numbers. Yeah, good, good, yeah, yeah
good quarterback.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
Daniel Jones just got paid and he had I think
fifteen touchdown passes flash but talking about it.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
That's true. But he also ran a lot like I
don't think he's going to get like Lamar Jackson, and
you know that the other you know, Jalen Hurts, they're going.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
To run around and.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
You two are killing me today.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
I don't know what.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
I don't know what happened.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
I don't know what happened to my staff. Everybody's just
off the rest.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Little social media violence in Kansas City. Patrick Maho tweeted
out or whatever he used Instagram to say, the Phoenix Coyotes.
He said, you ought to move to Kansas City, and
someone from the social media the Coyotes said you ought
to spend more time keeping your little brother out of jail.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
You can't a menace.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Just as an example, how quickly would I be fired
if I if I.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, that wouldn't be on Twitter. But I guess if
you're the Phoenix Coyotes.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Right, what have they got? I mean they got no stadium.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Some of these teams, like the Carolina Hurricanes are another
one that they get real snarky on Twitter. Some of
the teams that you're not going to take shots at
the Hurricanes, the Chargers, like these teams that aren't actually relevant,
they try to make themselves relevant by being snarky on Twitter.
I remember last year the when the Kines knocked the

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Bruins out in the first round. They like made like
this whole thing about Bruins fans like saying like Bruins
in six or like, you know, Hurricanes thing. It's like,
the Bruins are an original six franchise. They have multiple
Stanley Cup championships. You're the Carolina Hurricane. You weren't even
a real team twenty years ago, and you're talking all
this crap, Like, yeah, it drives me nuts.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
You know, I don't mind it.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
I think it's I think I think it's funny if
it's done well. Yeah, and I think it can be
done well. Like the Arizona thing. To me, that's not that.
That to me wasn't funny. And as much as I'm
with everybody else on Patrick Mahomes's brother, he's pretty annoying
and maybe even worse, you know, depending on what the
actual severity is of right what got him in trouble.

(39:46):
But everybody has been sort of campaigning for the Coyotes,
Like I saw a whole thing for the Hertford Whalers
to come back, you know, and uh, you know, like
bring him back to Hartford and this is what we
could do. We could build a new r you know. Yeah,
like did they similarly shoot back up?

Speaker 3 (40:03):
You know, like right to me?

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Like that's that was a little bit.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Just don't come after the fans.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
You went from zero to one hundred real quick.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Just don't don't come after the fans. If you want
to go after other teams, like the Chargers, like with
their schedule release, you know, they poke fun at all
the other teams and stuff, fine, but don't come after
the fans.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Well, don't go after family members either, you know, like
you don't.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
Don't don't punch pullow the belt.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah, if it's funny, I like it, but most of
them aren't really all that funny crack team of guys
in here.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
All right, Yeah, we h. I know that if you're
listening to this, you're going to be listening as a podcast,
probably because we're not streaming live. We've got some problems,
but that's that's okay. We get people calling in anyway. Well,
let's go to Sean and Vancouver on the A stick
and hotline. What's up? Sean, Sean, all the phone's at

(40:53):
working either dead.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
I think that's a U issue.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
No, Sean, what's up, Sean? Okay, emails, Yep, we'll have
to go to emails. Emails are coming in.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Oh wait, there's nothing there.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Taylor Swift broke our internet?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I think, yeah, I think that might be the case.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Actually, did you get to get to no, No, far away,
far far away, far far away?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
I should tell I bailed, just bailt I know. On
Thursday I was I was wondering, but yeah, we were.
We're out too much rain.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
My wife said it was absolutely fantastic, even in the
poor and rains. Oh yeah, people, I mean it was
that she put on a phenomenal con.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
It was like a revival.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah. I heard it from a lot of people who
just felt the whole thing was kind of lukewarm, not
not that great, just kidding. No one said that. Everyone
says it's amazing. Have you heard of anybody that was
like it was?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Ok?

Speaker 4 (41:49):
The only like place of reference I have is my
wife and three nieces that she took, so I wouldn't
know what anybody was saying.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
And all the people that were standing like in the
parking lot, I mean, you know, I just it was
it was insane. Here, it was insane.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
And that said, it's a much different crowd because she
only saw three people being taken out. Yeah, and usually
Chesney it's like, yeah, although you get that every ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Like all the all the men's bathrooms were coming dard
and like women being in urine all the nuts.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
It was a couple like fourteen year olds who just
couldn't handle it. They had to be escorted out. They
were so overwhelmed seeing Taylor Swift in person, those kind
of things that's not really drunk crazy fight people at
Taylor Swift concerts.

Speaker 5 (42:31):
I'm guessing I would go to Taylor Swift if it
if it wasn't for the teenage girl factor. Yeah, like
that's like where I can't get over because I can't go.
And I went to Beyonce and jay Z a couple
of years ago whenever that was and and just the
screaming and I just went for I'm like Beyonce is fine,
but I love jay Z. So I went to go,

(42:53):
you know, really see jay Z as part of the
concert and just screaming for Beyonce. I was just like
this is why, Like this is just not.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
As part of the discussion in our household as we
were trying to decide to go. Rain was a big factor,
but also just like dealing with the whole atmosphere because
like no offense, but not in it, you just kind
of want to see a show.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Taylor Swift is really my generation, like people in their
twenties or early thirties, like myself, because she came out
when I was in like I think eighth or ninth grade,
so like that that's her core fan base. Like people
my age are like the people that are like her,
you know, original OG fans, And now you have like

(43:31):
these like thirteen year old girls that are like jumping
on now. And it's like, I gotta be honest with you,
like this doesn't make me want to go to the
concert because I don't want to deal with this.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Yeah, real, just a real quick addendum to the Thursday
night flex scheduling thing. And I just saw a quote
attributed to Jerry Jones. I'm reading on the scroll and
it just said it's it's a great thing for the
majority of our fans.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, And I.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Think that speaks volumes as to what the league worries about.
They don't care about the guy who's actually spending his
time and money to come to your event. They don't
care if they're in empty stadiums, right, because they're not
making the money off of you, Right, They're making the
money off of the people and the billions and billions
of dollars they're getting to televise these games, and if
they can get more eyeballs, they can charge more money

(44:16):
for the networks to broadcast the games. That's all they
care about.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, Andy and Cleveland. As we approach Memorial Day this week,
I thought it'd be a good time to revisit the
offseason show topic of ranking hot dog brands.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
I don't remember doing that one.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
I think we had a question number one.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
As podcasts listener, I missed the chance to chime in
on the day this came up last year, and when
I wrote in for the next show, Fred decided shut
down the hot dog discussion.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I don't have any I must have been a vacab.

Speaker 8 (44:44):
I haven't read brands in the five years I've been here.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
I got to leave time for the soap with a
slot talk after all. Anyway, my comment last year was
that you guys had a whole talk about hot dogs,
and no one even mentioned Ballpark the Michael Jordan of
hot dogs. That would probably get my vote. But I
agree with Fred that he is pretty good. Regardless of
the brand, they definitely taste better grilled or especially at
a baseball game.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Bill Park.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
Frank's is your number one Hebrew Nationalist one.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I like Hebrew national all beef. You can't get the
you know, you know, uh low beef one or Kayam
is good too.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
I think that's Frank Kayam is the brand?

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Is that what you're gonna say?

Speaker 5 (45:25):
I know I was gonna say, Pearl hot dogs. Pearls
are good, Pearls are number one, pearl pearls.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Are very good. I used to actually know that family
hundred years ago. Reships.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
Again, those are those are some hefty hot dogs. So
you gotta be you're you're you're eating the meal there.
But Paul Park Franks, my goodness, Like, come.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
On, I mean, listen, in a pinch, I'll eat him.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
I love, but I would agree with the ones that
you guys have put above it.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
I would have. And and what's your like? I know
the easy way is you just boil him and eat him.
But like, if you have your brothers what's the best
way to cook them that tastes the best in your opinion?

Speaker 3 (46:06):
I mean I could go a lot of different ways,
because I do like a good grilled, little crispy hot
dog grilled sometimes, but I also like to cut them
in half like five guys doesn't, and and cook them
on the flat top and then kind of get anose
in that way.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I liked them.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Those are my two fried in butter.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Isn't bad fried and butter?

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, I've tried to look at his belly.
I've tried them all.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
I kind of like broiling them. Yeah, that's what my
dad used to do in the winter time, and you know,
kind of gives that same grill. It's kind of like
grilling them a little bit.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
No, I do love my hot dogs.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
And how do you now them?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
See in New England people don't know how to eat
a hot dog. You eat a hot dog with spicy mustard,
spicy brown mustard and sour kraut. That's how you eat
a hot dog. Yeah that's fine, but you don't have
you can't get sour krowd up here.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
Well, that's what I was going to say, Like, where
do you get.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
The sour right you can't get it up here.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
I just go onions with them with Yeah, there you go. Yeah,
mustard and onions were tried on a hot dog. Paul
Pearl knew that was coming. See now this year we
won't have to do that because we'll have Malie Cunningham
to entertain us.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Welcome, Welcome.

Speaker 5 (47:14):
I'm trying to get you sent to me by Pearl
by saying.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Well your hot dog buns? Do you like the buns
that have the brown on the outside of New England buns.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
That are Martin the white? I like the white on
both sides.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
You like the white on both sides?

Speaker 5 (47:28):
Yea, I should try those Martins.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
They're like potato rolls, Yeah, potato bread.

Speaker 7 (47:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
This is a hot dog I never thought i'd take
because I don't really.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Yes, bad, big big hot dog. Family, big hot dog.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
But you gotta do the beef though, right, because.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I made the worst mistake once when I was a kid.
It was either my mother's birthday or Mother's Day. I
got her a hot dog maker and she.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Looked at me like like you like, you put the
intestine here me one.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
That had like the little the process. Yeah, and you
put them on semi. Yeah, and I brought her that
and she's like, no, this is.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
I remember one year when we were still in Walpole
Park for the Red Sox opening day. Once remember Bobby
uh what was his name, Bobby Nichols.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Oh yeah, he had like a whole tail game.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Inside Wallpole with the George Foreman.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
He had like a Buelman grill with the hot dogs,
and we had like Red Sox.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Opening played with fotball on the back.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
It's like.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
It was a simpler time. Yeah, we weren't worried about
like tenth Pole events in the off season to carry
the social media.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
All right, calls coming in eight five five, pass five hundred, Sean,
and Vancouver is back. What's up, Sean?

Speaker 9 (48:43):
Yeah, No, I couldn't hear anything for a while. Actually,
the main reason I called is so I can hear
the show.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Someone else is doing that now too.

Speaker 9 (48:52):
Yeah. But I want to talk a little bit about
the Eagles opener because I'm kind of happy in a
way that it's coming right away, because it's it's the
biggest challenge is that team is stacked like they they
are great everywhere and we're going to see right away,
especially in the areas where the Patriots struggled last year,
if they've improved enough, you know, or at all. I

(49:15):
think in the secondary they have, I'm pretty sure. But
I want to see how that's that challenge comes through.
And I'm wondering if Jonathan Jones is going to be
playing more safety than than not. I'm not sure if
he's going to be in the slaughter or to have
Marcus Jones. And we'll see what we see how that
shapes shapes up.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Yeah, I think the secondary personnel is one of the
things that we'll probably be looking at a little bit
in the next few weeks in these these camps because
I think you could go with Jalen Mills back there too.
And as Sean said, have Jonathan Jones in the slot.
I don't love the idea. I love, love, love Marcus Jones.
I don't think I love the idea of him being
a full time corner, Like.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
I just think he's well a slot corner.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah, I don't love that idea. No, No, I now
maybe he's better than I then I remember, but I
think I just saw him chasing a lot.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah in certain games though, Like I want him running
with Tyreek Hill when we play the Dolphins. Now he
should I'll take Jonathan Jones should have help, but I
want him, you know, stride for stride with him at
least being there so minimize the yards after catch.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
I think they got a lot of matchup pieces.

Speaker 10 (50:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
How is it depending on week to week how it goes,
you know, maybe there are certain matchups that make more
sense than me. I just like to see more of him.
I think he got last year kind of thrust in
the fire plane outside at the end of the year
and not really his ideal spot. But I also am
not as high on playing him full time on offense
as I know a lot of people out there are
that are banging that drum that he should, you know,
have nearly a full time role on offense. I don't know.

(50:49):
I don't know about that one.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Uh, Sean, you want me to put you on hold? Yeah, okay,
down the line.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
I'm also I'm weary of Jonathan Jones playing a ton
of safety because I'm as high on Christian Gonzalez as anybody.
But until Christian Gonzalez gets his feet wet a little
bit in the NFL, Jonathan Jones is still your best corner.
So you're moving your best corner back. I just I

(51:17):
would much rather see him stick at corner where he belongs,
I think. And Jack Jones, I think is the big
wildcard out of all this is Frankly, can you get
himself out of the doghouse to be a contributor, because
I've seen so many guys, and we've all seen so
many guys that once you cross Belichick like you usually

(51:37):
don't play like right, once you're outside the circle of trust,
you're kind.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Of the season with With Jonathan Jones.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Marcus Jones, and Miles Bryant.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
It was Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones. Yeah, so yeah, I
mean Jack Jones is the wildcard. You guys are right,
because if he has a role and it's Jonathan Jones
and Jack Jones while you're waiting for Gonzales. You know,
I think Gonzales eventually will be that guy probably weak one, probably, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
But.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
That to me makes more sense, And that's why I
would identify Mills for a lot of reasons, not the
least of which was him sort of hinting at it.
He's on Twitter, you know, I think Mills is the
guy that will be back there. But I also hesitate
to just say because they drafted Christian Gonzalez in the
first run, your secondary is going to be better than
it was last year. You also lost a very important
piece of that secondary last year. So I think it

(52:34):
has the potential to be better because I think Gonzales is,
you know, potentially better than any corner you have. But
like Evin said, you have to see that before you
just automatically assume it.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Only Cunning.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Yeah, I think with Jack a little better than Anie
Cunning him.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
I think with Jack Jones because with Jack Jones in
the fold, and you have Jack Jones playing outside even
with Christian Gonzalez, and then you know they're gonna play
three corners the majority of the time. So then Marcus Jones,
you think, is in the slot, and that would allow
John Jones in this scenario to be more flexible and
play a little bit.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
I like the idea of Gonzales and Jack Jones with
Jonathan Jones in the slot. That to me would be
ideal if it worked out that way. But I agree
with the way you guys talked about Jack Jones, both
of you. We've seen this before with Bill. It takes
a lot to sort of change that.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Man.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
I just hear a lot of fans, uh, you know
what about Jack Jones, like, don't forget about Jack Jones
going to be the guy. And I'm like, I'll believe
it when I see it.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Maybe he could be.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
I believe that they were going to play him when
I see it.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
But you knew that he had off the field issues
coming in. He almost felt like a chance coming in,
and then those popped up during his rookie season in
a way that I mean, what was it that he.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Talked back or something like he wasn't showing up to
I mean, this is reportedly, we don't know the actual facts,
but this is what was written at the time, was
that he was missing some of his rehab assignments and
sort of arguing with the coaching staff and the training
staff as to what his best course of action was
in rehab.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
Frankly, I'm surprised he's still on the team.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
It might speak, might speak how good they think, the
hope that they have for him being able to turn
it around.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
But just the way that when you cross that line,
I know with this team, it's forget about it.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Matt and Raleigh, North Carolina, but originally from Vermont. I
recently watched Man in the arena. And since I've only
been a Patriots fan since the twenty ten season, a
lot of the storylines during two thousand and one were
new to me. It got me wondering if the Patriots
might have still won the Super Bowl thirty six if
Drew Bledsoe was the starting quarterback just for that game.
What do you think? What was the media's take on

(54:35):
it at that time?

Speaker 4 (54:37):
It was Brady all the way in the media, and
that one game I think they could have won just
because of the way the game unfolded. But there's like,
and you will not find a bigger Drew Brett Bledsoe
supporter than me. They were not a Super Bowl team
with true Bledsoe that year. Yeah, now, that one game,
much like they won in Pittsburgh, Like was defense, it

(55:00):
was special teams, it was other factors.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Can he just orchestrate that last dry It's kind of
the only question.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Well, but but it wouldn't have cut down to field, Yes, yeah,
you know it probably the game would have looked.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Completely given John Madden chills going down the field, and.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
You know, and like I'll say it, frankly, would Drew
have made mistakes during the game before that right that
that Tom didn't because that was the difference, or would
have scored more point less mistake prom or he you
know the other possibilities he could have scored more. I
like to go that way. They would have won the
game going away, Fred, I'm with you see thirty eight
fourteen final.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Because nothing well you know, nothing would have changed for
the Patriots and defense. They would still would have had
the same game plan going in to basically hold Marshall
falk All game right.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Everything they did.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Fact probably would like to say that they beat him up.
I don't like Yeah, I know, I don't like hold
because Mary Marshall likes to claim that they that's what
the game plan.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Sure, there was a little bit of that. Marie and
Durham North, New Hampshire. I'm guessing I fall into a
rare Nietzsch category of your listeners mid twenties women who
are both lifelong listeners to the show and lifelong Taylor
Swift fans. Nice and also U Mass alumni. Shout out
to Alex. I was lucky enough to be at the
Friday concert. My friend's cousin actually met Mack and Sophie

(56:16):
on the floor that night. Got a picture with them
and said they were both the nicest people. Mack was
dressed up to match Taylor's Reputation album, and in one
of the team's social media videos, he stated that Reputation
is his favorite Taylor Swift album because of what it
stands for. I, for one, love that Mac is in
his reputation era. That album is all about ignoring the

(56:39):
haters in the media, putting in the work, and owning
who you are in your success. On the other end,
I think that is exactly what we're gonna see this season,
a solid comeback after a rough year and real f
you to anyone who thinks he isn't good enough. Also,
gotta love him showing up the Sunday Show with Mike
Asicki and Hunter Henry to the Sunday Show. You can

(57:00):
already see the chemistry there. Let's hope it shows up
just as well on the field. Wow, what did you shows?

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Great email? I agree one hundred percent. I picked up
on that when we put out the the video him
saying that he's on his reputation era. Love it, love
it the F you tour.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
I'm on it if that's what it ends up being,
and then I love it too.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I could have done without doing there.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
Listen, he was into it. He did, he did it
for right.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
We've all done things, Paul.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Come on, I've never I've never dressed up, not even
for the Dave Matthew Show. I got the tickets, that
was what I did.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
This is another thing that Bart and I always argue about, like,
just wait till you get a girl, Alex, all right,
like you'll you'll be dressing up when she says to
dress up, You dress up, dude. All right. That's just
how we were.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
The first person he calls, you know, I tried from coach.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
It doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
All that needling U branded. And I saw James White
at my work yesterday. He seems like a really nice person,
and I can see why he's one of Paul's favorite.
I told him that his part in the schedule release
video was the best part, and he said that he
had a lot of fun shooting it and that the
final project came out great. So nice job to all.

(58:17):
It seems like everyone involved had a great time. It's
true that.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Was fun watching him, Jimmy White run around for Ivan
and at some of the shots they just got were
so good of him. Just sweating, and I mean, I
just thought Chris and Tony did a great job with that.
Those scenes, just James's frustration doing stuff was fun.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yep, Bob and Wilmington, North Carolina. Please let me know
when you find a few players on this year's team
that are starved for a championship. I'm not talking about
mad dog crazy, starve like Brady was every single day.
Please just show me anyone on the team now that
is rabbit to win a championship. Who was the next
true leader of this team that will force the players

(58:57):
into another Super Bowl run. It's getting old watching us
play games with no hot I don't know, I don't
know if that's a fair criticism.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
Are we talking about the Celtics? Are we talking about.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
That's what I thought at first, you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Yeah, that's a good question. That that good point.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
Maybe they're talking about I don't think.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
I don't think I have a heart problem speaking of
the Celtics problem.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Speaking of the Celtics. So I'm watching I mean, obviously
that that Game three was an embarrassment, but I'm watching
Joe Missoula, and all I could think of was Chuck Pegano,
Like the facial expressions looking around, knowing this is time
for me to do something, but I don't know what
I should be doing. You're just out of his depth,
just like Chuck Pegana was. It was just awful. And

(59:40):
then there's no way in the hell I'm paying Jalen
Brown that MAX contract. He's gone. I'll trade him. I
want to point guard. Get me somebode who can handle
the ball.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Please, Well, that's not Jalen Brown.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
I know, but I'm gonna. I want to trade him winning. Yeah,
he's gone. We can't pay him that money. I'm sorry why,
because he's not worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
He's regressed.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
You have to pay him the money and regressed if
you had the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Best year of his career, I don't care about points.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
You have to pay. Well, he's All NBA second time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
By the way, you want to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Get rid of Jalen Brown, It's fine, he didn't regress.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
The years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
You get, you get named to the All NBA team,
and that makes you eligible for these Matt who selects
the All NBA? Right, Yeah, that's ridiculous. So the hands
of my future is in the hands of these rights.
I'll make it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
I'll make it more ridiculous. I'll make it more ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
A stupider system in my life.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
I'll make it even more ridiculous for you in a second.
But unfortunately, that's the way it's done in a lot
of sports. It's not directly tied to salary in the NFL,
but the writers pick the m v P and All
Pro teams, and there's incentives that are worth millions and
millions of dollars for that incentive is one same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
But to have a max contract based on writers.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Saying I agree, that's I agree, it's dumb. But what
I really think over the top is the way they
pick those teams. And Evan, you're being more of an
NBA guy than me. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah,
they picked teams like center, forward, forward, guard, guard, So
that's absurd.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
That's not how.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
I don't care if or not there should be the
five best players of the first team All NBA. Yeah,
I don't know the fact that Jokic is the second
team All NBA player and everybody and the brother thinks
he should have been the MVP.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Right now, you're.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Telling me, at best he's the sixth best player in
the league. Yeah, that's absurd.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
There, so they're changing that. I think they're changing that too.
It's going to be essentially front court players and backcourt players.
So uh Embi and Jokic would be able to be
on the first team together. But it's it's with Jalen
not to go on a whole like NBA contracts rant,
but trading him on the last year of his current

(01:01:53):
contract is selling for fifty cents on the dollar. You
can't do it. So you have to give him the
Supermax and trade him on the super Max to the
next team because he has no value.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Whatever the agreement contract with the next team. Fine, but
I don't I don't want them that. I mean that
that's not at that price.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
I think that they're the problem with this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Out on Jalen Brown, we were talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
The Celtics have two stars that are both to beta.
To be the guy that in that that league specifically,
you have to have a champion amongst the group. Yeah,
and those those two guys I think might be a
little bit too to lase to beta and I don't
know if they're ever gonna win together. It's a bummer
because as as a diehard Celtics fan watching, there's nothing

(01:02:39):
better besides winning obviously, then watching your team draft two
guys and then watching them blossom into superstars together like
the Jays have. But I don't know if either one
of them has that that killer I at the Tiger
and is like gonna walk into the room and be
like no, like this is what we're we're we're not
messing around, Like this is what we're doing. I don't

(01:03:00):
know if either one of those guys has that that
type of attitude.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
I mean, Jalen Brown might have the attitude, but he
doesn't have the ability.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Like, I think you're selling him short. I think you're
you're judging up small the biggest. I think you're judging
him on the last Tatum scored the I see in.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
The playoffs, just the losing the ball, the wild drives,
you know, into traffic. It's just like again, the other guys.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Are the final series, and I don't know, You're not
the only one that feels this way.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
Jalen's handles are not No, that's not that's not a
strength strength game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
All Right, we're gonna take a break. We gotta go,
Paul's gotta go. Uh But Deuce, Evan and myself would
back right after this.

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And now great moments in histories. No sense in traveling
right now?

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
And he does? You know, he doesn't just travel. He
usually does some pretty immersive, extensive trips.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, he immerses himself in the culture the people. You
got to give that, you know, case of cat food
to the local shelter.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Why do you mock charity?

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
What?

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
Why do you you're a bad per mocking?

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Yes you are, you're mocking.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
That's what you're in on your face.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
You've got that cheshire cat grin on your face.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
Oh, he's going around the world doing good things.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
What a bad man.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
Look at the bad man doing good things.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
Trying to help cats.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Is this a shelter for cats?

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
Yeah, my cat's been a little out of sorts. Really,
the last week or so. We couldn't find him for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Last Saturday were like, stop at you see that for ahead,
No out there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Now, don't sit down with them.

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That's another great moment from all right back here on
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Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Right, So Taylor Swift, thanks for nothing. Yeah, broke our internet.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
It could be a lot of stress on the network
over the weekend. I bet you know a lot of
a lot of uploading tiktotos, tiktoks.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Well, yeah, that's what when I woke up every morning,
you know, you sit down and watch them TikTok That's
all it was. There's just people out at this concert
going crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
In the rain. Yeah all right, let's see what do
we got Ramon has a simple question. He says, why
are they not restocking the Julian Edelman jerseys in the
Pro Shop. I've been trying to purchase one for two
years now. Only jerseys I've ever wanted was his in Rondo,
and now I can't get either. Guess I'll get Jalen

(01:15:18):
Brown's if he were signed that. I thought, you know,
it's funny because I was in the Pro Shop maybe
a couple of weeks ago because one of our people
left for another job, and I got him a, you know,
a customized jersey, and I remember seeing Edelman jerseys that day.
It was like two weeks ago. It was the red
throwback jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Which one's he looking for?

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
I have a a white Edelman stitched in like authentic jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
That from your fan days.

Speaker 5 (01:15:47):
Yeah, my sister got it from me for my birthday
from my fan days, so you frame it. It's in
my closet.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Now, if you were to get a jersey, would you
want it with your name, a player name or blind?
Oh no, I just go with a player name. I'm
with Meghan here, like I'm past that. I'm sixty two
year old, man. I don't want to be wearing the
name of another man on my bad.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Well, I think it's supportive player. I would. I'm with
Meghan largely like I don't think I would wear jerseys,
and I never really wore jerseys in public. But I
think you want to wear a jersey to a game,
that's that's great. You want to come to practice wear
a jersey, I'm going to care. You want to throw
a tong. I just I would just say, if you're
gonna buy a jersey, buy one that you know is
gonna last. So An Edelman, a Brady at Gronk. You
know though, I'd always try to buy players that I know.
Look even when no matter when this guy leaves the team,

(01:16:33):
I'm always gonna be able to wear it to a
Patriots thing.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
So yeah, I have three jerseys Patriots jerseys still Welker, Edelman, Brady,
and I feel like with Welker that one went in
the back of the closet for a while after he left,
But now I feel like I would. I wouldn't wear
it because I know I have covered the team, but
like if I if I were to wear a jersey,
I wouldn't be embarrassed to wear Welker anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Why would you be embarrassed. Yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
If you had a like I would wear a Hannah jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Oh yeah, that's good, right, I mean I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
I only wear like. I feel weird wearing like, you know,
like a Larry Bird jersey to himself. I never saw
Larry Bird play, so I you know, I feel weird
about that. But I usually I usually wear a Tatum
jersey the Celtics game. Sometimes I'll wear the Pierce one,
but yeah, usually Tatum the Truth. Yeah, Bruins Macavoy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
I still have to bring. I have a good from
when my dad was a rebock in the nineties, a
Bledsoe reversible jersey. So it's got the white one on
one side and the blue one on the other of
the old elves. That's a good one. And my uncle
also found a Curtis Martin one of those old ones,
but it's way too small for me to wear and
no one wants to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Okay, nice. Let's go to Todd, North Carolina on the
East ticket hut line. What's up, Todd?

Speaker 7 (01:17:45):
Well, I gotta thank Evan for another good thing. I
liked his idea of picking a position you'd like to
see in the off season and somebody I think wrote
the mail bag and he said, yeah, he was interested
in running back, and I was like, what would I
be interested in? And I figured that my from my
point of view, I really want to see what the
D line can do. And I know we won't see

(01:18:07):
much right away, but I'm hoping that the D line,
especially in the when we get to work the preseason games,
can show something some more speeds, some more activity. I
really want to see where they play. So what do
you guys, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
I was going to just ask you, like I mean,
because you've got a lot of veterans on the defensive line,
So I mean, it's are you looking at like bar
More and Keyon White, because I mean it's it's probably
going to be a lot of Guy Gotschaw and Wise.
I don't even know how much they're going to play
in the preseason.

Speaker 7 (01:18:35):
I'm hoping that they keep Guy Godshaw and Wise out.
I don't want to see them in the preseason because
well they're veterans and why wear them out. And I'm
hoping we don't see a lot of them like I expect,
just in rotation. I don't want to see like guy
on the field for the whole game or anything weird
like that. But I want to see some of the
young guys and I want to they do. I think
I'm also including the linebackers in this too, because I
want to see, you know, how the line and the

(01:18:56):
linebackers interact, and what kind of play calling they're doing,
and what they're a kind of set up on their
defense to maybe pressure the QB and you know, keep
those stats at atle Brinty guys in check.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Yeah, that's a good one. I I mean, I'm definitely
interested in how they kind of break things up with
the safety and linebacker group this year. You know, how
does mccordy's absence factor and but I'm going to say
the tight end group. I want to see what Kasiki
is and can Kasiki bring something different than Johnny I
I think you said before Juju. I am excited to
see him and to see some of the you know,
maybe he raises the level of play over over what

(01:19:30):
Jacobe had. But I think Kasiki is a real wild
card for this offense. And how do they use him.
I mean they Bill O'Brien obviously has a history with
him down year. Last year was kind of you know
not phased out, but was just not as big a
part of Mike McDaniel's offense as he was previously. So
he's got some athleticism. And I mean somebody brought up
him and Hunter Henry and Mac were at Taylor Swift days.

(01:19:51):
I like that, and I want to see how does
that trio, especially in the red zone. They were so
bad in the red zone last year, worst team in
the league. So I think kasiki for me, and you know,
how how does that all come together with the tight ends?

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
Yeah, I wrote a you know, wide receivers, I think
is obvious. Everybody loves watching the wide receivers, especially this
time of year before we get the pads on. But
I said running back because I really want to see
Pierre Strong involved, Like I want to see them get
a guy that has some real game breaking speed, some touches.
They don't have enough of those guys, it feels like
over the last couple of years. And they have two

(01:20:23):
now with Taekwon and Pierre Strong, and that's why they
drafted those guys in that class. And let's see what
those guys can do in the open field. Let's get
them into some space, Let's get them in some advantageous
matchups or situations where they can use that speed and
see if they can make some plays.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
See, and that's a guy too, like Pierre Strong. He
should get plenty of action in the pre preseason, the summer,
you know, right, So it's totally interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
I just don't want, you know, I think this team
sometimes they fall into those traps of going with the
veteran guy, and like, I don't want to see James
Robinson more involved than Pierre Strong. And it's no offense
to James Robinson. I just think that Pierre Strong, you
got to give him a shot. You got to. You
don't know what he is yet, right, because I mean
he was a fantastic player at San Diego State, and

(01:21:07):
you know, you really are are South Dakota State, I say,
you know, close close, and uh, you know, he's a
fantastic player there and real, I mean he had something
crazy like double digit touchdowns over fifty yards or something
like that and his last year there. So let's see
what he's got.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Just watching NFL Network is showing a player's choice game.
It's Jacoby Myers, and he chose a Monday Night Football
Patriots Jets game three years ago, yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (01:21:38):
I think it's still his game high or career high
in receiving yards for a single game. So I think
that's why I picked this one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
I figured he had a good game, Yeah, Ryan. His
favorite jersey is a light blue tie law from the nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Nice.

Speaker 10 (01:21:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
And his offseason question is if every Brady led team
was to have a tournament, which which year would come
out on top? Uh?

Speaker 14 (01:22:00):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
That's a good question. I wish Paul was here to
chime in that one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I mean, oh, seven comes to mind first.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
I mean, how do you I mean, even though they
didn't win it, I think I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
But that fourteen was also a really good team.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Not quite the offensive powerhouse, I felt like, but maybe
a little bit more on top of their game as
far as defensively, Like those guys were all still like
I think by the time you got to seven, guys
like Bruce Ki McGinnis, obviously Junior Seou came in, those
guys were kind of tapering off, I felt like, And
that was maybe a little bit of what the Bruins
were this year, like kind of the death rattle of
a really really good group of players that you know,

(01:22:34):
just to play out of their minds. And you know,
just didn't have quite enough gas at the end to
punch it through. But oh, seven or four, I think
maybe fourteen lurking in there, So I.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
Would say fourteen it would be up there for me.
I think just when you look at that roster, there
are guys at the back end of that roster that
couldn't even get on the field that were big time
NFL players because of how deep they were, especially on defense.
You know, Malcolm Butler was an afterthought on that fourteen
team for a lot out of the season and then
he ends up making the biggest player of the year.

(01:23:02):
So I think that they're that team you still had.
You know, on offense, it's Kroc, it's Edelman. You know,
they were stacked. They were stacked team in fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Let's see. Trent writes in from Sylvan Lake, just wanted
to get it pat in the back to Paul for
his great work on the Pats from the Past podcast.
The latest episode with Scott Pioli might be the best
one yet. It was full of awesome insight into team
building and specifically how Bill built the team. It was
also great at showing Pioli as a person, made him

(01:23:37):
so much more likable. He came across as genuinely good guy.
My opinion of him did a complete one eighty after
listening keep up the good work, long ball, Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
I got to listen to that one. I still haven't
gotten to it, but it's two part. I got to
throw it in today. I'm excited to hear it. Paul said.
They you know, they got a lot of good stuff
out of PILLI and just Paul knows Peoli a little bit,
so I think that always helps it. Mankins, he knows
Mankins a little bit. When they have that relationship, it
always seems like they get good, good stuff out of
the guys.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Yeah, they feel more comfortable, they open up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Yeah, that's a good format. They've done it over forty
now and keep doing them.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Yeah, keep pumping them out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Floyd and Redford Michigan Evan, thank you for talking about
the possibility. However, remote of Malik Cunningham as a quarterback question,
Why is it so important to see Mac Jones defeat
Kenny Pickett? Why couldn't you take the discourse around the
team if Kenny outduels Mac?

Speaker 7 (01:24:31):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
I said that on catch twenty two?

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Oh yeah, what was that about.

Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
I just need to see Mac beat Kenny Pickett in
that Steelers Patriots game. We were talking about the schedule.
It's not like the I don't really it's not like
I'm gonna break into tiers if he doesn't. But I
just those are the types of quarterbacks now, Kenny Pickets
of the world that Mac Jones should be beating. Like
if he's going to be your guy, then he's got

(01:24:56):
to be able to beat those types of cubes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
What did you think of Picket last year? I mean,
like compared it compared to Mac Max two years.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
I thought, is like his last month of the season
with his rookie Max rookie year. I just Pickett and
Mac are similar, like I think that they're similar skill sets,
similar certainly in body type as well. So I just
I don't know, I got to see him out duel
some of these quarterbacks and Kenny Pickett, we're not really

(01:25:22):
asking him to out duel Patrick mahomes by saying that
I want a baby Kenny Pickett babe like in some babysack.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
But you got to figure out where Mac is, you know.
I think that's all just part of the pecking order
and I mean, we know a lot of the matchups
that he's going to be going against a team with
a quarterback who's better than him, and we know what
that entails. But those games, I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
Like Sam Howell, Kenny Pickett, even Derek Carr, like I'd
like to see if.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Matt scores thirty four points and you lose, is that
match fault depends?

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
And it depends does he have a chance to win
the game?

Speaker 7 (01:25:51):
Late?

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
Do you know you got to win some of these
games that are not twenty to seventeen, like you got
to be able to win ps.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Kenny Pickett's game winning throw on the road against the
Ravens was Mahomes esque. Teflon Mack couldn't make that play.
Oh gosh, Josh and Dallas. I'm sure you guys have
seen by now j C. Jackson calling the Patriots match
up a revenge game. To be honest, I'm not sure

(01:26:20):
he was a big enough player for the Patriots to
be saying something like that, and he kind of chose
to leave as opposed to being traded. I recently went
back and watched the KCAFC Championship game, and late in
the game. He almost cost them a few times with
penalties in getting burned and third down. This is my question.
Do you think some of the former New England corners

(01:26:42):
have had success because of scheme or are they just
good at identifying talent? Looking forward to seeing what Gonzales
looks like this year, I think both.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
I think they I think they got an eye for guys,
and I think that they're able to develop them. I mean,
don't I think that they get a little bit. I mean,
I don't mean this as a negative, but I just
think people generally say, like, well, they just developed number
one corners all the time. I don't think that that's true.
I think that they can develop solid cornerbacks all the time,
especially in the slot where they seemingly have an unending
supply of guys coming through. But I think Christian Gonzalez

(01:27:12):
is gonna I'm optimistic that Christian Gonzalez is gonna kind
of change the formula a little bit and say, all right, yeah,
they can take an undrafted guy like Malcolm Butler and
turn him into you know, first a super Bowl hero
and then a starting corner for a couple of years.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
So cash is in but.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Zales Okay, so what are whether the number one corners
that they developed, like truly number.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
One corner I mean Butler, I mean a number.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
One corner And we're not talking if not counting Butler
and j C. Jackson then really not none none.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
So like it's kind of they take guys who were
low drafted or not drafted and they make them players
in the NFL. I mean, I'll give him that JA C.
Jackson is making them number one corners.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
I mean, I think j. C. Jackson is probably better
than than Malcolm Butler was, but you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Jackos prove himself as a number one course as close
as you got in jury's out, he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
No. I did see those comments. I'd also just like
the highlight. I liked what Isaiah Winn had to say
he got asked. He was totally classy about you know, hey,
I'm looking forward to playing against those guys, but they
gave me my start. Like you know, I don't know
what I was expecting out of him. He didn't really
always seem to me like he wanted to be here,
but you know, he just took the high road. And
I generally like that. Nothing against j C. It is
what it is. I know that's how he is. That's
just the guy that he is. He wants to compete

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and you know, take things personally like that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:27):
To care less about what jac had to say, to
be honest with you. And I think that j C
is a classic case of when he gets cut by
the Chargers in a year, it's probably going to be
back here. And so you know, which is trying with me?
Like I think jay C. Jackson was a good a
good patriot. Was he a number one? Like put him
on Stefan Diggs. I think we learned No, he was.
He wasn't good.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
But playsides corner, yeah, and he is.

Speaker 5 (01:28:50):
He is a good playmaker at that position though, And
if you have so, I will.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Say so, you know, to answer the question, I do
think that, you know, the game planning and the scheming
is a big part of these players' success, keeping them
out of trouble, knowing their job, putting them in positions
to succeed, rather than you know, have them all over
the field. You know, I like last year is an exception.

(01:29:15):
You guys get hurt and some guys had to play
out of position. But for the most part, scheme is
a big part of keeping these guys safe.

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
Yeah. I would also say game plan yeah, because they
Jalen Mills talked about this a lot, and a bunch
of them have over the years that like the Patriots,
they're deep dives into these opponents when it's like third
and three. The Patriots know of the play because they've
studied them so well, they know what their tendencies are,
they know the couple of plays they probably choose from

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in this down and distance or this situation. And he
said that it's really Bill Will. Bill will come into
the room and be like, look, you know here a
third and six, like if they're in this formation, like
they're running this play like this is their bread and butter.
These are their five go to plays and third down
and those that goes a long long way of allowing

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these guys, by process of elimination, to have a nice
anticipatory step.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
And then translate that right to plays on the ball.
With jac Jackson, I mean, how many you know interceptions,
We talked about it all the time with him that
he just was usually in the right place. It wasn't
that you know, it was some crazy athletic jump through,
you know, grab the ball. It was he's right with
his guy, he's right where he needs to be in
the ball gets thrown right to him. I think, I mean,
I just think it all kind of connects together. And
that's again just the tie it up. Is why I'm

(01:30:30):
so excited about Gonzales because I feel like, you know,
it doesn't have a ton of ball, you know, production
on the ball, that kind of thing. But I just
think he's a like we call it a raw lump
of clay right now, with all the things you want,
He's definitely got the you know, if you can put
the mind, have to put the everything. Evan just tom system.
Is that brain into him, He's going to be awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
A lot of their coverage system is actually pretty simple.
Like when you talk to like high school and college coaches,
they'll tell you that it's it's really not like reinventing
the wheel or anything like that. But they they do
a great, great job of allowing their corner is to
play to their help, especially in the middle of the field,
and you know, playing off that leverage and that that's
a big, big part of what they do. Is all right,

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you have you know, post safety help and then you
have maybe a robber or rat the sticks and that's
your help defender. Maybe a linebacker is like kind of
a low hole player, and you're able to really just
bailed your entire technique off of the fact that you
have this support in the middle of the field, and
it goes a long way.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
I haven't heard that too, guys saying so many times,
or just I knew where my help was and it
allowed me to take a chance or to jump something
because they knew I had help over the top or
whatever it might be.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
You know. And getting back to what everyone was talking about,
the game planning and the deep dive that the Patriots
do on their opponent. It even like it gets down
to like Bill standing up in front of the room
and saying, Okay, so and so's offensive coordinates. This guy
he started at this college, they ran this they you know,
he learned under this guy. These are the tendencies these
are you know, like he'll do that, he'll do deep

(01:31:56):
dives on their coaches. Yeah, so, like you get an
idea of like who you're going up against as a coach. Uh,
and you know, and then you know, I've heard it
from so many players. How Bill just makes it easy
to understand. You know, he's just he's a great teacher.
He's able to just get it down to this is
what you need to know, This is all you need

(01:32:16):
to know. You know, just do your job.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
I saw Michael Lombardi, I think, wrote a thing today
with a little bit about Jim Brown and just talked
about when Bill got to Cleveland, the importance that the
history of Jim Brown and the franchise and everything, and
you know, using that, I know, when they played there
in Cleveland, what a couple of years ago that they
all stopped at the Jim Brown status.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Year last year they did it again.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
They're all, they're all in it. But you know, I
think it's it's just it's not only like the schematic
parts of it, you know, like all right, this is
the offensive, but just the appreciation of the history of
the game, and you know, the trends that are that
are coming, and you know, I just I I hope
he can get a little bit ahead of the curve
this year. It feels like we've been a little behind it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Yeah, let's say Sander says a longtime listener from Munich, Germany.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on Taekwon's roll next
season as a second round pick. I believe it's time
for him to step up. And also, will any of
you get the chance to travel to Germany with the
team this season? Yeah, I think we lost.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
Two of us.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Yeah, coming, I hope. So I got to go. I'm
ready to go.

Speaker 5 (01:33:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
We should be there in Frankfurt, though not in Munich,
and we'll be doing the show live from a pub
of choice.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Do we drink in that public choice?

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Well, we'll see a little loose. Yeah, it'll be six
in the evening there, a little different, you know, beating dinner. Yeah,
so yeah, we we're looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
As for Thornton, you know, just get him, get him
out on the field, let him you know, I just
want to see him out there consistently and you know,
he doesn't have to set anything on fire over the
next few weeks with OTAs or you know, if he
had a trainings and catch down the field, great, I'm
not going to be mad about it. But I just
want to see him out there and in the mix
and consistently working with the top offense. And if that's
the case for you know, pre training camp, I think

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he'll be in a good spot. Maybe he looks a
little thicker. That'd be nice, that'd be nice.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
I think from that one play it was home and
someone was trying to bring him down and he got hurt.
After that, he was just not the same.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
What was like he was like coming into like Wambocks somebody.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
It was like, what, Yeah, I'm really interested to see
how Bill O'Brien uses him, and I you know, we've
all kind of all this film. Junkie has gone back
a little bit and looked at like James and Williams
will Fuller even like with the Texans, and how he
uses that kind of speed and being able to scheme
him away from contact, whether it's bringing him in motion,
running him out of like a you know, a stack,

(01:34:39):
or a bunch of alignments where he's off the line
of scrimmage, playing him in the slot, like whatever you
can do to get him away from press coverage. You know,
his ceiling as a player is going to come down
to can he beat press coverage on the outside by himself.
If he can do that, then he's going to be
a thousand yard receiver and a great great Patriot. If
he can only do the things that are schemed for,

(01:35:00):
then he might not be that good. But at least
he'll be somebody that they can play and rely on
as a deep threat, and that's worth it as well.
So that's what I think the baseline to me is
that if Bill O'Brien can figure out ways to just
basically create foot races for him, so it's not about, oh,
I had to take my one hundred and eighty pounds
soaking wet and run through this physical corner and maybe

(01:35:20):
it's something that gives him a little bit of a
head start.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
How do you do that? How do you give Taekwon
space so that it is just a foot race and
then also make it so that Mac has the time
to get him. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
I mean there's a couple a bunch of different ways,
but I think that the two most common that you
see are either motion like Tyrak Hill, they use motion.
They just bring him across the formation and then he
comes out the other side running a route, so he's
not getting the ball on like a jet sweep, right,
he's running that motion, but then he's continuing up the
field on the route that that's like the Tyreek Hill. Uh,

(01:35:54):
Mike McDaniel, little thing that they do that that really
got hot all over the place.

Speaker 4 (01:35:58):
Last year.

Speaker 5 (01:35:59):
Once they started doing that in Miami, really in Week
one against the Patriots, it became contagious. The entire league
started putting that in. And then the other thing is
is with stacks and with bunches. So you put a guy,
you know, you put a point man in a stack,
it's a two man stack, and you put Devonte Parker
in front of him, and then you put Taekwon behind
Devontae Parker and it creates that natural rub that you

(01:36:21):
can't get hands on him right away because Devonte Parker
is standing.

Speaker 4 (01:36:24):
In your way.

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
So I think that those are the ways that you
can go about doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:36:28):
I'm sure there's a million other ways that they know
that I don't, but like, those are the simple ways
about doing it, and that's what you see a lot
with a lot of other just straight line, fast guys.
You know, I think Hill's kind of his own thing,
but even somebody like at Jamison Williams at Alabama, they
could play him in the slot. They play them out.
Why they play them in motion, They play them in
bunch formations and stacks. So just moving them around, getting

(01:36:52):
them away from contact, I think it can help you
no matter what like even if he's just taking the
top off and it's drawing coverage down the field to
open up space for other people, maybe the stats won't
necessarily be there, but the impact, Like when you watch
the Old All twenty two and I pull that up
and I can see, Okay, you know, two guys have
to go with Taekwon because the safety over the top

(01:37:13):
has to run with him otherwise he's gonna be open.
Then you know, those are the types of things that
open it up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Let's see Billy Wrights in that says is that his name?
I guess so he says he was original subscriber to
PFW back in nineteen ninety five. That's right, lived in
Jersey at the time. Also season ticket holder with a
couple of SOUTHI friends during the eighty seven to ninety
three years, a Badge of Honor years. Yeah, we're talking

(01:37:40):
about that. When I saw Rolling Stones in Van Halen,
Henry Paul, I guess was the band that opened. He
says they were the Leader of the Outlaw, So they
played a bunch of Outlaw songs. Saw them open for
Sticks in nineteen eighty at Rutgers Athletics Center. I thought
they were better than sticks not super optimistic on this season.
Six and eleven is my prediction. My favorite of those

(01:38:02):
season tickets. Okay, then he goes back to the season tickets.
I thought he was going to talk about this year's team.

Speaker 5 (01:38:08):
Six and eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Yeah, but I guess he had a lot of good
times back then. According to this email, Moonshine clam.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Bakes for the for the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Oh yeah, back the back then.

Speaker 5 (01:38:20):
You know, some of the tailgates are pretty crazy. Like
you walk through the parking lot on a game day
into the stadium and you're like, wow, you guys really
went you know, got smokers out there, like whatever I
tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Like when I was, you know, in California and if
i'd fly back once a year for a game like beef,
but I had as much as much about the tailgate
and like the pre and you know, in the game,
it's like your tense and you know you don't really
enjoy it all that much until it's over. But I
don't know, it's just that that was what I think
I missed most about it all, is like we obviously
get our fat I still I.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Don't understand the people who just get so blackout drunk.
I don't you don't even remember the game. No, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
That was me in twenty fourteen in San Diego and
there were two guys sitting next to me and I
where to god, it's fourth quarter, good game. I mean,
that was a great game for Patriots and they are
just still loading up. I mean I couldn't. I couldn't.
There's a game going on. You even't even known. I
don't know if they would have remembered it, but no,
I was always said, get after it to the tailgate
and then get into the stadium and let it ride
and you just watch the game, you know, like that's.

Speaker 5 (01:39:17):
Thirteen against Denver, the comeback here. Yeah. It was my
twenty first birthday and my my uncle is the one
that always took me to Patriots games. His whole group
has season tickets and they have one friend and it's like,
you know, you don't go drink for drink with this
one friend because the guy's a tank, right And I here,
I was like coming back from college for Christmas break,
and I thought that I was, you know, tough. Too

(01:39:39):
many Irish car bombs.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
And I don't I come back as far as you
know that I.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
Remember like bits and pieces, But I think it's more
because I've seen the game like on you know, highlights
and stuff since, and it was me actually remembering that
in the moment, and that that was pretty much like
the last time I was a fan, Like that was
like one of the last times that I could you know,
I went right into reporting on football after that, so
it was one of the last times that I was
like a true fan.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
Yeah, I don't know if I once I I'm done here,
if I'll go to football games. I'm not sure. Small Yeah,
I think it would.

Speaker 5 (01:40:14):
It would be fun to go to a Patriots game
and and tailgate and like do the whole because I
grew up doing that, so it would that would be
fun to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
You do not have to write something about the game.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
I mean, I don't know if I told you ever,
but I used to have season tickets at you know,
end of eighties, early nineties, and we had four tickets
for five of us yea, and the team got so
bad that we would argue each week whose turn it
was not to go. Oh no, no, I went last week.
Yeah I don't. I don't need to go.

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
You know, I was never a problem in mind.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Yeah, yeah, I was. You know, I was at that
preseason game where Tippet got hurt or the pet got hurt,
Garon Varis got hurt. They carried them all off the
field and I think they won one game that year.
It was just awful, those ones, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:01):
As that video I did in high school though, which
was the ninety one Patriots. Then we shot a video
at the tailgate. But it's the same thing. There's there's bands,
there's just people having a great time. And this is
like a one or two win oh yeah season, it
didn't really matter. And now it's like you have expectations.

Speaker 5 (01:41:15):
Yeah, back in the day too. You know, my uncle
is older now, so they don't quite do it as
as But one o'clock kickoff, we were there eight eight thirty,
like you know, and we'd have breakfast and lunch like
they would make like the breakfast sandwiches on the grill and.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
Then we'd fire out.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
Okay, now it's lunch.

Speaker 5 (01:41:32):
Yeah yeah, I fire up the girl a couple hours later,
right before we went into the stadium and have burgers
and dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
I wonder how the Bill's new stadium will affect their tailgating,
you know, they're building it in the same property, as
you know. I wonder if, like you know, the prices
will go up and it'll refine it. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:41:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Hopefully the love room for tables to light on fire,
hope jump through. Yeah, it's similar that I feel this
way about the old Draft too. Like the old Draft
I used to love of, like the weekend, Saturday, all day, Sunday,
all day, same thing, breakfast, lunch, dinner, sitting in front
of the TV, watching the draft all day. It's awesome.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
It's all different now mixed.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
I miss Reckedperhead. It's so funny when games are going on,
like during the show and you're like, oh my god, that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:15):
Could be a little James Robins knee.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
He just he always just ran like he was shot
out of a cannon, like he just it's just no fear,
like just boom.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Clay I writes in Hello everyone, Hello Marine, Hello class.
Hope all is good with you, guys. I was just
curious if you think that Johnny Lumpkin works out, there's
a good chance they released Scotty Washington. Do you believe
they made any tight ends?

Speaker 10 (01:42:40):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Have any tight ends? And during that player carousel that
they have a trainer.

Speaker 5 (01:42:45):
Scotty deep dive Scotty Washington was was on the practice
squad last year, so he wasn't on the fifty three.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
But Lumpkin's got his work.

Speaker 5 (01:42:53):
I don't I don't mind. Lumpkin block guy, somebody that
can actually block. Is Is he the best locking tight
end on the roster?

Speaker 3 (01:43:01):
Maybe?

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
Body type wise? Yeah, like I you know, we'll see
what his technique looks like. But two hundred and sixty
five pounds I've made the comparison to. Of course, now
I'm blaming on the name the guy from Alabama, Michael Williams.
You know he's he's built exactly like Michael Williams uh
sixty six sixty seven, two sixty five. Basically like a

(01:43:23):
slim down tackle. Hey, he can't catch the ball, well,
he can catch it, but he's not gonna be an
impact player in the passing game at all. But look,
when it's third and one and you need a yard
and you're gonna you want to try to to run
it down somebody's throat. Is is Mike Sicky gonna blow
somebody off the ball. Probably not, But Lumpkin is Johnny
lumpkin might there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
It can't be a real name.

Speaker 5 (01:43:47):
I could see him making it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
I could, Hey, if you have a certain set of skills.

Speaker 5 (01:43:51):
I think it's maybe more like a little Jordan situation
where he's on the practice squad and he's a game
day elevation in like certain packages, the.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Game planned packages back around.

Speaker 5 (01:44:00):
But I think he's got a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
We'll see uh.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Brian in Rhode Island quick over under game for the
twenty twenty three season, Christian Gonzales interceptions two and A.

Speaker 3 (01:44:12):
Hey, I'm gonna say over, But I don't think he's
a bit I don't know. I have to see it. Yeah,
I don't. I don't blame Evan for going under. I
think that's uh, you know, that's a lot to ask
of him, especially like who's he going to be going
up against? The people people have be thrown at him. Probably,
so maybe he'll have a chance.

Speaker 5 (01:44:29):
But he could have a more than I anticipate, say
three or four, but.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
I don't think. I don't think more than five. I
would be surprised.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
He just strikes me. He's a shadow corner, like he's
a guy that's just gonna take his guy out like
you're not gonna throw.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
That's that's the hope. Yeah, Matt Jones touchdowns twenty two
and a hey.

Speaker 5 (01:44:47):
Better be over.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
I hope the over Haven's got him a thirty I think.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Yeah, But no PF thirty in today's game, that's not
like huge like I would. I hope he gets thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
I mean that's you know, I don't want to say that,
that's like the bar of where.

Speaker 5 (01:45:04):
He don't know if he gets. If he gets thirty,
then we're talking about him getting forty in terms of
the contract like next year. Like you know, thirty is
a lot of touchdowns for a guy that went from
what was he in the teens, like twelve or something
like that last year. That's that's a big, big uptick.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Stevenson catches forty and a hay.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
Undert I'm gonna go under with Evan on that one,
I think. I mean, I just I hope that they
break it up a little bit and take them off
his plate, don't don't. I mean, it's great he's a
threat to catch the ball, but I don't need him
to be Who was more of.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
A chance of making an impact here this year, Montgomery
or Robinson.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
I'll just say Montgomery because he was here.

Speaker 5 (01:45:43):
Eavan Fears was really bullish on time Montgomery on the
Six Rings podcast. He said that that's the third down back,
like if he's healthy and he's and he's you know,
in good shape and everything, that he was the guy
last summer that they they had big plans I think
for him until he got her in the year. And
I would think that'd be great for Remandre. Like, I

(01:46:04):
think it really started to show in the last half
of the season how dependent the offense was on Remandre
making something happen. And I think that'd be huge yep
yep uh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
And finally Thornton catches fifty and a hey, fifty under under.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
But I mean I think i'd be I'd be thrilled
if he got like forty.

Speaker 5 (01:46:25):
I mean, if it gets like thirty five at like
eighteen yards per catch, then I think that that's that's
enough to say that he's a threat in that that
deep you don't do that with him.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
And then Juju, I think Juju would be the volume guy.
You know, I think that that's the one that's you.

Speaker 5 (01:46:39):
Know, Jiju might catch a hundred if he is healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
All Right, I'll throw one in here. Celtics points tonight,
don't let them win tonight over under one seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
I'm gonna go under on that one. Fred with my
Celtics savvy.

Speaker 5 (01:46:54):
Don't don't let them win tonight, that's what they're all saying.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
And don't let them win tonight, and then they're gonna
do something thing that no one in the NBA has
ever done before.

Speaker 5 (01:47:02):
So we were talking, we were was this on the
air off there, We're talking about the four socks. But yeah,
So the thing is is, like Kevin Malar said, don't
let us win tonight because tomorrow night we have Pedro
going and then the next night we have Shilling going.
So the Red Sox knew that they had the pitching
advantage if they had just they just had to win
Game four and then they could have the The Celtics

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don't have a pitching advantage equivalent because they can't they.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Don't even have a home right home court.

Speaker 5 (01:47:27):
So that's what I was saying, like, if we.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Win this game, then we're gonna use Robert Williams correctly
for the rest of the series.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
But if they win tonight in all seriousness and they
really home court mattered, like they weren't four and five
at the Garden, they actually won home court. Then they
would be going back to Game six against Miami, and
then at that point the pressures on the heat and
you do never know, and then Game seven would be
back here. But the home court doesn't matter. So winning
tonight really doesn't get you anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Yeah, I mean, the fact that the Celtics are down
three to zero and the Lakers got swept tells you
the NBA ain't fixed, you know, because it was fixed,
it would be Celtics Lakers.

Speaker 5 (01:48:06):
Yeah, you know, there's a you know a little bit
of that going on obviously with the NHL too, Like
the Pants it's probably gonna be Panthers Vegas. And it's
just not you know, it's not an Original six matchup.
It's no Connor McDavid, Like, it's just really not a
matchup that And both teams play great hockey like they
play they're great teams and they play the sport the

(01:48:27):
right way. But this is gonna be one of the
least watched Stanley Cup in NBA finals.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Red Sox, Yeah, let's see Aaron is in Nashville. Any
plans to go live full time video and YouTube instead
of just Thursdays. I like being able to watch and
I can pause and go back in the stream if
I need to for any reason. There are talks about it. Yeah,

(01:48:55):
it's just a bad matter of manpower. But I think
if we can get the crew together, we might go
full time video.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
For three shows and during yeah, all the time video.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Just make the commitment.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
People have spoken they want more.

Speaker 5 (01:49:09):
Yeah, I guess our roster watch video. I keep I
keep looking. It's up to eleven K. Now, thank you
for everybody for watching that. But cutting edge stuff, that's
what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
Right, Yeah, but we need over one hundred k. That's
what we're looking for.

Speaker 5 (01:49:24):
It's Dallas Cowboys numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Yeah, but you know we should be able to do that,
I think.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
Yeah, Dak Piston Porter k.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Yeah, I mean whatever they do turns the goals. It's
unbeltlet it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Cowboys fans are easy, easy sell. I think our fans
a little more discerning.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
You know, speaking of like making money. Just the cowboys
and that's why you know Jerry Jones, like he comes
from oil, you know, that's where he comes from. So
but like it's every last dollar for him too. I
mean you know, Uh, it's it's just it's just never enough.
And so like he's this big proponent of the Thursday
game and the flexing and all that stuff, and I

(01:50:02):
just don't get it. I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
It's such a heavyweight. I mean, I can't believe what
you said about him having a piece of concessions yeah raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Well also he owns the concessions of the Yankees Yankee Stadium.
He owns Legends, which is a concession company. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Yeah, well he's doing it right. I mean it's funny
because in some ways I feel like, as a you know,
a football player, I would I don't want to impressed
like it just a guy who was like, made a
lot of money outside of football, and you know he
loves football. But I don't know there's something about that
for me as somebody who's like, Wow, this guy is successful.
He's really made it work in this world. And then
you know, like you said, with the Davis, it's like,

(01:50:36):
well they owned the team, but what have they done?

Speaker 5 (01:50:39):
Like, you know, I don't know what the Cowboys done.
Right when a super century.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Well, okay, we're gonna wrap up a little early today. Yeah,
you know, I think it's time to go. I hope
people catch up with the part of the show that
we were off air afterwards.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
Perhaps one of the questions just to up before you
wrap up. It's just Thursday. We don't know what time
practice is going to be, per I think maybe in
the morning, so I don't know if that might affect
the showtime or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
If we'll well practice in the morning, that's perfect. Yeah,
and then you come off the field and we talk
about it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:51:10):
I think the practice is tentatively eleven thirty. Oh, starting
at eleven thirty, stay said.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
Okay, so then maybe we'll move the show till, you know,
to two o'clock and then everything will domino effect, you know,
because there's no sense doing a show while they're practicing. Now,
we gotta be out there because we got to be
out there, all right. But well, we'll give you an update.
Stay tuned at patriots dot com and social. We'll let
you know what's going on when we know what's going on.
Until then, thanks for listening. We will talk to you

(01:51:38):
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