Patriots Unfiltered 5/25: OTAs Preview, Setting Expectations for Summer Practices, State of the Patriots

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
The World's a big podcasts.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Well, I wonder how New Raiders
partial owner Tom Brady will feel.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Is that is that happening or is that just still?

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Oh no, I think it was confirmed. Got past this.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I don't. I don't care for that. I don't play
for Robert crappt If you're listening, you gotta swoop in
and stop this and make him part of our two.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
But I don't think this cannot stand.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
This is not a.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Cannot stand one of Evan's simulators.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
No, so he simulates the season for the Patriots. This
is crap, Like, what are you talking? This is not
gonna happen like this. Why why are we even giving
this a time of day if that's what it's going
to simulate? Like, No, No, this thing is crap.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
It's crap. Whatever I'm gonna do it?

Speaker 5 (01:01):
Oh oh, they did a whole show on it, him
and uh an intern Mike Catholic, they did an entire show.
And Whether and Whether is another thing that Bart and
I always argue. I'm just wait till you get a
girl from alex all right, dressing up when she says
to dress up, you dress up, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
This is Patriots Unfiltered, fueled by Dunky.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
All Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
at Jills Stadium, and we didn't expect to be here
at this time.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Was supposed to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, we thought we were going to be here too,
after having witnessed our first ot A practice. But Patriots
were bad. They pitched, they broke the rules again, and
uh yeah, so that's the big news this morning. Patriots
have been docked two ot A practices for violating rules.
Apparently they posted the time of a special teams practice

(01:57):
and you're not allowed to do that because it may
it mandatory or something. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Somebody felt pressured, that's right the way you just said it.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Yeah, I think the fact that it was listed on
the schedule, yeah, made it appear mandatory and not voluntary. Right,
seems a little silly to me.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
So you can't have a schedule during OTAs because that
would imply that you have to do something.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
It's just kind of not not hey show up on
the field. At too, Just so you guys know we're
going to get together after work today and have a drink.
But I'm not going to send out an email because
then there would be a paper trail, right, and we
could get in trouble.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
For I mean it, calendar.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
If I send an email, it makes you think that
you have to be there for the drink. Yeah, I
don't know. I like, can you just have a header
on everything that says these are all optional.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Right, you know, legal disclaimer.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's kind of like you know when we write our stories, right, Yeah,
so less practice seven hours now means four hours. Everybody's
behind and your preseason prediction now is out the window
because now we're behind two practices. So if whatever how
many wins you had the Patriots, you have to take
one off because we're gonna be that far behind. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, I'm annoyed.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
Same.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
I feel bad. I look and I say at the
top like it seems like a clerical error, and it
does seem kind of dumb and and all that. But
at the same time, I just like, I don't this
is not what I want right now. Like, I just
this team missed the playoffs last year. We know how
it's ended, uh, you know, the last couple of years.
But it's just it's not what you want right now.
And I'm sure that they're pissed about it. I mean,
I'm sure, you know, not somewhat to losing the practices,

(03:32):
but just you know, for the for what it was,
and you know, maybe more of a miscommunication, I don't know,
but overall, just not what they need right now. And
I'm also frustrated because I wanted to sit out there
and watch some football today and here we are.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
So and we should point out that the that was
Mike Florial report for Pro Football Talk. He's the one
that is yeah, I pulled it up here. I don't
know came up with the with the wording about the yeah,
but the posting of the yeah, go ahead, Mike.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
You had it, just, says a source with knowledge of
the situation. It was a meeting violation. According to the source,
an observer from the NFL Players Association believed that one
of the optional early season meetings was a violation because
the fifteen minute meeting in question, a special team session,
was made visible on the internal schedule. In the opinion
of the NFLPA, placing the meeting on the formal schedule

(04:18):
converted it from optional to mandatory.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
And just so you know, I want to like the
last part of that line, the NFLPA deemed it x right,
So this is not one of the long lines of
you know, my god, like they just hate the patron
of the NFLPA.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I wonder if you're their own players that I wonder
if there's.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
An appeal process.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I wonder that too, you know, I mean, can we
get them back? But I also wonder is this a
player being a pain in the ass? And is this
more signs of the guys being like I don't want
to do it this way anymore?

Speaker 6 (04:53):
Like that?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
That worries me too, I have the same could be
but the use of the word observer versus rep would
tell you that it's the third party. But I don't know,
it could be just protecting the player.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
I mean, could it be any technically any player in
the nfl PA. Could they I mean, could you technically
be that person?

Speaker 6 (05:11):
Well?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I don't know, but they have like team reps. You know,
they call him the locker room lawyers. You know, sometimes
your team rep is a real pain in the ass,
and sometimes he's not, you know, So.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah, I mean it's if Florida's report is accurate, and
I have no reason to believe it's not. It seems
silly to me to lose two practices over writing down
that a meeting was to happen instead of just telling
everybody a meeting was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
But even they made it visible on the schedules, So
what about all the other things on the schedule, They're
just not.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
I'd like some.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
You just show have a schedule.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
So what like if it said lift, like you know, yeah,
it says lyft on the schedule. I mean, I assume
there's guys lifting.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I mean, I just don't know how it all works.
So yeah, it can. It can seem ridiculous right outside.
Maybe it's not ridiculous, but it is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
I think it's ridiculous. Yeah, But like I said, I
agree with Mike. And the one concern I would have,
and I don't know if it's true, is just if
a player, you know, because that you know, and it's
I'm not even gonna call him a rat. It's just
I'm gonna be concerned about it because it would be
an example or another illustration that not everybody is on

(06:28):
the same page, right, It's not even like I'm not
blaming anybody, you know, I'm not trying to do the
whistleblower thing like whatever. If it was something they're not
supposed to do when someone had a problem with it,
I'm not mad at the person who had a problem
with it. Well, it's just another indication that it's not
every you know, not everybody is on the same page.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
And if it's a player, if that's what happened, right,
If if it's a player, probably this isn't the first
thing he saw, because the first time you'd be like, oh, okay,
maybe you mentioned it to your position, coach, Hey, we're
not supposed to be doing this. But now when you
elevate it to this point, it's like, well, you know,

(07:06):
they're not listening to me, you know, like I I
can't see a player the first time they see something
elevating it to this level, you know. So either it's
I don't know, we shouldn't speculate.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Anyway, that's yeah, we'll just let's just deal with what
we know. They lost two OTAs and wet the chance,
and one of them was today when we were supposed
to be able to watch that.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
That's to me, I'm looking at it selfishly. We lost
our chance to see these guys out there.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So now it'll be next Wednesday and the following Tuesday,
and then then he camp will be the next Monday Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
We lost the opportunity to say that Malik Cunningham is
the next best thing going.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
And more importantly, we lost an opportunity to see Evan's
head fall explode shoulders.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Right, you know, it's exploding over this whole thing. Honestly,
I I'm a little fired up about it because I
got to be honest, I think this is ridiculous. I
think this is absolutely ridiculous that the league took away
two practices for a meeting being on a schedule in
the middle of the off season, which it's all voluntary

(08:07):
in across the league. It's all voluntary.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Why can't you have it?

Speaker 5 (08:11):
So as long as everybody's here, right, and it's a
fifteen minute meeting. This isn't like they sat down for
six hours and we're coming through film and you had
to be here for it or something like that. And
on top of all of that, what I hated most
about it is that this is a judgment call when
you turn on practice footage from OTAs and people are

(08:32):
tackling people to the ground. There's no judgment call. There's
too much contact in the practice, right, This is a
judgment call in the nflpa's part that they believe that
this could be perceived as mandatory.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Give me a break asking some players, did you think
there was this mandatory No, okay.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Perceived as mandatory and we're just supposed to take your
word for that that they know terrible, terrible.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Terrible, these things terrible.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Either will allow OTAs and their thing and they're voluntary,
Well don't right, Like I think it's ridiculous that Dallas
in Baltimore, just a couple that pop off top of
my head, have lost some of these practices in the past.
I think Seattle too, like she had lots of draft
to Hay's point, Like I've been at a million of
these spring practices. There are guys getting knocked off the

(09:21):
off their feet all the time. Like what was Baltimore
doing that was any worse than what Cincinnati was doing?
Like I don't know, like either allow it or don't
allow it? Yeah, I mean then they're not in pads.
You can't be in pads. So I get that, But otherwise,
if you're in shorts and T shirts, just let them at.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
Least if they're if there's contact, If it happens at
practice and there's contact or they're doing something that it
goes over the line in terms of what spring practices
are meant to be. Oklahoma drill sure. And that's one thing.

Speaker 7 (09:52):
This is a.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
It's a clerical error. And they took away two practices
because of the perception that a meeting could be mandatory.
And I was talking to Deuce about this earlier. It
was like when you were, you know, playing sports growing up,
and they had captain's practices and you were invited to
captain's practices. Were they mandatory?

Speaker 8 (10:14):
No?

Speaker 5 (10:14):
No, If you wanted to be on the team and
be a and contribute to the team, you got your
butt to captain's practices, even if it was like in
the middle of the summer or it was you know,
and I played lacrosse, they were in like January and February,
well before the season started. You went to captain's practices.
That's what you did. This is what OTA's is, and
that's what these types of things are. And so yeah,

(10:37):
if you're you know, a special teamer or a depth
guy that's trying to fight for a fifty three man
roster spot. You're gonna be here. If you're Tom Brady,
maybe you're not here all the time. Like that's that's
how these things go. And I just think it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I just I just thought it was interesting. And I
know that all the other violations were mostly contact, but
there were a lot of findes going. I wrote them
down of you know, Dallas two years in a row,
one hundred k for the coach, you know two years ago,
fifty k to the coach, one hundred k to the organization,
San Francisco, fifty k to the coach, one hundred for
content contact ot so that that was what was initially
just interesting to me was there wasn't an immediate report

(11:12):
of fine like that they just lost a practice.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
I wonder if there is fine, I'd expected it to be. Yeah,
that's what I guess is it's like on paper, like
you you get doctor and ot A and that leads
to X fine. Yeah, that would be my guest, and
we probably won't know about it because they'll bury that.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I mean, I based on what it is, though, I
would I think they'd expect at least a fifty k
to be be in one hundred k to the organization.
I would think, I mean, that's what the kind of
going rate is.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
If you see something, but I could also see it
being less for you know, you know, something on the
schedule as opposed to contact.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Right, lost one ye teacher only lost one.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Remember the safety a couple of years ago. I think
his name was Rashad Baker. We used to call it Indian.
I used to call him a S. Baker, the touchdown
man on the Patriots. Yeah, he never made the team,
but he was in one of these in camps. He
got me. He was laying dudes out everywhere. I mean
he just every every guy that caught a pass ended
up on the ground, tackled, no pads, yeah, nothing, you know,

(12:09):
And for all I know, was even before the most
recent like you know me for it could have been
like oh nine, right about yesterday's I don't know when
it was, but he was I remember Fred we were
talking about him, and we also had we were like,
I don't know what constituence contact that practice, but that's it.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
We also had the offensive lineman who.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
They complained Yeah, yeah, one year I do remember that too.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I forget which one complained, and I think he was
married to somebody internally for a little bit and they
got divorced.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Okay, so yeah, okay, yeah, now I know who you're
talking about at least, right. Yeah, I don't know if
you I don't know if that's it, but I think
that was it. I'll explain his short ten years Patriots.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, all right, eight five to five PATS five hundred
is the ace ticket hotline, web radio at Patriots dot
com is the email address deduce you got something to say, Well, we.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Got a report of another signing my favorite Anthony, my
favorite names in the whole NFL to say, you can
say without opening your mouth, ye tight end uh yeah,
a little uh.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
I can't do that thought. Evan and I were on
the same page of a little bit.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
He's played h back, a little bit, a little full back,
he's done some of that stuff. So I don't know
he could have a chance. I mean, there's just no
experience behind those top gets SICKI and uh and Hunter Henry,
you know, Scottie Washington socle like. I think they've played
nine games combined, So I mean he's he's played some games,
most notably player.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Do you think just an opportunity signing or do you
think maybe he can help.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
I think he's kind of unique. I mean, at least
of what they have, and I don't think they have
great experience and depth at tight end. I mean it's
I think things get pretty thin if you lose Hunter Henry,
which I mean he hasn't you know, been the most
you know, healthy guy over the last you know, over
the course of his career. But I don't know. I
think just a good solid depth signing. They need nothing crazy,
they needed a tight end, but somebody who can go
out there and play it. And the NFL where are

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we in terms of numbers on the run. I'll have
to get rid of somebody because I mean until d.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Max that'll be one.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
So once that gets then, but so they'll probably have
to release somebody today, I would guess to make that
move official.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Now, do you think it'll be you know I left
plane to who will get released? It will be someone
of somewhat significance like the last one.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, it'll be the guy who just it'll be the
guy who reported the schedule.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Just brings it full.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Yeah, we're not supposed to be doing.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Slate's probably the one that posted it.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Chris, Chris board Bill would like to see you.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, the greatest.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
You can't find he said, he can't find a weakness
in the player.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
I guess we found the week now.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
I'm just kidding, that's not we don't know for sure.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
I would have some choice words for the whistleblower.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
This guy feeling careful, not afraid to violate.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
You can't have retaliation.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
I'm feeling fresh.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I'm feeling like I have to be there.

Speaker 9 (14:52):
Did you.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
The only one that did the course?

Speaker 4 (14:56):
A baby? What a baby? I'm doing the baby voice?
Poor thing? You have to go to a fifteen minute meeting,
and they if that's if there was any element of that,
I would agree with evident Mike, I think that's troubling.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, I'm hopeful it's a review. I'm hopeful it's an
nfl P A review, like Fred said of and they
had a documentation, saw the screen and someone's like, what
is well they have those screens in the locker room
because well, if they're looking at the schedule, right, but
what is on there?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
That's okay.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
I don't think there's a person that comes to every
place they just they watch videos, do a little audits.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's just what I don't get though.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
If it is like they are reviewing the scheduled, then
what's on the schedule, like be like a fifteen minute
special teams but that's in a violation, like what could
be on the schedule, then it's not.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's on the schedule of an optional day.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
The whole that's my point.

Speaker 5 (15:46):
The whole day is optional, right, is optional?

Speaker 2 (15:51):
The whole thing optional?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
So like, you know, how did the whole thing become optional?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Right?

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Like Stefan Diggs is not at Bill's OTAs is not
there because it's optional.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
The only thing that was maybe the special teams meeting
was on a day that wasn't a scheduled O T A.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I don't know, because how can anything be on the schedule,
Like right, it says eat lunch.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
I feel pressured, like in parentheses next to every single
thing on this optional optional option, optional only if you
want to eat today?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Optional?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Oh boy? All right, well stop yeah? Otherwise, uh, I
know your guy yesterday was on a rant about Aaron
Rodgers he strained his calf and yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
And optional. I didn't I didn't hear.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
It, but it was funny. It is funny. It is
like classic Aaron Rodgers, though in explaining what happened, he
kind of threw his trainers under the bus. Yeah, they
had us doing this thing on a ball, you know,
and I heard it while I was you know, it's
like the thing you made me do hurt me, right,
you made me not that I haven't been like just

(17:05):
doing nothing all off season, and you know you made
me work.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, that's what did it.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
So that anyway, that's hopefully awfully that continues for.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
The If you had to place odds for working or
not working, and like when I say working, I'm not
saying they win the super Bowl it works anyway. I
would say, no, they win games, they were winning, they
have a winning record, and they're in the playoffs, either
in the playoffs or in playoff contention.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Then then it worked.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
It worked. What do you think the odds are, I'd
say I think it works. I'd say eight to one
it works.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
I say fifty to fifty. I mean, I could see
it go one either way.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
I'm close on it, but I think it will. I
just I got to be honest. I had a lot
of respect for the team that they put together at him,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
I don't necessarily have all but here as much for
the quarterback who I should have.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Here's the thing, based on his skills set, they have.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Enough talent where all he has to be is good
and they're a hell of a lot better than they
were last year.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
That is true, you know, really that he doesn't have
to be if he played like Matt Jones did his
rookie year, which to me would be a colossal disappointment
for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
But if he played just that well, they should winner, right,
I mean with Brees Hall that's coming back.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
You know, what they need out of him isn't prime
Aaron Rodgers. They just needed to be good and competent,
and they'll be a hell of a lot, you know.
That's why.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
That's why I think it's I think it fails miserably.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I helped you, right.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I like to scratch under the surface.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
I can tell when he's quiet.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
Why Why Because I think it will work great for
the first month of the season. Then I truly think
that he's kind of washed. And I think that the
whole operation that they have running over there on offense
is shaky at best. From a coaching standpoint. I mean,
they got Nathaniel Hackett running their offense, and something tells

(18:55):
me that that's gonna The league will figure out what
they did in the first month of the season in
and I don't know if they're.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Going to have a plan B.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Maybe I just think they gotta I'm not saying they're
going to be a disaster, like they're gonna go six
and eleven or something like that, but I think relative
to expectations, it ends up being a failure.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I think now if you ask me, what are the
odds that he gets injured or then, I think that's
higher than normal.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
Because the second that he feels like it's not going well, yeah,
that's it. Yeah, because he's one of those guys that
just he quits. He quits like the second that it's
not perfect, he's going to be like no special media.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
In New York throwing gas on those flames, and they
can't wait to make that happen.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Right, yeah, all right, And then I guess we have
to mention good luck to the Celtics tonight. Yeah, that's huge.
Don't let them get too don't let them get too
I mean, it's so funny how people have turned though.
They went from these dogs to it.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
I'm just gonna let you know I'm going to I'm
going to defend a lot of Celtics fans here. There
wasn't a lot of changing. I can't tell you how
many people on my Twitter feed.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
They're the better team. They can win for in a row.
They're the better team after.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
That three after that game, yes, perform. I don't know
who is on his Twitter feed. I don't like he
always has like people.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
I was already doing.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Everything.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
I am too, but I don't know that's because you
have a rational bone in your body. But I'll tell
you who's on my feet. And I've talked to you
about this before, and you guys haven't really seemed to
be able to figure this out. I don't know where
all these people came from. I don't know who they are.
And I don't know the new Twitter algorithm.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
This is not new, This is not algorithm. No, Mike
knows a lot of the same people. You mentioned, one
of them that I do not follow, who is on
my timeline, and you took a rocket shot at them Tuesday.
I don't know how he got He's one of them,
that Dan Kelly guy is one of them. I don't
know how these people got to get on my my timeline.

(20:59):
I don't don't know who they are, and I'm not
trying to make fun of anybody. I just don't know
how I got these perpetual pomp pom waivers on my
timeline that I don't follow.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
But the majority of people after that said it's over.
It's over.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
It's not as yeah, I mean, I think it's like
fifty to fifty. I think there's a lot of people
who think that they better now now they tonight, they
should just blow the whole team up.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
This is a lay up tonight, win tonight.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Why do you think it's a layout?

Speaker 4 (21:31):
If they're as good as you say that there, if
they're a nine point favorite in a game tonight and they.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
Lose the Vegas line like they're gonna lose again at.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Home, I know, but the Vegas line has been wrong
all the way through. It's been wrong. Everybody's been wrong.
You know, they're not looking at what's going on. I
don't think this is a layup tonight, Are you kidding?

Speaker 4 (21:51):
This is not The team's missing like the third best
player and you're at home and you can't win that game,
I get rid of all of them. I keep to
them and get rid of everybody else. If they lose
this game tonight. Yeah, I'm emotional like that, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I think that you have to make severe moves even
if they win.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
You know, even if they had an win this series,
what are you gonna do. Everybody's gonna make it out
to be a miracle.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
I just don't let them win tonight.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Well, they're going to win tonight.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
If they win tonight, I'm not calling it the series
at three one. I'm not calling that they they avoided
the embarrassment of getting swept. Good for you, But this team,
I know for a fact that they could easily look
at it and say, well, at least we didn't get swept, right, Like,
you know, I.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Rule nothing out. You're right, I rule nothing out with them.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
At least, you know that thirty point blow out in
Game three was they didn't want to go down like that.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Good for them.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
They won Game four, But I could definitely see the
Celtics coming out tonight and being like, well, we just
really didn't want to like get embarrassed and get swept.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
But regardless guy would play if they if they needed to.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Yeah, but if the Celtics win tonight, now now we're
cooking with gas. Now it's a real series because Miami
Game six, that's you don't want to play Game seven
in the Garden. Like the Celtics they played don't play
great at home to begin with, But Game seven at
the Garden with this Cord have been blowout. So I
mean Milwaukee Game seven last year, Philly Game seven this year.

(23:19):
We're talking like twenty five point massacres by the Celtics
and home game sevens in their history together.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
So losing Game seven, they would game six. I just
I think I think they're so mentally weak. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Things that we've seen during I think that's are things
that we saw during the season when they played better teams.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Right, No, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
There's nothing to do with the it's nothing to do
with the calibers. It's all about them. Yeah, Well, which
isn't all that great. There's only like ten teams in
the league.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
I think the one the one thing that have the
Celtics have going for them about coming back in this
series is that a lot of the heat role players
not Jimmy Butler, not bam Adebayo. A lot of the
heat role players have been shooting out of their mind
from three in the playoffs, and if they finally come
back to normal and some of those guys regrets that
won game four, right, and if that continues, if the

(24:16):
you know, Gay Vinton's not playing tonight, if the if
the Strausses, if the Caleb Martins, if the Kyle Lowrys,
the Kevin Loves, if those guys all of a sudden
start chucking up a bunch of bricks, then yeah, then
then then your back endt.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
The Celtics still have to put the defensive effort in
that they put in.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Yeah, I'm this is it shots. But because the hole
they had smart they played. Grant Williams, Derek White and
Al Horford made eighteen threes the other.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Day for the Celtics.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Caleb Martin, they all missed, Gabe Vincent, Max Struss and
what's the Williams kid uh Duncan Robinson. Yeah combined for
four No. No, but that's the difference in the game.
But the difference those guys are wide open. They've been
missing all. I think the Celtic Al Horford hasn't had
a guy near him on a three point all series

(25:08):
last game. He decided to Williams the better defense last
game traffic.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
How many trips down the floor? I think there were
like six consecutive trips down the floor where Miami went
hated and didn't score. And it was because they turned
And it wasn't because they were taken outside shots and
missing them.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
They were turning the ball over.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
No, no, they weren't. They were missing nothing. Run was
all they will.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
They were going in and it was a contested shot
down low and they were missing. Patriots were getting the
Patriots I keep saying the page. The Celtics were getting
the rebound and at that time the Celtics weren't hitting either.
But there were like six consecutive trips where it was
contested shot down load. The miss were hitting and the
Celtics got. Celtics got there, went on an eighteen o
run in the third quarter. Eventually they broke it open.

(25:56):
Talked about when it was still tight, they weren't turned.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
That's when it was tight, they will.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
The Celtics were losing at the time of that eighteen
oh run.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, I nine, the Celtics played much better defense.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Sure if that makes you feel better. Great.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
It's all about being wide open and making a shot.
The Celtics made them eighteen of them that the heat
made for them. I'm not talking about Jason Tatum and
Jimmy Butler. Those guys get defended. Max Troups doesn't get defended.
It's all about whether or not he makes the shot.
Marcus Smart doesn't get defended. It's all about whether he
makes it or not. The first three games, the Celtics

(26:30):
missed all of those, yep, and the heat made them all.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Yeah, the heats whole offense is the defense reacting to
Jimmy Butler with the ball right. So either he's going
to score on his own or he's going to kick
the ball out because the whole defense's collapse on him.
In the pain when that defense collapses, Struce Duncan rock
like all these guys have been just draining threes all
playoff long. They've been shooting like forty six percent from

(26:55):
three in the playoffs, and they were thirty I think
thirty three or thirty four percent regular season shooting team, and.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
They shot twenty five the other night.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
So if they regress back to what they were in
the regular season, for three more games the win, Celtics
will win the series, but if they continue to be hot,
then they won't. And not having gave Vincent tonight is
huge because he's one of those driving kick guys, you know,
he's a spot up shooter that they really have relied on.
So we'll see. But I really think that the Celtics
win tonight. It's not a series yet. Don't tell me

(27:26):
that that it's that they they're in it. They're not
in it. It's three to one, nobody's ever come back.
You make it three to two. That then it becomes
a little bit different. I think also with the psyche
of the Celtics, you can, let's take the other two
games out of it for a second. That they wanted
to get to three to two. They've come back from
three to two. So if you if you lock into
the fact that, oh we just have to win game

(27:46):
six and seven, well we did that against Milwaukee, we
did that against Philly this year. It's it's possible. And
now it's a Celtics podcast.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I reckon Reckon Kentucky says, no disrespect to the Celtics,
but please wake me up when you start talking about
the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Thank you, oh boy, thank you.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
It is May.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
It is May, and it is Boston and you know,
I mean, and they are playing tonight, so and we
had our practice canceled, so what do we forget about?
You know, otherwise we'd be all over the Patriots today.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
You know, with like real, actual, not ourcham.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
I can't do it with the Celtics. I just I
can't get my hopes up because then they won't do
it and I'll get crushed.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
So I'm just so you're you're You're just gonna tip
your toe and dip your toe in the water tonight. Slowly.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
I get what you said.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
I get.

Speaker 9 (28:31):
Well.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
The other night, I really think they win tonight.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
The other night just looked at me and she was
like are you okay? And I was like yeah, why
And She's like, like they're winning and you're not excited,
Like what's going on with you? And I was like,
I'm not doing it. I'm not allowing myself to get
my hopes up.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
I'm not going to do this.

Speaker 10 (28:44):
You know.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
It was Game three, nineteen to eight reducts. Maybe maybe
it was. Maybe it was, but I'm not getting my
hopes out.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
And it's a friend's point. I feel very strongly the
Celtics will win tonight. But I felt probably even stronger
they would win game two, right and they didn't. Now
Here's why I don't think they can win four in
a row. All the shooting stuff aside. The Celtics only
have one way to win, and that is to be
up by double digits or you know, preferably closer to

(29:12):
twenty when you hit the five minute mark. If one
of the last three games is close, they will lose it.
So it's hard to me to envision them blowing them
out four times in a row. And that's what they
need to do because the heat have proven if it's close,
they'll win it. That's fair, all right.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Eight five five PATS five hundred is the a sticket
outline web radio at patries dot com is the email address.
I mean, if you want to talk Celtics.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
You can about how about little respect to the Panthers
for Panthers.

Speaker 7 (29:40):
No, stop it, stop it the hurricane no, but you
got to give him respects now, you know, you know
what we saw the Stanley Cup final was the first
Stanley Cup.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
That was that.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
That was the Stanley.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Cupp three to one. I mean, Martian even in the
game seven Martians, I mean.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Why why are you doing this? I mean it's like,
I did you guys hear any of Rod Brindlemore like,
I know exactly what he's talking about.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
I know exactly what he's talking about.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
Like does he take it to the theater of the absurd? Yes,
it was a little andy like you know where he
goes way too far. But I mean they basically lost
three overtime games and you're gonna kill him for like
a no show in the fun like all those games
could have gone either way.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, Chuck man, he's something. It's gonna go down.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
It's one of the flukiest things that you've ever seen.
Just what what do you mean that one team wins
every time in that spot? Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (30:39):
I just I have no the hockey playoffs in general,
I have no time for I haven't watched a single
minute second of the hockey playoffs since the Bruins got
There were eleven and not even a millisecond.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
I have since being down three to one to the Bruins.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
There were eleven and I get him.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Then, I haven't watched every game the Celtics pretty much
every game could.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Have gone either way, heep getting them bailing them out.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
All right, let's get to the phones. Chris with a T,
I A N is on the line. What's up Christian?

Speaker 8 (31:07):
No, man, it's not Christian's Christian.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Sorry, that's my bad.

Speaker 8 (31:12):
Actually, other Christians he's cool too.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, that's my bad.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
He's not as as you.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
This is just Christian Christians.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
He's not as cool as you.

Speaker 8 (31:21):
Hey, So to two comics. One is the question, actually
one is the comics. I'm hot and cold on what
the league is doing with the the punch returning and
even the kickoff stuff, with the draft capital that we spent.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I'm sorry nobody said anything.

Speaker 8 (31:40):
No, keep going okay with the draft capital that we
spent on guys that are going to be potentially only
special team players. Question number one is do you see
do you guys see us sort of flipping the roster
to free up some more spots for other positions now
that the special teams guys aren't going to be that important,

(32:01):
or just stashing those guys from next year in case
this one year try it doesn't work out. That's my
first question. And then my second question is if Boute
and Douglas come on and camp as it seems like
we're sort of predicting they might. Which one of the
veterans do you see is being more expendable, Kendrick Bourne
or Devonte Parker? Thanks, guys, I'm always great to.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Talk to you, all right. Thanks for the special teams thing.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
I don't see a lot of change.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
I mean, I know that the bottom two guys are
special teams guys, but I mean they also they don't
really have any undrafted rookies this year. Usually get like
ten undrafted rookies. So some of those late round guys
in the draft, I see them just as kind of
uda face. Anyway, So we're just talking about kickoff.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Let me ask a question on a kickoff, do you
like if it's a short kickoff, do you see a
lot of guys fair catching?

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Well, even if you get it in twenty five I
twenty like you're waving it and you're.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
A little bit about inside five yard line, five yard
I would fair catch, you.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Would, unless it's like a line drive right at you.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
You tell your guys to fair catch.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
No, I would tell him to judge the ball like
I do a punt, like Evan said last week, and
that and from that see That's why I push back
on the notion of like special tea changed right exactly,
because you still have to defend the kickoff like that.
They can still return it.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
So in theory, you still have to defend the kickoff,
so you still have to put eleven guys out there
that can make a tackle. So even though we can
have a larger conversation about the value of special teams
in general, and if that's the talk you want to have,
then fine, but I don't think that this rule changes
the philosophy of special teams being important to Bill Belichick
because you're still kicking off and the ball is still

(33:37):
going into a returner's hand, and the chance that he
returns it is still high.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
So like the two ones against the Bills, Yeah, neither
one of them went into the end zone. So now
you're saying that they're gonna catch those, I don't think so.
Not if you're kicking low line drives. Now, if you
can hang it up high and he's catching at the
five yard, is gonna fair catch it every time? But
I don't think it's gonna I don't think it's gonna

(34:04):
be a huge difference in terms of roster construction.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I think that.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
You know, someone in the mailbag this week asked a question,
it's a good question, you know about guys that just
return you know, maybe, uh, that's the liberty guy Douglas.
I always want to call him Davis for the linebacker
from the Saints.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah, yeah, I should I should.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Know the Shrine Bowl there was a Dallas Daniels and
a the Mario Douglas and they both played slot receiver
on the Patriots tea.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
I can't do I can't do any of that a
lot of these. But you know, let's say that he
has like this.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Dynamic returnability and he doesn't really have any other special
teams attributes. I have no idea what he's gonna do.
But and he's not showing, you know, any promise for
the slot. I don't think a guy like that is
going to win a roster spot. I didn't think a
guy like that would win a ross spot ten years ago.
I don't think Bill values it enough that that's the

(34:59):
only thing he does. Like even Kodero Patterson, who was
one of the best returners in the league, he found
a way to incorporate in the offense. Yeah, and if
he doesn't do that with Douglas. I don't think he'll stay.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I think he's totally right, Paul, And I think like
just look at like a couple of years ago when
it seemed like they'll just put pold him back there,
like you know, like they didn't have a guy and
they're like how many times, like they're blunt used to
do it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
So on his other question, if you know Boute or
the other guy, you know, make a spot who's expendable, and.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
I guess we could say Born. I just don't know
if they're in a position to toss either one of
those guys, Like you don't you struggled so much last year?
Do you really think like these two rookies they look
pretty good in the preseason, and now you're just gonna
get rid of Devonte Parker, Like, I don't know, it's
a lot. I mean, I guess it could be a
number one. I would say it would be Born, But
I also just they don't have a lot, Like I
just you know where you can be like, all right,

(35:51):
we're all set now get rid of Kendrick Bourne. Like
I still think he's a good player that could contribute.
So I don't know it it'd be an interesting problem
to have. I'd love to just have one of those
guys step up, but I don't know. I'd be surprised
if they if they jettus in those guys.

Speaker 5 (36:05):
Yeah, I get by the sheer numbers of it. Carrying
six receivers is a little bit out of character for them,
So if somebody has to go, if those two rookies pop,
But I wouldn't rule out carrying six receivers.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Because if you're talking about Ferkser or Kendrick Bourne.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Right right, they're just there's ways to do it, especially
if you consider some of the players that I think
are guys that could get to the practice squad and
then be elevated sure for games and things like like
you know they did that with Miles Bryant a few
years ago, Like is anybody no offense like really picking
up Miles bryan or running to the.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Way down to things like that too with the offensive lineman,
and you know they're going to have offensive lineman on
your practice squad. Every team does right, right, and especially
now with the sixteen guys. You know, do you think
you can get those guys more readily to the practice
squad than you can? Cause it might you know you
might look at and say, well, that's fourth and fourth

(37:00):
round picks higher than sixth round picks. But you know,
especially Booty is a higher profile kind of guy than
the offensive lineman. So and I know that sounds silly,
like they get Yeah, I think sometimes they get fooled.
And they remember that guy from LSU who had three
hundred yards in that game as a freshman and was
considered a second round pick at worst, you know, in

(37:21):
first round pick in some circles, they remember that. And
I know that talent is there, whereas some of the linemen.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
You know, yeah, he's good, solid, Yeah, Jake andrew he's
gonna he's gonna have a career in the league, you know,
maybe yeah, And don't you feel like most teams right
now have kind of those offensive linemen in their building
right now, like you probably got some in the draft
or undrafted brookies like and as much as those guys
are fourth round picks, early day three picks, it's still
it's hard to see Jake Andrews he's not making it
through like I think somebody like that probably could.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, all right, let's go to Todd North Carolina. I
hate Todd.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
Hey, good afternoon, guys. I just thought i'd give you
guys a bit of a heads up, and he was
hinting that he would like to come back yet of
his podcast.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Plus I'd like to come back at the end of
his podcast.

Speaker 6 (38:05):
No, at the end of his podcast this week six
Rings and Football Things. We want to come back to
see you guys, and you know, if you can give
him a raise, he definitely wants to.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think Andy's agent.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
I'd like to say, that's the interesting mutual.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
You get two shots and that's it too. You know.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
I've got two quick little questions to go along with
the goofy garment. The practice squad. When is it that
is it set right when you break and get down
to that fifty three man roster or does it get like.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
The last No, you got to resign those guys like
the next day, so you agent. Everybody's a free agent then.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
But it's always a fluid situation, absolutely, okay.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
That and the other question is what about tight ends
other than Gronk. I really haven't thought of any other
tight end that they really drafted and you know, stuck
with the team in the last fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Ben Watson, Dan grahamout a couple talk about fourteen years
the last.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Yeah, because the other one count Yeah, Hernandez counts.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Well was he a tight end or was he was
tight end?

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Okaytyounds yeah, but it.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
Just it just seems to me that we haven't.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Well, they haven't really reached they haven't gone high for
a tight end in a while.

Speaker 6 (39:21):
No, you know, yeah, they haven't.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Well, they did take two third round picks, right, yeah,
thanks keenan ASIASI were both third round.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
That was a but that draft I have to go
back and fact check it exactly. But they hadn't drafted
a tight end in like ages because they had rocks.
So like what, you know, what, what was the point man?

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Right?

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Who is you know, they signed a guy like Martell's
Bennett or Scott Chandler or whoever to just be tight
end too, But what was the point in wasting a
top fifty pick on a tight end when he had
the greatest tight end of all time on your roster?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I would say they would have been wasting it if
they did in like twenty eighteen when he was starting
to wind down and like.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
Right, had those Those were some of the second guesses
I guess late in his career, but there was like
a four or five year period where they just avoided
the ignored it because why no one's gonna come in
here and play.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, and Keane were interesting, you know, it's boy, they
never they but I would say, you know, investing a
third round.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Pick, yeah, you expect it. I mean it's the third
round picks four years ago now, something.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
You expect to have at least one of those guys
on your roster four years later, like could have been
on the roster. No, but I mean as a player. Yeah,
he's on a roster now, but he's not doing anything
for Cincinnati either.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Right, I mean Keen was always hurt, but I mean
just ASKI was another one of those guys. Never saw
him doing He's Ronnie Perkins, you know, like I mean,
I know he played a few games, but I never
saw him do anything in practice.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
One of the rare guys that I did a draft
profile on that I got the impression that I got
sort of a lukewarm yeah, like from from his college coaches,
and you know, they they liked him a lot, They
thought he had potential. It was a question of whether
or not it would it would fully click in, and

(41:12):
it was like some red flags there.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
So the Patriots drafted Gronk and Hernandez obviously in twenty ten.
They drafted Lee Smith in twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
He's actually an NFL he's like a blocker.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
Yeah, and then they they drafted aj Derby in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
He played, he played for Denver.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Yeah, and then they didn't draft another tight end until Ossiassi. Oh,
Ryan is in the seventh.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Round, So we're talking, we're talking somewhere streaked.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
We're talking about guys that you know, sixth round picks,
seventh round picks we're not talking about.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, that's why he only brought up Keenan as right.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
So from the twenty ten draft with Gronk and Hernandez
to the Keenan Aasiassi draft, he had a couple day
three flyers on guys, but nothing really called an investment.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
But those two picks were almost like you talk about
cold strange where you're like, we got no tight ends,
like Kronk retired, what are we going to do now?

Speaker 5 (41:59):
And I mean that was a bad tightend class to
begin with. I think like Adam Troutman might be the
best tight end to come out of that class and
he's not anything.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
So keen in the third round. That was a shocker.
I think everybody was on him as like seventh round
special teams guy.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
And that impresses me like that, I can't do that,
Like I can't. I remember all the names. Yeah, you
tell me all the names that we spent way too
many hours talking about on stupid draft review podcasts. I
can tell you all the names. And as soon as
you said trout Man like, but if you asked me
to say what year was he draft?

Speaker 5 (42:34):
Oh god, no chance that was the class.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
No way.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Harrison Bryant was the tight end of the year, the
Nay Award winner that year, and was up there as
a prospect like those were the couple guys uh desired
the Gora with the Packers, so that those were like
a handful of the guys that were up near the.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Top of the sport. But they remember that class.

Speaker 5 (42:58):
When you study those classes as much as I do
and waste as much of your life watching them, that's
what happens.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
But yeah, they.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
That class was not a good class, which is what
made it so surprising that they took two of them,
Like they took two tight ends back what they've tended.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
You know, someone was being critical of us because we're
you know, not talking about all the great draft picks
they've had, and Fred you can recall me being very
defensive of Bill's drafting, very very very good drafter. I
think I got made fun of for saying, but that's
that's some of the things that they've done, like in
this like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen through like you know, eighteen,

(43:37):
nineteen twenty, some of these like lighter drafts, they've done
that three or four times where they've gone after a
position in a year that was down for that position,
and it's almost like they do it intentionally because well,
everybody loves the wide receivers in this class. So we're
not going to get the eighth wide receiver, even though
he's better than the best wide receiver the following year.

(44:00):
We're gonna wait for the year when that that position
is down. And I don't think it's worked. And that
tight end thing is an example of it.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
Yeah, so I forgot about co Comett. Cole Commet's probably
the best out of that group, and cole Comet has
fifty catches. He's a pretty good player in his career
but he's a good blocker. The only time that I
can remember them doing what you're talking about and working
as Christian Barmore. But I don't know if Barmore has worked.
But he's clearly good, you know, an NFL player that
can play. But he was the first defensive tackle taken

(44:29):
in that draft because it was a weak defensive tackle draft.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, so all right, we're gonna take a break when
we come.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Back because Fred's foods here, My foods here, and I already.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
I am leaving.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
You got graduation, I do. All right, We'll be right
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Looks like he's saving up for some big future moves,
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Speaker 5 (54:00):
Now great moments in.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
History.

Speaker 20 (54:05):
So I love college football. He has no interest in
it until February, but it's so much. This weekend especially
is gonna be great. You know, Alabama, Tennessee. There's probably
at least one future Patriot playing in that game, so
that would probably be.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
It okay, because he's patting himself on the back so much.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
I'm gonna just say this, the reason why I don't
get into college football in the fall is because I
have what's called a girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
And I had a shot fireball shot Saturday.

Speaker 5 (54:34):
I spend it with Jess.

Speaker 15 (54:36):
So there you go.

Speaker 20 (54:38):
I'm going to truly enjoy my Saturday this week. And
I thought you said we weren't doing. We weren't doing personally.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
All right back here and Patriots on filtered eight five
five Pats five hundred is the ace ticket hut line.
Paul is left.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
It's gonna be a puddle up there watching his kid graduate.
I can't imagine, you say.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
When we went to go pick him up at his office,
he looked like he might have been crying.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
He says, he's not handling it well emotionally.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
He's watching his little boy go to prom.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
And I was like, finally, you know, get rid of him,
get him out of here.

Speaker 6 (55:14):
Now.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
I'm only kidding, but no, Paul.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Is uh, he's he's in it.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, all right, let's get to some of these emails
at web radio at pages dot com. It's duced. It's
evidence myself. Matt's still here.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Thank goodness, thank god we would have a show.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Let's see. Dan writes in he says, I'm so glad
Max's girlfriend sacrificed her time and hard earned money to
take him to Taylor Swift concert. All jokes aside. I
think we all expect him to have a better year
than last year. It seems like Mac has generally been
dealt a bad hand throughout his tenure here, between lack
of potent playmakers in below average at best protection, the

(55:52):
best rise to the occasion despite the circumstances, and he
obviously hasn't done so yet. Just look at how well
Burrow has played despite poor protection. He actually has playmakers
around him, though there's reason to be hopeful with the
addition of Bill O'Brien, new playmakers and a more youthful team. Overall,
despite a difficult schedule, the Patriots will end up with

(56:14):
double digit wins and second in the division. Max should
have a leap, taking pressure off Remondree to carry the load.
Best case, someone else steps up to It's an exciting
time to be a Patriots fan remain equally as loyal
and hopeful and as critical when applicable.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Wow, an exciting time to be a Patriots fan. I
don't hear that a lot now these days. I'm not
gonna lie, were.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
You not around the last twenty Not sure we can
for excitement, Yeah, I haven't.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
You don't hear that a lot from this fan base
right now, that any but he is. Really some people
might be a little bit cautiously optimistic, but excited or
I think.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
I think that's why I was frustrated that we didn't
get to go out there today, because I think that
there's always something to get excited about when you actually,
you know, just get to see them play a little bit.
I think we all know that we're watching OTAs and
that this you know, might have very little impact, but
even still just you know, to get some excitement brewing.
I just think, like, regardless of the observations that we're
going to tell you about football and who's playing, wear
and all that stuff, it's just you know, seeing it's

(57:16):
like not the first day of school, I don't know,
it's like the like the last goodbye before the long break.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
I'm all for over hyping OTA practice oh yeah, all
for it.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I love appetizers. Yeah, well that's what you know. The
spring is, you know, an.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Appetize guys look a little bigger, a little leaner, a
little fit, little strong.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Like if we got out there and I keep on
thinking about Taekwon, Like if we get out there and
Taekwon's ten pounds of muscle heavier, then like all of
a sudden, you know, dude start to get a little
bit excited. And if then he goes out there and
he makes a play, now you get really excited and
all for it.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
And you probably would just watch Christian Gonzalez jog out
to the field and right.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
Yeah, I mean he's just one of those guys that
he should shine in this type of thing because it's
just about athleticism, right, there's no contact, it's not it's
not real football yet. And he's a get off the
bust type of guy. And I was looking forward to
seeing him too, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Rusty and rusty in Arlen says, really mourning the loss
of those OTAs. Was looking forward to reading about how
Malie Cunningham is tearing things up in shorts. But I
guess I'll have to wait before carving that bust for Canton.
That being said, I do think there are some interesting
things to watch for and OTAs, like what they do
with Cunningham, where Booty is on the depth chart, and

(58:28):
who is our left tackle? Got an early prediction for
any of those?

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Sure, I think Cunningham will be fourth in line and
he'll be learning how to like hand the ball off
and do simple things like that. I don't think we'll
see a lot of him, but I think anything we
do see will just be kind of rudimentary. You know,
they're installing the basics. I mean, I'm sure he's been
learning a ton of things with the rookies that they've
been here for the last couple of weeks, and you know,
getting a foundation. Who the other one's left tack? I

(58:54):
think it's gonna be Trump Brown and Riley Reef. I
think James Ferrens will fill in it right guard for WNU,
which was arded that he was out, which I think
is just what they do they when you have a
hole in a camp like this, it's not about like
who's the best or who you think. It's about who
knows what they're doing, who can go out there and
establish the baseline for the guys that don't know what
they're doing. So James Ferns is a perfect guy at

(59:15):
right guard to step in for Michael. And when you
you know, as much as somebody might want to say,
oh cities out, is you know getting a chance right
at you know, I don't think that that's something that's
gonna happen, but I will say that you know, with
him when you we saw him and even in that ota,
like it seems like he's in there a little bit,
He's in the mix, like you didn't know what was
going on, but you could tell that he was kind
of picking things up and that they liked him.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Speaking of a when you Jack and and Arba wants
to know, is there a question whether Michael when you
will recover fully from his offseason ankle injury.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
No, No, it sounded like you'd be okay.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
I mean I do think.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
I mean I'd floated. I if some of these rookies
look really good, could you know, could he be moved
where everybody wants to talk about us going and signing
a wide receiver going into you know, his last year
his deal, but you know, could they be on the
other end of that, could they say we got a
bunch of guards we know, and you could, you know,
maybe get us something back that we need, even if
it's a you know, a Day two draft pick. That

(01:00:05):
might be a little bit crazy, but even still I think.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
I mean, they've done it before. I think that the
biggest yearhead trade in terms of rookie contract expired, like
Chandler Jones, right, you know, trading him into year four.
Jamie Collins was already in season, but he was on
year four of the rookie deal and got dealt. So
it's not it's not totally out of the realm for
them to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Like he's wondering because of the ankle injury to the
Patriots know something. That's why they drafted so many interior guys.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
I mean, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
I don't think so, but I do. It still strikes
me strange that they drafted three guys that, to me
are interior guys.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Tim in New Hampshire, I have an autographed Tom Brady
football that I got twenty years ago. It's an official
ball with the logo super Bowl thirty six and thirty eight.
Do you have any idea how much it's worth? And
now is the best time to sell well. The fact
that he's getting involved with Mark Davis drive down the
value of Tom Brady merch.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
I would sit on that sucker. But I'm not an
expert on these kind of things because I think I
have a Tom Brady sign ball too. But I think
you need to get it like authenticated, and you need
to make sure that that everybody is, you know, confirmed
that it's real.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
It's like in Pond Stars when they bring in the
autograph expert to make sure that it's it's really the
I don't know. I wouldn't get rid of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
No, it's not going to go down to value.

Speaker 5 (01:01:24):
I think it's also just like I don't know, unless
someday it's like thousands of dollars, which I don't think
it ever really will be, because there's probably a lot
of Tom Brady autographed stuff out there. I don't know.
I think it's more valuable to just have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
It I'm displaying. I'm still sitting on three or four
Barry Sanders rookie cards from my football card collecting days,
as well as Dean Sanders. I got a couple d
On Sanders score rookie cards. Every now and then, I'll look,
I gotta actually go get up here. We got a
card place up here. I'd love to just take them
in and be like, we got to get those graded. Money,
get them graded. Yeah, I got a few or something

(01:01:59):
if you get them bread.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
My uncle gave me his collection of basketball cards when
I was growing up, and there's a few. It's mostly
from like the eighties and nineties, and there's a few
good ones in there, a few, you know, Michael Jordan's
and birds and things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Like that, so you never know he's gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Matt and Boston. I was looking at some Vegas odds
for the upcoming season. Max season total for passing yards
is three two hundred and seventy five and a hay.
That's an average of one hundred and ninety three yards
for seventeen games. Personally, I think that's disrespectful. Or are
they assuming he won't play all seventeen games? What do
you think of this line?

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
I mean, I can kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
I'm not a big good Zilinger, but I have been
dabbling and looking back at last season a little bit.
I've watched just some recaps because I'm out, Like Paul,
I don't have the the game book installed into my
prefrontal cortex or whatever it's called. But I mean, I
would they. I think he threw for over three hundred
yards in like two or three games last year. I
mean it was close. They were under three hundred yards

(01:03:02):
mostly so I I mean, I think that number is
probably about where it should be last year.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Adrian from Delaware says, what are your opinions when fans
of a sports team refer to said team as we
or us? Like why do we sign this player? The
offense let us down? Blah blah blah. I find the
wording or phrasing from sports fans irritating.

Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
I mean, if you're a fan of the team, you
feel like you're part of the team. That's the whole idea.
I think people journalists get criticized, like if you're a
beat writer for the Patriots, they get criticized when they
say us or we are you know. But I think fans,
you're supposed to say us. That's what you want. You're
you should be invested in your team.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
I think so too. I wrote a whole blog post
back when I was like with Bleacher Report, I think
like just saying I think it's okay, Like if you're
a fan of the team and you feel like you
live and die with that team, you're part of that
team in terms of the results. Like I don't, I
don't don't really have a problem. I know in some
context that can probably be annoying, you know, where somebody
sounds like they're the one doing the playing and all

(01:04:06):
that kind of stuff. But I generally don't have a
problem with it. I think if you're a fan and
you love the team and you're invested in everything they do,
when you feel the wins and losses thing, you're part
of the team. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
I would never say we or us about the Patriots
because I covered the paper.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
It's weird because we worked like here somewhere, like we
as the people that work.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
For But I wouldn't refer to it as like we
were we did this, or we're on the field or
in free agency or something. But like with the Celtics,
it's it's we.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
I mean, it's we.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
Maybe I don't care about any of that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
That's why the Patriots and it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
We're gonna lose, Yeah, we're gonna lose. Mitch in Aubany,
I think the whole thing, the whole losing two OTAs
because of a meeting is absolutely ridiculous. It seems like
the punishment is a bit severe. But my favorite thing
to come out of this is people saying that, you know,
the Patriots are taking the season seriously when they're already cheating.
I don't believe they cheated all, but it is funny. Second,

(01:05:02):
just wanted to check on the T shirt and if
I need to send in my address again. So another
person hasn't got his T shirt. Matt, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
Fault?

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Because I thought I send them all out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Mitch and all, but he check it out. So he
still hasn't got his T shirt. Maybe the post office,
maybe they're intercepting him because all that it could help.
We have a big mailman following.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Have we ever thought about selling merch for.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
We could at some point?

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Yeah, yeah, just asked why we don't sell ye, sell merch?

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
We could.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
I think training camp be a good opportunity to you know,
we'll keep talking about T shirt gun you know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
Yeah, some some T shirts.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Some if we could launch a T shirt off of
the side of the stadium to a fan down below.
I think that would be a fun stunt.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
Well here here you hear the T shirt guy. If
we had T shirts, you know some of.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
It, I could whip one up and have e for sale.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
About twenty of some of our best zingers too, you know,
it can be be on a T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
We'd hit some lay in the back of the head,
she'd fall forward and you know, break her neck and we'd.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Get to and then she don Chile Stadium. I well,
I think that there should be a Patriots Unfiltered shirt.
I was, I was visioning the design for it. Of shoot,
what do you call it? When it's eight three? What
do you call Like outside of stores and bars, they
have the facade, No, the signs that are all like
one thing, uh, you know, one electric god on side,

(01:06:20):
so kind of a Neon sign, you know, Patriots Unfiltered
and then maybe like an on air sign and then
underneath the World's original podcast you know.

Speaker 8 (01:06:27):
Have that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
It's like the you're already coming up with ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
That's my idea for that for the Patriots.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
I mean, look like at like barstool there there. Merch
is a big part of their business.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
I mean it's like a requirement for them. Yeah, you
got to like come up with T shirts and I
don't know, how they haven't gotten.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Well, you know how like some stores have since Yeah,
they have that we could have like since you know,
nineteen ninety nine, World's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Original podcast since nineteen ninety nine. You know, I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Let's get back to the Ace ticket hut line. We'll
go to Paul and Vancouver. What's up, Paul?

Speaker 21 (01:06:58):
Hey, Brad?

Speaker 9 (01:06:58):
How's it going?

Speaker 21 (01:07:00):
A chance to call in there quickly?

Speaker 9 (01:07:05):
Bred?

Speaker 21 (01:07:06):
Is the when you say about Bill, don't listen to
what he says, but what he does? Is that apply
to your show as well?

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
I hesitate to answer, but what do you do? What
do we do?

Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
No? What you did?

Speaker 9 (01:07:20):
Fred?

Speaker 8 (01:07:20):
Was that this?

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Uh?

Speaker 21 (01:07:22):
You brought Andy Hart back there for little segments? So
is that a Was that indication to the new talent
to erase their game?

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Was that?

Speaker 18 (01:07:29):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
No, it's just convenience. He happened to be in the
building doing something in the.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Studio next Jo Fire, trying to motivate.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Ba.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
It always makes for good content to get him in.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
You know, sure, I hope he's back this year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:07:48):
Just give us a war took a warning so we
can adjust our volume control.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Before Well, he always comes in like hot, you know,
and then like after twenty minutes, he loses his momentum
shot at me.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
It's like a little kid.

Speaker 21 (01:08:01):
All right, Well, Brett, since I haven't had a chance,
I don't know when will have another one. But the
last few shows just been talking about fans being hopeful. Okay,
me right, I've been a fan since the Plunket days,
all right, So I've suffered through two and fourteen one
and fifteen seasons, all right, thinking my team is going
to win every single week. All right. I lost money

(01:08:23):
in the freaking eighty five Super Bowl. But let's be
realistic about where we are. We are stuck in the
messy middle. Okay, this post Brady period, let's call it
has been bought from the start, all right, because of
something we all know. Paul Ferla was, you know, wrong
so many times in a weekly basis. But the one

(01:08:45):
thing we talking about was that we has the oldest
roster at that time. We moved on for Beatty Brady. Now,
I'm not going to eat still up for moving on
from a forty year old quarterback. But with the oldest raw, no,
we have to get younger. And I don't even see
that right now. And if you're talking about hole. Well,

(01:09:06):
let's for this season. Let's break down where we are.
Let's go to the schedule night. Now, I think we
need to be a ten win team to get in
the playoffs. Look at our look at the schedule, Eagles
fills twice, Chiefs zero and four. Let's split with the
Jets and Dolphins two and two. Now we're two and six. Okay,

(01:09:28):
be a bit more optimistic with the mb three to
one again, the Cowboys, Giants, Steelers, Chargers. That's optimistic. Then
we got to win out against the Saints, the Broncos,
the Raiders, pull to the Commanders to get to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Yeah. No, we're obviously going to have to win a
few games that were underdogs.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
That's the only way, you know, because we are going
to be underdogs in a lot of games. So you're
gonna have to turn that around.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
You don't think anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Has to do this?

Speaker 21 (01:09:58):
Yeah, if we look at this, like I came up
with a very simple way of looking at teams about
if they improved from year to year. Right, if we
take your twenty two starters and like say six other
players that are important, like you know, your third wide receiver,
swing tackle, whatever you want to make those six right,
and if you think about a starter, get the second contract.

(01:10:19):
He's in the league for seven years. So basically twenty
two plus six is twenty eight seven years divided by four.
You're replacing four players every year, just replacing them, not
really getting much better. And we had chained to tackle
wide receivers, safety. Now you can throw in whatever, second
running back, second tight end.

Speaker 9 (01:10:38):
The guys were brought in.

Speaker 21 (01:10:40):
I think that's a watch. We're not getting any better
from lobsters. So well, I don't know, you give me
any kind of reason to think.

Speaker 22 (01:10:49):
That Bill is actually going to turn this roster over
and turn it all with Well, first of all, do
you have a losing when you have a losing team,
the only team the FANCI support is a young, up
and coming team.

Speaker 21 (01:11:00):
They're gonna lose. They're gonna lose the four here and
it's been three years. So where is the hope coming
from here?

Speaker 16 (01:11:06):
Breton?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
I think the hope comes from that Bill O'Brien is
gonna make this offense better than it was last year.
That you know, the defense continued like the defense wasn't
bad last year, the defense continues to get better. Uh,
you know this guy Key on white Man. If he
comes in and he can help that defensive line, I
think I think you've got something going there. You've got

(01:11:28):
one of the best safety cornerbacks in the draft and
Christian Gonzales. You know, the defense I think can be
better than it was last year. And I think we
are all assuming that the offense is gonna be better
than it was last year just because of O'Brien and
you know, and if that means Mac is you know,

(01:11:48):
if that helps Mac in his third year, there's hope.
I mean, basically, I'm saying that we could see something
this season that we that we haven't seen yet because of,
you know, just the improvement that Bill O'Brien brings. We
haven't seen an offense yet with a quarterback who knows

(01:12:11):
what he's doing. I mean, even in Match's rookie year,
he wasn't that great. He was good for a rookie,
but he faded down the line for him to be
better in his third year, he's going to be much
better than he was his rookie year. We're not hoping
that he goes back to that, but he can be
I think he can. I think there's hope. I think
that you know, I think there's pieces on this offense

(01:12:33):
that haven't played to their potential, and the hope is
that they do this year. It could be an utter disaster.
It could be, but the hope is that the players
they have on offense play to the potential we thought
that they had when we signed them.

Speaker 21 (01:12:51):
All right, but Fred, aren't we like looking at look
at the Bills Bills games. He took their foot off
the accelerator at the end of the game. So you're
telling me that the hole basically is, instead of losing
thirty five to Pad, we're gonna lose like forty two eight.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
They took their foot off the accelerated because they weren't
scared of us scoring. They weren't scared of us scoring.

Speaker 21 (01:13:14):
We're going to get better on offense. Well, it's not
score ten points, we'll score twenty eight points, but we're
still gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
But what if you what if you combine that with
the defense getting even better, you know, and what if.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
His different if Yeah, what if.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Gonzales is really good and what if the pass rush
is that much better? They can contain a mobile quarterback,
you know, because they have a little bit more speed
on defense and and all of a sudden like it's
a game. It's a game, you know, Like like you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
They need you guys to stop. They need guys to stop.

Speaker 21 (01:13:45):
Were Brad, you're telling me we're putting everything on success
this year on rookie We have not seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
So that's where the whole And also, like I'm saying
that Christian Barmore has a better year than he had
last year. You know, guys that they've already had, you know,
step up and play better.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
They have to. That's I mean, that's the point. Like
you look, you're right. If everybody guy on the roster
plays exactly like they did last year or worse, they're
gonna be bad. They're gonna be worse. But you hope
that with better coaching. And clearly this is what the
coaches think, that a better, actual competent, experienced offensive coordinator
is going to put guys in position.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
I mean, look at last year.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
It was a mess. They couldn't get plays off. They
were not coordinated in any sense of the word. So
I know we're putting a lot of eggs in this basket,
but I do think it's a significant one based on
how bad things work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
You know, and I hear what you're saying. But you know,
Bill Parcells would always say that each side of the
ball gives the other side hope. So if you're the
defense last year.

Speaker 5 (01:14:42):
But it is any much hope? Did you have any
is anybody selling Paul or anybody else on them being
a super Bowl team? Like, I don't understand where all that, right,
the like feistiness comes from on the call.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
That they didn't do enough that they wanted he wanted
more Ei.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
I mean, he's looking at the schedule, which is fair,
and saying we're not as good as a lot of
these teams in the schedule. Where are the wins going
to come from?

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
And none of us can tell me he's wrong. I mean,
you know that's my point.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
No one's saying that that that no one's picking in
the finish fourteen and three.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
I choose, I choose not to expect them to all
of a sudden, right I have. I have hope that
these guys improve, you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Know, And it's but it's so hard to and why else.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
What's his put to me? What's the point of going
into the season without hope?

Speaker 18 (01:15:26):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Like, and and it's so easy to just say, well,
We're gonna lose the Kansas City. We're gonna lose the
Buffalo twice. Like you don't know, Like I mean, IM
sure if you want to be like take the negative
view of it, of course, But what you know, you
get to the December and all of a sudden, oh,
you know, quarterback who was a superstar isn't playing because
he's hurt. Like I mean, things just change. You want
to get yourself so worked up that they're going to
be just as bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
And I've heard people and not people from New England
national people saying, you know, Buffalo's window could be closing,
you know. And I've heard that well, and it's not
New England fans saying that it's it's National pundits.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
I just look at you know, we were talking about
this earlier, Mike, all the games last year. The optimism
that I have with the team, I'm not overly optimistic,
but the optimism that I have is that there were
so many games last year that were winnable. They were
we were talking about the Raiders game, the Vikings game,
the Bengals game, like just go on down the line

(01:16:18):
of these games where not only did they just lose
close games they lost them in epic fashion in some cases, so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
They beat themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
If you all of a sudden can turn some of
those games, not all of them, You're not gonna go
completely perfect from going what you were last year to that.
But if you can win fifty percent of the games
that you lost that it were coin flips last year,
then all of a sudden, it's a different team. Which
and I think that's where you have to be optimistic,
is that as bad as certain things were about that

(01:16:50):
team last year, they were a play away from beating
the Bengals. They were a play away from beating the Raiders.
They were a play away from beating Minnesota. I mean,
Fred and I were air in Minnesota. Fred, if they
if Hunter Henry scores a touchdown there, who the heck knows,
Like that's the whole season might have changed, honestly, because
that was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
He actually did score, that's right, they just didn't rule it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
That way, right, So if all of these things, that's
what you have to hold your hat on. I think
if you're a Patriot fan and you want to be optimistic,
is that those were really unorthodox type of losses that
if you can start flipping some of these close games
and winning a few of those late, then maybe you
have a different football team that's you know, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Now on paper, I would you know, you can make
the argument that this season schedule's tougher than last season's schedule,
and that could be true, but maybe where the Patriots
are just a little bit better, you know, and then
like Evan says, you don't make the same mistakes that
you did last year, and all of a sudden, you know,
instead of eight wins, you got ten wins.

Speaker 8 (01:17:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I mean, I think my hope is in a precarious
spot right now. And I mean it's just to Evan's
point what we were talking about upstairs was and kind
of just I went back, like I said, I looked
at some of the games. It was every time the
game was there for the taking, they crapped their pants,
you know, and like and as Evan said, like in
epic fashion, Like there were so many times in those
games where it's like here's like the Ravens game, there
it is for the taking. Nelson Ageloor fumbles it. I mean,

(01:18:14):
you ran through the other games. There's just so many
games like that, and of course they're not all gonna
go the other way. But in some ways, I feel
like that's the only real big difference between twenty twenty
two and twenty twenty one was like in twenty twenty one,
they made some of those plays in some of those games,
you know, right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
So I just I go back to the Bengals game.
You were down I think twenty to nothing at halftime, right,
you got to come all the way back to make
it a game late, and then probably your best player
on offense fumbles on the ten yard line. I use
the game like well, in the feeling in the stadium
in that moment when they were driving was maybe some tepoism,

(01:18:48):
just because we've seen them kind of crap down their
leg before. In this ere u you had the momentum, Yeah,
but it really I mean, Marcus Jones has a pick six.
It was it was really one of those games where
it felt like all of a sudden, everything was going
to Patriot Patriot's way until it didn't. So if Madre
doesn't fumble at the ten yard line and you go
in and score, then it's just you never.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Know, right, And it's just that's where I'm living though,
because I look at a team and when you when
I think about a team that when you have the
opportunity to win the game, you can't do it. And
not only can you not do it, you're actually like
hurting yourself. Like it wasn't even like they just couldn't
do it, they fell short. It was like no, they
actually like had major brain farts that cost them the game.
And so I guess my question of where my hope

(01:19:30):
is right now is, you know, Ken Bill O'Brien, wipe
that all away and get this as a team that
has that laser focus that when the game is on
the line and therefore the taking that they're able to
play at their absolute peak level. And yeah, I don't
know that they can get Like I have real concerns
that that energy isn't easily gotten back just by swapping
out the offensive coordinator and all right, now we understand

(01:19:52):
what the plan is on offense, Now we can get
behind this playbook that you're trying to run. That's where
I'm like a little precarious. We got to get out there.

Speaker 5 (01:20:00):
And because that's often times I think a lot of
people make a lot out of myself, included roster talent, right,
and just do you have a better team on paper
than the team that you're going against. But unless you're
a really really bad team, like a team that's gonna
win two or three games, a lot of the times,
what separates the good teams from the teams that are
eight and nine are just these little things in the margins.

(01:20:21):
It's close games, it's finishing late. It's you know, stopping
Derek Carr going down the field instead of giving up
a touchdown drive and then Jacoby Myers never happens, right,
it's Ramandra Stevenson not fumbling. It's these little things like
that that often separate from you going ten and seven
in an eight.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
To nine penalties destroying drives. Yeah, you know, spiin Fresno,
says Hope, Hope. There's only so much Billy Oh can
spackle over. Contrary to the earlier email about this being
the most exciting time to be a Patriots fan, I
find this a pretty rough time. The offense seems like
a house of cards. Mac is a non versatile pocket
passers slow and needs everything perfect. The old line has

(01:21:02):
a new coach, unproven players with them. When you coming
off an ankle surgery, and as Mike might say, there's
the ferens of it all and Joe Judge is still
lurking in the background waiting to ruin something. Too many
things could easily go wrong. Yeah, I mean, I mean,
that's one way of looking at it, and then.

Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
You can surprise speed.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
But there's also the hey, Christian Barmoer is going to
have a bounce back here and have that breakout here
that we thought he was going to have, like Fred said,
and key On White is going to be a great
compliment to him. And you know, even just watching some
of the games from last year, the lack of just
I mean, Christian Gonzalez like he already to me, just
makes your secondary better, like just by how he moves
just theilit and he gives you and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Then you know, assuming everyone's healthy, people can play in
the right positions. You know, it's a domino effect. He's
your outside guy there, you know, and so he allows
people to start playing where they should play.

Speaker 5 (01:21:59):
They there's a lot of because I think we work
for the team, let's be honest. So I think a
lot of people think, oh, your optimism is Pom Pom
waving or whatever. But there's a lot of national people,
like Fred was saying about the bills that look at
this Patriots defense and like, this was already a top
five defense statistically last year, and I like some of
the pieces that they brought in. You know, Mina Chimes

(01:22:21):
was tweeting about it yesterday, Like, you guys realize that
the Patriots defense last year was pretty much top five
in every efficiency metric as it is. And now they
bring into Christian Gonzales, and they bring in Keon White
and maybe Marty Map who contributes this year, maybe he doesn't.
But the point being is is that that was already
a pretty good defense on paper already, and now they

(01:22:41):
bring in these rookies. And I get that the rookies
haven't played at all, but it's the rookies are icing
on the cake, their cherries on top. The defense was
already pretty solid even without them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
So like I expect that key On White will be
better than Daniel quality as right, like second interior pass
rush kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
So, I mean, I don't think it's crazy to think
that they and improve. I just think the defense's problem
was the same thing that I just talked about. When
they had a chance to close the game out, When
they have a chance to win it, they didn't do it.
So it's kind of that recurring theme for this whole team,
and it's not an easy fix of you know, oh,
we just got to get all new players, like you
just can't do it like that. But I totally get
the caller people calling in saying on paper, personnel wise,

(01:23:21):
it doesn't look like they did enough, and I totally
understand that. I just think you have to respect Bill
O'Brien and at least give it a chance to see
what it looks like, because we got out there in
the spring last year and you could tell early on
that and I didn't want to believe it, like I'm like,
everyone's making a big deal out of this, let's just
wait and see. But it was true. It was true.
Those struggles were evident from day.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
One, faster from day one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
John Rice in I'm surprised Evan believes the Patriots will
go eight to nine because he thinks the Patriots will
have an elite defense along with a solid offense. My
personal opinions the Patriots defense will be top five along
with a top fifteen to top twelve offense. I believe
the Patriots will win ten games. Those wins will come
in weeks two, three, five, six thirteen, fourteen, sixteen, and eighteen.

Speaker 7 (01:24:07):
Got it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
I don't know if I think the offense is gonna
be good yet. I think the offense will be more competent,
which I think right, which I think helps you from
just a baseline standpoint of hopefully all the things we
just rattled off don't happen. So maybe you win some
of those closer games. Maybe you when you need that
drive late in the game, maybe it's well better orchestrated

(01:24:29):
by Bill O'Brien and you've practiced that situation a little
bit more, and yeah, and you have a little bit
better idea of it. But I think they're gonna be
really good on defense. I'm not ready to say a
leade because everybody gets triggered.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
By the word elitie.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
Oh right, so I'm not gonna say the word elite.
I think they're gonna be a really good defense. I
think that they will be a competent offense. And I
think it comes down to Mac Jones. If Matt Jones
takes a leap and Mac Jones is goes from being
an average to below average to a good quarterback in
the NFL, then yeah, they they could win ten games.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
That was another thing watching some of these games, just
going back, it was like there was just a smattering
of play calls where you're like, what was that? Ye,
like offensive play calls where I've never seen anything like
that that they were just trying something stupid that like
totally what was the one I'm forgetting now? I might
have been a two point conversion against Baltimore, I think
where Mac had tried to like like Remandre tried to

(01:25:21):
like run it in and they tried to do something
sneaky with Remandre then he like then Mac got it
and Mac was trying to run it. I mean, just
there are a lot of that stuff. It just I
don't think you'll see it this year.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
We talked about it there At the time, it felt
like they were just randomly picking plays out.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Of a hat, like now we're just going to bring
them together.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
Now, we're just gonna do this, and now we're gonna
do that now, and there's no sequencing. There was no like, oh,
we did this earlier, so we're gonna compliment this piece
of it by doing that. There was there was none
of that. So that's what you hope you get back.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
That's like what and then I mean I give Josh
compliment that just I mean, Bill O'Brien is cunning, like
he sees what he wants to do. He can set
things up, he can put you in unwinnable positions, and
I just I do wonder about I mean, Bill Belichick
obviously you knows football offense, and you know, just what
was he seeing last year? Like what was you know,
like how frustrating was it for him? Because I imagine

(01:26:12):
like the play calls to him probably seemed okay, right, Like,
I mean, they're not calling plays that he doesn't believe in,
But was there enough like you're to your point of
that setting things up? And just as guys in position,
it was just like now we're going to do this,
and now we're going to do this, and didn't feel
like it a purpose.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
Like in a individually the play calls, the designs of
the plays might have been sound, but they had nothing
to do with each other. There was so there was
no system, and like that's that's how you build offenses.
Just having that in defense too, just having like a
baseline a foundation of this is what we do, and
everything branches off of what we do. And then there
was obviously issues within the details, you know, route running

(01:26:51):
and reads and timing and all that kind of stuff too.
But from a schematic perspective, it just felt like they
were trying to play the hit. It's from like every
single Oh, now we're gonna run outside zone. Now we're
gonna run gap, Now we're gonna run this play.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Now we're gonna run that identity as we can do
everything right, and that was that was never gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Let's see. Georgia Maryland says, I personally think this Rogers
Jets thing is overblown. He's washed ZAPPI took him to
overtime last year with no offensive coordinator in Green Bay
and now he's in New York with Nathaniel as his
offensive coordinator. What am I missing here?

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
Well, I think you got better at the the you know,
at the end of the year when he started to,
you know, find a little bit of rhythm with that offense.
But you know, this's just I just for me. You
very well might be right, And I think it just
goes back to Paul's point of they've got some good
talent there and Amon Rodgers. I don't think he needs
to play at an MVP level for them to you know,
potentially be better than the Patriots. I think he just
needs to be able to, you know, manage the team

(01:27:50):
and get the ball. But they've got a nice mix
of young guys and guys that he's played with, and
I think just the offensive line will be the question.
And if they can protect him and keep them.

Speaker 5 (01:27:58):
Healthy, that would be one thing worried about, Like is
he going to be too reliant on like Alan Lazard,
you know, because like it's his Yeah, I don't think
it would be like if you don't throw to Garrett Wilson,
you're an idiot, right like that that's on you. But
but it's like some of like the other pieces that
they have there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
And I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:28:18):
I just he just seems like such a head case
to me that I just it wouldn't surprise me if
he ends up phasing somebody out that that shouldn't be
phased out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
I can only hope for the worst. William and Philim,
what's up? William?

Speaker 8 (01:28:33):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (01:28:34):
Fred?

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
How you doing all right?

Speaker 23 (01:28:37):
I have I have so many things I want to say,
but I'm have to just piggy bank off with the
car is said, So that just knocked off what I
want to say. Basically, I'm with that car is staying
town too. I'm here, I'm looking at the roster too,
and i mean having in front of me, I'm going
at the roster, the schedule, and I'm just like everything,

(01:28:58):
everything y'all just said is everything seems Mike is based
off of if, well, what if Mike does this? What
if tykwarn Thorn does that? And what if Bill O'Brien
is just gssary and off And I'm sitting here like,
this is where we at now at this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Point, Yes, Williams, that is where we're at. We're a
team that hasn't been that good. So the first year
that we are good, things are going to have to
happen that haven't happened yet. So yeah, that's where we are.
That that's but that's the only way we're gonna get Like,
the guys are gonna have to get better. Like, yeah,

(01:29:33):
maybe we can draft of, you know, the next Tom Brady,
but that ain't happening like in the near future. So
in order to get good, Yeah, guys that they've signed
are gonna have to play to their potential. Young guys
that they drafted are gonna have to play well. And yeah,
that that's how they're gonna get better. It hasn't happened yet,
so you can't say, oh, we've seen it, so it

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will happen. No, it's it's based on hope, you know.

Speaker 23 (01:30:01):
It's just you know, it's I just don't want to
see this team take like four steps back again. I
don't want to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Absolutely no, you don't want that. But you're hoping that.
You know, when you draft Christian Gonzales and key On White,
that that's not stepping back. That's building for the future.
That's but it's home. You don't know Christian Gonzalez could
be a ballion. Yeah, but but you know that's that's it.

Speaker 23 (01:30:28):
That's why I like you know what I mean, You know,
you keep me on a positive.

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
It's sports, you know, but I do I want William
How old?

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
Are you just curious? I'm gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
I'm gonna because I'm I'm wearing this myself too, like
my thirty and under, like my age. We haven't been
through a rebuilt, like we've never experienced this before, right,
Like I and I think a lot and even people
that are older than me, I think forget right, Like
we just had to our calling and said he's been
a fan since Jim Plunkett. Like, so you don't remember

(01:31:03):
what it was like to be a mediocre team like that,
you know, like that right, Like you know, I just
that that I think is interesting that I do feel
like guess what, like, yes, you are like everybody else,
like you do have to hit on your draft picks
and you do have to hope things end up being
good instead of bad, and like that's just the way

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that life is when you don't have Tom Brady. Rightmore timeline, Yeah,
I mean we got one more things.

Speaker 23 (01:31:32):
Yeah, yeah, just one more thing that said. Look, I
know I call it there sometimes and it is not
so much towards you, but it's towards really uh, Evan,
And I not be busting your chops sometimes. Just no,
you know you're okay with.

Speaker 9 (01:31:45):
Me, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
They're a great car.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
But no, William, you've had some of the best calls.

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
Yeah, we love it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Great energy, so yell at us sometimes and that makes.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
Me I appreciate people like, well you absolutely, thank you, William.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Uh one more call then I got to go to
the bathroom.

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
Tina is in Indiana, What guys, nothing much?

Speaker 24 (01:32:10):
How are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Doing okay good.

Speaker 24 (01:32:13):
Uh listen, I just wanted to have a shout out
for the one email you read on Tuesday. I think
more women should write it and call in, and it
made me feel good. But my thing is is that
I I have learned so much from you guys listening
to your podcast. Now I can watch a game and
go they're.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
In cover two.

Speaker 24 (01:32:34):
So so thank you for all your all your teaching points.
I appreciate it. But my thing is, you're kind of
still on my thunder we were just talking about. But
you got to have hope. Hope you have nothing, you know,
Like I go to the Colts game because to see
the other teams basically, but I went to see I

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went to see them play Kansas City last year.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
They won.

Speaker 24 (01:32:58):
I mean, you just don't.

Speaker 9 (01:33:00):
Oh.

Speaker 24 (01:33:00):
I thought they were going to get their butt handed
to them and they didn't. So I just want to
tell everybody out there, you know we're gonna get a couple.
You know we're gonna be fine, and just.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Keep thanks for the quality. You know, here's where you
don't have hope. When your ownership or top management are
a bunch of idiots. That's when you don't have hope
because you just know they're going to screw it up.
We don't have to worry about that here. I mean,
Robert Kraft wants to win more than we do, and
he ain't gonna stop demanding that until it happens. So

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you know that gives you hope too. But when you
have incompetent management, then it trickles down and then I
can understand losing hope. But we don't have to worry
about that here.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
You're so right, and I mean I don't need to
name teams, but if you have an owner that doesn't
really want to win and just wants to kind of
make money, and you feel like, hey, even when we
actually do hit on these draft picks, that it's not
really gonna matter because they're not going to stay here anyway,
because this guy is not going to pay anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
The owner of the Boston Red Sox, you know, like oh,
like you know, you look at the Detroit Lions for years,
like the owners were kind of hands off, and so
they put Matt Millan as the GM and he's a
disaster and they just won't change it because he's a
nice guy. They like him and they don't want to
fire him. And so like you're a Lion fan AND's like,

(01:34:22):
what are we doing? We've got to do something, you know,
and that makes you lose hope, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
I mean we're you know, we we're still connected to
you know, the last twenty years. But I have full
confidence in you know, everything that the Crafts have done
for this team, for this area. I mean, I've said
it a hundred times. When I grew up, that stadium
was the scariest place on earth to me, and now it's,
you know, a place that you bring your kids in.
I mean, it's just a center to this whole area.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
So and it's no coincidence that tomorrow is payday.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
Hope that I'll still come through, but I mean, but
you know, everything aside and even working here, I mean,
it's just like that that to me, everything he's done
for this area. And I know how much he loves
this team, and I know how much Jonathan loves the team,
and I know that you know, when when it does
come time to move past Bill, that they're going to
have high expectations still and you know, old.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Them us said it, but the record of the team
is a reflection on them. They believe that. So like
if you're eight and nine. They're eight and nine. They
don't like that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
They don't like that, And I think that's what people forget.
And I mean you're using the Crafts as the example,
which of course is true, but I mean like Bill
wants to win too, like like I know, I know
in his heart, like it isn't always the way we
want it to be, and it's prickly, and you know,
sometimes it feels like he's got a middle fact that
I'll have with you on this because you know me
with Bill right now, he's on my radar.

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
The biggest thing with Bill is does he want to
win at all costs still? Or does he want to
win his way? Because the way where I think a
lot of trying to kind of put into perspective what
people's frustrations are or is that this feels like a
team that is going to have to win being fundamentally
sound in all three phases and not being themselves probably

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really above average to really really good on defense, and
have like an offense that can manage the game and
then and then win in the in the kicking game.
And I've heard a lot of like, oh, well, like
this is kind of you know, two thousand and one
was kind of like that, right where you have like
a quarterback that doesn't beat himself and it's okay, but
does that does that win at a high level anymore

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today's game?

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Does that?

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
Does that? Is that going to be good enough?

Speaker 5 (01:36:26):
If they are serviceable on offense and not you know,
not beating themselves on offense, really really good on defense
and they have that advantage on special teams that still
hold as much weight as it did twenty years ag And.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
How how long are you willing to not win to
prove yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Right? Right?

Speaker 9 (01:36:42):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
Because if I, if I, if Bill wants to win
at all costs, if that's like what the mantra is,
then he would have traded for Jerry Judy, or traded
for DeAndre Hopkins or you know, done some a couple
of bigger splash lits.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Truly believe that that's not gonna do it? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:37:02):
I think he does, truly.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
I'll be right back. I'll be quick.

Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
Well, I think he does truly believe that. I think
he does still truly believe that that you don't need
to light up the scoreboard to win like everybody else
thinks that you do or not everybody else, but a
lot of people do.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
But the question is is that is he right still?

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Well? Right, well, I mean and do you think it's
do you think that that I mean, you know, people,
do you think asking a seventy year old at the
top of his game, who has been at the absolute pinnacle,
that you have to change your whole philosophy now if
you really want to win, you know, and like, and
I'm not you know, I'm obviously I agree with what
you're saying. I think he thinks he's right, you know.

(01:37:40):
I think he's one hundred percent sure that football is
a cyclical game and things come back around, and yes,
right now all the rage is high scoring offenses, and
I you know, and then Paul, this is probably where
Paul would chime in with something like we always need
to be smarter than everybody else. But I think that
that's how he views it, you know, like like, and
we can talk talk about what I just I think

(01:38:01):
the bottom line for me is that it absolutely crushes
him every time this football team loses. Oh, I don't know.
And and you know, we can talk about how he
can do it, and we can say, yes, I do
expect an old coach if he wants to stay in
the league and continue to be successful, that you have to.
But I also think that he would feel like, I'm
just kind of following a fad right now instead of
trying to, you know, put my stamp on it and

(01:38:22):
do it my way. And you know, this is again
you're dealing with somebody though, who is like the pinnacle
of his profession. So it's hard to you know, go
to anybody in any profession and say, I know this
has been great, and you know you're probably the greatest
of all time to ever do this, but it's not
working right now. You've got to change It's that's a
huge thing.

Speaker 5 (01:38:38):
Like, yeah, I think that to do and I mean defensively,
I think that he has evolved and they're as good
as ever on defense. I honestly believe that. I think
that it's offensively and it's like from a team building
philosophy standpoint, and I know it's the college game versus
a pro game, so it's different. But I keep going
back to I think it was like twenty sixteen that

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Nick Saban said at a press conference good defense isn't
good enough anymore, Like you can't win like that anymore.
And that's when Alabama started recruiting all of the wide receivers, right,
and they became wide receiver you overnight, and they became
at school that had quarterbacks drafted in the first round.
Alabama never had quarterbacks drafted in the first round until

(01:39:21):
Tua and Mac Jones and then obviously Jalen Hurts the
second round pick. But all these guys start to come
through and now they're top picks. Bryce Young is the
number one overall pick a quarterback out of Alabama. That
wasn't the case fifteen years with physical questions right, like
they were, you know, starting like guys like you know,
you know, what's the guy that's now on ESPN that

(01:39:43):
does college football for the Brocket. I don't know, yeah, girlfriend,
yeah yeah, yeah no, yeah, but you know, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
Talking a J.

Speaker 5 (01:39:54):
McCarron of the world, right, Like they were starting those
types of quarterbacks and now all of a sudden they evolved.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
This still feels like we're starting the AJ mccarren's.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
With the right And I just wonder at what point,
like who is is it? Is it Saban? Is it
is it somebody else that can that maybe does get
through to Bill to be a little bit more offensive
focused and a little bit more high powered than that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Real difference, I would say between what Saban is saying,
which is true you just look at College in the pros,
is that you got to pay these guys in the pros.
So when you get Jerry Judy, you got to pay them.
You know, now College is starting to get that way,
but the school doesn't have to. They get everybody else

(01:40:36):
to pay them.

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
You know, it's just ridiculous when you look at because
there was a really clear line of demarcation with Alabama
where that that switch flipped in Saban's brain, like we
have to we have to light up the scoreboard, like
if we're gonna win, we have to do this. And
all of a sudden, they had wide receiver rooms that
were ridiculous, just like Jerry Judy, DeVante Smith, Henry Ruggs,

(01:40:59):
Jalen Waddle all in the same wide receiver room. And
because they realize that we have to put up points,
there's no other way to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Joshua and Irvine says, I'd just like to say, I
believe this team has a rock bottom floor of eight wins,
and we have a really good shot at eleven. In
twenty fifteen to nineteen, the Patriots went from going all
in to maximize Brady's window, and we have spent the
last threeish year's cleaning house, getting rid of contracts and
building a good staff again after all we lost. Please

(01:41:31):
to the fans listening in, please chill out and give
this team a chance. The constant crying and complaining into
the show gets tiring. Take a five hundred foot bird's
eye view of the last eight or so years, and
especially the circumstances after Brady left. The Patriots are far
from being in a bad position. We could be much better. Yes,
but we're not the Jets, we're not the Commanders, and

(01:41:53):
we're not the Texans, etc.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
Yeah, just go back to Bill for a second. I
mean I for me, I put it like, I know
we're talking kind of schematic evolution.

Speaker 4 (01:42:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
I also just I put so much weight on the
miss drafts, like and we talked about Keen and as like,
I just I think that they have messed up those
drafts to epic degree. And I think to a large degree,
like what you said overcoming it was, you know, almost
a feather in the cap of like this is an
eight nine team with an offense that doesn't even know
what they're doing out there. So to me, I just

(01:42:28):
think that that's something that I continue to harp on.
It's just the drafts and if these young kids start
to play, and you know, like William calt In, if
these guys start to play and elevate and Marcus Jones,
and you know, like this is how you get out
of the basement. Like there's not like, well, this offseason,
we bought a whole new team. We went out and
just signed fifty three free agents and we rebuilt front,
you know, and now we have suit Like it just

(01:42:48):
doesn't work that way.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
I mean even the Rams, who they've done that, they
they you know, but but they also drafted really they
hit on it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
When they have a first round pick, they pick Aaron
Donald and when they're taking flyers, they get Cooper, you know,
like those they just had. The Patriots haven't had those picks.
And you know, if you're taking Gronk and Edelman out
of the equation, if you took Chandler Jones and Dante
Hytower out of the equation, they wouldn't have had three
more Super Bowls. You know, Like they drafted well in
that kind of in between period yea, and they were
able to.

Speaker 5 (01:43:15):
Restart it just last year. Just all just holds such
a weight on this team because I think a big
reason why you know, we all wanted the number one
wide receiver trade like we all wanted it. We wanted
Jerry Judy. You know, I was lukewarm on Hopkins. Some
people might be higher on that type of move for
at his age and others, but that move would have

(01:43:37):
made sense. You know that That's always the cherry on top,
right when you have everything else, like you feel like
everything else is in a good enough place that you
can compete at a high level and then you drop
aj Brown in, and you drop Stefon digs in, and
you drop you know, players of that caliber in. But
the Patriots, because they went backwards last year this offseason,

(01:43:58):
it still feels like they're still building up to that point.
And the bummer that I think is, you know, to
be a little bit pessimistic, is that now the Mac
Jones window on the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
We've got to figure Mac Jones out. We've got to
figure out at the end, you know, by the end
of the season, we need we need to know, we
need to know if he's the guy, Howard writes in
from Connecticut. He says, God, I hate fans like Paul
and Speed. Look, I get there, entitled to their opinions,
but come on, why even be a fan if that

(01:44:30):
is your view of the team. Well, who'said ever said?
Paul's a fannd I have been a fan since Jim
Plunkett was the qbing view each year as new and exciting.
Specific to this year, you have to believe that the
AL is going to be dramatically better with real coaching
and an influx of talent. I'm not sure where the
influx of talent is, but anyway, uh D will be

(01:44:50):
better with new talent and speed, and they can now
contend with and contain those high power offenses. Well, let's
wait and see. I get this. I get that they
are most likely not winning or even making the AFC
Championship or Super Bowl, but you never know. I expect
them to go ten and seven and with a little luck,
eleven and six games are won by a handful of plays.

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Last year, those plays went against the Patriots. Maybe this year,
with the new talent and coaching, they bounced the Patriots way.
Who really knows, but damn the negativity from Patriots fans
is draining and sad. Look at the Jets haven't won
anything and he didn't use that word since nineteen sixty nine,
and yet their fans think every year is the year.
The negative New England fans are, in my honest opinion,

(01:45:33):
ridiculous and sad. Why even bother rooting for the team,
then go root, then go root for another team?

Speaker 5 (01:45:40):
Okay, Okay, well I don't I wouldn't go that far
because I'm not going to tell people who to root for.
But I do understand that the fan base, some people
in the fan base want this to just be what
it was, you know with Brady Overnight in Ninatut you're
right again, just like they just that just not like
you said, in perpetuity, like that's not realistic, Like welcome,

(01:46:03):
welcome to the reality. Like this is what it's like
to be a realistic football fan, is that your team
is not We're not just talking about the Waltz to
the AFC Championship Game every year.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
It's funny as I think of like where we are,
and you know, every team's in a different spot, but
I just imagine, like you know, kind of where Buffalo
is right now of like you feel like, look, we
got the guy, we got the pieces. You can maybe
see some cracks, like von Miller's coming back, but he's old.
You know, you just lost the linebacker. You know, like
like it's just it's so hard to keep it together
and like as much as you know, it's just a

(01:46:37):
common refrain. Now, well Bill tom Brady the whole time,
like all right, well Tom Brady's a great quarterback, but
there have been other great quarterbacks that aren't twenty year
contenders consistently year in and year out. And that I
think was a testament to the draft that they had,
you know, and the ability to continue keeping it going.
And yes, Brady is awesome and was certainly a huge

(01:46:58):
part of it, but they're you know, look at Aaron
Rodgers and the ups and downs of his careers and
the bad years that he had. You know, the Bill
does deserve some of that credit, but there's a lot
that's where you get back now, that get back on
that train to draft in those star players.

Speaker 4 (01:47:11):
I love Buffalo.

Speaker 5 (01:47:12):
I loveless watching their fan base on Twitter and stuff
like that. To the big thing in Buffalo right now
is what is Dalton kincate. Is he a tight end?
Is he a slot receiver? Because because a big, large
part of their fan base thinks that they needed a
wide receiver, and they draft they drafted a tight end.
But then the the you know, the people that think

(01:47:33):
they're smarter than everybody. Doctor, Well, he is the smartest
slot receiver. He's just in a tight end. But it's
it's just great. They're imploding from the inside.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
Jack And says, I was a fan of Detroit until
the Lions extended Matt Millan's contract as general manager after
Millen had just presided over the worst five years in
the history of the league. In response, I did something.
I became a Patriots fan. There you go, welcome to
the club, you go.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
It's just it's I mean, that's where where I was
at when when things were humming here, it was just
all right, you know, we just how do we get
But when you've never gotten over, like you started this
whole dynasty run with a win, so you already had
gotten there once, so it was always just a matter
of getting back. But for a team like Buffalo, where
it's just like you have to get one right, Like
you got to get a Super Bowl with Josh Allen
and every year and even we saw with Brady it's

(01:48:20):
like every year has their own challenges and Dan Marino right,
like you just.

Speaker 5 (01:48:24):
You just never know if you're Buffalo. Sorry, I just
love making fun of Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
Let's get to the a ticket hutline. Eldred's on the phone.
What's up? Eldred caused a ten car? What's up? I
was driving down four yesterday there was like a fire
in the Median, you know, like in the for you know,

(01:48:53):
the foresty strip between the It was like a fire
going on.

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
And nobody else were there and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Fire department, Yeah, control burn anyway, go ahead, Eldred. I'm
sure you've seen over the years.

Speaker 9 (01:49:05):
I want to I want to address that last emailer
or Whippy doing the fans because they mad because they're losing,
or they whipping and crying. Well, hell, I'm one of them, okay,
and I've been a fan that Steve Grogan's Grogan's year,
Rose Rby prior saying Bam Cunningham all them.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Okay, you know, but but my problem is.

Speaker 9 (01:49:25):
Whatever was talking about earlier is still you know, he
don't see it the way it used to.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Be, like like it is changing.

Speaker 9 (01:49:32):
He still think it's back in the nineties and you
really can't win that way. You know, you're gonna need
that number one guy or you know, some talent. And
then the draft, wh you said you missed on Deuce, Well,
some of the guys that you drafted that that you
are homegrown whatever. You didn't give him the second contract.
You know, like, well when do you coming up? You

(01:49:52):
know there's there's supposed to be some of your core,
but you let them go to another team. And then
when you do sign them, and that's no, that's the
more rather than the team. That's one day that they
get me first rate, the mostly field, the GM part, Yeah,
coach love him. Jam I can't stand it.

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
But yeah, I'm with Algra one hundred percent on the
twenty twenty draft class. Guys, you finally hit on some
players in the draft after such a long period of
time where you had him run and yeah, josh U
j might only be like a situational type player.

Speaker 3 (01:50:25):
He is our situation.

Speaker 5 (01:50:27):
But he's fantastic at his thing right, Like he's a
really an elite pass rusher. He's a top end of
talent at that position, in that role. And Kyle Duggart,
there's Kyle Duggers should never wear another uniform, like you know,
like Kyle, Kyle Dugger should be here for the next
four years, just like he was here for the first four.

(01:50:47):
And those are the type of guys that you gotta resign.
Well anyway, I like, but he's a guard. So if
you want to let go of the guard then and
that's where you're gonna cut costs. And I can live
with it. But Dugger and j are two guys that
you should resign.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
And it's hard on the on the shields of the
twenty nineteen draft. That was a that was an over right.

Speaker 9 (01:51:05):
But that's that's my biggest greg with Grill with Bill,
he just you know, he said, it's still back at him.
And like I said, I'm gonna be honest with you,
don't care if somebody get mad at me and knock
and I had his out on the Facebook patron future.
If he din't have Tom Brady, he'd be like Cleveland,
he'd be out, he'd be out. And I'm still gonna
stay there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
All right, you know, Okay, all right, I'll think, Hey,
all right, Aldrick, keep on trucking.

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
Paul was out on Bill in like twenty sixteen, they're
voting the Lombard.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
That is a good question when he was out on him.
It's funny because I came in when it was already kind.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Of uh, Paul writes in I just thought you might
find this humorous. Antonio Brown has recently purchased the local
Albany Empire Arena football team. His father, Touchdown Eddie Brown,
played for the Albany team twenty years ago and still
lives in the area. Since purchasing the team a few
months ago, he has been through three head coaches. Keep
in mind, the team won the championship the last two seasons.

(01:52:03):
He named his father of the GM. He's been accused
of stiffing the team dinner bill at a local restaurant.
He was involved in an altercation with security guards at
his own arena. There was a fistfight on the team bus,
and he showed up uninvited at my son's local high
school to promote the team on TikTok. Apparently he plans
to actually play for the team this weekend. Here's hoping

(01:52:24):
it doesn't go any better.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
Oh my gosh, yeah, Antonio Brown, Where were you when
they signed Antonio Brown? Here with the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
That was like a what the man needs some therapy?

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
He worried about John Morant.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
Way, you gotta just put the guns away, man?

Speaker 18 (01:52:42):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
Yeah, a quick game?

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
Where did I go to college? Patriots version? Ray Agnew.

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
Way before my time?

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
Wake Forest, North Carolina State, Max Lane. Come on, now,
he didn't finish.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
Iowa Navy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Bobby Hamilton, No.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
Paul is not here.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
So these are all right a little a little bit
more recent Keith Evans, auburn An, Matthew Slater, okay, and
then one more old guy but maybe you know Steve Grogan.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
Oh, it's not like a weird one.

Speaker 21 (01:53:25):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
No, Kansas State, Kansas State.

Speaker 18 (01:53:28):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:53:28):
I should have known that one. I knew that that duce.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Let's see. Jake writes in from Australia. Uh trust us
to lose two days of o t as for reasons
that aren't available yet. But since then they've come out
just wondering if now O'Brien is in whom we trust
to save us? Do we know now say that Bill
O'Brien and Bill O'Brien we trust or in teapot we
trust as we can't say Bill, because that gives us.

(01:53:57):
It gives too much credit to b b okay, so
he's so in other words, what do how do we
phrase it?

Speaker 6 (01:54:04):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
I don't know. I just want to see some wins.
I want to see some wins over some good teams,
and you know, like I don't I don't care. I'll
give credit af towards And if the offense is all
of a sudden, I'm like lightening it up.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
I'll be like in Bill O'Brien, we trust.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
But if it's still kind of the same thing and
the defense is shutting them down and then it's opportunistic
at the end and pull it out like an old fashion,
then all right and billbi trust.

Speaker 2 (01:54:23):
Also, I'm expecting my second child in the next couple
of weeks and we're stuck for names. Any suggestions from
the legends on board today? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:32):
Naming kids is tough.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Don't don't name your kid a name for like a
child name, you know what I mean, like Cody, and
like Cody.

Speaker 10 (01:54:46):
We had a lot of Cody's fans, but like, like,
assume that your child's going to become a man or
a woman someday and don't name It's like you don't
name them something that only applies.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
To a kid in grade school.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
You just go straight to Jack, you know, like Jack,
and he's like a four year old name that he
can live with. I mean, my kids are Tyson and Campbell.
We wanted things that weren't like very common, but weren't
like really off the beaten path. So you know, we
went with American food companies for whatever reason.

Speaker 4 (01:55:14):
Okay, but I do call him Campbell soup.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
Well, you got pretty soupy.

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
I didn't think it's like, I'm not gonning to call
him chicken fingers.

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
He's like chicken, yeah, chicken. Yeah, you got a new
Jason in your life.

Speaker 5 (01:55:27):
You have a Jason.

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
Yeah, yeah, I uh so.

Speaker 5 (01:55:30):
My sister's name is Jackie and her husband's name is James.
Congratulations to the parents. Six pounds six ounces, twenty inches long, lot,
which is so he's he's built like my my sister's
husband's family. We are not going you're not skinny and
tall people.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
I think I think there's something to be said about
naming your kid somebody from your family, you know, yeah,
giving honor to somebody. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:55:53):
So Jason's named after my great uncle Jerry.

Speaker 4 (01:55:56):
And he's something too, that's nice.

Speaker 5 (01:55:57):
Yeah, And then his his name middle name is Carter,
which is after James's mother.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
You know, So I'm gonna name our daughter Zoe because
she's gonna be a free spirit. Like she's also gonna
be a woman. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:10):
You gotta get some more friends. We need some little
friends out there, and there are a lot of little
Freddie's out there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
Fred's.

Speaker 4 (01:56:16):
I think it's coming around.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
I can't understand why someone wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
Name there, but that'd be cute. I feel like it's coming, like,
you know, now you'd see a little people, Well, what's
his name for? This is Freddie? I don't know, Like
you know, there's like Gertrude's and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
When my mother wouldn't let any of my friends call
me Freddy, No Frederick.

Speaker 5 (01:56:33):
Yeah yeah, so Jason, Jackie, James. So they kept with
the j's, which I like, I pushed Julian I wanted
Julian didn't get that. Still, and then there's a j
too many James.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
Uh yeah, I need some of those fans. They have
like ten kids, and every kid's first letter is the same,
like the Kardashian Bobby Billy.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
Yeah, that's well, that's the goodwill hunting thing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Well yeah, Bobby Bicky al right.

Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
The other one good one is in ted with the
trying to name.

Speaker 5 (01:57:08):
Yeah the Boston girl the two names yeah favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
All right, anyway, one more email spee again, he says,
I'm so sorry that deludedly positive email or is having
such a bad day. The hate is mutual. Listener on
listener crime is a Cherish tradition. We love it.

Speaker 15 (01:57:25):
We do love it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
All right, We're gonna wrap it up for this Memorial
Day weekend show. I hope everybody has a good weekend.
Catch twenty two is coming up at their regular time
because we lost an ota, so Alex is here.

Speaker 9 (01:57:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
They will dive into more Jay names on the next
EPI show, So stay tuned for Catch twenty two right now.

Speaker 4 (01:57:49):
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