Patriots Unfiltered 5/4: Scouting the 2023 Draft Class, Mike Vrabel voted to Patriots Hall of Fame

Tune-in as we do a deep dive into the Patriots 2023 Draft class as we've talked with several of the draft picks college coaches. We set some expectations for what to expect from the 2023 Draft class. Plus, Mike Vrabel is voted to Patriots Hall of Fame and we discuss his best moments as a Patriot.

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more about football than Bill Belichick and wants Bill Belichick gone.
That's to me a little bit of a disconnect.

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Bill out, and you didn't disagree.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
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I was hoping we could get him to dress up
like Han Solo.

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what like his buddy hair or what incoherent babble that
was what I was.

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You can get through it. And they're like, no, I
know what he said.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
I'm not part of this in any way.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
All right, Well, we'll be here for the next two
hours talking Patriots, getting going a little bit on the draft. Guys,
and Evan's been writing a lot of film reviews. We've
all been talking to their coaches, so we're getting some
more insight onto those players. But I think the big
news of the day to start off with was Mike
Rabel was announced yesterday as the what was it, the
twenty thirty thirty four, four thirty fourth, Yeah, thirty fourth,

(03:09):
that sounds right to me, inductee into the Patriots Hall
of Fame. I did a big rant about it. Well deserved.
He's been you know, on the finalist committee for finalist
list for too long. So nice seven times a charm
for the coach from Tennessee. So we'll see how it
all works out in terms of ceremonies and all that
kind of stuff to get Rabes into the Hall of Fame.
But when you look at that, you know, first dynasty,

(03:32):
he was just such a key part of that defense,
such a key part of just the attitude and also
just one of those guys that kind of started this
trend of you know, getting a guy from another team
that And I don't want to mistate it because talking
of Rabel, you know, he had an opportunity to go
back to Pittsburgh. It wasn't like he just fell off
the map there. I think it was just who was
the name of the outside linebacker that just beat him?
Who everybody knows who's awesome. Not before Joey Porter, like

(03:53):
who there was an outside linebacker. I'm blanking on his name,
one of the one of the famous Steelers that came
in with Raby. Maybe maybe, but you know he said,
I think very said he got a little quicker than me,
so it opened up an opportunity to come here to
New England. But I do think he embodies some of that.
You know, hey, we get a guy who maybe he
signing free agency, not a lot of buzz, but he
comes in and ends up, you know, just being a

(04:14):
core championship piece for I think it was seven or
eight years that he was here.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah, I think it was a great pick. I think
to me, of the three finalists, he clearly stood above
the other two.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
I think all three are deserving.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
I wouldn't have to get into that, but I think
Rabel was clearly the choice out of those three, and
I'm glad he finally got in. It will be interesting
you sort of touched on this mic. It'd be interesting
to see how we're able to honor him with the
ceremony since he is an active head coach in the league.
Wouldn't necessarily think it would be the normal like late
July early August timeframe, So we'll see how they get

(04:50):
that done.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
It's too bad they couldn't do joint practices here and
just bang them out in the summer, you know, like afternoon.
I think rumors headed to Tennessee. Maybe rumors headed to Packers.
We can talk about that as well. But yeah, I'm
just happy for Vrabel And it just felt of all
the guys to kind of string along, he's like the
worst because he just he has no filter, like he's
just gonna call it like guys.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
So that that's sort of what I'm looking forward to is, well,
it took me seven times to get in guys, like
thanks very much. He's a he's a ballbuster, right, so
he's he's totally gonna gonna feed into that. So that
should be good. And I think his speech when he
does go in is going to be fantastic. He's one
of those guys that that commands a room and it

(05:31):
can really head coach you can can speak, but I'm
interested to see what he how much he says, because
he's a head coach for a rival AFC team, and
I would think that a lot of the things that
he did as a as a player, just tactically schematically.
Probably a lot that going on in Tennessee for the
guys that play on the end of the line. So

(05:51):
I'm curious to see how much he opens up about
some of the things that went on in his playing
career from that perspective. But he's going to have a
great a great speech, I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah. One of the things I in Teddy Bruski's book
was interesting just talking about Rabel, how he really said,
I really didn't like him. I really didn't like Rabel
very much when they first started interacting, and I mean,
I think he can can probably see why I don't.
Maybe you can speak.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Well, they actually had a big falling out and sort
of toward the end.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
As well.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, they didn't get along because Mike was exactly the
way I even't described. Mike was a professional ball buster
and Teddy was always really serious. So I think that
they Yeah, I think they clashed a little bit in that,
but then they got close. And then Bruski had his
health scare with you know, the stroke and everything that
went along with it, and Mike is the same all

(06:38):
the time. Mike just kept with the ball busting and
Teddy didn't like it, and then they sort of hashed
it out, and I think they're still pretty close now.
But yeah, I mean those some of the stories that
you hear over the years of you know, he used
to make fun of the stroke. Everything was was fair
game to Mike, I mean, and it was like you

(06:58):
you like, yeah, I was spare game too. I mean,
he he did it to Bill Belichick. I you know,
I have a couple of stories that I could tell,
but they're not really suitable for the air. Just he
had one of those personalities either loved him or hated him,
and I loved him, Yeah, absolutely loved him.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Me too. I just enjoyed watching him play. I mean,
the two thousand and five things. I don't know how
much aware of it you were at the time, Evan,
when he you know, moved to the inside. They'd signed
Monty Basil and Chad Brown, and you you go from hey,
we got Teddy Bruski and Ted Johnson Roman Fifer on
the inside, like, you know, this great trio, and then
all of a sudden, it's money Basil and and Chad
Brown trying to go to the inside, and it was

(07:37):
it was a disaster. The two thousand and five. I
think they got smoked by the Chargers here at home,
and that felt like it was, you know, not going
in a great direction. But then Vrabel kind of slid
inside and was able to pick up the slack in there,
so did a lot I think I was. I was
also too just to bring it up. I was surprised
when he got traded. That was I think that was
one of the more weird, weirder endings for a player

(07:57):
of his kind of caliber here when he was just
kind of almos thrown in as I want to say,
an afterthought, but almost just like a bag of pucks,
you know, like a bag of extra bag of ball. Well,
we'll give you Matt Castle, but hey, we'll throw the
Mike Rabel too. I think some of the light that
was shine on that later was you know, Rabel saying
it was an opportunity for me to go to another
organization and learn from other coaches and you know, start

(08:17):
to really kind of build his foundation for coaching. That
that he went to Ohio State and et cetera.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Yeah, it was a little bit of a strange trade,
but you know, you wonder if Kansas City wanted a
little something more you know, for the second round pick.
But yeah, I mean it was kind of a disappointing
ending to his career. And they all talk about it,
most of them. That's how it ends.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, you know, most of them don't.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Get to write the final chapter exactly the way they
want it, you know.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
But it all worked out. Just a call from Bill. Ye,
we traded you. That's that's right, And that's kind of
well I should say too. No, I got three of
the Green teamers here, Celtics. Are we all feeling pretty
good right now? Guys?

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Yeah, I mean that was the appropriate That was the
appropriate response, right, I don't know, you tell me, Paul, Yeah,
you know, play to your capabilities, that's all anybody asks.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, the Celtics are fine, Celtics. I already have them
in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
And how are you doing, Evan? About the Bruns. We
didn't bring it up on Tuesday this time, but you know.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's tough.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
You know, what do you know?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
What's tough is is that last night I'm watching the
Celtics do their thing and I'm excited, but there's part
of me that's like this is supposed to be with
the brunt on something, right, This is like they were
supposed to do this together. You know, this this is
not this was not supposed to be a a one
car race here right, Like this was supposed to be
two racing together. So it does hurt that that the

(09:40):
Celtics are are the alone show again, just like last year. Honestly. So, yeah,
it's been it's been a tough couple of days in
the in the Lizargart and you know what, it's funny,
it's a film study it for me, I've been busy,
so that that definitely helps. But it hit to you
like weirdly, just at weird times, or you're just like, oh,

(10:04):
craft like that happened, sounds like a breakoup.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
Yeah, you have to keep yourself busy after a breakout. Yeah,
but in some song, I want you to really focus
on yourself the next time.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Like Evin was just like he's walking through the grocery
store and Zombie Nation came on and he was like,
oh god.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I you know, I've always been a big Bruins fan.
I've always watched the majority of their games, but this
regular season was just so electric. It was much must
watch TV every single game. I mean I'd say that
we probably watched eighty of eighty two regular season games
this year. I mean it was every night, you know,
and then we went to a bunch of games too,

(10:37):
So this one hurt. It did it hurt?

Speaker 4 (10:40):
We don't need to be labor it and thank you.
I should mention too, Evan, and I think Alex will
head out. We're gonna hear from Mike Kasiki today, another
free agent and the line of free agents. We talked
to Juju on Tuesday, and now they're also going to
do a conference call with Mike Rabel. Uh, you know,
get his reaction, which I think we're we're all looking
forward to. And then I would say, Alex, what have

(11:02):
you been up to, because you've been out and about
with a lot of different social stuff, a lot of
different players that have been hanging around. Yeah, this's going
on to see.

Speaker 7 (11:08):
Our team had at an event every single day leading
up to the draft, so I'm just trying to come
down after the last couple of weeks. But yeah, I
actually got to meet a lot of the new guys
last week, the free agents, new signings at this awesome
video game event that was put on for children and
military families. So that was a good way for guys

(11:30):
like Josechi Juju to kind of get acquainted to all
the stuff we have going on here off the field.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
For them get ready. And I know and I saw,
I just saw some footage of Christian Gonzalez. He's back
working out. I know we've all been talking to to
various coaches as we get caught up. Is there anything
so far that you guys would like to share that
you've you've.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
A better Evan question, and then I haven't really been
able to touch base with any of my guys.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, I can, I can, I can, and I know
you did.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
You did Gonzalez, Gonzalez tomorrow, Douglas and Tony Maffei yesterday
with with his offensive line coach at U c l A.
I think the biggest one with Gonzalez, I had a
pretty good talk with A Demetrius Martin and we'll we'll
publish it with all the quotes and everything here in
the next couple of days. But just about his demeanor,

(12:17):
you know, his his play temperament. I think there's a
lot of question marks about his physicality and about his competitiveness.
And he's a more he's a subdued guy, He's a
he's a quiet, soft spoken person. He's not Richard Sherman.
He's not a raw, raw in your face. I'm the
greatest thing ever type of corner. And I think the
big thing that that Martin said, unprompted, said to me

(12:42):
was a lot like Stefan Gilmour. And I had already
thought of that when we sat down with him when
he came in that Friday after the draft. But I
didn't want to put that on the kid, to be like, oh,
he's gonna be like Stefan Gilmore, because you know that
that's a lot of expectation. But I think that from

(13:02):
a personality standpoint, he has this quiet confidence about him
that was very similar to Steph. When you were in
a scrum with Steph, you couldn't hear him, I know,
but when if you were in the front, if you
were in the front of the scrum and you actually
listen to the things that he was saying, the dude
was cocky.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
He was very cocky.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
He was my favorite interview in all the years because of.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
That fantastic I love talking ball with him. He was
awesome and he he would just come right out and
say it, you know. I remember after they played the
Eagles in Philly that game that Brady was grumpy afterwards
because the offense didn't play well, but they still won
the game, and in a couple of key situations they
moved Gilmour on to zach Ertz just because that was
the Phillies go to guy on third down. They didn't

(13:50):
really have anybody on the outside at the time, and
he basically just said it was easy. He was like,
you know, Gilmore was like, well, it's much easier than
covering a receiver. He's slow, you know, he's slow.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
I used to do things I used to do, like
matchups for you know, key matchups during the week heading
into games, and I remember talking to him about one
in particular, and I'm not going to say the name,
but you know, I was like, you know, so, you know,
what is what kinds of challenges does he you know?

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Present? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:18):
He said none, yeah, yeah, only it was yeah, none, really,
you know, that's how he said. It was like Richard
Sherman would be at a podium saying, you know, Michael
cap Crabtree, you can't put a.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Sorry receiver on you know.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
Yeah, Steph was saying the same thing, just coming across
an entirely different.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I think I know who you're talking about, but we
don't have to say the name.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Okay, he's not on the team. Now, I don't know
this guy. I just do it. Now, why would you
automatically go there?

Speaker 8 (14:49):
I know?

Speaker 3 (14:50):
But yeah, no, I the guy that I know that
he said that about is not on the team.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Okay, good, Yeah, because I was thinking back to J. C.
Jackson kind of rolling his eyes. Yeah yeah, somebody else.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, but that was the big takeaway from that one,
I felt like. And the other thing that he mentioned,
which I thought was as soon as he said this,
I was like, oh god, this is so patriot like.
He he said that he kept Gonzalez's notebooks to show
freshmen coming in this is how you take notes during meetings.
And he said that Gonzalez's notebooks were organized, color coded,

(15:25):
like everything just you know, completely perfect. And he was like,
you know that, that's what I want my young guys
to emulate. And obviously, with Gonzalez being a first round pick,
it's easy to get guys on board when you say, hey,
this is what Christian Gonzales did and look at where
it got him. And these guys come in and they say, well,
I want to be drafted in the first round too,

(15:46):
so they go ahead and they mimic it. That was
the big thing from him, I think, you know, with
with Mafi, we talked a lot about Bill Belichick's relationship
with Chip Kelly and how after the Shrine Bowl Coach
Belichick called Coach Kelly and they had a long talk
about some of the U c l A guys and

(16:07):
Mafi's name was one of the big names.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
That that was Bbo one of the big names too.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
He didn't mention anybody else.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
He just said it, and I'll just assume it was.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
I don't right because in my back of my head,
I was thinking DTR, you know, Bobo like the other
what did he What did he say about DTR because
they obviously didn't draft I don't think he was at
the Shrine Bowl, but he was a LA running back
and uh and he said that, you know, based off
of the conversations he had with Chip, that that you know,

(16:37):
Coach Belichick was really really high on on Mafy coming
off the Shrine Bowl. So one of those guys that
if you had known that back then, he would have
been in all of our ur mock drafts, you know,
for the next six months. So that was interesting trying
to think who was the to Mario Douglas. I got
a lot of you know, Marcus Jones, but on offense, right,

(17:01):
those types of plays maybe not quite as dynamic as
Marcus in the open field. But that's the idea that
a lot of people thought of. And one thing that
was interesting about him was that the Patriots went into
the Shrine Bowl wanting to coach to Mario Douglas, and
the Shrinebral director Eric Galco said to me, you know,
they said they had to me a list of like

(17:21):
ten to fifteen guys. Most of them were guys that
were big names that were going to get drafted in
the first you know, three or four rounds of the draft,
and then randomly they just had to Mario Douglas on
the list. And he just said, I had to tip
my cap, like that's good scouting, Like this kid is
a good player, and you know, so they had him
on the radar because of the Malik Willis season the

(17:44):
year before, and they wanted to coach him as well.
So a couple of guys there from the Shrine Bowl
that I think the Patriots were all over, even back
in January.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
I've done a couple. I talked to Timpu's coach, who
was his defensive coordinator at Sacramento State and then was
promoted the head which this last year. But interestingly enough
grew up with with Drew Bledsoe. His dad, coroached with
Drew Bledsoe and in Walla Wallace, of course, I had
you know.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
There's so many Patriots connections.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Well, I know, I wrote a whole little thing about
it with Sam Mateo and and Mafi, you know, going
to to the school with where Brady went. Of course,
Junior Sea, the Junior Se connection, which was another thing
that Devon cousin. Devon cousin, Yeah, City Sat was talking
about all the Patriots fans up in Quebec. But I

(18:28):
stopped listening after he said he was a Canadians fan.
Like I don't, I don't care what you have to
say that there should be some fun in the in
the locker room this year with that, with him being
a Canadians fan.

Speaker 7 (18:39):
To speak French too, he speaks beautiful French.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Well, it's a beautiful language. And I've reached out to
Deon Sanders because I mean, I think everybody probably saw
Isaiah Bolden. The tweet about Isaiah Bolden that Deon Sanders
put out, I'm not I'm not hoping to you know,
get get him reached out to, you know, Jackson State's
new head coach as well, who was with the team
last year. But you know, these are the kind of
things we do. After the draft, We try to, you know,

(19:03):
reach out to these coaches and I mean, you always
gets as Paul jokes, you know, you get a very
favorable opinion of these guys. Of course, they love their guys,
they wanted to do well, but it's it's just interesting
to learn about their journey to getting to this.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yeah, that's why, like when I talk to them, I'm
less interested in what they think of them as players,
although obviously I asked those questions, but I'm more interested in,
you know, the personality and their interactions with their teammates
and the background.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really I'm the same way. It's
just tell me the story of the player, because these guys,
there's no way that we're going to know some of
the details that these coaches are going to know. And
it's cool to hear a lot, you know. Demetrius Martin
told me that he tried to recruit Gonzales to Arizona
originally and didn't get them. He ended up committing to Colorado,

(19:47):
and then it just so happens that Martin ended up
getting a job at Colorado a year later and then
ended up coaching Gonzales for three years anyway, So it
just kind of those connections and how those types of
things tend to work out. And then tomorrow I got
a Jim Nagy on UH. He's gonna give me a
call and we're gonna talk about uh, Jake Andrews and

(20:08):
some of the Senior Bowl guys and see what he
has to say about the draft in general. As an
ex Patriot exec scout, I.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Interested to see what they say about Mapu because I
mean that was something I talked to his coach about.
He was a late call up and I made some impression.
I mean, you should check out Evans piece that he
wrote about him today. A lot of focus on his
performance there in the practice. I think he only played
a half. That we got a little bit of an injury.
I mean, I know that's a concern about the torn peck.
He said he should be available by training camp, but

(20:36):
otherwise very durable player played. He's the coach said, he's
every game, every practice. He was always there and got
a little bit of interesting bits to talk to. Eastern
Michigan coach Course City sou and Uh and the kicker
Chad Ryland both spent time there. I can't keep track
all these guys. There's too many, well, twelve is too many.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Also, the nil situation and all these guys training, like
Gonzales was two years at Colorado then or again, and
no one's at one school for all four.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Of my guys. I think we're at multiple schools.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
I really like what the coach said about Ryland though
the quote I share what Paul was. He said he
came out of the womb mature, like he's just a
mature kid, unflappable in I mean, it's all the things
you would hope from a kicker. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
I don't know. I just I haven't seen him and
I haven't met him, but he looked he looked really
young to me. That's why I'm trying to like kind
of circle all that back of like he's really mature,

(21:29):
but he looks like he's like fourteen.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
It is one of those things that you'll start now
that you're starting to get a little older, Mike, you'll
stuck a little bit.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Just how much younger they all look. I appreciate that.

Speaker 7 (21:38):
I already feel because when I started doing this, I'm
like the same age as these guys, maybe even younger
in some cases.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
And now I'm just like, wait till you're older than
every professional athlete currently playing.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't think you and I can talk quite yet.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Your veterans, your veteran age now though, Like if you're
playing sports, you're not the You're not the young bucks.

Speaker 7 (21:59):
I am d or twise his age, Yeah, we're the
same age.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
How I think about this a lot with with players
like Matthew Judah and I are roughly the same age.
Matthew Judah, Like, I'm just I'm just like what wait what.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Or you see these guys that were born in like
two thousands? Yeah, like I was, I was already an adult.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah yeah, I just look at Judaan and I look
at myself and I'm like, where this Like I'm a
child in comparison size wise?

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah? Right?

Speaker 5 (22:27):
And I just think Brandon Merriweather was the first guy
that I watched him, you know, when we had the
whole Dog and Pony show on the field when they
you know, Robin and Jonathan bring him out and I
was looking, I was like, he's a baby, and that
was what seven yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
So that's when it kind of like hit to me,
like I'm way I mean, obviously I was older than
all of them at the start, but I'm way older
than all of these guys now. And it's like, I
don't think anything more and more pronounced every year.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
I don't think anything's as striking as that introduction, just
because I think it's usually a kid who isn't used
to that, like being put on the on the stage
and you know, and it's funny because the Q and
A they don't even like they give him a microphone
and no one goes near them. It's almost like the
audience it's so strange. Ask some questions like hello, Christian,
thank you for coming, Like, well, what do you think.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
He's on the stage in front of like twenty people?
Maybe who are I mean, I've seen him twenty five
feet behind him.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
I've seen him coll and Mac and just each one
of those guys. It's just like, oh my god, they
are babies and this is you know, you just you
forget that these kids seem so young, and yet they've
got to go into the NFL and deal with like
these giant, mean guys. I mean, I think key On
White looks ready to deal with it, but someone like
Christian Cane.

Speaker 7 (23:41):
I was doing some stalking on social media also trying
to get acquainted with these players for my own pieces.
I saw tweet from the official Gardner High School lacrosse
account congratulating lacrosse a lum key On White for getting drafted,
and I can't find anything else about him playing.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Lacrosse in high schools.

Speaker 7 (24:02):
So I spent way too much time this morning looking
at North Carolina high schools Tarty trying to find anything
I can find about him playing lacrosse, because everything is
just football and basketball. But if he played lacrosse, I
can't wait for people to drive that narrative into the ground.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Well it'd be like Jim Brown, right, I mean, they
had to change the lacrosse rules because if Jim Brown
he just put the ball over his chest and through everybody,
it'd probably be something similar.

Speaker 7 (24:24):
But I saw a story about him too. He was
playing basketball once and like popped his ankle out of
place and just popped it right back in.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, it was a very bad injury for him.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Yeah, I mean two years that kind of right, I mean.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
Yeah, he that was part of the because Marco Coleman,
who some of our listeners, Evan, I bet you did,
Mike didn't. He had a long NFL career. He was
a defensive line coach at Georgia Tech and he's been
there for four years. But unfortunately he had left and
came back and he did not coach keon last year,

(24:58):
the year that he kind of broke out right, And
you know, so when I was talking to and that
I was talking to the one of the you know,
people in sports information, and we discussed that, it's like, yeah,
like the year that Marco was with him, he had
that freak. I think he slipped like on a T
shirt or something like that and dislocated his ankle and

(25:18):
basically cost him the whole season. He played sparingly in
about four games that that year, and it wasn't until
last year that he sort of re established the level
that he left ODU with. So that was a significant
injury for him, that that ankle problem. And I think
you know, Booty obviously has a significant. He's the only

(25:39):
one of the four guys that I'm doing profiles that
was at the same school all his whole career. The
other three were at multiple schools.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, when I was talking to some people on Monday
that the injury for for Kean White did come up,
and I was I didn't really know how bad it was,
But seems like before the injury, that explosiveness, that first
step that I didn't really see on film was more
present before the injury. So maybe as we've put some

(26:10):
distance between that even more, that that comes back a
little bit. But it's just really interesting to hear all
their stories, and a lot of these guys, I think,
you know, our late breakout players, you know, like a
guy like Tomoro Douglas is not even on anybody's radar
until the Malik Willis year a couple of years ago.
Even from high school where he's getting basically fcs and

(26:33):
Division two offers, he's not on nobody's radar, despite setting
records at his high school and receiving and receiving touchdowns.
But even then still it's just not it's too late,
you know, once he's a senior in high school, all
these recruiting classes are already filled out by that point
for a lot of these major schools. So he might
have gone to a Power five program had he been

(26:55):
a junior breakout in high school, but because it didn't
happen until fall the senior you know, they've already handed
out all of their scholarships and all of their roster
spots and things like that. So it's always interesting to
hear about the late breakout guys.

Speaker 7 (27:08):
Especially with COVID too, Like a lot of these guys
had to deal with It's.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Such a factor.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
It's another thing that like again, except for Booty, the
other three guys are like six years six six year
college careers for whatever they set out.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, a lot of them transferred because of that. I mean,
it's it's still an impact.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
I mean, and the scouting side too, to scout try
and scout players.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
When that's you've still got the massive guys coming in.
I mean, you know, City sounds like twenty five. I
mean he's going to be twenty five, I think next month,
So he's a six year guy. Yeah. That and I
should say too, that was another interesting piece of my
conversation with with coach Creighton there in Eastern Michigan was that.
You know, he said, if I had two City Souths,
they would have played left guard and left tackle, and
we just felt we could he would be more effective

(27:49):
for us overall with what we run being on the inside.
So I know that that was some speculation over the
last couple of days. I mean, I don't want to
put too much into it because I feel like some
people see a report that City said could possibly play tackle,
and all of a sudden, they're like, well, that's it, it
all makes sense. Now he's going to be there new
Like I don't know, but he's a big, powerful dude.
And the coach kept talking about just his kind of

(28:09):
surprising athleticism. For you know, somebody came from Canada, was
a defensive lineman. He said, we watched him. They were
I think you guys probably know the story. They were
on a bus of like forty Canadian kids driving around
to different showcases and camps, trying to, you know, show
what they can do to college coaches, and the Eastern
Michigan guys saw him and right away were like, he
can play offensive line. They were actually there to see
somebody else and they liked Citi sow Enough, who was

(28:33):
at the time a defensive lineman. They liked him enough
as his projection that they offered him right there to
be on the offensive line. And then, you know, I
think he paid like dress for fifty five games, started
like fifty three games. So you know, it's a double
edged sword. On one hand, You're right, he's old and
you know he's probably maxed out. But at the same time,
he's got a lot of experience. So hopefully that maybe
helps accelerate his development process and you know, maybe he

(28:55):
does end up because I don't see it as a
monumental task to say if he can tackle that he
could be that third swing tackle this year, you know
behind Maybe let's say we start off with I don't know,
at right tackle, you know the vet and you know
Trump Brown, you know Riley Reef and Trent Brown, and
then wait for you know, do somebody get hurt, does
somebody break down, and then maybe at that point you
make a move. But I think an opportunity is there

(29:16):
if he could possibly make that switch.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, I think it's interesting that you mentioned that he
that he played defense, because Mafi was a nose tackle
for two years at UCLA before they moved him over
and I think one of the interesting things about him
was he's like four hundred pounds playing nose tackle, and
then his coaches said that this year he really bought
in to the program, brought into being you know, a

(29:39):
pro pro so to speak, and lost like forty pounds
from diet and exercise and all that type of stuff.
So he was a big, big guy, played nose tackle,
was a regular contributor at nose tackle, and then switches
over to guard. And he just looks like Mike on Winnoo.
You know, he's built like Mike on win who moves
like Mike on w I knew, so he's someone that

(30:01):
definitely projects inside. But sow I he's got the athleticism
for it. I mean, his arm length is right on
the threshold, like he just checks the box barely. But
his athleticism at the combine definitely tests out as an
above average tackle athlete. So we'll see. He hasn't played
tackle since eighteen or nineteen. First year, I think, yeah,

(30:22):
and he his guard tape definitely showed somebody that his
skill set is best suited at guard. It's pretty similar
to ANUNU right where yeah, he could play tackle, but
just the way that he plays in a phone booth
just looks better to play him out at guard. I
think if you give him more space and ask him
to block on an island in pass protection, I don't

(30:45):
know if he's necessarily going to hold up out there,
but we'll see. I mean, this is what.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
They don't have a lot of young promising depth there.
I mean, yeah, I know Andrew Stuer. I don't know
if any of these guys are going to does he exists?

Speaker 9 (30:57):
I've forgotten about last year's d.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
That's something Paul broke me up. I think as having
high expectations for low, low output guy like not that
I ever had high, but you know, you always just
have in the back of your mind like this guy,
he didn't do anything.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
I think it's kind of a simple thing and there's
always outliers. But I feel like when you have new
guys that come on to the team in general, if
they turn out to be something significant, you see it
right away.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Now.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
There are definitely examples of guys that are on like
IR the first year or practice squad and afterthought, and
then they year two. It's a big jump. But like
to me, Ronnie Perkins as an example, that's a good one.
You know, when he comes in as a rookie and
you're not seeing him with regular players. I don't want
to use the starters and backups because I know they

(31:44):
don't like that. But when you don't see him getting
a lot of reps, I don't think that they feel
like he is potentially going to be a part of
the mix. And conversely, sometimes you see some young guys
that are from day one, Wow, he's like rotating in
with David Andrews at center, and not just to use
a butler.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
Wasn't he one that just was kind of getting some.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Constantly showing up in groups with the front line players,
and you're like, they like this kid. You can tell
they like them because they're letting him play with guys
that are going to be playing. And again it's there's
never one hundred percent one or the other. But yeah,
Andrew Stuber was injured coming in, so I'm going to
give him a little bit of a pass. We'll see,

(32:28):
but I'd be surprised if they thought a lot of
chasing Hines and Andrew Stuber based on drafting three more
quote unquote backup offensive lineman in day three.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Especially in the in the fourth round. The fourth round
is usually a lock to make the roster.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Yeah, most likely not going to get cut.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Yeah, I agree, unless they're completely in over their heads
in training camp. Now, could I see one of those
guys getting Foxborough fluide and you stash them an I
are for a year one hundred and ten percent. But
in terms of protecting them where they can't be poached
by other teams, you don't just cut fourth round picks.
Most of the time as rookies, those guys tend to stick.
And I think Mafi, even though he's a fifth rounder,

(33:07):
I would put him in that category too, just based
off of.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
How much I like his profile better than the other two.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Well, I like his film better than the other two too.
I think he can really play, and at the Shrine
Bowl he was one of the better linemen there. And
I remember talking to some people at the Shrine Bowl
and a lot of them were pretty lukewarm on the
linement that were there. You know, the guys are probably
going to be end of the draft, maybe you know,
priority free agents for the most part, but he was
somebody that really stood out, especially his play strength and

(33:36):
his ability to pull like he's three hundred and thirty pounds.
But he can pull and he can block on the
move a little bit better than you would expect. I
think that comes from playing defense maybe and being a
little bit lighter on his feet than you would expect.
So I like him the best out of all of
them as well.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
All right, A five to five pats five hundred. You
like to give us a call, send us an email,
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Wars questions yet. I'm holding out hope for one of them,
and we're gonna lose Evan.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
And Alex nice Jeff setting the table, make thank you.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
I appreciate that. I'm gonna do a better job reading
the emails today because I don't want Audrey up my
butt still about my so I'm going to read them slowly.

Speaker 7 (34:11):
I saw the Patriots unfiltered like without context account tweet
that yesterday and I was like, what.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
After I left. I appreciate it. I appreciate it, and
you know, hey, we can all take a little constructive
criticism and you know, try to be better and all that, right,
But let's let's jump to the phones.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Now.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
We got Todd in North Carolina.

Speaker 10 (34:28):
Hate Todd Hey, guys, I said before draft that I
was really hoping that they would address the current league
model on how everything works. I think they made that
an attempt. I think with their draft picks, they didn't
get a receiver early. They tried to build up the defense.
They did take a couple of interesting receiver prospect blate,
but they built up in speed and stuff. And I

(34:49):
remember calling in pre draft and talking to you guys
and think, you know, this is how I could judge
whether you know, Bill still had his hat in the game.
And I really think the draft shows that he does that.
They made an.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Effort, all right.

Speaker 10 (35:03):
And my other comment is Juju. I really like what
he said. I really think that the offense needs to
get some Juju.

Speaker 11 (35:12):
It's very honest.

Speaker 10 (35:13):
I think they're really kind of a lot of sorts
and hopefully, you know, he's a part to bringing him back.
And that's all I got.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
Guy.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yeah, I watched the Juju film. I am I did
like him. He came out. I don't know what I expected.
Like you just you hear about these guys. They get
this is Juju Smith Schuster. I mean, I don't know
what he's like off the field, but you just know
him as a player, and then you know, you get
to see him talking. I mean, I he seemed came
off likable, came off soft spoken. I thought he said
most of the right things. You know, we'll see how
it all translates onto the field.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, I think that, you know. Just I was listening
to some some national podcasts and podcast because I like
to get I like to get what people's opinions are
of the Patriots that aren't here right, that aren't glueden,
that aren't as negative as Paul's shows, but also aren't
as as inside it like we are. You know, they're

(36:01):
so close to right. So I was listening to Robert
Mays and those guys in the athletic who I think
do a great job, and they were a lot of
them were gushing about the talent on the Patriots defense,
and I thought that I was just being kind of
a homer when I looked at the depth chart and
was like, this is kind of a pretty impressive defense.
But I really feel like on that side of the

(36:21):
football now, I think the biggest thing is probably Devin
mccordy and how they replace the communication and the and
the experience and that element on the back end. But
if you just look at talent, their defense on paper
is one of the better defenses in the league.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
If Gonzales pans out to be what we think he's
going to be, big if because what do we know,
But if he does, then that significantly improves I think
the talent level in the secondary.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
Yeah, it's not everybody.

Speaker 5 (36:45):
You just knock everybody down a peg, but they don't
have a guy with that profile, right, So if he's
really good, I think that's a really valuable piece to
have back there.

Speaker 9 (36:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Yeah, I would still hold up pass rush depth like
a post Jude on injury, Like I don't know if
they're if they're set to accommodate that. And I just
I could go either way on Kim White, like I see,
you know, everything that we've talked about with him, Like
there's and and I and I love defensive guys, like
I love a guy that, in theory, could you know,
be moved all around the defensive line and just be
a big, mean, wrecking ball. But I think to like

(37:16):
what we've just been saying, I don't see that like
like like with Ucha for example, like I knew Uch
was a limited guy when we drafted him, he didn't
really play early downs there. He was there, what he
was here, But when I talked to you know, his coach,
but I talked to Don Brown about him, he was like, look,
this guy can run the arc like nobody else, and
he's going to bring that skill into the NFL immediately

(37:37):
and challenge the outside shoulder of offensive tackles. And you know,
Kim White, I'm just searching for, like, what is that
one thing he does great? Like he seems powerful, but
it never seems, you know, in what I've seen of him,
to really blow the play up before it develops. It's
it's it's almost like the uh. It's almost like the
Nelson Aguiler thing where it's like all right, it always
happens like way late in the down, and like that's

(37:58):
not what we need. We need consistent early down disruption,
you know, not like all right, well, Nelson Egler caught
all these passes when I heard some breaks and somebody
launches it. And I heard someone.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
Talking about White in exactly that manner earlier this week,
and that was my first thuhs, Like, and he gets
a lot of pressure, but it's like right as the
you know, the passes. So he doesn't have a lot
of sacks. I'm like, well then, yeah, like not to
what end then? Now, I would say it sounds to
me like he might be one of those guys that
we see his impact more on on third downs, passing

(38:28):
downs when he's on the inside. I think he might
be able to be three techniques, you know, a guy
that can collapse the pocket from the inside. Maybe not
racking up big numbers, but maybe his power is going
to be able to take advantage of those interior guys.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah. I know a lot of people that thought that
his best NFL role would be a three technique on
the inside rushing over the guard instead of outside. But
they I think they see him as a five, like
a straight up over the tackle type of guy.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
I definitely think that.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
And I don't necessarily think that he's going to be
flashy or super productive, but I think, you know, with
everything that I've gathered about him, that he's gonna just
be solid, Like he's just going to be a solid,
rotational guy that maybe down the road becomes a starter,
but for now, he's going to be able to play
in an NFL football game right away, And I guess

(39:13):
there's something to be said for that, especially in the
second round. I think they've taken some chances in the
second round on the upside. You know, guys like a
Taekwon Thorton, like a Juwan Williams even that have these
physical traits with this upside, but didn't necessarily have the
floor of a player like Keon White. So I'm trying
to talk myself into it too, because it's not out

(39:35):
of all their picks the day three guys. At that
point of the draft, you do what you do on
Day three, right, you fill your holes and you feel
your schematic fits and your culture guys and like whatever.
But on the top one hundred, I feel like that's
more where you can kind of look at and see
what they really did. And he's the one guy out
of the three in the top one hundred that I'm

(39:56):
still I got to see it in training camp and
early on in this season for me to be a
big time believer. But I do think that he'll be
able to play a role on defense in some capacity.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
He could be ready to replace Dietrich Wise too. You know,
I mean he's not getting any younger.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
He's Alex's age, right, I know, the six year breakout.

Speaker 7 (40:13):
He just had a baby though, so maybe his dad's strength.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Now, Oh that's what I asked. I love teach I
lost all my strength when I had Oh you lose
that strength when happen? Yes, what is dad strength? Yeah?
I I But there's also part of me with White
that's just like holding out hope that like he's going
to get here and the injury is going to finally
be behind him and it's all going to kind of

(40:38):
click for him, and I want to feel like I
felt with bar Moore in twenty twenty one's camp, where
it's like every one on one you saw the guy go,
it's it's it's a handful, you know. I just I
just want to see him be a handful early on
in training camp. It's so hard to judge those guys,
you know, especially early on in camp when they're not
even in pads yet, and then even when they get
in pads, you get a handful of you know, one
on ones from across the field that you're trying to

(40:58):
trying to figure out. So I'm still holding out home by.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
I'm not saying on most of these guys. Right like,
after selling, I can talk myself into everybody, like I
have Marty Maps, I'm trying to do that with Mapu
is just Matt mallotap to me in my head already
right Like I've already totally sold myself on that one.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
Haven't put that in my head on Saturday, and I've
been trying to get there.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
But but I got to see it on the field
in the summer, like with pads On that's obviously. So
we're a long way away from that. So we'll see.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
We're gonna like a couple of weeks with MIDI camp.
Like he looks big, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
But it's like, you know, Sam Roberts looks big, I know,
like Sam Roberts looks like an NFL player walking off
the bus, but he he adds occasional flash in camp
as a rookie, but we really need to see it
from kee round.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Yeah, he's like the seventh round version of White And
I thought too when they selected him. He was one
of the guys that I talked to. I mean, he's
a D two player I think with you know, but
but same kind of thing, like one of those just
those big, powerful guys that don't really have an exact
position maybe for some NFL teams but you know here
they're they're useful because they can move around. Uh all right,
let's jump back to the phones and we got let's
see always, let's see always doing will and film. Hey, wellam,

(42:09):
how are you doing?

Speaker 12 (42:10):
Man' I'm okay, Uh not as good as yesterday, but
I'm okay.

Speaker 11 (42:15):
All right the day though?

Speaker 4 (42:17):
All right, that's I'm well.

Speaker 12 (42:19):
How are everybody doing on the PANEA? Everybody goody good?
So okay, all right, I'm a school I'm alex from
this one. But this is for the for the fellas, Okay,
it so is this is this is all we're going
with far as the on the offensive side night. So
you're just because basically all they did in terms of

(42:40):
the receiving part is you just swapped out players.

Speaker 13 (42:42):
That's all you did.

Speaker 12 (42:43):
You didn't really add anything. Well and to a lot
of lottery fix the six round picks that you might,
I guess you are hoping they tend out. So is
that all we're going is that's all that's gonna be
added to help mac Jim.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Yes, because you didn't get attack ration yep. Yeah, I
mean there's was a chance that you could make a trade.
But yeah, I would say that what you see is
what you get. Offensively, they like their tackles better than
everybody else. Whether we agree with that or not, we listen, William.
I'll be the first one to tell you. I got
some humble pie on Tuesday from Paul over there about

(43:17):
being knowing knowing more than Bill Belichick. Oh yeah, so
I'll tell you they might know more than us about
the tackles, all right, So we got to give them
a chance to play the tackles.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I hear you on the receivers, I really do. But
I think the one interesting thing that you know, when
I had some conversations the other day that someone said
to me is that, you know, Bill Walsh was a
big believer that that number one receiver, he was the
final piece to the puzzle. Right, It wasn't. You didn't
just throw the number one receiver, you know, the Jerry
Rice to his you know, for Bill Walsh's you know mind,

(43:49):
you don't just throw that guy in when you're still
rebuilding the rest of the roster. You know, when the
Bills were ready to take that next step, that's when
they made that Stefan Digg's tray. When the Eagles are
ready to take that next step. That's when they made
the aj Brown trade. And as much as I want
the Patriots to make that trade too, I do wonder
if they felt like they were still a year away
from that guy really doing the service that we all

(44:11):
want him to do, of moving that needle from you know, uh,
one one direction to another. So I totally hear you
on the receivers. I think we're all in the same
boat on that. But maybe maybe that move comes next offseason.
Is as much as we want to see it right away.

Speaker 12 (44:26):
Okay, So let me let me ask you this, Evan,
But I have I have another take after this one day. Okay,
So all right, So Tom Tom Brady's been going since
what twenty nineteen? Correct, So we already hit in twenty
twenty three. Now, so how long does it take to
build because already build messed up one season already for unfortunately,
you know what I'm saying. So, how long does it

(44:47):
take to build a team to get them to be
back in a competitive mode or championship mode or whatever?

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Yeah, yeah, depends on yes, how long do you need?

Speaker 12 (44:58):
You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
Well, I think that the answer for that is different
you know, like does it work and does the quarterback work?
And I mean I've seen teams turning around in one year.
I've seen teams spin their wheels for a decade, right,
Like I mean, let's hope that the Patriots aren't in
that situation.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Yeah, yep, what I mean.

Speaker 12 (45:14):
But go ahead, Okay, so you're saying, you're saying you
see other teams do there?

Speaker 13 (45:20):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (45:20):
So well, like like the Jets for example, you know
the last time they made the playoffs was what.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Twenty Mark Sanchez?

Speaker 5 (45:28):
Yeah right, I mean, so you know, then you look
at some other teams that you know that they were good,
you know, like Kansas City, you know they were good.
They were playoff team with Alex Smith, they sort of
recalibrated and immediately jumped to another level with Patrick Mahomes, Like,
there's no blueprint. Answer, Well, it takes three years to

(45:49):
rebuild properly. No, Like it depends on how you hit
on your picks and your players. And I'm sorry to
break it down to just one thing, but you're quarterback. Yeah,
like that matters.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Well, I would, and I would break it down a
different way though, I would. I would say, how long
does the ownership and fan base have patience for you
know that. And and just real quick before I let
you make your point, William, I just I went back
and I just looked at all the three other AFC
East teams over the last twenty years, and you know
what was it like for them? What was the average
that that they were willing to go with a coach

(46:24):
quarterback kind of combination, And usually it was three or
four years, Like if you made the playoffs or had
a pretty good season, you might get that fourth year,
but usually it's three years at least as far as those.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
Are the problem for that, you can't really compare the
Patriots situation to anybody else because no one else has
a coach that's been doing it for twenty three years,
not twenty five. R Like he's telling you, yeah, it's
tough to fire and fire Bill.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
Bellot and won six titles, so he's that that counts
for something. But I think that's get more time, right,
But but what is it? And I think I about
some questions here on the email too of you know,
what is what is reasonable? You know, I don't think
anybody was ready to fire Bill and twenty I mean,
certainly some people were, you know, but but it's just
what as soon as he left where he's out, I

(47:06):
left you off.

Speaker 12 (47:08):
At this point, he said, I don't care what you're doing.

Speaker 14 (47:11):
Man.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
I hear you.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
That's a that's a fair way of looking at it.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, well, thanks will I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
I wont to know why he was so happy yesterday?

Speaker 4 (47:19):
What was so good that happened yesterday? I was like,
not as good as yesterday? He said, yeah, I don't know.
It wasn't even a show day. I hope good could
have been. I got some emails to somebody, some strains
from me. Again. Well no, I well maybe I should
read this one right now, just real quick, because Andy
wrote in about Willem and you know, well it's a
little listener on listener debate here. I like so Andy,

(47:41):
and Cleveland wrote in, uh, hopefully Willim tuned back in.
He said, what in the world is going on with Willim?
And he calls him Willem and Philim Willhem and film's
audio guy sounds like he's calling from inside of a
water tower on speaker.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
If he's down, William is down. He's always That's why
he sounds like that.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Well, he said, I appreciate the can be regular callers
and contribute to the show, but can we take up
a collection to get him some decent headphones with a mic? So, uh,
headphones with a mic? He's calling it?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Yeah, what do you want us to get him?

Speaker 5 (48:09):
At a little blue yetti micy marine corps, get on that.
I want all of our regular calls a.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Microphone. Send him one of those those briefcases that you
give me when I go on the on the road.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Or it's way too big.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Yeah, I gotta check this. Yeah, it's very it's heavy,
and I'm weak.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
I know, Evan, and hours have to go if not,
you know, so make sure you guys, I don't want
to hold I mean, we're riding with the PP and
the Duce, but I think we can have better nicknames
than that. A PP of the all of the focusroops
love it, Evan. I mean, you know it's no Catch twenty.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Two, which coming up at two o'clock stay tuned.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Yes, absolutely, So why don't we reset, take a little
bit of a break and let them.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
So, I'm gonna grab the I'm just gonna grab one
call here before we break, because Dominic's been holding on
for a moment and I just want to grab them. Hey, Dominique,
what's going on?

Speaker 12 (49:04):
Hey, what's up? Hopefully what Mike is good?

Speaker 9 (49:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Perfect? Yeah?

Speaker 15 (49:07):
You go.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
In college?

Speaker 12 (49:10):
Yeah, well come on.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
But yeah.

Speaker 12 (49:13):
So I just thoughts on everything with the drafting going on,
and more of a discussion for y'all is I'm looking
back at the twenty twenty three draft and I'm thinking,
you know, I know, there's been a lot of talk
about folks wanting, you know, wide receiver on that end,
but thinking about even with Christian Gonzalez, there was a
whole worry about Johnson Jones if he leaves, who the
heck is going to be a number one corner where
we tell that position? That was my worry, even the

(49:35):
same with Devin mccordy. So with the first three takes,
I've been very happy with that, addressing with a lot
of needs or potential needs that will have in the
next couple of years or so, and even going back
to the wide receiver thing, it's kind of like, you know,
I know folks are mad and upset, but I look
at it like this. We had that weird year with Brady.
After Brady, with cam Okay, didn't do so well. We
had a rookie Mack Jones, went to the playoffs, and

(49:56):
we had a good offensive coordinator, right phone year want
to do a whole whatever with the offensive shifting between
you know, Patricia Judge would have me bad. I kind
of want to see before we dive and see like
the concerns of austense, even though they are legit concerns
in the offense, the ability with Bill O'Brien. You have
another player in Jujusvin Sister that I think is talented

(50:16):
and can produce at a decent level given a chance.
Schemes well and we sell type one third and who
we don't really know what he can't do, but he's
still I believe, in my opinion, has a high seiling.
So with that being said, I'm okay with the fact
that we haven't gone like so high per receiver, especially
for getting someone like Kyshambodie, who if he pans out,
could be excellent, or you know, the Mario Douglas who
you know that coaching staff knows better than you know

(50:38):
probably interview us to in terms of his speed, his
athletic profile and whatnot. So I'm wonder if you're feeling
the same way, Like, I'm more concerned about the ability.
I want to see what Mack can do with what
he has if you believe another receiver is the thing
that makes him jump to that at leite, you know,
top fifteen whatever ten quarterback level, sir. But that's the
least how I'm feeling. That's kind of what I want
to gauge first, and that's going through training cramp, the

(51:00):
early parts of the season and so on and so forth.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 7 (51:03):
You make a pretty good point because I think if
you look at us this time last year, we're looking
at this receiving core. On paper, it looks a lot
the same as this year. You don't have Nelson Aguilar,
But like our narratives last year is we're way more
worried about the defense on this show.

Speaker 9 (51:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (51:16):
I was, And this was before all the coordinator drama.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Paul Paul's always read.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Specific position, so I was I always have fair enough.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
But it was just a totally different conversation we were
having before training camp and then the coordinator stuff played out.
It was so dysfunctional and it's like, oh my god,
how could we even have had these opinions?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Yeah, right, I'm more worried about honestly at this point,
Like I hear all the look I'm not the one
to say I don't believe in receivers all of a sudden, right,
Like I hear all that, But I'm more worried about
the tackles, to be honest with you, because me too,
I look at mac Jones, and I know even last
year when it was as dysfunctional and horrible as it
was on offense, from clean pockets, he graded out extremely well,

(52:02):
like high passer ratings, high PFF grades. If you're into that,
it's always with him, it's always under pressure. Like he's
not a mobile guy, he's not an elusive guy, and
he doesn't throw the ball well while under pressure. So
if you can keep him clean, he can make all
the throws and he can run your offense and do
all those types of things. But if you can't, and
I think they're banking on a lot of coaching like

(52:24):
Adrian Klem and the just sophistication of the entire system
up front being cleaner because the talent I'm not necessarily
sure is significantly better on the line, right.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
Yeah, My biggest fear, the reason I agree with the
tackle is.

Speaker 16 (52:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:42):
Do I think they could use an upgrade of talent
in the pass catches, I absolutely do, But I think
in this particular draft class it wasn't really conducive to
devoting a lot of resources to it. Now, I think
they could have gone earlier. And you guys talked about
this a lot on Saturday. There were guys that were
worth developing Charlie Jones's and you know, Josh Downs's of

(53:04):
the world that they passed on. Okay, fine, I don't
think any of those guys was going to step in,
you know, in twenty twenty three if the number or significant.
You know, addition, I think what they have as pass
catchers is good enough. And I'm kind of echoing Dominique's
feel like, Okay, so let's see how it looks with

(53:25):
a real offensive coordinator, and Evan brings up a good point,
a real offensive line coach.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yeah, to see if you can well that that was going.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
To look more like you did as a rookie before
you guys go.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
That was just the one point I was going to
bring out because I remember you talking about talking to
the offensive lineman and them saying that they didn't have
the ability to make the same calls, and they did so.
I just I wonder if maybe some part of that
struggle with Mac was baked into just not having the
answers all the time that he needed to have. Maybe
they're and.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
That's his strength as a player, is to be able
to get to the line of scrimmage, survey what the
defense is showing you pre snap, and get everybody pointed
in the right direction, make some checks, make some changes
to the protection like those are the things that That's
what drew them to him to an extent, was between
the ears, what he was capable of doing at the
line of scrimmage as a field general, and last year

(54:12):
they just kind of stripped all of that away from him.
So if they can get back to playing to his strengths,
not only as a passer, but also just the cerebralness
of his ability to read the field, I think that
they're going to be better upfront. But I do worry
still about the one on one match. At the end
of the day, it's still my guy against your guy
to an extent in football always so at the end

(54:34):
of the day, is Riley Reef can hold up at
right tackle When they got Von Miller coming off one
side and Greg Russo coming off the other side against
Buffalo or whatever the matchup is. Are they going to
be able to hold up against Bradley Chubb and Jalen
Phillips when they play Miami. I don't know. Those are
the big concerns that I have.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
All Right, Evan announce' going to take off. Go here
from Mike Kasiki and Mike Rabe. A lot of Mike's
today and you got one here hosting and Mike, Mike
salt So, me and Paul are going to ta a
little bit of a break. Nobody's foods here. We're not
even eating today, folks. We're just gonna sit it out
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Speaker 9 (01:01:26):
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I will take Kansas City and I will take the
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How many times you're going to say how old she is?

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She's old? That's another great moment.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
All right, we're back at it. And yeah, that was the
voice of Megan o'brown. Great, the great Megan. I'm gonna
share a little bit of news. I hope it's okay
about mob, but she is going to be throwing out
the first pitch at a Chicago White Sox game for real,
and I gotta say too, we got Matis. I think
it's in July. Okay, out in July, so I think
everybody probably knows what a huge fan of the White

(01:02:26):
Sox she was. Maglio or dan Ardonia. I told her,
I'm like, you gotta wear a Maglio jersey. So she's
very excited, and I hope she throws a strike though,
I mean that's she's pretty athletic. I think I think
she'll throw right down the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
My favorite.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Did you happen to see the woman who plays college
baseball for Brown, the first woman, right, first woman to
play Division one college baseball, And she threw out the
first pitch of the Red Sox game, and she threw
it as hard as she could, which I was kind
of expecting, but it was yeah, it.

Speaker 9 (01:02:55):
Was like, wasn't as beast fifty cents though?

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
Oh no, oh.

Speaker 5 (01:02:58):
No, but she's an actual Bay spat player. I would
have got to I mean, I was expecting more excited.

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Well, you should have give us some tips for throwing
out pitches at some way, right, if you've done that, right.

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
I've thrown actual pitches, not ceremonial.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Once they're not ceremonial.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
They didn't have to choose me out of a lottery
to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Yeah, I mean home. No, that wasn't no lung. That
was in New Britain, New Britain.

Speaker 9 (01:03:22):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Let's jump over to the phone though, real quick, because
Brian from Western mass has been holding on through our break. So,
hey Brian, thanks for holding on. Now what's going on?

Speaker 24 (01:03:32):
Hey you guys, hope you're doing well?

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 24 (01:03:35):
So the one thing, uh I'll find an issue with
is that people are complaining about not drafting a wide
receiver early in the draft.

Speaker 15 (01:03:44):
Uh.

Speaker 24 (01:03:45):
I think personally there was no superstar wide receiver jumping
out at us. Second of all, I don't find you know,
this team needs another rookie that's just going to learn
the offense. Yeah, and I mean, if anything, this offense
needs a veteran proved wide receiver. Obviously like a Copkins

(01:04:06):
and probably Judy are not able to be tradable, but
that's the kind of receiver that team needs. Not enough,
you know, Josh Booty are booties. I forget us first name.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
I'm sorry the great.

Speaker 24 (01:04:17):
Honestly, I just don't see needing a draft pick early
in the draft for wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Yeah, well, thanks for the call, and I mean it's
you know, it's something we kind of talked about when
we got into Day two, which was just was there
that guy? I mean, if they gotten Flowers, it's all
about that. Like to me, if name on the claim.

Speaker 5 (01:04:35):
If it was a regular draft class, I think this
wide receiver class had a bunch of secondary guys at
the top of it. Now, I think there were a
lot of good receivers. I don't think there were any
great ones. And if there was, the way it's been
like in recent years, I would have been much more
open to using wide receiver at fourteen. Now, I just

(01:04:59):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
I don't. I don't think Smith.

Speaker 5 (01:05:02):
And Jigba or Zay Flowers was worthy of that. Some
people do, and that's fine because they haven't played it
down yet. We'll see who ends up being right. But
I don't kill them for that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
No, And Tise, you love you love Gonzalez as much
as everybody, and it's like, I mean, I look at
it the same way. It's just the opposite side of
the ball. Like you say, they're missing that number one
threat on the offense. Well, I'd say they're missing that
number one cover guy on the defense. And that's what
you had the opportunity to get now. And to our
our our previous caller who said, it's you know, that
last piece that you put in, I mean, I don't

(01:05:35):
know about that. I'm hoping one of these two guys emerged,
like one of these two six rounders comes out and
you know, maybe just chips in with it. It doesn't
have to be a lot. It could be like Jacoby Myers,
but it's hard to it's hard to wish because you
love Gonzalez right.

Speaker 9 (01:05:46):
Or due for a late round guy to blow up.
I don't think that's happened here for a while. But
I mean last year, I mean you just I think,
Hi tis twenty twenty, but you had to pick last year,
you could have got one of those guys. I don't
think any of the receivers this year were that much better.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
No, I mean justin Jefferson go like twenty you know
and whatever it was twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. So I mean,
you know that's the drafts.

Speaker 9 (01:06:05):
You're talking about Paul where it's well, just.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
In Sarah Wilson, there's five of them that you're like,
I'd be pretty happy with any of them.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
I would have taken one of those guys at fourteen
if they were available, you know, from last year now,
I just don't think it was the same caliber of class.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
I think that's the draft reality to punching you in
the face is like, I mean, every single person except
for Paul Credit where credit is due had Josh Downs
is the number one guy on the second tier. So
once those receivers went in the first round.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
And I didn't hate him or anything, I just wasn't
as high on it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
But you weren't, so you weren't looking at him as like.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Yeah you did, like Marvin, I think I remember that
from the broadcast.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
So there were those guys, you know, kicking around. But
you know, at the same time, when I think, when
you break it down, what intrigued me about Downs was
what would kind of intrigue me if Booty or Douglas
were to hit you know, that's the kind of player
I wanted, So doing it with a six round pick
and there's not really the pressure. I like how they
balanced those two.

Speaker 9 (01:07:00):
What's interesting to me is that the guys who went
late in the first round, Quentin Johnson Addison, that might
be scary because you got Justin Jefferson and then you
got Mike Williams and Keenan Allen in la like that
gives them some veterans tomm under and that's just going
to free them up so they might have big seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
It's it's nice to have that lucky.

Speaker 9 (01:07:18):
Yeah. I just don't think you got that here.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
No, no you don't.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
And I do think that's a good point because you
you attached a little like context and nuance to it.
You know, I think a lot of people immediately look
and I'm not telling you that it's an easy thing
to do or that it's correct, but a lot of
people look and they say, well, Justin Jefferson, you could
have had Justin Jefferson, and if you've done maybe, if
you've moved up, you could have gotten Jefferson that, yeah,
they could have. And I think he's a great player.

(01:07:44):
I think you'd be great anywhere, but maybe he wouldn't
be great here, you know. And you know that's one
that's one I don't agree with obviously, because I think
Justin Jefferson is one of at worst one of the
three best receivers in football. I think guys like that
are great any anywhere they go. Yeah, but sometimes you know,
so Quentin Johnston, maybe he works because of what you said, tease.

(01:08:06):
Maybe with with Herbert Layton downs you like to talk about,
with Agalore and two other receivers that are pretty good,
it's not going to be asked to go in there
and catch ninety balls. He could have a really good
rookie year and catch like forty, right, you know, but
maybe with the Patriots he wouldn't be afforded that same
kind of luxury.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
And to that point, I wonder what's going to be available,
you know, if one of those six round guys do
get a chance, you know, because I do think that
their their skill sets are a little bit unique. And
you know, maybe with Thornton speed, with Parker going down
the field as a contested catch kind of guy like,
you know, maybe that helps open up opportunities for some
of these guys underneath. You know, we have to see

(01:08:44):
I just again, it's there's so many like what if
Bill O'Brien works out, what if Taekwon Thornton makes a leap.
What if Riley Reef has you know, can squeeze another
solid year, you know, out of whatever how many years
he's been playing. You know, it's all those what ifs
we're playing and generally the more they're going to thread
the needle.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
Generally, if you have the worst, the record will be wrong,
you know, like a lot of people talk about that
with the Red Sox on the Red Socks are one
five in a row?

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Who knows?

Speaker 15 (01:09:08):
He?

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Who knows?

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
Eldrid calling in, see what he's got to say? Hey, Eldred,
how are you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
There?

Speaker 9 (01:09:15):
It is?

Speaker 24 (01:09:16):
Hey fellows, tell y'all doing lady good?

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
No lady yet? No, no lady right now? But maybe soon.

Speaker 11 (01:09:21):
I thought you were already.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
I thought she was se Evan and Alex had to
go and to uh work, talk to Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:09:28):
Sicky about football, and we get this.

Speaker 11 (01:09:31):
I'm gonna get to it. We'll get to it.

Speaker 13 (01:09:33):
Paul.

Speaker 11 (01:09:34):
I loved that fight with you and Fred Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
And I agree with.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Cold Strange.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Oh oh was he a bus? Yeah? That yeah, it's
a bus.

Speaker 11 (01:09:47):
And I think he's gonna be one reckless regular season
throughout two you know. But I also agree with you
with debt.

Speaker 15 (01:09:53):
But uh, the other.

Speaker 11 (01:09:54):
Caller you had a chance to get and what you
call last year, but he didn't get it, so you
had one, you know, Oh they got from Olga.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
State And I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
I worry a little bit about that with the tight
ends this year because it seems to me, the better
a class is in terms of talent, the more at
the Patriots are to sit that draft out and wait
for the next one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
They've been doing it with wide receivers for like five years,
like a year off.

Speaker 11 (01:10:20):
Yeah, but they picking wrong one for the last five years. Yeah,
that's the problem. He's picking the wrong one and Clifton
Johnson's gonna be a monster. You're wait and see. But
one more things about the defense Verythale, I thue you
about White. I don't really like him that much, but
you like.

Speaker 25 (01:10:36):
Him but I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Oh okay.

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
I was like, you're agreement with me when things that
I don't necessarily agree with, Because my argument with Cole
Strange wasn't that he's a bust. It's that it's harder
to tell of an offensive lineman is a bust because
if they play, everybody automatically thinks it's fine. Whereas the
other positions where you can get statistics, you can readily see.

Speaker 11 (01:10:56):
Yeah you can regulusly, right, but I think you should
have got somes Key on white, you know. And but
that defense, the secondary, I like what he picked in
the last two round or the last six round, six rounds,
the last two I just hope they can contribute besides
special team.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
Yeah, you know, I wouldn't count on that.

Speaker 11 (01:11:13):
You have fet on't count on it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
I mean, I mean, you don't take guys that down,
you know, in the two hundreds that you're expecting to contribute.
Like I mean again, i'd never say never, like there's
always outliers.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
But you know, guys are special teamers in college and right,
I mean they can run.

Speaker 11 (01:11:31):
But Speed plays for Michigan State. He started on the
left side.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
Speed played his first four years at Georgia and really
couldn't get on the field, okay, and then he went
to Michigan State for his last year. Right, I'm not
that's the one that I'm thinking of. Right, he went
to Michigan State is last year and he was okay,
Yeah he's okay.

Speaker 11 (01:11:49):
Yeah, I saw some fifty was okay, But I think
it was a.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Big difference big ten passing games and SEC passing games.

Speaker 11 (01:11:56):
Yea, it might be.

Speaker 10 (01:11:57):
Well.

Speaker 11 (01:11:57):
Y'all have a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Thanks, appreciate you all your calls. Thank you quick email
that just popped up. That made me laugh. Sam from
Maryland waging and love the show and the draft coverage.
I compiled a few of the best quotes of the draft.
Oh boy, yeah, these were good. Mike, this is one
of mine. Something about kids in suits just bothers me.
It's true. Then then Matisa was like, it's to make

(01:12:20):
a wish kid out.

Speaker 9 (01:12:21):
Damn it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Fred, Wait, who did they take? Who was picked? What
player is going? As you know, classic Fred playing the hits.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
You can fill in the blame for any situation in
the first round.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Yeah, Paul, they're going to trade their third round pick
for Force for seven fourths and have all of the
fourth round. Fred. We don't want to bore people, Paul
too late. Those are a few few highlights from our
from our draft. Paul, why don't you tell that? Why
don't you tell the audience how how the draft show performed?

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
We got you'd be able to talk about this a
little bit too. We got some numbers from our illustrious
Chris Ferrara, and there they compile the NFL compile some
numbers off of Draft weekend video. So there are different things.
But the most watched draft show was the Cowboys. Not

(01:13:09):
surprisingly they own they owned the NFL, and we were
second behind Dallas. Now, the gap between Dallas and the
Patriots is about one hundred and fifty thousand, so it
was significant. They had over two hundred thousand like that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
Was well, and we also heard that they might have
been Now yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
Now we're also calling into question, which I like our
social media team, the whole mail came to our defense.
Evidently Dallas was on for five hours videos and we're
told that we can only be on for an hour.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Well, they got to get their guy and everyone wants
to see it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
So if we were on for five hours, that maybe
we continue to you know, rack up the clicks in
the beginning of videos and whatnot. But so we want
to thank The bottom line is Mike gives us an
opportunity to thank you guys for making sure that we
finished so high in that ranking, because that means a
lot to us. It's because there was so many people
that were interested in not only the Patriots Draft, but

(01:14:04):
what we had to say about it, So thank you
to everybody. See, I don't always criticize no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Especially while Look there's a difference between like the general
you know, Patriots fan that is just as like you know,
just refuses to believe that they haven't won the Super
Bowl every year for the last twenty years. And then
you know our fans who listen to us, you know,
we get both sides of things, and we have fun
with it. So we we of course appreciate everybody. That's
that's what it's all about. Sticking with the emails here,

(01:14:30):
and I hope I'm doing a good job on these,
because a great Josh. I'm gonna wait for Audrey to
thank you, though, but I'll wait for her. Towagh In Mike,
I found out after Tuesday show you were born in Rochester,
New Yorky. It's true. I'm surprised because I've never heard
anyone admit to being born there. I was learning how
long you stayed there and what your favorite attraction, So
I explained it. I mean, I was my parents were

(01:14:51):
there for a few years while my dad was working
at Wilson's Sporting Goods. Wilson yeah, support supplying a lot
of turned into a Audrey uh sort of, of course, of
course he did. But then I moved here, uh to
wonderful Holliston, Massachusetts. I think I was about one year old,
so I grew up around here. So I have no
memory of Rochester or anything like that. But it's just
it's one of those random things that I have nothing

(01:15:13):
to do with that, but that is where when like,
where's your place at birth? That's what I gotta put down.

Speaker 9 (01:15:17):
So but you're you're a mass whole at heart.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
I mean, Mike, at least you have stories to tell.
I mean, you could be like me and born in Boston,
you grew up in Everett, went to college in Boston,
working in Boston.

Speaker 9 (01:15:28):
High school with with Meredith Gray high school.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Oh I did. Yeah, I should say no, but but
we should take was that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
I know she fancies herself Pompeo. Now we went to
high school together. She was a year behind.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
I mean, if if if I'm allowing Star Wars questions today,
which we've gotten none I've yet, and Matisa is way
in on Grey's Anatomy right now, so our Grays, our
Grays fans out there, if you if you've got some
marriage questions.

Speaker 5 (01:15:53):
It's amazing to me that, of all people, tease.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Is so I don't get any he keeps complaints against
I can't stop, I can't plan't stop, won't stop it
died down.

Speaker 9 (01:16:02):
What's the draft game?

Speaker 10 (01:16:03):
Throw?

Speaker 9 (01:16:03):
Because I like my late round picks over the heart surgeries.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
So nice. Nice, that's good. Mark from Tennessee love the show.
Really feel the Patriots should have drafted offensive tackle in
the draft. I'm worried about the longevity of the tackles
we have on the roster. Also, I'm concerned about max armstrength.
He's not able to put the ball down field with
much power. He puts a huge arc on the throws
down the field, giving defenders more time to get in
position to make the play on the ball.

Speaker 9 (01:16:27):
It's called the touch pass.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
Yeah, I think he throws a good deep ball in
that regard, but I would agree with the criticism of it.
It does take a while to get there, and I
think that we've seen examples of plays that were there
to be made that maybe the timing wasn't quite on.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
But he's got to be on with the offense, and
I think that's what exposed him a little bit last
year was just that the offense wasn't coordinated in a
way that he could go through progressions and take advantage
of what he does well. And I you know, I think,
if he can't know this is the throw, I've got
to make it at this exact moment to get it
there at the right time. And you know, it's kind

(01:17:03):
of like what we saw with Cam Newton when he
was late to see something and he tried to put
more juice in it, and it just you can't catch
up once you missed the window. So I'm hoping it's
not as much of an issue. But I think, as
Paul will tell you when we're watching games up in
the press box and Mac lobs won and well, part
of that is get there.

Speaker 5 (01:17:20):
Part of that is the depth perception that we deal
no seriously because I mean that I thought that on
a lot of different throws that I've seen over the years,
not just Mac, but you know, like I think back
to the playoff game in Buffalo. I mean, I know
a lot of people just you know, everybody just we'll
take a lot of touchdowns on like seven drives.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Yeah, they did, they did.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
They also had a chance to score when they had
the ball and didn't like the first I don't know
five times they had it, and the first drive of
that game was actually probably the best driver of the
whole night. And they moved the ball down into scoring
territory and they dialed up a play that was there
and the receiver was open, and the deep ball that
mac threw took a little too long to get there

(01:18:02):
and was thrown in the wrong side. It was a
little short and it got picked off, remember, unfortunately by
one of the safeties, because they're the same to me, Jordan,
it was one of them. And evidently it was the
greatest play in the history of safety play because that's
everybody has completely absolved the quarterback of any responsibility for
that play.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
Well, Evan puts some on Agla for not going up
for that, I think.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
For not doing much to break it up, but the
fact that it wasn't a touchdown is one hundred percent
on the quarterback.

Speaker 9 (01:18:30):
I think the biggest issue is that you watch Macla.
I think Max fine, like, could be worse, could be better.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
But sure, that's exactly how I feel about.

Speaker 9 (01:18:36):
It's fine, he gets the job done, but then you
get to like, you know, the Monday night game, the
Sunday night game, and you're watching mahomes Josh Allen, and
like that's a different level arm strength and there's just
so much more speed on the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
So and I knew, I knew Evan was leaving when
when him and Alex had to go in and do
the interviews. But like, you know, and that was part
of what I would I would clap back with. And
you know, his numbers were actually pretty good, good when
when he was protected. I'd just like to like to
see the quarterback whose numbers are bad when protected. I

(01:19:07):
don't think there are any, you know, I think that
most guys, if they're given the time and they're in
the NFL, they gotta find ways to complete passes. I
think the ones that separate themselves are the ones that
can do it quickly and the ones that can do
it off platform.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
I think two. The interesting thing for me that I
always hate, I hate bringing up Brady with these kind
of things, but just when a game is going one way,
and you know, I just I think the big thing
with the Mac offense of the last couple of years
is just they struggle to flip the switch in a
game and if it starts off bad, it kind of
stays bad, you know. I mean, I think last year
with Minnesota, you got maybe a little bit of them,

(01:19:45):
like it wasn't great, but then they kind of picked
it up and started playing well. I just feel a
lot with this team. You get what you get when
with them, like what you see out of the shoot
against the bat they come out there looking feeling good
against the bad team. And I agree with that, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
I think, especially when they start bad, it doesn't generally
turn around. Now that Minnesota game was the opposite. They
started good and then finished bad. They couldn't do anything
in the fourth quarter. But for the most part, I
would agree with you. I've seen them have, you know,
not much success in the first quarter of games, and
it doesn't generally just magically turn around. And hopefully with

(01:20:19):
the coaching change, we won't see as much of that,
see a little bit more consistency with production.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
Well, SPI is weighing in here via email Happy fourth.
I appreciate that, he said, Hey, matis amazing episode when
Joe met her mom, right, I don't know what that means.
Speed speed speed right in a deep right there, he said. Anyway,
if MLB wears a Maglio jersey during the pitch, it
will be the height of hypocrisy. And I hope you

(01:20:45):
call her out because oh that's a good point. Not
a jersey, But I would allow the exception because don't
you have to wear like to do that?

Speaker 5 (01:20:53):
Wouldn't that sort of be something they give you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
She can't go out like all glammed up like meg
moa rant like in her.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
Wwe Oh they can't do that. I can't throw it that.
You make a wrong move and all of a sudden
it's Janet Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
He got to just keep smelling it now.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
I miss Megan. I was excited for though. That's that's
that's Cody, Cody and Indiana ways in. Hey, guys, I
have an over under for Paul. What are the chances
of getting a Pats from the Past featuring none other
than Tom Brady over under? Twenty five percent? Just want
to that series is awesome and you guys do a
great job of it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
I'll take the under, but that doesn't mean what we
won't try.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
Yeah, like he you know what, that might be a
life taping.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
Well, here's the thing is my guess is in the
coming years, we're going to have Tom Brady here on
I would say multiple occasions to honor him, and I
would never say never if we can get him, just
you know, he's Who's who's honored Tom Brady? Who's honor?

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
Got it it? Your family's on it all right? Every
now and then it's some nonsense.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
You have to apologize, you up, you have to apologize
to me for that because I didn't get it immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
That's on me. That's honor, bro. That wasn't on you.
Mand was on mere would have right now.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
But who's honor?

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
I was.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
I was playing the role of a straight man in
that one. Excuse me, Tom, but he's gonna be here.
And I would say, there's always when you have the
guy already here, there's always a chance. Now, I would
say less than twenty five percent, because I'm not sure
that's something that's on his radar. Like to sit down
for a half hour forty five minutes with Matt Smith.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
I mean, I mean, I'm sure it would be good.
I don't know how how really good it would be, Like,
I mean, he seems kind of guarded. Maybe it could
be good, But I'm gonna say, now, why not get
very if you could get Rabel, you know, at some.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Point absolutely try to get him. And we have a
couple in the works that we're trying to get. I'm
not going to say the names in case they don't
end up coming to fruition, but there should be a
couple at least one in the near future, like within
the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
Like Mike Cloud, maybe getting those deep this is good.
I got Actually I had a question for you, maybe
I can do it on the air to tease. So
gonna try to do a two thousand and three podcasts
like I did for two thousand and one, and I was,
you know, trying to build the roster of people to interview,
and Mike Cloud just popped up as a name to
me of like, who would be kind of an interesting
perspective of a guy who just kind of was here

(01:23:25):
for one year. It didn't really you know, was somehow
involved in it. But I see game. I don't know
if that's any Tennessee. Yeah, I mean he had a
couple like I think he had like five or six
touchdowns during the year. I don't know if there are
players you think from two thousand and three you'd really
like to hear from from that two thousand and three
oh four, that that that was what I was kind
of looking. I mean, Copin is an interesting one because
he was a rookie, you know, kind of coming in
but teeing that up a little bit.

Speaker 16 (01:23:47):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
And if you guys have ideas, please please send them
my way. I got to read this one though. Chris
from New Hampshire weighing in about our favorite restaurant teas
are your Josey Mikes guy? How big are you? You're
not as big as you got me onto it. Now
you have the King of Jersey Mike's re entering the
student cut that meat. Y'all have convinced me to give
Jersey Mikes a second chance went years ago, and oh boy,

(01:24:09):
it was awful. I've just finished eating the super Sub
Mike's way. Good for you taken on a super sub
and will admit I'm rather pleased. I'm planning on trying
the big Kahuna next. Does anyone have a must try recommendation? Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:24:22):
Is the super sub specific sub?

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
I think you're right. Originally just took that as I
was thinking of everyone. I don't know what I'm not,
but I think super side all the meats. Why are
we asking questions, what a wondering what is the Super
Football film? And it is.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
I believe it's the one that has like the seven
different types of meats or whatever it is that they
have on the on the on the menu, right, you know,
I cam and beat roast, beef and turkey, and I
believe that one I think is like it's a warm
I think it's a chicken or cheese, steak, syriaki. Yeah, yeah,

(01:25:01):
it's something. It's it's a it's a grilled sub. It's
not a it's not a cold.

Speaker 9 (01:25:05):
Take a steak and cheese, hot peppers. Keep a simple the.

Speaker 5 (01:25:07):
Chipotle steak and cheese. That's really really good.

Speaker 9 (01:25:11):
If I'm going that direct, I'm not a cold sandwich. Guys.

Speaker 5 (01:25:13):
Well, I generally go with the thirteen. But that's just
you know, straight straight Italian.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
All Right, I finally got a Star Wars question, and
I'm Paul, You're just gonna have to humor us here
for a second, and I'm gonna I'm like, I'm a
same player. I can play along. I love Matt Morela
to weigh in on this too, so Matt, listen up,
hey gang. Earlier this week I went to see Return
of the Jedi in the theaters for the fortieth anniversary
of episode six. I'll ask a Star Wars question. Thank you, Eric,
what's your favorite Star Wars movie? And why there?

Speaker 9 (01:25:38):
You go?

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Pretty easy? Maybe a basic candor, but mine is episode five.
Just love seeing Vader vers Luke. May the fourth be
with you and go Pats Evan.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
I have an opinion about how they labeled the episodes. Perfect, Okay,
it's one through three and everything else, Like, did I
understand the diehard Star Wars fans or such? I shouldn't
say that I don't know what the diami and everything else. Yeah,
there's no there's.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
Because that's Morell's tape. There's no.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
There's no like four five six is not four five six,
four five six is one two three? All right, But
the pre quills and the New ones don't don't count. Okay,
that's that's my my.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
You think that's strongly against them. They don't even count.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Yes, I they're good, Marilla.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
You're about to get choked out by a former marine.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
There's there, there's former marines.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
There are. There are good qualities about the prequels and
the New Ones, but the original trilogy is the original
trilogy right like there there's no there's no touch in
the originals. That's that's all I'm saying. That's that's coming
from somebody that is too young to have seen them,
like when they originally came out, too, And I'm telling
you that.

Speaker 9 (01:26:49):
What was that?

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
Like I told you I saw Star Wars when it
originally came out in in the.

Speaker 9 (01:26:56):
I'm an Empire starkes back Guy Empires. The thing is like,
like I was so young because my grandparents had the VHS,
so that's like what I watched growing up. But I
remember seeing the special edition Attack of the Clones in
theaters and I loved it. But now when I look
back on.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
Matt anything to say, he's just he's bright red, he looks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Fantom Menace is my favorite Star Wars. No, it's not,
absolutely is It's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
The dialogue is your favorite Star Wars movie?

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Double just really like rand Force uses.

Speaker 9 (01:27:29):
Epic, I love. I loved Force Awakens until the others
came out. Now I don't like anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna handle those movies. Because c G.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
I was new and agree.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
I was a product Marine on this. Phantom Menace was
the first Star Wars that my generation got to see
in theaters and and do that whole thing with so
that I, as a kid, I probably watched Phantom Menace
a hundred times because what did I know about the
the you know, the quality of the movie, his lightsabers,
his gun fights, there's you know, the flying around and

(01:28:01):
things like how what more could you as a as
an eight year old kid? What more could you possibly want?

Speaker 9 (01:28:06):
The best best movie poster ever is probably that way.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
There were there was so much hype. I'm Empire. I
had a record of Empire that I used to just
listen to, so that whole movie is burning in my brain.
I also just shout out Rogue one and the whole
Mando thing, like I just think that that stuff has
been amazing and or that was great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Too, and the Duel of the Fates the best soundtrack.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
So I got to take on this. I knew this
was gonna come up with your son. I knew this
was gonna come up. I knew this was gonna come up.
And and I think the reason you can't take that
away from Matt is because and and for you guys
is that you saw it as kids. So that was
like so at the time, you weren't like judging a
movie from that, so it's was a favorite. There's plenty
of movies I watched as a kid that were are
terrible now, but I would just say like I was
like a college senior when Phantom Menace came out, and

(01:28:47):
I'm big Star Wars NERD was so excited. I bought
like the soundtrack. I'm listening to Duel of the Fates.
I'm like, yeah, this is gonna be so awesome. And
then you know, it's just like right as I'm graduating
from college. We we actually had like one of the
final nights at Holy Cross. Everybody dressed up, so we went,
Me and all my buddies all as all the Star Wars.
We put a keg on rollerblades with duct tape and
rolled the keg in is R two D two. That's

(01:29:08):
how like excited we all were. And then I went
and I saw it and I was like, what.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
It was just amazing, Like talking to two people, you know,
my age and with marine and stuff like our our
view of Phantom Menace is so much different than people
that were a little bit older than us when it
came out, and that I think is is really interesting.
I love Empire. The first like hour of Return of

(01:29:33):
the Jedi, though, is is fantastic in my mind. I
think that was the first real introduction to like you know,
oh sorry I was I was too young for that, micuh,
but the first that like Luke is like a full
on Jedi at that point, right, so he's you know,
when he takes down the job of the hut. That

(01:29:54):
that right there was like my iconic scene as a kid,
just remembering him, you know, do the flip and the
lightsaber and just go on as.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
Yeah, I know, we better get off of this before
we lose.

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
That was fantastic, not at all, I will say this.
You know, the Phantom Menace when it came out, it
was a little bit before I started here, And uh, Fred,
who is I think Matt, You're probably the only one
that would blow Fred away in terms of your just
fandom for Star Wars. He declared her the day off

(01:30:28):
for the entire department. He had the intern at the
time go stand it because this was before like you know,
all the the onset of all the online and phones
and all that stuff. So he had an intern go
and stand in line and get tickets for everybody, and
it was required that they all went, and they all went.
You know, Brian Morey was still here. I'm guessing Mike
Reese was still here. You know, some of the people

(01:30:51):
behind the scenes in production and design, they all went
to Phantom Menace because Fred declared it a requirement.

Speaker 17 (01:30:59):
Had we not been on year for the draft, we
all would have been all at Patriot Place watching Return
of the Jedi.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
I would have gone, we all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
You would have been there too. I would drag you.

Speaker 4 (01:31:08):
No, no, no, no, you wouldn't have been. Yeah, I
gotta I gotta agree with Christopher Colfax, hero who writes
and he says, my personal favorite is Revenge of the Sith,
which I for me is the only you know that's okay?
That one's pretty good. Lightsaber battle choreography is incredible in
the prequels, particularly number three. However, more importantly, Lord of
the Rings is better.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
You you get out of here right, absolutely, not, oh
my goodness, but Revenge of the Sith. My cousin he's eighteen,
and he's really into Star Wars more than new stuff
obviously than than the old stuff. But that's the one
movie that my aunt is like, I'll watch that one
with him like that one's actually like pretty pretty good,
but he u he loves you know, Kylo Wren and

(01:31:47):
like all the new villains and he's a villains.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
I just want to go up to a nd No,
it's terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Stop there. So yeah, he went to not terrible. He
went to Star Wars in Disney and he made a
lightsaber at the lightsaber thing and he made a red
lightsaber and I couldn't go because during the season and
he comes home with it and I'm like checking it out.
I'm like, this thing is so super cool and I'm
and I and I was like, oh, of course it's red,

(01:32:14):
like because he's Darth Vader and Kylo are his two favorites.
And uh my, my parents and my aunt are like wait,
like it's like the villains. It's red because he likes
evil people. Like this is not good. And I was like,
let the kid live. I like whatever he wants.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
I've been to the Disneyland make your Own Lightsaber factory
and it's like super cool. I was like I was
near now when I was six years old again, because
I grew up with like a flashlight. You know, you're
making the noise. You never really actually have now they
have like these real ones that that look real all right.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
The Disney wants are Lightsaber the one he has.

Speaker 5 (01:32:44):
You guys, when someone writes in and gives me a
quiz on past Patriots numbers, you guys, don't storm off
on a set.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
No, I just I just in awe of you of
your knowledge. But we will just jump back to the
funds real quick, because Christian's been hanging on. Hey, Christian,
how a chrish jhan.

Speaker 9 (01:33:03):
Oh lost him?

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
No, nothing's still there, man, he probably he probably zoned
out about the Star Wars up. Let's keep it going though, Patty, Patty.

Speaker 10 (01:33:14):
Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 25 (01:33:15):
Guys?

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
Star Wars? Get us off it?

Speaker 25 (01:33:20):
All right, I'll throw a Star Wars opinion out, but
I wanted to throw it at an opinion I had.
Uh the other night. Might have been the marijuana that
was making me think of think about this. But you
know how we always say, like, you know, look at
what Bill does. Don't don't listen to what he says.
And I think, just from my perspective, I think the

(01:33:41):
whole Mac thing got blown out of proportion just because
I think if it was really that bad, if it
was really that toxic. I mean, we've seen him bench
Malcolm Butler in the biggest game of the frigging year.
He knew he had a quarterback that could play sitting
behind Max. But I think if that was really that
bad as bad as like it got blow enough to
be that he would have just started Bailey for like

(01:34:03):
three or four of the last games.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
But I'll say, what if it wasn't his choice.

Speaker 25 (01:34:10):
Well, maybe he might be right, Paul.

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
But oh, I don't. I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:34:13):
I'm just given another side of it. I'm not necessarily
giving you what my view of that is. But it
may not have been his choice.

Speaker 25 (01:34:22):
But we've also heard Roberts say that, like he lets.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
He loves him the football thing.

Speaker 5 (01:34:26):
But he also has said many times that he loves
Mac and Bill hasn't.

Speaker 25 (01:34:33):
Before the before I get to my start wars quick
one at you who was known as the Undertaker?

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
Was that? I missed the question?

Speaker 25 (01:34:44):
What former Patriot player was known as the Undertaker?

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
Oh, Vincent Brown, Yes, sir, So I like Phantom Menace.

Speaker 25 (01:34:52):
I was twenty two when it came out. I thought
it was actually not that bad of a movie. I mean,
I think, all.

Speaker 5 (01:34:57):
Right, I think it's just one of the greatest calls
that we've ever had. I mean, he touched on on
current day, Current Day Patriots with Mac and Bill, Old
School with Vincent Brown, and now he brings it back
on topic with Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
I mean, I think this is a great Jordan's furnishure.
You get it for free.

Speaker 5 (01:35:16):
Well done, Well done, Patty.

Speaker 25 (01:35:20):
But you know, jar Jar was annoying, and I think
too many people talking about things getting overblown. I mean,
if you take Jarjar out of the movie, it's a
really good movie. And as far as like the News
sequel series, I thought The Force Awakens was definitely the
best of the bunch. I think they really missed the
boat on the last Jedi. You know, that's that's just

(01:35:41):
my opinion of And of course this may sound ridiculous,
like I think Godfather Too is a better movie, but
Godfather wons my favorite of the series in the same
sense like the original Star Wars is my favorite movie
of all time. But I will admit that Empire is
a better movie. If that makes any sort of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
Yeah, I think that's a fair point.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
I think so, yeah, it totally makes sense. Thanks, Patty.
I just don't think you can qualify the first one
as like being part of the judgment of what's the
best one, because there wouldn't be any of this without
that one. It just kind of stands above that.

Speaker 5 (01:36:13):
You know, what if I told you that, what if
I told you the only one I've put.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
At thirty for thirty first, that'd be all right, Paul,
you got things to do. Although DJ Rhymes chimes in,
Rogue one is the best Star Wars movie, and I'm
old enough to say that Keon White is going to
be a monster, and you guys are the best podcast
in existence. Thanks for picking me up twice to thrice.
Another great emails a week, another great.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Well that they have very different opinions on the first
two things, he said, So I'm surprised that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:42):
Evan's so great. Lee Lee chimes in and said, I
really liked Evan until he said he was eight when
The Phantom Menace came out. Get off my lawn, Lazare Yeah,
I say it all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Get I think I might have been even younger. I
want to say, Phantom Menace is ninety eighty nine.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
Seven.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
It was just before I started work seven.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
That's ten.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
Yeah. Robert Robert in San Diego via Connecticut just chimed
in and said, the best Star Wars movie is clearly Spaceball.
You've seen space Schwartz. Schwartz is as big as mine.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Rogue one is fantastic, But like, let's not it's not
the greatest Star Wars movie of all of all. No,
let's let's relax with that. It's a great it's it's
the best of the New ones by far.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
Yeah, absolutely dark, and you're like, at a certain point
in movie, you're like, are they gonna die? Like crazy?
Really going where?

Speaker 9 (01:37:29):
I think it's just crazy? They cut out, like what
an hour of it? Matt, you hear about that?

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
Yeah, it was a disaster. There were a lot of
like you know, shots from like them running across it,
like get shot at It never actually happened. I recut,
but hey, it all worked out right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
And then the end scene with with Vader and the
whole thing. I just the movie boilers for fantastic. Like
Paul hasn't even seen the two and three. He's not
going to go on to Road one.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
I like he saw the original Star Wars the Empires.
He probably had some friends that were excited to go
see it. He's like, man, good. No, I liked it,
like I'm drinking, I got girls.

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
No, I went with my my grandmother actually took my
brother and I to see it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
We we all like we liked it.

Speaker 5 (01:38:12):
Yeah, I just I guess maybe I was a little
older when Empire came out and I was kind of
not really as interested.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
I don't. I'm just it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
I wish that I had a passion for it, like
you guys do really for anything. No, I mean, I
just it's just not my thing, Like Matt, Matt makes
fun of me all the time. It's the same with
all the like the comic book, like the superhero movies,
and you know, I like, what is it twenty is
it twenty three of them? How many of the like

(01:38:42):
the marvel in thirties?

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
Like too much time for that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:45):
I've probably seen five of them, you know, maybe and
I've never seen one that I came out. Oh my god,
I can't believe I just watching. No, they're entertaining, like
I enjoy them, it's just not.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
I was number twenty three on my shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
It's just not my thing. That's That's a lot. And
and and Reno emails in and says, on this day,
May the fourth belive you. I've got to say, I've
never seen a single Star Wars movie, and I'm twenty eight,
so it's not like I'm young. Ca Marie, Matt and
Deuce and everybody else. Explain why one day I should
watch them. I'm not gonna say you should watch all them.
Just watch the original Star Wars.

Speaker 16 (01:39:16):
Do it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
You don't appreciate it, I don't watch you watch it
go somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
I love that.

Speaker 9 (01:39:20):
I'm saying, if you had the three years of the
pandemic and you didn't watch it, just don't.

Speaker 4 (01:39:24):
Yeah, I mean, it might not be your thing, but
I think I don't think anybody's gonna be mad to
sit through a new Hope and feel like I've burned,
you know, hours a month. It's an easy watch.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
The best thing I can, I guess I can say
about it is is like I don't know. I was
obviously very a nerd, as you could probably tell as
a kid, and that was like living out they lived
out in the movie. What like you're you would live
out if you were in space and like you were,
you know, in that world, right like you could you
could put yourself in their shoes and be like dang,

(01:39:54):
it would be like super cool to like fire around
the Millennium falcon and like, you know, do all this
crazy stuff. And that was like what got me into
it one hundred percent was you know, I had all
the lightsabers, and you know, you had you did all
this stuff as a kid, and you just like put
yourself in that world and you immerse yourself in and
you're like, oh, yeah, this is I used to.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Take my take my han solo guy and I put
him in a cup of water and I'd freeze him
and then I'd wait, you know, like actually seven hours later,
I'd be like, Okay, he's frozen, and they'd be like right,
melt hm out.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:40:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
Yeah, I'm not a lot of banker, but kind of
like lobster.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
I wanted I was more of a luke guy. I'm
not gonna lie.

Speaker 5 (01:40:28):
What year did Empire Strikes Back come out?

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
Eighty eighty? Yes, yeah, I think it was eighty and
eighty three or.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
Four, because it was seventy I think it was seventy seven, right.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
For the original seven eighty, So like I'm just thinking
I was nine woint and then twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
Like to me, there's a little bit of a difference there.
Maybe I just wasn't as interested in going to see
at that time, you know, because.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
You know, well you were probably like into girls and
boosting cars correctly, well, boosting cars, not so much.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Completely infetchated was playing with the save you were, Skywalker?

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
I bet you were playing with something all right, he's back,
Christian from la Hey, Christian, thanks for calling back in.

Speaker 15 (01:41:09):
Hey guys, Yeah, made the Fourth be with you.

Speaker 13 (01:41:11):
I remember how important Star Wars was to me because
in this galaxy far far away, a long long time ago,
which was the past I was. I was flabbergasted by
the fact that everyone had British accent. I'm like, how
the hell was the British empire that far back?

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
Eventually you just ruined Star Wars for us.

Speaker 20 (01:41:31):
Thanks.

Speaker 13 (01:41:33):
Eventually I saw the one and only person of African
descent like me in the movies, you know, Billy d
Williams as and let me tell you, I went as
Lando cal Risian for the next five years. The Fourth,
guys that I just switched that this year for us,

(01:41:54):
for a team I over under is I believe that
the addition of ju jusus guys, and maybe I'll to
fly it pan out. I think I can win. I'll
let you guys take it from there. But I made
it fun with your guys always.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
Thank you appreciate it, just to share. I use a
Lando quote a lot that it just comes out of me.
What do we here? Yeah, that's mine.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
I actually really liked uh. I know, Solo is something
that is a very touchy subject. I think for a
lot of Star Wars people about it actually being good
or not. But I love the scenes of like young
Lando and like getting to understand how they became friends,
and because he just kind of comes out of nowhere
in the originals and it's just like, oh, I just
have this buddy named Lando who can help us. So

(01:42:37):
it's just cool to get those types of backstories.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
It was a good movie. You got screwed on its
release date.

Speaker 3 (01:42:42):
I agree. I thought Solo was pretty solid as well.

Speaker 5 (01:42:44):
I saw it in anybody Who's angry about this?

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
We went to Jordan's Furniture and Natick and saw it
in the Imax, me and my cousin. I really enjoyed it. Actually,
it did.

Speaker 5 (01:42:54):
So how many of the movies morel You're probably not
a good gauge on this, but how many of the
Star Wars movies. Did you guys actually physically go to
a theater to see.

Speaker 9 (01:43:05):
Like everything from Phantom Menesot, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
I've seen. I've seen all nine of all New two.
I think I've seen all.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
Of them because I was thinking, maybe, you know, as
an excuse for myself, which obviously is not an excuse
at all, because you guys just blew it up. Then
you always like you had no other alternative. Well, you
weren't getting a DVD, you weren't plugging it in your VCR,
you weren't waiting for it to come out on Netflix,
like you had to go to the theater to see it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
Yeah, well it's been three three you guys all did that.
Well it's been three. Well it's three separate things for
me because as a kid, I went with my parents
going to the theater, and I guess they took me
down Press Strike strikes back a bunch, they said. Then
I was like in my twenties, like graduating college in
my twenties, and it was like, you know, we're kind
of like just everybody was so excited. But then these
last ones, it's been cool because I have kids and

(01:43:50):
you get to like experience it with them and share
the passion you have for it. I mean, I'm far
more connected with my kids about Star Wars than the Patriots, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:43:56):
Well, that's why I feel with my cousin, any of
the Batman's or Spider Man, any of those that I've seen,
it's all been taking my kids Batman versus Superman like,
like I said, every one of them I've gone to see,
I've never left and said, I can't believe I just
wasted my money on that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
That's just how it worked.

Speaker 9 (01:44:12):
What was the one that came out again, I forget
the name of the Attack of the Clones, Revenge of
the Revenge of Sith. I saw that at the well
Fleet drive in. It was a double feature and that
was first. I was so excited. And then The Longest
Yard of Adam Sandler was on after and I like
that way more.

Speaker 4 (01:44:30):
The original Longest Yard. I think if they remade Revenge
of the sit they could they could really knock it
out of the park if they really really wanted to
take it to the next level. Speed speech chiming in
about and or Yes, and or was was very good.
It was like an adult Star Wars show, not not
all the fan service kind of stuff, but but just
probably good TV show. Alright, I'm trying to find some
football stuff here.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
It's okay, do you have any now you're embracing the
off season, Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
If it's about Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
J Just so you know, a lot of.

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
The shows are about Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
What uh what? What was up with the gaziki?

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
Though we talked about Star Wars for the whole time.
He did mention that he's he's just gonna let it
come natural, right, He's not He's not. Multiple people he did. Yeah,
he did say that he's not ruling it out. That
you know, he's not saying like, oh it's dead. You know,
I'm not going to do it. He said he's not

(01:45:22):
ruling it out. Somebody did ask him if he compared
his to Mac Jones as yet and and there was
that kind of back and forth. But I think that
the two things that that stood out about him were,
you know, he's he just looks like an athlete, which
we knew because he's a great athlete, and he tested
out of the out of the moon at the Combine
when he came out of Penn State. But look, just

(01:45:44):
looks the part, right, just come in the room, tall,
athletic build, just exactly what you would expect. And I
thought it was interesting what he was saying about the
connections that he has to Bill O'Brien into this offense.
You know, chat O'Shea and some of the Patriot coaches
that were down there with Brian Flores in Miami, and
that Bill Brian recruited him to Penn State, didn't actually

(01:46:04):
coach him at Penn State because he went to the
Texans before that, but recruited him out to Penn State.
So he said he kind of just picked up right
where they left off back in twenty thirteen on those
recruiting visits and things like that. So I'm cautiously optimistic that,
you know, I think we all know that to beat
out Johnny Smith's production is not really going to take

(01:46:25):
a whole lot out of Micah Siki, But I think
that he's one of those guys that seems like he's
buying in immediately to the program. The last thing that
he did say that's probably gonna it's the most impression
tweets so far from the press conference on my feet,
and that is that he was roommates with Mac Jones
for a little while. When he first got to New

(01:46:46):
England back in March, she was living in Mac and
Sophie's basement. So that was the big one. I think
was as well as some bodying since yeah, he said that,
you know, the Mexic got a pretty good setup over there.
We're not gonna say where, We're gonna say over there.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
Pretty good son. Yeah, yeah, now you got a tight
end living with us.

Speaker 5 (01:47:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
I had to go into myself, why is she like,
I don't know, I don't know. That's that's my character
and I'm sticking to it that she's just like it
is so bizarre. Sorry to go back to Star Wars percent,
but Speed chimes in and speak, credit to you for
all the great emails. But he says Jedi is my
favorite of them all. But adding the CGI to the
episodes was the national tragedy. They ruined the band in

(01:47:29):
Jabba's Palace and the ewok Yupnubs song. I agree one
hundred percent. Like I just the changes that they went
back and made it just like takes me.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
Well, let me let me ask you guys this uch.

Speaker 5 (01:47:38):
You guys are missing the visual of the utter disgust
that Morrell has with every passing email, so price because
I'll tell.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
You, kid, Evin really wonders this a lot about this.
What was the difference between jar Jar and the Ewoks,
because like they're both kind of these like annoying, like
Disney esque things that like we really don't need.

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
I don't know it just now, Morel's gonna say, well,
if you don't know, I'm not.

Speaker 9 (01:48:03):
Gonna you can see the steam coming out of No.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
I'm just saying, like I think that I think Jargar
is worse.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
Don't you writing that they turned the lightsaber blue instead
of white?

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
Really really it's clearly worse. But I'm just saying, like, what.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
Line. That's a great line, Morel, we're on video map
that supports your.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
I he should be sitting here.

Speaker 5 (01:48:27):
I mean he's actually you should be sitting Then you
guys could have your.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
Star Wars fil monsters.

Speaker 5 (01:48:36):
Little.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
I think Charger gets an unfair shake.

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
Yeah, well, I mean someone I just lost the email here,
like Fred, they're not magically deleting. But but somebody mentioned
that at one point the plan was to have jar
j RB. It was always the ultimate bad guy with
villain right.

Speaker 9 (01:48:50):
It was always jar was.

Speaker 17 (01:48:51):
Gonna be the ultimate sithe and then they, uh, he
was racist and.

Speaker 5 (01:48:54):
Said, so you said that on the show. It was
he was so hated that they.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
When we're eating the draft the other day, Yeah, yeah,
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:01):
I see. There's nothing about him that looks intimidating, like
you're never like you can't.

Speaker 9 (01:49:07):
That's a bit of bad call.

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
Uh let's jump back to the phone here real quick
as we come down the home stretch with Jake and Georgia. Hey, Jake,
thanks for calling in.

Speaker 15 (01:49:15):
Hey guys, star Wars fan. Unfortunately, I grew up not
actually watching any of it, but during COVID i was
Spike TV, I was like, Okay, you know what, I'm
just gonna watch the entire original trilogy all at once.
Ended up loving it, and The Force Awakens was coming out,
and that's that took my fandom to.

Speaker 12 (01:49:34):
A whole new level.

Speaker 15 (01:49:37):
I would say that I really despised Star Wars fans.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
No one's like I'm heavy at you.

Speaker 14 (01:49:48):
There's no consensus on like what's good out there for
Star Wars except and or Rogue one and the original trilogy.
Everyone can debate in between. But I would say, uh,
the Force.

Speaker 15 (01:50:03):
Awakens and like the new Star Wars added some great
stuff that I really loved, the combat of the mythology
of like the did I and the prequels ended up
like adding some nuanced to Star Wars because the original
with Star Wars, in my opinion, it's okay, but I
would say we should be talking about Doom, Dune, Dune.

Speaker 4 (01:50:27):
What are we talking about in the original Star Wars? Okay,
had all exact decision that one is ready.

Speaker 3 (01:50:38):
If I was running it, I would have been doing
the same.

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
Thing is a little weird. I mean, I watched the
David Lynch version of Dune growing up and thinking like,
maybe you're getting a Star Wars sci fi kind of thing.
And everybody's like talking about spice and sandworms and that.

Speaker 9 (01:50:53):
The South Park Spice.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
Version not not not not my cup of tea. But
but thank you. I mean, we certainly got and a
lot of people chiming in about about the Star Wars
and I mean, it's a it's fine, you got so
much to discuss, but I agree, like there's just so
many hot takes and if you like it, you like
it all right, I might as well. I'm not wrapping
up yet, but I gotta I gotta read this one.

(01:51:16):
Trent writes in about soap on a slot, Freddy, we
might have a product that combines your soap with a
slot with the ever popular loofa. Picture it if you
will a loofah with a slot to put a soap in.
No more wasting soap slivers, stick them in the slot.
Sick of sick of always adding soap to your loofa
problem solved with the loof of pocket. So it's will

(01:51:37):
never run out, million dollars, million dollar idea. You say
it's all yours in exchange for a PU shirt. So
there have been a lot of emails about PU shirts,
and Matt, I think we have to figure out a
way to distribute those. But I would say I think
we'd all agree that we'll try to get at training camp.
If you're able to make it out to training camp,
I think we'll.

Speaker 5 (01:51:56):
Be Uh, that's where we got to give you the cannon.

Speaker 9 (01:51:58):
Ready, I'm gonna get the T shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:51:59):
Yeah, yeah, the tie has been efforting a T shirt
can which are surprisingly.

Speaker 9 (01:52:03):
Tallall guess how much a T shirt gun is? Please
just guess.

Speaker 5 (01:52:05):
I'm gonna says that's right on the dot.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
But you want to come out, you want Paul to
shoot you in the face with a T shirt gun. Well,
we'll make it happen. Whatever, whatever you need. We just
signed one today too. We signed a tcher to sign them.
Just be careful how many times you watch it, because
I don't know how well they hold up an What
was that? Nothing? What? All right? This one just came up,
but I'm gonna mention it. The five O first Legion.
You guys have heard about that. That's like a a

(01:52:32):
whole band of twenty thousand stormtroopers that go and do
things that might be kind of fun. Get here the
Patriots game? Perhaps back to football though? Were you just
talking to English?

Speaker 9 (01:52:42):
What was that?

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
I have no idea what you don't know? I feel
like Audrey right now is grinding her gears like I'm
grinding her gears with my performance here down the strength
at the time in your head. I apologize. Question regarding
Kendrick from Alex Alex P. I was wondering with Kendrick
Bourne as a clean slate for last year. And if
you think Billy Oh gets the best out of him,

(01:53:03):
or is he just another guy who could be first
to go when the opportunity arises. I think he's an
interesting guy. What do you guys think? It's just how
he's going to fit in here.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
I think that there's two sides to Kendrick Bourne. There's
the one side of where a lot of this fan
base thinks that he's Jerry Rice, and that side I
can't get on board with. But I do think that
there's a world where Kendrick Bourne emerges as that third
guy that he was supposed to be last year and
was towards the end of twenty twenty one. But I
still think that he's a good number three receiver in

(01:53:36):
a good offense. That is a complimentary piece more than
somebody that you're going to funnel things through. But I'm
not rolling out Kendrick Bourne getting back to where he was.

Speaker 5 (01:53:45):
I know that there is nope.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
I agree that's where I'm at.

Speaker 5 (01:53:49):
The only thing I would say on the negative side
with Kendrick Bourne would be if like the two kids
that they took in the sixth round, Let's we talked
about a lot of ifs. You know, if this, if
that you the more, if you have the you know,
probably the work. But let let's just say those two
guys are home runs and they both work out. I
think Kendrick Bourne is a candidate to go in that
in that scenario, but I can absolutely see him getting

(01:54:12):
back to the way he was two years ago and
less like he was as an.

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
Afterthought contract year. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:54:19):
Yeah, yeah, I just think that I think that his
ceiling is in anywhere near his high is a lot
of people that follow the Patriots like every game that
they lost last year is because Kendrick Bourne wasn't actively
involved in the game plan.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
Yeah, I mean that, Like I have the big Kendrick
Bourn highlight that I always go back to is the
touchdown against the Titans where it looked like he was
probably should have got tackled like six times, but like
somehow just made it down the sideline. And I think
that people look at that are like, oh, here's your
yards after catch. Guy, It's like no, I just I
just think that that play was kind of flukey.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
Yeah. No, But I will.

Speaker 5 (01:54:55):
Say that he you know, he can play, like he
has shown the ability to play in the NFL. I
just think that people think that, like Evan said, he's
like showing the ability to be Deebo.

Speaker 4 (01:55:06):
Samuel in the NFL, and he's not like he's just.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
Kind of that Bengals game last year when they finally
did let him play and he made those acrobatic catches
down the field. He can definitely be in a good offense, right,
a weapon in a good offense. I just don't know
what ring on the totem pole is he going to be? Right,
I don't think he's going to be a number one.
Maybe he's a number two if he really hits the potential,

(01:55:31):
but they still don't really necessarily have somebody above him.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
It's like a bigger question for me. I'd love to
he never could ask Bill O'Brien this question, But you know,
just what is the process as an offensive coordinator when
you come into a new system and you say, all right,
here's the pieces that you have. We've got some draft picks,
we've got some free agency capital. You know, what do
you think we need to do with that to complement
what we have? You know, because I'm sure you arrive
places and you're like, I don't like this guy. I

(01:55:56):
can't use him in my offense, or oh this guy
can really do more my offense because of reasons xyz.
You know though, those are the things that what intrigues
him about the pieces that are in place, and you
know how much of an impact did he have on GASICKI,
you know, on Juju like those kind of moves. Was
that targeted because of Bill O'Brien? Was that just kind
of a general move of all right, well this is

(01:56:17):
you know, these are apple storage is we're going to
get you know, a little bit of an upgrade on Jacoby,
or this is a receiving tight end that you know,
we think can do more than you know, maybe that
kind of thing. But I just am interested how he
kind of views this and what he's planning on doing.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
It's also just way wonky like because you don't know
how long he's going to be here for. I mean,
you think it might be a couple of years. But
I think to the point with mac Josh McDaniels is
his offensive coordinator his rookie season. Then McDaniels leaves and
goes to the Raiders, and here we are, right, so
do you go out and sign guys with Bill O'Brien's

(01:56:50):
system in mind, and then recognizing that if it goes
well here for Bill O'Brien, it's probably gonna get a
head job. Maybe not in the NFL, maybe back in college.
But at some point in the next two years, I
would think that somebody's gonna probably look at, oh, well,
he rebilitated mac Jones, and look at the Patriots offense
with that, you know, before him and then after him.
There's a clear difference, and now all of a sudden,

(01:57:10):
he's a head coach again.

Speaker 4 (01:57:11):
Somewhere Yeah, Bill and Vista says, the Big Cahuna is
a hot chicken and cheese and peppers with jalapenos. Come on, Evan,
you need to study more.

Speaker 3 (01:57:18):
I knew it was some sort of hot sandwich and
said chicken.

Speaker 4 (01:57:22):
Yeah, yeah, this is This is a good one from
David subject Paul Snark lives on. I've noticed that when
I'm reading a football take online or in real life,
I can immediately come up with a snarky Paul answer.
For example, I like him but not at fourteen, and
I immediately think, so you don't like him. I just
want to say, thanks for that, Paul. It's true to that.

(01:57:44):
Have you does that consistently happen throughout your life? You
get into people's heads and you.

Speaker 5 (01:57:48):
Oh, I don't I hope not. I don't know, but
I don't know the answer to that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
Lots of Star Wars stuff, lots of PU T shirt
questions and uh oh and Sam, I'm from Kentucky ways
and he never got his T shirt.

Speaker 17 (01:58:02):
Matt Millell, I'm getting through everybody's tea shirts that I
haven't sent out yet. If you haven't got a T shirt,
sent me in your address.

Speaker 5 (01:58:07):
So just to let people know a little bit that, like,
there was someone in the organization who's recently left, and
she was heavily involved in the process of distributing uh stuff,
So we didn't really realize that. I think Mad is
now double. I'm playing ketchup, playing ketchup.

Speaker 4 (01:58:27):
She just wasn't there. She's not there anymore, like ketchup.
All right, we're coming down the stretch here. But this
was funny. Our junior high school com petering out a
little bit here, like dang it, dang it, I didn't
want to. Our junior high school principal, in honor of
Star Wars rented a movie called Ice Pirates, full of
sexual innuendo and never forgotten space Hrpie. I just was

(01:58:48):
thinking of all the stupid spinoffs that they did, like
I remember, like Buckeroot Bonds, I like, you know, in
the eighties, like these movies it's like you're seeing now
with Marvel, you know, like everything like something's a hit
and then everybody's got to try to make like a
b kind of spinoff version, like all those Netflix movies
that are like the Rocking, like everyone has the rock
in them somehow everything and you could tell they shot
it in two different locations with a green screen. But

(01:59:08):
there's like these big actors and.

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
It's like that, you know, everything on Netflix. If something
goes viral on Netflix, this is, you know, great new
TV show and they're right there, there's like six different
versions of it. Or Netflix is getting the true crime
like category. Netflix just has ten true crime things every
week that's new, and it's like I like that one
true crime thing. But like, let's not get crazy murder shows.

Speaker 4 (01:59:30):
Murder shows, they're all over the place.

Speaker 5 (01:59:32):
I mean, there's so many movies that are like remakes
of old TV shows and it just feels like it's
nothing new. Feels like you and your ilk Mic, we've
got lacking the creativity.

Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
Come on, Mike, no, I know that's and that's part
of the reason that was, you know, just annoying because
it's like, oh, this is an established, you know, identity,
this is an established property, like we can remake this
instead of you know, you have people trying to come
up with creative, clever, new ideas like you know, I
mean that's something like Game of Thrones, where it's like
this is established, you know what, you know what it is.
You've got to built in audience. But you know, if

(02:00:02):
somebody came in and tried to pitch you that fantasy show,
you'd be like that, you know much.

Speaker 9 (02:00:06):
He was doubted and now he's a chosen one and
he's gonna do well, that's ever show. He's the chosen one.

Speaker 4 (02:00:11):
Starting the rock all right, that's gonna do it for
us here on Thursday, Patriots on Filter. We'll continue next week.
More free agents will be available. We'll closing in on
some OTA's probably will get a glimpse at some of
these guys out on the field here and in the
coming weeks. But in the meantime, enjoy your weekend and
we will see you next week.

Speaker 3 (02:00:26):
Catch twenty two is still coming.

Speaker 4 (02:00:28):
Yeah that too.

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