Patriots Unfiltered 5/9: 2023 Schedule Predictions, Expectations for Draft Class and Free Agent Additions

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Speaker 5 (00:19):
Matthew Judon and I are roughly the same age. Matthew
Judaan like, I'm just I'm just like what wait what.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah? Right?

Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know, I mean he's not getting any younger. He's
Alex's age.

Speaker 5 (00:30):
I know National podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Podcast because I like to ye my bag baby, that's
what I was playing with my favor anywhere. I bet
you were playing with something.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
And then the end scene with with Vader and the
whole thing. I just love the movie boilers for Polastic.

Speaker 6 (00:53):
I've never seen a single Star Wars movie and I'm
twenty eight, so it's not like I'm young. Camarene, matt
Induce and everybody else. Explain why one day I should
watch them.

Speaker 7 (01:01):
You don't appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I don't want you to watch it. Go somewhere else that,
but I would say.

Speaker 8 (01:08):
Doom exact decision that one.

Speaker 7 (01:13):
Don't get me that they turned the lightsaber blue instead
of white.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Really it's clearly worse, but I'm just saying, like.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
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Speaker 9 (01:47):
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It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium, and uh we
are live two o'clock.

Speaker 6 (01:56):
It's kind of going to do there. I am now
I here. Kind of when you do the COVID shows
and you can't hear yourself and you try to do
jokes and it just feels like it falls flat. It's
hard when you can't hear yourself in your own headset, right, Yeah,
I need more music and the monitor?

Speaker 8 (02:09):
Is that what that means?

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I can hear cow bell? All right?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
But it is I don't think I can hear it is.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
It's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Matisse and faith
in the booth and we have faith that you can
hear us.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Those faith punts never get old. Tell me I try
one every show.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Where's Matt?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Where I don't know.

Speaker 8 (02:29):
I don't know where man is everything.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Can I hear? I hear everything? A waller? Did he
ask for leave?

Speaker 8 (02:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
It looks kind of a wall in here with all
the chords and stuff. That's the problem. Like this has
nothing to do with Matisa. The Revs have coming dear at.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
The studio in their open cup game destroyed everything, so.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
Every soundboards and chords and something called an m D
A chex here.

Speaker 8 (02:51):
I don't know what any of.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
This anyway, all right, but we're gonna talk about Patriots.

Speaker 10 (02:55):
D m H.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I don't know what. He's just rattling off letters and numbers, numbers.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
We're gonna talk Patriot. It's on like last Thursday when
it was May fourth, And I'm okay with the talk.
I'm just you know, talking about Star Wars.

Speaker 8 (03:06):
But like you gotta live it.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah, but like from what I understand, uh you need
it's someone who note knew Star Wars.

Speaker 11 (03:14):
Well.

Speaker 8 (03:14):
You didn't like Evan's rankings. I feel like Evan needs
to read all his rankings.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Evan's rankings were fine, thank you, but not that I
agree with it.

Speaker 8 (03:21):
Because he watched the film. I mean, he had watched
off all the film.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Everyone he watched all eleven Yeah, everyone has their own opinions.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
So that's not the twenty.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Two my my original Trilogy box set, Return of the Jedi,
I think is the one that no longer works. Well
it's it's Princess burnt out Princess like all right, but
we never got about Patriots.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
We've got some availability today.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Yeah, I'm gonna pop over Chris Bord, Jawant Bentley, little
little linebacker.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Flavor Special Team. So okay, go check on. So we'll
have that today and we'll have that up on Patriots
dot com after the fact. We've got the schedule release
on Thursday, and boy, what does that become? You know,
I don't know if that might be bigger than the combine.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
The social media super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
Well that was the schefter tweet yesterday which Minakhines did
a whole report on it, which kind of just featured
the Chargers, the Cowboys and the feature Falcons brought us
a couple of them Dallas, Seattle, so there's a lot
of it was over the weekend. I caught the feature
and I thought it was funny like watching it because

(04:27):
some like I thought the Chargers like they were Someone said,
this is almost like the social media super Bowl, right,
and she's like, well, I guess, but I would much
rather be involved in the.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Actually, yeah, we'd like the super Bowl to be there where.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
It's like I thought there was some other teams that
were really taking themselves a little too serious. Oh yeah,
you know right.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Atlanta, I believe, was one of the ones that I
was like, how do you win the super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Like, come on, well, no, I mean Atlanta has you
know historically, you know, spent some money on this thing.
They were the ones. I think they did the Game
of Thrones opening to this schedule release, which you know,
the animation must have cost him a boatload, you know,
so they you know, they really take it seriously. I mean,

(05:13):
what else do they got, you.

Speaker 8 (05:14):
Know, that's right? Yeah, twenty eight to three memes?

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, for them, it is the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
And they did talk about like a lot of them
were explaining how they you know, sort of come up
with a theme and then they try to incorporate as
much stuff as they can. And the Chargers wanted hiding
the Easter eggs. That guy, the guy who did the anime, right,
that was last year, Yeah, that last year, two years ago,
that last year, that guy when he came on camera,
the guy who was responsible for the anime, he was

(05:39):
like he was coming back from war, you know. He
was like he's going over the whole thing, you know.
And then you know, you finally, you know, after all
this work, you get to the end and you just
want to like plug the games in. You're like, oh,
thank god, it's finally, And I was like, thank you
for your service.

Speaker 8 (05:52):
And social media was just like the fact that.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
And I have no doubt that that was a lot
of work by the way they like, I.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
Just wonder if it was just him like doing it all.

Speaker 8 (06:03):
We need this thing.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
But the fact that the Chargers have a burn book,
did you hear that?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:08):
I love that they have a burn book of of
all the teams, and you know, most of it obviously
doesn't get used, but I love in their anime they
had Urban Meyer as the you know, the Jaguar and
the same pose at the bar as Urban. I mean,
I missed that, to be honest. When I watched the anime.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I they talked about the Easter eggs and that was
definitely one of them, and it took me like the
second time they showed it, I didn't like the first
time I was looking at it as they're talking about it,
I was like, what what, Oh you know when it
was like light down's on Marblehead. Yeah, figured it out.
But I agree with Fred. I think they listen. We
have a little bit different restrictions here. You know, anything

(06:47):
that could possibly be deemed defensive to another team is
gonna not really pass muster here, and some other teams
get away with it a little bit more like like
the Saints and Falcons kill each other in social media
because they hate each other. I don't think we necessarily
can do that with the Jets right the way maybe
we want to write, but it is kind of funny
to see how they actually have.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
A punching down. Paul. You know, you don't want to
be a bully.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Oh, I agree. I agree. It's not a rivalry unless
you lose. But the Chargers, like Fred said, they have
like a whole dust of things that they weren't allowed
to use, right, that they just used for their own enjoyment.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Like at first, I thought, oh, it's a burn book.
Whatever's in here, you got to burn it, But no,
it's the other way.

Speaker 8 (07:26):
It's mean we're.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Going to burn rather team, right, Yeah, yeah kind of,
I got that right.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yeah. Yeah, so that's coming Thursday night at eight o'clock.
And yes, the Patriots will have their own video that
we're going to be releasing. We're very excited about it.
I'm not going to give away anything.

Speaker 8 (07:44):
I'm not going to say a word.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Well you tried.

Speaker 8 (07:45):
I did, wait, I did. I mentioned that there were people.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
You stop, Just just don't mention anything.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Maybe it's animated.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
How does it feel like this is? This is your
example of making noise when there was a shoot that
was our he done anyway? You know, so much so
that I made the Blooper wheel. Yeah, so can we
talk about the possibility of maybe a little news before Thursday? Right?
You got we should know?

Speaker 4 (08:13):
We should morrow probably when or who our Germany game
will be probably tomorrow. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, okay,
so that'll be that'll be it first. Yeah, well I was.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
I did the six Rings this morning and they asked me, oh,
what do you know, what are you looking forward to
with the schedule. I'm like, I don't know if it's
just because I'm getting old, but it's just like when
the games are and knowing like how to plan my fall,
Like I'm just excited to hear, like what's the preseason
to figure out that's where we're going, what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
That's why it shocks me so much that fans get
so revved up for the schedule release, because for for us,
I will fully admit, not to say that it don't
feel bad for me, but it's the next five months
of our lives that are planned out, you know, ahead
of time, and what the when of the prime time games?
When's the bye week? Whens Thursday night football?

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Well you got to see what your what def con
your relationship is going to be at exactly schedule?

Speaker 8 (09:07):
Like how many away gamey?

Speaker 3 (09:11):
No more difficulty, you know, you probably have more things
that you're missing the Black Friday game, Like for you
and I Fred, we've been doing it for so long,
people just automatically assume, well, a weekend from September to February,
he's not available, you know, and then if it's a
bye week, oh bonus of.

Speaker 8 (09:28):
The night games, you know, like one are the.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Short weeks I worry only about And last year was
true and this year will be true. The holidays, like
we played on Thanksgiving last year, we played on Christmas
Eve last year, there's a chance. There's a chance that
that could happen again both ways. It could be even
could be Christmas Day. There's going to be I think
a Christmas Night primetime game, and then.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
I know there's the chefter tweet out there'll be a
Black Friday game.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, yeah, and there's a triple header I think on
Christmas Day, which is a Monday. Yeah, that's what I.

Speaker 6 (10:05):
Saw, well, like like an afternoon Monday game.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
I'd have to have to put that into the computer
and figure Outut, what how I feel about that one.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I would rather play on Monday than I would on Christmas.
Eve will say that, but so that's that to me.
I'll bet that.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
As long as it's a home game. But if it's
an away game, then that screws that.

Speaker 8 (10:25):
You're gonna fly by Sanna coming back.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
I'm selfish show it's the opposite. Because Mike and I
are here in the studio. We could just get right
out of here, we do the show gone, you guys,
I understand, or be on the road.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
We have Dallas in Dallas feels like a Thanksgiving could.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Be on Thanksgiving, but I would find it. I mean,
I don't think it will be just because we were
on Thanksgiving last year, but it can be. Yeah, absolutely,
we're one of the teams that could be on Thanksgiving
against Dallas.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
And so there's no rule this year about you have
to be on primetime. Now is this the first year?
It's wide open and just kind of put the.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Belt have to be on primetime and you could be.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
You could be Thursday twice like conventionally, not like last year,
like everybody's like what Patriots were on last year twice? No,
that doesn't count Thanksgiving and the opener don't count necessarily
as Thursday games.

Speaker 8 (11:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
Well, I thought they did a pretty good job last
year managing that at least where it was like Thursday
to Thursday and then a long week to Saturday.

Speaker 8 (11:16):
You know they did it didn't seem like it would
be right.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
But they don't have to do it that way anymore.

Speaker 8 (11:20):
Now they can just do it.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
They can do it. So you play Sunday week one,
Thursday Week two, Sunday Week three, Sunday Week four, Thursday
week five like that. That's the way it could go.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
Now that could go That would be bad.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
That's terrible. Yeah, it's terrible. I can't believe that they
let it go through. But yeah, money, do.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
You think that in terms of the people at the
league that make the schedule, having that Thursday game and
now a Friday game helps them to have more options
or makes it even more complex.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
I think it complicates it because you got to consider
like how much rest you're getting before and after, you know,
So it just adds a whole new kind of thing
into the equation where yeah, you have another option where
all right, we can stick this on a Friday, or
we can make it when one of the Christmas Monday games.
But I just think it's a resting you know, and
if you talk about injuries and wanting to, you know,
make it the best possible situation for the players to

(12:10):
be able to recover and perform at a high level
and so that these games are high quality. I think
it's challenging, and that's what I wonder. I know that
there was like they think they're going to release the schedule,
and then it was like they might not release the schedule,
and now they are going to be like I just
wonder if it's that stuff where they go through it
and they're like, well, team A kind of gets screwed
here in this part, and you know, at a certain
point they must just be like, all right, that's the

(12:31):
best we can do. Somebody's gonna have to get screwed
in this process just because of the games that we
have to fill.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
And there's a lot of requests they get from teams,
you know, West coast teams, East coast teams that are
on the opposite coast multiple times. I know the Patriots
have frequently requested to have those back to back, and
they've been honored. So maybe you know that's a reason
that you get a stumbling block, is the Patriots asked

(12:57):
for say, Denver, Vegas back to.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
Back, the one I'm looking at right, and then.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
The league puts the schedule out for everybody to look at,
and those games aren't back to back. Well wait a minute, like,
can't we do that?

Speaker 6 (13:08):
No?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Sorry, I can't please do it because you can't do
it for everybody. Now, my guess is those kinds of
things can be honored for anybody who asked for them.
Doesn't seem like to be heavy lifting. Another thing Matt
and Night, Matt, no socks, we're talking about yesterday was
the elimination of the conference being dictated on the network
So it used to be that, you know, AFC games

(13:29):
were on CBS, NFC games are on Fox, and if
it's an intraconference game, it was dictated by the home team,
so you know, whoever whoever it was the awake. Now
every game is open for any network, So I don't
know if that prevents the like the schedule from.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Coming out well every except for you know, Sunday night,
the prime time game, Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday night
are all different.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
But the regular slate at one and four, you know,
you know, CBS has a double header one week, Fox
has a doubleheader the next. But those games, my guess
will they'll try to even out, say like a Buffalo,
Kansas City and Dallas San Francisco, not necessarily always on Fox,
always on.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
I like that because it really adds clicks to the
how to watch page we publish every week. Now.

Speaker 6 (14:16):
Is that entirely determined by the NFL? Or does the
networks have some kind of westworks.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
I believe it's like a draft.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I'm wondering. I think Peter
King wrote it. Like Fred said, all the games are
technically free agents, and the networks are going to bid
on them me and my guess is they're going to
try to not bid on them, but they're going to try.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
To have a lottery.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah, they have Like, uh, I think it's a draft,
like a little old draft pick, Like wouldn't that be
the best way to do it? But is it a
snake draft or is it? I need to I need details.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
In Week two, Fox selects Dallas.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
At they'll televise that someday and it'll it'll do numbers.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
Make a wish kid do one of But you're just
trying to do the games that aren't like specifically spoken
for as far as Sunday Night Football, Monday Night Football,
like those games. Then you're just kind of fighting over
the scraps the every every weekend.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
What are we going to do but the scraps before
the season.

Speaker 8 (15:14):
That's before the season.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
You see Kansas City. Kansas City plays every like on
paper marquee team, like they played Philly, they played Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
What happens when you're in first.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Right, But but you don't always play all the you know,
all the best team like they're playing Philadelphia, Like that
just lines up that they're playing Philadelphia and they played
who they just played in the Super Bowl, right, Like
that doesn't happen all the time, So like Fox and
CBS are probably going to want to spread some of
those out in addition to the ones that will be
on Prime Time now.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Peter King also had a story. Kansas City is the
other team that will be a home team in Germany
this year, so it'll be two games in Germany, and
Peter King was writing that there was a hold up
because Kansas City didn't want to play Chicago in Germany.
I'm like, why, what's the deal? Like, why Chicago? Why
do you want them at home? Like I could see
if it was the Bengals, you want to make sure

(16:05):
you play them in Arrowhead? But why why the Bears?
Why is that it's so important to play an Arrowhead?
That's weird? Yeah, it was weird.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Is how close is Kansas City to Chicago? Because that
relatively something that they want to try to take.

Speaker 6 (16:19):
I mean, I don't I don't have an Atlas with me,
but I'm gonna see you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
I had to do that.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Thank you make the Bears traveling.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
One person understands Championship game. Remember the storm that happened
in Kansas City and I went to Kansas City to Chicago.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Remember that, Yeah, CLINICSNI back on Clinic's dime. Got to
take a bike to that gime r bike with Bar
and Alex on the back ringing the bell.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Actually it's actually tracks.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
The tracks got off in Cincy.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yeah, all right, so so that's coming up. We talked
about availability today, also be availability on Thursday, and that'll.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
Be who James Robinson's one of them. I'm not sure
if there was another one yet, but yeah, they're they're
rifle and yeah, so they mixed some of the older
leaders with some of the newer free agency faces. So yeah, curious,
uh what Board has to say about his special team's
prowess and the praise from Bibelo.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Do you think he's upset now that the Patriots drafted
all these special teams?

Speaker 8 (17:25):
Competition, competition, baby brings out the best.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
He does play some lineback stop it. Yeah, no, I
said competition. He does play some linebacker though he's not
just a special teamer. He's not. It's not Matthew Slater.
I think he will could play a little bit on
defense if they need, if they do.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
You think, what do you think is the quickest side, though,
what do you think the trajectory of mac Wilson and
ray Kwa McMillan here is.

Speaker 8 (17:47):
Last year we were so high on them and now
I kind of wonder if both.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
Those guys are on the bubble. With between Mapoo the
guy on the draft, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think would tell you that they're on the bubble. Yeah, yeah,
especially mack Wilson.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
I did a way too early, way too early roster
projection this morning and had mac Wilson off because to me,
it seems like it's between one of those guys gonna
make the team ray Kwan McMillan or mac Wilson. And
if you're looking at similar skill sets, Mapu is definitely
similar to mac Wilson than he is to ray Kwon McMillan,

(18:19):
and I just feel like that that could push it
mac Wilson off the roster if Mapu has a good summer.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
And I just want to preempt any calls or emails.
We have no access to what they're doing and OTAs yet,
we'll have a day what May twenty May twenty fifth
we'll be able to watch an entire OTA practice and
then a couple more times before the man to toy
mini camps. So right now we don't know who's lining

(18:45):
up where, even if they're in shorts or anything like that.
I don't even know if they can do that. But
you know, so we don't have any access yet, so
we can't tell you who looks like what or anything
like that.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah, but in two weeks, I mean, I think it's
like a Friday of Friday, a Thursday, something like that.
But last year, as Paul pointed out, they canceled I
think one of them, so.

Speaker 8 (19:02):
We only had that was Mini Camp, but I think
we only had access to two OTAs too.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
That is correct because the way it was set up
last year, and it's not always set up like this,
they had a group of OTAs, a group of OTAs
mandatory Mini camp, and a group of OTAs. That's the
way it was originally set up, and they ended up
canceling the third of the three days of mini camp,
and then that last batch of OTAs never happened. I

(19:27):
don't think for the team. I think he ended it
at the end of Mini camp and then they went
on their way.

Speaker 6 (19:32):
It probably could have worked on the offense a little
bit more, but that's just you know, hindsight.

Speaker 12 (19:35):
This.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Guy is just off. He's so mean.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
Just for order of operations purposes this year, the last
OTA is on the ninth and then mandatory mini camps,
So maybe they they just more traditionally the way they
they reversed it so they didn't run into the situation
that Paul.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Now, there really is no difference between OTA's and mini
camp other than the fact that mini camp, when they
actually call it mini camp, his mandatory right for the
players to be there, right, But they're not doing anything
different on the field than they would do if they
called it an ot A, you know.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
And last pad on the third day mini camp, Bill
shortened it, and oh, he's going soft, he's going soft.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
And evidently Mike just so agrees.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
We got in that one found out by league.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Rules running outside the zone, and that.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Mister star Wars is trying to explain something we.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Found out by league rules. During the three days of
mandatory mini camp, you're allowed twenty four hours with the team,
and you can divvy that up any way you want.
So what Bill decided to do is give them a
look of what our typical day is, which is ten hours.
So the first date two days were ten hour days.
You had four hours left over. They used it for
whatever on the third day and let him go.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
They went bowling. Yeah, I think they didn't work on
the offense.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Right that we're done there.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
So that's the league rule. You're allowed twenty more hoursanatory
mini camp.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
You know wrong. I didn't say you were wrong. I
just said you would mean.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
With the schedule that I do wonder and uh, again,
this is not to feel bad for any of us,
but Vasha was the first time that I traveled to
almost every game. COVID got me for one, but almost
for every game in my career. And by the time
we got to Vegas after the week in Arizona and
being an air, I didn't even play and I was tired,

(21:27):
Like you know what I mean, And I do wonder
if again it's all rumors, but there are some rumors
about joint practices on the road, and then we have
Germany and like there's a lot of a travel that
goes into it, and you were taught. We were talking
about the Denver Vegas back to back potentially also being

(21:48):
on the road, which would make sense. But at what point,
I wonder, is that a competitive disadvantage to have the
team for four or five weeks every season, be mobile,
you know, be on the road and be staying in
hotel rooms and practicing.

Speaker 8 (22:03):
Miami plus with Miami. In Week one, that whole thing.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
Was right, I would that was the one that COVID
got me. So I wasn't at that one. Alex was there,
but that would have that would have really added onto
the play too, I think, you know, for them. And
I just wonder at what point I'm not saying that
they lost in Vegas because of that by any stretch
of the imagination, especially the way that they lost. But

(22:26):
going into that Vegas game, I was tired, and I
can only imagine how tired they all were, and I
was starting to wonder, how can you really expect them
to be super competitive? And then they started the game
extremely flat, and I was not surprised at all.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
It's something like five down the stretch.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
Too, right, Yeah, I mean, I wasn't surprised. They were
down what twenty to three to Vegas right before they
they they came back and made it a game late,
and I was not surprised one bit that it was
that they came out flat, because it's a lot, you.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Know, because the rumors are, like you said, there might
be two joint practices on the roads. Yeah, that's a
lot of time away. And then if you add back
to back during the season and Germany and Germany, I
don't know, maybe they might not do the back to
back just because of that, because it's like, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
We didn't talk about it last week at all, but
there have been stories about the potential preseason stuff, right,
so that's out there green Bay and story that there
was going to be a joint and there's yeah, there's
talks that we're going to be doing joint practices in
both Green Bay and Nashville. Yeah. So yeah, I mean,
I think the one that that seemed to not go

(23:39):
over well with the players themselves last year was the
opener with Miami. Yeah, the players didn't seem to like
being there.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
It's just a fine line I think between you know,
a coaching staff trying to get their team together and
you know kind of have a little bit of time
away and you're traveling and you're kind of you know,
stuck with each other somewhat. But I do I think
to Evan's point, you can go too far with it,
and you know, they did a lot of it last year,
and last year certainly didn't seem like one of those
Patriots teams that were, you know, ready to rally around

(24:06):
each other. It seemed if anything, you know, I mean,
maybe they did rally around each other, but it was,
you know, not against their opponents. It was kind of
against what that was going on on the offensive side
of the ball.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
But I think, you know, in the past, they've done that,
and I remember, you know, oh, it was great, you know,
we bonded, it was great camaraderie, you know. But I
think a lot of the success of those back to
back games on the road are who's who's your leadership?
What does that look like? You know, how do they
keep guys engaged all week? How do they keep them

(24:34):
you know, energized and not hope wishing they were home
and all that. You know, I'm not sure that last
year that same leadership existed as maybe ten years ago.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah, That's exactly where I'm coming from. And I just
remember last year win in Arizona. Then after the primetime
game in Arizona, we got on a bus and drove
two hours on a bus, got to the place that
we were going to stay for the week in Arizona,
And this whole time, I'm thinking in my head, if
I'm a player right now, this is a lot, Like
it's a lot for me and I don't even play,

(25:06):
so like, this is a lot for the players. And
then we talked to some of the players during the
week in Arizona and they mentioned just how much it
throws off their routines. You know, they don't have their routines,
they don't have their messuses and trainers and people around them,
you know, or they have to bring them out, you know,
to be out there with them. And I just I

(25:27):
don't know. I think that there is a line where
it becomes too much. And I go back to that
Vegas game and think about how it started, how it ended,
and you just wonder how locked in truly was that
team at that point after spending so much time on
the road all.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
Season, and compare it to the to the game you
guys talk a lot about, you know, the Green Bay
San Diego back to back in twenty fourteen, where lost
a tough game to Green Bay up there, and I
mean it was the last time they lost that season.
But then went to that you know, that Chargers game
which I was at and I mean they you know,
they played great, so you know, you contrast kind of
a team.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
Heading in two different directions, you know, in those.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
But I'm also thinking, I'm well, you know, like kind
of interested in the logistics because I wasn't part of
that trip last year, and if the way Evan's describing it,
and I didn't realize that, like Green Bay, you you know,
the game ends, You're getting on the bus. You going
to the airport, just like any other game on when
you're traveling in a different direction than you would to
go home. So you're getting on a plane just like
normal when you're landing somewhere, only you're away from home

(26:26):
and you're gonna practice there. This two hour bus ride.
To me, if logistically, if you can't get to where
you're supposed to be easier than that, I'm not sure
it's worth it.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Yeah, where's that bus ride too?

Speaker 13 (26:37):
Like?

Speaker 8 (26:37):
What was that from?

Speaker 5 (26:37):
So we got Tucson or something, So we went Where's
is Glendale?

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Right?

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Arizona?

Speaker 13 (26:43):
Right?

Speaker 5 (26:43):
And then we went to Tucson and we got on
the buses right after Monday night football game. So East
coast bodyclock, this is midnight, right, twelve thirty something like that,
and then we drove on the buses I want to say,
almost two hours to where a beauty resort. I will
say that like thank you for that. That was awesome,
But we're in Tucson and that's where we practiced for

(27:07):
the week, was in Tucson at the University of Arizona.
And that bus ride it was tough, like you know,
and I do wonder maybe if you do something like that,
do you stay over the extra night after the game
locally and then take the bus ride at eight am
the next morning? Or I understand their outage of just

(27:28):
let's just get there and let's you know, deal with
it on the back end, but I wonder if that
would have maybe made it a little bit easier for
the players to stay over in Glendale that night and
then go Monday more or Tuesday morning. But with the
extra I think with the short week, it doubt that
puts you a little even further behind the eight ball

(27:48):
in terms of preparation. But I you know, they can
load up the tablets and all that stuff on the
bus and pass them out and have people you know,
going over game plans and things like that on buses.
I would imagine, so It's gotta be.

Speaker 8 (28:00):
Tough, though, to be a giant football player.

Speaker 6 (28:02):
And I know it's hard enough getting on the plane,
which is you know, specifically built for this and has
a little bit of extra room, but like an average
tour bus with like a three hundred pound guy right
after playing a game, I'm feeling all banged up and
for two hours.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
They end the Arizona game, they get on the bus,
they go to the airport, they fly to Vegas and
they practiced there. Yeah, like for the week. I think
that would have been a better rule.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
They want him in Vegas.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
We were already in the Vegas for a week once. Yeah,
they That was interesting too, is to that point. We
were only in Vegas for one night of that whole stretch.
Saturday night before the Sunday Vegas game was the only
time that we spent in Vegas. We all went to
the Golden Night's game actually that that night, which was
a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
I did a standing ovation for for Butcher and everybody
looked at me like I was crazy, And I was like,
PRIs Cassidy, what do you what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Despite being mean to his players, they're a second round
but those things.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
I wondered very I just wonder how how much they
look back on those things. And you know, Bill, he's
looking at everything, right, So how much do they look
back at that and say, maybe if we do that
differently this time, right?

Speaker 8 (29:08):
But that's my guess.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
What my question is going to be is how different
can you do it? Because you're just kind of beholden
to what the schedule is and if you have back
to back games, you know, at Dallas and Denver or
Vegas and Denver, like either you're staying out there for
a full week, or you're doing a double trip on
a plane. You know, Like there's no real easy answer,
like there's no simple way to do.

Speaker 8 (29:27):
I mean, I think some of it last.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
Year was a little bit self inflicted, like why are
we flying to Vegas in the middle of summer for
joint practices?

Speaker 8 (29:32):
Like when you have a season when you already know there's.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
Going to be travel, but you know you're going to
Germany this year. You've got the back I mean, Dallas, Denver, Vegas.
You got three teams that are essentially West Coast.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Completely agree with you. And I think that was the
point that Evan was trying to make. I thought there
was something, ever did it there was something unnecessary?

Speaker 4 (29:49):
And then then, as Evan said, now you mix in
Germany this year, maybe you really think twice before you
start doing these back to backs and well, and you know.

Speaker 6 (29:58):
At least it sounds though like it seems Germany is
going to be in November, and I mean, I guess
I think the buye is probably after that.

Speaker 8 (30:03):
So I think the.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Germany public back doesn't bug me at all. But I
do wonder about traveling to Green Bay, for that's a
little bit longer than what normally do in the preseason.
Tennessee is kind of a semi regular preseason part and
we've played them in the past. But joint practices in
both on the road as opposed to joint practices with
somebody at home, right, you know, so to lighten that

(30:26):
travel the back to back, if it's Dallas, not Dallas, Denver, Vegas, Denver,
which to me would make sense geographically, that's better than
going back and forth twice. I totally understand why teams
like to do that. The ones that do not. Everyone does,
but the ones that do that, to me makes more sense.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
But is it better to not request it and play
Denver in September and then play Vegas in December and
not sure and not worry about staying out.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
It was that year that you know, Sure obviously has
the same you know rotation, And was that year that
the Patriots requested back to back and the Jets complained
because they had the same travel thing. It's like, oh,
we have to do this twice. It's like, well, we
asked for it, you didn't, you know?

Speaker 8 (31:10):
That was that like eight maybe when they were like
they had.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Like the Jets were like, how come the Patriot because
they asked.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
For it and they get whatever they ask.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
And I will say, like, there's definitely advantages to staying
like it was. You're all under one roof, and there
is definitely a team camarade, like there's nothing else to
do besides to hang out, you know, for us to
hang out with coworkers and for them to hang out
with each other, like there's literally nothing else to do.
So there's certainly something to that as well. But I
think the Friend's point unless you have real strong leadership

(31:41):
that's like we're doing this and you know, we're gonna
make the best of it and most of it, then
maybe maybe it's something that you look back on and say,
wasn't that And not to.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Get too deep into inside baseball, but in the preseason,
when you're traveling, you're traveling with ninety guys, so the
planes more crowded. You know, there's more staff because there's
more people.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
But even the facility like so you're you're working out,
you're you're on the road, working out in a foreign
place that's not really equipped for two full teams yea.
And not only it's two full teams, it's double the
size of two full teams yep. So to you a point,
like having those ninety guys there, that does make it.
I think one other thing too, I want that's when
you saw Derek Henry.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
And fell hopefully this year.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
One other thing though, to highlight what Evan said, was
just I find it interesting you talk to so many
like rookies, guys that come into the league and they're like,
you know, how did you how did you assimilate? And
they always say find a routine. Like I talked to
the veterans. The veterans are always like, get your routine
down like that. You know, it's such an important thing
for these players to have that every day.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
I know, Monday.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
I know what I'm going to be doing, and I
think that that's that's an underrated part of it. I
know I'm an old man now and I feel like
like anytime my routine gets screwed up and I can't
have my right breakfast, I'm like, I'm on the room.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
I'm off all day to day.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
You know, we were talking. We had a meeting before
the show, and they're getting ready to sort of map
out what we're going to be doing this spring with
the OTAs and in Mini Camp, and Fred at, yeah,
we're gonna do live broadcasts at Mini Camp again like
we did last year. And I was like incredulous. I
was like, I don't, I don't ever remember doing but
because that that's not my routine, I normally sit on

(33:12):
the hill and I watched I watched those practices, and
Fred was right, we did live broadcasts from Mini Camp
last year. So just to your point, when you're in
a routine, sometimes even when you're not doing anything, it's
it's it's jarring to just Okay, we got to do
it different, Paul. We have to do it different this year.
I know, I know you've done it this way for

(33:33):
twenty you have to do it different. The players are
the same because even though they might be young players
in the league two three years in, they've done it
the same way. In college, they've done it the same one.
Didn't Christian Gonzalez talk to us a little bit about
that when we had him on the show the day after?
Wasn't he the one that was talking about some one
of the veteran college players talked to him about a
routine Or maybe I'm mixing that.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Up with talked I remember that.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
But I do remember that kind of a conversation. Just,
you know, find something that works for you and then
stick with it. Yeah, you know, whether it be practice, game,
whatever it is, it's not superstitious routine. It's routine to
get your body and mind ready to play.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
Yeah. I remember speaking to some of the players out
in Arizona and they said, you know, if it's Wednesday
at four o'clock and Wednesday at four o'clock, you take
a nap. When we're here at Wednesday four o'clock, take
a nap, like you know, right, you know, do the
same exact thing that you would do at home. But
I think the biggest thing is is that a lot
of these players as we know, have their own trainers,

(34:33):
have their own messuses, have their own family obviously, families
do all that, they'd have their routines here that cannot
you can't possibly replicate the routine on the road, So
it is a tricky s time change.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Is the ACE ticket hout line web radio at Patriots
dot Com. A's email addressed, did you guys, are you
going to eat?

Speaker 3 (34:57):
We did not order anything for food, so.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Breaks whenever I want to take a break.

Speaker 8 (35:01):
Yes, yeah, I'm going to duck out a little before
one to go go listen to do you.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Guys want to just throw it out there for just
for fun?

Speaker 13 (35:07):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Predict the opener, just have fun with it.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Predict the open.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Do you want to wait? We could wait for Thursday
for that because we won't have the schedule on Thursday either.

Speaker 8 (35:14):
Yeah, we might have inside information.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Friend mind I won't, No, you won't, I won't.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
I'm just going to find out in September. I hope
it's not again. I was just about to say my
stale on that.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
But I'd be in for the Jets. I'd be in
for like opening at.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
The gym lately Monday Monday night at the Jets I'm predicting.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
There was a stretch where Miami at home was the
opener and then it got switched. No, Miami on the
road was the opener and then it got switched to
Miami later in the season. Last few years. I don't know,
like we can we can predict the opener now, you know,
we could do it again Thursday.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
You know, I think there's some juice there. I mean,
I don't think it'll be Philly.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Is it three years in a row? Twenty and twenty
one were home against Miami. Last year was at Miami,
right right, right, Yeah, three years in a row.

Speaker 8 (35:56):
Yeah, Cam Newton.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
It's it's calm new I do think that would be
fun to Aaron Rodgers' first game with the Jets trying
to break the fourteen game losing streak against the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Monday Night Jets Jets. That could be because the Jets
are probably going to have some primetime games that they're
not used to because they've been so bad. Yeah, and
you probably want to get some of them early in
the season just in case it doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
And and I guess you know, I think we talked
about it here. There was a hold up in getting
this schedule ready this year because they were waiting for
Rogers and Lamar and once that happened, then things fell
in place. But they wanted to see how many primetime
games those two teams were going to have, you know,
and that was the hold up. All right, let's get

(36:41):
to the phones and emails. Let's go to Todd and Greenville.
What's up Todd?

Speaker 9 (36:47):
Hey, guys, I just got a quick question. I was
just thinking about, you know, with additions and stuff that
the changes, what what's the best comparison whether it's you know,
an older Patriots team from here is gone by, or
if it's somebody else, what do you think the style
of offense that Bill O'Brien's going to implement here? Is
it going to be run to pass under just some

(37:07):
sort of very interesting, kind of gimmicky or different form.
So after this is kind of after what Juju said,
that's kind of made my brain think of like, what
exactly do you guys think they're going to do? I
think guys will take downs are off there.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Okay, what are they going to do it?

Speaker 5 (37:23):
That's a good question. I read an interesting piece by
Stephen Ruiz on The Ringer about this, and I didn't
disagree with his general premise. I obviously had my my
nitpicks about the article, but the general premise was just
that personnel wise, it on paper, what guys do when
roles and things like that really hasn't changed all that

(37:43):
much from last year. They don't they still don't have
a traditional fullback, so they're not going to be this
Josh McDaniels under center, power eye play action off of
it type of offense. It's not really Bill O'Brien's m
O to begin with. So Ruiz's point was just how
much can how much better is the offense gonna be
if it's basically the same overall concept of what they

(38:07):
were trying to accomplish last year, just with a better
coach running it. And it's an interesting question. I don't
think that they're gonna go and be extremely play action heavy.
That's not Bill O'Brien's background. He is a spread, shotgun
style offensive coordinator, somebody that likes to be an empty
that likes to be in the gun. So is it

(38:27):
gonna look kind of similar in some ways personnel wise,
tendency wise, how much they call run, how much they
call play action? Like probably I don't think that we're
gonna get into the season a month in and have
crazy splits where mac is play action forty percent of
the time after he was sixteen percent last last year.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
So yeah, I the problem with the Patriots offense is
they don't have that one star, whether it's the quarterback
or a wide receiver that you could say, okay, well,
the offense revolves around this one player. You know, they don't.
We don't have Jamar Chase, you know. So I think
I think Evan's right. I think, you know, it's not
gonna look that different than what we've seen, other than

(39:08):
it might just be MOREX you know, the execution might
look better. You know, you're gonna have to mix it up.
We know what they're not gonna do. They're not going
to be a you know, a mobile quarterback offense because
that's not mac Uh and they're not going to be
I don't think, at least right now. They can't be
too vertical because no one's proven that they can do

(39:29):
that yet, you know, so they're gonna have to mix
and match. I think it's gonna be a lot of short,
past high percentage passes like they've done in the past.
You know, and I think that you know, they'll play,
they'll work the middle of the field. I hope with
Gaseki now in the mix along with Hunter, I think,
you know, though, they'll try to own the middle of
the field there. But like to put a name on

(39:51):
the offense is really hard because there's no one guy
or even two guys that like these are matchup problems
for defense.

Speaker 8 (39:58):
I'm interested to see how Gai is.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
I mean, it's just it feels like John Hu Smith
by the end was just kind of a weight around
your neck that you felt like we got to try
to get him involved.

Speaker 8 (40:07):
You know, it's like every week you already get jun
and we get him involved. You know, it's just nice
to kind of not worry about that now. And and
you know he.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
Had such a specific set of skills, Johonhu Smith, did
you know that You're like, here we go, you try
to dump it off a little screen pass to him.
So that I just wonder where the changes are going
to live within GASICKI and I just I wonder about Thornton,
you know what is I mean, I think some of them,
maybe the decision not to get a receiver higher in
this draft might have you know, been a little bit

(40:33):
connected to Thornton if they like him and they feel like, hey,
we you know, used the high round draft back on
the receiver last year.

Speaker 8 (40:38):
We like this kid. You know, what does that look like?
What is he what is his involvement in the offense
look like?

Speaker 6 (40:44):
If Bill Bill O'Brien takes a liking to him and says,
you know, not necessarily he's the number one guy that
everything's going to go through, but hey, this is a
piece that we can kind of play with.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
What would you rather see with Thornton? Like right out
of the gate, they try to establish him as a
deep threat or they build themselves to that, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Month into this, I'd like to just see him out
there right from the one way he's a contributor. Yeah, yeah,
I don't think it matters that as long as he's
a contributor.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Because what I'm afraid is is they try to establish
it right away, it doesn't work, and they don't do
it again. You know, they forget about it.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
You know. Yeah, see, but that would be a bad sign.
I totally agree with you, but I think that you
you look at it as like, well, they tried to
do it and then they just forget about it. My
guess is if that's what they try to do and
it doesn't work and they don't do anything else with him,
they don't think he's capable of anything else, do you
know what I mean? They think now, I don't think
that will happen. I think I saw enough last year.

(41:40):
It seemed like they were trying to get him integrated
and shorter stuff and across the middle. I think, almost
to a fault. I think maybe a little less of
that and a little bit more outside or down the field,
like what they have to have him crack blocks, like
what I mean, And I get like the idea of
having a guy that runs like that, that can catch
a crossing route in stride and you know, make a

(42:02):
make a big play. I just look, I look at
some of the guys, you know, and I hate to
do this because it's so unfavorable. Like you look at
a guy like Tyreek Hill, and I get it, there's
one Tyreek Hill in the league. Okay, I'm not trying
to say that Taekwon Thornton's you know, he's a bus
because he's not Tyreek Hill. That's not what I'm saying.
But he's so much sturdier Tyreek Hill. Yeah, yeah, like

(42:24):
it's not even just the speed in the center of gravity,
like he can get hit and I don't think now
Tyreek Hill has had his share of injuries too because
he's small, but he looks to me so much stouter, Yeah, thick,
like he can take a hit or two coming across
the middle. I don't like. I like cover my eyes
when when Taekwon Thornton gets.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Wrapped around the problem is I think he does too well.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
I'm not saying I'm not saying that. I'm just saying
I don't think he's just fifty catches between the hashes
he heard. I think, you know.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
The one thing that I did do recently was I
went back to Alabama season in twenty twenty one and
watch what else did you have to? And I watched
a little bit of Jamison Williams with Bill O'Brien, because
Jamison Williams better player than Taekwon, but body type wise,
they're actually built almost identically like heightweight, they are basically

(43:14):
the same size, and both of them are incredibly fast.
Like I Taekwon in four towo eight. Not a lot
of guys are going to run faster than four to eight.
So I think that they have some similarities. And I
think the one thing that you noticed with Bill O'Brien
that he was able to do with Jamison Williams was
scheme ways and with alignment in motion and things like that,
so that contact was at a minimum. So all he

(43:36):
was doing Jamison Williams was winning foot races. And yeah,
he had to deal with some contact down the field
at the catch point that everybody does, but in terms
of at the line of scrimmage or within those first
five yards, they would put him in a stack, they'd
put him in a trip's bunch, they would put them
in motion, they would do different things to avoid contact,
so that all he was doing was it's it's a

(43:56):
game of it's a game of tag at that point.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
It's taught to making those big hits, like you're not
crossing a zone and someone's recognizing a play coming off
their guy and waiting with that just killing right when
you're going down the field or outside.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Yeah, horizontally, you know. Yeah. And then what they were
able to do, and I don't this is the piece
that I think we're all been clamoring for. They had
John Metchi and and Mechi would just kill teams underneath
because Jamison Williams would clear it out and it would
just be all this room for him to go one
on one. Maybe that's Juju and their eyes in this offense,
and he has that catch and run ability. So that's

(44:32):
that's always been the basis of Bill O'Brien's offense is
the first and second level, the intermediate part of the field,
the middle of the field, the quick release. He doesn't
want the quarterback to stand there for three and a
half seconds and hold the football. So we'll see what
ends up happening in terms of all the tendencies, but
the play designs themselves will be obviously significantly different. And

(44:53):
the last thing I'll mention is, you know, I'll say
it again, I think there are po package is going
to be significantly better. Like it's not going to just
be either run or screen to the outside. Like they're
gonna have some downfield routes off of it. They're gonna
have some different looks, so that I'm excited to see.
But they're gonna be shotgun a lot, They're gonna be
spread a lot, They're gonna be a little bit more new.

(45:14):
Agy I don't think we're going back to Josh mcdaniels's
offense in twenty twenty one, because that's just not that's
not how the personnel lines up. They don't have the
blocking tight end, they don't have the full back like.
They just aren't built like that. So it'd be interesting
to see.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Email is web radio at pages dot com Audrey in
New Hampshire.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
That's a piece of Mike.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
I wasn't planning a follow up, but it seems necessary
considering that Mike keeps bringing up my name. I think
you have definitely improved some in the hosting chair, and
the reading was less frantic. I think Paul's presence helps
to steady you, but it's still a work in progress.
I know the standard is said very high from Fred,
but the emails are a very important part of the show,

(45:54):
and believe me, the absolute last place that would ever
want to be is up your butt. Now about the Patriots,
I'm looking forward to the season, the new team and
how the players come together. One thing is bringing down
my confidence in the overall mood. It feels like whatever
is going on behind the scenes with Bill regarding his
relationships with both Robert and Mack has become something of

(46:15):
an ego battle. I think Bill is determined to do
things his way, even if it's detrimental to the team
a power struggle. Trying to smooth things over publicly doesn't
erase what's underneath. If the owner, coach, and QB aren't united,
then success is a pipe dream, whatever that means. What
are your thoughts on this topic. I agree, I mean

(46:36):
we talked about it. I think that at some point,
if it hasn't already happened, Bill needs to sit down
with Mac and you know, clean slate, clean slate, just
like you know, Bill O'Bryan said.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Do you think that are you buying into the narrative
that was trying to like work its way out after
the draft? That it was all intentional Bill, This whole
thing was everything.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
No, some people take that to step forward and say
that the lack of offensive talent additions like Juju being the
big one is let's see what Mac's made of, right, Like,
if he can't do it, you know, if he can't
keep his head above water this year, then what's the
point of making the trade for the number one wide
receiver to make it easier?

Speaker 3 (47:21):
And you can talk your way into either side of that. Right,
that could be a vote of confidence for Mac. No, no, no,
I have faith in you, Mac. I know you can
make it work with this This is you have plenty around, right,
and you're good enough to make it work with it.
Or I don't really have any use for this guy.
I'm not going to give him anything else to work with. Yeah,
if he's gonna sink or swim, I think he's gonna sink,
and then I can get rid of this guy. Like

(47:42):
you can talk yourself into and do I think that
either one of those is true? No, I don't think
either one of those. Right, those are true. You could
talk yourself either side.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
I just can't talk myself into Bill Belichick, you know,
as he's clearly you know, in his seventies, he's approaching
the end of his career, being spiteful and like, you know,
doing things with the team, doing things with the team
just to prove a point, like like you think he's
gonna be like, well, I'll show them, I'm gonna go
three wins this year, like you know, all right, well
we're not gonna get any talent. Then we'll just see
then who's right? Like no, like he wants to lose

(48:12):
and be right like no.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
He does not want to lose. He does not want
to lose.

Speaker 8 (48:18):
He won't lose unless he makes to be.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
The reason that they win. There's a big difference. But
with Brady, they got to a point where he was
no longer being credited for being the reason that they won,
and I think he likes to get back to that
bottom block box a chicken Bill. Belichick has never gone
into anything hoping to lose, Like no way. He's one
of the most competitive guys I've ever met. Like he

(48:40):
wants to win games. And bottom line is, if mac
Jones is responsible for all their wins, he'll take it
because that means he's winning. But if you ask, if
you're asking me my opinion, if you had his hand
on a bible, you can win thirteen three or thirty seven,
thirty three, He'll take thirteen three so everybody can credit him.

Speaker 4 (48:59):
Yeah. I think. I think deep down in his psyche,
he would admit that in a perfect world, no one
is above the team, and he realizes that at a
certain point Brady became above the team and that he
didn't like that. But there's nothing he could do about
it because he was that damn good, you know, But
I think in his perfect world, everybody's the same. You know,

(49:22):
no one's above the team.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
To here on logan Ryan is just going to bring
that up. Yeah, And I think there's some truth to
what what Ryan was saying about that. But I just
would look at it and say, the one thing that
that Logan Ryan said that I didn't and we should
probably say. He was on NFL Network yesterday. He was
talking about how Bill had a knack of being able
to treat everybody the same. Everything you get, everything, everything
you get you learned and but and I agree with that,

(49:46):
but I would also say he went on to say
that he's done a great job over the years of
adapting and moving on, and I don't think he's done
a great job with that. And and that's an example
of what I'm what I'm talking about. Yeah, I think
if you look up a coaching manual, all the best
coaches you guys probably had in all the sports that
you played probably did a good job of treating Evan

(50:07):
the same way he treated Mike. I don't think that
works like that anymore. I think some of these guys
have grown up in a culture that didn't have coaching
like that. It was that guy's special and he needs
to be treated a little bit differently. Some guys are
special and you can treat him like dirt. Some guys
are special and they need kid gloves. You have to adapt, like,

(50:30):
and I think Bill is like, no, I treat everybody
the same. Yeah. I don't think he's done a good
job of adapting for that, but I think you kind
of have to nowadays.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
I mean, he broke with that with Cam drastically. He
did not treat Cam the same as he treated everything.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
No, I think that's a good example the other way.
You're right, that's a counter to what I think.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
That's recent, you know, and they're you know, like he
let Gronkowski probably get away with some stuff off the
field that not everybody could. The goofiness and all that. Again,
he was that damn good.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
It's like, so if that, if that's what allows grot
to be motivated.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
And I'm not saying like, if Brady is late for
a meeting, he gets released off the team, that's treating
everybody the same, Like, that's not my point. Obviously. You know,
the ninetieth guy in the roster misses a meeting and
he's probably gonna be out of a job. That's not
what I'm saying. I just feel like, I don't think
you could treat Mac the same way you treated Tom.

(51:27):
I don't think that's gonna work for Mac. You know, like,
you can't blame him for every misstep on the field
the way you did for Tom in front of everybody,
trying to set a tone. Yeah, because I don't think
Mac is at that stage yet where he can handle
that and understand it.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Yeah. Uh, Paul and Norwood. Obviously, Bill Belichick has always
put an emphasis on core special teamers and has emphasized
that as well with this year's free agency and draft
after last year's disastrous results. Not to pick on Cody Davis,
but he assumed to be four and has played exactly

(52:02):
one defensive snap according to Pro Football Reference in his
three years with the Patriots. Do his special teams contributions
merit a final roster spot over maybe a late round
draft pick such as Speed or Bolden who may have
potential long term to be more valuable to the roster.
In the past, the Patriots have lost draft picks such
as Lee Smith and Kamier Gruger, Gruger Hill, and Udfa

(52:25):
Kenny Moore after being put on waivers at the fifty
three man cutdown. All started primarily as special teamers and
eventually carved out productive roles on their respective teams, most
notably More, who has been a starter for the Cold
since the second year and has made one Pro Bowl.
So are we missing out on some players because we're
so focused on these core guys? Of course, special team guys.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
I'd say Cody Davis is the wrong example because when
he got hurt in Cleveland, they were kind of a
mess on special teams after that and some of the
things that they were a mess at in particular, or
punt block right like you know, punt coverage block, whatever
you want to call it.

Speaker 11 (53:07):
He was.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
He was a personal protector and the main communicator on
the field, and they had some real issues. Remember the
one that they had blocked that nobody moved, like, yeah,
the long snapper snapped it. I think it was Cordona
still at the time, and nobody moved because they they
had the snap count differently than than the long snapper did.
And those are the communications. So I think that a

(53:28):
better example and for that that's not Cody Davis. Is
somebody like Brennan Schooler, who is a classic Belichick special
teams guy, He's gonna he's not playing safety at any
any time in his career unless they really have a
ton of injuries and they have no choice. So is
a guy like Brendan's Schooler worth keeping knowing that he's

(53:48):
going to be a core contributor on special teams over
somebody that you feel like does have a future on defense,
you know, like in a mere speed or like somebody
along those lines. But I think Cody Davis they missed him.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
As to his question is have they missed out on
players because of their special Yeah, they have, But I
think you're also missing like Camu gruge Hill, if he
made the Patriots, was going to be a special teamer.
Do you know? You know what I'm saying, Like you
don't know for sure. And that's why I like the
example that Evan brought up of Brendan Schooler because sight

(54:22):
unseen him and is it Deamarcus Mitchell. Yeah, those two
guys sight Unseen got on the practice field last year
and never did anything other than special teams. So as
rookies coming into the league, Like when Kenny Moore came in,
like he got reps in the secondary, clearly he was

(54:43):
going to be a special teams player. But I think
that he Evan is right to say the guys that
you're looking at a more schooler in Mitchell who it's
clear they don't have any intentions of those guys playing.
And I don't know this, and forgive me for not knowing.
You know, like the depth chart of every team special
teams around the league, it feels to me like the

(55:03):
Patriots have more of those guys that just do special
teams than most teams.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
Yeah, they carry and I would say them.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Like I could have Kenny Moore and Kamu Gruge Hill
on my team and then maybe by year three they're
like Miles Bryant and they played special teams, but they're
playing on defense too a little bit and they're contributing.
You know, you have to weigh it like Josh Bledze,
is Josh Blitz are ready to do that this year?
He could be. He could be ready to play more

(55:32):
of a meaningful role on defense. So I think there's
more guys like Kenny Moore than the emailer is probably remembering, all.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
Right, Maurice wants to know. Can the Patriots schedule release
just be Fred reading the games off of whiteboard.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
I think that'd be awesome.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
We did that last year, but it was Ernie Ernie
Adams did it, so we're not going to do that again.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Yeah, me and Mike wanted to be wise guys too
and just like read off the whole schedule and say
win after every game, like that's a win. But like,
you know, all right, I thought that would be trolling.

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History. Back in the day, when Eric was still a
meat eater, right, we went to Arthur's and wanted to
get a steak well done, and I objected. He did.
I objected, He voiced in opposition.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 12 (01:06:09):
Yes, told the server said, don't you dare, don't you
dare bring him a cooked steak.

Speaker 7 (01:06:15):
About five minutes later.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
He doesn't need a good cut, is what I'm saying.
You don't need to waste the money on someone who's
gonna have done.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
It's a waste of money because you don't like to.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Know it'll taste the same, is what I'm saying. He
won't even know the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Of course, you know the different stream cuts of meat.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
Not when you do it well done, not when you
cook it well done.

Speaker 8 (01:06:37):
Just give him a hook, it loses, it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Loses all its flavorin.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
That's another great moment from.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Cooking.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I mean, that's that's a fair grave. It is for
me too, but like to me, it's like, well, I'm
not eating. Why would I concern myself without how he's
gonna get my friends?

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Like I object, so literally, you know, we're doing our
orders and he's like, I'll have the rabbi well done.
Hold on, we're gonna you know, to the way that
we're gonna need a man send him away, Like, Eric,
you're not ordering a steak well done? You know?

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
So I think it's fair. Yeah, I like that. When
you go to a real steak restaurant. In my mind
is when they don't even ask, right you order? Are
gonna get the flag, I'm gonna get the sirloin, and
they're just like, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Yeah, how does it come though?

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Medium rare?

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Really?

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
Where have you been that they don't actus? Peter Lugers
doesn't add New York City?

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Yeah, yeah, because a lot of places won't bring it
to you a medium rare anymore. Well, which really irris a.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
State they will, but ground beef they won't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Oh God, Burgers, forget about it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Yeah, burgercy. There's a big difference between a burger and
ground and chop meat because the burg a steak keeps
like that shell, you know, so that the bacteria doesn't
get in. But once you chop it up and everything,
like you know, ground beef, then bacteria gets in. So
you should never ever have a burger less than medium.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Oh no, well, man, I wouldn't want it less than
medium anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
Some people would. But you should never get a burger
less than medium. But steak is okay, you know, because
it keeps like there's like a membrane that stays in it,
and it keeps like bacteria from going.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Freddy, just like it's true learning stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
The steak is different than than ground beef.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
No, I'm not done in terms of bacteria. Yeah, you
should try cooking like I had a cookout at my
house with my family. You'll go crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
Oh yeah, everybody wants it different.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Oh god, my brother, my brother in law, and my
sister in law all want it completely well done. Yeah,
like yeah, I have to just like leave the grill
and let them fresh, right. My other brother in law,
my sister's husband. I could use a match to cook
a burger and he's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Like, that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
That's good. Like I got like hot spots.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
On my grill.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
I'm like, I go crazy, you know, Like I don't
like cooking for a lot of people. It's in the
first place because I don't have that confidence that I'm
doing it right. And then everybody wants it different. Then
you can see everybody like they take I'm like, well,
then put it back on when you want me to tell.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
You anyway, all right, back to football eight five.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Like Labor Day, we do lobsters and I don't have
to worry you take.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
A hotline web radio at pages dot com as the
email address. I just love the fact that the weather's
getting warm again. Yeah, I mean, I'm so done with winter.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
And we didn't even have a bad winter. We had
a pretty mild winter I know at all. But the
spring got off to a good, like a really good start.
It got warm right away. Then we had like three
weeks of yeah until this week.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
I just it's just good for your bones, the heat.
It's good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I'm going to get that cover off the pool this week. Freddy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
Well, yeah, I don't have to worry about that anymore.
I kind of miss it, but all right, Neil writes
in from New Brunswick, schedule release isn't a big deal
to me because my viewing's all on TV. Just please
not Miami again. Please for the opener. I heard that
teams are no longer guaranteed a primetime game anymore, which
is if we're being honest or we really don't deserve

(01:10:07):
Oh yes we do. We were not that watchable last year,
and I'm sure our past success will get us a few. Also,
two Thursdays is just terrible the first time. I agree
with Mahomes. And finally, Isaiah Win is still a free agent?
Any chance we sign him between now in training camp?

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I would say, no, Yeah, I'm are.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
You surprised that he's still a free agent?

Speaker 5 (01:10:28):
No, I'm a little.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Surprised that someone hasn't signed him to like a one
year kind of prove it deal.

Speaker 5 (01:10:35):
They'll get that eventually now that teams are resetting their
depth charts after the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
I'm a little surprised. I'm not stunned by it, because
I don't think he played very well in Worse for
him individually is I think he was deemed to be
part of the problem, and I think that gets around.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Yeah, with all due respect Isaiah Whin, I've never been
around a guy that just doesn't seem interested in playing
football that is a professional football player, and that type
of thing definitely gets around.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
I would say, I don't remember too many guys whose
attitude I believe completely changed as dramatically as his did
from year one to year five. Yeah, it's a shame
he came in like a pleasure to talk to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:13):
Because you know, Evan I famously said when they drafted
him that his floor was a Pro Bowl guard. That
was his floor, and I was just wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
Well, that's definitely one of those lessons of how much
attitude goes into because he's got all the talent in
the world to be the floor of a Pro Bowl guard.
But I just accused as somebody that just didn't seem
to want to be here at all.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
And that was certainly the case last year from the
start of the season when they would ever if it
was the flip flopping from left to right, if that's
what it was. But I agree with Evan, he did
not want to be here.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Matt and Devin UK because someone was messing around at
Fred's box last week, it made me look like an idiot.
You managed to read half my email and then just
the line up for Paul of do you think we
should trade for a J. Brown? The whole question was
for Paul and is and was do you think that
we should trade for a J.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Brown?

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
As surely after Jalen Hurt's new bumper contract that Eagles
must be in cap jail and need to move on
from their best players.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
So I assume that that was like sarcasm.

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
Maybe No, I think that he thinks that not reading
that second half about Jalen Hurts contract forcing them to
move on made it any different.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Right, So that's why I'm assuming he's being sarcastic. I
don't know, it doesn't The rest of that sentence doesn't
change the email.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
That's what I expected you to say.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Correct, unless he's being sarcastic and being funny, which in
the case like I can appreat and I mean more
than me to appreciate snark. Yeah, right, right, that's what
I think he's doing. It's just like like Paul, like,
you know they have to trade AJ Brown now, right, Paul,
because they're in captured.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
That could be That's the way I unless he really
believes it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Right, except for like that's not going to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
There will be players just like Buffalo's going through, Kansas
City's going through that end up having to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Be except they're not going to be those kinds of now.
It's not gonna be like the number one misnomer, like
and Fred always pushes back, So I'm not going to
get into the cap or no cap at all that.
But people always call players cap casualties like they're really
good players. Like if aj Brown catches another ninety balls

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for fifteen hundred yards and eleven touchdowns next year, they're
not gonna make him a cap casualty. They're going to
figure out somebody how to manipulate the cap to make
sure that they need to keep him and hurts right,
and someone who maybe I don't know, filled a role
for them but wasn't all that valuable, Like I don't know,
I don't know their whole depth chart at receiver beyond

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DeVante Smith and him, but like they let another guy go. Sure, yeah,
I think that maybe they would keep if in a
perfect world, but they have to find some cap dollars somewhere.
So this guy who caught thirty balls is gonna go.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Yeah, I mean a guy like Miles Sanders not on
the team anymore, right, because they're right. They don't do
that with running backs in Philly anyways, because they're analytically driven.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
But Er, that's a good example, Miles Sanders, good player.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
Go get paid by Carolina. We're gonna, we're gonna, you know,
draft somebody and they're trade for DeAndre Swift and replace
you that way. But I think the one guy that,
like Dallas Goddard, you know, I don't know, can can
they pay three of them?

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Though? As long as he's still productive, they'll keep. They'll
find a way to keep them.

Speaker 5 (01:14:30):
I tend to agree. I do wonder about DeVante Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
You know, they lost some of the defensive players off
of that team, but a lot of them were on
one year contract.

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
Yeah right, Yeah, they ended up keeping some of those
guys because who is it a Darius lay Right, they
were gonna cut him and then they ended up figuring
it out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
They allowed him permission I thought to seek a trader. Yeah,
and they ended up taking any defenses and Bradbury resigned. Right, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Yeah, DeVonta Smith is he's gonna be what He's a
twenty twenty raft pick, right, so he's I think year four,
year five now, So it'd be interesting to see what
they end up doing with him. You know, I think
it's similar to the Chase and Higgins thing in Cincinnati.
They'll they'll pay him both, and they'll pay the quarterback
and they'll figure the rest of it out.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
Tim our friend at dunkin Donuts or just Duncan. I
just listened to last week's Catch twenty two and as
Evan and Alex were reviewing each of the draft picks,
Evan discussed that he believes that with the addition of
Marty Mapu, the Patriots should change the style of their defense,
basically having a lighter, quicker linebacker on the field every down.
My question is, do you agree that the Patriots should

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change their defensive philosophy, and more importantly, do you think
they will? They will, like Evan hopes.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
Well, I already answered. We talked about that for about
twenty five minutes, going back and forth. Because Bart is
not in the he doesn't think they'll do it. I
think is more I don't want to put words.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
On what, what does it mean? What do what?

Speaker 5 (01:15:57):
So essentially the debates because I am insistent that Marty
map who should be labeled a linebacker and should be
considered a linebacker moving forward, because I think a lot
of people when they made that draft pick drew parallels
to Kyle Dugger And what's this mean for Kyle Duggar's
free agency and their body type wise, their their height, weight,
that type of thing is a little bit similar. But

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to me, Marty map who plays like a traditional linebacker
and just a way that he plays on the field,
you know, speaking to Jim Nagy from the Senior Bowl,
and he mentioned that Dugger is a little bit more fluid,
a little bit looser, a little bit better change of direction,
whereas Marty Matpho is a true linear downhill athlete and
somebody that isn't going to have that change of direction

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and kind of fluidity in space to be able to
be man coverage on Travis Kelcey, Like that's just not
going to be the type of athlete that he is.
So to me, you know, I look at not to
throw him under the bus, but I look at a
guy like Jelani Tavai. He know they're always going to
play a Jawan Bentley, Like Jawan Bentley is always going
to play on first and second down. But you look

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at some of these weak sidelinebackers that they've had. Can
the weak sidelinebacker be somebody that can run a little
bit like, does that guy also have to be two
hundred and fifty five pounds, or can we have the
guy that's playing away from the tight end and away
from the strong side of the formation be somebody like
Marty Mapuh's two hundred and twenty pounds, so that can
go sideline to sideline, that can cover a good depth
of the field, that can be instinctive and have a

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nose for the football and really be a quick tackler
and things like that. That to me is they've not
done that. They haven't completely pivoted to that type of
player yet, whereas the last rest of the league has
Matt Milano playing the week side or Dean Jones playing
the mic, or you know the other guys that are lighter, faster,
Fred Warner and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Karen Lorry, Patrick Queen. Right, there's a lot of those
type guys. And I kind of agree with Alex, Yeah,
I want to see it before I have.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Yeah, well, I don't think I like, I have no
problem with the way the Patriots defense has played last year.
I just think it's always better to do it faster,
you know, Like they've always been this matchup defense where
they scheme against the other team's offense. You know, they
don't have they've never had like players that are so
dominant that you just roll them out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
But well, don't they have to change like what like
like last year the last seven games, they allowed like
something like twenty nine points a game, you know, And
I know that wasn't all defensive points because I know
they were they were like returns in there, you know,
special teams issues. I know it wasn't all on defense,
but over the last seven games, the other team basically
could score yep against that defense. And I think that's

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a pattern that that's sort of developed over the last
few years. But it's like I think, when the other
team figures out what they're what they're doing on defense,
there's only so much you can do with scheme.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Yeah, well if you do it faster, then you know,
I don't know, I just I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
But no, now I'm with you, Fred, I want to
change personnel and change the way I'm going about doing it. Yeah,
Like I would like to see Evan be right in
this argument with argument it's probably strong with with Alex,
no conversa.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
I think the biggest the biggest, it was a good conversation.
I think the biggest thing was is that, to Alex's point,
traditionally Marty Map who is a safety for the Patriots,
He's Kyle Duggar, He's Adrian Phillips, He's he's a safety,
He's Patrick Chung like he's those types of players. But
what I am saying is is that I would like
to see him be used as a true traditional inside

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linebacker like a Jawan Bentley, but smaller and faster. And
I think the biggest thing is is that you look
at the matchup last year against Buffalo in the last
week of the season, and on first down they are
in you know, their bass nickel and they're rolling Jilani
Tavai and Juwan Bentley and Matthew Judon out there. You know,
obviously Judon on the edge, and Buffalo just gashes them

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on first down every time they because they're too fast
and and Alan is too mobile. So they get these
guys that are two hundred and fifty two hundred and
fifty five pounds, they stretch the field tours, they get
them into space, and they just don't have the guys
in the middle of the field to keep up with it.
And at some point a guy like Marty Mattpu traditionally
for the Patriots would either be a safety like a

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Kyle Dugger type, or he would be a sub package player.
He would only come on the field on third down
and he'd be a very situational pass rusher or a
situational coverage player. I want to see that guy play
all three downs now, like, because that's where way the
game is going. And you look at the schedule next year,
Kansas City, Buffalo twice, Philadelphia is on the schedule, Like,

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they're gonna play a lot of these guys that have
the you know, a lot of these teams with mobile quarterbacks,
with that speed on offense, that ability to stretch you horizontally,
and they've got to avoid getting picked apart in the
middle of the field.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Yeah. I totally agree with that, and I have embraced
that thought process over the last several years. Fred and
not all of those guys that I mentioned have worked
out to be really good players. Matter of fact, some
of those guys have just recently not had their fifty
year options picked up. Some of those guys that I mentioned,
But I do think that that style of player is
what a lot of teams are going to and having success.

(01:21:06):
You know, the Rokwon Smiths of the world, that they're
having success with more athletics, smaller linebackers that maybe give
up a little bit in the power game, and you
have to live with that where I'm sort of skeptical now.
I think the last thing you said about map who
is probably what they I think maybe a third down
kind of package, you know, subpackaged kind of guy would

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be a compromise for Bill in some way. But like
I look at like I'm just looking at what they're doing,
Like Keon White is like a two hundred and eighty
five pound defensive Like that's the kind of defensive end
big like, So this is how we set the five technique.

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You know, he's gonna work out here and he's gonna
be able to be like Dietrich wise and be one
of those kinds of guys as opposed to you know,
a von Miller type edge guy who maybe sacrifices a
little in bulk against the run. You might be able
to take advantage of him in the ground game a
little bit, but he's more of an athlete. Like to me,
it doesn't make sense to have one guy stay in

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that mold and then have the linebackers gonna be totally
different because this like a forty pound difference between Johanni
to Vai and Mapoo, right, so this is in by
all accounts, Mapou cannot play safety.

Speaker 5 (01:22:19):
So this is the this is the rabbit hole that
we got down, and the like kind of finally came
out because for me, where it started was is I
was trying to figure out Keyon White, like, what do
they see in this kid? What's the role for him?
Why this pick? Why the old school Ty Warren two
hundred and eighty five pound defensive end. And eventually what
I sort of got to was, well, if they take

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Jolani to Vai off the field and they put Marty
map who at the second level where I want him,
they got to be better up front, right, They got
to be stouter, they got to be more physical upfront.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
So you're marrying the two that way. So I figured out, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
Well put the bult closer to the line. If you
have Keon White and Christian Barmore and Godshaw and Jude
On and that's your front on first down, more like
a four man front. And then you have your lighter
at the second and the third level. But now you
have another two hundred and eighty five pound guy that
can hold up at the point of attack. So it's
not you're not as susceptible to the run in that

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sense that Marty map who is just gonna get guards
on top of him, and he's not gonna be able
to get off those blocks. So I hope that they're
going hand in hand on that, and that Kean White
is here to take up, you know, to clog the
line of scrimmage, take up blockers, you know, the whole
traditional Patriot thing, which in theory should keep a guy
like Marty mappho's undersize to play where he's playing clean

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to run.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
To the football works in theory absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
I just go back to what you know, Teddy Bruski.
I remember standing he was standing up at the Patriot
Hall of Fame induction ceremony, think for Richard Seymour.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Behind Seymour, Warren and Will Fork.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
And he said, this is what playing linebacker was behind
these three guys. And I look at Keon White and
bar More and godshot, and I'm like, it's not the same,
Like those are all three of those guys are are
borderline not Ty Warren, but Seymour and will Fork. One
is in the Hall of Fame, the real Hall of fame,
and one could be in the in the big Hall

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of Fame. So I'm not saying that though these guys
are comparable, but I like to think that that maybe
is the idea.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Deuce is back from availability. How was it?

Speaker 8 (01:24:27):
Oh, it was fun.

Speaker 6 (01:24:28):
Now I heard from Bentley, big Celtics fan, big Celtics fan.
I didn't realize it was even his team growing up.
So he's going tonight. So nice, so always good from Bentley.
But we also got to meet Chris Board so that
was fun. He said the Patriots wanted him. He said,
other teams were like, we'll take you, but they pursued
him and wanted him. As you know, probably people can

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imagine with the quote from Belichick which he was asked about.

Speaker 8 (01:24:52):
And you know, very very flattered and you know.

Speaker 6 (01:24:54):
Just seemed like a soft spoken, you know, quiet guy
that you know, just fit the mold.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Like that was quick availability, It was quick.

Speaker 8 (01:25:02):
It was quick. I mean, you know, not not too
much going on. Bentley talked mostly about.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
There are a lot of writers that Fred can I do
you mind? Go ahead?

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Mood.

Speaker 6 (01:25:09):
It was a little more spread out than usual, Like
we've been down there in that new media room and
everybody it's been more of a scrum, and today we
all sat at tables, so it was a little bit more.
They one at a time, one at a time.

Speaker 8 (01:25:20):
Yeah, so you brought them out nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Table, a long table like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
The old like the old days.

Speaker 6 (01:25:29):
For like one of those off track, I was on
the Belichick going, I was imagining Paul and I was
like thinking, he was sitting there listening very intently.

Speaker 8 (01:25:35):
That's you know, you look like you getting getting.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
I respect the process.

Speaker 8 (01:25:40):
Did you have a question?

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
Yeah, what do you think of the new media workroom
and the setup? Because this is very inside based people
some people like having when we have these conversations. I
think and I have some thoughts about the new meeting.

Speaker 4 (01:25:53):
I know that's temporary.

Speaker 8 (01:25:55):
I know it's temporary, so I won't I won't judge
it too hard. It's small, you know, it is is
a little bit small.

Speaker 6 (01:26:01):
I like the access to in the old one because
you could come from the front, you could come from
the back. You know, there are other ways to get
in and out, and this one you were late.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
You wouldn't necessarily disrupt the press conference, right if you
were late, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:26:13):
Sneak in the back. You could probably still do that here.

Speaker 6 (01:26:17):
But you just don't have the options of of, you know,
to get in and out like you did at the
old one.

Speaker 8 (01:26:22):
But I'm sure it'll be it'll be fine. There's tables,
there's a podium. Well, I didn't see that yet. I
haven't checked that out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
There was a little kitchen. There is a kitchen which
I could get my diet PEPs.

Speaker 6 (01:26:33):
We said we could get a bartender maybe working, you know,
passing out cocktails back there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:26:37):
There's a kitchen at there though, I don't know what
that's I'll have.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
To see what it's like during the season before I
really render true judge.

Speaker 8 (01:26:44):
You seem like you seem like you're pretty hot about
this one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:26:47):
Not, well, maybe reserve judgment before it's not a media
scrum up like right around everyone just crying.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
Made that was tough my one experience. I actually like
that a little bit better, honestly, because I can hear
the person and I can ask questions. But with mac
rowe when he was at the podium, it's far like
you're far away from from him. And if you're not
in like the first couple of rows, like when when
Bill gets.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Up there was on microphone.

Speaker 5 (01:27:14):
He is, but I'm talking about to ask questions from
the group. You know, If Bill's up there and I'm
trying to ask him a question from the last row,
I forget about it, Like I'm probably not gonna get
the question in right because I'm gonna get talked over.

Speaker 6 (01:27:28):
You got to do business as business is being done,
you know, you got to adjust right like that.

Speaker 8 (01:27:32):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
I feel like those upfront seats are now going to
become that's going to be like a war like it
used to be. You know, Mike had his seat.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Him and so s were tag team, right, and Reese
would have that that very first seat like on the
aisle tweeted out about four hours ago he was already there.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
And that that that was Reese's seat, and that no
one sat there we all understood. But everywhere else was
kind of like you know it, there wasn't really a
bad seat in the house. In the old media workroom
this one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Yeah, whats going on in that media work round, Freddy,
that doesn't exist anymore. Yeah, Why they're building a new
club club, one of.

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
Those clubs where you can watch the players go out
from the locker room onto the field and all that stuff. Yeah,
well listen, they're all doing it. All the teams have
it now.

Speaker 8 (01:28:28):
Smokes, smoke show and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
So they're going to be smoke shows, actual smoke.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
So decent contingency.

Speaker 6 (01:28:36):
Yeah, it was kind off season, only a couple of cameras,
not a full contingent of all the cameras. But you know,
the usual playing hits, playing the hits off season, Celtics,
a lot of Celtics energy.

Speaker 8 (01:28:48):
Go sees, no grumbling or about any no grumbling I
would I would.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Say, so there was nobody to grumble about.

Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
The media worker, I would say to Bentley was asked
about he visited the Pine Street in last week, and
he really lit up, was just like, I really appreciate
the question. You know, I think people probably know he
grew up a little bit with like I guess, as
he put it home, instability, And I don't say he
grew up homeless, but sounded like he went through some
things as a kid, so just really it seemed like

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it was a special thing to him to be able to,
you know, speak to those people there at.

Speaker 8 (01:29:17):
The Pine Street and in Boston. So just one other
thing that was nice.

Speaker 4 (01:29:21):
Okay, let's get to the A sticket hutline Ryan's and
but I don't know if you want to close the
window or something. TAXI Hello, can you hear me? Yes?

Speaker 12 (01:29:41):
Yes, Hi, all right, thanks for taking my call last
week or maybe it was the week before. I guess
you guys had brought up a couple of times that
you were saying Mac deserved another shot. Yeah, And I
found that interesting because I'm not so sure that Mac
deserves a I mean, I think that, yeah, he's fine,

(01:30:03):
and I'm fine with having a Mac quarterback this year,
and I don't necessarily think he's the quarterback of the future.
But yeah, I just I'm curious if you know what
the rationale is behind saying Max deserves another shot at a.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Quarterback, because I don't think we got a fair look
look last year, and I you know, I think you know,
it wasn't fair to him. So that's just that's all
it is it's let's let's have another look with a
person who was an offensive coordinator before uh and see
if he can do any better.

Speaker 6 (01:30:35):
I would say, I mean too, like, I think I
think we're all on board with him having to compete
for that.

Speaker 8 (01:30:39):
I mean, I don't think like it's just carte blanche.
Go out there, you're the starter.

Speaker 6 (01:30:42):
I just I mean, I agree with Fred's point that
the biggest thing was just the offense overall didn't play
into the strengths, nobody ever got it. But that doesn't
mean that I'm married to Mac and oh he's the starter,
come hell or high water. Like I think you've seen
it from the coaches. He's going to have to go
out there and prove that he can still do it too.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
Yeah, I feel like I'm married to Macford the start
of this year. Yeah, like right, Like I I don't.
I don't really fully think that that Bailey Zappi is
in play to start Week one for the Patriots. I
think that's Mac Jones. But if we get to Halloween
and he's really struggling and they feel like it might

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be time for a change, and they're headed towards the
change next offseason anyways, so you want to see what
you have with Zappy, then that's a different story. But
I don't really I don't think there's a quarterback competition
this summer. In real reality, I kind of feel like.

Speaker 12 (01:31:33):
I'd agree that there's no competition, but I just don't
think that I would say he deserves it, as in
like before the draft, we shouldn't have even looked at
another quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Okay, but that's so, that's so, that's a different that's
a different conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
Thanks, Ryan.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Oh okay, go ahead and answer well, I can take
it off the air. I thought we were going to
have a conversation, that's a different But if you're suggesting that,
you know, like, so let's use will Levis because he's
the only one that was available at fourteen, and he
was obviously in the Patriots news because of his visit.

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I wouldn't say that the Patriots shouldn't take Will Levis
because Mac deserves the right to have that. No, that's
not the same thing I'm saying. Given the current quarterback room,
in the manner in which they went about structuring the
offense last year, right down to Mike Dusseau rightly pointing

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out that they took days off that they could have
been working on the offense in the summer that extra day.

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
And I have a theory about why.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
I think he deserves another opportunity to prove one way
or the other. Based on the Matt Patricia situation and
what they have, I don't think that they have an
option that's more palatable than mac Jones on the roster. Now,
if mac Jones plays like he did, you know, for
the large majority of last year, in my mind, then

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Bailey's appy should absolutely be in line to earn a
job in practice. Like it shouldn't just be well, come
hell or high water, it's Mac Jones if he doesn't
play well and the other kids playing well in practice,
which we were led to believe at times in the
off season, right, he was pushing getting number one snaps
and what of these? Right, So if that's the case,

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then he deserves that opportunity. This is not his job, like,
this is Tom Brady, this is Drew bledsone. That's not
what we're we're doing here. This deserves a chance. He's
the number one guy on this team right now today,
and he deserves the opportunity for that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
I just think it's different than I guess this is
what I was saying with with Cam when they drafted Mac.
Can't remember Bill said that Cam's our starter, But once
we got the training camp, it was pretty clear that
Mac the door was wide open for Mactue.

Speaker 3 (01:33:57):
There was a competition, right and even more so I
think leaning towards Mac already having the inside track just
based off of the reps that they were getting. But
I would agree with that too.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
Bailey's appy, I think we're going to see a true
Mac is getting QB one reps, Bailey's Appy's getting QB
two reps. I'd be pretty surprised if there's any sort
of overlap.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Feel Yeah, I do, I do, But I know Fred
does I feel this, But he's on a leash, and
I mean, I think that that's just the difference for me.
There's a difference between deserving another chance and deserving the job.

Speaker 8 (01:34:27):
Like, I don't think he deserves the job.

Speaker 6 (01:34:29):
He just deserves a chance again, and I'm not going
to write him off completely given the circumstances last year. Now,
do I have my feelings about how this might go, Yes,
I certainly do, but I'm still.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
Giving them and my choice on whether or not. It
was yes or no. For Levis had nothing to do
with Max deserving anything. It was whether or not I
thought Will Levis was worthy of that selection.

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
Yeah. I saw a great story about back recently. One
of his former teammates at Alabama. They had gone to
some I should know exactly what it was, but they
had gone to some sort of event that they had
to wear suit, suit, tie, dress shirt, you know, dress, shoes,
the whole thing. And after the event they went to
Alabama's practice facility. There walking by Alabama's practice facility and

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Mac Jones turns him and says, hey, like, while we
go throw the football around, you know, just just mess
around a little bit. Next thing, the guy says, the
next thing, I know, I'm running full speed routes at
ten o'clock at night, you know from Mac Jones and
Mac is in a full sweat like, you know, full
workout mode where he both didn't have shoes on because
we didn't have regular you know, we didn't have cleats
or sneakers or anything like that. And I just I

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do think that he has that that relentless work ethic.
The question is does he have the physical ability like
I don't think it's a want to or an attitude
or a work I don't think it's any it's yeah, right,
like does he have that physical ability? And I just
you mentioned I thought of this because you mentioned Will Levis,

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who I think is the total opposite from everything that
you hear about him. The reason why he fell to
the second round is because he's not really wired that way.
He's more worried about marketing deals off the field than
he is worried about you know, when does rookie mini
camp start. So I feel for Mack in that regard.
I think, like I find myself feeling for him because
I think he he does put in the work, and

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he does put in the extra hours, but he might
physically just not be good enough.

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
I think that's like exactly what I said last offseason
about him, Like and I have issues with him, certainly
with you know, how we dealt with some of stuff
last year.

Speaker 8 (01:36:30):
But as far as like.

Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
Off season and what he's doing and organizing throwing sessions
and you know, maniacally pursuing his goal of being you know,
a top quarterback in this league.

Speaker 8 (01:36:39):
I have no doubt he's trying all that stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:36:41):
It's just I don't know if you can retroact or like,
if you can manufacture a superstar like I don't know
if if like if you just find the guy who's
willing to work the hardest than ever, that he's going
to be the best. There's just a certain level of
natural talent that I'm not sure if it's going to
be able to get him to that point, even.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
Thought the work. I think I agree with everything that
Evan said about, you know, his work ethic and everything,
But at what point, you know, is it where you
know you're this player and you don't like the way
things are happening, and hey, Mac, just it'll be no,
I'm not gonna listen, No, this isn't right. Like, at

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what is there a point where, even if you have
everything that Evan said in terms of work ethic and drive,
where you have to at least step back a little
bit and let your coaches coach and take orders and
not always be like I don't like it. It's not right.

Speaker 8 (01:37:33):
You know, you know, it's maturity, right, I mean that
seems like a maturity.

Speaker 5 (01:37:37):
But yeah, but I think it goes back to what
Paul is saying at the beginning about today's athlete and
maybe just having to treat him a little bit differently
than than what you would have before. And I wonder,
if I don't know, I wonder how they could have
handled that situation better from the jump to get him
on board and even initially.

Speaker 8 (01:37:56):
Extra day at OTA practices.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
But I I just but I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:38:01):
I always hear stories about like Edelman, for example, and
I don't want to compare to Brady, so like with Edelman,
like you always hear those stories about how his dad
would like go out with like a you know, one
of those ball machines at six am and he'd be
fielding punts off the ball machine before school, And like,
I feel like Mac is wired that way too, So
I'm just what, like, is it just physical ability that's

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the disconnect? Like, where is the disconnect between that the
guy that I know, the job at Alabama?

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
If your bill what's not to like? Does everything? Yes,
that I would think that you would love, right, But
he's got to be something with your word maturity.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
Yeah, I think that that's probably is what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
Zach writes in I like the early roster projection Evan did. However,
one change I'm hoping for is that Miles Bryant doesn't
make the team and one of the two late round
corners work out. Having multiple over six foot tall for
three corners could be very beneficial against top teams. I
feel Brian is more of a liability than anything else.

Speaker 5 (01:39:01):
I'll believe it when I see it that Myles Brian
isn't on in the mid Plus those.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
Two guys, I think he's talking about Speed and Bolden,
not Gonzales, right, yeah, I would hope. So no, so
you have one plus six feet corner. I think the
other two are special teamers, and you know, talked a
little bit to Michigan State's special teams coach about a
mere speed and that's how he described I mean, he's like, listen,
he never he never talked about being a cornerback. You

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always knew that his future, you know, lied on special teams.
So I think that's what he expects. So I would
be stunned if you see these guys, you know, especially Speed.
I don't know as much about Bolden, but two years
from now, three years from now getting any kind of
regular reps as corner Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:39:43):
But but also to mention kind of what we were
talking about before was just that like those late round
kind of big corner like I mean there's size.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Evan mentioned it in size and Webster types.

Speaker 6 (01:39:52):
Yeah, six to two guys, ten four to three speed.
I mean, you know, if you're going to take a
chance of guys, it's the kind of guys you want
to take a swing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
So that kind of tells you what. There's thirty thirty one.
Other teams looked at these guys and said, wow, six one,
six two, you know runs runs like that, Eh, seventh round,
so that they're telling you sixth round. So that's what
these guys are.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
If they don't even think they had the ability to
play corner at that size and speed, then you'd be
Christian Gonzalez get taken in the first round.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:40:28):
I didn't even think twice about having Miles brian On there,
to be honest with you, I just.

Speaker 8 (01:40:34):
Like he's part of that question.

Speaker 5 (01:40:35):
Yeah, I mean I haven't you know, there's just too
many I haven't looked yet. With Devin gone, just trying
to fill the brain drain of losing Devon by taking
a guy that they clearly trust and clearly has experience
in the system at both safety and corner. To take
that guy off the roster and put a rookie on
that doesn't know any of the things that Miles Bryant

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knows about the defense and stuff like that. I just
that just doesn't seem.

Speaker 8 (01:41:00):
I, you know, like them, I just thought of something.

Speaker 6 (01:41:02):
And we spent so much time talking about everything about
this team, and and you know, we're talking about all
these special teams guys that they drafted, some they signed
Chris Board, they brought back Cody Davis, they brought back
Matthew Slater. And it's funny because I wish and I
almost feel like I need to write it is like
where's the deep dive about what exactly positions on special
teams did those guys play last year?

Speaker 8 (01:41:22):
And I know Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:41:25):
Were gone, but you know, really, like I, I do
think that there's something there about how is this a competition?

Speaker 8 (01:41:30):
Like who is actually in competition? Who plays gunner? Who
who's you know, who's on.

Speaker 6 (01:41:34):
The outside, And you know, like we just kind of
gloss over the special teams positions and it feels like
there's really a lot of roster competition that's gonna happen,
and and it almost we know all about five technique
and you know, week sidelinebacker and all those kind of positions.

Speaker 8 (01:41:46):
But it's like, all right, well the L three spot
was really bad on the kickoff.

Speaker 6 (01:41:50):
You know what I mean, Like, no one can speak
to that, but it's it's probably something that they is
trying to figure out what makes Brandon's school or a
better L three.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Yeah, then potentially Pierre Strong who's going to be the
backup running back which is great, which is for example
that ever used because Pierre Strong had a pretty significant
blunder on special teams in the Minnesota game. I think
he was the one that ran into the punter that
gave Minnesota that extra chance to take the lead in
the fourth quarter. So like I would ask that, like

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why is the guy who just plays special teams a
better option than the guy who can perhaps be a backup? Now,
I think it'd be really interesting to watch speed in
Bolden when we get out there are they in the
Matthew Slater one on one course, probably school with schooler
in Mitchell right, de Marcus mitchell In Schooler were there

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from day one of the spring? Well we see these
kids there too.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
Yeah, Jerry and London says he wants to write about
rare burgers and steaks plus the football question. He said,
Fred was not quite correct, but on the right track.
A state can be cooked rare because the bacteria can
only be on the outside and the searing kills it.
We know that the interior is uncontaminated. That's kind of
what I said the beef. When the beef is ground

(01:43:08):
for a burger, the outer layer that would be seared
if cooked as a steak is now mixed up with
the rest, so it shouldn't be eaten rare. However, we
have a chain of burger restaurants here in London that
will serve them rare on request because the beef is
ground the same day from a full cut that has
been trimmed prior to the grinding process. They are safe
and delicious.

Speaker 8 (01:43:28):
Wow, this is not my.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
Time to shine as your resident burger expert, because I
am not one. I just repeat stuff someone told me
without fact checking.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
It's kind of like Fred or something.

Speaker 4 (01:43:39):
Yeah. Football point. Bill's offseason indicated to me that he
has no confidence in Mac. Why waste a hide pick
or trade for a top end receiver when the quarterback
can't get him the ball. Better to stock up on
defense and get that set up ready. For the next quarterback.
Just my perception, What are your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:43:57):
I think that Bill still whole hardly believes that great defense,
clean special teams, and an offense that's just good enough
is going to win you eleven or twelve games. I
think that he's.

Speaker 8 (01:44:09):
Still put you in the mix at the end.

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
I see he still thinks that that core identity of football,
of play well in all three phases, deep roster, good
on defense, don't turn the ball over. I think he
thinks that those things, all those tenants Still.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
I have no doubt that that's how he thinks. I'm
one hundred percent convinced that that's how we think. Just
what Evan just said. What I don't know is does
Bill recognize that as good as his defense has been
statistically over the last let's call it three years now,
does he still think it was bad luck or circumstantial
when he's gone up against the better offenses and struggled,

(01:44:47):
because more often than not against the better I'm not
telling you every single time.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
Right, but the picks that they made there to make
the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
I know. But I almost think, like I go back
to the Nick Saban quote, like I think Savment's right, Yeah,
I think that the great defense can only be so
great today.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
Well maybe that's his point too, is like, yeah, we
did struggle against the better offenses, so does everybody else
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:45:12):
But what I'm saying is you can make your defense
better and you can win games. I don't think you
could be a contender that way. Yeah, if you don't
get the offense, you.

Speaker 5 (01:45:20):
Can only win one can only win one, right, it
can only.

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
Win one way?

Speaker 4 (01:45:24):
Here now has the difference?

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Yeah, it's just they can only make that difference.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
They can only win one game script, And if they
don't play to that game script, did they fall behind
or if they get into a higher scoring game they
lose every single time. Like it's the the math is
right there for you. Their record when they give up
twenty five plus points, they're over in the mac Jones era.
It just it's the same thing. And I just this
draft this offseason definitely speaks to the fact that that

(01:45:50):
he still thinks what I just said that those three things.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
Well, I think I like I said, I'm one hundred
percent convinced that he thinks that.

Speaker 6 (01:45:56):
Yeah, I'd also just say, I mean I think it
was somewhat you know, based on who was available, you know,
and like I do think that these moves that they made,
your defense was above your offense last year, and these
moves probably put your defense above.

Speaker 8 (01:46:09):
But it also sets resets the ceiling a little bit
for me.

Speaker 6 (01:46:11):
If these guys work out that, you know, maybe they
can get over the hump.

Speaker 4 (01:46:14):
But if there was a.

Speaker 6 (01:46:15):
Great wide receiver there, you know, if Garrett Wilson was
sitting there. This is a different year, Crystal. You know
what a differentation.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
You guys liked more than just just Zay Flowers and
in the in the like you you liked other guys
instead of maybe like Kean wider Mapu.

Speaker 6 (01:46:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean tight ends, you know. That's that's
that's where I would go.

Speaker 5 (01:46:35):
Mingo in a little bit earlier than I was expecting
him to go. I think he went thirty eight or
thirty ninth. And then you know, the one that's gonna
hat me is Josh Downs. Like, if Josh Downs ends
up being a good player, did what tea at seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
You're gonna be all right, sawsome video of him, but
like down there, oh yeah, he's got he looks pretty good.
He's going to struggle though with like if he had
gone to like Kansas City or and you're like, oh, geez,
now I got to watch this guy catch eighty balls.
Sky Waller will be okay.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
Soil in Seattle rights in with no major upgrades on
offense besides Koseki. Uh, he says, besides maybe Kaseki. What
happens this team is picking in the middle of the
first round again, does the excuses for the quarterback now
become a lack of talent around him? This guy MATC
seems bulletproof in the media.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Oh, it's as as they say on my shows, right, Yeah,
let's not kill everybody for something that hasn't happened yet, right, paraphrasing,
Let's not blame anybody for something they haven't done yet.
Let's not say that it's not going to work, and
let's not say that Mac is bulletproof, because that's what
they're going to say. That said. I think that's going
to happen. I think he's going to have an average year,

(01:47:47):
and I think that the hue and cry after that
is going to be, well, what do you expect? You
got to get him weapons? I think he's right, that
is going to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
Well, I think I think the discerning viewer will know
the difference if if he's just not getting the ball
to open guys and it's Mac. You know if if
the whole offense just looks crazy again, then yeah, I
just hope that's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:48:09):
I think, look crazy, They're going to have a structure, right.

Speaker 4 (01:48:14):
That's what I'm about to say. I think the guys
in this team, the weapons that Mac have our NFL weapons, right,
I think they're good enough. I think with them and
Bill O'Brien structuring it, to use Paul's word, we should
get a fair representation of who Mac is now in
his third year. I think we should be able to

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make a clear decision on whether or not we think
he's got what it takes by the end of the season.
I just I just worry.

Speaker 6 (01:48:43):
What if it's whack a mole and it's something else
every other week and one week he.

Speaker 8 (01:48:46):
Looked like he looked, he looked pretty good last week,
he was terrible this week?

Speaker 4 (01:48:51):
Or was he flat on his back?

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:48:54):
Like, but what if you can't pin it down to like, well,
he was sacked six times that week and he was
bad and this week he wasn't you know, like like
if if it's just inconsistent, that's what's hard to pin
down what you're gonna get.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
The week he's good, it's five for one oh one
for DeVante Parker, and then like two weeks later he's
not so good because Parker like turned an ankle or
something like. There will be something. I'm just telling you,
I think, But if it's.

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
Not gonna be and White I defended back maybe more
than anybody last year. But if we get to the
point where we're now and you're three of it being
mediocre at best, like, at that point, next off season
becomes a real quarterback conversation. Like I think all of
us even know, I understand what you're saying, Paul, but
I think at that point all of us would realize, Okay,

(01:49:38):
like this is not the answer, This is not the
long term. So even if you do surround him by
with all these weapons, I.

Speaker 4 (01:49:44):
Mean, like they had injuries last year, but they also
had like the whole disgruntled thing, you know, burns in
the dog out the dog house and things like that.
I don't expect that other nonsense to be happening. There
will be injuries, guys will get hurt, but you know,
a good quarterback and a good offensive quarter be able
to figure that out and Okay, we're gonna have to

(01:50:05):
adjust a little bit here. Well I think, well.

Speaker 6 (01:50:08):
No, well, yeah, I'd just love to see I'd love
to have Max surprise me, you know, as I just
I feel like what you see is what you get
in a lot of games with him, and and you know,
and I think that they like that to some degree
of just you know, hoping that he's going to be steady.
But I just for me, I would just that's one
thing I'm really waiting for, is like, win a game,
a game that you're up against. It it doesn't you're
against a good team. This is a playoff team. You

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got to play perfectly, you know, and he and he
doesn't look great and he pulls it out like it's
just I don't see a lot of flip the script
kind of moments from him so far. And I guess,
you know, and and and it can be up and
down next year, but I just I think you at
least very least need to see some kind of glimpses
of like, yeah, but he had a couple of games that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
I'd like to see them because of offense. Yeah, right,
I mean that's I mean it's like whether it's like
you fell behind or whatever, but just you know, you
were good on offense throughout the game and you dictated
the game because your offense.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
We think about like two tight games last year. Minnesota
was one where you know, they were moving the ball
and then the Raiders, right.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
They didn't move the ball again both games.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
Mac is like, you know, like yelling no confidence in
what's being he's being asked to do. I don't see
that happening this year.

Speaker 3 (01:51:18):
Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with that. But like,
like the Vikings game was probably one of the best
games that they had, and then when it came nutcut
in time, they did nothing in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
And and that's when Mack was like, you know, arms.

Speaker 3 (01:51:31):
The Raiders game was different. They were better in the
second half than the first. I think they onlyly three
points at halftime, and then really largely the second half
was Romadre Stevenson had like a fifty yard run in
like a long touchdown run. But they did enough in
the second half. I think they scored twenty one. I
mean seven of them were Kyle Dugar picked six, but
they scored enough points to win in the second half,

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and then they go up to touchdown drive at the
end of regulation.

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
Markson Everett on the Ace ticket hut line, what's up, mar.

Speaker 13 (01:52:00):
Hey, guys? How are you doing all right?

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
Mark?

Speaker 13 (01:52:04):
So it's like cool the quick comment question food questions
for Paul. But I think we all know that he's
building up the defense, is going to fix the special team.
I don't think Maxon would be our quarterback for the
future just because of what we saw and how he
reacts to things. He can't carry the team in any way.
He doesn't make those trolls when you need it. I

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think we all can see that. I wouldn't you agree.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
If I had to say, I think you're right. I
don't think he I don't think he believes I think
that would. But I don't know what's in Bill's mind
for sure. But if you're asking me this year, yeah,
I think he did build up the defense.

Speaker 13 (01:52:43):
You had to choose, can't pizza or steak and cheese?
Which one would it be?

Speaker 4 (01:52:51):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
The trade? The trade pizza without without without I haven't
had it in a long time, but yeah, the pizza
I love to blow.

Speaker 13 (01:53:00):
Yeah, you guys, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
I love you guys, ever.

Speaker 13 (01:53:05):
I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Thanks Mary, right, thanks, these are my people.

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
You already knew what he's gonna ask me for.

Speaker 8 (01:53:11):
Heyes, and he didn't even say anything like.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
Saw I saw Mark from Everett. I don't know who
Mark is, per se, I probably I probably do know
who he is, but I didn't know which mark that was.
Probably owed your money, but it said Everett and it
was a food question, so I automatically assumed.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
Which.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
There's nine thousand sub places in Everrit.

Speaker 8 (01:53:28):
Yeah, de Blasi says, the one Deblasis was my favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
The spot Ryan Atlanta, besides the Gonzales pick, the booty
pick in round six piques my interests.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
The most they call my.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
Big thing with him is that he and Born are
slightly redundant. So what do you think his role will
be in twenty twenty three? Do you think he gets cut,
gets the Foxborough flute, or potentially pushes KB off the roster?

Speaker 5 (01:53:53):
And this is the biggest stud complaint. I got chocker
about my my Rostert. I cut Butte because of this
because Juju Born Butte really similar players, like all the
three of them are really similar players. So unless Butte
really pushes one of those guys off the roster, out

(01:54:14):
of the rotation in training camp, then how does he
fit into this puzzle? Whereas with the Mario Douglas, he's
got a uniquer skill set. He's got he brings something
to the table that the other guys don't. So at
that point I was like, well, I got to see
it first in training camp from Butte to see if
is he gonna be the old Bote or is he
the new Boute? And if we get to that point

(01:54:36):
in August where he's a stud, then we revisit the conversation.
But until I see that I agree with the email
or that he's a little bit redundant to the other guys.
So can he push Kendrick Bourne out of the rotation
or even off the roster? Well that's a see.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
That was the quot. We had a question the mail
bag this week, just you know, simple, straightforward. You know,
give me a wide receiver corps that that ends up
making the team. And you know, I started, I think
most people will be like, well, there's four obviously, right,
Well for me, there's two obviously. You know, Juju's not
going anywhere and Taekwon Thornton in my mind is not
going anywhere. I can make an argument for the Douglas

(01:55:14):
is in the Booties to like really emerge with strong
springs and summers that they take a step back. And
I know that they don't have anybody that has Parker's
size and skill set, so he would be safer than
born in this scenario. But if Bill really loves these
two kids, I could see an argument where you could
take a born In a Parker and maybe see if

(01:55:36):
you can, you know, get a draft pick for them,
or get someone else's guy that they're going to cut
in a different position that you know, maybe play special
teams and fill it in, you know, for like, I
don't think they are locks. So in other words, I
do think that Booty in Douglas could emerge and make
born In Parker irrelevant. Now, again, no one else on

(01:55:59):
the rosters like Parker in size. I think they like.
So I think that he stays, and if someone were
to go, my money would be on board. I don't
think it's a foregone conclusion. I think all four of
those guys will stay, and then one of those kids
will stay, because I don't think they'll keep six.

Speaker 6 (01:56:16):
No, I just want to see how those guys spark
with mac too, like you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
Know, sixth round picks, right, like you do. We have
to find roster.

Speaker 6 (01:56:23):
Spots for I was just like one of them. I
would just if one of them, one of them should
make it.

Speaker 5 (01:56:28):
Because they have four guys and they carry five, so
one of them should make it. But I just go
back to with Douglas. I know what to Mario Douglas
can bring to the offense in terms of his skill set,
and I know what he's going to where his deficiencies
are that his size and his play strengths are going
to be issues, but he's going to bring some of
that Marcus Jones explosive.

Speaker 13 (01:56:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:56:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:56:53):
I compared him to like Nicole Hardiman, right, you know,
like does he brings that little bit of of nuance
and creativity to his game, whereas with Boute he's like
a traditional receiver and you're gonna have to really have
him push one of those up veterans for a spot.
And I I just I went back with Parker. I
just think that he's unique too.

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
You know, there's no I agree. I would say it's
less of a chance for.

Speaker 5 (01:57:16):
Partly, right, you know, his size and ability to play
the X is unique to the rest of the guys
on the on the on the roster.

Speaker 3 (01:57:24):
So but you also save a little bit of money
there too. And you know the other part, those those
you know, fourth, fifth, and if you wanted to keep six,
those receivers need to have some versatility and play special teams.
I don't really think that that's in the skill set.
And I know Douglas has return ability. I don't think
you want Marcus Jones off of part returns. And Douglas

(01:57:44):
also had a really hard time catching the ball on punts.
He had a lot of fumbles on punt returns. I
don't think that sounds like someone that Bill's gonna say, oh,
we'll keep him because he could be a punt returner
until he proves that he can.

Speaker 5 (01:57:57):
Bet he's definitely more naturally a kick returner, and Marcus
Jones is more naturally a punt returner. So maybe maybe
that you're enlightening.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
I would rather have Marcus Jones doing both.

Speaker 5 (01:58:08):
I'm with you on that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
If I can't get my dugger thing that I've been
wishing to every time and all that ain't happen, don't
tell me to wrap it up, Okay, Okay, we can
wrap it up.

Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
That's gonna wrap it up for this show, Patriots Unfiltered.
We'll be back on Thursday at noon a catch twenty
two following that, uh more availability on Thursday, and of
course the schedulease on Thursday. We'll talk to you then.

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