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Speaker 1 (00:10):
welcome back to the pats peeps podcast.
Where are we at?
282, 282 podcasts and fresh offof the uh, uh bluegrass
experience at the father's DayBluegrass Festival, nevada
County Fairgrounds in GrassValley.
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I get so relaxed up there.
It's one of as I've mentionedbefore several times, it's one
of my very favorite weekends ofthe year.
I get away from all the madness, all the chaos, the madness,
all the chaos, and I say thankyou to the CBA, the California
Bluegrass Association, who do agreat job up there.
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All the wonderful music.
I absolutely love it.
Today is a Monday.
I am very relaxed Now.
I got to get kind of back intosome of this madness.
By the way, I'm the host of thePat Wall Show, kpk Radio in
Sacramento, 93.1 FM, 1530 AM,and as I look out my studio
window into the beautifulfoothills of Northern California
(01:12):
, it's a gorgeous day, it's nottoo hot, it was a nice weekend
all four days at the festival.
The weather could not be moreperfect, and so everything is
great.
And you know how we do it on myshow we always do something a
little different, and today Ithought you know what.
I think we should have myfriend KFBK political analyst,
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gary Dietrich, on with me totalk about a variety of things.
So Gary said you know what?
Yeah, why not?
Let's do a pat's peeps podcastand look at who is here joining
us, ladies and gentlemen, myfriend gary dietrich.
Hello, gary hello patrick.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And this course gives us time to give a lot of
insider pat and gary takes thatwe simply don't have time for on
the broadcast that wayaves.
So we'll have fun.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So let me ask you this, gary, today of all days,
and, by the way, I love it.
First of all, let's give me a.
We'll give a little bit ofinsight here right away.
So, gary and I Gary is aHarvard grad.
He dresses in suits.
He's a nice dresser I considermyself a nice dresser, by the
way, but I'm a cheap me.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Get pat pat hang on the suit thing.
People need to understand.
Oh, dietrich, just like to walkaround in suits.
You went to harvard, thank you.
No, it's because I'm ontelevision, people, if you're
unaware, of course I'm on cbs uh13 in sacramento, part of our
cbs network coverage nationally.
I do things for the network aswell, nationally, uh.
So that's the reason for thesuits.
But pat loves to rib me aboutthe suits.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
That's fine, go ahead this is what amazes me to
anyone who's listening to thispodcast.
After all the years I've knowngary, he does he still doesn't
understand me.
Honestly, I'm going to say that, based on what you just said.
Based on what you just said andI'm being serious you don't
know me as well as you think youdo and I'm, and that's an
honest truth.
Gary, I've never ribbed youabout wearing a suit, never,
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never, ever.
No, no, I have not.
You take it that way, gary.
I mean it with all respect,brother.
You, you're wearing a suit,you're respectful.
Look at, I've seen a lot ofguys wearing freaking hoodies on
tv.
Okay, they're trying to beserious in what they do.
I'm not suggesting you wear asuit every day.
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I'm saying you wear a suitbecause you're a very classy guy
who takes what he does veryseriously.
You would never walk into mystudio wearing cargo shorts and
a hoodie.
You wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
No, you're right about that.
There's a US senator that Iwon't name.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
That is so weird, by the way, that he does that.
So let me say to everyonethat's not what I mean when I
say that, and I'll clear that upwith you.
Gary, never you look sharp.
You're a sharp-dressed dude man.
I've also seen you in.
You know your more casualattire, and that's because Gary
and I, we have been friends forso long.
Let me ask you on this day,gary there are so many serious
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things that you and I could talkabout right now and so many fun
things about you know ourpersonal relationship as friends
over the very many years.
You want to touch a little biton both yeah, that sounds good.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And, by the way, people, when he says a lot of
years, we're talking pat.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I mean it's got to be 20 years seriously 20 years.
More than what 20 years 25?
Gary and I became friends rightabout 1994.
93 or 94 uh, it was right, andwe have a story about this that
hopefully gary will be able toshare.
Uh, before the.
Uh, the in San Diego so manyyears ago, the mayor yeah,
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that's true, you know.
So that goes way back.
We've known each other a longtime.
We've done the Soapbox, derbyand Loomis together.
How fun, these little slices ofAmericana.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, a few people really wanted a thrill.
You would have watched Pat andI racing down the hill in
soapbox plywood cars, but Idon't know some kind of
secondhand motorcycle helmets on.
That probably wouldn't havesaved us anyway, but yeah, we
actually did that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
We did it a couple of times and it was so fun when we
did that.
That just felt like justamericana and gary and I are
both baseball fans.
We're just coming see.
If I were really ribbing garynow I may do that right here.
If I were really ribbing gary,I would bring up things like our
rivalry between the dodgers andgiants.
I believe they just completed athree-game set, gary they did.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It was two one we could get into all into baseball
now.
But of course we got.
We got a really nice player ina trade last night, rafael
Devers from the Boston.
But hey, pat, when it comes tobaseball, remember the game that
you and I went to.
That was very significant.
Didn't we go over to the GiantsStadium in the first baseball
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game after Nope?
What was it?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
9-11 nope, nope, nope .
You want, you want you.
Oh, my god, this proves to methat my memory is mine.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
He will remember this better than me.
What game was that?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
honestly, what it really tells me is I do have a
very good memory.
People tell me that all thetime.
I can remember like it wasyesterday gary, you and I and
I'm still very proud of this wewent to the first football game.
It was a week after 9-11 andthe first okay, the first
sporting event that took placein the nfl at that time, because
all the sports that were thatwere active at that point
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resumed play.
But, gary, you and I went tosee the rams and the 49ers.
We stood on the football fieldand here's a quote from
candlestick park people.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I want you to know.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
That's right.
Terrell Owens dropped severalpasses that day.
The Rams won the game.
But here was the most importantpart of that day, and this was
Gary's quote that I will neverforget in my entire life.
We're standing on the field atCandlestick Park at the game.
Gary says to me—by the way hewas wearing a suit.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He says I was not wearing a suit for.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
God's sake, god's time, I was teasing you.
He says Pat, think about this.
I said what he goes we're onthe same football field as YA
Tittle right now.
We're on the same footballfield.
If my dad knew this, he wouldjust be so proud that we were on
the same football field, as whyhe did it.
Remember that.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, I do.
Now you are recollecting thisfor me, pat.
I do remember how special I wasfor you and, if people don't
know, I grew up over in the BayArea and so my dad used to take
my brother and I to 49er and theStanford games all the time and
my dad had passed, and that wasreally special.
So, yes, that was a cool moment.
(07:48):
If I remember right, pat, notonly did we have field passes I
think we went down to the lockerroom afterwards and the whole
field.
It was quite a day.
It was quite a day.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, it really was.
That was the day that KurtWarner he had a Kurt would wear
these big white, whitewristbands.
And on this day we'reinterviewing kurt warner and he
throws his wristband.
I got a bag down there, uh,where I carry my equipment in,
and kurt warner is wearing a red, white and blue wristband for
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the 9-11 thing, I presume and hethrows the wristband down.
Well, what does it do?
It lands right on my bag.
Accidentally, now I had one.
I could have either said, kurt,your wristband down, well, what
does it do?
It lands right on my bag,accidentally, now I had one.
I could have either said, kurt,your wristband landed in my bag
, or the wristband of myfavorite Super Bowl winning
quarterback is in my bag.
I can just close up my bag withmy equipment.
Which I chose, the latter, so Istill have that wristband, by
the way.
But, gary, you and I, one ofthe things that I love about our
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friendship over the many, manyyears is our trips to spring
training.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh yes, legendary people.
I mean Pat was bugging me for along time.
Gary, you got to come with meto spring training.
I'm like, oh man, I don't know,games don't count, who cares?
Finally I succumbed, and thenthis turned into a multi-year, I
don't know a dozen yearsrunning prior to covid patrick,
and I went every single year andmy only rule was this if I go,
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we always used to go for like aweekend, may, two, couple nights
, whatever.
Uh, we'll get legendary storiestoo about driving down and back
a couple times.
Oh yeah, what a nightmare butanyway, the, um, the, the.
The only rule I had wassingular Singular rule was Pat.
We got to go to one Dodger game, one Giants game.
It cannot be just.
You know, we wander aroundDodger and all that which we did
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, we did every single year andhad a great time.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yes, indeed, yep, dodgers and Glendale, the Giants
and Scottsdale.
You know, here's one thought,too there's so many memories,
gary, between you and I can.
Here's one thought, too, thatthere's so many, uh memories,
gary, between you and I, and I'mjust kind of going off the top
of my head, and I do have acouple of them written down so I
don't forget.
The last thing that I did andthat Gary did I can speak for
Gary the last thing that he andI did before COVID kicked in in
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2020.
We were at, we were in thespring training in Scottsdale
and we were at this bar watchingthis fight between James Wilder
and it was the Fury Wilderfight on the biggest television
wall I've ever seen in my lifeand we were having the best.
We were having the time of ourlives, you know.
And the next thing, you know,we come home, and you remember
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that, gary.
We come home and suddenly I canremember my boss, bill White,
coming to me and asking about doyou know about flattening the
curve?
And I said what?
What are you talking about,flattening the curve?
And he grabs me Well, you'reabout to learn Takes me over to
my desk, pulls up the computerand here's this thing about
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flattening the curve, which Idon't think.
I've even heard that expressionsince like early 2020.
But if you recall, that was thelast thing we did, gary, and
the biggest news story at thattime on all the channels whether
it was sports or non-sportschannels, talk radio or TV the
biggest story that was going onright at the moment that covid
(11:06):
broke was the houston astroscheating against the dodgers in
the world series, gary and Iknow this story, I know where
this story is going.
Yeah, I know very well.
Gary and I are sitting atscottsdale and I think we were
watching the the giants and thedodgers or the giants, maybe in
the a's, I don't remember, butwe see.
But I think it was the dodgersand the Dodgers or the Giants,
(11:27):
maybe in the A's, I don'tremember, but I think it was the
Dodgers and the Giants, becauseI was sitting amongst all these
Dodger fans and we see a guywearing an orange Houston Astros
jersey.
I said Gary, here, take somevideo of this.
And I walked down there with myDodger gear on and started
banging on the trash can likethe Astros were doing the cheat
and a whole.
When you can still see this onvideo, the whole Dodger
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contingent there in the stands,well and beyond.
We're all laughing at that.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Even the Giants fans thought that was funny now, pat,
I have to translate this foryou non-hardcore baseball fans.
Pat, of course, assumes thatyou know.
The reason why that was sohilarious and why Pat was
literally incensed and insistedon doing this, making a
spectacle of himself, was thefact that the Houston Astros had
reportedly cheated in theirWorld Series against his beloved
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Dodgers, and part of thatcheating was banging a trash can
to indicate, right, pat, thepitches that were going to be
served up to the Houston hittersby the Dodgers pitchers.
So, folks, that's the contextof it.
Pat got his comeuppance, madesure that everybody in our half
of the stadium heard that trashcan banging going on and, yes,
(12:43):
the Dodger fans did love andappreciate it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Well, we were having so much fun.
Even the Giants fans werelaughing because you know, heck,
none of us liked you.
We don't like cheaters.
We might like.
We might love our rivalry.
We might not like the otherteam, gary, but we love the
rivalry.
It's the best rivalry in myopinion, that the Dodgers and
the Giants, the best you cangive me.
Yankees and Red Sox, whatever.
I'm sure some people would saythat, but we can both root
(13:08):
against cheaters.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh yeah.
You and I were lockstep,especially when they fessed up
in Houston and of course managergot fired and all this stuff.
But especially when players andmanagement fessed up.
Yeah, we cheated.
Pat and I were like 110% Infact.
To this day I've always saidnot enough was done about that.
But that's a whole differentconversation.
Yeah, so yes legendary stuffdown in the desert.
(13:32):
We could go on and on.
Pat, I got to throw in becauseyou and I still refer to this.
We have to throw in our driveinto the desert to the legendary
Pinnacle Peak Steakhouse.
I don't even know who to say.
You may remember who broughtthis up.
Pat and I are in a convertibledriving out of the desert in the
dark of the night Big full moonup there.
Hey, pat, I can't remember ifit was you or me Did you hear
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that people want to actually putadvertising on the moon?
What, yeah, advertising on themoon.
Man, like with thishigh-powered laser and the first
one's going to be Rolling Rock,wants to put their logo on the
moon.
And Pat and I ended up having aserious conversation, believe
it or not, folks, whether wethought that was a good idea or
(14:16):
not.
Come on, pat.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Sure we did.
Yeah, absolutely, you'retalking about a slippery slope.
I mean we're like, okay, what'snext?
So, Harley, what is it?
Is the moon going to be like abig, like coca-cola cap or what
you know?
If one can do it, everyone'sgoing to be trying to put.
I can't believe they'reactually going to do something
like that.
We bought into it hook, lineand sinker, not realizing that
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here we are, um, right at thebeginning of april, the very end
of spring training, and whathappens at the beginning of
april was, I don't know, aprilfools, which I fell for yeah,
and my, my biggest fear was theyturned it into a big squeezable
roll of Charmin.
You know what I mean.
Let me tell you.
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I'll set the scene for this.
So Gary and I we'd have so muchfun.
We would rent a car, be like aconvertible Mustang Camaro,
whatever.
We'd be driving out in thedesert, twilight.
Okay, there's just somethingabout that Driving in the desert
at twilight in a convertible,listening to good music, going
to a good place.
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We went to a couple of places.
One was Pinnacle Peak, which isnow gone, and one of the things
that we did there I'll let themtell you.
You tell them about the otherplace, greasewood.
But we'd go to there.
We would have the best time.
Red and white, checkeredtablecloths.
They used to have one inSacramento.
They'd cut your tie off.
If you were wearing a tie,they'd hang it from the ceiling.
It was like their big tradition.
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Gary will tell you about theentryway, but when you go in
there, gary would tell me abouthis time growing up in Kansas,
which I was fascinated by, andthe old cow pond that you guys
would play in.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
The cow pond I'll never forget that yeah, fish and
swim in the cow pond To thisday.
I can't believe you do that.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
See, I remember all of that, one of our great
traditions.
So the other thing that theywould do there was a tradition
of pinnacle peak is they wouldhave people would put their
business cards all over thewalls in this place.
They'd staple it to the walls,some of these cards people were
talking tens of thousands.
Yeah, that's how many were andand had been there for decades,
right, gary oh yeah, some ofthem were yellowed.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
you could barely read the stuff on them.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, so after we'd order our big old steak and we'd
order our pitcher of beer, we'deach secretly go grab a number
from one of these cards, okay,and we grab the name and we go
back to the table and call thenumber to see if the people
would answer and, if they didanswer, whether or not they
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remember going to Pinnacle Peakand leaving their card on the
wall.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, this is the precursor to carpool karaoke.
It was business cards.
Nobody carries business cards,charlie, but it was business
card random dialing.
Yeah, that's what it was.
And some of these cards, I meanpeople are like what what?
Oh yeah, henry did, we Was.
And some of these cars you meanpeople are like what, what?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh, yeah, henry, was it 18 years ago when you were in
Saskillan.
We call this one lady.
She says oh my God, how longago was that honey?
Oh, I don't know.
And she goes that was like 30years ago or 20 years ago or
whatever.
And so Gary and I are tellingher oh man, there's this place
that we like.
It's called Greasewood Flat.
First of all we couldn'tbelieve we got the people.
They couldn't believe that wecalled them.
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They thought it was just asfunny as we thought.
So they played along with usand we had a great time.
And it turns out she was like areal estate lady and she ends
up telling us about a placecalled the Buffalo Chip Saloon.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Gary, yes, the About a place called the Buffalo Chip
Saloon, Gary, yes, the rest ishistory.
The Buffalo Chip Saloon, whichwas nearby.
I mean people were talking outin the middle of nowhere.
We say we drove out in thedesert.
I mean we drove out Cave.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Creek Anybody?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
knows where it was, Wasn't that in Freedom Arizona?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Was it Freedom or Cave Creek, one of those places?
Maybe it was Freedom.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
See at Greasewood Flats, right near Pinnacle, but
further on, was the Buffalo Chip, which in this place was
amazing.
You just went down this kind ofbuffet line thing and they had
all this food and tri-chip.
You just put your plate on thescale and they chugged it.
But my favorite part about itwas and we never did this
because I valued my life toomuch and I don't know if Pat
didn't care and that way youcould literally put your name on
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a clipboard to ride bulls intheir little mini arena, oh yeah
.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You could do that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, that's right, just put your name down a
clipboard.
Yeah, we'll get you, yeah, andthen you pay your 10 bucks or
whatever you could get on a bull.
I had an idea about doing that.
Then no, I can't.
But yeah, that was a Buffalochip, but I think subsequently
burned down.
Probably was some guy thatactually broke both legs on a
bull, burned it down.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Oh no, it burned down , the burned the buff wood ship,
it might have rebuilt it.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't want people that know that area probably
know if it's back up.
Anyway, back in the day thatwas, we had a lot of stops in
the desert and thankfully weactually were able to.
Well, one person was able toget up the next morning early
and hike to the top ofSaddleback Peak in Scottsdale,
and I'll let you all out thereguess who that of the duo was.
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And the other one slept in.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah right, and then got up, smoked his cigars on the
balcony while somebody who didhike to the top of Saddleback
came back with large StarbucksJavas and the gentleman smoking
a cigar was forever grateful.
Put it as your V.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's right, and we'd go to the pancake house
right there.
The original pancake house theyhad a sign in there that said
only speak English.
If you worked here, rememberthat sign Only speak English.
This wasn't out front.
That sign You're to only speakEnglish.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
This wasn't out front , but I don't think in Arizona
they cared whether you thoughtit was out front or not.
But yeah, you'd walk back tothe restrooms and they had, you
know, they had little employeebillboards, so you'd go back
there and they got all thesafety notices required or
whatever.
And then there was one up thereand it said I don't know, pat,
you may remember the languagebetter, but basically only
English is spoken by employeesin this establishment.
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That's it An English onlyestablishment?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, and the next time we were there, we found out
that he, the owner or themanager, curses a lot in English
at his employees.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
We were kind of shocked by the way.
Pinnacle Peak was so coolbecause Pat mentioned the
entrance.
They had all these framed blackand white photos.
It was amazing the people thatwent in there.
Pat, if I remember right,president Bush had been in there
.
President Bush Sr.
A whole bunch of celebrities,sports people, Willie Mays.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Willie Nelson, I remember them.
Yeah, all kinds of peopleRattlesnakes in there.
They had a live band inRattlesn.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, yeah, they had.
You know, for the kids.
You know it's that.
If you For the kids, yeah forthe kids.
And instead of you know, Ialways had this vision of a kid
taking a little piece ofhamburger, dangling it over
there Because instead of havinglike aquariums with fish in them
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, they had rattlers in there.
They had a whole bunch ofrattlesnakes in these aquariums.
You'd walk in like what in theworld?
And you just envision a kid hey, mom, I want to feed a rattler.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, we never tried, I was tempted to throw a chunk
of steak in there, but I neverdid.
This is gary dietrich joiningme on pat's podcast 282.
One of the other places, gary,was greasewood flats.
We used to find out and this isout there by pinnacle peak,
just down the road, so afterwe'd eat our steak you could go
down there.
They'd have great music playing.
You could throw horseshoes.
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You could drink beer out therewe're at could throw horseshoes.
You could drink beer out thereat night throwing horseshoes.
I mean, I loved that place andthat's now condos, I believe
yeah, and unfortunately, I meanthe place had real ambiance.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
You'd walk in and they had the obligatory uh, they
had to sign over redneck windchimes, some aluminum beer cans
on strings, the redneck windchimes they had, uh, they had
caution rattlers on one of thesebig wooden boxes big, you know,
like the old road winner thing.
Look at me, you know, cautionrattlers.
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You open it up, there's a bunchof baby rattles inside there
and all, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It was legendary we're talking to garyrich,
political analyst KFBK, who, bythe way, gary, you're going to
be joining me on my showbeginning tomorrow night.
Tuesday night You're going tobe a regular feature on my show
for as long as you want to be,as long as we're going to be
doing that, as long as the suncontinues to rise and set the
desert.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
This is fun because a lot offolks have heard me, of course,
on your show, pat, and of courseI do a regular hit with Kitty
on Tuesday afternoons onAfternoon Drive and on Thursday
mornings with Christina, nowwith Sam Shane and his new show,
the Shane Reaction, onWednesday afternoons.
But, friends those of you thatcannot get enough of Pat and
Gary, every Tuesday evening I'mgoing to be on with Pat.
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So I'm really looking forwardto that, both for more of the
kind of shenanigans storieswe're talking about, which I
know you folks love and tell usthat all the time, but also for
serious things.
I mean Pat and I do have notonly the capability but the
interest.
I know there's a lot of thingsPat's not.
You know he's not into politics, but the truth of it is the guy
cares about a lot of reallyserious and sincere things and I
(23:24):
really appreciate that about myfriend Pat.
So we'll be hitting both and soyou should tune in Tuesday
night to start a Pat show atseven o'clock and I'll look
forward to being with you, pat.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, and for anyone who's listening and I appreciate
you saying that, gary, listen,I am into politics.
I choose to, unless I'm reallypeeved that day and it needs to
be talked about.
Usually I'm trying to goanother direction because I know
you've heard it all, but thereare times and Gary knows this
like Gary, I'm going off on thistonight.
(23:55):
Listen, I've put enough, I'veshown enough restraint.
I need to discuss this tonight,speaking of politics and a
couple of minutes here.
I want to get into a couple ofthings that are happening with
you, with politics today, gary,and get your take.
This is also one thing I wantto say to everyone about my
buddy, gary Dietrich.
He gave me a compliment.
Now it's time for yourcompliment.
(24:16):
I don't care what is going onin this world, what the
political landscape is lookinglike on that particular day,
that given week or month or whathave it year, what have you.
Gary always is neutral.
He's not here to appease oneparty or to be a part of their
agenda on either side, and thatis why I appreciate.
(24:38):
One of the many big reasonsthat I appreciate you, gary, is
that you find that neutralityand most people appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You know, I do appreciate saying that, pat.
You know, it's here's what Ihear from people that it's
almost impossible for them.
I hear this all the time.
People come up and say you know, gary, I, you know, I, I, this
is my leaning on this way orthat way, but he goes, but he or
she says, you know, but what Ireally appreciate is the fact
that you're able to tell like itis I mean both sides, because I
, because what they'll say to me, pat, I can't find that
(25:11):
anywhere these days and that'sas you know, that's what I try
to do and I don't play gamesabout it.
I honestly say look, okay,here's, here's both sides of
this, and I don't try tomanipulate people into thinking
the way I do about everything.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Exactly right, and that's why I appreciate you.
That's and I hear that commentabout you all the time, all the
time, and it's very refreshingbecause it's really one of the
only places that I find it gary,so I applaud you for that.
Before we get to our littlelightning round and then the
politics of the day how did garyand I meet?
Now, do you want to share thatstory, or should I?
Should, I see?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
first of all, you go ahead because, yeah, you have
such a vivid recollection of itand I was already doing tv and
stuff in those days.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
But this is a great story now I, so you jump in when
, anywhere you want.
This was like 1994.
What was when?
Was the uh, the republicanconvention?
Was that 95, not leading into96.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
That would have been, I think, 90.
I think you were thinking thatwould have probably been in 92,
or maybe it was the 96convention.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, because I didn't start at the radio
station until 93, so it had tobe the next one.
So this would have been like 95, maybe right Somewhere in there
.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So leading up to the 96 election, right.
And so, yeah, I'm a producerfor the morning show for this
gentleman who we'll talk about alittle bit more in a second.
But you know it's it'spolitical season.
I'm a producer, I'm trying todo my job for a morning show for
the Jeff Katz show.
It's KST in Sacramento, and sowe have this boss, pat Pat.
(26:48):
His name is Ken Cole.
I'm just going to say itoutright Ken, I wish you the
best.
All right, a real radio guy whoknew his stuff about radio.
Did we agree all the time?
The answer would be hell.
No, we didn't.
That's me and Ken.
Now you guys, whatever, but I'mjust saying, but he did have a
(27:08):
bad.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Ken's a true blue radio guy.
He always treated me withrespect and always liked my
stuff, as you know, and althoughyou're going to hear a little
caveat here, Pat's going to tellyou about, but no, so good
times with Ken, and you knowanyway.
Well, that's it where it is.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I mean Ken would do this demeaning voice to me.
And now it's so funny becauseGary does it so well.
Ryan Harris is a master at thisvoice.
I must hear it, and I'm notexaggerating, I bet I hear it
500 times when he goes on thesetrips with us to Italy or
Ireland.
Pat, pat, he'd be like Pat, pat,can you come into my office,
(27:47):
pat?
Let me ask you Pat One time asa Pat Pat, can you come into my
office?
Pat?
Let me ask you Pat One time.
As a matter of fact.
Now I'm getting off track.
He says to me Pat, can you comein my office?
I go oh okay, now I'm working asplit shift, I'm working my
butt off as the sports guy.
Before my show I come in theoffice and he says he sits me
down.
He says to me Gary knows this,pat, your ego is getting out of
(28:10):
control.
Now I'm like the most humbleguy in the world.
I'm like what?
And Pat, I want you tounderstand Kitty and Tom are the
stars and Pat, pat, you'llnever be in anything more than a
blurb twice an hour.
That's all you are and that'sall you'll ever be.
So I told that story on my showand now everyone calls my show.
(28:30):
Most people that know me go Pat, including my friend Gary.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
That's right.
That's legendary, as anybodywho knows who's listened to KFH
Curator for any length of time.
There are legendary storiesabout Ken Cole.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
No doubt about that.
So to tie it into this, I findout about gary.
I didn't even know gary was, Ididn't know.
Maybe I saw him on tv, I don'treally recall.
Must have been on tv, gary, ifyou were doing tv and I looked
up and saw you probably wasthere and I said, well, let me
try to get this guy on to talkpolitics with my morning guy
here.
So I call up gary go.
Hey, man, my name is Pat Welsh,I'm a KSTE, I'm a producer and
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would you like to come on aradio show?
And Gary's like, yeah, sure.
So Gary comes.
Gary comes on Now in radio.
You have a.
You have a phone line.
If people need to call you forwhatever reason, you have a warm
line which is you're like yourlittle inside source for your
buddies and people that need tokind of know your contacts and
they need to get ahold of youand they don't want to go to the
main line.
(29:31):
And then you have the hotlinewhere the boss is going to bitch
and moan, All right, and thenthat's a red one.
So Gary comes on.
He does this thing with ourmorning show guy, Jeff Katz.
When Gary finishes, the redlight comes on.
I'm like, oh crap, Now what?
I pick up the phone and it'sPat, Pat, Pat, who is that?
Who is that on the air you justhad?
(29:52):
And I go.
His name is Gary Dietrich.
He's a political analyst.
He says, Pat, don't ever havehim on the air again, Ever have
him on again.
I go.
Okay, thanks, Ken.
I hang up the phone.
I dial up Ring.
Hello, hey, Gary.
Hey, this is Pat.
Great job this morning.
(30:13):
Would you like to be on againtomorrow morning?
Gary's like oh sure, I'm gladyou liked it.
So the next morning swear toyou.
Right, Gary, you can attest tothis.
The next morning Gary comesback on, does his thing with
Jeff.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
The hotline people that don't remember jeff catch.
We won't go the whole story now, we'll save that for another
time, but jeff really liked metoo.
We are oil and water in so manydifferent ways, yes, but jeff
loved having me on and playingthe straight man with him.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yes, that's exactly right.
So when, when you're done withjeff and the interview, uh, the,
the hotline rings again, pat,and I'm like, oh, here it comes,
I'm either going to get firedor yell that for sure.
And he says to me who was thaton the air just now?
I go, that was Gary Dietrich, apolitical analyst.
(31:05):
He goes.
Now that guy you can have on,that guy was good, now you can
have him on again I said oh okay, thank you, thank you, boss you
the man so that's a true story.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
After that is a true story.
That is how it all started that.
We probably don't have time.
We will get into the legendarystories about that san diego
convention yeah, I know, I knowI We'll do that another time.
So, friends, as we say in thebusiness, nice tea.
You're going to need to betuning in on Tuesday nights, and
I'm all with that, becauseagain we will talk politics.
But you are going to heartruckloads of these kind of fun
(31:41):
vignettes about Pat's and myhistory which we usually just
don't have time to share.
But now that I'm on with Patregularly, we will.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
All right, you ready for your turbo lightning round
with Gary Dietrich?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Well, I guess so, because it sounds like it's
coming into it.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I say it.
I'll either say a couple ofwords and you react.
I'll play or say something andyou react.
Fair enough, Got it All right.
We're going to start here.
All right, this is Too Fat toFly.
There ain't no wings on apachyderm.
You're too fat to fly.
There ain't no wings on abarnyard pig.
(32:16):
You're too fat to fly.
Any reaction to this?
Gary, there ain't no wings onyour big ass and there ain't no
one to ride.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay, friends, this was a regular feature on the
drive to and from or in thedesert was this song.
We will another time tell you alot more about it.
But this became Pat.
Is this fair to say?
This is pretty much the springtraining anthem for Pat here.
That's pretty much it.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
All right, let's go to two words.
The bus tires need extra air.
You're too fat to fly.
All right, let's go to twowords.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Turbo Lizard.
Oh boy, oh my God.
Pat absolutely loves this story.
I'm just going to tease this.
We don't have time to go intoit.
I'm going to tease it.
Friends, there was somebody whowas an actual congressional
candidate in the Sacramentoregion who changed his name to
Ted Turbo Lizard.
Pat loves this story.
It's very telling about modernpolitics.
(33:18):
I'm saving the details foranother time, but, believe it or
not, the guy literally had.
You know the signs you see upalong the side of the road.
There were Turbo Lizard forCongress signs up on the road.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
No joke, all right, this final thing you are going
to have to explain.
I remember all of our drives,all of our rides, all of our
times together, all of ourconversations, enjoying each
other's company, going to seebaseball, taking long rides, and
one day, we're driving in aconvertible, we are getting
ready to go.
We're headed in a convertible,we're getting ready to go, we're
(33:51):
headed.
On a sunny morning, we wereheaded towards the grapevine,
coming from Arizona, filled withbaseball memories and Camelback
Mountain triumphs, meetingMaury Wills and Glendale.
And Gary tells me this storythat I will never forget, and
(34:12):
when he's on my show, I don'tforget about his brother.
Would you like to share or sayhi or remember?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, oh.
I had to take a deep breathwhen I first heard the first few
notes of that coming.
All right, folks, I'm just.
This is a vulnerable moment forGary D.
You've never heard me say.
I get choked up every time Ihear this U2 song when the
Streets have no Name.
Why is that?
Because when I was starting mygraduate school at Harvard's
Kennedy School of Government, mybrother was in an auto accident
(34:42):
, in a coma for four months andpassed away just before the end
of my first semester.
And this song, which manypeople believe, has its roots in
a song about heaven where thestreets have no name.
It always reminds me of my dearbrother who, by the way, was
born with a congenital heartdefect and had significant
(35:02):
challenges and disabilitiesthroughout his entire life and
miraculously, when they said helived age two, lived age 37,.
He continues to this day to beone of my most powerful
inspirations for the work that Ido to hopefully make the world
a better place, particularly forthe vulnerable.
So it's in honor of my brother,lynn Neal Dietrich, that this
(35:27):
song plays on Pat's show.
Now you'll know it's goingforward nearly every time I'm on
and one of Pat's bumper musicwill pull this up and thank you,
pat, appreciate it, brother.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Love you, brother.
Thank you, appreciate you.
Thanks for being my friend.
Thanks for coming on my podcast, all right.
See you on Tuesday night, garyDietrich.
That's Peeps 282.
I mean, thank you so much forlistening.
(36:02):
I'm still building them,burning down love, burning down
love, and when I come back,
welcome back to the pats peeps podcast.
Where are we at?
282, 282 podcasts and fresh offof the uh, uh bluegrass
experience at the father's DayBluegrass Festival, nevada
County Fairgrounds in GrassValley.
(00:31):
I get so relaxed up there.
It's one of as I've mentionedbefore several times, it's one
of my very favorite weekends ofthe year.
I get away from all the madness, all the chaos, the madness,
all the chaos, and I say thankyou to the CBA, the California
Bluegrass Association, who do agreat job up there.
(00:51):
All the wonderful music.
I absolutely love it.
Today is a Monday.
I am very relaxed Now.
I got to get kind of back intosome of this madness.
By the way, I'm the host of thePat Wall Show, kpk Radio in
Sacramento, 93.1 FM, 1530 AM,and as I look out my studio
window into the beautifulfoothills of Northern California
(01:12):
, it's a gorgeous day, it's nottoo hot, it was a nice weekend
all four days at the festival.
The weather could not be moreperfect, and so everything is
great.
And you know how we do it on myshow we always do something a
little different, and today Ithought you know what.
I think we should have myfriend KFBK political analyst,
(01:36):
gary Dietrich, on with me totalk about a variety of things.
So Gary said you know what?
Yeah, why not?
Let's do a pat's peeps podcastand look at who is here joining
us, ladies and gentlemen, myfriend gary dietrich.
Hello, gary hello patrick.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And this course gives us time to give a lot of
insider pat and gary takes thatwe simply don't have time for on
the broadcast that wayaves.
So we'll have fun.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So let me ask you this, gary, today of all days,
and, by the way, I love it.
First of all, let's give me a.
We'll give a little bit ofinsight here right away.
So, gary and I Gary is aHarvard grad.
He dresses in suits.
He's a nice dresser I considermyself a nice dresser, by the
way, but I'm a cheap me.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Get pat pat hang on the suit thing.
People need to understand.
Oh, dietrich, just like to walkaround in suits.
You went to harvard, thank you.
No, it's because I'm ontelevision, people, if you're
unaware, of course I'm on cbs uh13 in sacramento, part of our
cbs network coverage nationally.
I do things for the network aswell, nationally, uh.
So that's the reason for thesuits.
But pat loves to rib me aboutthe suits.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
That's fine, go ahead this is what amazes me to
anyone who's listening to thispodcast.
After all the years I've knowngary, he does he still doesn't
understand me.
Honestly, I'm going to say that, based on what you just said.
Based on what you just said andI'm being serious you don't
know me as well as you think youdo and I'm, and that's an
honest truth.
Gary, I've never ribbed youabout wearing a suit, never,
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never, ever.
No, no, I have not.
You take it that way, gary.
I mean it with all respect,brother.
You, you're wearing a suit,you're respectful.
Look at, I've seen a lot ofguys wearing freaking hoodies on
tv.
Okay, they're trying to beserious in what they do.
I'm not suggesting you wear asuit every day.
(03:26):
I'm saying you wear a suitbecause you're a very classy guy
who takes what he does veryseriously.
You would never walk into mystudio wearing cargo shorts and
a hoodie.
You wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
No, you're right about that.
There's a US senator that Iwon't name.
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
That is so weird, by the way, that he does that.
So let me say to everyonethat's not what I mean when I
say that, and I'll clear that upwith you.
Gary, never you look sharp.
You're a sharp-dressed dude man.
I've also seen you in.
You know your more casualattire, and that's because Gary
and I, we have been friends forso long.
Let me ask you on this day,gary there are so many serious
(04:09):
things that you and I could talkabout right now and so many fun
things about you know ourpersonal relationship as friends
over the very many years.
You want to touch a little biton both yeah, that sounds good.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And, by the way, people, when he says a lot of
years, we're talking pat.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I mean it's got to be 20 years seriously 20 years.
More than what 20 years 25?
Gary and I became friends rightabout 1994.
93 or 94 uh, it was right, andwe have a story about this that
hopefully gary will be able toshare.
Uh, before the.
Uh, the in San Diego so manyyears ago, the mayor yeah,
(04:51):
that's true, you know.
So that goes way back.
We've known each other a longtime.
We've done the Soapbox, derbyand Loomis together.
How fun, these little slices ofAmericana.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, a few people really wanted a thrill.
You would have watched Pat andI racing down the hill in
soapbox plywood cars, but Idon't know some kind of
secondhand motorcycle helmets on.
That probably wouldn't havesaved us anyway, but yeah, we
actually did that.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
We did it a couple of times and it was so fun when we
did that.
That just felt like justamericana and gary and I are
both baseball fans.
We're just coming see.
If I were really ribbing garynow I may do that right here.
If I were really ribbing gary,I would bring up things like our
rivalry between the dodgers andgiants.
I believe they just completed athree-game set, gary they did.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It was two one we could get into all into baseball
now.
But of course we got.
We got a really nice player ina trade last night, rafael
Devers from the Boston.
But hey, pat, when it comes tobaseball, remember the game that
you and I went to.
That was very significant.
Didn't we go over to the GiantsStadium in the first baseball
(06:01):
game after Nope?
What was it?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
9-11 nope, nope, nope .
You want, you want you.
Oh, my god, this proves to methat my memory is mine.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
He will remember this better than me.
What game was that?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
honestly, what it really tells me is I do have a
very good memory.
People tell me that all thetime.
I can remember like it wasyesterday gary, you and I and
I'm still very proud of this wewent to the first football game.
It was a week after 9-11 andthe first okay, the first
sporting event that took placein the nfl at that time, because
all the sports that were thatwere active at that point
(06:35):
resumed play.
But, gary, you and I went tosee the rams and the 49ers.
We stood on the football fieldand here's a quote from
candlestick park people.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I want you to know.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
That's right.
Terrell Owens dropped severalpasses that day.
The Rams won the game.
But here was the most importantpart of that day, and this was
Gary's quote that I will neverforget in my entire life.
We're standing on the field atCandlestick Park at the game.
Gary says to me—by the way hewas wearing a suit.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He says I was not wearing a suit for.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
God's sake, god's time, I was teasing you.
He says Pat, think about this.
I said what he goes we're onthe same football field as YA
Tittle right now.
We're on the same footballfield.
If my dad knew this, he wouldjust be so proud that we were on
the same football field, as whyhe did it.
Remember that.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, I do.
Now you are recollecting thisfor me, pat.
I do remember how special I wasfor you and, if people don't
know, I grew up over in the BayArea and so my dad used to take
my brother and I to 49er and theStanford games all the time and
my dad had passed, and that wasreally special.
So, yes, that was a cool moment.
(07:48):
If I remember right, pat, notonly did we have field passes I
think we went down to the lockerroom afterwards and the whole
field.
It was quite a day.
It was quite a day.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, it really was.
That was the day that KurtWarner he had a Kurt would wear
these big white, whitewristbands.
And on this day we'reinterviewing kurt warner and he
throws his wristband.
I got a bag down there, uh,where I carry my equipment in,
and kurt warner is wearing a red, white and blue wristband for
(08:18):
the 9-11 thing, I presume and hethrows the wristband down.
Well, what does it do?
It lands right on my bag.
Accidentally, now I had one.
I could have either said, kurt,your wristband down, well, what
does it do?
It lands right on my bag,accidentally, now I had one.
I could have either said, kurt,your wristband landed in my bag
, or the wristband of myfavorite Super Bowl winning
quarterback is in my bag.
I can just close up my bag withmy equipment.
Which I chose, the latter, so Istill have that wristband, by
the way.
But, gary, you and I, one ofthe things that I love about our
(08:43):
friendship over the many, manyyears is our trips to spring
training.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh yes, legendary people.
I mean Pat was bugging me for along time.
Gary, you got to come with meto spring training.
I'm like, oh man, I don't know,games don't count, who cares?
Finally I succumbed, and thenthis turned into a multi-year, I
don't know a dozen yearsrunning prior to covid patrick,
and I went every single year andmy only rule was this if I go,
(09:11):
we always used to go for like aweekend, may, two, couple nights
, whatever.
Uh, we'll get legendary storiestoo about driving down and back
a couple times.
Oh yeah, what a nightmare butanyway, the, um, the, the.
The only rule I had wassingular Singular rule was Pat.
We got to go to one Dodger game, one Giants game.
It cannot be just.
You know, we wander aroundDodger and all that which we did
(09:32):
, we did every single year andhad a great time.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yes, indeed, yep, dodgers and Glendale, the Giants
and Scottsdale.
You know, here's one thought,too there's so many memories,
gary, between you and I can.
Here's one thought, too, thatthere's so many, uh memories,
gary, between you and I, and I'mjust kind of going off the top
of my head, and I do have acouple of them written down so I
don't forget.
The last thing that I did andthat Gary did I can speak for
Gary the last thing that he andI did before COVID kicked in in
(10:00):
2020.
We were at, we were in thespring training in Scottsdale
and we were at this bar watchingthis fight between James Wilder
and it was the Fury Wilderfight on the biggest television
wall I've ever seen in my lifeand we were having the best.
We were having the time of ourlives, you know.
And the next thing, you know,we come home, and you remember
(10:23):
that, gary.
We come home and suddenly I canremember my boss, bill White,
coming to me and asking about doyou know about flattening the
curve?
And I said what?
What are you talking about,flattening the curve?
And he grabs me Well, you'reabout to learn Takes me over to
my desk, pulls up the computerand here's this thing about
(10:44):
flattening the curve, which Idon't think.
I've even heard that expressionsince like early 2020.
But if you recall, that was thelast thing we did, gary, and
the biggest news story at thattime on all the channels whether
it was sports or non-sportschannels, talk radio or TV the
biggest story that was going onright at the moment that covid
(11:06):
broke was the houston astroscheating against the dodgers in
the world series, gary and Iknow this story, I know where
this story is going.
Yeah, I know very well.
Gary and I are sitting atscottsdale and I think we were
watching the the giants and thedodgers or the giants, maybe in
the a's, I don't remember, butwe see.
But I think it was the dodgersand the Dodgers or the Giants,
(11:27):
maybe in the A's, I don'tremember, but I think it was the
Dodgers and the Giants, becauseI was sitting amongst all these
Dodger fans and we see a guywearing an orange Houston Astros
jersey.
I said Gary, here, take somevideo of this.
And I walked down there with myDodger gear on and started
banging on the trash can likethe Astros were doing the cheat
and a whole.
When you can still see this onvideo, the whole Dodger
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contingent there in the stands,well and beyond.
We're all laughing at that.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Even the Giants fans thought that was funny now, pat,
I have to translate this foryou non-hardcore baseball fans.
Pat, of course, assumes thatyou know.
The reason why that was sohilarious and why Pat was
literally incensed and insistedon doing this, making a
spectacle of himself, was thefact that the Houston Astros had
reportedly cheated in theirWorld Series against his beloved
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Dodgers, and part of thatcheating was banging a trash can
to indicate, right, pat, thepitches that were going to be
served up to the Houston hittersby the Dodgers pitchers.
So, folks, that's the contextof it.
Pat got his comeuppance, madesure that everybody in our half
of the stadium heard that trashcan banging going on and, yes,
(12:43):
the Dodger fans did love andappreciate it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Well, we were having so much fun.
Even the Giants fans werelaughing because you know, heck,
none of us liked you.
We don't like cheaters.
We might like.
We might love our rivalry.
We might not like the otherteam, gary, but we love the
rivalry.
It's the best rivalry in myopinion, that the Dodgers and
the Giants, the best you cangive me.
Yankees and Red Sox, whatever.
I'm sure some people would saythat, but we can both root
(13:08):
against cheaters.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh yeah.
You and I were lockstep,especially when they fessed up
in Houston and of course managergot fired and all this stuff.
But especially when players andmanagement fessed up.
Yeah, we cheated.
Pat and I were like 110% Infact.
To this day I've always saidnot enough was done about that.
But that's a whole differentconversation.
Yeah, so yes legendary stuffdown in the desert.
(13:32):
We could go on and on.
Pat, I got to throw in becauseyou and I still refer to this.
We have to throw in our driveinto the desert to the legendary
Pinnacle Peak Steakhouse.
I don't even know who to say.
You may remember who broughtthis up.
Pat and I are in a convertibledriving out of the desert in the
dark of the night Big full moonup there.
Hey, pat, I can't remember ifit was you or me Did you hear
(13:55):
that people want to actually putadvertising on the moon?
What, yeah, advertising on themoon.
Man, like with thishigh-powered laser and the first
one's going to be Rolling Rock,wants to put their logo on the
moon.
And Pat and I ended up having aserious conversation, believe
it or not, folks, whether wethought that was a good idea or
(14:16):
not.
Come on, pat.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Sure we did.
Yeah, absolutely, you'retalking about a slippery slope.
I mean we're like, okay, what'snext?
So, Harley, what is it?
Is the moon going to be like abig, like coca-cola cap or what
you know?
If one can do it, everyone'sgoing to be trying to put.
I can't believe they'reactually going to do something
like that.
We bought into it hook, lineand sinker, not realizing that
(14:40):
here we are, um, right at thebeginning of april, the very end
of spring training, and whathappens at the beginning of
april was, I don't know, aprilfools, which I fell for yeah,
and my, my biggest fear was theyturned it into a big squeezable
roll of Charmin.
You know what I mean.
Let me tell you.
(15:02):
I'll set the scene for this.
So Gary and I we'd have so muchfun.
We would rent a car, be like aconvertible Mustang Camaro,
whatever.
We'd be driving out in thedesert, twilight.
Okay, there's just somethingabout that Driving in the desert
at twilight in a convertible,listening to good music, going
to a good place.
(15:23):
We went to a couple of places.
One was Pinnacle Peak, which isnow gone, and one of the things
that we did there I'll let themtell you.
You tell them about the otherplace, greasewood.
But we'd go to there.
We would have the best time.
Red and white, checkeredtablecloths.
They used to have one inSacramento.
They'd cut your tie off.
If you were wearing a tie,they'd hang it from the ceiling.
It was like their big tradition.
(15:44):
Gary will tell you about theentryway, but when you go in
there, gary would tell me abouthis time growing up in Kansas,
which I was fascinated by, andthe old cow pond that you guys
would play in.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
The cow pond I'll never forget that yeah, fish and
swim in the cow pond To thisday.
I can't believe you do that.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
See, I remember all of that, one of our great
traditions.
So the other thing that theywould do there was a tradition
of pinnacle peak is they wouldhave people would put their
business cards all over thewalls in this place.
They'd staple it to the walls,some of these cards people were
talking tens of thousands.
Yeah, that's how many were andand had been there for decades,
right, gary oh yeah, some ofthem were yellowed.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
you could barely read the stuff on them.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, so after we'd order our big old steak and we'd
order our pitcher of beer, we'deach secretly go grab a number
from one of these cards, okay,and we grab the name and we go
back to the table and call thenumber to see if the people
would answer and, if they didanswer, whether or not they
(16:51):
remember going to Pinnacle Peakand leaving their card on the
wall.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, this is the precursor to carpool karaoke.
It was business cards.
Nobody carries business cards,charlie, but it was business
card random dialing.
Yeah, that's what it was.
And some of these cards, I meanpeople are like what what?
Oh yeah, henry did, we Was.
And some of these cars you meanpeople are like what, what?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Oh, yeah, henry, was it 18 years ago when you were in
Saskillan.
We call this one lady.
She says oh my God, how longago was that honey?
Oh, I don't know.
And she goes that was like 30years ago or 20 years ago or
whatever.
And so Gary and I are tellingher oh man, there's this place
that we like.
It's called Greasewood Flat.
First of all we couldn'tbelieve we got the people.
They couldn't believe that wecalled them.
(17:36):
They thought it was just asfunny as we thought.
So they played along with usand we had a great time.
And it turns out she was like areal estate lady and she ends
up telling us about a placecalled the Buffalo Chip Saloon.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Gary, yes, the About a place called the Buffalo Chip
Saloon, Gary, yes, the rest ishistory.
The Buffalo Chip Saloon, whichwas nearby.
I mean people were talking outin the middle of nowhere.
We say we drove out in thedesert.
I mean we drove out Cave.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Creek Anybody?
Speaker 2 (18:00):
knows where it was, Wasn't that in Freedom Arizona?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Was it Freedom or Cave Creek, one of those places?
Maybe it was Freedom.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
See at Greasewood Flats, right near Pinnacle, but
further on, was the Buffalo Chip, which in this place was
amazing.
You just went down this kind ofbuffet line thing and they had
all this food and tri-chip.
You just put your plate on thescale and they chugged it.
But my favorite part about itwas and we never did this
because I valued my life toomuch and I don't know if Pat
didn't care and that way youcould literally put your name on
(18:29):
a clipboard to ride bulls intheir little mini arena, oh yeah
.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You could do that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, that's right, just put your name down a
clipboard.
Yeah, we'll get you, yeah, andthen you pay your 10 bucks or
whatever you could get on a bull.
I had an idea about doing that.
Then no, I can't.
But yeah, that was a Buffalochip, but I think subsequently
burned down.
Probably was some guy thatactually broke both legs on a
bull, burned it down.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Oh no, it burned down , the burned the buff wood ship,
it might have rebuilt it.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I don't want people that know that area probably
know if it's back up.
Anyway, back in the day thatwas, we had a lot of stops in
the desert and thankfully weactually were able to.
Well, one person was able toget up the next morning early
and hike to the top ofSaddleback Peak in Scottsdale,
and I'll let you all out thereguess who that of the duo was.
I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And the other one slept in.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah right, and then got up, smoked his cigars on the
balcony while somebody who didhike to the top of Saddleback
came back with large StarbucksJavas and the gentleman smoking
a cigar was forever grateful.
Put it as your V.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
That's right, and we'd go to the pancake house
right there.
The original pancake house theyhad a sign in there that said
only speak English.
If you worked here, rememberthat sign Only speak English.
This wasn't out front.
That sign You're to only speakEnglish.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
This wasn't out front , but I don't think in Arizona
they cared whether you thoughtit was out front or not.
But yeah, you'd walk back tothe restrooms and they had, you
know, they had little employeebillboards, so you'd go back
there and they got all thesafety notices required or
whatever.
And then there was one up thereand it said I don't know, pat,
you may remember the languagebetter, but basically only
English is spoken by employeesin this establishment.
(20:13):
That's it An English onlyestablishment?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, and the next time we were there, we found out
that he, the owner or themanager, curses a lot in English
at his employees.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
We were kind of shocked by the way.
Pinnacle Peak was so coolbecause Pat mentioned the
entrance.
They had all these framed blackand white photos.
It was amazing the people thatwent in there.
Pat, if I remember right,president Bush had been in there
.
President Bush Sr.
A whole bunch of celebrities,sports people, Willie Mays.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Willie Nelson, I remember them.
Yeah, all kinds of peopleRattlesnakes in there.
They had a live band inRattlesn.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, yeah, they had.
You know, for the kids.
You know it's that.
If you For the kids, yeah forthe kids.
And instead of you know, Ialways had this vision of a kid
taking a little piece ofhamburger, dangling it over
there Because instead of havinglike aquariums with fish in them
(21:13):
, they had rattlers in there.
They had a whole bunch ofrattlesnakes in these aquariums.
You'd walk in like what in theworld?
And you just envision a kid hey, mom, I want to feed a rattler.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, we never tried, I was tempted to throw a chunk
of steak in there, but I neverdid.
This is gary dietrich joiningme on pat's podcast 282.
One of the other places, gary,was greasewood flats.
We used to find out and this isout there by pinnacle peak,
just down the road, so afterwe'd eat our steak you could go
down there.
They'd have great music playing.
You could throw horseshoes.
(21:47):
You could drink beer out therewe're at could throw horseshoes.
You could drink beer out thereat night throwing horseshoes.
I mean, I loved that place andthat's now condos, I believe
yeah, and unfortunately, I meanthe place had real ambiance.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
You'd walk in and they had the obligatory uh, they
had to sign over redneck windchimes, some aluminum beer cans
on strings, the redneck windchimes they had, uh, they had
caution rattlers on one of thesebig wooden boxes big, you know,
like the old road winner thing.
Look at me, you know, cautionrattlers.
(22:18):
You open it up, there's a bunchof baby rattles inside there
and all, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It was legendary we're talking to garyrich,
political analyst KFBK, who, bythe way, gary, you're going to
be joining me on my showbeginning tomorrow night.
Tuesday night You're going tobe a regular feature on my show
for as long as you want to be,as long as we're going to be
doing that, as long as the suncontinues to rise and set the
desert.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
This is fun because a lot offolks have heard me, of course,
on your show, pat, and of courseI do a regular hit with Kitty
on Tuesday afternoons onAfternoon Drive and on Thursday
mornings with Christina, nowwith Sam Shane and his new show,
the Shane Reaction, onWednesday afternoons.
But, friends those of you thatcannot get enough of Pat and
Gary, every Tuesday evening I'mgoing to be on with Pat.
(23:03):
So I'm really looking forwardto that, both for more of the
kind of shenanigans storieswe're talking about, which I
know you folks love and tell usthat all the time, but also for
serious things.
I mean Pat and I do have notonly the capability but the
interest.
I know there's a lot of thingsPat's not.
You know he's not into politics, but the truth of it is the guy
cares about a lot of reallyserious and sincere things and I
(23:24):
really appreciate that about myfriend Pat.
So we'll be hitting both and soyou should tune in Tuesday
night to start a Pat show atseven o'clock and I'll look
forward to being with you, pat.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, and for anyone who's listening and I appreciate
you saying that, gary, listen,I am into politics.
I choose to, unless I'm reallypeeved that day and it needs to
be talked about.
Usually I'm trying to goanother direction because I know
you've heard it all, but thereare times and Gary knows this
like Gary, I'm going off on thistonight.
(23:55):
Listen, I've put enough, I'veshown enough restraint.
I need to discuss this tonight,speaking of politics and a
couple of minutes here.
I want to get into a couple ofthings that are happening with
you, with politics today, gary,and get your take.
This is also one thing I wantto say to everyone about my
buddy, gary Dietrich.
He gave me a compliment.
Now it's time for yourcompliment.
(24:16):
I don't care what is going onin this world, what the
political landscape is lookinglike on that particular day,
that given week or month or whathave it year, what have you.
Gary always is neutral.
He's not here to appease oneparty or to be a part of their
agenda on either side, and thatis why I appreciate.
(24:38):
One of the many big reasonsthat I appreciate you, gary, is
that you find that neutralityand most people appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
You know, I do appreciate saying that, pat.
You know, it's here's what Ihear from people that it's
almost impossible for them.
I hear this all the time.
People come up and say you know, gary, I, you know, I, I, this
is my leaning on this way orthat way, but he goes, but he or
she says, you know, but what Ireally appreciate is the fact
that you're able to tell like itis I mean both sides, because I
, because what they'll say to me, pat, I can't find that
(25:11):
anywhere these days and that'sas you know, that's what I try
to do and I don't play gamesabout it.
I honestly say look, okay,here's, here's both sides of
this, and I don't try tomanipulate people into thinking
the way I do about everything.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Exactly right, and that's why I appreciate you.
That's and I hear that commentabout you all the time, all the
time, and it's very refreshingbecause it's really one of the
only places that I find it gary,so I applaud you for that.
Before we get to our littlelightning round and then the
politics of the day how did garyand I meet?
Now, do you want to share thatstory, or should I?
Should, I see?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
first of all, you go ahead because, yeah, you have
such a vivid recollection of itand I was already doing tv and
stuff in those days.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
But this is a great story now I, so you jump in when
, anywhere you want.
This was like 1994.
What was when?
Was the uh, the republicanconvention?
Was that 95, not leading into96.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
That would have been, I think, 90.
I think you were thinking thatwould have probably been in 92,
or maybe it was the 96convention.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well, because I didn't start at the radio
station until 93, so it had tobe the next one.
So this would have been like 95, maybe right Somewhere in there
.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So leading up to the 96 election, right.
And so, yeah, I'm a producerfor the morning show for this
gentleman who we'll talk about alittle bit more in a second.
But you know it's it'spolitical season.
I'm a producer, I'm trying todo my job for a morning show for
the Jeff Katz show.
It's KST in Sacramento, and sowe have this boss, pat Pat.
(26:48):
His name is Ken Cole.
I'm just going to say itoutright Ken, I wish you the
best.
All right, a real radio guy whoknew his stuff about radio.
Did we agree all the time?
The answer would be hell.
No, we didn't.
That's me and Ken.
Now you guys, whatever, but I'mjust saying, but he did have a
(27:08):
bad.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Ken's a true blue radio guy.
He always treated me withrespect and always liked my
stuff, as you know, and althoughyou're going to hear a little
caveat here, Pat's going to tellyou about, but no, so good
times with Ken, and you knowanyway.
Well, that's it where it is.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I mean Ken would do this demeaning voice to me.
And now it's so funny becauseGary does it so well.
Ryan Harris is a master at thisvoice.
I must hear it, and I'm notexaggerating, I bet I hear it
500 times when he goes on thesetrips with us to Italy or
Ireland.
Pat, pat, he'd be like Pat, pat,can you come into my office,
(27:47):
pat?
Let me ask you Pat One time asa Pat Pat, can you come into my
office?
Pat?
Let me ask you Pat One time.
As a matter of fact.
Now I'm getting off track.
He says to me Pat, can you comein my office?
I go oh okay, now I'm working asplit shift, I'm working my
butt off as the sports guy.
Before my show I come in theoffice and he says he sits me
down.
He says to me Gary knows this,pat, your ego is getting out of
(28:10):
control.
Now I'm like the most humbleguy in the world.
I'm like what?
And Pat, I want you tounderstand Kitty and Tom are the
stars and Pat, pat, you'llnever be in anything more than a
blurb twice an hour.
That's all you are and that'sall you'll ever be.
So I told that story on my showand now everyone calls my show.
(28:30):
Most people that know me go Pat, including my friend Gary.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
That's right.
That's legendary, as anybodywho knows who's listened to KFH
Curator for any length of time.
There are legendary storiesabout Ken Cole.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
No doubt about that.
So to tie it into this, I findout about gary.
I didn't even know gary was, Ididn't know.
Maybe I saw him on tv, I don'treally recall.
Must have been on tv, gary, ifyou were doing tv and I looked
up and saw you probably wasthere and I said, well, let me
try to get this guy on to talkpolitics with my morning guy
here.
So I call up gary go.
Hey, man, my name is Pat Welsh,I'm a KSTE, I'm a producer and
(29:11):
would you like to come on aradio show?
And Gary's like, yeah, sure.
So Gary comes.
Gary comes on Now in radio.
You have a.
You have a phone line.
If people need to call you forwhatever reason, you have a warm
line which is you're like yourlittle inside source for your
buddies and people that need tokind of know your contacts and
they need to get ahold of youand they don't want to go to the
main line.
(29:31):
And then you have the hotlinewhere the boss is going to bitch
and moan, All right, and thenthat's a red one.
So Gary comes on.
He does this thing with ourmorning show guy, Jeff Katz.
When Gary finishes, the redlight comes on.
I'm like, oh crap, Now what?
I pick up the phone and it'sPat, Pat, Pat, who is that?
Who is that on the air you justhad?
(29:52):
And I go.
His name is Gary Dietrich.
He's a political analyst.
He says, Pat, don't ever havehim on the air again, Ever have
him on again.
I go.
Okay, thanks, Ken.
I hang up the phone.
I dial up Ring.
Hello, hey, Gary.
Hey, this is Pat.
Great job this morning.
(30:13):
Would you like to be on againtomorrow morning?
Gary's like oh sure, I'm gladyou liked it.
So the next morning swear toyou.
Right, Gary, you can attest tothis.
The next morning Gary comesback on, does his thing with
Jeff.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
The hotline people that don't remember jeff catch.
We won't go the whole story now, we'll save that for another
time, but jeff really liked metoo.
We are oil and water in so manydifferent ways, yes, but jeff
loved having me on and playingthe straight man with him.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yes, that's exactly right.
So when, when you're done withjeff and the interview, uh, the,
the hotline rings again, pat,and I'm like, oh, here it comes,
I'm either going to get firedor yell that for sure.
And he says to me who was thaton the air just now?
I go, that was Gary Dietrich, apolitical analyst.
(31:05):
He goes.
Now that guy you can have on,that guy was good, now you can
have him on again I said oh okay, thank you, thank you, boss you
the man so that's a true story.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
After that is a true story.
That is how it all started that.
We probably don't have time.
We will get into the legendarystories about that san diego
convention yeah, I know, I knowI We'll do that another time.
So, friends, as we say in thebusiness, nice tea.
You're going to need to betuning in on Tuesday nights, and
I'm all with that, becauseagain we will talk politics.
But you are going to heartruckloads of these kind of fun
(31:41):
vignettes about Pat's and myhistory which we usually just
don't have time to share.
But now that I'm on with Patregularly, we will.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
All right, you ready for your turbo lightning round
with Gary Dietrich?
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Well, I guess so, because it sounds like it's
coming into it.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I say it.
I'll either say a couple ofwords and you react.
I'll play or say something andyou react.
Fair enough, Got it All right.
We're going to start here.
All right, this is Too Fat toFly.
There ain't no wings on apachyderm.
You're too fat to fly.
There ain't no wings on abarnyard pig.
(32:16):
You're too fat to fly.
Any reaction to this?
Gary, there ain't no wings onyour big ass and there ain't no
one to ride.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay, friends, this was a regular feature on the
drive to and from or in thedesert was this song.
We will another time tell you alot more about it.
But this became Pat.
Is this fair to say?
This is pretty much the springtraining anthem for Pat here.
That's pretty much it.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
All right, let's go to two words.
The bus tires need extra air.
You're too fat to fly.
All right, let's go to twowords.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Turbo Lizard.
Oh boy, oh my God.
Pat absolutely loves this story.
I'm just going to tease this.
We don't have time to go intoit.
I'm going to tease it.
Friends, there was somebody whowas an actual congressional
candidate in the Sacramentoregion who changed his name to
Ted Turbo Lizard.
Pat loves this story.
It's very telling about modernpolitics.
(33:18):
I'm saving the details foranother time, but, believe it or
not, the guy literally had.
You know the signs you see upalong the side of the road.
There were Turbo Lizard forCongress signs up on the road.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
No joke, all right, this final thing you are going
to have to explain.
I remember all of our drives,all of our rides, all of our
times together, all of ourconversations, enjoying each
other's company, going to seebaseball, taking long rides, and
one day, we're driving in aconvertible, we are getting
ready to go.
We're headed in a convertible,we're getting ready to go, we're
(33:51):
headed.
On a sunny morning, we wereheaded towards the grapevine,
coming from Arizona, filled withbaseball memories and Camelback
Mountain triumphs, meetingMaury Wills and Glendale.
And Gary tells me this storythat I will never forget, and
(34:12):
when he's on my show, I don'tforget about his brother.
Would you like to share or sayhi or remember?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, oh.
I had to take a deep breathwhen I first heard the first few
notes of that coming.
All right, folks, I'm just.
This is a vulnerable moment forGary D.
You've never heard me say.
I get choked up every time Ihear this U2 song when the
Streets have no Name.
Why is that?
Because when I was starting mygraduate school at Harvard's
Kennedy School of Government, mybrother was in an auto accident
(34:42):
, in a coma for four months andpassed away just before the end
of my first semester.
And this song, which manypeople believe, has its roots in
a song about heaven where thestreets have no name.
It always reminds me of my dearbrother who, by the way, was
born with a congenital heartdefect and had significant
(35:02):
challenges and disabilitiesthroughout his entire life and
miraculously, when they said helived age two, lived age 37,.
He continues to this day to beone of my most powerful
inspirations for the work that Ido to hopefully make the world
a better place, particularly forthe vulnerable.
So it's in honor of my brother,lynn Neal Dietrich, that this
(35:27):
song plays on Pat's show.
Now you'll know it's goingforward nearly every time I'm on
and one of Pat's bumper musicwill pull this up and thank you,
pat, appreciate it, brother.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Love you, brother.
Thank you, appreciate you.
Thanks for being my friend.
Thanks for coming on my podcast, all right.
See you on Tuesday night, garyDietrich.
That's Peeps 282.
I mean, thank you so much forlistening.
(36:02):
I'm still building them,burning down love, burning down
love, and when I come back,
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