November 7, 2025 • 38 mins
- How I separate ideas from tasks, plan by energy, and keep marketing simple -
Planning doesn’t have to kill creativity. In this episode, I share how I plan with a neurodivergent, creative brain—lightly. Using examples from some of my clients, I separate ideas from tasks, choose one daily priority, and use soft time blocks guided by energy instead of the clock. I talk about how Bullet Journaling® supports me (without needing pretty pages), how I turned my phone into a tool, and why monthly/weekly/daily funnels keep my daily list truly doable. If you’ve tried rigid systems and rebelled, this is for you. Planning can protect your freedom, help you make more, and keep your marketing consistent—without heroic last-minute sprints.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Hey and welcome to Patent Shift.
I'm Saskia, creative life andbusiness coach for fiber-loving
makers, teachers, designers,shop owners, and all-around
creative.
I help you wayfind your nextstep, organize your business to
fit your life, and launch ideaswith joyful action.
Together we'll untangle thetricky bits like branding,
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marketing and sales, and buildsomething sustainable, skillful,
and truly you.
Hello and welcome back.
This is the third time I'mactually recording the podcast
also on video.
So if you're more that type ofperson, if you hang out on
YouTube more, perhaps that issomething that you want to check
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out and see what my office slashstudio slash what is it?
I do everything.
This is just my my room.
And I have my writing desk tothe back of me.
I'm sitting at my computer slashsewing desk.
I've got a day bed here forwhatever I have a guest or we
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have a guest.
So that this is kind of also aguest room.
But I really think it's quitefull and it's hardly ever used
as a guest room.
And perhaps I should rethink allof this sometime.
But not today.
Today we're talking about athing that is such a big part of
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I think almost everybody's life.
And especially if you run asmall business, and especially
if you need help getting thethings in your head, out of your
head, organized, and rememberingthe things you want to and also
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need to do.
We're talking about planning,and it's been everywhere for me
this last few days, I want tosay.
Last weekend, it's Monday whenI'm recording this, and last
weekend, writer Carol of theBullet Journal Method put out a
video on YouTube about turninghis phone into more of a tool
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rather than like the time suckthat it is for a lot of us.
And so I have in full ADHD mode,I was into it.
I was like, I'm doing this, andso he made this PDF that was
kind of helpful in thestep-by-step process, but also
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it took me way longer than Ianticipated, and so kind of
mid-redecorating of my phone,rebuilding my phone.
I was walking Skip the dog, andsome little burst of energy or
whatever, a birdie inside myhead said, Hmm, check your
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phone.
And I did, and I had a coachingsession planned in five minutes,
and that's great.
I can really I'm really good atdropping into my body and just
sitting in front of my computerand being in the moment and
completely locking into thecoaching experience.
No problem.
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The only problem was it was infive minutes and I was 10
minutes away from my house.
So this would have normallynever, or not never, but it
would have normally not happenedto me because I know this is
this brain works in that way.
So I need to have a lot ofscaffolding.
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I need to have a lot of thingsin place that support the way my
brain works and support me in anenvironment that isn't all that
flexible with these kinds ofthings, with people forgetting
about things.
I've lost friendship over this,over forgetting an appointment,
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and then that completely blewup, and I was like, what?
But that's for that's a wholedifferent story.
But just to say that if you knowabout yourself that you need
stuff in place to help youorganize your life, remember
things, then what you naturallydo is try out different things
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and see what sticks.
And so I don't necessarily havethings that work for me, but I'm
also always curious to learnmore and to see what works
better or differently or matchesthis chapter of my life better
or whatever.
And so luckily my client wasvery understanding and flexible.
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Thank you so much.
Again, you know who you are, andthat was fine because most
people are very nice andflexible and they understand.
And I managed to build a groupof people and friends around me
that really understand that thisis sometimes how it works for
me.
I also have to, well, not haveto.
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What I started doing is ask myfriends if they can send me a
text before we have a date orbefore we are doing something
together.
The night before, or just likean hour before, and none of them
have an issue doing that.
They just, I mean, it helps themas well because I'll show up,
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and that is just one of thescaffolding things that I have
in place.
I I'm accepting who I am, I'maccepting that I'm definitely
not perfect, and this is astruggle for me, it's a
challenge, and so I may askpeople to help me.
They may tell me that they don'twant to, and that is okay too,
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as well.
It's very layered.
Then, of course, I have the Bulajournal method, which is the
most well, there's so much toit, and I don't want to say
there's so much to it becauseI'm so afraid that if I I want
everybody to try it, reallyseriously.
It's very simple.
When you start out in thebeginning, it's very simple and
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it gets layered over time and itwill bring you more and more and
more, but you learn along theway.
So, in the beginning, it's supersuper simple.
So don't be afraid to try.
Okay, I'm gonna leave thatthere.
So bullet journaling worksamazingly for me.
Then a digital calendar withreminders, sometimes I need
extra reminders, also workswell.
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But during the day, I havemoments and behaviors that are
aligned with getting all thosebits and pieces of information
in front of me.
Of course, your phone issomething that you look at
regularly, but if you don't haveyour calendar front and center,
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then you'll not notice what's init.
And so the way you set up yourphone is definitely very
important.
Where your bullet journal is,whether you use a big one that's
always in your bag or always onyour desk, or a small one that
you bring with you wherever yougo, all those things you will
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only know what works if you tryit, if you have an open mind, if
you're curious.
So, what else was happening withthe planning?
Let me let me go back.
So, yeah, the ironic thing wasthat I was changing my phone in
order to make it lesstime-sucking for me, so that's
connected to planning in a way.
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And then what happens is thatduring this whole makeover, I
didn't get those messages that Iusually in place.
Then I was intrigued by thetopic.
I it's always something that'sbeen very interesting for me.
Even when I was in high school,I had no idea that I had ADHD.
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I was just a little differentfrom my friends when it came to
making my homework and havingthings uh delivered in time and
things like that.
Even then, I was fascinated byit.
I was always fascinated bynotebooks and pens and calendars
and schedules and always lovedit because there's a part of me
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that really it's almost like ayearning, yearns to have this
figured out.
Especially when there's likepretty notebooks and pens and
things, but there's also thepart of me that is full-on punk,
punk rocker, whatever, that saysF you, I'm not doing that.
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And if you are in my H and musictype group, if I say F you, I
won't do what you tell me.
I was at Pink Bop a festivalwhere that was performed, and I
definitely was yelling alongwith that lyric a lot.
And I'm still a little bit thatway.
If you tell me to do somethingbecause I have to, then I'll
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just go, yeah, whatever, nothappening.
And the funny thing is also if Itell myself, it doesn't really
matter.
If I tell myself I have to dosomething, I will rebel against
myself.
So over the years I have learnedthat this you kind of hold it
like a bird, right?
Uh you could you have to hold abird in in such a way that it
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doesn't fly away, but you cannotcrush it because it's really, I
mean, sorry for those visuallearners and the people that
have images with that.
You have to hold it lightly.
So being flexible with structurethat works.
But what does that look like?
I cannot tell you what thatlooks like for you because it is
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different for everybody.
I can, however, tell you andtalk to you about different
things to try, and that thebullet journal is that in
itself.
It is a flexible method that canwork for everybody if you give
it a try.
It's not what a lot of peoplethink, isn't it doesn't have to
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be pretty, you don't have tohave a beautiful handwriting,
you do have to be able to readyour handwriting.
I think being able to read yourhandwriting is like the yeah,
that's the low, that's where youstep in, that's where you start.
That's it.
It doesn't have to be pretty atall.
It's a tool.
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I think in time, you can, if youlike, if it becomes a muscle
that you have flexed, it be canbecome pretty if you want to,
but it doesn't have to be.
It's a tool.
Okay, enough about bulletjournal for now.
I want to talk more about thegeneral thing around planning.
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So I have, I'm gonna show you alittle bit more of how I work
and who I am.
In my business circlemembership, we have small
businesses from the creativeindustry, fiber craft industry,
and a therapist as well.
So every everyone's welcome.
It's not just for fiber-relatedbusiness owners.
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So we work together every month.
We have a wins and woes session,and actually we have a wins and
woe session every week, but Ijoin in every month and I
usually bring a topic that wetalk about a little bit more in
depth.
And this time I was like, oh,let's talk about planning.
And the funny thing is that I'msupposed to put the little bit
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of an exercise or a thoughtchallenge into the community
about a week ahead, and it's inmy calendar, and sometimes I
forget because it looks thesame.
I think I'm just realizing thatI'm thinking, why?
Why do I see it?
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And then sometimes my lifedoesn't fold around the things I
need to do, and sometimes I'm soused to seeing it in my calendar
because it the wins and woessession shows up every week for
me, every Monday, but I'm notthere every week, so it doesn't
jump out at me, and I'mrealizing in this moment that it
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would be really good for me totake out all of the other wins
and woes on the on the Mondaysthat I'm not there because I
don't need to be there.
They're working with the with agroup with without me.
And then that way, the the onethat is once a month when I'm
there, then that way I will seeit and it will be more clear to
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me.
Alright, so that was just alittle bit of a side side
journey there.
So I was a little late with theexercise, so that was another
layer to the planning.
And of course, I I gave themsomething that was doable within
the weekend.
So I was at the beginning of theweekend, I made the exercise for
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them to think about and do alittle thing so that in our
Monday session we could work onit together.
And then there is there'ssomeone in a group that really
needs to know things in advancebecause otherwise she won't
think of it, she will not havethe time.
There's other people there thatwill only notice it sometimes
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like the evening before we gettogether, and then quickly start
doing the exercise as well.
So there's lots of differentpeople and different ways of
dealing with that kind of thingin our group.
And it was really fun because Idecided to make this topic about
planning and just checking inhow everybody is doing with
planning.
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Of course, they all took thecourse that I made, the business
circle course.
And there's a lot about planningin there.
Doesn't necessarily mean thatpeople are doing all of the
things that I come up with.
It's up to them.
And if it fits you, it fits, andif it doesn't, it doesn't.
And of course, I talk aboutbullet journaling and how great
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it is and how it's wonderful foreveryone, but doesn't mean that
their curiosity that they evenwant to try.
They have to try that, they haveto decide that for themselves.
I cannot do that for them.
So we have a group of peoplethat are very much similar, but
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also very different in the waythey plan.
And it was a really greatsession.
It was just this morning, andwe're at lunchtime now, so it's
not even that long ago.
And I just decided to talk aboutit a little bit more here on the
podcast as well, because I thinkthere's a lot of thoughts around
planning and businessspecifically that might not have
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to be true necessarily.
So I think there's a couple offalse beliefs around planning,
and one of them is planningkills the creativity, or I need
to be flexible with it, I'll domy best work last minutes, and
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if I have too many systems, Iwill be boxed in and it won't
work for me.
So what I've learned overworking with planning, just not
using planning for work, butalso working with planning.
Oh, I just I just whacked mywater bottle in my enthusiastic
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Italian way of talking with myhands.
I there's nothing Italian in me.
I did one of those tests and I'mlike fully, fully Belgian
Netherlands, SouthernNetherlands.
There's nothing.
Well, I think there's a littlebit English in me somewhere, but
it's very, very organized.
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I have ancestry going back to1700, whatever, all in one place
on one side of the family.
They just they were there, theythought this is good, we're not
moving, we're sticking here, andthey're still there.
And now my watch is talking tome, interestingly.
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So, where was I?
Yeah, so so people have somesome beliefs around planning
that I think it's important totalk about because what I've
learned is that a simpleplanning rhythm that fits you
actually creates a lot offreedom, and you can protect
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your creative time so youactually have time to still
create things and make thingsbecause that's what happens a
lot.
Like we focus on all theseto-dos, these endless to-do
lists, and we end up losing timeto make and create.
And I brought in a quote to thesession that I want to share
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with you as well.
As as these things go, funnilyenough, it showed up on my
Waking U app.
It's the app I use formeditating.
And this goes back to rereorganizing my phone.
Since I've done that, I'veactually meditated twice.
And I started doing this threedays ago, and so it's working so
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far because the idea is that youhave a phone that helps you,
supports you in what you want toand need to do, and not all the
other things that grabs yourattention.
And so in this waking up appthis morning, I saw this quote,
and it's completely to thetopic.
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It's by Hans Hoffmann, who's uhan artist, and it says the
ability to simplify means toeliminate the unnecessary so
that the necessary may speak.
Now that was just perfect tobring that into our group
session, because if you cansimplify, if you can eliminate
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all of the blah and all of theclutter from your to-do list,
then you can focus on whatactually needs to happen
actually in that moment.
I mean, it it can also need tohappen in another moment, but
decluttering your to-do list andfocusing on what's actually
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necessary is that's just whereit starts.
And so I want to talk about whatI heard my clients talk about is
that having these to-do liststhat are just like never-ending
and just adding things to it,and then in one day you're lucky
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if you can get one thing done,but it's focused on finishing
the things on the to-do list,it's not focusing on whatever
what gets on the to-do list inthe first place, and and does
that thing actually need tohappen today, or at all for that
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matter?
So what really jumps up at me inthe conversation is that ideas
end up in the to-do list, likeall these things I want to do,
want to try out, put them all onthe to-do list.
But your the list of things youneed to do today is the list of
things you need to do today.
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And so there's a differencebetween keeping a running list
of creative ideas or marketingideas for that matter, or things
you want to try out with yourbusiness, or books you want to
read, or whatever.
Don't put them all in one list,have focus per month, per week,
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per day.
But for the sake of simplicity,let's just talk about a day.
Just make a list of what isfeasibly doable.
Is that double?
Is that like playing the otherone?
What is doable actually today interms of time, in terms of
energy level, and in terms ofsometimes even budget.
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There's lots of things I want todo that I cannot do.
So, yeah, sit down at thebeginning.
If you want to try something,let's just try this, first of
all.
At the beginning of your day,think about what actually needs
doing today.
The second step is look at thosethings and think about how much
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time they will take, how muchtime you have in the day, and
what you will actually be ableto do.
So a bunch of those things willhave to go off the list.
Don't worry about it.
You can put them somewhere elseon another list, but your day
list is going to be smaller.
And then look at perhaps you'llhave three or four things left.
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Should it should be somethinglike that?
And then look at those thingsand decide which one thing will
bring your business forward,will make you happier,
healthier, the thing thatmatches the day.
So if it's a weekend, if you'renot working working, focus on
yourself.
If it's a working day, what'sthe one thing that'll bring your
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business forward today?
One thing.
Priority means one thing.
It's not seven priorities, it'sone priority.
And then that one thing getsmoved to the top, gets stars, I
don't know, stickers, whatever.
If you like to embellish it, dothat.
If you want to do it in anothercolor, do that.
But make sure that that thingreally gets done.
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And if for you that means youhave to, I never remember if
it's eating the frog or bitingthe frog or licking the frog.
You do something gross with afrog, do that thing first.
But for some people, that justdoesn't work.
They freeze and they're like,can't, can't, won't.
So then do something small,something else, a small thing
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first.
Get your gears going and then dothe other thing.
That is something that is smalland doable, and that you can try
for yourself.
And let's do it for a week.
Every day do a to-do list thatis actually doable.
Then with all the things youwant to do, step two, then you
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cross off the things that youcannot do.
You focus on just the thingsthat you can manage to do in
terms of time, energy, and allthe other things, budget.
And then next step, third step,is decide the priority.
So you're now three pages,you've used up three pages of
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something.
It can be a notebook, it canalso be like for all doesn't
matter right now, it can bepost-it notes, but practice this
week to know what is actuallydoable and what is your
priority, and then the next day,that's step four.
The next day, go back and lookat what you actually finished,
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what you actually did.
If you have that kind of brainthat I do, sometimes in no time,
I almost write a whole book,depending on how locked in I am.
And sometimes it takes me weeksto do a simple task.
But with the way of doing itlike this and teaching yourself
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what is real and what is doableis really helpful in building a
muscle that after a while youdon't even have to really think
about it.
You already know that I can dothis today, or that is just
wishful thinking or dreaming.
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And dreaming is good, wishfulthinking is great, but do it on
another list.
So I hope that is a goodexercise that you can do,
practice, getting a little bitmore into what is real and
realistic.
So going back to that idea thatplanning kills flexibility and
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creativity, I need to do thingslast minute, systems box me in.
I think that if you build asimple practice that is
something to hold on to, ananchor, that it will be super,
super helpful to guide you alongto do the things that you need
to do.
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You have to be kind to yourselfand you have to know about
yourself how much energy youhave, what times of day are the
best times for you to do work.
So you can put some time inthinking about that.
Perhaps you already know.
I I actually did a lot ofreading about sleep rhythms and
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everything to do with sleep, thebook that Matthew Walker wrote.
I think it's just called Sleep.
I don't know.
Let me look that up.
It's called Why We Sleep byMatthew Walker.
I read that book and I learnedso much about how I sleep, why I
need to work on my sleephygiene, as they call it, and
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where my energy levels arehighest in the day, all that
kind of thing.
And with this example, you seethat it's not just about
following some sort of uhplanning method, it is so
layered, it is connected to howyou sleep, it's actually even
connected to how you eat, howyou do anything in life, what
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days look like, what your familylooks like.
It's connected to all thethings.
I'm realizing that with a dogand a house that has three
levels, let me count one, two,three, four levels, including
the lowest one.
Four levels, the house is notideal to have a dog.
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So it's it's something that youkind of have to plan around.
So I have an itchy nose, I don'tknow why.
So even that needs planningaround.
I am sitting here recording onthe second level with the puppy
sleeping downstairs.
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She's in a pen, and I have aring camera so that I can, if
she starts borking, I can seewhat's going on and can decide
whether or not I need to godownstairs or stay here, and I
don't have to walk down twostairs and wake and like have to
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stay there anyway, because nowI'm there and now she wants me
there.
And so what I'm saying is thatplanning is connected to so many
parts of your life.
So learn about your energylevels, learn about your brain,
how is it wired?
What does it need?
What do you need?
And keep an open mind.
Perhaps you need visualplanning, need a big calendar on
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your door or wall.
Or we talked about a pie chartfor the week, just to have like
colored in how much time youspend on things this week and
make it colorful.
I don't know, be creative.
If you want to be creative, finda creative way.
Then there's of course timeblocks in the neurodivergent
world, they say don't work forus.
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That's not necessarily true.
They work perfectly for me aslong as I hold them lightly like
a bird.
So the morning time for me isabout me and the dog, and about
creativity and moving my body.
So I do exercise and walk thedog.
The long walk is in the morningor at lunchtime, kind of.
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And then the rest of the day ismore focused towards work.
That also has to do with the waythat my energy flows throughout
the day.
And I'm rebuilding that wholestructure that I had perfectly
in place before we got thepuppy, but I'm rebuilding it to
match a life with a puppy, witha house that has levels, with my
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energy level, with I'm workingon it.
So I've got the morning untillunch kind of covered, and then
one or two hour work hours Ihave after lunch.
So up until then, I have we havea routine, kind of.
And it takes time to do the restof it.
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So what else can I talk about?
Different ways of planning.
So yeah, the the time blocking.
So if you hold it lightly, ifyou have I just have big blocks.
My blocks are about self-care,work, nighttime, social time.
That works for me.
And then you can have themeddays.
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I used to work with themed daysfor years.
Like, so what would I do?
Administration was one day,paperwork, creating was a day.
I did it also with a shop.
I think organizing the shop.
Like I themed my days, whichgave me something to hold on to
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so that I knew what to do when.
And now what's left of my themedays is that I have Mondays are
always for planning,interestingly enough.
So Monday morning is when I planmy day, week, or month.
Oh, actually, my day and weekalways, and month every every
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three, every other three Mondaysor four.
And then like at the beginningof the month, I have a Monday
where the month, the week, andthe day gets planned.
And the other Mondays are thestart of the week and the Monday
as a day.
And then every morning isplanning of the day.
I have themed days or themedmornings and blocks that kind of
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so I my time blocks are, I justexplained about my time blocks.
The morning is also forplanning.
And the Monday specifically isfor planning the week or the
month, depending on what time ofin the month it is.
And so Monday is definitely verymuch planning focused, which is
also a really good thing torealize that planning takes
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time.
You have to set time to planbefore it can give time back to
you.
So going back to the beginningof what we were saying, if you
are able to declutter all thethings you think you need to do
in the moment, you can, if youlearn how to work with that, you
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can actually get back more timeand learn to focus on what's
important so that you also havetime to actually do crafts,
which I do in the morning.
And a lot of my clients, whetherthey are coaching clients or in
the business circle, theystruggle with finding time to
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create.
And you really have to plan timefor it and allow yourself time
for it.
And it doesn't mean that it hasto be an alarm on your phone.
If that helps, that helps.
But perhaps it's just I get tocraft every evening.
And whatever that looks like,that's good.
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Or I get to watch a movie everyI did Monday morning movies for
a whole time, a whole while whenI was not feeling super
energetic, not feeling all thatwell, all that strong mentally,
I think at the time.
And I just needed to allowmyself to not really do
anything, but I also felt like Ineeded a little bit of
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constraint because otherwise Iwould kind of watch TV all day.
So I would allow myself Mondaymorning movie to just really let
go of all the have-tos and justenjoy that movie.
And once it was done, the restof the day could start.
So whichever way you love toplan your work, your days, your
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life, what I want you to takeaway from this is that hold it
lightly like a bird, be curious,learn about yourself, who you
are, how you work as a person,as an entity, a machine, and try
out new things.
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They might be wonderful, theymight be something that you
haven't thought of before thatjust clicks.
And sometimes you have to try itseven times before it clicks.
I mean, have you ever do youremember when you started to
learn how to knit socks ondouble-pointed needles?
If you know what I'm talkingabout, the beginning was oh my
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god, so frustrating.
And then somebody said, No, youshould do that on circulars and
then do magic loop.
And you're like, I don't know,man, what is this?
I cannot, I don't follow.
Or it went the other way around.
Doesn't matter.
There's different ways to do thesame thing.
Some of these things are rightaway, they click, they're your
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thing, you're like, This is me.
And some of them you have topractice and you get better at
it over time.
They might not be like thismagical solution, and you get
everything done whenever youwant them done.
I mean, I started with all theseexamples from my life.
I work with people aroundplanning and I I mess up all the
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time.
But I have something to go backto and to reconnect to and start
again.
And I have managed to avoid lotsof drama by learning from
history.
I'm not saying my mistakes, ofcourse I make mistakes, but I'm
also just like a person who iswho I am.
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And I've learned and I adapt andthen I try something else.
So remember the exercise that Iwas talking about, like
somewhere halfway through thispodcast.
Try to let me see if I canquickly go back to it.
So make a to-do list of all thestep one, make a to-do list of
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all the things you think you'regonna do today.
Step two, look at it again, berealistic.
What can you actually do today?
Step three, find out which oneof those things is your
priority, your one priority, andput that on top with
underlining, do that first ifyou can.
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And then step four, the nextday, go back to that list and
see what you actually managed todo.
And learning from that, do thatevery day of the coming week.
And please let me know how thatwent.
I am sitting here waiting foryour emails, waiting for your
voice notes if you want to leavea voice note.
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I actually stopped putting themon my website because I had a
little button of voice note, buthardly ever anyone use it.
So email me, you know,old-fashioned email.
If you have a pigeon, send overyour pigeon.
I want to hear about it.
I want to hear how you're doing.
I want to hear what yourthoughts are around planning.
And if you're curious about thebullet journal method, you start
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really, really easy and then itturns into this whole thing that
is so wonderfully supportive.
I wish just everybody would giveit an honest try.
Let me know.
So get in touch and good luckwith all of this.
And what else can I say?
Oh, I made a vlog.
Did I tell you?
I made a vlog, an actual vlog ofthe spinning day.
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I guess it's national spinningday, but it sounds like it's a
holiday.
It's not, it's like organized bythis group.
Anyway, I made a vlog about it.
If you want to have a look, it'son my YouTube channel.
Uh, make sure to like andsubscribe, because that's the
whole point.
That other people will see itand that other people will come
find me, and that's why I do allof this.
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It's uh part of what I do as abusiness.
I this I planned to do this inmy bullet journal.
Yeah.
Okay, bye.
Hey and welcome to Patent Shift.
I'm Saskia, creative life andbusiness coach for fiber-loving
makers, teachers, designers,shop owners, and all-around
creative.
I help you wayfind your nextstep, organize your business to
fit your life, and launch ideaswith joyful action.
Together we'll untangle thetricky bits like branding,
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marketing and sales, and buildsomething sustainable, skillful,
and truly you.
Hello and welcome back.
This is the third time I'mactually recording the podcast
also on video.
So if you're more that type ofperson, if you hang out on
YouTube more, perhaps that issomething that you want to check
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out and see what my office slashstudio slash what is it?
I do everything.
This is just my my room.
And I have my writing desk tothe back of me.
I'm sitting at my computer slashsewing desk.
I've got a day bed here forwhatever I have a guest or we
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have a guest.
So that this is kind of also aguest room.
But I really think it's quitefull and it's hardly ever used
as a guest room.
And perhaps I should rethink allof this sometime.
But not today.
Today we're talking about athing that is such a big part of
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I think almost everybody's life.
And especially if you run asmall business, and especially
if you need help getting thethings in your head, out of your
head, organized, and rememberingthe things you want to and also
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need to do.
We're talking about planning,and it's been everywhere for me
this last few days, I want tosay.
Last weekend, it's Monday whenI'm recording this, and last
weekend, writer Carol of theBullet Journal Method put out a
video on YouTube about turninghis phone into more of a tool
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rather than like the time suckthat it is for a lot of us.
And so I have in full ADHD mode,I was into it.
I was like, I'm doing this, andso he made this PDF that was
kind of helpful in thestep-by-step process, but also
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it took me way longer than Ianticipated, and so kind of
mid-redecorating of my phone,rebuilding my phone.
I was walking Skip the dog, andsome little burst of energy or
whatever, a birdie inside myhead said, Hmm, check your
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phone.
And I did, and I had a coachingsession planned in five minutes,
and that's great.
I can really I'm really good atdropping into my body and just
sitting in front of my computerand being in the moment and
completely locking into thecoaching experience.
No problem.
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The only problem was it was infive minutes and I was 10
minutes away from my house.
So this would have normallynever, or not never, but it
would have normally not happenedto me because I know this is
this brain works in that way.
So I need to have a lot ofscaffolding.
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I need to have a lot of thingsin place that support the way my
brain works and support me in anenvironment that isn't all that
flexible with these kinds ofthings, with people forgetting
about things.
I've lost friendship over this,over forgetting an appointment,
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and then that completely blewup, and I was like, what?
But that's for that's a wholedifferent story.
But just to say that if you knowabout yourself that you need
stuff in place to help youorganize your life, remember
things, then what you naturallydo is try out different things
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and see what sticks.
And so I don't necessarily havethings that work for me, but I'm
also always curious to learnmore and to see what works
better or differently or matchesthis chapter of my life better
or whatever.
And so luckily my client wasvery understanding and flexible.
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Thank you so much.
Again, you know who you are, andthat was fine because most
people are very nice andflexible and they understand.
And I managed to build a groupof people and friends around me
that really understand that thisis sometimes how it works for
me.
I also have to, well, not haveto.
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What I started doing is ask myfriends if they can send me a
text before we have a date orbefore we are doing something
together.
The night before, or just likean hour before, and none of them
have an issue doing that.
They just, I mean, it helps themas well because I'll show up,
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and that is just one of thescaffolding things that I have
in place.
I I'm accepting who I am, I'maccepting that I'm definitely
not perfect, and this is astruggle for me, it's a
challenge, and so I may askpeople to help me.
They may tell me that they don'twant to, and that is okay too,
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as well.
It's very layered.
Then, of course, I have the Bulajournal method, which is the
most well, there's so much toit, and I don't want to say
there's so much to it becauseI'm so afraid that if I I want
everybody to try it, reallyseriously.
It's very simple.
When you start out in thebeginning, it's very simple and
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it gets layered over time and itwill bring you more and more and
more, but you learn along theway.
So, in the beginning, it's supersuper simple.
So don't be afraid to try.
Okay, I'm gonna leave thatthere.
So bullet journaling worksamazingly for me.
Then a digital calendar withreminders, sometimes I need
extra reminders, also workswell.
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But during the day, I havemoments and behaviors that are
aligned with getting all thosebits and pieces of information
in front of me.
Of course, your phone issomething that you look at
regularly, but if you don't haveyour calendar front and center,
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then you'll not notice what's init.
And so the way you set up yourphone is definitely very
important.
Where your bullet journal is,whether you use a big one that's
always in your bag or always onyour desk, or a small one that
you bring with you wherever yougo, all those things you will
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only know what works if you tryit, if you have an open mind, if
you're curious.
So, what else was happening withthe planning?
Let me let me go back.
So, yeah, the ironic thing wasthat I was changing my phone in
order to make it lesstime-sucking for me, so that's
connected to planning in a way.
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And then what happens is thatduring this whole makeover, I
didn't get those messages that Iusually in place.
Then I was intrigued by thetopic.
I it's always something that'sbeen very interesting for me.
Even when I was in high school,I had no idea that I had ADHD.
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I was just a little differentfrom my friends when it came to
making my homework and havingthings uh delivered in time and
things like that.
Even then, I was fascinated byit.
I was always fascinated bynotebooks and pens and calendars
and schedules and always lovedit because there's a part of me
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that really it's almost like ayearning, yearns to have this
figured out.
Especially when there's likepretty notebooks and pens and
things, but there's also thepart of me that is full-on punk,
punk rocker, whatever, that saysF you, I'm not doing that.
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And if you are in my H and musictype group, if I say F you, I
won't do what you tell me.
I was at Pink Bop a festivalwhere that was performed, and I
definitely was yelling alongwith that lyric a lot.
And I'm still a little bit thatway.
If you tell me to do somethingbecause I have to, then I'll
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just go, yeah, whatever, nothappening.
And the funny thing is also if Itell myself, it doesn't really
matter.
If I tell myself I have to dosomething, I will rebel against
myself.
So over the years I have learnedthat this you kind of hold it
like a bird, right?
Uh you could you have to hold abird in in such a way that it
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doesn't fly away, but you cannotcrush it because it's really, I
mean, sorry for those visuallearners and the people that
have images with that.
You have to hold it lightly.
So being flexible with structurethat works.
But what does that look like?
I cannot tell you what thatlooks like for you because it is
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different for everybody.
I can, however, tell you andtalk to you about different
things to try, and that thebullet journal is that in
itself.
It is a flexible method that canwork for everybody if you give
it a try.
It's not what a lot of peoplethink, isn't it doesn't have to
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be pretty, you don't have tohave a beautiful handwriting,
you do have to be able to readyour handwriting.
I think being able to read yourhandwriting is like the yeah,
that's the low, that's where youstep in, that's where you start.
That's it.
It doesn't have to be pretty atall.
It's a tool.
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I think in time, you can, if youlike, if it becomes a muscle
that you have flexed, it be canbecome pretty if you want to,
but it doesn't have to be.
It's a tool.
Okay, enough about bulletjournal for now.
I want to talk more about thegeneral thing around planning.
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So I have, I'm gonna show you alittle bit more of how I work
and who I am.
In my business circlemembership, we have small
businesses from the creativeindustry, fiber craft industry,
and a therapist as well.
So every everyone's welcome.
It's not just for fiber-relatedbusiness owners.
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So we work together every month.
We have a wins and woes session,and actually we have a wins and
woe session every week, but Ijoin in every month and I
usually bring a topic that wetalk about a little bit more in
depth.
And this time I was like, oh,let's talk about planning.
And the funny thing is that I'msupposed to put the little bit
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of an exercise or a thoughtchallenge into the community
about a week ahead, and it's inmy calendar, and sometimes I
forget because it looks thesame.
I think I'm just realizing thatI'm thinking, why?
Why do I see it?
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And then sometimes my lifedoesn't fold around the things I
need to do, and sometimes I'm soused to seeing it in my calendar
because it the wins and woessession shows up every week for
me, every Monday, but I'm notthere every week, so it doesn't
jump out at me, and I'mrealizing in this moment that it
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would be really good for me totake out all of the other wins
and woes on the on the Mondaysthat I'm not there because I
don't need to be there.
They're working with the with agroup with without me.
And then that way, the the onethat is once a month when I'm
there, then that way I will seeit and it will be more clear to
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me.
Alright, so that was just alittle bit of a side side
journey there.
So I was a little late with theexercise, so that was another
layer to the planning.
And of course, I I gave themsomething that was doable within
the weekend.
So I was at the beginning of theweekend, I made the exercise for
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them to think about and do alittle thing so that in our
Monday session we could work onit together.
And then there is there'ssomeone in a group that really
needs to know things in advancebecause otherwise she won't
think of it, she will not havethe time.
There's other people there thatwill only notice it sometimes
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like the evening before we gettogether, and then quickly start
doing the exercise as well.
So there's lots of differentpeople and different ways of
dealing with that kind of thingin our group.
And it was really fun because Idecided to make this topic about
planning and just checking inhow everybody is doing with
planning.
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Of course, they all took thecourse that I made, the business
circle course.
And there's a lot about planningin there.
Doesn't necessarily mean thatpeople are doing all of the
things that I come up with.
It's up to them.
And if it fits you, it fits, andif it doesn't, it doesn't.
And of course, I talk aboutbullet journaling and how great
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it is and how it's wonderful foreveryone, but doesn't mean that
their curiosity that they evenwant to try.
They have to try that, they haveto decide that for themselves.
I cannot do that for them.
So we have a group of peoplethat are very much similar, but
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also very different in the waythey plan.
And it was a really greatsession.
It was just this morning, andwe're at lunchtime now, so it's
not even that long ago.
And I just decided to talk aboutit a little bit more here on the
podcast as well, because I thinkthere's a lot of thoughts around
planning and businessspecifically that might not have
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to be true necessarily.
So I think there's a couple offalse beliefs around planning,
and one of them is planningkills the creativity, or I need
to be flexible with it, I'll domy best work last minutes, and
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if I have too many systems, Iwill be boxed in and it won't
work for me.
So what I've learned overworking with planning, just not
using planning for work, butalso working with planning.
Oh, I just I just whacked mywater bottle in my enthusiastic
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Italian way of talking with myhands.
I there's nothing Italian in me.
I did one of those tests and I'mlike fully, fully Belgian
Netherlands, SouthernNetherlands.
There's nothing.
Well, I think there's a littlebit English in me somewhere, but
it's very, very organized.
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I have ancestry going back to1700, whatever, all in one place
on one side of the family.
They just they were there, theythought this is good, we're not
moving, we're sticking here, andthey're still there.
And now my watch is talking tome, interestingly.
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So, where was I?
Yeah, so so people have somesome beliefs around planning
that I think it's important totalk about because what I've
learned is that a simpleplanning rhythm that fits you
actually creates a lot offreedom, and you can protect
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your creative time so youactually have time to still
create things and make thingsbecause that's what happens a
lot.
Like we focus on all theseto-dos, these endless to-do
lists, and we end up losing timeto make and create.
And I brought in a quote to thesession that I want to share
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with you as well.
As as these things go, funnilyenough, it showed up on my
Waking U app.
It's the app I use formeditating.
And this goes back to rereorganizing my phone.
Since I've done that, I'veactually meditated twice.
And I started doing this threedays ago, and so it's working so
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far because the idea is that youhave a phone that helps you,
supports you in what you want toand need to do, and not all the
other things that grabs yourattention.
And so in this waking up appthis morning, I saw this quote,
and it's completely to thetopic.
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It's by Hans Hoffmann, who's uhan artist, and it says the
ability to simplify means toeliminate the unnecessary so
that the necessary may speak.
Now that was just perfect tobring that into our group
session, because if you cansimplify, if you can eliminate
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all of the blah and all of theclutter from your to-do list,
then you can focus on whatactually needs to happen
actually in that moment.
I mean, it it can also need tohappen in another moment, but
decluttering your to-do list andfocusing on what's actually
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necessary is that's just whereit starts.
And so I want to talk about whatI heard my clients talk about is
that having these to-do liststhat are just like never-ending
and just adding things to it,and then in one day you're lucky
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if you can get one thing done,but it's focused on finishing
the things on the to-do list,it's not focusing on whatever
what gets on the to-do list inthe first place, and and does
that thing actually need tohappen today, or at all for that
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matter?
So what really jumps up at me inthe conversation is that ideas
end up in the to-do list, likeall these things I want to do,
want to try out, put them all onthe to-do list.
But your the list of things youneed to do today is the list of
things you need to do today.
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And so there's a differencebetween keeping a running list
of creative ideas or marketingideas for that matter, or things
you want to try out with yourbusiness, or books you want to
read, or whatever.
Don't put them all in one list,have focus per month, per week,
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per day.
But for the sake of simplicity,let's just talk about a day.
Just make a list of what isfeasibly doable.
Is that double?
Is that like playing the otherone?
What is doable actually today interms of time, in terms of
energy level, and in terms ofsometimes even budget.
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There's lots of things I want todo that I cannot do.
So, yeah, sit down at thebeginning.
If you want to try something,let's just try this, first of
all.
At the beginning of your day,think about what actually needs
doing today.
The second step is look at thosethings and think about how much
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time they will take, how muchtime you have in the day, and
what you will actually be ableto do.
So a bunch of those things willhave to go off the list.
Don't worry about it.
You can put them somewhere elseon another list, but your day
list is going to be smaller.
And then look at perhaps you'llhave three or four things left.
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Should it should be somethinglike that?
And then look at those thingsand decide which one thing will
bring your business forward,will make you happier,
healthier, the thing thatmatches the day.
So if it's a weekend, if you'renot working working, focus on
yourself.
If it's a working day, what'sthe one thing that'll bring your
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business forward today?
One thing.
Priority means one thing.
It's not seven priorities, it'sone priority.
And then that one thing getsmoved to the top, gets stars, I
don't know, stickers, whatever.
If you like to embellish it, dothat.
If you want to do it in anothercolor, do that.
But make sure that that thingreally gets done.
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And if for you that means youhave to, I never remember if
it's eating the frog or bitingthe frog or licking the frog.
You do something gross with afrog, do that thing first.
But for some people, that justdoesn't work.
They freeze and they're like,can't, can't, won't.
So then do something small,something else, a small thing
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first.
Get your gears going and then dothe other thing.
That is something that is smalland doable, and that you can try
for yourself.
And let's do it for a week.
Every day do a to-do list thatis actually doable.
Then with all the things youwant to do, step two, then you
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cross off the things that youcannot do.
You focus on just the thingsthat you can manage to do in
terms of time, energy, and allthe other things, budget.
And then next step, third step,is decide the priority.
So you're now three pages,you've used up three pages of
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something.
It can be a notebook, it canalso be like for all doesn't
matter right now, it can bepost-it notes, but practice this
week to know what is actuallydoable and what is your
priority, and then the next day,that's step four.
The next day, go back and lookat what you actually finished,
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what you actually did.
If you have that kind of brainthat I do, sometimes in no time,
I almost write a whole book,depending on how locked in I am.
And sometimes it takes me weeksto do a simple task.
But with the way of doing itlike this and teaching yourself
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what is real and what is doableis really helpful in building a
muscle that after a while youdon't even have to really think
about it.
You already know that I can dothis today, or that is just
wishful thinking or dreaming.
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And dreaming is good, wishfulthinking is great, but do it on
another list.
So I hope that is a goodexercise that you can do,
practice, getting a little bitmore into what is real and
realistic.
So going back to that idea thatplanning kills flexibility and
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creativity, I need to do thingslast minute, systems box me in.
I think that if you build asimple practice that is
something to hold on to, ananchor, that it will be super,
super helpful to guide you alongto do the things that you need
to do.
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You have to be kind to yourselfand you have to know about
yourself how much energy youhave, what times of day are the
best times for you to do work.
So you can put some time inthinking about that.
Perhaps you already know.
I I actually did a lot ofreading about sleep rhythms and
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everything to do with sleep, thebook that Matthew Walker wrote.
I think it's just called Sleep.
I don't know.
Let me look that up.
It's called Why We Sleep byMatthew Walker.
I read that book and I learnedso much about how I sleep, why I
need to work on my sleephygiene, as they call it, and
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where my energy levels arehighest in the day, all that
kind of thing.
And with this example, you seethat it's not just about
following some sort of uhplanning method, it is so
layered, it is connected to howyou sleep, it's actually even
connected to how you eat, howyou do anything in life, what
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days look like, what your familylooks like.
It's connected to all thethings.
I'm realizing that with a dogand a house that has three
levels, let me count one, two,three, four levels, including
the lowest one.
Four levels, the house is notideal to have a dog.
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So it's it's something that youkind of have to plan around.
So I have an itchy nose, I don'tknow why.
So even that needs planningaround.
I am sitting here recording onthe second level with the puppy
sleeping downstairs.
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She's in a pen, and I have aring camera so that I can, if
she starts borking, I can seewhat's going on and can decide
whether or not I need to godownstairs or stay here, and I
don't have to walk down twostairs and wake and like have to
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stay there anyway, because nowI'm there and now she wants me
there.
And so what I'm saying is thatplanning is connected to so many
parts of your life.
So learn about your energylevels, learn about your brain,
how is it wired?
What does it need?
What do you need?
And keep an open mind.
Perhaps you need visualplanning, need a big calendar on
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your door or wall.
Or we talked about a pie chartfor the week, just to have like
colored in how much time youspend on things this week and
make it colorful.
I don't know, be creative.
If you want to be creative, finda creative way.
Then there's of course timeblocks in the neurodivergent
world, they say don't work forus.
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That's not necessarily true.
They work perfectly for me aslong as I hold them lightly like
a bird.
So the morning time for me isabout me and the dog, and about
creativity and moving my body.
So I do exercise and walk thedog.
The long walk is in the morningor at lunchtime, kind of.
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And then the rest of the day ismore focused towards work.
That also has to do with the waythat my energy flows throughout
the day.
And I'm rebuilding that wholestructure that I had perfectly
in place before we got thepuppy, but I'm rebuilding it to
match a life with a puppy, witha house that has levels, with my
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energy level, with I'm workingon it.
So I've got the morning untillunch kind of covered, and then
one or two hour work hours Ihave after lunch.
So up until then, I have we havea routine, kind of.
And it takes time to do the restof it.
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So what else can I talk about?
Different ways of planning.
So yeah, the the time blocking.
So if you hold it lightly, ifyou have I just have big blocks.
My blocks are about self-care,work, nighttime, social time.
That works for me.
And then you can have themeddays.
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I used to work with themed daysfor years.
Like, so what would I do?
Administration was one day,paperwork, creating was a day.
I did it also with a shop.
I think organizing the shop.
Like I themed my days, whichgave me something to hold on to
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so that I knew what to do when.
And now what's left of my themedays is that I have Mondays are
always for planning,interestingly enough.
So Monday morning is when I planmy day, week, or month.
Oh, actually, my day and weekalways, and month every every
(31:26):
three, every other three Mondaysor four.
And then like at the beginningof the month, I have a Monday
where the month, the week, andthe day gets planned.
And the other Mondays are thestart of the week and the Monday
as a day.
And then every morning isplanning of the day.
I have themed days or themedmornings and blocks that kind of
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so I my time blocks are, I justexplained about my time blocks.
The morning is also forplanning.
And the Monday specifically isfor planning the week or the
month, depending on what time ofin the month it is.
And so Monday is definitely verymuch planning focused, which is
also a really good thing torealize that planning takes
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time.
You have to set time to planbefore it can give time back to
you.
So going back to the beginningof what we were saying, if you
are able to declutter all thethings you think you need to do
in the moment, you can, if youlearn how to work with that, you
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can actually get back more timeand learn to focus on what's
important so that you also havetime to actually do crafts,
which I do in the morning.
And a lot of my clients, whetherthey are coaching clients or in
the business circle, theystruggle with finding time to
(32:57):
create.
And you really have to plan timefor it and allow yourself time
for it.
And it doesn't mean that it hasto be an alarm on your phone.
If that helps, that helps.
But perhaps it's just I get tocraft every evening.
And whatever that looks like,that's good.
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Or I get to watch a movie everyI did Monday morning movies for
a whole time, a whole while whenI was not feeling super
energetic, not feeling all thatwell, all that strong mentally,
I think at the time.
And I just needed to allowmyself to not really do
anything, but I also felt like Ineeded a little bit of
(33:42):
constraint because otherwise Iwould kind of watch TV all day.
So I would allow myself Mondaymorning movie to just really let
go of all the have-tos and justenjoy that movie.
And once it was done, the restof the day could start.
So whichever way you love toplan your work, your days, your
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life, what I want you to takeaway from this is that hold it
lightly like a bird, be curious,learn about yourself, who you
are, how you work as a person,as an entity, a machine, and try
out new things.
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They might be wonderful, theymight be something that you
haven't thought of before thatjust clicks.
And sometimes you have to try itseven times before it clicks.
I mean, have you ever do youremember when you started to
learn how to knit socks ondouble-pointed needles?
If you know what I'm talkingabout, the beginning was oh my
(34:45):
god, so frustrating.
And then somebody said, No, youshould do that on circulars and
then do magic loop.
And you're like, I don't know,man, what is this?
I cannot, I don't follow.
Or it went the other way around.
Doesn't matter.
There's different ways to do thesame thing.
Some of these things are rightaway, they click, they're your
(35:06):
thing, you're like, This is me.
And some of them you have topractice and you get better at
it over time.
They might not be like thismagical solution, and you get
everything done whenever youwant them done.
I mean, I started with all theseexamples from my life.
I work with people aroundplanning and I I mess up all the
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time.
But I have something to go backto and to reconnect to and start
again.
And I have managed to avoid lotsof drama by learning from
history.
I'm not saying my mistakes, ofcourse I make mistakes, but I'm
also just like a person who iswho I am.
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And I've learned and I adapt andthen I try something else.
So remember the exercise that Iwas talking about, like
somewhere halfway through thispodcast.
Try to let me see if I canquickly go back to it.
So make a to-do list of all thestep one, make a to-do list of
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all the things you think you'regonna do today.
Step two, look at it again, berealistic.
What can you actually do today?
Step three, find out which oneof those things is your
priority, your one priority, andput that on top with
underlining, do that first ifyou can.
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And then step four, the nextday, go back to that list and
see what you actually managed todo.
And learning from that, do thatevery day of the coming week.
And please let me know how thatwent.
I am sitting here waiting foryour emails, waiting for your
voice notes if you want to leavea voice note.
(36:56):
I actually stopped putting themon my website because I had a
little button of voice note, buthardly ever anyone use it.
So email me, you know,old-fashioned email.
If you have a pigeon, send overyour pigeon.
I want to hear about it.
I want to hear how you're doing.
I want to hear what yourthoughts are around planning.
And if you're curious about thebullet journal method, you start
(37:21):
really, really easy and then itturns into this whole thing that
is so wonderfully supportive.
I wish just everybody would giveit an honest try.
Let me know.
So get in touch and good luckwith all of this.
And what else can I say?
Oh, I made a vlog.
Did I tell you?
I made a vlog, an actual vlog ofthe spinning day.
(37:45):
I guess it's national spinningday, but it sounds like it's a
holiday.
It's not, it's like organized bythis group.
Anyway, I made a vlog about it.
If you want to have a look, it'son my YouTube channel.
Uh, make sure to like andsubscribe, because that's the
whole point.
That other people will see itand that other people will come
find me, and that's why I do allof this.
(38:05):
It's uh part of what I do as abusiness.
I this I planned to do this inmy bullet journal.
Yeah.
Okay, bye.
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