September 15, 2025 • 29 mins
Jerry welcomes entrepreneur and author Gregory True, whose new book Proud Wealth: Building Abundance on Your Own Terms guides LGBTQ+ listeners through the A-to-Z of personal finance.
Gregory shares the personal story behind the book — the loss of his husband — and why estate planning, powers of attorney, and other legal documents are essential for queer couples. We also talk about tackling debt without shame, first steps for 20-somethings, choosing queer-competent advisors, and why “saving and security is our best form of protest.”
Gregory’s audiobook is newly released, and the book is available widely (including Amazon). He also shares ongoing tips on Instagram at @proudwealth.
In This Episode:
- 🏳️🌈 Estate planning must-haves for LGBTQ+ families
- 💳 Budgeting, debt, credit, and beginner investing made simple
- 🌈 Navigating discrimination and staying authentic in business
Disclaimer:
Educational only — please consult qualified tax, legal, and investment professionals for advice specific to you.
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UNKNOWN (00:00):
So,
SPEAKER_00 (00:20):
Hey, hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Pink
Money Podcast, and I'm yourhost, Jerry Williams, and we
talk about all things related tomoney from the gay perspective.
And today, I have a guest who'sgoing to join me.
His name is Gregory True, and hehas written a book.
And I have bought it, and I'veread a lot of it.
I haven't read it cover tocover, but it's really a great
(00:42):
book that really walks youthrough, you know, kind of the A
to Z in terms of achievingfinancial success.
But the book is called ProudWealth Building Abundance on
Your Own Terms by Gregory True.
So you can find it on Amazon.
That's how I found it.
But hey, welcome, Greg.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01):
Hey, thank you.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you for inviting me.
I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05):
Yeah, it's, it's super exciting because, you
know, I always love when thingsare aimed directly at the queer
community and believe me thatword, I'm still trying to adjust
myself too.
So
SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
if
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
I slip in and out with gay or LGBT, no, it's not
meant to offend anyone.
I know people have very strongopinions about that, but I'm
going to just kind of go withwhat falls out naturally to me.
So anyway, can you tell me alittle bit about yourself and
what prompted you to actuallywrite this book?
SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
Yes, a good question.
I am a queer entrepreneur.
I've been in, I have multiplebusinesses right now and rental
properties and multiple homesand all that stuff.
And there were two things in mylife that prompted me to think
about writing a book like this.
The first one was The Death ofMy House.
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which was nine years ago.
Thank you.
We were in business together.
We lived together for 20 years.
And when he passed away, the,you know, dealing with the
attorneys and the properties andhis family and when he was sick,
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even the medical issues, thankGod we were married at the time
because if we weren't, it wouldhave been a lot worse.
So I decided, I mean, eventhough even at that point, after
all that happened, it took threeyears to complete the will and
get that all situated.
And I just said, you know,somebody needs to tell other gay
people that this is what you'regoing to go through as a gay
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person.
I mean, I even had the attorneyask for my marriage license to
prove that I was really,
SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
that we were really married.
And you know, they would neverdo that with, and I
SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
asked them that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
It's ridiculous.
Yeah.
So, I I mean, again, mycondolences out to you, you
know, on the death of yourhusband.
But so did you guys put yourestate planning documents in
prior to him getting sick or?
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Yes, we did.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (03:12):
Got
SPEAKER_01 (03:12):
it.
Oh, yeah.
He had wills, the will done.
Everything was, you know, linedup perfectly.
I mean, there was, you know,from the time he got sick to the
time he died, there was twoyears.
So everything was plannedperfectly.
However, his family, you know,when there's a death and there's
money involved, people change.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
For
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
sure.
One hundred percent.
You know, and it just, you know,I considered them family at the
time, but I haven't spoken tothem since.
So, you know, that kind ofexplains that situation.
SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
So none of my business, really.
But let me ask you this.
When it came to a service anddeciding, maybe again, this was
all in the will, but was thereany dispute on, let's say,
whether he wanted to be crematedor buried at a certain place or,
you know, how?
Oh, yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
there was a lot of discussion on that, but I knew
exactly what he wanted and I didexactly what he wanted.
So regardless of what anybodyelse wanted.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
And did they come to a service that you guys had for
him or no?
They did.
Yeah.
Oh,
SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
okay.
And I think that was the lasttime I saw them.
SPEAKER_00 (04:15):
Got it.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, what's the pointreally, unless you were good
friends or something.
You
SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
know, I don't know.
And then after that, I mean, Ihave employees at my shop, the
dog grooming shop that I haveand a pet salon.
And I have a lot of girls thatwork for me.
And a couple of them are queer.
And one of, I mean, they makegood money, very good money.
And they always complain aboutdebt.
(04:43):
And one day I just said to oneof them, I said, you know, you
make way too much money to behaving debt.
And she said, I know, but I justcan't handle it.
I can't.
Because you're a certifiedfinancial planner, right?
(05:03):
Yeah.
And that's my big thing is, youknow, don't ignore it and move
forward.
Let's sit down.
Let's look at it.
Let's see how we can take careof this.
And so I've done that with mostof my employees at this point.
That's great.
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
That's great.
SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
And
SPEAKER_00 (05:21):
I mean, the straight ones and the queer ones.
I mean, is that all youremployees?
That's what you're saying?
All of them, regardless of theirorientation?
Is that what you said?
Yes.
Oh, that's great.
I mean, honestly, that'sfantastic.
Are they more geared like yourbook, I kind of felt like your
book was geared towards that,you know, the 20 somethings, not
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that it is
SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
because they're all in their twenties.
And it just shocked me that theydon't even know how to write a
check or go into a bank andwrite a deposit slip.
Or, I mean, they have no conceptof any of that, that, that
still, you know, I mean, I knowthe world has changed and
there's banking and all thisstuff, but it is still important
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to be known at a bank.
Right.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (06:09):
Yes.
100%.
In fact, I'm, I'm kind ofletting the cat out of the bag a
little bit here, but one of myepisodes coming up here is going
to talk about, you know, thestrategies towards opening a
business and some of the do'sand don'ts and how to kind of
get up and running.
But so that's great.
Yeah.
Because there are so manypitfalls and like a friend of
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mine, I mean, I shouldn't even,this is opening a can of worms,
but like she's getting ready,wants to open a business and yet
she wants to Right.
Right.
(06:58):
Unnecessary episode, in myopinion.
But going back to you, let's goback to your book.
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else they're like i whatever youjust said i'm completely
paralyzed by fear because idon't know what i'm doing and
that just sounds like way toomuch for me right now right but
i liked in your book how yousaid a lot of things and to me
it felt very comforting and idon't want to really sound too
(07:49):
patronizing but hand-holdingthat's kind of the feeling i got
Well, that's nice, yeah.
And I guess, again, because whenyou're talking to a certain
demographic, I would think thatthat would be comforting.
SPEAKER_01 (08:04):
Yeah, that was always in my head, the 20
somethings that, you know, haveno idea how to handle money.
And so I was trying to put it ina way that's not judgmental in
any way.
And that, you know, hopefully,you know, you can grasp like one
concept and then it moves intoanother.
SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
Yeah, yeah.
And plus, in the online bookthat I bought, you have the link
so you can click on the area offocus that you want to read.
So, you know, that takes youthere a super fast.
If you don't want to go into,let's say budgeting, you want to
learn about, about investing orwhatever.
Right.
So I wanted to
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
be used as a resource.
Correct.
SPEAKER_00 (08:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's really cool.
So how long has the bookactually been out?
SPEAKER_01 (08:49):
When did we launch in July?
SPEAKER_00 (08:51):
Oh, okay.
So pretty recent.
Got it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
Yeah.
It's fairly recent.
Yeah.
It's been weeks now in thatmonth.
SPEAKER_00 (08:57):
Yeah.
Well, I think it's still timelyand you know, in this current
environment, I, I sort of, harpon the fact that, as you
mentioned, estate planning is soimportant because we know that
with this administration,anything can happen.
And if they pull the rug outfrom underneath this in terms of
overturning gay marriage, thenthat's going to be a problem for
(09:19):
a lot of people.
Correct.
Yes.
Yeah.
And actually,
SPEAKER_01 (09:24):
I'll share a little personal stuff with you, too, is
that my boyfriend and I had justtalked about getting married and
we're going to get married onthe 22nd.
So we from tomorrow.
So we've been together for acouple of years and, you know,
are we moving it up a littlequickly because of the Supreme
Court's decision?
Probably quicker than we wouldhave.
(09:46):
Right.
But I we think that it'sprobably prudent to do that now.
SPEAKER_00 (09:50):
Right.
Right.
Right.
And, you know, online, what Imean is I know that there are
gay lawyers, et cetera, that areputting information out there
and creating strategies to helppeople shore up their estate
planning documents.
And what I mean by estateplanning documents is, of
course, your normal will, powersof attorney, you know, living
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will, those kind of things.
But, you know, there are otherdocuments.
In fact, one of these attorneys,she put together nine essential
documents that you need and theyI don't know exactly where she's
located at but like she even putout there that you can sign up
online and go through this andit's reviewed by real attorneys
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and based on where you live thenthey may consult with an
attorney who's licensed in thatstate to make sure you know all
their I's are dotted T's arecrossed because states have
weird you know requirements on alot of different things you know
so you don't want to find out oryou may not even find out your
loved ones may find out that,hey, we didn't do this right.
And now when the time comes,your document's basically
(10:56):
worthless, you know, so.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:59):
Yeah.
That's when the term marriageand husband comes into play,
where you need that, you know,but.
SPEAKER_00 (11:07):
You know, another thing that I noticed in your
book was the theme ofdiscrimination.
You mentioned that a few times,and I was curious.
Now, have you experienced a lotdiscrimination in your life
yourself or have you had a lotof friends that have experienced
(11:27):
this and that's why it becamemore relevant for you
SPEAKER_01 (11:31):
I was yes I worked for a retail company and I was
in management and at that time Iwas oh god in my 20s I'm
assuming and I wasn't I wasn'tout at that time and I did There
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was not, there were, there werenot rules about dating inside
the company.
And I started seeing one of theguys that was there who was an
employee and the word got outand yeah, I was let go.
So yeah.
Just
SPEAKER_00 (12:04):
like that.
SPEAKER_01 (12:05):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (12:06):
What did they say to you?
SPEAKER_01 (12:08):
Well, they made up a story that was not true and
blah, blah, blah.
So, I mean, you know, I, did Iconsult an attorney?
Yes.
And, you know, could we havetaken it further?
Yes.
Could I have gotten probably,but you know, at that point I
was in my twenties and I waslike, you know what, let's just
move on.
Yeah.
Right.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (12:27):
And who knows?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that, that sucks.
That's all I can say.
That really sucks.
And, you know, because like youeven mentioned in your book,
it's not always as easy.
easy to spot, you know,sometimes it's very subversive
and you know, they, behind thescenes are like, well, we don't
want this, you know, guy hereanymore.
Let's get him out.
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So that sucks.
SPEAKER_01 (12:49):
Um, however, you know, when I went into business
for myself, I, I have found thatit was, it was definitely a plus
being authentic.
People attract to that more thannot being authentic.
And so I, you know, it waseasier to be myself.
I, I found.
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
And you mean in like in, With business relations.
Owning my
SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
own business with clients and, you know, it just,
you know, it seemed to be betterfor me to be authentic and be
real.
SPEAKER_00 (13:18):
I think people can tell when you're hiding
something.
Yeah.
Because you just sort of areevasive and you give that, you
know, vibe out that somethingis, you know, not right.
And you're like, hmm.
Right.
I don't know.
That's always my fallback, too,because I, you know, it's kind
of, it is difficult to come out.
(13:38):
right?
I mean, it just sucks.
It sucks.
You know, straight people neverhave to come out.
They just start, you know, theygo about their damn business
every day.
They don't have to have thatconversation with mom and dad or
the bank or anybody, you know,they just go about their daily
lives.
We almost every interaction.
We're like, Oh my God, here wego again.
Here we go again.
SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
Yeah.
Like when you make anappointment at the bank, you
have to say, well, my, myhusband and I are coming over
and you know, you feel the needto say that before you come in.
So it's not like a shock.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
And you know, recently I did a an episode
about I did an experimentapplying for life insurance
because I wanted to show thedifference in like those come
all life insurance plans likethe colonial life and whatever
and then you know you get aquote from one company you get a
quote from another company andyou know life insurance doesn't
have a price tag on it and soit's difficult for a lot of
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people the average person evenyou know professionals to really
ascertain you know are is this agood price that I'm getting you
know is this premium reasonablewhat is the cost And anyway,
when I was getting a quote fromthis one company, we got to the
point of him asking the agentasking me about, you know, who's
going to be the beneficiary.
Right.
And I said, well, the person I'mgoing to have Dalton be the
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beneficiary, which is myhusband.
I didn't even really think aboutit.
I should have said, you know, myhusband, but I didn't.
I said, well, I'm going to haveI think I put Dalton Hager on
there.
He's like, oh, OK, your wife.
And I'm like, and I was going toI was tempting to jump in.
But he's one of those peoplethat it's hard to get a word in
edgewise.
because they're constantlytalking and I was like what
uh-huh yeah and he's like isthat DALT I'm like yeah it's
(15:15):
DALT okay well I'm like I'm justgonna give up I'm just gonna let
it ride because it doesn'treally matter and like he told
me anyways like yeah well thisis just for the application
process and as soon as this goesthrough you can change it to
whoever you want I'm like rightokay well yeah I'll fight that
battle later on down the road ifI have to but I'd rather just
(15:36):
get off this call right now butthat's here nor there But, you
know, again, you know, with yourbook, I really liked, again,
that there are so many reallyimportant pieces that I think
that touch the average personthat they really should know
about and have the ability, likeyou said, to use your book as a
tool sort of to go back to andgo, uh-huh, I did that.
(15:57):
And this is how that works kindof thing.
UNKNOWN (15:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:01):
Yeah, that was my goal when I wrote it.
And, you know, it took me awhile to get it all together.
Not bad, not
SPEAKER_02 (16:09):
bad.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
You know, and we cut a lot out, but, you know, it
still, it says what I needed itto say, so.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
Well, and isn't it close to 400 pages?
It's 230, something like that.
Okay, well, I did double itfront and back, but.
SPEAKER_01 (16:28):
If I left everything in, it would have been 400.
SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
Yeah, because I mean, you could wrap your arms
around a million things andoverwhelm.
Correct.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
Right.
Yeah.
But like I said, from what I gotfrom it, it is a it really boils
a lot of things down to, youknow, the essentials.
And it doesn't, you know,obviously take the place of
getting.
a experienced financial advisorto work with you face to face.
I recommend
SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
everybody get one.
I have two myself.
So yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
And how did you pick yours?
SPEAKER_01 (17:02):
I picked my, mine was actually a friend who used
to come to our home and we haddinner with him and his wife
many, many, many times.
And so he, he knew me and heknew us and I've had him for
years.
So he's definitely, he'sprobably the main one.
And I have another one and sheis part of the queer community.
SPEAKER_00 (17:25):
Oh, nice.
Nice.
SPEAKER_01 (17:27):
Yeah.
I do prefer to have attorneysand who, who are, I mean, I hate
to say prefer, but who are partof the community queer community
or who know me personally, or,you know, just so they, they
know who I am and what I mightneed.
So,
SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
and, you know, that's really the essence of
this podcast too.
Cause when I tell people, youknow, I run a podcast about
money and it's, you know, allabout money from a queer
perspective and they're like,well, what makes money gay?
I'm like, nothing, nothing makesmoney gay.
Okay.
Green.
It's green.
You know, but like when you goto your doctor, right.
Who do you want sticking afinger in your face?
up your butt and looking at allyour private parts a woman maybe
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if you're you know a woman butmaybe you want a man but maybe
you don't want a straight manright because they're kind of
weird and then maybe you wouldrather feel more comfortable
with a gay man who's like yeah iknow where you're coming from
right and i'm not going to judgeyou based on whatever you're
you're doing or going through ifyour husband wants to come in
here and sit with you okaywhatever you know i don't care
(18:28):
that's my opinion that's how isee things so yeah and when
you're Absolutely.
Yeah.
And that can stretch to, likeyou said, all things, a realtor,
everything.
Yeah.
They're hard to find though.
You know, they really are.
SPEAKER_01 (18:40):
They are.
Yeah.
You really have to search.
SPEAKER_00 (18:45):
Yes.
Yeah.
I wish it was easier.
SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
Yeah.
You know, yeah, it should be,but maybe we should make it
easier somehow.
SPEAKER_00 (18:55):
Yeah.
I mean, I think probably somepeople out of fear that, you
know, maybe they'll get targetor something would rather not
have their, you know,orientation out there.
And I, I get that, you know, toeach their own, but you know, I
get it.
It's also hard, you know, whenother people are like, they
want, they're, they're seekingout somebody who's part of the
community, you know, then itbecomes more difficult.
SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
Yeah, and I did not expect, speaking of that being
comfortable, putting the whole,how many people have said to me
online and other places, why isit just for gay people?
And there have been many, manynegative comments, as you can
(19:39):
imagine, more than I thought Iwould get.
Had to block a lot of people.
So, I mean, there is, you know,there's still that, it's still
So,
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
you know, that's my point.
(20:18):
hear this stuff on TV, and I'mlike, God, where are we going?
Backwards.
Totally going backwards.
It sucks.
SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
But I'm still going to press forward, and we all
should.
SPEAKER_00 (20:27):
Yeah, why should you shut down, right?
You know, when June was here,yeah, I put my flag out, I don't
care, and there's like threepeople on my block flying their
Trump flags, and I don't care.
I don't care at all.
So, suck
SPEAKER_01 (20:40):
it.
I do the same thing.
I don't care.
Absolutely.
No, you're right.
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
But, you know, knock on wood, I never had anybody do
anything you know, destructiveor threatening to me or
anything.
But, you know, one thing thatdid happen to me when I had my,
uh, flag out on, you know, myhouse is that I had two separate
lesbian couples come out, comeout, come up to me completely
(21:04):
out of the blue.
And they were like, Oh my God,we saw your flag.
And we're so glad, you know,that we have some allies here,
you know, somebody else in thecommunity.
And they were like, yeah, wejust want to say thanks for
doing that.
I'm like, Oh, Oh, well you'rewelcome.
I'm glad you like it, and I'mglad it makes you feel more
comfortable because good foryou.
And they're like,
SPEAKER_01 (21:24):
yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (21:25):
but your
SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
neighbor's got his Trump flag.
I'm like, yeah, don't worryabout that.
I do the same thing.
I do the same thing in Florida,so, you
SPEAKER_00 (21:31):
know.
Yeah, oh, my God, Florida.
That's another.
My sister lives there, and Idon't even know how she does it,
quite frankly.
I don't know.
She's been there a long time,but I.
And even you.
I'm like, it's pretty, but.
Well, I live in Texas, so it'snot much different, so.
SPEAKER_01 (21:45):
Yeah, well, I mean, my state that I live in is New
York.
So I'm only in Florida.
I'm in Florida quite a bit now,but
SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (21:53):
you know, I, well, I always say Florida's got a lot
of problems, but the weather isnot one of them.
That's the only thing I can sayto people.
So,
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
you know, in my opinion, I know I'm getting way
off track, but that's okay.
When I went to Hawaii and I wentto Kauai and I was a big
traveler, like back in mytwenties and thirties.
And as time marches on, I justseem to be traveling less.
But anyway, I decided to go toFlorida.
I mean, uh, Hawaii, I'd neverbeen.
And a friend of mine was like,go to Kauai, go to kawaii i went
(22:19):
to kawaii and then i'm like iflew all this way over here for
rocks it's true what in theworld this is supposed to be the
garden island i'm like where arethe flowers where's the greenery
and i'm like i don't seeanything beautiful and this
beaches suck and the water's notclear i tell
SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
yeah
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
i don't get it i tell
SPEAKER_01 (22:36):
everybody that yeah
SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
and then i went to florida and i went to the beach
white sandy beaches blue wateryou know what you expect in
hawaii i'm like why did i flyall that way spending all that
money i should have It's
SPEAKER_01 (22:52):
true.
I don't get it.
SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
I really hope that it does well because I know that
it's really needed.
It really is needed.
And it is aimed at, you know,the LGBTQ community.
And you do get some very helpfuland insightful information.
At least that's what I took fromit.
And I hope others take from ittoo.
I got it on Amazon, like I said,but is it available, you know,
(23:41):
everywhere?
It
SPEAKER_01 (23:43):
is available.
It is available almosteverywhere.
Yes, correct.
And the audio book should beout.
I think it was releasedyesterday.
SPEAKER_00 (23:51):
Oh, an audio book.
So you sat down and recorded it?
I did.
That's great.
And you could get that on Amazontoo?
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
I believe so.
Correct.
SPEAKER_00 (24:01):
That's really cool.
That's a great idea.
Yeah, that's a really good idea.
SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
Yeah, the whole book thing is very new to me.
So I just trust my publisher todo the right thing.
SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
Well, you know, I'm sure that it's, I think that
it's going to do well.
And I think those things thatyou just described i think will
really be helpful because ithink on all formats it should
be available and people shouldbe able to get the information
they need from whatever you knowresource they it works for them
so yeah good
SPEAKER_01 (24:31):
for yeah my goal is just to basically help the queer
community and do the best i canto do that
SPEAKER_00 (24:38):
so well it sounds like you are i mean you said you
got businesses and you're outand about and you've written
this book and you know you'reeven moving forward with getting
married and you know being yourauthor authentic self and flying
your flag.
So that's, I think, I don't knowthat anybody can ask any more of
you.
So I think that's great.
Yeah.
That's my two cents.
(24:58):
So I'm supportive, totallysupportive.
SPEAKER_01 (25:01):
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, any last thoughts you wantto leave us with?
SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
The only thought I had is just, you know, what I
usually say to people is thatsaving money and accruing
security is our best form ofprotest that I can think of.
So that you have the money tolive your life the way you want
to.
(25:29):
And that's it, really.
That's kind of the gist of itall.
SPEAKER_00 (25:33):
Yeah.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Because again, when you have thefinancial where with all, you
can withstand the up and downsof life.
And without that safety net,then you're at the whims of
other people and the conditionsthat are not always favorable to
you.
So best offense, good defense.
(25:55):
So that's what they say.
I'm not even a sports person,but well, I, I'm going to go
ahead and we're going to closethis episode out and you will, I
will post a LinkedIn to yourbook on Amazon, and I will do it
in the episode description.
So if you're listening to thisand you want to check it out,
(26:17):
you can certainly go to Amazonand look for Gregory True and
his book, or you could click onthe link and see or get it that
way, whichever format you wantto get it.
And remember, it's called ProudWealth, Building Abundance on
Your Own Terms.
So it's, like I said, a greatbook.
And I think I have a picture ofit.
(26:38):
picture of it on, on my websiteas well.
So if you go towww.pinkmoneypodcast.com, I
think I put it under resourcesor it'll be in the episode
description and go ahead.
What were you gonna say?
SPEAKER_01 (26:54):
Nope.
I also have an Instagram proudwealth as well, where I give
lots of advice.
So you might want to check thatout as well.
SPEAKER_00 (27:01):
Oh, for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
Social media these days is justthe key to reaching everybody.
I don't know why, but it justis.
It is.
I don't know.
Just the way of the world.
And I'm not even great at it,but, you know, I'm trying to get
up to speed, and it's likepushing a rock uphill for me,
but I'm trying.
It's tough.
(27:21):
I mean, yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
you know, yeah, it is.
Especially when you're in your50s, it's tough, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:26):
Yeah, and, you know, people in their 20s, they don't
think anything about it.
I'm like...
SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
No, they don't.
SPEAKER_00 (27:32):
How?
How do you just not...
I don't know how you...
You're just fearless, I guess.
And me, I'm like...
Always hesitant to doeverything.
I don't know what's wrong withme.
I can't seem to make it work,but I'm always asking for help,
but whatever.
Anyway, I appreciate your timeand I appreciate you coming on
and you never know when we'llrun into each other again, but
(27:55):
yes, we will.
Yeah.
And thank you for having
SPEAKER_01 (27:57):
me.
I really appreciate
SPEAKER_00 (27:59):
it.
It's been my pleasure.
My pleasure.
So anyway, guys, a couple ofnotes about my podcast as well.
You'll notice some changes I'mrunning or I'm kidding.
ready to end season five andwe're heading into season six
and i'm going to make a a fewsignificant changes to a few
things but that's just a littleyou know planting a seed for the
(28:19):
future but again on my blogthere's a lot of information out
there on the website and alsoi'm launching on monday when
this episode gets released a newfeature on the website called
jerry's playlist and a bunch ofa bunch i'm releasing three
particular songs that you canlisten to on apple or spotify or
(28:40):
wherever and you know not musici made thank god because it
wouldn't be listenable too butthree songs that i really
resonate with the queercommunity i hope you like them
and you listen to them and giveme your feedback because i would
really appreciate it but that'shere or there so i will talk to
you all next time so
So,
SPEAKER_00 (00:20):
Hey, hello, hello, hello, and welcome to the Pink
Money Podcast, and I'm yourhost, Jerry Williams, and we
talk about all things related tomoney from the gay perspective.
And today, I have a guest who'sgoing to join me.
His name is Gregory True, and hehas written a book.
And I have bought it, and I'veread a lot of it.
I haven't read it cover tocover, but it's really a great
(00:42):
book that really walks youthrough, you know, kind of the A
to Z in terms of achievingfinancial success.
But the book is called ProudWealth Building Abundance on
Your Own Terms by Gregory True.
So you can find it on Amazon.
That's how I found it.
But hey, welcome, Greg.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01):
Hey, thank you.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you for inviting me.
I really appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:05):
Yeah, it's, it's super exciting because, you
know, I always love when thingsare aimed directly at the queer
community and believe me thatword, I'm still trying to adjust
myself too.
So
SPEAKER_01 (01:18):
if
SPEAKER_00 (01:19):
I slip in and out with gay or LGBT, no, it's not
meant to offend anyone.
I know people have very strongopinions about that, but I'm
going to just kind of go withwhat falls out naturally to me.
So anyway, can you tell me alittle bit about yourself and
what prompted you to actuallywrite this book?
SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
Yes, a good question.
I am a queer entrepreneur.
I've been in, I have multiplebusinesses right now and rental
properties and multiple homesand all that stuff.
And there were two things in mylife that prompted me to think
about writing a book like this.
The first one was The Death ofMy House.
(02:01):
which was nine years ago.
Thank you.
We were in business together.
We lived together for 20 years.
And when he passed away, the,you know, dealing with the
attorneys and the properties andhis family and when he was sick,
(02:23):
even the medical issues, thankGod we were married at the time
because if we weren't, it wouldhave been a lot worse.
So I decided, I mean, eventhough even at that point, after
all that happened, it took threeyears to complete the will and
get that all situated.
And I just said, you know,somebody needs to tell other gay
people that this is what you'regoing to go through as a gay
(02:44):
person.
I mean, I even had the attorneyask for my marriage license to
prove that I was really,
SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
that we were really married.
And you know, they would neverdo that with, and I
SPEAKER_01 (02:57):
asked them that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
It's ridiculous.
Yeah.
So, I I mean, again, mycondolences out to you, you
know, on the death of yourhusband.
But so did you guys put yourestate planning documents in
prior to him getting sick or?
SPEAKER_01 (03:10):
Yes, we did.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (03:12):
Got
SPEAKER_01 (03:12):
it.
Oh, yeah.
He had wills, the will done.
Everything was, you know, linedup perfectly.
I mean, there was, you know,from the time he got sick to the
time he died, there was twoyears.
So everything was plannedperfectly.
However, his family, you know,when there's a death and there's
money involved, people change.
SPEAKER_02 (03:30):
For
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
sure.
One hundred percent.
You know, and it just, you know,I considered them family at the
time, but I haven't spoken tothem since.
So, you know, that kind ofexplains that situation.
SPEAKER_00 (03:42):
So none of my business, really.
But let me ask you this.
When it came to a service anddeciding, maybe again, this was
all in the will, but was thereany dispute on, let's say,
whether he wanted to be crematedor buried at a certain place or,
you know, how?
Oh, yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
there was a lot of discussion on that, but I knew
exactly what he wanted and I didexactly what he wanted.
So regardless of what anybodyelse wanted.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
And did they come to a service that you guys had for
him or no?
They did.
Yeah.
Oh,
SPEAKER_01 (04:13):
okay.
And I think that was the lasttime I saw them.
SPEAKER_00 (04:15):
Got it.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, what's the pointreally, unless you were good
friends or something.
You
SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
know, I don't know.
And then after that, I mean, Ihave employees at my shop, the
dog grooming shop that I haveand a pet salon.
And I have a lot of girls thatwork for me.
And a couple of them are queer.
And one of, I mean, they makegood money, very good money.
And they always complain aboutdebt.
(04:43):
And one day I just said to oneof them, I said, you know, you
make way too much money to behaving debt.
And she said, I know, but I justcan't handle it.
I can't.
Because you're a certifiedfinancial planner, right?
(05:03):
Yeah.
And that's my big thing is, youknow, don't ignore it and move
forward.
Let's sit down.
Let's look at it.
Let's see how we can take careof this.
And so I've done that with mostof my employees at this point.
That's great.
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
That's great.
SPEAKER_01 (05:20):
And
SPEAKER_00 (05:21):
I mean, the straight ones and the queer ones.
I mean, is that all youremployees?
That's what you're saying?
All of them, regardless of theirorientation?
Is that what you said?
Yes.
Oh, that's great.
I mean, honestly, that'sfantastic.
Are they more geared like yourbook, I kind of felt like your
book was geared towards that,you know, the 20 somethings, not
(05:43):
that it is
SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
because they're all in their twenties.
And it just shocked me that theydon't even know how to write a
check or go into a bank andwrite a deposit slip.
Or, I mean, they have no conceptof any of that, that, that
still, you know, I mean, I knowthe world has changed and
there's banking and all thisstuff, but it is still important
(06:05):
to be known at a bank.
Right.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (06:09):
Yes.
100%.
In fact, I'm, I'm kind ofletting the cat out of the bag a
little bit here, but one of myepisodes coming up here is going
to talk about, you know, thestrategies towards opening a
business and some of the do'sand don'ts and how to kind of
get up and running.
But so that's great.
Yeah.
Because there are so manypitfalls and like a friend of
(06:29):
mine, I mean, I shouldn't even,this is opening a can of worms,
but like she's getting ready,wants to open a business and yet
she wants to Right.
Right.
(06:58):
Unnecessary episode, in myopinion.
But going back to you, let's goback to your book.
(07:28):
else they're like i whatever youjust said i'm completely
paralyzed by fear because idon't know what i'm doing and
that just sounds like way toomuch for me right now right but
i liked in your book how yousaid a lot of things and to me
it felt very comforting and idon't want to really sound too
(07:49):
patronizing but hand-holdingthat's kind of the feeling i got
Well, that's nice, yeah.
And I guess, again, because whenyou're talking to a certain
demographic, I would think thatthat would be comforting.
SPEAKER_01 (08:04):
Yeah, that was always in my head, the 20
somethings that, you know, haveno idea how to handle money.
And so I was trying to put it ina way that's not judgmental in
any way.
And that, you know, hopefully,you know, you can grasp like one
concept and then it moves intoanother.
SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
Yeah, yeah.
And plus, in the online bookthat I bought, you have the link
so you can click on the area offocus that you want to read.
So, you know, that takes youthere a super fast.
If you don't want to go into,let's say budgeting, you want to
learn about, about investing orwhatever.
Right.
So I wanted to
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
be used as a resource.
Correct.
SPEAKER_00 (08:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that's really cool.
So how long has the bookactually been out?
SPEAKER_01 (08:49):
When did we launch in July?
SPEAKER_00 (08:51):
Oh, okay.
So pretty recent.
Got it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
Yeah.
It's fairly recent.
Yeah.
It's been weeks now in thatmonth.
SPEAKER_00 (08:57):
Yeah.
Well, I think it's still timelyand you know, in this current
environment, I, I sort of, harpon the fact that, as you
mentioned, estate planning is soimportant because we know that
with this administration,anything can happen.
And if they pull the rug outfrom underneath this in terms of
overturning gay marriage, thenthat's going to be a problem for
(09:19):
a lot of people.
Correct.
Yes.
Yeah.
And actually,
SPEAKER_01 (09:24):
I'll share a little personal stuff with you, too, is
that my boyfriend and I had justtalked about getting married and
we're going to get married onthe 22nd.
So we from tomorrow.
So we've been together for acouple of years and, you know,
are we moving it up a littlequickly because of the Supreme
Court's decision?
Probably quicker than we wouldhave.
(09:46):
Right.
But I we think that it'sprobably prudent to do that now.
SPEAKER_00 (09:50):
Right.
Right.
Right.
And, you know, online, what Imean is I know that there are
gay lawyers, et cetera, that areputting information out there
and creating strategies to helppeople shore up their estate
planning documents.
And what I mean by estateplanning documents is, of
course, your normal will, powersof attorney, you know, living
(10:12):
will, those kind of things.
But, you know, there are otherdocuments.
In fact, one of these attorneys,she put together nine essential
documents that you need and theyI don't know exactly where she's
located at but like she even putout there that you can sign up
online and go through this andit's reviewed by real attorneys
(10:34):
and based on where you live thenthey may consult with an
attorney who's licensed in thatstate to make sure you know all
their I's are dotted T's arecrossed because states have
weird you know requirements on alot of different things you know
so you don't want to find out oryou may not even find out your
loved ones may find out that,hey, we didn't do this right.
And now when the time comes,your document's basically
(10:56):
worthless, you know, so.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:59):
Yeah.
That's when the term marriageand husband comes into play,
where you need that, you know,but.
SPEAKER_00 (11:07):
You know, another thing that I noticed in your
book was the theme ofdiscrimination.
You mentioned that a few times,and I was curious.
Now, have you experienced a lotdiscrimination in your life
yourself or have you had a lotof friends that have experienced
(11:27):
this and that's why it becamemore relevant for you
SPEAKER_01 (11:31):
I was yes I worked for a retail company and I was
in management and at that time Iwas oh god in my 20s I'm
assuming and I wasn't I wasn'tout at that time and I did There
(11:51):
was not, there were, there werenot rules about dating inside
the company.
And I started seeing one of theguys that was there who was an
employee and the word got outand yeah, I was let go.
So yeah.
Just
SPEAKER_00 (12:04):
like that.
SPEAKER_01 (12:05):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (12:06):
What did they say to you?
SPEAKER_01 (12:08):
Well, they made up a story that was not true and
blah, blah, blah.
So, I mean, you know, I, did Iconsult an attorney?
Yes.
And, you know, could we havetaken it further?
Yes.
Could I have gotten probably,but you know, at that point I
was in my twenties and I waslike, you know what, let's just
move on.
Yeah.
Right.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (12:27):
And who knows?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that, that sucks.
That's all I can say.
That really sucks.
And, you know, because like youeven mentioned in your book,
it's not always as easy.
easy to spot, you know,sometimes it's very subversive
and you know, they, behind thescenes are like, well, we don't
want this, you know, guy hereanymore.
Let's get him out.
(12:48):
So that sucks.
SPEAKER_01 (12:49):
Um, however, you know, when I went into business
for myself, I, I have found thatit was, it was definitely a plus
being authentic.
People attract to that more thannot being authentic.
And so I, you know, it waseasier to be myself.
I, I found.
SPEAKER_00 (13:07):
And you mean in like in, With business relations.
Owning my
SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
own business with clients and, you know, it just,
you know, it seemed to be betterfor me to be authentic and be
real.
SPEAKER_00 (13:18):
I think people can tell when you're hiding
something.
Yeah.
Because you just sort of areevasive and you give that, you
know, vibe out that somethingis, you know, not right.
And you're like, hmm.
Right.
I don't know.
That's always my fallback, too,because I, you know, it's kind
of, it is difficult to come out.
(13:38):
right?
I mean, it just sucks.
It sucks.
You know, straight people neverhave to come out.
They just start, you know, theygo about their damn business
every day.
They don't have to have thatconversation with mom and dad or
the bank or anybody, you know,they just go about their daily
lives.
We almost every interaction.
We're like, Oh my God, here wego again.
Here we go again.
SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
Yeah.
Like when you make anappointment at the bank, you
have to say, well, my, myhusband and I are coming over
and you know, you feel the needto say that before you come in.
So it's not like a shock.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:08):
And you know, recently I did a an episode
about I did an experimentapplying for life insurance
because I wanted to show thedifference in like those come
all life insurance plans likethe colonial life and whatever
and then you know you get aquote from one company you get a
quote from another company andyou know life insurance doesn't
have a price tag on it and soit's difficult for a lot of
(14:29):
people the average person evenyou know professionals to really
ascertain you know are is this agood price that I'm getting you
know is this premium reasonablewhat is the cost And anyway,
when I was getting a quote fromthis one company, we got to the
point of him asking the agentasking me about, you know, who's
going to be the beneficiary.
Right.
And I said, well, the person I'mgoing to have Dalton be the
(14:53):
beneficiary, which is myhusband.
I didn't even really think aboutit.
I should have said, you know, myhusband, but I didn't.
I said, well, I'm going to haveI think I put Dalton Hager on
there.
He's like, oh, OK, your wife.
And I'm like, and I was going toI was tempting to jump in.
But he's one of those peoplethat it's hard to get a word in
edgewise.
because they're constantlytalking and I was like what
uh-huh yeah and he's like isthat DALT I'm like yeah it's
(15:15):
DALT okay well I'm like I'm justgonna give up I'm just gonna let
it ride because it doesn'treally matter and like he told
me anyways like yeah well thisis just for the application
process and as soon as this goesthrough you can change it to
whoever you want I'm like rightokay well yeah I'll fight that
battle later on down the road ifI have to but I'd rather just
(15:36):
get off this call right now butthat's here nor there But, you
know, again, you know, with yourbook, I really liked, again,
that there are so many reallyimportant pieces that I think
that touch the average personthat they really should know
about and have the ability, likeyou said, to use your book as a
tool sort of to go back to andgo, uh-huh, I did that.
(15:57):
And this is how that works kindof thing.
UNKNOWN (15:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:01):
Yeah, that was my goal when I wrote it.
And, you know, it took me awhile to get it all together.
Not bad, not
SPEAKER_02 (16:09):
bad.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
You know, and we cut a lot out, but, you know, it
still, it says what I needed itto say, so.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
Well, and isn't it close to 400 pages?
It's 230, something like that.
Okay, well, I did double itfront and back, but.
SPEAKER_01 (16:28):
If I left everything in, it would have been 400.
SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
Yeah, because I mean, you could wrap your arms
around a million things andoverwhelm.
Correct.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
Right.
Yeah.
But like I said, from what I gotfrom it, it is a it really boils
a lot of things down to, youknow, the essentials.
And it doesn't, you know,obviously take the place of
getting.
a experienced financial advisorto work with you face to face.
I recommend
SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
everybody get one.
I have two myself.
So yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
And how did you pick yours?
SPEAKER_01 (17:02):
I picked my, mine was actually a friend who used
to come to our home and we haddinner with him and his wife
many, many, many times.
And so he, he knew me and heknew us and I've had him for
years.
So he's definitely, he'sprobably the main one.
And I have another one and sheis part of the queer community.
SPEAKER_00 (17:25):
Oh, nice.
Nice.
SPEAKER_01 (17:27):
Yeah.
I do prefer to have attorneysand who, who are, I mean, I hate
to say prefer, but who are partof the community queer community
or who know me personally, or,you know, just so they, they
know who I am and what I mightneed.
So,
SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
and, you know, that's really the essence of
this podcast too.
Cause when I tell people, youknow, I run a podcast about
money and it's, you know, allabout money from a queer
perspective and they're like,well, what makes money gay?
I'm like, nothing, nothing makesmoney gay.
Okay.
Green.
It's green.
You know, but like when you goto your doctor, right.
Who do you want sticking afinger in your face?
up your butt and looking at allyour private parts a woman maybe
(18:06):
if you're you know a woman butmaybe you want a man but maybe
you don't want a straight manright because they're kind of
weird and then maybe you wouldrather feel more comfortable
with a gay man who's like yeah iknow where you're coming from
right and i'm not going to judgeyou based on whatever you're
you're doing or going through ifyour husband wants to come in
here and sit with you okaywhatever you know i don't care
(18:28):
that's my opinion that's how isee things so yeah and when
you're Absolutely.
Yeah.
And that can stretch to, likeyou said, all things, a realtor,
everything.
Yeah.
They're hard to find though.
You know, they really are.
SPEAKER_01 (18:40):
They are.
Yeah.
You really have to search.
SPEAKER_00 (18:45):
Yes.
Yeah.
I wish it was easier.
SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
Yeah.
You know, yeah, it should be,but maybe we should make it
easier somehow.
SPEAKER_00 (18:55):
Yeah.
I mean, I think probably somepeople out of fear that, you
know, maybe they'll get targetor something would rather not
have their, you know,orientation out there.
And I, I get that, you know, toeach their own, but you know, I
get it.
It's also hard, you know, whenother people are like, they
want, they're, they're seekingout somebody who's part of the
community, you know, then itbecomes more difficult.
SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
Yeah, and I did not expect, speaking of that being
comfortable, putting the whole,how many people have said to me
online and other places, why isit just for gay people?
And there have been many, manynegative comments, as you can
(19:39):
imagine, more than I thought Iwould get.
Had to block a lot of people.
So, I mean, there is, you know,there's still that, it's still
So,
SPEAKER_00 (19:52):
you know, that's my point.
(20:18):
hear this stuff on TV, and I'mlike, God, where are we going?
Backwards.
Totally going backwards.
It sucks.
SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
But I'm still going to press forward, and we all
should.
SPEAKER_00 (20:27):
Yeah, why should you shut down, right?
You know, when June was here,yeah, I put my flag out, I don't
care, and there's like threepeople on my block flying their
Trump flags, and I don't care.
I don't care at all.
So, suck
SPEAKER_01 (20:40):
it.
I do the same thing.
I don't care.
Absolutely.
No, you're right.
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
But, you know, knock on wood, I never had anybody do
anything you know, destructiveor threatening to me or
anything.
But, you know, one thing thatdid happen to me when I had my,
uh, flag out on, you know, myhouse is that I had two separate
lesbian couples come out, comeout, come up to me completely
(21:04):
out of the blue.
And they were like, Oh my God,we saw your flag.
And we're so glad, you know,that we have some allies here,
you know, somebody else in thecommunity.
And they were like, yeah, wejust want to say thanks for
doing that.
I'm like, Oh, Oh, well you'rewelcome.
I'm glad you like it, and I'mglad it makes you feel more
comfortable because good foryou.
And they're like,
SPEAKER_01 (21:24):
yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (21:25):
but your
SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
neighbor's got his Trump flag.
I'm like, yeah, don't worryabout that.
I do the same thing.
I do the same thing in Florida,so, you
SPEAKER_00 (21:31):
know.
Yeah, oh, my God, Florida.
That's another.
My sister lives there, and Idon't even know how she does it,
quite frankly.
I don't know.
She's been there a long time,but I.
And even you.
I'm like, it's pretty, but.
Well, I live in Texas, so it'snot much different, so.
SPEAKER_01 (21:45):
Yeah, well, I mean, my state that I live in is New
York.
So I'm only in Florida.
I'm in Florida quite a bit now,but
SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (21:53):
you know, I, well, I always say Florida's got a lot
of problems, but the weather isnot one of them.
That's the only thing I can sayto people.
So,
SPEAKER_00 (21:58):
you know, in my opinion, I know I'm getting way
off track, but that's okay.
When I went to Hawaii and I wentto Kauai and I was a big
traveler, like back in mytwenties and thirties.
And as time marches on, I justseem to be traveling less.
But anyway, I decided to go toFlorida.
I mean, uh, Hawaii, I'd neverbeen.
And a friend of mine was like,go to Kauai, go to kawaii i went
(22:19):
to kawaii and then i'm like iflew all this way over here for
rocks it's true what in theworld this is supposed to be the
garden island i'm like where arethe flowers where's the greenery
and i'm like i don't seeanything beautiful and this
beaches suck and the water's notclear i tell
SPEAKER_01 (22:35):
yeah
SPEAKER_00 (22:35):
i don't get it i tell
SPEAKER_01 (22:36):
everybody that yeah
SPEAKER_00 (22:37):
and then i went to florida and i went to the beach
white sandy beaches blue wateryou know what you expect in
hawaii i'm like why did i flyall that way spending all that
money i should have It's
SPEAKER_01 (22:52):
true.
I don't get it.
SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
I really hope that it does well because I know that
it's really needed.
It really is needed.
And it is aimed at, you know,the LGBTQ community.
And you do get some very helpfuland insightful information.
At least that's what I took fromit.
And I hope others take from ittoo.
I got it on Amazon, like I said,but is it available, you know,
(23:41):
everywhere?
It
SPEAKER_01 (23:43):
is available.
It is available almosteverywhere.
Yes, correct.
And the audio book should beout.
I think it was releasedyesterday.
SPEAKER_00 (23:51):
Oh, an audio book.
So you sat down and recorded it?
I did.
That's great.
And you could get that on Amazontoo?
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
I believe so.
Correct.
SPEAKER_00 (24:01):
That's really cool.
That's a great idea.
Yeah, that's a really good idea.
SPEAKER_01 (24:05):
Yeah, the whole book thing is very new to me.
So I just trust my publisher todo the right thing.
SPEAKER_00 (24:11):
Well, you know, I'm sure that it's, I think that
it's going to do well.
And I think those things thatyou just described i think will
really be helpful because ithink on all formats it should
be available and people shouldbe able to get the information
they need from whatever you knowresource they it works for them
so yeah good
SPEAKER_01 (24:31):
for yeah my goal is just to basically help the queer
community and do the best i canto do that
SPEAKER_00 (24:38):
so well it sounds like you are i mean you said you
got businesses and you're outand about and you've written
this book and you know you'reeven moving forward with getting
married and you know being yourauthor authentic self and flying
your flag.
So that's, I think, I don't knowthat anybody can ask any more of
you.
So I think that's great.
Yeah.
That's my two cents.
(24:58):
So I'm supportive, totallysupportive.
SPEAKER_01 (25:01):
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, any last thoughts you wantto leave us with?
SPEAKER_01 (25:08):
The only thought I had is just, you know, what I
usually say to people is thatsaving money and accruing
security is our best form ofprotest that I can think of.
So that you have the money tolive your life the way you want
to.
(25:29):
And that's it, really.
That's kind of the gist of itall.
SPEAKER_00 (25:33):
Yeah.
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Because again, when you have thefinancial where with all, you
can withstand the up and downsof life.
And without that safety net,then you're at the whims of
other people and the conditionsthat are not always favorable to
you.
So best offense, good defense.
(25:55):
So that's what they say.
I'm not even a sports person,but well, I, I'm going to go
ahead and we're going to closethis episode out and you will, I
will post a LinkedIn to yourbook on Amazon, and I will do it
in the episode description.
So if you're listening to thisand you want to check it out,
(26:17):
you can certainly go to Amazonand look for Gregory True and
his book, or you could click onthe link and see or get it that
way, whichever format you wantto get it.
And remember, it's called ProudWealth, Building Abundance on
Your Own Terms.
So it's, like I said, a greatbook.
And I think I have a picture ofit.
(26:38):
picture of it on, on my websiteas well.
So if you go towww.pinkmoneypodcast.com, I
think I put it under resourcesor it'll be in the episode
description and go ahead.
What were you gonna say?
SPEAKER_01 (26:54):
Nope.
I also have an Instagram proudwealth as well, where I give
lots of advice.
So you might want to check thatout as well.
SPEAKER_00 (27:01):
Oh, for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
Social media these days is justthe key to reaching everybody.
I don't know why, but it justis.
It is.
I don't know.
Just the way of the world.
And I'm not even great at it,but, you know, I'm trying to get
up to speed, and it's likepushing a rock uphill for me,
but I'm trying.
It's tough.
(27:21):
I mean, yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (27:22):
you know, yeah, it is.
Especially when you're in your50s, it's tough, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:26):
Yeah, and, you know, people in their 20s, they don't
think anything about it.
I'm like...
SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
No, they don't.
SPEAKER_00 (27:32):
How?
How do you just not...
I don't know how you...
You're just fearless, I guess.
And me, I'm like...
Always hesitant to doeverything.
I don't know what's wrong withme.
I can't seem to make it work,but I'm always asking for help,
but whatever.
Anyway, I appreciate your timeand I appreciate you coming on
and you never know when we'llrun into each other again, but
(27:55):
yes, we will.
Yeah.
And thank you for having
SPEAKER_01 (27:57):
me.
I really appreciate
SPEAKER_00 (27:59):
it.
It's been my pleasure.
My pleasure.
So anyway, guys, a couple ofnotes about my podcast as well.
You'll notice some changes I'mrunning or I'm kidding.
ready to end season five andwe're heading into season six
and i'm going to make a a fewsignificant changes to a few
things but that's just a littleyou know planting a seed for the
(28:19):
future but again on my blogthere's a lot of information out
there on the website and alsoi'm launching on monday when
this episode gets released a newfeature on the website called
jerry's playlist and a bunch ofa bunch i'm releasing three
particular songs that you canlisten to on apple or spotify or
(28:40):
wherever and you know not musici made thank god because it
wouldn't be listenable too butthree songs that i really
resonate with the queercommunity i hope you like them
and you listen to them and giveme your feedback because i would
really appreciate it but that'shere or there so i will talk to
you all next time so
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