Journaling and Scale Modeling with Steve Anderson: Episode 132

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The Voice of Bob (Baer) (00:12):
Welcome to Plastic Model Mojo, a
podcast dedicated to scalemodeling, as well as the news
and events around the hobby.
Let's join Mike and KentuckyDave as they strive to be
informative, entertaining andhelp you keep your modeling mojo
alive.

Mike (00:46):
All right folks, welcome to episode 132, our first
feature episode of the new year.
Happy New Year, dave.

Kentucky Dave (00:53):
Happy New Year, Mike.

Mike (00:54):
How are you doing?
Well, I guess you might as welljust give privacy to the wind.
I'm nursing a kidney stone,Dave.

Yes, not fun, Not fun at all.
Oh, I luckily have avoidedthose and we know several people
who suffer from them andthey're just not any fun, me too
, and his name is my dad.
Yeah, so you came by ithonestly.

Mike (01:24):
I came by it, honestly I came by it.

Honestly, I did Good to know.
Well, hopefully it won't moveduring the recording of this
episode.
We should hope not.

Mike (01:34):
Yep Well, Dave, that's not my model sphere, but what's up
in yours?

Well, not terribly much.
Well, not terribly much.
The last two weeks I havegotten very little done.
When I have gotten to the bench, I've been unmotivated, as you
well know, and as others knowwe've got in the last two weeks
we've gotten hit by a couple ofsnowstorms and unfortunately you

(02:04):
would think, oh great, there'sa foot of snow outside, just go
down to the hobby room and modelaway.
Well, that's not the way itworks.
You got to dig the cars out soeverybody can get everywhere,
and it just, you know.
Then you're dealing with allthe stuff, trying to make sure

(02:26):
that everything gets done thatneeds to get done, so that you
don't have pipes freeze or stufflike that.
So unfortunately, and part ofits motivation, I just have
found myself not motivated,particularly the the last week,

(02:47):
and so we gotta fix that.
Yeah, I know I've got to findmy mojo.
Well, I need to borrow a cup ofmojo from you, because you
apparently have mojo to spare.
So, what's up in your, what'sup in your model sphere?

Mike (03:02):
well other than riding the pain train.
Since about last Sunday withthis freaking kidney stone, I've
been working on the new look.
That's kind of rolling out andkind of in tandem with the new
website, which has not quiterolled out yet.
But we were wanting to test thelook of all our social media
versus the links on the stagingsite we're using.

(03:23):
So I went ahead and changed allthe dojo the PMM Facebook page,
the Patreon page and one otherwhat was it?
Oh, the merchandise store.
So I created new banners forthose.
Three of them look pretty good.
One of the Facebook ones reallydumbed down the image, so I'm
going to go ask our design teamfor their raw high-res image for

(03:44):
one of those line drawings wegot on there.
So it doesn't look bad, but itdoesn't look great either.
I'm not happy with it.

I'll be honest with you.
I was a little worried you weregetting lazy.
You weren't doing so well,other than the stuff for plastic
model mojo, how is your modelsphere?

Mike (04:04):
Ben, well, that is the model sphere man.
That's, uh, modeling related,getting this show up to the next
level.
Yeah, I've also been thinkingahead as to what project either
current or not started yet.
We'll take the forefront hereonce this float plane's done.
We'll talk about that shortly.
You know, I've been openingsome kit boxes and rustling some

(04:25):
parts and doing all that stuffwe all like to do.

Oh, there's nothing more fun Looking for
something new, right yeah,there's nothing more fun than
opening up a model box andfondling the kit parts.

Mike (04:38):
Man, so I got ideas.
We'll figure that out, butnothing new.
I'll get one done.
I hear you.

Well, you're close.
You're close, We'll talk aboutthat.
So, mike, we're recording ourfirst official episode of 2025,
first main episode.
I'm assuming you've got amodeling fluid to go along with
the first episode of 2025.
What is it?
Well, total Line finally gotsome Russell's Reserve tenure
back on the shelf with the firstepisode of 2025.

Mike (05:05):
What is it?
Well, total Wine finally gotsome Russell's Reserve tenure
back on the shelf, so I got oneof those, oh nice.
Now it's a modest pour because,while one might think that
would alleviate some of thekidney stone pain, they got me
on that Flomax crap so.
I don't need to further reducemy cottonseed.

Gotcha, you would prefer not to wet yourself on
air or in the bed, or in the bed.
Yeah, the wife's going toobject to that.
So well, russell should get youthrough the episode.

Mike (05:39):
It's good, I'll be good, I'll be good.
Yeah Well, what about you, myfriends?

Well, you know, normally you'd hear the sound of
a beer opening, but I'm doing abourbon.

Mike (05:51):
Sounds like my microphone.

Yeah, doing a bourbon.
This episode Thanks to a goodmodeling friend, scott Skippy
King, who came over and modeledon New Year's Day with me.
Skippy King, who came over andmodeled on New Year's Day with
me.
Skippy brought a Christmaspresent which was a bottle of
Dereringer Kentucky StraightBourbon Whiskey from Rabbit Hole

(06:16):
Distillery, and this is abourbon that's finished in
sherry casks, and so I've gotthem.
I'm sitting here with myplastic Model Mojo whiskey glass
with an ice ball, a pour of therabbit hole dereringer my new—

(06:38):
Dereringer or deringer.
It's deringerD-A-R-E-R-I-N-G-E-R.
D-a-r-e-r-i-n-g-e-r.

Mike (06:48):
I'll have to look that word up.

It's not the gun.
I'm not sure what it's namedafter.
I'll have to read the label.
I'm sure it tells me.
But I've got my plastic ModelMojo whiskey glass, I've got an
ice ball, I've got some bourbon,I've got my Model Airplane
Maker keychain and I'm ready torecord.

Mike (07:13):
Well good, because we deferred the listener mail last
episode there at the end of theyear.
Yes, and we've gotten a fewmore.
So this episode is going to berather listener mail heavy, all
right, but it's always fun.
Yes, we love these and I guesswe just need to get into it,
because the first one's a reallygood one.

(07:34):
Dive in First up from the southof England, mr Eddie Turner.
Eddie's enjoying the podcast.
He says he's even joined hisnational IPMS in the UK and went
to scale model world at Telford, which blew his mind.
That's someplace we need to goto.
We need to.
Yeah, you and I need to figureout how to do that.
And some other shows maybe overthere.

(07:55):
But yeah, that one's theeasiest, yes, well, anyway, his
question for the mailbag is NASAhas just chosen Plastic Model
Mojo to be the first podcastrecorded on the moon.
However, they have left thesponsorship deal up to its
astronauts.
You and Dave, what modelcompany would you entrust to
build your Lunar Landerrecording studio spaceship, and

(08:16):
why Bonus points if you can bothagree on the same one?
Well, I know who's buildingmine.
I know who I would choose To me.
It's building mine.
It's going to have the fewestparts to break and it's going to
fit together and work.

Well, if I had to choose, well, the natural
choice would actually be SpaceX.
It said model company, I know,I know.
If I had to go with modelcompany, I do agree that Tamiya
is an excellent choice.
The only thing that I can thinkof right now that might rival

(08:52):
it would be Arma.
But I think you're right youcan't beat Japanese engineering,
at least for model kits, atleast for model kits.
Hey, they've got a great spaceprogram too.

Mike (09:07):
Oh man Up.
Next, dave from the Netherlands.

Okay.

Mike (09:12):
We're getting international Lauren Steffers,
so the first two are fromoutside the borders of the
United States.
Lauren's is 47, been modelingsince he was 13.
He's been a voluntaryfirefighter most of his life and
I think he's finally put thataside and doing more modeling
now.
A lot of 3D printing stuff.
He's printing figures in allscales.

(09:34):
It's really cool.
He's actually interested instarting a podcast, I assume in
his native language.
That might be a good idea.
We can talk about that offlineif he's interested.

Something short 20-minute stuff you can listen
to while you're walking the dog,but he's just saying howdy and
liking his 3d printer.
Well, you know what we knowspeaking of model airplane maker
.
He just got a 3d printer andstarted playing with it and you
know everybody I know who'sgotten one has really.
They're really enjoying theexperience.
Now, the only downside is thatcan become a hobby in and of

(10:13):
itself.
But you know I fully supportanybody out there.
You know who gets a 3D printer,going in and experimenting and
you never know what you can comeup with.
You never know the need that.
You see that nobody else seesthat you may end up designing

(10:38):
and printing something that justabsolutely stuns the modeling
world.
So I'm happy to see more peopledoing it.

Mike (10:47):
Up next Dave is Will Jordanger and he's from Buckley
Washington, which is about 20miles east of Tacoma.

Okay, we got somebody in the US, all right.

Mike (10:58):
And he's been enjoying the laser cutter stuff because his
father had a trophy and awardsbusiness and has been using one
for a number of years and theyjust started using it for
structures, for model railroads,hon and scale dioramas.
His dad does, and then he'sbeen using it for background
materials and base planks forhis 1 to 144 scale aircraft.

(11:20):
He says the main differencebetween a diode laser and a CO2
laser is the wavelength of lightwhich it puts out.
The CO2 offers a greater energyoutput, power output, because
of that, and that's why you cancut more stuff than the diode
can.
So there you go.

There you go.
Well, I thought I think I knewthat that was the distinction,
but it's glad to have.
I'm glad to have somebody whoknows confirm it.
And I guess we're starting 2025as the year of technology and
modeling 3D printers, lasercutters.

(11:56):
I predict that we're going tosee exponential growth in both
of those areas in the hobby thisyear.
You like the?

Mike (12:04):
easy bets, don't you?

Yes, I do.

Mike (12:08):
And if anyone's interested , he's using a program called
FreeCAD for his major 2D and 3Ddesigns and you know it can do
your 3D print stuff and I guesscan also put out a file that the
image processor, like CorelDRAWor something, can use and then
port on over to the laser.
So there you go, freecad.

There you go.

Mike (12:30):
Well, we missed Bruce McRae down in Murfreesboro.
We didn't get to go down there.

I know.

Mike (12:35):
I know, and currently Bruce is looking for his next
round of travels with his wifeand they're looking at four
shows, including the AmpsNationals again, so maybe we'll
get to see him come springtime.
That would be really great.
Well, he was at murfreesboro ashe promised he would be.
Yeah, and he won a 50 prize forthe furthest traveled.

All right, I think that's a great idea it is
too.

Mike (12:59):
second place went to a guy from illinois who I bet thought
he was a sure end for the prizeuntil Bruce showed up.
Oh man, but that's you know.

I would love to see more contests do stuff like
that.
You know, youngest modeler,oldest modeler, who came the
farthest?
Things like that are.
You know those local variationswhere you see stuff like that
at shows.
I think that adds the colorthat makes a show different and

(13:28):
enjoyable.

Mike (13:30):
It is, and he's found something that makes our show
more enjoyable too, which isRemember his wife's the
technophile in his house, andhe's quite the opposite.

Yeah.

Mike (13:42):
And on this recent trip she introduced him to actually
playing the thing over the carstereo.
Oh good, although that meansshe's got to listen too, so Well
but he says they'll pause andhave a discussion about stuff
and puts her two cents in.
Apparently the dogs don't seemto want to be involved with it.

But it just goes to show the dogs have good sense
.

Mike (14:09):
And he says right here, the other people also spend
their time crawling around onthe floor looking for model
parts.

Oh God.

Mike (14:15):
Yes, and he chuckles at our sometimes we have to push to
make a deadline comment and oneof the last episodes he thought
that was cute because he spentan entire career working against
deadlines that you can't move.
You put in the midnight oil toget them done, and even under
budget if possible, and then,when it's all said and done,
they cut the entire scene fromthe movie.

Yeah.

Mike (14:38):
Yeah, we've had this one a little while.
It came in a little afterThanksgiving.
So, bruce, I hope you had ahappy Thanksgiving I'm glad all
your travels went safe and aMerry Christmas and a Happy New
Year and hopefully we will seeyou in April or May whenever
that is April, I think.
Another one for the Netherlands, dave.
All right, it's from our friendGus Gouyere, and he says he

(15:01):
wrote in about a year ago abouthis modeling mojo and fear of
starting a special kit which wasthe 100th scale, oh, excuse me,
the 1-400th scale Helleraircraft carrier, carl Dorman, I
remember, and he says thatone's currently on the shelf of
doom because connecting resinbits and bobs to a 1974 Heller
kit is a bit challenging.

Challenging is the word you're looking for
Putty sand prime.

Mike (15:24):
again and again he's used all types of cement and putties.
He's found the rightcombination.
He likes the VMS 5K CA resinyeah, and an automotive putty.

Mm-hmm.

Mike (15:38):
And Mr Hobby.
He's using the Aqueous Surfacermixed with Unicorn Tears.

Oh, okay.

Mike (15:44):
He's lost his mojo a little bit on the project.
He stepped away from it.
He's got the lower hull andflight decker ready for the next
few steps and he's been 3Dprinting Grumman trackers.
I don't know if he's beenprinting.
He's been getting 3D printedGrumman trackers from Le
Arsenault.
It's a very nice 3D printcompany making these small scale
airplanes.
That's the beauty of 3D print.

(16:05):
There I guarantee nobody wouldbe chucking out 400 scale
aircraft on the regular.

Yeah.

Mike (16:11):
If it weren't for 3D printing.
Yeah, unless you really lovedan old Heller aircraft carrier
kit.

Carrier kit.
Thing with figures is, you know, the ability to have a figure
that's been done up in CAD thatyou can do 48 scale, 72nd scale,
35th scale, 32nd scale.
That is one of the beauties of3D printing.

Mike (16:38):
Well, gus, keep chugging along on that, you'll get it
done.
He says he's going to pick itback up again in 2025.

I'd like to see a Carl Dorman done.

Mike (16:45):
And I remember why we got some of these longest emails
because we asked folks to sendin what they've been doing.

Yeah.

Mike (16:50):
And a lot of them did, including Gus.
2024 was also the 80thanniversary of Operation Market
Garden.
Yes, it was, and he visited theRemembrance and Airdropping
with his 11-year-old son.

Oh, that would have been great.

Mike (17:04):
Air dropping with his 11-year-old son oh, that would
have been great.
And he's inspired to start a35th scale Arnhem diorama using
some Red Devils and a Stug III.
Yep, there's quite a few imagesaround their involvement there
with Sturmgeschütz and the RedDevils.

And if you don't have the After the Battle book
on Market Garden, you should getit Well worth it.
The battle book on MarketGarden you should get it Well
worth it.

Mike (17:25):
Well, he picked up a ton of aftermarket at Scale Model
Challenge for the DOSWorks kitand he's looking forward to
getting into that and he's beenwatching Evan's videos to get
brushed up on weathering.

Well, if you have any questions about stugs,
email Evan.
That's right.

Mike (17:41):
And his son's going crazy on all the 3D printed animal
items at SMC.
And now he's building a junglediorama with all kinds of 3D
printed animals and vegetationCool, rubbed off on him.
That's great.
And for our Black Fridayquestion, his local hobby shop
had a 10% discount on airbrushesand he picked up an H&S
Evolution 2024.
Good choice.

(18:02):
Cr Plus, which is the one we'vebeen test driving, yep, and
we've been real happy with that.
Good, gus, keep it up.
Get back on your ship, send ussome pictures of it, yep.
Well, steve Rui has written inagain and he's the person who
went in or wrote in oh gosh, acouple episodes back about how
to get motivated again.
A couple episodes back abouthow to get motivated again.

(18:24):
He was in a funk and lost hismojo spinning his wheels, which
is actually the email that ourguest answered that got us to
have him on the show.
Yeah, well, steve's got it back, dave.
Great, that's good news.
And he's been working on akinetic CF-104.

Mm-hmm.

Mike (18:43):
Canadian version of the Starfighter.

Yep.

Mike (18:46):
He's got the Belcher Bits decal sheet and it'll be a
natural metal finish, so that'sgoing to be sharp.

Yep and Belcher Bits.
Those are great decals.

Mike (18:55):
Well, he enjoys listening to the podcast on his long
drives or when traveling in hisPiper Cub airplane.
Oh nice, there we go, mojo inthe air.

There you go, mojo in the air.

Mike (19:05):
There you go.
Mark Doremus is back from hisAsian travels.

Yep.
He messaged us while he wastraveling.
It was really kind of neat toexperience it along with him.

Mike (19:17):
Well, he summarized all that in a Word document and I'm
not going to get into that withthis email reading we're glad
you're home, mark, and safe, andI'm sure you'll be heading
somewhere else before too long.
You seem to travel a lot, yep,but once we get the website up
and going, I got a plan for hissummary.
Good Folks will be able to seethat eventually.

(19:39):
John Lees is next and we metJohn at the MMSI show.
Mm-hmm is next and we met johnat the mmsi show and he sent me
a link.
Well, he sent me a link to a.
It's a japanese float plane,rather obscure one, like a
pre-war thing 72nd scale resinkit, and he knew this company
because he was clearing out hisbrother's estate in many cases

(20:01):
giving away some of these kitsabout.
To mention this, mentionChorosi's, the brand there's
more to the name than that.

Oh yeah, chorosi Model Brought.

Mike (20:08):
Yeah, that's it.
And yeah, they do make someinteresting things.
They also make some interesting35th scale things.

Yep, and some of their stuff is really, really
nice.

Mike (20:18):
In fact they had a Soviet World War II pre-war like
85-millimeter anti-aircraft gunthat I was hot to get until
Trump had released their two inplastic.
So I was almost there.
But yeah, that plane he sent meis kind of being used in the
early stages of theirinvolvement in China and

(20:39):
Southeast Asia.
Which aircraft?
I can't remember, it's a littlebitty biplane floatplane.
Okay, you'll have to send me, Iwill, I'll send that to you.
Up next, martin Pietta.
And he says maybe it's justDave that doesn't like stouts,
but here's a pretty damn amazingone from Three Floyds, the
Marshmallow Hansy, really Yep.

(21:02):
And he sent a picture of thelabel and he's got another one
too.
It's called Kentucky Brunch andit's you know, it's one that's
been finished in whiskey barrels.
Right, I've not had that one.
It's a toppling Goliath BrewingCompany on that one for the
Kentucky Brunch, you know what.

I am not a stout fan, but if it's a 3 Floyd's
product I'm willing to try anythree Floyd's product.
The only thing I've not likedof theirs is their Scotch Ale,
robert the Bruce.
But you know they just do suchgood, good stuff, so I may look

(21:42):
out for that and I may sample it.

Mike (21:45):
Well, you weren't a hops guy until about 2020.

Yeah, that's true , that is absolutely true.
My palate has evolved.

Mike (21:55):
Up next from West Alexandria, ohio, is Greg
Williams, and he sends a rathersuccinct email that hits all his
high points for the last year.

Yeah.

Mike (22:09):
His best all around experience and fun build was a
48 scale T 34, 85.
They did for the posse 100episode 48 scale group build.

Oh great.

Mike (22:14):
Yeah, that wrapped up, I guess right before the holidays.
I assume, that's the Tamiya kit.
It could be it could also be ahobby boss kit.

Oh, just hobby boss, but I bet it's not.
I'll bet it's yeah right, why?

Mike (22:26):
I don't know if they make an 85 or not.
They may I know they make someof the other ones or no.
They make the KVs, don't they?
In 48 scale.

Yeah.

Mike (22:34):
Neither here nor there.
He also partook in Andy's HobbyHeadquarters Black Friday.

Oh good, I bet you that hurt yeah.

Mike (22:43):
Four kits later he was done with that.
Oh, that's not terrible.

No, it's not.
Well, it depends.
Four 48th scale kits, that'sone thing.
Four 16th scale kits yeah, thatcould be bad.
That could put a dent in you.

Mike (22:59):
Well, in the new year he wants to continue to hone his
skills with finished models.
He's got no set plan of anumber he wants to build, just
hopefully one or two more thanlast year.

That's the best way to approach it.
I really do think that it'snice to have goals and
everything, but I think you canput artificial pressure on
yourself if you do too much ofthat.

Mike (23:24):
And putting goals on your list you're likely to not meet
is never any fun anyway.

Exactly.

Mike (23:30):
Well, john McAvoy writes in again.
I'm always going on about BT-5s, yes, and he asked if I'd ever
picked up the Hellcat ModelsBT-5 3D resin conversion for the
Hobby Boss BT-2?
And if so, what were mythoughts on it?
Well, as a matter of fact, I dohave that conversion kit and I
think it's pretty good.

(23:51):
Hellcat is run by an old friendof mine named Scott Dimmick
that I met via pen palling fromthe old military modeler
magazine.

Yep.

Mike (24:02):
We got into email or not email.
There was no internet Mail mail.
We got into hard copy mail backand forth for a number of years
and I finally met himface-to-face at AMPS and maybe
we'll see him at the next AMPSshow, because I don't think he
was at Fort.

Wayne, south Bend .
Sorry, south Bend, not FortWayne.

Mike (24:21):
So he's been doing those.
It's pretty good and maybe I'llget to it someday.

I haven't built it yet clearly, so I can't.
Well, if you get to it, thatwould probably cause whoever to
produce a BT-5 kit.

Mike (24:34):
Well, there's that and yeah, maybe I just need to do
that.
Maybe that should be underconsideration for my 2025 new
projects.
There you go.

I could do it that way.

Mike (24:45):
You can go fondle that so yeah, he's got a couple others
too.
And scott also made aninteresting discovery about an
eccentricity in the turret ringon the, on the bt2s and maybe
the five as well, I don't know.
That was kind of interesting.
He noticed something in aphotograph and he's made the
correction for that as well.

Interesting.

Mike (25:07):
One of those old German photos, mike Shelley from
Pearland, texas.
Is it Pearland or Pearland?
I couldn't tell you.
I'm going to find out now.

Yeah, that's right, you will.

Mike (25:18):
Well, he listened to 130 on the way to model Fiesta in
New Braunfels, which that lookedlike.

That was a fun show that did it really did they
?
Texans know how to have fun.

Mike (25:28):
And, as we've discovered, hot water is one of the best
ways to get older stubbornJapanese decals to behave, and
he thinks it might even bementioned in the kid
instructions sometimes.
Yeah, and I think I mentionedit on the dojo.
The reason for that is it'sbasically stamp gum that holds
those things on the paper.

Yes.

Mike (25:46):
And it's just solution chemistry.
You warm it up, it can dissolveit faster, and there you go.
That's why that works.
Tip two use distilled water.
You may not live in an areathat has mineral deposits in
your tap water, but why take achance?
Yeah, sometimes you can getsome tide rings on dark colors
from decaling.
I don't.
I'm usually pretty good aboutgetting almost all the water

(26:09):
away, me too.
It's kind of like some ofStrangebrush's advice.
It's kind of on that 99thpercentile kind of Right, you're
wringing the last bloat out ofthe turnip kind of thing.
But it's a good point,especially if you live oh my
gosh Kentucky.
We got some hard water heresometimes.
Yeah, we do.

Although Louisville's got some great
water.

Mike (26:31):
Tip three scan your decal sheet before you start cutting
it up.
That way, if the decal failscatastrophically, you can
possibly print a replacement ormake a stencil.
Or make a stencil, that's true,yep.

That's a good idea.

Mike (26:44):
And you hope somebody finds these useful and I suspect
they will.

Yep.

Mike (26:49):
Oh, longtime listener Terry Wilkins has written in.
He's heard us ramble on aboutburnishing tools so he ordered
the whole suite from Model PaintSolutions.
So thank you for supporting DrMiller for us there.
Terry and he's kind of come upin the Shep era and primarily
built AFVs from World War II andhe's started to go down the

(27:09):
model aircraft hole.
Hope I hadn't scared him offwith my project.
His question is when adding thefiddly bits such as pitot tubes
et cetera, what adhesive do youuse?

Mike, you can answer this question.

Mike (27:24):
And it's going to be unorthodox.

Okay.

Mike (27:28):
I knew that these things were going to be a handling
issue for somebody who doesn'tbuild many airplanes, so, were
they to break off, I didn't wantto have to finish breaking it
off and creating a hole again,right.
So I bored all the holes andgot them to like a just fit
situation.
So let me back up.
I used some oh, albion alloys,aluminum telescoping tubing for

(27:54):
the pedo tube right, and the bigdiameter was like seven tenths
of a millimeter.
So I I had a .7 bit and I'dalready put the pilot holes in
the wing faces before I finishedthe model.
Let me back up.
Lesson learned Next time I willcomplete those interfaces
before the wing is ever attachedto the aircraft.

(28:16):
Next time, gotcha.
So that's my tip, one tip, andthen I take those reamers.
I've got a set of them.
You probably do too.

I can't remember where I got them Micro reamers.
I got them at Brian's at ScaleReproductions.

Mike (28:30):
I got mine from the.
Do you see this guy that wouldcome to the shows in part of our
region, from Texas, that hadall his tools, the tool man, the
tool guy, I don't know whatever happened to that guy, I
don't know, but he had them andI start sizing up that hole.
Yeah, that was like 0.7millimeters or 0.8, one or the
other, and I had drill bits thatwere that size.
But I really think using adrill bit can be a problem when

(28:53):
you've got a thin face and it'smade out of two parts and if it
binds you're just going to popyour wing joint.
So the reamers are really nicebecause they're long and slender
and they increase the diametergradually as you twist them and
you can go a little bit clean itout.
And then what I do is I take apin vice, I turn the drill bit
around backwards to where I'vegot the shank end sticking out

(29:17):
and you can use it as a gaugepin and it won't cut the plastic
.
It's sticking in the hole youjust made.
So once I get exactly the rightsize and I'm ready to glue that
in, I flood that hole withTamiya Extra Thin and push that
PETO tube right in there.
Right and you count on themelted plastic to— Will fill up

(29:39):
the slop in that hole, right,and it'll be tight enough that
it's not going to fall out,right, and I came back and I
ferreted in with paint.
So it's there pretty much.
I did the same thing with thecannons.
I had aftermarket brass cannonsI used, and the same thing
there.
Those were, uh, basically setwith liquid cement and then
ferret in with paint.
Yeah, and as long as you're notpulling on, them definitely get

(30:02):
dinged and bent, I can justpull them out.
And I got a hole that's theright size.
I can just put them back in Intheory.

In theory In theory.

Mike (30:09):
Yes.

Well, just be careful with it, so that you
don't have that problem.

Mike (30:14):
Yeah, I'm getting there.

We'll talk more about that in a little while,
Like an antenna mast.
Well, what do you do?
Seasoned aircraft builder.
I have done several differentthings and it almost depends on
the build.
I have done what you justdescribed, which I think is a
really good method.
Sometimes you get kits withholes that are too large, and so

(30:40):
you either get some rod andplug them and re-drill them
correctly.
You can.
Sometimes I will resort togator glue or another white glue
, which now you have to playwith that, but it actually can.

(31:02):
You've got a lot of time toplay with it, to get it where
you want it, and when it dries,that's generally pretty darn
good.
Impacted, brushed up against,it tends to pop out, so that you

(31:27):
can replace it as opposed tobreak off.
Now I think the best thing todo is always make sure you use
brass or aluminum.
I think using a plastic pitottube or plastic anything like
that in plastic is just askingfor it to eventually get broken.

Mike (31:48):
Hope that helps.
Yep Can't wait to see Terry'sfirst airplane.

I'm serious, I'm not making a joke.
It's no joke.

Mike (31:56):
I like people trying New Horizons, because I've done it
and we've talked about that alot.

I think you learned a lot with this aircraft
.

Mike (32:03):
I did Up next from Guelph a lot.
I think you learned a lot withthis aircraft I did Up next from
Guelph Ontario.
Hey, you said it right.
I quit Gwesson.

Duncan Young.
Okay, that was good.
I'm going to give you that one.
That was good.

Mike (32:20):
Duncan Young from the Hamilton Club.

We're going to see them soon, man.

Mike (32:24):
If we can find a place to stay.

Yeah, well, we're working on that and if I get my
real ID on the 23rd.

Mike (32:33):
You still got a passport.

Yeah, but it expires in April.

Mike (32:37):
We'll go get it renewed tomorrow or Monday.
All right enough of thatHoliday modeling activity.
So he's answering the callagain, Dave.
All right enough of thatHoliday modeling activity, so
he's answering the call again,Dave.
Okay, Unfortunately his wasinterrupted with some
deconstruction of his basementhobby room, so he's going the
wrong way.

Yeah.

Mike (32:57):
Rather than melting plastic, he's been tearing apart
his hobby room.
They had a leak in an exteriorhose bib.
They found in the summer andthere was some exploratory stuff
that had to be done.
To find it they had to emptythe room to do it.

I hate that.

Mike (33:07):
Well, the bright side is he's now got an opportunity to
install recessed lightingthroughout the room.

Smart man, take advantage.
If you've got to deal with that, take advantage of it to redo
the room.
Milk it for all it's worth.
Yeah, exactly.

Mike (33:26):
And now he's got the ceiling exposed and the exterior
wall above the foundation, hecan install a dedicated exhaust
duct for a spray booth to theexterior house, that's great.
This is turning into an upgrade, so good on you, duncan.
Yep, hey, take lemons and makelemonade and he says there'll be

(33:47):
some very important heritageannouncements coming up
regarding entry tickets andmodel registration inbound next
week or so.
So wanted us to uh be aware ofthat.
Okay, and to remind everybodyis, the show is on sunday, march
23rd of 2025, at the CanadianWorkplane Heritage Museum in
Hamilton, ontario, and I suspectwe may be speaking to those

(34:10):
guys ahead of time.
Yes, I suspect we will too.
Well, german scale modelingYouTube sensation, michael Reese
, also known as Hamilcar Barkas,has sent us a lengthy email and
I'm going to touch on a coupleof these.
He says VMS Varnish has prettymuch saved his modeling, more or
less, because he'd given up onclear coats.

(34:32):
Okay, so he's cleaning up withAK Airbrush Cleaner and
finishing up with some tap waterand it just works.
Okay, that's how he does it.
So I've not given up becauseyou know I bought the big
bottles.
So, right, I need to figure outhow to use it right.

People, people, people do use it and and make it
work.

Mike (34:52):
So it's not a matter of you can't, it's just a matter of
figuring out what you do notcalling it dog crap and throw it
in the garbage yet, but clearlyI'm doing something wrong and I
own that.
So yeah, that's the story, man.
A lot of folks are doing goodwith it.
I just I do for a little while,then my airbrush stops and it's

(35:13):
I know it's the nozzle and tipsize.

And you're not the only person who's had that
problem.
So, again, it's a matter offiguring out what you need to do
that works.

Mike (35:23):
Well, the other one I'm going to pull from his email is
he's been seeing a lot of betterkits of like agricultural and
construction equipment andvehicles coming.
Yes, miniart, revell, hasegalhave released some tractors and
stuff of late and they're allpretty good.
He says even a modern JohnDeere tractor would look awesome
with a lot of mud and wear onit.
Same for construction vehicles,excavators, trucks, dumpsters,

(35:46):
cranes, all of it.
He thinks it's really cool andhe's wondering what we think
about it, all this equipmentthat helps keep the world going
around.

I think it's fantastic.
It has both traditionalmodeling uses.
You can model a Ukrainiantractor pulling one of those
abandoned Russian tanks down aroad, but you can do actual.
Some of the most interestingdioramas that you see are not

(36:14):
necessarily military dioramas.
If you go to a show like MMSIor even like the Nationals, or
even like the Nationals, you'llsee a diorama where it is
something like constructionequipment or it's a non-military
modeling scene, and some ofthose can be some of the most

(36:39):
effective dioramas.
I really like it and I'mthrilled that we're getting more
and more of that dual-use stuff.

Mike (36:49):
Well, I think one of the interesting things is the
weathering, because you have alot of this equipment that
started out life as a glossykind of automotive, finish on it
, yep, and then it's got thesebig rust scabs on it.
So you kind of got aninteresting situation there that
a lot of people have brought alot of realism to their models.
Yeah, and it's cool.

(37:09):
I, I've not gotten the bug yet,but god, what was it?
You and the other septemberswere jonesing over some 72nd
scale, 72nd tractor tractor.

it's one that it's an agricultural tractor,
but it was also used onairfields to pull aircraft and
do other stuff.
So again, it's one of thosedual-use items and you could
build it on a 1930s farm or youcould put it on a 1940s airfield

(37:46):
.

Mike (37:47):
Up next, from Charlotte, North Carolina, the voice of Bob
Bob Bear.

All right.

Mike (37:52):
Voice of Plastic Model Mojo.

Yep, that's it.

Mike (37:56):
Well, the new year is upon us, he says, and he's ready to
hit the bench with new vigor.
Good, hopefully it'll last amonth or so.
Like us, he's been busy duringthe holidays, but he's been to
bench time.
He's been playing with hisfavorite present, the Despay
Reciprocating Sander.
I've been seeing these all overFacebook and places.
Yep, not meant to replace anyDremel-type tool.

(38:18):
It was great for minor shapingand smoothing jobs where the
bigger tool is just too much.
Yep smoothing jobs where thebigger tool is just too much.
Yeah, he's making progress onhis Tamiya P38, though he says
he put himself in a deep hole bygetting all the aftermarket
Edward makes.

Yeah, aftermarket can be a two-edged sword.

Mike (38:36):
Hopefully it all fits.

Yeah.

Mike (38:39):
And he's finished his Mung 72nd scale Dune ornithopters.
They're just waiting for paint.
Yeah, those are cool, that'sbeen a popular kit.
Those have been very popular.
That's not a franchise I evergot into, but a lot of people
have.

I read the books when I was a teenager.

Mike (38:58):
He's looking forward to attending more shows.
He says the IPMS Nationals, foronce, has been driving distance
.
Yeah, he got TS in the aid oneyear.
Yeah, he's not going to do thatagain and he's got a local show
, the Hope it Don't Snow show inSpartanburg.

Yep.

Mike (39:16):
And his brother and he have planned to meet up in
Louisville for the MMCL show,since his brother has a house up
here.
I didn't know that.
Did he tell us that?
Yes, he did.
He's got digs in Kentucky, yep.

In Louisville?
I'm not exactly sure.

Mike (39:31):
Okay, let us know, bob, we have another poolside chat.
I missed last time.

Yes, All right.
The voice of Bob came over andwe sat out by my pool and had a
great time.

Mike (39:43):
All right.
Well, dave, bob's going to endit for the email side of things.
Don't let me forget, I've gotone from Christian Gurney I want
to mention, right after theirad.

Well, I'm going to mention Christian in the DMs.

Mike (39:57):
Okay, well, that's fine.
Maybe you take care of it,maybe send it to both of us.
And a couple of folks sent someshow stuff in and we've got a
show shout-out we're going to dohere in a week or so and I'll
make mention of all those duringthat.
So keep me honest, dave, don'tlet me forget, I won't.

Well, that's the 23rd 2025.
And he's going to post a flyera copy of the flyer, on the dojo
.
I have heard nothing but goodthings about that show.
I've never been to it and I'dlove to go, but I know that Mark
really likes it and if you'rein the area in February in

(40:51):
Atlanta, the weather's probablygoing to be pretty good.
Take advantage.
Speaking of Christian Gurney,mr Gurney DMed me and mentioned
that Bases by Bill has a coupleof new products that they're
working on and we're going toget Christian on for a vendor

(41:14):
spotlight where we can talkabout some of those things,
because I really kind of likesome of the stuff that he's
mentioned that they're workingon.
So I can't wait to hear alittle more and to share it with
the listeners.
Our friend Paul Gloucester, theQuokka Been in California, was

(41:38):
in the United States, in bothTexas and California.
Unfortunately, we didn't get tosee him this trip but of course
, being the world traveler thathe is, I'm sure we'll see him
for the Nationals, if notanother show sooner, I don't
know.
But yeah, the Quokka has madean appearance in the United

(42:01):
States, got a DM from, as hephrases it, a Brit in exile in
Nova Scotia.
Bob Chambers reached out andsympathized with us over the
fact that some Canadian left thedoor open and we got all this
snow.
But in addition to that, he wastalking about products that he

(42:25):
would love to see for modelingthat don't currently exist.
And he was talking aboutejection seat handles for a
modern aircraft ejection seat,which are the braided yellow and
black.
He doesn't, like you know,taking a piece of wire and

(42:46):
painting it and alternatingstripes, doesn't think that
looks good and you know youcan't really twist a really tiny
yellow and black wire togetherand make it look right.
He's just waiting for somebodyto come up with that product.
So who knows, maybe somebodywill.

(43:07):
But I agree with him that ifsomebody figured out how to do
that in the aftermarket, thatwould be a great product.
Rock Rozak reached out and gaveus a little preview of what
they're working on.
Their next book is going tocover the Allison Engine P-51s.

(43:31):
He sent a couple of images froma couple of the pages and, like
always, those things are just.
You know, if you're working ona model and you need a single
reference for the model, ifthere's a detail and scale
available, that's always the oneto go to Because you're going

(43:55):
to get the history.
You're going to get the detaildifferences on the different
versions.
You could get plenty ofphotographs, both detail
photographs and overall markingsphotographs which are good for
helping with weathering.
I can't wait to see it.
I'm sure it's going to be great.
Listener, john Colasante ismaking me jealous.

(44:22):
You put him on to somethinggood.
Yes, he was going to be inPensacola, florida, and I made
sure that he got to the NationalMuseum of Naval Aviation and,
just like when I talk about thenationals, I did not undersell

(44:43):
the— or oversell it.
Or oversell the National museumof naval aviation.
He spent a whole day there andtold me through DMs that it
wasn't enough, that he neededmore.
It is just, in my opinion, thebest aviation museum I've ever

(45:04):
been to no-transcript.

Mike (45:09):
I need to go there.
I've never been oh it is.

It is awesome you would.
There aren't quite as manyaircraft as there are at the US
Air Force Museum.

Mike (45:22):
That'd be tough.

But the layout is just so nice, the design, the
fact that none of the aircraftare behind barriers, the fact
that none of the aircraft arebehind barriers.
You can walk up, touch, gounder.
You know, look in the cockpitof any of the aircraft there.
It's just fantastic.

(45:45):
I've been a member of thatmuseum foundation for probably
25 or 30 years and I fullysupport it.
So if you're in Pensacola, donot pass up going to that museum
.
Got any more.
Last one, Our friend BruceWorrell listened to us talk

(46:09):
about decals and he said wedidn't mention the one thing
that he does, which is when heputs a decal down, he uses a
Q-tip to roll out any watertrapped under the decal.

(46:30):
Once he gets it where he wants,he uses a Q-tip to do that,
which I've done in the past.
Now I told him that what I tendto do with that now is I tend
to use a silicone brush, justsimply because you don't have
the problem with hair sheddingthat you get with the Q-tip.
But he just wanted to mentionthat that's what he does to

(46:55):
squeeze out any excess waterthat might be hiding under the
decal, once he's got it where hewants it.

Mike (47:04):
Another tip Yep, it's kind of what I use my damp flattened
out brush for.

Yep exactly.

Mike (47:10):
It'll pull most of that out from under the decal if you
put it right down at the filmedge.

Yep.
Good stuff, yes, good stuff.

Mike (47:16):
Yes, good stuff.
A lot of good email.
Yeah, a lot of good DMs.
Well, folks, get in on it.
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Mike (51:09):
Well, Dave, we've got something a little different
tonight for our special guests.
Yep, to reiterate the backstoryand I'm pretty sure it was
Steve Rui who had written in asa listener about losing his mojo
, which is an issue we're tryingto fix on this podcast Exactly,
exactly.

(51:30):
And our guest tonight wrote aresponse back and had some
suggestions for him andmentioned journaling as a
possible solution to overcomehis what's essentially writer's
block for modelers.
I guess you could say thatSteve has published a journal
for scale modelers and we hadhim on the show to talk about

(51:53):
that concept a little bit andhow it might help some of you
out there, and he sent us somecopies and we reviewed it and it
was a fun conversation.
We kind of mannered a littlebit on some topics, but they're
all fun, kind of stuck to thetable of contents of the journal
.
It's just an interestingconcept, dave, to actually use a
disciplined writing to getthrough ideas and situations and

(52:15):
whatever.

And I'll tell you after our conversation and
after looking at the journalI've committed.
I'm going to try it and see ifit does indeed help with my mojo
.

Mike (52:35):
Well, dave, we've got something a little different
tonight.
We have listener Steve Andersonfrom Matamidai Minnesota with
us.
Steve, how are you doingtonight?
I'm doing really good.

Steve Anderson (52:45):
I'm happy to be here.

Mike (52:46):
Well, steve, you've written into the show several
times.
I know you've been a listenerfor a long time, but I can't
remember the exact situation itwas.
I think it was that we had agentleman asking about finding
his motivation again, I believethat's the email.
It was yes, and you respondedto him and you.
You said some fairly generalthings and then you provide a

(53:07):
link to this journal book you'vedone, titled a guided journal
for modelers making the most ofyour Hobby, and we just kind of
went from there and gettinghooked up with you and trying to
see what that's all about.
So before we get into thejournaling, folks might like to
know a little bit about yourbackground, from modeling to

(53:30):
even the journaling.
Assume there's more to thisjournal than just this book for
you.

Yeah, well, the important stuff right, grew up
with Ravel and monogram kitsright In the 80s.
So my brother, who's threeyears older, he was building
models.
My cousins were building models.
So I'm like, well, I'm going tostart building models and so
did that in my teens A lot ofWorld War II stuff, because

(53:57):
that's what my brother andcousins were reading.
So I read it.
So, like building models, I gotto be careful what I read
because you know I read allthose military books and then
went into the army, easilyinfluenced, right, but stopped
building, like all the reasonsguys stopped building.
Right, but stopped building,like all the reasons guys

(54:18):
stopped building.
And then in my 30s I startedbuilding again and I had
branched out as a kid.
I love mac robotech, right,it's macross, yeah, japan, but I
ended up with some you knowrobot macross kits, right, they
have great battleships that arelike 15 pieces there's entourage
ships that you can put togetherin a weekend and started back
into it and have just haven'tstopped since I got back in,

(54:41):
which is probably why my stashis so huge.
And then on the journaling side,so I was an English teacher at
community college for 20 years,but I was also teaching student
success classes, right, andwe're always looking into how do
people get motivated.
You know what are theroadblocks to being successful
at school, and I would alwaystake extra classes on things

(55:03):
like you know neuroscience, youknow any sort of anything that
would make me feel like a betterteacher.
And so that's where I startedmoving into, you know, coming up
with good questions to getpeople think, to think.
And one of the reasons that Istarted these guided journals is
because you know, whateverworks for me, great, but who

(55:24):
cares?
Because there's just one me inmy situation.
And so what I love about havinggood questions is, you know, I
know what works for me, but Idon't know what works for
somebody else, and so thequestions never, you know,
there's no expected answer.
It's like, well, what do youthink and what's going to work
for you, and so that's you know.
That's why guided journals,right, so it's got questions

(55:46):
that can get you thinking aboutyou know what's important to
modeling for you, right, what'syour biggest roadblock?
And then I throw in, withoutwithout saying it, right, and I
don't.
I might say neuroscience fivetimes tonight, but just kind of
ignore that.
I'm not saying that to like, ohlook, he's using the big bird
or something.
It's because this isn't just.
Oh, steve had an idea Like Ilistened to on the bench and I

(56:08):
can just hear Julian rightSaying oh man, I can't do the
Australian accent, sorry, butyou know, oh man, anybody could
come up with a bunch ofquestions and it's like yeah,
but these will be.
A lot of them are sort of basedon things.
I'll just give you one quickexample.
In this one neuroscience courseI took, it was great and they
said environment always wins.

(56:29):
So, whatever your intention is,it doesn't matter.
If, like say, you want to buildbut your bench is a mess, but
you're not going to build, right, it doesn't matter, so
environment wins.
So I've got questions thatdon't say anything about
environment winning, but get youto look at your bench and what
do you want it to be.
So that's kind of a little bitof the background, of some of

(56:49):
what shapes the questions itshapes the questions.

Mike (56:57):
Well, it's interesting because I know of well,
journaling as a hobby in and ofitself and I know of journaling
to where I'm familiar with.
It is kind of in the context ofwhat you're doing.
Here it's kind of the oppositeit's using the journaling to get
over something that's not sogreat, not to enhance something
that you're doing that's good.
So this is interesting becauseI guess I've was unfamiliar with

(57:20):
this, this application, and youknow, I think neuroscience is
fair.

You know it's great.
Like one of the other thingsand this is in journal is if you
say I want to do something big,right, that, that's huge,
that's daunting, right, I'mgoing to build a full model,
well, holy crap, there's so muchto go into it, especially if
it's an aircraft for me, youknow the cockpit is going to
stop me for a month, right.
But if I pick something reallysmall, right, I'm not going to

(57:49):
build the whole thing, I'm justgoing to do this small start.
I'm much more motivated.
I do that small thing.
And then the brain science onthis is you get that dopamine
hit and by doing the small thingit can lead you to the bigger.
So each journal entry has thequestion, some space, and you
can write as little as you wantor as much as you want, right.

(58:09):
And I always come back laterand see what's changed.
And the last part is a placefor an insight or an action step
.
So you can take it.
And here's the thing you know,right, mike, how do you get this
to be something where it's notjust you know your diary, which
there's nothing wrong with that.
But if you want action, right,go on to get more out of your
modeling.
You know there's that.
Okay, what's that insight orwhat's that step that you can

(58:30):
take to move in the directionwhere you want to go, so you're
having the most fun that you canhave.

Mike (58:37):
Yeah, I think that's just.
It's really interesting.
A lot of the questions areinteresting.
What inspired you to take thisapproach with modeling and then
direct that toward othermodelers?

Well, it's a funny story and this involves I
wanted to make sure everything Italk about is going to involve
models, because this is this isthe show for talking about
modeling.
I was teaching a mythologyclass and I had questions.
That would be, you know, you'dread a story about fighting a
dragon.
So then, to make it real, Iwould have I wouldn't ask them

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to tell me about the story, I'dask them okay, so what dragon do
you have to fight?
What's the dragon you have tobattle?
What's the reward for youafterwards?
And they totally got into itbecause all of a sudden now it's
like oh yeah, it gives you aframework to look at things
differently.
And then at this class amythology class probably won't
come as a surprise tons of StarWars fans in it, and then star

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trek, and so at the end of thesemester and this is my last
semester of teaching I said,okay, I'm, I'm gonna leave it.
So I had a bunch of star trekmodels and a bunch of star wars
models and for like the lastthree weeks after class was over
, I would have raffles rightthere just for showing up, right
, you get your entry in thereand was just giving away Star
Trek and Star Wars novels andnovels models, and they loved it

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.
It became like a fun fiveminutes at the end of class and
some of them were taking themfor themselves and some of them
were like, oh, my dad's going tolove this enterprise and that
was a great way to clear offsome space.
And now I've got some moreshelf space to build and, you
know, giving it to some peoplewho are like really enjoying
having this, and I am not.
I'm not being modest, I am amediocre modeler and that's just

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honest.
If there's a seam showing, I'mokay with that right now.
You know I want to get better,but when you're giving giving
stuff away for free or to peoplewho aren't model builders too I
think for those of us who don'treally see ourselves as
high-quality builders yet, it'slike people will still
appreciate them because theydon't know everything that goes
into it and they don't have thatpicture in their head.

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So that was just a really funway to clear some models some
built models off the shelf spacea really fun way to clear some
models, some built models, offthe shelf space.

Kentucky Dave (01:01:04):
Steve, the first question that occurred to me
when I saw your journal.
The cover of it is your classicbuilder green builders mat that
you know, one of thoseself-healing cutting mats.
And I have to ask is this aphoto of your actual building
mat from your hobby bench?

Steve Anderson (01:01:22):
Absolutely, and it only took me 10 different
tries to get the picture justright and the lighting for it to
work.
But yeah, that's my mat my mat.

It's a well, it is a well-worn modeler's mat
with all of the stains and cutsand other stuff that that a
modeler's mat accumulates overtime and it's just.
It's the perfect cover for thisjournal.

You know we're talking about the journal, but I
just want to make sure too,before we go any farther, that
you know there are some majorthings I've gotten from
listening to your show right inthe, the guests that you have,
so I just want to thank you forthat.
Like you know, I think one ofthe reasons that I I went to I
always go to wonderfest, right,but going to other local shows

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that was totally you know, youguys right saying it joining
amps, right, dave, you know Imean.
So you guys right Saying itjoining AMPS, right, dave, you
know what I mean.
So you guys have done a lot forme, just kind of making me
branch out, get out more, andthank you for that, and that's
just one thing.

Were you at AMPS this past year or not AMPS?
Were you at Wonderfest thispast year?
No, it's about a nine and a halfhour, 10 hour drive, so I'm
about every four years forWonderfest.
Okay, well, the reason I askedis both Mike and I managed to be
at Wonderfest this past yearand you're right, it's just

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absolutely wonderful.
A question that occurred to me.
I don't hesitate to say thisModelers as a group tend to be
fairly intelligent people on thewhole.
You know, there are lots ofdoctors and lawyers, engineers,

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college professors, architects,etc.
And a lot of them because ofthat.
You know, this hobby seems toattract people with that kind of
intelligence, kind ofintelligence.

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Before you did this, when youwere building in the hobby, did
you have just a regular notebookthat you made notes on your
projects as you built them?

You know?
No, I have that in the backbecause I know there's a lot of
people who who like keepingtrack of things right for my
models.
I have not been doing that inmy.
One of the things that it's I.
Now that I have this journal, Iuse it myself too, and you know
, one of the things that I wantto do is build in more regular

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time.
I'm a sporadic builder, so Imight go a month without doing
anything and then in the nextI'll build three and then go for
a pause.

Do you think this journal will help you become
more regular at the bench?

I don't know about regular, but I already
know as far as having more funand feeling just better about it
.
It's already doing that.
And for me it's my stash Cause.
One of the questions, the firstquestion, and there's a reason.
Whenever I make a guidedjournal, the first question is
always what's your vision for?
You know what's your vision formodeling, what do you want it

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to be like?
Because everything else buildson that.
So it's important to say youknow what it is that you want.
And I was just looking at it andit's funny because I went to
Nordicon and sold some of mystash and then you know, I was
that felt good, and you knowsome that was just good.
And so now I'm going to I hopeit doesn't snow in Rochester.

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On the first I got anothertable and I'm going to Hope it
Doesn't Snow in Rochester.
On the first I got anothertable I'm going to sell.
And my wife, katie, she goes.
You know, you've had this stashfor decades, literally and
she's like what's going on?
Why are you?
Why now she's not complaining?
She's like why now?
And I went and looked back andthe third thing that I wrote for
what's my Vision is I want theright size stash.

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That's what I put down and Ionly wanted kits in the stash
and to me that was the rightsize, is it's still a ton, but I
only want kits that I want tobuild Right.
And it was funny to go back andlook at that because, yeah, as
far as moving my stash, I amgoing through picking out the
stuff that I'm like you know I'mI'm never going to build that

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and it just feels great.
I'm creating up space.
You know I'm going to, I'mgoing to local shows and meeting
and talking with people.
So there's this effect that Ididn't even think of when I said
I want to lower my stash andthat's from me sitting down,
because half 90% of my stashright is in the attic, kind of
hidden.
Well, so I don't think about ita lot until I wrote that down.

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So, more regular?
I don't know, I hope so, but Ican.
It was interesting for me rightnow.
That's the biggest thing and itmakes me feel good about my
stash.
You know, I don't have to feelguilty about it, or just what am
I doing?
It's like no, okay, I'm gettingrid of the ones that don't keep
in, the ones that I like, andyou know I feel it's funny, I

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feel lighter and also inconverting empty space into you
know, a.
Uh, the first one I, the firsttime I went up there's a hobby
town.
Is is a good hobby storeoutside of Duluth and they
actually do consignment.
And I walked in with a bin andcame back a couple weeks later,

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walked out with a 132nd scaleold Revell Focke-Wulf.
You know I'm like, oh, this isgood, right, give in 10, walk
out with one and happy about it.
So I'm having more fun, that'sfor sure, with one and happy
about it.

So I'm having more fun, that's for sure.
Well, you know it's funny youtalk about the stash when my
lovely bride, when I firstshowed her my hobby we were
obviously still dating, and youknow showed her the stash and
she's like, why would you buyall this?
And one of the points I made toher is I can point to every

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model in my stash and I can tellher exactly what I intended to
do with that model, whatmarkings I wanted it in.
You know if it's for a dioramaor something like that, what it
was intended to be.

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Mike makes the pointoccasionally that the stash is
actually a big part of the hobbyand that's absolutely true,

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which is too big, I will admit,and can tell you what I intend
to do with every model in there.

Yeah, I've got models that just unbuilt, models
in a box that just make mesmile.
I do too, Yep, yep, it's likethat's not bad for a chunk of
plastic that's not even puttogether yet Exactly.
That's not bad for a chunk ofplastic that's not even put
together yet Exactly.
From my desk right now I canlook up and I can see I have the

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SDF-1 Macross, a new kit.
When I was a kid there was Ican't remember if it was
Reveller, monogram, whicheverone bought the rights to
Robotech, the modeling, and theyhad an SDF-1, which I built and
I have to say it is so barebones right, just so.
It's like a 70s tester's modelof a Corsair without a cockpit

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kind of deal, like lots of lowdecals.
And now this one is a Hasegawa,you know, and it's beautiful.
You're just looking at the boxand pulling out the parts and
going, oh man, yeah, that's'sjust a couple of minutes of.
I'm smiling right now just fromlooking at that kit and
hopefully within the next 15, 20years I'll build that one I

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like, kind of my kind oftimeline.
Well, you know, you can't rushit, except if here's one thing
that I was thinking of too isjust about writing this stuff
down, I think, stash, you know,I know for myself that is an
interesting conversation to havewith your spouse or future
spouse, right, and to see howthey go about what's going on.

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I'm like, yep, that's it andthat's big.
But I, for the longest time,you know, know those Ming has
those tune tanks, yeah, right,and I would look at them and go,
you know it's got to berealistic and everything.
And then one time I got one andI built it.
And for me, if I'm burned outor just want to build something

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but just want it to be fun forthe weekend, I've built like 10
other different cartoon tanks,because for me it's like, oh, I
don't have to worry aboutrealism, it's a weekend build, I
can paint it, make it realsimple and then decide if I want
to do weathering.
So I love having a simple buildand getting to the point where

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I used to put weird standards onfor no particular reason.
Right, it's like it looks fun,build a thing.
Steve, why are you talkingyourself out of modeling?
And I think so.
Some of the questions I have inhere too are like you know
what's one of the biggestroadblocks you have to modeling,
and then what are some thingsyou could do to move around it?

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You know, or what's thatbiggest idea that's holding you
back and then what are somethings you could do to move
around it, or what's thatbiggest idea that's holding you
back, and then what are?
I think that one says, like,what are five true things that
would also help you get pastthat mental block that you're
setting up here, because I thinkI don't know about other people
I've absolutely taken the funout of modeling every once in a

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while, while just for crazythoughts.
It's not good enough, or why amI not doing this?
And it's like man Steve, you'reforgetting why you bought the
models in the first place.

Right.
Every time I look at those tunetanks I'm like why?
Why is they doing it?
But I cannot tell you thenumber of modelers who have told
me that they've had the exactsame experience you have, that
they sat down and they built onejust as a palate cleanser

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because they were stuck on quoteunquote their real modeling and
that it just provided them ajoyful experience.
That was modeling that theydidn't put any pressure on
themselves and the end resultthey enjoyed and it got them

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motivated.
It got their mojo back to getmoving on quote unquote regular
modeling yeah, so what do you?

so that's me, I'm, I'm toontang.
So, mike and dave, do you havea?
You guys make longer projects.
Do you got any palettecleansers that you do, I suppose
for david's?

a zero, well no, actually you, you know, for the
longest time and I have not doneone in a while and I will
probably do one again.
For me, a great palate cleanserwas always a little 700 scale
modern submarine okay and I have, I'll bet you, if I went and

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looked in my case there areseven or eight 700-scale Russian
, us, british, japanese modernsubmarines, and part of the
reason for that is they are veryfew parts.

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There's no real detailing to it.
You're, you're, it's a tubewith a conning tower on it and a
couple of a couple of diveplanes and that's it.
And that, always for me, when Iwas stuck, and I haven't done
one in a while, but that for me,when I was stuck, and I haven't
done one in a while, but thatfor me was always my palate

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cleanser.

Mike (01:13:59):
I don't know that my work really manifests itself in that
way.
I've got things that I startedthat had the intention of being
kind of a low-key kind of thingthat ended up enjoying them but
they ended up being more thanwhat I intended from the start.
And the one that comes to mindfirst is I was kind of between

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projects and I built that littleAirfix Morris tractor in Bofors
and I'd built that kid as a kidand basically all I did was
paint the tires black, put thedecals on it and it was running
around, you know, chewing up theAfrica Corps my little HO skill
fighting soldiers from Airfixit's.
And it was running around, youknow, chewing up the Africa
Corps my little HO scale,fighting soldiers from Airfix,
it's what it was doing.
But anyway I was like you know,when I bought it I thought it

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was going to be this cool greatthing and I was going to do such
a great job on it.
It's going to be my littlemasterpiece.
And you know how that usuallyends up when you're a kid
usually not the way you intended, but you know mine still got
good use.
But I guess this thing, I gotinto it and I enjoyed it and it
just kept getting more towardthat vision I had as a kid and

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surprisingly, it's it's.
It's been a very good.
It shows when it's been apopular model for me.
I get a lot of compliments onit and I think it looks pretty
good, but it's mine.
I guess I'm probably biased,but it's made me pick up a few
more of those At some point whenI feel the need.
I'm going to crack one of thoseout and do one of the others
that I did as a kid, or one thatI always wanted to but never

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did.

Well, that's one thing that occurs to me, mike,
is you got a ton of enjoymentout of that build.
I mean you were.
You were having fun frombeginning to end, at no point
during that build were you likeI don't want to go do this.

Mike (01:15:40):
You know, at no point were you facing some sort of huge
obstacle that got right, right,yeah that there's like maybe one
technical challenge in thatthing that I put on myself and
really it was not much more thanthat, but it's a good escape.
Build as during COVID I builtthat one.

So I've totally gone back and, you know, picked
a model that I built as a kidand to build it again, you know
relaxed, with a much betterairbrush, If I even was using
the airbrush back then and itjust, yeah, that's fun, that's,
it's like time travel.

Mike (01:16:17):
Well, your journals, broken up into one, two, three,
four, five, five sections tocount right here on air, and a
lot of stuff we've been dancingaround here in the last few
minutes is in the very firstsection, getting the most from
the hobby, and there's a lot ofstuff here that's important and
I'm just curious if I startedwriting these down, which I

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probably am going to.
Taking modeling risks, negativeself-talk around modeling,
things like that are all kind ofhow adventurous of a model are
you?
And they all kind of culminatedown to like line item 28, the
number one roadblock to yourmodeling.
Because all these things kindof culminate down to like line
item 28, the number oneroadblock to your modeling,
because it's it.
It kind of all these thingskind of feed into that and I can

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see this guide.
If you journal these things alittle bit, you maybe get a
little sense of what's holdingyou back and whether you like
taking risks and what doessuccess mean to you and things
like that yeah.

And then the nice thing I think too, for
anybody who, anybody who'sthinking about this when it says
how adventurous you are.
I mean, it's one of those.
You know, hey, how adventurousyou are, on a scale of one to 10
sort of, and what do you thinkof that number?
There's no right answer, right?
Some of us, I'm not superadventurous and I think
sometimes it's nice to go oh,you know what I'm not.
Maybe I want to push myselfGreat, so I do.

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Or maybe it's just like youknow what I can.
I have about 10 Destroids old80s kits from Macross and I can
build one of those every sixmonths and just enjoy the heck
out of it, just because, youknow, I got such fond memories
from the show.
So you know it's not like, oh,I'm going to be more adventurous

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, so you can, if you want.
It's really, too, about findingout what kind of modeler do you
want to be, and just be thatguy or gal, right, because
somebody else can bePanzermeister 36, who is awesome
, and I just watched a reallygood basic weathering thing
there, you know which I'mtotally going to try, you know,
but that's, that's awesome.

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I'm a different builder andit's totally.
It took me a while, though Ihonestly probably didn't build
for a while, because the stuffwasn't going to look as good as
I could be in my mind, and thatwas one of the things that you
know for me.
I had to get over as a modeler,cause it was just like I get it
, steve, but stop being aknucklehead, you know just.
You know sometimes I have to getout of my own way, right, and I

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think some of these questionsare to help us figure out.
We all get in our own way indifferent ways, and so here's a
chance to spend a little bit oftime, and you don't have to.
You can do this in any way youwant.
It could be a bulleted list,you could write out paragraphs
it really doesn't matter, aslong as they're coherent

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thoughts that you put down thatmake sense.
It will move you forward.
Totally different even in howyour brain works.
Your brain is way more activewhen you're handwriting as
opposed to typing and stuff, soit's crazy how it really does

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work.
It's different.
Instead of spending 10 minutesscrolling on something, maybe
just pick a question that seemsright and spend a few minutes
and see what happens, or jumparound, find a topic that feels
good for the.
You know, in the moment youdon't have to go in order at all
, but there is an order if youwant.

Mike and I were recently talking with Paul
Budzig.
One of the nice things abouttalking with him is that he
really thinks about modelingbeyond the surface technique
stuff.
He actually has some reallygreat philosophical insights and
he was talking about modelingbeing creation and modeling

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intentionally, and I think thatprobably a lot of modelers
because it's our hobby and wewant to enjoy it a lot of us
don't and I'd include myself inthis a lot of us don't think
deeply about what it is, whythis hobby is our hobby and what

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we get out of it hobby and whatwe get out of it and what we
enjoy out of it and what wedon't enjoy out of it.
And I think something like yourjournal really will help
somebody actually stop and thinkabout those for a second, and I

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think for many modelers, ifthey do, I think the answers
will surprise.
Think about those for a second.
They build, why they enjoy thisparticular hobby as opposed to

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golfing or bass fishing orwhatever be a cross stitch,
whatever other hobby.
And that's to me, when I lookat this, that is one of the big
benefits I see from it.

Well, and I hope that that happens Because it is
.
It's a great hobby and I hadfor a while.
When I got back into it youknow I was it took me a little
bit to.
I did it as a kid.
Now I'm doing it as an adultand I was private about it and

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in my office when I was teaching, at one point I got to the
point where I'm like you knowwhat?
This is something that I do.
I don't want to not be showingwho I fully for work, right, I
don't want to just all be notsaying who I am and have no
personality.
So I picked a couple models andput them up on a filing cabinet

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in my office and as an Englishteacher so all of us, we just
have a ton of books in ouroffices I put a couple models up
and I was actually sweatingbullets, right.
I was nervous Is somebody goingto walk by and go, what's that
stupid stuff or something?
Don't kids do that?
And it was the exact opposite.
You know, people would walk byand they'd be, hey, what's that?

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Did you make that?
And I'd be like, yeah, and theyweren't model builders.
So they would be like, wow,that must've took a lot of time
and I'd be like, oh, it was fun.
And then so my colleagues, itwas like, oh look, there's just
a, we're supportive students.
All of a sudden they hadsomething to look at.
You know, a lot of times theywould just be you know, going to
talk to a professor is now,he's fun.

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So they'd be oh look, he'shuman, you know he's, he's got a
model up where I do I'd havesomething up to like, for maybe
from like something I think theywould recognize, so something
from star wars or something.
And it was just, it was like myplanting my flag, you know,
saying to the public in theworld that, yeah, I build models
and I enjoy it and it's cool.

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And once I did that, though I Ifelt I was afraid at first,
right, that what people were in,and then I'm like I just had to
get over that because, dang it,I enjoy it.
And ever since I've done that,right, it has been nothing but
positive, and I only had acouple up.
I don't want to go crazy, butgiving away to the students at

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the end and just havingconversation pieces, and so
making this journal wasabsolutely a passion project and
putting something out there andsay this is a real hobby,
that's a hell of a lot of funand it's for all ages, right.
It's like tennis and golf forsports you can play that as long

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as your knees last, right.

And so, yeah, it's a lifetime hobby, and I
think as long as it's a lifetimehobby, right, let's make sure
we're getting the most out of itonce you completed it and
published it and put it out inthe world, think, oh, I should
have put this in, or I shouldhave put that in, and has that

(01:24:39):
led you to start doing a volumetwo?

Well, I didn't say I should have, but I have
all of a sudden started sayingooh, and I can add.
So, yes, I am actually startinga list.
It's going to be well, becauseI have some other projects in
there, but I'm thinking of and Iwill definitely be keeping my
ears open for feedback.
But, going forward, I have somenew ideas for questions,

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whether it's going more intospecifics or taking some of that
stuff that I love, like aboutflow and how you get into flow
and figuring out so, like fromall the research, if you want to
get into that flow right, it'shaving that challenge.
That's just a little bit abovewhere you're at right, so you're
not bored and you're excited,it's like okay.

(01:25:28):
So I'm starting to think howcan I take those things that we
know and turn them into goodquestions for volume two,
advanced questions for gettingthe most out of your hobby thing
, but definitely, I think, insix, seven months, very good
chance of a volume two.

Mike (01:25:49):
That's good news.
Well, I think a roadblock a lotof us run into that.
The next section in the book isthings around the actual hobby,
the building part of the hobby,and you just got a lot of
questions here that I think alot of us ask these for certain
projects and a lot of times.
But this is prettycomprehensive.

(01:26:09):
I think there's techniques andthings that that's where a lot
of fear comes in for people youknow back in the first section
of the book is how adventurousof a modeler are you, and then
the negative self-talk aroundmodeling.
A lot of that stuff probablycenters around, I would think,
things you don't think you'revery good at and maybe you need
a plan to get the level up tosomething you could be satisfied

(01:26:31):
with.

Yeah, right, and I think for so many of us right
now I'm sure you guys have evenmentioned it, right, what,
what's, what's your plan forgetting better?
And there is something concreteabout you know writing down.
It's like dang it.
I'm just.
You know, I got a finishedmodel.
It looks good.
I'm afraid to weather, maybeyou know that's the thing.

(01:26:55):
Okay, what's, what are somesimple things you could do to
start trying out weathering,right, and then, instead of
becoming some very big oh mygoodness, weathering, you know
it's like well, maybe I can do apin wash and that doesn't seem
so daunting, right, and what doI need?
I'll get some'll get a coupleoil paints and some thinner.
I already got the brush.

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Now, all of a sudden, itbecomes something realistic and
easy that, oh well, I can dothat.
I don't have to become a masterat weathering.
I can just take the one kitthat I have, or an old one off
the shelf.
Heck, even if I want, I'venever done it before.
And you know, do low cost, lowcost attempts at this stuff?

(01:27:36):
There's definitely in thosequestions that idea of figuring
out what you're up for.
Right, what's the what's?
A small step you can takethat's actually going to move
you forward and I think a lot oftimes the rest takes care of
itself right Once you get going.
I think a lot of times the resttakes care of itself right Once
you get going.

Mike (01:27:54):
Yeah, I think that's probably true.
And your neighbor, steve Hustad, up there in Minnesota.
He talks about spending a lotof time experimenting and
practicing, and that's somethingDave and I have taken to heart
during this past year.
And yeah, you just got tofigure out how to get to the
starting point and then give ita shot.

And not being afraid to fail.
Steve talks about experimentingand doing a lot of
experimenting before you trysomething on the model so that
when you finally do it on themodel, you already know how to
succeed.
But failure teaches us too.
But failure teaches us too.

(01:28:34):
And as much as success makes usbetter, failure makes us better
too.
But people a lot of modelersand myself included have a fear
of failure that, especially whena project is really really
going well, that becomes abigger and bigger boulder to

(01:28:55):
push up the hill.

So you guys just gave me an idea.
We need a new category outthere at shows Uh-huh, screw-ups
, failures, last-minutedestruction just where people
bring out their kit that looksgreat until they blew it at the
end or in the middle.
That's half built right,because we never see.
We see Steve Houston At leastI've seen his stuff at Nordicon

(01:29:21):
Holy crap, yes, yep, beautiful.
And now you said it.
He talks about experimenting andyou know he's failed, but I
never see his failures right.
I just see this beautiful thingwith 20 handmade sheep that he
made that are you know fourdifferent models of the sheep in
there.
It would be great.
There should be a categorywhere people get to bring in a
kit that they just botched, theymessed up, you know, and have a

(01:29:45):
table right and then everybodycan go by and go oh yeah, I did
that, that's a new one, you knowand just have.
Oh, I think of theconversations at that table.
We could all bring in ourmessed up but then have an award
for you know the good effort,you took a risk, you tried.

Yeah, nice try award.

Yes, nice, a nice try coin.
I could bring a lot of modelsto that table.

Yeah, you and me both.

Mike (01:30:20):
Well, we talked about the stash at the front end of this.
So the last question section ofyour book is sharing the hobby
and the future.
So some important stuff theretoo.
You mentioned bringing yourmodels in so co-workers can see
them.
I've kind of done that sort of.
My slideshow on my screensaveris a bunch of my builds and some

(01:30:44):
of our colleagues' builds arerunning across there.
But I think when I get thisfloat plane done it's going to
go to the office with me.

Nice, and you know there's a lot of ways too
to do that.
I mean, if you don't have anofficer, it's going to go to the
office with me, nice, andthere's a lot of ways too to do
that.
I mean, if you don't have anoffice or it's just not
something that's going to fitthere, like screensaver, having
it on your phone.
I've got one or two guys whoaren't modelers and every once
in a while, if I build somethingand I'm happy with it, I'll
just share or send it with apicture to them.
So there's other ways to youknow, having it on your

(01:31:16):
screensaver, your on your phone.
Plenty of ways to on this kindof on the subtle side too, to
have it.
If you don't just want them orif it doesn't really fit in, you
know where you are, or you knowif you're cross-country driving
.
There's nobody going to see it,but I'm just thinking how much
you could I know cross-countrytruckers right listen to a lot
of podcasts.
I would be cool to see ifthere's's a semi out there
somewhere that's got some stuffhanging in the cab.

(01:31:38):
That would be cool in the back.

Well, we actually have interacted with listeners
who are modelers and long-haultruckers At least three, yeah,
at least three that I can thinkof off the top of my head, yeah,
at least three that I can thinkof off the top of my head and
all of them A listen to a lot ofpodcasts because they're doing
a lot of driving, but also inmodern trucking, they have the

(01:32:05):
room where they can take withthem a basic modeling kit and a
model and can work on it whilethey're on the road.

That sounds good .
I have taken a building.
The building was really good.
I actually had water damage tomy house once.
I couldn't live in it for aweek, so torn up because all the
water damage.
And then to spend a half anhour just painting different
brick colors on this brick housewas like so relaxing and nice
and easy.
To do A little bin with thebuilding and some paints.

(01:32:54):
That can be a nice relaxing wayto when you're not at home too.

That's simple when you're not at home too.
That's simple.
Well, one of the first amazingmodelers I ever met, back when I
was, in fact, still in lawschool in my early 20s, was a
man named Carter Scales.
And Carter was yourold-fashioned traveling salesman

(01:33:19):
.
He worked for a company and hehad a route that he traveled
constantly in these same cities,visiting these same clients and
trying to visit new prospectsin his territory.
Well, of course, after he haddone the circuit a few times,

(01:33:42):
he'd seen everything in allthese towns that he wanted to
see, and so he had a little caseand he went to the hotel at the
end of his workday.
Wherever he was, in, whatevertown he was, was in whatever

(01:34:06):
town he was, and he, on thelittle desk in the hotel room,
opened up his work case andmodeled, and he produced some of
the most amazing models I'veever seen built to this day.
I mean, these things weregorgeous, which just goes to
show you, if you're determinedto do it, you can do that
anywhere.

Yeah, and how much more satisfying too.
I like vegging out in front ofthe television, in front of
other people too, but sometimescompare that to spending a half
an hour and have something thatyou built.
I mean, there's just no, nocomparison yep, screen screens
can be the enemy.

You find yourself just staring at them, just to
stare at them, and that's.
That's always a mistake, and Ione, I am guilty of well one in
sharing of the hobby.

Mike (01:34:56):
You know, dave and I talk a lot about getting out to shows
and and things like whetheryou're into the competitive side
of things or not.
A lot of us aren't, or were andaren't anymore, et cetera.
That's sharing of yourself.
Granted, it's with like-mindedpeople, but putting your stuff
out there in front of your peersit can be tough sometimes, yes,

(01:35:17):
and though also sharing thehobby, though doesn't have to be
with your peers.

Yes, and though also sharing the hobby, though
doesn't have to be with yourpeers, I wish neither of my boys
liked Star Wars.
I was seven when Star Wars cameout, so you know that mattered
to me.
I did the smart stuff to try toget him to building models
right.
Took something in my oldestlight horror I got him the

(01:35:44):
guillotine model right.
Took something in a you know myoldest light tour I got him the
guillotine model right, myyoungest.
At the time he had a lovedmonster truck.
So we actually got a monstertruck, built a gravedigger, I
think it was right.
And then it just panned out.
It's like dang it, it's nottheir thing, but they will sink
a ship with me in the pond.
So they've sank the Gato.
They've sank a battleship ofthe Missouri right, and they

(01:36:09):
sank a one piece.
So it's like, probably not yourtypical way of sharing your
modeling is, you know, shootingthem and sinking them.
But that is a way, a weird way,but I share with my hobby.
But that is a way, a weird way,but I share with my hobby.
And then down the street there'sthis really nice couple and
they've got three boys who arelike, you know, four, six and

(01:36:30):
eight or maybe six, eight andten.
Just, you know, tons of energy.
And we were talking and we'relike, hey, I build models and
like, oh, the dad is really cool.
And he's like, oh, I buildmodels.
And like, oh, the dad is reallycool.
And he's like, oh, I want to dothat.
And so went over there withsome really simple kits.
But just because I wanted themto have something that they
could do besides put themtogether, I brought over some

(01:36:52):
and this probably wasn't thesmartest idea but some panel
line stuff.
So they built a little modelbecause they didn't want them to
have to worry about painting oranything.
And then they put the panellines.
So the stuff popped and theyloved it and their fingers were
all black because they wouldn'tlet it dry before they were
touching it, right.
And so I'm like sorry aboutthat, james, but you know their

(01:37:15):
fingers are see him like, hey,when are we going to build a
model?
You know in?
So, absolutely going to theshows or I need I've been
thinking about I know there'stwo clubs in the twin cities and
I want to get to one of those,but it it can be.
You can neighbors, family, andyou might come up with some

(01:37:38):
creative ways to share the hobby, whether it it involves a BB
gun or something else.
Be open to whatever pops up,because that's the cool thing, I
think, dave, you mentioned thisright that you never know the
idea that's going to come to youunless you sit down for five,
10 minutes and actually write itout.
And then all of a sudden it'slike, oh man, right, yeah, I

(01:38:00):
could do that.
That might be fun.
I'll give it a try.
Why not?
Well?

Mike (01:38:05):
I think in wrapping up tonight we're going to let folks
know that and you know too,steve.
We talked about a little bitearlier, but you know, dave and
I do our shop talk about once amonth on the as the feature of
the episode.
And, dave, I think we need totake some of these questions as
maybe one of our questions onthe Shop Talks.

I agree with you.

Mike (01:38:27):
Give our take, our hot take on some of these, at least
for a little while, and maybesome other folks will start
thinking about some of thisstuff and take to this journal.

I'm anxious to sit down and start writing in it
and thinking about some ofthose questions.
Steve, tell people where theycan get it.

Okay, so there's two places to get it.
If you're in the United States,I'd recommend going to my
website, journal Insights,because there I can give you a
10% discount and it's also freeshipping.
So put in Mojo, you know why,and you'll get a 10% discount.
Right, that's Journal Insights,and then the other is

(01:39:10):
Journalinsightscom.
Yes, okay, and also, I sent youa link too, just in case you
want to put it in the show notes.
Yeah, Michael put that in theshow notes.
I think that's your best optionif you're in the States, or hey
, and if you're just like.
No, steve, I'm just a you wantto use Amazon.
It's on Amazon, I know fromthat first show.
I know it's sold in the UK.

(01:39:31):
You can get it, which is greatbecause of local shipping.
So check your Amazon if you Iknow you got viewers all over
the place If you're not in theus and you can't get it on
amazon, go to the journalinsights, send me an email,
right, and maybe it might makesense if you want to get some
guys together or something andI'll totally work with you.
It just postage is crazy for tosend something to canada.

(01:39:51):
This journal it's 20 bucks.
I know that's more than thejournal.
So you know, if you're, ifyou're out of the states and
amazon doesn't have it, you wantto get some guys in your club
together or something?
Just reach out and I'll try towork something out with you to
make it as reasonable aspossible with shipping.

We have a bunch of friends up in Canada and
shipping into Canada is so badthat there are a whole lot of
sellers of different things thatwon't ship to Canada, are a
whole lot of sellers ofdifferent things that won't ship
to Canada, and so these friendsend up buying stuff, shipping
it to our house and then we endup taking it to Canada when we

(01:40:31):
go up for a show, you know it'sbad right when you would send
something to Kentucky becauseit's cheaper and better to do
that in wait months to get it.

Yep Well, steve, we look forward to diving into
this and we thank you for beingour guest, because it's cheaper
and better to do that in waitmonths to get it?

Mike (01:40:43):
Yep.
Well, Steve, we look forward todiving into this and we thank
you for being our guest tonight.

Yes, very much so.
Oh, thank you.
This has been great, and Ican't wait to hear what you come
up with when you're journaling,all right.

Well, keep listening.
You're going to hear we'regoing to address some of these
things, because Mike and I bothfound some of the some of the
stuff in there reallystimulating and fascinating.
So that's great.
We'll see how it developsthrough the year well, steve
stay uh, stay warm in matamidaI'll do my best it's not much

(01:41:16):
better down here yeah, reallynot right now, because it's
still snowing, all right, well,you have a good evening.
You take care.

Mike (01:41:27):
Well, dave, that was fun.
Yes, and I'm glad Steve agreedto come on and talk about this a
little bit, and I hope somefolks take advantage of the
discount code and pick this upand give it a shot.
It's not very expensive.
It's probably worth lookinginto, in my opinion.
Yep, I agree, but for everybody, we're going to be taking one
of these topics in this journalover the next several or maybe

(01:41:50):
all year.
I don't know how long we'regoing to take one of these
journal topics and add it to ourshop talk.
So that'll be one question wedon't have to think of, dave,
yep, but one we'll have toponder and offer our insight on.
We're looking forward to it.
Steve was excited to have us dothat.
So folks check it out.
We'll put the information inthe show notes to get this.

(01:42:11):
He mentioned it in theinterview, but you can find that
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Mike (01:43:07):
Christian and Bill and the gang up there certainly had
their bench busy with some oftheir new stuff they've been
kicking out, which hopefullywe'll get to talk to them about
in the near future.
What's been going on with yourbench?

Dave, my bench has been sad, lonely.
I have, in the last two weeksI've done a little modeling.
I've worked a little bit on theMoosaroo not nearly as much as
I need to because, frankly, Ineed to get the Moosaroo.

(01:43:39):
I need to get the base modeldone, probably within the next
three to four weeks, so that Ican work on the vignette portion
, which I know what I want to do.
But I got to get to it and Idid do some work on the SAM to
the point where I am abouthalfway through some oil paint

(01:44:04):
modulation techniques that I'mworking on with Steve Hustad's
help.
Really, like I said, I've notgotten done nearly enough and
when I've gotten to the bench,many times it's late and I'm
exhausted and I've just staredat it and then made worse by the

(01:44:28):
fact that you are tearing it up.
They can't blame me.
Tell everybody about how you'vebeen tearing it up.
Of course they've all seen iton the dojo man.

Mike (01:44:40):
You got to get busy, dude.

Yeah.

Mike (01:44:42):
Steve was wondering if you were going to finish that plane
of yours for me.

No way, I told him.
I thought you'd finish first.

Mike (01:44:50):
Man, Jeff, do you know my shortcomings?

Yeah, but you got inspired.
You really got inspired In thelast.
Well, I would guess, since youwent on Christmas break, I think
you're right, dark time didn'tget me, you just got.
Yeah, you went the opposite ofdark time, baby, you got fired
up.
I mean you didn't even letkidney stones bring you down.

Mike (01:45:16):
I mean that's awesome, I wouldn't say that I've had.
A couple of nights last week Iwas like, eh, I better not touch
that model right now.
I need to figure out, go backand think through my time
management, because I don'tthink I've neglected anything
during my time off that neededto be done around here.
The only thing I didn't getdone was the storage stuff I

(01:45:39):
want to get finished in thefurnace room.
But that's not benchtophalftime report.
That was just.
I got interrupted by theweather.
Sure, so back to the bench.
My E16 Paul is flirting withcompletion, so exactly what I
mean.

You could call it complete at this point.
What do you have left that youwant to do?
There's some exposed metalchipping I want to do.

Mike (01:46:02):
There's some exposed metal chipping.
I want to do Okay With thePrismacolor.
So right now the paint, thefinal flats on it.
Right, the canopy masks are off.
What flat did you use?
I used Tester's dull coat.
Thinned about 90%.
10% dull coat lacquer to 90%hardware store lacquer thinner.

Okay, you didn't use unicorn gears.

Mike (01:46:28):
No.

Okay.

Mike (01:46:29):
You don't want to put a paint retarder in your flat coat
.

Gotcha.

Mike (01:46:35):
You might not end up with a flat coat, though with the
much flattening agent thatstuff's got in it, it probably
wouldn't matter.
But it's almost all thinneryou're spraying.

Right.

Mike (01:46:46):
It's like you're almost putting nothing on it, but it's
flat, it's really flat.

Yeah.

Mike (01:46:50):
So that's done.
Well, before I did that I hadto go back and I had some
handling bumps and bruises.
Trailing edge of the wing was aplace that had a lot of wear
back down the primer so I had totouch up the top side green on
those.
Basically, the way I did thatas I got a good consensus
consistency of my base colormixed with the tamiya retarder

(01:47:13):
and just moderate brush loadjust hit the trailing edge of
the wing about the middle of thethe bristles.
Yeah, so you don't, you're not,you don't have the tip riding
across the top of the wing orright the underside of the wing
and just put another coat ofpaint on that and I got all that
done.
Had a couple of knocks on itthat I touched up and and a

(01:47:33):
couple places on the henamaruwith some red and then, once I
had all that brushwork done, Ijust flatted it again and then,
since then I've got the top sidewingtip lights done.
I got to flip it over and dothe bottoms tomorrow and this
chipping I want to do.
I don't want to do a lot.
Sure, looking at photos I canfind most of the carrier-based

(01:47:57):
or ship-based planes were betterkept than the ones that were
working out of harbors andmarinas along the South Pacific.
They just I guess these folkshad time on their hands to touch
up the paint and whatever beingon a ship, but they just seemed
to be in a little bit bettercondition.
And you know, at some point it'slike, eh, I better stop.
I hear you, and after that Ijust have to mate it to the

(01:48:18):
catapult.

Well, when you removed the canopy masks, it
looks like you had a.

Mike (01:48:24):
It was pretty good.
There was a piece of debris onthe turtle deck.
You know the tapered tailsection of the greenhouse and I
don't know what it was or whereit came from or when, but I took
a toothpick and a chisel,tipped the end of it and slid it
up in there and at least shovedit out of the way.
And you know the canopy, it'sthe best canopy I've ever done.

(01:48:49):
Is it perfect?
No, but it ain't bad.

Canopy masks, man make all the difference in the
world.

Mike (01:48:56):
The problem is the demarcation of the framing on
this old Fujimi canopy was notthat great.

You're limited.
It's just like the face on afigure.
You can be the best painter inthe world, but if the molding is
so-so, there's only so much youcan do.

Mike (01:49:18):
But it came out pretty good.
I'm happy with it.
But it came out pretty good,I'm happy with it.
So once I get this chippingdone, I got to put the propeller
on it and then made it to thecatapult, which is I'm not sure
how I'm going to do that.
Yet there's no positive Right.
Again, rewind hit the rewindbutton.
I fudged a couple of pockets onthe bottom fuselage center

(01:49:41):
where the forward tube mountingpoints are.

Right.

Mike (01:49:44):
On the launch trolley and then I don't know, Pinned it or
something.
It'd have been nice to pin thething on there, to pin it to the
plane Right Before I startedpainting it.
So now I don't have a lot ofoptions.
I'm probably going to get itexactly where I want it and then
use some extra super thin CA totack it to the launch trolley.

Yep.

Mike (01:50:12):
And hope I don't make a mess somewhere.
So this chapter, this book'scoming to a conclusion.

Well, good, now you can get that KV-85 done.

Mike (01:50:22):
Yeah, which is one I haven't touched over the
holidays.
Now I was working on the littleflak panser, the 3D model.

Yeah.

Mike (01:50:30):
I did.
On the underside, where therear plate matches the rest of
the hull, I added a weld seamout of epoxy putty and it came
out kind of meh.
The problem is the groove wherethose two parts meet isn't very
uniform, so you don't get avery nice looking weld seam.
So I I think what I'm going todo on the whole size, I'm just

(01:50:51):
going to fill it and give someof those archer decal weld seams
a shot gotcha, because I likethe way evans came out on Panzer
II.
I do too so, and I've gotseveral sets of those.
Yeah, might as well use them.
Sure, it's like a goodopportunity, because this kit
you know I'm not striving forit's paper Panzer, so don't need

(01:51:13):
to get too wrapped around theaxle about any of it that one
shouldn't take long to finishbuilding.
There's not a lot to it.
So I got to get my printer washtank refilled with alcohol so I
can reprint a few parts.
But other than that, that'spretty much my bench.

Well, good, can't wait for next episode, when you
tell us what your nextproject's going to be.

Mike (01:51:35):
Yeah, I know.
Well, if you got nothing else,I don't either.
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Mike (01:52:08):
Well, Squadron's prices are pretty good.

Yep, and they ran some sales over the holidays,
man they did they did, man theycould hurt.
Speaking of getting your wallethurt, mike, did anything break
your wallet over the holidays?

Mike (01:52:25):
Well, I was going to say before I realized you lead this
segment was that their pricesare pretty good, and if you
broke your wallet at Squadron,I'm sure Brandon Company is
happy.
But that's all on you, man.

That's right.

Mike (01:52:37):
Yes, I've bought a few things.

Okay, tell me.

Mike (01:52:42):
Let's go from least interesting to most.
All right, I bought some newleads for my drafting pencil.
Okay, this is a big deal for me, all right, I get a lot of use
out of my drafting pencil and Igot some Tamiya tape that's got
the plastic sheeting alreadyattached to it.
Yep, got some the tamiya tapethat's got the the plastic

(01:53:03):
sheeting already attached to it.
Yeah, now I posted on the dojothat I had, uh, you know, I was
masking the, uh, the wingtiplights.
There's some plastic showingsomebody.
Somebody had mentioned I'd useparafilm, that's.
That's not what that was.
I just made my own plastic andtape masking.
So sure, basically what thisstuff is.
It's to me a tape of a certainwidth and then overlapped onto
some fraction of.

(01:53:24):
It is about six inches ofplastic sheeting, right, so you
can get the clean edge with themask and then the plastic
shields a pretty wide area.
Now, the one I got is the onethat's about six inches wide.
They make another one thatfolds out a couple of, and it's
like I can't remember.

(01:53:45):
I want to say it's about nineinches or something like that
maybe a foot.
I mean unless you're buildingbig ships.

Well, not only that, but unless you've got your
airbrush on blast, youshouldn't be getting overspray
more than six inches away fromthe edge you're painting.

Mike (01:54:03):
Oh, you might be surprised .
Generally that's true, but Igot some of that.
The coolest thing I got, dave,is from a Polish company called
F&A Miniatures.

Okay.

Mike (01:54:15):
Not F&A, like the surfers say.

Right.

Mike (01:54:17):
But F&A Miniatures out of Poland.
Wz-34 armored car.

I am interested in that Good because I got two
of them.
All right, you are the man.

Mike (01:54:30):
This company.
They're 3D printed models.
Kits, they're kits.
This is a subject I startedmany years ago.
There was a little companycalled sardi, that kid kitted
one in plastic.
It's just awful.
And then the original squadronin their encore line had it too
yes and I probably got one ofthose back there on the shelf.

(01:54:53):
yeah, in fact I think I have thecarcass of that project in in
that box.
Anyway, this is like a freshand I'm anxious to check it out.
They sell mostly through theirFacebook page, so I'll put this
link in the show notes.
They don't have a website, butthey also make a lot of other
Polish equipment that wascontemporary to the start of

(01:55:16):
World War II, the September 39invasion of Poland.
So they've got, I think, astaff car and a truck and
they've got an anti-aircraft gunand this armored car and then
the WZ-28 was an earlier armoredcar that was still in service
then.
So if that campaign interestsyou, you might want to check it
out and then when this kit comesI'll let everybody know what

(01:55:38):
it's all about.
And that's the most excitingthing I've bought.
But what about you?
You bought anything.

Well, jim Bates was placing a hand at his order
and, of course, thinking of hisfriends, emailed me and said,
hey, I'm placing a hand at hisorder, do you want anything?
And of course I can't resistthat.
So there was a decal sheet Iwanted.
So he threw that in.

(01:56:05):
So I've got a decal sheetcoming from Hannitz via Jim Inch
.
Jeff Groves, inch High, wasplacing an order with two
companies One White StorkMiniatures, again out out of
Poland, for some 3D-printedfigures and said, hey, I'm

(01:56:27):
placing an order, do you wantstuff?
And of course I went on theirwebsite and, yeah, get me this
and this and this.
So those came in and we've gotto hook up with an inch so that
I can pay him and pick those upfrom him.
He also was placing a decalorder and said, hey, do you want

(01:56:48):
any sheets from this company?
Of course, Decals.
I can't resist.
So I've got some F4D decals,the 50s Navy jet fighter, I've
got some Japanese and Britishpilots and some civilians from

(01:57:10):
White Stork Miniatures, 3dprinted figures, and then, god,
I'm not sure what the decalsheet I ordered with Jim was,
but he'll remind me when helistens to this episode.
And then the big thing I got,which was kind of modeling
adjacent, is I ordered a laserprinter, color laser printer,

(01:57:34):
which I really ordered because Ineeded it for actual use.
But it does have some possiblemodeling applications and we'll
see down the road if this laserprinter gets put to some
modeling use.
Well, I hope so.

(01:57:55):
I do too.
So that's it.
Well, we didn't do too bad.
No, we didn't.
No, we didn't do too bad.
No, we didn't.
No, we didn't.
Mike, we're at the end of theepisode.
I'm at the bottom of mymodeling fluid glass.
How was your modeling fluid?

(01:58:15):
Well, russell's, it can't bebad.

Mike (01:58:18):
Not bad, and I think I'm still batting a,000 for
listeners who've tried it Yep,yep.

Well, that's one that you recommend that you
really can't go wrong with.

Mike (01:58:30):
No, it's pretty good stuff .
What about yours?

This stuff is good.
I will tell you Now.
It's 93 proof, so 46.5% alcoholby volume.
Three proof so 46.5% alcohol byvolume.
And there is a little bit ofheat at the end of the sip,

(01:58:55):
where you, you know, with hotterbourbons you tend to get that.
But it's beautifully smooth andthe sherry comes through, but
very, very subtly.
If you didn't know that it wasfinished in sherry casks I'm not
sure you could say that that'swhat you were tasting.
But it's there and it reallysmooths out the sip.

(01:59:16):
This is great.
I enjoy it.
I'll be nursing it slowly totry and keep it alive as long as
humanly possible.
What do they call it on thebottle?
They call it Rabbit HoleDerringer, kentucky Straight

(01:59:37):
Bourbon Whiskey finished in PXsherry casks.
What they do is they obviously,in order to make it a bourbon,
they have to first age it incharred white oak never used
charred white oak barrels.

Mike (01:59:53):
That's where I was going.
Does the finish change itsliquor designation?

No, it does not, as long as it is initially aged
in charred white.
Never used charred white oakbarrels.
It's a bourbon.
You can then re-barrel it inany barrel you want and it's
still bourbon.
You couldn't age it completelyin the sherry casks and call it

(02:00:19):
bourbon in the sherry casks.
And call it bourbon, mike.
We're at the end of the episode.
Do you have some shout outs?

Mike (02:00:30):
I do, and like I always do , dave, I'm going to shout out
our most recent contributors tothe show, one of which was our
guest, steve Anderson's.
A new patron, ted Pendergrass,David Roach, jeremy Peterson and
Steve Chirazowitz have allchosen to support Plastic Model
Mojo financially and we reallyappreciate it, and right now is

(02:00:53):
as good a time as any folks.
We are rolling out a newwebsite and all these funds are
being put to good use to makethat a reality and then, once it
gets all launched, we're goingto move on to a phase two and
all this is going to help bringphase two to reality.
So thanks, guys, forcontributing to the show it
means a lot and all of thosefolks out there who are

(02:01:16):
contributing to Plastic Modeland the Mojo.
It's really humbling and it'sbeen a big help, especially in
2024, going into 2025.

Well, I'd like to shout those people out too.
Thank you very much.
We really do appreciate it.
We're plowing the money backinto the podcast, the website,
everything, and we couldn't dothis without you.
So thank you very much.
Additionally, I'd like to shoutout both Jim Bates and Jeff

(02:01:45):
Groves, who were kind enough,when they were placing orders
with different model vendors, totext me or email me and say hey
, do you want something?
A?
That's always a way to get meto spend money, but it's also
very, very kind to think of mewhen you're doing something like

(02:02:08):
that.
So Jim and Jeff are both verygood friends and I really
appreciate them doing that.

Mike (02:02:15):
Well, Dave, that is the end of the episode.

Yes, it is First one of 2025 is in the books.

Mike (02:02:21):
There we go, so as we always say, so many kids, so
little time.
Dave and I'll see you soon.
See you soon, Mike.

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