Reflecting on 2024 and Exciting Plans for 2025: Episode 131

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The Voice of Bob (Bair) (00:12):
Welcome to Plastic Model Mojo, a
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and events around the hobby.
Let's join Mike and KentuckyDave as they strive to be
informative, entertaining andhelp you keep your modeling mojo
alive.

Mike (00:48):
Oh man, dave, we are at the end of the year.

Kentucky Dave (00:51):
Yes, we are Almost exactly at the end of the
year.

Mike (00:56):
That's right, your dark period's almost over.

That's right, that's right.
I'm looking forward to 2025.

Mike (01:04):
Well, at this year end, what is up in your model sphere?

Well, you know, looking back over my model
sphere for 2024, and I didn'taccomplish everything I wanted
to, but I finished a model.
I've got a couple very close,so I've kind of got a running
start to 2025.
But, more importantly than whatI finished and didn't finish, I
had fun, and that is what thehobby is supposed to be is fun.

(01:40):
Man, we went to, I think, arecord number of shows.
That's right, or at least I did.

Mike (01:49):
You missed out on one or two.
I got a record for me, butwe'll get into all that a little
bit down the road here.
But what else Anything?
Just recap, and I guess it'swhat we're here to do tonight.

Yeah, you know, the interactions with the
listeners were fantastic.
I got plenty of kits and plentyof supplies and other stuff.
I don't think I've enjoyed ayear of modeling as much as I
enjoyed this last year.

(02:19):
Good, so that's a good thing.
My model sphere is full of joy.
How about you?

Mike (02:27):
Mine is as well, and we'll get to some of the details for
2024 a little later in thisshort episode.
I'll address that first.
We got a truncated finalepisode of the year.
I think I was a bit naive tothink we could get everything in
that we wanted to get in for2024, given the holidays right
smack in the middle of it, yeah.

So Our eyes were bigger than our stomachs.

Mike (02:52):
That's right, which happens a lot this time of year
yes, it does.
You know I've been working alot on the new banner graphics
for all our social media stuffthat's going to start showing up
soon, and then I've beenthinking about what we can do
for Plastic Model Mojo in 2025.
And I just want to make sure Ienjoy that this coming year as

(03:15):
much as I did this past like you, yeah, so you're feeling the
juices flowing is what you'retelling me.
Yeah, I'm feeling the juicesflowing.
What you're telling me?
Yeah, I'm feeling the juicesflowing.

That's fantastic.
Speaking of things flowing, I'massuming you have a modeling
fluid in front of you.

Mike (03:34):
Oh, sorta Sorta.
It's a new one, it's called DrPepper.

Oh my gosh, have we had our fill of holiday cheer
?
Have we gotten to the limit?

Mike (03:49):
Well, if we got to the limit, we're knocking this out a
little earlier in the eveningthan we normally do and, yeah, I
might need to do somethingafter we're done.
Let's go to bed.
I hear you.

What about you?
Well, I'll uphold the honor ofthe podcast.
Thank you I have.
I think this is a new one,another one courtesy of the
model wife.
It's called Boatswain AmericanIPA, india Pale Ale from well,

(04:22):
boatswain is the way it'ssupposed to be pronounced for
you, navy guys and RhinelanderBrewing out of Monroe, wisconsin
and any beer out of Wisconsinyou know has got to be good,
because those people know beer.

Mike (04:40):
Well, we can't wait to hear that one in the wrap up.
That one's new to me.
I've not heard of that one.
Another one courtesy of themodel wife.
Ah well, good, she's takingcare of you, man, that's right.

Made it another year.
That's right Now.
We've just got to stock up onmodeling fluids for 2025.
Hopefully you got some as gifts.

Mike (05:03):
I did.
We'll put those out in the newyear.
That's good, can't wait.
Well, folks, normally we wouldbe sticking the listener mail in
here, but we're givingourselves a little break here
for this last episode.
We're going to defer all thatuntil the first episode of 2025.
We got some good stuff.
We got several long ones, dave.

(05:24):
I just really haven't had timeto get into them all and they're
multi-part and I'm anxious to.

Well, this gives us a chance for all of the
listeners out there to write inand tell us what your holiday
modeling experience was like.
Did you get to model?
Did Santa bring you things thatyou wanted?
Did you take advantage of anyChristmas sales?

(05:53):
Write in and tell us what yourholiday experience was like.

Mike (05:58):
You were almost clairvoyant.
I'm good.
I was going to list your mailto call to action.
One of them is obviously rightinto the show, like you just

(06:19):
suggested.
Yes, I'm good, but Dave justsuggested your holiday modeling
experience.
But give us a high point foryour 2024 and give us a teaser
about what you hope to havehappen in your hobby in 2025.

Those are both great subjects.
What's the model that somebodybuilt that they're most happiest
in 2024 and what their goal isfor 2025?

Mike (06:52):
Well, they're going to hear us talk about those two
things.
I want to lead this undefinedsegment now with a 2024 wrap up
and just what all we got done inthis past year, with a 2024
wrap up and just what all we gotdone in this past year.

Paul Budzik (07:05):
All right.

Mike (07:11):
As far as content goes, I think we've started doing these
shorts and some other things andwe've put out a record amount
of content.
Yes, in 2024.

Yep and had a record amount of downloads too.

Mike (07:21):
Yeah, we have, things are moving, certainly moving in the
right direction.

Absolutely.

Mike (07:26):
So we appreciate all the folks tuning in and helping with
that man.
We went to a bunch of showsthis year, dave yep, yep, I
think.

I think we counted nine nine between us
yeah or I went I think well, youwent to one different than me
because you didn't make thelouisville show that's right, I
went to knoxville you went toknoxville because you didn't
make the Louisville show.
That's right, I went toKnoxville.
You went to Knoxville becauseyou missed out on Louisville due
to inclement weather.

Mike (07:50):
Yep, I did so.
We hit the big ones, for sure.

Yes, well, in fact, when you take a look at it
, we hit both Amps National andthe IPMS National national and
the IPMS national yeah, for theIPMS national we had a crew go

(08:14):
with us which was really kind ofan international crew go with
us, which was really kind ofenjoyable.
And, boy Madison, you all did a, you know, shout out to you,
you all did a great job, it wasfantastic.
And HeritageCon, yeah, andHeritageCon as well.
So we hit three big shows aswell as a bunch of invitationals

(08:39):
and the MMSI show.

Mike (08:40):
Oh, that's right.
Before big shows yeah, we addedthat one this year.

Yeah, that's right.
I mean before big shows.
Yeah, we added that one thisyear.
Yeah, that's right, and I thinkwe'll try and add that again
next year because I really,really enjoyed that and it was
not a bad trip.
Now you did all the driving, soso you know, it's kind of kind
of funny for me to say it wasn'ta bad drive but it really was,
it wasn't.

Mike (09:02):
I mean that's not.
I mean it's not a short trip,but it's not.
It's well, well within ouraverage force.
Yes for shows, it's just not.

It's not too bad, especially for an overnighter
yep, yep no, that was a fun timeand I picked up a number of
kits that I wanted.
Uh, I, I at the nationals, Ireally ended up finding a number
of good deals.
Thank gosh we were driving, sothat we didn't have to try and
fit it all in suitcases and getit on an airplane.

Mike (09:33):
I got some good stuff this year too, but I was, I guess,
well-reserved.
You were more restrained than Iwas.
I didn't get too crazy.
Let's go ahead and say that Ididn't get too crazy, no.

I bought a lot of books this year.
Yes, I did too.
Not only did I buy kits, Ibought a fair number of books,
between stuff I picked up atshows and stuff that Inch High
encouraged me to buy.
Every time he sent me andforwarded me an email that says,
hey, hamilton Books is having abig blowout sale, and he got me

(10:10):
with that on at least twooccasions this year.
You know we tried out some newairbrushes, courtesy of Dr
Miller.
We did our first giveawaylistener giveaway with B24,
thanks to our friends atSquadron.
You know we planned to do a lotat the beginning of 2024, but I

(10:40):
don't know that even we plannedeverything that came out as
well as it did.

Mike (10:47):
No, we did pretty good, man.
Thanks for all the support,folks.
It's been a lot of fun and nowwe're getting ready to start a
new year.
Before we get into that, though, I don't know if we've finished
a lot of things We've beenbuilding a lot of stuff.
Yes, I know some folks outthere would like us finish more
and we'll try.
But you know you've got, you'vehad several builds going on.

(11:12):
I know you finished the, thelanding craft yes, I did.

I got the lane.
Not only did I finish thelanding craft, I took it to
madison where it was enteredwith the September's group build
and we had a great turnout inthat group build.
I've got the SAM really close.
I've been cranking away on theMoosaroo, because that's a

(11:37):
deadline that's coming up quick.
I got that BT-7.
I've got the F-8.
That's crying for me to comeback to it and I have not
forgotten it.
And Ian McCauley's performancein Reviving Shelf Queens has
kind of inspired me to try andtake a look at making 2025 the

(12:02):
year that I dust off some ofthose ones that have been
sitting for a while.

Mike (12:09):
Well, I finished the Moose Root Cup for this past for 2024
.
That was fun.
Yeah, it wasn't a great kid,but I enjoyed that.

I think I had your innovative idea.

Mike (12:30):
Well, it's in the display case now and it still makes me
smile.
It's pretty funny.
It was Other than that, I'vebeen chipping away at this E16.
That one's moving forward.
We'll have a Benchtop updatehere in a little while, but,
yeah, that one's getting closeto done.
And I've also got the uh kv-85I've been working on and the

(12:55):
little flak panzer 3d thing, anduntil I get something done I
won't be starting anything else.
But you know, I look back andI've had a number I'd hope to
finish and once again I didn'tdo it.
So I'm probably not going to dothat anymore.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thinkthat's.

I don't know well , let's again the question to
ask yourself did you have funthis year?
Yes, whether you finishedanything at all or not, did you
have fun?

Mike (13:25):
I had as much fun as I've ever had in this hobby this past
year.

The same for me, man, and I don't think you could
ask for more out of a hobbythan that.

Mike (13:36):
I think you're right.
Well, looking on into thiscoming year, man, we got a lot,
we're trying to get done again.
Year man, we got a lot, we'retrying to get done again.
I don't think it'll lookdrastically different than 2024,
but we've got a new segmentwe're going to be adding on the
off weeks that we'll talk abouta little later after the first

(13:59):
of the year, but that's going tobe fun.
And then we're going to have tokick up the wheel again,
because I've told Uncle EdBarrett that he's going to be
our third chair on the wheel ofAccidental Wisdom, first time we
run that again in the new year,which hopefully will be first
quarter sometime.

Yeah, so send those questions in folks.

Mike (14:19):
That's right.
We need some more questions.
I put back a bunch of listenermail.
I've got probably five.
I need to get out of thosebefore I throw it out and forget
about it yes and just for theshow, I think we're going to try
to keep up the pace that we'veestablished here in 2024,
because we stepped it up alittle bit yes, we, we did.

We went from just two episodes a month most
months to two episodes a TMM, ashow spotlight and sometimes a
Dr Miller short or a vendorshort.
So yeah, we're dropping a lotmore content, so expect more of
that.

Mike (15:02):
You know, I think we've dropped at least, well, two
episodes and and and two, twobonuses since I don't know,
since most of the year I guess,and that's that's been fun,
cause a lot of those things youknow, for us aren't aren't too
much additional work, so it'sgood stuff.

Well we've.
We've had a lot of fun with itI mean whether whether it's
sitting there talking with drmiller, you know, doing a short
on some aspect of airbrushing orfinishing or whatever, or
sitting down and talking withbrandon of squadron about you
know what's been going on in hisbusiness and the move and kind

(15:44):
of a behind the scenes to thehobby, to the business side of
the hobby.
Those have been fun.

Mike (15:52):
Well, we'll talk to those people.
And more, dave, yes, we will,and we also.
It's kind of content related,but the whole thing's going to
be wrapped around our newwebsite Not quite going to get
it done before the first of theyear, but we are really really,
really close.
I talked to those guys my lastweek of work my last workday, I
think and I sent them one morebit of information they needed

(16:15):
and I think they're going to putthe final draft up on the
preview site and we're going tohave a look at it and then we're
going to pull the trigger onthat and folks, when that
launches, expect the banners onall the social media to change.
It's all going to match.
It's all going to be lookingpretty good, so can't wait for
that.
And then I got to start talkingto those guys about phase two,

(16:35):
which is going to hopefullyincorporate things that will let
us have a lot more engagementwith our audience.

Yes, yeah, because that is the thing, to be
honest with you, that I'veenjoyed most about modeling in
2024 is engaging with all of thelisteners, and you know, like I
said, there's nothing more thatI enjoy on a Monday morning.
I'm at the office, I'm grindingthrough legal work, which you

(17:04):
know can sometimes not be themost interesting thing in the
world, especially when you'redoing the detail side of it and
to get a DM out of the blue froma listener with either a
comment or a question orsuggestion, and that's that's.
There's nothing that brightensmy day more than that.

(17:24):
So, yeah, I hope we get moreengagement with the listeners in
2025.

Mike (17:31):
But not at the expense of our benches, dave, no, no,
that's right.
So in 2025, you've hinted alittle bit about you're hoping
to clear some shelf coins.
What's your, what's your buildoutlook?
Well on that, and is thereanything else you might want to
kick off new in 2025?

There are.
Well, I was hoping to get theSAM across the line before 2024,
but, absent a miracle, it'sgoing to be close.
I mean super, super, superclose.
But that will clearly be thefirst thing I finish in 2025,

(18:11):
followed closely by the Moosaroo, because that's a deadline.
I got to get that done by thebeginning of March.
Got a couple of Bearcats fromthe Hobby Boss Quick Build Kit
that I'm putting together forthe September-ish entry for
Hampton, and then there are acouple well, there's tons of

(18:43):
things I want to do and choosingis going to be kind of tough
want to do another tamiya zero.
I just they're, they're soenjoyable, I want to.
Uh.
Steve huestad has been showingme the work that he did on his
edward 10 109Gs and singing thepraises of those kits to the

(19:08):
point that you know I acquiredseveral at the Nationals and I
think he's got me convinced thatI've got to build at least one
of those.
And then I would like to.
I meant to start in 2024 anddid not.
I meant to start a B24D and Iam bound and determined that I'm

(19:33):
going to start one of those in2025.

Mike (19:38):
You better get something done.

Yes, I got to get some things done and then I got
a couple of shelf queens.
I've got a Platts T33 that it'sin primer.
I mean there's no excuse fornot finishing that thing.
It's sitting there in primerand you're probably right.
Setting a number is not.
I don't know.

(20:09):
It may put false pressure onyou.

Mike (20:13):
You got enough real pressure through your obligatory
build.

Yes, that's right .
So I've got some goals and I'vegot some models that I want to
build, and you know what?
I'm looking forward to themAgain.
2024 was probably my mostenjoyable year in the hobby.
I'm hoping 2025 will even topit.
We'll see how about you?

Mike (20:38):
Well, I think the E16 is going to be done.
I'm not going to put a time onit, but pretty soon.
Kind of like you're playing.

Yeah, you're close, I'm close, you are super
close.

Mike (20:49):
We'll talk about that in a little bit, about what all has
been going on with it.
And then you know the other twotanks I got going on.
They should move on prettyquick because a lot of the hard
work, especially on the KV-85s,is done.
It's all just look and do.
Now, um, right, and then theflak panzer.
I don't have big, big plans forright you're just doing it to.

It's an experiment, right.

Mike (21:15):
Your first full 3d kit, that's right I, you know, I
think in 2025, the next thing Istart it's going to be it's.
It's going to be one off theold list, one of the more
involved projects off of there.
It could be the Katyusha, itcould be the Maltier rocket
launcher.
I really want to get into oneof those projects.
I think I'm to the point nowthat someday never comes, man.

Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
If you keep telling yourselfyou're going to build it next
year, you'll never end upbuilding it, or at least
starting it.

Mike (21:49):
Working on it I may never finish it Right.
And then I think, on the kindof technique front I don't know,
I'm going to look into thislaser cutting a little more.
I want to do that, I don't know.

I think I want to figure out what I can do with
that and and see if that's goingto be a viable thing I was
going to ask you, on the nextproject that you start, do you
think you'll use either makingyour own photo, edge 3d printing
your own parts or laser cuttingstuff for parts or components

(22:29):
for the project?

Mike (22:31):
Of those three things I think, I don't know which one.

Yeah.

Mike (22:37):
Yeah, something will creep in somewhere.
It's just going to Scope creep.
Well, we got shows to go to in2025.
We got a website to get rollingand we got our own builds.
Man, yes, we do.
Well, folks, like we saidearlier, please let us know what
you got.
What are your hopes andaspirations for 2025?

(22:58):
Yeah, dave, we talk about ourlisteners in the community a lot

(23:24):
and we're sincere in that, andwe've made some really, really
good friends since we startedthe podcast.

Yes.

Mike (23:34):
And, oddly enough, with the exception of Jim who's also
in this little core group ofgreat new friends we've made.
They're not so new anymore butthey're certainly new since we
started the podcast All ourfriends up in Ottawa.

Yes, we've made friends with a lot of Canadians,
which may say something aboutthem, may say something about us
, who knows but a bunch of greatguys, a bunch of great modelers
Again, I talk about how much Ienjoyed the hobby in 2024, and

(24:09):
these guys were definitely apart of that.

Mike (24:13):
Well, these guys are all well, they're all Canadians,
mostly from Ottawa.
Jim's Canadian too sometimes.

Yes, sometimes.

Mike (24:22):
But he's not from Ottawa.

He's trans-Canadian.

Mike (24:25):
We got a build group that gets online.
We use the same platform, werecord the podcast on and get a
good, clean connection and we'llsit and build and joke and cut
up and banner back and forth.
The nickname of the group isthe Spazzers and before we get
accused of making disparagingcomments about folks with

(24:46):
certain challenges, that's notwhere the name comes from.
The name Spazzers comes from anerror on the decal sheet for
the Trumpeter God what is it?

Jim Bates (24:58):
The Ferry.

Mike (24:58):
Gannet yes, and I'll put that in the graphic for the
podcast so folks can see.

Because it is pretty funny.

Mike (25:08):
It's pretty funny.
It's just either it's a badtranslation or they copied a
real mistake on a real signsomewhere.

Well, what it was was that the gannet that they
did the markings for the kit wasa museum piece.
It was a gate Right Like a gateguard was a museum piece.
It has a gate Right like a gateguard, a museum piece, and it
had a sign affixed to it thatsaid no trespassers.

(25:36):
And apparently when they weremaking the decal the TRE part of
that fell off and didn't makeit on the decal.
So it says no spatsers.

Mike (25:54):
So that's where the name comes from.
We recorded a little segmentwith those guys recently and
talked about your current andthe year to come, and let's get
into that, dave.

Yep.

Mike (26:10):
Well, dave, we got a crowd tonight.
We have, I think, every memberof the illustrious spazzers with
us tonight.

Yes, we do.

Mike (26:22):
If, if, if folks are curious about the name, it's our
, our little bill group andreference the.
I think it's the trumpeterGannett kit.
Jim Bates, Is that right?
That is absolutely correct,yeah, well we'll start with you,
Jim Jim Bates, formerly ofScale Canadian TV.
How are you doing?

Jim Bates (26:38):
tonight Doing wonderful Hearing a rainy night
in Seattle.

Mike (26:42):
Oh, you're back in Seattle Still keeping the dogs.

Jim Bates (26:45):
No, I'm in Tacoma, but Okay, rainy night in the
Pacific Northwest.

Mike (26:51):
And we've also got Ian McCauley.
He's your favorite hobby shopclerk and he's one of our
moderators over on the PlasticModel Dojo and probably the most
prolific kit finisher among usyeah Well, the only one probably
oh ow Shot fired.

(27:12):
I got the Moose through donethis year.
I got one.

There you go, you and I both have one, mike.

Mike (27:19):
We do.
We have Panzermeister36, EvanMcCallum Evan, what's happening?

Evan McCallum (27:25):
Oh, nothing much.
I'm trying to become like Ianand finish more kits at the end
of the year here to up my countfor the season, but not doing
too well.

Are you working on the next video?

I'm always working on like five videos man.

Okay.

A few things on the go.

Mike (27:45):
And finally, a model airplane maker, Mr Chris Wallace
.
Chris, how are you doing?

Chris Wallace (27:51):
I am doing very well, mike, thank you.

Mike (27:54):
You're welcome.
I guess we're going to startwith you, since you're the last
one to introduce.
Chris 2024 has come to a close.
I hope you had a good Christmasand happy new year.
What?
Are the what are the highpoints of your 2024?

Well, I finally built a model studio that's
befitting someone of my stature,and by that I mean it's not in
a dank, dark part of thebasement and I can actually see
what I'm looking at.

And has a six-foot ceiling.

That's for sure.
I don't know.
Other than that, I think I'mlooking forward to mostly just
getting back to regular buildingagain, now that I have a space
that I actually enjoy.
I think that was really a mainpart of it, other than all the
other stuff that I had to doonce I moved houses.
So I'm looking forward to a lotmore building this year.
Looking forward to seeing youguys in a couple of months and,

(28:48):
yeah, we'll see where the wherethe year takes.

Mike (28:51):
Have we have?
We got our digs for heritagegone yet Indeed, we do, mike.

It's already all booked up, reserved and has our
name on it.

Mike (28:58):
All right, is it where we were last year?

It is in within crawling distance for the venue,
so you'll be very happy.
It's exactly the same spot allright.

Well, that worked out nice that did we really go
ahead, chris?
So last year, what contests didyou get to?

I only got to heritage con okay, you didn't
make the local show or anythinglike that no, no, I don't know
if you remember, but rightaround the same time I went on
the pod with you guys.
I was really sick for aboutwell I don't know six weeks this
fall, so I unfortunately missedthe local show.
Ian was there, though, and Ithink Evan was there too, but I

(29:38):
missed it.
I really feel bad about it.

Mike (29:41):
So you're shooting for more for 2025 yeah, for sure,
for sure, starting with heritagecon harsh, starting with
heritage con well, what's how?
How was the youtube andblogging over 2024, and what do
you got in store for us in 2025?

I'm going to start off the year, hopefully
with one of two.
So I'm going to have a baremetal finish video and I'm going
to have a video on on this armap39, but really featuring how
to paint a shark mouth.
So I'm really looking forwardto getting those two out.
And other than that, I got acouple of couple ideas in the

(30:20):
back of the hopefully a littlebit of a maybe to honor a couple
of other famous YouTubers outthere.
I'm going to do a couple ofthings where I've recovered a
model that I haven't looked atin over 10 years.
I have that one cooking in theback as well, so it's going to
be going to be fun a little bitmore creative this year.

Did you not recently acquire a 3D printer?

I did.
So I have kind have kind of oh,I'm not on video so, yes, I got
a sponsor throwing me a resinprinter and the quid pro quo on
that one is to start including afew resin 3d prints into my
build.
So I'm more than happy to dothat.
Over the christmas holidays.
I've actually done one printand it actually turned out

(31:07):
pretty good, so I'm happy howthat works.
I think that the idea that theywere trying to pitch was to
have someone who is completelyand utterly unable to new
technology to give this a tryfor the first time and actually
not hurt himself or burn thehouse down, and largely
successful.
So if I can do it, literallyanyone else can do this.

I'm looking forward to hearing over 2025
about your adventures in 3Dprinting Me too.

Mike (31:42):
Well, let's jump over to Jim now.
Jim, I know you got a littlemore free time on your hand
because the YouTube's on hiatus.
Why don't you tell us whatyou've been up to and what you
got going on?

Jim Bates (32:06):
from this year is.
I got to go to a place calledSprout Lake in British Columbia,
on Vancouver Island, and seethe second last flight of the
second last flying Mars.
I also went up to Victoria afew weeks ago and got to see it
in its new museum digs, and thenI was down in California where
I attended an air show where Igot to see two mosquitoes fly.
So it's been more of anaviation year than a modeling
year.
I think the only show outsideof Model Mania that I attended

(32:31):
this year, I think, was Best ofthe West in Las Vegas, which was
kind of fun.
I was in Vegas in May for that.
As far as the future, so Ikilled the YouTube and I think
what I'm looking to do is pivotback to more writing.
So there's always been a blogat a scalecanadiancom, and I
started it I don't know backbefore the internet happened and

(32:52):
I kind of got away from it.
There's no posts at all on itin 2024.
So I think what I want to do isjust do a little bit more
writing, and at first I thinkit's going to be more airplane
stuff, but I'm trying to figureout how to write about scale
modeling and I know there's noreal audience for that anymore,
but I think after doing thevideo I kind of accomplished

(33:13):
what I wanted to accomplish andthen lost interest and just want
to get back to the morecreative writing side.

I don't know that there's no audience for it.
I think our friend Stephen Leewas sprupeye with threats.
I mean he has a really goodaudience for both short form and
long form modeling writing andclearly there's a lot of
audience for historical aircraftwriting.

(33:43):
So I think you've got a widepotential audience there.

Jim Bates (33:50):
Yeah, if you notice, recently though, mr Lee has been
doing mostly just short formstuff.
He hasn't done much of the longform stuff recently and I don't
know if that's a time thing orwhat that is, but I don't know
if he's realized the audienceisn't interested in that or he
just hasn't had the time.
So it would be interesting tohear from him kind of why he
pivoted.
But yeah, I just I want to getback.

(34:11):
What I did a lot of this yearwas aviation photography and
that's been fun and I don't knowthe best way to share that.
But the whole Martin Mars thingand then the mosquito thing
just kind of made me think Iwant to write more and talk less
.

So how about model finishing in 2024?
How did your modeling?

Jim Bates (34:35):
do?
I finished a 72nd scale Chaffeeand I finished a 72nd scale
carrier deck base by Bases byBill and I am much like
everybody else.
I've got the new Arma PSP andI'm trying to get that base done
by the end of the year.
So not a great year, but notthe worst year ever.

(34:56):
Yeah, that's all right, as longas you had fun, that's the
important thing In 2025, Ireally would like to rediscover
my love of building airplanes.
I'm not sure that's going tohappen, but my first immediate
project is I have a coupleCenturions I'd like to have
finished for the February show.

Mike (35:13):
You going to get to any more shows this year?

Jim Bates (35:16):
I was just looking at planning a trip to the UK and
Eindhoven for Scale ModelChallenge.
I would love to get toHeritageCon, but that is always
questionable and I'll probablyend up back in Vegas again.
For Best of the West, all right.

Mike (35:36):
Ian Ian McCauley, how are you doing?
I'm doing well.

Ian MacAulay (35:41):
Let's see 2024.
So I got 12 finished finishedthis year.
So down from my high of 15 lastyear but still still a good
number.
Did three shows did heritagecon as part of the team from
hobby center.
I did the nnl east in newjersey with a bunch of car guys

(36:04):
in the spring and in the fallour local show here in Ottawa.
So that was good, not reallymodel related but history
related.
My wife and I went to France inSeptember with another couple.

Mike (36:17):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Yeah, and we spent my buddy and I, we spent
several days in Normandy.
We had our own guide.
My buddy and I, we spentseveral days in Normandy.
We had our own guide, which wasexpensive, but I highly
recommend it because you cut allthe lines and you know what's
good and what's not worth seeingright off the bat.
The thing that was a littleweird, I thought, was that there

(36:41):
are museums there that areactually German museums, with
all German stuff in it, whichwas kind of cool.
But, yeah, great place to go,lots of fun.
I really enjoyed it.
My big change for this year wasI built three 3D resin kits,
which I've never done before.
They were awesome Unbelievablehow much fun they were and how

(37:01):
well they went together.
How much fun they were and howwell they went together and they
were, if anything, a little bitcheaper than regular kits,
rather than more expensive, evenwith the shipping.
So that's something I'm goingto be probably doing a little
more of in 2025.

Mike (37:15):
Which ones were they.

They're called SS models out of China.

Mike (37:21):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Okay, and one was a I'm not gonna get this right
an early war french one.
That was just a prototype, butI can't for the life of me
remember what it was called andI literally bought that one
first because it was thecheapest one and I thought, okay
, well, I'll try it and see whatthey with their leg.
And then I bought a T18 fromthem, and I bought an early M8

(37:49):
from them as well, all of whichwent together really, really
well and you can buy them fromthem in any scale you want.

Mike (37:56):
Basically, I got them in 35th, that's my next question
yeah, what scale were they in?

Yeah, you can get them in 56, 72nd, 48th, I don't
think, above 35, but 35 as well,and they were a lot of fun.
I was blown away at how goodthey were.
No cleanup of any of the parts,just removing all of the little
stand things that holdeverything together.
And one of them it wasbrilliant.

(38:24):
All of the little.
I don't even know what you callthose, the little fingers that
hold everything together.
And one of them it wasbrilliant.
All of the little.
I don't even know what you callthose, the little fingers that
hold everything together.
The guy had molded the end ofeach one to a rivet head on the
side of the tank.
So there wasn't even anycleanup on the side of the tank,
it was.
You just snip them off and alittle pass with the sanding
stick and it was amazing, I hadboth of them ready to paint in

(38:48):
like two modeling sessions.
It was quite something.
So, yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Probably last year I built alot of cars.
It was probably half cars andhalf armor.
This year it's been all armorand I'm probably going to
continue with that and do acouple of planes to keep my good
friend Chris happy too.
That'll probably be in the plansomewhere.

Mike (39:10):
Well, let's back up a minute and tell us a little bit
more about the show we went toin New Jersey.

Yeah, the NNL.

Yeah, the NNL is amazing.
So it's a non-competitiveautomotive show and there are a
few words, but I think they'rejust based on, you know, people
voting that are at the show andit was at a community center in.
How can I get this right?

(39:37):
I think it was wing new jerseyI.
I didn't actually.
I didn't actually drive, so Ididn't really pay much attention
.

It's the best way .

Yeah, but there was two gymnasiums full of
models on display and then twohuge rooms full of vendors and
it was humongous.
It was unbelievable how big itwas.
But a super nice show, superfriendly show, picked up a lot
of stuff.
It's a nice show.

(40:10):
If you're into cars, I wouldhighly recommend it.
It's every year in northern NewJersey.
There I'd never been before.
A couple of my buddies were, acouple of buddies from Toronto
were going and they said heycome on with us.
So I went.
It was a lot of fun.

(40:33):
Highly recommend it.
Plan on going back, uh, thiscoming year, uh, possibly.
I am waiting for two separatesurgeries, and this being canada
, I know I have no idea whenthey're going to be not nothing
big, but both things that I haveto go under the knife for, and
they're supposedly going to beat some point in the spring.
So I'm not really making anybig plans right now.
That I can't get back out ofHeritageCon, I'll be going as
part of the Hobby Centre teamagain.

(40:54):
So, worst case scenario, Ican't go to that because it
overlaps with one of thesurgeries or something.
I'm not.
I'm not having any travel moneyor any, you know anything like
that, but anything else I'm not.
I'm not having any travel moneyor any, you know anything like
that, but anything else I'mwaiting until I get a better
idea of what's going on.

Mike (41:09):
All right, and finally, panzermeister 36, evan, what's
going on?

Oh, I think 2024 was a good year for me.
I increased my model finishingcount.
I'm up to three models finishedthis year and I might get one
or two more done at the end,which I'm happy with, because
there's been definitely yearswhere I've only finished like
one model, possibly zero, andbecause I'm trying to make
YouTube videos about mainlyweathering these things.

(41:38):
That kind of makes that harderif I don't actually get kits
into the painting stage.
So I'm happy with not onlyfinishing more models but also
my process, I would say.

Well, how did?

your YouTube channel grow.
Oh, it's doing quite well.
I'm up to 80,000 subscribersnow, which I'm happy about.
My goal is to someday hit100,000, which I think will
happen in a couple of years.
But also getting a lot moreweathering videos and finishing
more kits has helped the growthsomewhat this year.

Mike (42:11):
You've done several interesting builds this year.

Yes, thank you.
How I have developed myweathering process because I'm
always kind of fine-tuning thatFor a while I was doing a lot of
almost excessive oil colormodulation, which was honestly a
bit of a waste of timeconsidering how it looked in the
end.
It was very subtle, so I kindof stepped back from that and
then now I'm at a point, I think, where I'm happy with doing a

(42:40):
little bit of the oil work, butnot a lot, and then I think it's
worthwhile in terms of theinvested time versus how well it
looks in the end.
So I've got like a nice processI'm happy with.
So I'm sticking with that on afew projects to see how they go.

And I also yeah, I also understand.
This year you stabbed PlasticModel Mojo in the back.

A little bit.
Well, the check stopped showingup from the PMM World
Headquarters, so I had to jumpship.

We're joking about Evan's recent appearance
on On the Bench, for which DaveGoldfinch sent me 20 Swedish
Kroner, which I will pass on toEvan at the Heritage Con show.
But yes, it was a really greatappearance and your interaction

(43:32):
on that was really, reallyfantastic.

Thank you.
Speaking of shows, this year Ihit three shows that was three
shows, I think, yeah HeritageCon, the local Ottawa show,
where Ian was also at for theHobby Center, and then also I
was at the IPMS Nats with thePMM crew and I was excellent.
Next year I'm excited becauseit looks like I will be able to

(43:58):
go to the Mojan show, which Ithink will be something
different but absolutelyfantastic.
From everything I've heard andseen about that, I can't wait
for something a little bitdifferent because I've never
been, obviously, to a Europeanshow before.
I'm stuck in North Americamostly.

Well, you'll have to give us a report.
We interviewed that one modelerfrom over there who reported on
the show.
It'll be really interesting toget your take, being a North
American guy, to see what youthink of the show and its

(44:35):
similarities and its differences.

Yeah, we'll see how much show I can actually
attend, because I'm surethere'll be so many women piling
on me as I wear that plasticmodel mojo checkerboard t-shirt
you gave me, so you know I mightbe busy.

Mike (44:49):
Better wear that in Hungary.

Yeah.

I am seriously bringing that and I'm going to
wear it to show and see whathappens, but I will represent
you guys.
Well, are you?

Mike (44:57):
I will represent you guys well, are you going to be going
with Hamilcar?

Yes, with my good modeling YouTube buddy, Mr
Hamilcar Barkas, who was also atthe Nats this year with us.
That was fantastic.

Mike (45:13):
It was great to meet him in person.
We just got a lengthy emailfrom him that's going to take a
couple episodes to digest.
Well, that's all.
Great man.
I want to tell you I told youone-on-one, but I'll tell you in
front of the Mojo audience thatI thought your build video on
the Booker was.
I think it's probably the bestthing you've done as far as just

(45:38):
the entire package and I triedto articulate, articulate.
I really can't, I don't, Idon't know what it is about it,
but that one kind of hit on allcylinders, I thought, and I
thought it was really, reallywell done meanwhile, I will say
I think the best model you'vecompleted today was the bradley.

That was just a stunning build.

Yeah, I think that, think that was the like,
the well, either that or themodel I finished before that,
which was the Chinese ZBD thingin the blue camouflage, but that
didn't get a video.
But both those were kind of themodels where, as I was alluding
to before, where I kind ofnailed down my ideal process for
painting and weathering and Iwas happy with the process and

(46:21):
also the result and I'm I'msuper stoked with those two
models for sure.

Mike (46:25):
Well, let's circle back around and I'm going to ask Mr
Wallace what he hopes to getbuilt in 2025.
Subject wise, not number ofkits, but is there anything
you're hot to get started on andlooking forward to that in 2025
?

Well, it's mostly finishing too.
So the Army P-39, the KineticCF-104, that's the Starfighter,
the zipper.
I would love to do the Border,kate.
I want to do that one reallybadly.
Oh yeah, kate, I want to dothat one really badly.

(47:08):
Oh yeah, and I'm going toresurrect the decade old HKB17
that has been my shelf queen.
That stares at me every singletime I come down here.
It stares at me longingly, itstares at me sadly, but I'm
going to build that thingfinally, I think it deserves to
be finished and put on a wall orsomething like that.
And the other one that I'mreally looking forward to is the
oh, I think it's icm and it'sthe special forces mh60.

(47:32):
It just it.
It's brand new.
My lhs doesn't quite have ityet.
I've been leaning on on Ianreally hard to get it in, but
he's been very interested ingetting that done.
It went on my Google review, itwent on a couple of things.
So, anyhow, I'm going to leanon him again in this particular
podcast.

(47:53):
Ian, get that thing in, becauseI'd like to get started on it.
Thank you.

Chris, my mic must have cut out, because I
didn't hear the word Corsairanywhere in that description for
2025.

Well, I have to leave something under the
blanket.
I can't just say everything inthis particular broadcast.
I have to leave some surprisesout there, don't I?

Mike (48:17):
Yes, you do you do.
There's some surprises outthere, don't there?
Yes, you do you do.
Well, Jim Bates, you told usabout a couple of Centurions,
but is there anything else youwould like to sink your teeth
into in the 2025?

Jim Bates (48:29):
Right now I've got a box from Hannett's stuck in
customs in LA, In fact I thoughtI'd drive down and break it out
and in that box is I've alreadytalked about this type before a
reissue of the 1144 Martin Mars.
That I would love to do, butthat's gloss, white and red, so
that's a little bit scary.
But what I'm really excitedabout in that box is the new

(48:49):
Azure From Ferry Battle.
I've long wanted to do a FerryBattle.
It was one of the most usedaircraft in Canada during the
war and I'm really excited tosee if we finally have a decent
battle to build, rather thanthat scary old air fix kit.

I'm waiting for a report.

Mike (49:07):
What about you, Ian?
More 3D printed stuff.

Actually I tripped over a build that a guy did of
the IBC Scammel Pioneer and theguy got a ton of detail into
that thing and I've had that kidsitting in the stash for a long
time.
I think I'm going to break thatone out and go nuts on it and
just basically follow on whatthis guy did and try to

(49:33):
replicate it.
It's kind of a cool-lookingvehicle If you ever see them
running for real.
I can't remember what they callthe suspension on the thing,
but it's unbelievable what youcan do with the suspension on
these things because the arms onit just bend all over the place
.
It's such a weird lookingvehicle.
So I think I might do that.

(49:55):
I have one thing I wanted tomention that I learned through
the store.
We got a very long letter fromone of our suppliers in the US
and it's a big, big supplier Iwon't mention it here but it's a
very big supplier and theybasically wrote a rather
interesting history of 2024.
And they said that overallmodel sales were down quite a

(50:19):
bit but supplies were up quite abit paints and all the supplies
used and they take that to meanthat the hobby is still healthy
but that people tend to bedipping more into their stashes
and building stuff they alreadyhave rather than collecting new
models, and that's kind of whatwe've seen at the Hobby Center.

(50:41):
It's been.
We've had a lot more peoplecoming through the store but a
lot less big sales.
So it's kind of interestingthat people are still building,
but apparently they're startingto build a little more of what
they've got rather than goingafter the latest and greatest.

Mike (51:01):
Evan, what's the hot topics for 2025?

Oh, it's hard for me to say exactly, because I'm
one of those people who will seea cool photo online and I will
put everything aside to start anew project that afternoon and
then half finish it and thenstart something else.
But I do have a few things onmy radar.
As you might have noticed, thispast year especially, I've
definitely gotten moreinterested in modern armor.
Previously I was doing a lot ofmy usual interests, which is

(51:29):
World War II, german and Soviet,almost exclusively, but there's
a couple of modern things Iwant to do, like maybe some
Ukraine war stuff.
I have a Leclerc like the modernfrench main battle tank.
I got the brand new like type21 model of that from tiger
model, which would be prettycool because the french nato
camo is different than normalnato camo and I just have a

(51:52):
really cool photo of that one.
I didn't actually do any stugthrees this year, which is
shocking, so I think I'm gonnahave to do one of those next
year.
And apart from that, oh, maybethe tamiya kv2, but it's really
hard for me to say mike and Ihave been talking about a
project that I have planned forthat for a couple years now and

(52:13):
I like your, I like what you'rewanting to do and, yeah, that
shouldn't be too bad a build.

Mike (52:19):
I wouldn't think, yeah, what's?

a student.

Defenders.
So, Evan, do you have anyspecial plans for the channel?
I mean, you've been releasingone video at the beginning of
every month.

Yeah, that was my plan and that worked out well.
I think I had to skip one monthin the summer, but I like that
strategy.
But I I would like to kind ofsemi-professional you know
whatever semi-officially pull myviewers on.
Did you guys even recognizethat I was doing that, that the
first saturday of every month Ihad a video up?

(52:59):
Was that even noticed?
Or was people just tuning inwhenever I put up a video?
Because, like YouTube is a bittricky.
If you're not uploading everyweek, it's a little bit hard to
come up with a schedule.
And when you're doing itpart-time like you know the guys
on this podcast to do YouTube,we're not full-time YouTubers.
So you just kind of have tofigure out like a schedule that

(53:22):
your viewers can look forward tobut that you can also manage
with your little bit of benchtime in the evenings and
everything like that.
So maybe I'll change it up, butI'm pretty happy with it.
It also keeps me productive.
I would say otherwise I mightdo the thing I did the past,
where I don't upload for likesix months and I come back and
draw three videos in a month andthen it's great.

Don't make us wait six months, man, I enjoy.
I look forward to the first ofthe month when your new video
drops.

Mike (53:52):
Well, evan, once you give folks out there who,
inexplicably, might not knowwhat your YouTube channel is, to
tell us what that is and giveus your sign-off for the evening
.

Thank you.
My YouTube channel isPanzermeister36.
I do kind of as I've beenalluding to a lot of World War
II, german and Soviet, sometimesmodern, mainly build reviews
and painting and weathering andsometimes model railroad stuff.
Oh, maybe I should do more ofthat next year as well.

Mike (54:24):
Chris, tell folks where they can find you.

So I'm on YouTube Model Airplane Maker.
I mostly do well, I'm prettymuch exclusively aircraft, both
building and tips and techniques.
I also have a blog atmodelairplanemakercom.

Mike (54:44):
All right, Jim.
Any parting words for 2024?

Jim Bates (54:49):
Don't have any parting words but due to lack of
short-term memory, my otherproject is something Ian
mentioned.
I got a Vargas M1917, which isthe American version of the
Renault FT17, and I'm prettyexcited about that.
Other than that, I just hope weall get to build and have a
great 2025.
Ian, what?

Mike (55:11):
do you got?

Just build guys.
I'm the only one here thatcan't lay claim to some kind of
notoriety, but my notoriety is.
They call me the shelf queenkiller here because I outbuild
everybody.

Yeah, that's because you're retired, that
doesn't count.
Yeah, right.

Yeah, okay, okay, so partly retired?
No, just build, build, build,build.
That's what it's all about.
And hang out with your buddiesand enjoy the hobby.
That's what it's all about.
And hang out with your buddiesand enjoy the hobby.

Mike (55:43):
That's what it's all about .
Well, guys, thanks for joiningus tonight and we look forward
to seeing you all at heritagecon.
Hope that all works out andreally, really looking forward
to that to be our first show ofthe year, probably, so that's a
good one to kick things off with, all right.
Well, we'll see you guys in2025.

Sounds good.

Well, that's definitely the Grated version of
one of our segments yes, it is,and I appreciate all the guys
for keeping it g-rated.

Mike (56:30):
Yeah that's fun.
So you know, amongst all of uswe've accomplished a lot.
So we've got a couple ofyoutube channels in there and a
blog, and Ian sure can kick outa model.

I'll tell you what, being retired man, he's
cranking them out.

Mike (56:47):
That's kind of like Steve Hustad.

Yeah, exactly.

Mike (56:51):
I'm anxious to hear more about that car show he goes to
or he went to.

The NNL yeah.

Mike (56:55):
East.

Yeah, I am too.

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Mike (57:24):
Well, the Spazzers and you and I aren't the only ones
who've had productive years.
This year, dr Paul Budziklaunched a new Patreon-based
video channel, still Scale ModelWorkshop.
But we had a few words with himto learn about how that's gone

(57:46):
and what we might expect fromthat in the future.
Dave, as we wrap up 2024, wewant to have an old friend back
who's been on the show a coupleof times.
He's had a big project goingthis year, dr Paul Budzik.
Paul, how are you doing tonight?

I'm doing really well, how about?

Mike (57:56):
you guys we're good.
Thanks for coming back on totalk to us a little bit.
We want to get caught up on howyour well, your Patreon video
channel is going.

Well, it's going.
It's going kind of like what Iwould expect, because it's not
the typical channel, you know,it's not one where they're going
to see a complete build everyweek or something.
I'm concentrating on techniquesand a fair amount of philosophy
or whatever.
So I'm just I would expect itto not be.
The point was not to make a lotof money.

(58:28):
The point was is to keep thefee as low as possible and have
some, you know, just a littleparticipation in the channel for
a minimum amount.

But at least get away from the YouTube platform,
which is not, and I was going toask you that One of the things
you wanted to do is move awayfrom the YouTube platform
because of all the bots and thetrolls and the negative
interactions.
Did you find that moving to thePatreon model has accomplished

(59:05):
that?
Well?

yeah, it cuts away all the people that sort of not.
There's a lot of people outthere that feel a bit entitled
that everything should be forfree, and you know.
So my point is is, if you'regoing to, if you can't write
something halfway decent, don'twrite it at all, because it's

(59:28):
not costing you anything.
If you don't like it, justclick off of it or whatever.
So don't feel obligated toleave.
But honestly, I have had verylittle of that.
So you know, it's okay.
On the rare occasion that ithappens I just delete the post,
hide the guy's cranky orwhatever.
It's kind of hide him off thechannel.

(59:50):
And I don't ruminate about it,it doesn't bother me, I just
what it is is when, when you,when there's just a little, when
there's just a small amount,even just a small amount on the
table, it's, it's a realexpression of appreciation and

(01:00:12):
that's that's.
You know, to me that's it's notexcessive, but it means a lot.
To me, it kind of means is thisworth it?
Because I'm just putting it outthere so that it's not just
well, people are just watchingit for free.
And yes, I do have a large beefwith YouTube, that's for sure.
To me, the concept You're notthe only one Right, the concepts

(01:00:37):
of ethics and whatever they'renot.
They're foreign to the alphabetGoogle model.
They just don't track with meand so I don't really want to be
their partner because you knowyou're just to me.
You feel like you're being used.

Kentucky Dave (01:00:54):
Right.

Paul Budzik (01:00:55):
And so their rules are kind of arbitrary.
I've gotten one or two timeswhere they've not.
They've sort of flagged a video, unless I could come up with.
They misunderstood something.
I said they missed the word.
It wasn't what they thought itwas and I thought listen, I see

(01:01:15):
stuff on your channel that'sjust loaded with obscenities.
Right, this is not an obscenity, it sounds like what you, but
it's the wrong consonant thatstarts the word.
So I'm sorry your algorithmpicked it up wrong, but it's not
right.
But I just find that sort ofthing arbitrary and that doesn't

(01:01:37):
set well with me.
So I put up a World War IIaircraft training film and they
flagged it for like violence orwhatever.
I'm going.
How to fly a P-38 is not aviolent film.
There's not even a gun fired inthe training films.
I don't know.

Mike (01:01:55):
Well, I think your, I think your material attracts a
certain subset of the of thehobby.

I think your material attracts a certain
subset of the hobby.
Yeah, and that's good, becausethe channel really has to do
with some specific techniques,not necessarily the finished
model, and there's a fair.

(01:02:23):
What I really want to work outthe nugget here in this, like
what you were talking about, thefine scale articles before is
how to think, because if you canthink about the thing
analytically, you might not comeup with the answer right away.
If you don't solve enoughproblems often enough, you don't
get in quite in that habit.
It may take a day or two ofsitting with it, but work out a
way to either you know guys ifthey don't want to alter a model

(01:02:46):
or they want to how you'regoing to align things or how
you're going to account for theshortcomings in a kit.
What are you going to do?
Well, what I, my approach is togive you a thought process.
It was like when I did the howto create that nose for the
F-101 Reese version.

(01:03:10):
Yeah, and I showed how toestablish the center line.
Well, that's the point of it,it's build your four.
People would say, well, why areyou using four blocks?
Because when you put the fourblocks together and you paint in
between.
You have four, you have an axis, you have, you know, something
that you can work from andthat's the way you create those

(01:03:32):
shapes, and so some people getit.
I love it when people write inand say I knew where you were
going with this and I'm goingokay.
So people are on the same pageand that's very rewarding.

Well, you know, speaking of that and talking
about the emphasis notnecessarily on the complete
model or whatever, but ondifferent techniques and solving
problems, the video you didwhere you worked out the gun
nose on the A26 and how you weregoing to handle the alignment

(01:04:12):
and the inserting of the barrels, I mean that was just a really
nice piece of okay.
Here's a challenge that we'vegot how do I think through and
accomplish what I need to getdone?
And that's a really goodexample, I think, of the

(01:04:35):
technique focus.

Yeah Well, thank you, Dave.
That whole project is aboutalignment, whether it's the grid
pattern thing that goes overthe top of it.

Which is amazing.

Well, I had one, this one I had printed up, but I
had one back 30, 40 years ago,back when I was building.
It's the only way you couldalign in a halfway good size
model, align the decals and evengetting your tape set up so
that you can scribe into thepaint and whatnot.
You know, if you've got taperedwings and everything else, you
have to establish certain linesfirst and it helps to put that
under it, under the grid, andreally just step over it and see

(01:05:17):
where it lines up.
You can measure forever.
But if it's an irregularsurface, if it's not straight on
straight and you're using asquare, there's always subject
and sometimes things just don'tlook good.
The grid really does kind ofalign it in the different planes
.
So something like that.

(01:05:40):
Even longer, longer than that,I was using them to align the
mass on a rig, on a three-mastedship, because they they go back
in several different degrees asyou go four to half, not the,
the four and the main and themizzen, they're all kind of just
a very slight difference thatall makes a difference
difference.
So and I and I and I got to saymy eye is probably a little bit

(01:06:04):
more, I mean, I like to think Ican usually see about a
thousandth or two thousandths ofan inch, you know.
So everybody's just got alittle different.
Take on how precise they wantto be.

Yeah.

Mike (01:06:18):
Well, I think that's a's a good what to call it.
For me anyway, probably most ofyour, your viewers as well the
technique based stuff is justadding to your own toolbox, like
, like Dave mentioned, the, thealignment of the nose guys.
I mean, somebody might not bebuilding that aircraft, they
might be building a B-25 straferwith a nose full of guns, so

(01:06:41):
you can take what you did withyour plane and use it on
something else and always havenew tricks in the bag.
And I've always liked thatabout your articles.
A lot of your older articleswere, for me, not so much about
the subject matter itself buthow you accomplished a certain
problem, fixed a problem.

Yeah, well, thanks.
Thanks, mike.
That's the A-26.
It is all about establishing aninitial alignment with some
square edges around where you'vegot the model aligned, and then
you can work off of there.
Everything is.
You know, you're aligned on theaxis and all axes, so it just

(01:07:19):
keeps everything together.
You can get your dihedralcorrect, you know, so that
they're equal on both sides.
Thrust line guns keepeverything on center and that's
what makes a model look tight tome is when it all comes
together and it just looks right, is when everything is
symmetrical in the way it'ssupposed to be, and it just
looks right is when everythingis symmetrical in the way it's

(01:07:41):
supposed to be.
So I don't get off so much onall the lipstick and everything
that goes on.
You know the shape's got to bethere and it's got to line up,
otherwise it's just lipstick ona pig, what's you know?

Did you think that the A26 kits, the monogram,
the ICM, that the parts weregoing to come together like they
did?

Well, I kind of thought they would.

Okay.

Yeah, in the wing root area they're close, they're
close, they're close.
You know there's not much leftof the fuselage by the time you
get the monogram wings off, andI kind of had expected that it
wouldn't be quite so much thatI'd have to reduce off the wing

(01:08:37):
roots of the ICM wings to getthe engines in the right spot
distance from the fuselage.
I thought it would be a littlebit simpler and initially when I
did it I thought I'm going tobe able to salvage some of the
wing root on the ICM wing.
But hey, you know that's whathappens.

You live, you learn.

As long as the props clear, the fuselage.

There you go.
Okay, yeah, I'm sure that'swhat the engineers at
whatchamacallit said anyway,Douglas said yeah, as long as
those props clear the fuselage,we're good.

Mike (01:09:18):
I've got a tank in the display case that did a lot of
scratch building on.
I think the tracks just barelyfit under the fender.
I think if it was moving itwould be singing against that
steel pretty loud.
Well, paul, in addition to thetechnique videos, another thing
you do that I also enjoy isthese postscripts.

Well, I've got a good one that I wanted to get
out for a good New Year's mantra, but and I don't know if I want
to disclose it, but I don't-know if I'm going to.
I'm going to.
It kind of hit me as having agood mantra instead of because
my wife said that what should beon my headstone is.
I thought it would take, Ididn't think it would take as

(01:10:00):
long and she said I'm going tostick that on my headstone is.
I thought it would take, Ididn't think it would take as
long and she said I'm going tostick that on your headstone.
That's what I always say after Ihave to do something, so this
thing stands, that thing on itshead.
And I realized it when I forgotwhat I did and it came out a

(01:10:22):
lot easier than I thought it wasgoing to and I thought, maybe.

I should just kind of rethink that.
So now, how far ahead are youthinking as far as where you are
and where you want to get to?
I mean, can you see all of thesteps?

With what.

With the current project.

Well, the 826 is really nothing but and that's
the beauty of scribing into thepaint so what it is is I'm just
cooling my heels because theweather's cool, so I'm letting
the primers really, reallyevaporate, I'm letting the
thinners really evaporate out ofit and and I just have to sand

(01:11:05):
it down, and then I'm going toshoot it with, with the, with
some natural metal, and makesure that's straight, you know,
and looks good, and then I'mgoing to and then start, then
I'll scribe into the paint,right, and, and that the way,
the way that works is youbasically just find a
circumferential line, likearound the tip of the wing,

(01:11:26):
where the wing tip.
You know that's going to go allthe way around and it's going
to start at where the aileron isright.
That's pretty much where theygo, and you have to go down to
the other end, where the wingroot is, and that's going to
usually have something that'scircumferential around it or
probably at the root, so thatwhen you start scribing your

(01:11:48):
concentration is slightly aheadof where you're at.
But your real focus is makingsure you stay on that straight
edge.
And I usually use a piece ofstrip brass, really thin strip
brass, something that I know isnot going to deform if I put a
little pressure inward on it.
But you really develop a lighttouch and you just take the

(01:12:08):
scribe and you just go down.
But if you got anotherperpendicular that you're
working to to stop to, then yougot that line.
Then you work through kind ofbuilding.
It's sort of like a house ofsticks or whatever.
You're just building one onanother so that you've got your

(01:12:29):
starting point and your endpoint laid out perpendicular and
you just start adding the stuffin between.
And it's a little bit ofstrategy.
It's not as bad as trying toshoot straight pool, but you
know.

Mike (01:12:47):
Or chess bit of strategy.
It's not as bad as trying toshoot straight pool, but you
know, or chess, yes, yeah.
Well, back to these postscripts.
Where do, where do most ofthose come from?
I know they come from betweenyour ears, but uh, yeah, I think
I can't remember which one itwas I was.
I've got it up here and oh, itmay have been.
Well, it's the aestheticmodeler.
I think remember which one itwas I was.
I've got it up here and, oh, Imay have been.
Well, it's the aestheticmodeler.
I think it's the one it was,but I think I told Dave and I

(01:13:07):
mean this with all as as acomplete compliment it just it
was like this is Mr Rogersneighborhood for grownups.
And it, I don't know, it's justthose things.
Just I think they're reallycool, they.
They give you a lot to thinkabout and, and particularly this
year, I think Dave and I haveand if you go back and listen to

(01:13:30):
this episode, we talked aboutit in the in most of the the the
other content of thisparticular episode, but uh, you
know we didn't finish a lot ofstuff this year, but boy, we
sure had a good time.

Yes.

Mike (01:13:43):
And I think that's, I think we're coming around to,
that's okay.

I agree, I don't know why you'd want to keep a
schedule.
It's not your work.
You know, and that's a littlebit of the pressure that I have
that I never used to have when Iwas running for the magazines
that I have.
That I never used to have whenI was running for the magazines,
because nobody knew when I wasgoing to finish the project and
when I was going to get thearticle done.
And as a general rule therewasn't any pressure, not until

(01:14:10):
that's what kind of gave me PTSDwas when I wound up getting put
under a deadline for aparticular article.
I did it at my own pace and soI was able to meter my time out,
spread it out over a couple ofprojects and pick up the harder
one, and that was the otherthing when I was doing those

(01:14:32):
articles.
The initial plan was to buildevery one of the monogram
heavies or multi-engine of themonogram heavies or multi-engine
.
So I'd done the B-17, the B-24,the B-25.
I had the B-26 almost finishedand life interrupted.
I mean, it's hanging from theceiling, it's acceptable to hang
from that, but the A-26 wassupposed to be in there and,

(01:14:57):
like I say, I started andstopped it several times over
the years and I keep forgettingwhy it was so bad and that I
didn't go any further until Istarted it again.
And then I really thought youknow, I can't.
There's something about theairplane that I really like and
I just don't feel I can let goof it.
And the ICM kit had so manyproblems with the fuselage.

(01:15:19):
It's just insane.
I don't know how they could bethat far off, but the wings look
pretty good.
So that's why I thought okay,that solves my issue with the
monogram kit, let's put ittogether and see if you can
finally get an A26, because itwas like this enigma that
couldn't get solved.
And then now the A20, whichunfortunately nobody's ever
built another one.
So we're still dealing with theold AMT 48 scale.

(01:15:42):
So that'll put all those on theceiling and get them done.
But when you say the aestheticmodeler, are you talking about
the actual video that says theaesthetic modeler, or the series
?

Mike (01:15:55):
No, it's just the video.
It was one of your postscripts.

It was one of your postscripts.
Well, that came from when I gotto that certain point on the
P-38, and I could see the visualof what it was, and then I
realized that's where I live.
Nowadays I don't live.
I mean, I think the 3D modelingis just insane, what you can do

(01:16:19):
with the details and all.
But I and if I were, if it were30, 40 years ago, when I was
focused on those details, Iwould have said this is the way
to go.
But nowadays I'm focused on theaesthetic of the whole airframe
or the aesthetic of the projectthat I'm working on.
So if it doesn't look good, ifit's some really ugly subject,

(01:16:41):
I'm not going to do it.
If it's got a history that Idon't like, I'm not going to do
it.
You're not going to see mebuild any German armor, any
aircraft.
I'm sorry, that's just the wayit goes.
There's a history with it.
Way it goes.
There's a history with it.
And the time that I okay thisis going to start moving into
you want some philosophy.
This is going to start movinginto the metaphysical world.

(01:17:04):
I happen to think that there'san energy of creation and when
you look around the world,there's a lot of beauty in it.
They're outdoors.
You go into the mountains, yougo to the coast, whatever.
I mean, if nothing else, justthose areas.
I don't think it's just anaccident Maybe it was, maybe it

(01:17:24):
isn't, I don't know but it'sjust beautiful and I think there
is some element, there's someenergy of creation, creation for
creation's sake.
I mean, you're working andyou've got a job and it has to
be done, and so you're creating.
If it goes over and above thejob and you're actually putting

(01:17:47):
that energy into it and yourself, then it becomes a creative art
form.
Really, whether it's art, likepeople want to classify
classical paintings or whatever,it's a step getting closer to
the energy of creation.
So when I'm working in my hobbyroom and I'm doing things with

(01:18:08):
my hands, there's a directconnection between me and what
I'm doing and that energy ofcreation.
If I'm on the computer, I don'tcare.
It may look great in Photoshop,and I was one of the charter
members of the NationalAssociation of Photoshop
Professionals.
I've been doing it ever sinceit was here and I think I'm
pretty adept at it, but it's notthe same.

(01:18:30):
It's different than if youpicked up a brush.
There is an infinite amount ofchoices that you make when you
do things in an analog fashion,and the fact is that you get a
lot of that done in a softwareprogram because you have
knowledge of what to do.
You know where the filters are,you know what commands.

(01:18:50):
If you're doing CAD, you know,mike, there's a bazillion
shortcuts.
You may want to make a circle,you drop.
You know you put thecoordinates in.
So that's different than whenyou have to pick up a file.
And so that's where I'm atright now generating a shape by
hand or creating things by hand.

(01:19:12):
I'm not so much into the detailpart of it.
I would rather leave the detailoff if it interferes with the
aesthetic of the model.
You know, if there's some, okay, some guy goes this is some
quirky thing that I want to haveon the model, that's okay.
I would probably leave it offbecause I'm going.
It was a mistake, it's anaerodynamic mistake, I don't

(01:19:33):
know, I just may have avoidedthe subject.
So when I look at these things,yeah, it's breaking it down
into the basics and shaping itby hand.
And when you said the 826, Icould have started with a wood
block.
Well, it saved me a little time.
I didn't have to do that Alittle, but I like that feeling

(01:19:56):
of having a.
You know, maybe it's more likea Pinewood Derby kit.
You know, you got partway there.

Sense of accomplishment and a sense of
creation.

Right, and for no other reason than you're just
creating Right, there is no,there's no utility to a piece of
music.
There's no utility to a pieceof music.
There's no utility to apainting.
It's why, why is it?
Humans feel the need to createsomething?
I don't know.
I think it's a kind of a ifit's a neat mystery.

(01:20:28):
And when you're doing things asmuch as you can manually that's
as close as I can get to thatenergy and you, there's a I
think I posted some links to itit's they call them the last of
the British modelers orsomething.
And he has a thing, the Zen ofmodel making, and he makes a

(01:20:50):
statement in there to whereyou're in that zone.
It becomes like a Zen.
You're in, you're in a zone.
It becomes like a Zen, You'rein a zone, and it becomes
mystical is the way he puts itand time passes endlessly.
An hour will go by and it'llseem like five minutes, and

(01:21:12):
maybe that's—I'm not a biblicalscholar, but maybe it was that
creation, that other-worldcreation that just went—where
time isn't measured.
And those moments—and that'swhat it's all about when I say
it's.
The fun of the building is inthat realization, and I want to

(01:21:33):
maintain that and I don't wantto get bogged down in having to
create obligations, of having tocreate a detail that I think is
kind of pointless just for thefact I'm not going into a
contest.
That's pointless too for me.
If I put a model on the table,nobody's going to understand it.

Well, speaking of creating and planning, do you
have plans for your channel for2025?
Have you thought ahead intowhat you'd like to do, what
you'd like to add, what you'dlike to change, what you'd like
to see, any and all of that?

(01:22:12):
Just basically, have youthought about what your channel
looks like in 2025?

No, I think I'd just like to have more content
up.
You know, I'd like to be ableto, wouldn't we all?
Yeah, keep it flowing so Idon't get bogged down.
And I have an idea for a way towork out maybe some kit reviews
.
Now and then I've talked to afriend of mine and I think that

(01:22:40):
I kind of have maybe a differentway to approach kit reviews
that I think would beinteresting Not that we would,
that would be a lot of focus,and so I still put stuff up on
YouTube, stuff up on YouTube.
It's a kind of a balance betweenwhat I'll release on YouTube

(01:23:01):
and I put up stuff on whatpeople don't understand.
And the stuff that I put up onPatreon is not always just for
paid members, because if you canbecome a member of Patreon and
view my channel and there'sstuff on it that's not you don't
have to pay for.
So if there's something that Ithink is just kind of
interesting to everybody andworthwhile, and maybe a short

(01:23:25):
article, like the fillets, whichthen I put again on YouTube, I
just thought it was reallyinteresting, I don't put that up
as a paid member only thing.
The idea there is just that thesubscriber base is getting me
away from YouTube.
I'm not making anything and youonly make about 60 cents for a

(01:23:48):
dollar subscription.
By the time they take out theircredit card processing and
whatnot, it's yeah, so you'renot going to get rich.

Nobody's getting rich.
Yeah, it won't even pay foryour therapy after you finish
the 826.

It covers my software rental for my Adobe
Creative Suite.
That's about what it coversWell that's worth something.
Yeah, well, at least the ideathat actually, if you say any
plans, the real idea for thiswas to go into if, when I retire
completely from dentistry, thisto have my hobby I mean doing

(01:24:28):
the videos not cost me anything.

Right.

Cause, then it gets to be an extra expense over and
above the modeling and and andthat's going to.
You know, you got to kind ofwatch it, you know, when you've
funded your own retirement, andso that was kind of the way that
goes.
If I can, at least that wouldjustify doing the videos Because

(01:24:52):
it's a lot of work.
The videos because it's a lotof work, I mean one thing I
would say to anyone that wantsto do it, at least on the level
that I'm doing it, because I'mdoing the instructional, I've
got bits here and I'm draggingelements in from everywhere.
You have to have very goodasset management.
You want to make sure you don'tjust file everything under T
for the, you know you better putthe right name on it so you can

(01:25:15):
find it later, so you cancross-reference stuff.
If I'm referencing a video thatI did previously, I need to be
able to find that element and Ican't rummage around, spending
10 minutes trying to figure outwhat the heck I named this thing
Because you know a number on itdoesn't mean anything if it's
just an image number.

(01:25:44):
So what I've learned is to justtake your time, actually give it
a proper file name, put it inthe right folder, and that's
really important if you're goingto do your own videos, and you
know I've got enough scriptswritten.
So when I work throughPhotoshop and I'm processing my
images and I want to get themsized right and sharpened, that
routines are all scripted formyself.
I've made my own littleroutines and I got a little bit

(01:26:08):
more diligent about assigningkeyboard shortcuts for certain
things, so you don't waste timeand that makes it a little bit
more enjoyable.
I can take four or five imagesoff of whatever I've done that
day and get them sized andplaced into something and move
on.
So as I'm getting moreefficient, it doesn't feel so

(01:26:29):
tedious to document what I'mdoing and that's.
I would hope that and I'mhoping that I get more
comfortable with having freetime, because that just you know
it's like.
Okay, I don't exactly know whatthis is like.

Mike (01:26:48):
Well, paul, we hope you have a great 2025.
We enjoyed all your content for2024 and I just hope the
channel continues to grow.
And I tell you, once you getthat bare metal, finish on and
start taking your scriber to it,we're we're going to probably
want to have you back for alittle bit more discussion about
that, because those are twothings.

(01:27:08):
That's a double whammy, that'sa double bill for things to
scare modelers.

Yep Scares the crap out of me.

Natural metal, and then the problem that you could
ruin it in two seconds.

Yep, that's it.

I have more trouble scribing into plastic in some
ways than I do.
It is so simple but it'sdaunting, it just seems.
I think that's it.

Yep, and that's part of think, that's it yeah.

And that's part of what my philosophy is, my mantra
for this year.

Mike (01:27:41):
Okay, well, we look forward to hearing that for 2025
.

Okay.

Mike (01:27:44):
Well, thanks for coming back and we'll have you back on.

Well, thank you very much.
Well, you guys have a goodholiday.
Happy New Year.

Happy New Year, happy New.

Chris Wallace (01:27:53):
Year.
Happy New Year.

Mike (01:27:57):
Love it when he drops a new video.

Yes, absolutely Always enjoyable to talk with
him.

Mike (01:28:03):
Even his short takes.

I like that.
Yes, I was going to say, but weneed to get him on for a full
episode.
I would love to dive deep intoall that stuff.

Mike (01:28:14):
Looking forward to 2025 on the scale model workshop.

Yes.

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Mike (01:28:47):
Dave, where is that Japanese plane?

Well, my Sam is on my bench.
It's been getting treated withtube oils and the top is
basically done.
Then I have to flip it and dothe underside, which I think
will go much faster.
Then, once I do that, it's, youknow, a matter of some streaks

(01:29:16):
and some other weathering.
A final gloss coat, slaptogether the little fiddly parts
that are already painted andsitting aside, and then you peel
off the masking on the canopyand you cross your fingers and
pray that everything turns outas it should.

(01:29:38):
That's always the moment whereyou're like, oh my God, and
other than that, that'll be done.
So, like I said, I had hoped towrap that in December, but it's
probably going to be the first15 days of January.
But it's darn close.

(01:30:01):
It's looking good.
It did.
Yeah, I like it, I really do.
Steve has been very helpful ingiving me hints and comments and
stuff, and I really like it.
And the Moosaroo is movingalong.
And now I'm under a time crunchand the real thing is that I've
got to build the vignette thatgoes with it and I've got the

(01:30:28):
vignette all laid out in my mind.
But this will be the first timeI've ever done anything like
that, and so you know, we'll see, but we're going to get done,
it's going to get done.
The BT-7 from Flyhawk issitting there and that's really.

(01:30:53):
It's to the point where I justput some pieces on and paint it
and it's, you know, and thenweather and do all the evan
magic to it after that.
But, uh, you know, the bench ismy, my bench is active and I'm
pretty happy with it.
Again, especially during thedark time, I don't get down here

(01:31:18):
as much as I'd like to andsometimes, when I get down here,
I don't make the progress thatI should.
Just a long day, too tired.
Life happens to us and don'tmake yourself feel bad.
That's not the point of a hobby, but I like what's going on and

(01:31:42):
I can't wait to finish the yearout and start 2025.
What's your benchtop lookinglike?
As if I did not know.

Mike (01:31:51):
Well, I'll start with the light stuff.
I haven't done any of the weldseam work I talked about last
episode on that or the KV-85,but I'm getting close to wanting
to do that.
The other night I was justfiddling around, decided to go
ahead and put all the suspensionmounts on the flak panzer.
After a couple hours I had themall four stations on and they
all touched the ground.

That's always good.

Mike (01:32:15):
That was a lot of work to not make much visible progress
on the model.
You know, one thing I learnedwith that is well, I gotta get
some a new tank of print resinsomebody's 3d printed parts.
You just can't store them toolong really yeah, I'd probably
probably what I had.

(01:32:36):
Him man wasn't light tight.
Oh okay, and some things gotbrittle.
I'm gonna have to reprint a fewthings, so, but I'm not gonna
reprint them until I need themwell, okay, let me ask you.

That brings up an interesting question do you
think that once they're painted,that they will have the same
durability as an injectionmolded plastic kit?
Or do you think there is apotential for 3D printed kits to
break down over the long term?

Mike (01:33:09):
I think once they're painted that should give you
reasonable protection for the UVpart of it.
Once they're painted, thatshould give you reasonable
protection for the UV part of it.
But I don't know, uv aside, ifthere's any other long-term
stability issues with some ofthese resins that they just
happen to get brittle, usuallyit's a UV, usually there's some.
Regardless of what kind ofmaterial, resin or plastic it is

(01:33:30):
, there's usually anenvironmental component that
makes it get brittle.
But sometimes there's not,sometimes they just they just
get brittle on their own rightand well that'll be remains to
be seen I was going to saythat'll be an interesting
question long term as to as towhether modelers experience that
kind of problem now what's beengetting most of the time is the

(01:33:53):
float plane and I've gottenthat to the point where I have
all the well, I'll say all mostof the touch-up work's done and
most of the panel lining's doneon it.
In fact all the panel lining'sdone on it.
And I've been working on theengine.
This evening I got thepropeller pretty much finished
up to the point where I do somealuminum chips and scratches on

(01:34:13):
it.
I'll save that for once.
It's been flat, finished,looking good, man.
You know it makes me regretsome of the warts it's got on it
because it's kind of turned outbetter than anticipated.
So I guess the next step isonce I'm happy with the engine.
The engine's another weak pointof the kit.

Yeah, yeah, and that's very common in those 90s
kits it needs a new cowl and anew engine.

Mike (01:34:40):
At least the first bank and I.
You know that might not be thathard to do yeah it'd be a good
project for somebody.
But just the, it's the firstbank.
There's only half the firstbank.
That's all right on a blank.
So just not much you can dowith it and you just, you know,
hope the hub's big enough tohide most of it.

(01:35:00):
Yeah.

Well, you really won't see much of any of that.

Mike (01:35:05):
No, I just I was looking.
That plane has the same engineas the M8 Zero, the last one
uh-huh but I don't think anybodymakes a separate engine for
that I don't know, I'd have tolook I don't know if that was a

(01:35:27):
high production manufacturedversion of that plane or not
yeah, that engine may have beenused in a number of different
aircraft.
Oh, it was.
I've looked it up.

I'll have to look .
I'll bet you somebody makes aResonar, especially now with 3D
printing and my gosh, 72nd scale3D printed radial engines.
The detail that you can.
It calls to mind the ones fromChris Meddings for the Beaufort.

(01:36:01):
You know he sent us those.
Yeah, just absolutely amazing,the level of detail that you can
get on a 72nd scale radialengine.
So well, you're not going toswap out that one on that one
and you're probably not going tobuild another one anytime soon.

Mike (01:36:24):
Probably not, but let's get them done, man.
Yeah, that's right.

Chris Wallace (01:36:30):
Let's get them done.

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So, mike, we're toward the end of the episode
here.
I got to ask how's that?

Mike (01:37:25):
Dr Pepper.
It's only about half the one Ihad left over from earlier today
, so it's gone.
It was refreshing Dave.

Okay, well, dr Pepper has a reputation for
being refreshing.
You and I both happen to be DrPepper aficionados, so I can
appreciate your choice and yourbeer ale 6.7% alcohol by volume

(01:37:55):
and, as I said, it's RhinelanderBrewing out of Monroe,
wisconsin.
It's an IPA.
It's not bad.
It's got a little bit of anaftertaste that I don't
particularly care for, almostlike an aftertaste that you get

(01:38:17):
out of a Scotch ale.
So this isn't my favorite, butit's not awful and you know I'm
enjoying it, but probably notsomething I would choose to to
have again.

Mike (01:38:34):
We'll have to do better next episode.
I will.
I'll definitely to do betternext episode?

I will.
I'll definitely do better Metoo, Mike.
We're here at the last segmentof the last episode of 2024.
You got a shout out.

Mike (01:38:57):
I'm just going to shout out everyone who's tuned into
Plastic Model Mojo over the year.

You stole mine.

Mike (01:39:04):
Well, you can do it too.
I am, and especially thosewho've helped us along
financially.
It's been a big boost this yeargiven the stuff we're trying to
get going and it is coming.
It's just been slow going andwe appreciate the support and
hopefully it will continue andgrow in 2025.
Thank you very much, folks, andhave a happy new year.

Yes, and I would like to add my thanks to
everyone who's out therelistening, to everyone who's
interacted, especially toeveryone who supported us
financially.
That has been a great help.
You don't know how much of ahelp that has been, and this is

(01:39:49):
a fun hobby.
It's been a great year andlet's see if we can make 2025
even better.

Mike (01:39:57):
All right, dave, bear close this one out, as we always
do.

You know what they say, mike.
So many kits, so little time.
I'll see you in 2025.
All right, man Happy.

Mike (01:40:08):
New Year dude.

Happy New Year.
Bye.

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