Shop Talk with Bob Bair: Episode 144

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"The Voice of Bob" Bair (00:11):
Welcome to Plastic Model Mojo, a
podcast dedicated to scalemodeling, as well as the news
and events around the hobby.
Let's join Mike and KentuckyDave as they strive to be
informative, entertaining andhelp you keep your modeling mojo
alive.

Kentucky Dave (00:39):
All right, kentucky Dave, episode 144.
Yep, I am looking forward to it.
That would be a gross yes 12square, or airliner scale,
airliner scale, there you go.

Mike (00:55):
Well, we've got somebody in third chair tonight and folks
have heard a lot of him inPlastic Model Mojo.
They just heard him.
That's right, the voice of Bob,bob, bear, bob, how's things in
Charlotte?

Welcome to oh no, we already did that.

That was good.

They are really really hot,
Physically really hot, I imagine.
So yeah, there has been liketwo straight weeks of heat index
over 100.

The Piedmont heatmont heat yeah well, now
that my pool's open, I'm happyfor that I bet I bet you are.

Mike (01:31):
Yeah felt good on the fourth of july.
It did well, bob.
Since you're in the third chair, we're just gonna start with
you.
Man, what is up in your modelsphere?

yeah, my model sphere.
Well, let's see.
I got a few things working onthe bench.
I've got, of course, the neverending story of me building the
P38J from Tamiya, and then Ijumped over and started working
on the Revell SR71, trying toget some of the wheel wells

(02:01):
painted up a little bit andstart assembling that here in a
little bit.
And I've been working on a anold ho steam engine.

so there you go.
Well, I mentioned to you, Ithink in a direct message though
, on that sr71 go take a look atuh chris wallace model airplane
makers, youtube on that,because he did a really
excellent job on that blackfinish.

What amazes me is that's black
without using black Exactly.
That's so cool.
I love it.
I can't wait to get to that.
I'm going to definitely I'mgoing to try that because it
just looks.
It looks great.

Mike (02:40):
He's also been working on some brass locomotive too.
Yeah, yep.
Nice, he's also been working onsome brass locomotive too.
Yeah, yep.

Nice, yeah, one of dad's old, uh old
ones that just kind of gottenbeaten up over the years.
So, um, took it apart, cleanedit up and I meant Wallace.

Mike (02:54):
Wallace has been working on oh has he?
Oh he uh, he fixes stuff forthe local shop up there on
occasion and he sent me thispicture of it's like a, an old
traction locomotive, you knowlike a box cab kind of thing,
and I don't know, it's some oldJapanese brass thing.
Wasn't working.
It's working now.
Well, good, Glad you're, gladyou're getting bench.

(03:15):
We'll get into those in thebench top after I'm important a
little more detail.
But, dave, what's up?

Well, in my model sphere, the pool's open, it's
hot.

Mike (03:25):
It's not the model sphere, it's the backyard.

Well, my model sphere has kind of been
compromised by the fact that my88-year-old mother took a fall
recently and broke six ribs.
So she was in the hospital fivedays and she's finishing up
about 12 days of rehab and willgo home tomorrow.

(03:49):
But what that's done is, ofcourse, family comes first, so
that's kind of given my modelingand my model sphere a backseat.
However, I have been anxiouslylooking forward to the Nationals
at Hampton, been plotting whatwe're going to do, where we're

(04:14):
going to do it and who we'regoing to do it with, and that's
got my juices flowing.
That's kind of kept me goingthrough some tough times here
lately and I've gotten a littlemodeling done, which we'll talk
about at the Benchtop HalftimeReport.
But my model sphere is good.
Your model sphere.

(04:35):
Mike, calls for answers,answers, yes, mojo, listening.
Public demands answers.
They want to know why you, amodeling fluid connoisseur, were
pictured at my pool on July 4thholding nay, drinking a Pabst,

(05:02):
blue ribbon, red, white and bluecan man, what do you have to
say for yourself?

Mike (05:07):
It was the 4th of July.
I make no apologies.
You know, into the 1970s it wasthe king of beer.

Yes it was yeah For beer bong.

Mike (05:18):
For certain brewers in the St Louis area who had a bigger
marketing department.
They've promoted a lesserproduct to the masses.
I'm not saying it's a greatbeer, but for sitting out in the
sun on the 4th of July it'll dofine.

Well, what's up in your, now that you've been
thoroughly raked over the coalsfor your choice of modeling
fluid?
I'll do it again next year.
There you go, we'll get a againnext year.
There you go, we'll get apicture next year, or maybe,
maybe next year we'll get you a,a blats or affairs or a Schlitz
.
No, or a natty, a natty boat.

And you're out of Schlitz, you're
out of beer.

Here you go.

Mike (06:00):
You know you're out of money too.

Some iron city Maybe.

There you.
You know you're out of moneytoo.
Get to some Iron City, maybe.
There you go, old frothingslosh.
Ooh, that's the stuff, mike.
What's up in your real modelsphere?

Mike (06:19):
You know this is kind of a double dip because we got some
model railroad commentary.
We just finished up there withBob and talking about Chris
Wallace and over severalepisodes we've been talking
about that book collection youwent to see and then we've had a
lot of stash reduction andestate planning banter.
Over the next episode and acouple other places I finally

(06:39):
purged my furnace room of allthe model railroad stuff that I
had left Almost all of it, 90%of it, 99% of it probably Just
on Facebook marketplace beenselling it, sold a bunch there
and then last weekend bought atable at the local show for one
of the local train clubs.
The doors to the public openedat 10.

(07:01):
I went in at nine to set up,spread out my wares, sold a
couple of things real quick toone of the club members and then
a dude came by and was sizingup everything and he could tell
what I was doing and he said howmuch for all of it and I gave
him my number and he took it andI boxed it back up and fold up
my tablecloth and still 10minutes for the show open to the

(07:23):
public.
I went home and enjoyed therest of my Saturday by going
fishing Nice.

With a fat wad in your pocket.

Mike (07:32):
That's right, that's it's long gone now.
It was earmarked, so that's theway we go.
So that's my model sphere.

Well, since we're recording, I'm assuming A you
have modeling fluid and B it isnot Pabst Blue Ribbon.
So, mike, do you have amodeling fluid in front of?

Mike (07:53):
you, I do.
I am sipping on some more ofthat Old Forrester 1920 I had
last time.

Oh, good stuff.
So that's what I meant you needto bring some of that to the
dojo in Hampton.
That's good stuff.
Bob, do you have a modelingfluid?
I do, oh, listen to that.

Knocked the bottom out of that glass
Glug, glug, glug, glug, glug.
A little Buffalo Trace for theevening.

Mike (08:20):
Nice, so you can get that in Charlotte.
You can't get it in my city,that's right.

It helps if one of the guys you
know has a daughter that worksat the ABC store.

Oh, that's great.
That's right.
North Carolina has ABC stores,don't they, mm-hmm?

Mike (08:39):
Yeah, dave, what do you got?

I've got a modeling fluid too.
This is another one of themodeling fluids sent by listener
Ken Schaefer.
This is Two Roads Brewery's noLimits Hefeweizen.
That one was good, yeah, yeah,I think I'm going to enjoy this.
I think I'm going to.
I hadn't had I know I gave youyours.

(09:03):
I hadn't had this one from thegroup that he sent us, and so I
figured tonight was the nightand so far it's good, and I'll
let you know at the end.

Mike (09:15):
Well, we got plenty of listener mail, yeah Cool.
So, bob, you'll get a chance tooffer your comments on these as
well, and we're just going toget started with the stuff
that's come in through the emailchain.
Dave, all right Up firstsomeone we haven't heard from in
a while, from Saginaw, michigan, scott Stachowiak.
You know he came by the dojo atime or two in the past and I

(09:36):
guess one conversation we hadwith him in Madison yeah,
madison, I can't remember if wesaw him in Madison or in amps,
but is it Madison?

No yeah.

Mike (09:47):
How to, how to handle the deluge of people and and have
Mike and Dave not get kicked outof the hotel Wristbands.
He's got something, he's got anidea and we'll have to talk
about that offline, but you know, looking forward to that, yeah,
I am too One way or the other.

Yes, we're not exactly sure how that's going to
work this year, given ourarrangements, but we're we'll.
We'll work something out, bobyou gonna make it this year I am
I was gonna say heck, it's ahop, skip and a jump for you
this is.

This is exciting for me because it will
be the first one I've been ableto drive to.

Oh, that's great.
That means you can bring a lotof models, and as long as you
make sure that you don't bring alittle sports car but you bring
something big, it means you canfit a lot of purchases on the
way back.

Yes, I will be bringing Marv.
Marv, yes, what is Marv that's?
Marv is short for MissileAcquisition Recovery Vehicle.
Oh, it's an 88 Blazer that'sbeen modified a bit.

Mike (10:59):
Oh cool.
Well, that's cool.
Is Mrs coming with you thisyear?

She decided not to.
Actually, the plan was that shewas going to come along, but
she has decided that she didn'twant to go.
So I actually had reserved someextra time at the beginning.
So I'll cut some of that outand then just be there for the
good stuff.

Well, clearly she's a smart woman.

Yeah, I think so yeah.

Mike (11:29):
Up next Joel Munson, and he says he just got back from
two weeks in Japan.
He lived there for two years inhigh school at the Yokosuka
Naval Base and went to the NileSea Kinnick High School alma
mater of Mark Hamill.
Really he's known as LukeSkywalker.
Yeah, and I know who NileKinnick High School alma mater
of Mark Hamill.
Really that's what it's knownas Luke Skywalker.

Yeah, and I know who Niall Kinnick is.

Mike (11:49):
Well, he wanted to vouch for some of the stuff that
Harvey Lowe was talking about.
Mm-hmm, he can confirm theexistence of the how Do you Even
have this?
Kits over in the Akihabarasection of Tokyo, and he wanted
to add to Harvey's point aboutpassports getting a discount.
A lot of it is encouragingforeign shopping from tourists.

(12:11):
It's basically removing theirVAT, but it's still kind of odd
that that happens up front.
When I was other places I'vetraveled, that's usually not the
case, right, if you want to getthat back, you've got to go
apply for it on your end.

Right and that's the way it is in Canada is if
you spend money and keep yourreceipts, there's a form you can
fill out and you can get somemoney back on the back end.

Mike (12:36):
Well, if you go to Japan, you're going to get that 8% back
on food.
Yeah, Interesting Bob you everbeen to Japan?

I have not.
That's one of those bucket listthings.

Mike (12:47):
I've been, but I didn't get to do this thing like Harvey
did, as he's talked about inthe last episode.
That sounds like a fun time.
Yes, jason Campbell from MiddleTennessee has written in again.
Dave, okay, he went to theChattanooga Model Con and had a
great time.
Wish we could have gone?
Yeah, we did not.
No, but I saw they're going topick up their original date in

(13:09):
January.
Yes, so they're going to fliparound and have another show in
seven months.

Yeah, and we need to.
Since January is usually deadtime, you and I need to plan to
go.

We'll see what happens.
Yeah, that one got movedbecause of weather, right?

Mike (13:24):
Yes, I think it's weather that almost that barely happened
in the end, but it was too late.
Once you call it, you call itright.
Yeah, kind of like schools inCharlotte when it gets grazed up
in the wintertime.

Hey if there's.

Mike (13:37):
If there's if there's one inch of snow out there that
everything closes.
Yeah, duns dunsville.
Well, he had some conversationswith some of the chattanooga
club guys.
Now he's not in chattanoogaproper, but he decided to attend
their july meeting, which isgoing to be july 21st, which is

(13:57):
not too far off, and he's goingto be presenting a meeting and
talk about the gund communityand Gundam modeling and all that
, and he said it was met withenthusiastic support and they
offered to lend assistance,which he only needed a TV and an
HDMI cable.
So, jason, we look forward tohearing about that.
Yeah, maybe you can take thatshow on the road you could.

(14:21):
Man has Nats had a Gundam orMecha?
I know somebody did a MachiningKrieger one Right.

I don't know if they've had a Gundam
presentation, a seminar, butthat certainly would be.
I would not doubt we're goingto see them in the future
because we're getting expandedGundam categories already.

Mike (14:48):
Bob, your club got on that bandwagon.

No, not yet.
You find the home of NASCAR.
A lot of cars, a lot ofvehicles.
Our club is pretty diverse, butyou get outside the city and
I've gone to a couple up, youknow, just up the road in
Statesville, and you know thecontest has all these categories

(15:14):
for cars.
And then, oh, here's one forscience fiction, here's one for
tanks, here's one for planes.

I understand.

Mike (15:24):
Well, Arthur Garanazo from Brazil has written in again, oh
great.
And he had a question for us.
He wants to know if weparticipate in modeling forums
anymore these days, and inparticular the written ones.
He meant go ahead, Dave,because I know you were
moderating.

I still do moderate 72nd-scale aircraft
forum.
I still do moderate 72nd scaleaircraft forum.
I don't participate as much asI would like to, just simply
because the Internet's likedrinking from a fire hose man is
because of the threaded natureof forums.

(16:04):
Six months from now I can goback and I can find that really
fantastic build that Petra Oladid on the W34 if I wanted to do
something like it, and so Icould actually, whereas if I saw
something six months ago on aFacebook group, even if I could

(16:28):
remember the group I saw it on,I'm not sure you'd ever find it.

Mike (16:32):
Yeah, I find myself saving posts on Facebook.

Yes, yeah, I do think that you have to do that
more with Facebook is becauseyou know you'll never find it
again.

Mike (16:45):
Yeah, I don't really there was in its heyday.
That more with Facebook isbecause you know you'll never
find it again.
Yeah, I don't really there wasin its heyday.
At the front end of theinternet there was track links
and missing links for the ArmourGuide.
I was pretty heavy into both ofthose for a long time but, gosh
, not anymore.
It's almost all on social media.

Yeah.

I've dabbled in Brit Modeler.
I've found a lot of good stuffin that one, but that's a few.

Yeah, it's very eclectic.
I like Brit modeler, I like the.
I like the vibe at Brit modeler.

Yeah, it is, you're right, it is a
very good.
Everyone is very helpful.
Yeah, yeah, it's a good forum.

Mike (17:22):
Well, and then you know, the photo bucket fiasco.

Oh God, yeah, that trashed a lot of stuff.

Mike (17:28):
Trashed a lot of forums, yeah yeah, and you know it's
like perfect storm.
It wasn't long after thathappened the social media stuff
started ramping up.

Yep.

Mike (17:37):
And that was kind of the end of that, though you know,
those armor forums are stillaround.
At least one of them is, Ican't remember which one.
I think it's.
Missinglinks is still there,and Hyperscale is still around.
Interesting question, but no, Idon't do much of that anymore.
It's just a sign of the times.

He didn't say whether he was doing
any of it.

Mike (17:57):
He did.
He mentioned one.
Let me back up and find thatagain Modeler's Alliance, oh,
modelers Alliance.

I've never heard of that one.
Okay.

Mike (18:06):
And he mentions before he passed that Bob Letterman was
pretty active in that forum, sothat's the one he was in.
Okay, from IPMS Silver Wings,drew Savage.
He wanted to thank us forgetting the word out on
SilverCon 2025 in Sacramentoback in May.
More than happy to, he said.
Last year they had 300 modelsentered and this year it was

(18:27):
north of 400.

That's fantastic.

Mike (18:33):
And he wants to attribute at least some of that to us
helping boost attendance byhelping getting the word out.

Listen any listener out there your clubs
having a show, reach out, mikeand I.
I mean first of all post theflyer on the dojo, post pictures
from the show on the dojo, butreach out to Mike or I and let
us know we want to promote theseshows Again.

(19:00):
Mike and I are big believers inpeople going to shows, not for
the competition unless that'syour bag but just for the
interaction that you get withfellow modelers.

Mike (19:16):
Bob, I used to go to a bunch in North Carolina when I
was living in Tennessee, stillto front end my modeling career
Over in the Asheville area maybe.
We used to do the AshevilleFrench broad chapter show.
We used to go to Charlotte.
We used to go to Salisbury.
Is that club even still around?
Arm air is what it was, Ibelieve.

I haven't heard them.
I know we the last one that ourclub, the Charlotte scale
modelersers, did to the show.
We did it with gastonia.
Yeah, I remember that.
Yeah, they had, but you knowthey gastonia has seven members,
um, so, but we're doing itagain this year, so, but you

(19:57):
know it's still out in november,so we'll we'll give you the
information for that when itgets a little bit closer.

Mike (20:04):
Well, last episode we mentioned new wear, kits, new
wear models.

And Mike Ida-Kavich, as predicted, wrote
in, I think if you say new wearthree times, fast, Mike
Ida-Kavich appears in yourbathroom.
You know it's like BiggieSmalls.
If you say Biggie Smalls intothe mirror three times, Hi guy.

Mike (20:27):
Well, he says New Wear kits, he recommends them.
They have one of the bestcatalogs of real space-related
resin kits in regards to bothWell, not both, but in regards
to diversity, quality andbuildability, and he sent some
photos of the ones that he'sbuilt.
Yep, put those on a dojo.

I've got a couple of those myself.

Mike (20:47):
Thomas, the man behind New Wear and its founder, is a
really great guy and Mike hasknown him since the late 90s and
he joined a few of the realspace modelers at the IPMS
National Convention in Orlandoto take in a shuttle launch.
Oh wow, so that was probablyfun, yeah, yeah.
Oh wow, so that was probablyfun, yeah, yeah.
And Mike says when given achoice to pick up a real space
kit, he tends to select the newwear version when there's

(21:10):
overlap.
So there you go New wear,expect a big order.
New wear from David Goldfinchthat's right.

Yeah, no kidding.
If they're going to be at theNationals, I would definitely be
spending cash there.

Mike (21:28):
Yeah, I don't know.
I checked the vendor list ifthey're there or not.

That reminds me I need to go sell some blood.

Mike (21:36):
Well, Dave, that's all I got from the email side of
things.
Have things been coming in viaFacebook Messenger?

Yes, they have First up is Agent 003, brandon
Jacob.
Brandon had previouslycommunicated with us where he
had dipped his toe into buyingcollections and then liquidating
them and he's bought anothercollection, sent me some

(22:02):
photographs, a lot of classicAirfix and Frog and Matchbox in
the old-style boxings, which ledto a couple of conversations.
One is Brandon's discovery thatthere's a whole other group of

(22:26):
modelers guys out there.
You might find them on Facebook.
They build alone.
They don't interact on modelingFacebook groups, facebook

(22:51):
groups, they're just people wholike to model Quietly.
He says you get everything fromfolks just gluing parts
together to full-blown,top-quality modelers.
And he said that was kind ofeye-opening to him that there
was this whole other subcultureand that led to the discussion
of the subculture of folks whocollect models not to build but

(23:11):
they actually collect models,older models, and want
particular boxings withparticular box art or particular
styles of box and said it justit's.
This foray into buying andliquidating collections has led

(23:35):
him to a much expanded view ofthe hobby.

Mike (23:40):
Because we interviewed a guy here locally that's got a
pretty big Vanity Skid business.

Speaking of which , I need you to put me in touch
with him.
That's on my list.
I need to do that.

Stuff you want to buy Dave.

No, he has a whole bunch of decals that he
needs help organizing.
That's true, and I can't resistdecals, and I can't resist
decals.
Oh, speaking of which, Brandonsent in a wheel question and I
will forward that wheel questionto you.
It was a really good one, andso I'll send it to you so you
can add it to the list.

(24:15):
Brandon's great man he is.
He's living the life man he'sjust living the life.

Him and I kind of bonded in Texas.
We spent a lot of hours sittingat the bar drinking.

No no.

Believe it or not.
Yeah, there was some kind offluid involved.
Yeah, we really had a good timetogether.
That was good.

Martin Hulse reached out.
That was good.
Martin Hulse reached out.
He had gotten one of the earlyArma Hawk 75 kits the French
markings and it's a kit that I'mvery much interested in.
He got it for a test build,slash, review, build and it's

(25:08):
still technically under wraps.
But he was kind enough to reachout and tell me what he
encountered about the kitbecause obviously I'm very
interested in it.
So, overall, very nice kit.
Like any model kit there arethings you need to pay attention
to.
That was very kind of him tohelp me with my curiosity.

(25:30):
Terry Wilkinson reached out tous to make sure we're going to
be at the Nats because he'stired of carrying around
modeling fluid that he's got forus and he's not the only one.
Several people have reached outto confirm that we definitely
truly to seeing all of you andwe'll receive whatever modeling

(26:10):
fluid happens to come our way.
Scott Daniel, a listener in theUK, reached out because he
travels to Cincinnati three tofour times a year for business.
Cincinnati three to four timesa year for business.
I don't know what business he'sin or who he works for, but it

(26:30):
causes him to travel toCincinnati three to four times a
year and he actually reachedout to recommend some beers from
local Cincinnati microbrews, aplace called Dingle House, and
he recommended a couple of beers.
That led to the conversation toexpanding, talking about

(26:55):
Hofbrauhaus, talking about themuseum in Dayton, the Newport
Aquarium, jungle Gyms, and wejust had a nice wide-ranging
conversation.
And I'll say again what I toldhim in the DMs, which is, if
ever on any of these trips toCincinnati he gets a day where

(27:17):
he can take a ride for about anhour and 20 minutes down the
road, he can go to Scale Reprodureproductions and I'll meet him
there and give him thepersonally guided scale
reproductions tour.

Mike (27:31):
Well, cincinnati is kind of like Nashville man.
They're want for a good localhobby.

Yes, they are yeah, which is surprising.
Yep, I am surprised.
The next DM is from one of ourfellow podcasters.
Robert Adams, with the Insanitypodcast, reached out because
you know they have, just like wehave, the dojo, they have a
group and suddenly they had intheir group one of these AI

(28:06):
chatbots generating posts andinteracting and being a pain in
the butt that nobody asked forand he had remembered my dealing
with it an episode or two backand he reached out because he
wanted to kill it and hecouldn't figure out how to kill

(28:27):
it.
So I basically walked throughwith him killing this thing and,
man, I just wish facebook wouldstop doing stuff like this.
It's a pain in the butt, but wewere happy to help out our
friends over at insanity.
What'd it take to kill it?
Stake in the butt, but we werehappy to help out our friends
over at Insanity.

Mike (28:46):
What did it take to kill?
It Stake in the heart A coupleof silver bullets.

As you would expect, what they do is they
hide it as far deep down intomenus as they can possibly do,
because they don't want you tokill it, and so they make it as
tough as possible to dig downinto the menus to find the right
place where you can turn offall the settings.
I managed to walk him throughit.

(29:12):
He managed to kill it.
I'm happy for him, andZuckerberg, please stop doing
stuff like that.
Two more One our friend, johnMcAvoy, reached out and sent
four wheel questions and I willpass those on to you, mike, and
they were all really goodquestions.
So this is the moment I'm goingto take to thank everybody

(29:34):
who's sending wheel questions.
We need to repopulate the wheel.
You can DM them to me, but thebest way to make sure that they
get to where they need to go isemail Mike at plasticmodelmojo
at gmailcom and send him yourwheel questions, because we're

(29:55):
looking forward to doing anotherwheel episode.

Yeah, that's fun, I love that.

Mike (29:59):
Well, let's have you back for a wheel.

Yeah, that's right, I'd love it.

For a wheel yeah.

I'd love that.
That'd be great.

Finally, listener Dave Waples, who we've heard
from before.
Dave was in the ShenandoahNational Forest which, by the
way, is as close to heaven asyou ever get on Earth and he was
at an establishment and he saw,saw, on the beer menu, gumball

(30:27):
Head.
Having been a loyal listenerfor a long time, he knew what
Gumball Head was.
He ordered it and he was verypleased with it, said it was an
excellent beer.
So he reached out to let usknow and I'm happy to convert

(30:47):
another person to Gumball Headbecause it's a really, really
good beer.
So how much do you get fromthem?
Nothing, and we should getsomething from them.
Mike and I even made apilgrimage to the brewery last
year and in fact, mike, I needto talk to you about whether
we're going to do that againthis year, because I would like

(31:10):
to do that again this year.

I mean at least a six-pack a month
would be, you know.
Yeah, really Right.

Or send us a pony keg, you know, oh yeah.

Mike (31:21):
I like that.
That'd last a day or two.
Yeah, that'd be good.

So that's it from the DM side, Mike.

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(33:12):
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We've got Stephen Lee SpreepEye with Frets.
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And the InShotGuy in 72nd scale, the InShotGuy blog, our friend
, jeff Groves, up in Indiana,has got a great blog and man,

(33:57):
what was he building recently?

Dave he was building something that you
would be happy with, which wasF9F, cougars and Panthers.

Mike (34:06):
Ah, that's right.

A4.
He's kind of on a jet naval airkick.
So he even had an F8 sittingout on the table.
I think that was to shame me.

Mike (34:22):
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Mike (35:59):
Well, guys, as it has become customary in our I don't
know most of this year, I guessone of our feature episodes
every month has been the shoptalk thing we've been doing and
folks have been enjoying it.
And, bob, that's what webrought you in for.
It's a lot more fun when we'vegot somebody in the third chair
for these and we even let youpick some of the topics this
time.
How about that?

Yeah, isn't that scary, that's right.

Mike (36:29):
I like that.
Fresh ideas, fresh blood.
Well, topic number one isaftermarket.
Somebody make me stop buying it.
Who's going first?
Bob, I guess you're going first.
Yeah, let's let Bob go first.
You got a little aftermarketproblem.

I do.
I mean, you know, I get get soexcited, especially when I go to
nationals and I start diggingthrough the edwards area and I'm
like, oh, that would be cool,oh that, oh yeah, let's do that.
So I mean, and that's I, I didthat with this p38 I'm working

(37:01):
on, so I'm oh yeah well, I needboth engines right and I need
the flaps, and I need thecockpit and I need the preach
brother.
And it's just.
Yeah, I just so.
I even even with this SR 71,I'm trying to control myself and
just get a few things thatreally are necessary, but I just

(37:24):
.
But if I see something, youknow it's, it's a shiny object.

Oh God.
Well, and here's where a myname's David.
I'm an addict too, bob.
If you look over when you'regoing through that Edward or CMK
stuff, you'll probably see mestanding next to you.
I have the same problem, and inaddition to two additional

(37:52):
things about it.
One, yes, I buy a lot of thisstuff, but I rarely use it.
And two, sometimes, when I useit, it sabotages large and small

(38:23):
to use the aftermarketsometimes, and then you may find
that, having done that, itmakes the build much more
difficult, and so I think that'spart of why I end up buying way
more of this stuff than Iactually use.

(38:44):
Now, bob, be honest with me Onthat P38, did you use both
aftermarket engines?

Yeah, both.
Yeah, oh wow, I know.
Well, you know, I almostconsider one of them as a test
and then, hopefully, I can getthe other one to be even better,
and then that will be the onethat I expose.

Okay, so wait a minute.
Are you telling me you're goingto have an aftermarket engine
in this model that is going tobe covered up engine?

in this model that is going to be
covered up.
That that's possible.
That is definitely possible.
We'll see when I get there.

I love it.
You make me feel so much betterabout myself, bob, thank you.

Mike (39:34):
Oh, I was thinking there for a minute.
You need them to make it match,but they're in lines, aren't
they?
Yes, it's not like you got acylinder bank.
You can see from the front ofthe cowl, that's right.
Then it would make sense toreplace them both, because the
plastic one's just not going tolook as good as the other one
you replaced if you don'treplace them both.

But there is so much of this piping
that is required for each one ofthem.
It's really a kit in each one,including the gun bay as well.
That I did.
Yeah, it's just incredible howmuch work goes into that little
little engine.
I can't stop it.

(40:16):
I look at the stuff and I'mlike, oh man, that's going to
look so cool.
I can't stop it.
I look at the stuff and I'mlike, oh man, that's going to
look so cool.

Okay, I have to ask on your P38, quick count off
the top of your head how manypieces don't count?
Decals, how many pieces ofaftermarket are going to be on
this model?
So we're counting each engine,yeah count each engine
separately, count each wheelseparately.

Oh, that's right.
The wheels and the landing gearyeah, that too, yeah, so it's
going to be the gun bay, whichalso includes the parts of the
fuselage that cover it too, andthen both the engines.
I've got the flaps.
I decided to purchase flaps aswell.
Landing gear, weighted wheels,cockpits yeah, and that Gumby.

(41:10):
That should be about it.

That's going to be a lot of aftermarket man.

And it's so much butchering of the
model.
There is no model I've ever hadbefore where I had to use a saw
.

There you go.
Does it hurt your soul a littlebit to cut into that fine
Tamiya plastic with thatbeautiful molding on it?
Does it?
Does it kind of hurt you whenyou cut into it?
It?

hurts a lot.
I mean it just because I knowthere's just okay, here it goes.
No going back now.

No going back now , oh, that's awesome, mike, do
you well, you've got anaftermarket addiction, maybe not
a huge one I do.

Mike (41:53):
It's not as bad as it used to be.
I've got a lot of obsoleteaftermarket back there.
I think I've joked aboutstarting the Jurassic
aftermarket exhibit at theaftermarket museum of history.

There you go.

Mike (42:09):
Yeah, I got some real junk back there, which is something
worth mentioning.
It's like there's still somebad stuff out there, but
generally the base quality ofmost aftermarket nowadays is way
better than it used to be.

Yes, and with 3D printing it's getting better and
better.

Mike (42:27):
My problem is the way I model.
I would pick and choose, so I'dbuy.
You know there are severalprojects that I know.
I've bought three or fourphoto-it sets for the same
subject, for the same kit andI've picked and chosen out of
that.
So I've got a big stack offrets in my spares area that's

(42:49):
just picked over and cherrypicked.
Photo etch sheets, yeah, or ormore more intensive detail sets
I had resin and photo etch andI've just picked out you know
the best of the best and and usethat.
So I don't know it.
It it can get expensive, yesyeah, you don't want to know
what, what a model costs?

(43:12):
yeah, I've been, I've been.
I still buy, not not like Iused to.
I still buy quite a bit.

Yeah, I do too, and if you threw decals into
here as well, we'd be off thecharts on a whole other planet,
because that's a whole separatetype of aftermarket that I'm
just.
I have no willpower at all.

Mike (43:36):
Well, I'm trying to think of what's the most recent thing
I bought, and when I bought itit's probably mail order or eBay
.
It was some resin bits for aSoviet T-70 light tank.
It's probably the last thing Ibought.
That was aftermarket.
No, that's not true.
No, there are ABRA parts for myKV-85 products which I'll get
into in the Benchtop HalftimeReport.

(43:58):
That's probably the last thingI bought to in the Benchtop
Halftime Report.
That's probably the last thingI bought.
We've not had the what Brokeyour Wallet segment in the
podcast now for probably goshgoing on four months.

It hadn't been that long.

Mike (44:10):
I think it has Well, save it for after.

"The Voice of Bob" Ba (44:14):
Nationals ?
Oh yeah right, it'd be plentyof opportunity there.

Mike (44:17):
It's been three months because the last time we did it
was after HeritageCon.

Yeah, probably true.
Yeah, well, that'll be thespecial Dave declares bankruptcy
episode.

Mike (44:31):
So I've not looked at the national convention to see what
aftermarket folks.
Oh, we know Edward's going tobe there.
Oh yeah, I don't know ifthere's any Gosh.
There's so many now.

Yeah, I'll be interested to see what new 3D
print companies show up, peopleyou've never heard of before.

Mike (44:49):
Or digging through the junk boxes.

Well, that too.
That's how you end up with theJurassic aftermarket collection.

Mike (44:59):
Most of that I bought when it was new.

Yeah, a lot of it's in those boxes box
you ever dig through those boxes, bob, I have it, it's, it's
another, it's almost likeanother hobby searching through
the bargain.

It's like panning it's like panning for gold, you
, you you look through that isyou look through a lot of dirt
and every, every once in a while, you get a fine molds KI-43 for
$15.
From Harvey Lowe.
From Harvey Lowe, as a matterof fact, yes.

Mike (45:31):
Wrong scale for him.
Anything else on aftermarket.

No other than God saved me from it
yeah, I'm gonna try me too,trying this beast, beast.
I'm trying to be smarter aboutit.
But you know I've got someother projects in the, in the in
the wings here that that I wantto look at and and you know I'm
already looking at.
Oh, what can I buy extra for it?

hey, bob, you and I may need to get matching
shock collars for the nationalsand just walk with each other
and every time you reach out totouch some aftermarket.

Mike (46:10):
Well, bob, I got a question for you because you've
built some sci-fi stuff.
That's an aftermarket genre I'mnot familiar with, so I know
there's like companies makingStarfleet decals and stuff like
that.
But is there folks makingphysical, 3d, three-dimensional
aftermarket parts, photo etchand stuff for, I don't know,

(46:30):
star Wars or Star Trek orwhatever your fancy is?

There is a good bit of that out there.
There's more of the photo etchkind of stuff for that just to
kind of, you know, bring up thedetails than just the, you know,
the regular 3D or resin typepieces.
But yeah, there's quite a bitout there that also teases me in
that way.
Luckily, a lot of that, youknow the real space.

(46:57):
There's not a lot of regularplastic kits.
So when you buy some of theseyou know from resin makers or
some of these specialty places,you know it's already pretty
good.
Maybe I should.
Ooh, that might be a way for meto stop doing it.

Mike (47:16):
Buy real space kits.
Buy real space kits there yougo.
Buy real space kits.
Buy real space kits there yougo.
Another question from you, Bobwhat do you think of online
locations for get-togethers andbuilds?
That's kind of something thatkind of morphed out of COVID

(47:37):
lockdowns.
Yeah, the advancement oftechnology.
I'll start this one.
We've got a group, our Canadianfriends.
We get together.
It's about time to do it again.
We kind of got a littleirregular this summer and well,
this entire year.
So far we haven't done it toomany times, but usually on a
weekend we'll get together andjust turn on the cameras and sit
there and build and shoot thebreeze.
It's funny, though, becausethis has gotten pretty big with

(48:04):
a lot of.
I know some of the other podsdo it a lot.
We don't really do it throughthe podcast like they do, but
they're a lot of people usingdiscord for this right but I
think what I think interestingabout it is in 2020, when this
kind of started getting legsbecause of all the lockdowns,
everybody was lamenting thatthey had to do it this way.

It did allow, when you know you couldn't get
together because of COVID.
It did allow clubs to continueto get together and kind of kept
the cohesion going.
I know our club, the MilitaryModelers Club of Louisville, did
it quite frequently and itreally did serve to hold them

(48:49):
together.
Now I will tell you, I don'tthink it's as good as in-person
get-togethers, like the Saturdaymorning model sessions that we
have here in Louisville.
But if you're a modeler inYellowknife, canada, or Provo,

(49:14):
utah, or someplace where youmight not have a lot of other
modelers to get together with,to build or to interact, I think
that this is really a great wayfor people who are kind of in
isolated positions or with onlya couple modelers near them to

(49:38):
be able to get together with awider audience.
It's a good.
Again, I don't think itreplaces regular in-person model
meetings and I don't think itreplaces going to model contests
, which you know.
I mean there are virtual modelcontests and that's all fine and
good, but you just don't getthe same interaction that you

(50:04):
get going to an actual place andmeeting face to face with
actual people.
I don't think human interactionis going to be replaced by
virtual interaction anytime soon.

Yeah, I agree with that.
I mean, there's nothing betterthan sitting around with a bunch
of buddies and and building,you know, right, right there,
you know, throw stuff at eachother and so forth, but we just
don't.
I don't have that locally,right.
Um, so it it just that's kindof a replacement for me to to

(50:41):
kind of get in there and justinstead of me, you know, just
sitting there in silence ormusic or you know whatever else
is going on, I can just see hey,what are you doing?
Hey, or just a question how doI do this?
What else can I do that kind ofthing?
Yeah, what else can I do thatkind of thing?
It's nice to just be able tojust pick your head up and say,

(51:05):
hey, you know what, what do youthink, instead of having to type
something in or look for it orsomething like that yeah.

Mike (51:07):
Well, if you've got a regular, a regular one you
participate in.

I do jump into the insanity discord
when I can when I see people inthere.
Yeah, I try and jump in thereat times.

Have you tried?
Have you gotten involved insquadrons get togethers?
I think they're on Wednesday,Wednesday nights.
Yeah, I have not done that yet?
No, I haven't either but I wantto take a look at doing that.

Yeah, they've got that little live
session that they do onWednesdays.

Mike (51:38):
Yeah, that's not really not like a build group, though.

No, no, it isn't.

Mike (51:49):
It's just a live stream, but yeah, I've, we've got hours
and we should probably do itmore.
And Dave and I, we, we, uh, wedo it probably on a more regular
basis than we do with with,with the rest of our gang and
then our Minnesota friends.

Yeah.

Mike (51:59):
We're trying to get that one going too, but everybody's
been busy of late apparently.

Absolutely it has been.
We're not the only ones goingthrough these life things.

Yeah, yeah, so annoying.

Mike (52:11):
Yeah, it is Discord.
I've poked around in there alittle bit.
I remember I was trying to setone up for something else and it
was when it was fairly new, andmaybe it was an artifact of it
being new or that I was on themobile version on my phone or
I'm just turning into my dad,but I found it rather

(52:34):
unintuitive and a littledisorganized.
You know the different groupsand stuff.
I probably check into thatagain.
That could just be me being anidiot, I don't know.

You know you've got, you know, along
with the live stream portion ofit.
Yeah, discord will often have.
They'll set up all theseseparate rooms and you know how
many different, how granular doyou need to get to.
I just, I just want to go inand and see what people are

(53:05):
doing, instead of saying, youknow, having to search through a
bunch of different, you knowdifferent types of rooms, I'd
rather just go in there, lookfor what I want and then I'm
going to go live stream, justjump in there.

Mike (53:28):
But you know I've jumped in on the.
I didn't do do it this thispast one, but the year before
the, the 48 and 48 group build.
Yeah, that was fun.
Um, yeah, but you know I can'tdo everything.
That's that one's gotten somelegs and that one comes around
every year and and, uh, it'scertainly been popular.
I know folks like it, folks likeuh, like doing this, and I'd be
curious if what's kind of theratio of the ones that are more
public to the ones that are more?
You know, just a tight-knitgroup, just a few friends.
So, you know, like theInsanities, I assume it's pretty

(53:51):
much open to anybody who comesthrough the link, right, yeah,
so it can probably stack up witha lot of people on a weekend
when folks aren't too busy doingother stuff.
And as a counter to that, withour Canadian friends it's just
four or five of us Five would behigh tide probably and just
different things.
One can be a little moreintimate.
The other one just is a biggang of people.

(54:13):
That'd be more like our club inLouisville on Saturday morning.
Yeah, well, folks, we've gotthese.
I'd like to hear what otherpeople think about the online
locations for get-togethers anddo you as a listener?

do you have a regular group that you get
together with, not in person,but online Video builds, or
however you do it, we'd beinterested in knowing.

Yeah, and invite us.
Yeah, invite us.

We're not above showing up.

No.

Mike (54:46):
Well, this last topic comes from Steve Anderson's A
Guided Journal for Modelers, andhe is asking in five years,
what is one thing you wish youwould have started doing
regarding modeling?

You're going to hate my answer, Mike.

Mike (55:02):
It's going to be foreshadowing regret here.

No organization I know five years from now.
Well, I shouldn't say that Iwant to be more organized.
I want to get more organizedbecause I'm convinced that if
I'm more organized I will getbetter and more output.
I just keep letting life get inthe way, and even when life

(55:28):
doesn't get in the way, Iprocrastinate way too much.
So I can see myself in fiveyears looking back and going.
I wish I would have startedbeing more organized five years
ago, because I'd have a lot moremodels done and I'd be a lot
happier about my hobby, bob itprobably would be something like

(55:50):
3D printing, although that's,it's a scary thing because it
looks to me like a wholeadditional hobby.

Yeah, and, and I, I, but I can see
where that just you can seewhere that has really brought
something new to the, the wholeworld of model building.
I think, and it, it and I liketo be on that cutting edge at
times, but you know, I'm alwaysafraid of I'm going to buy this

(56:23):
3D printer and then next weekthere's a better one and then
I'm going to oh, yeah, the nextbig.

thing.

Mike (56:33):
Yeah, yeah, or just the next iteration.
I know there's modelers Ifollow and I'm friends with, and
I know more than one who've,just in the time this podcast
thing's been around you know,2019, 2020, has they've already
had three, three differentprinters?

Yeah, now on the plus side, printers are getting
cheaper.
That churn is not going to hurtquite as much, as each
generation not only gets better,but cheaper.

But it's not just the fact that
you're buying.
You know, maybe you'rereplacing your printer.
It's getting it past the wife.
Why are you buying another 3Dprinter and why are you keeping
the old one?
well, you know you've got tohave a backup um, yeah, then

(57:25):
you've got to have a backup forthe backup yeah, it's it just it
becomes just a never-endingstory of of, uh, more and more
printers and more and morehardware and less and less space
.
Yeah, it's, that's always beena fear to me of.
It's why I've kept away from it, I've decided I'm not gonna do

(57:47):
it, I'm gonna wait until, youknow they, they come up with
actual stuff like on star trek.
You know, we just, you know,ask for it and just it appears I
think for me on this one, it'sit.

Mike (58:01):
well, the one thing that comes to mind is starting to
develop my figure painting.
Hmm, because the way I model myslow progress and the way my
projects are usually fairly welldefined from the start, I just
don't get an opportunity toincorporate much of this into

(58:23):
those builds, so I don't get alot of practice, I don't get a
lot of replication andrepetition to develop that skill
and I just I haven't got to thepoint yet in my desire to do
this.
Maybe in five years.
I wish I had the desire to doit Right.
Maybe in five years I wish Ihad the desire to do it right.

(58:43):
Uh, if for me to do that Iwould have to just work on it as
practice with and I would thinkthat it my fear is it'd be
unrelated to anything, anyproject I had going on at the
time.
It'd be this extracurricularactivity of learning to be a
better figure painter, andthat's a.
That is a block of time I'vejust have yet to be willing to

(59:08):
parse out out of my hobby timeto go just do that but.

But I've got to say I would recommend that you
do, I would encourage you to dothat because I do think, unlike
aircraft or ships or cars even,I think a figure with a piece of
armor adds context anddimension in ways that you don't

(59:39):
see it or need it in the othergenres.
And so I do think that you know, having a really well, you can
have a really really nicely donepiece of armor on a base of
armor, on a base and I think, aslong as you do the figure well,

(01:00:07):
as long as you know it's to thesame level of quality that
adding at least a single figureor half figure adds to a piece
of armor modeling in ways thatisn't true across any other
genre.

Mike (01:00:22):
Yeah, I think that's true to an extent, and it's just, you
know, like the KV project,there's going to be two or three
that need to get done for that.
So maybe this is my opportunity, I don't know.

"The Voice of Bob" Bair (01:00:34):
And you know, actually, my, that's a
great one, honestly.
Uh, figure painting, I agree,that's a great one, honestly.
Figure painting, I agree,that's, that is.
That is a that is a great thingto to try to get into.
It seems like when, when peopleare doing that, they can just
sit down, paint and they just,you know, all right, I'll just

(01:00:55):
stop and walk away.
It seems like it's easier thanyou know having a stopping point
wherever you're going.
But yeah, I'm I, that issomething that I would.
I am just afraid to even try.
I just I'm afraid of much, likeyou said, dave, where it
enhances the overall look ofyour tank plane, whatever it
might be, but I'm afraid of ittaking away from it because it

(01:01:19):
looks so bad.

Kentucky Dave (01:01:22):
And the old joke about how you get to Carnegie
Hall Practice, practice,practice.

Mike (01:01:29):
So I need more bench time.

Yes, you need to burn through 100 figures.

Mike (01:01:34):
I'm about to where I won't be helping with homework and
crap anymore.

There you go yeah .

Mike (01:01:39):
Maybe I'm going to cash in my time chips here, yeah.

We'll see, we'll find someplace to put
it.

I'll hope for you , okay.

Mike (01:01:50):
And I'll wish in the other hand.
There, you go Anything else,guys?
On that one, no, you knowthere's probably some
scratch-pill projects.
I wish I would have started,but didn't.
I don't know that one's alittle far-fetched probably.
But yeah, figure painting isone that's always been kind of
like.
Yeah, I know what I need to do.
I just don't seem to want togive up the time to work it in.

Yeah.

It's just like all the other things
that we do, even just theairbrushing or testing things
we've all discussed.
Well, you've got to have a testmule and I sort of have one,
but do I really use it all thetime?
No, not even close.
Sometimes I just go paint.

(01:02:33):
They're just things that I feellike, yeah, it'll be five years
or have gone by and I'll go.
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Yep, they're rolling out two styles of Soviet
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Mike (01:03:52):
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Oh, what's that one?
This is the US Navy CVN carrydeck display bases.

I was going to say that's the other thing
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So he sent some photographs andwe encouraged him to put those
on the dojo as well, and itlooks pretty darn good it looks

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awesome.

He has posted a couple and man, the Soviet
airfield bases and the moderncarrier deck are just awesome.

Mike (01:04:58):
Well, this is the Benchtop Halftime Report and, bob,
you're going to repeat a fewthings or give us a little more
detail.
We know you're working on a P38with enough aftermarket to
choke a horse.

Yeah.

Mike (01:05:12):
What else.
Or get into that a little bit.
Tell us a little bit more aboutit.

Well, I've finished one engine which
includes some, you know, some ofthe fuselage you know covering
around it.

Right.

Um, and I've, I've built up, at least
started the, the second.
I was at at a for a time I wastrying to do them parallel, but
that, just that just became toomuch.
But that just became too much.
So I've set that one engineaside and I've got the other one
on the I considered a minimumof aftermarket and replaced the

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wheel wells and the enginenozzles, the burner cans.
Yeah, I've gotten some of thatprimed, so I'm ready to start
painting on that.
Man, I'm loving these AKmarkers, that kind of that is.
Those are great for that kindof stuff.
Really.

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Oh man, I'm, I'm just, I am, Iam, actually I'm really loving
it.
For for that little littledetail stuff you know especially
, you know you're, you handle it, you paint it to try and get
everything in place before youput on the extra stuff on the
outside, and you're obviouslyyou kind of mark up a little bit

(01:06:48):
or nix some stuff, and then Ijust pull out a pen and just
wipe, wipe, and then it's rightback to the way it was before.

I love that stuff .
You'll have to post some ofthat, some of that on the dojo.
Capture a little bit of thatand post it on the dojo.
Let me ask you a question theP-38, why?
In other words, what inspiredyou to say A, I want to build

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this?
Was it a particular aircraftyou wanted to build?
What was it that you just sawthe kit and thought, man, that
is the latest and greatest and Iwant to try my hand at it?
And then what inspired you togo whole aftermarket hog on it?

Well, I've been since grade school.
I've been a World war twoaircraft guy.
I've expanded that a lot sincethen but I've always loved those
aircraft and I built the Revell148 P 38 eons ago.

Yeah, my deep sympathy.

P-38 eons ago.
Yeah, my deep sympathy.
And yeah, and it was, you know,richard Bong's plane and I just
I've always loved that aircraft.
I love the.
You know I guess the PacificTheater is a focus for me.
Even just recently I've justread a couple of more books on
different things going on in thePacific theater and the and the

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P38 has just been a special,special plane for me.
So that's why I believe that Ibought all that stuff because I
want this to be, I just want itto be so cool, I just want it to
have all this stuff, wanted tohave all this stuff, I want it's
, it's my favorite, and I boughtall this aftermarket to make it

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look, hopefully great, and soit's just, really just the love
of the plane well, I'm proud ofyou for actually starting it
with.

A lot of times, a lot of modelers, and myself
included, will have this thingthat they've always wanted to do
, but they never get around todoing it, for whatever reason.
Oh, I need to get better, orwhatever, and I admire the fact
that you leapt in with both feetand said I really like this,

(01:09:20):
this I want to have, andtherefore I'm going to go build
it.

Yeah, yeah, I, I've really just it's,
it's been a, it's always been aone of my favorite planes.
I love this, the look of it.
You know it's Kelly Johnson.
You know I'm a big fan there.
You know books on that, uh,skunk works and so forth.
You know the the Cadillac tailfins were modeled after the P38.

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There is just so much historythat you know, just not even
associated with the warfare partof it that ties in with that
P38.
And it's just a special planeand I I just, uh, I love it.

Mike (01:10:00):
I understand Any other projects on the bench besides
the P-38?
.

Well, the SR-71 that I'm working on
too, and then that I've juststarted.

Mike (01:10:12):
What did you just finish?
I was thinking there was ascience fiction, something you
were doing.

Well, I finished both of the
ornithopters from Dune.
Yeah, because I am just anabsolute huge Dune fan.
I've read all eight books ofthe main stuff and then some of
the others.
I've always been a huge Dunefan.

So what did you think of the movies, the current
, the?

last one, I love them, I really do.
The current, the last one, I Ilove them.
I I really do.
I think they did a great job.
You know, depicting you, the,what goes on with the, the
characters, yeah, um, I it's.
These movies are are uniquefrom some of the others.
They're they're not focusing onsome of the other things like

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the spacers guild and and soforth.
They, they're focusing more onthe characters and I'm good with
that.
I enjoy that and I think thevisuals on it are just amazing.
So, yeah, that's why I had toget those.
I had to have thoseOrnithopters.
So, as soon as I pre-orderedthose, both the Atreides and the
Harkonnen and you'll definitelysee the Harkonnen one in

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nationals and I'm hoping, if Ican get some replacement clear
pieces that I buggered up, thatI'll bring the Atreides one as
well.

Well good, I'm looking forward to seeing those
in person.

Mike (01:11:38):
Dave, what have you been doing?

Well caring for my aged mother mostly, which I'm
not complaining about at all.
A woman deserves every bit ofmy attention.
But I have been getting themodeling done.
We're coming up on thenationals and I have a group
build part of a group buildproject for the Nationals.

(01:12:03):
So I am laser focused when Iget modeling time on those.
Those are two F8F Bearcats.
I have a third one, that's aFrench one, that I kind of threw
in as well, but my F8Fs are inglossy blue.
My F8Fs are in glossy blue andI anticipate decaling this

(01:12:27):
weekend and being done withdecaling this weekend, and if so
, then it looks like I'm goingto make it.
These things might beoff-gassing as we're riding in
the car to Hampton, but they'regoing to be done.
There's no reason, as close asI am, for them not to be done.

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And that's pretty much all themodeling I've been doing because
I've been, like I said, Ihaven't had a ton of time given
life events, but the time I'vebeen doing is laser focused on
getting these done.
And, by the way, mike, you wereworried about whether one small

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bottle of Mr Color Glossy Bluewould paint all three of these
Bearcats.
The answer is yes, with plentyto spare.
Oh good.

So, I like the Bearcats.

Mike (01:13:28):
I like I was counting on you screwing up.
Thank, you.

Thank you, mike.
These Hobby Boss kits you knowthey're the simplified kits and
yes, they're simplified butthey're not bad.
If you want to build a markingsmodel, a model that you're not
worried about putting all thepiping in the gear, well, and

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super detailing a cockpit andopening up the canopy and all of
that stuff, if you just want tobuild a Bearcat and put
markings on it and have it looklike a Bearcat, these are good
models and they're relativelyinexpensive and they're easy to
build, which I clearly need.

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So I'm happy with them.
That's it for me, mike.
How about?

Mike (01:14:21):
you.
It's been still a lot of workon the KV85s.

So where are we on the 85?

Mike (01:14:29):
I've been working on the toe points on the front and back
.
Now I mentioned someaftermarket Abra toe shackles.
That's what I'd bought and Iwas griping to you.
We were online one night and Icouldn't find the things.
Well, I finally found them,decided I didn't like them.
That's another aftermarketproblem.

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The extensions on the front ofthe hull seem to scale out
pretty right for the width butthey won't fit between the toe
shackles, the Abra cast brasstoe shackles.
So I was like I just didn'twant to get into making them
thinner because there was holesbehind them where you put the

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tab in the hole in the front ofthe hole.
If you made them narrower, allthat was going to show you had
to fill all that.
So I reverted back to the kittoe shackles, but they're not on
the model yet.
The points are the extensions.
Now on the front, I've goneback and used some styrene rod
to do the weld seams aroundthose and that was really

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straightforward on the frontbecause it was a flat plate that
they were welded to, but on therear it's a curved plate
they're welded to and they putthe bases for the extensions.
They molded those into the rearplate instead of having them
part of the extensions, likethey are on the front, and it
took me a while but I figuredout a way to do that.
The problem was there wasn't away to put the styrene rod weld

(01:15:58):
seam down because there wasreally no corner to put it in
and there was no clean way toreally no corner to put it in
and there was no clean way todescribe a groove to put it in,
because it was a fairly shallowthing you were dealing with.
So what I did was I kept puttingliquid cement on those factory
or kit molded weld seams andthen, once I got them pretty

(01:16:18):
soft, I just went back with adull exacto and textured those
out a little better to make themmatch the ones I'd done on the
front a little bit better.
But luckily, when it goes onthe scenic base it's climbing
the berm of the railroad tracksand so the back end's kind of
sinking down.

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You're not going to have a lotof visibility to them is what
I'm getting at.
The fronts are going to beobvious, they're going to be
almost pointing in the air, butthe ones on the back are kind of
going to be in the shadow ofthe overhang of the rear plate
of the armor.

Don't overstress on something that nobody's ever
going to see.

Mike (01:16:57):
I'm trying to think what's next.
I'm turning around and lookingat it.
How close are you to primer?
I'm still a ways away yet I Idid the spare tracks.
There's a little bit of photoetched on the spare tracks the
little cleats that those mountto right got those done.
I didn't talk about those lasttime.
So I've got the spare tracksdone.
So I'm working my way down thefenders.
The next thing I have to do isthe.

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There was four fuel cells, twoon each side, cylind cylindrical
ones on these KV-85s, and Iwant to have like three of them
empty, with just the strapsflapping loose on them Right,
and then one that's actually onthere.
So I've got some 3D print filesfor those that are pretty nice.
I'm going to print those againand see if I want to actually

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use those.
But quite a ways back Iactually filed all the kit
detail off those areas of thefenders to do something
different, so I got to do it oneway or the other.
Yeah, that shouldn't be too bad.

You don't want this build to last four years,
right?

Mike (01:17:55):
It already has.

Well, okay, I mean, why not?

Mike (01:17:58):
make it eight, another four years?
That's a good question.
How much longer has it gotbefore it's ready for primer?
Not the front part of thehull's done.
It's not that much.
I've still kind of got a hurdleto get over for the intakes on
the top of the engine deck.

Oh, you still haven't found the right mesh.

Mike (01:18:18):
Now that I understand the sizing of the mesh I was
ordering off eBay.
There's a batch of three sizesI'm going to order and one of
those ought to be the right one.
I still don't know if it'sgoing to be the larger or the
smaller, or the one in themiddle.
Pull the trigger, man, order it.
It's not much money, justhaven't done it yet.
Other than that, that's theonly thing I've been working on,

(01:18:41):
trying to push that one downthe road.
Man.
Yep, let's get it done.

Yeah, Be ready for nationals right.

That's right Next year.

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Well, they're still releasing new models,
hoping to see some of thesethings at the Nationals
available for purchase.
What have you seen announcedlately that is a favor or a yawn
for you, and I'm going kind ofweird this episode.
So be prepared, be prepared.

Kind of weird.

Kind of weird.

Like being sort of pregnant.

Like sort of well , nah, probably not like sort of
pregnant.
I'm going outside the box, I'mshaking things up.
So, mike, give me your firstfavorite yawn.

Mike (01:19:56):
Well, this one's from a company that we ordered
something from a long time ago.

Okay, chino Model in Japan, mm-hmm, remember, we
bought those TKS tracksuits yes,that I sent on to Evan because
there's no way I was going tobuild those.

Mike (01:20:14):
They have a new kit.
They've been doing a lot ofstuff of late and this is an
Imperial Japanese Army Type 8915-centimeter cannon.

Oh nice, I love the Japanese artillery.

Mike (01:20:30):
I've seen pictures of these with the battles they
fought with the Soviet Union inManchuria and they're out in the
far eastern part of Russia andSoviet Union.
And this one's kind of coolbecause I've got several
pictures of one of these and itwhets my whistle because it's an
interesting subject and I'vegot a figure of a Soviet soldier

(01:20:55):
looking over a captured Germanrifle and somebody just released
a figure of a Soviet officerlooking over a samurai sword.
I was thinking about a vignettewith a gun.
I've already got a smaller likea 75 millimeter gun Right Kind
of from this same period.

(01:21:16):
That's an older pit road kit.
It's a plastic kit.

Yeah, I know the kit.

Mike (01:21:23):
This one's interesting.
I could see me getting this one.
I'm going to have to look intoit.
Remember this one you had toorder it through that broker,
through that other website, theway they sold the stuff we got
them, but it was kind of weird.

Yes, it was a weird way to purchase.

Mike (01:21:39):
So that's my first fave.
That's what I got, Bob what doyou have?

I noticed that they've announced
model collect.
I've never bought anything fromthem that B21.

Yes, they have.

I I'm really interested in it, but I'm
wondering how accurate it willbe.

Right, since it could only possibly be based on
the first prototype that we'veseen.

Right, and I don't think anyone has
seen or at least nothing publiclooking from the back end of it,
Right, it seems like we've allseen the front of it and the top
of it and we haven't reallyseen what additional things
they've done to those engines tomake them a little bit more

(01:22:28):
stealthy.
And it's kind of like that kitthat you picked up for someone
recently, the original StealthFighter.

Oh, yeah, that I got for Wallace.
Yeah, to my everlasting shame.

It's, you know, like it ended up being
nothing close, Right, but thisis obviously going to be much
closer.
But I just I'm interested in it.
I'm waiting to see what it's.
I would love to see one inperson to have a good idea on it
.

I have the same feelings you do.
Well, my first one is going tobe the non-odd item.
A company called Temp ModelsT-E-M-P-M-O-D-E-L-S, which I've
never heard of before, hasannounced in 72nd scale an SU-34

(01:23:24):
.
This is the SU-27 derivativewith the side-by-side seating
that is used as a fighter bomberand has been used very heavily
in Ukraine and a fair number ofthem have been destroyed by
different methods by theUkrainians, and there's not

(01:23:46):
really a great SU-34 kit outthere.
So I like Soviet slash Russian72nd scale and a model of a kit
that there isn't really a goodmodel of already checks all the
boxes.
If I see one of these, I willpick it up almost assuredly,

(01:24:12):
mike next.

Mike (01:24:13):
I won't be getting this one, but somebody's finally done
it.
They have kitted the infamousTsar Tank.
Oh yes, kitted the infamousTsar.

Tank.

Mike (01:24:21):
Oh yes, v&k Productions.
The ad from ScaleMates readtruly massive, half a meter long
, so it's the big tricycle.

Right.

Mike (01:24:36):
The huge Ferris wheel looking spoked wheels on the
front and the gun sponsons andlike holy moly man.
So if it's a half a meter longit's got to be a third of a
meter tall, just about you wouldthink.
So it's a big model, yeah, andspindly Well.
The spokes look a little heavyon it, so yeah, they'd almost

(01:24:56):
have to be.
It's the product code's F3Dprefix, so I assume it's a 3D
print.
Right, there's a pretty coollittle one in 72nd scale that's
got photo-etched spoked wheelsthat I've seen built before.

Oh really, I have never seen that.

Mike (01:25:15):
It's a really interesting thing, really bizarre, but
finally somebody did it in 35thscale.
If ever one was wanted, they'vegot it now.

I want to see one of those built and on a table.

Man so many spokes.

Yes, oh, yeah, all right, bob next.

Another fave Edwards P40s.

Oh yes.

Man, they have got some great stuff
that has just recently come outthe whole plethora, the
different p40s, and they alllook amazing.
And that's another plane that Ireally like a lot.
Yeah, another one I built whenI was a kid.
Yeah, that I I might have to.
Oh gosh, yeah, I'm gonna be init.

(01:26:01):
If anyone's looking for me atnationals, I'll be in the Ed
Ward area.

Behind a stack of P40s.

Yes, looking for the Overtree stuff
and the White Box there you go.

I feel you, brother, I completely understand
.
I completely understand.
Well, my next one.
Now, again, this isn't one Ipersonally am going to buy, but
it's one that I think is cooland I'm happy for our friends
the car modelers.
There's a company called MiniRetro that is doing an MG Midget

(01:26:42):
in 24 scale.
That's cool.
I've got a huge soft spot forthe little sports cars of the
60s and 70s the mgs, the shelbycobras, the you know the little,
you know those little FiatRoadsters, triumph, spitfire,
triumph Spitfire.

Mike (01:27:04):
Bug-Eye Sprite.

Exactly the original minis.
Even the Karmann Ghiaconvertible, all of those, and
it's something that I think iscool.
I like it.
I really like the genre, themodel.
If I was going to build a carmodel, this might be the one
that I would end up building.

Mike (01:27:27):
So, mike, I've got.
This is my last one and it'sanother fave.
The yawns were probably all thewhite noise of 3D printed
accessories coming out in 35thScale.
Amen, as usual, gecko Modelshas announced a Mark I, Matilda

(01:27:48):
I in 35th scale which willobsolete my Vargas 3D printed
kit that I paid a lot of moneyfor.
It had a warped front on it, sowarped after I bought it, but
still not easy to fix Now.
I don't have to Now you don'thave to.

Still not easy to fix Now I don't have to.

Mike (01:28:02):
Now you don't have to.
I'd be real curious.
I think we hashed this out withEvan offline a while back.
The Gecko is kind of thephoenix from the ashes of Bronco
, right?
Something like that.
Yeah, so I don't know, I don'thave a Gecko models.
I don't think I'll have tocheck the stats.
Yes you do.
Oh yeah, I bought one atHeritage Con last year.

(01:28:22):
Yes, you do.

Yeah, another.

Mike (01:28:24):
British tank, An A11.
So I guess, depending on howclosely they subscribe to the
Bronco design paradigm, this kitcould have more parts than the
real tank it's possible.
It's possible.

But I'm happy to see it.
That's a good one.

Mike (01:28:44):
Yeah, this is a good one.
I'll I'll definitely I'll getthis one.

Even though I've got the 3d print, I'll still buy
this yeah, so you gotta, yougot a last one, bob, I've got a
yawn.

Okay, we, we, we welcome those coming
out with an F4E from the TurkishAir Force.

Okay.

F4s.
That's like the tiger ofairplanes, right, and I am
probably going to get massacredfor this, but I am not a big F4
fan.
I've always believed that allthe angles and things that you
had to add on to it means thatyou didn't design it right to

(01:29:26):
begin with.
So I just like oh, here'sanother.
You know, all you're doingbasically is taking the same kit
and putting Turkish decals init, basically, and that's.
I mean, how many F-4s do wereally need?
What?

Mike (01:29:44):
scale, is it?

It's 148th.

Mike (01:29:47):
I believe Okay.

Well, I mean, you remember the F-4 was America's
proof that if you strappedpowerful enough engines to it,
you could make a brick fly,brick fly, yep, yep.
Now I've got a soft spot myheart for the f4, but that's
neither here or there.
I understand your feelings.

(01:30:11):
This is another one, my finalone.
It's it's weird, and I'm notsaying I'm buying it.

Mike (01:30:20):
I'm just it's not with them.
Big-eyed anime, girly things.

No, it is not, but it's adjacent.

Mike (01:30:29):
It's a Pokemon.

No, aoshima has announced and it doesn't say the
scale, winnie the Pooh andPiglet figures and piglet
figures.
And you know we were talkingwith Harvey Lowe about Japan and
the fact that it is truly,really different.
And I think nothing illustratesthat more than a company like

(01:30:57):
Aoshima deciding to get poo andpiglet.

Does it come with a hundred acre wood?

You know it apparently does not, but you
can't have everything.

Mike (01:31:11):
So like I got to ask are are these the Disney basements
or are they the sketch art fromthe?
The original manuscripts.

They look kind of like the Disney Okay.
I mean they don't look as muchas like the AA Milne books, the
illustrations in the AA Milnebooks they look more like the
Disney poo and piglet.
Hmm.
So A little bother, yeah, ifthat bothers you, then don't get
it.
So A little bother, yeah, ifthat bothers you, then don't get
it.
But I'm just bringing to yourattention that there are Winnie

(01:31:48):
the Pooh and Piglet figuresbeing released in Japan as we
speak.

Mike (01:31:54):
There you go, folks.

Gentlemen, we are at the end of the episode and
neither of you all's modelingfluids are going to be any
surprise.
Well, it might be a surprise ifeither one of you tells me I
drank it and I hated it.
But other than that, how wasthe modeling?

fluid, bob, well, the bottle's empty.
Oh God, it was just a littlebit.

It wasn't full when we started, right?
No?

no, it was.
It was not, but that's okay, Ihave another bottle in the
cabinet.
It was of course it was.
It was great, and yeah, whatelse can you say?
It's Buffalo Trace.

Mike (01:32:46):
I have to go down to Frankfurt and get me some.

I was going to say they make it 20 miles from
where Mike lives and he can'tfind it anywhere.

Maybe that's what we need to bring to
the dojo is Buffalo Trace.

If you show up with a bottle of Buffalo Trace,
you get automatic entry to thedojo.

Wow.

Boom, I'm here to guarantee it, I'm trying to
think.

Mike (01:33:06):
Somebody gave us a big bottle last year.

Yes, they did.

Mike (01:33:09):
Was it Belsheim?
Did he give us that I?

don't remember, and that's a shame on me.
Maybe he did.
I think it was.
I think it was.

Mike (01:33:17):
The Old Forrester 1920 is my favorite out of their whiskey
row line.
It can be a little hot on thefront end but once you get past
it it's got a lot of flavor.

Now it does kick like a Kentucky mule.
You do not want to accidentallyover imbibe on it, because it
will hit you.

Mike (01:33:39):
Yeah, you know, have a full stomach or a little ice
there you go there, you go havea full stomach or a little ice?
There you go, there you go.
Well, how was yours?
I've had it so.

I was going to say I don't know about you, I
really enjoyed it Very good.
It's got a little more body fora Hefeweizen than I would have
otherwise thought, and I thinkthat's probably because it's got
both a little bit of rye and atouch of spelt in it, so that
gives it a little more body.

(01:34:08):
It's 5% alcohol, so as far asthe you know, it's just a
classic beer, middle of the road, alcohol wise, great taste,
eminently drinkable.

Mike (01:34:21):
I enjoyed the heck out of it now we're really at the end
of the episode and, uh, mike, doyou have a shout out?
I'm gonna give the customaryshout out to all the folks
who've elected to supportplastic model mojo through their

(01:34:42):
generosity.
We've been on a little uptickwith that lately and we really
appreciate it.
And again, we're still workingon that second phase of the
website.
So everything folks can do tohelp us out there is greatly
appreciated and we're stillworking on it.
But we've had several come upthrough Patreon and folks.
Thank you very much.
It's most appreciated, bob ohdefinitely.

Thank you very much.
It's most appreciated, bob.
Oh, definitely, I've got one.
Okay, to Kentucky, dave andMike, it's, it's.
You know you, you guys, everyweek, or every every, you know,
two weeks, you, you guysappreciate the people that
listen and the people that thathelp you with it.
I, you, people that listen andthe people that help you with it

(01:35:23):
, you guys rock.
You guys are doing such a greatjob and you know, I think I
speak for all of the rest of thelisteners saying thank you, you
guys rock Well much appreciatedand everybody's welcome and no
end in sight.

Mike (01:35:36):
Still, we're going to keep going until we can't go anymore
.

Well, you kind of stole my thunder because my
shout out was to the voice ofBob.
He has been a great friend ofthe show, everything from doing
our ad reads and ourannouncements and bumps and all
of that.
And hosting the podcastroundtables at Nats when we did
that, I was going to mentionthat and responsible for one of

(01:36:05):
the things that I treasure themost from a Nationals, which is
the caricatures that he had donefor all the podcasts and mine.
Bob, if you'll come back toWonderfest again, you can come
over to my house again and hangout by my pool and I will be

(01:36:25):
happy to show you where thatoriginal print is framed in my
house.
It has a place of honor.
So thank you to Bob Bear, thevoice of Bob, for all that
you've done for us.

Thank you, Thank you guys.
Yeah, that was the biggest kick, for me too, was getting those
done.

It was such a great surprise, I mean, and just
awesome.
And I got to learn that Iapparently podcast with
Christian Slater.

Mike (01:37:01):
Well, bob, thanks for joining us tonight, my pleasure.

We need to not wait quite so long to get you on
again.
This was really fun, this was ajoy.

Well, you guys have always got you
know great guests.
Really, you know not me, but Imean so many of the others.
You know Dr Strangebrush man.
He is just so amazing.
Every time, like you've saidmany times before, every time
you have him on, you learnsomething.

I learned something new.

Yeah, and that's the same way I have
always felt about it too, andthen everyone else that you get
on there.
It's always a greatconversation, so just my little
part of it, I love it.

Mike (01:37:42):
Well, thank you very much, Bob All right, Dave, as we
always say so many kids, solittle time We'll catch you guys
soon.

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