The Wheel of Accidental Wisdom with Ed Baroth: PMM Episode 137

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The Voice of Bob (Baier (00:11):
Welcome to Plastic Model Mojo, a
podcast dedicated to scalemodeling, as well as the news
and events around the hobby.
Let's join Mike and KentuckyDave as they strive to be
informative, entertaining andhelp you keep your modeling mojo
alive.

Mike (00:42):
All right, kentucky Dave.
We've been to the great whitenorth and returned safely.
Yes we have man.
What a trip.
I'm tired still.
Tomorrow will be a week sinceour departure date last week Yep
.

Kentucky Dave (00:57):
And I'm still tired.

Mike (00:59):
We stayed up too late.

We did, but it was well worth it.
It was well worth it.
It was well worth it.

Mike (01:06):
Well, we're talking about HeritageCon Mojovia and we had a
grand old time.

We did indeed.

Mike (01:14):
We got to see lots of people and hang out with friends
and support those Hamilton guys.

And got a lot of new experiences too.

Mike (01:23):
We did, we did.
Well, if that's part of yourmodel sphere, you can talk about
what it meant to you, butwhat's up in your model sphere?
Kentucky, dave.

That is a big part of my model sphere.
As you said, we just got backMonday from Hamilton.
I got to be the best three orfour days that I've had since
the Nationals, and in many waysit was equal to the Nationals.
Now, obviously, the contest invendors was only one day, but

(01:57):
still we got to spend a lot oftime with a lot of people whose
company I really enjoy and infact this time we got to spend
time with new people as well.
Dr Vitkus flew in from SaltLake City.
We picked him up in Detroit,Got to go to Michigan Toy

(02:21):
Soldier for the first time.

Mike (02:23):
That was great.
We met listener Steve Rui fromthe Minnesota Club flew up from
Florida.

And you know one of the great things talking
about my model sphere, one ofthe great things was how many
people came up to us at thecontest who were listeners, who
just wanted to say hi, many ofthem that we'd seen before, but
many of them that it was ourfirst time seeing them, talking

(02:54):
to them.
Sure, some had dm'd or emailedand you know we had that common
bond because we had communicatedbut some just wanted to stop
and tell us how much theyenjoyed the show and that was.
You know, you can't beat that,you can't beat that.
So I'm on the post-show high,just like when I come home from

(03:18):
the Nats, and I'm fired up.
I'm fired up here Also got somemodeling reading done and,
having seen the models at theshow, I don't know about you,
but I got inspired.
I mean there are a lot of reallygood modelers out there.

(03:42):
I mean it's amazing the overallquality of what's on the table
and the inventiveness and thetechniques.
I know you and I we took acouple of wooden cards that the
guys at Bases by Bill had madeup for us and put them out next

(04:05):
to some models that we really,really liked, and it was so hard
to choose because there was somuch good on the table.
So, in short, my would probablykill me, but I die a happy man

(04:30):
because that's that's what Iwant out of my model sphere.
How about?

Mike (04:34):
you?
Well, probably all that and abag of chips.
Man, it was a good trip.
I think I enjoyed the fact thatthis year we went up to Detroit
on Friday and met Steve Hustad,mark Copeland and Steve Rui and
John Vickis there at the hotelthey had arranged for us.

Yep.

Mike (04:53):
And hung out.
There went to dinner, hung outa little more.

A really nice dinner.

Mike (04:59):
We did, and then we went to Michigan Toy Soldier the next
morning.
Took our time, slept in alittle bit.
Well, we went to breakfastfirst.

Yep.

Mike (05:07):
And then did that.
It was just a very casualdescent into the Heritage Con
host location there at theCanadian Warplane Heritage
Museum.
So for the record, if we makeit next year, we're probably
going to end up doing somethingsimilar.

Yes, yeah, doing something similar, yes, yeah.
I think that the way we did itthis year is an improvement on
what we've been doing previouslyand, yeah, that's the way I
want to do it again next year.

Mike (05:35):
Well, and we solidified some new support for the show.
We finally got to meet Kevinand Janelle from Kit Mash Face
to Face yes, that was fantastic.

She is such a sweet person.
I mean just so nice.
Yes, that was fantastic.
She is such a sweet person, Imean just so nice.

Mike (05:47):
Well, they're great.
And then Kevin came tobreakfast there on our departure
day.
I wasn't expecting him to showup and he walks in the door and
that was nice.
Got to see him right therebefore we left.
Yep, Got to spend some timewith him, Got to have a
conversation with him I've beenmeaning to have for a couple
three weeks now and excitedabout that so more on that later
, folks, yep.

That's my model sphere.

Mike (06:08):
I've been too tired to be too inspired.

I hear you, so obviously we're recording an
episode.
That means you should have amodeling fluid to hand.
What do you have?

Mike (06:23):
Well, folks may get a little confused because it's a
two for night, because weactually recorded our special
segment yesterday, ahead of this, and I was at Ed Barris'
request.
He wanted to call out themodeling fluids in our special
segment because he had chosenone.
So last night during therecording of that segment, which

(06:43):
folks will hear later, I wassampling some 40 Creek Niagara
whiskey and tonight it's HollerLager from Farm League Brewing.
So we'll touch on both of theseat the end and these were given
to me up at Heritage Con fromMr Steve Johnson, so appreciate
that.
More on that later.
What about you?
What do you got?

on that later.
What about you?
What do you got?
Well, coincidentally, I alsohave a modeling fluid.
That was provided in this caseby our friend Evan McCallum.
He brought me a four-pack ofBraumeister Brewing Company.
It's a variety pack and the oneI'm having tonight is called
Route 21.
It's a Marzen and this breweryis out of, of course, carlton

(07:31):
Place, ontario, canada.
So I've never had it.
Evan seems to like these, soI'll report back at the end.

Mike (07:41):
Oh crap, didn't get me any .

Well, I've got four cans.
Two of them might welltechnically be yours, of course.
Then again, you got the whiskey, so you know who's counting.

Mike (07:57):
That's true.
Who's counting?
I'm giving him a hard time.
Well, that's good.
Well, if that's your modelingfluid, let's just roll right
into the mailbag.
You got it.
We got quite a bit at least Ido on my side, and on the email
side of things, I got some aswell.
Up first from the email is fromDaniel Brewer and Daniel's from
Maryville, tennessee, which isjust outside Knoxville near the

(08:20):
Smoky Mountains.

I know exactly where it is.

Mike (08:23):
He says he remembers one of us mentioning what brand of
tweezers we use and he's on thehunt for the new set.
Can you make a recommendationon a good set of quality
tweezers?
Well, I don't know that I'verecommended a brand.
We've talked about this goshthree or four times over the
show the great cheap tool debatewe had with the late John

(08:43):
McIntyre from our club Right.
I guess the landscape's kind ofchanged.
Now there's some companies outthere within the model sphere
that are making some decenttools.
Now, if you want to go thatroute, I think you might look at
the Tank Craft titaniumtweezers.
They've got a couple of pairs.
They're only two styles acurved and an angled and a

(09:07):
straight.
Also, if I was picking uptweezers, I'd get those plus a
more flatter, wider, tip bluntset as well, because those can
always come in handy.
But I think what you'reremembering is I went to Cole
Palmer, and this is 25 years agoor more.

(09:27):
Cole Palmer is a laboratory andresearch supply company and if
you get on their website and puttweezers in the search bar,
you're going to be deluged withoptions of all kinds of things,
from titanium, stainless steel,carbon fiber, tip tweezers all
kinds, and they're going to beall over the price point.

(09:48):
I mean, most of them are goingto be probably north of $10,
because they're all pretty goodand that's the thing you know
good tweezers.
The points close together likethey're supposed to and they
tend to not be so soft that theyget bent and twisted, unless
you're using them for you know,to pry paint lids off Humbrel
paint tins or something Don'trecommend that Don't do that.

(10:10):
So Cole Palmer and I'll put thatin the show notes that's.
That's was a tweezer supplythat I used and I've still got
most of those.
I mean, I've had them for manyyears.
Children sometimes would raidmy tool drawer and a couple have
disappeared or gotten mangled.
But by and large all the onesthat have been in my tool

(10:30):
collection and have not sufferedthe fate of youthful hands are
still as good as the day Ibought them.

The only other thing I would recommend is a
couple of sets of reversetweezers the ones that you have
to press to open, cross-locktweezers, cross-lock that you
have to press to open instead ofpress to close.
Those are really good forholding small parts while you're
painting them.
But the big thing that Mike andI have talked about is the fact

(11:02):
that if you go and you seethese cheap tools, usually
having come out of China orVietnam or someplace, you know
they're yeah, sure, they're veryinexpensive, you know $2, $3,
but then you pick up four orfive pair and look at them and
no two of them do the jaws bothalign and close completely

(11:27):
together and you know that'sjust.
That's asking for trouble.

Mike (11:34):
Well, the next two are kind of related and I'll start
with the first one.
It's from Dr Paul Budzik andI'll preface this with the oh,
what was it?
That new scale, that scale warsthing we did last time?
Yeah, kind of put off and thenreally thought about it.
We've gotten a lot of feedbackwe did For our answers about
that.
So we appreciate all that.
We took a little extra time andthought about it.

(11:55):
And Paul agrees with me aboutnixing 35th scale.
He says it should have neverhappened.
I agree.
He says it should have neverhappened, I agree.
And he says all the scales upuntil that point essentially
were based off architecturalinch scales.

Right.

Mike (12:13):
We got a quarter inch to the foot, which is- 48th scale
48th scale or O gauge in modelrailroad, the 316th is S gauge.

Ed Baroth (12:23):
Right.

Mike (12:24):
And then 3 eighths to the foot, which is 32nd scale, which
is twice the 316th.

Yeah.

Mike (12:31):
So 135th makes no sense.
And he's got a little storyabout one of his best friends
and modeling mentors, agentleman named Oscar Newbert
who was the creator of Calscaleor created a pattern worker,
pattern master for Calscale andthey came out with that combat
series line of brass machineguns and mounts and ammo boxes

(12:51):
and you remember all those.
Oh yeah, and he was masteringthese in 32nd scale and Paul
says he tried to convince himthat was a mistake but he's dead
set on on 32nd, saying 135thwas a passing fad, saying all
serious military guys were in32nd or 54 millimeter, which was
the figure scale I mentionedlast time.

(13:12):
So pretty interesting and kindof also on this subject was mr
don cluff and he says there wasmentioned to me a panther being
the first 35th skill armor kitand he thinks that actually goes
to some of the early monogrammilitary kits like the half
tracks and the weasel.

Oh, that could be .
Well, I don't know which camefirst.
It's an ish.

Mike (13:35):
Ish, okay, they were targeted for three eighths scale
, which is three eighths inch,to the foot, which is 32nd scale
but technically, by the time itwas all said and done, they
ended up closer to 35th, whichthey claimed on their boxes
after about I don't know, 75,.
The old Mattel-branded,sub-branded boxes and later,

(13:58):
prior to that, the boxes fromthe late 50s and 60s, had no
scale on them.
So that's why I'm saying it'sish.
They didn't.
They didn't market them as 35thscale until tamia had already
to me and a couple, three otherbrands had already been
marketing kits in 35th scale.
Tamia, nitto, oh, who else.

(14:18):
It's hilarious right we'realready established by the early
to mid 70s.
Peerlesserless, that's anotherone, peerless, peerless Max, and
so I guess on a technicality hecould be right.
But I think that was neverMonogram's intent to market
those as 35th scale.
They kind of backed into itbecause their models came out a
little undersized and seemed tomatch what was the scale du jour

(14:41):
in that genre at the time.

Well, I think it's safe to say that all of you
armor modelers out there, yourcollections are safe.
Whatever fork in the road thatgot taken, got taken.
So yeah, at this point, 35thscale is well established to the
point where we're now getting35th scale aircraft models

(15:04):
established to the point wherewe're now getting 35th scale
aircraft models.

Mike (15:06):
He says he'd love to go back and get rid of the whole
pile of these scales but wouldnever want to go and do the same
with the kits in those scales.
Yeah, he says he's got an oldRevell T-34 and 140th scale
sitting on his desk, and fondmemories are worth something.
Yes, they are.
So there you go, appreciatethose.
Those were good.
The voice of Bob.

Ah, we got to see Mr Bear again.
I don't know when it's going tobe, hopefully.
I don't know.
Maybe you come up to answer toWonderfest.

Mike (15:38):
Yeah, well, if he's at Wonderfest you can see him.
I won't get to, let us know,bob.
Well, he was commenting on ourorganizational comments in the
last episode and he kind of doeswhat I, I do, I, I don't.
I.
It's especially true with my,like dropper bottle paints.
I try to group them in similarcolors, like these are my greens

(15:58):
, these are my grays, reds,blues, etc.
And it kind of limits theamount of search you got to do
to find them Right.
So that's an approach.
And if he was going to snap hisfingers and redo the scales, he
would get rid of everything notdivisible by five Says we got 10

(16:20):
fingers.
We're naturally decimal basedor base 10 beings.
Well then, why five, bob?
Why aren't our scales the same?
So tanks and aircraft can be130th or 140th.
Figures can be as big asone-fifth and, dave, your one
true scale can be 170th or 175th.
You might think I'm crazy.
Ah, we don't think you're crazy.

(16:41):
Bob cars can be Bob Cars can be120th or 125th, and ships are
already doing it.
We got 350th and 700th Rightand 100.
So ships are kind of unaffected.
So there's Bob's suggestion andthis is before HeritageCon,
which he told us to enjoy anddrive safe, beep, beep.
Yeah, I see what you did there,bob.

(17:02):
That's a day tripper by theBeatles.

Yeah, I was going to say, even I got that one.

Mike (17:09):
So he makes the musical reference this time All right.
Next from Yorkton, Saskatchewan, Will Woods.
He returned to the hobby in2016.
He's written several timesbefore, but he got back into the
hobby in 2016.
He's been amazed by how muchthe hobby has been improved.
He's used numerous channels towatch and learn for new kits,
new products, techniques, Met aton of new friends in the scale

(17:32):
modeling world, and all this hasassisted in his own progress in
this hobby and he felt he owedsomething back.
So Will Woods has started aYouTube channel called
Timberwoods Scale Models.
Oh, that's cute.
And he told his 10-year-oldgranddaughter and had her
cracked up to tears that her60-plus-year-old closer to 70,

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grandfather would be doing aYouTube channel.
Why not, Like all the kids,that's?

right.
Like all the kids, they're allon TikTok anyway.

Mike (18:02):
You know he has same concerns like when we started
the podcast how much, how deepit's going to cut into our
modeling time.

Right.

Mike (18:09):
So far, not so much.
We've figured it out, Dave, Ithink.

Yeah, no, it's actually helped.
It's motivated my building,there's no question.

Mike (18:19):
But he's got an interesting anecdote here, kind
of when you're doing a video oreven when we're doing this, it's
you and me, but you know,essentially we're kind of
talking into the ether right,and he lost a brother in 2020
and someone who'd looked up toand they'd gone down similar
career paths and both had apassion for scale modeling and
model railroading and aircraftand stuff and they'd spend

(18:40):
countless hours talking abouttheir projects and visiting
shops et cetera.
And he says doing this channelseems to be a channel to feel
like he's talking to his brotherand keeping the flame burning
and he hopes to see this growand keep getting better.
So Timberwoods Scale Models andwe will put that in the show
notes and help that along alittle bit.

Absolutely.

Mike (19:04):
Well, bruce Binkston has written in again thanking me for
getting his last name correct,so it's almost like I'm Swedish.
Well, he wanted to say that.
Well, he showed us this model awhile back.
He put it on the dojo In factit was a Wingnut Wings Junkers
D1 diorama Then he displayed itwith the German pillbox field

(19:25):
cap that his grandfather broughtback from World War I.
Yeah, and that model won theaircraft category for fine scale
model of Build a Model Month,oh nice.
So it's going to be featured inthe May-June issue.
That's cool.
Well, congratulations.
This is the first contest he'sentered since 1971.

That's cool.
Well, congratulations.
This is the first contest he'sentered since 1971.
You know, speaking of finescale, those guys were at
Heritage Con and I meant to stopby and talk with them because I
know you and I had a real niceconversation at MMSI and I meant
to stop by and talk to them andgosh, it was just such a

(20:05):
whirlwind.

Mike (20:07):
We didn't get a whole lot of content generated at that
show.
I don't know we were having toomuch fun.
We were.
It's a short one and it's toobig to not be busy the whole
time you're there.

It was fun.

Mike (20:19):
We'll figure that out Sure Up.
Next from the greater Seattlearea Tim Nelson.

Too tall.
Tim.

Mike (20:26):
That's right, or?

just right Tim.

Mike (20:29):
Well, tim appreciates our comments about focusing on
finishing and closing projectsthis year and Tim's personal
theory is that the biggestobstacle to finishing is fear of
failure.
I agree.
I agree We've all been throughexciting and relaxing process of
planning a project, startingthe build, getting it well
underway, then realizing.
The final steps are make orbreak in terms of realizing the

(20:50):
original vision.
So, once again, we put it asideuntil we quote unquote get
better.

Yep.

Mike (20:59):
What's your plan for getting better?
Getting better is not justpracticing all the skills that
go into a build, but it's themental mojo.
I like that, the mental mojo ofaccepting the possibility of
screwing it up in the final push.

Yeah.

Mike (21:12):
The upside is the possibility of fun and
satisfaction and growth.
So damn the torpedoes fullspeed ahead.
Ps Still waiting on those.
What's your plan for gettingbetter royalty checks?

Checks in the mail.
You just keep a good eye out onit.
Check your mailbox every day.

Mike (21:31):
I thought we'd been paying that in beers and bourbons in
the National Convention Dojo.

Yeah, well, that's true.
That's true.
Mr Nelson has always beenwelcome there.
We might need to look at thatcontract.

Mike (21:42):
Dave, yeah, okay, oh, our friend Mark D duramus, also from
that area.
Yes, friends of mr nelson paintstorage, he's got a lot of
model master black lid stuff ohgosh, yes and he puts a
three-quarter inch round labelon the tops of all those jars.
He prints the color and thenumber on that label.

Yep.

Mike (22:05):
So I can find it east.
But you know, if you've got awhole drawer full of black
blizzards, white labels yes, yougot to read them all.

I did the same thing.
I've got a whole drawer of oldModel Master and I started
putting labels on them andwriting what it was

(22:44):
no-transcript.

Mike (22:48):
Well, he could take Bob's suggestion and group them
according to color and kind ofsubdivide them out and that
would make it a little easier.

Hey, if I ever get to that level of
organization, you probably needto call the coroner because I've
died, because if I can get allof my paints in one, organized
in one place, that alone wouldbe a miracle.

Mike (23:12):
Well, steve Burke, told from Covina California, gives us
a quick hit saying well, inresponse to my life chatter in
the last episode, he likes thelife chatter, along with the
model talk so don't change athing.
So well, good, that's the plan.
We're going to change somestuff this year, but talk so
don't change a thing.
So well, good, that's the plan.
We're going to change somestuff this year, but that's not
going to change.
Yeah, they'll always be that.
Yeah, well.
Finally, on the email side ofthings and I do want to make a

(23:35):
note about this particular emailbecause it was submitted
through our give us yourfeedback link and I'll get to
that when we close out thissegment.
But we appreciate the listener,mr Joseph Bridges, for finding
that in the show notes and beingthe first person to use that
avenue to communicate with us.
So thanks for that and thanksfor being a listener.

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And he sends us a show topicsuggestion, which I always keep
close to the vest.
But he's making a new Airfix72nd scale Typhoon.
All right, good choice, basicin many ways, but he's having
fun.
That's what it's all about,joseph.
It's a good choice, solid kit.
Well, Dave, that is the email.

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The DMs have been rolling in.
I've been seeing them, yes theyhave.

Again I'm to the point where I'm weeding and
selecting, and this time therewere a lot of the see you at
Heritage Con.
You know safe trip type stuff.

Mike (24:34):
We already touched on that .

Exactly.
Listener Chris Wesley fromDetroit heard that we were going
up through Detroit and herecommended a hobby shop called
Prop Shop in Detroit.
Heard that we were going upthrough Detroit and he
recommended a hobby shop calledProp Shop in Detroit, michigan.
That he said isn't too far fromMichigan Toy Soldier.
Now our timetable didn't allowus to get there this year but

(25:01):
definitely going to put it onthe schedule.
If we go assuming we do what wedid this year and go up through
Detroit and pick up our friendsand meet the Minnesota boys,
we'll definitely check it out.

Mike (25:17):
Yeah, especially the open before 11.

Yeah, really yeah , that's right.

Mike (25:21):
It's about the only way it's going to work.
Yeah, yeah, really yeah that'sright.

It's about the only way it's going to work.
Yeah, Listener Rod Kuntzcontacted us to remind us that
the Aviology Japanese tailcoatdecals were available.
Also wanted to know if we had acoupon code for them, which we
didn't, but I wish we had Saveus some money.

(25:44):
Yeah, we should have thought ofthat, but it did remind me to
go ahead and order those decals.
So thank you, Rod, because theworst thing in the world would
be to have those thingsreprinted, and by the time I
remembered that they were out togo get them, they were gone
because there would be another15 years before they were
reprinted again.

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The next two are kind of related.
Dave Morris reached out to sayhe was going to hope to see us
in Hamilton because he was goingto Heritage Con and we did yes,
and he promised that therewould be no peanut butter
packets or peanut butter whiskeyor peanut butter jokes, because

(26:25):
he says the peanut butter jokeis dead.
Our next contact, our nextlistener, disagrees because
Christian O'Day sent me a linkto an Australian advertisement
for peanut butter whiskey.
That is really, really funny.

(26:47):
Australian advertising is great.
I love it and this is a good ad.
I'll send the link to Mike, andwe'll put it in the show notes.
It's worth watching.
So the peanut butter joke maynot be dead.
May not be dead.

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Martin Piatta, the Seattle showguy, the Seattle IPMS guy, who
we talked with about the Seattleshow coming up after we did the
show spotlight.
He DMed me to say of coursethis happens to everybody we
interview After we do it.
Then they remember one thingthey meant to say that they
forgot to mention.
Well, he forgot to mention howgood a big raffle that they had

(27:31):
at their show.
So another reason to go to theSeattle show big raffle.
Warren Dickinson, our first onein Kentucky and they are doing

(28:12):
South Union, Shaker Village,bourbon.
So I'm going to have to.
Next time we're going to seeWarren, I'm going to have to get
him to bring a bottle of that.

Mike (28:26):
Warren, I'm going to have to get him to bring a bottle of
that, because I would like tosample a Is this the same Shaker
Village that's down inHarrodsburg.

I don't know if this is the same one or another
one Bardstown down.
That way it's called SouthUnion Shaker Village.
So, warren, you'll have toreach back out to us.
But the idea of a distillery,all of whose profits are going
to apparently be rolled backinto the museum and preserving

(28:56):
the community kind ofinteresting and interested to
see what they produce as abourbon.
So, warren, when you hear this,reach out and give us some more
information.
Is that all?

Mike (29:08):
you got.
That's it.
Well, folks, if you want towrite into the show, we now have
three avenues through which youcan do that.
The email is plasticmodelmojoat gmailcom, or you can direct
message via Facebook's messengersystem.
I usually take the emails.
Dave handles the DMs, as you'veseen here.
But we've got a third one now.
It's called Give Us yourFeedback.

(29:29):
It's a link in the show noteswhere you can write or do an
audio recorded message there andwe might do something with
those in the future if thatbecomes a thing with folks.
This started with the show notesin the last model show,
spotlight, and it's going to bein the show notes going forward.

(29:50):
Now you're going to go back inthe old ones.
It's not going to be there, butit will be in the show notes
going forward.
I think I might have no way toget in all the old ones too, but
it's going to be in the shownotes going forward.
If you want to use that as wellto give us a feedback link, you
can do that as well.
So there's three ways to getthere and we appreciate it.
It's one of our favoritesegments.

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We love the feedback, we lovethe questions, we love the back
of the questions and suggestionsthat we had gotten.

So we need to replenish the wheel.
So, in addition tocommunicating with us generally
about all sorts of stuff, if youthink of wheel questions after
you listen to the segment thistime, please send in new wheel
questions, because we'll bedoing this segment again.

Mike (30:49):
Yep, probably one more time this year.
And you know I was thinking,dave, we should raise the stakes
.

Uh-oh.

Mike (30:55):
I don't know how I got some ideas.

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Also, if you have a modelingfriend who isn't listening to
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We continue to grow.
In fact, we've seen a realsurge lately in growth, and the
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Mike (32:03):
Well, the Give Us the Feedback link is not the only
link in the show notes, folks.
We also now have a Rate theShow link as well, and there you
can go on and leave a commentand rate the stars if you will,
and we'd appreciate that, justlike Dave said, and this is a
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to do that.
So we're excited to get thatgoing too.

(32:25):
Yeah, in addition to that,please support the other
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You can do that by going towwwmodelpodcastcom.
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It's a consortium website setup with the help of Stuart Clark
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(32:45):
check them all out.
We saw Stu at Heritage Con yes,we did, and we learned his
wife's coming home Yep, goodnews After a long stint, and
Stu's looking pretty good thesedays too.

So good to see him.
Yes, he's lost a little weight.
He's looking healthy.

Mike (33:07):
Well, in addition to podcast, Dave, we got our blog
and YouTube friends out thereand we saw a couple of them at
Heritage Con for sure.
Yes, we did Mr Chris Wallace,model airplane maker, our host
extraordinaire for arranging ouraccommodations in Hamilton.
We thought he couldn't do anybetter, but he did.

The only way it gets better is next year, if
we're sleeping in the museum.
We said that last year.
Yeah, I know.

Mike (33:29):
But we managed to cut the distance in half.
I know I can't wait.
And in the modeling fluid, youmentioned Evan McCallum
Panzermeister36.
Great YouTube channel, and he'sgrowing, but not fast enough.
I think you got something tosay there, Dave.

Yes, listen, we got to see Evan.
We got to both see Evan and hislovely fiance.
Evan, as you know, has aYouTube channel Panzermeister36.
Evan and his lovely bride haveset a date for their wedding in
late October October and Evancurrently stands at, I think,

(34:06):
82,500 subscribers somethinglike that.
And what I would love to seeour community do is everybody
you and then everybody you knowfamily, friends find and
subscribe to Evan's YouTubechannel, because I think it

(34:29):
would be really, really cool ifwe got Evan to 100,000
subscribers by the time he getsmarried in October.
Now, that's going to take a bigpush, but I'm confident we can
do it.
If every listener goes out andgets four people to subscribe to

(34:52):
Evan's channel, it's free.
All you got to do is go onYouTube, find the channel and
click on the subscribe button.
I want to get him to a hundredthousand.
I want to see him get thatsilver plaque from YouTube, and
we want to find out what happenswhen, besides the silver plaque
, what happens when you get to100,000 subscribers on YouTube,

(35:15):
and that would be a nice weddinggift for Evan.
So let's see if we can do that.

Mike (35:22):
In addition to Evan we've also got Stephen Lee SpruPi with
Frets Long and short form blog.
Always got something good tosay, Mostly 70 second scale, His
latest blog post that he postedon the dojo was actually on
model railroading.

It was really cool.

Mike (35:39):
And we got Jeff Groves, the Inch High Guy, all things 70
second scale.
You're going to check outJeff's blog and we're going to
have him on the show here,hopefully in the not too distant
future.
Right, we got something in mindfor Jeff.
And then, finally, dr PaulBudzik Scale Model Workshop on
YouTube and over on Patreon andlots of good stuff there as well

(35:59):
.
So check out all this stuff,folks.

Check out all this stuff, folks.
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Mike (37:27):
Well, Dave, it's been a long time coming, but we finally
got back to the Wheel ofAccidental Wisdom.
Yes, we did, and our old friendEd Barath is joining us in
third chair for this installmentof the Wheel of Accidental
Wisdom and hopefully folks canget some nuggets of well, wisdom
and inspiration and usefulinformation from this.

Yes, and hopefully entertainment along
the way.

Mike (37:54):
Well, Dave, it's time for the Wheel of Accidental Wisdom
again.
Finally, we got enoughquestions to pull this off.

Yep.

Mike (38:07):
And we've got a recurring guest, Mr Ed Barath, a guy who's
such a baseball fan he followedthe Dodgers from Brooklyn all
the way out to Los Angeles.

Now that's what you call dedication, and it's
finally paying off, right, ed?

Ed Baroth (38:18):
It's an acquired taste.

Mike (38:20):
I hear you Well, Ed, how you been.

Ed Baroth (38:23):
I have been fine.
My modeling stuff has been offthe charts the last couple of
months.

Mike (38:28):
That's fantastic to hear Well that's good to hear Before
we get into this little game.
We got here at this wheel.
We know some folks over in theUK reached out to you recently
to come to their club meeting,somehow via electronic magic, I
guess to offer some insight ontosomething you've been doing.
And why don't you tell us aboutthat and how all that came to
be?

Ed Baroth (38:50):
Well, again, it's your fault.
It's always our fault.
It's your fault.
I posted a picture of my EdwardWildcat on the dojo and they
sent me an email saying wereally liked your plane.
Would you come and talk to us?
Who is they?
They being the North SomersetModel Society.

So they weren't offering you a plane ticket,
anything like that, right?

Ed Baroth (39:15):
No, not in these days .
And what's going on with theflights?
I don't think I would havetaken it.
You know, these days withflying the way it is, yeah, I
understand.
So, no, just a nice little zoomgoogle meet actually it was,
which I've never used before,but it was a google meet.
We arranged the time sevenhours difference thanks to

(39:36):
daylight savings time, whichthrew a monkey wrench into it at
the last minute.
But but yes, and I spoke Italked about, just in general,
about some techniques I use andhow I get, and, I'll be honest
with you, I threw in some of thestuff from my seminar about
modeling.

I would have thought you would have done that
.

Ed Baroth (39:56):
Yes about.
You know, don't make a modelbetter than it needs to be.
You know, know how close youare and know where the model's
going to go when it's done, andthat kind of thing.
And we had a lovely chat.
I started off drinking waterand then they had a break and I
figured I better come back, andso I had a nice little gin and
tonic with them.
You know, just to be fair.

Well, that's fantastic.
So no technical glitches, nodifficulty in actually doing the
presentation from a technicalstandpoint.

Ed Baroth (40:29):
Well, not from my point of view, but they did.
There's always computer trouble.
I think they were supposed torecord it and something happened
and then he didn't and whathave you.
But yeah, we have the usualsnags and what have you, but it
didn't stop us and we went on.
Literally, I would think wewent on for an hour and a half.
Wow, that's fantastic.
And so I got some good feedbackfrom them and we're buddies now

(40:52):
.

That's fantastic.

Mike (40:54):
That's what it's all about .

Now I'm going to ask you the next question.
If there are other clubs outthere who are listening to this,
clubs that might be.
You know clubs sometimesstruggle to find presentations
to do at their meetings.
There's only so much you canget from club members.
Are you willing to?
If another club reaches out toyou, are you willing to do the

(41:21):
presentation for other clubs?

Ed Baroth (41:23):
Of course, absolutely .
Do the presentation for otherclubs?
Of course, absolutely.
And obviously each club wouldbe different on what they want
to focus on.
Sure, like I've said, sincewhen does a New Yorker not want
to talk to people?
And this is what I do as a solosystem ambassador anyway.
I mean, I go and talk, so sureI would love to, and I think it

(41:43):
just brings out the best in theclub.

Well, good, any club members, particularly club
officers of local IPMS or evennon-IPMS or AMPS chapters out
there, if you're strugglinglooking for a presentation and a
presenter?
You heard it here.
He said he'd do it.

Ed Baroth (42:03):
No take-backs, no take back, no take backs and
obviously we're talking onplanes or 72nd armor.
There you go, or my two strongsuits.

He's Mr Versatile .
There you go, and he can eventalk to you about space.

Ed Baroth (42:22):
Yes, we can throw that in too.

Mike (42:24):
All right, all right.
Are we ready to talk aboutmodeling and modeling related
stuff?

Yes, let's let's get the wheel moving.

Mike (42:31):
All right.
Well, ed, you've heard thissegment and, to remind the
listeners, we've been solicitingtopics for gosh a lot longer
than I thought we're going tohave to this time Probably,
since I think my earlier ones goback to really maybe there's a
couple on here from March oflast year- yeah.
So that's a long time.
But anyway, we've got a fulldocket and we'll use the prize

(42:51):
wheel to randomize these andwe'll get through as many as we
can get to and hopefullysomebody gets little nuggets of
wisdom along the way.
Hence the title Wheel ofAccidental Wisdom, because that
stuff just kind of comes out andwe're just talking about the
question like we see it.
So you, ready Ed.

Ed Baroth (43:08):
No, I thought you were going to talk about how
about your modeling fluids?

Mike (43:12):
We can do that.
I've got some modeling fluid ifyou want to do that.
What are you drinking, Ed?

Ed Baroth (43:16):
I am drinking, since this is a special occasion.
I'm drinking 12-year-old scotch, oh man.

Mike (43:23):
Now we're in the same room .
Yeah, really.

Which 12-year-old scotch?
Called Glen Goyne oh yes, Iknow it well, that is a fine
scotch.
You have made a good selection,sir.
Yes.

Ed Baroth (43:40):
I don't do it much.
I don't do it when I domodeling so much, since I start
at nine and ten in the morning.

Oh, come on, that's the perfect time for a
scotch.

Mike (43:51):
Don't listen to him, man, you know better.

Ed Baroth (43:55):
I had to take advantage of the situation and
brought out the good stuff.
So, yes, good choice.

Good choice, dave .
You got one tonight.
I'm actually since we'rerecording this before you and I
record the rest of the episode.
There's a peek behind thecurtains for everybody.
I'm actually drinking a Coke.

Mike (44:17):
Well, I'm drinking a little 40 Creek Niagara whiskey
that was gifted to me up atHeritage Con.

Oh, I want to hear about that.

Mike (44:25):
I can't wait to hear about that at the end It'll be in the
regular segment.
We've all got something.
We've all got opinions andthings.
Let's get this ball rolling.
Folks Get that wheel spinning.
All right, what is going to befirst?
This one comes from listenerNorman Stubbe and it was rooted

(44:48):
in a diorama from our past guest, mr Bruce McRae, out of Las
Vegas, I think, where he residesnow.

Yeah.

Mike (44:57):
He built a diorama that used a sewing bobbin in it as a
discarded barbed wire spool andhe wants to know what is the
best appropriated object used ina model as either part of the
model or part of a diorama thatdidn't start out life?
Of course, yes, appropriatedobject, so it's not a model item

(45:18):
per se, but maybe it lookedlike something in miniature so
he used it anyway.

So, dave, you got one Because of what I build,
other than reusing very finewire that comes out of
electronics or stuff like that.
The best one I ever saw wasback when I first joined our
local club in 1982.
Back when I first joined ourlocal club in 1982, there was a

(45:46):
young modeler in the club whoand this is back before the ACAB
version of the M113 wasavailable and he wanted to do
that version with that littleCoppola turret type thing up on
the top.
Yeah, Coppola turret type thingup on the top.
Yeah, and he found at arestaurant one of those sauce

(46:08):
cups that was just the rightsize and shape, and so he got
two of them, cut the little lipsoff, glued them together and
then cut the slit for the gun.

Mike (46:20):
And it was perfect, it was just absolutely as if it had
been made for that purpose.
Ed, have you ever scroungedsomething and used it in one of
your models?

Ed Baroth (46:31):
well, what I use regularly is guitar wire okay
always for, for hoses and whathave you?
So, whatever you know, you needa, need a, some sort of hose or
some sort of not to mentionalso thin wire.
You want nine, nine thousandwire guitar string.
Use it whenever you, whenever Ineed it.

Mike (46:52):
I have a lifetime supply we might get to that in a minute
, but so help me out here someguitar string.
Well, there's basically well, Idon't know much about guitars
other than they make great musicmost of the time there's some
that are smooth strings andthere's some that are wrapped
strings.
Is that right?

Ed Baroth (47:11):
That's right.
Brass wrapped.

Mike (47:13):
So what are you using mostly?
Well, the brass wrapped.
Okay.

Ed Baroth (47:17):
And you can get them very small and they make perfect
air hoses.

The hoses with the corrugations in them For the
coil hoses.

Ed Baroth (47:26):
Yeah for the coil hoses.

Mike (47:28):
So is it on a core and you pull it off the core.

Ed Baroth (47:31):
No, it just comes, you just cut it.

Mike (47:34):
Okay, so it's like just a really tightly wound spring,
right, okay, well, crap, now Igot to go out and buy some cheap
guitar strings.

Ed Baroth (47:43):
There you go, I'll send you some.

Mike (47:46):
Okay, do you break them on occasion?
I would imagine.

Ed Baroth (47:50):
No, yes, I do.
And then every once in a while,you're supposed to change them,
and yes, so I have acoustic andI have steel.
They come in handy.
To mention antennas, they'reperfect.

Yeah, mike, how about you, buddy?

Mike (48:05):
I'm trying to think what's the craziest thing that I've
ever used.
It's an interesting question.
I know I've used dowel pins andsmall extension springs like
out of a typewriter.

Right.

Mike (48:19):
I remember, when I was a cooperative engineering student,
one of the labs where I wasworking, which was an IBM site
here in Lexington.
At the time this lab hadn'tbeen refitted in a while, so it
had bin after bin of springs andlinkages that were part of the
Selectric typewriters.

Right.

Mike (48:37):
I'm sure Ed knows what a Selectric typewriter is.
Well, everyone has sold NorthAmerica.
It was made just like two milesfrom where I'm sitting right
now and they're throwing a bunchof that stuff out.
So I just filled up a littletackle box with some of that
stuff, and it comes in handy allthe time because they're like
some tiny, tiny extensionsprings and pins and things like

(48:58):
that.
So those are the kind of thingsthat I've used from time to
time.
All right, let's keep going.
Well, Ed, this one's from you.
Oh gosh.

Well, that's cheating.

Ed Baroth (49:14):
This one's from me, really yeah.

He's going to know the correct answer already.

Mike (49:19):
There is no correct answer .
That's the joke.
He suggested topic or questionof Operate Nats.
What are we doing differentlysince the National Convention?
How has it changed our modelingsphere and that sort of thing
Since the National Convention?
Ed is there because we saw youthere.

Ed Baroth (49:38):
I have re-adopted 72nd Armor, yay, since the Nats.
I bought some there.
I was laboring under theillusion of working under the
old kits, yeah, which were bad,you know, and I do it just for
fooling around, and then Irealized there are some really

(49:59):
nice kits out there in 72nd andI learned that in Nationals and
I'm just about finishing mysecond one I did the IBG, the
Ukrainian anti the four.

Mike (50:12):
Oh yeah, the armored.

Ed Baroth (50:13):
Armored personnel carrier.
Yeah, finished that and itreally came out nice and that's
been on the dojo and that's wonan award at Model Zona.
And then I'm just aboutfinishing the Vespa A34 Comet B.

Mike (50:30):
Yeah, that was really nice too.

Ed Baroth (50:32):
So that has changed and no, that's the biggest
change.
And plus, I've also relaxed abit, knowing that I don't know
when I'm going to be at anationals again that I can drive
to, and so I'm not going tomake everything flawless from
three inches away.

Mike (50:51):
Ah, back to your.
Who you building the model for?
Who you building the model forPhilosophy?
Yeah, it makes sense.
Yeah, they're.
They're kind of out here in theEast for a while.

So it's probably a little tough for you, yeah yes
well, that's good, come on,it's only a 36 hour drive, you
can do it.
You've seen cannonball run?
Yeah, exactly, you just get domdeluise.
You rent an ambulance and it'sa reverse cannonball run well,
dave, what about you?

Mike (51:20):
since gnats, since.

Nats, and this is largely attributable to Steve
Hustad.
We spent a fair amount of timewith him there and then
subsequently, and he isassisting me in kind of doing
weathering a different way,doing weathering a different way

(51:44):
, and so the SAM that I'mcurrently working on is the
first time I'm applying thosetechniques and so far I'm liking
it.
And now I'm getting back intothat now that HeritageCon is
over, but basically trying to dosome different stuff

(52:06):
weather-wise with his help andguidance.
So how about you?

Ed Baroth (52:12):
By the way, I have to give a nod to Steve Husted too,
because he also helped me.
He primed me a bit at Nationalsregarding 72nd Armor.

Well, good, yeah.
Yeah, he is a zealous advocatefor the new 72nd Scale Armor
kits, and rightly so.

Mike (52:31):
So we can expect something new from him.
Not too long down the road he'sbeen working on something
that's in 72nd Scale Armor.
It's his most recent projecthe's trying to get to completion
, so really looking forward tothat he hasn't sent me a picture
yet.
We should all be prepared to be.
Inspired.

I'm sure.
So Mike how about you?

Mike (52:50):
Uh, I think I've finally gotten to the point where I'm
not buying so many kits.
I'm being really selective andnot grabbing everything I think
I might want, and I've reallybeen since Nats have been
working the book angle.
It's not any cheaper than Kits,that's for sure.

And definitely not any lighter.

Mike (53:14):
Definitely not any lighter .
But you know we've talked aboutit in past episodes, about the
books we bought this year andI've really gotten keen on
quality reference material sincethe national convention that's
what I've been doing.
Good, you buy a lot of books,Ed.

Ed Baroth (53:29):
I can't say I do.
To tell you the truth, I'lltake a lot of photographs from
the net and stuff, but I sort ofsparingly on the books I've got
.
I do have a lot already.
You know detail and scale andwalk arounds for almost all the
planes that I work on.

Mike (53:46):
Okay, well, that's probably good.
I mean, books are heavy andtake up a lot of space.

And you can't beat those detail and scale
books.
Yeah.

Ed Baroth (53:55):
And so I've got one for the Devastator that I
promise I'm going to get to oneof these days.
All right, I hear you.
I promise I'm going to get toone of these days.

All right.

Mike (54:06):
I hear you, ah, from Hector Colon up in Chicagoland.
All right, this is kind ofinteresting.

Yeah, we saw Hector at MMSI, didn't we?

Mike (54:17):
Yes, we did, because that was in his own backyard Exactly.
This will be interesting See ifwe each have an answer to this
one.
What kit is your albatross?
The one kit you've tried tobuild more than once, but it
ended up either on the shelf ofdoom or in the recycle bin,
thrown against the wall or flooroh his you mentioned devastator
.
His is the monogram devastatorin 48 scale.

(54:39):
He says he's tried to buildthis monstrosity multiple times
as a teenager and not once hashe been able to finish it.
Well, do you think about it?
I'll go first this time.
I haven't gone first yet you go.
Interesting, because mine is inthe same series and time frame
as his, probably even pre-teen.
I've struggled as a kid and I'venot tried it my my adult hobby

(55:03):
Maybe I need to slay the dragon,but trying to get Monogram's
TBM Avenger, for all thegimmicks to work on it.
When I got it done Because I'ma kid, right, and the one time I
did think I had it becausethose wings were like you had to
pull them out and turn them andthen fold, I can't remember.
It was fairly complex.
You know they broke off.

(55:24):
I broke something and it waslike, and you know, four bottles
of gloss blue paint later andit looks like crap.
I think if I had an albatrossit's going to, I'm going to dig
back in the years and that's theone I know.
I've probably attempted atleast twice, maybe three times.
Ed, you got an albatross.

Ed Baroth (55:44):
You know I don't have it that way.
I mean, obviously I grew up onthat same set of kits but I'm
smart enough to say I'm notgoing to touch them now.
Are you crazy?
I'm not going to build.
If anything, I would build itwith the neighbor's kid.
If I could get the neighbor'skid to come, I'd be to build.
I always loved the avenger withthose folding wings and

(56:07):
everything.
That was always my favorite.
And so now my albatross is Iwant to rebuild all of that set
in 30 seconds.
That is my albatross.
I want to redo all of them,that that whole set, but in 30
seconds.
I've done it in 48th.
I've done it in 72nd.
Not only do I did it in 48th, Idid it in 48th with folding

(56:31):
wings and not folding wings.
So I have the whole set of 13done, but I haven't done in 32nd
, I just did the Wildcat.
That was the first, and I'mthinking that next is going to
be the Dauntless, the 32ndDauntless Trumpeter.
Okay, that is my arbitrage.
I want to finish that whole setbefore I go.

That's a good collection to build what?

Mike (56:59):
about you.

Dave.
Well, the one that I can thinkof that comes immediately to
mind was the Airfix 72nd scaleHE-177.
I know I tried two or threetimes as a kid to build it and
something always went terriblywrong.

(57:20):
I do believe I finished one,but I mean it was kind of a
dog's breakfast of a model.
And then Revell came out withthis.
I really liked the HE-177.
And Revell came out a number ofyears ago with this really good
kit of it and I think I've gotPTSD because every time I touch

(57:47):
the kit, every time I pull itout, I start, I think, having
flashbacks and I've never builtthe Revell kit, even though
everyone says it's great.
So I'm going to have that on ashort list.
By the way, I am going toconquer that modeling mountain.

Mike (58:07):
Well, and how many of the 30 seconds you've gotten through
yet?

Ed Baroth (58:10):
Well, 30 years ago I did all the you know, the Revell
Wildcat and the HasegawaHellcat and Revell Corsair.
But that's older generation.
Yeah, for sure, the newgeneration, as I just finished
the Wildcat.
That's the first and I'mthinking of what to do for the
second.

Well, if you build that Tamiya Corsair in
30-second scale, I can guaranteeyou you're going to have a
really good time.

Ed Baroth (58:37):
And I do, and I have that one, and I have the
Birdcage, yeah, and for somereason, I don't know why, I'm
not jumping in to do them first.
Maybe I'm just saving them.

If you need any advice.
Chris Wallace, model airplanemaker.
He in fact we're DMing todayabout that particular kit and he
says he's built it once alreadyand he's got two more in the
stash.

Ed Baroth (59:04):
Which one?
The birdcage or the one the oned?
I think he's got one of each.
It's.
It's there.
It's on the list.
I'm saving myself a bit for letme practice a little on the on
the other kits.
Time is short ed gotta get,gotta get building I was gonna
just bring up a kit from the waypast that I sort of remember is

(59:26):
the last kit I built was that140th scale the sky raider with
all the crazy features.
You spin the prop and thewheels go up or something like
that, or you move the bomb, andit was just.
It was like the monogram kitson steroids and I remember

(59:46):
building that and just it didn'twork out well because those
models really aren't made to bemoving parts.

Mike (59:55):
Yeah, Polystyrene is not a good load-bearing material well
, this one's from a long-term,long-time contributor, michael
karnalka, and this was going todiverge a little bit from
modeling, actually, ed.
So uh, he, he wants to know.

(01:00:17):
He was wondering if we had aremote interest not related to
modeling or the hobby thatbrings us a great deal of
satisfaction when we take it up.
And he got into vintagematchbox cars.
He started playing with them asa kid.
There's a whole collector'sworld out there for that stuff.
He got into this looking atDiecast Collector Magazine from

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the UK.
So they're all into that.
And I'm going to start with youbecause I know you have a
pastime and it kind of came upin the guitar string comments.
Tell us about that that you doin addition to modeling.

Ed Baroth (01:00:50):
In addition to modeling, I'm a bass player in a
jazz band and I'm learningteaching myself guitar with a
friend on keyboard.
So I would say at least maybeonce a week I have a jam session
at a friend's garage, just likeI did when I was a teenager.

Mike (01:01:08):
Oh man, that sounds so fun .

Ed Baroth (01:01:12):
It is.
We have play dates.
It's fantastic.

Kentucky Dave (01:01:16):
You have play dates to play?

Ed Baroth (01:01:20):
Yes, In the friend's garage.
He's got a studio in his garage.
It's a couple of miles from myhouse.
We go there on a Sunday morning10 o'clock.
We're there until 3 o'clock.
There's modeling fluid.
It's just enjoyable as all hell.

Now do you all perform anywhere?

Ed Baroth (01:01:39):
No, Once in a while the jazz band performs at
Caltech or something like that,We've got links to Caltech or
local stuff, but not really.
Everybody's too busy and itjust isn't worth it anymore.

Gotcha.

Mike (01:01:54):
My father does something similar but he picks and grins
with a bunch of guys down inTennessee where I'm from.
He loves it.
I mean he's been playing alittle bit all his life but now
that he's retired that's areally big part of his life
getting to do that once a week.
And if folks don't know, allthe bump riffs for Plastic Model

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Mojo were done by Ed.
So, ed, that's been a hit andwe really appreciate it.
We thank you for thatcontribution to the effort.

Ed Baroth (01:02:22):
No, you have a legacy of my base.

Thank you very much.

Ed Baroth (01:02:26):
I was just going to say at some point I should send
you the link to our CD, a jazzCD that anyone can just download
and listen.

Oh, that's great.
Yeah, definitely, Dave.
What about you?
Do you know what the answer tothis question is?
No, I do not have well, unlessyou consider my library
tendencies a separate hobby.
I don't, Although my wife mightargue otherwise.

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I actually don't have anotherhobby.

Ed Baroth (01:03:01):
But your hobby is reading, don't deny that.
Well, but your hobby is reading, don't deny that.

Well, there is truth in that, but I don't have
a hobby that's not related tomodeling, a hobby I get so much
enjoyment out of I don't havethe need nor the time for
another one.
Now I know what Mike's answeris, I think.

Mike (01:03:25):
Well, the military was a thing for a while, but it's
gotten expensive enough thatit's kind of slowed down.
But I went to my.
Let's see, my youngest son hasbecome a rather savvy coin
collector.
That's an understatement.
Yeah, it is.

Ed Baroth (01:03:42):
Oh, we got to talk, hector, that's an understatement
?

Mike (01:03:45):
Yeah, it is.
Oh, we got to talk.
Well, we'll save that one forlater.
But anyway, I took him up toChicago this past summer, to the
American NumismaticsAssociation's World's Fair of
Money in Rosemont, there nearChicago, and helped nurture his
hobby a little bit.
Nurture his hobby a little bit.

(01:04:06):
Fortunately, or unfortunately,heritage Auctions was there in
force, previewing coins, ofcourse, in their next upcoming
auction and a lot of other stuffwhich happened to include a lot
of vintage baseball cards whichwas a hobby I enjoyed in the
early to mid-80s for a long time.
Unfortunately for my wallet,that one's kind of taken hold
again.
So I've kind of got back intobaseball cards from kind of

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before I don't know about 1975,all the way back into the
thirties.
So not cheap but enjoying it.
It can be expensive or asinexpensive as you want to make
it.
So I'm trying to to keep alittle control over myself.
But it's been fun.
I've got a collector's genefrom my mother and just needed
something to scratch the itchand that's.

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That's kind of helped it out.

Ed Baroth (01:04:49):
So Can I ask you a question?
What's the difference between acollector's itch and a
hoarder's itch?

About $2,000.

Mike (01:04:59):
I'm not buying anything and everything just to get it
what I've got's curated.
I'm not just anything andeverything just to get it what
I've got is curated.
I'm not just throwing it aroundeverywhere.
I don't know.
You could argue that maybethey're potentially closely
linked, but hopefully I don't godown the hoarder's road.

Ed Baroth (01:05:18):
I understand.
I'm just saying there's a smallline between the two of them.

Mike (01:05:28):
I don't disagree.
We got one from past guest,Jake McKee, and hopefully he's
going to be on here in anothermonth, in the coming month or so
.

Yeah, we got a lot of episodes to record man.

Mike (01:05:42):
Now this is a good one.
A new person is getting intothe hobby for the first time.
Beyond the basics buy apaintbrush, use xyz brand of
paint, start with easy kit, etc.
Etc.
What suggestion would you tellthem?
What tools would you recommendthat are non-standard hobby
fodder, that maybe they shouldpick up so you can kind of go
down either of those paths, orboth.

(01:06:03):
Dave, what do you got?

I can tell you what Now.
It's not necessarilynon-standard, but it's something
that if you told me I was goingto be stranded on a desert
island and I could only take afew modeling tools, this would

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be my number one.
This is the one I cannot livewithout, and that is the God
Hand Nipper.
You would not, and these thingsare not cheap.
They're made in Japan and youknow.
You're paying $50 plus for apair of parts.

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Nippers seems insane, and itseemed insane to me, and I did
not.
I used inferior nippers for thelongest time and dealt with the
results of using a less thantop quality tool, and once I got

(01:07:09):
the God hands, it changed.
It actually changed my modeling.
It made my modeling so muchbetter because of the fact that
there was so much less cleanupto do.
And that would be the one itemthat I would tell everybody, no

(01:07:30):
matter how new to modeling youare, go ahead, pull the trigger.
Yes, it hurts, but go buy them.

Ed Baroth (01:07:42):
Ed Amen.

Mike (01:07:45):
You must, you must have a pair.

Ed Baroth (01:07:47):
I do, I do and I broke down and I got it.
I agree.
The simple truth is there'sless cleanup of every part.
Exactly, when you think of thattime, it is easily worth the
extra money.
Yes, the time you save incleanup, it is easily worth the
extra money.
Yes, the time you save incleanup, which is nobody's

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favorite job, right, it's worththe extra money.
The tool that I sort of out of,that is besides the usual stuff
, is, I'll be honest with you Ican't build a model without Lego
.
I use Lego every time to makejigs, gotcha.

Mike (01:08:27):
Interesting.

Ed Baroth (01:08:29):
And there isn't, especially for airplanes.
Yeah, it's just so easy.
I want to make sure the wingsdo it the same height.
You know that kind of stuff.
What's easier than justbuilding it up with Lego?

Mike (01:08:43):
And I've got an instant jig.
I tell you, ed, it'sinteresting.
You said that because you knowwe just came back from
HeritageCon and one of the nicethings about this year's trip
was we had a friend from SaltLake, dr John Vickis, fly into
Detroit and meet us there onFriday before we went on into
Canada the next day, and he andanother gentleman in our little

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circle of modeling friends useLegos to build, essentially like
you're doing, jigs so they cantransit their models through the
airport and TSA screening andall that.

Ed Baroth (01:09:15):
I use them too.
Certainly, whenever I'm takingmy models to someplace, you know
, set them up with Lego, but Imean, I use it in the
construction too as well.

Mike (01:09:25):
Yeah, certainly, yeah, well, that's a good tip, that is
a good one.
Well, for me, I'm going to gowith the.
The advice line of this otherthan Legos and God hand nippers,
which I also have, the toolsare are pretty well understood.
But I would say, if you're justlearning, get out there, find

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somebody you like on YouTube andwatch and learn.
With one caveat your firstefforts are not going to look
like those YouTube rock starsthat are out there building
these amazing things.
They're just not it's easier, Ithink it's easier.
Youtube rock stars that are outthere building these amazing
things.
They're just not.
Yeah, you, uh, it's, it'seasier, I think it's easier.
We've got a lot of much betterkits than we had in the past.

(01:10:10):
We have much better finishingproducts, weathering products,
et cetera.
But to some degree, you have topay the ferryman.
Oh, yes, absolutely, there's noshortcut and be willing to learn
, because, right, there are noshortcuts.
Skills are learned and refinedand honed, and some of us get

(01:10:32):
there faster than others.
Some of us achieve things thatothers may not think they can do
.
But you got to put in the timeto some degree and don't expect
necessarily stellar things yourfirst time or two out.
Just it's like Edison's pile oflight bulbs that didn't work.
Right, that's right.

Ed Baroth (01:10:57):
And I also think you need to.
You have to pay your dues withinstructions.
You have to learn.
You know you cannot.
You have to learn to decode theinstructions right there.
There and the sequence.
There is a code, a secret code,a secret sequence to every
model and it takes experience tofigure that out and I think any

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newbie who starts with theinstructions and follows it to
the letter will sooner or laterfind themselves disappointed.

Yes, there is an art to reading instructions.
It isn't a science, it's an art.

Mike (01:11:38):
All right, let's get another one up.
Go go, adam Greenwald from theUnited Kingdom yes this is a fun
one, okay.
After recent incidents at thebench, I would like to ask what
is the furthest distance fromthe hobby bench you've ever

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found a lost part?

Ed Baroth (01:12:00):
oh god.

Mike (01:12:03):
I've got hang on, I'm not done there's a couple of paths
you could take here, oh god, andor the longest time interval
between losing a part andactually finding it.
Oh god, that's your god, yesyou got ed.
Sounds like he's ready.
Go Ed.

Ed Baroth (01:12:23):
I was working on the 172nd Ukrainian and I dropped a
wheel, and I dropped the wheelin front of me and I finally
found it about a dozen feet awayunder one of the tires of my
car, in the garage.
In the garage, and believe itor not, I dropped another one

(01:12:49):
and I found it about a dozenfeet in the opposite direction,
hidden someplace, and I was in afrenzy it's a long way.
I assume you build in the garageyes, I hope so, and I try like
hell to confine.
You know what I mean?
I think that's the whole thingabout a man cave.
You have to build a confinedspace.

(01:13:09):
You have to do something toconfine your modeling space as
much as possible to keep stufffrom launching all over the
place.

I think that's good.
I think that's absolutely true.
Go ahead, okay.
The longest distance wasprobably.
I found a modeling part that Ilost and could not find.
It was some small part to aJapanese IBG, the Japanese

(01:13:44):
version of the Ford truck, andit has, you know, those
teardrop-mounted headlights thatare mounted on the front.

Ed Baroth (01:13:53):
Oh, I hate teardrops.
Yes, oh that.

Well, I dropped one and I could not find it
anywhere in my model room, handsand knees sweeping up broom,
you know, did everything, couldnot find it, just went ahead and
finished the model without it.

(01:14:19):
The floor in my bedroom, whichis on another floor of the house
, way far away, from my modelroom.

Mike (01:14:29):
It was in your clothes or your hair or something.

I, I it, it had to be in my clothes or in my
hair.
And you know, and I I'velearned.
Now, of course, when you lose apart, one of the things you do
is you check your clothes, yes,and your pockets, and your belt
line?
Yeah, your shoes, and it clearlywas, but I never.

(01:14:55):
I just one day walked into thebedroom and it's like there was
a light shining on it.
It was as obvious as the day islong and it was right there,
and that was about three or fourmonths later.
So, yeah, it had to have beenin my clothes or my hair.

(01:15:16):
I didn't think of searching myhair.
That's a good point.

Mike (01:15:20):
Well, I bring that up because I've often had something
zing out of tweezers or pliersand end up in the forelock of my
hair oh really, yeah, it's likeright above my forehead less of
a problem over time.
Oh yeah, well, yeah, it is Ihad to take the shot.
I'm sorry.
Okay, I owe you one now.

(01:15:42):
It's gonna come hard.
I hear you and I deserve it.
Well, mine comes from the E16float plane.
I just finished.

Yeah.

Mike (01:15:52):
Now, I worked on that piecemeal for a number of years
and, if you remember, I've movedmy workbench since then, right?
Well, when I was working onthat kit, all the exhaust flares
that protrude out from underthe cowling on that kit are
individual pieces, right?
So there's like 14 of them, 14exhaust flares.

Which are just little stubs of plastic.

Mike (01:16:15):
Little stubs of plastic with a little bit of shape to
them.
I dropped one and lost it.
Couldn't find it anywhere, so Imade a little plaster plug mold
and did the old heat up somesprue and jammed in the plaster
cavity and made myself a new one, apart from a second kit.

Right.

Mike (01:16:33):
I don't know how long later it was.
It was probably a year north ofa year year, maybe two when I
moved my workbench 90 degrees toone of the other walls of the
basement and then was cleaningup the spot under my workbench
and what I used to clean up withand do my lost parts search
with, I have a draftsman's brush.
Yeah, ed, you know what I'mtalking about.

Ed Baroth (01:16:56):
Yes, I do.

Mike (01:16:57):
Really fine.
Horsehair brush yes, Used toget eraser bits off your
drawings Long time ago, right,oh God.
Yes, Well, that makes a greatpart sweeper.
Yes, they do.
And when I was cleaning up Iwas like, well, why don't you go
ahead and use this?
And you know, I found lots ofstuff, including that little
stinking piece of plastic.

(01:17:18):
So a long time yeah, over ayear.
Guaranteed, it was over a year.
So not a big distance, but itwas right under right under my
nose, but uh, but it tookforever to find it.
Oh, from IPMS Duneland, johnFluck.

Okay.

Mike (01:17:42):
You know he's been building for over 25 years and
knows we're in that sameballpark.

Yep.

Mike (01:17:50):
Ed too.
When Evan was on, he hadn'tbeen building 25 years.
He's barely 25 years old, butwe've certainly been building
that longer and longer.
What is the most influentialitem or thing that we have now?
That wasn't available when westarted, when we started
modeling?

influential.

Mike (01:18:08):
I guess you can take that several ways you can take it
however you want to take it.

That's what it's all about.
I'm gonna go out of the boxyou're gonna say the internet
that's damn sorry, let me.
Let me do that again Exactly,particularly, youtube.
Well, let me qualifyParticularly two parts of the
Internet YouTube and Internetmodel stores.

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Because when I started modeling, the only way you could get a
kit that your local hobby shopdidn't have is try and get them
to order it for you and,depending on their distributor
relationship, they might be ableto or might not.
That you combed through eachmonth or the squadron flyer sale

(01:19:05):
flyer which of course,everybody waited for with bated
breath.
So acquiring models is mucheasier, particularly aftermarket
, and decal sheet is so mucheasier than when I started.
Sheet is so much easier thanwhen I started and if it exists,

(01:19:31):
you can obtain it as long asyou're willing to pay the money.
One of the things about joininga local model club was learning
from the more experiencedbuilders and, depending on the
size of your model club andtheir interests, there was only
so much you could learn fromyour local modeling members, I

(01:19:52):
mean when you would go tocontests.
One of the things that used tobe much more popular than now at
local contests werepresentations, because that was
your one opportunity to learnfrom somebody who wasn't in your
local model club.

(01:20:12):
So you may pick up techniquesthat none of your local modelers
may know.
Now the world is your oyster.
You go on YouTube.
There are more modelingchannels than stars in the
heaven, and there are differentchannels who have different

(01:20:32):
approaches, all who favordifferent subjects.
It's so much easier to learnthe skills Now.
You still have to do them and,like you said, you've still got
to pay the ferryman his toll,but at least knowing what you're

(01:20:52):
supposed to be doing is so mucheasier than it used to be.

Mike (01:20:58):
What about you, Ed?
What do you think?

Ed Baroth (01:21:01):
Well, if Dave is going to take the big view of
the Internet, I'm going to gothe other way and take the real
small, teeny, hands-on view of alittle bit of nostalgia.
What's really different for mewhen I was starting out is the
airbrush, to be honest, andsuperglue.

Yep.

Ed Baroth (01:21:25):
You cannot model these days without super glue,
certainly you can't do any PEwithout it, and an airbrush I
mean it's second nature.
And those were certainly whenwe started.
We had no idea that theyexisted, and they did really for
us.
And now it is that and and theidea, to be honest, that the

(01:21:48):
kits themselves, the kidsthemselves, bear no resemblance
to the kits we built.
they, they don't, and, and Igive credit to the companies and
the engineers and all thosepeople who design and build
those suckers.
There is.
You know, if you're building amodel today, you have no concept
of what a lousy model is.

Right, go pick up a frog kit, build it and then
get back to me.
Yeah, yeah, oh.
And that's another reason I'mconvinced that modelers who
start out now are becomingbetter much quicker is because
the kits are engineered to gotogether, whereas in the past

(01:22:32):
they were engineered to kind offly in formation.
The parts were in the generalarea.

Ed Baroth (01:22:41):
Right, and I think the lack of frustration leads to
you concentrating and making abetter model.
Yes, I agree, if you're not, ifyou're not saddled by things
like fit and this, that andeverything, you not only can
make a model better, but thenyou want to make it better.
There are other things youthink of that you wouldn't have

(01:23:03):
thought of before if you were sodamn busy filling scenes.

Mike (01:23:06):
Right Yep, and getting parts to fit that really were
trying their best to not.

Yeah, all right, mike, your turn.

Mike (01:23:15):
I think just the economic and technological place we are
in today allows things to get tothe marketplace that there was
just no way to do it before.
And you know, you know we oftenjoke about the, the glut of a
3d printed materials out therefor folks, a lot of overlap,

(01:23:37):
just everybody seems to be doingit.
A lot of that becomes whitenoise if you're trying to pay
attention to all of it.
But it's just amazing howlittle effort and financial
investment it takes now to bringsomething really useful to
somebody to the marketplace.

Yeah, take a look at all the 3D printed track
companies.
Yeah, I mean, that's a lot.
They are way too numerous tocount.

Mike (01:24:03):
There's getting to be as many 3D printed radial engines.
Yes, Some of those things arejust stupid, crazy looking man.

Oh, they are works of art.
Who would?

Mike (01:24:14):
have thought Right, it just amazes me in our times
today what we have access to andI think that's it.
We just have access to so muchin our times today, what we have
access to, and I think that'sit, we just have access to so
much.
And the the financial,investment and the technical
technological hurdles folks,folks have to get over to bring
something they have a vestedinterest in to market, that that
bars really come down and we'reseeing things that 25, 30 years

(01:24:39):
ago would be no way wouldanybody even consider them,
because it was so hard andrequired so much work to
generate the master to cast themup or make the tooling or
whatever.
Oh yeah, it just was not viableto even think, consider it, and
I think today things havechanged a lot and it makes,

(01:24:59):
makes makes the hobby really,really fun right now.

It does.

Mike (01:25:10):
Ah, it's from our friend Tim Nelson in the Seattle area.
Too tall Tim, Just right.
Tim, Just right Tim.
He says we all have finite timeand some percentage of that time
can be devoted to modeling.
He believes that the biggestfactor in building a fine model
is the willingness and abilityto invest the time we talked
about that.
You got to pay the ferrymanTime devoted to fundamentals,

(01:25:30):
getting the small details right,addressing problems, fixing
mistakes, et cetera.
That said, we all want tocomplete projects and move on to
the next shiny kit.
So what are productivity tipsand hacks that folks use to save
time at the bench?
So what are productivity tipsand hacks that folks use to save
time at the bench?
For example, and notparticularly profound, he offers
two.
He says he tries to have twoparallel projects on the bench

(01:25:52):
at the same time with at leastsome common elements, to take
advantage of economy of scale inpainting in particular.
So I guess paint projects thathave similar paint schemes will
be using light colors, so you'renot having to swap your
airbrush out so much.
Right?
And Ed, to something you'refamiliar with he tries to use
some project managementtechniques to plan projects and

(01:26:14):
avoid shitting himself in thefoot, Because negative modeling
certainly is not going to helpyour productivity.

Yep.

Mike (01:26:22):
Well, Ed, you got any productivity hacks and tips.

Ed Baroth (01:26:26):
Productivity.
Again, it goes back to me toinstructions beforehand and
writing and understanding thesequence, and I also do what I
call the Noah's Ark of modeling.
I'll build two that are similar.
The last one I did a 32ndWildcat and a 48th Wildcat.

(01:26:57):
So there's that.
And in terms of productivity,it is important when you're
doing multiple projects toactually sit down and ask
yourself what are you doingtoday?
When you sit down at the bench,take a minute to say why am I
here?
What do I hope to accomplishtoday?
I want to do this on this kit,okay, and then you've got a goal
and that helps the productivityas opposed to sitting there and

(01:27:21):
wondering what you got to do.
That's the best I can give.

Mike (01:27:26):
Well, I mean, you sit there and you pick the wrong
thing and you screw up a buildsequence or things like that.
So that makes sense.
I do that.
I sit down and think, okay,what am I about to do and how am
I going to do it, and then getgoing on it.
And I think that's reallyimportant.
Ed Dave, what do you?
Got Productivity hacks?

This ought to be good Time management, Lack of or
lack of Organ?
Well, and it's companion.
These two things are relatedTime management and organization
.
Okay, I waste way too much time, I procrastinate, I'm

(01:28:10):
disorganized Again.
We talked in a previous episodeabout me trying to be better,
about putting at the end of eachsession, putting all my tools
back exactly where they go, sothat I don't come in and spend
15 minutes of a modeling sessionlooking for a tool that I need.

(01:28:33):
I'm terrible at it.
I'm trying to get better.
A companion to that is sheddingstuff that does not add value to
your day, your life, whatever,and the biggest one of those

(01:28:55):
things is your cell phone.
It is so easy to take five orten minutes that you could be
reading a reference book or youcould be looking at the
instructions for a model ifyou're not at the bench or doing
some research on the subjectyou're building or a detail you

(01:29:20):
need to get right, and insteadyou're doom-scrolling Twitter.
You're looking at just stupidstuff on your phone.
I can't delete Twitter from myphone.
I wish I could, because I thinkthat would give me back part of
my life.
And the one thing that againgoes back to time management the

(01:29:45):
one thing you, no matter howmuch money you have, you can't
buy more of, and that's time.
The minute that just passed isthe minute that you will never
get back.
So there are only so many ofthem left for each of us.
Use everyone as best you canwow, those are both pretty good

(01:30:09):
so you go come on, come on topit.

Mike (01:30:13):
time management.
It's an experience thing, as edhas alluded to, and it's it's,
I think, at the front end ofyour project, sitting down and
going through the instructionsand figuring out what makes
sense and what is just not goingto work, what is putting your
build at risk, like putting thelanding gear struts in the wings

(01:30:35):
before you put them on afuselage and having to carry
them with you through the restof the entire build Stuff like
that.
Right, that comes withexperience, knowing, knowing
where the pitfalls are and if Ithink, if you take some time to
figure those things out, you'regonna end up not breaking stuff.
You're not.
You're gonna end up notpainting yourself into a corner,

(01:30:55):
and you know, sometimes thosethings are just about
unrecoverable sometimes and Ithink sometimes a little time at
the front end can save you.
You know, minutes on the frontend can save you hours later on.

Yes, and fundamentally that's time
management.
Even though it may seem like amistake and we all make mistakes
actually learn from thatmistake.
Take a minute to go.

(01:31:31):
Okay, this is what the mistakewas.
This is what caused it.
You didn't pay close enoughattention to the instructions
and you put on a part wrong orwhatever.
But learn from that mistake sothat you don't waste that same
minute again in the future.

Ed Baroth (01:31:53):
And I just want to add another concept from project
management.
Oh sure Of risk avoidance.

Mike (01:32:00):
Yep, yep.

Ed Baroth (01:32:03):
Understand when something is at risk, when
there's no undo and that's whatmy big thing is, especially when
you're dealing with to me, whenyou're dealing with clear glass
and decals and most of photoetch, there is risk avoidance

(01:32:23):
because you really a lot ofstuff, stuff.

Mike (01:32:25):
You don't get a second chance well, gentlemen, we got
time for one more, one more,let's get it.
Oh, we get a fun one to endthis on good.
This comes from, comes from ourfriend, scott Stachowiak from
Saginaw, michigan, from theMid-Michigan Model Makers, and

(01:32:48):
we certainly enjoyed hisfeedback over the last few years
and hanging out with him in thedojo at shows on occasion.
What is your favorite nostalgicor nostalgic kit?
So this can come from any angleyour childhood, something you
like, what have you?
And I can start this one.
Go, and I need to pick this up.

(01:33:10):
The first kit I built by myselfwas a monogram 148 scale Hawker
Hurricane Good kit, and I thinkthat one would be a pretty
reasonable build as long as Ididn't try to fix everything
about it.
Yeah, to approach it like youdid with the Airfix 76 scale kit

(01:33:32):
, that and I can apply mycurrent skill set to it and
actually mask the canopy insteadof trying to paint the
stringers by hand and ended upjust having to paint the whole
size of the canopy yellow orkhaki or whatever, because I
couldn't paint a straight line.

Well, I still can't.

Mike (01:33:53):
Dave, what's your favorite nostalgia?

I'm tempted to say 72nd scale to me is zero.

Mike (01:34:01):
That's contemporary, Dave, yeah.

I know, I know, but it's a good joke.
So I had to go with it.
Monogram F4D in 72nd scale, theone with the raised panel lines
that came out in the early tomid 80s.
At the time it was a cuttingedge kit and it went together

(01:34:29):
reasonably well.
It was reasonably wellengineered and I remember
building it.
I remember enjoying it.
And there's, I know I'mbuilding it, I remember enjoying
it and I'm like you.
I know that I could do it againand do it so much better, but
then again all those kits havebeen superseded now, so I don't

(01:34:54):
think I would spend the timedoing it.

Mike (01:34:56):
Yeah, that's not your jam, at least not right now.
Ed, you got one.

Ed Baroth (01:35:01):
Well, I'm going to get controversial.
I'm going to say I really haveno interest in nostalgic kits.
I don't listen to 8-tracks.
I mean I don't have a sliderule anymore.
You know what I mean.

Mike (01:35:16):
I know what you mean.

Ed Baroth (01:35:17):
Those things had their time.
But I have no interestliterally none in building those
kits.
I love those planes by allmeans and I would like nothing
better than to build the latestof that monogram.
I've spoken about it before andI must be getting boring on it,

(01:35:38):
that monogram series.
Yeah, of that monitor, and I'vespoken about it before and I
must be getting boring on it,that monogram series, yeah.
But I, I'm not gonna touch theold.
There's no old kit that I, Inostalgic, that that I that I
yearn for any more than I, youknow, yearn for all those other
things that no longer reallyexist.
You know floppy disks and whathave you.
I mean mean, they're just not,it's just their time has passed.

(01:36:00):
And so if I'm going to spend mytime, I'm going to spend my
time on the best kit I can find.

I think that's a great attitude.
Life's too short to buildcrappy kits.

Ed Baroth (01:36:11):
You know, and especially for the reason of
nostalgia.
You know because I built it asa kid and I mean, if you're
going to try to prove yourself,you can build a kit, because I
built it as a kid and I mean, ifyou're going to try to prove
yourself, you can build a kit.
Why mute yourself from the footand get the oldest one they
have when they have a new one?
I mean, why would you build oldstuff when the newest stuff

(01:36:34):
just is so much better all theway around?
And so I don't feel anynostalgia.
I have no reason to build anold kit.

Mike (01:36:45):
Well, that's an honest answer.

Yes, absolutely.

Mike (01:36:49):
Well, this was fun.
It was fun, Ed.
Thanks for playing with us.

Ed Baroth (01:36:54):
Is it ending already?
We just started.

Mike (01:36:56):
About an hour and eight minutes, man.

We're in the gravy now, yeah it's early in
the evening for you, it's lateat night for us.

Ed Baroth (01:37:05):
Man, yes, yes, it is.

Well, thank you for coming on.

Ed Baroth (01:37:11):
It was my pleasure, absolutely.

And if anybody reaches out through us to have
you do the presentations attheir club via Zoom or Google
Meets or whatever, we'll let youknow.
I appreciate you offering that.

Ed Baroth (01:37:30):
I'm sure you will.

Mike (01:37:31):
All right, all right, ed.
We look forward to the nexttime we see you, so maybe we'll
get a national you can actuallydrive to here in a few years.

Ed Baroth (01:37:38):
Well, we'll get a national you can actually drive
to here in a few years.
Well, we'll see, yeah, and I'dlove to come back and talk to
you about what's going on at themuseum and that kind of stuff.

Mike (01:37:45):
Oh yeah, so we'll have to figure that out, all right.
All right, ed.
Thanks again.
No problem, it's been a lot offun.
All right, well, that's alwaysa lot of fun, yes it is.

Ed is an entertaining guy.
I mean, he's a New Yorker whospent all his time in California
and it's just a greatcombination.

Mike (01:38:15):
And he's been at the hobby a long time.

Yes.

Mike (01:38:19):
A little different perspective than some of our
other other guests.
Yep, but they've all been good.
It's always enjoyable it is.

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Mike (01:39:17):
All right, dave, it's the Benchtop Halftime Report.
You got that, moosaroo, buildoff your back.

Yes.

Mike (01:39:26):
Hopefully other things have been moving forward, what
you been doing since.
That has concluded.

The Moosaroo is done.
The less said about it thebetter.
A little bit of frustrationthere at the end.

Mike (01:39:38):
That might be worth talking about.

Yeah, yeah, it was the pressure to get it done.
I'm sitting there doing it andhating that.
I'm doing it because I want tobe doing other things.
Now it was not.
I mean, I enjoy building.
Well, I enjoy building.
The kit was fine.
It was a good kit and I lovewhat some of the other

(01:40:05):
participants did with it.
Some great ideas and I learnedthings.
You know, using a lot of the AKterrain products for both the
water and the mud flats for mybase and the mud flats for my
base I learned some things.
One of the things I learned isthat AK's instructions, or at

(01:40:30):
least their representations ondrying time are not correct, and
more about that at a futuretime.
I'll sit down and talk aboutthat at length at some point.
Maybe a shop talk quiz.
Yes, I think that would be agood shop talk, but it's done.
I'll put some pictures on thedojo.
But that freed me up to do whatI wanted to do, which is A get

(01:40:56):
back and finish the SAM and thenget started on the F, started
on the F8Fs that I'm buildingfor the group entry in Hampton
Virginia, and I got back intoboth projects and they're both
moving along and, as I said, Icame back from HeritageCon

(01:41:20):
inspired.
I'm building three F8Fs, threeof the same kit, the Hobby Boss
Simple Kit, which is trulysimple but actually a good kit.
So this is my first attempt ata Jeff Groves a group build or a
batch build like this and sofar it's coming along really

(01:41:43):
well.
And I got to say I see some ofthe advantages that Jeff
mentions when he talks aboutbuilding two or three of the
same kit at the same time, andnot only the time saving but the
fact that as you do them youget better.

(01:42:07):
As you're doing it, you figurethings out as you go along.
So my bench is hopping.
I just need to get it cleanedup, I need to get it a little
better organized.
And I need to get it cleaned up, I need to get it a little
better organized and I need toget some stuff finished, sam,
I'm hoping to have done in thenext 30 days.

Mike (01:42:26):
So do you see the batch building getting scaled up to
something more sophisticated?

No, but I can see myself doing pairs.
I could.
I could very easily see myself.
I posted on the dojo.
I got a book Pacific Profilesbook on land-based zeros in the
South Pacific area from 42 to 44.

(01:42:56):
And it's got, first of all, agreat book and it's got tons of
really cool.
You know, everybody thinks of azero as gray with the markings
or late war zero, gray overgreen.
But there's a lot more outthere than just that and the

(01:43:16):
book is very inspirational.
I'm reading it now and I coulddefinitely see myself at some
point in the future sitting downwith two or three Tamiya Zeros
and doing two or three at thesame time.
All right, I could see that.
And I want to get back to myBT-7 because Mr Husted is

(01:43:38):
building one.
In fact he's already got hisbuilt and he started well after
me and he's going to finish wellbefore me.
But I've gotten with that oneso far along that there's no
excuse for me not to finish itup and get it done.
It's a great little kit, allright.
So that's what my bench lookslike.

(01:44:00):
It's messy but things arehappening and I'm happy to be at
the bench.
I got, to admit, the last two,maybe three weeks of the
Moosaroo.
I was not happy to go to thebench and that was not happy to

(01:44:22):
go to the bench, and that wasnot.
That was, I was angry at thebench and that's not good.
So what's your?

Mike (01:44:25):
benchtop look like.
Well, I've spent some time theweek there prior to heritage con
, reviving or resuscitating myprinter and my wash station.
It's been idle for quite awhile, four or five months
probably speaking of that.

Speaking that, do you think that it's important
to say at least once a week, useyour 3D printer just to keep it
?
Do you think it degrades with?

Mike (01:44:54):
non-use?
That's a good question that Idon't really know the answer to
non-use.
That's a good question that Idon't really know the answer to.
I know the IPA in my washstation evaporates at a fairly
good clip because it's 99% Right.
But I've noticed the uncuredresin thickening in the vat.
I've definitely seen that.
But performance-wise I don'tknow, I don't know.

Well, we've got a lot of listeners out there who
have 3D printers, so I'd like toknow from them do you find that
if you don't use your printer,say for 30 days or 45 days, that
when you go back to use itagain, has it degraded its

(01:45:38):
performance?

Mike (01:45:39):
Yeah, is there anything you've got to do to get it going
again, Right?
Well, and all that was just asa preface for the Flak Panzer
38D.
I'm having to reprint some ofthe parts for that guy.
I've got the main hull togetherand it's all prime now.

Now, why are you having to reprint some parts?

Mike (01:45:57):
They got brittle because I left them out.
Oh okay, Exposed to reprintsome parts.
They got brittle because I leftthem out.
Oh okay, Exposed to the roomlighting and some of them got
kind of brittle.
Well, one of my dropped andjust broke it.

Okay, so were you suggesting that if you have 3D
printed stuff when you're notworking on it, don't leave it
out on the bench under lights?

Mike (01:46:17):
If it's not been primed or painted.
That would be a good idea.
To not do that, Just put it ina dark box.
Yeah, something where it's notgetting any ambient light
because the UV component ofthat's going to make some of the
resins out there brittle.
Now, they're not all going tohave that same effect, but this
particular one, those parts,have been printed quite a long

(01:46:39):
time.
So I think if I was going to doone of these kits again, I
would print it as I needed it,gotcha, instead of running ahead
and printing the whole stinkingthing and just letting it sit.
Or if I did that, you just needto put it away where it can't
get any light, or just go aheadand prime everything on the
support structure until you needit, because you're going to put
it all together with super glueanyway.
So glue or, excuse me, paint onit.

(01:47:03):
It's not going to affect thingstoo much, and I'm seeking out
some better gun barrels andmaybe some wheels.
I've got a different solutionfor the wheels, I just didn't
like the way they looked.

They printed okay , but it's just something not
right about them.
Is it something in the CADdesign itself?

Mike (01:47:18):
Well, one thing is there's no, it's like the gripe on the
old it's Hilarious 38T kits.
There was no backside detail onthe wheel hubs.

Gotcha.

Mike (01:47:28):
And on the first pair from the front and the last pair
from the rear you can see thebacksides of the road wheels,
because it sits high enough andthe wheels are big.
So I may have figured outsomething else for that.
But the gun barrels, the 3Dprinted barrels again, they
print fine.
They're just not very robustand I think even after you paint

(01:47:50):
them they're going to be atrisk of getting broken.

Yeah.

Mike (01:47:53):
And if you super glue those things all together and
you break them, that's going tobe real hard to fix.
So Aber makes a set of barrelsfor the German Kugelblitz
anti-aircraft turret.
Yeah, it doesn't matter whetherit's a Panther one or a Panzer
IV one or whatever, Right, theturret's the same.
So there are aluminum gunbarrels out there with some

(01:48:17):
really nice resin-cast muzzlebrakes on them.
So I was hoping to pick that upat Heritage Con.
But the barrel store had justpiles of Aber PE and barrels did
not have the one I needed.

Didn't that always the way it works?
Yeah, it seems to be always theway it works.
They have tons of stuff, butnot the one item that you need.

Mike (01:48:39):
And the KV-85 was progressing before HeritageCon.
I haven't touched it too muchsince we've been back.
The fenders are on, which I mayhave reported last time.
That took some fiddling, but Ifinally got them where I wanted
them.
The thing that's progressed isthe weld seams on the vertical
sides of the fender supportshave been added.
Now did you use the?

kit, parts for the supports themselves.

Mike (01:49:03):
I did.
They're a little thick butthere was some really ugly
reengineering involved to justreplace the supports and not the
entire fender assembly.
I won't get into that, butthey're a little on the thick
side but they look fine.
And I did the weld scenes withthe, the, the melting the

(01:49:24):
styrene rod and then shaping itwith a like the tip of a.

Right.

Mike (01:49:29):
An exacto blade that's lost its point Right, and for
that I like to use the 10,000styrene rod from from evergreen
no it's from plastic trucks.

Yeah, evergreen doesn't yeah?

Mike (01:49:40):
evergreen doesn't make one that small.
Yes, you're right, this stuff's.
I like that.

You could use stretch sprue if you wanted to,
right, uh, but unless you're thesprue stretch extraordinaire,
getting them all the samethickness, you know the same
diameter right every time iscould end up causing some
problems later if they'redifferent, although all those,
all those welds may not beexactly the same on the model,
or I mean on the real thing.

(01:50:05):
They're not going to be grosslydifferent in that scale though,
yeah, that's probably true.

Mike (01:50:08):
So the 10,000ths is a good place to start and you're
starting with the same basestock material every time.
It took a little while, man.
There's 20 of these I had to doyeah.

And I got them done in a couple of days.
I was alone at the house.

Mike (01:50:23):
Yeah.

I got a couple of texts when they were getting to
you, yeah.

Mike (01:50:28):
So I had to take a break.
It all went well.
It's just Sure, it's justtedious man.

20 of anything is a lot of work, yeah, and those
are tiny things.
A lot of work, yeah, and thoseare tiny.
So while you know the, theactual doing, sometimes working
on really small stuff, is muchmore tedious than you know doing
a bunch of sanding a road wheel, something big well, yeah, 20
of those was just.

Mike (01:50:53):
That'd just be tedium.
This was this.
You had to concentrate, and youknow, because trying to get
them all to look similar Right,they don't have to be the same,
you want them all to be a littledifferent, but the average
width and the spacing of thelittle weld arcs needs to be
close to the same.
Yeah, but it came out good.
But, yeah, I had to get up andwalk around and go do something

(01:51:15):
else every now and then, but nodisasters, and I tell you, once
I got in the groove it would gopretty fast.

Well, good.

Mike (01:51:22):
Well, that's my bench man, so hopefully next episode We'll
both have lots of progress toreport.

It wasn't bad.
It's two weeks.
Let's set a goal.
Let's make some real progress.

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Hey, mike, yeah, have you been spending money on
modeling stuff?

Mike (01:52:11):
Well, I had the big goose egg last time.
It's not the case this time.
Yep yep Well Though.
I will be outdone folks, butI'll go.

Yeah, yeah, you go first, cause mine, it's going
to take a while.

Mike (01:52:25):
Well, I tell you, in the, in the in the uh refurbishment
of my printer, I probably spenta hundred and a quarter on resin
and another 50 on 99% ice propisopropyl alcohol to get that
going.
So that'll last me a long time.
So I'm not too concerned aboutthat.
Keep that jug sealed tight.

(01:52:47):
We went to a major hobbyretailer and we went to a model
show.
Yep, now I will fess up.
I've spent actually zero atHeritageCon Somehow.
I spent a bunch of money therelast year.

They're probably not going to let you bike across
the border next year.

Mike (01:53:06):
They might not.
They may make me make a promise.
Yeah, exactly.
But I did spend some money atMichigan Toy Soldier Company and
pretty pleased with what I got.
Anybody who's not been thereand has wanted to go there, I
recommend going there Now.
The caveat is that the shop isgeared primarily for

(01:53:29):
miniaturists in the figure kindof vein of that, and wargamers
and larger scale figure painters.
So the model kit selectionwould have fit in the trunk of
my smallest car.

Yeah.

Mike (01:53:45):
Everything they had.

It is.
It is not a kit shop.

Mike (01:53:48):
No, and a high percentage of what they did have were tune
tanks and egg planes, and yeah.
Whatever you call the ships,yeah, that said, though, I've
never seen so much paint anddiorama and finishing stuff in
one place in my entire life.

Yep, I agree.

Mike (01:54:09):
So, and paint, Did I say paint, yes, you said paint.
Hey, golly man, you talk abouta lot of paint.

Paint and tools and weathering products and
terrain products.
Yep man.

Mike (01:54:26):
Well, you'll have more to say on this, but oh yeah, you
know he had a Mr Color Rack.

Yes.

Mike (01:54:32):
So I picked up a couple of Gunze paints yeah, a couple I
did.
You can talk about yours in aminute.
The big thing was, though, hehad pretty good stock.
You know, when you got thatmuch stuff you're not going to
have everything of every lineall the time.
It's just impossible.
But green stuff world yes whomakes all kind of scenic stuff

(01:54:55):
and tools for doing scenery andand texturing tools and things.
I had a lot of stuff and toolsfor doing scenery and texturing
tools and things.
I had a lot of stuff and I wasgoing to need some different
grass tufts pre-made grass tuftsto get on the base for the
KV-85.
So I picked up three differentsizes of that.
They make these machinedacrylic rolling pins and I got

(01:55:18):
one to do square cobblestoneswith.
And these things have had mecurious since I first saw them
on eBay.

Yeah.

Mike (01:55:24):
So I picked up one of those, and then the coolest one
is I got two paper punches thatare for making scale leaves.

Right.

Mike (01:55:35):
And these.
These remind me of some of theshape punches my wife used to
have when she's all intoscrapbooking.
It's the exact same thing.

Oh yeah, that's exactly what they are.

Mike (01:55:43):
So I picked up a couple of leaves that were good shapes
that were in the right size forAlso.
The immediate use will be thediorama base for the KV-85.
So glad to get this stuff.
I finally got my hands on someGreen Stuff World material, so
I'll be trying that out.
Not too much damage but youknow it's respectable.

Well, you need to send me a check then, because I
did damage.

Mike (01:56:10):
Not to my wallet.

Well, I did it not only to my wallet, I did it
to my finances.

Mike (01:56:18):
I thought you were're gonna dump the whole gunsy rack
into your shopping bag yeah,well, did you okay?

and it just wasn't okay.
Let's start at the beginning.
I have bought a lot of hobbyrelated stuff in the last two
weeks.
In fact, in the last week, weekand a half, I bent the end of
my Badger Velocity airbrush justthe little protective cap at

(01:56:47):
the end.
So I went online to Badger andI ordered the.
It turns out they have twoneedles and tips for this brush,
so instead of just ordering theend caps, I ordered the needle
and tip set with the end caps.

(01:57:08):
Then, on Amazon, I ordered atempered glass cutting mat.
We use these self-healingcutting mats, which are great
for cutting plastics and doingsome things, but if you want to
work in photo etch or sometimessome other materials, glass is

(01:57:31):
the preferred surface to work ona tempered glass, and they make
tempered glass mats that lookjust like a cutting mat, except
they're, of course, made ofglass and they're not really
very expensive.
You can find a variety of themout there.
I just ordered mine off Amazon.
I ordered a complete set of theAviology decals tailcoats.

(01:57:58):
I actually ordered two completesets, so technically, one of
those sets goes in your broke,my wallet.

Mike (01:58:06):
Oh yeah.

Not my broke.
Well, you haven't given me themoney yet, I haven't given you
the decals yet, so I can see whyyou would have forgotten.
So then let's see.
In addition to all of that, Ithen went to Michigan Toy
Soldier and was like a kid in acandy shop.
The main thing that they hadthat, unfortunately, I can mail

(01:58:38):
order but I can't get aroundhere is Mr Color paints, and
they had them reasonably priced,mr Color paints, and they had
them reasonably priced, and so Ibought $90 worth of Mr Color
paints.
I also got a USB rechargeableelectric hand drill.
I got some Green Stuff, worldterrain products.
In fact, I think of the four ofus, or the five of us at

(01:59:02):
Michigan Toy Soldier, I won forthe highest bill.
I'm not sure that's calledwinning, but I did so.
Then we went to HeritageCon, andthe Canadian dollar is very
weak right now compared to theUS dollar, which means that when

(01:59:27):
you go to the money machine itgoes far, and so I had a stack
of it and I didn't hold back.
I bought a whole bunch of usedbooks three Shores and Cull

(01:59:47):
books, two volumes on Canadianaviation history, a stack of
Bound Air Internationalmagazines, and I bought kits.
I bought four or five kits.
I bought some tools, includingthese really really fine round

(02:00:12):
diamond files that's being soldby the folks who do Flexifile
and they're really really nice.
I can see them being quiteuseful getting into places that
you couldn't get into with anyother sanding or file-type item,

(02:00:33):
so I can see them coming inhandy.
I got as a gift from Mr Wallacea little car air freshener in
the shape of the nose of a P40,which was awesome and it's in my
car and I am unreasonablyentertained by it.
We saw John Bonanni up thereand John was kind enough.

(02:00:57):
He had some patches from thecompany he works for, boom
Aerospace, who just did thesupersonic flight with their
test aircraft where they'retrying to build a supersonic
airliner.
He gave us some patches, whichwas very nice.
He gave us some patches, whichwas very nice, and we acquired a

(02:01:20):
bunch of beer and a little bitof bourbon, because we have the
greatest listeners on the planetand they bring us these things
at shows and it's awesome.
So my wallet is very broken.
I will not be spending a pennyon my hobby until we get to amps

(02:01:41):
and even then I may have to cutback because, oh boy, I'm going
to need to keep your wallet foryou, yeah, exactly.

Mike (02:01:52):
Like your dad.

The Voice of Bob (Baier) (02:01:53):
Right.

Yeah, I let you dole me out like $20 a day, but
yeah, that's it.
But, man, it was a lot, a wholelot, and I'm happy about all of
it.
Now, my creditors may not behappy about it, but I was pretty
happy about it.
Mike, are you done with yourmodeling fluid?

Mike (02:02:21):
I am Dave Okay.

It was yummy.
Okay, yummy.
Well, remind us again.

Mike (02:02:29):
Well, the first one, the 1429 for the main segment.
Well, not the feature segment,but what we call the shell of
the episode.
All the standard features,standard segments.
This Holler Lager from FarmLeague Brewery and Farm League
Brewing is in Galton, ontario.
And what's the ABV on it?

(02:02:51):
It's a lighter one, it's 4.8.

Okay, so is it a lager.

Mike (02:02:55):
It's a lager.
It's a real clearlean-in-toward-the-pale-side
lager.
It's a real clear leaningtoward the pale side lager.
It's really good.

Good.

Mike (02:03:03):
I could drink it.

Remind me again who gave that to you.

Mike (02:03:06):
That was given to us by Mr Steve Johnson Thank you, steve
who also gave us which wasfeatured in the Wheel of
Accidental Wisdom Forty CreekNiagara Whiskey.

So now, this was a whiskey, not a bourbon.

Mike (02:03:22):
Yeah, it's a whiskey.
And where's this place?
It's also in Ontario.
It was Forty Creek Distilleryin Grimsby, Ontario.
It's pretty good.
Now, these Canadians we getfrom time to time this is pretty
smooth, it's just it's notbourbon, it's different and I
don't know.
It's probably the mash bill andit's probably the barrels.

Yeah.

Mike (02:03:44):
One thing I like to do if I can have the opportunity, if I
don't wash the glass too soon,if I have a bourbon,
particularly one, and I just getup and go to bed or something,
and what's left the somethingand what's left the the residual
dampness in the glassevaporates out right and leaves
to the dry residuals in thebottom of the glass.
Yep, with most bourbons that isa really oaky smell to it.

(02:04:07):
I mean, it's like cutting oakfirewood.
Yeah, um, this stuff did nothave that smell.
It was a different wood.
I almost want to say it wasmaple but I don't know that
would make.

that would make sense in canada it would.
I don't know that would makesense in Canada, it would.

Mike (02:04:22):
I don't know if that's what they're doing or not, but
it was good.
I appreciate it, and thanks toSteve for letting us have that.
So how's that beer you'redrinking?
It's good.

A Browmaster Brewing Company out of Carleton
Place, ontario.
This is called Route 21.
It's a Marzen which issomewhere between a lager and an
ale.
It's a little darker.

(02:04:54):
It's got a little bit of thatmalt.
It's got a little bit of thatmalt.
It's not as malty as, say, aScotch Ale or something like
that.
This is 5.5% alcohol by volumebrought to us by Evan McCallum,
and it's very drinkable.
You know what, on a coldCanadian winter I can see this

(02:05:20):
being really really good by thefire because it's not too heavy
like a porter or something likethat, but it's got a body to it
and I can see it being a reallynice beer to sit by the
fireplace in winter looking outwatching it snow.

Mike (02:05:41):
Well, all those beers styled as Oktoberfest releases
are Meritsons, yes, and they'remalty.

Yeah, except that what this doesn't have, that a
lot of the Oktoberfest ones do,is they have the pumpkin spices
this doesn't have any of that.

Mike (02:05:58):
I'm not talking.
I'm talking about the real ones, not those.

Right, Well, I'm talking about the ones we see in
America.
Really good beer, Evan.
Thank you.
I've enjoyed this one and I'lllook forward to drinking the
others.
Mike, we're now really at theend of the episode and I've got

(02:06:23):
two shout outs.
Do you have some shout outs?

Mike (02:06:26):
yeah, my first one's easy, it's gonna be mr steve johnson
for providing us the gifts.
Not only do we get some beersin this little bottle of burt or
whiskey, he gave us a reallynice coffee mug and some
stickers.
Yes and uh, his handle onlineis Fuzzy's Ghost Models.
His online handle is Fuzzy'sGhost Models and look for him
there online.

Very, very nice, got to have a really nice
conversation with him atHamilton and was just great and
we appreciate highly what youbrought us and we appreciate all
the nice things you said aswell.
Well, my first shout out is to,of course, the Hamilton crew,
the folks at IPMS Hamilton, whoput on what, in my opinion, is

(02:07:13):
the finest one-day show in NorthAmerica day show in North
America.
It's a great show in a greatlocation.
The quality and number ofmodels was amazing.
The vendors were fantastic, theweather was on the nippy side
but it wasn't awful, and theCanadians deserve their

(02:07:36):
reputation as super politepeople.
All the guys up there were justso kind to us and you know it's
great to see Stu.
It was great to see him lookingso good and hearing the good
news about his wife.
So big shout out to the guys atHamilton.
Thank you very much for doingwhat you do and letting us all

(02:08:01):
come up and play.

Mike (02:08:03):
Well, my next one is going to be to Mr Chris Wallace,
model airplane maker that wasmine.
Well, you can tag on if youwant, I will.
We appreciate theaccommodations and for seeking
that out and finding it for usand hopefully get paid.

Yes, chris man.
Every time he does the hardwork of finding us a place and
he hits a home run every singletime.
He is also one of the nicestpeople on the planet, and
sitting around drinking abourbon or a Steve Husted

(02:08:45):
martini with Chris and justshooting the breeze either
before the night before a modelshow or the night after a model
show is just the pinnacle of fun.

Mike (02:09:00):
Well, once you finish it out, because I know what your
next shout outs are probably.

Well, the last shout out I have is to all of
the folks who have contributedvia Patreon, paypal, buy me a
coffee, et cetera.
You all are really helping us.
As you noticed, phase one ofthe website is out.

(02:09:27):
That's something that was paidfor professionally.
We're trying to do a lot, andthe support of everyone out
there really means a lot to us.
Mike and I would not be able todo nearly what we have done
without your all support, and Iam truly grateful.

Mike (02:09:49):
So if you'd like to do that and Dave touched on it, but
there's Patreon, paypal.
Buy me a coffee, buy me a beeris actually what we call it
Exactly All those avenues can befound in the show notes.
So we appreciate it, folks.
It's really helping a lot andit's going to help us bring you
more stuff in the future.
Finally, dave, we'd be remissnot to shout out all our travel

(02:10:11):
companions Mr Steve Husted he'sbeen on the show several times.
Mark Copeland he was on theshow recently.

Yes.

Mike (02:10:18):
Steve Rui came up.
Delta Pilot came up from well,he's in the Minnesota club but
he got to Detroit from Florida.
He came up.
We talked to him quite a bitand he knew Mark and Steve
already, but we'd never met himface-to-face, only through some
listener mail.
And John Vickis from Salt Lake.
We see him on occasion at theNational Convention, but the

(02:10:39):
last couple of times we haven'tgot to see much of him.
He rode in our car ontoHamilton and really appreciated
bringing him to and fromHamilton, back and forth between
there and Detroit.
He was excellent company in ourcar.
He was so already lookingforward to next year and seeing
what that was going to bring.
So yeah, dave, that's a lot manand as we always say, so many

(02:11:03):
kids, so little time, dave.

Mark's coming to the close Yep.

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