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August 13, 2024 31 mins

In part 1 of my conversation with Monica Basco, Ph.D., Exploring the intersection of perfectionism, procrastination, and performance, we discussed the following topics:


  • Perfectionism and high-achieving behaviors
  • Understanding the impact of high goals
  • The role of confidence in goal setting
  • The intersection of perfectionism and procrastination


In this second part of our conversation, Monica kindly shared her transition from academia to the White House as an introduction to the focus of this episode: the intersection of perfectionism and imposter phenomenon.


Perfectionists set exceptionally high standards for themselves, displaying a relentless drive to achieve what they perceive as flawless outcomes. However, when these standards are not met, it can lead to feelings of failure and inadequacy. Even when they succeed, perfectionists may fear that others will see through their façade, further perpetuating the imposter phenomenon.


A highlight of our conversation is the importance of discerning when perfectionistic actions are an asset and when they become a liability.


Key Takeaways


  • Perfectionism and imposter phenomenon
  • Exploring imposter phenomenon
  • Perfectionism and self-expectations
  • Overcoming imposter syndrome
  • The transition from academia to government
  • Perfectionism in different contexts
  • Balancing perfectionism and fear of failure
  • Distinguishing when to turn on and off perfectionistic actions


Show notes with time-stamps


00:00 The Intersection of Perfectionism and Imposter Phenomenon

05:03 Personal Story: Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

10:10 Transition from Academia to the White House

16:12 The Role of Perfectionism in Government and Science

18:23 Fear of Failure and Perfectionism

22:52 How Different Fears Influence Behavior


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