September 16, 2025 • 31 mins
Jonathan and Katelyn return with a fresh start in Season 4, sharing life updates and discussing the challenges and blessings of remaining faithful to God during difficult seasons.
• Season 4 begins with personal updates, including the addition of twin boys to their family of seven children
• Biblical perspective on faithfulness from James 1:2-4 - counting trials as joy because they produce steadfastness
• Four practical ways to remain steadfast: relying on relationships, immersing in Scripture, preaching the gospel to yourself, and maintaining proper perspective
• The importance of church community in supporting believers through challenging times
• Shifting focus from self to serving others during difficult seasons as modeled by Christ
• Galatians 6:9-10 encourages us not to grow weary in doing good, knowing we will reap a harvest
• A reminder that trials are temporary, but the character they develop is lasting
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Jonathan (00:09):
Hi and welcome back to the Pleasing God podcast, a
show focused on helpingChristians to think biblically,
engage practically and livefaithfully for the glory of God.
I'm your host, jonathan Soule,and I'm joined with Kaitlin
Soule.
Hey, what's going on?
Katelyn (00:22):
Not much.
Jonathan (00:24):
Okay, well, what do you?
Katelyn (00:27):
want to talk about.
I think we're going to, in part, talk about just a fresh start
on the podcast.
Jonathan (00:32):
Season four Season four, episode one yes, all right
.
Katelyn (00:36):
So a little bit about that.
Jonathan (00:37):
Give a little life update where you've been.
We haven't heard your voice inmonths.
I think my last recording wasright before things got really,
really, really busy into thesummer.
So, yeah, we want to give someupdates on the podcast, talk a
little bit about where we'regoing, what we want to do in
season four, fresh start, rebootand also on this episode, I
(00:59):
want to talk about faithfulness.
And also on this episode, Iwant to talk about faithfulness,
remaining faithful, livingfaithfully even when it gets
hard.
Those hard seasons and I thinkwe've experienced some of them
Maybe we can share be anencouragement, help us to think
biblically, talk about itpractically, ultimately the
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point of the show to livefaithfully.
So I think it's a great thing totalk about.
Talk about, yeah, sure.
So I want to give some updates,want to just like let people
know what's been going on in thesoul home sure?
Katelyn (01:34):
uh well, we added two new members to our family, jack
and miles are they dogs?
No, they're twin boys, wow, sowe had them in February.
So obviously, with that, justfiguring out life as a family of
nine, seven children, yeah, sothat was a huge shift in our
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life.
We've also had a lot ofministry over the summer, even
some difficulties in ministryover the summer, and then now
rolling into kind of those fallrhythms.
Jonathan (02:09):
I love the fall rhythms.
Katelyn (02:10):
Yeah.
Jonathan (02:11):
Kind of the back to school vibe.
Church schedule and work seemsto hit the norm and it's just
fun.
Katelyn (02:20):
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's crazy we have full, fullweeks.
But I like having the thingsthat kind of keep our family on
track, our rhythms.
So yeah.
Jonathan (02:30):
That sounds hard.
It's a lot.
Yeah, it's a lot.
So how do you remain faithfulin the midst of that hard?
I mean seven kids homeschooling.
Katelyn (02:44):
Yeah, faithful to what?
Faithful to the Lord, faithfulto the ministry that has for me
faithfulness in the church.
What do you mean by yes?
That's great, yeah.
Jonathan (02:57):
Can we talk a little?
Katelyn (02:58):
bit about that.
It's broad.
Jonathan (02:59):
Yeah, it's broad, but we're called to live lives of
faithfulness right.
I mean preaching through 1Timothy right now and the last
message on Paul's qualificationsfor deacons, and when he
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addresses the wives or the womenthere, one of the things that
he says of them is that they arefaithful in all things, and so
when you ask, that's a lot ofpressure.
Katelyn (03:25):
Whoa, yeah, it's a qualification for the office,
and so, yeah, just, I don't knowthinking about being faithful,
I think, thinking, if we'rethinking just in this past year,
seven, eight months, I think,taking it in season, so I would
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say like the newborn stage, whenwe had two babies and we were
figuring out life, taking a stepback from kind of outside
duties, outside ministries,outside things and kind of
focusing on the family and beingfaithful within, just kind of
getting by to the next feedingor getting by to the end.
What I mean is the home and thefamily and the babies were what
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we were being faithful to for ashort amount of time.
Jonathan (04:11):
Sure, and even still.
I mean they're still alive.
Katelyn (04:15):
Yes, but there's a lot of learning and growing and
change, and God was faithful tous in our relationship, being
able to maneuver a lot of movingparts within our family and
still giving the other five whatthey needed as well.
Then, as we adjusted to that,going into the summer and just
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being faithful in each ministrytask that we were given and
needed to get done, and somaking sure that I was being
faithful and diligent in that.
You had plenty of ministry inthe summer as well, yeah, so
it's a very broad question, Ithink being faithful to the Lord
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and what he has given us tosteward our family, our ministry
, and being faithful to ourfamily and helping everyone
adjust to these new seasons.
Jonathan (05:09):
Yeah, I totally agree.
I mean, when we think aboutfaithfulness in these hard
seasons or in trying times, it'skind of like that's when it's
tested, Like it's sometimes itcan be easy to be faithful when
things are just kind of goingwell and there's not a lot of
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pressure, but when pressure andhard times come, that's really
the test there.
And it reminds me actually whatJames says in James, chapter
one, verse two.
He says count it all.
Joy, my brothers and sisters,when you meet trials of various
kinds, For you know that thetesting of your faith produces
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steadfastness.
And let steadfastness have itsfull effect, that you may be
perfect and complete, lacking innothing.
And I think we're using the wordfaithfulness and steadfastness
at least in my mind.
I'm kind of using thatinterchangeably.
Like how do you remainsteadfast in the things that God
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has given you when it gets hard?
Because, truth be told, thereare times when it gets like
really, really hard and you'relike I don't want to do this
anymore or like I'm just goingto cut a corner on this one.
Or you know, I'm going to bekind of steadfast in this, but
maybe not as well as I should.
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But james here kind of says hey,you need to count it as joy
when you meet that hard thing,and I'm I just kind of wonder
how can he say that it seems tobe like in our lives or in
general.
When you think about what hesays here, that's the complete
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opposite of how anyone reacts totrials and hard things.
And I, full confession, when Iface really hard things, the
last thing on my mind iscounting it as joy.
I want to figure out how do Iget out of this.
Most of the time as a man, I'mjust like okay, what's the path?
How do I do this, how do Inavigate this and go to the next
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thing, and the danger with thatis I can miss the point of that
hard thing and fail here to seethat this is a testing of faith
, to produce a stronger faith.
Katelyn (07:34):
I think we saw an element of that over the summer.
We went through somethingwithin ministry that was not
just ministry, it was personal,it felt personal, it was, it was
.
It wasn't just oh, it was justan outside ministry thing.
It was something that wasdifficult and emotionally,
physically, mentally taxing.
(07:55):
And, um, there were definitelytimes I looked at you and you I
was like want to just like getin the car and just like go.
We don't even have to have aplace to go, like let's just
drive.
Sounds like a country song,like let's just get in the car
and go.
And so there were definitelytimes where we kind of had to
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together, look at each other andbe like no, this is what God
has for us, this is what God isbringing us in, and we need to
be steadfast, like you'retalking about.
Jonathan (08:29):
And I think you hit on a good practical point too.
So we think biblically engagepractically.
So one of the ways in which wehave been able to remain
steadfast in the midst of hardthings is our relationship right
, so that when something hardcomes your way or my way, we
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might be dealing with itpersonally, but we share that
and it helps us to carry theload together.
It's so I think it's been sohelpful for me, and I'm sure for
you as well, just to know thatI'm not carrying this hard thing
alone or I'm not in this trialby myself.
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I might carry the lion's shareof the load, the majority, but
I'm not alone.
And I think, practicallyspeaking, whenever we face
something hard, whenever we havea trial, it is helpful, it is
extremely beneficial to sharethat load, to have someone or a
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group of people that are bearingyour burden with you, and that
because trials can lead toisolation, great loneliness and
put people into some really darkplaces.
And one of the helpful ways toovercome that and when I'm down,
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I mean two is better than one.
I mean we know that fromSolomon and I need you to lift
me up, I need you to speak thatgood word of encouragement or
just be next to me, and I thinkthat's so helpful.
Vice versa, it's the beauty ofrelationships, so certainly
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thankful for godly relationships, meaningful relationships that
go well below the surface, and Ithink it's a practical way to
help spur on steadfastness inthe midst of hard Anything that
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you could think of.
That's a real practical way towork out this faithfulness, the
steadfastness.
Katelyn (10:47):
Well, of course it's definitely important to be in
the Word in prayer.
I struggle personally withbeing in the Word daily.
It's always been kind of astruggle for me.
But making an effort to be inthe Word, to know the Lord, to
be more like Christ, which Imean he was the ultimate example
of faithfulness.
I mean he was busy, the LordJesus was busy, and he still
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made time to make prayer apriority, communion with his
Father, and he served people sofaithfully and he taught his
disciples so faithfully and so,being in the word, living out
the example that Christ set out,just taking it a day at a time.
Jonathan (11:33):
Yeah, that's so good too, really just taking it a day
at a time.
Yeah, certainly we can'toverstate spiritual disciplines
or habits of grace, whatever wewant to call them that build our
spiritual formation, ourspirituality as we face
difficulties.
I mean, the scriptures are thesource of encouragement.
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We shouldn't just go look forencouragement everywhere else,
but the word, the word of Christ, is to dwell in us richly.
And I just think of plenty ofscriptures that come to mind
that have been helpful to me.
And so I would just double downon that Deposit scripture into
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your mind and into your heartbefore the hard and trial comes,
so that when the trial and thehard thing does come, the Holy
Spirit will call to remembrancethe things that you have put in.
I'm not a mystic.
The Holy Spirit is not going tobring to me a Bible verse that
I've never read before.
I'm not going to get newinformation in my mind and in my
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heart that I have not oncedeposited there.
You know Psalm 119, the psalmistis soaking in, hiding God's
word in his heart.
His word is a lamp to his feet,a light to his path.
He needs that illumination andthat guidance.
But he's meditating on his law.
I mean the blessed man of Psalm1, he's blessed because on his
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law, on God's law, he meditatesday and night, and so that
blessed life doesn't mean he'snot going to face trials or hard
things, but he's done thenecessary things so that when
those things come up, he'sequipped and he's ready.
Yeah, I'm reminded of what Paulsays in Galatians 6, verse 9,
where he says Let us not growweary of doing good, for in due
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season we will reap if we do notgive up.
And even that verse there justa source of encouragement.
As you're facing something hard,as you're going through trial,
as your mom raising sevenchildren with infant or newborn
young twins, whether you're awidow and you're suffering and
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you're going through justremembering your spouse, or
you're working long hours,you're at the season of life
where you just feel like you'regrinding away and you're getting
up early, you're staying uplate, you're working a ton of
hours just because that's whereyou are in life.
You're struggling with healthcrisis, you're battling cancer.
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Someone you know is reallygoing through a hard, hard time.
The trials are endless, thehard things are all over the
place.
Maybe you're in a season whereyou're having great marital
difficulties.
You feel like you're just shipspassing in the night and you
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know you need to improve it,whatever it might be, and I'm
sure that we could think of manyother hard things that people
are facing.
Do not grow weary in doing good,and that's the point that's
being made here is yes, thereare hard things, but we're
called to be faithful in thosethings and there's a promise
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that's made even in this verseIn the midst of the trial,
remain steadfast, do not growweary in doing good, because the
promise that is made there isthat in the due season you will
reap.
Like one of my favorite lines,and it's not so much in modern
translations, but you would readlike older translations, like
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it came to pass, you know, and Ithink about.
It's not what they mean, butlike hard things come and then
they pass.
They come and go, like there'sseasons and we just need to
recognize that, like while we'rein that season, it's not
forever.
Katelyn (15:33):
Yeah, and I think this also translates not just in like
a difficult season, but evenjust a busy season or a full
season, or even a season whereit's you don't really have a lot
going on and it's it's a quietseason.
We're still called to do welland we're still called to be
faithful and not coast when it'seasy and still be diligent.
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But, yeah, I think we're we'refocusing a lot on on difficult
season, but even just a seasonthat's just busy might not be
difficult necessarily, but justthere's a lot going on and so,
um, yeah, I think thattranslates into all of it.
Jonathan (16:11):
That's hard too.
That's a trial too, the trialof balancing time, juggling all
the responsibilities.
That's hard.
It might not be okay.
Some of the things I talkedabout just like really difficult
insofar as, like health orfailing relationships, it might
just be looking at the calendarand saying, whoa, there's
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something every day.
Katelyn (16:34):
This week, I think that's where I'm at right now is
just there is something everyday filling our time for 12
hours, and it's a lot.
It's a lot.
Jonathan (16:42):
Yeah, and the call there remain steadfast, and that
even in those things your faithis going to be tested.
You're going to feel likethere's not enough hours in the
day to get the things done thatI need, and you got to rely on
God's grace and his provisionfor you.
Katelyn (17:00):
There are several times , multiple times in the day,
where I'm literally justrepeating do not grow weary in
doing well, do not grow weary indoing well.
And just even having thatsimple reminder, that simple
encouragement to myself,preaching the gospel to myself,
that I'm doing this for Jesus.
Jonathan (17:17):
Okay, there's another practical way to remain
steadfast in hard full seasonsof life.
So we talk about relying onrelationships that load sharing.
We talk about being in the wordand depositing the scripture
and, ultimately, I think,preaching the gospel to yourself
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.
A gospel of grace, not of lawtoo.
A gospel of grace, not of lawtoo.
And I think some of us,depending on kind of where we
are on the spectrum, might needto be giving ourselves a little
more grace.
Katelyn (17:53):
Totally.
Jonathan (17:54):
Because we could be our own worst critics.
We can be very hard onourselves and you know what you
might have that super full lifeand you didn't get to everything
on your list.
That day it's okay.
Katelyn (18:07):
Yeah, that's a struggle for me.
You know that that's a strugglefor me, yeah.
Jonathan (18:11):
Jesus loves you the same.
And now we don't give ourselvesa license to just be lazy.
But we have to recognize thatwe might not get everything done
on our list that day.
And it'll be there tomorrow,yeah, it'll certainly be there
tomorrow.
Katelyn (18:29):
It'll just we'll add on to the next day.
Tack it on, yeah.
Jonathan (18:34):
But certainly again, just the desire to remain
steadfast.
And then the fourth thing I canthink of practically is
perspective, Our perspective onhard, full difficulties, trials,
seasons.
How we think and how our mindis shaped by what we're facing
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will determine how we will actabout that.
So what's the perspective onhard things?
This stinks.
Why is this happening to me?
How do I get out of this?
I would say that that beginsthe cycle of negative thinking.
I call it stinking thinking.
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Tells us what the perspective isfrom the beginning, counted all
joy, and I started by askinghow can he do that?
That seems opposite toeverything and the answer is
because he knows the outcome andso it's so hard.
And this is why I need everyother part of those practical
things in my life to remind meand to point me and to help
shape my perspective.
But it's the outcome of thehard thing, the busy season,
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that James is looking forward to.
He's looking past what is hard,to what is lasting, and that's
where he says that you might beperfect and complete, lacking in
nothing, a well-equipped,steadfast, faithful person.
It's as though every trial,every difficult season comes
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your way and as you are relyingon God's grace and His means of
grace, all the things that weare talking about here.
You get a little bit strongerand then you just get a little
bit stronger.
It's kind of like liftingweights right or exercising.
Katelyn (20:30):
The first day that you do exercise is really hard right
and the next few days afterbecause you're sore.
Jonathan (20:36):
Okay, and then you stick with it and you stick with
it and you're always doingsomething hard, but after three
months you look back.
If you're always doingsomething hard, but after three
months you look back, if you'retracking your progress and you'd
say I never thought I could runthat far or lift that much
weight, right, but I'mprogressively getting stronger,
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I'm becoming more steadfast, I'mbecoming, you know, as I'm
facing these kinds of dailytrials in the gym or running.
And I think that's what Jamesis looking at and you can count
it joy, not because necessarilyyou're happy about a trial, but
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you know what it will produce inyou.
By remaining steadfast, yourfaith is strengthened, your
trust in God grows, you're moreholy.
Ultimately, you're becomingmore like Jesus, through the
right perspective, preaching thegospel to yourself, relying on
God's word and havingrelationships with people.
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Ultimately, the place thatthat's found is in the church.
Right To go through hard thingswithout a church.
I couldn't imagine the churchis so life-giving in that it is
helpful.
Think about the community,think about even.
You know when you had twins,how the church rallied around
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and was such a help to you.
Katelyn (21:59):
Oh yeah, we had meals for I don't know a month and a
half, maybe People coming overto take the big kids to go play,
or my mom coming over, or momscoming over and cleaning our
house for us and doing laundry.
My mom still does laundry oftenfor us, which is a huge help,
but yeah, for sure.
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Along with the perspectiveaspect, though, that you were
talking about.
Yes, we can look and say youknow, we're going to become more
Christlike through this, butalso having the perspective of
getting out of myself andlooking to others.
So, for example, baseballseason is upon us.
It requires three days, twoevenings and a Saturday.
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It can feel like a lot, but theperspective change can be we're
going out into the community.
We are being examples of Christto others who might not know him
and we're being gospelwitnesses, gospel opportunities.
There's a little boy that comesover almost daily to come play
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with the kids and sometimes Iwant to be like nah, but we
don't know why.
God is bringing him to our yardto play with our kids and I've
shared with the kids.
This is a gospel opportunity.
So the counselings and the thisand that.
So the counselings and the thisand that these are
opportunities to get outside ofourselves to minister to
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believers or to be gospelwitnesses to those in our
community and so coming out ofourselves.
In those difficult seasons, Ihad a friend when I was going
through a really difficult timeencourage me, serve someone,
serve someone, do something forsomeone.
Today, I was just thinking that,yeah even if it's encouraging
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text to someone, or bakingsomething for someone, or
whatever.
Do something for someone elsetoday to get out of your own
head, your own mind, your owntroubles, your own busyness, and
think about someone else.
Jonathan (24:05):
So this past week I was studying a lot on the
passage about deacons in 1Timothy 3.
And one of the verses not evenin there, but I was on that
theme that really jumped out tome was what Jesus says in
Matthew, chapter 20, where hesays that the son of man did not
come to be served, but to serveand to give his life as a
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ransom for many.
And that word there, to serve,is the root word where deacon
comes from and where Jesus isbasically saying I came to be a
deacon for you, to deacon foryou.
And then he says how he didthat in giving his life as a
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ransom for many.
And again, jesus is thesteadfast man, he is the
faithful one, he is the onlytrue one who has accomplished
all of these things.
He's the chief shepherd andhe's also the head deacon, and
that's the example there.
So your friend's advice isJesus' model.
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Yeah, and it's a beautiful thing.
Katelyn (25:15):
Yeah, when you were talking about the Galatians 6
passage, the verse following.
So you read and let us not growweary in doing good, for in due
season we will reap if we donot give up.
So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone,
and especially to those who arein the household of faith, and
so coupling those two versestogether really is kind of what
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we do.
Yeah, we're going to go throughhard seasons, we're going to
feel weary, we're going to feelanxious.
That's why God Jesus calls usto cast those anxieties and
burdens to him Amen.
But then let's when there'sopportunity, let's do good to
those outside of ourselves.
Jonathan (25:56):
Do you have a life verse?
Katelyn (25:58):
Yes.
Jonathan (25:59):
Philippians 1.27?
.
No oh.
Katelyn (26:02):
Philippians 1.27?
.
Jonathan (26:06):
No, oh, philippians 1.20.
Okay, yeah, you want to readthat for us.
Katelyn (26:14):
As it is my eager expectation and hope that I will
not be at all ashamed, but thatwith full courage, now as
always, christ will be honoredin my body, whether by life or
by death.
I've had that verse as my lifeverse since probably high school
.
Jonathan (26:24):
I think that verse applies really well to the
subject we've been talking about.
I knew that was your verse, Ijust the wrong reference.
I had the right book and theright chapter.
I was getting close there.
I mean I was only off, I meanliterally verse 27,.
Only let your manner of life beworthy of the gospel of Christ.
Where I see you close there, Imean I was only off, I mean
literally verse 27,.
Only let your manner of life beworthy of the gospel of Christ.
Where I see you are absent, Imay hear that you're standing
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firm, one spirit, one mind,striving side by side for the
faith of the gospel.
Katelyn (26:50):
All right, basically the same thing Close Cool.
Jonathan (26:56):
Yeah, yeah I don't have a life verse.
No, no, I thought it wasphilippians 3.
Uh, philippians 3 was one ofthe texts that god really used
to uh in my early conversionexperience.
Uh, whatever gain I had, Icount as loss.
For the sake of christ, indeed,I count everything as also kind
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of the same deal.
Katelyn (27:19):
No.
Jonathan (27:19):
I consider it rubbish.
Paul says no, but I haveadopted a verse that I would say
defines my philosophy andapproach to ministry and it's
kind of like my signature on myemails.
But 2 Corinthians 4, verse 1,paul says Therefore, having this
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ministry by the mercy of God,we do not lose heart.
And then he goes on to explainwhat an awesome gospel-centered
ministry is.
So that whole passage is likemy philosophy of ministry.
But I remind myself of that Onthe hard days of pastoral
ministry.
On the hard days of pastoralministry, on the hard days of
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parental ministry, on the harddays of loving my wife well and
seeking to be the man that God'scalled me to be, I need to be
reminded that I've been giventhis ministry by the mercy of
God and even when I fail to notlose heart because the
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wellspring of God's grace isoverflowing and I need to run
back to the cross.
I need to run to Jesus, wheremy faith is strengthened,
forgiveness is found and I'mrenewed, and I think that's so
helpful in order to remainsteadfast when things get hard.
Let's just switch gears here.
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I think that was really good.
Hopefully that's practicallyengaging and that can be helpful
to you.
Whatever you're facing.
Let's talk just a minute aboutwhat to expect coming up.
We're out of time.
Katelyn (29:02):
Yeah, so I think we definitely want to have weekly
episodes again.
Let's talk just a minute aboutwhat to expect coming up.
We're out of time, yeah.
So I think we definitely wantto have weekly episodes again.
They might be just you teaching, might be us talking, we're
committed to dropping weeklyepisodes.
Jonathan (29:13):
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Christ, pleasing God, helpingyou to live faithfully right.
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Like we're trying to do so andalso I just want to encourage
you.
If you were blessed by thisshow, I encourage you to maybe
share this episode with somebodythat you know that might need
to hear it and that we can be ablessing and an encouragement to
them.
We want to just help the bodyof Christ in this way.
So, yeah, weekly shows.
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We got the newsletter comingout.
I've got some special guestslined up, so there'll be some
solo episodes with me.
Kate, you're going to be on forat least 10 to 12 episodes this
season, talking faithfulnessand discipleship in the family,
talking about some other thingswith some of my pastor friends
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as well.
So I'm looking forward to theroad ahead, season four.
Hopefully it's a blessing andan encouragement to everyone who
listens.
Yep.
Any final thoughts?
Katelyn (30:49):
No.
Jonathan (30:50):
Well, I want to thank you for listening to the
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You can reach out at questionsat pleasinggodpodcastorg.
And remember 1 Thessalonians4.3,.
This is the will of God, yoursanctification.
Hi and welcome back to the Pleasing God podcast, a
show focused on helpingChristians to think biblically,
engage practically and livefaithfully for the glory of God.
I'm your host, jonathan Soule,and I'm joined with Kaitlin
Soule.
Hey, what's going on?
Katelyn (00:22):
Not much.
Jonathan (00:24):
Okay, well, what do you?
Katelyn (00:27):
want to talk about.
I think we're going to, in part, talk about just a fresh start
on the podcast.
Jonathan (00:32):
Season four Season four, episode one yes, all right
.
Katelyn (00:36):
So a little bit about that.
Jonathan (00:37):
Give a little life update where you've been.
We haven't heard your voice inmonths.
I think my last recording wasright before things got really,
really, really busy into thesummer.
So, yeah, we want to give someupdates on the podcast, talk a
little bit about where we'regoing, what we want to do in
season four, fresh start, rebootand also on this episode, I
(00:59):
want to talk about faithfulness.
And also on this episode, Iwant to talk about faithfulness,
remaining faithful, livingfaithfully even when it gets
hard.
Those hard seasons and I thinkwe've experienced some of them
Maybe we can share be anencouragement, help us to think
biblically, talk about itpractically, ultimately the
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point of the show to livefaithfully.
So I think it's a great thing totalk about.
Talk about, yeah, sure.
So I want to give some updates,want to just like let people
know what's been going on in thesoul home sure?
Katelyn (01:34):
uh well, we added two new members to our family, jack
and miles are they dogs?
No, they're twin boys, wow, sowe had them in February.
So obviously, with that, justfiguring out life as a family of
nine, seven children, yeah, sothat was a huge shift in our
(01:57):
life.
We've also had a lot ofministry over the summer, even
some difficulties in ministryover the summer, and then now
rolling into kind of those fallrhythms.
Jonathan (02:09):
I love the fall rhythms.
Katelyn (02:10):
Yeah.
Jonathan (02:11):
Kind of the back to school vibe.
Church schedule and work seemsto hit the norm and it's just
fun.
Katelyn (02:20):
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's crazy we have full, fullweeks.
But I like having the thingsthat kind of keep our family on
track, our rhythms.
So yeah.
Jonathan (02:30):
That sounds hard.
It's a lot.
Yeah, it's a lot.
So how do you remain faithfulin the midst of that hard?
I mean seven kids homeschooling.
Katelyn (02:44):
Yeah, faithful to what?
Faithful to the Lord, faithfulto the ministry that has for me
faithfulness in the church.
What do you mean by yes?
That's great, yeah.
Jonathan (02:57):
Can we talk a little?
Katelyn (02:58):
bit about that.
It's broad.
Jonathan (02:59):
Yeah, it's broad, but we're called to live lives of
faithfulness right.
I mean preaching through 1Timothy right now and the last
message on Paul's qualificationsfor deacons, and when he
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addresses the wives or the womenthere, one of the things that
he says of them is that they arefaithful in all things, and so
when you ask, that's a lot ofpressure.
Katelyn (03:25):
Whoa, yeah, it's a qualification for the office,
and so, yeah, just, I don't knowthinking about being faithful,
I think, thinking, if we'rethinking just in this past year,
seven, eight months, I think,taking it in season, so I would
(03:46):
say like the newborn stage, whenwe had two babies and we were
figuring out life, taking a stepback from kind of outside
duties, outside ministries,outside things and kind of
focusing on the family and beingfaithful within, just kind of
getting by to the next feedingor getting by to the end.
What I mean is the home and thefamily and the babies were what
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we were being faithful to for ashort amount of time.
Jonathan (04:11):
Sure, and even still.
I mean they're still alive.
Katelyn (04:15):
Yes, but there's a lot of learning and growing and
change, and God was faithful tous in our relationship, being
able to maneuver a lot of movingparts within our family and
still giving the other five whatthey needed as well.
Then, as we adjusted to that,going into the summer and just
(04:37):
being faithful in each ministrytask that we were given and
needed to get done, and somaking sure that I was being
faithful and diligent in that.
You had plenty of ministry inthe summer as well, yeah, so
it's a very broad question, Ithink being faithful to the Lord
(04:57):
and what he has given us tosteward our family, our ministry
, and being faithful to ourfamily and helping everyone
adjust to these new seasons.
Jonathan (05:09):
Yeah, I totally agree.
I mean, when we think aboutfaithfulness in these hard
seasons or in trying times, it'skind of like that's when it's
tested, Like it's sometimes itcan be easy to be faithful when
things are just kind of goingwell and there's not a lot of
(05:30):
pressure, but when pressure andhard times come, that's really
the test there.
And it reminds me actually whatJames says in James, chapter
one, verse two.
He says count it all.
Joy, my brothers and sisters,when you meet trials of various
kinds, For you know that thetesting of your faith produces
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steadfastness.
And let steadfastness have itsfull effect, that you may be
perfect and complete, lacking innothing.
And I think we're using the wordfaithfulness and steadfastness
at least in my mind.
I'm kind of using thatinterchangeably.
Like how do you remainsteadfast in the things that God
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has given you when it gets hard?
Because, truth be told, thereare times when it gets like
really, really hard and you'relike I don't want to do this
anymore or like I'm just goingto cut a corner on this one.
Or you know, I'm going to bekind of steadfast in this, but
maybe not as well as I should.
(06:35):
But james here kind of says hey,you need to count it as joy
when you meet that hard thing,and I'm I just kind of wonder
how can he say that it seems tobe like in our lives or in
general.
When you think about what hesays here, that's the complete
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opposite of how anyone reacts totrials and hard things.
And I, full confession, when Iface really hard things, the
last thing on my mind iscounting it as joy.
I want to figure out how do Iget out of this.
Most of the time as a man, I'mjust like okay, what's the path?
How do I do this, how do Inavigate this and go to the next
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thing, and the danger with thatis I can miss the point of that
hard thing and fail here to seethat this is a testing of faith
, to produce a stronger faith.
Katelyn (07:34):
I think we saw an element of that over the summer.
We went through somethingwithin ministry that was not
just ministry, it was personal,it felt personal, it was, it was
.
It wasn't just oh, it was justan outside ministry thing.
It was something that wasdifficult and emotionally,
physically, mentally taxing.
(07:55):
And, um, there were definitelytimes I looked at you and you I
was like want to just like getin the car and just like go.
We don't even have to have aplace to go, like let's just
drive.
Sounds like a country song,like let's just get in the car
and go.
And so there were definitelytimes where we kind of had to
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together, look at each other andbe like no, this is what God
has for us, this is what God isbringing us in, and we need to
be steadfast, like you'retalking about.
Jonathan (08:29):
And I think you hit on a good practical point too.
So we think biblically engagepractically.
So one of the ways in which wehave been able to remain
steadfast in the midst of hardthings is our relationship right
, so that when something hardcomes your way or my way, we
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might be dealing with itpersonally, but we share that
and it helps us to carry theload together.
It's so I think it's been sohelpful for me, and I'm sure for
you as well, just to know thatI'm not carrying this hard thing
alone or I'm not in this trialby myself.
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I might carry the lion's shareof the load, the majority, but
I'm not alone.
And I think, practicallyspeaking, whenever we face
something hard, whenever we havea trial, it is helpful, it is
extremely beneficial to sharethat load, to have someone or a
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group of people that are bearingyour burden with you, and that
because trials can lead toisolation, great loneliness and
put people into some really darkplaces.
And one of the helpful ways toovercome that and when I'm down,
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I mean two is better than one.
I mean we know that fromSolomon and I need you to lift
me up, I need you to speak thatgood word of encouragement or
just be next to me, and I thinkthat's so helpful.
Vice versa, it's the beauty ofrelationships, so certainly
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thankful for godly relationships, meaningful relationships that
go well below the surface, and Ithink it's a practical way to
help spur on steadfastness inthe midst of hard Anything that
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you could think of.
That's a real practical way towork out this faithfulness, the
steadfastness.
Katelyn (10:47):
Well, of course it's definitely important to be in
the Word in prayer.
I struggle personally withbeing in the Word daily.
It's always been kind of astruggle for me.
But making an effort to be inthe Word, to know the Lord, to
be more like Christ, which Imean he was the ultimate example
of faithfulness.
I mean he was busy, the LordJesus was busy, and he still
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made time to make prayer apriority, communion with his
Father, and he served people sofaithfully and he taught his
disciples so faithfully and so,being in the word, living out
the example that Christ set out,just taking it a day at a time.
Jonathan (11:33):
Yeah, that's so good too, really just taking it a day
at a time.
Yeah, certainly we can'toverstate spiritual disciplines
or habits of grace, whatever wewant to call them that build our
spiritual formation, ourspirituality as we face
difficulties.
I mean, the scriptures are thesource of encouragement.
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We shouldn't just go look forencouragement everywhere else,
but the word, the word of Christ, is to dwell in us richly.
And I just think of plenty ofscriptures that come to mind
that have been helpful to me.
And so I would just double downon that Deposit scripture into
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your mind and into your heartbefore the hard and trial comes,
so that when the trial and thehard thing does come, the Holy
Spirit will call to remembrancethe things that you have put in.
I'm not a mystic.
The Holy Spirit is not going tobring to me a Bible verse that
I've never read before.
I'm not going to get newinformation in my mind and in my
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heart that I have not oncedeposited there.
You know Psalm 119, the psalmistis soaking in, hiding God's
word in his heart.
His word is a lamp to his feet,a light to his path.
He needs that illumination andthat guidance.
But he's meditating on his law.
I mean the blessed man of Psalm1, he's blessed because on his
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law, on God's law, he meditatesday and night, and so that
blessed life doesn't mean he'snot going to face trials or hard
things, but he's done thenecessary things so that when
those things come up, he'sequipped and he's ready.
Yeah, I'm reminded of what Paulsays in Galatians 6, verse 9,
where he says Let us not growweary of doing good, for in due
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season we will reap if we do notgive up.
And even that verse there justa source of encouragement.
As you're facing something hard,as you're going through trial,
as your mom raising sevenchildren with infant or newborn
young twins, whether you're awidow and you're suffering and
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you're going through justremembering your spouse, or
you're working long hours,you're at the season of life
where you just feel like you'regrinding away and you're getting
up early, you're staying uplate, you're working a ton of
hours just because that's whereyou are in life.
You're struggling with healthcrisis, you're battling cancer.
(14:13):
Someone you know is reallygoing through a hard, hard time.
The trials are endless, thehard things are all over the
place.
Maybe you're in a season whereyou're having great marital
difficulties.
You feel like you're just shipspassing in the night and you
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know you need to improve it,whatever it might be, and I'm
sure that we could think of manyother hard things that people
are facing.
Do not grow weary in doing good,and that's the point that's
being made here is yes, thereare hard things, but we're
called to be faithful in thosethings and there's a promise
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that's made even in this verseIn the midst of the trial,
remain steadfast, do not growweary in doing good, because the
promise that is made there isthat in the due season you will
reap.
Like one of my favorite lines,and it's not so much in modern
translations, but you would readlike older translations, like
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it came to pass, you know, and Ithink about.
It's not what they mean, butlike hard things come and then
they pass.
They come and go, like there'sseasons and we just need to
recognize that, like while we'rein that season, it's not
forever.
Katelyn (15:33):
Yeah, and I think this also translates not just in like
a difficult season, but evenjust a busy season or a full
season, or even a season whereit's you don't really have a lot
going on and it's it's a quietseason.
We're still called to do welland we're still called to be
faithful and not coast when it'seasy and still be diligent.
(15:56):
But, yeah, I think we're we'refocusing a lot on on difficult
season, but even just a seasonthat's just busy might not be
difficult necessarily, but justthere's a lot going on and so,
um, yeah, I think thattranslates into all of it.
Jonathan (16:11):
That's hard too.
That's a trial too, the trialof balancing time, juggling all
the responsibilities.
That's hard.
It might not be okay.
Some of the things I talkedabout just like really difficult
insofar as, like health orfailing relationships, it might
just be looking at the calendarand saying, whoa, there's
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something every day.
Katelyn (16:34):
This week, I think that's where I'm at right now is
just there is something everyday filling our time for 12
hours, and it's a lot.
It's a lot.
Jonathan (16:42):
Yeah, and the call there remain steadfast, and that
even in those things your faithis going to be tested.
You're going to feel likethere's not enough hours in the
day to get the things done thatI need, and you got to rely on
God's grace and his provisionfor you.
Katelyn (17:00):
There are several times , multiple times in the day,
where I'm literally justrepeating do not grow weary in
doing well, do not grow weary indoing well.
And just even having thatsimple reminder, that simple
encouragement to myself,preaching the gospel to myself,
that I'm doing this for Jesus.
Jonathan (17:17):
Okay, there's another practical way to remain
steadfast in hard full seasonsof life.
So we talk about relying onrelationships that load sharing.
We talk about being in the wordand depositing the scripture
and, ultimately, I think,preaching the gospel to yourself
(17:38):
.
A gospel of grace, not of lawtoo.
A gospel of grace, not of lawtoo.
And I think some of us,depending on kind of where we
are on the spectrum, might needto be giving ourselves a little
more grace.
Katelyn (17:53):
Totally.
Jonathan (17:54):
Because we could be our own worst critics.
We can be very hard onourselves and you know what you
might have that super full lifeand you didn't get to everything
on your list.
That day it's okay.
Katelyn (18:07):
Yeah, that's a struggle for me.
You know that that's a strugglefor me, yeah.
Jonathan (18:11):
Jesus loves you the same.
And now we don't give ourselvesa license to just be lazy.
But we have to recognize thatwe might not get everything done
on our list that day.
And it'll be there tomorrow,yeah, it'll certainly be there
tomorrow.
Katelyn (18:29):
It'll just we'll add on to the next day.
Tack it on, yeah.
Jonathan (18:34):
But certainly again, just the desire to remain
steadfast.
And then the fourth thing I canthink of practically is
perspective, Our perspective onhard, full difficulties, trials,
seasons.
How we think and how our mindis shaped by what we're facing
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will determine how we will actabout that.
So what's the perspective onhard things?
This stinks.
Why is this happening to me?
How do I get out of this?
I would say that that beginsthe cycle of negative thinking.
I call it stinking thinking.
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Tells us what the perspective isfrom the beginning, counted all
joy, and I started by askinghow can he do that?
That seems opposite toeverything and the answer is
because he knows the outcome andso it's so hard.
And this is why I need everyother part of those practical
things in my life to remind meand to point me and to help
shape my perspective.
But it's the outcome of thehard thing, the busy season,
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that James is looking forward to.
He's looking past what is hard,to what is lasting, and that's
where he says that you might beperfect and complete, lacking in
nothing, a well-equipped,steadfast, faithful person.
It's as though every trial,every difficult season comes
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your way and as you are relyingon God's grace and His means of
grace, all the things that weare talking about here.
You get a little bit strongerand then you just get a little
bit stronger.
It's kind of like liftingweights right or exercising.
Katelyn (20:30):
The first day that you do exercise is really hard right
and the next few days afterbecause you're sore.
Jonathan (20:36):
Okay, and then you stick with it and you stick with
it and you're always doingsomething hard, but after three
months you look back.
If you're always doingsomething hard, but after three
months you look back, if you'retracking your progress and you'd
say I never thought I could runthat far or lift that much
weight, right, but I'mprogressively getting stronger,
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I'm becoming more steadfast, I'mbecoming, you know, as I'm
facing these kinds of dailytrials in the gym or running.
And I think that's what Jamesis looking at and you can count
it joy, not because necessarilyyou're happy about a trial, but
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you know what it will produce inyou.
By remaining steadfast, yourfaith is strengthened, your
trust in God grows, you're moreholy.
Ultimately, you're becomingmore like Jesus, through the
right perspective, preaching thegospel to yourself, relying on
God's word and havingrelationships with people.
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Ultimately, the place thatthat's found is in the church.
Right To go through hard thingswithout a church.
I couldn't imagine the churchis so life-giving in that it is
helpful.
Think about the community,think about even.
You know when you had twins,how the church rallied around
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and was such a help to you.
Katelyn (21:59):
Oh yeah, we had meals for I don't know a month and a
half, maybe People coming overto take the big kids to go play,
or my mom coming over, or momscoming over and cleaning our
house for us and doing laundry.
My mom still does laundry oftenfor us, which is a huge help,
but yeah, for sure.
(22:22):
Along with the perspectiveaspect, though, that you were
talking about.
Yes, we can look and say youknow, we're going to become more
Christlike through this, butalso having the perspective of
getting out of myself andlooking to others.
So, for example, baseballseason is upon us.
It requires three days, twoevenings and a Saturday.
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It can feel like a lot, but theperspective change can be we're
going out into the community.
We are being examples of Christto others who might not know him
and we're being gospelwitnesses, gospel opportunities.
There's a little boy that comesover almost daily to come play
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with the kids and sometimes Iwant to be like nah, but we
don't know why.
God is bringing him to our yardto play with our kids and I've
shared with the kids.
This is a gospel opportunity.
So the counselings and the thisand that.
So the counselings and the thisand that these are
opportunities to get outside ofourselves to minister to
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believers or to be gospelwitnesses to those in our
community and so coming out ofourselves.
In those difficult seasons, Ihad a friend when I was going
through a really difficult timeencourage me, serve someone,
serve someone, do something forsomeone.
Today, I was just thinking that,yeah even if it's encouraging
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text to someone, or bakingsomething for someone, or
whatever.
Do something for someone elsetoday to get out of your own
head, your own mind, your owntroubles, your own busyness, and
think about someone else.
Jonathan (24:05):
So this past week I was studying a lot on the
passage about deacons in 1Timothy 3.
And one of the verses not evenin there, but I was on that
theme that really jumped out tome was what Jesus says in
Matthew, chapter 20, where hesays that the son of man did not
come to be served, but to serveand to give his life as a
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ransom for many.
And that word there, to serve,is the root word where deacon
comes from and where Jesus isbasically saying I came to be a
deacon for you, to deacon foryou.
And then he says how he didthat in giving his life as a
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ransom for many.
And again, jesus is thesteadfast man, he is the
faithful one, he is the onlytrue one who has accomplished
all of these things.
He's the chief shepherd andhe's also the head deacon, and
that's the example there.
So your friend's advice isJesus' model.
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Yeah, and it's a beautiful thing.
Katelyn (25:15):
Yeah, when you were talking about the Galatians 6
passage, the verse following.
So you read and let us not growweary in doing good, for in due
season we will reap if we donot give up.
So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone,
and especially to those who arein the household of faith, and
so coupling those two versestogether really is kind of what
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we do.
Yeah, we're going to go throughhard seasons, we're going to
feel weary, we're going to feelanxious.
That's why God Jesus calls usto cast those anxieties and
burdens to him Amen.
But then let's when there'sopportunity, let's do good to
those outside of ourselves.
Jonathan (25:56):
Do you have a life verse?
Katelyn (25:58):
Yes.
Jonathan (25:59):
Philippians 1.27?
.
No oh.
Katelyn (26:02):
Philippians 1.27?
.
Jonathan (26:06):
No, oh, philippians 1.20.
Okay, yeah, you want to readthat for us.
Katelyn (26:14):
As it is my eager expectation and hope that I will
not be at all ashamed, but thatwith full courage, now as
always, christ will be honoredin my body, whether by life or
by death.
I've had that verse as my lifeverse since probably high school
.
Jonathan (26:24):
I think that verse applies really well to the
subject we've been talking about.
I knew that was your verse, Ijust the wrong reference.
I had the right book and theright chapter.
I was getting close there.
I mean I was only off, I meanliterally verse 27,.
Only let your manner of life beworthy of the gospel of Christ.
Where I see you close there, Imean I was only off, I mean
literally verse 27,.
Only let your manner of life beworthy of the gospel of Christ.
Where I see you are absent, Imay hear that you're standing
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firm, one spirit, one mind,striving side by side for the
faith of the gospel.
Katelyn (26:50):
All right, basically the same thing Close Cool.
Jonathan (26:56):
Yeah, yeah I don't have a life verse.
No, no, I thought it wasphilippians 3.
Uh, philippians 3 was one ofthe texts that god really used
to uh in my early conversionexperience.
Uh, whatever gain I had, Icount as loss.
For the sake of christ, indeed,I count everything as also kind
(27:17):
of the same deal.
Katelyn (27:19):
No.
Jonathan (27:19):
I consider it rubbish.
Paul says no, but I haveadopted a verse that I would say
defines my philosophy andapproach to ministry and it's
kind of like my signature on myemails.
But 2 Corinthians 4, verse 1,paul says Therefore, having this
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ministry by the mercy of God,we do not lose heart.
And then he goes on to explainwhat an awesome gospel-centered
ministry is.
So that whole passage is likemy philosophy of ministry.
But I remind myself of that Onthe hard days of pastoral
ministry.
On the hard days of pastoralministry, on the hard days of
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parental ministry, on the harddays of loving my wife well and
seeking to be the man that God'scalled me to be, I need to be
reminded that I've been giventhis ministry by the mercy of
God and even when I fail to notlose heart because the
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wellspring of God's grace isoverflowing and I need to run
back to the cross.
I need to run to Jesus, wheremy faith is strengthened,
forgiveness is found and I'mrenewed, and I think that's so
helpful in order to remainsteadfast when things get hard.
Let's just switch gears here.
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I think that was really good.
Hopefully that's practicallyengaging and that can be helpful
to you.
Whatever you're facing.
Let's talk just a minute aboutwhat to expect coming up.
We're out of time.
Katelyn (29:02):
Yeah, so I think we definitely want to have weekly
episodes again.
Let's talk just a minute aboutwhat to expect coming up.
We're out of time, yeah.
So I think we definitely wantto have weekly episodes again.
They might be just you teaching, might be us talking, we're
committed to dropping weeklyepisodes.
Jonathan (29:13):
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