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SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
All right, let me get to my notes.
So last week we talked aboutMKUltra and their horrible human
experimentations.
Yes.
This week we're gonna talk aboutJapan and their horrible human
exp uh experimentations.
Oh good.
Yes, and this um we're gonna betalking about unit 731 and unit
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731 and Project Artichokehappened at the same time.
Oh yes.
So worldwide we people are beingones doing it.
Ha ha.
Nope.
But remember where some of ourconcentration camps or or
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detention centers were, thedetainment centers?
Where we like put them in otherplaces?
One of them was Japan.
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (02:54):
I did not know that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:55):
Unit 731, officially known as I'm just gonna
apologize right now.
This is in Japan.
Names.
SPEAKER_02 (03:04):
I know exactly what it is.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
I am not Japanese.
Yeah.
I have never been to Japan.
I am going to pronounce 100% ofthese names wrong, and I
apologize sincerely.
I'm very, very, very sorry fromthe beginning.
Um and also trigger warning foreverything.
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Just in general.
Just if you think it might be atrigger warning, I'm probably
gonna talk about it.
Okay, great.
Unit 731, officially known asthe Manchu Detachment 731, and
also referred to as CamoDetachment and the Ishii Unit,
was a secret research facilityoperated by the Imperial
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Japanese Army between 1933 and1945.
It was located in Pingfengdistrict of Harbin.
That was the most American way Icould have said that.
I'm sorry.
In the Japanese puppet stateManchukoyu, now part of
Northeast China.
unknown (04:10):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
And maintained multiple branches across
mainland China and SoutheastAsia.
The Empire of Japan initiatedits biological weapons program
during the 1930s due to theprohibition of the biological
weapons and interstate conflictsby the Geneva Protocol in 1925.
They reasoned that the banimplied their efficiency as
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weapons.
Japan's occupation of Manchuriabegan in 1931 after the Japanese
invasion of Manchuria.
I I can hear my white voicesaying it and I'm cringing
inside.
Japan decided to build Unit 731in Manchuria because the
occupation not only gave theJapanese an advantage of
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separating the research stationfrom their island, but also gave
them access to many Jap Chineseindividuals as they wanted to
use for test subjects.
SPEAKER_02 (05:08):
So Japan and China are fighting.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Forever.
Okay.
Yeah.
They've always been fighting.
There's okay.
Yeah, they're still not gotcha.
Still not cool.
Nope.
You're gonna find out why.
Okay.
Yeah, no, uh, China and Japannever really don't get along.
Okay.
Been close.
Um they viewed the Chinese as nocost assets and hoped this ready
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supply of test subjects wouldgive them a competitive
advantage in the biologicalwarfare.
unknown (05:38):
Jeez.
SPEAKER_01 (05:38):
Most of the victims were Chinese, but many victims
were also of differentnationalities.
These facilities contained morethan just medical research and
experimentation areas.
They also included spaces fordetaining victims, essentially
functioning as prisons as well.
The research and experimentationrooms were constructed around
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the detention area, allowingresearch to conduct their daily
work while monitoring theprisoners.
Founded in 1933, Unit 731expanded to include 3,000 staff
members, 150 structures, and thecapacity to detain up to 600
prisoners concurrently forexperimentational purposes.
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Wow.
Unit 731 was the first ofseveral covert units established
as offshoots of the researchlab, serving as field station
and experimentational sites toadvantage to advance biological
warfare techniques.
Under the direction of ShiroIshii, the Epidemic Prevention
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Research Laboratory wasestablished following his return
from a two-year exploration ofAmerican and European research
institutions.
With the endorsement ofhigh-ranking military officials,
it was established for thepurpose of developing biological
weapons.
Ishii aimed to create biologicalweapons with humans as their
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intended victims, and Unit 731was formed specifically to
pursue this objective.
Ishii organized a secretresearch group, the Togo Unit,
for chemical and biological operexperimentation in Manchuria.
Wow.
In 1936, and again, triggerwarnings for it all.
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In 1936, Emperor Hirohito issueda decree authorizing the
expansion of the unit and itsinterrogation to the Quantong
Army as the Epidemic PreventionDepartment.
It was divided at that time tothe Ishii Unit and the
Wakamatasu Unit with a base inXingjin.
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From 1940 on, the units wereknown collectively as the
Epidemic Prevention and WaterPurification Department of the
Kwantong Army or Unit 741 forshort.
Unit Togo was set into motion inthe Zongma Fortress, a prison
and experimentation camp inBianchi, a village 100
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kilometers or 62 miles south ofHarbin on the South Manchara
Railway.
The prisoners brought to Zhangmaincluded common criminals,
captured bandits, andanti-Japanese partisans, as well
as political prisoners andpeople rounded up on false
charges by the compete.
SPEAKER_02 (08:38):
So like the Japanese Nazis?
Yeah.
No.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
Prisoners were generally well fed on a diet of
rice or wheat, meat, fish, andoccasionally even alcohol in
order to be a normal health atthe beginning of the
experiments.
Then over several days,prisoners were eventually
drained of blood and deprived ofnutrients and water.
Their deteriorating health wasrecorded.
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Some were also vissected.
Others were deliberatelyinfected with plague bacteria
and other microbes.
A prison break in the autumn of1934, which jeopardized the
facility's secrecy and anexplosion in 1935, which was
believed to be by sabotage, ledIshii to shut down the Zongma
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fortress.
He then received authorizationto relocate to Pingfeng,
approximately 24 kilometers or15 miles south of Harbin, to
establish a new, much largerfacility.
SPEAKER_02 (09:38):
Drain their blood?
Yes.
Ew.
SPEAKER_01 (09:41):
The military police and the special service agency
were responsible for locatingvictims to serve as test
subjects for the unit, while agroup of physicians was tasked
with maintaining the health ofvictims and dispatching them for
experimentation.
Human experiments involvedintentionally infecting
captives, particularly Chineseprisoners of war and civilians
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with disease-causing agents andexposing them to bombs designed
to disperse infectioussubstances upon contact with the
skin.
There are no records indicatingany survivors from these
experiments.
Those who did not die frominfection were murdered for
autopsy analysis.
SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
After human experimentations, researchers
commonly used either potassiumcyanide or chlorofoam to kill
survivors.
That's crazy.
That's horrible.
According to American historianSheldon H.
Harris, the Togo unit employedgruesome tactics to secure
specimens of select body organs.
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If Ishii or one of his coworkerswished to do research on the
human brain, they would orderthe guards to find them a useful
sample.
A prisoner would be taken from acell, guards would hold him down
while another guard would smashthe victim's head open with an
axe.
His brain would be extracted offto the pathologist and then the
crematorium for the usualdisposal.
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Prisoners were injected withdiseases disguised as vaccines
to study their effects.
To study the effect of untreatedvenereal diseases, men and
female prisoners weredeliberately infected with
syphilis and gonorrhea, thenstudied.
A special project codenamedMauta Maruta used human beings
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for experiments.
Test subjects were gathered fromthe surrounding population and
sometimes referred to as logs,as in how many logs fell.
This term originated as a staffjoke because the official cover
story for the facility given tolocal authorities was that it
was a lumber mill.
SPEAKER_02 (11:47):
Oh my gosh.
So far, I'm gonna argue thatthis is worse than MK Ultra.
Yeah, I didn't say it wasn't.
Yeah, no, I know.
I just I'm putting it out there,I feel like, of the two.
SPEAKER_01 (11:59):
Yeah, I mean, one is physical torture, the other one
is psychological torture.
I don't think we can compare it.
Yeah, it's not.
They're both they're both bad.
Um and there's a reason that theCIA didn't really do this, but
we will get into that.
Okay.
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Thousands of men, women,children, and infants interned
at the prisoner of war campswere subjected to bisections,
which is a surgery conducted forexperimental purposes on a
living organism, typicallyanimals with central nervous
systems, to view the livinginternal structure.
It was often performed withoutanesthesia and usually lethal.
SPEAKER_02 (12:45):
I was just gonna say, I bet this is without
anesthesia, too.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
So yeah.
In a video interview, formerUnit 731 member Aqua Fukumatasu
admitting to having bisected apregnant woman.
Visection were performed onprisoners after infecting them
with various diseases, removingorgans to study the effects of
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the disease on the human body.
I I will say America has donethis many times, but we don't
talk about it because they onlydid it to black women.
So I don't like that.
They used to say that uh blackwomen were couldn't feel pain.
Couldn't feel pain, so theywould never use anesthesia.
So they would just cut them openwithout it.
SPEAKER_02 (13:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:33):
So yeah, it's not just Japan.
Yeah.
Again, if there's evil to behad, it's been done here.
Right.
Prisoners had limbs amputated inorder to study blood loss.
Limbs removed were off weresometimes reattached to the
opposite side of the victim'sbody.
Some prisoners had theirstomachs surgically removed and
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their esophagus reattached totheir intestines.
Parts of the organs such asbrain, lungs, and liver were
removed from others.
Imperial Japanese Army surgeonKen Yuasa said that the
practicing vivation on or onhuman subjects was bright spread
even outside Unit 731,estimating that 1,000 Japanese
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personnel were involved in thepractice in mainland China.
Yusa said that when he performedvice actions on captives, they
were all for practice ratherthan for research, and that the
such practices were routineamong Japanese doctors stationed
in China during the war.
The New York Times interviewed aformer member of Unit 731,
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insisting on anom on in the non-Oh my god, I can't talk today.
Anonymity?
Anonymity.
Thank you.
Insisting on anonym insisting onanything.
They wanted to be anonymous.
Anonymity.
A man anemone.
Anonymity.
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They wanted to be anonymous.
Yep.
Anony.
The former Japanese medicalassistant recounted his first
experience in bisecting a livehuman being who had been
deliberately infected with theplague for the purpose of
developing plague bombs for thewar.
Uh the sorry.
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It's okay.
So this is a quote from him.
Okay.
Um The fellow knew that it wasover for him, so he didn't
struggle when they laid him inthe room and tied him down.
But when I picked up thescalpel, that's when he began
screaming.
I cut him open from the chest tothe stomach, and he screamed
terribly.
And his face was twisted inagony.
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He made this horrible,unimaginable sound, and he was
screaming so horribly.
And then he finally stopped.
And this was all in a day's workfor surgeons, but it but it
really left an impression on mebecause it was my first time.
That's so horrible.
I don't feel bad for him.
Fuck it.
SPEAKER_02 (16:04):
Not the guy right.
No, I'm personal on me.
I don't care.
Yeah, I hope it haunts you.
Ugh.
SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
Unit 731 and its affiliated units, Unit 1644 and
Unit 100, among others, wereinvolved in research development
and experimental deployment ofepidemic creating biological
weapons and assaults against theChinese populace, both military
and civilian, throughout WorldWar II.
By 1939, Ishii had condensed hislaboratory discoveries to six
potent pathogens (16:37):
anthrax, typhoid, paratyphoid, glanders,
descentary, and plague-infectedhuman fleas.
Ew.
These agents were robust enoughto ignite epidemics of cons of
considerable magnitude andresilient to aerial dispersal.
This marked the initiation of alater phase of Ishii's elaborate
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screen scheme, conducting fieldtrial through military
expeditions on unsuspectingcivilians, aiming to devise a
method of dissemination thatwould efficiently spread the
pathogens in optimalconcentrations for maximum
devastation.
His experiments involveddeveloping biodegradable bombs
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that house live rats and fleasinfected with diseases designed
to explode mid-air, ensuring thesafe defense descent of the
infected creatures to theground.
Additionally, he deployed birdsand bird feathers contaminated
with anthrax for low-flyingaircrafts.
SPEAKER_02 (17:36):
How you have to be like you have to have so much
time to think about all of thesethings.
That is crazy.
Like who how did you even comeup with this?
Like what your first thoughtwas, oh, we need biomedical
weapons.
SPEAKER_01 (17:52):
Steppen said that, like, or at the beginning, it
said that like he was on atwo-year expedition looking at
American and European researchcenters, and then he came back
and started working on this.
So what did he see in Americaand Europe during World War II?
SPEAKER_02 (18:09):
Eugenics, uh definitely.
SPEAKER_01 (18:11):
I mean, we just read last week about I mean, not last
week, yeah, but we just read afew minutes ago everything that
I said that the Nazis were doingthat became ultra or MK Ultra.
SPEAKER_02 (18:22):
Ultra, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:23):
And this was happening at the same time that
they were doing projectartichokes.
So, like, what else were theydoing that was destroyed in the
files?
SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
Oh, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (18:34):
We'll never know.
No, we won't.
Because they were destroyed.
Human targets were used to testgrenades at various distances
and positions.
Flamethrowers were tested onpeople.
Victims were also tied to stakesand used as victims to test
pathogen releasing bombs,chemical weapons, and sharp
shrapnel bombs with varyingamounts of fragments and
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explosive bombs as well asbayonets and knives.
My God.
A quote saying, to determine thebest course of treatment for
varying degrees of sharpenelwounds sustained on the field by
Japanese soldiers, Chineseprisoners were exposed to direct
bomb blasts.
They were strapped unprotectedto wooden planks that were
stacked into the ground atincreasing distances around a
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bomb that was then detonated.
It was surgery for mostautopsies for the rest.
Unit members orchestrated forcedsex acts between infected and
non-infected prisoners totransmit syphilis as the
testimony of prison guard on thesubject of devising a method for
transmission of syphilis betweenvictims.
SPEAKER_02 (19:40):
I was wondering when that was gonna happen.
I knew that forced sex wascoming.
SPEAKER_01 (19:45):
Yeah, of course.
Um, so one of the prison guardssaid about this method of
transmission.
Infection of venereal diseasesby injection was abandoned, and
the researchers started forcingthe prisoners into sexual acts
with each other.
Four or five unit membersdressed in white laboratory
clothing, completely coveringthe body with only eyes and
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mouths visible, rest covered,handled the tests.
A male and female, when infectedwith syphilis, would be brought
together in a cell and forcedinto sex with each other.
It was made clear that anyoneresisting would be shot.
I feel like I would rather getshot.
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Me too.
Me too.
After victims were infected,they were bisected at different
stages of infection so that theinternal and external organs
could be absorbed as the diseaseprogressed.
Testimony from multiple guardsblames the victim or the female
victims as being host of thediseases, even though they were
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forcibly infected.
SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
Ew.
That's disgusting.
This is so gross.
I wish I was done.
Yeah, I wish so too.
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
This is not funny.
No.
Female prisoners were forced tobecome pregnant for use in
experiments.
The hypothetic the hypotheticalpossibility of vertical
transmission, which means likepassing it from the mother to
the daughter, of diseases,particularly syphilis, was the
stated reason for that torture.
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Fetal survival and damage to themother's reproductive organs
were objects of interest, thougha large number of babies were
born in captivity.
There were no accounts of anysurvivors of Unit 731, children
included.
It is suspected that thechildren of the female prisoners
were killed after birth oraborted.
SPEAKER_02 (21:53):
Oh, so these like accounts, the quotes that you're
they're all from prison guards.
There.
Yeah.
Victims.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
Yep.
While male prisoners were oftenused in single studies so that
the results of theexperimentation on them would
not be clouded by othervariables, women were sometimes
used in bacteriological orphysiological experiments, sex
experiments, and the victims ofsex crimes.
The testimony of a unit memberthat served as a guard
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graphically demonstrated thisreality.
And he quotes (22:26):
One of the former researches I located told me
that one day he had a humanexperiment scheduled, but there
was still time to kill.
So he and another unit membertook the keys out of the cell
and opened one of the ones thathoused a Chinese woman.
One of the unit members rapedher.
The other member took the keysand opened another cell.
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There was a Chinese woman inthere who had been used in a
frostbite experiment.
She still had several fingersmissing and her bones were black
with gangrene set in.
He was about to rape her,anyways.
Then he saw that her sex organwas festering with pus oozing to
the surface, so he gave up thatidea, left and locked the door,
then later went back to hisexperimental work.
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Unit 731 conducted a wide rangeof experiments beyond biological
warfare, including torture,chemical exposure, and
physiological manipulation.
Prisoners were subjected toextreme methods of physical
stress, including prolongedstarvation and dehydration,
exposure to low pressurechambers until their eyes burst,
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suspension upside down untildeath, crushing with heavy
objects, electrocution, forceddehydration using hot air fans,
spinning and centrifuges untildeath, exposure to extreme heat
and burns, injection with animalblood, injection with seawater,
burning alive or alive burial.
SPEAKER_02 (23:52):
At what point there's no way that all of this,
I mean, you said that the pointof some of this is literally
just torture.
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
Yeah.
100%.
SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
There's no way that you can make a scientific
argument for honestly, even thescientific purposes.
It's disgusting.
SPEAKER_01 (24:10):
Yeah, I mean, and that's what they said with the
MK Ultra.
Like eventually they're like,there's no research purposes.
They were just like, what ifthis happens and tried it?
Right.
Like to be able to even do thiskind of stuff in the name of
scientific research, you have tobe broken.
You have to be evil.
Yeah.
So it's pretty easy to see.
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And and to sign up to be like aguard here and to witness it,
again, you have to be apsychopath.
There has to be something wrongwith you.
So it's not hard to imagine thatthe people who would be involved
in the scientific part of thiswould easily just go to torture.
SPEAKER_02 (24:49):
Yeah, just translate.
SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
It was said that a small number of these poor men,
women, and children were alsomummified alive in total
dehydration experiments.
They sweated themselves to deathunder the heat of several hot
dry fans.
At death, the corpses would onlyweigh about a fifth of normal
body weight.
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Victims were also exposed to awide range of toxic agents,
including mustard gas, luazite,cyanic acid gas, white
phosphorus, atamcyte, andphosgen.
I probably pronounced a coupleof those wrong, I'm sorry.
Unit 731 operated a facilitydedicated to gas chamber
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experiments.
Again, he studied in Europe.
Victims were placed in sealedchambers wearing either full
uniform, partial gear, or noprotection.
A former army major and laterprofessor recalled, in 1943, I
attended a poison gas test heldat the Unit 731 test facilities.
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A glass walled chamber aboutthree meters square, 97 square
foot, and two meters, 6.6 feet,high, was used, and inside it a
Chinese man was blindfolded withhis hands tied around a post
behind him.
The gas was atomcy, which issneezing d sneezing gas.
And as the gas filled thechamber, the man went into a
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violent coughing convulsion andbegan to suffer extre
extrusiating pain.
More than ten doctors andtechnicians were present.
After I watched for about 10minutes, I could not stand it
anymore and left the area.
I understand that other types ofgases were also tested there.
SPEAKER_02 (26:40):
I just don't understand how this was allowed
for so long.
SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
For s it was only I know I'm not gonna say like it
was only but it was only a fewyears ago.
It went from like, what did Isay?
SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
30 nine to 43, I think is.
SPEAKER_01 (27:01):
Yeah, something so it really wasn't that I mean
that is years of torture to theChinese, so I'm not trying to
like downplay it, downplay it,but it compared to yeah, 1933 to
1945, so it was oh I guess thatwas a while.
That's still 10 years.
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Oh that okay, yeah.
I thought it was shorter in mymind, sorry.
12 years is a long time oftorture.
SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
It is a long time, and I just don't understand,
like, where are where are thepolice?
I mean, these are the police,that's the whole thing.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
Oh and they were hiding it behind a lawn company.
SPEAKER_02 (27:46):
Yeah, where did all the timber go?
Did no one ever ever questionwhy they didn't have any lumber
coming from this place?
SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
I don't know.
Unit 731 also studied blood lossand incompatible blood
transfusions.
Former member Akawa Fukumatusustated that some prisoners had
500 milliliters of bloodwithdrawn every two to three
days.
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Experiments with incompatibleblood types were conducted.
Unit member Nao Ikida recorded,in my experience, when type A
blood 100cc was transfused intoan O type subject whose pulse
was 87 per minute andtemperature was 35.4 degrees
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Celsius.
30 minutes later, thetemperature rose to 38.6 degrees
with a slight trepidtrepidation.
60 minutes later, the pulse was106 per minute and the
temperature was 39.4 degrees.
Two hours later, the temperaturewas 37.7 degrees, and three
hours later the subjectrecovered.
When A B type blood 120 C wastransfused to a O type subject,
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an hour later the subjectdescribed melee and psychore in
both legs.
When A B type blood 100cc wastransfused into a B type
subject, there seemed to be noside effect.
Prisoners were also exposed tobiological toxins, including
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tetrodoxetin, which is from thepufferfish, heroin, Korean
bindweed, bactyl, and castor oilseeds.
In 2002, Cheng Day, China, thesite of the one of the plague
flea bombings, held aninternational symposium on the
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crimes of bacteriologicalwarfare, which estimated that
the number of people slaughteredby the Imperial Japanese Army's
germ warfare and other humanexperience was 580,000.
My God.
So in the 12 years, they killed580,000 people.
SPEAKER_02 (30:06):
That's so many people.
SPEAKER_01 (30:09):
After the war, 12 Unit 731 members were tried by
the USSR in 1949, war crimetrials, and sentenced to prison.
However, many key figures,including Ishii, who again is
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the one who ran it, were grantedimmunity by the United States in
exchange for their researchdata.
SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
No.
Why?
So we can have biologicalweapons too?
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
The Truman administration concealed the
unit's crimes and paid stipendsfor two former personnel.
unknown (30:53):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (30:54):
On August 28th, 2002, the Tokyo District Court
formally acknowledged that Japanthat Japan had conducted
biological warfare in China andheld the state responsible for
the related deaths.
So that goes back to why wasMKUltra not as bad?
Because it was happening at thesame time we were doing um
(31:18):
Artichoke and then we just gottheir research.
SPEAKER_02 (31:20):
Wow.
So we didn't have to.
We didn't have to.
Yeah.
We already had the results.
Ugh.
That was disgusting.
SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
You're welcome.
Sorry, guys.
Horrible.
I was sick and miserable, so Ithought I would make you guys
sick and miserable too.
SPEAKER_02 (31:37):
Well, it worked.
SPEAKER_01 (31:39):
That's horrible.
Next week I am going back to I Ineed to do something light.
I need to do something silly.
Next week I am doing aliensagain.
I need a mental break from yeah.
What's the past two episodes?
SPEAKER_02 (31:55):
What is crazy is that like it's not surprising
that any of this happened umanywhere, right?
Whether it's United States,Japan, whatever.
It just is so uh to like thinkabout it front and center.
It just is disturbing.
SPEAKER_01 (32:14):
And to know that things like this are still
happening in the world today.
We're just not gonna find outabout it till years later when
we find Israel's documents.
SPEAKER_02 (32:25):
Yeah.
Well, my topics are a lotlighter than that.
SPEAKER_01 (32:31):
That is why I went first this week, so that we um
have a little levity after thatfun stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (32:39):
Yeah.
So uh there's only a couplethings.
I basically just like uh I'veseen a couple weird things on
TikTok recently.
So the first one is uh I don'tknow if you've seen the tree guy
on TikTok.
SPEAKER_01 (32:53):
The guy who's like who's convinced his tree is
moving.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (32:56):
Yes.
So there's like eight episodesof this guy who is like
something's weird with thistree.
It starts off pretty likeinnocent.
Something's weird with thistree.
I've grown up here, I don'tremember this tree being here.
Yeah, and then it justtransforms into this like
experiment.
Closer, yeah, it keeps movingcloser, and then he puts string
(33:17):
around it, and then he comesback the next day and it's
loose.
So the tree moved, and then hegoes on to be like, it doesn't
even look real anymore.
And I just feel like this is howmass hysteria starts.
Do you do you believe the treeis moving?
(33:38):
I want to know.
No, I don't believe that thetree is moving, however, I think
it is suspicious that hesuddenly is like in legal
trouble for doing this.
SPEAKER_01 (33:48):
Oh, I didn't know he was in legal trouble for doing
it.
Yeah.
What kind of legal trouble?
SPEAKER_02 (33:51):
Yeah, so I don't know if it's I'm pretty sure
it's like the FBI.
They were like, you need to stopdoing this.
This is spreading a falsenarrative.
Blah blah blah.
But I that doesn't make sense tome because how many false
narratives are on the internet?
Right?
Like all of them.
SPEAKER_01 (34:09):
I don't know why this specific tree.
Is it like it's real that theFBI cares?
I just got no no no.
SPEAKER_02 (34:18):
This is uh reports, like I saw news reports, those
can be AI generated, true,right?
SPEAKER_01 (34:24):
So I don't know if have you seen any from like a
reputable news source.
SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
I I can't say that I have, no.
SPEAKER_01 (34:31):
Okay.
So I will do more research.
SPEAKER_02 (34:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I can look into it more too, butit's just like I was intrigued
by this at first because I don'tbelieve that we're living in a
simulation.
I don't believe that the earthis like pixelated or anything
like that.
I don't believe that.
I do believe in timelinesthough, like I've said many
times.
So that tree is just hoppingbetween some?
Maybe.
(34:54):
Or maybe it's just like thattree is in a different timeline,
and that timeline is changingdifferently than this one.
Okay, so I don't know.
I still don't think it's real,but if if it were to be real,
that is the only like plausibleuh not even plausible, that is
the only thing that I would bewilling to accept.
SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
I was a tree, and I had the ability to fuck with
someone by moving.
SPEAKER_02 (35:23):
I would do it.
Absolutely would.
Well, and then you see all thevideos of like walking trees.
Yeah, I would get closer andthen I would sit.
SPEAKER_01 (35:34):
And I would get closer again, I would sit, and
then I would go back to myoriginal position.
SPEAKER_02 (35:38):
Oh, yeah.
I would really mess with Iwould, I would.
Ugh, yeah.
So uh that guy was justinteresting to me, and then I
had just briefly seen that hewas actually in trouble for
doing this, and uh I would haveto research more.
Why are you in trouble fortelling a lie?
There's so much more.
SPEAKER_01 (35:55):
I'm not texting, I am researching tree man and the
FBI, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:00):
I don't know.
It's very weird.
Um the other thing that I amsure everyone has seen is the
guy that they put on Fox Newsclearly wearing a mask.
You've seen that, right?
Yes.
He is clearly wearing a mask.
So why?
Like, are you trying to Sorry?
SPEAKER_01 (36:21):
I put Tree Man and Thorn Bradley came up, so I just
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:26):
You don't know who Thorn Bradley is.
SPEAKER_01 (36:29):
Do yourself a favor and just search him up on
TikTok.
And thank us later.
Thank us later.
SPEAKER_02 (36:34):
It's for science.
unknown (36:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
Just watch it nice and slow for science.
unknown (36:39):
But yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:40):
You can't find tree man.
What's tree man's name?
Putting uh um here.
SPEAKER_02 (36:44):
Oh, I don't have my phone.
SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
We'll research and talk about it next week.
SPEAKER_02 (36:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, but the guy that they justhad on Fox News that was wearing
a mask.
Why?
Yeah, why was he wearing a mask?
And why would you do such a pisspoor job of covering it up?
SPEAKER_01 (37:01):
Literally see it.
SPEAKER_02 (37:03):
Lifting.
Like are and some of thetheories are like, like you see
the the deep conspiracytheorists on TikTok who are like
it's happening.
They're coming out into reallife, they're you know, slowly
subjecting us to lizard people.
SPEAKER_01 (37:20):
I think my theory is they're testing us, they want to
see if we notice.
SPEAKER_02 (37:28):
Oh, we did.
SPEAKER_01 (37:30):
We did.
Well, it's so obvious.
I think they didn't mean forthat like they didn't mean for
it to be that obvious.
SPEAKER_02 (37:40):
They wanted to see if right, if we would know,
yeah.
Ugh.
It's just so weird to see, andnot even like like this is not
AI.
This is like real.
Weird.
Yeah, it's so weird.
So that was another weird thingthat I saw on TikTok that I was
like, is this is he a lizardman?
(38:01):
Is he a robot?
Is he an alien?
SPEAKER_01 (38:03):
Well, he was supposed to be like a real guy,
yeah.
I can't remember his name.
It's Howard something, right?
SPEAKER_02 (38:08):
Yeah, he's supposed to be like a military general or
something.
SPEAKER_01 (38:11):
Yeah, and then Howard didn't even look like the
guy in the mask.
SPEAKER_02 (38:15):
No, no, you see videos of the actual guy, and
it's like that it's not what areyou trying to do here?
Yeah, like it's yeah, it'sweird.
Um very weird.
SPEAKER_01 (38:29):
Was that it?
Yep, that's all you got?
Yep.
Okay, well, there's your lip atstop talking.
My brain needs to shut off.
There is your entertainmentafter the story.
SPEAKER_02 (38:46):
Yeah, I just and I mean there's so many.
After you research conspiracytheories on TikTok so often you
start seeing the same things, soyou kinda gotta start saving
them.
So I have to dive deeper.
So many.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:59):
You said you had to dive deeper.
SPEAKER_02 (39:02):
Yeah.
Not to find those ones.
But like, no.
Where's the deep dive?
You shouldn't even know TreeMan's name.
You're right.
No, no, no.
To find things that are like notthe same consistently on TikTok.
Yeah, you gotta go other places.
Yep.
(39:22):
Gonna ask you if you wouldrather have been part of the MK
Ultra experiments or theJapanese bio war.
MK Ultra.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
Easy.
I can't handle physical pain.
I mean, to an extent I can.
Like I have tattoos, but that'sno.
I would much rather bepsychologically out of it.
SPEAKER_01 (39:43):
Yeah.
Then I want to be tortured.
The prostitutes they hired.
unknown (39:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:49):
Just that was a joke.
Okay.
I joke.
But how much did you get paid tofuck with a man?
Yeah.
Sign me up.
But you had to have sex withthem.
So that's where I like, uh.
Yeah.
Don't want that.
SPEAKER_02 (40:06):
Oh my god.
And if you guys know anythingabout the tree guy, let me know
because genuinely I'minterested.
SPEAKER_01 (40:14):
If you guys know anything about the topic I
researched today, I'm superinterested in it.
Can you guys let me know?
SPEAKER_02 (40:22):
Can you just do my job for me?
And then I will take your notesand do a part two next week.
Yeah, with the stuff that youfind out.
SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
Speaking of research topics that she had that I did
more research on.
Because I I'm a psycho, and if Ilike hear something, I need to
know everything I can about it.
So remember our debate two daytwo weeks ago now, um, about
whether it was aliens or Nazis?
SPEAKER_02 (40:48):
Oh yeah, I'm convinced it's Nazis now.
SPEAKER_01 (40:50):
But I have convinced her.
I did more research.
So the flugel, whatever, yeah,whatever the flugel rods that
the aliens said that they flewin on, the ones with the Nazi
symbols.
Turns out in World War II, theNazis were researching circular
(41:14):
warcraft that they called flurods.
SPEAKER_02 (41:20):
I didn't know.
If I had known that, I Iwouldn't have fought so hard for
aliens.
Okay.
I wouldn't have fought thathard.
SPEAKER_01 (41:30):
We for the people who listen and who have made it
this far.
Yeah.
I was right.
I think I think you might havebeen right.
They're Nazis.
Not aliens from the middleearth.
SPEAKER_02 (41:45):
Sorry, Richard Bird.
Sorry about that.
I wonder what they poisoned himwith.
Maybe it was LSD.
SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
Honestly, probably.
Because we got the research fromthe Nazis from that time.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (41:58):
I bet it was.
SPEAKER_01 (41:58):
I bet it was.
And that's probably how he sawlike the TV and that's why he
started tripping balls.
Magical stuff.
And they were learning how tosuppress your memory.
Yes.
Oh my god.
Full circle.
SPEAKER_02 (42:10):
Do you have any beef of the week?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
What's your what's your beef ofthe week?
Given that I'm with it.
My beef of the week is summerclothes.
So the weather here in Michiganis getting hot.
And uh consistently, my beefwith summer is not that it's
(42:31):
necessarily hot, it's that it isan uncomfortable hot.
It's never just like a nicewarm.
It's always humid, it's alwayssticky, it's always a sweaty
situation.
And I hate it.
That's my beef.
So summer clothes in particularare it's just hard to find
(42:52):
something that is going to becomfortable because you don't
you want to wear less clothing.
Right.
So it's hard to find somethingthat is comfortable, but still
like and I'm thinkingspecifically like for work.
Now I'm in an office all day, soum air conditioning is a thing.
I'm privileged in that in thatsense, but like I just don't
(43:17):
it's so hard to find clothingthat you just feel comfortable
in in the summertime, is what Ithink.
SPEAKER_01 (43:22):
I agree.
Because like I don't like toshow off too much of my body.
But when you wear like clothes,yeah, especially like form
fitting clothes.
SPEAKER_02 (43:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:34):
And that's what a lot of summer clothes are.
Like you can't just buy like aand if you do buy a flowy like
tank top, you just end uplooking frumpy.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
It's not there's not a gooddresses are a good option, but I
don't want to wear a dress everyday.
SPEAKER_01 (43:49):
Especially when it's like really windy like it is
here.
Yeah.
And then you have to wear likethe shorts underneath it, and
then you chase.
I just I don't like it.
SPEAKER_02 (43:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
That's so my beef of the week isjust summer.
Clothing shorts are okay, butthere's never a good length of
shorts, it's either like all theway down to your knee or all the
way up to your butt cheek, andit's like there's no good
in-between tank tops are okay,but I also have uh HS, so I
don't like to necessarily showmy underarms all the time, and
(44:18):
that's a problem, so it's justlike it's so annoying.
I feel it, I feel it.
Yeah, what's your beef?
SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
That Trump is still alive.
That Netanyahu is still alive.
SPEAKER_02 (44:35):
Sometimes I don't expect what comes out of your
mouth.
I just I should learn to expectit, but I just You know who I am
as a person.
I do, I do.
SPEAKER_01 (44:47):
Israel is my beef of the week.
What they did to the volunteerswho were going to try to
blockade them, raping all of thewomen there who weren't even
Palestinian, the Australians whothey just with dogs, and then
saying that rape with dogsdoesn't count even though that's
what Hitler did to you guys.
SPEAKER_02 (45:07):
I did not know about that.
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
Israel, Israel is my beef of the week.
And Trump.
I like your bracelet.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, but whatever.
Yeah, that's my beef of theweek.
SPEAKER_02 (45:22):
The world sucks, that's it.
Yeah, basically.
Definitely.
Yeah.
I didn't I didn't have a lot.
I noticed that be nice to me.
unknown (45:32):
Please.
SPEAKER_01 (45:35):
Summer clothes and genocide.
SPEAKER_02 (45:37):
Um I need you to pick a beef of the week that is
normal.
I mean, it's normal to notsupport genocide, but I need you
to like pick a first worldproblem.
Maybe not necessarily right now,but like in the future.
SPEAKER_01 (45:59):
Tell Israel to stop doing fucked up things.
And then maybe I can focus onworld problem.
First world problems.
First world problems.
SPEAKER_02 (46:09):
I would love that.
I would love to be able to justdo it.
I would love if they just listento thank you, thank you, thank
you.
Some white American.
SPEAKER_01 (46:16):
Well, more likely to listen to you than me.
That's true.
That's true.
SPEAKER_02 (46:21):
If anyone has a chance, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (46:23):
Okay.
So you guys listening, use yourvoices, speak out, sign
positions, go to Palestinianrallies.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (46:29):
Yep.
So I hope you guys enjoyedtoday's episode.
Yeah, this one was a littlelackluster.
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (46:34):
Um to be fair, we didn't expect to record two
episodes today.
Um, this is true.
In Stephanie's defense, we uhplanned this uh so it's pretty
last minute yesterday.
So I I had already knew I wasgonna be talking about unit 731.
So I didn't have a single notedone, but like I had watched
(46:54):
videos about it, so I kind ofknew what I was gonna be talking
about, so it was easier for meto get the notes done.
SPEAKER_02 (46:59):
Um Stephanie had to like come up with something
yeah, and also you are soknowledgeable in so many
different conspiracies already.
Yeah, like you already havethings in the back of your mind
that you're like, oh, I can talkabout this, I can talk about
this.
Genuinely, I just look upconspiracies.
Like, I don't already havesomething that I would like to
(47:20):
talk about planned, so it is alittle bit hard to do.
I watch a lot of documentaries.
I don't.
SPEAKER_01 (47:25):
I l I love documentaries.
I have a document slot.
SPEAKER_02 (47:28):
Yeah.
And also, like I mentioned whenI got here, my brain, I just
feel like my brain isdisconnected the last few weeks.
It's like gone.
SPEAKER_01 (47:41):
I wish I could disconnect my brain sometimes.
SPEAKER_02 (47:44):
In another century.
I don't know where it is, but Iwould like for it to come back,
please.
I'm gonna put up missing poster.
Uh, is there anything else wewant to talk about?
I don't think so.
Sorry, this one was a littleshorter, but you know, sometimes
you gotta take a break from thecrazy.
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And let's get into today'sepisode.
Hello.
We're from uh five minutes ago.
SPEAKER_02 (00:22):
You don't know that though.
Well, actually, you do.
We said that last episode.
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
So you you definitely do.
We made it pretty obvious.
I like that you deleted EidmaBark immediately.
SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
It wasn't racially motivated, okay?
SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
Anyway, hi.
This week I am going to bestarting.
I don't think we have anythingto talk about at the beginning
because we literally just talkeda second ago.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (00:49):
Yeah.
I don't think so.
I think we can just get rightinto it.
Also, I don't know.
Uh, this is kind of fun.
Um, my favorite band is SleepToken.
And Jason has made it his life'smission to make sure that I have
literally everything that Jason.
Jason has made it his life'smission to make sure that I have
(01:12):
literally everything.
Oh my god, I can't believe Ijust did that.
Please spend all my money.
unknown (01:17):
Jesus.
SPEAKER_02 (01:19):
I don't know if you can actually see anything.
I just kept looking and I'mlike, she's she's not.
I am.
I want.
Oh my god.
For anyone not watching thevideo, um, I just flashed my
debit card numbers to the video.
It won't be in the video, sodon't try anything.
SPEAKER_01 (01:36):
It will not be in the video.
It will be cropped out or editedout.
SPEAKER_02 (01:40):
All I wanted to do was show you that Jason got me
like credit card stickers.
That's so cute.
That have the sleep token on it.
And I think so beautiful.
Anyway, let's get into today'sepisode.
I can't believe I did that.
Actually, I can.
I can.
I can believe that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:01):
All right, let me get to my notes.
So last week we talked aboutMKUltra and their horrible human
experimentations.
Yes.
This week we're gonna talk aboutJapan and their horrible human
exp uh experimentations.
Oh good.
Yes, and this um we're gonna betalking about unit 731 and unit
(02:24):
731 and Project Artichokehappened at the same time.
Oh yes.
So worldwide we people are beingones doing it.
Ha ha.
Nope.
But remember where some of ourconcentration camps or or
(02:47):
detention centers were, thedetainment centers?
Where we like put them in otherplaces?
One of them was Japan.
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (02:54):
I did not know that.
SPEAKER_01 (02:55):
Unit 731, officially known as I'm just gonna
apologize right now.
This is in Japan.
Names.
SPEAKER_02 (03:04):
I know exactly what it is.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
I am not Japanese.
Yeah.
I have never been to Japan.
I am going to pronounce 100% ofthese names wrong, and I
apologize sincerely.
I'm very, very, very sorry fromthe beginning.
Um and also trigger warning foreverything.
(03:27):
Just in general.
Just if you think it might be atrigger warning, I'm probably
gonna talk about it.
Okay, great.
Unit 731, officially known asthe Manchu Detachment 731, and
also referred to as CamoDetachment and the Ishii Unit,
was a secret research facilityoperated by the Imperial
(03:48):
Japanese Army between 1933 and1945.
It was located in Pingfengdistrict of Harbin.
That was the most American way Icould have said that.
I'm sorry.
In the Japanese puppet stateManchukoyu, now part of
Northeast China.
unknown (04:10):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
And maintained multiple branches across
mainland China and SoutheastAsia.
The Empire of Japan initiatedits biological weapons program
during the 1930s due to theprohibition of the biological
weapons and interstate conflictsby the Geneva Protocol in 1925.
They reasoned that the banimplied their efficiency as
(04:33):
weapons.
Japan's occupation of Manchuriabegan in 1931 after the Japanese
invasion of Manchuria.
I I can hear my white voicesaying it and I'm cringing
inside.
Japan decided to build Unit 731in Manchuria because the
occupation not only gave theJapanese an advantage of
(04:56):
separating the research stationfrom their island, but also gave
them access to many Jap Chineseindividuals as they wanted to
use for test subjects.
SPEAKER_02 (05:08):
So Japan and China are fighting.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Forever.
Okay.
Yeah.
They've always been fighting.
There's okay.
Yeah, they're still not gotcha.
Still not cool.
Nope.
You're gonna find out why.
Okay.
Yeah, no, uh, China and Japannever really don't get along.
Okay.
Been close.
Um they viewed the Chinese as nocost assets and hoped this ready
(05:33):
supply of test subjects wouldgive them a competitive
advantage in the biologicalwarfare.
unknown (05:38):
Jeez.
SPEAKER_01 (05:38):
Most of the victims were Chinese, but many victims
were also of differentnationalities.
These facilities contained morethan just medical research and
experimentation areas.
They also included spaces fordetaining victims, essentially
functioning as prisons as well.
The research and experimentationrooms were constructed around
(06:00):
the detention area, allowingresearch to conduct their daily
work while monitoring theprisoners.
Founded in 1933, Unit 731expanded to include 3,000 staff
members, 150 structures, and thecapacity to detain up to 600
prisoners concurrently forexperimentational purposes.
(06:23):
Wow.
Unit 731 was the first ofseveral covert units established
as offshoots of the researchlab, serving as field station
and experimentational sites toadvantage to advance biological
warfare techniques.
Under the direction of ShiroIshii, the Epidemic Prevention
(06:45):
Research Laboratory wasestablished following his return
from a two-year exploration ofAmerican and European research
institutions.
With the endorsement ofhigh-ranking military officials,
it was established for thepurpose of developing biological
weapons.
Ishii aimed to create biologicalweapons with humans as their
(07:06):
intended victims, and Unit 731was formed specifically to
pursue this objective.
Ishii organized a secretresearch group, the Togo Unit,
for chemical and biological operexperimentation in Manchuria.
Wow.
In 1936, and again, triggerwarnings for it all.
(07:27):
In 1936, Emperor Hirohito issueda decree authorizing the
expansion of the unit and itsinterrogation to the Quantong
Army as the Epidemic PreventionDepartment.
It was divided at that time tothe Ishii Unit and the
Wakamatasu Unit with a base inXingjin.
(07:53):
From 1940 on, the units wereknown collectively as the
Epidemic Prevention and WaterPurification Department of the
Kwantong Army or Unit 741 forshort.
Unit Togo was set into motion inthe Zongma Fortress, a prison
and experimentation camp inBianchi, a village 100
(08:18):
kilometers or 62 miles south ofHarbin on the South Manchara
Railway.
The prisoners brought to Zhangmaincluded common criminals,
captured bandits, andanti-Japanese partisans, as well
as political prisoners andpeople rounded up on false
charges by the compete.
SPEAKER_02 (08:38):
So like the Japanese Nazis?
Yeah.
No.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
Prisoners were generally well fed on a diet of
rice or wheat, meat, fish, andoccasionally even alcohol in
order to be a normal health atthe beginning of the
experiments.
Then over several days,prisoners were eventually
drained of blood and deprived ofnutrients and water.
Their deteriorating health wasrecorded.
(09:04):
Some were also vissected.
Others were deliberatelyinfected with plague bacteria
and other microbes.
A prison break in the autumn of1934, which jeopardized the
facility's secrecy and anexplosion in 1935, which was
believed to be by sabotage, ledIshii to shut down the Zongma
(09:25):
fortress.
He then received authorizationto relocate to Pingfeng,
approximately 24 kilometers or15 miles south of Harbin, to
establish a new, much largerfacility.
SPEAKER_02 (09:38):
Drain their blood?
Yes.
Ew.
SPEAKER_01 (09:41):
The military police and the special service agency
were responsible for locatingvictims to serve as test
subjects for the unit, while agroup of physicians was tasked
with maintaining the health ofvictims and dispatching them for
experimentation.
Human experiments involvedintentionally infecting
captives, particularly Chineseprisoners of war and civilians
(10:04):
with disease-causing agents andexposing them to bombs designed
to disperse infectioussubstances upon contact with the
skin.
There are no records indicatingany survivors from these
experiments.
Those who did not die frominfection were murdered for
autopsy analysis.
SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01 (10:23):
After human experimentations, researchers
commonly used either potassiumcyanide or chlorofoam to kill
survivors.
That's crazy.
That's horrible.
According to American historianSheldon H.
Harris, the Togo unit employedgruesome tactics to secure
specimens of select body organs.
(10:44):
If Ishii or one of his coworkerswished to do research on the
human brain, they would orderthe guards to find them a useful
sample.
A prisoner would be taken from acell, guards would hold him down
while another guard would smashthe victim's head open with an
axe.
His brain would be extracted offto the pathologist and then the
crematorium for the usualdisposal.
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Prisoners were injected withdiseases disguised as vaccines
to study their effects.
To study the effect of untreatedvenereal diseases, men and
female prisoners weredeliberately infected with
syphilis and gonorrhea, thenstudied.
A special project codenamedMauta Maruta used human beings
(11:27):
for experiments.
Test subjects were gathered fromthe surrounding population and
sometimes referred to as logs,as in how many logs fell.
This term originated as a staffjoke because the official cover
story for the facility given tolocal authorities was that it
was a lumber mill.
SPEAKER_02 (11:47):
Oh my gosh.
So far, I'm gonna argue thatthis is worse than MK Ultra.
Yeah, I didn't say it wasn't.
Yeah, no, I know.
I just I'm putting it out there,I feel like, of the two.
SPEAKER_01 (11:59):
Yeah, I mean, one is physical torture, the other one
is psychological torture.
I don't think we can compare it.
Yeah, it's not.
They're both they're both bad.
Um and there's a reason that theCIA didn't really do this, but
we will get into that.
Okay.
(12:20):
Thousands of men, women,children, and infants interned
at the prisoner of war campswere subjected to bisections,
which is a surgery conducted forexperimental purposes on a
living organism, typicallyanimals with central nervous
systems, to view the livinginternal structure.
It was often performed withoutanesthesia and usually lethal.
SPEAKER_02 (12:45):
I was just gonna say, I bet this is without
anesthesia, too.
SPEAKER_01 (12:48):
So yeah.
In a video interview, formerUnit 731 member Aqua Fukumatasu
admitting to having bisected apregnant woman.
Visection were performed onprisoners after infecting them
with various diseases, removingorgans to study the effects of
(13:10):
the disease on the human body.
I I will say America has donethis many times, but we don't
talk about it because they onlydid it to black women.
So I don't like that.
They used to say that uh blackwomen were couldn't feel pain.
Couldn't feel pain, so theywould never use anesthesia.
So they would just cut them openwithout it.
SPEAKER_02 (13:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:33):
So yeah, it's not just Japan.
Yeah.
Again, if there's evil to behad, it's been done here.
Right.
Prisoners had limbs amputated inorder to study blood loss.
Limbs removed were off weresometimes reattached to the
opposite side of the victim'sbody.
Some prisoners had theirstomachs surgically removed and
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their esophagus reattached totheir intestines.
Parts of the organs such asbrain, lungs, and liver were
removed from others.
Imperial Japanese Army surgeonKen Yuasa said that the
practicing vivation on or onhuman subjects was bright spread
even outside Unit 731,estimating that 1,000 Japanese
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personnel were involved in thepractice in mainland China.
Yusa said that when he performedvice actions on captives, they
were all for practice ratherthan for research, and that the
such practices were routineamong Japanese doctors stationed
in China during the war.
The New York Times interviewed aformer member of Unit 731,
(14:40):
insisting on anom on in the non-Oh my god, I can't talk today.
Anonymity?
Anonymity.
Thank you.
Insisting on anonym insisting onanything.
They wanted to be anonymous.
Anonymity.
A man anemone.
Anonymity.
(15:03):
They wanted to be anonymous.
Yep.
Anony.
The former Japanese medicalassistant recounted his first
experience in bisecting a livehuman being who had been
deliberately infected with theplague for the purpose of
developing plague bombs for thewar.
Uh the sorry.
(15:24):
It's okay.
So this is a quote from him.
Okay.
Um The fellow knew that it wasover for him, so he didn't
struggle when they laid him inthe room and tied him down.
But when I picked up thescalpel, that's when he began
screaming.
I cut him open from the chest tothe stomach, and he screamed
terribly.
And his face was twisted inagony.
(15:44):
He made this horrible,unimaginable sound, and he was
screaming so horribly.
And then he finally stopped.
And this was all in a day's workfor surgeons, but it but it
really left an impression on mebecause it was my first time.
That's so horrible.
I don't feel bad for him.
Fuck it.
SPEAKER_02 (16:04):
Not the guy right.
No, I'm personal on me.
I don't care.
Yeah, I hope it haunts you.
Ugh.
SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
Unit 731 and its affiliated units, Unit 1644 and
Unit 100, among others, wereinvolved in research development
and experimental deployment ofepidemic creating biological
weapons and assaults against theChinese populace, both military
and civilian, throughout WorldWar II.
By 1939, Ishii had condensed hislaboratory discoveries to six
potent pathogens (16:37):
anthrax, typhoid, paratyphoid, glanders,
descentary, and plague-infectedhuman fleas.
Ew.
These agents were robust enoughto ignite epidemics of cons of
considerable magnitude andresilient to aerial dispersal.
This marked the initiation of alater phase of Ishii's elaborate
(16:59):
screen scheme, conducting fieldtrial through military
expeditions on unsuspectingcivilians, aiming to devise a
method of dissemination thatwould efficiently spread the
pathogens in optimalconcentrations for maximum
devastation.
His experiments involveddeveloping biodegradable bombs
(17:19):
that house live rats and fleasinfected with diseases designed
to explode mid-air, ensuring thesafe defense descent of the
infected creatures to theground.
Additionally, he deployed birdsand bird feathers contaminated
with anthrax for low-flyingaircrafts.
SPEAKER_02 (17:36):
How you have to be like you have to have so much
time to think about all of thesethings.
That is crazy.
Like who how did you even comeup with this?
Like what your first thoughtwas, oh, we need biomedical
weapons.
SPEAKER_01 (17:52):
Steppen said that, like, or at the beginning, it
said that like he was on atwo-year expedition looking at
American and European researchcenters, and then he came back
and started working on this.
So what did he see in Americaand Europe during World War II?
SPEAKER_02 (18:09):
Eugenics, uh definitely.
SPEAKER_01 (18:11):
I mean, we just read last week about I mean, not last
week, yeah, but we just read afew minutes ago everything that
I said that the Nazis were doingthat became ultra or MK Ultra.
SPEAKER_02 (18:22):
Ultra, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:23):
And this was happening at the same time that
they were doing projectartichokes.
So, like, what else were theydoing that was destroyed in the
files?
SPEAKER_02 (18:32):
Oh, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (18:34):
We'll never know.
No, we won't.
Because they were destroyed.
Human targets were used to testgrenades at various distances
and positions.
Flamethrowers were tested onpeople.
Victims were also tied to stakesand used as victims to test
pathogen releasing bombs,chemical weapons, and sharp
shrapnel bombs with varyingamounts of fragments and
(18:56):
explosive bombs as well asbayonets and knives.
My God.
A quote saying, to determine thebest course of treatment for
varying degrees of sharpenelwounds sustained on the field by
Japanese soldiers, Chineseprisoners were exposed to direct
bomb blasts.
They were strapped unprotectedto wooden planks that were
stacked into the ground atincreasing distances around a
(19:19):
bomb that was then detonated.
It was surgery for mostautopsies for the rest.
Unit members orchestrated forcedsex acts between infected and
non-infected prisoners totransmit syphilis as the
testimony of prison guard on thesubject of devising a method for
transmission of syphilis betweenvictims.
SPEAKER_02 (19:40):
I was wondering when that was gonna happen.
I knew that forced sex wascoming.
SPEAKER_01 (19:45):
Yeah, of course.
Um, so one of the prison guardssaid about this method of
transmission.
Infection of venereal diseasesby injection was abandoned, and
the researchers started forcingthe prisoners into sexual acts
with each other.
Four or five unit membersdressed in white laboratory
clothing, completely coveringthe body with only eyes and
(20:07):
mouths visible, rest covered,handled the tests.
A male and female, when infectedwith syphilis, would be brought
together in a cell and forcedinto sex with each other.
It was made clear that anyoneresisting would be shot.
I feel like I would rather getshot.
(20:27):
Me too.
Me too.
After victims were infected,they were bisected at different
stages of infection so that theinternal and external organs
could be absorbed as the diseaseprogressed.
Testimony from multiple guardsblames the victim or the female
victims as being host of thediseases, even though they were
(20:50):
forcibly infected.
SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
Ew.
That's disgusting.
This is so gross.
I wish I was done.
Yeah, I wish so too.
SPEAKER_01 (21:11):
This is not funny.
No.
Female prisoners were forced tobecome pregnant for use in
experiments.
The hypothetic the hypotheticalpossibility of vertical
transmission, which means likepassing it from the mother to
the daughter, of diseases,particularly syphilis, was the
stated reason for that torture.
(21:34):
Fetal survival and damage to themother's reproductive organs
were objects of interest, thougha large number of babies were
born in captivity.
There were no accounts of anysurvivors of Unit 731, children
included.
It is suspected that thechildren of the female prisoners
were killed after birth oraborted.
SPEAKER_02 (21:53):
Oh, so these like accounts, the quotes that you're
they're all from prison guards.
There.
Yeah.
Victims.
SPEAKER_01 (22:01):
Yep.
While male prisoners were oftenused in single studies so that
the results of theexperimentation on them would
not be clouded by othervariables, women were sometimes
used in bacteriological orphysiological experiments, sex
experiments, and the victims ofsex crimes.
The testimony of a unit memberthat served as a guard
(22:24):
graphically demonstrated thisreality.
And he quotes (22:26):
One of the former researches I located told me
that one day he had a humanexperiment scheduled, but there
was still time to kill.
So he and another unit membertook the keys out of the cell
and opened one of the ones thathoused a Chinese woman.
One of the unit members rapedher.
The other member took the keysand opened another cell.
(22:46):
There was a Chinese woman inthere who had been used in a
frostbite experiment.
She still had several fingersmissing and her bones were black
with gangrene set in.
He was about to rape her,anyways.
Then he saw that her sex organwas festering with pus oozing to
the surface, so he gave up thatidea, left and locked the door,
then later went back to hisexperimental work.
(23:08):
Unit 731 conducted a wide rangeof experiments beyond biological
warfare, including torture,chemical exposure, and
physiological manipulation.
Prisoners were subjected toextreme methods of physical
stress, including prolongedstarvation and dehydration,
exposure to low pressurechambers until their eyes burst,
(23:31):
suspension upside down untildeath, crushing with heavy
objects, electrocution, forceddehydration using hot air fans,
spinning and centrifuges untildeath, exposure to extreme heat
and burns, injection with animalblood, injection with seawater,
burning alive or alive burial.
SPEAKER_02 (23:52):
At what point there's no way that all of this,
I mean, you said that the pointof some of this is literally
just torture.
SPEAKER_01 (24:00):
Yeah.
100%.
SPEAKER_02 (24:02):
There's no way that you can make a scientific
argument for honestly, even thescientific purposes.
It's disgusting.
SPEAKER_01 (24:10):
Yeah, I mean, and that's what they said with the
MK Ultra.
Like eventually they're like,there's no research purposes.
They were just like, what ifthis happens and tried it?
Right.
Like to be able to even do thiskind of stuff in the name of
scientific research, you have tobe broken.
You have to be evil.
Yeah.
So it's pretty easy to see.
(24:31):
And and to sign up to be like aguard here and to witness it,
again, you have to be apsychopath.
There has to be something wrongwith you.
So it's not hard to imagine thatthe people who would be involved
in the scientific part of thiswould easily just go to torture.
SPEAKER_02 (24:49):
Yeah, just translate.
SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
It was said that a small number of these poor men,
women, and children were alsomummified alive in total
dehydration experiments.
They sweated themselves to deathunder the heat of several hot
dry fans.
At death, the corpses would onlyweigh about a fifth of normal
body weight.
(25:14):
Victims were also exposed to awide range of toxic agents,
including mustard gas, luazite,cyanic acid gas, white
phosphorus, atamcyte, andphosgen.
I probably pronounced a coupleof those wrong, I'm sorry.
Unit 731 operated a facilitydedicated to gas chamber
(25:37):
experiments.
Again, he studied in Europe.
Victims were placed in sealedchambers wearing either full
uniform, partial gear, or noprotection.
A former army major and laterprofessor recalled, in 1943, I
attended a poison gas test heldat the Unit 731 test facilities.
(26:02):
A glass walled chamber aboutthree meters square, 97 square
foot, and two meters, 6.6 feet,high, was used, and inside it a
Chinese man was blindfolded withhis hands tied around a post
behind him.
The gas was atomcy, which issneezing d sneezing gas.
And as the gas filled thechamber, the man went into a
(26:24):
violent coughing convulsion andbegan to suffer extre
extrusiating pain.
More than ten doctors andtechnicians were present.
After I watched for about 10minutes, I could not stand it
anymore and left the area.
I understand that other types ofgases were also tested there.
SPEAKER_02 (26:40):
I just don't understand how this was allowed
for so long.
SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
For s it was only I know I'm not gonna say like it
was only but it was only a fewyears ago.
It went from like, what did Isay?
SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
30 nine to 43, I think is.
SPEAKER_01 (27:01):
Yeah, something so it really wasn't that I mean
that is years of torture to theChinese, so I'm not trying to
like downplay it, downplay it,but it compared to yeah, 1933 to
1945, so it was oh I guess thatwas a while.
That's still 10 years.
(27:21):
Oh that okay, yeah.
I thought it was shorter in mymind, sorry.
12 years is a long time oftorture.
SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
It is a long time, and I just don't understand,
like, where are where are thepolice?
I mean, these are the police,that's the whole thing.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
Oh and they were hiding it behind a lawn company.
SPEAKER_02 (27:46):
Yeah, where did all the timber go?
Did no one ever ever questionwhy they didn't have any lumber
coming from this place?
SPEAKER_01 (27:56):
I don't know.
Unit 731 also studied blood lossand incompatible blood
transfusions.
Former member Akawa Fukumatusustated that some prisoners had
500 milliliters of bloodwithdrawn every two to three
days.
(28:16):
Experiments with incompatibleblood types were conducted.
Unit member Nao Ikida recorded,in my experience, when type A
blood 100cc was transfused intoan O type subject whose pulse
was 87 per minute andtemperature was 35.4 degrees
(28:36):
Celsius.
30 minutes later, thetemperature rose to 38.6 degrees
with a slight trepidtrepidation.
60 minutes later, the pulse was106 per minute and the
temperature was 39.4 degrees.
Two hours later, the temperaturewas 37.7 degrees, and three
hours later the subjectrecovered.
When A B type blood 120 C wastransfused to a O type subject,
(29:02):
an hour later the subjectdescribed melee and psychore in
both legs.
When A B type blood 100cc wastransfused into a B type
subject, there seemed to be noside effect.
Prisoners were also exposed tobiological toxins, including
(29:24):
tetrodoxetin, which is from thepufferfish, heroin, Korean
bindweed, bactyl, and castor oilseeds.
In 2002, Cheng Day, China, thesite of the one of the plague
flea bombings, held aninternational symposium on the
(29:47):
crimes of bacteriologicalwarfare, which estimated that
the number of people slaughteredby the Imperial Japanese Army's
germ warfare and other humanexperience was 580,000.
My God.
So in the 12 years, they killed580,000 people.
SPEAKER_02 (30:06):
That's so many people.
SPEAKER_01 (30:09):
After the war, 12 Unit 731 members were tried by
the USSR in 1949, war crimetrials, and sentenced to prison.
However, many key figures,including Ishii, who again is
(30:30):
the one who ran it, were grantedimmunity by the United States in
exchange for their researchdata.
SPEAKER_02 (30:39):
No.
Why?
So we can have biologicalweapons too?
SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
The Truman administration concealed the
unit's crimes and paid stipendsfor two former personnel.
unknown (30:53):
What?
SPEAKER_01 (30:54):
On August 28th, 2002, the Tokyo District Court
formally acknowledged that Japanthat Japan had conducted
biological warfare in China andheld the state responsible for
the related deaths.
So that goes back to why wasMKUltra not as bad?
Because it was happening at thesame time we were doing um
(31:18):
Artichoke and then we just gottheir research.
SPEAKER_02 (31:20):
Wow.
So we didn't have to.
We didn't have to.
Yeah.
We already had the results.
Ugh.
That was disgusting.
SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
You're welcome.
Sorry, guys.
Horrible.
I was sick and miserable, so Ithought I would make you guys
sick and miserable too.
SPEAKER_02 (31:37):
Well, it worked.
SPEAKER_01 (31:39):
That's horrible.
Next week I am going back to I Ineed to do something light.
I need to do something silly.
Next week I am doing aliensagain.
I need a mental break from yeah.
What's the past two episodes?
SPEAKER_02 (31:55):
What is crazy is that like it's not surprising
that any of this happened umanywhere, right?
Whether it's United States,Japan, whatever.
It just is so uh to like thinkabout it front and center.
It just is disturbing.
SPEAKER_01 (32:14):
And to know that things like this are still
happening in the world today.
We're just not gonna find outabout it till years later when
we find Israel's documents.
SPEAKER_02 (32:25):
Yeah.
Well, my topics are a lotlighter than that.
SPEAKER_01 (32:31):
That is why I went first this week, so that we um
have a little levity after thatfun stuff.
SPEAKER_02 (32:39):
Yeah.
So uh there's only a couplethings.
I basically just like uh I'veseen a couple weird things on
TikTok recently.
So the first one is uh I don'tknow if you've seen the tree guy
on TikTok.
SPEAKER_01 (32:53):
The guy who's like who's convinced his tree is
moving.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (32:56):
Yes.
So there's like eight episodesof this guy who is like
something's weird with thistree.
It starts off pretty likeinnocent.
Something's weird with thistree.
I've grown up here, I don'tremember this tree being here.
Yeah, and then it justtransforms into this like
experiment.
Closer, yeah, it keeps movingcloser, and then he puts string
(33:17):
around it, and then he comesback the next day and it's
loose.
So the tree moved, and then hegoes on to be like, it doesn't
even look real anymore.
And I just feel like this is howmass hysteria starts.
Do you do you believe the treeis moving?
(33:38):
I want to know.
No, I don't believe that thetree is moving, however, I think
it is suspicious that hesuddenly is like in legal
trouble for doing this.
SPEAKER_01 (33:48):
Oh, I didn't know he was in legal trouble for doing
it.
Yeah.
What kind of legal trouble?
SPEAKER_02 (33:51):
Yeah, so I don't know if it's I'm pretty sure
it's like the FBI.
They were like, you need to stopdoing this.
This is spreading a falsenarrative.
Blah blah blah.
But I that doesn't make sense tome because how many false
narratives are on the internet?
Right?
Like all of them.
SPEAKER_01 (34:09):
I don't know why this specific tree.
Is it like it's real that theFBI cares?
I just got no no no.
SPEAKER_02 (34:18):
This is uh reports, like I saw news reports, those
can be AI generated, true,right?
SPEAKER_01 (34:24):
So I don't know if have you seen any from like a
reputable news source.
SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
I I can't say that I have, no.
SPEAKER_01 (34:31):
Okay.
So I will do more research.
SPEAKER_02 (34:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I can look into it more too, butit's just like I was intrigued
by this at first because I don'tbelieve that we're living in a
simulation.
I don't believe that the earthis like pixelated or anything
like that.
I don't believe that.
I do believe in timelinesthough, like I've said many
times.
So that tree is just hoppingbetween some?
Maybe.
(34:54):
Or maybe it's just like thattree is in a different timeline,
and that timeline is changingdifferently than this one.
Okay, so I don't know.
I still don't think it's real,but if if it were to be real,
that is the only like plausibleuh not even plausible, that is
the only thing that I would bewilling to accept.
SPEAKER_01 (35:16):
I was a tree, and I had the ability to fuck with
someone by moving.
SPEAKER_02 (35:23):
I would do it.
Absolutely would.
Well, and then you see all thevideos of like walking trees.
Yeah, I would get closer andthen I would sit.
SPEAKER_01 (35:34):
And I would get closer again, I would sit, and
then I would go back to myoriginal position.
SPEAKER_02 (35:38):
Oh, yeah.
I would really mess with Iwould, I would.
Ugh, yeah.
So uh that guy was justinteresting to me, and then I
had just briefly seen that hewas actually in trouble for
doing this, and uh I would haveto research more.
Why are you in trouble fortelling a lie?
There's so much more.
SPEAKER_01 (35:55):
I'm not texting, I am researching tree man and the
FBI, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:00):
I don't know.
It's very weird.
Um the other thing that I amsure everyone has seen is the
guy that they put on Fox Newsclearly wearing a mask.
You've seen that, right?
Yes.
He is clearly wearing a mask.
So why?
Like, are you trying to Sorry?
SPEAKER_01 (36:21):
I put Tree Man and Thorn Bradley came up, so I just
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (36:26):
You don't know who Thorn Bradley is.
SPEAKER_01 (36:29):
Do yourself a favor and just search him up on
TikTok.
And thank us later.
Thank us later.
SPEAKER_02 (36:34):
It's for science.
unknown (36:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:36):
Just watch it nice and slow for science.
unknown (36:39):
But yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:40):
You can't find tree man.
What's tree man's name?
Putting uh um here.
SPEAKER_02 (36:44):
Oh, I don't have my phone.
SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
We'll research and talk about it next week.
SPEAKER_02 (36:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, but the guy that they justhad on Fox News that was wearing
a mask.
Why?
Yeah, why was he wearing a mask?
And why would you do such a pisspoor job of covering it up?
SPEAKER_01 (37:01):
Literally see it.
SPEAKER_02 (37:03):
Lifting.
Like are and some of thetheories are like, like you see
the the deep conspiracytheorists on TikTok who are like
it's happening.
They're coming out into reallife, they're you know, slowly
subjecting us to lizard people.
SPEAKER_01 (37:20):
I think my theory is they're testing us, they want to
see if we notice.
SPEAKER_02 (37:28):
Oh, we did.
SPEAKER_01 (37:30):
We did.
Well, it's so obvious.
I think they didn't mean forthat like they didn't mean for
it to be that obvious.
SPEAKER_02 (37:40):
They wanted to see if right, if we would know,
yeah.
Ugh.
It's just so weird to see, andnot even like like this is not
AI.
This is like real.
Weird.
Yeah, it's so weird.
So that was another weird thingthat I saw on TikTok that I was
like, is this is he a lizardman?
(38:01):
Is he a robot?
Is he an alien?
SPEAKER_01 (38:03):
Well, he was supposed to be like a real guy,
yeah.
I can't remember his name.
It's Howard something, right?
SPEAKER_02 (38:08):
Yeah, he's supposed to be like a military general or
something.
SPEAKER_01 (38:11):
Yeah, and then Howard didn't even look like the
guy in the mask.
SPEAKER_02 (38:15):
No, no, you see videos of the actual guy, and
it's like that it's not what areyou trying to do here?
Yeah, like it's yeah, it'sweird.
Um very weird.
SPEAKER_01 (38:29):
Was that it?
Yep, that's all you got?
Yep.
Okay, well, there's your lip atstop talking.
My brain needs to shut off.
There is your entertainmentafter the story.
SPEAKER_02 (38:46):
Yeah, I just and I mean there's so many.
After you research conspiracytheories on TikTok so often you
start seeing the same things, soyou kinda gotta start saving
them.
So I have to dive deeper.
So many.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:59):
You said you had to dive deeper.
SPEAKER_02 (39:02):
Yeah.
Not to find those ones.
But like, no.
Where's the deep dive?
You shouldn't even know TreeMan's name.
You're right.
No, no, no.
To find things that are like notthe same consistently on TikTok.
Yeah, you gotta go other places.
Yep.
(39:22):
Gonna ask you if you wouldrather have been part of the MK
Ultra experiments or theJapanese bio war.
MK Ultra.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
Easy.
I can't handle physical pain.
I mean, to an extent I can.
Like I have tattoos, but that'sno.
I would much rather bepsychologically out of it.
SPEAKER_01 (39:43):
Yeah.
Then I want to be tortured.
The prostitutes they hired.
unknown (39:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:49):
Just that was a joke.
Okay.
I joke.
But how much did you get paid tofuck with a man?
Yeah.
Sign me up.
But you had to have sex withthem.
So that's where I like, uh.
Yeah.
Don't want that.
SPEAKER_02 (40:06):
Oh my god.
And if you guys know anythingabout the tree guy, let me know
because genuinely I'minterested.
SPEAKER_01 (40:14):
If you guys know anything about the topic I
researched today, I'm superinterested in it.
Can you guys let me know?
SPEAKER_02 (40:22):
Can you just do my job for me?
And then I will take your notesand do a part two next week.
Yeah, with the stuff that youfind out.
SPEAKER_01 (40:30):
Speaking of research topics that she had that I did
more research on.
Because I I'm a psycho, and if Ilike hear something, I need to
know everything I can about it.
So remember our debate two daytwo weeks ago now, um, about
whether it was aliens or Nazis?
SPEAKER_02 (40:48):
Oh yeah, I'm convinced it's Nazis now.
SPEAKER_01 (40:50):
But I have convinced her.
I did more research.
So the flugel, whatever, yeah,whatever the flugel rods that
the aliens said that they flewin on, the ones with the Nazi
symbols.
Turns out in World War II, theNazis were researching circular
(41:14):
warcraft that they called flurods.
SPEAKER_02 (41:20):
I didn't know.
If I had known that, I Iwouldn't have fought so hard for
aliens.
Okay.
I wouldn't have fought thathard.
SPEAKER_01 (41:30):
We for the people who listen and who have made it
this far.
Yeah.
I was right.
I think I think you might havebeen right.
They're Nazis.
Not aliens from the middleearth.
SPEAKER_02 (41:45):
Sorry, Richard Bird.
Sorry about that.
I wonder what they poisoned himwith.
Maybe it was LSD.
SPEAKER_01 (41:52):
Honestly, probably.
Because we got the research fromthe Nazis from that time.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (41:58):
I bet it was.
SPEAKER_01 (41:58):
I bet it was.
And that's probably how he sawlike the TV and that's why he
started tripping balls.
Magical stuff.
And they were learning how tosuppress your memory.
Yes.
Oh my god.
Full circle.
SPEAKER_02 (42:10):
Do you have any beef of the week?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
What's your what's your beef ofthe week?
Given that I'm with it.
My beef of the week is summerclothes.
So the weather here in Michiganis getting hot.
And uh consistently, my beefwith summer is not that it's
(42:31):
necessarily hot, it's that it isan uncomfortable hot.
It's never just like a nicewarm.
It's always humid, it's alwayssticky, it's always a sweaty
situation.
And I hate it.
That's my beef.
So summer clothes in particularare it's just hard to find
(42:52):
something that is going to becomfortable because you don't
you want to wear less clothing.
Right.
So it's hard to find somethingthat is comfortable, but still
like and I'm thinkingspecifically like for work.
Now I'm in an office all day, soum air conditioning is a thing.
I'm privileged in that in thatsense, but like I just don't
(43:17):
it's so hard to find clothingthat you just feel comfortable
in in the summertime, is what Ithink.
SPEAKER_01 (43:22):
I agree.
Because like I don't like toshow off too much of my body.
But when you wear like clothes,yeah, especially like form
fitting clothes.
SPEAKER_02 (43:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (43:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:34):
And that's what a lot of summer clothes are.
Like you can't just buy like aand if you do buy a flowy like
tank top, you just end uplooking frumpy.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
It's not there's not a gooddresses are a good option, but I
don't want to wear a dress everyday.
SPEAKER_01 (43:49):
Especially when it's like really windy like it is
here.
Yeah.
And then you have to wear likethe shorts underneath it, and
then you chase.
I just I don't like it.
SPEAKER_02 (43:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
That's so my beef of the week isjust summer.
Clothing shorts are okay, butthere's never a good length of
shorts, it's either like all theway down to your knee or all the
way up to your butt cheek, andit's like there's no good
in-between tank tops are okay,but I also have uh HS, so I
don't like to necessarily showmy underarms all the time, and
(44:18):
that's a problem, so it's justlike it's so annoying.
I feel it, I feel it.
Yeah, what's your beef?
SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
That Trump is still alive.
That Netanyahu is still alive.
SPEAKER_02 (44:35):
Sometimes I don't expect what comes out of your
mouth.
I just I should learn to expectit, but I just You know who I am
as a person.
I do, I do.
SPEAKER_01 (44:47):
Israel is my beef of the week.
What they did to the volunteerswho were going to try to
blockade them, raping all of thewomen there who weren't even
Palestinian, the Australians whothey just with dogs, and then
saying that rape with dogsdoesn't count even though that's
what Hitler did to you guys.
SPEAKER_02 (45:07):
I did not know about that.
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
Israel, Israel is my beef of the week.
And Trump.
I like your bracelet.
Thank you.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, but whatever.
Yeah, that's my beef of theweek.
SPEAKER_02 (45:22):
The world sucks, that's it.
Yeah, basically.
Definitely.
Yeah.
I didn't I didn't have a lot.
I noticed that be nice to me.
unknown (45:32):
Please.
SPEAKER_01 (45:35):
Summer clothes and genocide.
SPEAKER_02 (45:37):
Um I need you to pick a beef of the week that is
normal.
I mean, it's normal to notsupport genocide, but I need you
to like pick a first worldproblem.
Maybe not necessarily right now,but like in the future.
SPEAKER_01 (45:59):
Tell Israel to stop doing fucked up things.
And then maybe I can focus onworld problem.
First world problems.
First world problems.
SPEAKER_02 (46:09):
I would love that.
I would love to be able to justdo it.
I would love if they just listento thank you, thank you, thank
you.
Some white American.
SPEAKER_01 (46:16):
Well, more likely to listen to you than me.
That's true.
That's true.
SPEAKER_02 (46:21):
If anyone has a chance, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (46:23):
Okay.
So you guys listening, use yourvoices, speak out, sign
positions, go to Palestinianrallies.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (46:29):
Yep.
So I hope you guys enjoyedtoday's episode.
Yeah, this one was a littlelackluster.
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (46:34):
Um to be fair, we didn't expect to record two
episodes today.
Um, this is true.
In Stephanie's defense, we uhplanned this uh so it's pretty
last minute yesterday.
So I I had already knew I wasgonna be talking about unit 731.
So I didn't have a single notedone, but like I had watched
(46:54):
videos about it, so I kind ofknew what I was gonna be talking
about, so it was easier for meto get the notes done.
SPEAKER_02 (46:59):
Um Stephanie had to like come up with something
yeah, and also you are soknowledgeable in so many
different conspiracies already.
Yeah, like you already havethings in the back of your mind
that you're like, oh, I can talkabout this, I can talk about
this.
Genuinely, I just look upconspiracies.
Like, I don't already havesomething that I would like to
(47:20):
talk about planned, so it is alittle bit hard to do.
I watch a lot of documentaries.
I don't.
SPEAKER_01 (47:25):
I l I love documentaries.
I have a document slot.
SPEAKER_02 (47:28):
Yeah.
And also, like I mentioned whenI got here, my brain, I just
feel like my brain isdisconnected the last few weeks.
It's like gone.
SPEAKER_01 (47:41):
I wish I could disconnect my brain sometimes.
SPEAKER_02 (47:44):
In another century.
I don't know where it is, but Iwould like for it to come back,
please.
I'm gonna put up missing poster.
Uh, is there anything else wewant to talk about?
I don't think so.
Sorry, this one was a littleshorter, but you know, sometimes
you gotta take a break from thecrazy.
SPEAKER_01 (47:58):
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SPEAKER_02 (48:09):
You can find me on Instagram at Steph Smiles XX or
on TikTok at VesselV-E-S-S-I-I-L.
SPEAKER_01 (48:16):
What about you?
You can find me at TikTok at Melof a Time.
It's like Hell of a Time, butwith Mel and only one L's.
SPEAKER_02 (48:22):
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the world for a minute.
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