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Alright.
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Or do you just want to diveright in?
We can dive right in.
You're going first today?
Yes, ma'am.
So last week I talked aboutNellie Bly and her advocacy for
mental hail.
Mental hail.
I I don't know if you guys knowthis, but I'm uh from the south.
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I'm from Alabama.
SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
So sometimes my accent I think that's where the
again comes in.
Shut up.
SPEAKER_01 (02:49):
I grew up like my uh mom lived in Ohio, my dad lived
in Alabama, so I grew up betweenboth.
So only sometimes does thecountry slip out.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:01):
That's so funny.
So you have like the Midwesternlike A.
Yeah and then the the Southernlike draw.
Yeah.
Yeah, draw.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
So my voice is just weird.
Like, I'll be hearing myselfwhen I'm clicking.
I'm like, why am I talking likethat?
Shut up.
Alright, I'm gonna start over.
So she advocated for mentalhealth patients.
This week I'm gonna go theopposite direction and talk
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about someone who helped destroymental health patients.
How exciting.
Walter J.
Freeman was born on November14th, 1895 in Philadelphia.
He came from a family ofdoctors.
His grandfather was a well-knownCivil War surgeon, and his
father was a very successfuldoctor.
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So Walter wanted to follow intheir footsteps and began to
study neurology at theUniversity of Pennsylvania Metal
School School.
After he graduated in 1924,Walter moved to Washington, D.C.
and started working at St.
Elizabeth's Hospital DirectingLaboratories, where he became
the first practicing neurologistin D.C.
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at the time.
Working at the hospital andwitnessing the pain and
suffering that the patients wereenduring, it encouraged him to
deepen his education inneurology.
So he went back to school toearn his PhD in neuropathology
and became the head of neurologydepartment at George Washington
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University in Washington, D.C.
SPEAKER_02 (04:35):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (04:35):
Yes.
He starts off good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like so far so good.
So far he's doing good, sweetie.
On November 12th, 1935, a newpsychosurgery procedure was
performed in Portugal under thedirection of the neurologist and
physician Igis Monez.
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I am probably saying that wrong,sorry guys.
Which is funny because I like amSpanish, I just can't speak it.
His leukota procedure wasintended to treat mental
illness.
So he took small corging coringsof the patient's frontal lobes.
And I had to Google what coringsmet because it's it like is it
like a biopsy?
(05:18):
Yeah.
So it is a minim minimallyinvasive bone or tissue sampling
and decompression technique.
SPEAKER_02 (05:25):
How are you about to be minimally minimally invasive
in my brain?
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
We're probably just like scraping a little bit of
the outside brain.
Maybe.
SPEAKER_03 (05:35):
Gross.
SPEAKER_01 (05:38):
We are clearly medical students, so we know
we're not understand.
SPEAKER_03 (05:44):
Don't even know where their frontal lobe is.
Yeah, frontal lobe.
SPEAKER_04 (05:49):
Well, I I don't think it's here.
Like, cause there's two isn'tthere two frontal lobes?
No?
No lobes.
Claro.
SPEAKER_03 (05:59):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (06:00):
Come back to reading.
SPEAKER_03 (06:01):
Yeah, let's listen to this print.
SPEAKER_04 (06:07):
We are the bench slides.
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
Um so Walter decided that he wanted to modify the
procedure and renamed it thelobotomy.
And instead of taking coringsfrom the frontal lobes like
Mones did.
Monas?
It's Mones.
Walter decided he wanted tosever the connection between the
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frontal lobes and the thalamus.
I'm pointing, I don't know wherethe thalamus is either.
Yeah.
Guessing behind the frontallobe.
But because Walter was aneurologist and not a
neurosurgeon, he needed the helpof a neurosurgeon, so he
recruited James Watts.
On September 14th, 1936, Walterand Watts did the very first
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prefrontal lobotomy in the US onhousewife Alice Hood Hammett of
Tupeka, Kansas.
And why did she need her frontallobe and thalamus disconnected?
I don't know.
Was she crazy?
Well, obviously.
She was suffering from anxiety,insomnia, and depression.
Right.
So I guess tie me up next.
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Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:18):
I never noticed when you were reading this, so the
word lobotomy, like the lobpart, lobe.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm just putting it together.
Automy, like severing.
So is that what otomy?
Well, I'm just thinking of likeother medical terms that end an
automy.
Yeah.
Like what?
Apesiotomy.
unknown (07:41):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (07:41):
Apesiotomy is when you give birth and you tear so
bad that they just cut you fromfront to back.
Ouch.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you can't there'snot enough room for the baby to
come out, so they cut you.
No, no, no.
unknown (07:56):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (07:56):
Nope.
A C-section is in like yourbelly.
This is they cut the partbetween your butt and your
vagina.
Apparently you did not have anapesiotomy.
No.
Yeah, so it's like to severconnection.
Sorry for that.
Visual.
SPEAKER_01 (08:17):
Anyway.
I'm gonna Google automie.
Okay, so in medical terms,automy, it is a surgical suffix
derived from the Greek wordstomos, meaning cutting or to
make an incision.
So we're correct.
SPEAKER_02 (08:29):
I just think it's cool to know the lore of the
word.
unknown (08:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
So by November, only two months after performing
their first lobotomy, Walter andWatts had already worked on 20
cases, including severalfollow-up operations.
And by 1942, they performed over200 lobotomy procedures and had
published results claiming 63%of their patients had improved,
23 were were reported unchanged,and 14% were worse after
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surgery.
I feel like 14 is a bigpercentage to just keep going.
SPEAKER_02 (09:04):
Yeah.
Especially only out of like 200you said.
Yeah.
unknown (09:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:10):
That's a big percentage.
SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
64 isn't even like that big of a success rate to
keep trying.
Yeah.
When 14% are worse and umtwenty-three were unchanged.
unknown (09:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Uh if I had those risk, I probably wouldn't.
SPEAKER_02 (09:30):
No, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't either.
SPEAKER_01 (09:32):
But it was back in the day.
And I'm pretty sure these womendid not have a choice.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:37):
I don't think they were like, hey, do you want to
do this?
I think they were like, you'redoing it.
SPEAKER_01 (09:41):
I don't think they got a say in their treatment
plan the way we do now.
Walter developed a transorbitalapproach based on the work of an
Italian doctor, Amoro Fiamberti,who operated on the brain
through his patient's eyesockets, allowing him to access
the brain without needing todrill through the skull, which
is which was supposedly supposedto um give them it's like less
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invasive if you're going throughthe eye.
How after experimenting withnovel ways of performing these
types of brain surgery, Waltercreated a new procedure called
the transorbital lobotomy.
And his new procedure allowedhim to perform lobotomies
without the use of anesthesiabecause he would just use
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electroconvulsion therapy toinduce seizures and knock them
out.
SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
Uh I am too why I am too stunned to speak.
SPEAKER_02 (10:41):
I'm not laughing because it's funny.
Right, it's not funny, haha.
It's funny.
What the fuck?
SPEAKER_01 (10:48):
Walter used a mallet to tap an ice pick through the
orbital roof.
Following penetration of theorbital roof, Walter would sweep
the ice pick laterally toobliterate the frontal lobe
tissue.
And he was able to perform theprocedure in an office setting
instead of a hospital because hehad a portable electroshock
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machine.
That he would just like sleep inhis office.
SPEAKER_02 (11:14):
It sounds so horrible to us today.
I you have to remember that whenyou're thinking about this, it's
way back when this was likevery, very like new
up-and-coming technology.
This is so far like past we'reso far beyond medically, you
know, transition from this thatlike it sounds so horrible to
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us.
But at the time, this wasprobably like, oh my gosh.
Next sentence.
SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
In 1950, Walter Freeman's long-term partner,
Watts, James Watts, left thepractice and split from it
because he was disgusted by thenew procedure and didn't want
any part of it.
SPEAKER_02 (11:52):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
So Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (11:54):
Also, 1950's not that long ago.
SPEAKER_01 (11:57):
No, it was not.
Um, and he pr he being Walterperformed the first transorbital
lobotomy surgery for the firsttime in Washington, DC on
housewife on a housewife namedSally Ellen Lonosco in 1950.
So like he did it and then Jameswas like peace, peace, I don't
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want any part of this.
SPEAKER_02 (12:20):
Yeah, because it's horrible.
What do you mean?
You give someone a seizure.
Knock them out, not then shovean ice pick in their eyeball.
Without anesthesia.
Yeah.
Like you're just assuming somany things.
That they can't feel it, thatthey're not gonna wake up.
Oh they felt it.
SPEAKER_03 (12:38):
Yeah, I bet they did.
Can you imagine the migrainewhen you woke up?
SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
It's like the least of my concerns when I wake.
SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
Walter traveled across the country visiting
different mental institutions,performing lobotomies for free,
and to spread his views andinstitution staff.
So he was basically like goingthere and just demonstrating how
to do it to other people so thateveryone could torture their
mental patients.
SPEAKER_02 (13:03):
You get a lobotomy.
You get a lobotomy.
The Oprah of lobotomies.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
He gained a lot of popularity despite the
widespread criticism of hismethods following lobotomy on
President John F.
Kennedy's sister, RosemaryKennedy, which left her with
severe mental and physicaldisabilities.
A memoir, a memoir written by aformer patient, Howard Dudley,
called My Lobotomy, documented alot of experiences that he had
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with Walter and his long, longrecovery after going under the
lobotomy surgery when he wasonly 12 years old.
After four decades, Walter hadpersonally performed as many as
4,000 lobotomy surgeries in 23states, and 2,500 of which were
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using the ice pick method.
And Walter performed his lastsurgery in 1967 on Helen
Mortison, a long-term patientwho was recovering from her
third lobotomy from Walter.
Oh my gosh.
She died of a cerebralhemorrhage, as many of his
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patients did.
Up to 100 were reported of dyingfrom the hemorrhages.
And he was finally banned fromperforming surgery.
His patients often had to beretaught how to eat and use the
bathrooms, and rec and relapseswere very common, and some never
recovered.
And about 15% died from theprocedure.
(14:37):
Wow.
In 1951, one of his patients atIowa Cherokee Mental Institute
died when Walter stopped andstepped back to take a photo of
the patient with the ice pick inthe middle of the surgery, and
it accidentally went too farinto the patient's brain when he
let go of it.
SPEAKER_03 (14:59):
How irresponsible.
Yeah, I don't think he cared.
Yeah, it sounds like he didn't.
He was just like, look how coolI am.
Right?
He was just like, Alright.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:11):
And Walter didn't like to wear any gloves or mask
while operating on people'sbrains.
And then just to remindeverybody, he was not a surgeon.
All 4,000 of these surgeries, hewas not a surgeon.
SPEAKER_02 (15:29):
I never even put that together.
He was just he had a doctorate,right?
SPEAKER_01 (15:32):
He had a doctorate in neurology.
Which means he studied brains.
SPEAKER_03 (15:36):
He didn't study how to actually put them open.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (15:40):
And his actual surgeon quit.
So the 4,000 he did was afterhow much everything was.
SPEAKER_02 (15:46):
I did not even put that together.
Oh my gosh.
He was like, I've watched this atime or two.
I can do it.
I got this.
Muscle memory.
SPEAKER_04 (15:54):
You do a little shock, shock, shock, shock,
shock.
SPEAKER_03 (15:58):
Brain better.
My god.
How horrible.
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
And without wearing any gloves or masks.
That's probably half of thecomplications right there.
SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
Infection, disease.
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
So he lobotomized 19 minors, the youngest being a
four-year-old child.
Okay.
What could this four-year-oldpossibly have done that they
thought, yeah, he needed heneeds an ice pick in the eye?
SPEAKER_02 (16:26):
He was probably like not sleeping.
SPEAKER_01 (16:30):
He had a tantrum one too many times.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
Complained of, I don't know, nightmares.
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
Walter often stayed in contact with his former
patients and families and wouldactually check on their
conditions during his trip.
So he did kind of seem to care,but whatever.
And at 57 years old, Freemanretired from position his
position at George WashingtonUniversity, which is after he
got banned from surgery.
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He quit and then opened up amodest practice in California.
So he just went he just became adoctor.
SPEAKER_03 (17:07):
Which is he's qualified for.
Like he's qualified to be adoctor, not a surgeon.
SPEAKER_01 (17:13):
At this point, yeah.
And Walter died of complicationsfrom an operation for cancer on
May 31st, 1972.
Wow.
So he lived a very long life,but hopefully he was suffering
at the end of it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:29):
Yeah.
It's ironic that he died fromsurgery complications.
SPEAKER_01 (17:34):
And that is the story of Walter J.
Freeman.
May he be rotting in hell.
Where he is.
Honestly.
That's horrible.
SPEAKER_02 (17:45):
How did people allow him to continue that surgery for
so long without an actualsurgeon?
Like were they just like, ohyeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:54):
Because he was saying it wasn't like he was
doing it as like an outpatientretreatment because he was doing
it in offices.
It didn't need to be in ahospital.
So like because he wasn't usinganesthesia.
Exactly.
Plus it was the early 1900s, sothey didn't really care.
Yeah, I guess that's true.
And yeah, I mean, like afterdoing it on the president's
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sister and fucking her up.
How did that just like keepeveryone was just like we can
give him 2,000 more shots?
SPEAKER_02 (18:24):
She's just she's just one of the 14%.
It's fine.
SPEAKER_03 (18:29):
My goodness.
SPEAKER_02 (18:31):
Yep.
Horrible.
SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
What do you got for us this week?
SPEAKER_02 (18:36):
Aliens.
SPEAKER_01 (18:38):
Yay, your guys' favorites.
Yes.
We've listened, okay.
SPEAKER_02 (18:42):
And here we are.
SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
We can only talk about aliens so much, y'all.
SPEAKER_02 (18:47):
Yes.
However, this topic I thinkgives me an in to an in to my
next topic, like for next week.
So I think we can we can dothat.
So I am going to tell you todayabout an admiral named Richard
E.
Byrd.
Have you ever heard of him?
SPEAKER_01 (19:04):
No, but I like his name.
I'm like a bird who wants to flyaway.
SPEAKER_02 (19:10):
And he did.
Um, so I'm gonna tell you abouthim and his trip over the
Antarctic ice shelf.
Um ice wall.
Yeah.
So Richard Evelyn Bird was bornon October 25th, 1880.
SPEAKER_01 (19:27):
His male name was Evelyn?
SPEAKER_02 (19:28):
Yes.
It's very common to have likefemale names into male names.
Um he was born on October 25th,1888, in Winchester, Virginia.
He served as an American navalofficer in the United States
Navy from 1913 to 1927, and thenagain um from 1940 to 1947.
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So he was involved in theAmerican Intervention of Mexico,
World War I, and World War II.
He received many awards,including the Medal of Honor,
Navy Cross, Navy DistinguishedService Medal, Legion of Merit,
Distinguished Flying Cross, andCongressional Gold Medal.
So he was very admired duringher service in the Navy.
I see.
Yeah.
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Um, he was most known for beinga pioneer um in aviation, a
polar explorer, and organizer ofpolar logistics.
So his uh main interest was thepoles, north and south.
It sounds like it.
Yeah.
Um he led several expeditionsacross the Atlantic Ocean, the
Arctic Ocean, and a segment ofthe Antarctic Plateau or the ice
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shell.
He also discovered the largestdormant volcano in Antarctica,
which is Mount Siddeley.
Byrd claimed to be the first toreach both the North and South
Poles by air.
There is some controversy as towhether he was actually the
first person to reach the NorthPole.
Um, it's generally believed thatthe distance he claimed to have
flown was longer than thepossible fuel range of his
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airplane.
But he was just trying to one-upSanta.
Yes.
Um today though, I'm gonna talkabout his journey to or rather
through the South Pole orpotentially Middle Earth.
So, after World War II in 1946,Bird was asked if he would lead
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kind of like an armada toexplore the poles, particularly
Antarctica in the South Pole.
This is known to this day to bethe largest exploration of
Antarctica.
This was supposed to be alarge-scale military operation
extending about seven months,where the goal was simply to
just train military personnel,test military weapons in extreme
cold, consolidate Americanterritory, and map the Antarctic
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coastline.
Um, beginning August 26, 1946,this was interesting to me
because August 26th is mysister's birthday.
And this exploration likeofficially ended on June 23rd,
which is my birthday.
So that's kind of weird.
Okay.
Beginning on August 26, 1946,Admiral Byrd led 4,700 men, 13
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ships, and 33 aircrafts toexplore the Antarctic region.
They explored by water throughDecember, and then December
through March is when AdmiralByrd was stationed in what would
be founded as Little America.
His job along with three othermen was to explore the
territory, map, and landscapeand find potential areas for
military bases.
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It's important to note that Byrdwas a renowned naval officer,
was very educated, and wasincredibly skilled in
navigation.
That's important to rememberwhen we're talking about what he
reports.
unknown (22:40):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (22:41):
Because a lot of people were like, no, he was
just lost.
This man knew what he was doing.
Things were going well with theoperation until about February
of 1947.
Around this time, Admiral Byrdstarted putting out strange
press reports talking about thepotential of crafts to attack
America by coming inmysteriously from other areas in
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North and South Pole.
People thought this was kind ofstrange, but due to his military
background, they initially justthought he was planning ahead.
You know, like doing militarystrategy.
On February 19th, 1947, theAdmiral made the flight over the
North Pole and beyond.
This is the flight that changedeverything.
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This exploration startednormally.
Bird was in constant radiocontact with the what they set
up as Command Central.
He took off at 0600 hours withfull fuel tanks and normal
functioning plane and equipment.
For the first three hours, hisreports are what was expected
snow, ice, wind, and flat land.
At around 9 30, Bird reportedslight mountainous conditions in
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the distance.
As he approached, he describedtall ice mountains covered in
snow.
This is where he decided todescend and passes over what we
know today as the Antarctic IceShelf.
Now, before I keep going, it isalso important to remember that
today Antarctica is veryregulated.
Only certain people are allowedto go to certain areas, and
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absolutely nobody is allowedbeyond the ice shelf.
Yes.
Like nobody.
SPEAKER_01 (24:19):
And it's like the one country that every single
country is all united on thatthey're like, you're not allowed
to explore it.
So what the is happening?
SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
That's later in my notes because there's a treaty.
SPEAKER_01 (24:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:34):
That literally everybody agrees.
You cannot touch it, you cannottest nuclear weapons there.
You cannot like mine.
You can't do anything.
So bird flies over the iceshelf, and at first it is the
bird flies.
It's okay.
Bird flies over the ice shelf,and at first.
SPEAKER_04 (24:59):
I'm dirty.
I'm an adult.
Stop.
He flies.
Admiral Bird.
SPEAKER_01 (25:13):
Pigeon with like a military beret, sorry.
SPEAKER_02 (25:18):
So he flies over the ice shelf, and at first it is
the same, snowy terrains.
At about 1030 um sorry.
At about 1030, his reports startto change.
He starts to report seeing greenterrain, what look to be forests
in the distance, and sun.
The lower he gets, the greenerand more lush the land becomes.
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He radios to base that he knowswhat he is seeing should not be.
The terrain should still be snowand ice, but instead it's
beautiful.
He then radios back and statesthat he can see some kind of
creature.
Initially he reports it as anelephant, but after lowering
altitude to a thousand feet, hereports that what he is seeing
actually looks more like awoolly mammoth.
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As you can imagine, Bird is nearhysterical in his radio reports.
It I'm going to like when I wasresearching it, I was listening
to obviously it's not him sayingit, but it's like a reenactment,
and his words are like it almostsounds manic, you know, because
he's like, I this is not whatI'm supposed to be seeing, but
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this is what I'm seeing.
Um he states multiple times thatsomething is wrong here.
This isn't what should be, butit is incredible and amazing.
He then radios that he is goingto fly near the forest to see if
there's a place to land theplane and look for mineral
deposits.
Namely, they were looking foruranium and of course oil.
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After he radios his plan, radiosignal is lost between Bird and
his base.
Based off of what I talk aboutlater, I think this was around
11:30 when communication islost.
SPEAKER_01 (26:55):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
After about five hours of lost communication, and
this is also based off of my ownmental math, so it could be a
little longer or shorter.
Um, radio signal is establishedagain.
He flew back to base, landed theplane, and the adventure that
was supposed to go through Marchended that day as soon as the
plane landed.
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What Bird reported happened inthose five hours is what I
believe led to an untimely andpurposeful death.
Um, when he returned to base,everyone was praising him for
being the first person to fly asfar as he did.
This was an 18-hour journey thathe had completed, so naturally
news outlets were eager to holdpress conferences to hear about
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what he had found.
The press conference I can findthe most on of was of Byrd
speaking about what he saw inAntarctica.
Okay, so I'm gonna play aninterview with uh Admiral Byrd.
This is an actual interview,actually Byrd um in this
interview, and he died not toolong after this interview.
So okay.
SPEAKER_00 (28:02):
Is there any splored land left on this earth that
might appeal to adventurousyoung Americans?
Uh yes, there is.
And not up around the North Polebecause it's getting crowded up
there now, because they find outit's really usable.
Not only Bolivian, but military.
But strangely enough, there'sleft in the world today an area
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as big as the United Statesthat's never been seen by human
beings.
And that's beyond the pole onthe other side of the South Pole
from Middle America.
And it's uh I think it's quiteastonishing.
There should be an area as bigas that, unexplored.
That's a tremendous.
Oh, there's a lot of adventureleft down at the bottom of the
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world.
You found enough coal within 180miles with a south pole.
In a great uh major mountains.
It's not covered as soon.
Enough to supply the wholeworld.
Wait, what?
Uh the coal.
Now there's evidence of um othermany other minerals.
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Uh we are pretty sure there'soil and that coal shows the
bottom of the well.
They are by far the coolest inthe world.
Where that coal is gets hundredbelow zero.
So uh we think there's oilthere, and there's evidence.
The uranium.
(29:30):
That would be nothing, it wouldbe practical to uh actually go
after, I suppose.
Everything else would beeconomically uh unfeasible,
wouldn't it?
Well, as we recklessly expandtheir resources, the time will
come and we can we'll have to goafter that stuff then.
No, I avoided what you saidabout a uranium.
I'm not sure about that.
I don't want to have the worldquite all the Antarctic.
SPEAKER_02 (29:53):
So that's basically what the interview was saying.
There's you know, he's talkingabout how he has seen this whole
section of the world that hasbeen untouched.
And uh this was also I mean,when he was in Antarctica and
when he came back, he didn'tstop talking about this mission.
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Like it was uh even after theyleft, I mean, the conspiracy is
that he was briefed to notdiscuss this.
Um and but he just kept doingit.
Um and then that interview umhappened, and then I think he
also died in 1957, so not longafter that interview.
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He died, and uh this was gonnabe at the end, but he died of
what they say is complicationsdue to inhaling too much carbon
dioxide when he was inAntarctica.
I don't know if I believe that,especially because listening to
him in that interview, he soundsvery like coherent.
Yeah, you know, it doesn't soundlike he's having breathing
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problems, it doesn't sound likehe's confused, he just sounds
normal.
Yeah.
Other than what he's talkingabout, right?
Like what he's talking aboutsounds kind of wild, but okay.
After the initial interviews andexploration, Bird continued to
talk about the land inAntarctica and how amazing it
was.
In 1956, he started to name moreof the anomalies he saw out
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loud, things he hadn't disclosedpreviously.
Like what?
Like what we heard in theinterview.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, shortly before his death, hewas talking about an enchanted
continent in the sky full ofmystery.
Shortly after he started doingthis, it was announced that the
admiral was suffering from braindamage due to prolonged exposure
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to carbon monoxide during hisstay in his hut in Antarctica,
and shortly after that passedaway on March 11th, 1957.
So, you're probably wonderingwhat the big deal really is,
because so far nothing is toounusual or too like interesting.
Um, everything I've said so faris only what was released to the
public through Byrd himself orother government agencies.
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The conspiracy really comes intoplay when Byrd's son finds the
diary of the admiral, whichdocumented every single thing he
saw with the timestamps,including those missing five
hours.
Okay.
And lucky for you, I have theentries.
Yay! So, so this starts February19th, 1947, at 0600 hours.
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All preparations are completefor our flight northward, and we
are airborne with full fueltanks at 0610 hours.
So at 910 in the morning, hereports vast ice and snow below
at 9.15.
In the distance is what appearsto be mountains.
Alright, at 10 o'clock, he saysthat we are crossing over the
small mountain range and stillproceeding northward as best as
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can be ascertained.
Beyond the mountain range iswhat appears to be a valley with
a small river or stream runningthrough the center portion.
There should be no green valleybelow.
Something is definitely wrongand abnormal here.
We should be over ice and snow.
To the port side are greatforests growing on the mountain
slopes.
Our navigation instruments arestill spinning.
The gyroscope is oscillating.
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At 1005, I alter altitude to1400 feet and execute a sharp
left turn to better examine thevalley below.
It is green with either moss ora type of tight knit grass.
The light here seems different.
I cannot see the sun anymore.
We make another left turn and wespot what seems to be a large
animal of some kind below us.
It appears to be an elephant.
No, it looks more like amammoth.
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This is incredible, yet there itis.
Decrease altitude to 10,0001,000 feet and take binoculars
to better examine the animal.
It is confirmed it is definitelya mammoth-like animal.
Report this to Base Camp.
1030.
The external temperatureindicator reads 74 degrees
Fahrenheit.
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Continuing on our heading now.
Navigation Instruments seemnormal now.
I am puzzled over their actions.
Attempt to contact Basecamp.
Radio is not functioning.
So this is when he losescommunication.
Countryside below is more leveland normal, if I may use that
word.
Ahead, we spot what seems to bea city.
This is impossible.
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Aircraft seems light and oddlybuoyant.
The controls refuse to respond.
My god, off our port andstarboard wings are a strange
type of aircraft.
They are closing rapidlyalongside.
They are disc shaped and have aradiant quality to them.
They are close enough now to seethe markings on them.
It is a type of swastika.
This is fantastic.
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Where are we?
What has happened?
Was this before World War II?
Nope, it was after.
So that's also one of theconspira like the um I guess
what do you call it when peopleare trying to debunk um I I I
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know the word I can't think of.
SPEAKER_01 (35:02):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:03):
So that's one of the like things that people use to
debunk the conspiracy is thatafter World War II, the Nazis
fled south to Antarctica,Argentina.
SPEAKER_01 (35:14):
So they're thinking it's like um Nazis.
That like made up camp there,made up their city.
SPEAKER_02 (35:23):
Yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
And they somehow have well, Imean they were they somehow have
like all this technology to beable to fly these crafts and
control the airplane and I don'tbuy that.
There's I believe that birds sawthis.
SPEAKER_01 (35:40):
I don't think that like aliens would have
swastikas.
SPEAKER_02 (35:44):
Like why when he says swastika type, I mean he
said it's some type of swastika.
So I'm thinking that that wasmaybe the closest thing that he
knew from his own experience toto say it looked like.
SPEAKER_01 (36:01):
That's why I asked if it was like after World War
II, because if like especiallythat close to it, you wouldn't
know what that looked like.
So for you to say it would haveto look pretty close.
It would have to look prettyclose, especially because it's
like such a sign of like eviland hate, especially because he
was American, right?
Yeah.
(36:21):
So they weren't even like ourallies, like we were against
them.
Yeah.
So for them, for him to be like,that's a like it would have to
be like a slastic.
SPEAKER_02 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah.
I tug at the controls again,they will not respond.
We are caught in an invisiblevice grip of some type.
At 1135, our radio crackles, anda voice comes through in English
with what perhaps is a slightNordic or Germanic accent.
Welcome, Admiral, to our domain.
We shall land you in exactlyseven minutes.
Relax, Admiral, you are in goodhands.
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Oh creepy.
I note the engines of our planehave stopped running.
The aircraft is under somestrange control and is now
turning itself.
The controls are useless.
At eleven forty, another radiomessage received.
We begin the landing processnow.
In moment and in moments theplane shudders slightly and
begins a descent as thoughcaught in some great unseen
(37:09):
elevator.
The downward motion isnegligible, and we touch down
with only a slight jolt.
SPEAKER_01 (37:14):
And how many people are on this plane?
SPEAKER_02 (37:17):
Just him and another captain.
And what does the other captainsay?
There is no note, no record ofwhat he's saying.
At 1145, he says, I'm making ahasty last entry in the flight
log.
Several men are approaching onfoot toward our aircraft.
They are tall with blonde hair.
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In the distance is a largeshimmering city pulsating with
rainbow hues of color.
I do not know what is going tohappen now, but I see no signs
of weapons on those approaching.
I hear now a voice ordering meby name to open the cargo door.
I comply.
End log.
From this point, I write all thefollowing events here from
memory.
It defies the imagination andwould seem all but madness if it
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had not happened.
The radio man and I are takenfrom the aircraft and we are
received in the most cordialmanner.
We were then boarded on a smallplatform with no wheels, like in
convey like a convenience withno like a conveyor belt with no
wheels.
It moves us toward the glowingcity with great swiftness.
As we approach, the city seemsto be made of a crystal
material.
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Soon we arrive at a largebuilding that is a type I have
never seen before.
It appears to be out of thedesign board of Frank Lloyd
Wright, or perhaps morecorrectly, out of a Buck Rogers
setting.
We are given some type of warmbeverage which tasted like
nothing I have ever savoredbefore.
It is delicious.
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After about ten minutes, two ofour wondrous appearing hosts
come to our quarters andannounce that I am to accompany
them.
I have no choice but to comply.
I leave my radio man behind andwe walk a short distance and
enter into what seems to be anelevator.
We descend downward for somemoments, the machine stops and
the door lifts.
We then proceed down a longhallway that is lit by a
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rose-colored light that seems tobe emanating from the very walls
themselves.
One of the beings motions for usto stop before a great door.
Over the door is an inscriptionthat I cannot read.
The great door slidesnoiselessly open and I am
beckoned to enter.
One of my hosts speak, You haveno fear, Admiral.
You are to have an audience withthe master.
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I step inside and my eyes adjustto the beautiful coloration that
seems to be filling the roomcompletely.
Then I begin to see mysurroundings.
What greeted my eyes is the mostbeautiful sight of my entire
existence.
It is in fact too beautiful andwondrous to describe.
It is exquisite and delicate.
I do not think there exists ahuman term that can describe it
in any detail with justice.
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My thoughts are interrupted in acordial manner by a warm, rich
voice of melodious quality.
I bid you welcome to our domainadmiral.
I see a man with delicatefeatures and with the etching of
years upon his face.
He is seated at a long table.
He motions me to sit down in oneof the chairs.
After I am seated, he places hisfingertips together and smiles.
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He speaks softly again andconveys the following We have
let you enter here because youare of noble character and well
known on the surface world.
Surface world, I half gasp undermy breath.
Yes, the master replies with asmile.
You are in the domain of theAriani, the inner world of the
Earth.
We shall not long delay yourmission, and you will be safely
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escorted back to the surface fora distance and for a distance
beyond.
But now, Admiral, I shall tellyou why you have been summoned
here.
Our interest rightly begins justafter your race exploded the
first atomic bombs overHiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan.
It was at that alarming time wesent our flying machines, the
Flugel Rads, to your surfaceworld to investigate what your
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race had done.
This is, of course, past historynow, my dear Admiral, but I must
continue on.
You see, we have neverinterfered before in your race's
wars and barbarity, but now wemust, for you have learned to
tamper with a certain power thatis not for man, namely that of
atomic energy.
Our emissaries have alreadydelivered messages to the powers
of our world, and yet they donot heed.
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Now you have been chosen to bewitness here that our world does
exist.
You see, our culture and scienceis mainly thousands of years
beyond your race, Admiral.
I interrupted.
But what does this have to dowith me, sir?
The master's eyes seemed topenetrate deeply into my mind,
and after studying me for a fewmoments he replied, Your race
has now reached the point of noreturn, for there are those
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among you who would destroy yourvery world rather than
relinquish their power as theyknow it.
I nodded, and the mastercontinued.
In nineteen forty five andafterward, we tried to contact
your race, but our efforts weremet with hostility.
Our flugel rods were fired upon.
Yes, even pursued with maliceand animosity by our your
fighter planes.
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So now I say to you, my son,there is a great storm of
gathering in your world, a blackfury that will not spend itself
for many years.
There will be no answer in yourarms, there will be no safety in
your science.
It may rage on until everyflower of your culture is
trampled and all human thingsare leveled in vast chaos.
(42:19):
Your recent war was only aprelude of what is yet to come
for your race.
We here see it more clearly witheach hour.
Do you say I am mistaken?
No, I answer.
It happened once before.
The dark ages came and theylasted for more than five
hundred years.
Yes, my son, replied the master.
The dark ages that will come nowfor your race will cover the
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earth like a pall, but I believethat some of your race will live
through the storm.
Beyond that I cannot say.
We see at a great distance a newworld stirring from the ruins of
your race, seeking its lost andlegendary treasures, and they
will be here, my son, safe inour keeping.
When that time arrives, we shallcome forward again to help
revive your culture and yourrace.
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Perhaps by then you will havelearned the futility of war and
its strife, and after that timecertain of your culture and
science will be returned foryour race to begin anew.
You, my son, are to return tothe service world with this
message.
With these closing words, ourmeeting seemed at an end.
I stood for a moment as in adream, but yet I knew this was
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reality, and for some strangereason I bowed slightly.
Either out of respect orhumility, I do not know which.
Suddenly I was again aware thatthe two beautiful hosts who had
brought me here were again at myside.
This way, Admiral, motioned one.
I turned once more beforeleaving and looked back toward
the master.
A gentle smile was etched on hisdelicate and ancient face.
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Farewell, my son, he spoke.
Then he gestured with a lovely,slender hand motion of peace,
and our meeting was truly ended.
SPEAKER_04 (43:53):
That's crazy.
Right?
So that is it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
So it sounds like the aliens or whatever they are,
they're like so they had theswastikas and then they're like
upset that we bombed Hiroshimaand um oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.
The Magazaki Yeah So like werethey and they're tall and blonde
(44:28):
like what the Nazis were rightlike I don't know that's weird
Yeah it's really weird it'sreally weird so uh um after is
there any chance so hedescended.
I know a long time ago and stillum to this day if it happens on
(44:48):
accidents when you descend toofast your brain it I can't
remember what it's called, butsomething happens to your brain
where you like hallucinate andstuff.
Yeah.
I wonder if it wasn't likebeings, like what if it was
Nazis that did set up a campthere and then they kind of
(45:12):
kidnapped him and they took himand they were like kind of made
not really torturing him, butlike you bombed Hiroshima like
whatever.
And in his mind, like that washad whatever this problem is, he
saw them as like other beings,but they were really just Nazis.
SPEAKER_02 (45:32):
Maybe, but at the same time, why would the Nazis
be like warning him of I don'tthink they did, I think he
imagined that.
Like I think Oh, you think thathe was against like the war, and
so his brain like added that in?
SPEAKER_01 (45:51):
I think they kind of took him, they were talking to
him about the war, not likewarning him, but kind of like
torturing him because he wasagainst them.
So like he twisted what theywere saying in his mind because
they they said that he dranksomething warm, so like they
(46:11):
might have drugged him too.
True.
So I think it was I don't thinkit was alien, I think it was a
settlement of Nazis, becauseGermany probably knew that
nobody was there.
SPEAKER_02 (46:23):
Maybe because Well, at this point in time, there it
was Unexplored.
SPEAKER_01 (46:28):
But their scientists would also know that it was
unexplored, is what I mean.
Like if they wouldn't know thatyou're saying so what if it was
like a bunch of Nazis, theykidnapped him, they drugged him,
or he had like the carbonx,whatever it is, and he just kind
of like twisted what actuallyhappened.
Because your brain also doesthat.
(46:49):
Like when you're under a lot ofstress, when you're being
tortured, your brain just kindof fills in.
SPEAKER_02 (46:55):
And yeah, he does mention that all of that is like
written from memory, yeah, aftera certain point.
SPEAKER_01 (47:01):
Um yeah, I don't know.
Especially if like the othercaptain hasn't come out and said
anything.
Well, not yet.
SPEAKER_02 (47:10):
In my notes.
Okay, but um, there's no likedialogue from his perspective at
that point in time.
Um, he did come out and do aninterview, which I will play,
um, basically stating that hewasn't allowed to look because
he was the at a certain point,he was the only one who Bird was
(47:35):
the only one who went back withthe master.
unknown (47:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (47:38):
So his radio man did this interview and uh he says
basically that he wasn'tallowed, like the government
didn't allow him to look out thecaptain's logs.
Like he was banned from readingthem, he couldn't read any of
them.
And the captain logs uh you readout loud?
Yes.
Starting from like when he wastaking time stamps all the way
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through.
So he wasn't allowed to read anyof it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (48:06):
So well, I mean, he was in the plane, so he would
have seen the woolly mammoth.
Did he talk about anything likethat ever?
He he saw the woolly mammoth.
SPEAKER_02 (48:16):
Okay.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (48:18):
Um that I don't have a hard time believing, to be
honest.
Like me neither.
It's a giant animal.
It's in the Antarctic,obviously, like whatever animals
are gonna be, there are gonna befurry.
So like I that didn't reallylike Yeah, that wasn't too
crazy.
SPEAKER_02 (48:34):
That didn't blow me away.
SPEAKER_01 (48:35):
It was just an animal that we've never seen
before.
SPEAKER_02 (48:37):
I also like the idea that he was hallucinating all of
this.
And then to come out in 1957 anddo an interview stating the same
things happened, like he's I Ibelieve he believes they
happened though.
SPEAKER_01 (48:56):
Like, even though he hallucinated it, like I I think
he truly believes it happened.
So we would continue talkingabout it.
SPEAKER_02 (49:03):
What I'm saying is, like, do you do you remember
those hallucinations, or whenyou finally come to, are you
like, wow, I hallucinated that?
SPEAKER_01 (49:11):
No, I think you believe your hallucinations.
SPEAKER_03 (49:14):
Well, at the time you do, but once you're not No,
I I believe he he believes whathe hallucinated was true.
SPEAKER_02 (49:23):
Okay, well What I'm saying is I know what you're
saying.
SPEAKER_01 (49:28):
I'm I'm giving you my answer.
I think he didn't wake like Ithink he thinks it's true.
Like he didn't wake up and waslike, oh, they're
hallucinations.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (49:36):
I'm saying like he doesn't remember a like a coming
to point.
SPEAKER_01 (49:40):
No, I think it was drugs or like I his brain made
those memories, so they are hismemories.
SPEAKER_02 (49:45):
They are his memory.
SPEAKER_01 (49:46):
Like that one um chick just recently, she was in
a coma for a few months, likethree months.
A 16-year-old she woke up fullybelieving that she had a family
and two kids, and she had to goto grief therapy because she
lost her family when she wokeup.
Like your brain does wild thingsand does it, or are those
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alternate timelines?
SPEAKER_02 (50:13):
Alternate dimensions, alternate timelines.
I don't know.
I believe that this allhappened.
I don't believe he was drugged.
I believe that this happened.
SPEAKER_01 (50:20):
I I it's just I would believe it more if they
didn't resemble Nazis so much.
And they weren't flying planeswith swastikas on it.
SPEAKER_02 (50:31):
But they weren't planes, they were disc-shaped
crafts that didn't make anynoise.
And very guided.
That's what he reported?
I believe him.
Okay.
Um also I just watched a coupleof TikToks about what like the
P47 and P52s look like.
(50:52):
Tall, blonde, lanky, skinny.
So could it be Nazis, maybe?
Is it aliens?
Probably.
SPEAKER_01 (51:00):
But they weren't talking like they were P47s and
P52s, they were talking likethey were a different species.
Right.
They were so like P47s and P52sare humans from the future.
And they didn't like talk likeso like there's just a few
things that like seemed off tome.
Like Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (51:18):
But there could be like several different species.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (51:20):
We have to agree.
SPEAKER_02 (51:22):
No, but I uh but that's the point of the best to
talk about it.
Exactly, exactly.
So I yeah, I believe that'shappened.
SPEAKER_01 (51:30):
Yeah, I think they're just too similar to
Nazis for me to believe.
Um, I also don't know what Nazispider does like they might have
had more technology than we did.
Or if he was only looking atfrom the side and like it was a
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rounded wing, it could havelooked like also at that point
if he had descended too fast, hehad already started
hallucinating exactly in yourtheory.
SPEAKER_02 (52:00):
So yeah, so it he could have thought it was space
crafts when really it was justairplanes.
Yeah, yeah.
Um so anyway, after all of that,um he died in 1957, and then uh
the oh, this is when um mybirthday in it was the Antarctic
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Treaty that was signed inWashington, DC.
So it was signed on Decemberfirst, nineteen fifty-nine, and
then um it was put into place onJune twenty-third, nineteen
sixty.
Oh nineteen actually w I thinkit was nineteen sixty-one.
It was two years before it wasput into place.
Okay.
Um, and it established thecontinent as a demilitarized
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zone dedicated exclusively topeaceful scientific research and
international cooperation.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (52:49):
Um a lot of crazy stuff goes on in Antarctica.
SPEAKER_02 (52:54):
Right.
So, um that's basically thestory.
So he uh went to Antarctica andthe conspiracy is that he flew
over the ice shelf.
Um and when he uh uh descended,he flew into the uh Middle
Earth, Middle Earth theory.
SPEAKER_01 (53:14):
Um but there is uh obviously one part that confused
me, so he said it was 74 degreesFahrenheit, but he also said it
was like negative a hundreddegrees where the coal was.
Where the coal was.
Okay, so not where he was.
Right.
Okay, got it, got it, got it.
(53:34):
Yeah.
Um and it was they're saying itwas impossible for him to fly
the 18 hours on the fuel that hehad.
SPEAKER_04 (53:46):
Yeah.
So they think he went somewhereelse.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (53:51):
I I could believe that.
Like if he was descending to healso said that his instruments
were weird.
So what if his instruments werefaulty and they were like
mistaken and he did flysomewhere else?
Not of maybe not unmistakable.
You said he's a great pilot, buthe's a great pilot at with
(54:12):
reading instruments.
SPEAKER_02 (54:13):
Yeah, yeah.
He has navigational skills thathe applies to by using
instruments.
SPEAKER_01 (54:18):
So if the m instruments were malfunctioning,
it's very possible that he didfly somewhere else and he wasn't
yeah, like he could have wentpast the ice wall, which is why
he thought he was past the icewall, but he could have landed
in a different country.
SPEAKER_02 (54:33):
Yeah, yeah, and that is one of the theories that he
landed in what we know now isGreenland.
SPEAKER_01 (54:38):
That's what I was thinking! Yeah, because they're
right next to each other inGreenland is icy, but it also
has terrain.
It does have terrain and it getswarmer than Antarctica by a lot.
So that is the only part thatmakes me think, okay, maybe and
that would make more sense thatthe Nazis would go to Greenland
than to Antarctica.
SPEAKER_02 (54:57):
Yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (54:58):
So I think that's my theory.
He was wrong.
He went to Greenland, hedescended too quickly, started
getting whatever that disease iscalled.
SPEAKER_02 (55:07):
Hallucinating, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (55:08):
Started hallucinating.
The Nazis saw a random Americanplane, they were like, Excuse
me.
They probably interviewed himand they were like, Were you one
of the ones who bombedHiroshima?
Were you like, what are youdoing here?
Do you know us?
What's your name?
He probably told them his name,and then they start calling him
his name, and he's like, Whoa,how do they know my name?
(55:30):
Yeah, like yeah, like I couldsee still, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (55:33):
He probably said, I'm Admiral Byrd, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (55:35):
I could see like all of that happening.
Yeah, I could see that too.
I um if I would have 100%believed the alien theory if
they didn't have the swastikas.
As soon as you said that I waslike, no.
I don't I don't think I don'tknow.
I I don't know why, but I feellike aliens wouldn't be behind
(55:57):
enslavement.
SPEAKER_02 (55:59):
No, I don't think they would be behind
enslavement.
I also don't I also don't thinkthat it was necessarily a
swastika that he saw.
I think it was probably morelike just swastika-like.
And it makes sense what you'resaying to, you know, to just be
out of World War II and be, youknow, very familiar with what
that symbol looks like.
SPEAKER_01 (56:20):
But I I think to call as an American to call
something a swastika, it wouldhave to be like very
swastika-like.
I don't know.
Like you wouldn't just see an Xand be like or like a cross and
be like, oh that that looks likea swastika.
SPEAKER_02 (56:37):
Well, no, I no, I don't think that it was like
that.
I think it was like a similar inshape and design, but like so um
I don't know.
That's the Yeah, that's a goodtheory.
And a lot of it makes sense.
I don't know, I still I stillbelieve because uh I do believe
that there are alternatedimensions and timelines and um
(56:58):
one of the theories on theconspiracy side is that there is
a land called Agartha.
SPEAKER_01 (57:06):
I have so many videos saved because I was gonna
do Agartha soon.
I was gonna do Agartha nextweek.
It's all yours.
Okay, I'll delete my videos.
But just a warning, I I studiedit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (57:17):
That's fine.
SPEAKER_02 (57:18):
So, um yeah, yeah.
So it's the theory is that hewent to Agartha, and there are
several entries around the worldto get to Agartha.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (57:29):
I just think like everything that I've read about
aliens that I believe, they'realways like you guys killed
yourself because of nuclear war.
Like all like they said, theyseem against it.
So I just I can't get behindthese aliens being mad that we
(57:49):
were against the knot.
That's like that was my wholeturn of it.
They didn't say that.
I it kind of sounded like itwhen they were mad about bombing
Hiroshima who was against usbecause they were siding with
Germany.
SPEAKER_02 (58:04):
Well, they were mad about using atomic, like nuclear
war to But they did it first inPearl Harbor.
SPEAKER_01 (58:11):
That's why we did it.
SPEAKER_02 (58:13):
Right.
So his the point of this is toshare with the entire world that
this is not the way youapproach.
SPEAKER_01 (58:22):
It was more like the swastika, the blonde hair, and
the being mad about Hiroshimathat made it seem like they were
on Germany's side.
I get it.
And I just don't believe alienswould be on Germany's.
I might be completely wrong.
SPEAKER_02 (58:35):
I don't think they would be on Germany's side
either.
I don't.
SPEAKER_01 (58:38):
Maybe I just have too much faith in aliens.
Maybe that's my problem.
I I I mean, I don't thinkanybody would be on Germany's
side, but honestly.
Yeah.
So who am I to say?
Who am I to say?
I have too much faith inhumanity and aliens.
So right.
SPEAKER_03 (58:59):
Same.
SPEAKER_02 (59:00):
I just think everybody's good.
Maybe me too.
I always believe that people aregood.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (59:05):
So immediately I'm like, nope, these aliens
wouldn't.
It's fake, it's not my alien.
SPEAKER_02 (59:12):
Not my So yeah, that's the story of Admiral Byrd
and how he maybe went toAgartha.
Maybe he was knockedunconscious, maybe he was
drugged by Nazis.
I think I think he was druggedby Nazis in Greenland.
I think that that is the mostplausible if you don't believe
(59:36):
the like if you don't take hisaccounts as factual.
Like if you don't believe hisactual accounts.
I do believe them because Ibelieve in alien uh possession,
and I disagree with how youinterpreted what the aliens were
saying and being on Germany'sside.
SPEAKER_04 (59:59):
But who knows?
Who knows?
It's a conspiracy.
What do you guys think?
Yeah, tell us what you guysthink.
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I'm sure something will piss usoff next week though.
So right?
Stay tuned for that.
Stay tuned for that.
We are gonna go take um newpictures for our new logo today,
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If we like the pictures, whichthere's a 90% chance that we're
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because every time we take apicture, we're like, ew.
Well, one of us always looksgood and the other one looks
bad.
We can't take a picture whereboth of us look good at the same
time.
Best friends, it's just illegalfor the people.
It's true, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:43):
It's true.
Also, it is so hot out already.
Is it?
I thought it was cold when Itook the trash this morning.
No, it when I got here, I waslike, it's kind of muggy.
And then I just saw on myweather app that it's like 74.
SPEAKER_04 (01:00:58):
Oh, 74 is not hot.
But it's thick.
That's hot.
Hot and sticky and grosstonight.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:06):
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(02:17):
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But it'll be fun.
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Alright.
So do you have anything else youwant to talk about?
Or do you just want to diveright in?
We can dive right in.
You're going first today?
Yes, ma'am.
So last week I talked aboutNellie Bly and her advocacy for
mental hail.
Mental hail.
I I don't know if you guys knowthis, but I'm uh from the south.
(02:38):
I'm from Alabama.
SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
So sometimes my accent I think that's where the
again comes in.
Shut up.
SPEAKER_01 (02:49):
I grew up like my uh mom lived in Ohio, my dad lived
in Alabama, so I grew up betweenboth.
So only sometimes does thecountry slip out.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:01):
That's so funny.
So you have like the Midwesternlike A.
Yeah and then the the Southernlike draw.
Yeah.
Yeah, draw.
SPEAKER_01 (03:09):
So my voice is just weird.
Like, I'll be hearing myselfwhen I'm clicking.
I'm like, why am I talking likethat?
Shut up.
Alright, I'm gonna start over.
So she advocated for mentalhealth patients.
This week I'm gonna go theopposite direction and talk
(03:31):
about someone who helped destroymental health patients.
How exciting.
Walter J.
Freeman was born on November14th, 1895 in Philadelphia.
He came from a family ofdoctors.
His grandfather was a well-knownCivil War surgeon, and his
father was a very successfuldoctor.
(03:51):
So Walter wanted to follow intheir footsteps and began to
study neurology at theUniversity of Pennsylvania Metal
School School.
After he graduated in 1924,Walter moved to Washington, D.C.
and started working at St.
Elizabeth's Hospital DirectingLaboratories, where he became
the first practicing neurologistin D.C.
(04:13):
at the time.
Working at the hospital andwitnessing the pain and
suffering that the patients wereenduring, it encouraged him to
deepen his education inneurology.
So he went back to school toearn his PhD in neuropathology
and became the head of neurologydepartment at George Washington
(04:33):
University in Washington, D.C.
SPEAKER_02 (04:35):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (04:35):
Yes.
He starts off good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like so far so good.
So far he's doing good, sweetie.
On November 12th, 1935, a newpsychosurgery procedure was
performed in Portugal under thedirection of the neurologist and
physician Igis Monez.
(04:57):
I am probably saying that wrong,sorry guys.
Which is funny because I like amSpanish, I just can't speak it.
His leukota procedure wasintended to treat mental
illness.
So he took small corging coringsof the patient's frontal lobes.
And I had to Google what coringsmet because it's it like is it
like a biopsy?
(05:18):
Yeah.
So it is a minim minimallyinvasive bone or tissue sampling
and decompression technique.
SPEAKER_02 (05:25):
How are you about to be minimally minimally invasive
in my brain?
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
We're probably just like scraping a little bit of
the outside brain.
Maybe.
SPEAKER_03 (05:35):
Gross.
SPEAKER_01 (05:38):
We are clearly medical students, so we know
we're not understand.
SPEAKER_03 (05:44):
Don't even know where their frontal lobe is.
Yeah, frontal lobe.
SPEAKER_04 (05:49):
Well, I I don't think it's here.
Like, cause there's two isn'tthere two frontal lobes?
No?
No lobes.
Claro.
SPEAKER_03 (05:59):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (06:00):
Come back to reading.
SPEAKER_03 (06:01):
Yeah, let's listen to this print.
SPEAKER_04 (06:07):
We are the bench slides.
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
Um so Walter decided that he wanted to modify the
procedure and renamed it thelobotomy.
And instead of taking coringsfrom the frontal lobes like
Mones did.
Monas?
It's Mones.
Walter decided he wanted tosever the connection between the
(06:32):
frontal lobes and the thalamus.
I'm pointing, I don't know wherethe thalamus is either.
Yeah.
Guessing behind the frontallobe.
But because Walter was aneurologist and not a
neurosurgeon, he needed the helpof a neurosurgeon, so he
recruited James Watts.
On September 14th, 1936, Walterand Watts did the very first
(06:54):
prefrontal lobotomy in the US onhousewife Alice Hood Hammett of
Tupeka, Kansas.
And why did she need her frontallobe and thalamus disconnected?
I don't know.
Was she crazy?
Well, obviously.
She was suffering from anxiety,insomnia, and depression.
Right.
So I guess tie me up next.
(07:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:18):
I never noticed when you were reading this, so the
word lobotomy, like the lobpart, lobe.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I'm just putting it together.
Automy, like severing.
So is that what otomy?
Well, I'm just thinking of likeother medical terms that end an
automy.
Yeah.
Like what?
Apesiotomy.
unknown (07:41):
No.
SPEAKER_02 (07:41):
Apesiotomy is when you give birth and you tear so
bad that they just cut you fromfront to back.
Ouch.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you can't there'snot enough room for the baby to
come out, so they cut you.
No, no, no.
unknown (07:56):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (07:56):
Nope.
A C-section is in like yourbelly.
This is they cut the partbetween your butt and your
vagina.
Apparently you did not have anapesiotomy.
No.
Yeah, so it's like to severconnection.
Sorry for that.
Visual.
SPEAKER_01 (08:17):
Anyway.
I'm gonna Google automie.
Okay, so in medical terms,automy, it is a surgical suffix
derived from the Greek wordstomos, meaning cutting or to
make an incision.
So we're correct.
SPEAKER_02 (08:29):
I just think it's cool to know the lore of the
word.
unknown (08:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
So by November, only two months after performing
their first lobotomy, Walter andWatts had already worked on 20
cases, including severalfollow-up operations.
And by 1942, they performed over200 lobotomy procedures and had
published results claiming 63%of their patients had improved,
23 were were reported unchanged,and 14% were worse after
(08:57):
surgery.
I feel like 14 is a bigpercentage to just keep going.
SPEAKER_02 (09:04):
Yeah.
Especially only out of like 200you said.
Yeah.
unknown (09:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:10):
That's a big percentage.
SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
64 isn't even like that big of a success rate to
keep trying.
Yeah.
When 14% are worse and umtwenty-three were unchanged.
unknown (09:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Uh if I had those risk, I probably wouldn't.
SPEAKER_02 (09:30):
No, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't either.
SPEAKER_01 (09:32):
But it was back in the day.
And I'm pretty sure these womendid not have a choice.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (09:37):
I don't think they were like, hey, do you want to
do this?
I think they were like, you'redoing it.
SPEAKER_01 (09:41):
I don't think they got a say in their treatment
plan the way we do now.
Walter developed a transorbitalapproach based on the work of an
Italian doctor, Amoro Fiamberti,who operated on the brain
through his patient's eyesockets, allowing him to access
the brain without needing todrill through the skull, which
is which was supposedly supposedto um give them it's like less
(10:03):
invasive if you're going throughthe eye.
How after experimenting withnovel ways of performing these
types of brain surgery, Waltercreated a new procedure called
the transorbital lobotomy.
And his new procedure allowedhim to perform lobotomies
without the use of anesthesiabecause he would just use
(10:24):
electroconvulsion therapy toinduce seizures and knock them
out.
SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
Uh I am too why I am too stunned to speak.
SPEAKER_02 (10:41):
I'm not laughing because it's funny.
Right, it's not funny, haha.
It's funny.
What the fuck?
SPEAKER_01 (10:48):
Walter used a mallet to tap an ice pick through the
orbital roof.
Following penetration of theorbital roof, Walter would sweep
the ice pick laterally toobliterate the frontal lobe
tissue.
And he was able to perform theprocedure in an office setting
instead of a hospital because hehad a portable electroshock
(11:10):
machine.
That he would just like sleep inhis office.
SPEAKER_02 (11:14):
It sounds so horrible to us today.
I you have to remember that whenyou're thinking about this, it's
way back when this was likevery, very like new
up-and-coming technology.
This is so far like past we'reso far beyond medically, you
know, transition from this thatlike it sounds so horrible to
(11:37):
us.
But at the time, this wasprobably like, oh my gosh.
Next sentence.
SPEAKER_01 (11:43):
In 1950, Walter Freeman's long-term partner,
Watts, James Watts, left thepractice and split from it
because he was disgusted by thenew procedure and didn't want
any part of it.
SPEAKER_02 (11:52):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (11:53):
So Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (11:54):
Also, 1950's not that long ago.
SPEAKER_01 (11:57):
No, it was not.
Um, and he pr he being Walterperformed the first transorbital
lobotomy surgery for the firsttime in Washington, DC on
housewife on a housewife namedSally Ellen Lonosco in 1950.
So like he did it and then Jameswas like peace, peace, I don't
(12:19):
want any part of this.
SPEAKER_02 (12:20):
Yeah, because it's horrible.
What do you mean?
You give someone a seizure.
Knock them out, not then shovean ice pick in their eyeball.
Without anesthesia.
Yeah.
Like you're just assuming somany things.
That they can't feel it, thatthey're not gonna wake up.
Oh they felt it.
SPEAKER_03 (12:38):
Yeah, I bet they did.
Can you imagine the migrainewhen you woke up?
SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
It's like the least of my concerns when I wake.
SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
Walter traveled across the country visiting
different mental institutions,performing lobotomies for free,
and to spread his views andinstitution staff.
So he was basically like goingthere and just demonstrating how
to do it to other people so thateveryone could torture their
mental patients.
SPEAKER_02 (13:03):
You get a lobotomy.
You get a lobotomy.
The Oprah of lobotomies.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
He gained a lot of popularity despite the
widespread criticism of hismethods following lobotomy on
President John F.
Kennedy's sister, RosemaryKennedy, which left her with
severe mental and physicaldisabilities.
A memoir, a memoir written by aformer patient, Howard Dudley,
called My Lobotomy, documented alot of experiences that he had
(13:32):
with Walter and his long, longrecovery after going under the
lobotomy surgery when he wasonly 12 years old.
After four decades, Walter hadpersonally performed as many as
4,000 lobotomy surgeries in 23states, and 2,500 of which were
(13:53):
using the ice pick method.
And Walter performed his lastsurgery in 1967 on Helen
Mortison, a long-term patientwho was recovering from her
third lobotomy from Walter.
Oh my gosh.
She died of a cerebralhemorrhage, as many of his
(14:14):
patients did.
Up to 100 were reported of dyingfrom the hemorrhages.
And he was finally banned fromperforming surgery.
His patients often had to beretaught how to eat and use the
bathrooms, and rec and relapseswere very common, and some never
recovered.
And about 15% died from theprocedure.
(14:37):
Wow.
In 1951, one of his patients atIowa Cherokee Mental Institute
died when Walter stopped andstepped back to take a photo of
the patient with the ice pick inthe middle of the surgery, and
it accidentally went too farinto the patient's brain when he
let go of it.
SPEAKER_03 (14:59):
How irresponsible.
Yeah, I don't think he cared.
Yeah, it sounds like he didn't.
He was just like, look how coolI am.
Right?
He was just like, Alright.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:11):
And Walter didn't like to wear any gloves or mask
while operating on people'sbrains.
And then just to remindeverybody, he was not a surgeon.
All 4,000 of these surgeries, hewas not a surgeon.
SPEAKER_02 (15:29):
I never even put that together.
He was just he had a doctorate,right?
SPEAKER_01 (15:32):
He had a doctorate in neurology.
Which means he studied brains.
SPEAKER_03 (15:36):
He didn't study how to actually put them open.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (15:40):
And his actual surgeon quit.
So the 4,000 he did was afterhow much everything was.
SPEAKER_02 (15:46):
I did not even put that together.
Oh my gosh.
He was like, I've watched this atime or two.
I can do it.
I got this.
Muscle memory.
SPEAKER_04 (15:54):
You do a little shock, shock, shock, shock,
shock.
SPEAKER_03 (15:58):
Brain better.
My god.
How horrible.
SPEAKER_01 (16:03):
And without wearing any gloves or masks.
That's probably half of thecomplications right there.
SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
Infection, disease.
SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
So he lobotomized 19 minors, the youngest being a
four-year-old child.
Okay.
What could this four-year-oldpossibly have done that they
thought, yeah, he needed heneeds an ice pick in the eye?
SPEAKER_02 (16:26):
He was probably like not sleeping.
SPEAKER_01 (16:30):
He had a tantrum one too many times.
SPEAKER_02 (16:33):
Complained of, I don't know, nightmares.
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
Walter often stayed in contact with his former
patients and families and wouldactually check on their
conditions during his trip.
So he did kind of seem to care,but whatever.
And at 57 years old, Freemanretired from position his
position at George WashingtonUniversity, which is after he
got banned from surgery.
(16:58):
He quit and then opened up amodest practice in California.
So he just went he just became adoctor.
SPEAKER_03 (17:07):
Which is he's qualified for.
Like he's qualified to be adoctor, not a surgeon.
SPEAKER_01 (17:13):
At this point, yeah.
And Walter died of complicationsfrom an operation for cancer on
May 31st, 1972.
Wow.
So he lived a very long life,but hopefully he was suffering
at the end of it.
SPEAKER_02 (17:29):
Yeah.
It's ironic that he died fromsurgery complications.
SPEAKER_01 (17:34):
And that is the story of Walter J.
Freeman.
May he be rotting in hell.
Where he is.
Honestly.
That's horrible.
SPEAKER_02 (17:45):
How did people allow him to continue that surgery for
so long without an actualsurgeon?
Like were they just like, ohyeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:54):
Because he was saying it wasn't like he was
doing it as like an outpatientretreatment because he was doing
it in offices.
It didn't need to be in ahospital.
So like because he wasn't usinganesthesia.
Exactly.
Plus it was the early 1900s, sothey didn't really care.
Yeah, I guess that's true.
And yeah, I mean, like afterdoing it on the president's
(18:16):
sister and fucking her up.
How did that just like keepeveryone was just like we can
give him 2,000 more shots?
SPEAKER_02 (18:24):
She's just she's just one of the 14%.
It's fine.
SPEAKER_03 (18:29):
My goodness.
SPEAKER_02 (18:31):
Yep.
Horrible.
SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
What do you got for us this week?
SPEAKER_02 (18:36):
Aliens.
SPEAKER_01 (18:38):
Yay, your guys' favorites.
Yes.
We've listened, okay.
SPEAKER_02 (18:42):
And here we are.
SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
We can only talk about aliens so much, y'all.
SPEAKER_02 (18:47):
Yes.
However, this topic I thinkgives me an in to an in to my
next topic, like for next week.
So I think we can we can dothat.
So I am going to tell you todayabout an admiral named Richard
E.
Byrd.
Have you ever heard of him?
SPEAKER_01 (19:04):
No, but I like his name.
I'm like a bird who wants to flyaway.
SPEAKER_02 (19:10):
And he did.
Um, so I'm gonna tell you abouthim and his trip over the
Antarctic ice shelf.
Um ice wall.
Yeah.
So Richard Evelyn Bird was bornon October 25th, 1880.
SPEAKER_01 (19:27):
His male name was Evelyn?
SPEAKER_02 (19:28):
Yes.
It's very common to have likefemale names into male names.
Um he was born on October 25th,1888, in Winchester, Virginia.
He served as an American navalofficer in the United States
Navy from 1913 to 1927, and thenagain um from 1940 to 1947.
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So he was involved in theAmerican Intervention of Mexico,
World War I, and World War II.
He received many awards,including the Medal of Honor,
Navy Cross, Navy DistinguishedService Medal, Legion of Merit,
Distinguished Flying Cross, andCongressional Gold Medal.
So he was very admired duringher service in the Navy.
I see.
Yeah.
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Um, he was most known for beinga pioneer um in aviation, a
polar explorer, and organizer ofpolar logistics.
So his uh main interest was thepoles, north and south.
It sounds like it.
Yeah.
Um he led several expeditionsacross the Atlantic Ocean, the
Arctic Ocean, and a segment ofthe Antarctic Plateau or the ice
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shell.
He also discovered the largestdormant volcano in Antarctica,
which is Mount Siddeley.
Byrd claimed to be the first toreach both the North and South
Poles by air.
There is some controversy as towhether he was actually the
first person to reach the NorthPole.
Um, it's generally believed thatthe distance he claimed to have
flown was longer than thepossible fuel range of his
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airplane.
But he was just trying to one-upSanta.
Yes.
Um today though, I'm gonna talkabout his journey to or rather
through the South Pole orpotentially Middle Earth.
So, after World War II in 1946,Bird was asked if he would lead
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kind of like an armada toexplore the poles, particularly
Antarctica in the South Pole.
This is known to this day to bethe largest exploration of
Antarctica.
This was supposed to be alarge-scale military operation
extending about seven months,where the goal was simply to
just train military personnel,test military weapons in extreme
cold, consolidate Americanterritory, and map the Antarctic
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coastline.
Um, beginning August 26, 1946,this was interesting to me
because August 26th is mysister's birthday.
And this exploration likeofficially ended on June 23rd,
which is my birthday.
So that's kind of weird.
Okay.
Beginning on August 26, 1946,Admiral Byrd led 4,700 men, 13
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ships, and 33 aircrafts toexplore the Antarctic region.
They explored by water throughDecember, and then December
through March is when AdmiralByrd was stationed in what would
be founded as Little America.
His job along with three othermen was to explore the
territory, map, and landscapeand find potential areas for
military bases.
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It's important to note that Byrdwas a renowned naval officer,
was very educated, and wasincredibly skilled in
navigation.
That's important to rememberwhen we're talking about what he
reports.
unknown (22:40):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (22:41):
Because a lot of people were like, no, he was
just lost.
This man knew what he was doing.
Things were going well with theoperation until about February
of 1947.
Around this time, Admiral Byrdstarted putting out strange
press reports talking about thepotential of crafts to attack
America by coming inmysteriously from other areas in
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North and South Pole.
People thought this was kind ofstrange, but due to his military
background, they initially justthought he was planning ahead.
You know, like doing militarystrategy.
On February 19th, 1947, theAdmiral made the flight over the
North Pole and beyond.
This is the flight that changedeverything.
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This exploration startednormally.
Bird was in constant radiocontact with the what they set
up as Command Central.
He took off at 0600 hours withfull fuel tanks and normal
functioning plane and equipment.
For the first three hours, hisreports are what was expected
snow, ice, wind, and flat land.
At around 9 30, Bird reportedslight mountainous conditions in
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the distance.
As he approached, he describedtall ice mountains covered in
snow.
This is where he decided todescend and passes over what we
know today as the Antarctic IceShelf.
Now, before I keep going, it isalso important to remember that
today Antarctica is veryregulated.
Only certain people are allowedto go to certain areas, and
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absolutely nobody is allowedbeyond the ice shelf.
Yes.
Like nobody.
SPEAKER_01 (24:19):
And it's like the one country that every single
country is all united on thatthey're like, you're not allowed
to explore it.
So what the is happening?
SPEAKER_02 (24:31):
That's later in my notes because there's a treaty.
SPEAKER_01 (24:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:34):
That literally everybody agrees.
You cannot touch it, you cannottest nuclear weapons there.
You cannot like mine.
You can't do anything.
So bird flies over the iceshelf, and at first it is the
bird flies.
It's okay.
Bird flies over the ice shelf,and at first.
SPEAKER_04 (24:59):
I'm dirty.
I'm an adult.
Stop.
He flies.
Admiral Bird.
SPEAKER_01 (25:13):
Pigeon with like a military beret, sorry.
SPEAKER_02 (25:18):
So he flies over the ice shelf, and at first it is
the same, snowy terrains.
At about 1030 um sorry.
At about 1030, his reports startto change.
He starts to report seeing greenterrain, what look to be forests
in the distance, and sun.
The lower he gets, the greenerand more lush the land becomes.
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He radios to base that he knowswhat he is seeing should not be.
The terrain should still be snowand ice, but instead it's
beautiful.
He then radios back and statesthat he can see some kind of
creature.
Initially he reports it as anelephant, but after lowering
altitude to a thousand feet, hereports that what he is seeing
actually looks more like awoolly mammoth.
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As you can imagine, Bird is nearhysterical in his radio reports.
It I'm going to like when I wasresearching it, I was listening
to obviously it's not him sayingit, but it's like a reenactment,
and his words are like it almostsounds manic, you know, because
he's like, I this is not whatI'm supposed to be seeing, but
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this is what I'm seeing.
Um he states multiple times thatsomething is wrong here.
This isn't what should be, butit is incredible and amazing.
He then radios that he is goingto fly near the forest to see if
there's a place to land theplane and look for mineral
deposits.
Namely, they were looking foruranium and of course oil.
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After he radios his plan, radiosignal is lost between Bird and
his base.
Based off of what I talk aboutlater, I think this was around
11:30 when communication islost.
SPEAKER_01 (26:55):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
After about five hours of lost communication, and
this is also based off of my ownmental math, so it could be a
little longer or shorter.
Um, radio signal is establishedagain.
He flew back to base, landed theplane, and the adventure that
was supposed to go through Marchended that day as soon as the
plane landed.
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What Bird reported happened inthose five hours is what I
believe led to an untimely andpurposeful death.
Um, when he returned to base,everyone was praising him for
being the first person to fly asfar as he did.
This was an 18-hour journey thathe had completed, so naturally
news outlets were eager to holdpress conferences to hear about
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what he had found.
The press conference I can findthe most on of was of Byrd
speaking about what he saw inAntarctica.
Okay, so I'm gonna play aninterview with uh Admiral Byrd.
This is an actual interview,actually Byrd um in this
interview, and he died not toolong after this interview.
So okay.
SPEAKER_00 (28:02):
Is there any splored land left on this earth that
might appeal to adventurousyoung Americans?
Uh yes, there is.
And not up around the North Polebecause it's getting crowded up
there now, because they find outit's really usable.
Not only Bolivian, but military.
But strangely enough, there'sleft in the world today an area
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as big as the United Statesthat's never been seen by human
beings.
And that's beyond the pole onthe other side of the South Pole
from Middle America.
And it's uh I think it's quiteastonishing.
There should be an area as bigas that, unexplored.
That's a tremendous.
Oh, there's a lot of adventureleft down at the bottom of the
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world.
You found enough coal within 180miles with a south pole.
In a great uh major mountains.
It's not covered as soon.
Enough to supply the wholeworld.
Wait, what?
Uh the coal.
Now there's evidence of um othermany other minerals.
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Uh we are pretty sure there'soil and that coal shows the
bottom of the well.
They are by far the coolest inthe world.
Where that coal is gets hundredbelow zero.
So uh we think there's oilthere, and there's evidence.
The uranium.
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That would be nothing, it wouldbe practical to uh actually go
after, I suppose.
Everything else would beeconomically uh unfeasible,
wouldn't it?
Well, as we recklessly expandtheir resources, the time will
come and we can we'll have to goafter that stuff then.
No, I avoided what you saidabout a uranium.
I'm not sure about that.
I don't want to have the worldquite all the Antarctic.
SPEAKER_02 (29:53):
So that's basically what the interview was saying.
There's you know, he's talkingabout how he has seen this whole
section of the world that hasbeen untouched.
And uh this was also I mean,when he was in Antarctica and
when he came back, he didn'tstop talking about this mission.
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Like it was uh even after theyleft, I mean, the conspiracy is
that he was briefed to notdiscuss this.
Um and but he just kept doingit.
Um and then that interview umhappened, and then I think he
also died in 1957, so not longafter that interview.
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He died, and uh this was gonnabe at the end, but he died of
what they say is complicationsdue to inhaling too much carbon
dioxide when he was inAntarctica.
I don't know if I believe that,especially because listening to
him in that interview, he soundsvery like coherent.
Yeah, you know, it doesn't soundlike he's having breathing
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problems, it doesn't sound likehe's confused, he just sounds
normal.
Yeah.
Other than what he's talkingabout, right?
Like what he's talking aboutsounds kind of wild, but okay.
After the initial interviews andexploration, Bird continued to
talk about the land inAntarctica and how amazing it
was.
In 1956, he started to name moreof the anomalies he saw out
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loud, things he hadn't disclosedpreviously.
Like what?
Like what we heard in theinterview.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, shortly before his death, hewas talking about an enchanted
continent in the sky full ofmystery.
Shortly after he started doingthis, it was announced that the
admiral was suffering from braindamage due to prolonged exposure
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to carbon monoxide during hisstay in his hut in Antarctica,
and shortly after that passedaway on March 11th, 1957.
So, you're probably wonderingwhat the big deal really is,
because so far nothing is toounusual or too like interesting.
Um, everything I've said so faris only what was released to the
public through Byrd himself orother government agencies.
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The conspiracy really comes intoplay when Byrd's son finds the
diary of the admiral, whichdocumented every single thing he
saw with the timestamps,including those missing five
hours.
Okay.
And lucky for you, I have theentries.
Yay! So, so this starts February19th, 1947, at 0600 hours.
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All preparations are completefor our flight northward, and we
are airborne with full fueltanks at 0610 hours.
So at 910 in the morning, hereports vast ice and snow below
at 9.15.
In the distance is what appearsto be mountains.
Alright, at 10 o'clock, he saysthat we are crossing over the
small mountain range and stillproceeding northward as best as
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can be ascertained.
Beyond the mountain range iswhat appears to be a valley with
a small river or stream runningthrough the center portion.
There should be no green valleybelow.
Something is definitely wrongand abnormal here.
We should be over ice and snow.
To the port side are greatforests growing on the mountain
slopes.
Our navigation instruments arestill spinning.
The gyroscope is oscillating.
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At 1005, I alter altitude to1400 feet and execute a sharp
left turn to better examine thevalley below.
It is green with either moss ora type of tight knit grass.
The light here seems different.
I cannot see the sun anymore.
We make another left turn and wespot what seems to be a large
animal of some kind below us.
It appears to be an elephant.
No, it looks more like amammoth.
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This is incredible, yet there itis.
Decrease altitude to 10,0001,000 feet and take binoculars
to better examine the animal.
It is confirmed it is definitelya mammoth-like animal.
Report this to Base Camp.
1030.
The external temperatureindicator reads 74 degrees
Fahrenheit.
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Continuing on our heading now.
Navigation Instruments seemnormal now.
I am puzzled over their actions.
Attempt to contact Basecamp.
Radio is not functioning.
So this is when he losescommunication.
Countryside below is more leveland normal, if I may use that
word.
Ahead, we spot what seems to bea city.
This is impossible.
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Aircraft seems light and oddlybuoyant.
The controls refuse to respond.
My god, off our port andstarboard wings are a strange
type of aircraft.
They are closing rapidlyalongside.
They are disc shaped and have aradiant quality to them.
They are close enough now to seethe markings on them.
It is a type of swastika.
This is fantastic.
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Where are we?
What has happened?
Was this before World War II?
Nope, it was after.
So that's also one of theconspira like the um I guess
what do you call it when peopleare trying to debunk um I I I
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know the word I can't think of.
SPEAKER_01 (35:02):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (35:03):
So that's one of the like things that people use to
debunk the conspiracy is thatafter World War II, the Nazis
fled south to Antarctica,Argentina.
SPEAKER_01 (35:14):
So they're thinking it's like um Nazis.
That like made up camp there,made up their city.
SPEAKER_02 (35:23):
Yeah.
Okay.
Yep.
And they somehow have well, Imean they were they somehow have
like all this technology to beable to fly these crafts and
control the airplane and I don'tbuy that.
There's I believe that birds sawthis.
SPEAKER_01 (35:40):
I don't think that like aliens would have
swastikas.
SPEAKER_02 (35:44):
Like why when he says swastika type, I mean he
said it's some type of swastika.
So I'm thinking that that wasmaybe the closest thing that he
knew from his own experience toto say it looked like.
SPEAKER_01 (36:01):
That's why I asked if it was like after World War
II, because if like especiallythat close to it, you wouldn't
know what that looked like.
So for you to say it would haveto look pretty close.
It would have to look prettyclose, especially because it's
like such a sign of like eviland hate, especially because he
was American, right?
Yeah.
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So they weren't even like ourallies, like we were against
them.
Yeah.
So for them, for him to be like,that's a like it would have to
be like a slastic.
SPEAKER_02 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah.
I tug at the controls again,they will not respond.
We are caught in an invisiblevice grip of some type.
At 1135, our radio crackles, anda voice comes through in English
with what perhaps is a slightNordic or Germanic accent.
Welcome, Admiral, to our domain.
We shall land you in exactlyseven minutes.
Relax, Admiral, you are in goodhands.
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Oh creepy.
I note the engines of our planehave stopped running.
The aircraft is under somestrange control and is now
turning itself.
The controls are useless.
At eleven forty, another radiomessage received.
We begin the landing processnow.
In moment and in moments theplane shudders slightly and
begins a descent as thoughcaught in some great unseen
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elevator.
The downward motion isnegligible, and we touch down
with only a slight jolt.
SPEAKER_01 (37:14):
And how many people are on this plane?
SPEAKER_02 (37:17):
Just him and another captain.
And what does the other captainsay?
There is no note, no record ofwhat he's saying.
At 1145, he says, I'm making ahasty last entry in the flight
log.
Several men are approaching onfoot toward our aircraft.
They are tall with blonde hair.
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In the distance is a largeshimmering city pulsating with
rainbow hues of color.
I do not know what is going tohappen now, but I see no signs
of weapons on those approaching.
I hear now a voice ordering meby name to open the cargo door.
I comply.
End log.
From this point, I write all thefollowing events here from
memory.
It defies the imagination andwould seem all but madness if it
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had not happened.
The radio man and I are takenfrom the aircraft and we are
received in the most cordialmanner.
We were then boarded on a smallplatform with no wheels, like in
convey like a convenience withno like a conveyor belt with no
wheels.
It moves us toward the glowingcity with great swiftness.
As we approach, the city seemsto be made of a crystal
material.
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Soon we arrive at a largebuilding that is a type I have
never seen before.
It appears to be out of thedesign board of Frank Lloyd
Wright, or perhaps morecorrectly, out of a Buck Rogers
setting.
We are given some type of warmbeverage which tasted like
nothing I have ever savoredbefore.
It is delicious.
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After about ten minutes, two ofour wondrous appearing hosts
come to our quarters andannounce that I am to accompany
them.
I have no choice but to comply.
I leave my radio man behind andwe walk a short distance and
enter into what seems to be anelevator.
We descend downward for somemoments, the machine stops and
the door lifts.
We then proceed down a longhallway that is lit by a
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rose-colored light that seems tobe emanating from the very walls
themselves.
One of the beings motions for usto stop before a great door.
Over the door is an inscriptionthat I cannot read.
The great door slidesnoiselessly open and I am
beckoned to enter.
One of my hosts speak, You haveno fear, Admiral.
You are to have an audience withthe master.
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I step inside and my eyes adjustto the beautiful coloration that
seems to be filling the roomcompletely.
Then I begin to see mysurroundings.
What greeted my eyes is the mostbeautiful sight of my entire
existence.
It is in fact too beautiful andwondrous to describe.
It is exquisite and delicate.
I do not think there exists ahuman term that can describe it
in any detail with justice.
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My thoughts are interrupted in acordial manner by a warm, rich
voice of melodious quality.
I bid you welcome to our domainadmiral.
I see a man with delicatefeatures and with the etching of
years upon his face.
He is seated at a long table.
He motions me to sit down in oneof the chairs.
After I am seated, he places hisfingertips together and smiles.
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He speaks softly again andconveys the following We have
let you enter here because youare of noble character and well
known on the surface world.
Surface world, I half gasp undermy breath.
Yes, the master replies with asmile.
You are in the domain of theAriani, the inner world of the
Earth.
We shall not long delay yourmission, and you will be safely
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escorted back to the surface fora distance and for a distance
beyond.
But now, Admiral, I shall tellyou why you have been summoned
here.
Our interest rightly begins justafter your race exploded the
first atomic bombs overHiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan.
It was at that alarming time wesent our flying machines, the
Flugel Rads, to your surfaceworld to investigate what your
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race had done.
This is, of course, past historynow, my dear Admiral, but I must
continue on.
You see, we have neverinterfered before in your race's
wars and barbarity, but now wemust, for you have learned to
tamper with a certain power thatis not for man, namely that of
atomic energy.
Our emissaries have alreadydelivered messages to the powers
of our world, and yet they donot heed.
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Now you have been chosen to bewitness here that our world does
exist.
You see, our culture and scienceis mainly thousands of years
beyond your race, Admiral.
I interrupted.
But what does this have to dowith me, sir?
The master's eyes seemed topenetrate deeply into my mind,
and after studying me for a fewmoments he replied, Your race
has now reached the point of noreturn, for there are those
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among you who would destroy yourvery world rather than
relinquish their power as theyknow it.
I nodded, and the mastercontinued.
In nineteen forty five andafterward, we tried to contact
your race, but our efforts weremet with hostility.
Our flugel rods were fired upon.
Yes, even pursued with maliceand animosity by our your
fighter planes.
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So now I say to you, my son,there is a great storm of
gathering in your world, a blackfury that will not spend itself
for many years.
There will be no answer in yourarms, there will be no safety in
your science.
It may rage on until everyflower of your culture is
trampled and all human thingsare leveled in vast chaos.
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Your recent war was only aprelude of what is yet to come
for your race.
We here see it more clearly witheach hour.
Do you say I am mistaken?
No, I answer.
It happened once before.
The dark ages came and theylasted for more than five
hundred years.
Yes, my son, replied the master.
The dark ages that will come nowfor your race will cover the
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earth like a pall, but I believethat some of your race will live
through the storm.
Beyond that I cannot say.
We see at a great distance a newworld stirring from the ruins of
your race, seeking its lost andlegendary treasures, and they
will be here, my son, safe inour keeping.
When that time arrives, we shallcome forward again to help
revive your culture and yourrace.
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Perhaps by then you will havelearned the futility of war and
its strife, and after that timecertain of your culture and
science will be returned foryour race to begin anew.
You, my son, are to return tothe service world with this
message.
With these closing words, ourmeeting seemed at an end.
I stood for a moment as in adream, but yet I knew this was
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reality, and for some strangereason I bowed slightly.
Either out of respect orhumility, I do not know which.
Suddenly I was again aware thatthe two beautiful hosts who had
brought me here were again at myside.
This way, Admiral, motioned one.
I turned once more beforeleaving and looked back toward
the master.
A gentle smile was etched on hisdelicate and ancient face.
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Farewell, my son, he spoke.
Then he gestured with a lovely,slender hand motion of peace,
and our meeting was truly ended.
SPEAKER_04 (43:53):
That's crazy.
Right?
So that is it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:00):
So it sounds like the aliens or whatever they are,
they're like so they had theswastikas and then they're like
upset that we bombed Hiroshimaand um oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.
The Magazaki Yeah So like werethey and they're tall and blonde
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like what the Nazis were rightlike I don't know that's weird
Yeah it's really weird it'sreally weird so uh um after is
there any chance so hedescended.
I know a long time ago and stillum to this day if it happens on
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accidents when you descend toofast your brain it I can't
remember what it's called, butsomething happens to your brain
where you like hallucinate andstuff.
Yeah.
I wonder if it wasn't likebeings, like what if it was
Nazis that did set up a campthere and then they kind of
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kidnapped him and they took himand they were like kind of made
not really torturing him, butlike you bombed Hiroshima like
whatever.
And in his mind, like that washad whatever this problem is, he
saw them as like other beings,but they were really just Nazis.
SPEAKER_02 (45:32):
Maybe, but at the same time, why would the Nazis
be like warning him of I don'tthink they did, I think he
imagined that.
Like I think Oh, you think thathe was against like the war, and
so his brain like added that in?
SPEAKER_01 (45:51):
I think they kind of took him, they were talking to
him about the war, not likewarning him, but kind of like
torturing him because he wasagainst them.
So like he twisted what theywere saying in his mind because
they they said that he dranksomething warm, so like they
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might have drugged him too.
True.
So I think it was I don't thinkit was alien, I think it was a
settlement of Nazis, becauseGermany probably knew that
nobody was there.
SPEAKER_02 (46:23):
Maybe because Well, at this point in time, there it
was Unexplored.
SPEAKER_01 (46:28):
But their scientists would also know that it was
unexplored, is what I mean.
Like if they wouldn't know thatyou're saying so what if it was
like a bunch of Nazis, theykidnapped him, they drugged him,
or he had like the carbonx,whatever it is, and he just kind
of like twisted what actuallyhappened.
Because your brain also doesthat.
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Like when you're under a lot ofstress, when you're being
tortured, your brain just kindof fills in.
SPEAKER_02 (46:55):
And yeah, he does mention that all of that is like
written from memory, yeah, aftera certain point.
SPEAKER_01 (47:01):
Um yeah, I don't know.
Especially if like the othercaptain hasn't come out and said
anything.
Well, not yet.
SPEAKER_02 (47:10):
In my notes.
Okay, but um, there's no likedialogue from his perspective at
that point in time.
Um, he did come out and do aninterview, which I will play,
um, basically stating that hewasn't allowed to look because
he was the at a certain point,he was the only one who Bird was
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the only one who went back withthe master.
unknown (47:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (47:38):
So his radio man did this interview and uh he says
basically that he wasn'tallowed, like the government
didn't allow him to look out thecaptain's logs.
Like he was banned from readingthem, he couldn't read any of
them.
And the captain logs uh you readout loud?
Yes.
Starting from like when he wastaking time stamps all the way
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through.
So he wasn't allowed to read anyof it.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (48:06):
So well, I mean, he was in the plane, so he would
have seen the woolly mammoth.
Did he talk about anything likethat ever?
He he saw the woolly mammoth.
SPEAKER_02 (48:16):
Okay.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (48:18):
Um that I don't have a hard time believing, to be
honest.
Like me neither.
It's a giant animal.
It's in the Antarctic,obviously, like whatever animals
are gonna be, there are gonna befurry.
So like I that didn't reallylike Yeah, that wasn't too
crazy.
SPEAKER_02 (48:34):
That didn't blow me away.
SPEAKER_01 (48:35):
It was just an animal that we've never seen
before.
SPEAKER_02 (48:37):
I also like the idea that he was hallucinating all of
this.
And then to come out in 1957 anddo an interview stating the same
things happened, like he's I Ibelieve he believes they
happened though.
SPEAKER_01 (48:56):
Like, even though he hallucinated it, like I I think
he truly believes it happened.
So we would continue talkingabout it.
SPEAKER_02 (49:03):
What I'm saying is, like, do you do you remember
those hallucinations, or whenyou finally come to, are you
like, wow, I hallucinated that?
SPEAKER_01 (49:11):
No, I think you believe your hallucinations.
SPEAKER_03 (49:14):
Well, at the time you do, but once you're not No,
I I believe he he believes whathe hallucinated was true.
SPEAKER_02 (49:23):
Okay, well What I'm saying is I know what you're
saying.
SPEAKER_01 (49:28):
I'm I'm giving you my answer.
I think he didn't wake like Ithink he thinks it's true.
Like he didn't wake up and waslike, oh, they're
hallucinations.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (49:36):
I'm saying like he doesn't remember a like a coming
to point.
SPEAKER_01 (49:40):
No, I think it was drugs or like I his brain made
those memories, so they are hismemories.
SPEAKER_02 (49:45):
They are his memory.
SPEAKER_01 (49:46):
Like that one um chick just recently, she was in
a coma for a few months, likethree months.
A 16-year-old she woke up fullybelieving that she had a family
and two kids, and she had to goto grief therapy because she
lost her family when she wokeup.
Like your brain does wild thingsand does it, or are those
(50:09):
alternate timelines?
SPEAKER_02 (50:13):
Alternate dimensions, alternate timelines.
I don't know.
I believe that this allhappened.
I don't believe he was drugged.
I believe that this happened.
SPEAKER_01 (50:20):
I I it's just I would believe it more if they
didn't resemble Nazis so much.
And they weren't flying planeswith swastikas on it.
SPEAKER_02 (50:31):
But they weren't planes, they were disc-shaped
crafts that didn't make anynoise.
And very guided.
That's what he reported?
I believe him.
Okay.
Um also I just watched a coupleof TikToks about what like the
P47 and P52s look like.
(50:52):
Tall, blonde, lanky, skinny.
So could it be Nazis, maybe?
Is it aliens?
Probably.
SPEAKER_01 (51:00):
But they weren't talking like they were P47s and
P52s, they were talking likethey were a different species.
Right.
They were so like P47s and P52sare humans from the future.
And they didn't like talk likeso like there's just a few
things that like seemed off tome.
Like Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (51:18):
But there could be like several different species.
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (51:20):
We have to agree.
SPEAKER_02 (51:22):
No, but I uh but that's the point of the best to
talk about it.
Exactly, exactly.
So I yeah, I believe that'shappened.
SPEAKER_01 (51:30):
Yeah, I think they're just too similar to
Nazis for me to believe.
Um, I also don't know what Nazispider does like they might have
had more technology than we did.
Or if he was only looking atfrom the side and like it was a
(51:50):
rounded wing, it could havelooked like also at that point
if he had descended too fast, hehad already started
hallucinating exactly in yourtheory.
SPEAKER_02 (52:00):
So yeah, so it he could have thought it was space
crafts when really it was justairplanes.
Yeah, yeah.
Um so anyway, after all of that,um he died in 1957, and then uh
the oh, this is when um mybirthday in it was the Antarctic
(52:21):
Treaty that was signed inWashington, DC.
So it was signed on Decemberfirst, nineteen fifty-nine, and
then um it was put into place onJune twenty-third, nineteen
sixty.
Oh nineteen actually w I thinkit was nineteen sixty-one.
It was two years before it wasput into place.
Okay.
Um, and it established thecontinent as a demilitarized
(52:43):
zone dedicated exclusively topeaceful scientific research and
international cooperation.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (52:49):
Um a lot of crazy stuff goes on in Antarctica.
SPEAKER_02 (52:54):
Right.
So, um that's basically thestory.
So he uh went to Antarctica andthe conspiracy is that he flew
over the ice shelf.
Um and when he uh uh descended,he flew into the uh Middle
Earth, Middle Earth theory.
SPEAKER_01 (53:14):
Um but there is uh obviously one part that confused
me, so he said it was 74 degreesFahrenheit, but he also said it
was like negative a hundreddegrees where the coal was.
Where the coal was.
Okay, so not where he was.
Right.
Okay, got it, got it, got it.
(53:34):
Yeah.
Um and it was they're saying itwas impossible for him to fly
the 18 hours on the fuel that hehad.
SPEAKER_04 (53:46):
Yeah.
So they think he went somewhereelse.
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (53:51):
I I could believe that.
Like if he was descending to healso said that his instruments
were weird.
So what if his instruments werefaulty and they were like
mistaken and he did flysomewhere else?
Not of maybe not unmistakable.
You said he's a great pilot, buthe's a great pilot at with
(54:12):
reading instruments.
SPEAKER_02 (54:13):
Yeah, yeah.
He has navigational skills thathe applies to by using
instruments.
SPEAKER_01 (54:18):
So if the m instruments were malfunctioning,
it's very possible that he didfly somewhere else and he wasn't
yeah, like he could have wentpast the ice wall, which is why
he thought he was past the icewall, but he could have landed
in a different country.
SPEAKER_02 (54:33):
Yeah, yeah, and that is one of the theories that he
landed in what we know now isGreenland.
SPEAKER_01 (54:38):
That's what I was thinking! Yeah, because they're
right next to each other inGreenland is icy, but it also
has terrain.
It does have terrain and it getswarmer than Antarctica by a lot.
So that is the only part thatmakes me think, okay, maybe and
that would make more sense thatthe Nazis would go to Greenland
than to Antarctica.
SPEAKER_02 (54:57):
Yeah, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (54:58):
So I think that's my theory.
He was wrong.
He went to Greenland, hedescended too quickly, started
getting whatever that disease iscalled.
SPEAKER_02 (55:07):
Hallucinating, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (55:08):
Started hallucinating.
The Nazis saw a random Americanplane, they were like, Excuse
me.
They probably interviewed himand they were like, Were you one
of the ones who bombedHiroshima?
Were you like, what are youdoing here?
Do you know us?
What's your name?
He probably told them his name,and then they start calling him
his name, and he's like, Whoa,how do they know my name?
(55:30):
Yeah, like yeah, like I couldsee still, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (55:33):
He probably said, I'm Admiral Byrd, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (55:35):
I could see like all of that happening.
Yeah, I could see that too.
I um if I would have 100%believed the alien theory if
they didn't have the swastikas.
As soon as you said that I waslike, no.
I don't I don't think I don'tknow.
I I don't know why, but I feellike aliens wouldn't be behind
(55:57):
enslavement.
SPEAKER_02 (55:59):
No, I don't think they would be behind
enslavement.
I also don't I also don't thinkthat it was necessarily a
swastika that he saw.
I think it was probably morelike just swastika-like.
And it makes sense what you'resaying to, you know, to just be
out of World War II and be, youknow, very familiar with what
that symbol looks like.
SPEAKER_01 (56:20):
But I I think to call as an American to call
something a swastika, it wouldhave to be like very
swastika-like.
I don't know.
Like you wouldn't just see an Xand be like or like a cross and
be like, oh that that looks likea swastika.
SPEAKER_02 (56:37):
Well, no, I no, I don't think that it was like
that.
I think it was like a similar inshape and design, but like so um
I don't know.
That's the Yeah, that's a goodtheory.
And a lot of it makes sense.
I don't know, I still I stillbelieve because uh I do believe
that there are alternatedimensions and timelines and um
(56:58):
one of the theories on theconspiracy side is that there is
a land called Agartha.
SPEAKER_01 (57:06):
I have so many videos saved because I was gonna
do Agartha soon.
I was gonna do Agartha nextweek.
It's all yours.
Okay, I'll delete my videos.
But just a warning, I I studiedit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (57:17):
That's fine.
SPEAKER_02 (57:18):
So, um yeah, yeah.
So it's the theory is that hewent to Agartha, and there are
several entries around the worldto get to Agartha.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (57:29):
I just think like everything that I've read about
aliens that I believe, they'realways like you guys killed
yourself because of nuclear war.
Like all like they said, theyseem against it.
So I just I can't get behindthese aliens being mad that we
(57:49):
were against the knot.
That's like that was my wholeturn of it.
They didn't say that.
I it kind of sounded like itwhen they were mad about bombing
Hiroshima who was against usbecause they were siding with
Germany.
SPEAKER_02 (58:04):
Well, they were mad about using atomic, like nuclear
war to But they did it first inPearl Harbor.
SPEAKER_01 (58:11):
That's why we did it.
SPEAKER_02 (58:13):
Right.
So his the point of this is toshare with the entire world that
this is not the way youapproach.
SPEAKER_01 (58:22):
It was more like the swastika, the blonde hair, and
the being mad about Hiroshimathat made it seem like they were
on Germany's side.
I get it.
And I just don't believe alienswould be on Germany's.
I might be completely wrong.
SPEAKER_02 (58:35):
I don't think they would be on Germany's side
either.
I don't.
SPEAKER_01 (58:38):
Maybe I just have too much faith in aliens.
Maybe that's my problem.
I I I mean, I don't thinkanybody would be on Germany's
side, but honestly.
Yeah.
So who am I to say?
Who am I to say?
I have too much faith inhumanity and aliens.
So right.
SPEAKER_03 (58:59):
Same.
SPEAKER_02 (59:00):
I just think everybody's good.
Maybe me too.
I always believe that people aregood.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (59:05):
So immediately I'm like, nope, these aliens
wouldn't.
It's fake, it's not my alien.
SPEAKER_02 (59:12):
Not my So yeah, that's the story of Admiral Byrd
and how he maybe went toAgartha.
Maybe he was knockedunconscious, maybe he was
drugged by Nazis.
I think I think he was druggedby Nazis in Greenland.
I think that that is the mostplausible if you don't believe
(59:36):
the like if you don't take hisaccounts as factual.
Like if you don't believe hisactual accounts.
I do believe them because Ibelieve in alien uh possession,
and I disagree with how youinterpreted what the aliens were
saying and being on Germany'sside.
SPEAKER_04 (59:59):
But who knows?
Who knows?
It's a conspiracy.
What do you guys think?
Yeah, tell us what you guysthink.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:06):
We don't have beefs of the week this week.
I'm sure something will piss usoff next week though.
So right?
Stay tuned for that.
Stay tuned for that.
We are gonna go take um newpictures for our new logo today,
so we will be uploading that.
If we like the pictures, whichthere's a 90% chance that we're
(01:00:28):
just gonna use a Canva thinglike we did with our last one
because every time we take apicture, we're like, ew.
Well, one of us always looksgood and the other one looks
bad.
We can't take a picture whereboth of us look good at the same
time.
Best friends, it's just illegalfor the people.
It's true, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:00:43):
It's true.
Also, it is so hot out already.
Is it?
I thought it was cold when Itook the trash this morning.
No, it when I got here, I waslike, it's kind of muggy.
And then I just saw on myweather app that it's like 74.
SPEAKER_04 (01:00:58):
Oh, 74 is not hot.
But it's thick.
That's hot.
Hot and sticky and grosstonight.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:01:06):
Hopefully nobody's at the park and uh we'll watch a
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