April 29, 2026 • 57 mins
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Hi, besties.
Welcome to Plot Twists andPunchlines, the podcast where
we're bringing you laughs,comfort, and questionable takes.
I'm Steph.
And I'm Mel.
Two best friends here todistract you from the world and
talk about life books andeverything in between.
SPEAKER_01 (00:10):
So grab your blanket, your drink, and your
emotional support bookboyfriends.
And let's get into today'sepisode.
Hey.
Hi.
SPEAKER_00 (00:20):
We back.
We are back.
So sorry about the long absence.
I was gone way longer than Iintended to be and wanted to be.
SPEAKER_01 (00:32):
I almost sent out a missing person's ad.
SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
But I'm back.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
She's joking.
SPEAKER_00 (00:38):
I kept in contact with her every single day.
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
I knew where she was all the time, but she literally
has my location.
It was a little dramatic, but Imissed you.
I just didn't want people tothink I like abandoned you.
No.
No, no, no, you didn't.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
We were in constant communication.
Um there was just an emergency,and I had zero notice.
I just kind of got in my car andI drove the same day I found out
about it.
Yeah.
Um, which was the day before wewere supposed to record.
SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
So several states away.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
Um I think.
SPEAKER_02 (01:16):
One.
Three.
Four.
Four.
Yeah.
So it was it's been a long time.
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
We went a little far.
Yes.
And it's been even longer thanthat too, because we had an
episode pre-recorded.
SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
Yeah, so we haven't seen each other in like three
weeks.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
Yeah.
It's like going on to a month.
That's very crazy.
Very crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
And then it gets back till Monday and we work.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
We just could not.
We could not.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So so happy that we're back.
I'm so excited to record.
I can't believe how much Imissed recording.
I know.
It was like me too.
SPEAKER_00 (01:53):
I feel like I haven't talked to you guys in so
long.
SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
And I missed you guys.
I know.
And we have so many fun thingsto talk about.
Exciting things.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
Um, and then I felt bad about us missing two
episodes.
I like brought all of my stuffwith me so that we could record
when I was in the other state.
Um, but we're us.
We can we can't even figure outhow to record right next to each
other.
Listen, low-key, this is thesecond time we're recording
(02:23):
because we we did have tocompletely restart because we
forgot to record.
We forgot to plug in therecording equipment into the
laptop.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
So we had no sound.
SPEAKER_00 (02:35):
Um we figured that out 40 minutes to the episode.
SPEAKER_01 (02:39):
So you get what you get.
As usual, this is no surprise toyou.
We had technical difficultiesmoving on.
SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
Yes.
But the reactions we're gonnahave are not the same.
Yes.
Because the 40 minutes that wedid record um was her segment,
and we decided we're not gonnause that segment anyway.
Yeah.
So we're gonna start with mysegment, which was just at the
very beginning, and I didn'teven get into anything with it.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (03:07):
So all of her reactions are gonna be genuine.
And then the other topic thatwe're gonna talk about, we
haven't started talking about itat all.
So that's gonna be genuine aswell.
Everything is still genuine.
Yep.
The only thing that wasn't wasour intro.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (03:21):
Which we say every single week.
Yeah, every time.
SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
Yeah.
And even this, we didn't sayobviously just it the first
time.
SPEAKER_01 (03:27):
So no, no, no.
Uh to be honest with you, theday that we get it right the
first time, you'll know becausewe'll be excited.
SPEAKER_00 (03:35):
I think we did it once.
SPEAKER_01 (03:37):
One time.
SPEAKER_00 (03:38):
In our this is what, episode 11 or 12?
Yeah.
I think we did it one time onour first time.
SPEAKER_01 (03:43):
Yeah.
It it just it it'd be like that.
Yep.
Um, so before we get intoeverything, I uh we talked a
little bit about um Akatar andhow six and seven is coming out
soon.
And uh we have signed up andpurchased tickets to go to a
(04:03):
midnight release.
Midnight release.
I'm so excited.
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
So excited.
It's in um October, obviously,when the book comes out.
Um, I think it's between likeeight o'clock and twelve a.m.
I don't remember what city itis, but near us.
Near us.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
Yeah, it's not far.
SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
I'm sure if you guys are in Michigan and you want to
meet up with us, yeah.
Just search midnight release ofwe could put more details about
it out there if you guys do wantto come hang out with us because
that would be so freaking fun.
SPEAKER_01 (04:33):
And it's low-key.
Like we went to a Starfall balllast August, which was so fun.
We dressed up and everything.
It was it was so great.
This is more low-key.
You can dress up if you want,but I don't think we're going.
I don't think so.
Maybe.
I don't know.
But yeah, you just go, there'sgonna be authors there, like
snacks.
I'm pretty sure there's an openbar.
SPEAKER_00 (04:55):
Um and then at midnight, um, if you guys do see
us, uh, make sure it's beforethe open bar.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:02):
Please see us after the open bar.
No, you didn't.
No, you did not.
SPEAKER_00 (05:06):
No camera's allowed.
unknown (05:07):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (05:08):
And then at midnight, we get a copy of the
book.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:13):
We you purchase the book with your ticket.
So at the end of the night, youjust get the book and you leave.
Yeah.
Oh my god, right.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
We're so excited.
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
We're literally so freaking excited.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
It's gonna be so fun.
SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
We love meeting like other book people, so this is
just like a fun event.
SPEAKER_01 (05:25):
It's gonna be so great.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:27):
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
So let's get into today's topic.
SPEAKER_00 (05:33):
Yes.
Okay, so we are going to startwith uh my topic again.
Um, and I'll tell you when likeit cut off and when she hasn't
heard what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, so again, uh I guess notagain.
Uh, trigger warning, I am goingto mention suicide.
I'm not going into any detailabout it.
(05:56):
Um, I also don't believe they'resuicides.
They're a legend.
So okay.
So we are going to talk aboutthe um missing scientists and
researchers who have obviouslygone missing or died in the past
(06:19):
uh two years.
Yeah.
The first one happened in 2022,I believe.
So that is more than two years.
But it's four years.
But still.
But like they began researchingit two years ago.
SPEAKER_01 (06:32):
And then the most recent one was happened a couple
of days ago.
Yeah.
Crazy.
And it's crazy that this is theI'll let you talk about it, but
this is the first I've heard ofit.
SPEAKER_00 (06:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
You know, like recently.
SPEAKER_00 (06:44):
Yes.
So um I asked her in the firstrecording if she heard about it.
She said that she like onlyheard about it a little bit.
Um, she told me that the lasttime she heard about it, it was
11 scientists and researchers.
Um, as of today, we are up to 15missing and dead scientists.
(07:07):
Insane.
Yes.
All right.
Talk to us.
Okay.
The first scientist who died isAmy Eskeridge.
She was an independentresearcher in Huntsville,
Alabama, and a lot of peoplehave ties to Alabama.
Uh, she researched anti-gravitypropulsion, UFO and
extraterrestrial research, andelectrostatic propulsion.
(07:31):
She died June 11th, 2022.
Her cause of death was ruled asa suicide.
Um, and she is the one whostarted all of this.
Okay, sorry it had to be you,girl.
Scientist number two, MichaelDavid Hicks.
He was a research scientist withNASA.
(07:52):
Um, he worked with the JetPropulsion Laboratory in
Sunland, California.
His research areas were asteroidcharacterizations, deep search
observations.
He was with the Dart mission,DART mission, and the deep space
one.
Um, he died July 30th, 2023.
(08:12):
He was found deceased in hisSunland residence, and his cause
of death is unknown.
And so far, NASA has notreleased a statement for him.
Did they release one for Amy?
Well, Amy was a was like she wasa suicide.
So yeah.
So it didn't matter.
It's not like a so it didn'tmatter.
SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
Not that I didn't no, I but I know.
It's basically like case closedwith them.
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Also worth noting so far thesefirst two, these are not old
people.
SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
No, they're not.
SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
Yeah.
Like this guy was born in 1988.
And um, I'm gonna put picturesof everyone that we are talking
about.
That's one year before Jason.
That says 1998?
SPEAKER_00 (08:58):
Yeah, he was his.
No, this one he was working.
He worked for J L from 1998 to2022.
SPEAKER_01 (09:05):
Got it.
He's still not old.
No, he's not.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
Okay.
Uh, third guy, a little older.
Um, Frank Maywald.
And this is exactly where we cutoff last time.
I said his name, didn't give anymore research.
So everything else is hurtanyone reaction.
He was also a principalscientist.
Oh, well, he was a principalscientist also with NASA's jet
propulsion laboratory, but inLos Angeles, California.
(09:32):
So pretty close with the lastguy that we talked about.
His research was planetaryrobotic systems um in the JPL
deep space missions.
SPEAKER_01 (09:42):
Like the robot that went to Mars.
I guess.
And then saying happy birthdayto itself as it was dying,
remember?
That was such a sweet moment intime.
I like wiped that out of mymemory.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
Yeah.
Um he died July 4th of 2024 atthe age of 61.
SPEAKER_01 (10:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
Sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
His cause of death is undisclosed, and there has
also been no statement fromNASA.
SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Undisclosed.
SPEAKER_00 (10:17):
Yeah.
Interesting.
Scientist number four is AnthonyChavez.
Chavez.
Chavez.
Chavez.
Yeah.
Um he worked, he he retired.
Um, he worked for the Los ElamosNational Laboratory in New
Mexico.
(10:39):
His research was classified, sowe don't really know what he was
researching.
But he is not dead.
He is missing.
Well, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
But he is missing.
But the details of hisdisappearance or are weird
because he left behind his cars,his keys, his wallet, and his
(11:03):
phone.
SPEAKER_01 (11:05):
Ain't nobody leave the house these days without at
least three of those items.
Yes.
Um that's crazy.
And he's retired.
SPEAKER_00 (11:14):
He knew too much, huh?
Yeah.
And he has been uh so he were wedon't know what he did, but he
worked for a few decades withthe LANL before what which was
the Los Almos NationalLaboratory before he retired in
2020.
Not 2020.
(11:36):
2017.
When he retired in 2017.
And he has been missing sinceMay 8th, 2025.
SPEAKER_01 (11:44):
Wow, he retired a while ago, too.
So like I wonder.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:51):
Okay.
Scientist number five, MonicaReza.
Reza.
She was a materials processingdirector with the NASA JPL um
and the AeroJet Rocket Dyne,also in Los Angeles, California.
(12:13):
She was a rocket materialsengineering.
Um she patented nickels superalloy used in starships and new
Glen reusable rockets.
She is also missing.
She has been missing since June2022.
(12:33):
Um, she went missing at 60 yearsold, too.
Her last details were that shewas last seen hiking near Mount
Waterman in Angeles, Angeles,Angelese National Forest.
Um, and there has been no traceof her since 2025.
SPEAKER_01 (12:52):
Okay, so the missing people so far, 2025, 2025, same
year.
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Scientist number six, Melissa Cassius.
She was an administrativeofficer with security clearance.
She also worked with the LosAlmos National Laboratory in New
Mexico.
Her research also classified.
Um, but she did have highsecurity clearance at the LANL.
(13:19):
She has also been missing sinceJune 26th of 2025.
SPEAKER_01 (13:24):
All of them have gone missing in June?
No.
SPEAKER_00 (13:28):
Uh the first one went missing um May.
And then June 26th.
June.
Yeah, so May 8th, June 22nd,June 26th.
So one went missing four daysafter the last.
Um her details is her car andbelongings were also left behind
(13:56):
at home.
And both her personal and herwork phone were factory reset
before she disappeared.
Okay.
Now you might think that meansthat she went missing, but her
family did come out with astatement, and her family says
that her disappearance was notvoluntary, that they spoke with
(14:17):
her, that she had future plans,and that this was 100% not her
own doing.
SPEAKER_01 (14:24):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
I agree.
Scientist number seven, StevenGarcia.
He was a government contractorwith Kansas City National
Security Campus in Albuquerque,New Mexico.
He was a nuclear weapons assetsoversight.
He had high-level security, andhe has been missing since August
(14:48):
28th of 2025.
SPEAKER_01 (14:51):
What is going on?
SPEAKER_00 (14:53):
He was last seen on surveillance camera, leaving his
Albuquerque home on foot,carrying a handgun.
He left behind his vehicle andhis phone and all of his
personal stuff as well.
unknown (15:06):
Oh my God.
SPEAKER_01 (15:07):
I have so many things to say.
It's not my time, but so manythings to say.
unknown (15:14):
I can't.
SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
Scientist number eight, Jason Thomas.
He was an assistant director forNovitris in Wakefield.
I can't pronounce this today.
Massachusetts.
He was a pharmaceuticalresearcher and he was
researching cancer treatments.
(15:36):
Fuck's sake.
He disappeared.
Well, he's been missing sinceDecember of 2025.
Wait, no, he disappeared of in2025.
Yeah.
Oh.
And his body was found.
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (15:50):
All I saw was found.
I'm like, I'm like looking overat your laptop.
Yeah.
All I saw was found.
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
His body was found in Lake Quanapoet,
Massachusetts.
On March 17th, 2026.
SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
So three months later.
Wow.
Scientist number nine, NunoLorrio.
SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
He was a director with the MIT Plasma Science and
Fusion Center in Massachusetts.
I'm so sorry, guys.
I know I can't pronounce thatright.
Please don't yell at me.
Um obviously his research was inplasma physics and fusion
science, and he was faciallyshot outside of his home in
December of 2025.
(16:40):
Scientist number 10, CarlGrillmeyer, was an
astrophysicist at Caltech inLlano, California.
He was also shot outside of hishouse on February 16th of 2025.
SPEAKER_02 (16:56):
Hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Scientist number 11, William Neil McCassland, which I
guess is the last one you kindof heard about.
He was a retired U.S.
Air Force Major General, formercommander, Air Force Research
Laboratory, and he worked at theAir Force Research Laboratory in
Albuquerque, New Mexico.
(17:20):
He studied hypersonics.
He directed energy systems andadvanced propulsions.
He has been missing sinceFebruary 27th of 2026.
SPEAKER_01 (17:33):
He was like five days after other guy was shot in
front of his home?
Not five.
Oh, uh nine days.
Nine days.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
Eleven days, I can count.
SPEAKER_01 (17:44):
These are so close together.
SPEAKER_00 (17:46):
I know.
It went from like 2023 to justlike boom, boom.
He was last seen leaving hishouse on foot with only a
handgun.
What?
He was last known headingtowards the mountains of New
Mexico.
(18:07):
Okay.
And here are the newest onesfrom I mean, obviously that one
was from February.
Yeah.
David Wilcock.
Have you ever heard of him?
He's a little famous.
It sounds familiar.
He um has been uh well, he's anauthor, and he has also been on
um Ancient Aliens a couple oftimes.
(18:29):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
I never watched it, but I know yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:32):
So obviously he researches aliens and
extraterrestrial and stuff likethat.
Um so he just recently died inApril of this year.
SPEAKER_02 (18:44):
Cause of death.
Cause of death suicide.
I'm gonna get more into him in alittle bit.
SPEAKER_00 (18:52):
Okay.
All right.
Number 13, Joshua LeBlanc.
He worked on nuclear propulsionsystems as well, and he was in
one of the most sensitive areasin aerospace.
SPEAKER_02 (19:11):
Is he is he deceased?
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
He is also deceased, but um that hasn't explained
why.
Or his cause of death hasn'tbeen disclosed.
Okay, and number 14 and 15 justhappened a few days ago.
It was father and son of Jamesand Andrew Mofat.
Mofe.
(19:34):
M-O-F-F-A-T-T.
Um they died when they were on aprivate plane and it crashed
alongside James' wife, Andrew'smother and James' other son.
James and Andrew are bothresearchers and scientists.
(19:58):
Um James was an aerospaceresearcher and also has links to
NASA.
SPEAKER_01 (20:06):
What the fuck is going on?
SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
The cause of the plane crash has they don't know,
it hasn't disclosed, and theysaid it could take up to a year
to do sure investigations on it.
SPEAKER_02 (20:21):
Wow.
So that is the list.
SPEAKER_00 (20:25):
That is the list of the people who have died.
Um this isn't just like randompeople.
I mean, clear they all worked indifferent departments and they
all worked in different areas.
So a lot of people are like,it's just kind of coincidence.
SPEAKER_01 (20:47):
I what no?
SPEAKER_00 (20:49):
But that being said, it is being investigated by the
FBI.
Oh, thank.
By NASA, by the Department ofDefense, and by the Department
of Energy.
Do we trust these people?
I was gonna say, can you reallytrust people to investigate who
could have a hand in it?
SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
Yeah.
That is what we're gonna discusstoday.
Allegedly.
SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
Not allegedly.
That's what we're about to talkabout.
SPEAKER_01 (21:19):
This is insane.
Okay.
I'm I'm here for it.
SPEAKER_00 (21:22):
So clearly, they all have a lot of things in common.
Yeah.
They're all researchers.
Um, they all either study uh inspace or nuclear weapons.
And those are what they have incommon.
Or UFOs.
SPEAKER_01 (21:41):
Yeah.
Which is so crazy.
Let me just say this right now.
If the government, if thesepeople are going missing because
the government is afraid todisclose that aliens are real,
that's like the least of ourproblems, right?
SPEAKER_00 (21:55):
They don't need to disclose that they're real.
SPEAKER_01 (21:57):
Right.
So, like what more?
SPEAKER_00 (22:00):
Like it.
No one cares.
No one thinks that they're beingkilled because of aliens.
Okay.
That's yeah.
Good.
I I'm gonna get to it.
Okay.
Um so they all studied space,nuclear, connected with masses.
Yes.
Yeah.
(22:21):
But what a lot of them werestudying was zero gravity.
SPEAKER_01 (22:27):
Do you know what that is?
I mean, like when you're inspace, you don't have gravity.
SPEAKER_00 (22:32):
Mm-hmm.
So what that would do for us onEarth is give us unlimited
energy.
SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
Oh, I'm scared.
SPEAKER_00 (22:45):
And what that would mean is we wouldn't need any
more oil.
And what is our biggest profit?
What are we always fightingpeople for?
SPEAKER_02 (22:57):
Oil.
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
Oil.
So if there's no need for oilanymore, we lose a lot of money.
What other people areresearching, it what the other
people were researching was umnuclear research, which also
researches ways to power thingslike other power methods and
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sustainability.
So a lot of people are thinkingthat there was a breakthrough,
and these people found a way togive everybody on earth energy
to give us electricity where wewouldn't need to pay a giant
bill, which would put hugecompanies like DTE and consumers
(23:43):
out completely irrelevant.
SPEAKER_01 (23:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (23:47):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (23:50):
That's okay, but there's so many other things
that need power.
Oh, I guess if it's if it'sunlimited.
If it's unlimited, then youdon't matter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:03):
Okay.
I mean, because we have waysright now of doing like wind
energy and stuff, which even nowpeople are trying to cut that
out because they don't want it.
Yeah.
And that's not like superreliable because it's not always
windy, but like this would be100% we wouldn't need energy
(24:24):
anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (24:26):
So how we don't have to get into this today, but I'm
just wondering how we wouldpower things.
Like it would just be in the airand things would just go.
SPEAKER_00 (24:37):
Or I am safe because I do not know the answer to that
question.
That is why I am not worriedabout them killing perfect.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
No.
Okay.
I don't want to know.
Please keep it to yourself.
Well, the people who could tellus are missing or are no longer
with us.
SPEAKER_00 (24:58):
So I want to focus.
So that is like the generaltheory is people think that
these people are being takenaway because they have a way to
give us unlimited power.
And we not we, the governmentdoesn't want that.
(25:19):
Um, you know what really pissedme off?
Sorry, this has like nothing todo with it.
I mean, it does have everythingto do with this, but they asked
Donald Trump if like they'reresearching it, and he was like,
Well, we're looking into it,we're gonna see if it's all a
coincidence.
Some of these people were veryimportant.
Some of these people were veryimportant.
(25:42):
Yeah.
These NASA researchers.
Only aeros scientists.
SPEAKER_01 (25:50):
Yeah, aerospace scientists.
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
Some of them were important.
These military commanders, onlysome of Sorry, that pissed me
the fuck off when I heard that.
Okay.
But today I want to focus on twoof the scientists.
Yeah.
And I'm gonna go down a littlemini rabbit hole in another
theory that a few people havebeen talking about.
(26:15):
Love it.
First, we're gonna talk aboutAmy, who was the first one, the
one who died in 2022.
Before Amy died in 2022, she didher last interview.
And she said, if you stick yourhead, if you stick your neck out
in public, at least someonenotices if your head gets
chopped off.
(26:36):
If you stick your neck out inprivate, they will bury you.
They will burn down your housewhile you're sleeping in your
bed, and it won't even make thenews.
SPEAKER_01 (26:43):
Mm-hmm.
So she knew someone was 100%.
SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
She knew.
SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
She knew she was a target.
SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
Plus the messages.
SPEAKER_01 (26:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:52):
And David, who was, I think, the third.
No, he was one of the newestones.
He was David Wilcox.
Yeah.
Um, David stated many, manytimes before his death that he
was not suicidal.
And he was also categorized as asuicide.
(27:12):
A suicide.
Um, he actually went on apodcast before his alleged
completed suicide, saying everyday that I have on earth is a
gift and a blessing.
And I am very grateful for that.
Because frankly, people aredisappearing.
Scientists are going missing.
Now they're saying they're goingto investigate this.
(27:34):
The president himself is sayinghe's going to look into it and
see if anything is going on.
It's a little bit scary, I gottasay.
It's a little bit scary.
David.
And he actually tweeted, or Iguess, X.
Um, he he tweeted a little bitbefore his death, like I think a
(27:54):
week before his suicide, saying,I am not suicidal.
SPEAKER_01 (27:59):
I wonder if he was getting like messages or notes.
SPEAKER_00 (28:04):
I think he was getting scared because like you
saw they all started dying backto back, back to back.
SPEAKER_02 (28:10):
Right.
Oh my god.
How horrible.
I know.
SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
Um I I wrote down again that like the FBI, NASA,
the Department of Defense,Department of Energy are
supposedly investigating this.
Um, Trump said that they'relooking into it, but I mean,
we've seen his investigation ofthe Epstein files.
SPEAKER_01 (28:37):
So yes.
I am like I'm speechless.
Like, I feel like it that was aperfect moment to comment
something, and I just don't haveanything to say.
Like, this is crazy.
This is insane.
I know.
And I just keep going.
SPEAKER_00 (28:55):
It gets it gets worse.
So while I was doing theresearch, um, I stumbled down
another rabbit hole when I waslooking into Amy and David
Wilcox.
Okay.
In Amy's last interview, the onethat we just talked about, she
talked about how she liked towork in bars.
(29:16):
That's like the place that shewas the most productive, kind of
like how college students go tocafes.
She liked to go to bars.
Okay.
And she had to stop doing thatbecause whenever she went alone,
older men would come and sitright next to her and would ask
her if she'd want one roofie ortwo roofies in her drink.
(29:38):
Ew.
Yes.
Just randos?
Supposedly randos.
Supposedly randos.
And that scared her becausethere was one time where she
went to the bathroom and whenshe came back and finished her
drink, she was reallydisoriented.
And as soon as she started toget like disoriented, a bunch of
men came up to her and startedasking her what she did for work
(30:00):
and if she worked for thegovernment.
SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
I just got goosebumps.
Yes.
Stop it.
SPEAKER_00 (30:05):
So she stopped like drinking, but then these men
started coming up to her andasking her how much Ruffie she
would want in her drink.
SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
She's so she's being followed.
SPEAKER_02 (30:14):
Yes.
Older men.
SPEAKER_00 (30:19):
And in that same interview where she was talking
about um them like followingher, she was talking about her
belief in uh an ultra-terrultraterrestrial?
Ultraterrestrial.
Thank you.
I I literally just saidultraterrestrials.
(30:41):
And the ultraterrestrial theoryis that we humans are the
sub-zero species.
SPEAKER_01 (30:49):
Oh, okay.
I didn't know that that is whatit was called, but I've heard
that.
SPEAKER_00 (30:55):
So for the people who haven't, that means that
aliens aren't really aliens.
They're us in the future.
Um, and that space travel isjust so what she was saying is
that aliens are really us, andlike us traveling to space, us
(31:18):
trying to find aliens isactually time travel.
SPEAKER_01 (31:23):
And you remember what we talked about, sorry,
last the very last episode abouttimelines.
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
I know.
SPEAKER_01 (31:34):
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Full circle, full circle moment.
Um, so basically that spacetravel is actually just time
travel and we haven't figuredout how to do that yet.
Like that aliens have justvisited us, we've never visited
them because we haven't figuredout how to comprehend time in a
way that's not like linear, Iguess.
(31:58):
Yeah.
Like we see time as likeminutes, hours, whereas time is
actually something different,something that can be
manipulated and it'sdimensional.
And until we figure that out,we're gonna be stuck here.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
On Earth or in this time, like dimension?
That I mean, it's the samething.
Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess so.
SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
If you believe in the same yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
Yeah.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
Um so she was talking about a couple of
different species of aliens,which were P42s and P52s.
And what she's saying that thatwould be is a P52 is just
present plus 47,000 years.
So it would be us, but 40,000years from us, and that would be
(32:44):
the alien.
SPEAKER_01 (32:46):
This is what Amy was talking about?
SPEAKER_00 (32:48):
Yes.
How and then P52s would bepresent plus 52,000 years.
So it would be like me and52,000 years is what that is.
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
How did she come up with that number?
SPEAKER_00 (33:00):
She was just talking about these two, like it's
there's so many different ones.
Okay, so they're just examples.
SPEAKER_01 (33:06):
Yeah, they're exactly in theory, could be like
P10s.
unknown (33:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:11):
Okay.
Exactly.
Okay.
Um, and she thinks that theycame about because there's going
to be an apocalypse scenario inthe near future that wipes out
everything or almost everything,except for the people who go
underground for survival, andthen a few that like just
miraculously do it.
(33:31):
Miraculously do it.
Survive.
And from the radioactivity andthings like that, we would start
to evolve.
Evolve.
unknown (33:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
And then evolve again and again until we become
what we know as aliens.
Aliens.
And that interview.
I am gonna have nightmares.
I'm sorry.
unknown (33:56):
It's okay.
SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
This is even the scary part.
And that interview reminded meso much.
And I had to go back and rewatchit.
And that's what took me so longon the East Notes, because I had
to take an hour break to rewatchthis interview.
SPEAKER_01 (34:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:10):
Uh, the alien interview from 1997.
And if you guys know, you knowit was so popular when I was
growing.
And I asked you if you watchedit.
SPEAKER_01 (34:20):
I didn't immediately know what you were talking
about, but as soon as I saw it,I was like, oh yeah.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
Okay.
So for those who don't know, andI am gonna post a clip of I'm
gonna read a transcript from itfrom the first, I think, like
three or four minutes, and Iwill post this clip on TikTok
for you guys to watch.
And our TikTok is um plot twistsunderscore pod lines.
(34:47):
Punchlines pod.
SPEAKER_01 (34:49):
Pod lines, podlines, plot twists underscore podlines.
Nope.
Plot twist underscore punchlinespod.
SPEAKER_00 (35:00):
That's it.
I will post a clip there of whatwe are talking about.
So I'm just gonna kind ofexplain the clip for you and
like what it looks like.
Um, so it's in black and white,it's kind of fuzzy, and it's
just an alien sitting at aninterview table, and there is an
(35:22):
agent in the room.
But the agent is off camera.
So the only thing you're lookingat is the alien in the room.
Eventually that turns into thealien being in a different room
where he's being tortured, butwe are not getting into that
right now.
Right now, I to like today inthis episode.
unknown (35:44):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (35:44):
Um, I might do a deeper dive and talk about some
of the other stuff that thisalien has said.
But basically, the documentaryfrom 1997 is about them finding
this clip of the interview withthe alien.
Um, and the clip is saying thatit's from 1964.
(36:06):
Okay.
And it's like a classifieddocument from the government.
And the documentary is basicallythem trying to figure out if
this is a real clip or not.
SPEAKER_01 (36:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (36:18):
Some of the scientists are like, it's fake.
And some of the scientists arelike, this is not fake.
Like, we don't have thetechnology to make it look like
this.
SPEAKER_01 (36:32):
Why was it in black and white?
Because it was in the 60s.
Yeah, but was color TV wasinvented in like the 40s, right?
Oh.
Yeah, you're right.
I have no idea.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know.
I I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (36:47):
I have no idea.
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
Anyway, I was not born in the 60s.
Anyways, so I mother.
She, my mother was born in 1969,so she would have no idea.
Yeah.
Um, so I am going to read thetranscript of the first five
(37:13):
minutes of this and tell me ifit makes you think of Amy.
SPEAKER_02 (37:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (37:21):
Oh, also, in this clip, the alien or in the
documentary, the alien doesspeak English.
The agent does ask him like howhe learned English, and that's
part of the torture scene, soit's not gonna be like in what I
talked about.
And the alien did say that helike learned it just from
observing.
Okay.
Yeah.
(37:41):
So he was like, You you're justso smart you learned English.
And he was like, Yeah.
Well, like it's hard.
You learn Spanish.
I can't learn English.
So, anyways, um, so this uh isall in English.
Okay.
So the agent first asked, planetof origin, alien.
(38:02):
Earth, agent.
Okay, yesterday you told us youtraveled, and I quote, thousands
of light years to get here.
Alien.
Yes.
Agent, tell us the truth.
Alien, it is the truth.
I am from Earth, from yourfuture.
To travel in time is to travelin space.
Offset spatial divergence.
(38:23):
Agent.
So I take it the aliens tookover our future, right?
Alien, no.
Agent, so you're human, alien,an evolutionary descent.
Agent.
Okay, so you dissolve evolvedfrom us?
Alien, yes.
Agent, so what are you doinghere now?
(38:44):
Alien.
Observing since evidence wasdestroyed.
Agent, how?
Alien, nuclear war.
Small number survived orancestors.
Agent.
Okay, so how about weconcentrate on your time?
Alien.
You're not capable ofcomprehending or accepting the
(39:05):
discoveries of time.
Agent, try me.
Alien, the origin of theuniverse, the nature of
so-called life.
It is known.
Agent.
So you know the meaning of life.
Alien, not the meaning, thenature.
Agent.
What's the difference?
Alien.
Meaning is something that isascribed.
(39:26):
Nature is the objective reality.
Agent.
So you know how the universe iscreated.
Alien.
Yes.
Agent.
So you've seen God.
Alien.
We've evol we've evolved past aneed for superstition, the need
for God and other myths.
Agent.
Illuminate us.
(39:47):
What happens when we die?
Alien.
Death is a human construct.
It does not exist.
You will experience and haveexperienced every existence of
so-called life.
You, me, him.
We are instances of the samelife separated by what you call
death.
SPEAKER_02 (40:07):
What does that sound like to you?
That sounds like reincarnation.
Yeah.
Which we also talked about.
SPEAKER_00 (40:19):
So Nick Pope, who was also on Agent Agent Aliens,
died two weeks before DavidWilcox.
Okay.
unknown (40:30):
Cause of death.
SPEAKER_00 (40:31):
His cause of death.
unknown (40:33):
Death.
SPEAKER_00 (40:33):
I don't know why my quadriacid came out right there.
His cause of death.
I'm so sorry, this is not funny.
Um, him dying is not funny.
SPEAKER_01 (40:40):
He we need comedic break.
SPEAKER_00 (40:43):
He did die two months after he announced that
he did have stage fouresophagical cancer.
Okay.
Um, that did maptize in hisliver.
Yeah, yeah.
Metastasize.
Metastasize, thank you.
Um but he did die two weeksbefore David.
Okay.
And David's co-author, Win Free,his cause of death has not been
(41:08):
disclosed yet.
He died two days before Daviddied.
And do you want to know whatbook he co-wrote with David?
Tell me.
It's called The Reincarnation ofEdgar K, Interdimential
(41:28):
Communication and GlobalTransformation, published in
2011.
And that covers the theories ofreincarnation, death, and
ascension.
Wow.
Wow.
SPEAKER_02 (41:41):
I believe in this.
SPEAKER_00 (41:44):
So did they die because they figured out a cure
for energy?
Or did they die because theyrealized that they figured out
the truth about aliens, which isthat aliens are humans and that
(42:04):
there is no death, there's onlyreincarnation, which means
Christianity is not real.
And if Christianity is not real,the world falls apart because
Christianity rules this entireworld.
SPEAKER_02 (42:25):
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (42:27):
And on top of all of that, you know what happened in
Nevada last week?
SPEAKER_02 (42:33):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (42:34):
There was a UFO sighting.
SPEAKER_02 (42:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (42:46):
That's crazy.
So I definitely do you have morenotes?
Um, I don't because Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
Guys, this is gonna be a part two.
And I have so much more thingsto dive into next week.
SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
Our first ever part two.
SPEAKER_00 (43:05):
As Stephanie, I literally couldn't get it all in
one note.
How long have I been talkingfor?
I've been talking for 50minutes.
Yeah.
And this is just like theprecursor.
I have so much more to talkabout about this stuff.
This is crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (43:20):
I am so excited, guys.
It's insane.
I 100% believe that this couldbe true.
I don't know that it is true,but I 100% believe that it's a
potential.
SPEAKER_00 (43:33):
I am gonna come out and say, do I believe the
documentary is real?
The video of the alien is real?
No.
SPEAKER_01 (43:38):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (43:38):
I think, I think it was a government test.
SPEAKER_02 (43:45):
I think it was a way we would react.
SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
It 1000%.
Kind of the way that they didwhen they said that the aliens
were like in the water.
I think that was also a test tosee how we would react to aliens
on Earth.
Because I think and this is like100% what I think.
I think we are I think thegovernment knows that aliens are
(44:09):
gonna come and that we're gonnastart communicating with them
very soon.
I don't know what that soundwas.
SPEAKER_02 (44:16):
You heard it though.
Yeah I'm creeping myself out.
What was that?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
I don't know because literally like 10 10 or 15
seconds before that noise, Iswear I heard a voice.
I didn't hear a voice.
Okay, okay, and I it's fine.
We're freaking ourselves out.
Yes.
Um so I think that did you seethe light?
(44:46):
No stop.
Are we manifesting things?
I'm scared.
Okay.
Um, my thing.
SPEAKER_02 (45:01):
We're fine.
We're fine.
SPEAKER_00 (45:03):
We're safe.
Okay.
So I I think that the alien thatum the government has always
kind of like dropped hints aboutaliens forever.
Just kind of see how we wouldreact to it.
But lately there's been like somuch, like with them releasing
the images of the UFOs, um, withthem saying that they've talked
(45:26):
to aliens, and then with themsaying that they are here on
earth in the ocean.
I think they're speeding it upwith how much they're telling us
because I think we're so close.
We're close that they I thinkthey think that aliens are gonna
be here soon.
Because we also opened up theSpaceX, yeah, or whatever it's
(45:48):
called.
Yeah.
So I think I truly, I trulybelieve that either at the end
of our lifetime or at thebeginning of the next one,
there's gonna be aliens.
Okay.
I don't know if they're human.
Um, that's such a crazy.
I never heard of this theorybefore.
(46:09):
It's such a crazy theory.
SPEAKER_01 (46:10):
Yeah.
But I mean, I do think it'splausible because I just do not
believe that time is linear.
Like I am on board with that.
SPEAKER_00 (46:18):
We've already we talked about that last week.
SPEAKER_01 (46:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_01 (46:22):
I believe that it could be true.
Like the possibility of it, Ibelieve in.
Me too.
Me too.
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (46:30):
Um, and then we are gonna dig into so much more next
week.
Uh, I am gonna be talking a lotmore about the interview with
the alien.
I can't, I don't believe theinterview with the alien is
real.
I don't.
SPEAKER_01 (46:43):
So I don't either.
SPEAKER_00 (46:44):
However, I think the information is real.
SPEAKER_01 (46:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the only reason that I thinkit has some merit is because the
alien in that interview isspeaking so properly and so
like, I don't want to say bigwords, right?
(47:08):
But like I let's be real, thesociety that we live in right
now is probably the the dumbestdowned version of humans.
SPEAKER_00 (47:17):
This was also filmed decades ago.
Where people did speak a littlebit more.
That's true.
SPEAKER_01 (47:23):
That's true.
Okay.
Yeah, that was that's the butyou're right, people did talk
better at that time.
SPEAKER_00 (47:29):
Yeah.
Plus, I I feel like theywouldn't like if it was fake,
they would make the alien sounda little bit different.
Um but yeah.
We we are gonna dodge so muchmore into the alien interview.
Okay, next week.
SPEAKER_01 (47:46):
Okay.
I feel like I might want towatch it to be prepared because
I the the torture stuff.
Is it scary?
SPEAKER_00 (47:54):
I mean, so they like kind of torture it with um
scopolin, which is uh like thedate rape drug.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (48:04):
Okay.
Which Amy.
I didn't even what the fuck?
I didn't even catch that.
SPEAKER_00 (48:22):
All right, I got more things to talk about.
Yeah, I got more things to talkabout.
unknown (48:26):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00 (48:27):
So yeah, that is my segment today.
Thanks for joining us.
Did you uh want to talk aboutthe next thing?
SPEAKER_01 (48:36):
Okay, I mean, I was gonna talk about how Artemis
flew around the moon.
Speaking of space, yeah.
Are you too scared to talk aboutit?
I'm a little afraid.
Uh no, I do want to talk aboutit because it is really cool.
(48:59):
Okay.
Um, so obviously we all heardabout Artemis.
SPEAKER_00 (49:05):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (49:05):
Did you watch it?
SPEAKER_00 (49:06):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (49:07):
I watched the launch and I didn't watch all of the
re-entry.
I was driving.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, I've watched like clips ofit, but um, I didn't watch it
happen in real time like I didthe launch, which is so cool.
I know.
It was so cool.
And then they get to space, andfirst of all, first woman to go
(49:32):
like to the moon, right?
Um, she did an interview aboutlike all the things that she had
to, as a woman, she had to giveup.
Like um, she had to commit tonot having children for a
certain amount of time.
She had to have an IUD put in.
SPEAKER_00 (49:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:50):
Um, I think it was five years.
Yeah.
Because they've been planningthis.
SPEAKER_00 (49:55):
Yeah.
Because if you get you can'thave birth and space.
SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
Yeah.
And you similarly, you're theydon't want your menstrual cycle
to interfere with the mission.
SPEAKER_00 (50:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (50:05):
So, and an IUD doesn't give you a menstrual
cycle.
So she had to do that.
Um, and then just giving up, youknow, time with her family,
dating, you know, all thatstuff.
But um what I thought was reallycute was when they saw the dark
side of the moon for the firsttime, and they saw a crater and
(50:28):
the astronaut, I I don't knowtheir names, named after his
dead wife.
I literally cried when I readthat.
Chivalry is not dead.
SPEAKER_00 (50:37):
So sweet.
SPEAKER_01 (50:38):
So sweet.
SPEAKER_00 (50:40):
So speaking of the dark side of the moon, yeah.
I heard this question on um adifferent podcast I listened to,
a true crime one.
Shout out to Creeps and Crimes.
I love my girls.
And they asked this question,and I thought it was amazing.
So I wanted to ask you thisquestion.
Okay.
Okay.
(51:00):
So if you saw, if you were likethe first person ever to see the
dark side of the moon and notjust like fly past it the way
that they did, but like actuallyland on the moon and go out in
the dark side of the moon, whatlive would you say that you saw
there?
SPEAKER_02 (51:17):
I uh would say that I I don't know.
Maybe I would just say that umthere's like water or something.
SPEAKER_01 (51:37):
You know, something that is maybe believable, like,
oh my god, there's water on thedark side of the moon.
And then you could probably putsome science into making it
sound a little believable.
SPEAKER_00 (51:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (51:49):
What would you say?
SPEAKER_00 (51:52):
I would say that I saw a small colony of aliens.
Okay.
And I would say that they were amatriarchy and that the woman
ran the moon.
Okay.
Hell yeah.
And that they were amazing andthat they had no crime.
I would be like, this was thebest colony, and women ran it.
SPEAKER_01 (52:15):
Yeah.
People still wouldn't believeit.
No.
They wouldn't, but it would befun.
It would be fun.
That would be my life.
That would be fun.
Um, so yeah, just watching thathappen in my lifetime, like, you
know, people got to watch thelaunch of Apollo 13.
They didn't land on the moon.
Apollo 11, I think, is wholanded on the moon.
SPEAKER_02 (52:37):
I don't remember.
SPEAKER_01 (52:39):
Either way.
SPEAKER_00 (52:40):
Guys, you you've seen me try to read a book and
remember the main characters'names that's ran a thousand
times.
I don't remember space.
Right.
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (52:50):
So one generation got to experience that, and now
so did I, and that's reallycool.
SPEAKER_00 (52:56):
Oh, that was so cool.
I mean, my daughter watched ittogether.
SPEAKER_01 (52:58):
Yeah.
It's so awesome.
I love space, and this topic isjust feeding into just all of my
theories about space and timeand how everything exists.
Have you ever seen videos oflike space sounds?
Like what the planets soundlike.
SPEAKER_00 (53:20):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (53:20):
What a black hole sounds like when they merge.
Yeah, some of them are reallycreepy.
Two black holes merging is likea water drop.
SPEAKER_00 (53:28):
So I've heard like the space.
Um, the sun.
Like the sun sound.
Uh-huh.
That's that's scary.
Yeah, it's like Satan.
Yeah, that's scary.
SPEAKER_01 (53:39):
It's creepy.
So is so is um Saturn.
Saturn sounds scary.
And Neptune.
Neptune sounds scary.
Neptune is my favorite pool.
I know, because it rainsdiamonds.
It does rain diamonds.
Isn't that such a cool fact?
SPEAKER_00 (53:53):
All right.
Do you have anything else youwant to talk about this week?
SPEAKER_01 (53:57):
Um, no.
Your story kind of just is in mybrain.
Uh keep it there, because bringit back there and that's what
you want.
Okay, wait.
So I I do have kind of a theory.
Yeah.
So before we went into it awhole lot, I was like, well,
(54:18):
what if all of these people whoare dead and going missing?
Like what if they're justgathered somewhere on purpose?
Like what if they are the chosenones to stay because they have
all the information?
You think like they purposelywent missing to like find each
other to group together?
(54:39):
I think that the government saidthis is what's gonna happen
soon.
All of you deserve to stay aliveand now you have to design this.
But more than half are dead.
Are they?
SPEAKER_00 (54:56):
Yeah, the bodies are there.
Bodies are there.
Okay.
Okay.
It's not like the bodies aremissing.
Like the bodies are there.
There's just a few that aremissing.
SPEAKER_02 (55:04):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (55:05):
Um, I don't know if that could be a theory.
Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (55:10):
Yeah.
It was it was a r a loosetheory.
SPEAKER_00 (55:12):
I think just because of how scared they all were, it
doesn't seem like that.
That's what it was.
SPEAKER_01 (55:18):
Or maybe they were all faced with a proposal, and
those who died said no.
And those who are missing saidyes.
SPEAKER_00 (55:28):
Maybe the proposal is to work with the aliens to
figure out how to travel.
Maybe.
And maybe that's why they're soconvinced that aliens are coming
so soon.
SPEAKER_01 (55:37):
I'm kind of scared of this zero gravity thing
though, because I don't reallyfeel like bouncing around.
SPEAKER_02 (55:42):
We wouldn't be zero gravity.
SPEAKER_01 (55:47):
I need okay, because this entire time I was like, how
can that even we would just befloating around?
No, I don't think no, it's justlike an energy source.
SPEAKER_00 (56:00):
It's not we're not moving gravity.
SPEAKER_01 (56:03):
So instead of like oil, our cars are gonna run on
zero gravity.
Yeah.
Okay, very much like nuclearenergy.
Okay.
Nuclear research.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah.
We're here.
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Sorry, forgive us.
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Hey.
Hi.
SPEAKER_00 (00:20):
We back.
We are back.
So sorry about the long absence.
I was gone way longer than Iintended to be and wanted to be.
SPEAKER_01 (00:32):
I almost sent out a missing person's ad.
SPEAKER_02 (00:36):
But I'm back.
SPEAKER_01 (00:37):
She's joking.
SPEAKER_00 (00:38):
I kept in contact with her every single day.
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
I knew where she was all the time, but she literally
has my location.
It was a little dramatic, but Imissed you.
I just didn't want people tothink I like abandoned you.
No.
No, no, no, you didn't.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
We were in constant communication.
Um there was just an emergency,and I had zero notice.
I just kind of got in my car andI drove the same day I found out
about it.
Yeah.
Um, which was the day before wewere supposed to record.
SPEAKER_01 (01:08):
So several states away.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
Um I think.
SPEAKER_02 (01:16):
One.
Three.
Four.
Four.
Yeah.
So it was it's been a long time.
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
We went a little far.
Yes.
And it's been even longer thanthat too, because we had an
episode pre-recorded.
SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
Yeah, so we haven't seen each other in like three
weeks.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
Yeah.
It's like going on to a month.
That's very crazy.
Very crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
And then it gets back till Monday and we work.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:38):
We just could not.
We could not.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So so happy that we're back.
I'm so excited to record.
I can't believe how much Imissed recording.
I know.
It was like me too.
SPEAKER_00 (01:53):
I feel like I haven't talked to you guys in so
long.
SPEAKER_01 (01:56):
And I missed you guys.
I know.
And we have so many fun thingsto talk about.
Exciting things.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
Um, and then I felt bad about us missing two
episodes.
I like brought all of my stuffwith me so that we could record
when I was in the other state.
Um, but we're us.
We can we can't even figure outhow to record right next to each
other.
Listen, low-key, this is thesecond time we're recording
(02:23):
because we we did have tocompletely restart because we
forgot to record.
We forgot to plug in therecording equipment into the
laptop.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
So we had no sound.
SPEAKER_00 (02:35):
Um we figured that out 40 minutes to the episode.
SPEAKER_01 (02:39):
So you get what you get.
As usual, this is no surprise toyou.
We had technical difficultiesmoving on.
SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
Yes.
But the reactions we're gonnahave are not the same.
Yes.
Because the 40 minutes that wedid record um was her segment,
and we decided we're not gonnause that segment anyway.
Yeah.
So we're gonna start with mysegment, which was just at the
very beginning, and I didn'teven get into anything with it.
SPEAKER_01 (03:06):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (03:07):
So all of her reactions are gonna be genuine.
And then the other topic thatwe're gonna talk about, we
haven't started talking about itat all.
So that's gonna be genuine aswell.
Everything is still genuine.
Yep.
The only thing that wasn't wasour intro.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (03:21):
Which we say every single week.
Yeah, every time.
SPEAKER_00 (03:24):
Yeah.
And even this, we didn't sayobviously just it the first
time.
SPEAKER_01 (03:27):
So no, no, no.
Uh to be honest with you, theday that we get it right the
first time, you'll know becausewe'll be excited.
SPEAKER_00 (03:35):
I think we did it once.
SPEAKER_01 (03:37):
One time.
SPEAKER_00 (03:38):
In our this is what, episode 11 or 12?
Yeah.
I think we did it one time onour first time.
SPEAKER_01 (03:43):
Yeah.
It it just it it'd be like that.
Yep.
Um, so before we get intoeverything, I uh we talked a
little bit about um Akatar andhow six and seven is coming out
soon.
And uh we have signed up andpurchased tickets to go to a
(04:03):
midnight release.
Midnight release.
I'm so excited.
SPEAKER_00 (04:07):
So excited.
It's in um October, obviously,when the book comes out.
Um, I think it's between likeeight o'clock and twelve a.m.
I don't remember what city itis, but near us.
Near us.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
Yeah, it's not far.
SPEAKER_00 (04:19):
I'm sure if you guys are in Michigan and you want to
meet up with us, yeah.
Just search midnight release ofwe could put more details about
it out there if you guys do wantto come hang out with us because
that would be so freaking fun.
SPEAKER_01 (04:33):
And it's low-key.
Like we went to a Starfall balllast August, which was so fun.
We dressed up and everything.
It was it was so great.
This is more low-key.
You can dress up if you want,but I don't think we're going.
I don't think so.
Maybe.
I don't know.
But yeah, you just go, there'sgonna be authors there, like
snacks.
I'm pretty sure there's an openbar.
SPEAKER_00 (04:55):
Um and then at midnight, um, if you guys do see
us, uh, make sure it's beforethe open bar.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:02):
Please see us after the open bar.
No, you didn't.
No, you did not.
SPEAKER_00 (05:06):
No camera's allowed.
unknown (05:07):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (05:08):
And then at midnight, we get a copy of the
book.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:13):
We you purchase the book with your ticket.
So at the end of the night, youjust get the book and you leave.
Yeah.
Oh my god, right.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
We're so excited.
SPEAKER_00 (05:19):
We're literally so freaking excited.
SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
It's gonna be so fun.
SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
We love meeting like other book people, so this is
just like a fun event.
SPEAKER_01 (05:25):
It's gonna be so great.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:27):
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
So let's get into today's topic.
SPEAKER_00 (05:33):
Yes.
Okay, so we are going to startwith uh my topic again.
Um, and I'll tell you when likeit cut off and when she hasn't
heard what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, so again, uh I guess notagain.
Uh, trigger warning, I am goingto mention suicide.
I'm not going into any detailabout it.
(05:56):
Um, I also don't believe they'resuicides.
They're a legend.
So okay.
So we are going to talk aboutthe um missing scientists and
researchers who have obviouslygone missing or died in the past
(06:19):
uh two years.
Yeah.
The first one happened in 2022,I believe.
So that is more than two years.
But it's four years.
But still.
But like they began researchingit two years ago.
SPEAKER_01 (06:32):
And then the most recent one was happened a couple
of days ago.
Yeah.
Crazy.
And it's crazy that this is theI'll let you talk about it, but
this is the first I've heard ofit.
SPEAKER_00 (06:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
You know, like recently.
SPEAKER_00 (06:44):
Yes.
So um I asked her in the firstrecording if she heard about it.
She said that she like onlyheard about it a little bit.
Um, she told me that the lasttime she heard about it, it was
11 scientists and researchers.
Um, as of today, we are up to 15missing and dead scientists.
(07:07):
Insane.
Yes.
All right.
Talk to us.
Okay.
The first scientist who died isAmy Eskeridge.
She was an independentresearcher in Huntsville,
Alabama, and a lot of peoplehave ties to Alabama.
Uh, she researched anti-gravitypropulsion, UFO and
extraterrestrial research, andelectrostatic propulsion.
(07:31):
She died June 11th, 2022.
Her cause of death was ruled asa suicide.
Um, and she is the one whostarted all of this.
Okay, sorry it had to be you,girl.
Scientist number two, MichaelDavid Hicks.
He was a research scientist withNASA.
(07:52):
Um, he worked with the JetPropulsion Laboratory in
Sunland, California.
His research areas were asteroidcharacterizations, deep search
observations.
He was with the Dart mission,DART mission, and the deep space
one.
Um, he died July 30th, 2023.
(08:12):
He was found deceased in hisSunland residence, and his cause
of death is unknown.
And so far, NASA has notreleased a statement for him.
Did they release one for Amy?
Well, Amy was a was like she wasa suicide.
So yeah.
So it didn't matter.
It's not like a so it didn'tmatter.
SPEAKER_01 (08:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
Not that I didn't no, I but I know.
It's basically like case closedwith them.
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Also worth noting so far thesefirst two, these are not old
people.
SPEAKER_00 (08:44):
No, they're not.
SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
Yeah.
Like this guy was born in 1988.
And um, I'm gonna put picturesof everyone that we are talking
about.
That's one year before Jason.
That says 1998?
SPEAKER_00 (08:58):
Yeah, he was his.
No, this one he was working.
He worked for J L from 1998 to2022.
SPEAKER_01 (09:05):
Got it.
He's still not old.
No, he's not.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
Okay.
Uh, third guy, a little older.
Um, Frank Maywald.
And this is exactly where we cutoff last time.
I said his name, didn't give anymore research.
So everything else is hurtanyone reaction.
He was also a principalscientist.
Oh, well, he was a principalscientist also with NASA's jet
propulsion laboratory, but inLos Angeles, California.
(09:32):
So pretty close with the lastguy that we talked about.
His research was planetaryrobotic systems um in the JPL
deep space missions.
SPEAKER_01 (09:42):
Like the robot that went to Mars.
I guess.
And then saying happy birthdayto itself as it was dying,
remember?
That was such a sweet moment intime.
I like wiped that out of mymemory.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
Yeah.
Um he died July 4th of 2024 atthe age of 61.
SPEAKER_01 (10:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (10:08):
Sorry.
SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
His cause of death is undisclosed, and there has
also been no statement fromNASA.
SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Undisclosed.
SPEAKER_00 (10:17):
Yeah.
Interesting.
Scientist number four is AnthonyChavez.
Chavez.
Chavez.
Chavez.
Yeah.
Um he worked, he he retired.
Um, he worked for the Los ElamosNational Laboratory in New
Mexico.
(10:39):
His research was classified, sowe don't really know what he was
researching.
But he is not dead.
He is missing.
Well, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
But he is missing.
But the details of hisdisappearance or are weird
because he left behind his cars,his keys, his wallet, and his
(11:03):
phone.
SPEAKER_01 (11:05):
Ain't nobody leave the house these days without at
least three of those items.
Yes.
Um that's crazy.
And he's retired.
SPEAKER_00 (11:14):
He knew too much, huh?
Yeah.
And he has been uh so he were wedon't know what he did, but he
worked for a few decades withthe LANL before what which was
the Los Almos NationalLaboratory before he retired in
2020.
Not 2020.
(11:36):
2017.
When he retired in 2017.
And he has been missing sinceMay 8th, 2025.
SPEAKER_01 (11:44):
Wow, he retired a while ago, too.
So like I wonder.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (11:51):
Okay.
Scientist number five, MonicaReza.
Reza.
She was a materials processingdirector with the NASA JPL um
and the AeroJet Rocket Dyne,also in Los Angeles, California.
(12:13):
She was a rocket materialsengineering.
Um she patented nickels superalloy used in starships and new
Glen reusable rockets.
She is also missing.
She has been missing since June2022.
(12:33):
Um, she went missing at 60 yearsold, too.
Her last details were that shewas last seen hiking near Mount
Waterman in Angeles, Angeles,Angelese National Forest.
Um, and there has been no traceof her since 2025.
SPEAKER_01 (12:52):
Okay, so the missing people so far, 2025, 2025, same
year.
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Scientist number six, Melissa Cassius.
She was an administrativeofficer with security clearance.
She also worked with the LosAlmos National Laboratory in New
Mexico.
Her research also classified.
Um, but she did have highsecurity clearance at the LANL.
(13:19):
She has also been missing sinceJune 26th of 2025.
SPEAKER_01 (13:24):
All of them have gone missing in June?
No.
SPEAKER_00 (13:28):
Uh the first one went missing um May.
And then June 26th.
June.
Yeah, so May 8th, June 22nd,June 26th.
So one went missing four daysafter the last.
Um her details is her car andbelongings were also left behind
(13:56):
at home.
And both her personal and herwork phone were factory reset
before she disappeared.
Okay.
Now you might think that meansthat she went missing, but her
family did come out with astatement, and her family says
that her disappearance was notvoluntary, that they spoke with
(14:17):
her, that she had future plans,and that this was 100% not her
own doing.
SPEAKER_01 (14:24):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
I agree.
Scientist number seven, StevenGarcia.
He was a government contractorwith Kansas City National
Security Campus in Albuquerque,New Mexico.
He was a nuclear weapons assetsoversight.
He had high-level security, andhe has been missing since August
(14:48):
28th of 2025.
SPEAKER_01 (14:51):
What is going on?
SPEAKER_00 (14:53):
He was last seen on surveillance camera, leaving his
Albuquerque home on foot,carrying a handgun.
He left behind his vehicle andhis phone and all of his
personal stuff as well.
unknown (15:06):
Oh my God.
SPEAKER_01 (15:07):
I have so many things to say.
It's not my time, but so manythings to say.
unknown (15:14):
I can't.
SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
Scientist number eight, Jason Thomas.
He was an assistant director forNovitris in Wakefield.
I can't pronounce this today.
Massachusetts.
He was a pharmaceuticalresearcher and he was
researching cancer treatments.
(15:36):
Fuck's sake.
He disappeared.
Well, he's been missing sinceDecember of 2025.
Wait, no, he disappeared of in2025.
Yeah.
Oh.
And his body was found.
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (15:50):
All I saw was found.
I'm like, I'm like looking overat your laptop.
Yeah.
All I saw was found.
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
His body was found in Lake Quanapoet,
Massachusetts.
On March 17th, 2026.
SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
So three months later.
Wow.
Scientist number nine, NunoLorrio.
SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
He was a director with the MIT Plasma Science and
Fusion Center in Massachusetts.
I'm so sorry, guys.
I know I can't pronounce thatright.
Please don't yell at me.
Um obviously his research was inplasma physics and fusion
science, and he was faciallyshot outside of his home in
December of 2025.
(16:40):
Scientist number 10, CarlGrillmeyer, was an
astrophysicist at Caltech inLlano, California.
He was also shot outside of hishouse on February 16th of 2025.
SPEAKER_02 (16:56):
Hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Scientist number 11, William Neil McCassland, which I
guess is the last one you kindof heard about.
He was a retired U.S.
Air Force Major General, formercommander, Air Force Research
Laboratory, and he worked at theAir Force Research Laboratory in
Albuquerque, New Mexico.
(17:20):
He studied hypersonics.
He directed energy systems andadvanced propulsions.
He has been missing sinceFebruary 27th of 2026.
SPEAKER_01 (17:33):
He was like five days after other guy was shot in
front of his home?
Not five.
Oh, uh nine days.
Nine days.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (17:43):
Eleven days, I can count.
SPEAKER_01 (17:44):
These are so close together.
SPEAKER_00 (17:46):
I know.
It went from like 2023 to justlike boom, boom.
He was last seen leaving hishouse on foot with only a
handgun.
What?
He was last known headingtowards the mountains of New
Mexico.
(18:07):
Okay.
And here are the newest onesfrom I mean, obviously that one
was from February.
Yeah.
David Wilcock.
Have you ever heard of him?
He's a little famous.
It sounds familiar.
He um has been uh well, he's anauthor, and he has also been on
um Ancient Aliens a couple oftimes.
(18:29):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
I never watched it, but I know yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:32):
So obviously he researches aliens and
extraterrestrial and stuff likethat.
Um so he just recently died inApril of this year.
SPEAKER_02 (18:44):
Cause of death.
Cause of death suicide.
I'm gonna get more into him in alittle bit.
SPEAKER_00 (18:52):
Okay.
All right.
Number 13, Joshua LeBlanc.
He worked on nuclear propulsionsystems as well, and he was in
one of the most sensitive areasin aerospace.
SPEAKER_02 (19:11):
Is he is he deceased?
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
He is also deceased, but um that hasn't explained
why.
Or his cause of death hasn'tbeen disclosed.
Okay, and number 14 and 15 justhappened a few days ago.
It was father and son of Jamesand Andrew Mofat.
Mofe.
(19:34):
M-O-F-F-A-T-T.
Um they died when they were on aprivate plane and it crashed
alongside James' wife, Andrew'smother and James' other son.
James and Andrew are bothresearchers and scientists.
(19:58):
Um James was an aerospaceresearcher and also has links to
NASA.
SPEAKER_01 (20:06):
What the fuck is going on?
SPEAKER_00 (20:08):
The cause of the plane crash has they don't know,
it hasn't disclosed, and theysaid it could take up to a year
to do sure investigations on it.
SPEAKER_02 (20:21):
Wow.
So that is the list.
SPEAKER_00 (20:25):
That is the list of the people who have died.
Um this isn't just like randompeople.
I mean, clear they all worked indifferent departments and they
all worked in different areas.
So a lot of people are like,it's just kind of coincidence.
SPEAKER_01 (20:47):
I what no?
SPEAKER_00 (20:49):
But that being said, it is being investigated by the
FBI.
Oh, thank.
By NASA, by the Department ofDefense, and by the Department
of Energy.
Do we trust these people?
I was gonna say, can you reallytrust people to investigate who
could have a hand in it?
SPEAKER_01 (21:09):
Yeah.
That is what we're gonna discusstoday.
Allegedly.
SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
Not allegedly.
That's what we're about to talkabout.
SPEAKER_01 (21:19):
This is insane.
Okay.
I'm I'm here for it.
SPEAKER_00 (21:22):
So clearly, they all have a lot of things in common.
Yeah.
They're all researchers.
Um, they all either study uh inspace or nuclear weapons.
And those are what they have incommon.
Or UFOs.
SPEAKER_01 (21:41):
Yeah.
Which is so crazy.
Let me just say this right now.
If the government, if thesepeople are going missing because
the government is afraid todisclose that aliens are real,
that's like the least of ourproblems, right?
SPEAKER_00 (21:55):
They don't need to disclose that they're real.
SPEAKER_01 (21:57):
Right.
So, like what more?
SPEAKER_00 (22:00):
Like it.
No one cares.
No one thinks that they're beingkilled because of aliens.
Okay.
That's yeah.
Good.
I I'm gonna get to it.
Okay.
Um so they all studied space,nuclear, connected with masses.
Yes.
Yeah.
(22:21):
But what a lot of them werestudying was zero gravity.
SPEAKER_01 (22:27):
Do you know what that is?
I mean, like when you're inspace, you don't have gravity.
SPEAKER_00 (22:32):
Mm-hmm.
So what that would do for us onEarth is give us unlimited
energy.
SPEAKER_02 (22:42):
Oh, I'm scared.
SPEAKER_00 (22:45):
And what that would mean is we wouldn't need any
more oil.
And what is our biggest profit?
What are we always fightingpeople for?
SPEAKER_02 (22:57):
Oil.
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
Oil.
So if there's no need for oilanymore, we lose a lot of money.
What other people areresearching, it what the other
people were researching was umnuclear research, which also
researches ways to power thingslike other power methods and
(23:18):
sustainability.
So a lot of people are thinkingthat there was a breakthrough,
and these people found a way togive everybody on earth energy
to give us electricity where wewouldn't need to pay a giant
bill, which would put hugecompanies like DTE and consumers
(23:43):
out completely irrelevant.
SPEAKER_01 (23:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (23:47):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (23:50):
That's okay, but there's so many other things
that need power.
Oh, I guess if it's if it'sunlimited.
If it's unlimited, then youdon't matter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:03):
Okay.
I mean, because we have waysright now of doing like wind
energy and stuff, which even nowpeople are trying to cut that
out because they don't want it.
Yeah.
And that's not like superreliable because it's not always
windy, but like this would be100% we wouldn't need energy
(24:24):
anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (24:26):
So how we don't have to get into this today, but I'm
just wondering how we wouldpower things.
Like it would just be in the airand things would just go.
SPEAKER_00 (24:37):
Or I am safe because I do not know the answer to that
question.
That is why I am not worriedabout them killing perfect.
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
No.
Okay.
I don't want to know.
Please keep it to yourself.
Well, the people who could tellus are missing or are no longer
with us.
SPEAKER_00 (24:58):
So I want to focus.
So that is like the generaltheory is people think that
these people are being takenaway because they have a way to
give us unlimited power.
And we not we, the governmentdoesn't want that.
(25:19):
Um, you know what really pissedme off?
Sorry, this has like nothing todo with it.
I mean, it does have everythingto do with this, but they asked
Donald Trump if like they'reresearching it, and he was like,
Well, we're looking into it,we're gonna see if it's all a
coincidence.
Some of these people were veryimportant.
Some of these people were veryimportant.
(25:42):
Yeah.
These NASA researchers.
Only aeros scientists.
SPEAKER_01 (25:50):
Yeah, aerospace scientists.
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
Some of them were important.
These military commanders, onlysome of Sorry, that pissed me
the fuck off when I heard that.
Okay.
But today I want to focus on twoof the scientists.
Yeah.
And I'm gonna go down a littlemini rabbit hole in another
theory that a few people havebeen talking about.
(26:15):
Love it.
First, we're gonna talk aboutAmy, who was the first one, the
one who died in 2022.
Before Amy died in 2022, she didher last interview.
And she said, if you stick yourhead, if you stick your neck out
in public, at least someonenotices if your head gets
chopped off.
(26:36):
If you stick your neck out inprivate, they will bury you.
They will burn down your housewhile you're sleeping in your
bed, and it won't even make thenews.
SPEAKER_01 (26:43):
Mm-hmm.
So she knew someone was 100%.
SPEAKER_00 (26:47):
She knew.
SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
She knew she was a target.
SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
Plus the messages.
SPEAKER_01 (26:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (26:52):
And David, who was, I think, the third.
No, he was one of the newestones.
He was David Wilcox.
Yeah.
Um, David stated many, manytimes before his death that he
was not suicidal.
And he was also categorized as asuicide.
(27:12):
A suicide.
Um, he actually went on apodcast before his alleged
completed suicide, saying everyday that I have on earth is a
gift and a blessing.
And I am very grateful for that.
Because frankly, people aredisappearing.
Scientists are going missing.
Now they're saying they're goingto investigate this.
(27:34):
The president himself is sayinghe's going to look into it and
see if anything is going on.
It's a little bit scary, I gottasay.
It's a little bit scary.
David.
And he actually tweeted, or Iguess, X.
Um, he he tweeted a little bitbefore his death, like I think a
(27:54):
week before his suicide, saying,I am not suicidal.
SPEAKER_01 (27:59):
I wonder if he was getting like messages or notes.
SPEAKER_00 (28:04):
I think he was getting scared because like you
saw they all started dying backto back, back to back.
SPEAKER_02 (28:10):
Right.
Oh my god.
How horrible.
I know.
SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
Um I I wrote down again that like the FBI, NASA,
the Department of Defense,Department of Energy are
supposedly investigating this.
Um, Trump said that they'relooking into it, but I mean,
we've seen his investigation ofthe Epstein files.
SPEAKER_01 (28:37):
So yes.
I am like I'm speechless.
Like, I feel like it that was aperfect moment to comment
something, and I just don't haveanything to say.
Like, this is crazy.
This is insane.
I know.
And I just keep going.
SPEAKER_00 (28:55):
It gets it gets worse.
So while I was doing theresearch, um, I stumbled down
another rabbit hole when I waslooking into Amy and David
Wilcox.
Okay.
In Amy's last interview, the onethat we just talked about, she
talked about how she liked towork in bars.
(29:16):
That's like the place that shewas the most productive, kind of
like how college students go tocafes.
She liked to go to bars.
Okay.
And she had to stop doing thatbecause whenever she went alone,
older men would come and sitright next to her and would ask
her if she'd want one roofie ortwo roofies in her drink.
(29:38):
Ew.
Yes.
Just randos?
Supposedly randos.
Supposedly randos.
And that scared her becausethere was one time where she
went to the bathroom and whenshe came back and finished her
drink, she was reallydisoriented.
And as soon as she started toget like disoriented, a bunch of
men came up to her and startedasking her what she did for work
(30:00):
and if she worked for thegovernment.
SPEAKER_01 (30:02):
I just got goosebumps.
Yes.
Stop it.
SPEAKER_00 (30:05):
So she stopped like drinking, but then these men
started coming up to her andasking her how much Ruffie she
would want in her drink.
SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
She's so she's being followed.
SPEAKER_02 (30:14):
Yes.
Older men.
SPEAKER_00 (30:19):
And in that same interview where she was talking
about um them like followingher, she was talking about her
belief in uh an ultra-terrultraterrestrial?
Ultraterrestrial.
Thank you.
I I literally just saidultraterrestrials.
(30:41):
And the ultraterrestrial theoryis that we humans are the
sub-zero species.
SPEAKER_01 (30:49):
Oh, okay.
I didn't know that that is whatit was called, but I've heard
that.
SPEAKER_00 (30:55):
So for the people who haven't, that means that
aliens aren't really aliens.
They're us in the future.
Um, and that space travel isjust so what she was saying is
that aliens are really us, andlike us traveling to space, us
(31:18):
trying to find aliens isactually time travel.
SPEAKER_01 (31:23):
And you remember what we talked about, sorry,
last the very last episode abouttimelines.
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (31:33):
I know.
SPEAKER_01 (31:34):
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (31:34):
Full circle, full circle moment.
Um, so basically that spacetravel is actually just time
travel and we haven't figuredout how to do that yet.
Like that aliens have justvisited us, we've never visited
them because we haven't figuredout how to comprehend time in a
way that's not like linear, Iguess.
(31:58):
Yeah.
Like we see time as likeminutes, hours, whereas time is
actually something different,something that can be
manipulated and it'sdimensional.
And until we figure that out,we're gonna be stuck here.
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
On Earth or in this time, like dimension?
That I mean, it's the samething.
Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess so.
SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
If you believe in the same yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:21):
Yeah.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
Um so she was talking about a couple of
different species of aliens,which were P42s and P52s.
And what she's saying that thatwould be is a P52 is just
present plus 47,000 years.
So it would be us, but 40,000years from us, and that would be
(32:44):
the alien.
SPEAKER_01 (32:46):
This is what Amy was talking about?
SPEAKER_00 (32:48):
Yes.
How and then P52s would bepresent plus 52,000 years.
So it would be like me and52,000 years is what that is.
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
How did she come up with that number?
SPEAKER_00 (33:00):
She was just talking about these two, like it's
there's so many different ones.
Okay, so they're just examples.
SPEAKER_01 (33:06):
Yeah, they're exactly in theory, could be like
P10s.
unknown (33:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:11):
Okay.
Exactly.
Okay.
Um, and she thinks that theycame about because there's going
to be an apocalypse scenario inthe near future that wipes out
everything or almost everything,except for the people who go
underground for survival, andthen a few that like just
miraculously do it.
(33:31):
Miraculously do it.
Survive.
And from the radioactivity andthings like that, we would start
to evolve.
Evolve.
unknown (33:42):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
And then evolve again and again until we become
what we know as aliens.
Aliens.
And that interview.
I am gonna have nightmares.
I'm sorry.
unknown (33:56):
It's okay.
SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
This is even the scary part.
And that interview reminded meso much.
And I had to go back and rewatchit.
And that's what took me so longon the East Notes, because I had
to take an hour break to rewatchthis interview.
SPEAKER_01 (34:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:10):
Uh, the alien interview from 1997.
And if you guys know, you knowit was so popular when I was
growing.
And I asked you if you watchedit.
SPEAKER_01 (34:20):
I didn't immediately know what you were talking
about, but as soon as I saw it,I was like, oh yeah.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
Okay.
So for those who don't know, andI am gonna post a clip of I'm
gonna read a transcript from itfrom the first, I think, like
three or four minutes, and Iwill post this clip on TikTok
for you guys to watch.
And our TikTok is um plot twistsunderscore pod lines.
(34:47):
Punchlines pod.
SPEAKER_01 (34:49):
Pod lines, podlines, plot twists underscore podlines.
Nope.
Plot twist underscore punchlinespod.
SPEAKER_00 (35:00):
That's it.
I will post a clip there of whatwe are talking about.
So I'm just gonna kind ofexplain the clip for you and
like what it looks like.
Um, so it's in black and white,it's kind of fuzzy, and it's
just an alien sitting at aninterview table, and there is an
(35:22):
agent in the room.
But the agent is off camera.
So the only thing you're lookingat is the alien in the room.
Eventually that turns into thealien being in a different room
where he's being tortured, butwe are not getting into that
right now.
Right now, I to like today inthis episode.
unknown (35:44):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (35:44):
Um, I might do a deeper dive and talk about some
of the other stuff that thisalien has said.
But basically, the documentaryfrom 1997 is about them finding
this clip of the interview withthe alien.
Um, and the clip is saying thatit's from 1964.
(36:06):
Okay.
And it's like a classifieddocument from the government.
And the documentary is basicallythem trying to figure out if
this is a real clip or not.
SPEAKER_01 (36:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (36:18):
Some of the scientists are like, it's fake.
And some of the scientists arelike, this is not fake.
Like, we don't have thetechnology to make it look like
this.
SPEAKER_01 (36:32):
Why was it in black and white?
Because it was in the 60s.
Yeah, but was color TV wasinvented in like the 40s, right?
Oh.
Yeah, you're right.
I have no idea.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know.
I I don't know.
SPEAKER_03 (36:47):
I have no idea.
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
Anyway, I was not born in the 60s.
Anyways, so I mother.
She, my mother was born in 1969,so she would have no idea.
Yeah.
Um, so I am going to read thetranscript of the first five
(37:13):
minutes of this and tell me ifit makes you think of Amy.
SPEAKER_02 (37:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (37:21):
Oh, also, in this clip, the alien or in the
documentary, the alien doesspeak English.
The agent does ask him like howhe learned English, and that's
part of the torture scene, soit's not gonna be like in what I
talked about.
And the alien did say that helike learned it just from
observing.
Okay.
Yeah.
(37:41):
So he was like, You you're justso smart you learned English.
And he was like, Yeah.
Well, like it's hard.
You learn Spanish.
I can't learn English.
So, anyways, um, so this uh isall in English.
Okay.
So the agent first asked, planetof origin, alien.
(38:02):
Earth, agent.
Okay, yesterday you told us youtraveled, and I quote, thousands
of light years to get here.
Alien.
Yes.
Agent, tell us the truth.
Alien, it is the truth.
I am from Earth, from yourfuture.
To travel in time is to travelin space.
Offset spatial divergence.
(38:23):
Agent.
So I take it the aliens tookover our future, right?
Alien, no.
Agent, so you're human, alien,an evolutionary descent.
Agent.
Okay, so you dissolve evolvedfrom us?
Alien, yes.
Agent, so what are you doinghere now?
(38:44):
Alien.
Observing since evidence wasdestroyed.
Agent, how?
Alien, nuclear war.
Small number survived orancestors.
Agent.
Okay, so how about weconcentrate on your time?
Alien.
You're not capable ofcomprehending or accepting the
(39:05):
discoveries of time.
Agent, try me.
Alien, the origin of theuniverse, the nature of
so-called life.
It is known.
Agent.
So you know the meaning of life.
Alien, not the meaning, thenature.
Agent.
What's the difference?
Alien.
Meaning is something that isascribed.
(39:26):
Nature is the objective reality.
Agent.
So you know how the universe iscreated.
Alien.
Yes.
Agent.
So you've seen God.
Alien.
We've evol we've evolved past aneed for superstition, the need
for God and other myths.
Agent.
Illuminate us.
(39:47):
What happens when we die?
Alien.
Death is a human construct.
It does not exist.
You will experience and haveexperienced every existence of
so-called life.
You, me, him.
We are instances of the samelife separated by what you call
death.
SPEAKER_02 (40:07):
What does that sound like to you?
That sounds like reincarnation.
Yeah.
Which we also talked about.
SPEAKER_00 (40:19):
So Nick Pope, who was also on Agent Agent Aliens,
died two weeks before DavidWilcox.
Okay.
unknown (40:30):
Cause of death.
SPEAKER_00 (40:31):
His cause of death.
unknown (40:33):
Death.
SPEAKER_00 (40:33):
I don't know why my quadriacid came out right there.
His cause of death.
I'm so sorry, this is not funny.
Um, him dying is not funny.
SPEAKER_01 (40:40):
He we need comedic break.
SPEAKER_00 (40:43):
He did die two months after he announced that
he did have stage fouresophagical cancer.
Okay.
Um, that did maptize in hisliver.
Yeah, yeah.
Metastasize.
Metastasize, thank you.
Um but he did die two weeksbefore David.
Okay.
And David's co-author, Win Free,his cause of death has not been
(41:08):
disclosed yet.
He died two days before Daviddied.
And do you want to know whatbook he co-wrote with David?
Tell me.
It's called The Reincarnation ofEdgar K, Interdimential
(41:28):
Communication and GlobalTransformation, published in
2011.
And that covers the theories ofreincarnation, death, and
ascension.
Wow.
Wow.
SPEAKER_02 (41:41):
I believe in this.
SPEAKER_00 (41:44):
So did they die because they figured out a cure
for energy?
Or did they die because theyrealized that they figured out
the truth about aliens, which isthat aliens are humans and that
(42:04):
there is no death, there's onlyreincarnation, which means
Christianity is not real.
And if Christianity is not real,the world falls apart because
Christianity rules this entireworld.
SPEAKER_02 (42:25):
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (42:27):
And on top of all of that, you know what happened in
Nevada last week?
SPEAKER_02 (42:33):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (42:34):
There was a UFO sighting.
SPEAKER_02 (42:36):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (42:46):
That's crazy.
So I definitely do you have morenotes?
Um, I don't because Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
Guys, this is gonna be a part two.
And I have so much more thingsto dive into next week.
SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
Our first ever part two.
SPEAKER_00 (43:05):
As Stephanie, I literally couldn't get it all in
one note.
How long have I been talkingfor?
I've been talking for 50minutes.
Yeah.
And this is just like theprecursor.
I have so much more to talkabout about this stuff.
This is crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (43:20):
I am so excited, guys.
It's insane.
I 100% believe that this couldbe true.
I don't know that it is true,but I 100% believe that it's a
potential.
SPEAKER_00 (43:33):
I am gonna come out and say, do I believe the
documentary is real?
The video of the alien is real?
No.
SPEAKER_01 (43:38):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (43:38):
I think, I think it was a government test.
SPEAKER_02 (43:45):
I think it was a way we would react.
SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
It 1000%.
Kind of the way that they didwhen they said that the aliens
were like in the water.
I think that was also a test tosee how we would react to aliens
on Earth.
Because I think and this is like100% what I think.
I think we are I think thegovernment knows that aliens are
(44:09):
gonna come and that we're gonnastart communicating with them
very soon.
I don't know what that soundwas.
SPEAKER_02 (44:16):
You heard it though.
Yeah I'm creeping myself out.
What was that?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (44:26):
I don't know because literally like 10 10 or 15
seconds before that noise, Iswear I heard a voice.
I didn't hear a voice.
Okay, okay, and I it's fine.
We're freaking ourselves out.
Yes.
Um so I think that did you seethe light?
(44:46):
No stop.
Are we manifesting things?
I'm scared.
Okay.
Um, my thing.
SPEAKER_02 (45:01):
We're fine.
We're fine.
SPEAKER_00 (45:03):
We're safe.
Okay.
So I I think that the alien thatum the government has always
kind of like dropped hints aboutaliens forever.
Just kind of see how we wouldreact to it.
But lately there's been like somuch, like with them releasing
the images of the UFOs, um, withthem saying that they've talked
(45:26):
to aliens, and then with themsaying that they are here on
earth in the ocean.
I think they're speeding it upwith how much they're telling us
because I think we're so close.
We're close that they I thinkthey think that aliens are gonna
be here soon.
Because we also opened up theSpaceX, yeah, or whatever it's
(45:48):
called.
Yeah.
So I think I truly, I trulybelieve that either at the end
of our lifetime or at thebeginning of the next one,
there's gonna be aliens.
Okay.
I don't know if they're human.
Um, that's such a crazy.
I never heard of this theorybefore.
(46:09):
It's such a crazy theory.
SPEAKER_01 (46:10):
Yeah.
But I mean, I do think it'splausible because I just do not
believe that time is linear.
Like I am on board with that.
SPEAKER_00 (46:18):
We've already we talked about that last week.
SPEAKER_01 (46:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_01 (46:22):
I believe that it could be true.
Like the possibility of it, Ibelieve in.
Me too.
Me too.
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00 (46:30):
Um, and then we are gonna dig into so much more next
week.
Uh, I am gonna be talking a lotmore about the interview with
the alien.
I can't, I don't believe theinterview with the alien is
real.
I don't.
SPEAKER_01 (46:43):
So I don't either.
SPEAKER_00 (46:44):
However, I think the information is real.
SPEAKER_01 (46:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the only reason that I thinkit has some merit is because the
alien in that interview isspeaking so properly and so
like, I don't want to say bigwords, right?
(47:08):
But like I let's be real, thesociety that we live in right
now is probably the the dumbestdowned version of humans.
SPEAKER_00 (47:17):
This was also filmed decades ago.
Where people did speak a littlebit more.
That's true.
SPEAKER_01 (47:23):
That's true.
Okay.
Yeah, that was that's the butyou're right, people did talk
better at that time.
SPEAKER_00 (47:29):
Yeah.
Plus, I I feel like theywouldn't like if it was fake,
they would make the alien sounda little bit different.
Um but yeah.
We we are gonna dodge so muchmore into the alien interview.
Okay, next week.
SPEAKER_01 (47:46):
Okay.
I feel like I might want towatch it to be prepared because
I the the torture stuff.
Is it scary?
SPEAKER_00 (47:54):
I mean, so they like kind of torture it with um
scopolin, which is uh like thedate rape drug.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (48:04):
Okay.
Which Amy.
I didn't even what the fuck?
I didn't even catch that.
SPEAKER_00 (48:22):
All right, I got more things to talk about.
Yeah, I got more things to talkabout.
unknown (48:26):
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00 (48:27):
So yeah, that is my segment today.
Thanks for joining us.
Did you uh want to talk aboutthe next thing?
SPEAKER_01 (48:36):
Okay, I mean, I was gonna talk about how Artemis
flew around the moon.
Speaking of space, yeah.
Are you too scared to talk aboutit?
I'm a little afraid.
Uh no, I do want to talk aboutit because it is really cool.
(48:59):
Okay.
Um, so obviously we all heardabout Artemis.
SPEAKER_00 (49:05):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (49:05):
Did you watch it?
SPEAKER_00 (49:06):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (49:07):
I watched the launch and I didn't watch all of the
re-entry.
I was driving.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, I've watched like clips ofit, but um, I didn't watch it
happen in real time like I didthe launch, which is so cool.
I know.
It was so cool.
And then they get to space, andfirst of all, first woman to go
(49:32):
like to the moon, right?
Um, she did an interview aboutlike all the things that she had
to, as a woman, she had to giveup.
Like um, she had to commit tonot having children for a
certain amount of time.
She had to have an IUD put in.
SPEAKER_00 (49:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:50):
Um, I think it was five years.
Yeah.
Because they've been planningthis.
SPEAKER_00 (49:55):
Yeah.
Because if you get you can'thave birth and space.
SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
Yeah.
And you similarly, you're theydon't want your menstrual cycle
to interfere with the mission.
SPEAKER_00 (50:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (50:05):
So, and an IUD doesn't give you a menstrual
cycle.
So she had to do that.
Um, and then just giving up, youknow, time with her family,
dating, you know, all thatstuff.
But um what I thought was reallycute was when they saw the dark
side of the moon for the firsttime, and they saw a crater and
(50:28):
the astronaut, I I don't knowtheir names, named after his
dead wife.
I literally cried when I readthat.
Chivalry is not dead.
SPEAKER_00 (50:37):
So sweet.
SPEAKER_01 (50:38):
So sweet.
SPEAKER_00 (50:40):
So speaking of the dark side of the moon, yeah.
I heard this question on um adifferent podcast I listened to,
a true crime one.
Shout out to Creeps and Crimes.
I love my girls.
And they asked this question,and I thought it was amazing.
So I wanted to ask you thisquestion.
Okay.
Okay.
(51:00):
So if you saw, if you were likethe first person ever to see the
dark side of the moon and notjust like fly past it the way
that they did, but like actuallyland on the moon and go out in
the dark side of the moon, whatlive would you say that you saw
there?
SPEAKER_02 (51:17):
I uh would say that I I don't know.
Maybe I would just say that umthere's like water or something.
SPEAKER_01 (51:37):
You know, something that is maybe believable, like,
oh my god, there's water on thedark side of the moon.
And then you could probably putsome science into making it
sound a little believable.
SPEAKER_00 (51:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (51:49):
What would you say?
SPEAKER_00 (51:52):
I would say that I saw a small colony of aliens.
Okay.
And I would say that they were amatriarchy and that the woman
ran the moon.
Okay.
Hell yeah.
And that they were amazing andthat they had no crime.
I would be like, this was thebest colony, and women ran it.
SPEAKER_01 (52:15):
Yeah.
People still wouldn't believeit.
No.
They wouldn't, but it would befun.
It would be fun.
That would be my life.
That would be fun.
Um, so yeah, just watching thathappen in my lifetime, like, you
know, people got to watch thelaunch of Apollo 13.
They didn't land on the moon.
Apollo 11, I think, is wholanded on the moon.
SPEAKER_02 (52:37):
I don't remember.
SPEAKER_01 (52:39):
Either way.
SPEAKER_00 (52:40):
Guys, you you've seen me try to read a book and
remember the main characters'names that's ran a thousand
times.
I don't remember space.
Right.
I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (52:50):
So one generation got to experience that, and now
so did I, and that's reallycool.
SPEAKER_00 (52:56):
Oh, that was so cool.
I mean, my daughter watched ittogether.
SPEAKER_01 (52:58):
Yeah.
It's so awesome.
I love space, and this topic isjust feeding into just all of my
theories about space and timeand how everything exists.
Have you ever seen videos oflike space sounds?
Like what the planets soundlike.
SPEAKER_00 (53:20):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (53:20):
What a black hole sounds like when they merge.
Yeah, some of them are reallycreepy.
Two black holes merging is likea water drop.
SPEAKER_00 (53:28):
So I've heard like the space.
Um, the sun.
Like the sun sound.
Uh-huh.
That's that's scary.
Yeah, it's like Satan.
Yeah, that's scary.
SPEAKER_01 (53:39):
It's creepy.
So is so is um Saturn.
Saturn sounds scary.
And Neptune.
Neptune sounds scary.
Neptune is my favorite pool.
I know, because it rainsdiamonds.
It does rain diamonds.
Isn't that such a cool fact?
SPEAKER_00 (53:53):
All right.
Do you have anything else youwant to talk about this week?
SPEAKER_01 (53:57):
Um, no.
Your story kind of just is in mybrain.
Uh keep it there, because bringit back there and that's what
you want.
Okay, wait.
So I I do have kind of a theory.
Yeah.
So before we went into it awhole lot, I was like, well,
(54:18):
what if all of these people whoare dead and going missing?
Like what if they're justgathered somewhere on purpose?
Like what if they are the chosenones to stay because they have
all the information?
You think like they purposelywent missing to like find each
other to group together?
(54:39):
I think that the government saidthis is what's gonna happen
soon.
All of you deserve to stay aliveand now you have to design this.
But more than half are dead.
Are they?
SPEAKER_00 (54:56):
Yeah, the bodies are there.
Bodies are there.
Okay.
Okay.
It's not like the bodies aremissing.
Like the bodies are there.
There's just a few that aremissing.
SPEAKER_02 (55:04):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00 (55:05):
Um, I don't know if that could be a theory.
Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01 (55:10):
Yeah.
It was it was a r a loosetheory.
SPEAKER_00 (55:12):
I think just because of how scared they all were, it
doesn't seem like that.
That's what it was.
SPEAKER_01 (55:18):
Or maybe they were all faced with a proposal, and
those who died said no.
And those who are missing saidyes.
SPEAKER_00 (55:28):
Maybe the proposal is to work with the aliens to
figure out how to travel.
Maybe.
And maybe that's why they're soconvinced that aliens are coming
so soon.
SPEAKER_01 (55:37):
I'm kind of scared of this zero gravity thing
though, because I don't reallyfeel like bouncing around.
SPEAKER_02 (55:42):
We wouldn't be zero gravity.
SPEAKER_01 (55:47):
I need okay, because this entire time I was like, how
can that even we would just befloating around?
No, I don't think no, it's justlike an energy source.
SPEAKER_00 (56:00):
It's not we're not moving gravity.
SPEAKER_01 (56:03):
So instead of like oil, our cars are gonna run on
zero gravity.
Yeah.
Okay, very much like nuclearenergy.
Okay.
Nuclear research.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah.
We're here.
SPEAKER_00 (56:15):
I am y'all, it is 1 a.m.
Sorry, forgive us.
SPEAKER_03 (56:19):
1 a.m.
SPEAKER_00 (56:20):
All right.
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and Punchlines.
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SPEAKER_01 (56:35):
You can find me on Instagram at Steph Smiles XX or
on TikTok at Vessel V S S I L.
SPEAKER_00 (56:43):
What about you?
You can find me at Mel of aTime.
It's like Hell of a Time, butwith Mel and only one L's.
SPEAKER_01 (56:50):
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