January 13, 2022 • 33 mins
This week, I sit down with Nick Nalbach, host of the Nine-Five Podcast, a show that features entrepreneurs sharing what got them to where they’re at to help you get inspired to launch your own entrepreneurial journey.
From new entrepreneurs to entrepreneurial veterans, Nick dives into what made them choose this path, and how they’ve managed to find success in their given niche.
I don't really know what to do with my hands
Nick's original idea was for a video show, but he felt uncomfortable being "on display", and wasn't really sure how to present himself that the audio-only option of a podcast was far more attractive.
Content that Has an Impact
Nick makes a really good point on how we can often talk ourselves out of creating something, because we feel we'll never be as good as someone who's already doing it. But all content can make an impact, and that's the thing we should be looking at.
I can be present
Nick shares how he spent years blogging, and he could never have imagined having the guest he has on his podcast write guest posts for the blog. However, having a podcast has given him a presence that guests seem to be more inclined to appear on, and that's helped him grow personally and professionally.
Why You Should Fire Yourself From Your Business
One of the things that can be hard to manage is when to outsource your needs. Finances can play a part, as can being reluctant to let go of your "baby". But as Nick shares with an example from one of his guest's, hiring can make you much more efficient and thereby earn more revenue.
Success is Different for Everybody
Nick talks about why he was always turned off by the 9-5 job, and much of it is down to the lack of control. You're always adhering to someone else's clock and schedule, and you usually have little say in how your own work life revolves around that. Not that you can't feel successful in a 9-5 job, as everyone's goals are different.
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Nick (00:00):
If you are working a nine to five and you truly enjoy what you do,
you're golden, you have the securityyou're doing what you love to do.
And like, why change that?
For me, it was a little different becauseI was doing a nine to five, like, yes,
it was giving me the financial freedomthat I was, that I'm looking for.
(00:20):
But at the same time, it, ittook away something that was very
important to me in that was my.
And it's not doing somethingthat I'm super passionate about.
So if I'd say, if you can find somethingthat you're passionate about and
it's in a nine to five setting, likemore power to you, like you got it
nailed down, you got to figure it out.
Yeah.
You can't figure that out or find thatin the nine five setting, then maybe
(00:43):
taking a look at what you can do in theentrepreneur space or what you can build
yourself is a better route for you.
Danny (00:50):
This week I'm talking with Nick Nalbach, host of the Nine-Five Podcast,
a show that shares entrepreneurialstories to help you start, build
and grow your own online business.
Nick I really appreciate you being here.
I know we've come back and forth a coupleof times trying to make this happen.
So really appreciate you being here.
How about you, uh, tell us a bitabout yourself and your podcast.
Nick (01:09):
Absolutely first off, Danny.
Thanks for bringing me on.
I'm super excited to betalking here with you today.
Um, then I find podcasts kind ofcame out as a way for me to interview
entrepreneurs, find out what theirjourney was like transitioning out
of a nine to five job into theirown business that they built.
And I guess the whole premise behind why Idid that was because I kind of wanted to.
(01:36):
Escape the nine to five formyself for one, but I want to
take people along on that journey.
And before I decided that I wantedto go down that entrepreneurial route
and do the podcast and do all thesedifferent things, I didn't really
think that it was something I could do.
I always thought I was.
Dedicated to people like Elon Musk,Jeff Bezos, and like all those
guys that like way at the top.
(01:56):
And I was like, well, I can't,I'm not going to be Jeff Bezos.
Like, who am I?
Like, I'm going to stickin a nine to five job.
And I actually read a book that completelychanged my mindset on the whole thing.
And.
Since then I was like, holy cow, likethere's gotta be other people that are in
a similar situation where they're like, Idon't feel comfortable in my nine to five.
I can't see myself doingthis for however many years.
(02:18):
And I don't know whetheroptions there are so.
By them coming along on the journey,listening to the podcast, guests that
I bring on the show, hearing theirstories of the jobs they used to work
to what they're doing now, kind of showspeople that there are other things out
there and kind of gives them examplesof different businesses that they
might be able to create themselves.
And we really focus on the backhalf of our episode, like stretch
(02:40):
strategy, tactical type stuff, toanybody who wants to start their
business or continue growing.
It can get some value out of
Danny (02:46):
that.
And how have things evolvedsince that first episode?
Nick (02:50):
Yeah.
So actually, when I decidedto do the podcast, I wasn't
actually going to do a podcast.
I kind of just started doing it.
Um, I actually wanted to getinto video content and the
video content scared me so bad.
Like getting into video,just freaked me out and.
(03:11):
I thought.
Okay, well, rather than me talkingin front of a camera that awkward,
like, I don't really know what todo with my hands type of situation,
rather than be caught there.
Like I can bring onpeople and interview them.
And now it's me having a conversation,not me just talking to a camera or a lens.
And so that's kind of whyI wanted to do interview.
Once I actually launched the podcast.
(03:33):
I realize how amazing of a platform it isto have conversations with amazing people.
Like I'm talking to highly successfulpeople that if I didn't have a podcast,
I wouldn't have that opportunity.
So it became less about metrying to build a podcast and
have a space for my audience.
Like that's a big part of it, butnow it's also like the relationships
(03:55):
and the connections that I'mbuilding from having a podcast have
been just absolutely phenomenal.
Danny (04:00):
Has the experience.
You just said that video you'reuncomfortable being in front of the
screen, you get the sort of stage right.
Of your like has experiencedfrom the audio version.
Is that, so it perhaps made youthink of revisiting video for
Nick (04:12):
the.
Oh, absolutely.
Um, I actually, so from the verybeginning, because I'm very, very much
thinking about the content side of things.
So right from the beginning,when I started the show, I
actually was recording videos.
I've published very fewvideos from my show.
I've published some, there's acouple on YouTube and a couple on
(04:34):
Instagram that I've shared, but Ijust knew that I wanted that content.
I don't want to get a hundred episodesin and then realize, you know what, I
want to start incorporating video now.
And then be like, well, I could havehad a hundred episodes worth of content
to share, and now I got nothing.
So I did actually startrecording the videos.
I just haven't published thema lot, but it definitely has.
(04:54):
Built my confidence up a lot to whereI'm getting more into kind of the
talking head videos and tutorial-basedvideos and that type of thing.
Um, I'm still dabbling with it stilltrying to figure out the process because
that's a whole nother beast in termsof editing and all that, but it's
definitely boosted my confidence a lot,and I feel a lot more comfortable doing
(05:16):
that type of content, which has beena huge benefit to start in the shows.
Danny (05:21):
And I can imagine, obviously we have the way, I guess, podcast
charts or interviews like this haveevolved over the last two years.
We COVID and in face inperson versus remote.
Like we record them.
Does that make it easier as well?
You think being, in-person having acamera on you, as opposed to maybe two
people chatting, like we are with cameras,what, what you feel would be easier?
Nick (05:44):
You know, I, I have never actually interviewed anybody in person because
when I started it was right in themiddle of COVID I've always thought it'd
be awesome to do in-person interviews.
And kinda be able to, I don't know, morelike hanging out with a buddy, you can do
the same thing on zoom, but it's, I dunno,there's a different feeling in person,
I guess when you're hanging out withsomeone versus zoom calling with somebody.
(06:07):
Um, but I do really appreciatethese platforms that are coming
up like this boom caster thatwe're recording on right now.
And I use Riverside for my show.
It's it's giving me an opportunityand giving all podcasters an
opportunity to interview people,regardless of where they're at in the.
And I think that's super cool because I'veinterviewed people that are from the UK,
(06:28):
Switzerland, India, like I've interviewedpeople from all over the world.
And if it was just an in-person interviewshow likely I wouldn't be able to get
those guests on the show because eitherthey're not gonna be able to come to me
or I'm not gonna be able to go to them.
So it's, it's definitely open.
Like a new level ofopportunity in the podcasting
Danny (06:46):
space.
And it's interesting, you mentionedthat one of my guests I had on a
last season, I think it was, shementioned that one of her all-time
heroes was an entrepreneur from Londonthat lived in Sydney, Australia.
So there was no wayshe's in San Francisco.
There's no way she could ever reallyget out to interview her, but she
was up at 40 and one morning and theywere chatting via Riverside, fallen
(07:06):
off, uh, and talk him, you know, andthat was her guests for that show.
So it's I think to yourpoint, it's definitely.
A lot easier and more effectivefor podcasters to become more
involved on the chat side.
Nick (07:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
I, I just can't speak to that enoughbecause it's, I don't know to me, like
I started out blogging, like that'skinda how I was taking people along
on my journey was through bloggingand it was so incredibly difficult.
To get interviews with people like,Hey, can I interview you for a blog
article that I'm trying to write?
(07:41):
Doesn't sound that appealing.
Most people might just ignore you, orit's like pulling teeth to try to get
someone to talk to you about that kind ofstuff or talk on your articles, I guess.
But then as soon as I had a podcast,you can reach out to people and
like, oh, you have a podcast thatmust mean you have an audience.
You have a platform for me to speak on.
I can be present and.
(08:01):
That's why I think is so cool is becauseanybody can get any guests within reason.
Obviously, if it's probably going tohave a hard time getting Joe Rogan on
your podcast, but you can pretty muchreach anybody in the world through
social media and what have you.
And if you have a podcast, youalready have something to offer them.
You have that platform to speak.
Danny (08:21):
And it's funny how that mindset works.
Uh, I used to blog, uh, years ago,uh, like yourself and I found that
people didn't want to guest blog,but once a podcast came along, it's
a different conversation altogether.
Nick (08:33):
Yeah.
And I dunno to me writing it.
It's so it's so time-consuming forone, but it was always frustrating.
'cause I'd, I'd sit down to writeand I could speak everything that
I wanted to write in probably ahalf hour, but it would take me
three hours to get this all down onpaper, but, and I can articulate it.
(08:54):
I feel like a lot better justtalking like on a podcast.
So I think it caters more towards people'slike natural, like ability to communicate.
I know, it's, it's often times harder tocommunicate in writing, or are you talking
about like text messaging back and forth?
It becomes very difficult to communicatein text when you don't have like
(09:14):
the feedback of the person you'respeaking to, or you can kind of
gauge how the conversation is going.
So to me, it's a lot morecomfortable experience.
It's just like, it's almost more natural
Danny (09:27):
and, and speaking to natural, and obviously your, your guests that
you have on your various ad guests, uh,across different mediums, if you like
an episode of your show had CALSEIArehome uh, and she was sharing her
journey from going from a full-timeemployed mental health counselor
to look into open her own practice.
And one of the things that shespoke about was imposter syndrome.
(09:47):
And that, that seems to come up alot, um, with entrepreneurs, I find.
Not believe in or not feeling you'requalified or not as good as the next
person, if you like, do you find thatit's like a particularly synonymous
trait of entrepreneurs or contentcreators in general perhaps are?
Nick (10:05):
Yeah.
I, I definitely think a good majority,if not all entrepreneurs and content
creators have that feeling ofimposter syndrome at some point.
And I don't know necessarily whatit takes to kind of get beyond that.
Or if you ever do get beyond it,maybe it's just varying levels
of when or how you experience it.
(10:28):
But I think when you dive into somethingnew, You would like automatically
we have this instinct of like,especially something where you're
like on a stage, like podcasting orYouTube, or actually going on stage,
like you're in front of an audience.
Like all these thoughts startgoing through your head.
Like, well, what if theythink I don't sound smart?
Or what if they don'tagree with what I'm saying?
Or like all these thoughts start runningthrough your head to basically put
(10:50):
yourself down and you look at all theseother people that are out there crushing
it, doing what you want to be doing.
And you're like, well, how amI supposed to be like that?
Like Danny's got a podcastalready and he's crushing it.
Like if I get into a pocket, I'm not goingto create a podcast as good as Danny.
So why, why would I do that?
(11:10):
And it kind of, we, it's easy to kindof talk ourselves down because of that.
When to me it's somethingthat I battled with as well.
Like I said, getting in front of thevideo was terrifying to me because I
wasn't happy with quality, the content Ifelt like, well, other people are doing
better content and it held me back.
But I soon realized that a lot ofthe things that we are critical of
(11:33):
ourselves on no one will even notice.
And.
One of the biggest things that I kind ofhad to overcome with the podcast is like,
okay, well, people are going to hear this.
If I don't sound intelligent, whyare they going to listen to me?
And it's a common thought, but.
I think we all think that like right whenwe launched a podcast where like, kind
(11:54):
of psyching ourselves out, that there'sgoing to be like a million listeners on
day one and everyone's going to hear it.
And everyone's going to belike, oh my gosh, I can't
believe you did that podcast.
That was terrible.
And after you actually launchedthe podcast, it's like, dang it.
I need to get more listeners.
How do I get more listeners?
I can't get any listeners.
So it's, it's weird that we kindof psych ourselves out of something
that's like not realistic at the time.
(12:16):
You know what I mean?
Danny (12:17):
Yeah.
And it always reminds me, um, that,that three is like, if you're a public
speaker, for example, and you're nervousabout going up on stage and you're told,
well, just picture the audience naked orin their underwear and you'll be fine.
But then you think, well, yeah, butthe majority of them are going to look
about it than I do in my underwear.
And I've got even more issues andproblems with, it's always something
like you said, that that puts us off.
(12:38):
I feel, especially for podcastsas a few, we get so caught up
in the, behind the scenes stuff.
Uh, the tech that's needed.
Tell us notice I had the downloadsto market and all that stuff, as
opposed to getting our ideas out thereand Nan Caney grown it from there.
Nick (12:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's something like, so I don'thave a huge audience by any means, but.
I have listeners that will contactme and get in touch with me and
give me feedback on the episode.
And some of them, like they do tune inevery single week and they're like, oh
my gosh, like this episode was so gold.
Like I was taking notes the entire time.
(13:14):
This episode was going like that feelingof even just getting the feedback and
like helping one person feel so cool.
You're like, wow.
My content did have an impact.
Even if it was one person or 10 peopleor a million people, like your content
that you're creating can have an impact.
And likely if you're not finding likegrowth in the show, you're just not
(13:38):
in front of the right people yet.
But eventually the right people aregoing to find you and they're going to
want the content that you have to share.
And
Danny (13:45):
that ties me to a question about task actually, Bo uh, another
guest, um, Alex San Philipo, um,who's, he's the founder of a couple of
tech issue, uh, tech platforms, but Iknow a pod much, um, is one of them.
And he was speaking in that episodeabout focusing on problems before ideas.
That as podcasters, we're probablyguilty of this a lot, which was just
(14:05):
mentioned where we have a great idea.
We launched a new show, but thenwonder why the listeners on that.
And, and often it's because we didn't havea problem to answer with the show before
launching now, obviously with your showand your topic and your guests, you have
what the problem is for your listeners andyou and your guests can bring the solution
with the conversations and the examplesthat your guests share is launching.
(14:28):
Or this is.
Doing something before you have asolution for the problems, that's
something that you've been gelling often.
And how did you change that mindset?
Nick (14:37):
Oh, absolutely.
I still do that.
I get so excited and I think thisis really common too, with people
who are starting their own business.
You get so excited about it, youget excited about launching, coming
out with it, where you just startpushing it out and you don't take
time to really think about it.
And I actually just went throughthis a couple months ago.
(14:59):
Um, I'm in the process of launchingan e-commerce business right now.
And.
I had this idea.
I didn't really do a whole lot ofresearch, like just enough to kind
of know what I wanted to do and juststarted going like gung ho right at it.
And after I had pretty much the entirewebsite built, I have product, I have
inventory sitting in my room right now.
(15:21):
I realized that.
There were other competitors in the spacethat I would be overshadowed by greatly.
And I had to kind of rethink my messagingand my branding and my actual target
audience throughout this whole business.
Like the, the products that I'm selling.
Can still be sold that I didn'tlose money on the inventory,
like buying that upfront.
(15:42):
But I had to spend the last couple ofmonths actually reshaping what that
business model is actually going to looklike, who I'm going to be targeting,
how I'm going to actually message,like, get my message out to them.
And.
It sent me back quite a bit.
I'm still, I think within thenext month or two, I should
be launched and ready to go.
But I had planned to have this thinglaunch back last August and had
(16:05):
I just done the research upfront.
I would have saved myself awhole lot of time of going and
redoing everything basically.
Danny (16:12):
And do you think that's, cause obviously you'd mentioned that you're
still, I think you're still fully employedat the moment and this is something
you're aiming towards to be full-time.
Yeah, that is correct.
So do you feel that maybe the, um, likeobviously, as you mentioned, as the
research had been, that it would have,would have been a lot quicker for sure.
(16:33):
But do you find that obviously youyou're kind of limited as well because
there's only so many hours that youcurrently have on a day to try get
the stuff you need to do to moveto this entrepreneurial lifestyle.
Nick (16:45):
Yeah, I think that definitely plays a factor in it, for sure.
Um, I know it's, it's never easyto be working a nine to five job.
Well, also trying to build something onthe side, like I said, there's a, like you
said, there's only so many hours in theday, so how do you kind of divvy that up?
The big thing is really trying tofocus on the things that matter.
(17:08):
And this is something I'm guilty of too.
I get caught up in the little things, likekind of more of the busy work, like the
social media marketing and like that kindof stuff where I don't spend enough time
on say, editing my podcasts or buildingout the website on my e-commerce business.
Like there's so many factors that.
(17:30):
Can help push me along and get me therefaster, but I kind of get sidetracked and
derailed by some of these little thingsthat really don't matter right now.
So I think that the biggest thingto try to overcome that as really
pinpoint, like, what can I do right now?
That's going to get me one step closerto my goal, whether that's leaving the
nine to five or just creating additionalincome for yourself, like, what is
(17:52):
the one thing I can do right now?
That's going to get me one stepcloser or have an impact on that.
And I, I
Danny (17:59):
know I I've heard from a lot of entrepreneurs that mentioned.
That you need at least say six to sevenrevenue streams to make everything because
if one goes away, then you're stillcovered by the other six, for example.
But if you get that these differentrevenue streams in these different,
um, opportunities that can help thatprocess as well, where you can afford.
(18:19):
To take the time away and step awayfrom the 95 and build up what you're
trying to build is is that somethingyou're aiming towards as well with
the e-commerce and the podcasts andanything else that you may have going on?
Nick (18:30):
Yeah, that's my goal is to try to be as diversified as possible.
That is manageable.
Um, but I also realize thatit's not something that I
can completely do on my own.
Right now with where I'm at.
I know I have to kind of struggle bymyself for right now until I get to a
good point where I can start outsourcingor hiring and bringing in more.
(18:56):
Um, but I know to get to the pointthat I want to be at and have multiple
businesses and multiple revenuestreams coming in, I'm going to
have to bring in some kind of help.
And I know it's going to be a, a toughthing to do what I've been doing.
Everything myself for so long.
Um, like kind of preparing myself andhyping myself up for that moment, because
(19:16):
I know I'm going to have a hard timejust like handing something over to
somebody, but it is essential if youwant to really grow and expand, because
you can only do so much as one person.
Danny (19:28):
Exactly.
And I think, um, I mean, as a podcastthat you know yourself, we, we do a lot
of this stuff ourselves on the backend.
So editing record and researchand marketing, et cetera.
To grow, even though you don't reallywant it handed off that there comes
a point where you're going to haveto hand it off to say, okay, this
person's bachelor, that margin than Iam, or this person's a quicker editor
and a more effective editor than I am.
(19:50):
And I think Lacy, you don'twant to hand it off, but at some
stage you do realize that has
Nick (19:56):
to be the next step.
I actually, I interviewed,I think it was max board.
This.
On my show.
And we were kind of talking about that,like the hiring people, bringing them into
your business to kind of like eliminateyourself from the job or the business.
And as soon as he was able to hirehelp, he hired part-time help.
(20:17):
And as soon as he could afford tohire them full time, he hired him.
Full-time and every stepof the growth process.
When he bring in more money, he'dhire someone to do whatever he's
currently working on, but knows itcan do a better just like what you
were saying, bringing in someone whocan do a better job than you can.
So he's like social media is not my thing.
(20:38):
So what I do, I hired a socialmedia manager because they
crush it on social media.
They love doing social media and they'regoing to do a way better job than I can,
especially when I'm spread across howevermany other things that I'm focused.
And he just kept slowly firing himselfas the way he put it from his own
positions in his business until hisbusiness is fully self-sustaining
(20:59):
right now without him even being there.
Danny (21:02):
No, it was pretty cool.
And yeah, that's, that's.
Aware that I'd love toRealty to go that route.
For sure.
I know your podcast, it covers severaltopics, but that I'll all the guests,
for example, are connected to each othervia entrepreneurship and a story behind
their goals or what they've done so far.
And I was curious, do youhave a particular fear?
(21:24):
And to your gas, to, or even thetopic that the guest spoke about.
And if he did, I don't want to putyou on the spot and say, all the
other guests want as good as this one.
That's not, not whatI'm trying to say there.
Um, but do you have a particularflavor and if so, why that
particular interview or charter?
Nick (21:38):
Yeah.
Th there are a couple that come to mind.
Um, one of them was.
I think it's episode 36and it was with pat Flynn.
I'm not sure if you'refamiliar with pat or not.
Um, that was.
Just from like a personal standpoint, likethat was such a, an amazing experience
(22:01):
because I've looked up to pat for, Idon't know how many years and kind of
going back to what we were talking aboutbefore, like the podcasting being a
way to open up doors and opportunitiesthat otherwise wouldn't be there.
I never would have been able tointerview pat had I not had a podcast.
And six months after I had launchedthe show, I had pat on my show and it
was like such a surreal experience.
(22:23):
Cause I've watched his videos,I've listened to his podcasts.
And when he called into the, the likeRiverside chat and he showed up, there
was like, holy cow, like, this is real.
Like he's actually sitting in frontof me to talk to me right now.
Um, but then I guess in termsof like content, like obviously.
Enjoy the interview.
We covered some great topics on that,but just recently I had an interview.
(22:47):
His name is Ken Atard andhe is a mindset coach.
And that episode just absolutelyblew me away the way that he.
Was talking about our minds and howwe think and how the way we think
is actually limiting ourselves to ainsane degree was so fascinating to me.
(23:10):
And he actually brought up, hesaid, I think it was like 95% of
the thoughts you have today werethe same thoughts you had yesterday.
So, if you are having bad thoughts ornegative thoughts, or you feel down
on yourself because you're strugglingand you just can't seem to figure it
out, if you're having those thoughtstoday, chances are, you're going to
(23:32):
have those thoughts again, tomorrow.
If you have those thoughts again,tomorrow, you're going to have them the
next day and so on and so on and so on.
So we really got into like, talkingabout how to retrain your brain in
your mind, to focus and make things.
It's not all bad.
Yes.
You encounter some struggles, but you haveto focus on the good and retrain yourself
(23:55):
to become more aware of the good thingsthat are happening around you and not get
so consumed by the negative that episode.
Like I left that interview and I waslike, holy cow, like that was, I need
to sit for a second and just think aboutthat because it just completely blew
my mind, but he was completely right.
Danny (24:11):
I'll have to listen to that one.
That signs as somewhat, I listened to apodcast by Jim quick, um, and read some of
his books and it, he talks about a similarthing where that the main set is all
about the results or can they have a hugeeffect on the results you're trying to
achieve versus what your actual achieve.
And so that sounds like a D and I cantell just by listening to your reaction
(24:31):
there, you know, after that, so it soundslike a really fascinating, absolutely.
Nick (24:36):
Yeah, it was, I was pretty blown away.
I did not expect it to go that way.
And it, it went that way.
Danny (24:43):
No, obviously you're still a pretty young guy.
Um, but you've already led a fairlybusy life and continue to do so.
Um, I know that you mentioned that youtravel with your wife, family and your two
Shiba Inu dogs as a tool and as a chaotic.
Yep.
Kaia nailed it all.
I thought about a check and was excited.
Hey, get a name strong, especiallyfor, you know, our four babies.
(25:05):
Um, so with the, the, the travelingthat you do and with the, the
adventures of your life and the.
How you switch off andyou take that experience.
What impact has this hadaround your thinking on what
a successful life looks like?
Cause obviously you mentioned there'sthe corporate side and everybody thinks
about the nine to five corporate and whatsuccess looks like, but it looks like
(25:28):
you've got a very definite vision forwhat success should look like for you and
your family up your wife and the dogs.
Nick (25:37):
Yeah, the, um, this is, I always liked this question because it's battle
success is different for everybody.
So what success looks like for memight look completely different for
you or for any of the listeners here.
And to me, I was always turned off bythe fact that a nine to five job you
kind of, you don't have any control.
(26:01):
You, you can't determine howmuch you're going to make.
That's figured out for you.
You can negotiate obviously,but there's pretty much a limit
on what you can do your time.
So if you want to take vacationor you just want to take an
extended weekend or whatever, likethat's all got to get approved.
Like you have no control over what youdo, how much you make when you do it.
(26:22):
And that just completely turnedme off to the whole nine to five
mindset or the nine to five path.
And for, so for me,success is being able to.
Focus on things that Iwant to be focusing on.
So like the podcast, Iabsolutely love the podcast.
I love getting on interviews, talkingwith people, the editing I can probably
(26:44):
do without that would probably besomething that ended up outsourcing, but
that's something that I can see myself.
I'm putting time and effort intosomething that I'm building of my own.
I'm not building someoneelse's dream essentially.
And then having the freedomof time to be able to.
Go where I want.
When I want, if I want to record onthe road, I can record on the road.
(27:08):
If I want to be at home in my office, Ican be at home in my office, but I'm not.
Being told like you are going to sit inyour office from Monday through Friday,
eight hours a day at minimum, and thenyou can enjoy the rest of your weekend.
So to me, it's the, thefreedom and the control.
If I can get that, thatto me would be success.
Danny (27:29):
And I, I liked the way you prefaced that as well, that it's different for
everybody, because some people do reallyenjoy having the security of you like of
the know that there's something for them.
Nine to five, Monday, Friday, andthey're going to get paid for it.
It's a, it's a very differentapproach for entrepreneurs, obviously.
So I, I liked the fact thatyou prefaced that there can be
(27:51):
depending on what your vision
Nick (27:53):
of success looks like.
Yeah.
And like, I never, I, every time I kind ofget on a particular, I get fired up about
the whole leaving the nine to five thing.
So I always have to like, kindof dial it back and be like, if
you are working a nine to fiveand you truly enjoy what you do.
You're golden.
You have the security you'redoing what you love to do.
(28:14):
And like, why change that?
For me, it was a little different becauseI was doing the nine to five, like,
yes, it was giving me the financialfreedom that I was, that I'm looking for.
But at the same time, it, it took awaysomething that was very important to me.
And that was my time.
And it's not doing somethingthat I'm super passionate about.
So.
(28:35):
If I'd say, if you can find somethingthat you're passionate about and
it's in a nine to five setting, likemore power to you, like you got it
nailed down, you got to figure it out.
If you can't figure that out or findthat in the nine five setting, then
maybe taking a look at what you can doin the entrepreneur space or what you
can build yourself is a better route for.
Danny (28:54):
And that brings me to my next question actually, which, um, you're sure,
obviously it's been around for two anda half years now and it offers so many
different examples of what can be done.
You know, if you do want to step away fromthe nine to five and, and do something
that you're passionate about that you'vebeen thinking about, but haven't quite
got round to it yet, for whatever reason.
(29:15):
After two and a half years.
And obviously you've dabbledwith video a little bit, but it's
primarily audio at the moment.
I was wondering what your goals are forthe future of the nine five podcasts.
What's what's next for the show?
Nick (29:26):
Um, as far as the show goes, um, I definitely obviously want
to grow a larger audience with it.
I want to attract more people and beable to help more people with the show.
That's kind of the firstand foremost deal, I guess.
I really want to be able to reachmore people is kinda my, my hope and
(29:49):
wish for the show, because I havegotten feedback from several people
that get a lot of value from it.
And I don't think I'm doing enough onthe marketing side to get it in front
of new eyeballs and guest podcastingis actually going to be one of the big
things that I focus on in 2022 in gettingin front of more audiences, talking more
(30:09):
about my experiences and the stories.
Great information that the guestson my show have been sharing,
just because I think there's a lotof great information out there.
And there's a lot of amazing stories andwe're all used to hearing the headlines.
We're used to hearing the Jeff Bezosor Elon Musk made another billion
(30:29):
dollars or whatever, but you don't hearabout the, the silent entrepreneurs
that are making a killing and livingthe life that they want to make.
And like just no one talksabout them because they're not.
A big name like that, but they are livingthe exact life that I want to live.
And I want to show people thatit's not just the big names.
(30:50):
It's not just the headlines.
Like those, aren't the onlypeople that can be happy and live
a life that they want to live.
You just have to knowwhere to look, I guess.
So my, my goal is in 2022,not only to monetize.
Not even the show.
I don't even think I making moneyfrom the show was a big aspiration.
(31:11):
If it comes, it comes butmonetizing my business as a whole.
And then just getting my stories, myepisodes, and my interviews out there
to more people I think is my biggest.
Danny (31:23):
So Nick, I really appreciate a chat this afternoon and I, I could easily
sit here for another 40 minutes an hour.
Maybe we'll have to have a, likea revisit halfway into next year.
Seeing how your, your plans for 20to 2022 have gone for anybody that
wants to check out the podcast orconnect with you online, where's
the best place for them to find.
Yeah,
Nick (31:42):
absolutely.
Uh, first off, thanks foragain for bringing me on.
I have been enjoying this so much for,for anybody listening to the show right
now, make sure you go give Danny a fivestar review, give podcast or stories.
A five star review.
It means a lot, and it goes a long way.
Absolutely.
Um, if you want to get in contact withme or listen to some of the episodes
(32:04):
that I have out, you can find me onTwitter or Instagram at nine, five free
is the handle and it's all spelled out.
So it gets kind of funny.
So it's N I N E F I V E F R E E.
And then if you want to actuallygo to the website where I have all
of the episodes of the podcast, youcan go to nine, five podcast.com.
(32:27):
And once again, that's all spelled out.
Danny (32:29):
And for anybody that's listening to this on a favorite podcast app,
I'll be sure to drop the links overto next website and social channels.
And I have the show notes.
So if you listen on your podcast addictor whatever you use to listen, make
sure to check out the show notes asalways, and all the links will be there.
So again, Nick, I real Flieschertainted and sharing your story and
looking forward to seeing where you gonext year with the name five podcast.
Nick (32:51):
Absolutely, man, thank you so much for having me on it's.
It's been a blast.
If you are working a nine to five and you truly enjoy what you do,
you're golden, you have the securityyou're doing what you love to do.
And like, why change that?
For me, it was a little different becauseI was doing a nine to five, like, yes,
it was giving me the financial freedomthat I was, that I'm looking for.
(00:20):
But at the same time, it, ittook away something that was very
important to me in that was my.
And it's not doing somethingthat I'm super passionate about.
So if I'd say, if you can find somethingthat you're passionate about and
it's in a nine to five setting, likemore power to you, like you got it
nailed down, you got to figure it out.
Yeah.
You can't figure that out or find thatin the nine five setting, then maybe
(00:43):
taking a look at what you can do in theentrepreneur space or what you can build
yourself is a better route for you.
Danny (00:50):
This week I'm talking with Nick Nalbach, host of the Nine-Five Podcast,
a show that shares entrepreneurialstories to help you start, build
and grow your own online business.
Nick I really appreciate you being here.
I know we've come back and forth a coupleof times trying to make this happen.
So really appreciate you being here.
How about you, uh, tell us a bitabout yourself and your podcast.
Nick (01:09):
Absolutely first off, Danny.
Thanks for bringing me on.
I'm super excited to betalking here with you today.
Um, then I find podcasts kind ofcame out as a way for me to interview
entrepreneurs, find out what theirjourney was like transitioning out
of a nine to five job into theirown business that they built.
And I guess the whole premise behind why Idid that was because I kind of wanted to.
(01:36):
Escape the nine to five formyself for one, but I want to
take people along on that journey.
And before I decided that I wantedto go down that entrepreneurial route
and do the podcast and do all thesedifferent things, I didn't really
think that it was something I could do.
I always thought I was.
Dedicated to people like Elon Musk,Jeff Bezos, and like all those
guys that like way at the top.
(01:56):
And I was like, well, I can't,I'm not going to be Jeff Bezos.
Like, who am I?
Like, I'm going to stickin a nine to five job.
And I actually read a book that completelychanged my mindset on the whole thing.
And.
Since then I was like, holy cow, likethere's gotta be other people that are in
a similar situation where they're like, Idon't feel comfortable in my nine to five.
I can't see myself doingthis for however many years.
(02:18):
And I don't know whetheroptions there are so.
By them coming along on the journey,listening to the podcast, guests that
I bring on the show, hearing theirstories of the jobs they used to work
to what they're doing now, kind of showspeople that there are other things out
there and kind of gives them examplesof different businesses that they
might be able to create themselves.
And we really focus on the backhalf of our episode, like stretch
(02:40):
strategy, tactical type stuff, toanybody who wants to start their
business or continue growing.
It can get some value out of
Danny (02:46):
that.
And how have things evolvedsince that first episode?
Nick (02:50):
Yeah.
So actually, when I decidedto do the podcast, I wasn't
actually going to do a podcast.
I kind of just started doing it.
Um, I actually wanted to getinto video content and the
video content scared me so bad.
Like getting into video,just freaked me out and.
(03:11):
I thought.
Okay, well, rather than me talkingin front of a camera that awkward,
like, I don't really know what todo with my hands type of situation,
rather than be caught there.
Like I can bring onpeople and interview them.
And now it's me having a conversation,not me just talking to a camera or a lens.
And so that's kind of whyI wanted to do interview.
Once I actually launched the podcast.
(03:33):
I realize how amazing of a platform it isto have conversations with amazing people.
Like I'm talking to highly successfulpeople that if I didn't have a podcast,
I wouldn't have that opportunity.
So it became less about metrying to build a podcast and
have a space for my audience.
Like that's a big part of it, butnow it's also like the relationships
(03:55):
and the connections that I'mbuilding from having a podcast have
been just absolutely phenomenal.
Danny (04:00):
Has the experience.
You just said that video you'reuncomfortable being in front of the
screen, you get the sort of stage right.
Of your like has experiencedfrom the audio version.
Is that, so it perhaps made youthink of revisiting video for
Nick (04:12):
the.
Oh, absolutely.
Um, I actually, so from the verybeginning, because I'm very, very much
thinking about the content side of things.
So right from the beginning,when I started the show, I
actually was recording videos.
I've published very fewvideos from my show.
I've published some, there's acouple on YouTube and a couple on
(04:34):
Instagram that I've shared, but Ijust knew that I wanted that content.
I don't want to get a hundred episodesin and then realize, you know what, I
want to start incorporating video now.
And then be like, well, I could havehad a hundred episodes worth of content
to share, and now I got nothing.
So I did actually startrecording the videos.
I just haven't published thema lot, but it definitely has.
(04:54):
Built my confidence up a lot to whereI'm getting more into kind of the
talking head videos and tutorial-basedvideos and that type of thing.
Um, I'm still dabbling with it stilltrying to figure out the process because
that's a whole nother beast in termsof editing and all that, but it's
definitely boosted my confidence a lot,and I feel a lot more comfortable doing
(05:16):
that type of content, which has beena huge benefit to start in the shows.
Danny (05:21):
And I can imagine, obviously we have the way, I guess, podcast
charts or interviews like this haveevolved over the last two years.
We COVID and in face inperson versus remote.
Like we record them.
Does that make it easier as well?
You think being, in-person having acamera on you, as opposed to maybe two
people chatting, like we are with cameras,what, what you feel would be easier?
Nick (05:44):
You know, I, I have never actually interviewed anybody in person because
when I started it was right in themiddle of COVID I've always thought it'd
be awesome to do in-person interviews.
And kinda be able to, I don't know, morelike hanging out with a buddy, you can do
the same thing on zoom, but it's, I dunno,there's a different feeling in person,
I guess when you're hanging out withsomeone versus zoom calling with somebody.
(06:07):
Um, but I do really appreciatethese platforms that are coming
up like this boom caster thatwe're recording on right now.
And I use Riverside for my show.
It's it's giving me an opportunityand giving all podcasters an
opportunity to interview people,regardless of where they're at in the.
And I think that's super cool because I'veinterviewed people that are from the UK,
(06:28):
Switzerland, India, like I've interviewedpeople from all over the world.
And if it was just an in-person interviewshow likely I wouldn't be able to get
those guests on the show because eitherthey're not gonna be able to come to me
or I'm not gonna be able to go to them.
So it's, it's definitely open.
Like a new level ofopportunity in the podcasting
Danny (06:46):
space.
And it's interesting, you mentionedthat one of my guests I had on a
last season, I think it was, shementioned that one of her all-time
heroes was an entrepreneur from Londonthat lived in Sydney, Australia.
So there was no wayshe's in San Francisco.
There's no way she could ever reallyget out to interview her, but she
was up at 40 and one morning and theywere chatting via Riverside, fallen
(07:06):
off, uh, and talk him, you know, andthat was her guests for that show.
So it's I think to yourpoint, it's definitely.
A lot easier and more effectivefor podcasters to become more
involved on the chat side.
Nick (07:19):
Yeah, absolutely.
I, I just can't speak to that enoughbecause it's, I don't know to me, like
I started out blogging, like that'skinda how I was taking people along
on my journey was through bloggingand it was so incredibly difficult.
To get interviews with people like,Hey, can I interview you for a blog
article that I'm trying to write?
(07:41):
Doesn't sound that appealing.
Most people might just ignore you, orit's like pulling teeth to try to get
someone to talk to you about that kind ofstuff or talk on your articles, I guess.
But then as soon as I had a podcast,you can reach out to people and
like, oh, you have a podcast thatmust mean you have an audience.
You have a platform for me to speak on.
I can be present and.
(08:01):
That's why I think is so cool is becauseanybody can get any guests within reason.
Obviously, if it's probably going tohave a hard time getting Joe Rogan on
your podcast, but you can pretty muchreach anybody in the world through
social media and what have you.
And if you have a podcast, youalready have something to offer them.
You have that platform to speak.
Danny (08:21):
And it's funny how that mindset works.
Uh, I used to blog, uh, years ago,uh, like yourself and I found that
people didn't want to guest blog,but once a podcast came along, it's
a different conversation altogether.
Nick (08:33):
Yeah.
And I dunno to me writing it.
It's so it's so time-consuming forone, but it was always frustrating.
'cause I'd, I'd sit down to writeand I could speak everything that
I wanted to write in probably ahalf hour, but it would take me
three hours to get this all down onpaper, but, and I can articulate it.
(08:54):
I feel like a lot better justtalking like on a podcast.
So I think it caters more towards people'slike natural, like ability to communicate.
I know, it's, it's often times harder tocommunicate in writing, or are you talking
about like text messaging back and forth?
It becomes very difficult to communicatein text when you don't have like
(09:14):
the feedback of the person you'respeaking to, or you can kind of
gauge how the conversation is going.
So to me, it's a lot morecomfortable experience.
It's just like, it's almost more natural
Danny (09:27):
and, and speaking to natural, and obviously your, your guests that
you have on your various ad guests, uh,across different mediums, if you like
an episode of your show had CALSEIArehome uh, and she was sharing her
journey from going from a full-timeemployed mental health counselor
to look into open her own practice.
And one of the things that shespoke about was imposter syndrome.
(09:47):
And that, that seems to come up alot, um, with entrepreneurs, I find.
Not believe in or not feeling you'requalified or not as good as the next
person, if you like, do you find thatit's like a particularly synonymous
trait of entrepreneurs or contentcreators in general perhaps are?
Nick (10:05):
Yeah.
I, I definitely think a good majority,if not all entrepreneurs and content
creators have that feeling ofimposter syndrome at some point.
And I don't know necessarily whatit takes to kind of get beyond that.
Or if you ever do get beyond it,maybe it's just varying levels
of when or how you experience it.
(10:28):
But I think when you dive into somethingnew, You would like automatically
we have this instinct of like,especially something where you're
like on a stage, like podcasting orYouTube, or actually going on stage,
like you're in front of an audience.
Like all these thoughts startgoing through your head.
Like, well, what if theythink I don't sound smart?
Or what if they don'tagree with what I'm saying?
Or like all these thoughts start runningthrough your head to basically put
(10:50):
yourself down and you look at all theseother people that are out there crushing
it, doing what you want to be doing.
And you're like, well, how amI supposed to be like that?
Like Danny's got a podcastalready and he's crushing it.
Like if I get into a pocket, I'm not goingto create a podcast as good as Danny.
So why, why would I do that?
(11:10):
And it kind of, we, it's easy to kindof talk ourselves down because of that.
When to me it's somethingthat I battled with as well.
Like I said, getting in front of thevideo was terrifying to me because I
wasn't happy with quality, the content Ifelt like, well, other people are doing
better content and it held me back.
But I soon realized that a lot ofthe things that we are critical of
(11:33):
ourselves on no one will even notice.
And.
One of the biggest things that I kind ofhad to overcome with the podcast is like,
okay, well, people are going to hear this.
If I don't sound intelligent, whyare they going to listen to me?
And it's a common thought, but.
I think we all think that like right whenwe launched a podcast where like, kind
(11:54):
of psyching ourselves out, that there'sgoing to be like a million listeners on
day one and everyone's going to hear it.
And everyone's going to belike, oh my gosh, I can't
believe you did that podcast.
That was terrible.
And after you actually launchedthe podcast, it's like, dang it.
I need to get more listeners.
How do I get more listeners?
I can't get any listeners.
So it's, it's weird that we kindof psych ourselves out of something
that's like not realistic at the time.
(12:16):
You know what I mean?
Danny (12:17):
Yeah.
And it always reminds me, um, that,that three is like, if you're a public
speaker, for example, and you're nervousabout going up on stage and you're told,
well, just picture the audience naked orin their underwear and you'll be fine.
But then you think, well, yeah, butthe majority of them are going to look
about it than I do in my underwear.
And I've got even more issues andproblems with, it's always something
like you said, that that puts us off.
(12:38):
I feel, especially for podcastsas a few, we get so caught up
in the, behind the scenes stuff.
Uh, the tech that's needed.
Tell us notice I had the downloadsto market and all that stuff, as
opposed to getting our ideas out thereand Nan Caney grown it from there.
Nick (12:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's something like, so I don'thave a huge audience by any means, but.
I have listeners that will contactme and get in touch with me and
give me feedback on the episode.
And some of them, like they do tune inevery single week and they're like, oh
my gosh, like this episode was so gold.
Like I was taking notes the entire time.
(13:14):
This episode was going like that feelingof even just getting the feedback and
like helping one person feel so cool.
You're like, wow.
My content did have an impact.
Even if it was one person or 10 peopleor a million people, like your content
that you're creating can have an impact.
And likely if you're not finding likegrowth in the show, you're just not
(13:38):
in front of the right people yet.
But eventually the right people aregoing to find you and they're going to
want the content that you have to share.
And
Danny (13:45):
that ties me to a question about task actually, Bo uh, another
guest, um, Alex San Philipo, um,who's, he's the founder of a couple of
tech issue, uh, tech platforms, but Iknow a pod much, um, is one of them.
And he was speaking in that episodeabout focusing on problems before ideas.
That as podcasters, we're probablyguilty of this a lot, which was just
(14:05):
mentioned where we have a great idea.
We launched a new show, but thenwonder why the listeners on that.
And, and often it's because we didn't havea problem to answer with the show before
launching now, obviously with your showand your topic and your guests, you have
what the problem is for your listeners andyou and your guests can bring the solution
with the conversations and the examplesthat your guests share is launching.
(14:28):
Or this is.
Doing something before you have asolution for the problems, that's
something that you've been gelling often.
And how did you change that mindset?
Nick (14:37):
Oh, absolutely.
I still do that.
I get so excited and I think thisis really common too, with people
who are starting their own business.
You get so excited about it, youget excited about launching, coming
out with it, where you just startpushing it out and you don't take
time to really think about it.
And I actually just went throughthis a couple months ago.
(14:59):
Um, I'm in the process of launchingan e-commerce business right now.
And.
I had this idea.
I didn't really do a whole lot ofresearch, like just enough to kind
of know what I wanted to do and juststarted going like gung ho right at it.
And after I had pretty much the entirewebsite built, I have product, I have
inventory sitting in my room right now.
(15:21):
I realized that.
There were other competitors in the spacethat I would be overshadowed by greatly.
And I had to kind of rethink my messagingand my branding and my actual target
audience throughout this whole business.
Like the, the products that I'm selling.
Can still be sold that I didn'tlose money on the inventory,
like buying that upfront.
(15:42):
But I had to spend the last couple ofmonths actually reshaping what that
business model is actually going to looklike, who I'm going to be targeting,
how I'm going to actually message,like, get my message out to them.
And.
It sent me back quite a bit.
I'm still, I think within thenext month or two, I should
be launched and ready to go.
But I had planned to have this thinglaunch back last August and had
(16:05):
I just done the research upfront.
I would have saved myself awhole lot of time of going and
redoing everything basically.
Danny (16:12):
And do you think that's, cause obviously you'd mentioned that you're
still, I think you're still fully employedat the moment and this is something
you're aiming towards to be full-time.
Yeah, that is correct.
So do you feel that maybe the, um, likeobviously, as you mentioned, as the
research had been, that it would have,would have been a lot quicker for sure.
(16:33):
But do you find that obviously youyou're kind of limited as well because
there's only so many hours that youcurrently have on a day to try get
the stuff you need to do to moveto this entrepreneurial lifestyle.
Nick (16:45):
Yeah, I think that definitely plays a factor in it, for sure.
Um, I know it's, it's never easyto be working a nine to five job.
Well, also trying to build something onthe side, like I said, there's a, like you
said, there's only so many hours in theday, so how do you kind of divvy that up?
The big thing is really trying tofocus on the things that matter.
(17:08):
And this is something I'm guilty of too.
I get caught up in the little things, likekind of more of the busy work, like the
social media marketing and like that kindof stuff where I don't spend enough time
on say, editing my podcasts or buildingout the website on my e-commerce business.
Like there's so many factors that.
(17:30):
Can help push me along and get me therefaster, but I kind of get sidetracked and
derailed by some of these little thingsthat really don't matter right now.
So I think that the biggest thingto try to overcome that as really
pinpoint, like, what can I do right now?
That's going to get me one step closerto my goal, whether that's leaving the
nine to five or just creating additionalincome for yourself, like, what is
(17:52):
the one thing I can do right now?
That's going to get me one stepcloser or have an impact on that.
And I, I
Danny (17:59):
know I I've heard from a lot of entrepreneurs that mentioned.
That you need at least say six to sevenrevenue streams to make everything because
if one goes away, then you're stillcovered by the other six, for example.
But if you get that these differentrevenue streams in these different,
um, opportunities that can help thatprocess as well, where you can afford.
(18:19):
To take the time away and step awayfrom the 95 and build up what you're
trying to build is is that somethingyou're aiming towards as well with
the e-commerce and the podcasts andanything else that you may have going on?
Nick (18:30):
Yeah, that's my goal is to try to be as diversified as possible.
That is manageable.
Um, but I also realize thatit's not something that I
can completely do on my own.
Right now with where I'm at.
I know I have to kind of struggle bymyself for right now until I get to a
good point where I can start outsourcingor hiring and bringing in more.
(18:56):
Um, but I know to get to the pointthat I want to be at and have multiple
businesses and multiple revenuestreams coming in, I'm going to
have to bring in some kind of help.
And I know it's going to be a, a toughthing to do what I've been doing.
Everything myself for so long.
Um, like kind of preparing myself andhyping myself up for that moment, because
(19:16):
I know I'm going to have a hard timejust like handing something over to
somebody, but it is essential if youwant to really grow and expand, because
you can only do so much as one person.
Danny (19:28):
Exactly.
And I think, um, I mean, as a podcastthat you know yourself, we, we do a lot
of this stuff ourselves on the backend.
So editing record and researchand marketing, et cetera.
To grow, even though you don't reallywant it handed off that there comes
a point where you're going to haveto hand it off to say, okay, this
person's bachelor, that margin than Iam, or this person's a quicker editor
and a more effective editor than I am.
(19:50):
And I think Lacy, you don'twant to hand it off, but at some
stage you do realize that has
Nick (19:56):
to be the next step.
I actually, I interviewed,I think it was max board.
This.
On my show.
And we were kind of talking about that,like the hiring people, bringing them into
your business to kind of like eliminateyourself from the job or the business.
And as soon as he was able to hirehelp, he hired part-time help.
(20:17):
And as soon as he could afford tohire them full time, he hired him.
Full-time and every stepof the growth process.
When he bring in more money, he'dhire someone to do whatever he's
currently working on, but knows itcan do a better just like what you
were saying, bringing in someone whocan do a better job than you can.
So he's like social media is not my thing.
(20:38):
So what I do, I hired a socialmedia manager because they
crush it on social media.
They love doing social media and they'regoing to do a way better job than I can,
especially when I'm spread across howevermany other things that I'm focused.
And he just kept slowly firing himselfas the way he put it from his own
positions in his business until hisbusiness is fully self-sustaining
(20:59):
right now without him even being there.
Danny (21:02):
No, it was pretty cool.
And yeah, that's, that's.
Aware that I'd love toRealty to go that route.
For sure.
I know your podcast, it covers severaltopics, but that I'll all the guests,
for example, are connected to each othervia entrepreneurship and a story behind
their goals or what they've done so far.
And I was curious, do youhave a particular fear?
(21:24):
And to your gas, to, or even thetopic that the guest spoke about.
And if he did, I don't want to putyou on the spot and say, all the
other guests want as good as this one.
That's not, not whatI'm trying to say there.
Um, but do you have a particularflavor and if so, why that
particular interview or charter?
Nick (21:38):
Yeah.
Th there are a couple that come to mind.
Um, one of them was.
I think it's episode 36and it was with pat Flynn.
I'm not sure if you'refamiliar with pat or not.
Um, that was.
Just from like a personal standpoint, likethat was such a, an amazing experience
(22:01):
because I've looked up to pat for, Idon't know how many years and kind of
going back to what we were talking aboutbefore, like the podcasting being a
way to open up doors and opportunitiesthat otherwise wouldn't be there.
I never would have been able tointerview pat had I not had a podcast.
And six months after I had launchedthe show, I had pat on my show and it
was like such a surreal experience.
(22:23):
Cause I've watched his videos,I've listened to his podcasts.
And when he called into the, the likeRiverside chat and he showed up, there
was like, holy cow, like, this is real.
Like he's actually sitting in frontof me to talk to me right now.
Um, but then I guess in termsof like content, like obviously.
Enjoy the interview.
We covered some great topics on that,but just recently I had an interview.
(22:47):
His name is Ken Atard andhe is a mindset coach.
And that episode just absolutelyblew me away the way that he.
Was talking about our minds and howwe think and how the way we think
is actually limiting ourselves to ainsane degree was so fascinating to me.
(23:10):
And he actually brought up, hesaid, I think it was like 95% of
the thoughts you have today werethe same thoughts you had yesterday.
So, if you are having bad thoughts ornegative thoughts, or you feel down
on yourself because you're strugglingand you just can't seem to figure it
out, if you're having those thoughtstoday, chances are, you're going to
(23:32):
have those thoughts again, tomorrow.
If you have those thoughts again,tomorrow, you're going to have them the
next day and so on and so on and so on.
So we really got into like, talkingabout how to retrain your brain in
your mind, to focus and make things.
It's not all bad.
Yes.
You encounter some struggles, but you haveto focus on the good and retrain yourself
(23:55):
to become more aware of the good thingsthat are happening around you and not get
so consumed by the negative that episode.
Like I left that interview and I waslike, holy cow, like that was, I need
to sit for a second and just think aboutthat because it just completely blew
my mind, but he was completely right.
Danny (24:11):
I'll have to listen to that one.
That signs as somewhat, I listened to apodcast by Jim quick, um, and read some of
his books and it, he talks about a similarthing where that the main set is all
about the results or can they have a hugeeffect on the results you're trying to
achieve versus what your actual achieve.
And so that sounds like a D and I cantell just by listening to your reaction
(24:31):
there, you know, after that, so it soundslike a really fascinating, absolutely.
Nick (24:36):
Yeah, it was, I was pretty blown away.
I did not expect it to go that way.
And it, it went that way.
Danny (24:43):
No, obviously you're still a pretty young guy.
Um, but you've already led a fairlybusy life and continue to do so.
Um, I know that you mentioned that youtravel with your wife, family and your two
Shiba Inu dogs as a tool and as a chaotic.
Yep.
Kaia nailed it all.
I thought about a check and was excited.
Hey, get a name strong, especiallyfor, you know, our four babies.
(25:05):
Um, so with the, the, the travelingthat you do and with the, the
adventures of your life and the.
How you switch off andyou take that experience.
What impact has this hadaround your thinking on what
a successful life looks like?
Cause obviously you mentioned there'sthe corporate side and everybody thinks
about the nine to five corporate and whatsuccess looks like, but it looks like
(25:28):
you've got a very definite vision forwhat success should look like for you and
your family up your wife and the dogs.
Nick (25:37):
Yeah, the, um, this is, I always liked this question because it's battle
success is different for everybody.
So what success looks like for memight look completely different for
you or for any of the listeners here.
And to me, I was always turned off bythe fact that a nine to five job you
kind of, you don't have any control.
(26:01):
You, you can't determine howmuch you're going to make.
That's figured out for you.
You can negotiate obviously,but there's pretty much a limit
on what you can do your time.
So if you want to take vacationor you just want to take an
extended weekend or whatever, likethat's all got to get approved.
Like you have no control over what youdo, how much you make when you do it.
(26:22):
And that just completely turnedme off to the whole nine to five
mindset or the nine to five path.
And for, so for me,success is being able to.
Focus on things that Iwant to be focusing on.
So like the podcast, Iabsolutely love the podcast.
I love getting on interviews, talkingwith people, the editing I can probably
(26:44):
do without that would probably besomething that ended up outsourcing, but
that's something that I can see myself.
I'm putting time and effort intosomething that I'm building of my own.
I'm not building someoneelse's dream essentially.
And then having the freedomof time to be able to.
Go where I want.
When I want, if I want to record onthe road, I can record on the road.
(27:08):
If I want to be at home in my office, Ican be at home in my office, but I'm not.
Being told like you are going to sit inyour office from Monday through Friday,
eight hours a day at minimum, and thenyou can enjoy the rest of your weekend.
So to me, it's the, thefreedom and the control.
If I can get that, thatto me would be success.
Danny (27:29):
And I, I liked the way you prefaced that as well, that it's different for
everybody, because some people do reallyenjoy having the security of you like of
the know that there's something for them.
Nine to five, Monday, Friday, andthey're going to get paid for it.
It's a, it's a very differentapproach for entrepreneurs, obviously.
So I, I liked the fact thatyou prefaced that there can be
(27:51):
depending on what your vision
Nick (27:53):
of success looks like.
Yeah.
And like, I never, I, every time I kind ofget on a particular, I get fired up about
the whole leaving the nine to five thing.
So I always have to like, kindof dial it back and be like, if
you are working a nine to fiveand you truly enjoy what you do.
You're golden.
You have the security you'redoing what you love to do.
(28:14):
And like, why change that?
For me, it was a little different becauseI was doing the nine to five, like,
yes, it was giving me the financialfreedom that I was, that I'm looking for.
But at the same time, it, it took awaysomething that was very important to me.
And that was my time.
And it's not doing somethingthat I'm super passionate about.
So.
(28:35):
If I'd say, if you can find somethingthat you're passionate about and
it's in a nine to five setting, likemore power to you, like you got it
nailed down, you got to figure it out.
If you can't figure that out or findthat in the nine five setting, then
maybe taking a look at what you can doin the entrepreneur space or what you
can build yourself is a better route for.
Danny (28:54):
And that brings me to my next question actually, which, um, you're sure,
obviously it's been around for two anda half years now and it offers so many
different examples of what can be done.
You know, if you do want to step away fromthe nine to five and, and do something
that you're passionate about that you'vebeen thinking about, but haven't quite
got round to it yet, for whatever reason.
(29:15):
After two and a half years.
And obviously you've dabbledwith video a little bit, but it's
primarily audio at the moment.
I was wondering what your goals are forthe future of the nine five podcasts.
What's what's next for the show?
Nick (29:26):
Um, as far as the show goes, um, I definitely obviously want
to grow a larger audience with it.
I want to attract more people and beable to help more people with the show.
That's kind of the firstand foremost deal, I guess.
I really want to be able to reachmore people is kinda my, my hope and
(29:49):
wish for the show, because I havegotten feedback from several people
that get a lot of value from it.
And I don't think I'm doing enough onthe marketing side to get it in front
of new eyeballs and guest podcastingis actually going to be one of the big
things that I focus on in 2022 in gettingin front of more audiences, talking more
(30:09):
about my experiences and the stories.
Great information that the guestson my show have been sharing,
just because I think there's a lotof great information out there.
And there's a lot of amazing stories andwe're all used to hearing the headlines.
We're used to hearing the Jeff Bezosor Elon Musk made another billion
(30:29):
dollars or whatever, but you don't hearabout the, the silent entrepreneurs
that are making a killing and livingthe life that they want to make.
And like just no one talksabout them because they're not.
A big name like that, but they are livingthe exact life that I want to live.
And I want to show people thatit's not just the big names.
(30:50):
It's not just the headlines.
Like those, aren't the onlypeople that can be happy and live
a life that they want to live.
You just have to knowwhere to look, I guess.
So my, my goal is in 2022,not only to monetize.
Not even the show.
I don't even think I making moneyfrom the show was a big aspiration.
(31:11):
If it comes, it comes butmonetizing my business as a whole.
And then just getting my stories, myepisodes, and my interviews out there
to more people I think is my biggest.
Danny (31:23):
So Nick, I really appreciate a chat this afternoon and I, I could easily
sit here for another 40 minutes an hour.
Maybe we'll have to have a, likea revisit halfway into next year.
Seeing how your, your plans for 20to 2022 have gone for anybody that
wants to check out the podcast orconnect with you online, where's
the best place for them to find.
Yeah,
Nick (31:42):
absolutely.
Uh, first off, thanks foragain for bringing me on.
I have been enjoying this so much for,for anybody listening to the show right
now, make sure you go give Danny a fivestar review, give podcast or stories.
A five star review.
It means a lot, and it goes a long way.
Absolutely.
Um, if you want to get in contact withme or listen to some of the episodes
(32:04):
that I have out, you can find me onTwitter or Instagram at nine, five free
is the handle and it's all spelled out.
So it gets kind of funny.
So it's N I N E F I V E F R E E.
And then if you want to actuallygo to the website where I have all
of the episodes of the podcast, youcan go to nine, five podcast.com.
(32:27):
And once again, that's all spelled out.
Danny (32:29):
And for anybody that's listening to this on a favorite podcast app,
I'll be sure to drop the links overto next website and social channels.
And I have the show notes.
So if you listen on your podcast addictor whatever you use to listen, make
sure to check out the show notes asalways, and all the links will be there.
So again, Nick, I real Flieschertainted and sharing your story and
looking forward to seeing where you gonext year with the name five podcast.
Nick (32:51):
Absolutely, man, thank you so much for having me on it's.
It's been a blast.
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