November 30, 2025 • 38 mins
Jordan turns 21 today?!?! 😭 Where did the time go?!?
We're so incredibly proud of the beautiful and caring man he's become - but it's no surprise really... He's always been that way, he's just...a bigger version now! 😂
In this episode, we're looking back on his memories of meeting Nickelback as a toddler, how he "negotiated" a price UP at a garage sale, our old "J Days" we'd spend together, why he's studying Ancient History at uni, his thoughts on AI, and where he sees the future of this crazy world going.
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With Rabbit, I'm Rabbit. I record this podcast inside a
cute little retro caravan from 1967 that I've tore.
Around. All over the Place fan podcast
with Rabbit. A special episode today because
it's my son Jordan's 21st birthday today.
Not today, not today, but futuretoday as we record this, it's
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not his birthday on the day it comes out, it is his birthday
right And right, Sure, like justexplaining it to you.
Yeah, I wasn't sure. We've had to come in and record
inside the house. I think this is the first of the
pod van podcast episodes that has not been recorded in the
van. I think you did one with Tiana
in the house once, Did I? I think so.
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Did I do a recording with you inside the house once?
That seems she's ignorious. So I thought could be fun is to
try and record a podcast episodein the OK, here she comes.
All right, come on then. All right, hype up.
OK, so we're inside the lounge at home because it's 32° outside
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right now and Jordan didn't put the air con on before we
started. There was a wasp inside.
I had to let it out. I had to open all the doors.
You had one job and then along comes Harley Doggerson.
That was her on the mic just then.
I don't know if I woke up. Oh, no, you can't.
No, listen, you can't be in my lap.
Well, hey, hey, Dad's working. OK.
Please take your pour off the iPad.
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Oh. My God am I.
Expected to get any work done inthe face of such cuteness.
And see why you don't record these inside the house.
All right, dogs lying down. So we're going to run through
some. We're basically just going to
run through Jordan's last 21 years and going to give your
thoughts on you cut on your forehead.
I do have a cut on my forehead. That's a cat, isn't it?
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No, it looks like cat work. What do you reckon, Harley?
Yeah, cat work. Not cat work.
What? It's my girlfriend.
Fire out, man. It's quite funny.
I'm driving her home. Yesterday I came to her work to
surprise her. She didn't know I was coming
over. And she scratched your face as
you. Scratched my face.
Don't surprise her again. I picked her up from work.
She was very appreciative. But then she said, oh, actually
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I've got a present for you. So as soon as we get back to the
house, gonna have to close your eyes, you know, don't come in
for a minute. Both of us forgot that she had
said that and get there. And she opens the door and she
goes. She spins around and puts her
hands on my face, but she's holding the key to the door
still. Oh.
You got keys. I got keys.
Oh, this is what they say when there's like, creepy dudes
around. You put the keys in your fist.
Like one key stick out through your knuckles.
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Well, that's what she gets. Straight to the forehead.
Yeah, Bled it bled a lot. Did it?
Wow man, I didn't see the present though so.
Well, it's because of all the blood is running down your face.
You couldn't see through it. Yeah.
What is your earliest memory? My earliest memory I remember at
the early learning centre that Iwent to in Adelaide, I remember
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playing on the play mats with like Hot Wheels and things and
they had like the map of the town laid out on a oh I.
Love those. Yeah, the big mats on the floor,
yeah. With the cars, yeah.
Same with the other kids. So how old?
About four, I reckon, my first one.
Is my 5th birthday. I think I remember earlier than
that because I would have been at the eel.
Smarter. No, I would have.
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Been my brain was. Developing because I would have
been four. I think I was.
I was 5 in school. Yeah, it's just because I'm
younger. But I see on my 5th birthday I
got the option to have one last day at Kendi or go to primary
school. That's not how it works here,
right? You don't go on your 5th
birthday? No, you go the next year.
At the start of the year, you can decide or do you want to
wait for next year or do you want to start this year?
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So I mean, yeah, I think, I think so.
At least I think you can choose.What are some of your biggest
obsessions or interests from growing up that have stuck with
you through to today? Actually, no.
Just go the obsessions when you were younger first 'cause
they're funny. So I was talking to someone the
other day and he said something about lightning.
Oh, I asked him about his phone.I said is that USBC or
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lightning? And he goes lightning and I went
and it just gave me a weird look.
Latin McQueen. He did know what I was talking
about. I just had to explain it a bit.
First param. It's a bit crazy.
Not everyone's brains work the same way, no.
So cars? What, you were upset with cars?
Movie cars. Yes, I had a massive not even
poster like a wall. We went to the movies one time.
Yeah, it was from one of the cinemas then I had a good
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relationship with and they used to have.
Do they still have those? Yeah, some Blaze or movies.
Cut out you can get a photo withsort of thing.
Yeah, a 3D stick out thing. So they had this massive one for
a Cars movie. It wasn't the first one.
It was. Cars two it was the.
Flying one, yeah. Playing cars, yeah.
And had this massive display. And so I asked them if I could
have it after the movie was doneand carted the whole thing.
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It was massive and it filled theentire wall.
It was. Half my room, it was just it's
cars to display from the 3D thing.
Yeah, I remember that. That was pretty cool.
I got some very cool bedrooms I'll have you know.
I did. I had bunk bed.
I never shared a bunk bed with anyone else, but I had a bunk
bed style. Good point, I didn't.
Need a bunk bed? We had a desk on the bottom
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half. I think I wanted to sleep up on
the top of a bunk bed, but I wasn't going to share a room
with Tiana. Yeah, So I had a desk on the
bottom half and then I slept in the top half and it was themed
like a castle with a big shield on it and everything.
That was great. That was one of the coolest.
Puffle shield. A Puffle shield from Club
Penguin. Club Penguin.
That's right. Build.
The whole thing. Most of my cool beds fully
constructed by dad, for better and for worse.
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What are you talking about? You had the red racing car bed.
Yep, that was pretty. Cool, Mom would just come home
and find me in the garage with abunch of sheets of MDF.
What are you doing? I'm building a castle bunk bed
for Jordan. It's going to have a desk built
into the end of it, and I put a car stereo, but with a screen on
it. In the car bed, didn't you?
Yeah, in the car bed. And then that also made his way
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into the castle bed as well, so you could sit in the downstairs
one which had an arch to go go through as well.
It did. I'll put up a photo online of
this bed. Look, it's pretty epic.
It's pretty good. But when you sat inside that,
you can actually watch DVDs. Wow.
On this tiny car stereo screen. The car stereo built into the
car bed was pretty cool. Yeah, that was pretty awesome.
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You listen to the radio on it. That was a bit of a flashback
too, when Mum met me and I had ablack leather water bed with a
stereo in the headboard. I know, I know.
Yeah. Like, it's a podcast that people
don't need to be able to see your face.
No, they're all doing the same one.
Yeah. I believe that's called Ill Ill.
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It's a good bed. One of the obsessions was Club
Penguin. That's why you had the Club
Penguin Puffle. Say Club Penguin themed birthday
party at one point. Yeah, really good.
Ben 10 and 10. That was, yeah, when I was much
younger, Yeah. That was a big one.
Do you remember that? Dinosaurs.
I had a huge dinosaurs phase andThe Dinosaur Train the TV show.
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And then do you remember the birthday?
Party the Dinosaur Train birthday.
Dinosaur Train, we actually tookthe, well, it was a tram, well,
the Dinosaur Tram, and we took that from our place to like the
exhibition centre or something in Adelaide where they had this.
Dinosaur exhibition. I can't remember what it was.
That was the thing where they'reall animated, they're all
animatronic ones, and you walk through and the T Rex turns
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around and roars you in that sort of thing.
Yeah, full dinosaur party. One of the things we obsessed
with there's. Too many to.
Nerf guns. Yes.
But that carries on right through to now.
That carries on to today. That's one of the main rotating
things that I could still collect to this day where I'll
go for a a while without thinking about it and they just
sit in the shed for a while. But then I get really back into
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it. I and I collect because I get
bundles sometimes where I want three of the guns that are in it
desperately and then the other 10 I don't care about, but it's
30 bucks. Someone's just clearing out the
garage and I'm like that's worththat one gun.
There is $40 on it's own. Well, let's talk about your
amazing negotiating skills. I don't have a history of good
negotiation. I think I'm a very kind person,
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yeah, that I am more likely to negotiate a price away from me
and offer to pay more. Which is exactly what happened
the first time. It was garage sale trail and we
turned up to someone's garage sale and I had Nerf guns.
I was like, you know, 10 bucks it was.
And then Jordan goes, how about 15 second like you're buying it
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was you don't. It was already a bargain.
You knew it was worth more, thatwas.
More. So he offered more.
Ohh man so funny those things that just happened like once.
It's like my sister, she gets attacked by a lion once and
she's known as Cub Tucker forever.
That's pretty memorable to be. I never been attacked by a lion.
Yeah, well, that's why we don't call you Cub, Tucker.
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That'd be a strange nickname. That would be very that same as
Cody back in school. You scratch your head one time
in class. You just don't live things down,
no? So there's you with your reverse
negotiating skills. And now every time, every time
Jordan goes to buy something like this will end up costing
him more than what they want to charge him.
I've been tears about that forever.
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And you will be. Yeah, To be fair, there is
probably more times that I've haggled the price up that I have
done spot. On actually, do you have
recommendations of books for people because Jordan is a
voracious reader that's. The right word.
Yeah, That's great. Thanks.
Devours books used to, not so much these days now, but man as
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a. Kid.
We couldn't believe we had to move towns just because he'd,
like, finished a library. That's right.
Like so much. Yeah.
It wasn't nothing to do with my job.
It was just you kept running outof books.
I got it. So I used to do all the
premier's reading challenges. I have some of the gold medals
from that still. Yeah.
And yeah, I was a library monitor in primary school.
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Yeah, I went through that library like.
After we always said right from the start, you're going to be an
author and the things that you would write when you were like 8
years old and reading the stuff going, there's no way.
I'm like, that's AI. And then I realized AI didn't
exist. And I thought it was even weird
that I was saying it because it's essentially I invented AII.
Don't know about. That I'm pretty sure that's
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what's going to come out of this.
Yeah. Name of the episode is actually
the day Jordan discovered his dad invented AI.
It's not, it's. About whatever I make it about.
You're going to edit it. You can decide exactly what I
say. You're not even in this.
That's just going to be me sitting on the couch talking to
Harlow. Episodes give the people what
they want. Yeah, but authors and book
series that they have to read because with my audience, they
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may look, they may be older and have maybe even their kids have
kids. It could be for the grandkids.
So it could be. So let's go real young first.
Real young. Yeah.
Beast Quest. I so wow.
Do you remember that? When I was a lot younger, I used
to love these books. There were these tiny little
books that were just like a short story and they had the
same main character and they're set in the same world, but it
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was just like a new beast every week sort of thing.
There's hundreds of them. There's like 200 books in that
series. East Quest, Yes.
Hey, what was the book series that Tiana was really into?
And I was trying to get all the numbers of them.
So the fairy. No, no, Haiti.
What was the book series you were massively into?
And I was trying to get all of them.
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Tiana reads a lot at the moment to be fair.
No, she. Buys a lot of books, she doesn't
read them. True, she just buys them.
What was the book series maybe five years ago or something like
that? Does it ring a bell?
There's some. You think in Rainbow Fairy?
Yeah, well, there's like a million different fairies and
they were all different books. Is that the one?
Yeah, no, no, it's a girl, EJ12.Yes, I'm familiar, yeah.
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Secret agent, 12 year old girl. Yeah.
Emily Jane. Yeah.
And then there was Rangers apprentice.
Oh. Great books.
You know, Sarah likes those two.Really.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
She loved them. And have you told her you met
John Flanagan? I think she has too.
Oh, yeah, yes. It's not that I'd find.
I think he's just hanging down, man.
Manly shops will be. Saw him.
No, he yeah, there's a great, great books, The Rangers
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Apprentice and all the spin off series and everything.
Yeah, most of them. All right then, for adults?
That's the question. I honestly just read a lot of
young adult fiction. Anything that I love is in that
sort of range. But what's the one that's
another series and maybe got made into a movie?
Mortal Engines. Yeah, Mortal Engines.
I was going to say, that's one of my favorite books of all
time. Wait, what's that other one?
Disc. Discworld Discworld Love the
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Discworld series. That's a good recommendation
that's any age because it's just, yeah, timeless, really
good. There's about 40 books in it and
they, yeah, they're all connected, but you don't need to
read them in order. They're all kind of isolated
stories. Do you have any memories of our
J days? I do, very vaguely.
So J Day was when I would take Jordan and just be him and I and
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we'd just go and do all just Jordan stuff.
And then we had tea days as well.
Jordan wasn't invited so. No.
But the J days and T days were quite different.
Mutually exclusive. Yeah, less fingernail painting
and shopping at like La Visa, whatever that cheap jewelry
place. Yeah, no, my, my J days.
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I vividly remember the beach house I think it's called.
Yeah. In Adelaide.
Yeah, Adelaide. Don't know if that's still
around. It's possibly a fortune.
I love to go there. That's one of those like arcade
places. You're like, that was great.
That was great fun because. I was trying to remember the
other day what we used to do on J days.
Go and get ice cream. He is always like a yoga yoga
Berry or something. Yeah, I just one-on-one time
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hanging out together was good times.
You know, mum would do all the stuff at home, like keeping the
entire house running, doing absolutely everything for you,
keeping you alive and all that and then fund added role and
every now and then then go let'sdo a day day it's.
Like, yeah, yeah, Yep, yeah. So it goes.
Still does. You mentioned your themed
birthday parties with the pufflecake.
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Let's see how many you can remember.
You had a themed cake every year.
Yeah, so we have Dinosaur Train,we have the dinosaur themed
birthday and Dinosaur Train party.
Okay, Yep, we had Club Penguin. That was a puffle cake.
Do you remember that yellow puffle?
Do you remember that? Yes, I'm trying to go off cakes
now. What was I really into?
Gosh. I'm picturing an Elmo cake.
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Elmo. You know what that would have
been for Motley Young? There was like there was, I
think there was a Thomas the Tank Engine 10.
I I did one for you, a race track one.
It was around cars time, like a banked NASCAR racetrack.
Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, man, I'm going to be in so
much trouble if I didn't make that cake.
You know what I'm going to do? Look it up.
I will do a photo search for December 1st.
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December 1st Good idea. My birthday every year and there
will be cakes galore. OK, when were you born?
2004 OH. God, that far back.
OK, well this is you being born so.
Makes sense that did. Yep, that is of December.
That was on that day that was onthe same day as your birthday
answers Yeah wow what a quickie thing what was your party for
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that one your birthday? I don't think we threw a party.
All right, so 1st birthday partycake was it's a train.
That's Thomas. I think that's Thomas.
You were quite into Thomas the Tank Engine at age 1, and you
had a Ripper train set. Oh, look at this one.
That's a hedgehog cake. Oh.
I remember that. I don't know if that was the
theme of the whole birthday, butthat.
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'D be a weird theme for a birthday party.
I'm having a hedgehog. Themed cake.
It's got these chocolate fingerssticking out of a big rear.
And what are they called? Chocolate thins.
OK, this isn't because there's Tiana there and she didn't come
along for a while, so there's clearly a few missing ears.
Yeah, which is weird because as I was putting together a video
for your 21st birthday party, wediscovered that I have over
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11,000 photos of Jordan. So many while you're sleeping as
well. That's not true, I hope.
Oh okay, well here we go. Is the Puffle picture a yellow?
Volleyball with eyes. Just a yellow puff ball.
Yellow puff ball. Yeah, and you have them as pets.
And I think it's really funny because they don't have arms or
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legs. They're just a ball that bounces
around. But you got to feed them.
You got to raise them. Oh yeah.
Look at this one. I'd completely forgotten about
this one. Archery.
An archery cake we. Had an archery themed birthday?
Yes. Do you recall that?
I love archery. I can't believe I had a birthday
around it. That's right, Do.
You remember when you couldn't hit the side of a barn?
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A good problem, yeah. That's the funniest video.
I'm filming Jordan as he goes toshoot an arrow at AI.
Don't know where that was. We're away somewhere shooting an
arrow at a target and it just went flying off the site.
But it didn't hit the target andhit the steel like barn behind
it and it made the biggest pipe pain noise.
And you know, as every good dad should do in a moment like that,
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I burst out laughing. The wind, can I just say.
Yeah, OK. Crazy.
It's incredible. You can't remember all your
cakes, but you remember the weather conditions on one
particular day. Because I remember the joke was
everyone was laughing in the heads off at the fact that I hit
a barn. I'm glad you brought other
people into this because I'm pretty sure that was just me.
What's going on here? That's just a very plain sponge
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cake. We don't do that sort of gear.
How to tell you I? Guess.
I guess 2016 was when we stopped.
Here. Trying.
Yeah. There.
Especially coming into recent years, I actually don't like
cake. So yeah, we reached this
problem. I didn't think you ever really
did. No, I don't know.
I don't think I ever did. I don't.
What are these guys? Monster Hunter Monster.
Monster Hunter 2018. I'm an OG, I'll tell you what
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because that was right after like the first modern Monster
Hunter game came. And you are mad on Monster
Hunter on the Xbox and every other device and these are
cupcakes with Monster Hunter toppers which I.
Think answers on Kyla did probably. 2018 there.
Ohh wow, now we've just gone to straight fancy cupcakes from
Cakes by Kyla. Yep, that's what those are.
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And that's December 1st, 2022. Where's my NASCAR?
Track that I specifically made that you crafted yourself.
You know when I crafted it 5 minutes ago in my brain I think.
Have you been to Gwendoline Bowling Club?
They're right there on the shores of Lake Macquarie.
They do delicious meals upstairsin the Four Shore Bistro and
(18:01):
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They got the cute little 4 shorekiosk for a coffee and snacks
right by the jetty. The entertainment's top notch.
They got Friday night seafood raffles and Sunday sessions with
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(18:46):
she's hired a goat but to clear some lands and she wanted to
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You're sitting here in a Smith'sT-shirt.
Yep. And you are mad about music,
gaming and music. Yep, quite the cliche. 21 year
old if we say about the one thing that you've never ever
done and have no interest in having a drink.
True. No alcohol no for the 1st 21
years. And for the next 21 too.
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Really. Where does that come from?
I don't, no. Because we don't drink.
No, we don't really drink. Much but I did in the family,
but yeah. Mom did.
And my friends certainly do. Oh yeah, they do.
Looking at you, Liam. I somehow picked one of the most
alcohol heavy frame groups. No, I don't know.
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I just, I don't like the idea ofnot being in control.
Yeah, 100% of my own body. So yeah, I've never had a drink.
I never will. Amazing.
I'm pretty stoked about that. Yeah.
Yeah, the other kid, that one's a concern.
I don't know. She's had a good example.
Why so into music? It's a big question.
It just really gets to me. I think any sort of media,
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shows, books, whatever, that just reaches something in your
heart where you're like, oh, I feel that.
And I think music does that so easily for me.
There's 50 albums that can do that for me that just make me
like, Oh my God, I feel that much more than I do.
Really feel those things you, you're very connected and.
My favorite books are the ones that make me cry every time I
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read them. Music's not always like that,
but there is a lot of music thatcan make me cry.
A lot of albums I'd like just because of how emotional.
Yeah, Mötley Crüe did that for me.
As well, it doesn't have to be emotional deep sad music.
It can be just like guitar rock heavy and the nothing emotional
about it at all. And it's still, I don't know,
it's still resonate with you. Yeah, I get it.
Yeah. Totally get it and you play in a
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band I do love same time as well.
Play the drums, I play the bass,and that's a big part of it too,
I think, having a connection with instruments.
And that's been from a really early age as well.
We were always pumping out musicaround the house and I've always
been massively into rock mostly,but you got to meet a few bands
through all of that as well. When I was very young, I don't
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remember any of this. I have no memories of any of
but. You've seen photos.
I've seen photos, apparently I got to come along to special
events and gigs and backstage with these crazy cute Why are
you? Saying it is that this tone.
Because I don't remember any of it.
And then by the time I was old enough to be hugely into music
and wanting to meet all these artists you did when you were
four. Yeah.
Well, I, yeah. Yeah, but that's funny because
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there was one just recently thatI don't even remember.
And it's a band that, like, you were into for ages and I never
brought up with you that you'd met them because I didn't know
until I saw a photo recently of you with the script.
Yeah. No, I do remember that 1 I loved
the script when I was growing up.
That was mean. I reckon that was your first,
like, real big, fully into that Falling to Pieces song that was.
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Yeah. Break even.
Yeah. And you had dinner with
Nickelback. He was doing an interview with
them or for something or. Yeah, backstage at a concert.
It was dinner time and they said, hey, do you want to go out
and grab dinner? Well, it was all just backstage
at the thing. Yep, we all sat there and had
dinner with Nickelback. They gave you some drumsticks,
some guitar, they go. As I am now a drummer of eight
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years or something like that, I've never seen those sticks.
Yeah, they disappeared along theway, I'm sure.
And then. Oh, yeah.
And I remember saying to Chad Kroeger, the singer of
Nickelback, that, you know well,so bear in mind you got AI think
you were three, maybe at 3 point.
Yeah. So you got a three-year old in
the audience. So let's just watch the
language. And yeah, first thing they do,
they come out on the stage. Hey, your mother.
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I'm like jazz. I've got my kid here.
What's your dream concert and where you'd like to see it?
To be honest, I feel like the best answer I could come up with
have actually already. Seen yeah that's pretty insane I
the. Strokes in New York, I saw them
a few years ago. 2 plus years ago my mom.
Two's a couple, a few is 3. OK, well a couple of years ago
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have. I taught you nothing.
Yeah, as I go, Mum and I flew toNew York City to see a couple of
bands, and at the time I was pretty into The Strokes.
I was getting really into them. But they weren't.
I wouldn't have said they were my favorite band in the world.
And now they are my favorite band in the world by far.
And who else did you see? So you saw them and Queen to the
Stone Age? That's right.
And Jason Mraz and Jason Mraz was on in between the two.
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I don't think we even got tickets before we went there.
But then I realised he was playing like around the corner.
I pride myself on being able to find like awesome accommodation
looking around online and and that one there that was.
Pretty insane. So that was.
What was the name of the? It was like a Colosseum or
something. Yeah.
It's Forest Hills Stadium. Forest Hills, NY in Queens.
Yeah. And the apartment that we got
(23:52):
was literally across the road from the stadium.
You look out the window and you could see into the stadium.
Crazy. They could you walk across the
street. To get entrance in the Airbnb.
Man BNB in this like Queens attic they've got yeah, they
tight packed houses. There's the three story all of
them and tight as anything sloped roof half the attic.
One of the rooms is sheep, like a triangle.
(24:14):
Oh, right. OK.
When I was sleeping in, yeah, notiny place, but it's 5 minute
walk to the subway and that's yeah to everything gets you
everywhere. New York and the way their
subways go is just amazing. You love New York to new.
York so much. What about travelling?
Do you want to do some? You're not really that.
Fast I I don't know, because Thething is I'd love to see the
world, but I'm I get homesick soquickly.
(24:34):
I'll be like away from home for a week and I'll be like, I just
want to go home. I'm a shower.
I miss my shower. I miss my job.
Yeah. You do.
Yeah, I do. I really do.
You get to a point for that, yeah, a few days in maybe a week
tops, and you just want to be home.
I always get that. That'll slow you down from a six
month trip around a year I. Don't know if I could do that,
but I do want to see more of theworld.
(24:54):
I want to go to Europe. I've never been to Europe.
That's like one of the few continents.
I haven't talked to you. No, no.
You went right before I was born.
Yeah. With Mom.
Why are you studying ancient history at university?
I just love history. In high school I had a few.
I had like 4 amazing history teachers in a It was just a
streak of year 10 history or even it would have been like
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year eight-year 9 history was really good then.
Yeah, 10 history was really good.
At that point I was like, I've got to take history as one of my
electives. I took both histories.
I took ancient and modern. I didn't have a favorite at that
point, but over the two years I studied modern and ancient, I
came to prefer ancient. I performed better and I like it
more. It's more like piercing together
a history. It's more looking at different
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perspectives and accounts and trying to figure out what might
have happened. Whereas a lot of modern history
is you have a lot of facts. You know a lot of what happened,
not 100%, but you know a lot of what actually happened.
And so it's a lot more dates andtimes and facts and figures.
And then ancient is a lot more. This author says there were
10,000 of them. This author says there was 600.
And you just have to try and figure it out.
You just have to try and put together.
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That it was storytelling. I like that telling the first
history teacher, I remember you coming home and just going like
he told stories. It's like he was telling stories
and that's you've been obsessed with books and that forever.
And it's just, I don't know, it's so insane that all of it
happened. You know what I mean?
Like, as I don't know, it's it'slike a reading a book and
knowing that everything that happened in it actually
(26:22):
happened. Yeah.
You know, it sounds insane and far fetched and ridiculous.
And you think, how did one person conquer all of Europe and
Asia? That's insane.
That wouldn't have happened. It did, and then he died and it
fell apart five years later, andso it's just all this insane.
Well, this would be around the Byzantine era.
I was more going for Alexander the Great.
I try, I just try and chip in when Jordan talks about things,
(26:43):
but I just say the same thing every single time and also don't
know how to say it. No, Byzantine is right.
That's one of my favorite Byzantine.
Oh yeah, good unit on that. You know what, as far as errors
go, that's one of my favourites and I was shocked to see that
Taylor Swift didn't. Cover it.
That wasn't in there. As to it, no, I would have
liked. I would think I would have gone
if there was a Byzantine era. Like what other?
(27:05):
Eras could she have covered? Classical Roman could have even
done like the Imperial Roman, Senatorial Roman, the Republic.
She comes down in the toga. Yeah, of.
Course classical Greek. Yeah, go through even the Hathi
and the Akaemanid. The Sasanid do like.
So there's a whole she could do a whole other eras dealer.
I have so much untapped potential there.
Yeah, and then there's there cause errors always to me sounds
(27:28):
like ERRORS and that's a very different.
You just come out. He's just mess up every song.
Yeah, yeah. To expect that could be the name
of this podcast, the Errors Tour.
So. So where is this university
stuff going to take you to that you don't know?
Do you? No, I'd like to do something
with it, hopefully. I'd like to teach history or
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write about it. I still want to be an author, I
still really want to write booksand I don't really know if it's
going to be fiction or non fiction.
Probably I'm leaning towards more non fiction like writing
academia or even writing like that book right there in front
of us, Byzantium by Judith Heron.
It's one of my favorites. I'm making my way through right
now. It's more meant for a general
audience, but it's just like a brief break down of the
(28:10):
Byzantine Empire. So it's actually based on fact,
but it's readable. Yeah.
And that was the thing I realized a while ago was that,
you know, I always pictured you as writing books like The
Rangers Apprentice. Yeah.
But then realizing that you could be a writer of many
things. You can write for ATV show or a
movie, a script, writing, a creative writer, publish papers.
(28:32):
I'd love to publish official academia stuff.
There's another author, Emma Southern, who's fantastic, and
she does real laypers. Like, real.
They're funny, they're engaging,they're entertaining, and
they're just like, flipping different parts of history on
the head, just being like, let'stalk about this one emperor who
every single source says was thenastiest, worst, most evil guy.
What reasons do they have to saythat?
(28:53):
What things were going on at thetime and what can we really tell
but just doing it in a way that's just so funny.
I don't know. Sounds like Drunk History, have
you seen that? Yeah, great stuff.
People get really drunk and thentry and explain parts of
history. That's funny.
Look it up on YouTube. So was something you said then
about you wanting to get into writing with this world of AII?
Remember when I first started playing around with it on air?
(29:15):
And one morning I just went, oh,write me a story, a short story
about a duck that goes down to alemonade stand.
And he says to the man running the stand, no, not about that,
but it will. And you'd read it and go, Oh my
God, that it just did that. And that was the start of AI.
Then you. I do not like AI.
No. Nope, I don't, no.
(29:36):
Not at all. And I like that it takes all
types of people in this world. And me, I couldn't be more AI
based. I'm not even here right now.
I'm actually talking to an AI program mimicking you.
Yeah. And you're off editing.
You're doing other things. Yeah, yeah.
Oh yeah, I'm also. I'm still working, obviously.
Of course, it's not like living my life.
(29:58):
That dog over there, robot. What?
You're not even real. Yeah, this is awesome.
I mean, I don't even need to getinto, unless you want to, why
you don't like AI, But it'd be for all the same reasons that
all people that don't like AI don't like it.
Yeah, I've got mates who are voice over artists and that's
what they've done their whole life and they're very good at
what they do. And the voice over stuff in AI
(30:21):
now is perfect. There's no way you would know,
but it's happened many times through in history.
I'm not sure if you're across history, but Amelia, yeah, I
heard a thing saying about leading into the industrial
revolution. So there were all these farmers
working out in the fields and then suddenly somebody from
starts making. Tractors antiquated serfdom to
(30:43):
like yeah, post industrial it's just every job ceases to exist
and so all. Of those farmers, it's like
they're gonna be out of jobs because now these tractors are
coming through and doing this stuff.
But there were factories that were making the tractors and
they needed people and so all those farmers became labourers
in the factories and worked there.
Everything sort of just adapts and.
(31:05):
It is really interesting to see how how industries change so
much with technology. There's a great book that I've
read a bunch of times. It's called Meet Me in the
Bathroom, and it's about The Strokes and similar bands, New
York, 2001 to 2011. But it also covers sort of the
rise of the band in the late 90sand stuff.
And they talk about in one section about how, like, when
CDs hit the scene, artists were just going, oh, this is it, that
(31:29):
you can't make money anymore in this industry because it was so
easy to burn a CD to just copy apirating online.
Pirate it. Yeah, burn it your own CD,
You've got the album. Who's gonna buy an album
anymore? How does an artist make money
when? Well, we've released this new
album ripped online, pirated, and it's got it.
How do you monetize that? And the industry has changed,
like musically so much in the last couple decades.
(31:51):
But artists can still make money.
It's mostly merchandise and touring and stuff now.
It's totally changed as to. How they make, how they make it
is different, but I mean, you can still be an artist, you can
still release music. We'll see what's great now.
OK, so looking at that and social media and the online
world and all that kind of thing, you've got artists now
that can be out busking on a street corner streaming live on
Instagram and can blow up from that.
(32:13):
They can be putting clips of themselves in their bedrooms
singing songs with the guitar and blow up on TR.
And you didn't have that before.You had to get signed to a
record label pretty much and getpushed out.
And then you do in store signings of your records and CDs
and that and you go to the radiostations and you perform in
there and all that. You don't need to do any of that
(32:34):
anymore. So there's opportunities that
come with it as well. And if you don't sign to a
record label, then you don't cough up 90% of your earnings to
the record label. Billie Eilish blew up from a
song released on SoundCloud. Yeah, that's right.
Straight up. That was all there was no.
Yeah, I remember the interestingthat covenant.
Yeah, yeah. It's just a song that she wrote
with her brother on SoundCloud. Yeah, billions of views.
(32:57):
And now is like one of the top modern artists in the hip hop
scene and also. With the online space, some
people look at it as like if you're a creator, you want to
put things up there, or you say you make music and you want to
put it out there. You can look at that as I'm not
going to get to Billie Eilish sort of status.
And it's so hard and there's so many people putting things out
there, but there's billions of people on the planet.
(33:19):
There's room for everyone. There's an audience for every.
Yeah, totally. And you can find them through
those platforms and things like the AI song generators and
things like that. They can write a really good
song, but I think it's kind of like, I saw a thing where they
programmed these two robots to play chess against each other.
(33:39):
They were like perfect. They were the smartest quantum
computers playing chess against each other, and no one watched
it because there's no human aspects to it.
Yeah, it's like sport will nevergo away.
No, you're not such. A human thing.
It's not about being the fastestthat it can physically be in
terms of you could make a robot run faster, it's who cares.
(34:02):
Exactly. You could have, you know, you go
along to an NRL game and they'reactually like robots out there.
People just wouldn't care. There's so much more of the
story behind players coming up, getting injured, making their
way back, all those kinds of things.
So I think everything adapts over time.
But man, it's all happening so fast at the moment.
(34:24):
Like, for sure the growth of everything in the digital space.
Yeah, it's going to mean amazingthings.
I keep thinking of like what it's going to do for medicine,
that nanotechnology. You get to a point, you're
walking to the doctors, it'll doa scan on you and they'll go,
look, that's wrong. And then these crazy little
nanobots will run into your bodyand sew up your heart or.
Whatever. And how fast AI would be able to
(34:47):
compute and do research on things way faster than people
could. I think there's going to be good
come out of it. It's going to be a lot of bad,
yeah. It's going to say when you see
yourself in five, 1020 years, when you see the world.
That's a very big question. I was just.
Listening to a podcast on the way home just before and this is
(35:09):
2 Kiwi guys. This is so funny.
And one of them was just, he wason a massive rant about Trump
and, and just America at the moment.
And they're just like how crazy the world is.
And he went in a really interesting direction with it
where I thought he was going to be.
This world is like screwed up. It is just, and you could you
very easily look at everything online and just go, oh, man,
(35:30):
this world is messed up. He was saying exactly that, but
laughing as he was saying, and he's going, what a time to be
alive. This world has gone crazy.
And it's hilarious watching it. And I thought it's not a bad way
to look at it because what are you going to do?
Can you do anything about it? Can try, but yeah, it's, it's
pretty crazy right now. The new mayor of New York City,
(35:52):
very happy about that. Maybe there's hope for America.
Did you say he's gone in and metTrump?
And they hit it. Off and the two of them best
buddies. You never know what you're
getting. It's so weird what and the
things he'd been saying about him before and everything is
like. Both of them about each other.
I know I can't figure it out. Fun to watch.
I've never been interested in American politics if until any
(36:15):
politics. Every night I watch Jimmy
Kimmel, Stephen Colbert and SethMeyers and just their monologues
at the start of every show, monologues the way they used to
be on those like late night shows.
It was basically just everythingthat's been happening for the
day, gags, all about all those things.
It's pretty much about 15 to 20 minutes about Trump every night
(36:35):
now because, and Jimmy Kimmel says he goes, he just gives us
so much content. It's quite insane and it's just
nuts to watch. Where will the world be in 5-10
years? It's so hard to say.
I feel like AI is going to keep evolving at such a rapid pace,
but where that ends up, I don't know.
I really wonder whether the world is like crazier now than
it's ever been or if it's just like pretty crazy and I had to
(36:59):
go in like. Yeah, I do under that as well
as. Politics has had points in
history where it's like, what ishappening, this is so insane and
crazy, but then a few generations later or you know.
Yeah, you know what I think it is?
It's the 24/7. News cycle.
That is a huge. That's what it is.
If this stuff happening now was happening 20 years ago, you
would read about it in the newspaper.
(37:19):
And the spread of it would be somuch slower.
And then what gets covered, you have to pick what's the number
one most important single thing.Yeah, in the headline.
And then just. Imagine with what's happening in
US politics right now, having traffic one thing a day to put
in the paper, you'd have to comeup with a whole whole newspaper.
But that's The thing is that allof this stuff spreads so much
quicker because of social media and digital access.
(37:43):
We have to everything, yes. I don't know.
I don't know if it is crazier. Happy birthday, super proud of
you. Thanks.
Love you. Love you.
You're kind of the reason that your sister exists.
You're welcome. So yeah, literally 4 years old
and we're just look at you go, Oh my God, you would be the best
(38:06):
Big Brother. I need to say actually as well,
because I did want to bring thatup.
Jordan and Tiana, five years apart, have never in their
entire lives have a fight. That's true.
That is insane. It's pretty crazy.
Yeah, you're a good human and weare so crazy proud of you and
(38:27):
all that you have done and whereyou will go on to do many, many
more amazing things. And you're a.
Beautiful soul, and we've known that since you're a little bit
of care. Thank you, love you, love you.
With Rabbit, I'm Rabbit. I record this podcast inside a
cute little retro caravan from 1967 that I've tore.
Around. All over the Place fan podcast
with Rabbit. A special episode today because
it's my son Jordan's 21st birthday today.
Not today, not today, but futuretoday as we record this, it's
(00:26):
not his birthday on the day it comes out, it is his birthday
right And right, Sure, like justexplaining it to you.
Yeah, I wasn't sure. We've had to come in and record
inside the house. I think this is the first of the
pod van podcast episodes that has not been recorded in the
van. I think you did one with Tiana
in the house once, Did I? I think so.
(00:47):
Did I do a recording with you inside the house once?
That seems she's ignorious. So I thought could be fun is to
try and record a podcast episodein the OK, here she comes.
All right, come on then. All right, hype up.
OK, so we're inside the lounge at home because it's 32° outside
(01:10):
right now and Jordan didn't put the air con on before we
started. There was a wasp inside.
I had to let it out. I had to open all the doors.
You had one job and then along comes Harley Doggerson.
That was her on the mic just then.
I don't know if I woke up. Oh, no, you can't.
No, listen, you can't be in my lap.
Well, hey, hey, Dad's working. OK.
Please take your pour off the iPad.
(01:30):
Oh. My God am I.
Expected to get any work done inthe face of such cuteness.
And see why you don't record these inside the house.
All right, dogs lying down. So we're going to run through
some. We're basically just going to
run through Jordan's last 21 years and going to give your
thoughts on you cut on your forehead.
I do have a cut on my forehead. That's a cat, isn't it?
(01:51):
No, it looks like cat work. What do you reckon, Harley?
Yeah, cat work. Not cat work.
What? It's my girlfriend.
Fire out, man. It's quite funny.
I'm driving her home. Yesterday I came to her work to
surprise her. She didn't know I was coming
over. And she scratched your face as
you. Scratched my face.
Don't surprise her again. I picked her up from work.
She was very appreciative. But then she said, oh, actually
(02:12):
I've got a present for you. So as soon as we get back to the
house, gonna have to close your eyes, you know, don't come in
for a minute. Both of us forgot that she had
said that and get there. And she opens the door and she
goes. She spins around and puts her
hands on my face, but she's holding the key to the door
still. Oh.
You got keys. I got keys.
Oh, this is what they say when there's like, creepy dudes
around. You put the keys in your fist.
Like one key stick out through your knuckles.
(02:33):
Well, that's what she gets. Straight to the forehead.
Yeah, Bled it bled a lot. Did it?
Wow man, I didn't see the present though so.
Well, it's because of all the blood is running down your face.
You couldn't see through it. Yeah.
What is your earliest memory? My earliest memory I remember at
the early learning centre that Iwent to in Adelaide, I remember
(02:53):
playing on the play mats with like Hot Wheels and things and
they had like the map of the town laid out on a oh I.
Love those. Yeah, the big mats on the floor,
yeah. With the cars, yeah.
Same with the other kids. So how old?
About four, I reckon, my first one.
Is my 5th birthday. I think I remember earlier than
that because I would have been at the eel.
Smarter. No, I would have.
(03:14):
Been my brain was. Developing because I would have
been four. I think I was.
I was 5 in school. Yeah, it's just because I'm
younger. But I see on my 5th birthday I
got the option to have one last day at Kendi or go to primary
school. That's not how it works here,
right? You don't go on your 5th
birthday? No, you go the next year.
At the start of the year, you can decide or do you want to
wait for next year or do you want to start this year?
(03:36):
So I mean, yeah, I think, I think so.
At least I think you can choose.What are some of your biggest
obsessions or interests from growing up that have stuck with
you through to today? Actually, no.
Just go the obsessions when you were younger first 'cause
they're funny. So I was talking to someone the
other day and he said something about lightning.
Oh, I asked him about his phone.I said is that USBC or
(03:57):
lightning? And he goes lightning and I went
and it just gave me a weird look.
Latin McQueen. He did know what I was talking
about. I just had to explain it a bit.
First param. It's a bit crazy.
Not everyone's brains work the same way, no.
So cars? What, you were upset with cars?
Movie cars. Yes, I had a massive not even
poster like a wall. We went to the movies one time.
Yeah, it was from one of the cinemas then I had a good
(04:18):
relationship with and they used to have.
Do they still have those? Yeah, some Blaze or movies.
Cut out you can get a photo withsort of thing.
Yeah, a 3D stick out thing. So they had this massive one for
a Cars movie. It wasn't the first one.
It was. Cars two it was the.
Flying one, yeah. Playing cars, yeah.
And had this massive display. And so I asked them if I could
have it after the movie was doneand carted the whole thing.
(04:39):
It was massive and it filled theentire wall.
It was. Half my room, it was just it's
cars to display from the 3D thing.
Yeah, I remember that. That was pretty cool.
I got some very cool bedrooms I'll have you know.
I did. I had bunk bed.
I never shared a bunk bed with anyone else, but I had a bunk
bed style. Good point, I didn't.
Need a bunk bed? We had a desk on the bottom
(05:01):
half. I think I wanted to sleep up on
the top of a bunk bed, but I wasn't going to share a room
with Tiana. Yeah, So I had a desk on the
bottom half and then I slept in the top half and it was themed
like a castle with a big shield on it and everything.
That was great. That was one of the coolest.
Puffle shield. A Puffle shield from Club
Penguin. Club Penguin.
That's right. Build.
The whole thing. Most of my cool beds fully
constructed by dad, for better and for worse.
(05:25):
What are you talking about? You had the red racing car bed.
Yep, that was pretty. Cool, Mom would just come home
and find me in the garage with abunch of sheets of MDF.
What are you doing? I'm building a castle bunk bed
for Jordan. It's going to have a desk built
into the end of it, and I put a car stereo, but with a screen on
it. In the car bed, didn't you?
Yeah, in the car bed. And then that also made his way
(05:47):
into the castle bed as well, so you could sit in the downstairs
one which had an arch to go go through as well.
It did. I'll put up a photo online of
this bed. Look, it's pretty epic.
It's pretty good. But when you sat inside that,
you can actually watch DVDs. Wow.
On this tiny car stereo screen. The car stereo built into the
car bed was pretty cool. Yeah, that was pretty awesome.
(06:08):
You listen to the radio on it. That was a bit of a flashback
too, when Mum met me and I had ablack leather water bed with a
stereo in the headboard. I know, I know.
Yeah. Like, it's a podcast that people
don't need to be able to see your face.
No, they're all doing the same one.
Yeah. I believe that's called Ill Ill.
(06:30):
It's a good bed. One of the obsessions was Club
Penguin. That's why you had the Club
Penguin Puffle. Say Club Penguin themed birthday
party at one point. Yeah, really good.
Ben 10 and 10. That was, yeah, when I was much
younger, Yeah. That was a big one.
Do you remember that? Dinosaurs.
I had a huge dinosaurs phase andThe Dinosaur Train the TV show.
(06:51):
And then do you remember the birthday?
Party the Dinosaur Train birthday.
Dinosaur Train, we actually tookthe, well, it was a tram, well,
the Dinosaur Tram, and we took that from our place to like the
exhibition centre or something in Adelaide where they had this.
Dinosaur exhibition. I can't remember what it was.
That was the thing where they'reall animated, they're all
animatronic ones, and you walk through and the T Rex turns
(07:11):
around and roars you in that sort of thing.
Yeah, full dinosaur party. One of the things we obsessed
with there's. Too many to.
Nerf guns. Yes.
But that carries on right through to now.
That carries on to today. That's one of the main rotating
things that I could still collect to this day where I'll
go for a a while without thinking about it and they just
sit in the shed for a while. But then I get really back into
(07:32):
it. I and I collect because I get
bundles sometimes where I want three of the guns that are in it
desperately and then the other 10 I don't care about, but it's
30 bucks. Someone's just clearing out the
garage and I'm like that's worththat one gun.
There is $40 on it's own. Well, let's talk about your
amazing negotiating skills. I don't have a history of good
negotiation. I think I'm a very kind person,
(07:55):
yeah, that I am more likely to negotiate a price away from me
and offer to pay more. Which is exactly what happened
the first time. It was garage sale trail and we
turned up to someone's garage sale and I had Nerf guns.
I was like, you know, 10 bucks it was.
And then Jordan goes, how about 15 second like you're buying it
(08:19):
was you don't. It was already a bargain.
You knew it was worth more, thatwas.
More. So he offered more.
Ohh man so funny those things that just happened like once.
It's like my sister, she gets attacked by a lion once and
she's known as Cub Tucker forever.
That's pretty memorable to be. I never been attacked by a lion.
Yeah, well, that's why we don't call you Cub, Tucker.
(08:40):
That'd be a strange nickname. That would be very that same as
Cody back in school. You scratch your head one time
in class. You just don't live things down,
no? So there's you with your reverse
negotiating skills. And now every time, every time
Jordan goes to buy something like this will end up costing
him more than what they want to charge him.
I've been tears about that forever.
(09:01):
And you will be. Yeah, To be fair, there is
probably more times that I've haggled the price up that I have
done spot. On actually, do you have
recommendations of books for people because Jordan is a
voracious reader that's. The right word.
Yeah, That's great. Thanks.
Devours books used to, not so much these days now, but man as
(09:23):
a. Kid.
We couldn't believe we had to move towns just because he'd,
like, finished a library. That's right.
Like so much. Yeah.
It wasn't nothing to do with my job.
It was just you kept running outof books.
I got it. So I used to do all the
premier's reading challenges. I have some of the gold medals
from that still. Yeah.
And yeah, I was a library monitor in primary school.
(09:44):
Yeah, I went through that library like.
After we always said right from the start, you're going to be an
author and the things that you would write when you were like 8
years old and reading the stuff going, there's no way.
I'm like, that's AI. And then I realized AI didn't
exist. And I thought it was even weird
that I was saying it because it's essentially I invented AII.
Don't know about. That I'm pretty sure that's
(10:05):
what's going to come out of this.
Yeah. Name of the episode is actually
the day Jordan discovered his dad invented AI.
It's not, it's. About whatever I make it about.
You're going to edit it. You can decide exactly what I
say. You're not even in this.
That's just going to be me sitting on the couch talking to
Harlow. Episodes give the people what
they want. Yeah, but authors and book
series that they have to read because with my audience, they
(10:30):
may look, they may be older and have maybe even their kids have
kids. It could be for the grandkids.
So it could be. So let's go real young first.
Real young. Yeah.
Beast Quest. I so wow.
Do you remember that? When I was a lot younger, I used
to love these books. There were these tiny little
books that were just like a short story and they had the
same main character and they're set in the same world, but it
(10:50):
was just like a new beast every week sort of thing.
There's hundreds of them. There's like 200 books in that
series. East Quest, Yes.
Hey, what was the book series that Tiana was really into?
And I was trying to get all the numbers of them.
So the fairy. No, no, Haiti.
What was the book series you were massively into?
And I was trying to get all of them.
(11:11):
Tiana reads a lot at the moment to be fair.
No, she. Buys a lot of books, she doesn't
read them. True, she just buys them.
What was the book series maybe five years ago or something like
that? Does it ring a bell?
There's some. You think in Rainbow Fairy?
Yeah, well, there's like a million different fairies and
they were all different books. Is that the one?
Yeah, no, no, it's a girl, EJ12.Yes, I'm familiar, yeah.
(11:34):
Secret agent, 12 year old girl. Yeah.
Emily Jane. Yeah.
And then there was Rangers apprentice.
Oh. Great books.
You know, Sarah likes those two.Really.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
She loved them. And have you told her you met
John Flanagan? I think she has too.
Oh, yeah, yes. It's not that I'd find.
I think he's just hanging down, man.
Manly shops will be. Saw him.
No, he yeah, there's a great, great books, The Rangers
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Apprentice and all the spin off series and everything.
Yeah, most of them. All right then, for adults?
That's the question. I honestly just read a lot of
young adult fiction. Anything that I love is in that
sort of range. But what's the one that's
another series and maybe got made into a movie?
Mortal Engines. Yeah, Mortal Engines.
I was going to say, that's one of my favorite books of all
time. Wait, what's that other one?
Disc. Discworld Discworld Love the
(12:19):
Discworld series. That's a good recommendation
that's any age because it's just, yeah, timeless, really
good. There's about 40 books in it and
they, yeah, they're all connected, but you don't need to
read them in order. They're all kind of isolated
stories. Do you have any memories of our
J days? I do, very vaguely.
So J Day was when I would take Jordan and just be him and I and
(12:40):
we'd just go and do all just Jordan stuff.
And then we had tea days as well.
Jordan wasn't invited so. No.
But the J days and T days were quite different.
Mutually exclusive. Yeah, less fingernail painting
and shopping at like La Visa, whatever that cheap jewelry
place. Yeah, no, my, my J days.
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I vividly remember the beach house I think it's called.
Yeah. In Adelaide.
Yeah, Adelaide. Don't know if that's still
around. It's possibly a fortune.
I love to go there. That's one of those like arcade
places. You're like, that was great.
That was great fun because. I was trying to remember the
other day what we used to do on J days.
Go and get ice cream. He is always like a yoga yoga
Berry or something. Yeah, I just one-on-one time
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hanging out together was good times.
You know, mum would do all the stuff at home, like keeping the
entire house running, doing absolutely everything for you,
keeping you alive and all that and then fund added role and
every now and then then go let'sdo a day day it's.
Like, yeah, yeah, Yep, yeah. So it goes.
Still does. You mentioned your themed
birthday parties with the pufflecake.
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Let's see how many you can remember.
You had a themed cake every year.
Yeah, so we have Dinosaur Train,we have the dinosaur themed
birthday and Dinosaur Train party.
Okay, Yep, we had Club Penguin. That was a puffle cake.
Do you remember that yellow puffle?
Do you remember that? Yes, I'm trying to go off cakes
now. What was I really into?
Gosh. I'm picturing an Elmo cake.
(14:04):
Elmo. You know what that would have
been for Motley Young? There was like there was, I
think there was a Thomas the Tank Engine 10.
I I did one for you, a race track one.
It was around cars time, like a banked NASCAR racetrack.
Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, man, I'm going to be in so
much trouble if I didn't make that cake.
You know what I'm going to do? Look it up.
I will do a photo search for December 1st.
(14:26):
December 1st Good idea. My birthday every year and there
will be cakes galore. OK, when were you born?
2004 OH. God, that far back.
OK, well this is you being born so.
Makes sense that did. Yep, that is of December.
That was on that day that was onthe same day as your birthday
answers Yeah wow what a quickie thing what was your party for
(14:48):
that one your birthday? I don't think we threw a party.
All right, so 1st birthday partycake was it's a train.
That's Thomas. I think that's Thomas.
You were quite into Thomas the Tank Engine at age 1, and you
had a Ripper train set. Oh, look at this one.
That's a hedgehog cake. Oh.
I remember that. I don't know if that was the
theme of the whole birthday, butthat.
(15:09):
'D be a weird theme for a birthday party.
I'm having a hedgehog. Themed cake.
It's got these chocolate fingerssticking out of a big rear.
And what are they called? Chocolate thins.
OK, this isn't because there's Tiana there and she didn't come
along for a while, so there's clearly a few missing ears.
Yeah, which is weird because as I was putting together a video
for your 21st birthday party, wediscovered that I have over
(15:30):
11,000 photos of Jordan. So many while you're sleeping as
well. That's not true, I hope.
Oh okay, well here we go. Is the Puffle picture a yellow?
Volleyball with eyes. Just a yellow puff ball.
Yellow puff ball. Yeah, and you have them as pets.
And I think it's really funny because they don't have arms or
(15:52):
legs. They're just a ball that bounces
around. But you got to feed them.
You got to raise them. Oh yeah.
Look at this one. I'd completely forgotten about
this one. Archery.
An archery cake we. Had an archery themed birthday?
Yes. Do you recall that?
I love archery. I can't believe I had a birthday
around it. That's right, Do.
You remember when you couldn't hit the side of a barn?
(16:12):
A good problem, yeah. That's the funniest video.
I'm filming Jordan as he goes toshoot an arrow at AI.
Don't know where that was. We're away somewhere shooting an
arrow at a target and it just went flying off the site.
But it didn't hit the target andhit the steel like barn behind
it and it made the biggest pipe pain noise.
And you know, as every good dad should do in a moment like that,
(16:35):
I burst out laughing. The wind, can I just say.
Yeah, OK. Crazy.
It's incredible. You can't remember all your
cakes, but you remember the weather conditions on one
particular day. Because I remember the joke was
everyone was laughing in the heads off at the fact that I hit
a barn. I'm glad you brought other
people into this because I'm pretty sure that was just me.
What's going on here? That's just a very plain sponge
(16:56):
cake. We don't do that sort of gear.
How to tell you I? Guess.
I guess 2016 was when we stopped.
Here. Trying.
Yeah. There.
Especially coming into recent years, I actually don't like
cake. So yeah, we reached this
problem. I didn't think you ever really
did. No, I don't know.
I don't think I ever did. I don't.
What are these guys? Monster Hunter Monster.
Monster Hunter 2018. I'm an OG, I'll tell you what
(17:20):
because that was right after like the first modern Monster
Hunter game came. And you are mad on Monster
Hunter on the Xbox and every other device and these are
cupcakes with Monster Hunter toppers which I.
Think answers on Kyla did probably. 2018 there.
Ohh wow, now we've just gone to straight fancy cupcakes from
Cakes by Kyla. Yep, that's what those are.
(17:41):
And that's December 1st, 2022. Where's my NASCAR?
Track that I specifically made that you crafted yourself.
You know when I crafted it 5 minutes ago in my brain I think.
Have you been to Gwendoline Bowling Club?
They're right there on the shores of Lake Macquarie.
They do delicious meals upstairsin the Four Shore Bistro and
(18:01):
Cafe which is run by the Dish Catering Group.
So you know it's good stuff and you can dine out on the balcony
looking out over the lake. It is beautiful.
They got the cute little 4 shorekiosk for a coffee and snacks
right by the jetty. The entertainment's top notch.
They got Friday night seafood raffles and Sunday sessions with
live music in the beer garden. You wanna find out what's
(18:23):
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big supporters of the Pod Damn podcast right from the start,
and you get all the stuff from them that you'd expect to You
get plants, you get all the Webber stuff, you get all the
still here, the amazing principal kitchens, but it's the
stuff that you don't expect. Like this lady comes in and
(18:46):
she's hired a goat but to clear some lands and she wanted to
work out a way how to tether this goat.
I come up with an idea of a bit of stainless steel wire between
2 trees, like a zip line betweenthe two trees to the goat.
She took my advice. I don't know how it turned out,
but she was very happy with the service that she got.
That's what she got. And the mighty helpful King
Campbell Minor Jen podcast with Rabbit.
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You're sitting here in a Smith'sT-shirt.
Yep. And you are mad about music,
gaming and music. Yep, quite the cliche. 21 year
old if we say about the one thing that you've never ever
done and have no interest in having a drink.
True. No alcohol no for the 1st 21
years. And for the next 21 too.
(19:34):
Really. Where does that come from?
I don't, no. Because we don't drink.
No, we don't really drink. Much but I did in the family,
but yeah. Mom did.
And my friends certainly do. Oh yeah, they do.
Looking at you, Liam. I somehow picked one of the most
alcohol heavy frame groups. No, I don't know.
(19:55):
I just, I don't like the idea ofnot being in control.
Yeah, 100% of my own body. So yeah, I've never had a drink.
I never will. Amazing.
I'm pretty stoked about that. Yeah.
Yeah, the other kid, that one's a concern.
I don't know. She's had a good example.
Why so into music? It's a big question.
It just really gets to me. I think any sort of media,
(20:19):
shows, books, whatever, that just reaches something in your
heart where you're like, oh, I feel that.
And I think music does that so easily for me.
There's 50 albums that can do that for me that just make me
like, Oh my God, I feel that much more than I do.
Really feel those things you, you're very connected and.
My favorite books are the ones that make me cry every time I
(20:41):
read them. Music's not always like that,
but there is a lot of music thatcan make me cry.
A lot of albums I'd like just because of how emotional.
Yeah, Mötley Crüe did that for me.
As well, it doesn't have to be emotional deep sad music.
It can be just like guitar rock heavy and the nothing emotional
about it at all. And it's still, I don't know,
it's still resonate with you. Yeah, I get it.
Yeah. Totally get it and you play in a
(21:03):
band I do love same time as well.
Play the drums, I play the bass,and that's a big part of it too,
I think, having a connection with instruments.
And that's been from a really early age as well.
We were always pumping out musicaround the house and I've always
been massively into rock mostly,but you got to meet a few bands
through all of that as well. When I was very young, I don't
(21:23):
remember any of this. I have no memories of any of
but. You've seen photos.
I've seen photos, apparently I got to come along to special
events and gigs and backstage with these crazy cute Why are
you? Saying it is that this tone.
Because I don't remember any of it.
And then by the time I was old enough to be hugely into music
and wanting to meet all these artists you did when you were
four. Yeah.
Well, I, yeah. Yeah, but that's funny because
(21:45):
there was one just recently thatI don't even remember.
And it's a band that, like, you were into for ages and I never
brought up with you that you'd met them because I didn't know
until I saw a photo recently of you with the script.
Yeah. No, I do remember that 1 I loved
the script when I was growing up.
That was mean. I reckon that was your first,
like, real big, fully into that Falling to Pieces song that was.
(22:06):
Yeah. Break even.
Yeah. And you had dinner with
Nickelback. He was doing an interview with
them or for something or. Yeah, backstage at a concert.
It was dinner time and they said, hey, do you want to go out
and grab dinner? Well, it was all just backstage
at the thing. Yep, we all sat there and had
dinner with Nickelback. They gave you some drumsticks,
some guitar, they go. As I am now a drummer of eight
(22:27):
years or something like that, I've never seen those sticks.
Yeah, they disappeared along theway, I'm sure.
And then. Oh, yeah.
And I remember saying to Chad Kroeger, the singer of
Nickelback, that, you know well,so bear in mind you got AI think
you were three, maybe at 3 point.
Yeah. So you got a three-year old in
the audience. So let's just watch the
language. And yeah, first thing they do,
they come out on the stage. Hey, your mother.
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I'm like jazz. I've got my kid here.
What's your dream concert and where you'd like to see it?
To be honest, I feel like the best answer I could come up with
have actually already. Seen yeah that's pretty insane I
the. Strokes in New York, I saw them
a few years ago. 2 plus years ago my mom.
Two's a couple, a few is 3. OK, well a couple of years ago
(23:11):
have. I taught you nothing.
Yeah, as I go, Mum and I flew toNew York City to see a couple of
bands, and at the time I was pretty into The Strokes.
I was getting really into them. But they weren't.
I wouldn't have said they were my favorite band in the world.
And now they are my favorite band in the world by far.
And who else did you see? So you saw them and Queen to the
Stone Age? That's right.
And Jason Mraz and Jason Mraz was on in between the two.
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I don't think we even got tickets before we went there.
But then I realised he was playing like around the corner.
I pride myself on being able to find like awesome accommodation
looking around online and and that one there that was.
Pretty insane. So that was.
What was the name of the? It was like a Colosseum or
something. Yeah.
It's Forest Hills Stadium. Forest Hills, NY in Queens.
Yeah. And the apartment that we got
(23:52):
was literally across the road from the stadium.
You look out the window and you could see into the stadium.
Crazy. They could you walk across the
street. To get entrance in the Airbnb.
Man BNB in this like Queens attic they've got yeah, they
tight packed houses. There's the three story all of
them and tight as anything sloped roof half the attic.
One of the rooms is sheep, like a triangle.
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Oh, right. OK.
When I was sleeping in, yeah, notiny place, but it's 5 minute
walk to the subway and that's yeah to everything gets you
everywhere. New York and the way their
subways go is just amazing. You love New York to new.
York so much. What about travelling?
Do you want to do some? You're not really that.
Fast I I don't know, because Thething is I'd love to see the
world, but I'm I get homesick soquickly.
(24:34):
I'll be like away from home for a week and I'll be like, I just
want to go home. I'm a shower.
I miss my shower. I miss my job.
Yeah. You do.
Yeah, I do. I really do.
You get to a point for that, yeah, a few days in maybe a week
tops, and you just want to be home.
I always get that. That'll slow you down from a six
month trip around a year I. Don't know if I could do that,
but I do want to see more of theworld.
(24:54):
I want to go to Europe. I've never been to Europe.
That's like one of the few continents.
I haven't talked to you. No, no.
You went right before I was born.
Yeah. With Mom.
Why are you studying ancient history at university?
I just love history. In high school I had a few.
I had like 4 amazing history teachers in a It was just a
streak of year 10 history or even it would have been like
(25:17):
year eight-year 9 history was really good then.
Yeah, 10 history was really good.
At that point I was like, I've got to take history as one of my
electives. I took both histories.
I took ancient and modern. I didn't have a favorite at that
point, but over the two years I studied modern and ancient, I
came to prefer ancient. I performed better and I like it
more. It's more like piercing together
a history. It's more looking at different
(25:38):
perspectives and accounts and trying to figure out what might
have happened. Whereas a lot of modern history
is you have a lot of facts. You know a lot of what happened,
not 100%, but you know a lot of what actually happened.
And so it's a lot more dates andtimes and facts and figures.
And then ancient is a lot more. This author says there were
10,000 of them. This author says there was 600.
And you just have to try and figure it out.
You just have to try and put together.
(26:00):
That it was storytelling. I like that telling the first
history teacher, I remember you coming home and just going like
he told stories. It's like he was telling stories
and that's you've been obsessed with books and that forever.
And it's just, I don't know, it's so insane that all of it
happened. You know what I mean?
Like, as I don't know, it's it'slike a reading a book and
knowing that everything that happened in it actually
(26:22):
happened. Yeah.
You know, it sounds insane and far fetched and ridiculous.
And you think, how did one person conquer all of Europe and
Asia? That's insane.
That wouldn't have happened. It did, and then he died and it
fell apart five years later, andso it's just all this insane.
Well, this would be around the Byzantine era.
I was more going for Alexander the Great.
I try, I just try and chip in when Jordan talks about things,
(26:43):
but I just say the same thing every single time and also don't
know how to say it. No, Byzantine is right.
That's one of my favorite Byzantine.
Oh yeah, good unit on that. You know what, as far as errors
go, that's one of my favourites and I was shocked to see that
Taylor Swift didn't. Cover it.
That wasn't in there. As to it, no, I would have
liked. I would think I would have gone
if there was a Byzantine era. Like what other?
(27:05):
Eras could she have covered? Classical Roman could have even
done like the Imperial Roman, Senatorial Roman, the Republic.
She comes down in the toga. Yeah, of.
Course classical Greek. Yeah, go through even the Hathi
and the Akaemanid. The Sasanid do like.
So there's a whole she could do a whole other eras dealer.
I have so much untapped potential there.
Yeah, and then there's there cause errors always to me sounds
(27:28):
like ERRORS and that's a very different.
You just come out. He's just mess up every song.
Yeah, yeah. To expect that could be the name
of this podcast, the Errors Tour.
So. So where is this university
stuff going to take you to that you don't know?
Do you? No, I'd like to do something
with it, hopefully. I'd like to teach history or
(27:49):
write about it. I still want to be an author, I
still really want to write booksand I don't really know if it's
going to be fiction or non fiction.
Probably I'm leaning towards more non fiction like writing
academia or even writing like that book right there in front
of us, Byzantium by Judith Heron.
It's one of my favorites. I'm making my way through right
now. It's more meant for a general
audience, but it's just like a brief break down of the
(28:10):
Byzantine Empire. So it's actually based on fact,
but it's readable. Yeah.
And that was the thing I realized a while ago was that,
you know, I always pictured you as writing books like The
Rangers Apprentice. Yeah.
But then realizing that you could be a writer of many
things. You can write for ATV show or a
movie, a script, writing, a creative writer, publish papers.
(28:32):
I'd love to publish official academia stuff.
There's another author, Emma Southern, who's fantastic, and
she does real laypers. Like, real.
They're funny, they're engaging,they're entertaining, and
they're just like, flipping different parts of history on
the head, just being like, let'stalk about this one emperor who
every single source says was thenastiest, worst, most evil guy.
What reasons do they have to saythat?
(28:53):
What things were going on at thetime and what can we really tell
but just doing it in a way that's just so funny.
I don't know. Sounds like Drunk History, have
you seen that? Yeah, great stuff.
People get really drunk and thentry and explain parts of
history. That's funny.
Look it up on YouTube. So was something you said then
about you wanting to get into writing with this world of AII?
Remember when I first started playing around with it on air?
(29:15):
And one morning I just went, oh,write me a story, a short story
about a duck that goes down to alemonade stand.
And he says to the man running the stand, no, not about that,
but it will. And you'd read it and go, Oh my
God, that it just did that. And that was the start of AI.
Then you. I do not like AI.
No. Nope, I don't, no.
(29:36):
Not at all. And I like that it takes all
types of people in this world. And me, I couldn't be more AI
based. I'm not even here right now.
I'm actually talking to an AI program mimicking you.
Yeah. And you're off editing.
You're doing other things. Yeah, yeah.
Oh yeah, I'm also. I'm still working, obviously.
Of course, it's not like living my life.
(29:58):
That dog over there, robot. What?
You're not even real. Yeah, this is awesome.
I mean, I don't even need to getinto, unless you want to, why
you don't like AI, But it'd be for all the same reasons that
all people that don't like AI don't like it.
Yeah, I've got mates who are voice over artists and that's
what they've done their whole life and they're very good at
what they do. And the voice over stuff in AI
(30:21):
now is perfect. There's no way you would know,
but it's happened many times through in history.
I'm not sure if you're across history, but Amelia, yeah, I
heard a thing saying about leading into the industrial
revolution. So there were all these farmers
working out in the fields and then suddenly somebody from
starts making. Tractors antiquated serfdom to
(30:43):
like yeah, post industrial it's just every job ceases to exist
and so all. Of those farmers, it's like
they're gonna be out of jobs because now these tractors are
coming through and doing this stuff.
But there were factories that were making the tractors and
they needed people and so all those farmers became labourers
in the factories and worked there.
Everything sort of just adapts and.
(31:05):
It is really interesting to see how how industries change so
much with technology. There's a great book that I've
read a bunch of times. It's called Meet Me in the
Bathroom, and it's about The Strokes and similar bands, New
York, 2001 to 2011. But it also covers sort of the
rise of the band in the late 90sand stuff.
And they talk about in one section about how, like, when
CDs hit the scene, artists were just going, oh, this is it, that
(31:29):
you can't make money anymore in this industry because it was so
easy to burn a CD to just copy apirating online.
Pirate it. Yeah, burn it your own CD,
You've got the album. Who's gonna buy an album
anymore? How does an artist make money
when? Well, we've released this new
album ripped online, pirated, and it's got it.
How do you monetize that? And the industry has changed,
like musically so much in the last couple decades.
(31:51):
But artists can still make money.
It's mostly merchandise and touring and stuff now.
It's totally changed as to. How they make, how they make it
is different, but I mean, you can still be an artist, you can
still release music. We'll see what's great now.
OK, so looking at that and social media and the online
world and all that kind of thing, you've got artists now
that can be out busking on a street corner streaming live on
Instagram and can blow up from that.
(32:13):
They can be putting clips of themselves in their bedrooms
singing songs with the guitar and blow up on TR.
And you didn't have that before.You had to get signed to a
record label pretty much and getpushed out.
And then you do in store signings of your records and CDs
and that and you go to the radiostations and you perform in
there and all that. You don't need to do any of that
(32:34):
anymore. So there's opportunities that
come with it as well. And if you don't sign to a
record label, then you don't cough up 90% of your earnings to
the record label. Billie Eilish blew up from a
song released on SoundCloud. Yeah, that's right.
Straight up. That was all there was no.
Yeah, I remember the interestingthat covenant.
Yeah, yeah. It's just a song that she wrote
with her brother on SoundCloud. Yeah, billions of views.
(32:57):
And now is like one of the top modern artists in the hip hop
scene and also. With the online space, some
people look at it as like if you're a creator, you want to
put things up there, or you say you make music and you want to
put it out there. You can look at that as I'm not
going to get to Billie Eilish sort of status.
And it's so hard and there's so many people putting things out
there, but there's billions of people on the planet.
(33:19):
There's room for everyone. There's an audience for every.
Yeah, totally. And you can find them through
those platforms and things like the AI song generators and
things like that. They can write a really good
song, but I think it's kind of like, I saw a thing where they
programmed these two robots to play chess against each other.
(33:39):
They were like perfect. They were the smartest quantum
computers playing chess against each other, and no one watched
it because there's no human aspects to it.
Yeah, it's like sport will nevergo away.
No, you're not such. A human thing.
It's not about being the fastestthat it can physically be in
terms of you could make a robot run faster, it's who cares.
(34:02):
Exactly. You could have, you know, you go
along to an NRL game and they'reactually like robots out there.
People just wouldn't care. There's so much more of the
story behind players coming up, getting injured, making their
way back, all those kinds of things.
So I think everything adapts over time.
But man, it's all happening so fast at the moment.
(34:24):
Like, for sure the growth of everything in the digital space.
Yeah, it's going to mean amazingthings.
I keep thinking of like what it's going to do for medicine,
that nanotechnology. You get to a point, you're
walking to the doctors, it'll doa scan on you and they'll go,
look, that's wrong. And then these crazy little
nanobots will run into your bodyand sew up your heart or.
Whatever. And how fast AI would be able to
(34:47):
compute and do research on things way faster than people
could. I think there's going to be good
come out of it. It's going to be a lot of bad,
yeah. It's going to say when you see
yourself in five, 1020 years, when you see the world.
That's a very big question. I was just.
Listening to a podcast on the way home just before and this is
(35:09):
2 Kiwi guys. This is so funny.
And one of them was just, he wason a massive rant about Trump
and, and just America at the moment.
And they're just like how crazy the world is.
And he went in a really interesting direction with it
where I thought he was going to be.
This world is like screwed up. It is just, and you could you
very easily look at everything online and just go, oh, man,
(35:30):
this world is messed up. He was saying exactly that, but
laughing as he was saying, and he's going, what a time to be
alive. This world has gone crazy.
And it's hilarious watching it. And I thought it's not a bad way
to look at it because what are you going to do?
Can you do anything about it? Can try, but yeah, it's, it's
pretty crazy right now. The new mayor of New York City,
(35:52):
very happy about that. Maybe there's hope for America.
Did you say he's gone in and metTrump?
And they hit it. Off and the two of them best
buddies. You never know what you're
getting. It's so weird what and the
things he'd been saying about him before and everything is
like. Both of them about each other.
I know I can't figure it out. Fun to watch.
I've never been interested in American politics if until any
(36:15):
politics. Every night I watch Jimmy
Kimmel, Stephen Colbert and SethMeyers and just their monologues
at the start of every show, monologues the way they used to
be on those like late night shows.
It was basically just everythingthat's been happening for the
day, gags, all about all those things.
It's pretty much about 15 to 20 minutes about Trump every night
(36:35):
now because, and Jimmy Kimmel says he goes, he just gives us
so much content. It's quite insane and it's just
nuts to watch. Where will the world be in 5-10
years? It's so hard to say.
I feel like AI is going to keep evolving at such a rapid pace,
but where that ends up, I don't know.
I really wonder whether the world is like crazier now than
it's ever been or if it's just like pretty crazy and I had to
(36:59):
go in like. Yeah, I do under that as well
as. Politics has had points in
history where it's like, what ishappening, this is so insane and
crazy, but then a few generations later or you know.
Yeah, you know what I think it is?
It's the 24/7. News cycle.
That is a huge. That's what it is.
If this stuff happening now was happening 20 years ago, you
would read about it in the newspaper.
(37:19):
And the spread of it would be somuch slower.
And then what gets covered, you have to pick what's the number
one most important single thing.Yeah, in the headline.
And then just. Imagine with what's happening in
US politics right now, having traffic one thing a day to put
in the paper, you'd have to comeup with a whole whole newspaper.
But that's The thing is that allof this stuff spreads so much
quicker because of social media and digital access.
(37:43):
We have to everything, yes. I don't know.
I don't know if it is crazier. Happy birthday, super proud of
you. Thanks.
Love you. Love you.
You're kind of the reason that your sister exists.
You're welcome. So yeah, literally 4 years old
and we're just look at you go, Oh my God, you would be the best
(38:06):
Big Brother. I need to say actually as well,
because I did want to bring thatup.
Jordan and Tiana, five years apart, have never in their
entire lives have a fight. That's true.
That is insane. It's pretty crazy.
Yeah, you're a good human and weare so crazy proud of you and
(38:27):
all that you have done and whereyou will go on to do many, many
more amazing things. And you're a.
Beautiful soul, and we've known that since you're a little bit
of care. Thank you, love you, love you.
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