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June 25, 2025 75 mins

235. Who do you consider a lifelong friend? Someone you’ve known for decades? A newer friend you feel deeply bonded to? In the final episode of The Heart of Friendship series—celebrating connection, sisterhood, and shared growth—I chat with my dear friend Michelle, who I’ve been friends with since we were 16, for a heartfelt, funny, and honest conversation about what it means to grow up and older together. We share behind-the-scenes stories from our wild days in our 20s (like lying to our moms and driving 27 hours from Minneapolis to New Orleans for Mardi Gras just to follow a boy), reflect on how we’ve changed (and stayed the same), and and talk candidly about navigating our 50s without children—making peace with that, and what it’s meant for our lives and friendship. Through laughter, love, and deep appreciation, we explore what it really means to keep showing up for each other over decades. This one’s for anyone who knows the beauty—and the sacredness—of a friendship that lasts a lifetime. 

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