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June 9, 2026 56 mins

Episode Summary

In this episode, Richard is joined by Barrie Harrop. Barrie shares his thoughts on why advanced volumetric modular construction represents a crucial step in how affordable housing can be delivered in Australia. They discuss why conventional construction methods are no longer equal to the scale of the problem, and how a factory-based approach to building can deliver quality housing faster and more affordably than anything currently available in the Australian market.

They also explore the concept of air rights and the significant untapped opportunity sitting above underutilised commercial buildings across Australia's capital cities. Barrie explains how lightweight modular construction makes this opportunity newly viable and outlines the collaborative research programme underway with Western Sydney University to map and scale this approach across Australia. 

The episode concludes with Barrie's views on government policy, the compliance challenges facing innovative construction methods, and why he believes the industry cannot wait for policy to catch up. 

About Our Guest

Barrie Harrop is Executive Chairman of Thrive Construct, which he co-founded with architect Peter Billis to deliver affordable, high-quality housing through advanced volumetric modular construction. With a distinguished career spanning more than four decades and crossing continents, Barrie was the project initiator behind Melbourne Central, one of the country's most significant urban renewal projects, created Australia's first food court at Gallerie Food Affair Gawler Place, Adelaide, and was instrumental in launching R.M. Williams into their first CBD store in the world. 

The R.M. Williams Story

R.M. Williams story of growth began when Barrie met the late John Swain in his tin-shed office. He presented to the previous majority shareholder, the late John Swain, in the late 70s, at their modest tin-shed workshop in Percy Street, Prospect, South Australia, where 15 artisans crafted boots, saddles, whips and belts (today over 1,500 craft people make RM Williams boots).

Barrie’s goal was to persuade Mr Swain to open the first R.M. Williams Capital City retail store as the anchor tenant at The Gallerie. Though initially unconvinced, believing his market was limited to rural customers, Barrie presented an underwritten proposal to bring R.M. Williams to city consumers with a new brand that was more relevant to this target market, paving the way for its evolution into one of the world’s leading handmade bootmakers and an enduring Australian icon.

Barrie also served for 16 years as a board advisor to the Industrial Bank of Japan (IBJ). More recently, Barrie led the masterplanning of a new city for 400,000 people in Central Asia, an experience of building at extraordinary scale that now underpins Thrive's joint venture with China State Construction.

Tune into the Episode

If you’re interested in understanding how advanced volumetric construction could reshape housing delivery in Australia, and what a truly scalable solution to the affordability crisis might look like, this is a must-listen episode. Barrie’s breadth of experience makes for a very compelling discussion. 

EPISODE LINKS

Barrie Harrop

Thrive Construct

Large Scale Project Development Experience

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