Episode 32: "Pretty Personal" Series – Our Experiences With Postpartum Anxiety & Depression - Pretty In Pink Again

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I'm Christina and I'm t And thisis the Pretty and Pink Again
podcast where Motherhood meetsrediscovery.
Hi.
Hi, I just answered a call fromNick on speaker phone.

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I, and I feel like every time hecalls me, I should always warn
him ahead of time.
Yeah, you're on speaker.
You're live.
Yeah.
You're on speaker.
You're live.
Everybody.
We're rolling.
Everybody.
Everybody is listening.
So I'm gonna share this quickstory with our listeners.
'cause I'm pretty sure everymother listening has gotten a
call like this from her husband.
I said, this should have beenrecorded because it was the most
relatable conversation and I wascackling.

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Cackling.
So Nick got outta work earlytoday.
He operates and he, when heoperates, sometimes he finishes
early, depending on if he getstwo rooms or whatever.
So the takeaway from this isthat he wants to help.
I'm leaving for a trip with mymom and he's going to be doing
some of the pickups.
So he wants to help today withthe pickups.

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So our children have gone to thesame school for several years.
They do the same activities forseveral years.
But I do like most moms pick up,drop offs, whatever.
So he calls and he's Hey.
Where do I have to be?
What do I have to do?
I have to go to the office?
Nope.
Gymnasium.
What school?
Who's this for?
What time?
Yeah, what time does it end?

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So do I drop?
I do you have to sign them off?
Do I drop and do I sit there forthe whole hour and a half?
Nope.
Nope.
You just, you're just gonna drop'em off and then you're gonna
leave.
What am I gonna do?
That's on you, that's on you.
It was a list of questions.
Lots of questions, but I stayedcalm.
You did.
You were like very polite aboutit.
I was like, know what?
Just come home.
I'll take care of it.
No big deal.
Come home, I'll take care of it.

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And no, he was insisting, hekept saying, no, I wanna do
this.
I wanna do this.
Which I was like, that is.
Honestly a forever effort.
Even just for stepping up to theplate and trying to, oh yeah, he
really deserves a pad back.
So I stayed calm.
I was very polite.
And then what did he say,Christina?
He said verbatim.
He said, he kind of laughed athimself and he goes, I just

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reconstructed an elbow, so Ishould be able to do parent
pickup.
I should be able to pick a fewkids up from school and drop'em
at tennis.
And I said, honey, I was gonnasay that to you, but I didn't
wanna sound like a bitch.
So I was thinking it.
But anyway, so when yourhusbands try to help, I know.
Let them, I know.

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Be nice.
Yep.
They will realize how dumb theysound eventually.
I know.
Because you know what it is.
It sounds so easy when you'renot doing it, day to day it's
just oh, pick a couple of kidsup from school.
How hard could that be?
But it goes back to always whatwe say about the mental load and
all the tracking, the little,the tracking and all the things
that we keep have that we'vetalked about on every episode.

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Just about all the stuff that'susually on the primary parent,
all the mental things thatyou're keeping track of.
And so it's a lot, right?
It's a lot.
And when someone else steps up,who hasn't maybe done it day to
day, they really see how muchgoes into the day and how much
there is to manage.
Right.
And I appreciated the steppingup and try, trying to help you

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right.
And obviously know what's goingon, but also I appreciated.
Your conversation, like just theentirety of the conversation,
how you both were able to stayso calm and both very respectful
of one another.
So as an outsider, maybe thatwas because you were on
speakerphone with you.
But no, actually I have to sayeven if you weren't here.
Yes, that is typically it's howI communicate with Nick.

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It's, and because I'm here allthe time, me, we have a mutual
level of do respect for oneanother.
We do.
And I think some of it comesfrom the early on days.
When I transitioned from aworking person to a home person
taking care of Joseph and Nickwent straight into being like a
full-time like provider and hewould give me these honey do

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lists on Monday and have andthink oh, this is no big deal.
She'll do the lists whileraising Joseph and I'll go to
work.
And then when he had to watchJoseph, he was not able to do
anything else.
So I think that the respectgrows over time when they have

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to do your job.
When somebody else has to doyour job, they have a higher
level of respect for you.
I think it, the grass is alwaysgreener or things might always
seem a lot easier until you'relike in it.
And there should be such amutual respect for one another
when you like trade positions orwhen you know, when somebody
does step up and sees what youdo all of the time.
So I do appreciate that and we tand I have actually wanted to

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chat a lot more aboutrelationships and marriages and
just I guess how things ebb andflow and When kids come into the
picture and even as they getolder?
Yeah, as they get older.
Because we're at differentpoints with our kids' ages and I
guess what we could give to ourmarriages because of how intense

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it is at the beginning.
But now your kids are busy.
So we've wanted to talk aboutthis, like me and you talk about
this a lot.
Like how could we tackle thisconversation without throwing
anybody under the bus?
Because I feel like it's atricky one when it's like a one
sided, it would only be, fromour point of view, I can't get
behind the mic unless I'm likegiving my honest opinion.

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And I can't give my honestopinion about a relationship
that I'm in with somebody else.
Without either them here or themlike being on board with what
I'm about to share.
There's two people in arelationship.
And then if you're only gettingone point of view, it gets a
little tricky.
We've heard you guys, becausethat has been a very hot
request.
But we're just trying to tackleit very delicately and properly.

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So that it's fair.
And we also are like thinkingabout, okay, so maybe we have a
relationship expert, come on.
Another expert.
Currently I am struggling withexperts because not that I'm
struggling with the expert, I'mstruggling with the execution.
Of the knowledge that is comingfrom the expert like parenting
experts and relationship expertsand food experts.

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I think that if you took theroof off of their house they
would even a professional wouldstruggle with the execution of
some of these tips and tricksand things that you are supposed
to be doing because when stakesare high and emotions are high
and you have a temper and youhave feelings, it's hard to then
follow through.
Oh, I agree with that.
So I'm just, I wanna have arelationship talk with you, but

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just to find out like whathappens in a household.
More or more relatable.
More relatable.
Like less about the advice orlike what works and what doesn't
work.
Like just what is actuallyhappening in our lives.
Like you chose that person tomarry.
What happens between that daythat you choose to marry that
person to present day kidslater?

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Why do all women struggle?
You know, like Right.
Looking at that person.
Yeah.
Being like, oh my God, I'm notlooking at you the same way I am
looking at you as I married you,but I wanna, whatever.
It seems like that's verycommon.
I, it's so common.
I know.
I think that what we're gonnasave this topic for another day
when it is just t and i, becauseI think we do, we wanna just

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rehash that a little bit.
Yes.
But we also wanna have ourthoughts together and, yeah.
But we'll, but it's a common onethat keeps circling that it is
like people, a lot of people areasking for it, but another one
that people were asking for Yes.
Is we've, because I think bothof us have touched on things in
other episodes when we've hadexperts on and when we've talked

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through other things, but.
We have both had bouts withpostpartum anxiety and
postpartum depression, and we'veboth referenced this, but we've
really never dived into each ofour experiences when it
happened.
T obviously went through threepregnancies, has four kids, a

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set of twins, and I have two.
And so we wanted to reintroduceour pretty personal series
because we had done this at thebeginning where we just unveiled
a little bit about ourselves andsome struggles that we had and I
guess some inspiration for whywe started this podcast, right?
Was from those series.

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And so we wanted to talk aboutthis.
And I think that.
Explaining these years and theseemotions and these feelings also
is a good segue into how thataffects your marriage.
For sure.
For sure.
So we talk about marriage at alater day.
I think that it's good to havein the background this
background there.
Because we know we're not theonly ones that deal with this,

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have dealt with this.
And we're gonna also dive intohow even when you've identified
something you've gotten a formaldiagnosis and now you are
implementing new systems intoyour life.
It is a daily, yearly, for therest of your lives.
Ebbs and flows, struggles offeelings.
For sure.
For sure.
And we keep referencing that.

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We feel like we're in astronger, better place, but we
still, we don't have like tensevery single day.
No.
That's not realistic.
I'll feel like I'm making suchprogress in physical mental
health, and then all of a suddenI'll have a couple of bad days
and it feels like you go a fewsteps forward and you feel so
good, and then 10 stepsbackwards.

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And it's so hard to have thatrealization, but I think that's
very normal.
Yeah.
I think it's good to remindyourself that it's okay.
Yeah.
You're not always gonna be jetsetting ahead.
That's why when you look at likeyour heart is supposed to go
like up this down.
It's not just supposed to,that's a flat line that's dead.
So I think it's like a goodreminder.
Yeah.
But, all right, let's get intoit.

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So we're gonna talk about thedifference between postpartum
depression and postpartumanxiety.
And what are some of the, thingsassociated with it, and some
are, what are some of themisconceptions So what exactly
is postpartum anxiety anddepression?
And I guess how do they differ?
And how do they overlap andwhen?
And where do they show up?

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So what I thought wasinteresting is that they don't
necessarily have to show upimmediately after you have a
baby.
Yes.
That is very interesting.
And that postpartum anxiety, itsays can happen like years
after.
And that's what happened to you.
And that's what happened to me.
Postpartum depression, usuallythey flag you for it within
those six weeks after you have ababy.
Yep.
And if you're still continuingon with those baby blues, that's

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when they categorize you withpostpartum depression.
But I think if you have both ofthem together, that can really
where it becomes a little murky,because you might be slightly
depressed and then it might rollinto this anxiety that I was
gonna say that pings up monthslater.
Postpartum anxiety is heightenedworry racing thoughts, obsessive

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checking.
And it could be obsessing overanything.
It could be like obsessing overthe schedule.
I think just obsessing is thekey part there here it says fear
of harm to the baby.
But I think fear, just fear ingeneral, fear of needs to be
highlighted there because that'swhat, that's those intrusive
thoughts that you always hearpeople mention.
I think that's, yeah, that's ahuge part of that.

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And postpartum anxiety may ormay not come with depression.
So I'll share what, yeah, I'llshare what happened with me a
little bit.
I had my first when I was 26.
Mm-hmm.
And I had no postpartumdepression or anxiety after
Joseph.
I was like, I felt light as afeather.
I was happy to be a mom.
I was happy to have him.
Life was easy breezy with him.

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He was easy, baby.
We had an easy life.
We lived in a small house.
Life was so simple.
I wish I could go back to thosesimple days.
Then I had my second son.
We had a larger home that I hadto maintain.
I'm just like giving you some ofthe examples.
Yeah.
In which I thought my postpartumanxiety was just environmental
from Right.
And I was like, oh no, I just,it's because I have this baby.

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Another baby.
It's because I have this home.
It's because I have this.
And what I found out was, isthat I didn't necessarily fit
the part, I looked calm on theoutside.
I looked productive.
I was getting a lot done.
I looked like I was thriving onthe outside.
Mm-hmm.
Because I was doing all of thesethings that I would usually do.

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I was like going, I would stillgo to an exercise class.
I would still get my nails and Iwould still have dinner with my
girlfriends.
You were functioning, but I wasrunning away from my house is
really what I was doing.
I was hiding behind doing thesethings, like functioning'cause I
was running away from them.
'cause I was a nervous wreck onthe inside.
Were you having the intrusivethoughts?

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My thoughts all day wereintrusive, were ridiculous.
They made absolutely no sense.
Tell me what some of'em were.
I thought if a balloon popped, Ithought I would have a heart
attack.
So I was in the doctor's officelike three times a month.
For like for every single thing.
Like I thought I was being ail,being strangled.
I thought I was having a heartattack, so I would have such bad

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chest pain.
I couldn't catch my breath.
I was like, I need a chestx-ray.
I'm constantly chronicallystuffy.
My head is constantly hurting.
I must have a brain tumor.
Or I was constantly like dizzyand I had vertigo.
Like I was having extremeanxiety the doctor diagnosed me
with this after having my secondson was about like, and how far

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was that?
It was about like eight or ninemonths after he was born.
I was in that office everyfreaking day.
So you were still in the windowof that year after second baby?
Yep.
I was still in the window, butbecause I was on the outside, I
looked like everything was fine.
My kids were healthy the housewas clean.
Everything was in quotations.
Good.

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But I was like dying a slowdeath on the inside.
Were you having any.
Intrusive thoughts about thekids and like the fear of the
kids.
'cause I know the most commonone that I always will hear is
you're like walking with thebaby down the stairs and you
have a feeling that you're gonnafall with the baby down the
stairs.
That's a huge trigger for a lotof women.
I never had thoughts about thekids.

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I had thoughts about myself.
I had thoughts like, if I falldown the stairs, who's gonna
take care of you?
Okay.
Those were more my thoughts andthey never stopped.
And it was very hard because.
Like mental health is, was notreally like on my forefront.
I had never had anxiety before.
I was never a depressed person.
Even through this whole verydark time in my life, I was

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still not depressed.
I was just so high, like hyperaware, strong.
Like I would call my mom and belike, mom, I feel my heartbeat.
And she's good, that meansyou're alive, right?
I'm like, no, I don't think youunderstand.
I feel it like through my shirt,like I was having these visceral
reactions to what was happeningaround me.
I couldn't catch my breath.
So finally my primary caredoctor said to me, you have

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postpartum anxiety.
We are going to categorize youas this.
You need to get help.
We're going to put you onmedication.
And that really was a tough pillto swallow.
Yeah.
To have somebody say those wordsto me because i'm very outspoken
and I am very close to myfriends and even to my husband.
And nobody knew that this wasgoing on with me.
'Cause it was a, that's a veryinternal thing.

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And I think it was all internalwith the anxiety, it's, it is an
internal mental thing.
I think sometimes with thedepression that can also come
with some physical symptoms.
So that might be easier todetect than maybe postpartum
anxiety.
But I guess I'm just curious.
Yeah.
What did you feel, I know thisis something that you have

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struggled with on and off.
Yeah.
And you've had periods where youfelt like you had a better
handle on it than others.
Do you feel like things help youor hurt you?
That's a good question.
So my doctor prescribed memedication.
And I feel like that took theedge off enough for me to
realize that what I was feelingwas anxiety.

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Okay.
And I think I had to get like awin under my belt.
To know that what I was feelingwas anxiety.
But the craziest thing of it allis that I was on the medication
for a couple of years.
I didn't do therapy at thispoint, and then I got pregnant
with the twins and I went offthe medication and I knew I had
a strong mind and I knew all ofthose things.

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All of those crazy thoughts.
All of those fears were anxiety,postpartum anxiety.
I had the twins I didn't have anightmare for the twins, and so
I was a little sleep deprivedwith the twins.
I was doing all the nighttimestuff.
And once that film lifted withthe twins, all, everything came

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back again.
And it was like a exact repeatof what happened with Vincent
happened again, like twofoldwith the twins, like muscle
memory.
It happened again and it wasworse and it was like 10 times
worse.
Do you feel like, did you know,because you were having a
second.
Out of it.
Do you feel like, because youknew you had come out of it the
first time, were you likehopeful or were you like, no,

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this is too now this is, no, Iwas mad at myself.
'cause I was like, what?
How did this happen?
Again?
S is wrong with you.
You know what this is?
This is, your head is spinningbecause you're in this position,
but yet I still was not mentallystrong enough.
I think that just defines whymental health is an ongoing
struggle to fix it.
I still couldn't fix it,Christina.
So years went by with me havingthis internal struggle.

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And again, nobody would knowbecause everybody looks at me
and thinks, oh, she's got herhead together.
Which I do,'cause I'm stillproductive.
I'm still doing what I have todo.
I'm still showing up for my kidsand for my husband.
But it took up so much space inmy mind to do.
To do this stuff and it's sofatiguing, it was so fatiguing.
So the last straw for me was myphysical symptoms where I would

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get such a stomach ache that Iwould make myself ill, like I
was so nervous every day fromthe second I woke up in the
morning until the second I wentto bed what is gonna happen
today?
And that is such a horrible wayto live.
It is, yeah.
Thinking every day what is gonnago down today?
What is gonna go down today?
And I went back on themedication and I started doing

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cognitive behavioral therapy.
Yeah.
And those two coupled togetherhave improved my life so much.
And I don't wanna say it'schanged my life because this is
still an ever going thing.
Every single day.
I can't just wake up and belike, Nope, I'm good now
forever, because that's nottrue.
That would be lying to you.
So I have to.

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Practice every single day.
Things that keep me on track.
And that is just, the cold hardtruth.
Yep.
And it's hard to think about theold you, because the old me
wasn't like this.
The old me woke up without acare in the world.
The new me wakes up and caresdeeply about every single thing

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that's gonna happen that day.
And I can't change that.
I know it's a very hard shift.
And I think that's my version ofpostpartum anxiety, because none
of this occurred until I was amom.
And I don't wanna blame mychildren because it's not their
fault and it's not.
Them that makes me anxious.
It's everything else.
It's weird.

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It's like just everythingtogether now in this new life
that we have that has createdthis within me, it is, it's a
huge shift for anybody to gothrough.
It's such a huge lifestylechange.
And it was interesting hearingyou say that.
It's all part of growing up too,right?
Like it's a huge shift to getmarried, to have a family, to

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have a house, to have all ofthese responsibilities, to, to
be juggling work, to be jugglinga social life, to be juggling
health of other people aroundyou.
It's a lot.
And so I think for anybody, it'sa lot and I think it's very
relatable to hear that it's, alot of the times it isn't the
actual kids that you bring intothe world.

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It's like everything else thatgoes along with it and trying to
adjust in a crazy world that welive in now.
So that was more so I guess my,mine is more postpartum.
Anxiety.
Anxiety.
I didn't have postpartumdepression.
I didn't have baby blues.
I was always like pretty jovialand happy.

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I, did you experience baby Bluesat all?
No.
You didn't?
No.
Okay, so I know that, so that'sI know that baby blues, I
remember being like a lot ofpeople experienced baby blues,
and I think that's why sometimesthe postpartum depression is a
little bit more hidden as well,because it's very natural for

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women to experience baby blues.
So baby blues, by definition,are described as mood swings,
tearfulness, emotional ups anddowns, that many mothers
experience within the first fewdays of giving birth.
That's what it is.
However, they're considerednormal and short term because of
the big hormonal shift, physicaland emotional shift that happens

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postpartum.
But.
Within one to two weeks theyshould subside.
Okay.
It's when it persists.
After that six week window.
And so my experience, I had twoextremely different postpartum
experiences.
My first, I definitelyexperienced some baby blues, I
think, which I talked about onmy original pretty personal

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series where I talked about theinfertility struggles and that
kind of being coupled with beingin the pandemic and all of that.
There was a lot going on beforeI got pregnant.
And then I had a pregnancycomplication during my first
pregnancy.
And so I think when my son gothere, I was so relieved that.

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Yes, I did experience some babyblues, but they really felt very
physical right?
It was just like coming off ofthe birth, and I felt oh okay,
wow.
That was just a lot, but I don'tthink I really felt them
mentally as much.
Then I did the second timearound, the first time, I
remember those first coupleweeks.
It's just an adjustment period.

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You're not sleeping a lot.
It's just like a huge shift.
So I remember feeling someanxiety and kind of baby blues
around the nighttime.
I felt like the night wouldstart coming and I would be
like, okay.
Okay, we're bracing for arockier night, or, an
interrupted night of sleep.
But I remember that subsiding.

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Yeah.
Within the first, I wouldprobably say the first month, I
felt like that it subsided oncewe were on a schedule with him
and everything just clicked intoplace and I went back to work.
I was feeling really good.
I went back to exercise.
I felt like pretty normal forjust having a baby.
And I felt, after you had Leo,it was like Christina and Leo

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and to, yeah.
I just, I feel back, like hejust followed back.
Yeah.
We don't like the phrase bounceback.
We don't like the phrase bounceback, but I really do feel like
I bounced back and I feltpretty, quote unquote, normal
for the most part.
Oh, it's Romeo.
Yeah.
He chooses you over me.
Yep.
But with my second postpartumexperience, I, it was night and

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day different.
I knew the baby blues were thereexcept they never left.
It was just.
Okay.
Months went by.
I remember getting flagged at mysix week appointment, and it was
also a huge night and dayexperience in terms of sleep
deprivation.

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So with my first, with my son, Idon't think I ever knew what
true sleep deprivation was.
I had what I would now refer toas interrupted sleep.
Yes, I would get up in themiddle of the night.
He needed to be fed.
I would feed him.
I would burp him, I would changehim.
He would go back to sleep.
And so would you.

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I would go back to sleep andthen maybe a couple hours later,
do it again.
We might start the day or wemight do it again.
And it was very predictable andit was just very interrupted.
And as time went on, those wakeup were less and less, and I
started getting a full night'ssleep and we had our evenings
and life returned to normal.

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And so with my second.
That was not the case, which wasmy daughter.
That was not the case.
I experienced what I now knowwas like true sleep deprivation
for me.
I'm sure everybody has adifferent threshold, but there
were so many nights where Ididn't get a wink of sleep.
And then since I had a toddlerat home, my son and daughter are

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only like 20 ish months apart.
I had a very young toddler athome, and even though I did have
people around to help me, I wasstill the mom and I felt like
everybody needed me.
So I never even gave myself likepermission to go offline in any
way.
So there were so many days whereI wouldn't give myself a break.
Even if I had it available, Iwouldn't for guilt reasons, but

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that's also one of thesesymptoms associated with
postpartum depression andanxiety that you can't.
You are unable to turn your mindoff.
Yeah.
So you couldn't, even if you didhave a whole slew of people
there that were saying to you,Christina, detach, I'm here.
And I'm here.
Go sleep.
You actually chemically couldnot, and I just wanna point that

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out to you.
That is so that you Yep.
Cannot, like I had twins, but Ihad no problem saying to my
18-year-old sister, can you comeover and do the night shift?
'Cause I haven't slept in aweek.
That's how I was with my f.
And I went down to the basementand I took my one night of
sleep.
Yep.
And I woke up refreshed.
Yep.
You physically were unable toturn your brain off.
It was so crazy because werespinning even with my mom, like

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my mom was so instrumental inboth of my postpartum
experiences, my mom would comeeven with my son and she would
take over and my son didn'treally even wake up that much,
but she would come over andalleviate both of us and take
the night shift and we were ableto get a full night of sleep.
She would come even for mydaughter and.
I still couldn't sleep.

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It was like, and also mycircadian rhythm was so thrown
off with this postpartumexperience that if I had a
window to sleep, if it wasduring the middle of the day, if
it was somebody giving me thefull night, I couldn't, you
couldn't take it.
It was insane.
I felt insane, and because whenyou're so tired and you finally

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have an opportunity to sleep andyou can't sleep, then that also
started this like cycle ofanxiety.
Because while I was so sleepdeprived and so sad, and so
exhausted and so depleted, mymind wouldn't turn off.
Yep.
And so I just couldn't.
I, there was so much anxietythat was there.
And that was why I couldn'tsleep.

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So I think because I was dealingwith postpartum depression,
there was also like anxiousthings sneaking in there.
So it was a cycle.
Yeah.
It's like one led to the other.
Yes.
And that heightened worry racingthoughts.
Obsessive checking, obsessiveplanning.
Just obsessive over everything.
Do you guys remember when I toldyou the story?
I don't remember what episode itwas in, but I think it was the
letting go of control episode.

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I had a point where my mom wascoming, we had a couple of
family weddings and so my momhad to be with the kids like
overnight while we were at thewedding.
And I remember giving her thislist of what to do overnight
with my daughter when she wakesup because I was crazy in
control of, or I thought I was,but what's crazy is that it

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wasn't even working.
It wasn't even oh, do this andit works.
It was do this so that it mightwork.
And I remember it would be likepat the baby on the back Yeah.
A couple of times and give herthe bke and then, lay her down,
but only on this side, and thenturn her o it was so specific
walk out and make sure thenightlight is only on it.

(27:29):
It was just so hyper controlled,right?
That it.
Like looking back on it, Iremember like seeing the note in
my phone and being like, oh myGod.
When your mom read that note,was she flagged?
Yeah.
I think that it was like, wasthat something that flagged her?
Oh gee, for sure Christina isnot okay.
Okay.
Like I'm saying to you, itwasn't even working.

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It wasn't even oh, do this andyou'll have a very successful
night.
It was like, just do this and wedon't even know if it's gonna
work.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It was just one of those things.
I just think, but I think it's agood example of how when you
have these two things Yeah.
You have these impulsive,irrational thought.
Irrational.
Yeah.
They were, and you're trying tocontrol situations that are

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uncontrollable, and so I thinkthat the first step for me was
once we got through the ninemonths of my daughter not
sleeping.
It was, that was like the firstkind of fog that got lifted.
When I started to experiencelike a true real night of sleep
when it was a little bit morepredictable and I could actually

(28:35):
go to sleep and not worry thatshe was gonna wake up or if she
did wake up, I would know how tohandle the situation if she woke
up it, that was like the firstkind of like breath of fresh air
in this experience.
So once you were able to sleep alittle bit some of this cloud

(28:56):
started to lift only just alittle bit.
Yep.
But were the people around younoticing.
Like, all right.
Christina's not herself forsure.
I think that, first of all, Iwas very honest even at my six
week postpartum checkup that Iwas already feeling like the
baby blues had not subsided atthat point.

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So my doctor had flagged itimmediately she had recommended
medication, but I honestly wasvery wary at that point to take
any medication.
I at that point was hoping thatI would just start to lift out
of it on my own.
And you were hoping it would fixitself.
I was really hoping that itwould just, it was just taking
me a little bit longer and Iknew that the sleep had a lot to
do with that.

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So again, I was really holdingon hope that it would just fix
itself.
And I would say that as westarted approaching like the 4,
5, 6 month mark and stuff, stillreally was.
Not only not fixing itself, itwas getting worse.
Worse, it was because it hadjust been so prolonged at this

(29:58):
point and I was still notsleeping yet.
So I think that was just it.
It was us.
It was cyclical.
At this point, it, I was not onany sort of like regular
schedule.
I wasn't eating well, I wasn'ttreating my body well.
I wasn't able to take care ofmyself.
So I think that it was veryevident to people close around

(30:19):
me that things were off forsure.
I was barely able to have aconversation.
I was barely working it.
It was just, you were a part ofthat.
Like it was, I wasn't right.
I know and I had never said thisto you before.
I didn't know what to say toyou.
I didn't know what to do becauseI was afraid that anything I
said or did would make it worse.
Because I think when you're in asituation like this, nobody can

(30:42):
pull you out of it.
No.
Which is the scary part becauseyou can be mad at the people
around you for not helping you,but yet the same time, you are
the only one that can know Ineed to be pulled out of this.
I know.
It's a lot of, it's a lot ofresponsibility for you to put on
yourself.
It is To have to be the one tobe like, help me.
Yeah.

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And if you think about that,it's a lot of.
Responsibility to put onyourself after you've just gone
through a very like lifealtering event.
Yeah.
And really you're the only onethat can flag and say, no, I'm
really not okay.
And also I wanna do somethingabout not being okay.
It's really just, it's a mentalhealth problem.

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So if you think about any timethat there's depression,
addiction, that's always whatthey say, right?
It's like you're the one thathas to raise your hand and say
I'm not okay and I need help.
And so I think it is one ofthose things where I'm sure a
lot of people around me noticedpeople had said things to me,

(31:44):
but there was really nothingthat could be done.
But what kind of things wouldpeople say?
People were asking like, theyknew I wasn't, they knew I
wasn't, right.
I have talked about this, like Iphysically didn't look okay.
I was very thin.
But what would you say?
I would say, I know I'm notokay.
And I would say that I don'tknow how to help myself.
Like people would offer, myfamily, my friends, what do you
need?
What could I do?

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And I was like, I don't knowwhat you could do.
Because what I need is sleep andI need to take care of myself.
And even if people are offering,like we just said, if somebody
would offer to come and take anight shift at my house, I still
wasn't able, you could notaccept that.
I couldn't accept it.
I couldn't accept the help.
So I think really what it tookwas me getting to a point where

(32:25):
I had to accept the help and Iwanted to accept the help.
I think some of it was me justcontinuing to take it on, and
not really stopping and notprioritizing myself.
And if I even allowed myself tothink that way, there was
immediate guilt and shameassociated with it, which.

(32:47):
It is sad to think about, inhindsight, but it really was the
reality of what was happening tome.
So can you pinpoint a time inyour life where you felt like
you were taking steps in theright direction?
Yeah.
I think it was around the sixmonth postpartum mark where I
said, okay, I want to go onmedication.

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And the medication.
And I did not agree with eachother.
I actually started to it.
It's not for everybody.
I'm a very sensitive person tomedication, which I knew, which
is why I held off on it at thebeginning.
But it did allow me to get somesleep because even though my
daughter wasn't sleeping, I didgo on an antidepressant and it

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made me.
Very tired but it actuallyturned my mind off.
Which was maybe, was that whatyou needed at that time to get
through this hard part?
I still was having interruptedsleep, but I started to get a
little bit of okay I'm tired.
So I was resting a little bitmore, I think mentally.
No sleep To interrupted sleep.
Yes.
Which a big difference.
Which was difference.
Like it was an improvement.
And then I would say that kindof allowed me to at least start

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thinking a different way of justokay, I wanna do something about
this.
Maybe it's not the medicationthat's gonna be the answer.
But I started to be like, I haveto take control of this.
And it at least allowed me tomake steps in the right
direction.
And then I think that naturallywhen my daughter did start
sleeping through the night.

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Which was huge on me.
That just gave me the night.
It also gave me like an evening.
It gave me you got a routine.
I got a routine.
And you thrive on a routine.
Yes.
And so once I had, once I knew Iwas gonna have an evening,'cause
my daughter was somebody whothose are less spiraling
thoughts once you know you'regonna have, do you see what I'm
trying to get at?
Yes.
So what, what was happening tome again, back to the sleep,

(34:38):
which I know I was harping on somuch, but what was happening was
my daughter would do one ofthree things, and I could laugh
about this now.
I would put her to bed and shewouldn't stay asleep, right?
So that would kill my evening.
Okay.
Leo's asleep.
She's asleep.
I get to go decompress on thesofa with my husband.
We get to watch a show, talk,eat dinner, have normalcy before

(35:00):
going to bed.
So if she didn't fall asleep,that prevented that from
happening, which was like redflag number one.
Red flag number two would be shewould wake up in the middle of
the night, so that would be alsoterrible because that would mean
I would be up for in hopes wouldbe one hour.
It also could be several hours.
She might not go back to sleep.

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It might be 5, 5 30 by the timeshe goes back to sleep.
And now I can't go back to sleep'cause my son's gonna wake up
soon so that would be like ahorrendous night of sleep.
Or she would wake up very early.
Like her day would start at fouror something.
And so that would really kill mefor the next day.
So it was one of those threethings was going on at all

(35:42):
times.
So once everything startedregulating itself and I was able
to have an evening, and thenmost of the time I would be able
to sleep through the night or Iwould be able to like sleep in a
little bit until he woke up.
Everything started to fall intoplace.
Like my body started to fallinto place.
I was hungry at the right timesbecause I was actually sleeping.
So I would wake up and I wouldwant breakfast, and then at

(36:05):
nighttime I would be able to eata dinner.
And so it, it sounds so silly,but it was like once things
started getting yeah, into arhythm again, when you weren't
able to do simple things again,very simple things because you
weren't able to sit and eatdinner because by the time
dinner time was coming, you werealready anxious about the
sleepless night that was gonnabe, and I was in survival mode
ahead of you.
And I think that what'simportant to recognize in any of

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these disorders is that when youhave these intrusive, spiraling
thoughts, it doesn't matter whatthey are.
They take up all of your space.
They take up all of the space,and then you're not prepared to
do the hard things.
Like you're not a weak person.
You can do hard things.
But you cannot do hard thingswhen you constantly just have
nonsense, just ruminating aboutyour mind, taking over

(36:46):
everything.
Mm-hmm.
And I think if I had to give mydefinition of what postpartum
depression and anxiety is, itwould be that Yes, I agree with
that.
I agree with that.
And I think that when you have anewborn, there are so many
unpredictables.
Mm-hmm.
And so many unknowns.
And so many fears.
And we also grew up, ormillennials, we grew up in this
age of perfectionism wheneverything needs to fit into a

(37:08):
box and look a certain way andsound a certain way.
And so we have that in the backof our mind.
I've been very honest with youthat I was not personally raised
like that.
My mom and I, my mom didn'treally talk, use that language
around me and my sisters like,you have to be good girls, quiet
girls.
See, not heard.
But yet it was still theculture.
Mm-hmm.
In which I was brought up in.
So now you know, you're tryingto raise kids and you're trying

(37:30):
to provide them organic, healthymeals and have things look good,
sound good, feel good.
It's a lot of pressure.
Lot of pressure.
Yes.
It's a lot of Yes.
Pressure.
Agree.
And you identify as somebody whois a little bit anxious.
Perfection.
And output.
And output.
And it has suiting you, it hassuited you so well and so many

(37:50):
areas of your life.
But I think in motherhood, thattrait is to your detriment.
It's toxic in motherhood.
It's a toxic trait.
It's so true in motherhood.
I, it's so true.
I think that when you learn howto roll with it.
That is probably the greatestgift you could give yourself and
mother.
Yep.
And I, I totally don't you sayagree.
I totally agree.
And I think that some of it doesjust'cause I wanna give hope to

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anybody Yes.
Who's feeling this way and this,I think that this can come in
any form.
It doesn't have to be inmotherhood.
It could just be like thatyou're in a down place at the
moment.
Yeah.
So it doesn't have to alwaysrelate back to motherhood, but
there always will be a momentthat clicks, where you're just
like, you snap out of it andyou, a lot of the times have to

(38:35):
wait until you recognize that.
And that's the hardest part ofit.
Yeah.
And it's just one of thosethings where once you recognize
it and you wanna do somethingabout it.
You're gonna do something aboutit.
Yeah.
And so once I started getting alittle bit of sleep, and once I
started to prioritize takingcare of myself, I was able to
think clearer and I was able tothen make the next move.

(38:58):
It's like just like a list,right?
And I am like a list person.
It's okay, once you do this,once you do A, then you can do
B.
And then once you do B, you cando C and D.
And you know it, it's like itjust, everything starts to click
into place.
And once things started to clickinto place, then I was able to
ask for help and receive it andbe okay with it.

(39:18):
I think it's good that you arereferencing the list to the A,
B, C, and D, because if you arestill in it, if you are still
not sleeping and unwell and youtry to skip a few steps, you're
gonna end up, you can't.
You can't.
And sometimes.
This is a time game.
It's a waiting game.
It's a waiting game.
And that time in between doesnot feel good.

(39:39):
But I think if you justrecognize sometimes that this is
gonna be a hard time.
Yep.
And you will get on the otherside of it.
And then when you get on theother side of it, something else
can come your way.
Maybe you'll be more equippedfor that next thing.
But you have to just take itstep by step.
You have to take it a day at atime.
It's like a snowball in the, ina good way.
In a good way.
Where it's okay, things willstart to build and things start

(40:01):
working because you're on theright path and things start
clicking back into place.
It's really hard when you'regoing through it.
And honestly, I wish that Icould be one of those people
that say'cause my mantra is thisis temporary.
But when I was in it.
It didn't matter that it wastemporary, it was what was
happening right now and it'shard to live in that temporary

(40:23):
space.
If you're absolutely miserableand you're struggling and you
also hope that this would belike the happiest time of your
life, know it's a really hardguilt.
That's back to that guilt andthat pressure and that society
telling you these should be thebest days.
Yeah, technically they should bethe best days, right?
But if you are unwell, they'regonna be really hard days.

(40:45):
They are, yeah.
And you know what?
Maybe they'll be better daysahead and they are they are.
And I think that now that I amon the other side, and we did
say this at the beginning, wheresometimes you take a steps
forward and you feel so proudand then you'll have a setback
where you feel, I think that'sjust part of life, right?
Yeah.
Where it's just things ebb andflow and that's okay.

(41:05):
You also have to learn toembrace that and ride with it
and roll with it.
But I think you're gettingreally good at it.
Even right now in like this newphase that you're in with
preschool drop off and work.
And a little one.
That's a huge change Yeah.
That you've endured this pastmonth and I think you're
handling it really well.
I thank you and I'm proud of youfor even thank you for saying
that.
No, it's true.

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And I think that this could havebeen another thing that could
have set you back.
Yeah.
Back 20 paces.
Yeah.
But it hasn't.
You're like, oh, okay.
It's practice.
This is hard, right?
Yep.
Yep.
This is new, but you can do it.
I can do it.
Like That's really importantthat you've these hard times
that you've endured, haveprepared you for, I don't wanna
say these hard times now, butRight.

(41:46):
New times.
Uncomfortable times.
Yeah.
I think that also, justremembering that every
postpartum experience could bedifferent.
Yeah.
They are.
Ours looks different.
And it's interesting that bothof us had a.
Easier first postpartumexperience, and then harder,
second or third postpartumexperiences.
But that could also be true forthe opposite, where you might

(42:09):
have a hard postpartumexperience, especially like if
you always, this could be awhole other podcast episode, but
like the adjustment from zero toone kids, to one, to two, to th
you know, two, right?
Two and beyond.
Like people have differentexperiences.
And so if you had a hard firstpostpartum experience, it
doesn't mean that you're gonnahave a second hard time

(42:30):
experience.
And so it really is just, it'sdifferent, but it's different
for everybody.
It's different for everybody.
Like closest friends hadpostpartum with the first one.
And didn't know she had it untilvery, very far along.
And her doctor flagged her forher second one.
So she had therapy immediately,like right after she Wow.

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Delivered the second baby.
They started her on Zoom.
'cause they knew therapy.
They had such a close watch toher and I really respect the way
they treated her through thatsecond pregnancy because they
treated it very it was delicate,important and delicate.
And I don't think everybody hasaccess to it and sometimes even
when you have access to it, it'sstill doesn't make it better.
Yeah.
So I guess, but my next questionwould be, and this is

(43:17):
rhetorical, but what would, whatdo you say to somebody if.
You know that somebody that youlove is going through something
like this, or you're unsure ifthey are, but something seems
off yeah.
I think that's a very goodquestion because I, and I even
admitted, I didn't know what tosay to you.
Because I thought anything thatI was gonna say was gonna make
it worse.
And the last thing you wanna dois put another, you don't wanna

(43:40):
task somebody with something andyou also don't wanna give
something a name if somebody'snot ready to hear it.
Like a label.
I see you're going through ahard time.
Do you think you could have babyblues?
Or I need to get you out of thishouse.
I've been there.
I need to get you outta here.
You were one of those people forme where you physically came to
my house, you physically put thebaby in the car and you

(44:02):
physically put the stroller inthe car.
We were like, do you remember?
We were like in, we were at thecoffee shop trying to figure out
how to get the stroll.
You like threw it in the car,didn't even care if it
collapsed.
You were like, we're getting outof the house.
This is important.
So sometimes you just need totry to step up and take over.
I know.
I think when you're trying tooffer somebody something, you

(44:22):
can't ask, right?
Sometimes you have to just doright?
Not what can I get you fromStarbucks?
Here's the Starbucks or what canI get you from Chopped?
Here is the lunch.
Or sometimes you have to like.
Start there with the person.
And just offer a nice, just do Ilike that Nice caring act, and
just do.
Sometimes just the doing is justenough for the person on the

(44:45):
receiving end to maybe open up alittle bit to be like, okay,
that person sees me.
Maybe they see I'm having a hardtime.
Maybe now I can tell them.
You know what I mean?
Yep.
For sure.
So I guess that would be myadvice, is just try to do
something.
And then I think that this is socommon, and then it's another
conversation that I want tonormalize, like I wish was

(45:07):
normalized, just that this isvery common if you are
experiencing this, if you knowsomebody who you think might be
experiencing this, it shouldn'tbe a shameful thing.
No.
And it should be one of thosethings that.
Is normalized.
It's another one of those, Ikeep using the word like
pathetic things that goes on inour healthcare where it's

(45:28):
overlooked and there's notenough information on it and
there's not enough normalizationon it.
But we hope that having theseconversations like gets you more
comfortable with recognizing andopening yourself up and having
these conversations with yourfriends and family.
But if you do suspect that youhave had one of these things,
currently have one of theseissues, please don't wait to

(45:53):
talk about it.
You can talk about it with yourdoctor.
You could talk about it withyour friends and family, right?
Very well said.
Very well said.
Oh, and also, there's no shamein your game.
No.
I'm a happy person.
I'm a vibrant, happy person.
I love life.
I am a lover, a true lover oflife.
And I dealt with this.

(46:13):
I still deal, I still deal withintrusive thoughts and anxiety.
Yep.
But you don't have to be like amopey person or a sad person to
have this.
You could be happy and ha and bepeppy and have this affect you.
It doesn't, you don't have tofit in a box to have habits.
It's, that is so true and sowell said.
And I think that if I haveanything that I can give away or

(46:34):
take away, or if I can shareanything with a listener, is
that you can work through this,you can work past this.
I think different tools work fordifferent people.
Some people it is medication,some people it is the cognitive
behavioral therapy.
To help retrain your thoughtthoughts.
Sometimes it's just like whatChristina said, time and
waiting, step by step.
You were in it for the longgame.

(46:55):
Yep.
I to I That is so well said.
And I think that we cantransition into our pink
spotlight from here because wewanted to keep these on theme
too.
Yeah.
With like maybe something thatyou're doing or something that
has helped you during thisprocess.
So our pink spotlight is ourlike little mantra or tip or
recommendation, something thatyou would tell your friend this

(47:18):
week.
What's going well?
What's working for you?
And.
Mine this week is actuallysomething that I've put into
practice and I can't say thatI've been, it's not consistent,
but I figured out a way tohopefully make it a little bit
more consistent.
But I'm somebody that needs topractice gratitude.
I don't wanna say I'm notgrateful for things.

(47:39):
I am grateful for things, butsometimes I have to remind
myself that I'm grateful forthings because I can get,
especially since dealing withpostpartum depression, I can get
myself all worked up about allthe negative things.
And I need to remind myself ofall of the positive things that
I do have and how lucky I am inmy life.

(48:00):
And i've used the gratitudejournal before, like I've bought
one off of Amazon where I likephysically write.
I think that there's somethingso magical about like pen to
paper and writing it down, butI'm also in a very that's not
practical stage of my life.
I'm not always at my nightstandwhere I can pull out my
gratitude journal and sometimesI wanna dump my brain, right?

(48:21):
Like I just wanna I wanna justwrite it down.
So I made a notes page on myphone.
I'm a big list person becausethat's what works for you.
That's what works for me.
And that's also means that I cando my gratitude at the beginning
of the day and at the end of theday, wherever I am.
When you're feeling grateful,when you're feeling inspired,
when I have, you can share thatinto your notes page you have so
I access to it.
Yep.
So I wrote, I made a separatelittle note on my phone and it's

(48:45):
called Gratitude.
And I have a morning and anevening section, and I have
under the morning it says,today, I am grateful for, and I
feel that out will sharesomething.
I wanna hear something you'regrateful for.
I'll you what I wrote.
Today.
So I said today I'm grateful forthe ability to check on my
health because I did end uptaking our own advice on this

(49:08):
podcast and I did a full hormonepanel and GI Map through
Holistic Health Code.
And I'm waiting for the resultsTott blood work done.
I cannot wait.
I have to do a urine test and aGI map, so it's extensive.
So it's gonna take me the nextcouple of weeks to get through
all of those things.
But I had just done the bloodwork.
And so I'm very thankful that Ihave the ability to check on my

(49:29):
health and i'm looking forwardto knowing those results.
And then it says one thing thatI'm looking forward to and we're
having like a beautiful, sunnyforecast the next couple of
days.
So I'm just very grateful forthe beautiful weather.
The kids and I are outside allthe time and it's just been
really nice.
I need that too, and a reminderthat I want to carry with me
today.
So those are my three for themorning, and I had said to

(49:53):
remind myself that everything istemporary.
I had been feeling like veryrundown.
I thought I was getting sick andI started to spiral oh no.
But I started to feel better andI was like, okay, that's a good
reminder.
Like everything is temporary,even if it's you're sick.
Sick.
It's couple days, it's right.
It's, you'll get through it.
It's temporary.
Because you've gotten sickbefore.
Yep.
And you've gotten better andyou've come outta the other side

(50:15):
of it.
You've come outta the otherside.
There is power in hard thingshappening to you.
Yep.
Yep.
And then in the evening, amoment that made me smile today,
so this was from last night.
I said I actually was holdingLayla in my arms after her
nighttime routine.
Like she has her milk when we'rereading a book.
And I was, this is actuallyfunny that this was last night.

(50:36):
'cause I didn't know what wewere gonna talk about today, but
I was rocking her after we werereading her book.
And I like happened to look downat her and I was like, wow.
First of all, she has gotten sobig.
She is.
She is so big.
Almost.
She's 20.
Is she 21 months?
She's so big.
Something around there.
She's almost two.
She's almost two.
So she has just gotten so big.
Like I looked down at her and Iwas like, you look like a little
girl.
It's crazy.
She does.
And I thought to myself, I usedto be so scared of her bedtime

(51:01):
because I didn't know what thenight was gonna bring.
And.
Now it's literally the best partof my day.
And I didn't even know what wewere gonna talk about today.
So that's just interesting thathappened to my, it was meant to
be.
That was meant to be.
It was meant to be.
And then I share one small win Ihad for the day.
So yesterday, last night, I ha Ihad shared that all my projects
for work were approved.

(51:23):
Over the last couple of weeksI've been doing like a lot of
content creation and I had tosubmit a lot of stuff for
projects coming up.
Yeah, you've been, and I gotlike the green check of okay,
everything's good to go.
And so I was just relieved forthat work kind of
accomplishment.
And then it says, tonight I'mgrateful for extra unwind time
because because my husband haddone my son's bedtime last

(51:43):
night.
Leo's bedtime.
So I got to put Layla to bed andthen who I like extra time was,
I had extra time.
He put Leo to bed.
Leo goes to bed a little bitlater than her.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
So I got like a little bit ofextra unwind time.
Then he came down, we got unwindtime, but I started doing this.
A couple of weeks ago and I'vebeen able to keep it in my
phone.
So what I'm gonna do is I'mgonna put my little format in

(52:06):
the show notes.
You can copy and paste it intoyour notes.
Love, if you wanna do gratitudejournal.
I love what a great thing topractice and I'm not great at it
like I do ha it is something Ihave to do, but I also keep it
running so I don't delete it.
I just put the date and then Ijust keep, and it's journaling.
Two, you're showing yourselfwhat you and I can look back
like now.
I was just able to look back andsee what I wrote.
So sometimes you'll don't showgratitude until something bad

(52:29):
happens.
Yes.
And you're like, oh my God.
I'm so grateful for the air inmy lungs and the fact that I can
go for this walk and why am Ibeing so hard on myself for not
getting to my bar class andlifting those heavy weights?
I should just be lucky that Ican walk.
If you see somebody who youcan't walk.
Yep.
So I think getting into apractice just every day, just
showing these simple things thatyou're grateful for.

(52:51):
I think is a good reminder ofyou putting one foot in front of
the other.
I totally agree.
And this makes it nice and easyand so I don't make it like, oh,
if I don't do it in the morningwhere I'm upstairs by my
nightstand, this makes it likeyou had said, like it's at any
point of the day when you have asecond to fill it out.
Even I think one of the days Idid two in, I did one in the
afternoon and then one a fewhours later for the same day.

(53:12):
But it's like yeah.
You were feeling inspired.
I think when you're any newroutine, you have to work it
into your day and work for you.
Exactly.
So this makes it nice and easyso you guys can do it too.
Aws, what about you's?
So I guess mine is a little bitmore of a mantra, okay.
That I've said to myself overand over again when I wasn't

(53:33):
feeling well and I didn't knowwhat it was called at the time,
but I was just kept saying I'mnot feeling well.
I don't feel well.
I don't feel right.
I don't like this.
I think that if you don't feelright.
I think it's more important foryou to recognize how you feel.
That's like the first step.
Recognize how you feel.

(53:53):
And then the second part that Iwanna emphasize is that you can
change it.
And I always tell myself, youhave the power to change this
before you change it.
You have to sit in it though.
So I just want to share thatmessage with you.
Because every time now that I'mfeeling unwell, that's like my
feeling.
I sit in the feeling okay, Idon't feel well, and then after

(54:15):
I've sat in it, then I tellmyself, but you can change it.
So you can't change it rightaway.
So if I'm sick and I have acold.
Okay.
You're sick.
You have a cold, recognize howyou're feeling.
Okay.
Sit in that feeling in it.
Yep.
Instead of immediately jumpingto fix it, just sit in that for
a minute and then tell yourself.
But you have the power to changeit.
This won't last forever.
This is temporary.

(54:36):
Yeah.
And I think that having powerand knowing that.
Has really helped me and makesit easier to think Yeah, because
anything like I could be hangry.
Okay.
I'm going to eat now.
I can fix it.
I can change it, but I think thefirst step is oh, I'm hungry.
Like just simple feelings.
Simple.
I know.
You have to sit in them for aminute.
Yeah.
Because I think when you're likea cat on a hot stove, like

(54:56):
jumping to the next thing, thenyou never address how you're
feeling.
And then you never give yourselfpermission to understand and
appreciate that you can change.
So I think that second partoften gets forgotten.
Because these feelings are notpermanent.
You can overcome them and youcan change them.
I like that.
So I think that's my little Oh,that's good tip.
That I am so helpful that I'mliving in, yeah.

(55:19):
Right now.
I love that.
Guys, it's been so nice.
I know we've had a lot ofguests.
It was me and t all summer, andthen we had a bunch of guests
the last couple of weeks, so itwas nice to sit and the next
coming weeks, we have guestscoming up too.
So yes, we have some guestscoming up.
We've already filmed them, we'veinterviewed them.
We filmed with Christina's goodfriend Maria Roberts.
Who, if you don't follow her,first of all, she's so cute.
She's adorable.
She is at Maria Roberts onInstagram, and so we said this

(55:43):
at the beginning of the episode,but you've probably sent one of
her mom humor reels to one ofyour friends or one of the, your
friends have sent them to youbecause she's viral all the time
because she's so relatable andso funny, and it's just, we
always say it's like she's oneof us, yeah.
And so we're so excited.
That's a really lightheartedconversation, and she's so

(56:03):
interesting and has such aninteresting backstory on how she
got into this kind of field andof content creation.
So that's gonna be a really funone.
Yeah.
And then after that we have Dr.
Fiona Keho, who is aneuropsychologist, and she talks
about.
A DHD versus mom brain and a DHDand adolescent.
So like in our children and howit presents and what that

(56:24):
neuropsychological evaluationlooks like versus what, when
it's gone, when it's goneundiagnosed for maybe our
generation and how it manifestsin adulthood and what sort of
the differences between havingthat cloudy mom brain, versus
when those thoughts shouldsubside and.

(56:45):
The other things stay and whenit is actually an official
diagnosis.
Yeah.
So we have two really greatconversations.
Those interviews were verydifferent.
I know.
Very different.
Very different, but both reallygood ones.
Yep.
And we wanna hear from you.
We have, we've been getting suchgreat feedback from you guys.
You continue to text us and DMUS episode ideas.
But if you have any episodeideas or any guests that you

(57:06):
guys want us to interview Yeah,we will make it happen.
We're gonna track'em down.
Yeah.
Let us know.
We'll make it happen.
So let us know and it was sogreat to catch up with you guys
and we will see you next week.
See you next week.
Bye.
Bye.

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