July 2, 2025 • 42 mins
Queer media isn’t just representation—it’s history, healing, and a little bit of chaos.This week on Pride, host Caitlynn McDaniel is joined by Ryan Mitchell—culture critic, media multi-hyphenate, and co-creator of iHeart’s new podcast HIGHKEY! From working red carpets with just a phone to landing a billboard in Times Square, Ryan’s career path is anything but typical—and deeply rooted in community, voice, and showing up unapologetically queer.Together, Caitlynn and Ryan talk about:
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- Why Glee is queer canon (even if Caitlynn missed the memo)
- Finding belonging in unexpected places—from the NFL to WeHo Pride
- Podcasting as therapy, queer joy, and holding space for voices that rarely get it
- The wild ride of building High Key with two other loud, brilliant queer hosts
- Why this Pride season feels a little… off, and why it matters
🎧 Listen to HIGHKEY! wherever you get your podcasts.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw media.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It feels good to know that people are like listening
or wanting to be a part and also just like
doing the things to make us feel like heard and seen,
and it's it's it feels really good. It feels really good.
And this feels really nice. Also to be supportive by
community too, so like shout out to you.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Thank you, thank you, shout out to you.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Hello, I'm Kaitlyn McDaniel and welcome back to Pride, Happy
Pride Month. Here on Pride we well, I always try
to celebrate coming out and to do that, I like
to come out as something. So I was debating this
on the car ride over here what.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I wanted to come out as. And I think, I.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Don't know where my guest stands on this, but I
think I'm gonna come out out as a person who's
never watched Glee, which I think said, I know, I know,
I'm gonna I know, I know this. There's a lot
of feelings about that. I'm gonna bring in my guests
so that they can talk about it. I have the
(01:17):
iconic creator host and now one third of Iheart's new
podcast hi.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Key Yeah Almost, And I was like, why would I
be low key.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's high key. You know it's low key hi key.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, Ryan Mitchell, thank you so much for
being on Phine.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Thank you for having me happy. That is a crazy
coming out.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I know, I I honestly thought about not coming out
of that because I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
What I mean that is, like, well, what were you
watching around that time? That's my first question.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Honestly, I need to like dive into like what because
I was just so out of the Glee circle. Okay,
I don't even know what I was doing, Like.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Who's Ryan Murphy?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Literally, and I'm like, I don't I don't know. I
can't explain like what I was doing. Instead, I have
no I have.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Nothing to validate.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh wow, But now I feel so like I really
wish I had because I feel so left out. But
I feel like I don't know how to like enter
this world of forgotten history.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well were you the type of person that was like, Okay,
I'm hearing about it and I hate that, so I'm
not going to watch it. I know it was out
and I.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Wanted, I really in high school wanted to be a
theater person, but I like wasn't ready to like be
that outgoing.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I did like theater club.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And theater class and stuff, but I never did a play,
and I feel like if I had been there, I
would have entered my Glee era for sure, but I
missed that aspect. But yeah, I was never opposed to it.
I think my sister watched it, but I didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That's in the same house. Yeah, it was happening at
the same time.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Wow, she's just behind the door watching it in.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Her life to Amber singing, you know, bust the windows
out your car, like and it was over. Kurt, Okay,
you need to you need to watch this. This is
queer history, that is queer. It's okay, it's okay. You
really can just jump in. Honestly, I feel like it's
just just jump in and like do it, because if
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you don't, it's you just don't know. There was such
a time I remember, Oh my god, So I remember
watching Glee and just was like enamored by this show
because I grew up in the south of Nashville, Tennessee,
very religious and sort of it wasn't the first queer
character that I ever saw, Kurt, but it was sort
of kind of like the beginnings of the first because
(03:43):
the only real first queer character that I saw was
like the grassy next generation Marcos and if you know,
you know, and so like it was so interesting watching
you know, Kurt and this this character Kurt and kind
of not really like relating to him, but like just
seeing this high school experience that I felt like I
(04:06):
was simultaneously like going through and then also being a
theater kid and a choir kid. Like but we weren't
like being we weren't being bullied, Like we didn't have
like slushies thrown at us.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But I've seen that part and I'm just like, there's
just no way that was.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Where are you finding slushies just carrying them around?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I was like, I want, I want to get by
plaies pase.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
That's why I'm like, if I'm being quite honest, I
have a very very big hot take about Ryan Murphy. Yeah,
now this is I feel like Ryan Murphy is basically
white people's Tyler Perry in the sense of like just
their imagination and kind of creating multiple projects and just
like going for a long term and like it could
(04:56):
just be pure chaos, like you don't know what to expect,
and so I feel like when you really think about it,
there's a Venn diagram and they're overlapping.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
They're overlapping, and he just keeps popping them out too.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I know, I so, I know, but wow, what a moment.
We're gonna get you on the Glee train, please do.
We're gonna get you on the Glee Project, which was
like their competition show.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, thing is I watched that? That is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I just had Alex Newall on the show and I
was like, I, I did watch the Glee Did you
tell Alex?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I told them that I watched the Glee.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Project, Okay, but you didn't tell them that you didn't
watch it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Well, Alex, if you were wondering the secrets that I've
seen so much that, like I always lie to myself
because I just consume so much media, you know, through
TikTok and everything that I'm always like, oh, I've seen that,
even though I've not seen it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Actually yeah, but I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Of course, like I know so much about it, not
like having fully watched it. But that's how I feel
about Glee. But I know, I it's not that case
because there's so much law in there.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, it's so much lore. I mean lore that will
literally like shape you like it it, you might be
a whole new queerness watch.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm curious how it'll affect me in my in my twenties.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah versus my teams.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
How it what it could have been? But now, and
I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Think it's ever too late. Like I always tell people,
if you haven't seen Charmed that is a part of
like Charmed og you should always watch it. And also
there's like two people like, are you a Buffy the
Vampire Slayer kind of gay? Are you a Charm gay?
I'm for sure Charmed gay? But I don't know. I
just there's so much about I feel like pop culture
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in general that literally just raised me in a in
a very big way and just is a part of
my DNA and the person that I've become and kind
of become obsessed with culture And now I'm this like
culture critic of all the things and being able to
talk about it in a really beautiful way. But like,
whoever knew that we would be able to actually like
(07:04):
interview people for a li Yeah, it's crazy, right, I
know we would be here in queer media holding space.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
To talk to so many amazing people. Yeah, I mean
it is surreal.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It's really really great. It's really really great, which is
the things that you can expect with like listening to
like a podcast. I feel like I kind of fell
into this world in my journey because when I first
moved to LA, I was working in fashion and wanted
to know more about the entertainment world altogether, and did
(07:41):
some social media stuff and was like, all right, how
do I kind of find myself in this world? Because
at the time when I first moved here, I guess
I didn't really I didn't really see myself. I didn't
know how to exist. And at my job at the time,
when I was like a social media manager kept sending
me to carpet like what Snapchat was like a huge thing.
(08:02):
They were like, go cover this carpet with Jennifer Lopez
for ice Age And I'm like, okay, I'm standing next
to KTLA with a cell phone. I feel like a
loose no.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Literally, one of my first carpets I was interviewing Sandra Bullock.
All I have is my iPhone. I'm next to like
Vogue and I'm like, Hi, sand Like what, yes, I'm
not stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's such a moment of imposter syndrome. And in a
weird way because like they, I felt like my job
kept just putting me in those positions of like, oh,
you have a personality, like you should do this, like
why are you kind of not accepting it? But I
felt like every time I was there, I was just like, oh,
I would look to my left and my right and
no one looked like me, or sounded like me, or
even have the equipment like me. And then also like
(08:46):
I was newly in LA, barely had any money, so
I couldn't dress for success, you know what I mean,
I look's best And so it just was one of
those things where I felt like I thought being a
front of a camera, behind the mic for so long
until like I started to have like mentors, and until
I really got to radio and and being having my
(09:08):
own radio show on the first queer radio station called
Channel Q that was like traditional radio here in LA
and had my own afternoon drive show with my co
host at the time, and Sheer Lazar was my co host,
and she kind of really was like a mentor of
some sorts and really helped me trust my voice and
(09:29):
one be able to listen to my voice because I
was like, girl, I cannot turn the speakers off. I
hate hearing me.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I'm still like that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I still my friend will be like in the other
room and she's like, oh my god, your interview pops
up and starts playing it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I'm like, which I totally understand. I feel like people
give Sarah Jessica Parker a lot of slack because she's
been doing all these interviews for like and just like that,
which that shows insane, but I love it. But she
she always talks about like she's never seen sex in
the City or she still hasn't even watched it just
(10:05):
like that. Yeah, And I'm like, girl, I kind of
get you, like, once you're in it and once you've
done it, I don't really want to ever see it again.
But another side of me is like, well, then how
am I ever going to know if it sucks? Like
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I mean, if you're still discomparting her, like people will
probably tell you period, right, But I agree, Like I'm
always like, oh, I need to improve, I should watch yeah,
like what went wrong?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
What did it? But then I'm like that sounds daunting.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, And so it's just like I've it was a
journey of really kind of like being thrown into the
deep end and just like learning how to make whatever
this that moment was for me and make it work
for me and kind of like learning and failing all
at the same time. And so like, yeah, it's it's
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been so interesting, Like I never really thought I would
be able to be in a world where you could
be your self and being able to like have access
to the people I watched online are the artists I
listened to, and like, I mean, it's it's still kind
of wraps my breath where I'm like, oh my god,
Like did I literally just talk to Lizzo? Did I
(11:13):
literally just you know, like did I just you know?
Was I just hanging out with Paris Hill? And last
like this Pride, Like what is what is the what
is going on? And so it's it's one of those
things where I'm still like, wow, I don't well whatever
wherever this journey takes me, but it took me the
high key. I guess took me the high key.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I love that. And then You're gonna interview more people
on the show.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yes, she's so exciting.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I have talked to Lverne and she's so wonderful. I've
done a couple of projects with her.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
She's been She's so so great. If you're wanting more podcasts,
I mean, I know it's so saturated, but shout out
that us girlies, or at least we're giving you some quality. Gone.
Oh absolutely, But high Key is a culture first podcast
that brings together. Three voice is Benjamin O'Keeffe edy Ali,
season eleven winner of Drag Race. So if you're a
(12:04):
Stan like me, please tune in, because girl, She's insane,
is insane. But we kind of have been talking about
the show, which is so interesting. We've been talking about it, like,
all right, if you're at a party and you're at
the Aftes and everybody drunk, and you might be like
in the corner talking to a new group of people
(12:25):
that you've never talked to, and you might overhear what
they're talking about and you're like, WHOA, that was actually
a really good point. But also does it make sense?
Like that's kind of what high Key. It's like, being
a part of just meeting really cool people that you
want to be friends with after the thing, and also
being a part of the conversation. Because I think the
really beautiful space about what we wanted to create was
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just like making sure black queer voices right now had
a space to like really dive in in a nuanced
way and talk about the thing and talk about culture
and politic and anything that was kind of really what
we're high key about. And so like Ben was kind
of like the person that wanted to really create kind
(13:10):
of a new version of the view for like queer folks.
And I knew Spoke Media, which is our production company,
and they were like, Okay, how can we bring everyone together.
We shopped around and we found Evie, and then once
we did some tests with Evie, we were like, oh,
this kind of like oddly works, like this is like
not no pun it's in them, but like it's kind
(13:31):
of like odd, like this is crazy. And so yeah,
we've we've joined on this journey and we had our
first interview with the Verne Cox. I did my first
one on one, which is one of the reasons why
I said yes to coming on board, not just because
I was co creating it and executive producing it and
all the wonderful things that I've loved to do, but
(13:53):
I was able to go back to talking to people again,
like one on one. I missed that aspect of like
being audio, Like there's something about like connecting with people,
and I know that's I would assume that's probably like
one of your favorite things about doing this show.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Right, absolutely, especially like the long form of actually getting
to like dive into things because you know.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
We've both done junkets. Yeah, that's so hard when they're
like you have two minutes to go to get into anything.
And I love just I just love chitty chatting with people.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I feel like the first well, I don't know if
it was the first time we met, but I feel
like the first memory that I remember was what was it? It
was like a knives out of it, wasn't it. Oh,
would you nail money?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
For glasson yes, glasses yes. And we went through that
crazy obstacle ex that was so oh my god.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I forgot about that and they were like spying on
us on the wall, yes.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And became it like it's like surprise that that was
a great era of like like press kind of kind
of hate that and so like that. But I brought
that up because I remember like they took us so
we were all in a group together because we were
doing interview. We had to do them like so quick. Yeah,
like after yeah, like after it, And so it's it
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can be very hard to like really like connect, especially
if you're getting talent at the end of like a
press moment and they're like exhausted and barely want to
like talk to you. And so it's it's nice to
be able to have a moment, especially when you're talking
to not just the voices that we know and everyone knows,
but like new voices and giving them kind of a
(15:39):
platform to have a space for the next generation of folks,
you know what I mean, Like it can't just be us.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
You know, And I like, I love I hate when
you only get like one question because then I always
just go back and forth on you're like, do you
ask a fun question?
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Do you just say?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
My roommate whenever I asked her, I'm like, what should
I ask? Blah blah blah, she's always just like just
saying gay question mark.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Because it's you have to do sometimes, like so this
shows gay, Like.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Tell us more do you think? Like what are your
thoughts about gay?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Gay?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Please? Love it? Like rap would like, let me give
you a list of.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Which is great. Like I'm like whatever, it's up to
your interpretation.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, yeah, question, But like it's so hard sometimes because
you're like I want to get more.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I don't know where we want to take it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
But yeah, it's just so it's so interesting. I feel like,
and I don't know, have you always been in journalism?
Like was that? Did you know that was what you
wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you that because I didn't
know if you went to journalism school as well.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Absolutely I did.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I went journalism school, like specifically wanted to do that
since senior year of high school, like knew that, went
to school, did the whole thing, got my master's right
after when I graduated. I actually graduated twice the same
year during COVID stop, so the world was kind of
weird at that point, but I honestly went straight into
(17:11):
doing this, So it wow, I was doing this virtually writing,
doing virtual interviews.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But yeah, yeah, that's actually I mean that's I feel
like a lot of this stuff. When I feel like
people ask me like what, like what's your advice or
how you how your journey was, I'm like, honestly, it's
like being it's lightning in a bottle. It's like you
have to be in the right place at the right time,
Like especially because for me, I didn't go to school
for journalism. I didn't go to school for anything that
(17:41):
I'm doing now. And I feel like I've been a
part of creating a blueprint for myself, right, Like I'm
not only just a host, but I'm also I found
myself being the NFL's first LGBTQ brand ambassador and working
with the league and curating more spaces for queer folks
of color to exist and like go to games enjoy
(18:02):
that and I'm not even really a sports fan, Like
that's the crazy bar like and so I'm like I've
been able to like kind of check things off, and
I've realized my superpower is being able to exist in
spaces that I've was once told that I should never exist.
And I've always kind of learned how to navigate that,
whether it's been just community building or just networking or whatever,
(18:26):
or just really just simply being myself. And I think
that is that's the most thing. I'm like, Oh, seriously,
it's all about how you walk in a room. Because
everyone here in LA is trying to low ki do
the same, like we're.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Aw right, you're.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Hustling, and so it's like if you don't know if
you know, if you don't, you don't have to have one,
like one path to do the thing that you want
to do, and it can all just kind of happen
if you if there's a little luck involved into it too,
you know what I mean. I don't know. It's kind
of wild.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It's kind of so when you got your first like hey,
do you want to go do this junket or interview
or whatever, it was like how what was the lead
up to that?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
And why did you know you wanted to do that?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So, I mean, I don't even know if there was
really a proper lead up. I felt like I genuinely
like that. My first job, I was kind of I
was at a job where I worked for this company
called Hollyscoop. It was like an entertainment company. They were
sort of like they had different verticals. They were sorted
kind of like the TMU buzz feed. They don't exist anymore,
so I can say that, right, yeah, yeah, And so
(19:34):
it's so interesting because they were really the owner was
really like all about putting me in front of the
like the camera, like she was like, no one wants
to have traditional hosts anymore. Like they don't want you
sitting there reading a prompter like they want personality and
like maybe you're giving like you're giving that, and I
felt like I completely was rejecting it real hard, Like
(19:58):
I literally like left that job and went into another job.
I was like, Okay, maybe this will be like I'll
just stick to social media management there. And I was
working for another company called Circa and they started doing
a Facebook watch show and they were like, well, how
about you be our social media like correspondent. And I
found myself right back into in front of the camera
(20:20):
and I was like, Okay, maybe there's something here, yeah,
like let me lean into it. And my That's how
I met Cheryl Lazaar and sheer was like, oh, I'm
almost I've been kind of like shopping around this radio show.
And then there's this like new LGBTQ station that's like
about to launch Channel Q. How about you come on there?
(20:43):
Like how about you come be my co host? And
I was like, you want me to quit my full
time job with benefits for a freelancer job. You want
me to do that? And I was like you know what,
why not? Yellow? And like I started doing that radio
gig not making any money that first year. But then
(21:03):
it I feel like it opened so many doors for
me to like meet folks at Paramount or via Viacom
at the time, and they saw me as talent and
brought me in and I started to host some like
doing some recaps of shows. And then MTV was like,
how about you host our VMA after show live from
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Times Square and you'll have a panel and you'll be
able to like talk about all the things that you
love to talk about when it comes to the show.
And I'm like, well, yes, of course I will, Are
you kidding me? And I did that for the Grammys,
and then I did I did it for like three
or four years, and that just was like how did
I even get here? Like a lot of times it's
(21:44):
there was no clear journey to that, Like I didn't
even think it was in my radar. I think a
lot of times queer people forget that we can like
dream bigger than our wildest dreams, you know what I mean.
And I'm like, that's something that I constantly forget about, right,
I'm like, yeah, you can get to point A to
point B, but I'm not even thinking about anything else
(22:05):
that's coming after that. And and That's that's how it happened.
That's how it happened, just like that, Just like that,
Please before you conjure Michael Patrick King knocking on the
door being like you rang.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Well, I did want to ask. I mean, you're talking
about hosting and just being put in these places and
you did we Hope Pride.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yes, Oh my god. It's been four or five years
of me hosting out Loud, which is a music a
queer music festival that is all. It's connected to West
Hollywood Pride, and it's absolutely incredible. I mean that's another
example of me kind of randomly and like having a
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little drop of a moment or connecting with someone randomly
and then be like, oh, we see something in you.
I think there's that's always been the through line. Someone's
like I see something in you. Let's take a chance.
And I've always taken that chance and like created sixty
other changs, you know what I mean. And so it's
been great. I mean this year we had an incredible lineup.
We had Lizzo, we had Remy Wolf, we had Perils
(23:18):
Hilton all headlining. And it's also really cool because I
love the company that puts it on. Because They're all
about JJLA. They're all about making sure that this festival
out Loud is like a queer music festival that's just
going to be just as big as Coachella. That's all
queer folks, no matter what they are. We get a
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place to shine and showcase our music. And it's It's
music has always been very important to me, and so
like being able to host and get the crowd going
and being able to like also hang out with the
artists and interview them later on, is dream come true?
Dream come true?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I think I saw you on Sunday. Oh yes, but
I wasn't sure, and honestly I was. I was disoriented
at that point, and as many were right, it was
by the McDonald's fry truck and I was getting some
fries that I was trying to rejuvenate.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
No, it was so hot, No, it really was disgustingly hot.
We were in a heat wave that I was like, wow,
maybe maybe we should just ruin all like, just in
all pride. If I had to like sweat, like this is.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It worth it? Is it actually worth it?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm telling you, I ate those fries, and I was like,
maybe life is worth living.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I needed something.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, it's only just grown. Shout out to McDonald's. You know,
they came in on the brand day.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
They were there, Yeah, saving us, they were giving out food. Yeah.
But I wanted to ask, do you feel like Pride
has felt different this year?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh, that's a great question. Yeah. Actually, I think it's
so interesting when you think about Pride, because I feel
like there was always like this discourse around like the
corporatization of Pride and how all these big corporate like
corporations show up and change their profile pictures and all
the things. And now that it's there's a reversal of that,
(25:14):
and now that they're pulling the money away, you can
see that actually that's hurting Prides even more because tickets
are being raised because they're trying to afford this sort
of huge celebration and because the backing from corporations are
no longer there. And it's this push and pull of
(25:34):
like do we take the money or don't we take
the money if we want to be around or if
we want to like have a space that's for us
during this moment and celebrate us through all of this
madness in the world. How can we really realistically do that?
And then the conversation around accessibility, around like ticket prices
and all these things, Like it's really complicated just at
(25:55):
that point. But on top of just simply being like
queer and then intersection, aren't that It's it's this year's
been wonky. It's like I'm just gonna stay at the
house and like stay in the house and let y'all
deal with it. Like I don't want to deal with it,
you know.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
And that's exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Like we've been getting lots of comments online and it's
just kind of like, oh, it doesn't feel like pride
all all companies are just doing this to get our money.
Like it's it's felt very like disconnected from like the
joy of everything.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
We're sure, and it's it's I don't even know what
it looks like after this, because it's the crazy thing
is I mean obviously like politically and culturally, like we
still have so much more to go with, like we're
not we're only six months in, you know what I mean.
So it's like there's it's it's it still feels like
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how can we continue to know that, like we can
find our joy in community and in the people around us,
and like in these experiences without it feeling like it's
attached to big brands and they're just taking advantage, you know.
And I think that's going to be an ongoing thing
that we learn over time, because our rights are being
(27:06):
stripped and taken and and and our stories are being
erased when it comes to entertainment media. Like the things
that we loved about the reason why we're doing our
job is being taken away. And so I'm like, it's
it's really really difficult to navigate it, and it's confusion,
and I think it's okay to be confused right now
(27:27):
and just to be like, all right, girl, we I'm
I'm just gonna watch Love Island and let those had
those straight people give me some joy. That's my reparations.
Hot hot men and women working on an island in Fiji.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Right, that's what Well, that's not what pride would be about.
Is just about the joy whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's just sticky out here.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
For you know, especially with everything going on.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I mean here, it's been it's been tricky the last
couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
It don't even feel like la like, it don't even
feel like it's it's really wild. I'm like I'm planning
to hang out with some friends tonight and we were
like this, I think this is gonna be the first
time I'm going out in a minute, because I'm like,
I've just been wanting to be in the house and
play video games, like I don't want to like I
had to deal with any other energy that isn't my own.
(28:30):
And I think I'm just the king of like dissociating
right now, and I think we all should be looky.
But like it's a balance of being actively involved and
trying to know what's going on in the world and
then also like keeping your peace. It's hard, it is.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I've I've been talking a lot about how it was
like I need to get off my phone because the
escapism of like being on just like TikTok and like
things that don't take any of my brain power like
has been way too much recently.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, and it's also hard because we have to kind
of know what we're talking about. With the type of
work that we did, we have to have some sort
of knowledge about what's going on in the world, but
we still got to kind of like replenish our energy.
It's difficult. I feel like right now, what's been really
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like giving me joy is I mean not to be lame,
but like high key, like low key, it's actually been
everything I've I've wanted it more I haven't i haven't
been a part of a project that has felt so
so destined in a way, especially in the responses that
we've been getting in like our first at the numbers,
(29:52):
all the things that shouldn't matter, but like it's reflective.
It's a business when it comes down to it, and
it's like.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Oh, okay, good.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It feels good to know that people are like listening
or wanting to be a part and also just like
being a part of something and building it along with
two other people and like a team that really believes
and shout out to iHeart which I never thought I
would be shouting out a big audio like place ever
again but like shout out to them, they're actually like back,
like doing the things to make us feel like heard
(30:19):
and seen, and it's it's it feels really good. It
feels really good. And this feels really nice also to
be supported by community too, so like shout out to you,
thank you, thank you, shout out to you.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
What do you have? Is there anything big you can
tease that's coming to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Oh my god. I mean we already have like a
ton of guests booked. I have my next interview coming up. Actually,
oh my, I have three interviews that I'm doing this,
one with an author, one with a media maven, and
one with a really incredible musician who I'm so obsessed with.
And they're low key giving el John. So that's a
(30:57):
nice little teach. I kind of hate that, Oh my
god going on.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I love that it came out to naturally practice. I'd
be like, hire him, but like, really, you're already booked.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
No, it's kind of yeah. I mean we're we're We're
doing I'm very very excited. I'm I'm like, wow, this
is what it means. And also, like the really cool
thing about us doing this show and the last little
plug is we have we're starting a Patreon and like
Patreon was like, hey, we love working with creators. They
want to like help us get to a place where
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when we start doing live show and building a community,
the community is already there. And the cool thing about
this project, like that I've ever done, which is why
I feel a lot of pressure around and low key
is they gave us a billboard for like two weeks
in Times Square. I know, I know, I've never thought
I would see my head even bigger?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Did you go see it?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Okay? So I was coming back from Austin because I
did at X Fest, I moderated panel and then literally
had to come right back to do Pride, and so like,
I haven't even been a New York kid to see it,
but we been and Evie went to go see it,
and they face time to me, and we have all
these like Q photos and videos of us like being like,
(32:18):
oh my god, we're on a billboard, even though this
is probably like Evie's third billboard because she's a drag icon,
but you know, it's still it's really special and it's
I'm telling you, if you don't even care about me,
if you I want you to, like listen to the
way that Evie and Ben their brains work. Evie is
so much more than her drag and her art. Like
(32:40):
she's so special, she's so smart, and I think you're
going to see her on the show in a very
different light because we get to deep dive on things.
We get to like actually like have really beautiful, important
conversations and just because we're all black and queer doesn't
mean we're alike. We're actually quite different, and so it's
really been nice to to like have that balance and
(33:03):
to challenge each other. And like we literally we dropped
our fourth episode today and we literally talked about like
our relationships to our fathers, because Father's Day came back by,
of course, and you know, queer people on their daddy issues,
and it was just so nice to unpack this big
idea and talk about like do we want to be
(33:25):
parents and also then simultaneously get into the doja cat
mess of it all. Like there's there's so much that
we're able to juggle and talk about, and it sometimes
just I feel like I leave a session just being like,
oh my god, was I healed? Did I just? Why
was I paying for therapy?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And I could just be I have been saying that
I feel like podcasts are therapist.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I was talking to David Archiletta, and I literally I told.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Him, I was like, I feel like you're my therapist,
like you're healing something.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
After I was like, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It is me With burn Cox, I feel like she
literally we were at the tail end of our conversation,
she was just like talking about love and just feeling
just we ask all our guests what are we like,
what are you high key about? And she was like,
I'm highkey about love and hoping my friendships, my blotonic
people around me who are like lifting me up, and
(34:19):
she almost like she cried and she started pouring into
me about like you know, how don't be cut off
to love? And it was just so special and I
was like, oh, if this is what I've signed up
for work, yeah, sorry, therapist, you're out of a job.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
What I'm saying, I'm like, I think queer podcasts are
the new therapy.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I don't know, because I don't know if we're just
trauma dumpy, so I.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Think it's Yeah, it's a part of the trauma the community,
you know, the just lack of not being able to
say everything that comes to our mound.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
But this is so I mean, I seriously, it's so
cool to see you do this show and see other
really cool, amazing people that you get to like talk to,
and I'm happy to be one of them.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
So I'm happy to have.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
You about it.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I'm so excited to listen to your poost see who's next.
I think I've had one of your guests that you're
going to come well, not on this show, but I've
talked to them previously, so excited to see that conversation.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
But just to close us out, I had a really
embarrassing coming out. So now, if you have anything you'd
like to come out.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
As, oh, okay, it does not need to be as
juicy unless you want it to.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Its true. You did kind of start us off with
a high bar.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Really I had a different one and it would have
been so, like, so different, but I was like, no,
I feel like I have to pull it all out.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Okay, okay, And I already told y'all my addiction to
Love Island, so that's off the table. That's off the table.
I am coming out about. I don't know if this
is going to be relatable to anyone else, but I
am coming out about I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Luckily movie Magic,
(36:08):
you can edit this.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
No, no, no, no, this is good. The build up, like
I'm like, the suspense.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Is killing me. Okay, I am coming out about that.
I think, and this is like due to a new movie,
like a movie that just came out. I think I'm
coming out about I think that all final Destination movies
should be banned because I do not want to ever
see anyone die. And I'm also am the type of
(36:34):
person who literally will watch that and be like, Okay,
so I no longer go outside.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
No, that's real. That's really so.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I'm coming out as a serial overthinker, and because I
take in too much entertainment, it shapes the way I
think about my own life. And if I watch any
Final Destination movie, I want to think I'm gonna die
literally right now.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah yeah, so that No, I agree. I watched.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I didn't watched before I watched the actual movies. I
watched just like the roller coaster scene, and I really
told myself. I was like, I'm fine, I'll be able
to ride roller coasters. I'll never think about it again. No,
every roller coaster I get on, I'm like, honestly, in
my brain, every.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Disney gay should probably watch that movie, so they're no
longer a Disney gay. That's what I'm that's what I think.
It's true.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
I've already come out as a Disney game.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh you Disney gay? Yeah? Yeah, okay, so there was
something that was telling me that you might be a
Disney gay. Oh I don't know that was I was
just something that was Yeah, I was just picking I
was picking up that you might be a Disney know
I am in like a real way, like you love it?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, people, I love I love this like that it's
Disney gay because normally people ask me if I'm a
Disney adult and I.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Don't like that.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
No that, I feel like Disney adults are completely different.
So Disney gay is a little bit more special.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
I feel better claiming Disney gays the title. Yeah, yeah,
I just yeah, I just went to Disney Pride Night.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Wait, how Disney Pride Night.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Honestly, it's pretty fun. That was my second You're going,
I remember, is.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
It even parade? Like? Is it giving?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
What's like? What makes it Pride Night?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So like they do these like after hours events where
they like close the park for everyone else.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
That Disney has an act.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
The after Yeah it's at Disney. But yeah, they do
like a little parade, they do a fireworks show. I
will say, like the first time I went, the biggest
thing was that they played the song from the Greatest
Showman where it's like this is me yes, and so
they do the whole Firework show, and it's like it's
pretty like empowering Disney songs that they're playing. Yeah, but
then like the finale is that one and that's when
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like the castle lights up in rainbow colors, and it
honestly feels like pretty like a pretty big deal.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Okay, I don't know, Maybe I'm coming out now because
that baby just like changed my life.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I honestly I was a cry and I was like,
can I really crying around?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Like at Disney? That's actually are they also doing the
projections on the castle too? Yeah? I would have. I
would have.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I would have given them And then like the rainbow
fire we're going off when this is me and.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
I'm like, oh oh yeah, okay, never it's actually pretty good.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I did.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Also, I had this video that I took a couple
of years ago, and it's Claire Bell, which is the
best character strutting in the parade. She owns it, yes
of course, But I don't remember what the song was,
but I put over it strut from Cheetah Girls, and
it was so good, like it just made so much sense.
I was like, this is this is cinema. This is
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what I have my degree for. Is this video right
here that I made masterpiece. Yeah, so I would say
just for those two moments, Disney Bride.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Is worth it. But other than that, it's you know,
treats and just walking around.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Okay, Well, then next time it feels like I should
only go to Disney with you.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Okay, Yeah, I'll make you a Disney gay.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Okay, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
I don't know if I have that power.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's clay that you are a Disney gay, but never
watch Glee Like that's still I'm bringing you back. Somebody
must do something.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I know, I know, I know there's no hope for
me and that I'm gonna try the thing with me?
Is I also just like I'm like a serial rewatcher
where I just rewatch the shows that I know.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That's so real when someone's like, here's it.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Like you, and especially if they tell me to watch it,
then I can't.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, you get the icky You're like, I'm not going
to do the thing.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
You told me to do something.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, that's that has also been a big roadblock I'm
getting through.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, because once you start it, there's no stopping until
you're at the end, right and and ei there will
be a moment even in the middle where you want
to stop because it does take a point, but you
gotta keep pushing, like you gotta push through it. So
whatever you feel like, there's nothing else in the world
to watch. I mean, I totally get you. I'm a
I'm a rewatcher of charms, like I will turn it
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on in the morning and just like let it play
for the three hours while I'm getting ready. I'm very
much that person. So I get it. I get I
get it. But Glee next time. If I ever come
back on this show, you would have watched Glee by then. Okay,
I think we'll see.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I need to start, like I need to hold myself accountable.
I'll do like a Glee watch with me.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
People, I love you watching it on TikTok. I would
watch you on TikTok while you watch Glee. I will
totally do that. You'll watch it that Yeah, number one
stand Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
For having thank you, yes for being here, and thank
you for all that you do for the queer media community.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Shout out to Tracy. She is really like having a moment.
She is.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
I love her.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I know there was there's no one else that I
think deserves that more than her, Like I saw her
recently and I'm just like her, milk this thing and
who it's over because you deserve like Tracy's been. She's
been so wonderful, she's been a mentor to so many,
so it's like she deserves this moment of shine.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I know I'm ready for Wicked Part two for that reason.
Oh yeah, so good.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Absolutely, But check out of High Key everyone please, and
you can follow me at the Sleigh Guide g A
W Day if you want to the Sleigh g A
W Day. Yeah, okay, anyway, bye, I'm over, I'm getting
I'm getting the
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Eg oh my gosh,
Straw media.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It feels good to know that people are like listening
or wanting to be a part and also just like
doing the things to make us feel like heard and seen,
and it's it's it feels really good. It feels really good.
And this feels really nice. Also to be supportive by
community too, so like shout out to you.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Thank you, thank you, shout out to you.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Hello, I'm Kaitlyn McDaniel and welcome back to Pride, Happy
Pride Month. Here on Pride we well, I always try
to celebrate coming out and to do that, I like
to come out as something. So I was debating this
on the car ride over here what.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I wanted to come out as. And I think, I.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Don't know where my guest stands on this, but I
think I'm gonna come out out as a person who's
never watched Glee, which I think said, I know, I know,
I'm gonna I know, I know this. There's a lot
of feelings about that. I'm gonna bring in my guests
so that they can talk about it. I have the
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iconic creator host and now one third of Iheart's new
podcast hi.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Key Yeah Almost, And I was like, why would I
be low key.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's high key. You know it's low key hi key.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, Ryan Mitchell, thank you so much for
being on Phine.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Thank you for having me happy. That is a crazy
coming out.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I know, I I honestly thought about not coming out
of that because I'm scared.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
What I mean that is, like, well, what were you
watching around that time? That's my first question.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Honestly, I need to like dive into like what because
I was just so out of the Glee circle. Okay,
I don't even know what I was doing, Like.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Who's Ryan Murphy?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Literally, and I'm like, I don't I don't know. I
can't explain like what I was doing. Instead, I have
no I have.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Nothing to validate.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Oh wow, But now I feel so like I really
wish I had because I feel so left out. But
I feel like I don't know how to like enter
this world of forgotten history.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well were you the type of person that was like, Okay,
I'm hearing about it and I hate that, so I'm
not going to watch it. I know it was out
and I.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Wanted, I really in high school wanted to be a
theater person, but I like wasn't ready to like be
that outgoing.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I did like theater club.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And theater class and stuff, but I never did a play,
and I feel like if I had been there, I
would have entered my Glee era for sure, but I
missed that aspect. But yeah, I was never opposed to it.
I think my sister watched it, but I didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That's in the same house. Yeah, it was happening at
the same time.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Wow, she's just behind the door watching it in.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Her life to Amber singing, you know, bust the windows
out your car, like and it was over. Kurt, Okay,
you need to you need to watch this. This is
queer history, that is queer. It's okay, it's okay. You
really can just jump in. Honestly, I feel like it's
just just jump in and like do it, because if
(03:22):
you don't, it's you just don't know. There was such
a time I remember, Oh my god, So I remember
watching Glee and just was like enamored by this show
because I grew up in the south of Nashville, Tennessee,
very religious and sort of it wasn't the first queer
character that I ever saw, Kurt, but it was sort
of kind of like the beginnings of the first because
(03:43):
the only real first queer character that I saw was
like the grassy next generation Marcos and if you know,
you know, and so like it was so interesting watching
you know, Kurt and this this character Kurt and kind
of not really like relating to him, but like just
seeing this high school experience that I felt like I
(04:06):
was simultaneously like going through and then also being a
theater kid and a choir kid. Like but we weren't
like being we weren't being bullied, Like we didn't have
like slushies thrown at us.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But I've seen that part and I'm just like, there's
just no way that was.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Where are you finding slushies just carrying them around?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I was like, I want, I want to get by
plaies pase.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
That's why I'm like, if I'm being quite honest, I
have a very very big hot take about Ryan Murphy. Yeah,
now this is I feel like Ryan Murphy is basically
white people's Tyler Perry in the sense of like just
their imagination and kind of creating multiple projects and just
like going for a long term and like it could
(04:56):
just be pure chaos, like you don't know what to expect,
and so I feel like when you really think about it,
there's a Venn diagram and they're overlapping.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
They're overlapping, and he just keeps popping them out too.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I know, I so, I know, but wow, what a moment.
We're gonna get you on the Glee train, please do.
We're gonna get you on the Glee Project, which was
like their competition show.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Well, thing is I watched that? That is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I just had Alex Newall on the show and I
was like, I, I did watch the Glee Did you
tell Alex?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I told them that I watched the Glee.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Project, Okay, but you didn't tell them that you didn't
watch it.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Well, Alex, if you were wondering the secrets that I've
seen so much that, like I always lie to myself
because I just consume so much media, you know, through
TikTok and everything that I'm always like, oh, I've seen that,
even though I've not seen it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Actually yeah, but I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Of course, like I know so much about it, not
like having fully watched it. But that's how I feel
about Glee. But I know, I it's not that case
because there's so much law in there.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
No, it's so much lore. I mean lore that will
literally like shape you like it it, you might be
a whole new queerness watch.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm curious how it'll affect me in my in my twenties.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah versus my teams.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
How it what it could have been? But now, and
I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Think it's ever too late. Like I always tell people,
if you haven't seen Charmed that is a part of
like Charmed og you should always watch it. And also
there's like two people like, are you a Buffy the
Vampire Slayer kind of gay? Are you a Charm gay?
I'm for sure Charmed gay? But I don't know. I
just there's so much about I feel like pop culture
(06:43):
in general that literally just raised me in a in
a very big way and just is a part of
my DNA and the person that I've become and kind
of become obsessed with culture And now I'm this like
culture critic of all the things and being able to
talk about it in a really beautiful way. But like,
whoever knew that we would be able to actually like
(07:04):
interview people for a li Yeah, it's crazy, right, I
know we would be here in queer media holding space.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
To talk to so many amazing people. Yeah, I mean
it is surreal.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It's really really great. It's really really great, which is
the things that you can expect with like listening to
like a podcast. I feel like I kind of fell
into this world in my journey because when I first
moved to LA, I was working in fashion and wanted
to know more about the entertainment world altogether, and did
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some social media stuff and was like, all right, how
do I kind of find myself in this world? Because
at the time when I first moved here, I guess
I didn't really I didn't really see myself. I didn't
know how to exist. And at my job at the time,
when I was like a social media manager kept sending
me to carpet like what Snapchat was like a huge thing.
(08:02):
They were like, go cover this carpet with Jennifer Lopez
for ice Age And I'm like, okay, I'm standing next
to KTLA with a cell phone. I feel like a
loose no.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Literally, one of my first carpets I was interviewing Sandra Bullock.
All I have is my iPhone. I'm next to like
Vogue and I'm like, Hi, sand Like what, yes, I'm
not stupid.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's such a moment of imposter syndrome. And in a
weird way because like they, I felt like my job
kept just putting me in those positions of like, oh,
you have a personality, like you should do this, like
why are you kind of not accepting it? But I
felt like every time I was there, I was just like, oh,
I would look to my left and my right and
no one looked like me, or sounded like me, or
even have the equipment like me. And then also like
(08:46):
I was newly in LA, barely had any money, so
I couldn't dress for success, you know what I mean,
I look's best And so it just was one of
those things where I felt like I thought being a
front of a camera, behind the mic for so long
until like I started to have like mentors, and until
I really got to radio and and being having my
(09:08):
own radio show on the first queer radio station called
Channel Q that was like traditional radio here in LA
and had my own afternoon drive show with my co
host at the time, and Sheer Lazar was my co host,
and she kind of really was like a mentor of
some sorts and really helped me trust my voice and
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one be able to listen to my voice because I
was like, girl, I cannot turn the speakers off. I
hate hearing me.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I'm still like that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I still my friend will be like in the other
room and she's like, oh my god, your interview pops
up and starts playing it.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I'm like, which I totally understand. I feel like people
give Sarah Jessica Parker a lot of slack because she's
been doing all these interviews for like and just like that,
which that shows insane, but I love it. But she
she always talks about like she's never seen sex in
the City or she still hasn't even watched it just
(10:05):
like that. Yeah, And I'm like, girl, I kind of
get you, like, once you're in it and once you've
done it, I don't really want to ever see it again.
But another side of me is like, well, then how
am I ever going to know if it sucks? Like
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I mean, if you're still discomparting her, like people will
probably tell you period, right, But I agree, Like I'm
always like, oh, I need to improve, I should watch yeah,
like what went wrong?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
What did it? But then I'm like that sounds daunting.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, And so it's just like I've it was a
journey of really kind of like being thrown into the
deep end and just like learning how to make whatever
this that moment was for me and make it work
for me and kind of like learning and failing all
at the same time. And so like, yeah, it's it's
(10:53):
been so interesting, Like I never really thought I would
be able to be in a world where you could
be your self and being able to like have access
to the people I watched online are the artists I
listened to, and like, I mean, it's it's still kind
of wraps my breath where I'm like, oh my god,
Like did I literally just talk to Lizzo? Did I
(11:13):
literally just you know, like did I just you know?
Was I just hanging out with Paris Hill? And last
like this Pride, Like what is what is the what
is going on? And so it's it's one of those
things where I'm still like, wow, I don't well whatever
wherever this journey takes me, but it took me the
high key. I guess took me the high key.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I love that. And then You're gonna interview more people
on the show.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yes, she's so exciting.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I have talked to Lverne and she's so wonderful. I've
done a couple of projects with her.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
She's been She's so so great. If you're wanting more podcasts,
I mean, I know it's so saturated, but shout out
that us girlies, or at least we're giving you some quality. Gone.
Oh absolutely, But high Key is a culture first podcast
that brings together. Three voice is Benjamin O'Keeffe edy Ali,
season eleven winner of Drag Race. So if you're a
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Stan like me, please tune in, because girl, She's insane,
is insane. But we kind of have been talking about
the show, which is so interesting. We've been talking about it, like,
all right, if you're at a party and you're at
the Aftes and everybody drunk, and you might be like
in the corner talking to a new group of people
(12:25):
that you've never talked to, and you might overhear what
they're talking about and you're like, WHOA, that was actually
a really good point. But also does it make sense?
Like that's kind of what high Key. It's like, being
a part of just meeting really cool people that you
want to be friends with after the thing, and also
being a part of the conversation. Because I think the
really beautiful space about what we wanted to create was
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just like making sure black queer voices right now had
a space to like really dive in in a nuanced
way and talk about the thing and talk about culture
and politic and anything that was kind of really what
we're high key about. And so like Ben was kind
of like the person that wanted to really create kind
(13:10):
of a new version of the view for like queer folks.
And I knew Spoke Media, which is our production company,
and they were like, Okay, how can we bring everyone together.
We shopped around and we found Evie, and then once
we did some tests with Evie, we were like, oh,
this kind of like oddly works, like this is like
not no pun it's in them, but like it's kind
(13:31):
of like odd, like this is crazy. And so yeah,
we've we've joined on this journey and we had our
first interview with the Verne Cox. I did my first
one on one, which is one of the reasons why
I said yes to coming on board, not just because
I was co creating it and executive producing it and
all the wonderful things that I've loved to do, but
(13:53):
I was able to go back to talking to people again,
like one on one. I missed that aspect of like
being audio, Like there's something about like connecting with people,
and I know that's I would assume that's probably like
one of your favorite things about doing this show.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Right, absolutely, especially like the long form of actually getting
to like dive into things because you know.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
We've both done junkets. Yeah, that's so hard when they're
like you have two minutes to go to get into anything.
And I love just I just love chitty chatting with people.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I feel like the first well, I don't know if
it was the first time we met, but I feel
like the first memory that I remember was what was it? It
was like a knives out of it, wasn't it. Oh,
would you nail money?
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
For glasson yes, glasses yes. And we went through that
crazy obstacle ex that was so oh my god.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I forgot about that and they were like spying on
us on the wall, yes.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And became it like it's like surprise that that was
a great era of like like press kind of kind
of hate that and so like that. But I brought
that up because I remember like they took us so
we were all in a group together because we were
doing interview. We had to do them like so quick. Yeah,
like after yeah, like after it, And so it's it
(15:19):
can be very hard to like really like connect, especially
if you're getting talent at the end of like a
press moment and they're like exhausted and barely want to
like talk to you. And so it's it's nice to
be able to have a moment, especially when you're talking
to not just the voices that we know and everyone knows,
but like new voices and giving them kind of a
(15:39):
platform to have a space for the next generation of folks,
you know what I mean, Like it can't just be us.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
You know, And I like, I love I hate when
you only get like one question because then I always
just go back and forth on you're like, do you
ask a fun question?
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Do you just say?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
My roommate whenever I asked her, I'm like, what should
I ask? Blah blah blah, she's always just like just
saying gay question mark.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Because it's you have to do sometimes, like so this
shows gay, Like.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Tell us more do you think? Like what are your
thoughts about gay?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Gay?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Please? Love it? Like rap would like, let me give
you a list of.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Which is great. Like I'm like whatever, it's up to
your interpretation.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, yeah, question, But like it's so hard sometimes because
you're like I want to get more.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I don't know where we want to take it.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
But yeah, it's just so it's so interesting. I feel like,
and I don't know, have you always been in journalism?
Like was that? Did you know that was what you
wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I was gonna ask you that because I didn't
know if you went to journalism school as well.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Absolutely I did.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I went journalism school, like specifically wanted to do that
since senior year of high school, like knew that, went
to school, did the whole thing, got my master's right
after when I graduated. I actually graduated twice the same
year during COVID stop, so the world was kind of
weird at that point, but I honestly went straight into
(17:11):
doing this, So it wow, I was doing this virtually writing,
doing virtual interviews.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
But yeah, yeah, that's actually I mean that's I feel
like a lot of this stuff. When I feel like
people ask me like what, like what's your advice or
how you how your journey was, I'm like, honestly, it's
like being it's lightning in a bottle. It's like you
have to be in the right place at the right time,
Like especially because for me, I didn't go to school
for journalism. I didn't go to school for anything that
(17:41):
I'm doing now. And I feel like I've been a
part of creating a blueprint for myself, right, Like I'm
not only just a host, but I'm also I found
myself being the NFL's first LGBTQ brand ambassador and working
with the league and curating more spaces for queer folks
of color to exist and like go to games enjoy
(18:02):
that and I'm not even really a sports fan, Like
that's the crazy bar like and so I'm like I've
been able to like kind of check things off, and
I've realized my superpower is being able to exist in
spaces that I've was once told that I should never exist.
And I've always kind of learned how to navigate that,
whether it's been just community building or just networking or whatever,
(18:26):
or just really just simply being myself. And I think
that is that's the most thing. I'm like, Oh, seriously,
it's all about how you walk in a room. Because
everyone here in LA is trying to low ki do
the same, like we're.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Aw right, you're.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Hustling, and so it's like if you don't know if
you know, if you don't, you don't have to have one,
like one path to do the thing that you want
to do, and it can all just kind of happen
if you if there's a little luck involved into it too,
you know what I mean. I don't know. It's kind
of wild.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It's kind of so when you got your first like hey,
do you want to go do this junket or interview
or whatever, it was like how what was the lead
up to that?
Speaker 4 (19:08):
And why did you know you wanted to do that?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So, I mean, I don't even know if there was
really a proper lead up. I felt like I genuinely
like that. My first job, I was kind of I
was at a job where I worked for this company
called Hollyscoop. It was like an entertainment company. They were
sort of like they had different verticals. They were sorted
kind of like the TMU buzz feed. They don't exist anymore,
so I can say that, right, yeah, yeah, And so
(19:34):
it's so interesting because they were really the owner was
really like all about putting me in front of the
like the camera, like she was like, no one wants
to have traditional hosts anymore. Like they don't want you
sitting there reading a prompter like they want personality and
like maybe you're giving like you're giving that, and I
felt like I completely was rejecting it real hard, Like
(19:58):
I literally like left that job and went into another job.
I was like, Okay, maybe this will be like I'll
just stick to social media management there. And I was
working for another company called Circa and they started doing
a Facebook watch show and they were like, well, how
about you be our social media like correspondent. And I
found myself right back into in front of the camera
(20:20):
and I was like, Okay, maybe there's something here, yeah,
like let me lean into it. And my That's how
I met Cheryl Lazaar and sheer was like, oh, I'm
almost I've been kind of like shopping around this radio show.
And then there's this like new LGBTQ station that's like
about to launch Channel Q. How about you come on there?
(20:43):
Like how about you come be my co host? And
I was like, you want me to quit my full
time job with benefits for a freelancer job. You want
me to do that? And I was like you know what,
why not? Yellow? And like I started doing that radio
gig not making any money that first year. But then
(21:03):
it I feel like it opened so many doors for
me to like meet folks at Paramount or via Viacom
at the time, and they saw me as talent and
brought me in and I started to host some like
doing some recaps of shows. And then MTV was like,
how about you host our VMA after show live from
(21:24):
Times Square and you'll have a panel and you'll be
able to like talk about all the things that you
love to talk about when it comes to the show.
And I'm like, well, yes, of course I will, Are
you kidding me? And I did that for the Grammys,
and then I did I did it for like three
or four years, and that just was like how did
I even get here? Like a lot of times it's
(21:44):
there was no clear journey to that, Like I didn't
even think it was in my radar. I think a
lot of times queer people forget that we can like
dream bigger than our wildest dreams, you know what I mean.
And I'm like, that's something that I constantly forget about, right,
I'm like, yeah, you can get to point A to
point B, but I'm not even thinking about anything else
(22:05):
that's coming after that. And and That's that's how it happened.
That's how it happened, just like that, Just like that,
Please before you conjure Michael Patrick King knocking on the
door being like you rang.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Well, I did want to ask. I mean, you're talking
about hosting and just being put in these places and
you did we Hope Pride.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yes, Oh my god. It's been four or five years
of me hosting out Loud, which is a music a
queer music festival that is all. It's connected to West
Hollywood Pride, and it's absolutely incredible. I mean that's another
example of me kind of randomly and like having a
(22:56):
little drop of a moment or connecting with someone randomly
and then be like, oh, we see something in you.
I think there's that's always been the through line. Someone's
like I see something in you. Let's take a chance.
And I've always taken that chance and like created sixty
other changs, you know what I mean. And so it's
been great. I mean this year we had an incredible lineup.
We had Lizzo, we had Remy Wolf, we had Perils
(23:18):
Hilton all headlining. And it's also really cool because I
love the company that puts it on. Because They're all
about JJLA. They're all about making sure that this festival
out Loud is like a queer music festival that's just
going to be just as big as Coachella. That's all
queer folks, no matter what they are. We get a
(23:40):
place to shine and showcase our music. And it's It's
music has always been very important to me, and so
like being able to host and get the crowd going
and being able to like also hang out with the
artists and interview them later on, is dream come true?
Dream come true?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I think I saw you on Sunday. Oh yes, but
I wasn't sure, and honestly I was. I was disoriented
at that point, and as many were right, it was
by the McDonald's fry truck and I was getting some
fries that I was trying to rejuvenate.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
No, it was so hot, No, it really was disgustingly hot.
We were in a heat wave that I was like, wow,
maybe maybe we should just ruin all like, just in
all pride. If I had to like sweat, like this is.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It worth it? Is it actually worth it?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm telling you, I ate those fries, and I was like,
maybe life is worth living.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I needed something.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, it's only just grown. Shout out to McDonald's. You know,
they came in on the brand day.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
They were there, Yeah, saving us, they were giving out food. Yeah.
But I wanted to ask, do you feel like Pride
has felt different this year?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh, that's a great question. Yeah. Actually, I think it's
so interesting when you think about Pride, because I feel
like there was always like this discourse around like the
corporatization of Pride and how all these big corporate like
corporations show up and change their profile pictures and all
the things. And now that it's there's a reversal of that,
(25:14):
and now that they're pulling the money away, you can
see that actually that's hurting Prides even more because tickets
are being raised because they're trying to afford this sort
of huge celebration and because the backing from corporations are
no longer there. And it's this push and pull of
(25:34):
like do we take the money or don't we take
the money if we want to be around or if
we want to like have a space that's for us
during this moment and celebrate us through all of this
madness in the world. How can we really realistically do that?
And then the conversation around accessibility, around like ticket prices
and all these things, Like it's really complicated just at
(25:55):
that point. But on top of just simply being like
queer and then intersection, aren't that It's it's this year's
been wonky. It's like I'm just gonna stay at the
house and like stay in the house and let y'all
deal with it. Like I don't want to deal with it,
you know.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
And that's exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Like we've been getting lots of comments online and it's
just kind of like, oh, it doesn't feel like pride
all all companies are just doing this to get our money.
Like it's it's felt very like disconnected from like the
joy of everything.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
We're sure, and it's it's I don't even know what
it looks like after this, because it's the crazy thing
is I mean obviously like politically and culturally, like we
still have so much more to go with, like we're
not we're only six months in, you know what I mean.
So it's like there's it's it's it still feels like
(26:45):
how can we continue to know that, like we can
find our joy in community and in the people around us,
and like in these experiences without it feeling like it's
attached to big brands and they're just taking advantage, you know.
And I think that's going to be an ongoing thing
that we learn over time, because our rights are being
(27:06):
stripped and taken and and and our stories are being
erased when it comes to entertainment media. Like the things
that we loved about the reason why we're doing our
job is being taken away. And so I'm like, it's
it's really really difficult to navigate it, and it's confusion,
and I think it's okay to be confused right now
(27:27):
and just to be like, all right, girl, we I'm
I'm just gonna watch Love Island and let those had
those straight people give me some joy. That's my reparations.
Hot hot men and women working on an island in Fiji.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Right, that's what Well, that's not what pride would be about.
Is just about the joy whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's just sticky out here.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
For you know, especially with everything going on.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I mean here, it's been it's been tricky the last
couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
It don't even feel like la like, it don't even
feel like it's it's really wild. I'm like I'm planning
to hang out with some friends tonight and we were
like this, I think this is gonna be the first
time I'm going out in a minute, because I'm like,
I've just been wanting to be in the house and
play video games, like I don't want to like I
had to deal with any other energy that isn't my own.
(28:30):
And I think I'm just the king of like dissociating
right now, and I think we all should be looky.
But like it's a balance of being actively involved and
trying to know what's going on in the world and
then also like keeping your peace. It's hard, it is.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I've I've been talking a lot about how it was
like I need to get off my phone because the
escapism of like being on just like TikTok and like
things that don't take any of my brain power like
has been way too much recently.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, and it's also hard because we have to kind
of know what we're talking about. With the type of
work that we did, we have to have some sort
of knowledge about what's going on in the world, but
we still got to kind of like replenish our energy.
It's difficult. I feel like right now, what's been really
(29:29):
like giving me joy is I mean not to be lame,
but like high key, like low key, it's actually been
everything I've I've wanted it more I haven't i haven't
been a part of a project that has felt so
so destined in a way, especially in the responses that
we've been getting in like our first at the numbers,
(29:52):
all the things that shouldn't matter, but like it's reflective.
It's a business when it comes down to it, and
it's like.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Oh, okay, good.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It feels good to know that people are like listening
or wanting to be a part and also just like
being a part of something and building it along with
two other people and like a team that really believes
and shout out to iHeart which I never thought I
would be shouting out a big audio like place ever
again but like shout out to them, they're actually like back,
like doing the things to make us feel like heard
(30:19):
and seen, and it's it's it feels really good. It
feels really good. And this feels really nice also to
be supported by community too, so like shout out to you,
thank you, thank you, shout out to you.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
What do you have? Is there anything big you can
tease that's coming to the podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Oh my god. I mean we already have like a
ton of guests booked. I have my next interview coming up. Actually,
oh my, I have three interviews that I'm doing this,
one with an author, one with a media maven, and
one with a really incredible musician who I'm so obsessed with.
And they're low key giving el John. So that's a
(30:57):
nice little teach. I kind of hate that, Oh my
god going on.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
I love that it came out to naturally practice. I'd
be like, hire him, but like, really, you're already booked.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
No, it's kind of yeah. I mean we're we're We're
doing I'm very very excited. I'm I'm like, wow, this
is what it means. And also, like the really cool
thing about us doing this show and the last little
plug is we have we're starting a Patreon and like
Patreon was like, hey, we love working with creators. They
want to like help us get to a place where
(31:37):
when we start doing live show and building a community,
the community is already there. And the cool thing about
this project, like that I've ever done, which is why
I feel a lot of pressure around and low key
is they gave us a billboard for like two weeks
in Times Square. I know, I know, I've never thought
I would see my head even bigger?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Did you go see it?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Okay? So I was coming back from Austin because I
did at X Fest, I moderated panel and then literally
had to come right back to do Pride, and so like,
I haven't even been a New York kid to see it,
but we been and Evie went to go see it,
and they face time to me, and we have all
these like Q photos and videos of us like being like,
(32:18):
oh my god, we're on a billboard, even though this
is probably like Evie's third billboard because she's a drag icon,
but you know, it's still it's really special and it's
I'm telling you, if you don't even care about me,
if you I want you to, like listen to the
way that Evie and Ben their brains work. Evie is
so much more than her drag and her art. Like
(32:40):
she's so special, she's so smart, and I think you're
going to see her on the show in a very
different light because we get to deep dive on things.
We get to like actually like have really beautiful, important
conversations and just because we're all black and queer doesn't
mean we're alike. We're actually quite different, and so it's
really been nice to to like have that balance and
(33:03):
to challenge each other. And like we literally we dropped
our fourth episode today and we literally talked about like
our relationships to our fathers, because Father's Day came back by,
of course, and you know, queer people on their daddy issues,
and it was just so nice to unpack this big
idea and talk about like do we want to be
(33:25):
parents and also then simultaneously get into the doja cat
mess of it all. Like there's there's so much that
we're able to juggle and talk about, and it sometimes
just I feel like I leave a session just being like,
oh my god, was I healed? Did I just? Why
was I paying for therapy?
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And I could just be I have been saying that
I feel like podcasts are therapist.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I was talking to David Archiletta, and I literally I told.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Him, I was like, I feel like you're my therapist,
like you're healing something.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
After I was like, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It is me With burn Cox, I feel like she
literally we were at the tail end of our conversation,
she was just like talking about love and just feeling
just we ask all our guests what are we like,
what are you high key about? And she was like,
I'm highkey about love and hoping my friendships, my blotonic
people around me who are like lifting me up, and
(34:19):
she almost like she cried and she started pouring into
me about like you know, how don't be cut off
to love? And it was just so special and I
was like, oh, if this is what I've signed up
for work, yeah, sorry, therapist, you're out of a job.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
What I'm saying, I'm like, I think queer podcasts are
the new therapy.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I don't know, because I don't know if we're just
trauma dumpy, so I.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Think it's Yeah, it's a part of the trauma the community,
you know, the just lack of not being able to
say everything that comes to our mound.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
But this is so I mean, I seriously, it's so
cool to see you do this show and see other
really cool, amazing people that you get to like talk to,
and I'm happy to be one of them.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
So I'm happy to have.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
You about it.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I'm so excited to listen to your poost see who's next.
I think I've had one of your guests that you're
going to come well, not on this show, but I've
talked to them previously, so excited to see that conversation.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
But just to close us out, I had a really
embarrassing coming out. So now, if you have anything you'd
like to come out.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
As, oh, okay, it does not need to be as
juicy unless you want it to.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Its true. You did kind of start us off with
a high bar.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Really I had a different one and it would have
been so, like, so different, but I was like, no,
I feel like I have to pull it all out.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Okay, okay, And I already told y'all my addiction to
Love Island, so that's off the table. That's off the table.
I am coming out about. I don't know if this
is going to be relatable to anyone else, but I
am coming out about I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Luckily movie Magic,
(36:08):
you can edit this.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
No, no, no, no, this is good. The build up, like
I'm like, the suspense.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Is killing me. Okay, I am coming out about that.
I think, and this is like due to a new movie,
like a movie that just came out. I think I'm
coming out about I think that all final Destination movies
should be banned because I do not want to ever
see anyone die. And I'm also am the type of
(36:34):
person who literally will watch that and be like, Okay,
so I no longer go outside.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
No, that's real. That's really so.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
I'm coming out as a serial overthinker, and because I
take in too much entertainment, it shapes the way I
think about my own life. And if I watch any
Final Destination movie, I want to think I'm gonna die
literally right now.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah yeah, so that No, I agree. I watched.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I didn't watched before I watched the actual movies. I
watched just like the roller coaster scene, and I really
told myself. I was like, I'm fine, I'll be able
to ride roller coasters. I'll never think about it again. No,
every roller coaster I get on, I'm like, honestly, in
my brain, every.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Disney gay should probably watch that movie, so they're no
longer a Disney gay. That's what I'm that's what I think.
It's true.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
I've already come out as a Disney game.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh you Disney gay? Yeah? Yeah, okay, so there was
something that was telling me that you might be a
Disney gay. Oh I don't know that was I was
just something that was Yeah, I was just picking I
was picking up that you might be a Disney know
I am in like a real way, like you love it?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, people, I love I love this like that it's
Disney gay because normally people ask me if I'm a
Disney adult and I.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Don't like that.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
No that, I feel like Disney adults are completely different.
So Disney gay is a little bit more special.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
I feel better claiming Disney gays the title. Yeah, yeah,
I just yeah, I just went to Disney Pride Night.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Wait, how Disney Pride Night.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Honestly, it's pretty fun. That was my second You're going,
I remember, is.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
It even parade? Like? Is it giving?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (38:08):
What's like? What makes it Pride Night?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So like they do these like after hours events where
they like close the park for everyone else.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
That Disney has an act.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
The after Yeah it's at Disney. But yeah, they do
like a little parade, they do a fireworks show. I
will say, like the first time I went, the biggest
thing was that they played the song from the Greatest
Showman where it's like this is me yes, and so
they do the whole Firework show, and it's like it's
pretty like empowering Disney songs that they're playing. Yeah, but
then like the finale is that one and that's when
(38:41):
like the castle lights up in rainbow colors, and it
honestly feels like pretty like a pretty big deal.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Okay, I don't know, Maybe I'm coming out now because
that baby just like changed my life.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I honestly I was a cry and I was like,
can I really crying around?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Like at Disney? That's actually are they also doing the
projections on the castle too? Yeah? I would have. I
would have.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I would have given them And then like the rainbow
fire we're going off when this is me and.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
I'm like, oh oh yeah, okay, never it's actually pretty good.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I did.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Also, I had this video that I took a couple
of years ago, and it's Claire Bell, which is the
best character strutting in the parade. She owns it, yes
of course, But I don't remember what the song was,
but I put over it strut from Cheetah Girls, and
it was so good, like it just made so much sense.
I was like, this is this is cinema. This is
(39:34):
what I have my degree for. Is this video right
here that I made masterpiece. Yeah, so I would say
just for those two moments, Disney Bride.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Is worth it. But other than that, it's you know,
treats and just walking around.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Okay, Well, then next time it feels like I should
only go to Disney with you.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Okay, Yeah, I'll make you a Disney gay.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Okay, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
I don't know if I have that power.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's clay that you are a Disney gay, but never
watch Glee Like that's still I'm bringing you back. Somebody
must do something.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I know, I know, I know there's no hope for
me and that I'm gonna try the thing with me?
Is I also just like I'm like a serial rewatcher
where I just rewatch the shows that I know.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That's so real when someone's like, here's it.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Like you, and especially if they tell me to watch it,
then I can't.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, you get the icky You're like, I'm not going
to do the thing.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
You told me to do something.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, that's that has also been a big roadblock I'm
getting through.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, because once you start it, there's no stopping until
you're at the end, right and and ei there will
be a moment even in the middle where you want
to stop because it does take a point, but you
gotta keep pushing, like you gotta push through it. So
whatever you feel like, there's nothing else in the world
to watch. I mean, I totally get you. I'm a
I'm a rewatcher of charms, like I will turn it
(40:58):
on in the morning and just like let it play
for the three hours while I'm getting ready. I'm very
much that person. So I get it. I get I
get it. But Glee next time. If I ever come
back on this show, you would have watched Glee by then. Okay,
I think we'll see.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
I need to start, like I need to hold myself accountable.
I'll do like a Glee watch with me.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
People, I love you watching it on TikTok. I would
watch you on TikTok while you watch Glee. I will
totally do that. You'll watch it that Yeah, number one
stand Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
For having thank you, yes for being here, and thank
you for all that you do for the queer media community.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Shout out to Tracy. She is really like having a moment.
She is.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
I love her.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I know there was there's no one else that I
think deserves that more than her, Like I saw her
recently and I'm just like her, milk this thing and
who it's over because you deserve like Tracy's been. She's
been so wonderful, she's been a mentor to so many,
so it's like she deserves this moment of shine.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I know I'm ready for Wicked Part two for that reason.
Oh yeah, so good.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Absolutely, But check out of High Key everyone please, and
you can follow me at the Sleigh Guide g A
W Day if you want to the Sleigh g A
W Day. Yeah, okay, anyway, bye, I'm over, I'm getting
I'm getting the
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Eg oh my gosh,
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