October 25, 2024 • 46 mins
Join us as we dive into the inspiring journey of Issy Watson, a hybrid athlete and Guinness World Record holder for the most chest-to-ground burpees in one hour.
We’ll explore Issy’s foray into a carnivore and animal based diet and the challenges of ultra-running, including training through a foot injury and completing a 50-mile race.
We discuss the importance of personalized nutrition/training strategies and share tips about training low carb for endurance races.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Primal Foundations podcast.
I'm your host, Tony Pascola.
We will dive into what Ibelieve are the four central
foundations you need for ahealthy lifestyle Strength,
nutrition, movement and recovery.
Get ready to unlock your pathto optimal health and enjoy the
episode.
Today's guest is Issy Watson.
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Issy is a hybrid athlete thatfollows a carnivore diet to help
heal autoimmune issues as wellas improve sports performance.
Issy is also an enduranceathlete and current female
Guinness World Record holder formost chest to ground burpees in
one hour, with a total of 829reps.
Issy, welcome to the PrimalFoundations podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I told you off air, I'm all down for hard stuff, but
what the heck made you evenwant to go for a Guinness world
record, let alone a burpee worldrecord?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, it's actually funny because I tend to forget
about it for some reason becauseit felt like it was so long ago
.
And so this was about three.
Just over three years ago,during COVID, the area I went to
university, there was actuallythe male and female that had the
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world record actually the maleand female that had the world
record.
So then I just kind of jokedaround and I was like, oh, I
could probably so beat that.
Like I'm so good at burpees,they're easy for me.
And then once I moved duringthe pandemic, I moved to the
other side of Canada and I waslike, oh, I'm just going to
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apply on the Guinness worldrecord site.
Heard back three months laterthat I had the opportunity that
I could like my application wasconfirmed.
So then I just got to kind ofhoning in on the burpee specific
training and then, come the dayto do it, I just went all out
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and did it.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
All gas, no brakes.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, pretty much Just an hour of up and down, up
and down.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh man, I know how hard it is to this process
because I actually attemptedonce in my lifetime.
Yeah, I applied, I applied.
I was going for the Turkishgetup, catabalva, turkish getup
world record.
There was a one-hour one.
There's no way I would beat it.
I'm too like the people thathave the one-hour record they're
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just so much bigger than meLike it's just I couldn't lift.
It's all about volume, weight,over time.
And I was like I couldn't liftthe.
It's all about volume, weight,um, over time.
And uh, I was like I saw the 24hour record.
I'm like I can do that.
And I met the girl who had theone hour record and she was
interested in the 24 hour record.
So I was like, oh, I'm going toapply and like it's like a
whole process.
And then they give you all thecamera angles, how you could
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score it, time, all that thingsand time all that things.
And then in my training I waslike, listen, I'm just going to
be an absolute unit, I'm goingto, I'm going to actually lift a
heavier bell than I anticipated, just by the count, and then
have more rest in between, so Idon't have to go up and down as
much but over.
I had hand surgery when I wasyounger and over time, like I
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would wake up after I would like, I got up to like a six or
seven hour session and then oneday I woke up and I couldn't
open my hands, especially myright hand.
I couldn't feel my hands.
I'm like no, something's wrong.
And then one of the doctors atthe gym I was talking about he's
like yo, you're starting tohave carpal tunnel.
He's like he goes that's toomuch of a heavy weight you're
holding in that hand.
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It's starting to cause someissues.
So I had to, I had to pack itup.
Uh, but no, it's a it's agrueling thing to to go through
all that and the process.
And there's a lot of wait time.
I'm thinking like how long didit take for them to actually
even give you the record?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Oh yeah, the process is actually insane, like it
takes a minimum of three monthsjust for your application to be
um viewed and confirmed and thenyou have to actually plan the
day you're going to do it.
So then, after you've done itand recorded everything to the T
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the way they want it, then ittakes at least another three
months to become official.
But for me the thing was wasafter the three months exactly,
they came back and they said myevidence wasn't good enough,
because I was supposed to.
What I did was I uploaded myvideos to YouTube, whereas you
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have to upload it to theiractual website, and when you
think about that, the processingtime to upload it to a website
is absolutely insane.
So we eventually had to cut thevideo into probably 10
different segments and make sureit stopped and start properly,
and then it took another threemonths because I had to resubmit
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the evidence.
So come the end of that sixmonths to become official, I
just happened to wake up one day, look at my phone and there is
an email that came up and waslike congratulations.
So this was like 530 in themorning and I'm just like
finally, like you know what tookso long?
I mean to speed up the process.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You can pay endless amounts of money, but yeah, I
think to get a judge it's like$1,300 to just like just to have
them there.
Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Even more.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I want to talk about.
Well, first of all, that'spretty badass of you, so that's
awesome.
But I want to kind of talkabout you know what initially
sparked your interest intoexploring a carnivore diet, and
like what challenges, if anychallenges, have you had?
Um, shifting from you know justwhatever diet that you were
before because it seems like youwere always athletic, eating
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for performance and thenswitching over to carnivore, um,
you know, was it a toughtransition?
Was it smooth?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, so I actually switched.
I mean, I heard about thecarnivore diet and I was just
kind of procrastinating and I'mlike you know what.
There's no way I'm too athletic, I can't just remove
carbohydrates.
That's kind of you know whatyou've been told and what you've
learned as an athlete.
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But I was just, I suffer frompretty bad colitis.
So for the last 10 years, justmultiple foods have been
upsetting my stomach.
So finally I got to the pointabout three years ago I was just
like I've had enough, I can'tdeal with the pain anymore, I
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can't deal with the stomachdiscomfort, inflammation.
So probably January 1st 2022, Iwas just okay, let's try it,
let's actually go animal based.
So I removed everything thatwas considered toxic and just
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mostly had some fruits, whiterice and beef and started trying
to add tallow, which I neverhad before, and immediately,
like I just my stomach likecleared.
I just felt almost flat andempty all the time and that was
probably my system clearingeverything out.
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And then I just continued tofeel better.
My energy felt better in thegym.
But if I'm being honest, itprobably took me close to a year
to actually fully adapt andfind more energy.
But even then, I think becauseof my autoimmune, it's still the
energy's kind of like in waves.
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And finally, last December Iwas just still not seeing the
progress I really wanted to seeEliminated all fruits, all rice
and I was just having a littlebit of maple syrup, but probably
keeping around 20, 30 grams ofcarbs.
So I was doing that pretty muchsince December and I feel I
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feel a lot better.
Um, during my workouts I don'tcrash.
I find my energy is prettystable.
I don't have that reallypowerful kind of in the gym but
I almost rather be stable thanhave really highs and really low
, lows.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
There's a little bit of a.
There's a little bit of a tradeoff too, and I think, like a,
like a Zach bitter who's who, umcycles in carbs and looks at
carbs as more of a tool thanthan like a fuel thing, using it
as tool for certain.
You know training segments ofyou know your programming, or I
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mean there's a lot of peoplethat say that went carnivore,
their workouts didn't feel asgood, but if they had a little
bit fruit right beforehand theydid have it like that pop.
So, um, you know that that's acommon thing.
I found the opposite.
Like I like to do a lot ofstuff fasted.
Um, is that something thatyou've explored?
Working out fasted?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, I do not like doing strength training fasted.
I find it just does not workfor me.
But if I run, like I ran thismorning, I didn't have anything
before.
I just find I can wake up andgo right into it without waiting
for something to digest.
And if I swim in the morning orbike, it's usually just with
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MCT oil, which isn't consideredcarnivore.
But that's the one thing I'vealways really enjoyed.
It's just kind of a substitutefor taking ketones.
Do strength training fastedjust because I find I can't give
it my all.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I can't kind of lose focus a little bit I mean mean,
yeah, Do you do the MCT andcoffee?
Or just take a little bit ofMCT like a teaspoon?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, I usually just um have the MCT oil.
Um, I'll probably have coffeemaybe three to four times a
month if I'm really, reallyexhausted.
But even then it's only just acouple sips cause I can't
tolerate a lot of caffeine.
But I do notice, when I do havecoffee my workouts are better.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Probably in the past 20 years of my life, I don't
think there's been very few daysI've woken up and not had a cup
of coffee or multiple.
I'm addicted, but yeah, I loveit.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think I honestly might start adding it a little
bit more, just for performancereasons.
I used to drink it, but then Ijust found it upset my stomach,
but now I seem to tolerate alittle bit better.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I kind of want to talk about your 50 miler.
You know, as a, as an ultraathlete, preparing for a 50
miler Like what was thestructure of your training and
what was your nutrition strategyleading up to racing and on the
race day?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
yes, this ultra was very unplanned.
Um, I was originally going totrain for an ironman and then I
got this opportunity to run a 50mile ultra in texas overnight,
which we found out two months inadvance.
So I really only had two monthsto train for this race.
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So right away I kind of I stillmaintain my Ironman stuff, but
I just increased my runningvolume quite a bit, probably too
fast, because I didn't reallyhave a choice, and then I
immediately found a coach.
So then my run was prettystructured and that's when I did
start adding in carbs, like youmentioned, zach Bitter, because
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it's already a hardaccomplishment, a hard goal.
I don't really want to make itharder on my body by, you know,
just having meat and fat.
I want to help my body a littlebit with the training and
recovery.
So I would mostly just consumeI'd make my own maple syrup gels
, consume that during my runsand then have a little bit more
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carbs after.
But so really during thetraining I still only had 50 to
75 grams of carbs.
Then the week of probably moreso three to four days out,
that's when I tried to increasemore closer to 100.
But even then I just felt like Ihad a hard time because I don't
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personally enjoy havingcarbohydrates.
They make me a bit full, a bitmore bloated, and I do strongly
believe it helps me a lot duringthe ultra.
And so, come a day of the ultra, it was overnight, so I had all
day to fuel and prepare forthat, and then every 45 minutes,
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and then every 45 minutes halfan hour or so during the race.
I would just have either maplesyrup, maple candies, which were
just maple sugar into a littlecandy, nothing added, or I would
just.
I had bags of white rice that Iwould munch on, so that was
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about it.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, that's a crazy endeavor, and you know utilizing
what you can.
You're like, you're it's likehey, sometimes I have to drop
what I really want to do inorder to do the thing that I
really want to do.
So if you're not usually eatingtons of white rice or tons of
carbohydrates, you knowutilizing those as tools to get
the job done.
Um, but is it true?
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You broke your foot before orduring this race?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, so about three or four weeks leading up to the
race I was having very bad footand knee pain.
So I was getting an x-ray andthey said nothing was conclusive
.
So they ordered me a bone scanwhich I still have not heard
about since May, heard aboutsince may, um, still have not
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received since may.
But um, I seriously could notrun.
Three weeks leading up to therace I put myself in an air cast
because that was the only way Iwas able to get around.
And then finally, the weekbefore the race I was able to
get a couple runs in.
It was recovering and come raceday, about third of the way
through the run I it was thesame pain.
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I couldn't even step through onmy foot.
Then my alternating kneestarted bothering me.
So I was the rest of the runwas just shuffling.
So it turned out after the fact, after I got an x-ray, it was
broken.
So I assume it was a stressfracture that wasn't detected on
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the x-ray and still dealingwith the consequences, like
three months later.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Oh, oh, that's, that's a rough one, that's a
rough one.
Uh, would you do another 50miler?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh for sure.
Yeah, during the first part ofthe race that felt really good.
I was saying to myself I couldreally see myself doing this.
Then the pain creeped in and Iwas just frustrated because I'm
like, why me Like?
Why do I have to be injured allthe time?
But I'm getting it undercontrol right now, getting a lot
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of treatment done, so hopefully, once the injuries heal, I can
do more ultras and hopefully ahundred mile ultra would be cool
that'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
That's the one, the one I don't race anymore.
I did you know ironman,marathons half hour, all that
stuff.
And the one, the one I don'trace anymore uh, I did you know
ironman uh, marathons half hour,all that stuff.
And the one race I actually gotinjured myself.
I was training for a 50 miler,the north face endurance
challenge, and it was a trailrun in chicago.
There's no trails out here, so Igot trail shoes and I was going
other places to do some runningand the shoes didn't agree with
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me.
Like I would do some short runs.
I'm like, all right, I'm goingto do 13 mile run or whatever.
And I did them in these trailshoes and then I literally I got
seven miles out and I had totake them off and I had to hold
them in my hand and walkbarefoot back home.
It sucked Like I'm just likeman this is, and I like I had
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pinched nerves up my right legand I'm like shit.
So I ended up doing I'm goingdown from the 50 to the half
marathon.
I just did with a buddy, butthat's still like the one race.
I'm like, ah, I might come outof retirement for um, but with
the, the 50 miler.
That was like a nick bear thingright.
Did his company put it on?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
yeah.
So that's why, if it was anyother ultra, I probably would
have just said, no, I'll justnot go, I'll rest my foot.
But I've been following thisguy for the last four or five
years and it meant a lot to me.
So, no matter what, it wasn't aquestion whether I was
finishing or not, it was just metelling myself just keep moving
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.
And my run sure didn't looklike a run, but I was just not
stopping the whole time, nomatter how painful it was.
But I still ended up finishingjust under 11 hours.
Not the goal I wanted to get,but there was a 15-hour time cap
, so I was still pretty happywith it there was a 15 hour time
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cap, so I was still prettyhappy with it.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, uh, and I think I just like clicked on one of
the.
When he posted on youtube orsomething, I think they were
saying like, hey, like there'sgonna be, was it horses or
cattle or something like it.
Like, get out the way if you're, if you're running yeah, I
didn't expect that either.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
at the, the thing was is it was so mysterious we
didn't know the location untilwe checked in the day of the
race.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
So yeah, I just figured out.
It was like a 45-minute drivefrom where I was staying.
It was on some ranch in themiddle of Liberty Hill, texas.
At the briefing about half anhour before the race, they said
there's wild bulls, wild hogs,snakes, um, barbed wire just
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listing all these hazards andthey just basically said if
you're not comfortable running,then just don't start the race.
But we have no way ofcontrolling this and there's
actually currently a wild bullon the loose.
So it was.
It was pretty raw.
It was pretty raw race, but Ihad, honestly, the best
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experience of my entire lifedoing it.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
That sounds, sounds so cool.
Just make sure everybody's like, okay, just make sure your
waivers are signed Head on out,yeah, yeah, and you know,
because you're saying you usedifferent things, some
carbohydrates, as tools.
I think in the one piece oflike the narrative that I feel
like everybody is getting islike you can't do these races
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unless you are like a sugarburner.
You have to have 100 carbs inthe hour.
You know, and we're going totalk about some Ironman stuff
too, but, like you know what thesuggestions that I was seeing,
like how much food you should beeating on your bike, to me it's
it seems ridiculous of how manycarbohydrates that people are
consuming over time.
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Gut issues, right, all these,the GI distress, and you know, I
feel like it is getting morepopular of being like a fat
adapted athlete using fat asfuel, but it's definitely not
the mainstream yet.
And there's a lot of companiesthat are involved with this
Gatorade shot blocks, a powerjet, whatever they are nowadays.
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Uh, and you know I always haveconversations with people about
there's.
I mean, they're strapped up.
They got they're doing a 5k andthey got like they got like 20
little like gel things in theirpocket.
I go if we can't get to likethrough a 5k without eating,
there's a problem here there's aproblem here.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, and I'm a firm believer like you shouldn't need
to fuel during a race if it'sanything less than an hour, so
anything over an hour that'swhen, yeah, go have a gel, but
anything below that you don'tneed it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, I always go to this quote from Vidya Tortorich.
He's like you can't outrun abad diet and you can't outlift
your fork and it just there's alot of people and nobody talks
about it enough.
Like, if you look besides theelite, right, let's take the
pros and elite out of enduranceracing and people that are just
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like the weekend warrioradvocates that want to do this
kind of stuff, some of them thatare passing the finish line.
They did the race but theydon't look healthy.
Some of them actually go inthese endeavors to to lose
weight, to whatever.
I want to complete this goal, Iwant to get healthier but then
they actually end up gainingweight by the end because
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they're working out and thenthey're over consuming during
training, the recovery of whatthey think they need to have or
what's prescribed to them.
They're eating more than theirfill and then after they
continue the same eating habitsand then they're not racing
anymore, so they gain even moreweight.
And I feel like that is such atrend that is happening with
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people and nobody wants toacknowledge it, because that
goes against the grain of whatwe should be doing.
Yeah, I went to a workshop andI'm not going to say the name of
the gym, but I went to aworkshop and they were doing a
marathon Chicago marathonscoming up in october so they had
a bunch of coaches in therethat either are doing the
marathon themselves or trainingclients and what they should
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have to eat.
And we all got a bag and wewalked in.
It was a nice, nice gym, nicepresentation.
There was a nutritionist thereand in our bag and I shit you
not there was Pringles, gummysnacks, like these candy gel
things.
It just was like junk and theywere putting on the screen of
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what we should people should beeating and like she was saying
Cheerios have.
She was saying making, shecalled them shower smoothies,
where you should be as soon asyou wake up, make your smoothie
with like this much veggies,this much, like she sees
wherever the heck she had, anddown it in the shower to get you
because you need to keep itlike the amount of I'm like I
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don't even eat that much food.
And it was wild and I and thisis like she kept saying I'm a
nutritionist, I'm a nutritionistor a dietitian or whatever and
somebody raised their hand and Iwas just shutting up because,
like I'm not, like this is theirthing.
I'm gonna shut up and not say aword because I'm like I did a
whole iron man on carnivore.
I didn't even eat this manycarbohydrates.
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And somebody raised their hand.
They're like, hey, I, becausepeople were literally just
before.
We're saying hey, when I eat, Ieat this way, I get bloated.
And then her response was likewell, how are you eating?
Are you eating standing up orsitting down?
I was like, okay, so this guyhad this question.
It was a good question.
He goes I've been hearing a lotabout people doing their runs
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fasted because it makes themfeel better and it actually
helps your performance.
And she just shot him down.
She's like no, she goes justmic drop.
No, don't do that, that'sdangerous, whatever.
And I was like pissed.
I was like I'm going to raisemy hand here.
And I was like, hey, I've donea full half Ironman with
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electrolytes and water.
I did a full Ironman with maybe50 carbs and I go.
All of my runs, all my training, most of it was fasted and it
was good.
And I'm like I don't thinkthat's fair to just tell
somebody that, like, if theywant to explore it for
themselves, they should be ableto, because if they have GI
distress from eating.
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How you're telling them to eat.
That's not good for them, sowhy won't let them them like,
figure it out or have thisself-expiration?
And the answer was well, youknow, everybody's different n
equals one.
I go.
What the hell kind of answer isthis?
Uh, I texted some othercarnivore coaches in space.
I'm like dude, we got a lot ofwork to do.
Like this is what they'rehaving these people eat in a
race.
Is is so crazy.
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Um yeah, sorry I went on a rant, but no, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I just the thing that bothers me is just the type of
carbohydrates.
It's fine if that's what youbelieve is.
You know carbs will make youperform, but why does it come
down to Pringles?
Why does it come down toCheerios?
If I were to consume carbswhile I'm training, I can go out
of my way and make maple syrupgels they have so many honey
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gels nowadays you can have ricecakes, like anything healthier
that still is quick to digest.
But yet people are resorting tofoods that have seed oils and
I'm not going to get into seedoils, but like just you could,
you could go on tangent butwheat and things that do upset
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your stomach during those races.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And a lot of.
If you look on some of theseperformance bars or whatever it
may be like, it's a laundry listof stuff that I can't even
pronounce.
It's not even food.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, whereas you can easily just search up a recipe,
make a protein bar, probablywith dates, protein powder and
coconut, you know it's.
It doesn't take that much andif your goal is to be healthy
but also perform, it's worthtaking just a little bit of
extra time to make a healthieralternative.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And now kind of going into I know you're doing you're
, you're prepping for an Ironman, you know for the Ironman
training.
How is that going and what aresome things that are going well
and what are some challengesright now?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, I'll start with .
The challenges is that I'mstill pretty injured.
Both my knees are prettyscrewed up from the ultra.
I did the ultra in June andit's now mid-September, so just
trying to kind of get treatmenton that.
My foot is not broken anymore,but it's still not where I want
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to be.
I'm able to start running alittle bit, but I just find
there's a threshold right now interms of time so I can go out
for a bike ride, but max timetill my knee or foot really
start bothering me is about 90minutes and my running is not
going above 40 minutes.
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I am swimming.
Swimming's been going well.
I've been at it for pretty mucha year now in the pool, two to
three times a week.
I don't have a specific coachright now.
I'm just kind of training tomaintain until I actually figure
out what's wrong with myinjuries and what race I'm
picking.
I have my eyes set on a race inApril.
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It will be the full Ironman.
But nutrition wise, um yeah,the last couple months it's been
around 20-30 grams of carbs,strictly from molasses, just
because there's good potassiumcontent in it which a lot of
people don't know it's just thecertain type you get, which is
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blackstrap molasses.
Yeah, so MCT oil is big, becauseI find that was another thing I
used during my ultra was MCToil because it doesn't need to
go down to it, doesn't take longto digest, it just kind of goes
straight to your liver and usedas fuel.
But lately I've been kind ofthinking of the idea of adding a
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little bit more carbs back in,just from maybe a bit more
molasses, maple syrup or somewhite rice, just because
sometimes I find my body goesinto phases where it feels more
tired and I just hate kind ofdragging through my workouts.
But a lot of times I'llexperiment with adding some
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carbs in max 50 grams, 65.
And then if I don't feel goodI'll just remove them, and I'm a
big fan of just experimenting.
There's no right or wrong.
Every individual is different.
So a lot of times people thatdo strict carnivore and they're
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very against carbohydrates, alot of them aren't exercising, a
lot of them are just stillhealing from a lot of issues
they have.
But if you are high level andvery active, sometimes you need
just a little bit of extra carbsand I also find those carbs
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stimulate my digestion so I caneat a little bit more.
Otherwise, if I'm just eatingfat, I'm stuffed and can't
really eat enough.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, that's a great point because there's a ton of
people and, again, the carnivorecommunity, all communities, it
doesn't matter.
There's the dogmatic of you gotto do carnivore this way, you
have to do the lion diet way.
You got beet, red, red meat,salt water, nothing else.
Oh, coffee, you lose yourcarnivore card, like you know,
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stuff like that.
But it really needs to be tothe individual.
And, again, like you said, alot of people go to this diet to
eliminate things, to help heal.
I mean, I was vegan for twoyears.
Really, yeah, oh yeah, wayopposite now.
I was vegan for two years and Ifelt some health benefits at the
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beginning, mainly like losingbody fat and feeling better than
the standard American diet.
And then I had belferitis in myeyes.
I gained all the weight back,my gut was bad, my hair was
falling out.
I was like this is something'sup and for me, some people can
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do vegan, some people can dovegetarian, completely fine, but
for the people that like, hey,this is affecting my life, I
have these issues, they go on tothe elimination diet and most
of them don't go back, but they,because that's the one thing
that healed them.
They think that's the end-all,be-all, which isn't the case.
Everybody has their ownindividuality.
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Some people go carnivore andadd the fruit in and they like
it and they feel good or feelbetter.
Some people, fruit doesn'tagree with them, but that's a
good point, because the peoplethat are really super strict on
it, yeah, that help them.
But again, if you're going tobe doing get up and do 50 miles,
boss, that's going to need someextra things I use that, yeah,
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at the end of the day, forcertain people it is all about
getting enough calories in ifthey're burning so much.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
And the reason I started carnivore, animal based,
was to heal certain issues Iwas having, and now that I feel
some of them are healed, that'swhen I can start adding in foods
again.
I'm not adding in vegetables,I'm not adding in fruits, it's
just more quickly digestingcarbs that I use strategically
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around my workouts.
So a lot of people will just gooff on you, whether it's on
social media.
You're doing this wrong, blah,blah, blah.
At the end of the day, I reallycould care less because it's
going in my body.
Everyone's different.
I don't know why people get onyou about how you are doing
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things, because if you feel goodlike you don't even know me.
Why are you packing?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You don't know me, son.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You don't know me so I mean it's just everybody's
different.
You got to play around withwhatever works for you and how
does your?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
when you made this switch?
Um, I know you said some of thehaters on social media, right,
but what about, like familyfriends when you went to this
style of eating?
Was there some like kind ofpushback?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
My family didn't do much.
I've always made my own foodever since probably high school,
just because I like controllingthat part.
And they know my family knowshow long I've been suffering
with these issues, especiallybeing trapped together during
the pandemic.
So full support.
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They didn't really bat an eyeat it.
My mom would actually.
She goes through phases oftrying carnivore, phases of
trying carnivore, but even forherself she says I just feel
like a little bit better withmaybe a little bit of fermented
sourdough or sauerkraut fruitbefore my workouts.
People around me whether it'swork, they straight up think
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it's weird.
But I know the reasoning behindit, I know the science behind
it.
So I just kind of bite my lip.
Otherwise I know I'm going togo on a full-on rant.
So yeah, like I said before, Idon't really care what people
think of what I eat, especiallyon social media.
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If you don't like seeing what Ieat, don't follow me.
Either way, it doesn't affectme Because if I feel healthy, at
the end of the day that's whatmatters to me.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Absolutely With your, with your training that you're
doing now.
Um, you know you said gettingback into the running, biking.
You have, you know, a timelimit until you're all healed up
and the swims are good.
What about your strengthtraining?
You know how many days a weekare you implementing that and
what kind of lifts are you doing?
I mean, there's like everybodyis a little bit different, like
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they have different splits orwhatever.
So what's kind of yourmethodology right now?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah.
So I mean, when I first gotinto the gym and fitness I
probably 10 years ago, eightyears ago it was I just loved
bodybuilding.
It's therapeutic to me.
I like seeing the progress.
For me it honestly wasn't aboutlooks, I just it was a good
stress relief, good time awayfrom school work, just time to
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myself to be in my own head.
So I've always enjoyedbodybuilding and I've done that
for the last eight years on topof my endurance training or a
sport I was doing.
So I usually lift every day,maybe not two times a day, so
probably five days a week.
I do more of a quad focus day,more of a hamstring focus day,
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more of a quad focus day, moreof a hamstring focus day, and
then typical kind ofbodybuilding split.
I just kind of go in autoregulate, see how I'm feeling.
That day I'll hit shoulders,triceps, biceps, back, like I
said.
I usually do it on the samedays, but if I have to deter off
of that because of a swim Ihave planned and my upper body
is a little bit fatigued, I justgo off by feel.
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Some people in the bodybuildingspace might not agree with that,
but I'm not competing for ashow, I'm just doing it to
improve my running, my biking,my swimming, my mental health.
And again, it's my body.
You know, I know how to listento it.
I just yeah, I don't like whenpeople tell you what to do.
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So it is my life.
I like being in control of mylife, so typically five times a
day.
If it's a leg workout, I willdo that in the morning.
But if it's a leg workout, Iwill do that in the morning.
But if it's upper body, I likedoing that at night, when I'm
more fueled and I have myendurance done.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
So, yeah, five times a week, right, yeah, Uh, it's.
I think it's this smart thingto do.
There's a lot of people thatget out what they're doing races
they get away from the strengthtraining too much and I always
say, like, like, strength islike the cup, and if you want to
put, you know, the stronger youare, the bigger the cup's going
to be.
You can fit more endurance,flexibility, resistance, um, you
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know, resilience into that cup.
If you're stronger, Um, butyeah, I see you on the Instagram
hanging and banging and youknow heavy deadlifts and stuff.
So it's, it's awesome thatyou're.
You're still doing somestrength training while while
training for an Ironman.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, and I've never slowed down, like there wasn't a
time where I, you know, took amonth off because I was training
for this race.
It was almost like oh, a racecame up, I'm going to sign up
and just add a little bit on topand reduce a little bit of
weightlifting.
Even when I was training forthe ultra, I did weightlifting
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up until maybe four or five daysout, probably four, but at the
same time I was injured.
So it's all I could do tomaintain my fitness.
So I mean, I do listen to mybody.
If something's hurting, I'm notgoing to push through.
Um, people might say that's whyyou get so injured.
If I'm injured, I'm not goingto work, I'm not going to
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exercise that certain part of mybody and I'm going to fuel to
recover properly.
But some people are more proneto injuries than others,
unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
And it's a hybrid piece that hybrid athletes like
hey, I can go clip 10, 15 on arun and still go have a good
lifting session the next day andbe the best of both worlds.
And for some of the listeners,you have a youtube channel
that's out.
Um, what kind of content areyou planning on creating for
like subscribers and you knowwhat?
(38:15):
Do you hope that people youknow, if they tune in, gain from
it?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
yeah, it's been a long time coming.
Probably for the last fouryears I've wanted to start, but
I've just been making excuses, Idon't know how, I don't know
how to edit, and then finallyI'm just bought a vlogging
camera and let's do this thing.
So I've just kind ofdocumenting more of the real
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side of myself, because peopledon't people that don't know you
don't really know certain sidesof you, so I am pretty outgoing
.
Once you get to know me, I tryto be funny.
I don't know if it works, but Ilike documenting my days of
training, my days of eating.
As somebody who eats differentthan most people, I just did a
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recent video of what I used toeat for breakfast when I was
younger, so I enjoyed doing that.
One brought back a lot ofmemories, but right now it's
more just daily things, and thenprobably in the future, I'll
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then probably in the future I'llkind of jazz it up a bit and
make more strategic videos.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
but yeah, yeah, I mean it's, it's hard, like
always.
The first step I remember whenI like I started mine, my,
actually my tag was carnivoreathlete.
Like that was my.
I even had carnivore athletecomat one point.
Uh, yeah, and uh, it's goingwith that.
And then I then I startedfeeling like I don't really want
to be dogmatic of just this ismy like carnivores, the end all
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be all.
And then so I'm like, oh, let meditch that and that's kind of
what I want to like more primal,um aspect, but it's, it's a,
it's a little bit of a leap.
And then, like, not that, Ilike I have no idea what'm doing
, I'm just posting crap that Ithink people are going to like
and whatever, like you said, hey, like, if you don't like it,
like don't subscribe, don'twatch, but uh, but no, it's,
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it's all good stuff.
And I think when people seeyour content, I think because
you're doing like the day to daystuff, I think they're
resonating with you, you know,and they're they're following
you more because, like, oh, thisperson's like a real person
versus you know any somebodythat's famous.
Like you see something doctoredup, okay, okay, whatever, but
uh no, I think people are veryjoining it.
(40:36):
And again I came across yourpage.
I was like, oh, she's, she's,she's, badass, I got, I got to
talk to this person.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, and I mean, and I try to put out content that I
like to see as well.
So and same with social media.
I'll follow people that I thecontent I like to see.
So I just try to be myself.
I don't want to be like anybodyelse, I don't want to copy
everybody with YouTube and doingday in the life spot.
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With YouTube and doing day inthe life spot.
It's something I've wanted tostart for so long and I just
felt it's almost it's a projectfor me to do.
Sometimes I just I do get boredsometimes when I'm not training
, not working.
So it's just something to workon for me and it's something I
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want to see and look back onwhen I'm a bit older and maybe
laugh at myself, just kind ofhave fun with it.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, absolutely.
And what's coming up?
I know the Ironman you saidApril.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Hopefully, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
What location?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
It would be the one in Texas, oh cool.
It is one of the prochampionship races, so it might
be a little bit busy.
But me, I'm just going in tohave fun.
But at the same time I know inthe back of my mind I want to
qualify for age group worlds inKona.
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So yeah, I'm going to throwthat out there.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
But yeah, it's just me.
I always go in to do somethingfor fun as an experience, but
secondary, I'm always no, I'mgetting top of my age group, I'm
going to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So that's what happened with myfirst triathlon in August.
I just went in with having fun,but I knew there was an age
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group award.
So I was like I'm still goingto push hard, no matter what
third or second in my age group.
So awesome, awesome, awesome andanything else coming up besides
that um, there's a couple localraces I might just sign up for
fun.
Um might get disappointed justbecause of previous times I've
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had and injuries that I have now.
But just gonna keep chippingaway on the training, hopefully
find an actual coach or trainingplan for the Ironman, and
between now and then, who knowswhat I'll do.
The burpees have kind of beenon my mind again, so who knows
if I'll attempt that.
I don't know why, but I getthese weird thoughts in my head
(43:23):
sometimes and tend to listen tothem.
But if anybody hasrecommendations of what I should
do, just let me know.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah for sure.
Well, you know we're going tobe rooting for you every step of
the way, following your journeyand you know I, you know I wish
you the best and, um, I'mlooking forward to seeing you
know, if you're, if you're, able, to, go in April, I'd love to.
You know, follow you and, uh,you know, get your bib and we'll
make sure that we're trackingyou.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, for sure, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Cool.
And then what's?
Uh, where can people follow you, your Instagram and your
YouTube?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, so my Instagram is at Izzy Watson, with two N's
Um, and then youtube is izzywatson, fit um, and I think
that's about all I have.
I do have some tiktok, but it'sjust random everyday things.
So I believe that's the same asmy instagram account and that's
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about it.
But if anybody ever wants tomessage me, I'm always open to
answering DMs or comments.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Cool, awesome.
I'll put all that in the shownotes.
And again, thanks for coming on, appreciate the time, and
thanks for everybody listeningto the Primal Foundations
podcast.
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Welcome to the Primal Foundations podcast.
I'm your host, Tony Pascola.
We will dive into what Ibelieve are the four central
foundations you need for ahealthy lifestyle Strength,
nutrition, movement and recovery.
Get ready to unlock your pathto optimal health and enjoy the
episode.
Today's guest is Issy Watson.
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Issy is a hybrid athlete thatfollows a carnivore diet to help
heal autoimmune issues as wellas improve sports performance.
Issy is also an enduranceathlete and current female
Guinness World Record holder formost chest to ground burpees in
one hour, with a total of 829reps.
Issy, welcome to the PrimalFoundations podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I told you off air, I'm all down for hard stuff, but
what the heck made you evenwant to go for a Guinness world
record, let alone a burpee worldrecord?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, it's actually funny because I tend to forget
about it for some reason becauseit felt like it was so long ago
.
And so this was about three.
Just over three years ago,during COVID, the area I went to
university, there was actuallythe male and female that had the
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world record actually the maleand female that had the world
record.
So then I just kind of jokedaround and I was like, oh, I
could probably so beat that.
Like I'm so good at burpees,they're easy for me.
And then once I moved duringthe pandemic, I moved to the
other side of Canada and I waslike, oh, I'm just going to
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apply on the Guinness worldrecord site.
Heard back three months laterthat I had the opportunity that
I could like my application wasconfirmed.
So then I just got to kind ofhoning in on the burpee specific
training and then, come the dayto do it, I just went all out
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and did it.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
All gas, no brakes.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, pretty much Just an hour of up and down, up
and down.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Oh man, I know how hard it is to this process
because I actually attemptedonce in my lifetime.
Yeah, I applied, I applied.
I was going for the Turkishgetup, catabalva, turkish getup
world record.
There was a one-hour one.
There's no way I would beat it.
I'm too like the people thathave the one-hour record they're
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just so much bigger than meLike it's just I couldn't lift.
It's all about volume, weight,over time.
And I was like I couldn't liftthe.
It's all about volume, weight,um, over time.
And uh, I was like I saw the 24hour record.
I'm like I can do that.
And I met the girl who had theone hour record and she was
interested in the 24 hour record.
So I was like, oh, I'm going toapply and like it's like a
whole process.
And then they give you all thecamera angles, how you could
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score it, time, all that thingsand time all that things.
And then in my training I waslike, listen, I'm just going to
be an absolute unit, I'm goingto, I'm going to actually lift a
heavier bell than I anticipated, just by the count, and then
have more rest in between, so Idon't have to go up and down as
much but over.
I had hand surgery when I wasyounger and over time, like I
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would wake up after I would like, I got up to like a six or
seven hour session and then oneday I woke up and I couldn't
open my hands, especially myright hand.
I couldn't feel my hands.
I'm like no, something's wrong.
And then one of the doctors atthe gym I was talking about he's
like yo, you're starting tohave carpal tunnel.
He's like he goes that's toomuch of a heavy weight you're
holding in that hand.
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It's starting to cause someissues.
So I had to, I had to pack itup.
Uh, but no, it's a it's agrueling thing to to go through
all that and the process.
And there's a lot of wait time.
I'm thinking like how long didit take for them to actually
even give you the record?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Oh yeah, the process is actually insane, like it
takes a minimum of three monthsjust for your application to be
um viewed and confirmed and thenyou have to actually plan the
day you're going to do it.
So then, after you've done itand recorded everything to the T
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the way they want it, then ittakes at least another three
months to become official.
But for me the thing was wasafter the three months exactly,
they came back and they said myevidence wasn't good enough,
because I was supposed to.
What I did was I uploaded myvideos to YouTube, whereas you
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have to upload it to theiractual website, and when you
think about that, the processingtime to upload it to a website
is absolutely insane.
So we eventually had to cut thevideo into probably 10
different segments and make sureit stopped and start properly,
and then it took another threemonths because I had to resubmit
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the evidence.
So come the end of that sixmonths to become official, I
just happened to wake up one day, look at my phone and there is
an email that came up and waslike congratulations.
So this was like 530 in themorning and I'm just like
finally, like you know what tookso long?
I mean to speed up the process.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
You can pay endless amounts of money, but yeah, I
think to get a judge it's like$1,300 to just like just to have
them there.
Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Even more.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I want to talk about.
Well, first of all, that'spretty badass of you, so that's
awesome.
But I want to kind of talkabout you know what initially
sparked your interest intoexploring a carnivore diet, and
like what challenges, if anychallenges, have you had?
Um, shifting from you know justwhatever diet that you were
before because it seems like youwere always athletic, eating
(05:55):
for performance and thenswitching over to carnivore, um,
you know, was it a toughtransition?
Was it smooth?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, so I actually switched.
I mean, I heard about thecarnivore diet and I was just
kind of procrastinating and I'mlike you know what.
There's no way I'm too athletic, I can't just remove
carbohydrates.
That's kind of you know whatyou've been told and what you've
learned as an athlete.
(06:23):
But I was just, I suffer frompretty bad colitis.
So for the last 10 years, justmultiple foods have been
upsetting my stomach.
So finally I got to the pointabout three years ago I was just
like I've had enough, I can'tdeal with the pain anymore, I
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can't deal with the stomachdiscomfort, inflammation.
So probably January 1st 2022, Iwas just okay, let's try it,
let's actually go animal based.
So I removed everything thatwas considered toxic and just
(07:05):
mostly had some fruits, whiterice and beef and started trying
to add tallow, which I neverhad before, and immediately,
like I just my stomach likecleared.
I just felt almost flat andempty all the time and that was
probably my system clearingeverything out.
(07:27):
And then I just continued tofeel better.
My energy felt better in thegym.
But if I'm being honest, itprobably took me close to a year
to actually fully adapt andfind more energy.
But even then, I think becauseof my autoimmune, it's still the
energy's kind of like in waves.
(07:48):
And finally, last December Iwas just still not seeing the
progress I really wanted to seeEliminated all fruits, all rice
and I was just having a littlebit of maple syrup, but probably
keeping around 20, 30 grams ofcarbs.
So I was doing that pretty muchsince December and I feel I
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feel a lot better.
Um, during my workouts I don'tcrash.
I find my energy is prettystable.
I don't have that reallypowerful kind of in the gym but
I almost rather be stable thanhave really highs and really low
, lows.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
There's a little bit of a.
There's a little bit of a tradeoff too, and I think, like a,
like a Zach bitter who's who, umcycles in carbs and looks at
carbs as more of a tool thanthan like a fuel thing, using it
as tool for certain.
You know training segments ofyou know your programming, or I
(08:57):
mean there's a lot of peoplethat say that went carnivore,
their workouts didn't feel asgood, but if they had a little
bit fruit right beforehand theydid have it like that pop.
So, um, you know that that's acommon thing.
I found the opposite.
Like I like to do a lot ofstuff fasted.
Um, is that something thatyou've explored?
Working out fasted?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, I do not like doing strength training fasted.
I find it just does not workfor me.
But if I run, like I ran thismorning, I didn't have anything
before.
I just find I can wake up andgo right into it without waiting
for something to digest.
And if I swim in the morning orbike, it's usually just with
(09:38):
MCT oil, which isn't consideredcarnivore.
But that's the one thing I'vealways really enjoyed.
It's just kind of a substitutefor taking ketones.
Do strength training fastedjust because I find I can't give
it my all.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I can't kind of lose focus a little bit I mean mean,
yeah, Do you do the MCT andcoffee?
Or just take a little bit ofMCT like a teaspoon?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, I usually just um have the MCT oil.
Um, I'll probably have coffeemaybe three to four times a
month if I'm really, reallyexhausted.
But even then it's only just acouple sips cause I can't
tolerate a lot of caffeine.
But I do notice, when I do havecoffee my workouts are better.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Probably in the past 20 years of my life, I don't
think there's been very few daysI've woken up and not had a cup
of coffee or multiple.
I'm addicted, but yeah, I loveit.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think I honestly might start adding it a little
bit more, just for performancereasons.
I used to drink it, but then Ijust found it upset my stomach,
but now I seem to tolerate alittle bit better.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I kind of want to talk about your 50 miler.
You know, as a, as an ultraathlete, preparing for a 50
miler Like what was thestructure of your training and
what was your nutrition strategyleading up to racing and on the
race day?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
yes, this ultra was very unplanned.
Um, I was originally going totrain for an ironman and then I
got this opportunity to run a 50mile ultra in texas overnight,
which we found out two months inadvance.
So I really only had two monthsto train for this race.
(11:30):
So right away I kind of I stillmaintain my Ironman stuff, but
I just increased my runningvolume quite a bit, probably too
fast, because I didn't reallyhave a choice, and then I
immediately found a coach.
So then my run was prettystructured and that's when I did
start adding in carbs, like youmentioned, zach Bitter, because
(11:53):
it's already a hardaccomplishment, a hard goal.
I don't really want to make itharder on my body by, you know,
just having meat and fat.
I want to help my body a littlebit with the training and
recovery.
So I would mostly just consumeI'd make my own maple syrup gels
, consume that during my runsand then have a little bit more
(12:18):
carbs after.
But so really during thetraining I still only had 50 to
75 grams of carbs.
Then the week of probably moreso three to four days out,
that's when I tried to increasemore closer to 100.
But even then I just felt like Ihad a hard time because I don't
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personally enjoy havingcarbohydrates.
They make me a bit full, a bitmore bloated, and I do strongly
believe it helps me a lot duringthe ultra.
And so, come a day of the ultra, it was overnight, so I had all
day to fuel and prepare forthat, and then every 45 minutes,
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and then every 45 minutes halfan hour or so during the race.
I would just have either maplesyrup, maple candies, which were
just maple sugar into a littlecandy, nothing added, or I would
just.
I had bags of white rice that Iwould munch on, so that was
(13:23):
about it.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, that's a crazy endeavor, and you know utilizing
what you can.
You're like, you're it's likehey, sometimes I have to drop
what I really want to do inorder to do the thing that I
really want to do.
So if you're not usually eatingtons of white rice or tons of
carbohydrates, you knowutilizing those as tools to get
the job done.
Um, but is it true?
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You broke your foot before orduring this race?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, so about three or four weeks leading up to the
race I was having very bad footand knee pain.
So I was getting an x-ray andthey said nothing was conclusive
.
So they ordered me a bone scanwhich I still have not heard
about since May, heard aboutsince may, um, still have not
(14:22):
received since may.
But um, I seriously could notrun.
Three weeks leading up to therace I put myself in an air cast
because that was the only way Iwas able to get around.
And then finally, the weekbefore the race I was able to
get a couple runs in.
It was recovering and come raceday, about third of the way
through the run I it was thesame pain.
(14:44):
I couldn't even step through onmy foot.
Then my alternating kneestarted bothering me.
So I was the rest of the runwas just shuffling.
So it turned out after the fact, after I got an x-ray, it was
broken.
So I assume it was a stressfracture that wasn't detected on
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the x-ray and still dealingwith the consequences, like
three months later.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Oh, oh, that's, that's a rough one, that's a
rough one.
Uh, would you do another 50miler?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh for sure.
Yeah, during the first part ofthe race that felt really good.
I was saying to myself I couldreally see myself doing this.
Then the pain creeped in and Iwas just frustrated because I'm
like, why me Like?
Why do I have to be injured allthe time?
But I'm getting it undercontrol right now, getting a lot
(15:40):
of treatment done, so hopefully, once the injuries heal, I can
do more ultras and hopefully ahundred mile ultra would be cool
that'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
That's the one, the one I don't race anymore.
I did you know ironman,marathons half hour, all that
stuff.
And the one, the one I don'trace anymore uh, I did you know
ironman uh, marathons half hour,all that stuff.
And the one race I actually gotinjured myself.
I was training for a 50 miler,the north face endurance
challenge, and it was a trailrun in chicago.
There's no trails out here, so Igot trail shoes and I was going
other places to do some runningand the shoes didn't agree with
(16:15):
me.
Like I would do some short runs.
I'm like, all right, I'm goingto do 13 mile run or whatever.
And I did them in these trailshoes and then I literally I got
seven miles out and I had totake them off and I had to hold
them in my hand and walkbarefoot back home.
It sucked Like I'm just likeman this is, and I like I had
(16:36):
pinched nerves up my right legand I'm like shit.
So I ended up doing I'm goingdown from the 50 to the half
marathon.
I just did with a buddy, butthat's still like the one race.
I'm like, ah, I might come outof retirement for um, but with
the, the 50 miler.
That was like a nick bear thingright.
Did his company put it on?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
yeah.
So that's why, if it was anyother ultra, I probably would
have just said, no, I'll justnot go, I'll rest my foot.
But I've been following thisguy for the last four or five
years and it meant a lot to me.
So, no matter what, it wasn't aquestion whether I was
finishing or not, it was just metelling myself just keep moving
(17:14):
.
And my run sure didn't looklike a run, but I was just not
stopping the whole time, nomatter how painful it was.
But I still ended up finishingjust under 11 hours.
Not the goal I wanted to get,but there was a 15-hour time cap
, so I was still pretty happywith it there was a 15 hour time
(17:39):
cap, so I was still prettyhappy with it.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, uh, and I think I just like clicked on one of
the.
When he posted on youtube orsomething, I think they were
saying like, hey, like there'sgonna be, was it horses or
cattle or something like it.
Like, get out the way if you're, if you're running yeah, I
didn't expect that either.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
at the, the thing was is it was so mysterious we
didn't know the location untilwe checked in the day of the
race.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
So yeah, I just figured out.
It was like a 45-minute drivefrom where I was staying.
It was on some ranch in themiddle of Liberty Hill, texas.
At the briefing about half anhour before the race, they said
there's wild bulls, wild hogs,snakes, um, barbed wire just
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listing all these hazards andthey just basically said if
you're not comfortable running,then just don't start the race.
But we have no way ofcontrolling this and there's
actually currently a wild bullon the loose.
So it was.
It was pretty raw.
It was pretty raw race, but Ihad, honestly, the best
(18:46):
experience of my entire lifedoing it.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
That sounds, sounds so cool.
Just make sure everybody's like, okay, just make sure your
waivers are signed Head on out,yeah, yeah, and you know,
because you're saying you usedifferent things, some
carbohydrates, as tools.
I think in the one piece oflike the narrative that I feel
like everybody is getting islike you can't do these races
(19:13):
unless you are like a sugarburner.
You have to have 100 carbs inthe hour.
You know, and we're going totalk about some Ironman stuff
too, but, like you know what thesuggestions that I was seeing,
like how much food you should beeating on your bike, to me it's
it seems ridiculous of how manycarbohydrates that people are
consuming over time.
(19:35):
Gut issues, right, all these,the GI distress, and you know, I
feel like it is getting morepopular of being like a fat
adapted athlete using fat asfuel, but it's definitely not
the mainstream yet.
And there's a lot of companiesthat are involved with this
Gatorade shot blocks, a powerjet, whatever they are nowadays.
(19:56):
Uh, and you know I always haveconversations with people about
there's.
I mean, they're strapped up.
They got they're doing a 5k andthey got like they got like 20
little like gel things in theirpocket.
I go if we can't get to likethrough a 5k without eating,
there's a problem here there's aproblem here.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, and I'm a firm believer like you shouldn't need
to fuel during a race if it'sanything less than an hour, so
anything over an hour that'swhen, yeah, go have a gel, but
anything below that you don'tneed it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, I always go to this quote from Vidya Tortorich.
He's like you can't outrun abad diet and you can't outlift
your fork and it just there's alot of people and nobody talks
about it enough.
Like, if you look besides theelite, right, let's take the
pros and elite out of enduranceracing and people that are just
(20:56):
like the weekend warrioradvocates that want to do this
kind of stuff, some of them thatare passing the finish line.
They did the race but theydon't look healthy.
Some of them actually go inthese endeavors to to lose
weight, to whatever.
I want to complete this goal, Iwant to get healthier but then
they actually end up gainingweight by the end because
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they're working out and thenthey're over consuming during
training, the recovery of whatthey think they need to have or
what's prescribed to them.
They're eating more than theirfill and then after they
continue the same eating habitsand then they're not racing
anymore, so they gain even moreweight.
And I feel like that is such atrend that is happening with
(21:40):
people and nobody wants toacknowledge it, because that
goes against the grain of whatwe should be doing.
Yeah, I went to a workshop andI'm not going to say the name of
the gym, but I went to aworkshop and they were doing a
marathon Chicago marathonscoming up in october so they had
a bunch of coaches in therethat either are doing the
marathon themselves or trainingclients and what they should
(22:02):
have to eat.
And we all got a bag and wewalked in.
It was a nice, nice gym, nicepresentation.
There was a nutritionist thereand in our bag and I shit you
not there was Pringles, gummysnacks, like these candy gel
things.
It just was like junk and theywere putting on the screen of
(22:23):
what we should people should beeating and like she was saying
Cheerios have.
She was saying making, shecalled them shower smoothies,
where you should be as soon asyou wake up, make your smoothie
with like this much veggies,this much, like she sees
wherever the heck she had, anddown it in the shower to get you
because you need to keep itlike the amount of I'm like I
(22:45):
don't even eat that much food.
And it was wild and I and thisis like she kept saying I'm a
nutritionist, I'm a nutritionistor a dietitian or whatever and
somebody raised their hand and Iwas just shutting up because,
like I'm not, like this is theirthing.
I'm gonna shut up and not say aword because I'm like I did a
whole iron man on carnivore.
I didn't even eat this manycarbohydrates.
(23:06):
And somebody raised their hand.
They're like, hey, I, becausepeople were literally just
before.
We're saying hey, when I eat, Ieat this way, I get bloated.
And then her response was likewell, how are you eating?
Are you eating standing up orsitting down?
I was like, okay, so this guyhad this question.
It was a good question.
He goes I've been hearing a lotabout people doing their runs
(23:28):
fasted because it makes themfeel better and it actually
helps your performance.
And she just shot him down.
She's like no, she goes justmic drop.
No, don't do that, that'sdangerous, whatever.
And I was like pissed.
I was like I'm going to raisemy hand here.
And I was like, hey, I've donea full half Ironman with
(23:49):
electrolytes and water.
I did a full Ironman with maybe50 carbs and I go.
All of my runs, all my training, most of it was fasted and it
was good.
And I'm like I don't thinkthat's fair to just tell
somebody that, like, if theywant to explore it for
themselves, they should be ableto, because if they have GI
distress from eating.
(24:10):
How you're telling them to eat.
That's not good for them, sowhy won't let them them like,
figure it out or have thisself-expiration?
And the answer was well, youknow, everybody's different n
equals one.
I go.
What the hell kind of answer isthis?
Uh, I texted some othercarnivore coaches in space.
I'm like dude, we got a lot ofwork to do.
Like this is what they'rehaving these people eat in a
race.
Is is so crazy.
(24:30):
Um yeah, sorry I went on a rant, but no, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I just the thing that bothers me is just the type of
carbohydrates.
It's fine if that's what youbelieve is.
You know carbs will make youperform, but why does it come
down to Pringles?
Why does it come down toCheerios?
If I were to consume carbswhile I'm training, I can go out
of my way and make maple syrupgels they have so many honey
(24:58):
gels nowadays you can have ricecakes, like anything healthier
that still is quick to digest.
But yet people are resorting tofoods that have seed oils and
I'm not going to get into seedoils, but like just you could,
you could go on tangent butwheat and things that do upset
(25:20):
your stomach during those races.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And a lot of.
If you look on some of theseperformance bars or whatever it
may be like, it's a laundry listof stuff that I can't even
pronounce.
It's not even food.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, whereas you can easily just search up a recipe,
make a protein bar, probablywith dates, protein powder and
coconut, you know it's.
It doesn't take that much andif your goal is to be healthy
but also perform, it's worthtaking just a little bit of
extra time to make a healthieralternative.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And now kind of going into I know you're doing you're
, you're prepping for an Ironman, you know for the Ironman
training.
How is that going and what aresome things that are going well
and what are some challengesright now?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Well, I'll start with .
The challenges is that I'mstill pretty injured.
Both my knees are prettyscrewed up from the ultra.
I did the ultra in June andit's now mid-September, so just
trying to kind of get treatmenton that.
My foot is not broken anymore,but it's still not where I want
(26:34):
to be.
I'm able to start running alittle bit, but I just find
there's a threshold right now interms of time so I can go out
for a bike ride, but max timetill my knee or foot really
start bothering me is about 90minutes and my running is not
going above 40 minutes.
(26:54):
I am swimming.
Swimming's been going well.
I've been at it for pretty mucha year now in the pool, two to
three times a week.
I don't have a specific coachright now.
I'm just kind of training tomaintain until I actually figure
out what's wrong with myinjuries and what race I'm
picking.
I have my eyes set on a race inApril.
(27:16):
It will be the full Ironman.
But nutrition wise, um yeah,the last couple months it's been
around 20-30 grams of carbs,strictly from molasses, just
because there's good potassiumcontent in it which a lot of
people don't know it's just thecertain type you get, which is
(27:43):
blackstrap molasses.
Yeah, so MCT oil is big, becauseI find that was another thing I
used during my ultra was MCToil because it doesn't need to
go down to it, doesn't take longto digest, it just kind of goes
straight to your liver and usedas fuel.
But lately I've been kind ofthinking of the idea of adding a
(28:07):
little bit more carbs back in,just from maybe a bit more
molasses, maple syrup or somewhite rice, just because
sometimes I find my body goesinto phases where it feels more
tired and I just hate kind ofdragging through my workouts.
But a lot of times I'llexperiment with adding some
(28:28):
carbs in max 50 grams, 65.
And then if I don't feel goodI'll just remove them, and I'm a
big fan of just experimenting.
There's no right or wrong.
Every individual is different.
So a lot of times people thatdo strict carnivore and they're
(28:50):
very against carbohydrates, alot of them aren't exercising, a
lot of them are just stillhealing from a lot of issues
they have.
But if you are high level andvery active, sometimes you need
just a little bit of extra carbsand I also find those carbs
(29:14):
stimulate my digestion so I caneat a little bit more.
Otherwise, if I'm just eatingfat, I'm stuffed and can't
really eat enough.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, that's a great point because there's a ton of
people and, again, the carnivorecommunity, all communities, it
doesn't matter.
There's the dogmatic of you gotto do carnivore this way, you
have to do the lion diet way.
You got beet, red, red meat,salt water, nothing else.
Oh, coffee, you lose yourcarnivore card, like you know,
(29:46):
stuff like that.
But it really needs to be tothe individual.
And, again, like you said, alot of people go to this diet to
eliminate things, to help heal.
I mean, I was vegan for twoyears.
Really, yeah, oh yeah, wayopposite now.
I was vegan for two years and Ifelt some health benefits at the
(30:09):
beginning, mainly like losingbody fat and feeling better than
the standard American diet.
And then I had belferitis in myeyes.
I gained all the weight back,my gut was bad, my hair was
falling out.
I was like this is something'sup and for me, some people can
(30:31):
do vegan, some people can dovegetarian, completely fine, but
for the people that like, hey,this is affecting my life, I
have these issues, they go on tothe elimination diet and most
of them don't go back, but they,because that's the one thing
that healed them.
They think that's the end-all,be-all, which isn't the case.
Everybody has their ownindividuality.
(30:51):
Some people go carnivore andadd the fruit in and they like
it and they feel good or feelbetter.
Some people, fruit doesn'tagree with them, but that's a
good point, because the peoplethat are really super strict on
it, yeah, that help them.
But again, if you're going tobe doing get up and do 50 miles,
boss, that's going to need someextra things I use that, yeah,
(31:18):
at the end of the day, forcertain people it is all about
getting enough calories in ifthey're burning so much.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
And the reason I started carnivore, animal based,
was to heal certain issues Iwas having, and now that I feel
some of them are healed, that'swhen I can start adding in foods
again.
I'm not adding in vegetables,I'm not adding in fruits, it's
just more quickly digestingcarbs that I use strategically
(31:44):
around my workouts.
So a lot of people will just gooff on you, whether it's on
social media.
You're doing this wrong, blah,blah, blah.
At the end of the day, I reallycould care less because it's
going in my body.
Everyone's different.
I don't know why people get onyou about how you are doing
(32:08):
things, because if you feel goodlike you don't even know me.
Why are you packing?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You don't know me, son.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You don't know me so I mean it's just everybody's
different.
You got to play around withwhatever works for you and how
does your?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
when you made this switch?
Um, I know you said some of thehaters on social media, right,
but what about, like familyfriends when you went to this
style of eating?
Was there some like kind ofpushback?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
My family didn't do much.
I've always made my own foodever since probably high school,
just because I like controllingthat part.
And they know my family knowshow long I've been suffering
with these issues, especiallybeing trapped together during
the pandemic.
So full support.
(33:03):
They didn't really bat an eyeat it.
My mom would actually.
She goes through phases oftrying carnivore, phases of
trying carnivore, but even forherself she says I just feel
like a little bit better withmaybe a little bit of fermented
sourdough or sauerkraut fruitbefore my workouts.
People around me whether it'swork, they straight up think
(33:28):
it's weird.
But I know the reasoning behindit, I know the science behind
it.
So I just kind of bite my lip.
Otherwise I know I'm going togo on a full-on rant.
So yeah, like I said before, Idon't really care what people
think of what I eat, especiallyon social media.
(33:49):
If you don't like seeing what Ieat, don't follow me.
Either way, it doesn't affectme Because if I feel healthy, at
the end of the day that's whatmatters to me.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Absolutely With your, with your training that you're
doing now.
Um, you know you said gettingback into the running, biking.
You have, you know, a timelimit until you're all healed up
and the swims are good.
What about your strengthtraining?
You know how many days a weekare you implementing that and
what kind of lifts are you doing?
I mean, there's like everybodyis a little bit different, like
(34:21):
they have different splits orwhatever.
So what's kind of yourmethodology right now?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah.
So I mean, when I first gotinto the gym and fitness I
probably 10 years ago, eightyears ago it was I just loved
bodybuilding.
It's therapeutic to me.
I like seeing the progress.
For me it honestly wasn't aboutlooks, I just it was a good
stress relief, good time awayfrom school work, just time to
(34:49):
myself to be in my own head.
So I've always enjoyedbodybuilding and I've done that
for the last eight years on topof my endurance training or a
sport I was doing.
So I usually lift every day,maybe not two times a day, so
probably five days a week.
I do more of a quad focus day,more of a hamstring focus day,
(35:19):
more of a quad focus day, moreof a hamstring focus day, and
then typical kind ofbodybuilding split.
I just kind of go in autoregulate, see how I'm feeling.
That day I'll hit shoulders,triceps, biceps, back, like I
said.
I usually do it on the samedays, but if I have to deter off
of that because of a swim Ihave planned and my upper body
is a little bit fatigued, I justgo off by feel.
(35:40):
Some people in the bodybuildingspace might not agree with that,
but I'm not competing for ashow, I'm just doing it to
improve my running, my biking,my swimming, my mental health.
And again, it's my body.
You know, I know how to listento it.
I just yeah, I don't like whenpeople tell you what to do.
(36:03):
So it is my life.
I like being in control of mylife, so typically five times a
day.
If it's a leg workout, I willdo that in the morning.
But if it's a leg workout, Iwill do that in the morning.
But if it's upper body, I likedoing that at night, when I'm
more fueled and I have myendurance done.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
So, yeah, five times a week, right, yeah, Uh, it's.
I think it's this smart thingto do.
There's a lot of people thatget out what they're doing races
they get away from the strengthtraining too much and I always
say, like, like, strength islike the cup, and if you want to
put, you know, the stronger youare, the bigger the cup's going
to be.
You can fit more endurance,flexibility, resistance, um, you
(36:45):
know, resilience into that cup.
If you're stronger, Um, butyeah, I see you on the Instagram
hanging and banging and youknow heavy deadlifts and stuff.
So it's, it's awesome thatyou're.
You're still doing somestrength training while while
training for an Ironman.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, and I've never slowed down, like there wasn't a
time where I, you know, took amonth off because I was training
for this race.
It was almost like oh, a racecame up, I'm going to sign up
and just add a little bit on topand reduce a little bit of
weightlifting.
Even when I was training forthe ultra, I did weightlifting
(37:21):
up until maybe four or five daysout, probably four, but at the
same time I was injured.
So it's all I could do tomaintain my fitness.
So I mean, I do listen to mybody.
If something's hurting, I'm notgoing to push through.
Um, people might say that's whyyou get so injured.
If I'm injured, I'm not goingto work, I'm not going to
(37:43):
exercise that certain part of mybody and I'm going to fuel to
recover properly.
But some people are more proneto injuries than others,
unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
And it's a hybrid piece that hybrid athletes like
hey, I can go clip 10, 15 on arun and still go have a good
lifting session the next day andbe the best of both worlds.
And for some of the listeners,you have a youtube channel
that's out.
Um, what kind of content areyou planning on creating for
like subscribers and you knowwhat?
(38:15):
Do you hope that people youknow, if they tune in, gain from
it?
Speaker 2 (38:20):
yeah, it's been a long time coming.
Probably for the last fouryears I've wanted to start, but
I've just been making excuses, Idon't know how, I don't know
how to edit, and then finallyI'm just bought a vlogging
camera and let's do this thing.
So I've just kind ofdocumenting more of the real
(38:43):
side of myself, because peopledon't people that don't know you
don't really know certain sidesof you, so I am pretty outgoing
.
Once you get to know me, I tryto be funny.
I don't know if it works, but Ilike documenting my days of
training, my days of eating.
As somebody who eats differentthan most people, I just did a
(39:10):
recent video of what I used toeat for breakfast when I was
younger, so I enjoyed doing that.
One brought back a lot ofmemories, but right now it's
more just daily things, and thenprobably in the future, I'll
(39:32):
then probably in the future I'llkind of jazz it up a bit and
make more strategic videos.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
but yeah, yeah, I mean it's, it's hard, like
always.
The first step I remember whenI like I started mine, my,
actually my tag was carnivoreathlete.
Like that was my.
I even had carnivore athletecomat one point.
Uh, yeah, and uh, it's goingwith that.
And then I then I startedfeeling like I don't really want
to be dogmatic of just this ismy like carnivores, the end all
(39:55):
be all.
And then so I'm like, oh, let meditch that and that's kind of
what I want to like more primal,um aspect, but it's, it's a,
it's a little bit of a leap.
And then, like, not that, Ilike I have no idea what'm doing
, I'm just posting crap that Ithink people are going to like
and whatever, like you said, hey, like, if you don't like it,
like don't subscribe, don'twatch, but uh, but no, it's,
(40:16):
it's all good stuff.
And I think when people seeyour content, I think because
you're doing like the day to daystuff, I think they're
resonating with you, you know,and they're they're following
you more because, like, oh, thisperson's like a real person
versus you know any somebodythat's famous.
Like you see something doctoredup, okay, okay, whatever, but
uh no, I think people are veryjoining it.
(40:36):
And again I came across yourpage.
I was like, oh, she's, she's,she's, badass, I got, I got to
talk to this person.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah, and I mean, and I try to put out content that I
like to see as well.
So and same with social media.
I'll follow people that I thecontent I like to see.
So I just try to be myself.
I don't want to be like anybodyelse, I don't want to copy
everybody with YouTube and doingday in the life spot.
(41:05):
With YouTube and doing day inthe life spot.
It's something I've wanted tostart for so long and I just
felt it's almost it's a projectfor me to do.
Sometimes I just I do get boredsometimes when I'm not training
, not working.
So it's just something to workon for me and it's something I
(41:28):
want to see and look back onwhen I'm a bit older and maybe
laugh at myself, just kind ofhave fun with it.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, absolutely.
And what's coming up?
I know the Ironman you saidApril.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Hopefully, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
What location?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
It would be the one in Texas, oh cool.
It is one of the prochampionship races, so it might
be a little bit busy.
But me, I'm just going in tohave fun.
But at the same time I know inthe back of my mind I want to
qualify for age group worlds inKona.
(42:10):
So yeah, I'm going to throwthat out there.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
But yeah, it's just me.
I always go in to do somethingfor fun as an experience, but
secondary, I'm always no, I'mgetting top of my age group, I'm
going to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So that's what happened with myfirst triathlon in August.
I just went in with having fun,but I knew there was an age
(42:36):
group award.
So I was like I'm still goingto push hard, no matter what
third or second in my age group.
So awesome, awesome, awesome andanything else coming up besides
that um, there's a couple localraces I might just sign up for
fun.
Um might get disappointed justbecause of previous times I've
(42:59):
had and injuries that I have now.
But just gonna keep chippingaway on the training, hopefully
find an actual coach or trainingplan for the Ironman, and
between now and then, who knowswhat I'll do.
The burpees have kind of beenon my mind again, so who knows
if I'll attempt that.
I don't know why, but I getthese weird thoughts in my head
(43:23):
sometimes and tend to listen tothem.
But if anybody hasrecommendations of what I should
do, just let me know.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah for sure.
Well, you know we're going tobe rooting for you every step of
the way, following your journeyand you know I, you know I wish
you the best and, um, I'mlooking forward to seeing you
know, if you're, if you're, able, to, go in April, I'd love to.
You know, follow you and, uh,you know, get your bib and we'll
make sure that we're trackingyou.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, for sure, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Cool.
And then what's?
Uh, where can people follow you, your Instagram and your
YouTube?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Yeah, so my Instagram is at Izzy Watson, with two N's
Um, and then youtube is izzywatson, fit um, and I think
that's about all I have.
I do have some tiktok, but it'sjust random everyday things.
So I believe that's the same asmy instagram account and that's
(44:24):
about it.
But if anybody ever wants tomessage me, I'm always open to
answering DMs or comments.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Cool, awesome.
I'll put all that in the shownotes.
And again, thanks for coming on, appreciate the time, and
thanks for everybody listeningto the Primal Foundations
podcast.
Thank you all for joining us.
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