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The xenomorph evolves yet again as our hosts dive into the troubled waters of Alien 3, the controversial third entry in the Alien franchise that divided fans and critics alike. What happens when a promising concept meets corporate meddling? We explore this fascinating cinematic train wreck with equal parts disappointment and admiration.

Our journey begins with immediate heartbreak as we confront the film's most controversial decision—the unceremonious off-screen deaths of beloved characters from Aliens. We track Ripley's arrival on Fiorina "Fury" 161, a maximum-security prison populated by male inmates who've formed a religious cult. This fascinating setting creates a unique atmosphere unlike anything seen in previous installments, combining post-apocalyptic religious fervor with classic xenomorph horror.

The episode digs deep into the film's new contributions to alien lore, particularly the quadrupedal xenomorph born from a dog (or ox, depending on which cut you watch). Does an alien take on characteristics of its host? Is this new variant less intelligent than its human-born counterparts? And what about the queen embryo gestating inside Ripley herself? We unpack all these questions while examining how the film builds on established mythology.

Behind the scenes, we explore the troubled production history that led director David Fincher to disown the film entirely. From script problems to constant studio interference, Alien 3 became a cautionary tale of Hollywood meddling—ironically mirroring the evil corporation Weyland-Yutani's own destructive pursuit of the perfect organism. Despite these challenges, we highlight the film's impressive cast (including a pre-Game of Thrones Charles Dance) and striking visual aesthetic that somehow emerged from the chaos.

Whether you consider Alien 3 a fascinating failure or an underappreciated gem, join us for this juicy dissection of a film that, for better or worse, changed the trajectory of the Alien franchise forever. And stay tuned—our Alien marathon continues next week with Alien Resurrection!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to episode 133 of Project Geekology
.
This is the continueddiscussion of our Alien
franchise marathon.
Basically, we're just, weekafter week, covering another
Alien movie.
We're going to be eventuallycovering Alien Earth as well,
and we're covering Alien 3, onthis third part of this series,

(00:25):
and we're reaching back to someof the cast from Aliens 2 as we
start this movie off.
We have Ripley, we have Newt,we have Corporal Hicks and then
we have the android Bishop allreturning, for you know at least
the start of this movie andwe'll see where these adventures
go from here.
I'm one third of your hosts,dakota, and I'm joined, as

(00:48):
always, with anthony and Ithought it was alien cubed uh,
is that, is that actually thewouldn't cubed be?
oh, no, two is squared, so threeis squared, three is cubed yeah
you're right.
Okay, so maybe this is justalien cubed yes I'll have to
mull that one over, but what?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
number is alien, though.
Like what number representsalien?
And like how are they cubing aword?

Speaker 1 (01:14):
excellent question.
Excellent question.
We're gonna be pondering this.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yes, yes uh, and and the the the last of our hosts
joining us this week is.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Rich, and I think that the way you cube something,
a word, is you have to use theFOIL method.
I'm an English teacher, not amath teacher, but I firmly
believe this.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Do explain the FOIL method, because I don't think I
made it that far in math.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
So it's when you have to multiply two binomials it
outer, inner, lasts.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
That's the the order of the multiplication you have
to do when you then make it intoa first outer inner last okay
foil very good, and does thattranslate at all to the alien in
this film?

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I mean it looked a little kind of metal-like when
it was dripping that juice, butI'm not sure if there's any
other relation other than thesteel look.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
All right.
So let's hold on, let's backthis up.
The first would be the firstalien from the alien movie.
Then the outer might have beenthe queen the queen, yeah, okay.
In the second movie.
The inner would be probablywhatever's in ripley during this
movie and the l.
The last is probably this alienin alien 3, or alien cubed, as

(02:36):
anthony is so willingly testingme on there's a pop quiz next
week there's a pop quiz nextweek for alien resurrection.
Guys, be guys, be there or besquare.
I'm going to get this right outof the way.
This movie is juicy andprobably not in the way that
anybody wants it to be juicy.
You know, in previous Alienfranchise movies we've had juicy

(02:59):
aliens, we've had juicyandroids.
Now we have juicy humans.
A lot of blood is shed in.
This movie had juicy androids,now we have juicy humans.
A lot of blood is shed in thismovie.
Um, and it's, it's very typical, uh, I think of early 90s and
mid 90s movies that are tryingto be a little edgier.
You think of like the like,going all the way up to like
blade.
In the late 90s you have thislike level of rated r, where
it's like super edgy to be goryand crass and yeah, it's uh dark

(03:24):
, you know it's it's.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
And it's the grunge era of films, you know it's
definitely, it's definitely thegrunge era of films.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
So, in honor of the, the, the juiciness of it all, um
, I'm gonna ask you guys to givethis podcast, on whatever
podcast application you'relistening to, a five-star review
, but not just a five-starreview.
Make it a juicy five-starreview, as, as we enjoy here, um
, there's a little bit of crunchin this movie, not the good

(03:52):
kind, uh like a bone-sawingcrunch in it, and I don't really
I don't think that reallyapplies to this podcast for this
episode.
But guys, give us a five-starjuicy review if it's, uh, the
last thing you, you do onwhatever day you're listening to
this.
If it's the last thing that youdo, you better.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
They're on their last breath.
I got to give them thatfive-star review.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Last thing you do on the day that you listen to this.
I'm not telling you it'sdownhill from here, it's uphill,
I think.
To this.
I'm not.
I'm not telling you it's it'sdownhill from here, um, it's
uphill, I think.
So.
Anyway, guys, uh, yeah, we're,we're gonna jump into our review
very shortly, but before we getinto any of that, I'm gonna
send it over to rich.
What have you been up to thispast week?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
uh, just uh kind of in full swing with uh, cross
country again.
Uh, the school year is kind ofgetting into full swing.
I had to go to my son's openhouse, which whenever I go to
like an open house or a parentteacher conference.
I know as a parent I'm supposedto do it to be a good person,
but I feel like I'm crossing thepicket line, like I'm a scab,
like I'm a teacher and I'm goingand making another teacher's

(04:58):
day longer by by being there andand I feel I feel kind of wrong
about that.
But outside of that I've justreally been still.
I mean, the season is windingdown in MLB.
I have one more player to get.
I think I'm almost there, guys,mlb the show right I will
finally, yes, be able to buy theAaron Judge regular card, which

(05:22):
will give me the entirety ofall mlb 26, all all the
franchises.
I will finally get that topcarlos beltran card that I've
been eyeing since april.
So we're almost here.
We're almost here.
It's hard to do, though,because I'm grinding a lot and
the mets are terrible.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Can I ask you actually?
Yeah, mlb, the show does.
It does like the season endswhen the mlb season ends, or
it's just it'll go a littlefurther.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Like they'll they'll include because, like they have,
like they have mini seasons orwhatever seasons they call them.
So like we're on season sevenright now, so they'll probably
have another season that'll bethe playoffs they'll release
special cards and then they'llhave like one that ends.
It'll be after the world series.
Like they'll release some kindof cool world series car edition

(06:14):
for the players that are leftin the playoffs and then it'll
finally end.
I think like officially, theystopped, like uploading a lot of
new stuff, like middle november.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
I want to say okay, all right, very good.
Um, I want to pivot, uh, whatyou've been up to this past week
, because you've been doingsomething for the past couple
weeks, pretty much ever since westarted the smallville oh uh
podcast um, and you're almostdone.
You, you've been on a marathonstint.
Uh and uh, how far, how far areyou in smallville at this point

(06:44):
?
Uh, you don't have much left.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I don't even know.
Three, four weeks ago wewatched one season of Smallville
and now I'm on season 10.
It's been a journey.
I mean, I'm at work and whennobody's around and I'm just
grading papers, I just throwSmallville back on.
I'll watch like 15 to 20minutes of it and then just have
to pause it and come back to it.
But with Hulu it's reallyconvenient.

(07:07):
So I'm just watching itwherever I want to watch it.
If I'm in the car waiting formy son outside of Taekwondo
before I pick him up, hey,that's another 10 minutes of
Smallville, I can get in there.
So it's crazy.
I forgot what happens.
It's nuts.
Lana Lang is still a villain, Ican happily say in season 10, I
still firmly believe.

(07:27):
Especially, do you think sheknows that she's a villain?
Oh yeah, she gets like avillain haircut.
When she comes back she's likelook at me, I'm Lana, the
villain haircut Like she's Idon't know man, she's bad news
bears.
She's terrible.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Fair enough.
So she's bad news bears.
She's terrible.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Fair enough.
So you're on season.
What now?
Last season, season 10.
I just started episode tworight before we got together
today.
Fantastic, I'll probably bedone with season 10.
It's 22 episodes, so I wouldput it at.
Today is Wednesday, probablySaturday.
I'll be texting you guys aboutthis.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Very fair, very fair.
I'm going to send it over toAnthony.
What the heck have you been up,guy?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Hey, just to let you know, rich and you did this to
yourself after we're done withthe Alien Marathon, we are doing
Season 2.
Oh no, so get ready to go back.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh no, I have so many thoughts.
Oh no, I'm going to be like acertain character when another
character inhabited thatcharacter and overloaded them.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
You played yourself, man.
But so what have I been up toman?
A whole lot of nothing butworking, that's not fun.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
A whole lot of nothing but work man.
Yeah, that sucks.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
No well, no, not like I've been working like all the
time, but like I feel likereally just like in the last
time that that we've recordedlike I've been working like all
the time, but like I feel likereally just like in the last
time that that we've recordedlike I've.
You know, it's just been likenormal day to day, like I'm
working and then then like I'llgo to the gym and then I go play
some some video games youhaven't had time to yourself to
like.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
enjoy something.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, I mean I have had time to enjoy myself, like
you know, gaming and stuff, butyou know it's just like.
You know just like it's beenroutine stuff that I've.
That I've been up to, like I'mnot saying that work has been
insane, but I mean I've justbeen like you know, just it's
been just work, gym, you know,gaming a bit at night and then

(09:21):
going to sleep.
But I do have.
I do have like a little miniconvention that I'm going to
close by on saturday, so that'llbe fun oh, that's cool.
What, what a little when I saymini convention, like it's going
to be in a high school gym nice.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Oh, I've been to one of those is the best.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, I don't know if they're the best but they exist
well, I mean, uh, I meanthey're, they're, they're
actually really fun and thereason why, like I I say that is
because the larger ones can besensory overload and sometimes
you can get some like reallylike.
These small conventions arealmost like you.

(10:01):
You get the, the, you do getsome artists that come in and
people that come in with theirstuff, but it's almost like a
garage sale also and you canfind some like really good finds
like the last mini one that Iwent to, I found pokemon silver
for like a really, really goodprice.
Where we're in a world where andand I like was able to like

(10:21):
verify that it was a legit one,but in a world where, like
pokemon silver is like sellingupwards to like verify that it
was a legit one.
But in a world where, likePokemon Silver is like selling
upwards to like a hundreddollars, I got it for like 40.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Those places I used to go to the Knights of Columbus
, uh around here with my dad andman, like for card shows, and
they were like cringe and kindof sad, but at the same time you
got some great deals so it waskind of worth going to yes, sir,
but yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
So that that's what I have going on.
And well, I mean, I don't thinkI had said like last last week,
but I did end up going to seeearlier last week I did go to
see, uh, freakier friday I thinkyou did mention it, but did I
mention?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I don't remember if you mentioned whether or not you
liked it or not.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, no, it was fun, I liked it.
It was a solid movie.
I think that it lived up prettywell to like the first movie
Awesome, yeah, you know, thefirst one being a Lindsay Lohan
classic, like that was just likethe Lindsay Lohan era back then
.
So, yeah, it was fun to see hercome back around.

(11:26):
But, yeah, what have you beenup to Dakota?

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Not a whole lot of pop culture stuff like we would
normally discuss in the podcast.
I went down to Miami literallylike the morning after we
recorded last week's episode,because my great-grandmother was
in the hospital.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Oh, okay, that that's .
That's which one I was actuallygoing to ask you which which
grandmother, which, uh,grandmother yeah yeah, it's the.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
It's the centenarian, the.
She's 100 years old.
She fell and broke eight ribs,but somehow is still kicking and
is being discharged.
I think she was dischargedyesterday from the hospital, so
they're going to finally requireher to use a.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Was it like downstairs or?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
It just fell in her room.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, oh okay, At a certain point you get too weak.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
But yeah, surprisingly she's still kicking
, thankfully, but it's kind oflike a weird thing because how
do you survive that at 100 yearsold?
It's crazy.
I don't know, surprisinglyshe's still kicking, thankfully,
but it's kind of like a weirdthing because, like, how do you
survive that at 100 years old?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
it's crazy I don't know.
Hey, man, she, she's likeyou're not gonna, you're not
gonna take me down at 100 yearsold yeah, I know I, I guess
she's uh, it's been for 101, butanyway, uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So I was down there, visited family.
It was in the nursing home forlike most of it, honestly, it
was like four or five hours.
Family it was in the nursinghome for, like most of it,
honestly, it was like four orfive hours a day.
I was in the nursing home justsitting there.
Otherwise I listened to thealiens plural aliens sequel uh,
novelization, um, not too muchnew stuff there, but they do.

(13:00):
It's kind of like the specialedition of aliensens where they
do incorporate the deletedscenes that are in the special
edition cut of the second movie.
So that was kind of coolbecause I hadn't seen those in
forever.
And I'm probably going to goback and rewatch the Alien
special edition sometime eithertomorrow or Friday, from um,

(13:23):
from my, from my own liketimeline notes or whatever.
And uh, yeah, I watched alien 3or alien cubed today and I
downloaded the novelization forthat and I'm gonna I'm gonna
supplement my, my watch of thatuh with that audiobook and then
I'm gonna go into alienresurrectionurrection after I

(13:44):
finish the audiobook.
So that's my game plan.
With the Alien movie slashnovelizations, I get a little
bit of a brief respite withPrometheus, because there's no
novelization for that one, butthere's a prequel novel and a
novelization of Alien Covenant.
So by the time we get to that,I have a lot of alien covenant.

(14:06):
So by the time we get to that,I have a lot of like listening
to do uh, for for that.
But I'm excited about thatbecause that's, a the only alien
movie I've never seen and b theonly alien movie that gets a
prequel novelization or prequelnovel officially so, oh, oh, you
didn't see prometheus, I sawprometheus, I didn't see
Covenant oh, okay, yeah, I sawCovenant what's next?

(14:29):
so Alien 3, then there's AlienResurrection and then it goes
into the prequels Prometheus,alien Covenant, and then there's
Romulus, which technicallytakes place between 1 and 2, and
they're all basically differentstories, which is just.
It's such a bizarre franchise.
They they go through so manydifferent, like twists and turns

(14:52):
, and alien cubed, as anthony iswant to call it, is no, is no
different.
This is the probably the mostbizarre one to me.
Actually, it's probably not themost bizarre one, but it's.
It's up there in like the toptwo most bizarre choices for the
alien franchise.
You know what?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
I'm I'm actually still a little surprised that
this was like the one seriesthat passed rich, like, like
like when I think of um, becauseI, I know you watched the
predator series and I did toobut like alien is like, kind of
like when it's like when you'vewatched predator you've also
watched alien well, kind of youknow, like they're two sides of

(15:31):
this of like the same coin.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
But then again, I've never watched the predator, but
you're also, I've never.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
That's crazy man am I the only one that's seen both?
I think you are, in this caseyou have to understand also.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
The thing is, though, that when, like when, when I'm
in florida and that predatormovie comes on on the movie
channel, I see arnold, who Ilove all right, like I already
seen some arnold stuff, whateverI don't know.
His voice is hilarious, and butalso, the other draw was jesse
the body ventura.
He was a big wrestling guy, soI was like, oh, it's that, it's

(16:02):
that wrestling guy, right, so Iwas more drawn to that, like if
you didn't have, you know,sigordney weaver, and it was
like hulk hogan, I guess youknow like, oh, no, bro, the
aliens aren't gonna get me,brother, you know, like, what
you're gonna do aliens.
You know, like I'd be, watchingthat in was in Gremlins 2.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I will say, though, that the acting between the two
is different.
The earlier Predators are alittle corny, and I think it is
yeah, no, yeah, yeah, it's corny.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Well, I think they've got you pushing too many
pencils.
Okay, anthony, I think that'sthe problem.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
That high five is the greatest high five of all time.
We're not getting.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I have seen that actually.
Yeah, no, what happened?

Speaker 1 (16:53):
I've seen the high five, but anyway we're
digressing.
But anyway, we're digressing.
We'll have to get to Predatorat some point, I thought we were
ingressing because they're inthe same universe.
Potentially.
It's not been like reallyconfirmed.
Hey look, we have Alien vs.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Predator.
Are they canonical?
No, but they exist somewhere,you know.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, and Rich, you're welcome to skip ahead.
Only to Alien vs versuspredator and alien versus
predator requiem, because it'sthe ones that we're not covering
for the show.
Um, good, and it's yeah, so youcan watch those.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
I'm gonna watch them.
I'm gonna bring faultyinformation to our next coverage
because I will, as I always doreference other things that
don't aren't the one that we'retalking about that's fine by me
with In this case.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Shall we jump over to our discussion of Alien 3?
, are you?

Speaker 3 (17:43):
sure you're ready for that.
I'm not sure if you're readyfor that.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I'd like to start by saying something.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
I know nothing about this franchise.
I have trusted you guys.
I have done no extra reading,no extra anything, no extra
rewatches, no watching forward,no watching backwards.
I like.
Aliens 2.
I'm told Rich hang on.
You get to see everybody in thethird one and I'm like
continuity, I love you.

(18:10):
I don't want to have to learnnew characters.
I can just kind of learn acouple new people.
But it's going to be aboutBishop.
It's going to have Newt rightLies, all lies.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
There's going to have new right Lies, All lies.
There's continuity bytechnicality.
All lies and, and, and, and.
We do have a brief appearanceof a Bishop, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
And he's so sad.
He's so sad to be in there thathe's like, please just end me.
But yeah, he was done.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, but yeah he was done, yeah, but then we have
the invasion of a Lannister inthis one.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
I was saying it before.
That's the saving grace, theonly thing that calmed me down.
I was like, oh it's TywinLannister and I just kind of
imagined him cutting a deerapart and Wally haranguing his
sons.
So that did warm the cockles inmy heart.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
but I, uh this, I I was having my, I was having a
good laugh last week when I saidyou know we're gonna have the
continuing adventures of newthicks, rick ripley and bishop uh
, as they make their way back toearth or whatever, whatever.
I said um, and I saw.
I saw the light in your eyelike twinkle and I was just like

(19:25):
oh is that the the anger thatyou had to let out?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
yes, that was the anger I had.
I was so pissed off.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I was like what's gonna happen with Newt?
Maybe it's in.
I had all these questions andthen I was just Look, I know
that I don't think this is thecase, but you ever have a?
I've heard some franchiseswhere they just randomly grabbed
a script and made it the thirdor fourth in that franchise,

(19:55):
even though it doesn't superrelate Like the Hills have Eyes
or something like that.
I think read one of the sequelsis like just a completely
different thing that theyslapped over the franchise on
cloverfield, cloverfield 3 yes,is that?
yes, you know so what in the waylike why didn't we continue the
story of those like of newtover?
Like what?

(20:15):
Why the crash landing on thisprison like an all-male, like
religious prison?
I'm very I was like what isthis australia?
Like I don't understand what ishappening.
I was so I was like I'm back tosquare one, like back to not
knowing what the hell's going onover here.
Guys, you know, and I don't, Idon't know, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
But you know, we're finally kind of tapping into the
name of Xenomorph.
Right.
We have a different one in thismovie.
We have finally gotten anon-humanoid Xenomorph in this
one and it's kind of this one'skind of crazy.
Like they go back to the solo X, solo xenomorph in this one,

(21:00):
the.
The second one had, uh, youknow, a whole bunch of them and
then now this one it's like justone and we're back to just that
one xenomorph being able tojust rip through everybody.
You know, and you know there'sa little, there's a little
secret that's, you know,weighing on ripley's mind that
she finds out later in the film.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
She does.
Yes, there's a lot to unpackwith this one.
There's a lot of really goodideas in this movie and then
there's a lot of really poorlyexecuted.
Most of it is poorly executed.
By the end of the movie, Iwould argue that most of the
film is poorly executed.
I really enjoyed the first half.
I enjoyed the first half.

(21:42):
The pacing was interesting, Iliked the characters and then
when the aliens started killingeveryone off, I just checked out
.
I was just like okay.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
I felt like I laughed a lot during this movie.
There was a lot.
There was a lot because because, like you said, this one where
it's incorporating a lot ofthose aspects of action that we
were getting in the in the 90sand you know, the blood was part
of it and some of the acting Iguess I don't know just the way

(22:13):
that people were acting in the90s was like kind of similar.
Like like I was getting there'sa lot of kind of corniness that
was happening in this movie,but I mean it was.
It was a fun watch.
Like I don't do I think thatit's like the best in the the
series, no, but do I think it'sstill fun to watch?
Yes, like it, you know it was.

(22:34):
It was definitely fun to watchand I think it was even better
to like that to see you knowrich just completely have his
heart broken.
You know, I thought he wantednew to be dead.
He like he, like he was so deadset on like why, is this child
alive in this movie.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
He wanted new to die, you know right.
I didn't, and that's whathappens but not in that way like
just like, just like.
Well, how did she die?
She drowned in like thefreezing fluid.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
There was like a rip in the line.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, yeah, like what drowning in space.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Come on, man, like a little.
Like, if you're gonna give me adeath, like then she should
have had like the alienimplanted in her, like it should
have been a little bit.
I just feel like you wasteddude.
You put like I know it's adifferent director, but you
stuck like you gave her plotarmor and then you kill her off
camera.
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Give her five minutes on screen so I I think that
that was like actually so.
So the the way that you're,you're angry, that that's
actually like one of the biggercomplaints about this movie is
that there are, you know, they.
They survived at the end ofthat movie, just to die off
screen.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I do and I I did like I did say last week that she
had plot armor you agreed withme, so I was like I am golden
she did.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
She did have plot armor for a film for a film.
Yeah, yeah, but but I I did so.
I do agree with you like theearlier in the in the movie.
I do like the, the idea of youknow, ripley like wanting to.
She's like you know, we got toburn these bodies because, you

(24:18):
know, and she was holding offwithholding like the reason why,
like she was saying it wascholera.
Yeah, it was a choleraxenomorphia maybe, but yeah,
like I thought that that waslike a cool idea and then at the
end of the day, it was her thatwas the one that had a
xenomorph implanted in her.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
You mentioned that it's a secret that she keeps,
but she doesn't know it until Idon't even think she like
realizes that it's a possibility.
Until after that that newxenomorph like goes up to her
and basically like sniffs her or, like you know, communicates
with her a little bit and thenleaves right you know, and I

(24:58):
think at that point she realizedoh, I have plot armor again,
for real this time.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Let me go check this out.
Literal plot armor Well.
Well, she also keeps the reasonwhy she wanted like these
bodies burned and or checked.
You know she called it cholerainstead of like yeah, there's a
parasite in it.
You know there's an alienparasite that could be in these
bodies.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
But there's a lot of new stuff that this movie
introduces and I think it'sworth discussing because I like
where they were headed.
There's a lot of like cool justlore stuff that they, you know,
added into the franchise.
Now we know that the gestationperiod for Queens is much longer

(25:40):
than the average alien, becauseshe was on that base for
several days, where we normallysee a like an alien xenomorph
develop and pop out of a bodywithin.
I think I think thenovelization called it 12 hours
for yeah, it was some.
It was definitely like a shortperiod of time yeah, so this is

(26:01):
all happening, uh, rather slowlyfor her and it's giving her I
don't know how she knew it wasthe queen, though she just kind
of assumed, but because she saysit aloud it becomes lore, you
know, like that's, that's rightso I don't know how she
determines that, just from goahead.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I think she determined, possibly like after
that interaction with the alien,that there might have been,
like you said, there might havebeen some sort of communication
or the way that it kind ofreacted to her Like it didn't.
You know, we don't really seehow the xenomorphs interact with

(26:41):
each other.
You know, outside of, like youknow, you just see them rushing
whoever they're trying to kill,but like you don't see them
interacting amongst each other,right?
So I think that, like you know,when she had the idea like oh,
let me get myself checked, youknow, one like that it was
taking, that she was starting tofeel whatever she was feeling
and that it was taking a while,that you know usually that the

(27:04):
xenomorphs are just popping outlike really quick.
And two like yeah, like thatinteraction, maybe she was like
okay, well, it, it sensed thatthe the xenomorph inside of me,
but the interaction was kind ofodd, you know, like some sort of
fealty or whatever.
You know, I don't know, yeah,it's.
You know, maybe that's what shewas.

(27:25):
You know, maybe that that's howshe came up with with the idea.
But you know, at this pointit's speculation.
It's never really like shown,maybe I mean, did it?

Speaker 1 (27:34):
no, it looked the same as any other, I think uh
rich, what are your thoughts sofar on our discussion?
You've been quiet for a bit.
Well all right.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
So I, I do, I do, I like, I like the introduction of
, like the idea of thepossibility, like the, the
queen's gestation period islonger and that's why because I
before you said 12 hours fromthe novelization, I haven't read
that.
I felt that, like, my guess wasabout 12 hours from it.
It was quick.
You know from the first what'shis name I can't remember his
name now, but the first guy whogot face-hugged, and then Kane,

(28:06):
kane, and then he had the aliencome out, you know.
So I liked, I really liked thenew kind of xenomorph.
I wish I'm a little greedy, butI almost wish, I wish that we
had seen like other animals aswell.
You know, I felt obviouslytragically terrible for the
pooch who, uh, who sacrificedfor this, you know, and uh, but

(28:29):
I, I like you, I think, like yousaid earlier, dakota, I really
liked the beginning.
Like I was like oh, oh, oh, allright, you know, and then it
almost feels like all these coolthings are happening and then,
once you figure out that she'sgot that, she's got, you know,
the queen inside of hergestating or whatever, I feel
that's when the movie just kindof like grinds to a halt a

(28:50):
little bit and it almost takestoo long, because once I know
the queen's inside of her, I'mlike, okay, look, she's got to
die right.
I'm like, okay, look, she'sgotta die right, like that's I.
I don't know what happens next,I don't know if she's gonna
come back or anything, but Ifirmly knew that she was going
to die because I had seen, likeI think I guess I had seen an
image somewhere of the littlekind of like alien popping out

(29:12):
of her.
You know, and those aren'treally that scary like if those
aliens try to bite an apple, Ibet you they wouldn't even be
able to bite an apple like they,like the first bite would be
like unsuccessful, you know,like it's not really, I don't
know they would just likestraight up that that, like
other mouth that they have, theywould just like penetrate
through the thing and justobliterate it fair, fair, that
makes sense.
I just, uh, you know those,those that can't like bite

(29:35):
apples, they don't intimidate I,I don't know, I I did, I'm not
gonna lie to you, I think myparents wait, wait, back up,
back up.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Is this, is this a personal attack?
Is this a personal attack?
Has my wife been sayingsomething at work?

Speaker 3 (29:49):
my teeth my teeth.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
My teeth face inward, basically, so I have a hard
time biting an apple.
I basically, when I bite into achunk of apple, it's not a full
chunk, it's two small chunkswhere my teeth are able to like
grasp it.
Okay, I have a weird jaw, Iknow so uh dude I did not dude,

(30:12):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
My heart might pick up, my heart might be giving out
jen gives me this information,he goes is there a way that you
can incorporate it into the show?
I'm like, what if I talk abouthow the little alien mouth can't
bite the apple?
And she's?
And she's like is he gonna pickup on it?
I'm like I'm gonna go realheavy-handed on this and
anthony's probably gonna be likewhat are you all talking about?

(30:33):
I was like, but I'm gonna keepgoing until dac gets, and it was
in just on cue.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I was like, yeah, no, that thing would just
obliterate oh, let's continue souh, my second bite.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
My second bite of the apple is totally fine.
It's just a really unpleasantand difficult first bite.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Okay so all jokes aside, so so what?

Speaker 2 (30:54):
we were saying so.
So what you're saying is thatyou need one of those small.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Yeah, you need a chameleon, perhaps I uh, I won't
lie though that scene I waswaiting for it.
I was dying to see how she wasgonna die and I'm going.
I'm not gonna lie to you thefact that she went like full
golem, uh, also like hey, 90smovies.
Uh, why does everything have togo into like lava, whatever
terminator 2?
But like I I do.

(31:18):
And then when she was fallingin I was like wait, are we
really not gonna get it?
Why does everything have to gointo like lava, whatever
Terminator 2.
?
But like I do.
And then when she was fallingin I was like wait, are we
really not going to get it?
Are we not going to get it?
And then it happened and ascorny as it kind of and cheesy
as it was, I'm not going to lieto you that I love that Like
she's falling.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, as I saw that, I was like oh man, the 90s
cheese.
And then she like hugs onto itas she like falls in.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, let's discuss that a little bit, because it
almost, in a weird twisted way,looked motherly, you know, like
holding the baby down to yourchest.
Obviously, that's the visualthat's being shown or showcased,
but is that what she's tryingto accomplish?
Or she just doesn't want it tojump off of her, or what are we
thinking here?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
oh, I assume she was just trying to make sure it died
with her, but wow, what a twistif she, like, had some sort of.
I mean, in some weird ways,ripley is probably more
connected to the aliens than anyliving thing in existence at
this point, because they blewnewt out of the water, you know
so yeah that, that that'lldefinitely roll into the next

(32:26):
one dun dun dun, I'm not even nospoilers he has no idea.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, I don't trust you guys.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I was gonna.
I'm gonna leave it there.
But there's no faith in you.
But you know at least.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
But it's kind of sad that ripley's dead and we we
kind of lose, like sigourneyweaver, as like the primary
actress in the series you know Idon't believe anything you
people say I will report back tothe I will report back to the
listeners next week, uh but Imean she died, I think.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Hold on wait.
How do you come back from likebeing fully enveloped in lava?

Speaker 1 (33:01):
when, when the terminator went into lava.
That was it.
We never saw.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
We never saw him again yeah, listen, I don't
trust the company.
Paul reiser worked for thecompany.
I don't trust them.
All right, the company can dotons of stuff.
Apparently.
The company rules everything.
It's like just the governmentbasically.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
So you know, it's probably call up lex luther,
lana lang or something andshe'll show up and be a villain,
I bet you it'll actually bereally interesting once we get
to alien earth, because I didwatch the first episode of alien
earth and they do discuss thelike, the geopolitical landscape
of like how companies ruleeverything and it's it's

(33:42):
actually it's going to be reallylike an interesting discussion
after we've seen everything thatthe company has done and you
know all all the machinationsthat occur over the years so
like outer worlds kind of like.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
I don't know if you ever played the outer worlds
games.
Uh, I haven't no okay, it's avery, it's very company.
The company is basically ownedplanets and they're very corrupt
and you have to operate andkind of keep them all faction
happy, essentially.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
I wonder how much of that's based on the Alien
franchise, because I think thisis just a hugely influential
franchise at this point in termsof science fiction.
So I think that concept hasbled into a bunch of stuff post
alien.
No, that makes sense oh, ohyeah.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
No, it's definitely an influence.
Influential series I mean richhad even brought up how there
was a whole scene in space ballsfrom, from aliens.
So I mean it, you, it, you dodefinitely see the influence of
it throughout.
I mean, you also see, there'salso definitely influence from
Predator.

(34:44):
Like I said, they kind of standneck and neck those series.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
So I do have to touch on a couple things you guys
have mentioned, and I think,rich, you mentioned both of the
things I want to touch on, thefirst being the alien itself
coming out of the, out of thedog, the boxer, as sad as that
is the.
There's an assembly cut, likeit's another cut of the film
that released in 2003, that hasalternate scenes and it's kind

(35:14):
of like a special edition.
Um, the director wasn'tinvolved, but it does have
scenes that didn't make it intothe final cut of the theatrical
version.
Instead of a dog in Alien 3 orAlien Cubed, it's a cow, I
promise you, it's a bull, Ithink it's a bull.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Logistically.
What are you talking about?
How is it getting around theprison if it's just a giant ass
cow?
That doesn't make any sense,that's stupid.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
So there's a scene in that cut where ripley's ship or
ripley's pod falls into theonto the beach.
Basically To haul it back ontoland, they have a bunch of
cattle Just drag it onto theprison.
I don't know why they havecattle.
I don't know.
I don't have the answers tothat.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
And it's like how would that have worked when the
outside world was below zero?
Don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Don't know.
Are we really Was this Was thescreenplay for this movie, or
was this just like another moviethat they just put aliens in?
I'm very confused.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
All right, I have an answer, a little bit of an
answer.
Not the answer you're lookingfor exactly, but you mentioned
that it feels like anotherfranchise's movie.
Well, I don't know that it isnecessarily another franchise's
movie.
Well, I don't know that it is,uh, necessarily another
franchise's movie, but it'sdefinitely a corporate movie.
Like it's a fox engineered thismovie to death, basically.

(36:51):
So they they hired a bunch ofdirectors, a whole, like a whole
bunch of them, whole bunch ofwriters, and one by one they
just kept spitting outunfinished scripts.
They kept dropping out asdirectors.
They ended up falling in withthis first-time movie director,
first-time picture director,david Fincher.
They did not give him a fullscript to work with.

(37:14):
So the beginning of the movieis scripted, most of it.
It makes a lot of sense.
The beginning of the movie isfairly scripted, but by the end
of the film you'll notice verylittle makes sense.
It just kind of rushes to theend.
Well, that's because he quit,maybe after the filming happened

(37:34):
, but during the editing, beforethe film was completed in the
editing room, he walked out andhe's never looked back.
They released an Alienquadrilogy box set of the first
four Alien movies, I think, inthe early 2000s, all of the
original directors gavecommentaries, except for David
Fincher.
He wants nothing to do with thefranchise.
Basically, fox burned him outbecause started like

(37:57):
micromanaging everything that hewas doing to the point where
the movie stopped making sense,um, and they just wanted to
churn out another horrorblockbuster.
Basically, um, and that's whyit has that that feel, you know,
like that, like corny, uh, 90scamp horror adventure.
You know, like that, you, youwould, you've probably.
You know like that, like corny,uh, 90s camp horror adventure.
You know, like that, you, youwould, you've, probably.
You know, everyone's seen acouple movies like this at least

(38:20):
, and they're all from the 90s.
And that's why this movie isthe way that it is, because, um,
there was clearly love put intoit, but not enough to keep it
going to fruition.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Basically, and and yeah, it's, it's, it's a weird,
it's a weird movie in thefranchise for that purpose, so
that that does make a little bitmore sense for me, because I
just found it's just felt soyeah, like that's it, it doesn't
flow studios become tooinvolved man like stop

(38:53):
micromanaging people.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Let them do their thing.
Bro, could you imagine, like,like, if they let him do his
thing, it could have been like awhole other?
Like you know, it could havebeen a better movie.
So but that yeah, no see, seethat I didn't know, I didn't
know that he that, that hewalked out and and the the
post-production and it is.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
It is frustrating because it does have the ideas
of a good movie, you know, or atleast a good successor to the
first two movies, because eachmovie has added more lore to
what the aliens are capable of,what they do, what you know this
universe entails right, rightand that, like they can kind of

(39:37):
infect more than just humans,you know they can go to animals
yeah, so that's what this oneprovides.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
So I mean there is, there is a bit that you can take
from this, and while this mightnot be the best alien movie,
it's not the worst movie thatyou'll ever see, though you know
, there is still stuff to toenjoy, like the scene where,
like uh, ripley is like tryingto run up to the warden and he's

(40:04):
like he's like, oh there, youknow, there, there, there's one
here, there's one here, and he'slike man, get her out of here.
And just gets like ripped rightup into the ceiling.
The scene after that had melaughing.
Like the dude there was, like adude that was mopping the blood
up, but like he was like kindof like looking at it.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I'm like dude, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I said I'm not going under that thing.
If there was that dude, therewas a guy that was just there
that just got murdered.
That blood can stay there untilwe kill this thing.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I felt bad for the prisoners because, like, clearly
they had already all repented,they had all kind of made their
peace with their god and their,their, their lot in life.
They'd, all you know, made avow of chastity, um, and
celibacy, and, uh, they were alltrying to be better people.

(40:55):
And then Ripley comes and shelike Ripley's up everything she
Ripley's believes in or not, youknow meets back on the menu
boys, the whole, the wholeshebang, and it really I mean
obviously like these are notgood people, you know, but I

(41:15):
think they've already paid theirprice, so it sucks that they
are sucked back into that lifeof crime and immorality that a
lot of them are.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
I did like Clemens and I did like the guy Dylan.
He had, like you know, there'ssome, were some redeeming
characteristics.
There were a couple times,though, that I remember, when
Ripley is trying to set up aplan and he's like why should we

(41:47):
put our lives on the line foryou?
Literally, I was telling the TVI'm, I'm like, dude, it's,
either she does it by herselfand you know she dies, or you
could just wait out and wait forit to kill you, like I mean,
your life is already on the line.
It doesn't matter if you're you.
It's like you either wait therefor it to kill you or you do

(42:08):
something about it, you know dowe?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
do we think that this alien is as intelligent as the
other aliens that we've seenthat are born from humans?
So this one was born from a dogand or a cow, depending on the
version you watched.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
How would a cow get through those vents, man,
there's no way, I don't got ananswer for you.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
It does exist.
I did watch that scene.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Would the milk be acid, like if it was a cow, like
is if it's a heifer.
It would be juicier.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, like more juice , like just just squeer, you
know so I mean the alien itselflooks the same, regardless of
like, uh, whether it was a dogor a cow.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Basically, I, I think it, just it was it was
quadruped, you know like right,right, right, like all the
xenomorphs look about the same,except I feel like this one
might have been a little bitmore animalistic, because I mean
, I don't know man, it, itseemed faster too it did seem
fast.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Well, I mean it.
It technically would have beenfaster because dogs are faster
than humans.
I think a cow at full speed isfaster than a human.
And this movie you kind of haveto treat one.
You have to either choose oneor the other.
It's not that if you'rewatching the version with the
dog birthing, the alienchestburst or whatever, that

(43:31):
becomes the canon in that sense.
If you watch the version withthe cow, that becomes the canon
in that sense.
If you watch the version withthe cow, that becomes a canon.
But like in the cow version, ifthere was a dog in that
universe that gave birth to it,it would look a little bit
different.
You know what I'm saying.
Like they the the movie,depending on the version you get
, you have to like, kind of likesuspend disbelief.
Okay, in this version, this iswhat the aliens look like.

(43:53):
In this version, this is whatthe aliens look like when
birthed from a cow.
But anyway, what I'm what I'masking is does the human element
make them more intelligent thanthe quadruped element?

Speaker 3 (44:06):
because it was just killing indiscriminately.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Like in in the last movie, the aliens weren't
immediately killing, they werelike bringing them into the lair
and cocooning them for eventual.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
You know like right insemination from the queen,
basically right, like like thereis more of a strategy, you know
, like they, they were trying toessentially like a corral the
people and aliens to likeexactly where they wanted them
to be, kind of right.
But yeah, in this one you'reright, this alien was just

(44:44):
animalistic, yeah, just itkilled, you know.
So I think that, yeah, it doestake on some characteristics
from its host which, I mean, itmakes sense.
You know, a parasite is alwaysgonna take, you know, some sort
of you know something from thehost, right, yeah, I think that

(45:04):
that's what we're seeing hereokay, I like it rich.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
What are your thoughts does?
Does this?
Is this one dumber than thealiens from the past couple past
couple movies?
I don't know, because I don'tknow what its intentions are and
I don't know how that relates.
Is this one dumber than thealiens from the past couple
movies?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
I don't know, because I don't know what its
intentions are and I don't knowhow that relates to Ripley
having the queen inside.
I don't know if the aliens fromAliens second movie just to
clarify, they have the queennearby, right?
We don't know how theycommunicate.

(45:36):
There could be some kind oflike ant, like radio waves that
are transmitted to them from thequeen.
They're there, there's more ofthem, so maybe they have like a
hive mind thinking.
That then makes them smarter.
This alien from this movie mayhave just been out to clear

(45:57):
everyone out indiscriminately sothat the queen is safe.
You know like there's.
The easy answer is yes, thehuman ones are smarter.
The questions I have, because Idon't know the franchise as
well, are are these possiblepathways to the way we
understand the aliencivilization I guess I'll call

(46:21):
it or the their, their bonding,and how that impacts their
intelligence and actions overall?

Speaker 1 (46:28):
yeah.
Do they have a hive mind?
Do they have a collective uhconscious?
Are they the borg?

Speaker 3 (46:35):
yeah, look, you know, you know something like that,
like that's.
That changes to me a lot.
You know, and we do know, thatsome insect species kind of
communicate in that kind of way,you know, with not, I would not
telepathically, obviously right, but they, you know, without,
uh, without any kind of any kindof verbal exchange over

(46:55):
expanses.
So these do seem very bug-like.
So I wouldn't be surprised ifthey have some kind of similar
patterns to the way we wouldhave some insect kind of
civilization developing.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Right, right.
What are your thoughts on thefuturistic, almost
post-apocalyptic Christianitythemes?
We know that this is like a newreligious cult that they've
like created in the middle ofthis planet.
They chose not to leave.
They chose to almost becomemonks, extending their own fate

(47:34):
basically as prisoners.
Personally, I thought this wasa really, really cool idea.
You know like it's notsomething that I don't think.
This is like a weak layer tothis cake.
Basically, I feel like this isa really cool concept in a film
that almost relays that in areally satisfying way.

(47:58):
What are your thoughts, anthony?

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I feel like it really fits in well with the themes of
Aliens, Because I feel likethere's always been some sort of
layer of post-apocalyptic feelto it.
You know, in the first one theygo to some derelict ship, you
know obviously there's some likecatastrophe that happens.

(48:21):
They go back to LV-426, wherethere's a whole colony that was
like wiped out.
So I feel like it fits in wellwith that theme and the planet
that they were on was almostlike post-apocalyptic in a way
that they had to be in thisprison because where are they

(48:43):
gonna go if they leave?
they're gonna freeze, you knowyeah and there's no way off of
the planet other than the supplyship that arrives every six
months.
You know so, the fact that,yeah, that they had kind of like
this polka, this polka, um,this post-apocalyptic cult in in
a prison that seemed like itseemed run down right, like

(49:06):
there was like a you know kindof like a warden, but like it
seemed like it was run by theprisoners anyway, you know, like
so I I think everyone at thatpoint was on kind of like equal
footing, it seems yeah there wasa warden and there was a
company man.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I think they called him like 86 or something, 85
because that was his 85 that washis iq, yeah, which is like so
mean you?
Know, like he's just he's, he'sthere to help them.
Yeah, I, I kind of liked 80, Iliked 85.
Did he survive?
I forget, did he?
Did he make it to the?

Speaker 3 (49:41):
end?
No, I don't believe so I gottare-watch it.
I'm gonna was he the one thatgot gunned down yeah, because I
think he tried to like asserthis authority oh yeah, wait,
wait, wait.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
He randomly his authority.
Oh, yeah, wait wait, wait.
He randomly attacks the guy whowas like bishop's maker or yeah
claimed to be bishop's maker.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Yeah, he just like snaps and like attacks him he
attacks him with like a, like a.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
What did he?
It was an axe, right yeah,because he's just so.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
I I think at that moment, if I recall correctly,
like basically it gets explainedthat you know they were trying
to kind of convince Ripley to goback with the specimen inside
of her and right yeah, he hadbeen defending the company.
I think that was his breakingpoint, and you know that's true.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
For being a moral man .
He immediately met his death,seconds later.
You're right.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Okay, man, I got to rewatch this movie because I
think I did clock out at acertain point where I was just
like man, this is justunraveling.
But did you notice that when heattacked Bishop or the creator
of Bishop, he was bleeding redblood?
It wasn't the milky substance,raider of bishop.
He was bleeding red blood likeit wasn't.

(50:56):
It wasn't the milky substance.
So I'm, I'm, but like he liketook a chunk out of off of like
the back of his head and he wasstill like conscious, you know,
like he wasn't like bleeding outon the floor, like he had like
the the side of his face waslike like like his ear was like
hanging off, like lopsided, likea big chunk of his face had
fallen off, but he was bleedingblood.
So I'm, I'm really curious whatthat was all about, because,

(51:19):
like a normal person wouldn't beable to consciously stand there
and still, you know, try totell, tell ripley to you know,
come back.
You know it was a really, itwas a really weird scene, but I
don't know what to make of it Imean, maybe like they, just like
you know what we need to makethese robots more lifelike.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
What can we do?
Why don't we make the milk redso it looks like blood to me?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
actually it's probably not a bad point.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I'm not, I don't even think it's that much.
I'm not even sure if it's thatmuch more complicated than they
just try to upgrade the sense tobe more human, like.
So they're like, hey, humansdon't even think it's that much,
I'm not even sure if it's thatmuch more complicated than they
just try to upgrade the sense tobe more human, like.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
So they're like hey, humans don't bleed.
It's just like every time I seethat milky substance.
It's just so disturbing, like itjust looks so weird it's just
robot juice, all right, it's nobig deal, it's just you know
yeah, yeah, but it's like Idon't know, it's just like it's
sickening, it's like you know,like I said, if they, if they
had like just like regular, justmotor oil in there, it would

(52:18):
have been like whatever, but forsome reason they like make it I
don't know it's milky, and thenthey give them like innards,
that kind of go with it too.
That like it just looks weird,like it looks worse it's like
chunky innards where.
It's like yeah like small littleballs on it like these people

(52:39):
are getting like obliterated inthis movie.
You just see, you know, bloodand body parts just getting
splattered everywhere, but likethe milky substance just makes
me gag.
You know, I don't know, it'sjust nasty there's.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
There's a couple actors that I was happy to see.
Um, it was really cool seeingcharles dance uh, who's best
known these days for hisportrayal of tywin lannister and
game of thrones, and he wasn'ta villain, even though he's such
, he has such, especially in hisold age, he has such a sinister
face.
I I was uh waiting for him tobe a bad guy like I.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
I was just like, oh this like I and I, I know this
is my, I, oh this and I knowthis is my.
I've talked about it on theshow before.
This is my bias.
If I see an actor in one role,sometimes that they're forever
that guy, so it was.
I didn't trust him for a while.
It took a lot for the characterto earn my trust.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
They also had Anthony you might not know this, this
character from dr who, becausehe was, he was only in one like
official episode.
Um.
The eighth doctor, paul mcgannuh had a significant portion in
the early part of the film upuntil, like, they chained him to
a hospital bed, uh, becausethey thought that he killed a

(53:51):
couple people um oh like, yeah,I remember that guy.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
He's the one that called the xenomorph a dragon.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yes, he called it, so that was he plays the eighth
doctor um in a film, like a tvmovie for doctor who uh in 97 um
and that's his only fullepisode of.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
As the Doctor.
He's like the doctor.
He's like, yeah, the first kindof like modern era doctor
before we get ChristopherEccleston.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yeah, yeah, I know exactly who you're talking about
.
Okay, we also get what's hisname there, the actor.
There's an actor from, uh, thelost world in there also yes,
I'm looking at the cast list now.
Uh, pete postlewaithe yes, yeah, he plays.

(54:48):
Yeah, he's in the lost world.
He plays like one, one of thethe hunters yes, and that's
probably what I recognized himfrom like I feel like he kind of

Speaker 1 (54:57):
disappeared a little bit after the the 90s, but he
does.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I think he was immediately recognized.
Recognizable because, like Idon't know what he's got going
on with his eyebrows, but thosethings are bushy it's a yeah,
it's an incredible.
They're bushy in this movie andthey were bushing in that bushy
, in that movie an incrediblemug.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
But yeah, there's.
There's a lot of, uh, goodtalent in this movie, um, and, I
think, a lot of goodperformances.
I was just kind of sad to seeall of them just gunned down for
the sake of being gunned down.
Um, it's an alien movie.
You're not supposed to survivefor the most part.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
You know, unless the script has the words plot armor
written on the front, then justexpect to be dead.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I mean Ripley does have plot armor right up until
the very end.
We know that she has plot armorjust enough so that she can fix
whatever issues going on onbase and then kill herself.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Man.
I'm just saying because Ireally do like ripley's
character, like I think thatsigourney weaver, like even even
with this movie you know beingthe the movie that it is like I
still like sigourney weaver inthis movie she's still the same
character and it's just a shamethat, like, this is the last

(56:12):
movie that we're gonna see herin in the aliens franchise nice
try, buddy.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
I don't believe it.
I don't believe it.
I don't believe you guys.
I want all of you out there toknow I haven't cheated, I
haven't looked forward, but Idon't believe these two
rapscallions that, that, that Ithink.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I think rich just sold himself out, because no,
you know, like how would youknow anything if you haven't
looked in the future right?

Speaker 1 (56:39):
I I know dakota I'm gonna need you to lock your boy
down I, I do, I do think Ihonestly, I just I just find it
funny that he's like accusing usof all this just because I made
I, I decided to like play withhis feelings a little bit last
week it's over.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
You understand I'm gonna doubt everything you guys
say about the future offranchises I didn't do that to
you.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
That was dakota.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
This is like this I had a friend when I was in high
school.
Okay, gave me to kill amockingbird and he handed it to
me and he said he would justokay.
So he did this for a while.
He would just like give mebooks and then tell me a random
plot point.
Gave me lord of the rings uh,lord of the rings, uh, flies, he
goes, piggy dies, who's Piggy?
I start reading, I'm like, oh,there's a character.
Boom, the guy dies, right.
So he sets me up End of theyear.

(57:21):
Gives me To Kill a Mockingbird.
I start reading it and he goes.
Oh, by the way, boo Radley getsstruck by lightning.
My friends, I read that bookand I intently was like when is
this plot going to?
How is this going to even be athing?
This book does not lend itselfto a lightning death.
And then I finished a book andthere was no lightning death.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
All right, that's awesome.
He said he was playing the longgame.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
He had me on a bunch of books.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
He really did.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
That's a long game.
Well, honestly, is it reallythat long?
Because, knowing Rich, heprobably read those books like
very quickly.
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah, it was probably over the course of a weekend or
two.
So touching on To Kill aMockingbird, I have to say I
don't think I've ever mentionedit on this show.
I think that's my favorite workof fiction ever written.
I think that's truly amasterpiece.
I think that is a flawlessnovel and I will sing its its
praises more, more than the veryend, more than the zon trilogy,

(58:21):
the what trilogy?
the timothy zon, uh oh, thetimothy zon uh, I think, yeah,
like personally, it's fair, it'sa perfect novel, like it's.
It's absolutely like.
I've read it like probably 15times.
It is just a work of it's amaster class.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Guys please make sure you join us on our offshoot
podcast, Project Bookology,where we talk about famous works
of literature.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Dakota would definitely do that.
The literature, dakota woulddefinitely do that, and I feel
like I I feel like you know thatthat might be the podcast that
we could, that you wouldactually be able to pull jen
onto, you know, since you knowshe doesn't want to join the,
the geeks anymore oh man, Igotta pull her onto this.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Uh, this show.
Uh again soon, because likewe're getting accusations here
it was we.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
We've been, we've been demanding it rich.
You work with her all the timeand you're on this podcast all
the time.
I need you to plant those seedsinto her mind to join us again.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I'll do my best.
If I can pull off the applething, I can pull off anything
Alien Resurrection, that wasgood.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Let's get her for Alien Resurrection.
She's not going to do it, butlet's get her.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Alien Earth.
All righty.
So yeah, back on track.
I feel like we're at the point.
I don't know if there'sanything else that you all
wanted to add.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
I kind of feel a xenomorph rumbling in my stomach
.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Last thoughts on Alien 3, alien Cubes Rich.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Anger Disappointment.
Last thoughts on alien.
Alien 3, alien cubes rich angerdisappointment.
Uh, no it, it was a.
It was a.
I had expectations and they itdid fall short of my
expectations, I won't lie.
I I kind of expected it to kindof continue in the aliens 2
vein.
So I was amped up for like, uh,you know, kind of a
predator-esque uh, once againjust kind of shooting and just
tons of aliens and and it kindof slowed down and and went back

(01:00:25):
to its roots a little bit.
Uh, which was a little kind ofjarring in in terms of how they
were portraying ripley.
Uh, you know, they have noweapons, right, like they have
no real weapons in this one.
Like the last one, they haveall this firepower.
So it was an interestingdifferent chapter that gave us
new information about how thealiens propagate their species

(01:00:47):
and all that stuff isinteresting.
But like, if I'm reading themovies, out of the first three,
this is the third I would rateit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I'd rate aliens 2 as my first, aliens 1 as number 2
and this one comes in dead lastyeah, the, the, the first two
movies are great for their ownreasons, you know, and that's
because we had two differentdirectors for them and they're
great for you know what they do.

(01:01:17):
This movie, you know, yeah, Iwould put this movie below those
ones, but I will say, kind oflike what you said, it is good
for at least introducing morelore to the, the alien universe.
We get that the xenomorph thatyou know comes out of an animal,
so it's like that's possiblethat animals can host these.

(01:01:40):
So for that, I do think thatit's pretty good for that.
And, yeah, man, we get a reallygood last hurrah for Ripley.
What about you, dakota?

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
See what you did there, anthony.
I'm not buying it, buddy, I'mnot buying it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Alien 3 is a product of corporate greed.
It's kind of an allegory ofitself, because a lot of the
Alien franchise, weyland-yutanium is the company, the capital c
company, you know.
Like that is like overlookingeverything that's going on and

(01:02:26):
that's basically what happenedhere fox 20, 20, 20th century
fox.
By the way, the, the intro Iwant to mention, like the intro
of the movie, where it's a 20thcentury Fox fanfare and it like
crescendos into like thisinstead of like the, it's just
like and it's it turns intoalmost like dune music and it's
just it's.

(01:02:47):
It gives me chills.
It's a great way to start themovie, um, but anyway, 20th
century Fox, they oversteppedtheir, their bounds with this
one and it's unfortunate becausethere's a lot of good in this.
There's a lot of really, reallygood ideas and I wish there was
not necessarily anotherdirector, because I think that
David Fincher has a very uniquelook to what he's doing.

(01:03:09):
It's a very creative lens,especially when he's looking
through the eyes of the alien,but it's too much.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Too much um micromanaging too much
micromanaging.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, no, I, I agree with that.
So, all things said, thoughit's, you know, out of these
first three films, it stillmakes it into the like, it still
makes it into my top three outof these, out of these three
films, yeah, I'm okay withwhatever's happening so far.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I'm excited to see what's happening.
I would hope that it's in yourtop three.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Of at least the first three, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah, yeah, would you say that Waylon and 21st
Century Fox is interchangeable?
They like, became the companyCentury.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Fox as interchangeable, they became the
company.
I think for the sake of myargument here, I would say yes,
I think 20th Century Fox istechnically Weyland-Yutani.
They've meddled too much in theaffairs of Ellen Ripley and now
they must pay With poor boxoffice performance and poor

(01:04:21):
reception, critically, and we'llsee what happens next time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Yeah, man, and killing off their main
moneymaker.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Next time on Dragon Ball Z.
Join us for episode 134 ofProject Ecology.
Next week we're covering AlienResurrection.
It's the fourth film in the Iguess it's seven films series.
Oh, really quick.
There's actually a little bitof alien news before we close

(01:04:50):
out.
The director for Alien, Romulus, has said Wait, did you say?

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
the next one is called Resurrection.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
No, no, I didn't say that.
Wait, did you say, the next oneis called Resurrection?
No, no, I didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
See, I didn't even know the names of the movies
Resurrection.
Come on, what do you think?
I'm an idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I don't know what the Resurrection here?
Yeah, but the Resurrectionmight be the queen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Paul Reiser's coming back.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
He was a real, you know, game changer.
So they just released news andI feel like it's it's important
to talk about it now that we'rediscussing alien like lore and
stuff and you know the directorsand all that.
Uh, the director for theseventh film in the franchise,
uh, fade alvarez, who directedalien romulus, said that the

(01:05:35):
next film, like a sequel toAlien Romulus, has been written,
but he is not directing it.
So I'm kind of sad about that,because he had an awesome vision
for Romulus, like there's somany incredible scenes in that
one.
But anyway, back to nextepisode 134 of Project Ecology.
We are covering AlienResurrection, which is directed

(01:05:56):
by Joss Whedon.
Many of you know him from theAvengers films, from Buffy, from
Firefly.
He's a not-so-celebrateddirector these days, but he was
a and I don't think he was acelebrated director in those
days either, but in between nowand 97, he was a celebrated

(01:06:17):
director at some point.
But anyway, yeah, joss whedon,poor guy, go, I'm going crazy
here.
Uh, join us next week forepisode 134.
We're excited to discuss thefourth, uh installment in the
alien franchise.
But if you haven't already andyou want to check out some of
our socials, be sure to clickdown in our show notes for more.
And yeah, guys, we shall seeyou soon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Goodbye y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
All right Meets back on the menu.