Alien: Resurrection (1997)

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Start with a confession: we didn’t tell you to sprint toward Alien Resurrection, and after revisiting it, you’ll hear exactly why. We break down the wild swings—Ripley’s controversial cloning, a xenomorph queen that “evolves” into something eerily mammalian, and a human‑xeno hybrid that’s equal parts tragic and nightmare fuel—then tease out the few moments where the film genuinely stuns. Think the lab escape where the xenos outthink their cage, the submerged chase that weaponizes open water, and a practical creature that feels horrifyingly real on screen.

We also track the series’ artificial‑person lineage from Ash to Bishop to Winona Ryder’s Auton, and what shifting the ship’s AI from “Mother” to “Father” hints at about the saga’s recurring themes of parenthood, control, and faith. There’s Firefly energy in the crew dynamics, flashes of Matrix‑style cool in the interfaces and camera moves, and… big question marks in the science that asks you to accept genetic memory on vibes alone. And that ending over Earth? We talk about its jarring tone, why earlier films counted human costs with more care, and how this entry drifts from the grounded corporate menace of Weyland‑Yutani that made Alien feel so brutally plausible.

Detours, of course: Demon Slayer’s packed screenings, cosplay plans, and a spirited AVP sidebar on asymmetric combat done right. If you’re charting the Alien franchise, this conversation gives you a map—what to salvage, what to skip, and why Prometheus was a necessary reset. Hit play, then tell us: defend Resurrection or bury it? If the show made you think, subscribe, share with a fellow sci‑fi fan, and drop a juicy five‑star review to help others find the pod.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_02 (00:00):
Welcome back to Project Geekology.

(00:02):
This is episode 134.
It's a continuation of our AlienMarathon.
And we are a week late.
We took a little bit of timeoff, and for once, it's not my
fault.
And I'm proud about that.
But we'll talk more about thatin a bit.
We're covering the fourth filmin the alien franchise in

(00:23):
release order, not chronologicalorder.
And because if we did cover thischronologically, this would be
the very last of all the thingsthat we cover.
And I don't think this is a goodthing to end our alien
discussion on.
But we'll talk more about thatas we go.
But Alien Resurrection is thetopic of today's podcast.
Yeah, I don't know about youguys, but if you, the listener,

(00:45):
have not seen AlienResurrection, I would not pause
this to go and watch it.
Or at least I wouldn't rush topause it and watch it.
You can watch it after thepodcast.
But it's one of those where likeit's a movie, you know, we're
and we're gonna cover it.
I am one-third of your hosts.
My name is Dakota.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01):
I am joined as always with Anthony, and the
late episode is actually myfault this time.
I was sick last week, and I justwould not have been able to go
over a podcast without soundinglike the Walking Dead.
And joining us as always is No,it's uh Rich.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22):
Sorry, you said Walking Dead and you triggered
me.
I'm very, very excited to beback with you guys, Anthony.
Glad you're back to uhpodcasting health, so we can
talk about the fourth film ofthe series, which is I'm not
sure if you guys mentioned this.
It's subtitled Believe It or NotRipley's Back.
And this continues from our lastepisode, dear listener.

(01:43):
I'm not sure if you remember,where I was convinced by my
fellow podcasters here that, infact, Sigordney Weaver, aka
Ripley, aka as I like to callher Riley, because I can't
remember her name, it does comeback.
And actually, it's calledResurrection, I'm pretty sure

(02:03):
because she's back.
So, Anthony Dakota, answer foryourselves.
I feel like you guys knew youknew this was coming.

SPEAKER_01 (02:11):
They could have resurrected new.

SPEAKER_02 (02:13):
Honestly, it's been a very long time since I've seen
this movie.
And you know, going back to itnow, it's it was for a good
reason that it's been so long.
But yeah, I have absolved myselfof any wrongdoing here.
I don't know about Anthony, butlook, if if it's a if it's a way
to get you to watch these withfresh eyes, with open ears, I'm
willing to lie just a littlebit.

SPEAKER_03 (02:35):
Well, you know, the funny thing is, I'm realizing by
uh the release, I've seen thismovie.
I don't know I don't know why.
And everything started clickingfor me.
I can't remember the character'sname, but the guy with the
dreadlocks, i his actionsequences stuck out in my brain,
and then when Ripley does thebasketball behind Ron Perlman's

(03:00):
head, right?
Unless that is from unlessthat's from something else, then
I have seen that.
Like I I was it everything kindof flooded back into my head,
but I don't know this must havebeen a random one-off.
Like my friends were like, hey,let's go to the movies because
we have nothing to do on aFriday, and we saw whatever was
playing, because there's noother reason why I didn't see

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any other one in the franchise.
Like I just showed up and said,Let's go see four.
Love it.

SPEAKER_01 (03:29):
And and and you ended up like saying the worst
one.
I I mean it's safe to say thatthis is the worst one.

SPEAKER_03 (03:38):
There is some stuff here.
There is some stuff.
I mean, that lab is interesting.
It's like an island of Dr.
Moreau.
Uh, this one seems like it I'msurprised Sigordney Weaver
decided to do this.

SPEAKER_02 (03:53):
Yeah, we'll get to all that.
Yeah, we'll definitely get toour our discussion of alien
resurrection.
We have a lot to say.
I'm sure some of us havepositive things to say.
I'm I'm looking at my co-hosts,hoping for some positivity here
uh in these dark times.
Anthony's giving me the thumbsdown.
We're gonna jump right into youknow everybody's favorite
segments.

(04:13):
What the hell have we been up tothese past couple of weeks?
Uh Anthony, we'll start withyou.

SPEAKER_01 (04:17):
Future Anthony here, and if you would like to skip
the segment of what we have beenup to, head on over to 23
minutes, and that is when themain discussion begins.
See y'all.
I so the week before the theweek that I got sick, I actually
went to go see uh Kometsu noYaiba in theaters.

(04:40):
It was uh really good, man.

SPEAKER_02 (04:42):
You're gonna have to speak a little bit of English
because my uh my ears arebleeding.

SPEAKER_01 (04:47):
The Demon Slayer movie.
No, I know, I know.
Yeah, man.
Yeah, it was good.
It was good.
I I will say that I feel likethey could have benefited from
maybe another season becauseman, they had a lot of backstory
going on, a little bit too muchfor a movie, but it was still
pretty good.
I liked it.

SPEAKER_02 (05:06):
Alright, I have a question.
I know both of you went to gosee this movie, but I know only
one of you actually like watchedit.
Anthony as a Demon Slayer fan,how many seasons are there?
Why did they decide to break upthe finale into movies?

SPEAKER_01 (05:26):
So there's only four actual seasons.
It's a short manga series.
I think there's like 24 volumes.
And so, like, I mean, like in interms of like manga, that's
pretty short, right?
That's a pretty short run.
I'm not entirely sure why theydecided to go the movie route
for the last bit.

(05:47):
I I'm not opposed to it.
If they did one more season,like a 13-episode run that
covered the rest of thesefights, and then maybe the last
bit of it would be a movie wherethey fight the the like last
upper moon and then moves on,then then that would have been
cool.
But like I mean they they reallyhad there was a lot of like

(06:09):
backstory, especially for theupper three, like his past, and
man, that that they literallywent through like his whole
backstory, so that thing waslong, dude.
But other than that, it was apretty good movie.
It it felt like an uncut season.
Like they ran each episode out,and they took the intro and

(06:30):
outro out, and it was just likeone continuous episode, or like
one continuous season with umthe episodes like together.

SPEAKER_02 (06:40):
Well, uh, for whatever reason, they decided to
go this route.
It did pay off because it was amassive, massive success
worldwide.
I think it's up there in the topten highest-grossing films for
the year right now, and that'sincredible for an anime
spin-off.

SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
Absolutely.
I mean, I've gone to the theaterto see anime movies, but I've
never seen it a theater packedout the way that this one was.
Like, I mean, it was packed out,and you you know you can expect
the same for the next twomovies, which I think they
announced that yes, the nextpart's gonna be next year, and

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then I'm I'm assuming thatthey'll cap it off in 2026 or
2027, so and then yeah, that'llbe it.
But yeah, no, it was a reallygood movie.
I mean, those of our listenersthat have seen it, I mean, we
have a lot of listeners thatlisten to that Demon Slayer
episode.

SPEAKER_02 (07:38):
Dude, every day, every day there's downloads.

SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
Yeah, yeah, every day.
So we do have a lot of fans, andtrust me, there will be a second
part to that episode, especiallyto kind of cap off the last
season, which there's not muchto talk about, and then the
movies that follow it.
So I'm really just waiting forthose to finish up, and then
I'll do a part two to that DemonSlayer episode, and hopefully

(08:03):
that one gets an equal amount ofdownloads because it's like our
best episode.

SPEAKER_02 (08:09):
Day in, day out, yeah, for sure.
But yeah, Rich, how how did youlike it?

SPEAKER_03 (08:13):
Guys, I tried.
All right.
I had one of my first trackmeets that morning.
I think I woke up at like 5 30to go.
Then I left the track meet, camehome, unpacked my car, went to
City Field, and uh Oh yeah, wewe I I saw you at City Field
that day.

SPEAKER_02 (08:32):
You showed up, and then you were like, we've got to
leave early because we have amovie to catch.
Turns out the movie was DemonSlayer.

SPEAKER_03 (08:40):
So I get to Demon Slayer at about 8 p.m.
and I the feature I love mostabout this theater is the it's
right about baseball.
Oh, City Fields, Anthony, is theMets stadium.

SPEAKER_02 (08:50):
Yeah.
So he went to a baseball gamebefore going to see this.

SPEAKER_01 (08:52):
So what were you doing over there, Dakota?

SPEAKER_02 (08:54):
I was eating hot dogs.

SPEAKER_03 (08:59):
So I I go to the theater and my my it's it's it's
real local, it's five minutesaway.
I'm very excited.
I mean the Mets have lost, soI'm in a pretty sour mood.
But we get to the theater and Isettle in, and the person in
front of me, they're the onlytwo people in the entire theater

(09:20):
who did not recline theirchairs.
And it happened to be the twopeople that were sitting in
front of me and to my right.
So what this created was a realproblem.
I had to decide because them notbeing reclined blocked the
subtitles, and my son insistedon seeing it in Japanese with
subtitles.

(09:41):
So I was watching the first 15minutes, 20 minutes, and I was a
little mad respect for your son,by the way.

SPEAKER_02 (09:47):
Just just throwing it.
Oh, he always does this.

SPEAKER_03 (09:48):
Yeah, he uh shout out to Charlie.
I mean, he really does keep itreal.
Charlie's a real one.
He wants to be a mangaka andhe's doing the Duolingo and
trying to he wants to he doesn'twant to just write, you know,
create you know, manga in theUnited States.
He wants to be somebody wholearns how to do it in Japan.
So that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (10:07):
Kudos to him.

SPEAKER_03 (10:08):
That's a cool yeah, it's a cool uh but not cool, not
so cool when your father is oldand he can't see the subtitles
if he reclines in his chair.
Because after 20 minutes, I wasa little overwhelmed.
I didn't know really what wasgoing on.
I've not seen one thing aboutDemon Slayer.
This was all for him.
And once I reclined, all I heardwas Japanese guys, and I'm
sorry.

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I think I dealt with eightminutes.
Apparently, I snored so loudlythat my wife had to wake me up
because I startled two teenageboys that were sitting to the
left of me.
I remember waking up thinkingthat they were rude because they
were talking and looking at me,but now I pieced everything
together, and it was that I wasan old man snoring in the middle

(10:49):
of the theater.

SPEAKER_02 (10:50):
So that is that is a fantastic show.

SPEAKER_03 (10:53):
I have I have no review of the movie.
I'm gonna have to go back andwatch it.
I'm gonna watch it.
Yeah, eventually.

SPEAKER_02 (11:00):
You gotta watch a couple seasons of that show
first.

SPEAKER_03 (11:02):
It would probably make more sense, but uh I I
guess tangentially related tothat, I will mention that the
family has solidified theircostumes for Comic-Con this
year.
I am going as Vegeta.
My son is going as help me out,Dakota.
Trunks.
Trunks.
Chunks.
And trunks, yeah.

(11:22):
Trunks, and my wife is going asBoma.
Is that correct?

SPEAKER_02 (11:26):
Yeah, so uh listeners, in the past couple
weeks we we uh tricked Rich intobelieving that he was gonna be
Boma.
I'm very confused.
Uh yeah, we were just like, oh,so that that naturally means
you're gonna be Boma, right?
And that I brought that back upto you in at City Fields, and
your your son left.

SPEAKER_03 (11:45):
They kept trying to it was fun.
They kept doing no jokes on me.
They were like, oh, you're gonnabe Reiki.
And I'm like, who's I'm like,okay, I'll be whatever.
You know, like I'm not I'm nottrying to be a problem here.
I I don't know Well who are yougonna be?
So I'm gonna be Vegeta.

SPEAKER_01 (11:59):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (11:59):
Although I have no I'm very upset.

SPEAKER_01 (12:01):
I thought you were saying you're gonna be Roshi.

SPEAKER_03 (12:04):
No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 (12:05):
Oh, they thought about it, apparently.
Yeah, that was one of theoptions.

SPEAKER_01 (12:10):
Not Master Roshi.

SPEAKER_02 (12:11):
Anthony, um sorry, we cut you off.
Is that all you've been up tothe past couple weeks?

SPEAKER_01 (12:16):
Yeah, man.
Because last week I I wasrecovering from sickness, so no
gym, just straight resting.

SPEAKER_02 (12:25):
So you gotta rest occasionally.

SPEAKER_01 (12:28):
And then, you know, Rich has been prepping for his
uh, you know, Boma cosplay.

SPEAKER_02 (12:35):
Uh Rich, what what have you been up to other than
that?

SPEAKER_03 (12:38):
Uh just uh I mean work's picking up a lot.
I'm uh coaching, so that's justtaking up a lot of my time.
I'm uh ordering weird patches tomake my own merch because I'm
too cheap to buy the school'smerch.
So I just actually got a verysweet Dia de los Muertos
Calavera, but it's Rams themedwith Ram logos in its eyes and

(13:02):
blue and gold accents all over.
I've already affixed it to oneof my low-cost Amazon sleeveless
hoodies that I wear forcoaching, so I have a very
uniquely themed HispanicHeritage Month Rams coach gear
that I'm very excited to unveilthis Saturday.

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I'm also excited because Iordered Mario Odyssey after
weeks and weeks of back andforth and debate with my son and
myself, even though Mario Wonderis newer.
I think my favorite Mario,despite playing all of them,
like you know, in six whatever,like as they came out, my
favorite Mario Brothers game hadto be Mario 64.

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It just changed the game.

SPEAKER_02 (13:47):
Really quick, I'm gonna throw it over to Anthony,
because how would you pronouncethat game franchise?

SPEAKER_03 (13:53):
Oh boy.

SPEAKER_02 (13:54):
No, I'm just I'm just curious, like you know,
it's funny.

SPEAKER_01 (13:58):
It's funny that you said that because literally I
was thinking in my mind, like,oh, that's an interesting way of
uh pronouncing Mario.

SPEAKER_02 (14:08):
Everybody in New York does this, everybody says
Mario in New York Blue.

SPEAKER_03 (14:12):
They say Mario.
Did you see did you see theSuper Mario Brothers movie?
Did you hear John Liguzamo?

SPEAKER_01 (14:20):
Um I saw the Super Mario Brothers movie.
Really?

SPEAKER_03 (14:24):
Go listen to Dennis Haskins and listen to John
Liguzamo.
And I'm fairly considered.

SPEAKER_01 (14:33):
Listen, I don't trust I don't trust movies.
Ever since the last airbendercame out and they called him
Ung.
Yeah.
No, I don't trust thepronunciations of any movie.

SPEAKER_02 (14:44):
Oh, snap.
Alright, I'm starting some beefbetween Miami and New York right
now.
Uh listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 (14:51):
Hey, am I wrong, Dakota?
Like when as soon as I heard thewords Ung uttered, I was just
like Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (14:56):
I mean, it's it they they messed it up.
Yeah.
I too have always said Mario.
I had never actually met a Mariountil I moved to New York.
Uh like I actually met like alike people named Mario, but
like in Florida, everyone wouldcall them Mario.
It's really it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, like we like we have a restaurant down
here, it's Mario's.
But like See, like uh that'swhat we said.

SPEAKER_03 (15:21):
My wife is married.
Let's wheel it back in.
Like his my son's godfather isMario.

SPEAKER_02 (15:28):
Okay.
Yeah, so it's just it's just acultural difference, really.
Like it's it's literally.

SPEAKER_03 (15:35):
So I'm pretty sure that's like the official
pronunciation.
Isn't that just South New York?

SPEAKER_02 (15:41):
I will say, here's the thing.
There's a lot ofItalian-American pronunciations
that are just blatantly wrong,like Muzzarel and Proschute, and
all of those, like all of thosepronunciation are wrong.
Like you go to Italy or you youspeak Italian, that's not
actually how you would pronouncethose things.

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So I do think that American likeItalian-American accents change
the way that certain things arepronounced.
Are you saying that you don'tlike gabagul?
I love gabagul.
I love the taste of it, I lovethe idea of it, I love the meme
of it, but um I don't think thatthat is the correct
pronunciation of Capacola.

SPEAKER_01 (16:21):
Rich, who is uh Ezio's uncle in uh Assassin's
Creed?

SPEAKER_03 (16:26):
Oh, oh god.

SPEAKER_01 (16:29):
I love and it was a blatant, like, just super super
Mario Brothers ripoff where he'slike, it's a me, Mario.

SPEAKER_02 (16:38):
Don't even recall that.

SPEAKER_03 (16:40):
Yes, that was my favorite one.
That's my favorite Assassin'sCreed game.
It's just fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
Yeah, I don't know, that was solid.
But yeah, Dakota, I don't knowif uh Rich has anything else
left.
But uh we gotta hear whatDakota's up to.
Dakota dropped uh a video, AlienVideo.

SPEAKER_02 (16:57):
Yeah, actually, I was about to forget about that.
Yeah, I totally I I dropped avideo yesterday.
It's hopefully the first in aseries of alien timeline slash
lore breakdown videos.
So far the first one has beendecently well received.
It didn't get a whole bunch ofviews or anything, but I'm
hoping that over time, if Icontinue this project, it'll

(17:18):
become kind of like a timecapsule of what each film
brought to the table, which iskind of it's been inspired, or
that video was inspired by thispodcast, because that's what
we're doing right now, wherewe're kind of going film by film
and reviewing it, but we're notnecessarily talking about the
nitty-gritty of like uh theminutiae of the lore and

(17:38):
everything.
So I I wanted to do something alittle bit extra on my channel.
Near the end of the video, Iactually do give a pretty big
shout out to Project Ecology,and yeah, I'm gonna keep doing
that.
Hopefully, it brings a couplemore people to the pub.

SPEAKER_01 (17:53):
Sweet.

SPEAKER_02 (17:54):
Yeah, I mean, we've we've been Oh, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
I would say our our our daily our our daily uptick
has been pretty decent.
We're like on track to have overto like our monthly downloads
have been like steadily goingup, so thank you all.

SPEAKER_02 (18:11):
Yeah, thank you.
And you know, while we'retalking about like the meta
aspect of our podcast, I thinkit's a good time to ask for a
review if you haven't alreadyreviewed this podcast and you
enjoy the content that weproduce.
Please be sure to give it a whatdo you call it?
Five star, but like there's aword that we use well, Anthony,

(18:32):
do you remember?

SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
Yeah, you know, and I'm always reminded of the word
when I watch aliens.
You know, like whenever I see axenomorph, I'm like, man, that
is the kind of juicy review thatI want on this podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (18:47):
There are literal aliens swimming around in water,
but they're somehow even morewet when they're out of water.
They are juiced up, oozed up,and yeah, that's how we need
your review to land on whateverpodcast application you're
listening to this to, uh,because that helps bring more
viewers to whatever it is we'rebabbling about.
Before we jump into AlienResurrection, I did start

(19:10):
replaying Kingdom Hearts 2.
So, Kingdom Hearts has alwaysbeen my favorite game.
Pretty much ever since I was akid.
It has just been like the bee'sknees for me.
It blew me away as a kid.
And when I think of nostalgia,that is the thing that because
it's a game built on nostalgia,you know, like it's a game built

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into worlds that have existedwithin the Disney canon for 50
plus years, some of them, at thetime of those games coming out.
So going back to those, it'slike I'm nostalgic for the
nostalgia, and it's it's abizarre cyclical thing, but it's
it's something that's spoken tome and plenty of other
millennials throughout theyears.

(19:53):
And yeah, so I'm but what Ialways end up doing is
restarting Kingdom Hearts 1.
So I've played Kingdom Hearts 1probably about a hundred times.
Not through completely, but I'veat least started it a hundred
times.
I'm positive I've hit that mark.
But I never really get toKingdom Hearts 2.
So that's the game that I'veplayed much less, and I probably

(20:14):
haven't played it in over 15years.
So I'm really excited to just,you know, I just skipped Kingdom
Hearts 1 because I know it sowell, and I just went straight
into Kingdom Hearts 2.
And I started this because uhKingdom Hearts 1 hit an
anniversary recently, I think itwas last week.
It was it hit 23 years sinceit's been released, so I
decided, why not?

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You know, and it's it's kind oflike all over my social media
right now, so I'm just I'mdiving back in.
So I'm excited about it.
I literally just started today,so I'm still in Twilight Town.

SPEAKER_01 (20:46):
Yeah, so Actually, that's crazy because I started
playing Birth by Sleep.

SPEAKER_02 (20:51):
Again?
Or just for the first time?

SPEAKER_01 (20:53):
No, no, no, no.
Like I I've played Birth bySleep before too, but it's been
a very, very long time.

SPEAKER_02 (21:00):
How are you playing it?
Do you have the physical copy ofthe game or do you have like the
1.5, 2.5 collection?

SPEAKER_01 (21:07):
So I actually have both.
But I'm playing it on PSP.
Old school.
Old school, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (21:14):
I like it.

unknown (21:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (21:16):
Retro gaming.

SPEAKER_03 (21:17):
Is rich is uh Winnie the Pooh, that franchise is
owned by Disney, correct?

SPEAKER_02 (21:24):
Well, I mean it's no, sorry.
Winnie the Pooh is a characterthat's in the public domain, but
that version of the characterthat you see in the movies is
owned by Disney.

SPEAKER_03 (21:34):
So theoretically, when Disney releases the
baseball cards, thecollaboration uh with MLB, where
Disney characters will bewearing MLB uniforms, is it most
probable that the Mets will berepresented by Eeyore because we

(21:55):
are just long-suffering anddepressed fans?

SPEAKER_02 (21:59):
I have no idea.
So, for those of you listeningthat don't know, uh it was just
announced today as I'm recordingthis.
And today is the 24th ofSeptember, uh, Wednesday, that
Disney was teaming up with Toppsand MLB to create a line of
trading cards that are likebaseball inspired, but with

(22:20):
Disney characters in some of thebaseball outfits that MLB
players play with.
So I think we only saw some ofthe normal characters, the
Nikki's, the Minis, the Goofies,in that little teaser that they
relayed.
So I don't know, I don't knowexactly what is the scope of
that.
I don't know if it's gonna belike Lorcana, where they have

(22:40):
like all of the Disney filmsdoing stuff like that.
But I have to believe that thisis inspired by the success of
Lorcana.
Like that that game blew up.

SPEAKER_03 (22:50):
I would if I were you, I would I would I would put
aside all the money you canright now, Dakota, and save up
to buy all of this stuff.
I think this should be your nextendeavor, really.
Like Lorcana.

SPEAKER_02 (23:02):
You should just pull out all of your money and
savings and credit and crypto,whatever you got, pull out all
your stocks, put it into MLBtrading cards that are paired up
with Disney.
Guys, let's jump into AlienResurrection.
I have a couple things to saystarting this episode off.

SPEAKER_03 (23:20):
Is it an apology?
Because I mentioned Is it anapology?

SPEAKER_02 (23:23):
It is an apology.
Yeah, actually, no, I doactually have to apologize.
Because last week I said thatthis film was directed by who
did I say it was directed by?
I can't remember.
I don't I always forget thisguy's name.
Joss Whedon.

SPEAKER_01 (23:37):
Very oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 (23:39):
So I claim that this movie last week was directed by
Joss Whedon.
That's wrong.
He is attached to this movie,but he is not the director, and
that's a mistake that I'vesomehow lived with in my mind
for a very long time.
So the actual director isJean-Pierre Genet.
And the connection with JossWhedon is that he wrote it.

(24:05):
And I do think that hisfilmmaking style and writing
style, even though this isn't agood movie, does feel very Joss
Whedon at times.
And if anyone has watchedFirefly, you will definitely
feel strong Firefly vibes bysome of the characters in this

(24:30):
particular movie.
He even writes Ripley kind oflike he writes the character of
River in Firefly.
You know, early, early Ripley inthis movie where she is almost
like non-verbal and kind of justlike really weird.

SPEAKER_00 (24:44):
Yeah, he's very strong.
You don't even think about that,dude, now that you point it out,
like I see it.
That's wild.

SPEAKER_02 (24:51):
So I apologize for leading anyone on last episode.
It's not a John Sweden film.
It's a Junet film.
So yeah, I don't know if that'sthe apology you were looking
for, Rich, but I sorry.

SPEAKER_03 (25:04):
I think the apology would probably be that both of
you made me think that Riley wasgone.
Uh Ripley, Ripley, why can't Iget that?
Ripley was gone forever.
I was so and I'm not gonna lie,I did not cheat.
I legitimately thought, I waslike, this can't be it, right?

(25:24):
And the minute the podcast ends,like I this is just some behind
the scenes for you listeners.
The podcast ends, and often ifmy wife is busy doing something,
I will almost immediately startwatching the next assignment.
Even if it's just to get a tasteof it, right?
So I go to my Hulu, and ofcourse the next movie is

(25:45):
recommended on the banner, and Isee Sigordney Weaver's face, and
I'm like, these liars! So uhyeah, and and then you know, I
as as I mentioned earlier, itjust was weird when I started to
realize that I I had seen itbefore, and it it was kind of a

(26:07):
weird experience because I hadno recollection of seeing them
of seeing this movie, and Idon't know why I would have seen
the fourth in the series, but itit was a movie, it had um a
plot, i you know.

SPEAKER_02 (26:23):
There were some scenes in it.

SPEAKER_03 (26:24):
Yeah, there were some cool scenes, there was a
lot of juice from the aliens.
I I will admit that.
The Island of Dr.
Moreau lab scenes was memorable,I suppose.
The you guys don't have thebackground of Ripley's baby
alien being sucked outside intospace, which was a fairly

(26:48):
haunting image.
Uh I don't know what happenedhere.
They took a turn, and it is nota surprise that there's a bit of
a a break after this movie.

SPEAKER_02 (26:56):
Yeah.
There there is definitely abreak after this movie.
The next one doesn't come outuntil 2012, but at least
Ripley's back.
You know, like she's back in thefranchise, so going forward you
have a little bit more Ripley tolook forward to.
I I think that's a lie.

SPEAKER_03 (27:13):
I'm I don't think that I don't think that's I
think Sigurdney Weaver is alldoing Freaky Friday, and I don't
think we're gonna see her againin the franchise, but it's I
don't think that's that'sdefinitely not Sigourney Weaver.

SPEAKER_02 (27:26):
Um I think I think you're confusing actresses here
now.
Oh, it's Jimmy Lee Curtis.

SPEAKER_01 (27:33):
Whatever, whatever, whatever.
Yeah, man.
This is one of those movies thatit's very easy to check out of.

SPEAKER_02 (27:39):
Yeah, it's easy to start like scrolling on your
phone and like what else isthere to do.

SPEAKER_01 (27:43):
And then I'm like, oh wait, I'm watching this for a
podcast.

SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:48):
And then your mind starts to wonder, like, you
know, hey, did I did I do thatone thing that I was supposed to
do?
Oh crap, wait, I'm watching amovie.

SPEAKER_02 (27:56):
There there's some I think there are some interesting
concepts in this movie.
And I don't want to like writeit off entirely.
But there's a lot that I don'tlike.
First and foremost, I don't likethat they've kind of like
written off Wayland Utani aslike the big bad threat in the

(28:16):
galaxy.
Even though it's never reallybeen the big bad threat, I do
think Wayland Utani is thesource of all of Ripley's
trauma.
You know, like they were theones who pulled her out of
hypersleep to go check on thatderelict alien spacecraft in the
first movie.
They were the ones who sent herback to that planet in aliens,

(28:36):
they were the ones who, youknow, tried to get the the
anyway, i Whaley Newtani's beenlike this threat in the
background for such a long time.
And now they have basically gonedefunct in the past 200 plus
years that Ripley has been dead.
We don't know anything about it.

(28:57):
I don't think there's much interms of you know, tie-in comics
or novelizations or novelsrather, that you know, expand on
like what happened topotentially the the m biggest
corporation it that's ever been,but uh apparently it no longer
exists 200 years after Alien 3.

(29:17):
Or Alien Cubed, as Anthony isabout to tell me.
So that that's like for me Iknow there's much worse things,
you know, like creatively thathappens in this movie, but that
that kind of bothers me a littlebit.
But I don't hate the idea ofthem trying to resurrect Ripley

(29:39):
through, you know, just tryingto find DNA fragments uh hidden
in like the molten ore uh fromthat planet.

SPEAKER_03 (29:49):
I don't I strongly disagree.
Look, I've watched JurassicPark, I've watched a lot of
movies where things arerecognized.
Created from DNA.
How do you recreate Riley andthe xenomorph as two separate
but the same like you can't ifyou cloned a woman who was

(30:13):
pregnant, you wouldn't get awoman who was pregnant, you
would get that woman, right?
You wouldn't get the small childinside gestating.

SPEAKER_02 (30:22):
Unless they also have DNA of the baby mixed in
with the molten lava, which theytechnically do.
So like you're saying that theycloned them separately and then
implanted the alien.
I think they cloned themtogether, which is why there
were so many failed attemptsprior to it.
That's how I understood the likethe genetic tampering that led

(30:45):
to the first seven mishaps.

SPEAKER_03 (30:46):
Um I don't even know how it's possible that you could
uh it could be successful.
It doesn't even make like ifit's not separate, I'm sorry, I
don't know why Margaret andScience of such a honestly just
mess of a movie.
But I don't know why this pointbothered me so much, but it's
the one thing that I was like, Idon't and then like the DNA's
not separate, like now it's inRiley's human half as well, like

(31:12):
that uh right because then laterRiley consents Anthony.
Am I off base here?
Like what what is what are youwhat are your thoughts, man?

SPEAKER_02 (31:22):
Yeah, what do what are your thoughts on the the
resurrection and like all of thegenetic uh the only thing that
you're off base is with thename.
Did I say Riley again?
Oh you keep saying you keepsaying Riley's believe it or
not.

SPEAKER_01 (31:34):
Riley Riley honestly, like for me, I didn't
even really like question thescience because like my mind was
like not a hundred percent inthis movie.
Like I just like I there wassome like good action scenes,
but like largely story-wise, itjust was not a good movie.
So it's hard to like find asolid foundation on something

(31:57):
when there's really no solidfoundation to to really like set
it on, you know?
So I guess like for me, I just Ilet it just be.
I let it be what it's trywhatever it was trying to be,
because like I mean, there'sjust that alien baby was just

(32:18):
like I don't know what was goingon, but I was disturbed.
Dakota has a an image of um Iguess Ripley's baby?
Like, I mean like dude, whatwhat is that?

SPEAKER_02 (32:33):
Tech so technically Ripley's baby is the xenomorph
queen.
That's the queen xenomorph thatyou know is the one populating
this space station little facehugger eggs.
But they they they skirt arounda lot in this movie, first and
foremost.

SPEAKER_01 (32:52):
So so they're like her grandchildren.

SPEAKER_02 (32:55):
Yes.
So the big ugly monster thing atthe end, which is a human
xenomorph hybrid, but more humanthan xenomorph, is technically
her grandkid, I guess.
And it's terrifying, but it'scool looking, you know, like it
is like a grotesque abominationthat they brought to life, and

(33:16):
it looks realistic.
It's a very, very terrifyingpuppet costume, I don't know
what you want to call it.
Muppet.
It's a very terrifying Muppet.
And yeah, so what I don'tunderstand, and that that what
I'm what I was trying to get atearlier, is they they make a lot
of leaps in judgment, andthere's a certain point where

(33:38):
they find the queen and she'shaving a hard time.
We don't really understandwhat's going on, but what's his
name?
Wormtongue uh Wormtongue from Isit Wormtongue or Wormtail?

SPEAKER_03 (33:51):
I was confused with it.
Worm tongue, yeah.
Wormtail is uh Peter Pettigory.

SPEAKER_02 (33:55):
Harry Potter, yes, yes, yes, yes, sorry.
Brad Doriff, who plays Dr.
Jonathan, what's his name?
I can't actually see what hischaracter's name is.

SPEAKER_03 (34:04):
Wormtongue.
Wormtongue.
Dr.
Jonathan Wormtongue.

SPEAKER_02 (34:07):
It's Dr.
Jonathan Wormtongue.

SPEAKER_03 (34:09):
That'd be amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (34:10):
He's basically being cocooned for eventual
implantation of one of the faceauger eggs, and he's, you know,
giving all the exposition, likehe suddenly knows so much about
what is about to happen, youknow, he's basically like She
has too much human DNA or toomuch of your DNA or something.

(34:30):
And that's when she like giveslike act that the queen gives
actual birth to this monstrositythat seemingly loves Ripley.
And it's actually like therethere is a moment in this movie
where you almost feel bad forthis thing, as it's like it's
clearly enamored to be in thepresence of Ripley.

(34:52):
I've you know, there's clearlonging there, and then Ripley
blows it out of a hole in aship.

SPEAKER_01 (34:59):
That was such a weird scene to me, dude.
Like Ripley is just likecaressing the face of this
creature, and I'm like, man,what are we doing?
Like, how did we get here?

SPEAKER_02 (35:11):
I'm just looking at Rich.

SPEAKER_03 (35:12):
He's like he's sitting back on his couch, just
I saw I all I can see in my headis that scene where she just
like dives into all the aliensand is like like she's just like
enveloped by them, you know.
It's just Oh yeah, that wasweird, right?

SPEAKER_01 (35:29):
Like just leave leave me with my weird like when
she fell down that thing.
Yes, like what is she?

SPEAKER_03 (35:35):
And then she's just kind of like laying there.

SPEAKER_01 (35:36):
I'm like, what is happening right now?
Why like why why are we here?

SPEAKER_03 (35:40):
How did how much money did it like?
I need to know how much theGordney Weaver paid because at
some point she had to be like,you guys have to be joking me,
right?
Like you're gonna make me dowhat?
I I just and then like okay, whydoes I'm not gonna call it
Ripley, why does Riley have havehumanity?

(36:04):
Where did Riley learn thishumanity from?
Is it imprinted in the DNA?
Is that why there's any level oflike wanting to help the humans?
I I don't maybe genetic memory.

SPEAKER_02 (36:17):
I don't think they use the term in this, but you
know, it's just a common sci-fitrope.
You have it's been brought up ina bunch of different things.
Recently I watched a Smallvilleepisode where genetic memory is
brought up.

SPEAKER_03 (36:29):
Is it a Smallville episode where perhaps in some
ways I I'm I know what episodeyou're talking about, I'm being
a jerk, but is it an episode ofSmallville where one person
starts acting wildly differentbecause they're either inhabited
by something or impacted bysomething in the environment?

SPEAKER_02 (36:46):
That's most Smallville episodes.

SPEAKER_03 (36:48):
Like, let's be fair.
Um you're not narrowing it downmuch.
Yeah, you're talking about the1950s episode.

SPEAKER_02 (36:55):
Yes, that technically in 1961, according
to one of the fans.
Oh, you're good in thebackground.
You're good.
I'm I have dude, I have mynotes.
Just in case there is ever anoption for me to make a small
villa timeline, I'm writingnotes.
Oh my goodness.
It's a long shot.

SPEAKER_01 (37:11):
Dakota is preparing for the episode that we're doing
after we finish the Alienseries.

SPEAKER_02 (37:15):
Perhaps.
Let's roll it back.
We get a lot of a lot of stuffhappens in this movie.
There's there's alright.
So we have the evolving lineageof Ash from the first movie.
Ash being the robot that WeylonUtani put on board the Nostromo
to basically hijack theiroperation to bring it to the

(37:38):
thing.
Anyway, in the second movie, weare introduced to a future model
of a future Cyberdyne model.
No, hype-hyperdyne, Cyberdyne isTerminator, Hyperdyne model
named Bishop, who also goes intothe third movie a little bit.
Now in this fourth movie, wehave the next maybe not the next

(38:00):
generation, but severalgenerations after that.
Instead of calling them robotsor synthetics, these are autons
who are autonomously built byother synthetic beings.
And Winona Ryder plays an autun.
And there's there's a scenewhere she gets shot, the white

(38:22):
milk that comes out of thestomach or whatever.
She has that.
She is synthetic or an auton asas they they describe it.
What are our thoughts on WinonaRyder's character and the
evolution of this race of being?

SPEAKER_03 (38:37):
I will say.
You quickly glossed over thefact.
I'm not sure, faithfullisteners, if you remember, the
promise that the team wouldstick together after Aliens when
we got to Aliens Cubed.
And these two charlatans werelike, Yeah, it's great that the
team's gonna be together.
And this man just recapped itquickly by saying, and yeah,

(39:00):
Bishop kind of was in the thirdmovie.
Alright?
That's a recall to the time thatthese men convinced me that this
team was sticking together andNewton Bishop were gone within
five minutes.
But uh no, you look I I don't Idon't have anything.
I think Anthony's our milkexpert.
I don't have anything to add tothat.
I think Anthony's our milkexpert.
So I I actually want to hear histhoughts before anything.

(39:24):
Like, what did you think ofWinona Writer's uh milk sitch?

SPEAKER_01 (39:28):
Honestly, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:28):
Out of context.
Out of context, that's such astrange sentence, by the way.
You gotta listen to the wholeshow or you won't get it.
I hope nobody takes this out ofcontext.

SPEAKER_01 (39:39):
Don't randomly scrub to this moment.
I think honestly, like when youget to these movies, it's kind
of fun to figure out which oneis going to be the robot, you
know?
It's like, okay, which one ofthese people are going to be the
robot in this one, you know?
Like, because that that becomeslike a re recurring thing that
like one of them is not a realperson.

SPEAKER_02 (40:00):
I prefer the term artificial person.
Data would be very upset withthat.

SPEAKER_01 (40:04):
I thought it was interesting that like she had
like that whole scene where shehad like jack into the like very
like matrix-y, like where shehad to like jack into the the
computer, even though that waswhat a couple years before the
matrix?
Was it ninety-eight, ninetynine?

SPEAKER_02 (40:19):
Yeah, that was two years before the matrix.

SPEAKER_01 (40:21):
But uh so she has she jacked in and made father do
you know, uh like she startedmessing around with the enemy of
the movie.

SPEAKER_02 (40:31):
Oh so there that is a another interesting thing that
they you know there's there's achange in this one.
You know, there's still thetheme of motherhood that's begun
in the first movie, you know,like on the the onboard ship in
the first movie was mother.
Then, you know, Ripley kind oftakes Newton as her daughter in

(40:53):
the second movie.
In the third movie, there's thescene where like Ripley cradles
the chessburser as she like diesin the lake of fire.
And in this one, she is veryclearly a mother figure to this
abomination.
But you mentioned that theinterface in this one is called
father.

(41:14):
That's kinda interesting.
I haven't thought about itenough to like really make any
like theme at- again.
This movie is really hard to payattention to, so I really have
to I'm gonna eventually getaround to it in my timeline lore
breakdown and like actually makesome sense out of it, hopefully.
But for the time being, I I amcurious about that switch from
mother to father.

(41:35):
And in that same breath, there'ssome very clear religious
symbology, not very like goodreligious symbology, but it's
there, you know.
Like Ripley comments on the factthat Winona Ryder's character,
the Autan, is religious or hasfaith, which is an interesting

(41:55):
concept.
I don't know what they wouldhave faith in or why, but I'm
deeply curious about that.
I think that that's afascinating topic.
Do you think that the father bithas anything to do with that
religious symbology, or is thatjust kind of a play on the
mother in the first movie?

SPEAKER_03 (42:15):
I think it's just a playoff of it, really.
I don't take anything that thismovie does as deeply entran I
okay, obviously this is canonbecause it's part of the
franchise, but I feel like theywere a little loosey-goosey here
and didn't care what they weredoing here and what that might
mean for the future.

SPEAKER_02 (42:36):
Yeah, it's a weird this is a weird time for
franchise filmmaking where theyclearly wanted to continue the
story.
They clearly did not have theoriginal team to continue
writing those stories.
Each film had a very differentgroup of creators behind it.
And it's not until like the thethe next film in the series

(42:58):
where Ridley Scott actuallycomes back to do something new
with the franchise for the firsttime in who knows how many
years.
But uh, like you said, I don'tknow that there's anything
extremely uh intelligent in thisone.
You know, there's there's a lotof really good ideas in the
first three films.
And I'm sure there's some goodideas in this one too, but

(43:20):
they're just hidden behind somuch.
But Anthony, it was a good thingthat you mentioned Matrix,
because I was getting Matrixvibes with and I almost wonder
if this kind of inspired theMatrix in certain ways, you
know, like there are certaincharacters that feel like they
belong in maybe Matrix 2, youknow?
And some of the action choicesand camera movements that they

(43:45):
played around with definitelyfelt like they belonged in the
Matrix.
So I thought that wasinteresting.

SPEAKER_01 (43:51):
I like I mean I like Yeah, this one was a th this one
was definitely a a tougher movieto get through.
Now I kind of like remember whyI just never care to go back to
it.
When I watched it, I I I reallythere was maybe very little that
I remembered.
Mo it felt like almost like afresh viewing.

(44:13):
It's one of the movies that I'veseen the least.

SPEAKER_02 (44:17):
Okay.
Yeah, I've definitely only seenthis once before this time, and
Rich, you said that you saw itin theaters.
So at this is the one that wehave all seen, and it's probably
one of the first films in a longtime that all three of us have
seen at some point.
Congratulations to us and toyou, listeners.
Guys, is there anything elsethat we want to talk about in

(44:38):
this particular movie?

SPEAKER_03 (44:39):
I think the most positive thing was that I got to
watch both Alien vs.
Predator movies, uh, because uhyou guys told me I was allowed
to uh to go off because thesewere not they're not canon.
And you know, they uh I'll saythis to the viewers don't watch
Resurrection.
Go watch the uh Alien vs.
Predator movies.
They're uh they're silly,they're not canon, but uh

(45:01):
they're kind of fun.
And yeah, I think you'll enjoythose.
Uh but this one is just ifyou're going through all of
them, this is the one that youput on when you have to do the
laundry and fold and maybe leavethe room to take the recycling
out and then come back.
Like you you're not i it's okay.
You're not gonna miss a terribleamount.

(45:23):
I don't know what happens.

SPEAKER_02 (45:24):
Oh, there's there's a really sorry, there's I I just
I just remember this and I can'tnot say it because it's
something that I really, really,really deeply wanted to bring up
on this podcast.
They get to Earth.
You know, like this is the firsttime Ripley's been back to Earth
in 250 years, 260 almost.
And yeah, there's a reallybizarre scene where the ship

(45:49):
that they were on crashes intoAfrica and blows up most of the
cont or it doesn't blow up thecontinent, but like there's like
a nuclear bomb-level threat thatexpands and mushrooms out over
southern Africa.
And then Ripley looks at WinonaRyder and goes, You did it, you

(46:10):
saved Earth.
And I'm like, what?
All those people, all thosepeople are dead! That's
millions, maybe billions, Idon't know.

SPEAKER_00 (46:21):
Look, look, they saved Earth from the aliens, but
without without a cost, okay?

SPEAKER_02 (46:29):
There was some mysterious cost, and she was so
happy that it was it was done.
Oh my god, I could not believe Ireplayed that like three times.
I went online to look up likewhat happened.
I downloaded the movie in 4K sothat I could scrub through that
scene.
I was like, what the heck justhappened here?

(46:50):
And I I compared it to maps onthe earth.
This is definitely Africa.
You see Madagascar on the right.
Dude, incredible.
I don't understand the choicesmade in this at all.

SPEAKER_00 (47:02):
It's like you save the world except for Africa.

SPEAKER_02 (47:06):
Except for southern Africa.
Those people are dead.
Meanwhile, meanwhile, andaliens, the second one.
Ripley, you know, she's going onand on like to Burke about like
how many people have died onthis like colony.
And she keeps saying like 157people or something like that.

(47:28):
I think it's 100 151 or 171,whatever.
It's it's like in the 200srange.
There's no way that did not killless than 200 people.
Like that that was a that wasRipley.

SPEAKER_01 (47:41):
No, that that probably killed like 200,000
people, like probably more.

SPEAKER_03 (47:46):
At least that's not Ripley who's making that call.
That's Riley, alright?
That's a different being.

SPEAKER_02 (47:52):
Oh, it's okay.
So the resurrected Ripley isactually.
I see what you're saying.
Okay, this is new.

SPEAKER_03 (47:58):
Yeah, Riley.
Hey, but Riley's like, hey, atleast they did it.
That's the cost of taking careof the aliens.

SPEAKER_01 (48:02):
Look, Dakota.
At least they saved 200 people.

SPEAKER_02 (48:11):
Oh god.
Okay.
I did not get around to watchingAVP.
Uh, I know Rich, you watchedboth AVP and AVP Requiem, and I
think it had to be watched theyou watched both of them?

SPEAKER_01 (48:21):
I watched both.

SPEAKER_03 (48:22):
I think Requiem is the juicy.
There is a scene in Requiemwhere literally, I think it was
shot for us.
It's just the xenomorph standingover somebody, and the juice,
I'm fairly certain, just dripsoff of the xenomorph into the
next victim's mouth.
Like that, like do you do youremember, Anthony?

(48:44):
Like it's over a ledge, and itwas just like there was so much
juice, man.

SPEAKER_01 (48:48):
Yeah, yeah.
No, that no, it was gross.
I I will say that there was a inthe second one, there was a
pretty interesting concept whereit was a xenomorph predator
hybrid.
Like I thought that was actuallya cool idea.

SPEAKER_02 (49:03):
So that's one thing that I do really love about this
series as a whole.
And I even will throw inresurrection in this case.
I like the idea that these arenot stagnant creatures.
You know, like every film hasadded something to their lore
and makeup or biology thatchanges what we know of them.
You know?
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (49:22):
Right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (49:23):
Second one added the hive, the queen.
The third one added the like thedog.

SPEAKER_01 (49:28):
The fact that they can take on characteristics of
their host, like it's different.
Right.
And this one show and in uhresurrection, it showed that
they can take on even more humancharacteristics.

SPEAKER_02 (49:44):
Right.
There could be more geneticmutations that blend them even
closer to humanity.
You know, I mean, I don't knowif you can really call that
humanity or living or anything.
Suck that thing out of anairlock, am I right?
But at least it's possible, andwe know that now.
So that's pretty cool aboutRequiem.
I saw AVP a lot.
I liked that movie a lot when itcame out.

(50:06):
I did not like Requiem, I onlysaw it the one time, but I do
remember liking that they wereable to incorporate, you know,
some of the dreadlocks on axenomorph.
I thought that was a cooldesign.

SPEAKER_01 (50:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I think that that's likebecause like the it's like a
combination of like some liketwo crazy killing machines.
You know, at least in this worldwe have an intact Africa, but we
do have xenomorphs attacking asmall town.
And like essentially like thepredators are kind of like

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anti-heroes, like in thesemovies.
Because they kind of help the umin the first one the the hero
the predator teams up with thegirl on the ends and they fight
the aliens.
Whereas like the the in Requiem,the predator in that one is
essentially like Batman takingout all all the the xenomorphs.

SPEAKER_03 (51:03):
I I couldn't the only problem I had was when he's
teaming up with the femalewarrior, whatever, and then he
takes the acid from thexenomorph's blood and goes and
puts the same kind of marking orscar.
I mean, he literally melts herskin to give her this matching
scar, and she just stands there,you know.

(51:23):
I'm sorry, man.
I don't know.
That that's rough.
I don't I don't know if I can dothat.

SPEAKER_01 (51:28):
It was it it was essentially a brand.
Yeah.
Like a that's a brand, rightthere.

SPEAKER_03 (51:32):
With acid.

SPEAKER_01 (51:33):
Yeah, like yeah, that like like that was an open
wound.

SPEAKER_03 (51:36):
I don't know.
That seems dangerous.
Like I think you need some maxtracen, some hydrogen peroxide,
something.

SPEAKER_01 (51:43):
Yeah, no, no, that was crazy.
But it those movies felt so muchso like a product of their time.
Like if they felt like the early2000s, like the Freddie versus
Jason.
Exactly, though those types ofmovies.

SPEAKER_02 (51:58):
Yeah.
Where it's you can't really takeit seriously with the franchise
as a whole, but in its ownlittle time capsule, it works as
just a fun rom.

SPEAKER_01 (52:11):
Right, right.
I mean, and they do kind of workwell as two sides of the same
coin because they pretty muchcame out around the same time,
you know.
You had Predator that came outin the eighties, and then a lot
of the aliens that came out inthe eighties, very similar like
kind of action movies, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (52:32):
So for what I've gathered, and I guess we can
like kind of like table ourdiscussion of resurrection a
little bit, you know, as wecontinue talking about Alien and
Predator as a you know collectedfranchise.
The first crossover potentialitywith the alien universe came in
one of the Predator movies.
I think it was the second one,where one of the Predator's

(52:54):
trophies was a xenomorph head.
And I think that's where thiswhole thing stemmed from.
Like fans are just like, oh, Iwant to see that, you know.
And I think that's what broughtAlien vs.
Predator together originally.
Now it seems like they areactively trying to do something

(53:16):
similar again with the Predatorand Alien movies.
So I don't know if you've seenthe trailer.

SPEAKER_01 (53:27):
Like, I don't remember if anything's come out
recently, but I remember seeingone back in like 2018.

SPEAKER_02 (53:35):
There was a recent one, I think last year or the
year before was the first one.
Prey Prey.

SPEAKER_01 (53:39):
Prey, yeah, you're right.
That did really well.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (53:42):
Um people it was like a straight to streaming
one, but everyone was blown awayby it.

SPEAKER_01 (53:47):
Yeah.
But anyway, so so yeah, theyboth stay, they've been saying
relevant.
I feel like in the right hands,we could actually get a good
Alien vs.
Predator movie.

SPEAKER_02 (53:57):
Have you seen the trailer for the new Predator
move Predator movie that'scoming out, Badlands?
No.

SPEAKER_01 (54:04):
Oh, wait.
That has somebody like I feellike I I have.

SPEAKER_02 (54:10):
Yes.
So I remember being in thetheater because I didn't even
know this movie existed, and Iwas like, wait, what?
So, like, in the PredatorBadlands trailer, the Predator
is on some world, and it'strying to survive alongside a
basically a synthetic.

(54:32):
And we know that it's connectedto the Alien franchise because
you see the Weyland Utani logoin her eyeball, like before she
like boots up.
So it's like a very clearconnection.
And it's El Fanning playingplaying the the Android in this
one.
It looks really good.
So I'm excited to see what theycook up with that.

SPEAKER_01 (54:52):
Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 (54:53):
So the director the director said there's no
xenomorphs or anything in that,but that crossover potential is
open, which is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 (55:02):
We we're building up to it, man.
They're like, you know, buildingup to their endgame.
Like Rich and I, like, you know,we're saying it was that there
was uh some really good ideas inthose movies in Alien vs.
Predator.
Like they for me, I would saylike largely like they're not
the worst movies that you'reever gonna see.
But I I feel like there is apotential that you could make a

(55:25):
really, really good Alien versusPredator.
I mean, the action was actuallypretty solid in those movies.
I liked seeing predatorsthrowing down on xenomorphs.
I mean, like one side not beingoverpowered, like the aliens
have their tails, their claws,the blood, and then all the
tools and weapons and fightingsense that the predators have,

(55:48):
you know, because they'resentient, they think more like a
human than like a xenomorphwould.
But xenomorphs are not dumb,though.

SPEAKER_02 (55:57):
Which show did you guys like?
Or sorry, which team were youguys rooting for?
Xenomorph or Predator?

SPEAKER_03 (56:04):
Oh.
It's always gonna be predatorfor me.
I just uh I mean I I thinkpartly also because of what
Anthony just said, you know,they're more sentient beings,
you know, they seem more theysee they're more human than the
xenomorphs are, where thexenomorphs are more like you
know, a bug-like menace that youwant to get rid of.
Where the predators are just uhthey're like they hunt for

(56:27):
sport.

SPEAKER_01 (56:27):
Yeah, honestly.
They're just aliens.
Yeah, predators hunt for sport.
They're like craven the hunter.

SPEAKER_03 (56:32):
They're just on rumspring, huh?
You know, like trying to likeprove themselves into their
manhood.
Uh, you know what?
I get it.

SPEAKER_01 (56:38):
They have to like their survival means that they
are like a proven warrior, youknow.
Which is pretty crazy becauseit's like if that's the
threshold for you to become awarrior, then like that goes to
show you like how insane likefacing a xenomorph is, even for
a predator.
I mean, only one like actuallynot even, like, none of them

(57:02):
survived from the first one.

SPEAKER_03 (57:04):
No, that's right.
Yeah, no, they ended up uh thatwhole uh we won't spoil it
completely, but yeah, no, it waspretty crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (57:11):
Were there other movies like Alien vs Predator or
Freddie vs.
Jason in that time period?
I'm trying to remember.
I know we have stuff like youknow, like there's older stuff
like Dracula vs.
Frankenstein and King Kongversus Kraken.

SPEAKER_03 (57:25):
I mean that was uh the Lycanthrobes versus I mean,
what is that the same time thatUnderworld was out, or am I off
base on the Yeah, I thinkUnderworld No, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (57:36):
That was that yes, that's exact yes.

SPEAKER_01 (57:39):
Although I didn't feel like uh Underworld gave off
the same sort of camp that thosetypes of movies came out.

SPEAKER_03 (57:47):
Those are serious, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:49):
That was a period of time where you know, you got
those just kind of odd horrortype movies, like I mean, you
had Jeepers Creepers coming outat that time.
Um, you know, just really weirdmovies that like you know, just
kind of slasher movies thatwould come out at that time.

(58:09):
And yeah, like if you go backand you see those, like they
very much feel they're nottimeless, they feel exactly like
a 2000s movie, just like Alienvs.
Predator.
Like you know that it came outat this time.

SPEAKER_02 (58:23):
So Alien vs.
Predator, it even like Freddievs.
Jason or King Kong vs.
Godzilla, it feels like thatshow Deadliest Warrior.
I don't know if you remember it,where they would pit two
warriors from like differenttime periods and different, you
know, like cultures against eachother, and they would use all of
their strengths and weaknessesagainst each other to pit them

(58:45):
to like the you know, like whatwould actually happen.
And I think that that's thestrength of specifically alien
versus predator, like you guyswere mentioning, they use all of
you know their pros and consagainst each other.
So I thought that was cool.

SPEAKER_01 (59:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Definitely like the xenomorphs,they were using their tails,
their claws, the little, youknow, mini mouth thing that they
had.
The predators were yeah, they'reusing their cloaks, their like
all their weapons, man, like theshoulder cannons that they had.
Yeah, man, it yeah, like I said,I think that there was a lot of

(59:22):
like cool ideas from thosemovies that you know it would be
cool, maybe can be pulled in forthe future, you know?
Like the ideas, not theexecution.
Sure.
Although the execution wasn'tthe worst, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (59:38):
Yes, I think uh the execution of Resurrection was
probably the worst.
No, it definitely was.
Yeah, that that's definitely theworst film in the series.
So, Rich, everything's up fromhere.

SPEAKER_03 (59:48):
Well, I'm glad to hear it.
So, what what is on tap fornext?
I don't even know the name ofthe next movie.

SPEAKER_01 (59:54):
Well, at least Ripley this won't be the worst
movie that Ripley will be in inthe future.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:00):
Riley's believe it or not.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:02):
Yeah, so at least she's back, you know, in the
picture.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:09):
I don't know.
I don't know.
What's the name?
What's the what's the name ofthe next one?
Is it called Alien No Ripley?

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:17):
No, no, no, no.
It's not.
It's it's Alien continuation.
Continuation.
No, it's come on.
Terrible name for a movie.
The next next movie that we'regoing to be covering, guys, is
Prometheus.
It's the only alien film thatdoes not have Alien in the

(01:00:39):
title.
And there's probably a goodreason for that.
But uh we will discuss that nextweek.
And and yeah, uh, last thoughtson Alien Resurrection.
I will send it over to you,Anthony.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:51):
Yeah, this was not the best alien movie.
I mean, there was maybe somecool ideas that were
overshadowed by like a bunch oflike what the heck is going on.
But yeah, no.
Um, you know, like Dakota said,if you listen to this without
watching Resurrection, weactually saved you time.

(01:01:15):
You know, we saved you the time.
Don't you don't have to worryabout watching it unless you're
curious uh of how bad it was.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:22):
Rich, go ahead.
I mean, like I said, put it onwhile you're doing the laundry
or your grading school work, andyour students' work is so
terrible that when you look upat the screen, you go, hey, this
is better than that.
Alright?
That's that's what you can dohere.
Alright.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:40):
I mean, but it's the homework was better than the
movie.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:44):
Yes, exactly.
You know, then you go, okay, youknow what, maybe this kid's work
isn't so bad.
I'll give them an 85.
That that's basically it's yeah,if you haven't gone out of your
way to watch it, don't.
If you're a completionist like Iam, go ahead and do it.
But you don't uh don't rack yourbrain trying to make heads or
tails of too much, just kind ofhave a little bit of fun.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:06):
It's definitely a film that kind of encapsulates
the grunge coming to its peak inthe 90s.
It's very edgy.
There's a lot of characters thatyou're purposely not supposed to
like and who make a lot of, youknow, off-colored comments that
you wouldn't see in movies thesedays.

(01:02:27):
And honestly, there there aresome interesting scenes.
Like, I, you know, thinking backon the movie now, I do like the
scene where they have threexenomorphs in like a prison cell
to be studied, and they kind ofget smart like raptors in
Jurassic Park, and they decide,you know what, you have acid

(01:02:47):
blood.
Why don't we like two of themlike kill the one in the middle
so that the others can escape?
Genius.
That's actually a really cooluse of intellect and showing the
survivability of this species.
You know, they understand thatif we sacrifice one, two more
can live.
But with good scenes like that,you have other scenes, like you

(01:03:07):
know, there's the scene thatWormtongue, the character who
plays Wormtongue in Lord of theRings, decides to make out with
a xenomorph on the other side ofa glass pane, and it's a really
bizarre scene.
I I'm I'm I got a littleconfused.
But anyway, I would say it's inmy top five MCU movies.
I recommend it, but yeah, that'sall I can say.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:27):
Is it above or below Quantum Mania?

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:30):
It's just above Quantumania for me.
That's a yeah, yeah,Quantumania, uh Incredible Hulk,
and maybe like Iron Man 2 are upthere in my top five alongside
Alien Resurrection.
And yeah, that's that's uhthat's a wrap, boys.
We've covered the originalquadrilogy of alien movies, and

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SPEAKER_01 (01:04:14):
Bye y'all.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:15):
I'm still collating.