September 9, 2025 • 56 mins
Grab your pulse rifles and motion trackers – we're dropping into LV-426! In this adrenaline-fueled episode, we dissect James Cameron's action-packed sequel "Aliens" (1986) and discover why it stands as one of the most successful genre shifts in cinema history.
The conversation explores how Cameron transformed Ridley Scott's slow-burning horror masterpiece into an explosive action thriller without sacrificing the dread and tension that made the original so effective. We dive deep into Sigourney Weaver's Ellen Ripley – her 57-year cryosleep, the trauma she carries, and her evolution from reluctant survivor to determined warrior. That power loader showdown with the Queen? Pure cinematic gold that perfectly culminates Ripley's character arc.
We couldn't stop gushing about the practical effects that still hold up brilliantly today – from the hive's unsettling biomechanical design to the imposing Alien Queen puppet operated by multiple performers. The Colonial Marines receive special attention, particularly Bill Paxton's panic-stricken Hudson ("Game over, man!") and Jenette Goldstein's tough-as-nails Vasquez. Paul Reiser's duplicitous Burke also gets his due as the human villain whose corporate greed rivals the xenomorphs in monstrosity.
Our hosts debate which film reigns supreme – the atmospheric horror of "Alien" or the action-packed thrills of "Aliens" – and examine how the sequel expands the xenomorph mythology with the Queen and hive structure. From face-huggers to chest-bursters to acid blood, we analyze why these creatures remain among cinema's most terrifying creations decades later.
Ready to face your fears and join the conversation? Subscribe now, leave a review, and prepare for our next episode when we tackle the divisive third installment in the franchise. Remember – they mostly come at night... mostly.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Stop your grinning and drop your linen.
Welcome back to ProjectGeekology, episode 132.
We're covering aliens Plural,multiple aliens.
I started this with a line fromthe film.
I know it's a little crass, butI felt it was in good fun.
Guys, I'm really excited todive back into the world of
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Alien.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
My name is Dakota and I am joined as always with
Anthony, it's game over, man,it's game over and we are joined
, as always, with Rich.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I am just so excited to talk about a bad guy, Paul
Reiser.
Just shocking, shockinginformation, guys.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It had to happen, had to happen eventually, yeah.
So this is a very differentmovie from the last one.
Last time the three of us weretogether we were discussing the
almost lovecraftian horror, thefear of the unknown, which is
ridley scott's first alien movie.
And this is a very differentmovie by a very different
director, but a director thatkind of gels well within this
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universe that Ridley Scotthelped create.
This one is helmed by JamesCameron.
I'm a big fan of JamesCameron's, this very, very
different director, and you knowhe has his strengths and he has
his weaknesses, and I thinkboth of them are on display in
this movie.
But at the end of the day, Ithink it's safe to say that
James Cameron knows how to showyou a good time, no matter what.
(01:26):
You're going to be incrediblyengrossed in what's happening on
screen.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hey everyone.
This is Future Anthony, and ifyou want to skip the what we've
been up to discussion, head onover to eight minutes and four
seconds, and that is when themain discussion begins, rich
what the heck have you been upto lately?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
well, uh, I would say that last week I kind of uh hit
the ground running because Istarted coaching cross-country
track last week and we startedschool this week, so kind of
been taking up a lot of my time,but of course, uh as as we
spoke about off-air I'm stillcontinuing my pursuit of
finishing smallville as quicklyas possible.
(02:08):
So I'm in season eight.
I will uh just just tell loyallisteners, guys, I still feel
that lana's the villain, so oneday we'll circle back to this,
but lana lang, one day is thevillain of smallville.
But what have, uh, you been upto this week?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'm gonna just, you know, rebuff that just a little
bit, because I think Rich is theonly person in existence who
has this particular outlook onSmallville.
But you know, it's a fresh one.
There's no such thing as badopinions, but there are wrong
ones in my book.
Anyway, anthony, what are youwhat?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
do you think that's the other way around dakota?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
they're definitely bad opinions listen when you,
when you guys get to seasoneight.
All right, come back to me tellme that you don't come back,
she's the look, look.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I was at season eight at one point in my life.
Okay, and season nine andseason 10, all right all right,
all right enough with the thepissing contest anthony, what
have you been up to?
I have been up to.
What have I been up to?
Well, actually, I've kind ofbeen doing some professional
stuff.
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So this week my job is kind ofdoing a test run, of trying to
like prove to our higher upsthat we need to like keep some
of our contractors on like fulltime, because if we don't have
them then the queue will be gone.
So they took five of us out ofthe queue for this week just to
like test that theory and Iwould say so far, like it's kind
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of proven them right that we doneed them.
You know, because if they go,like in january, we'll kind of
get, like you know, swamped,particularly, you know, like on
like earlier in the weeks, likemonday or tuesdays, if we were
off for a holiday.
But but yeah, so I've been kindof taking this opportunity to
kind of work on somecertifications that I've been
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wanting to do.
Right now I'm working on onecalled the AZ-900.
It's just like the Azurefundamentals.
Azure is a cloud system thatbusinesses use for various
different things, for whateverit is that they need, and I know
that my job, the bank, we useAzure for various different
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things profiles and whatnot.
But so I've been trying to kindof like work on getting
certifications, kind of build upmy knowledge base and, you know
, kind of bolster up what I knowand you know I'm getting the
experience.
So now I want to get thecertifications.
I kind of backed that up andyou know you can start to
command a bit more money whenyou start getting that stuff in.
I mean you know you can startto command a bit more money when
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you start getting that stuff in.
I mean you would know, dakota,like you had worked on something
recently, kind of not really ina similar vein, but like you
know, just kind of like tryingto get to the next level and I
know that that that helps outwith pay the journeyman right
yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah.
I was dragging my head likewhat did I do?
Did you ever hear back fromthat you never like told us oh,
I, I passed, I passed, okay,yeah, yeah, I know you said you
felt like you did I passed, yeah, um, and I'm pretty sure I got
the score that I thought I got,which I'm happy about sweet so
yeah, I've been.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm kind of like mapping out what I want to do
and you know I'm working towardsthat and my supervisors they
said that, like you know, likehey, look, if the director kind
of sees that you're working onthese different certifications
and they see that you're tryingto improve yourself, they may
actually offer to pay for you totake these certification tests.
Because, like you know, some ofthese tests I don't know if the
(05:47):
I'm pretty sure the one thatyou took probably cost money,
but some of these certificationsthey cost anywhere from you
know like a hundred dollars toyou know a few or so hundred
dollars, a couple hundreddollars, yeah, certifications
yeah, so it's no joke.
So, yeah, no, I'm, I'm workingon that.
Obviously, before I actuallytake the test I'm gonna do
(06:08):
example tests and whatnot tokind of feel better about taking
the actual test before I spendthe money.
But it'll be cool if I do getkind of backed by my job to
cover, you know, some of thecertifications.
That'd be awesome.
But really that's mostly whatI've been working on, aside from
just watching aliens.
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And you know, just on my onepiece trek I had taken a couple
weeks off of of one piece butI've been hopping back on it
again rich is shaking his head.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
He can't believe anyone would take a break from a
tv show right, yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, that's why youcan't start one piece, otherwise
he, he's, uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, man, I'm sorry I can't hold on to something
like that.
I like to go out my.
I like to save her.
I'm not racing like for whatyou know.
So flash baby, that's my thing,man he's like the flash man.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That's awesome bro, but yeah um, this isn't a bad
thing.
It happens regularly on my job.
But I got laid off so I am afree agent for a little while,
so I have a little time off ofwork.
As an electrician especially aunion electrician this isn't
really a big deal.
Eventually I'll get picked upby another company.
Sometimes it's a longer waitthan other times, but, uh, it's
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a good opportunity for me tocatch up on some of my work
online, which I've kind of puton the back burner a little bit
while I've been at work.
So that's a good thing.
But because I am off, I amdoing an impromptu trip tomorrow
morning to Miami, florida,because my grandmother's in the
hospital.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, I'm sorry to hear thatman.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Thank you.
Yeah, I'm going to be downthere for a couple days.
It's not going to be like a funtrip, it's just going to be
family and stuff.
So, anthony, if I have somefree time I will hit you up, but
if not, please don't feel bad.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
No, no, no, yeah, man .
Well, you know, you know, Iknow how you feel.
Absolutely yeah, man, it isFamily.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It is what it is.
But, guys, I think enough timehas passed and we better get
back, because it'll be dark soonand they mostly come out at
night.
Mostly we need to talk aboutaliens.
I don't know if you guys caughtthat, it's one of my favorite
quotes from Aliens Newt.
Scamander, alien the newtskimander, yep, newt skimander.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
what are our thoughts on aliens, folks, anthony,
let's start with you well, this,this movie, I mean, like you
said, it's a lot different yougo from we went from a horror
movie to an action movie andit's a complete 180.
Yeah, right, right, yeah, it's.
It's completely different.
You go from the, the slow,gradual build-up, to the reveal
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an alien to, you know, spacemarines kind of you know just
shooting a bunch of thesexenomorphs see, and then so this
one, that this is where you getthe name xenomorph yeah, they
actually say they didn't reallyexplain why they called it a
xenomorph.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I'm reading the novelization now so that I can
try to make sense out of howthey came up with the name,
because it's such a strange nameto just start calling this
species that nobody exceptripley, at least in this like
sphere, has seen.
You know like I'm very confusedabout it, so I'm right to see
what's what.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
What well it would make sense down the line when
you actually get to the partwhere you see them.
You know, like in other movieswhere I mean you kind of talked
a little bit about it, where youstart to see different types of
xenomorphs.
So that's where it makes sense,you know, because the xeno kind
of being like alien, and thenthe morph, you know, for obvious
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reasons yeah but yeah, I getwhat you're coming from.
I guess maybe they're saying itbecause of how they, you know,
how they kind of like come fromthe face hugger to impregnate
into a person and I guess theykind of morph into a humanoid
type of creature, unless there'sknowledge that isn't explained
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like meta or outside knowledgethat is not explained in this
movie.
But it's interesting.
When I was watching this movieI was like, yeah, the movie
starship troopers definitely gotinspiration from this movie,
definitely got inspiration fromthis movie.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
The Marines were like the same.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You know I was like OK, like I was like man.
Why does this feel so likefamiliar and like that's what.
That's where I got it?
I was like OK, so they pulled abit from this.
So it was interesting.
Man Ripley is just like she's'sa badass in all these movies.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
In pretty much all respects yeah.
Rich you were going to saysomething about the Xenomorph.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Didn't, ripley.
So I know it was in that dreamand I don't believe this was
revisited.
But when she was in the dreambefore the xenomorph pops out of
her stomach, she's talking tothe paul reiser guy and he says
that well, you've been asleepfor 57 years yeah right, and I
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know that she snapped out of thedream sequence, but I took it
to be that she's been asleep for57 years.
so we do find out that he knowsabout this alien and wanted to
bring it back, essentially forthe company again.
So I think that they would havedeveloped a name for it, like
at least the company has a namefor it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Right, I guess the in-film logic I'm trying to
understand.
By the way, 57 years thing isthe canonical time jump between
film.
Yeah, so it is.
That is to be taken as factual.
They explore that more in thein the novel and I believe that
they explore it more in thespecial edition which adds, like
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I think, 15 to 20 minutes oh uh, footage.
So I'll watch that and get backto you guys when we cover
aliens 3 next.
But the in-film logic behindthe name xenomorph.
She does explain herself acouple times to, or like plenty
of times to that tribunal thatthey have basically
incriminating her for thedestruction of the stroma.
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And they don't believe her.
They don't, but that's thething.
They don't believe her aboutthe alien.
There's no evidence of thisexisting so.
So in the novelization theyclaim that someone tampered with
the files or, like Ripleybelieves someone tampered with
the files because there shouldbe plenty of documentation of
this thing on board, which therewas.
But whatever, they don't reallyshow that in the movie.
(12:38):
Anyhow.
That's why I'm a little bitconfused about why they suddenly
have a name for it, because ifthey didn't believe her, but
then they, I guess they had tohave believed her when they went
back to the planet.
You know, it's just interesting.
Yeah, I want to, I want anexplanation.
I don't currently, I don't know, that's what's eating me away.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Good, I wouldn't.
I guess you know what it is.
I think that I watch so manymovies like this that I will for
some reason explain awaysomething pretty quickly.
I'm like, oh all right, cool,just with these action movies.
Like, if you just give me alittle nugget, I'll kind of like
, because in my head, like paulreiser's character is like part
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of like the you know r and d orwhatever, like he's on a mission
from like that not everybodyknows about, so I could see how
the tribunal would be.
Like we don't know what you'retalking about, but you know he
does.
Like they've been doing secrettesting or something in the span
could be 57 years.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Very much could be.
Yeah, anthony.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Final thoughts on the xenomorph discussion we're
gonna see a lot of them in thismovie.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yes, we will and a giant queen one yeah, we get a
new one, rich.
What are your thoughts on thismovie overall?
I know you talked a little bitabout it before we started the
show, but what are your thoughtsgoing into this movie as
opposed to the last film?
I just think that.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
So ridley scott, did you know?
Spoke about how I admired thecraft, but it wasn't really my
type of movie.
This was my type of movie.
This was definitely.
I'm an 80s action guy.
This followed all the beats ofmy 80s action Like.
One of my favorite parts aboutthis movie is so ridiculous.
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So she becomes like a dockloader right and she starts
working those machines right andI and and when she gets on the
ship and she's like I can helpout, I can do something, and
they're like can you?
And she goes and she startsworking the lift machine right
which they those look like thesecartoons that I used to watch,
these mecha warriors orsomething.
And it was in space and theseguys would like get into these
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suits and like fight in veryexos exosuits or something.
And it was in space and theseguys would like get into these
suits and like fight in veryexos exosuits or something like
that.
It was called gundam.
No, it was an americanizedversion of it on channel 11 when
I was growing up.
I'll have to, I'll have to dig alittle deeper, but I was so
excited when she got into it andI said in my head, if this is
the type of action movie that Ilove.
She's gonna do some bad A stuffWith those robots, that
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mechanism and man.
As it's going along I'm likemaybe it's not going to happen
and then she finally gets to useit.
Oh man, that to me wraps up themovie perfectly.
That's how I feel about it.
I was so happy.
There's stuff that annoy me.
Why is Newt the only human inthe history of interaction with
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these aliens that doesn't getimplanted like just, you know,
yeah, we're just gonna storelater, you know like like I
think she just stayed away fromthem.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
She kind of realized what the people who survived a
quiet place realized shut up, ohno, I mean stay quiet.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I mean when she gets taken by the, oh, like when she
gets taken back to the nest.
Whatever I'm like, come on Ithink it's timing.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You know, like I think she literally just got
placed there and one of thosefacehugger things hadn't been
birthed yet that's, that's myunderstanding.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Okay, accepted, I'm fine with that.
Now I really like this one.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I know we're only two in, but this is my favorite
installment by far okay yeah, no, I think dakota's right, it's
not like hours went by, I thinkthere's like minutes, you know,
so yeah, because it was.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It was something like she had, uh, 19 minutes by the
time that you know she realized.
Oh, I still have time to gograb this girl, you know, yeah,
so it was something like that,yeah yeah, man, this movie
definitely.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
They tried to put some of the creepy vibes in it,
you know, especially when theand you know, obviously in in
true project ecology form.
You know we're gonna bebouncing, bouncing around a lot,
but the part where the alienswere in the roof and the motion
tracker was tracking a bunch ofthem, so that was the moment
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where they were trying to addthat creepy.
They're like, okay, this isalien, we have to have something
creepy in here.
So I think that was like theattempt for it.
And I mean, you know, like itwas crazy.
When he like opens up the panelup on the roof and you just see
all those xenomorphs up there,I'm like, yeah, it's time to go.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
And they're creepy man, they are just inherently.
You know, they're alwayssomehow super juicy, juicy.
Speaking of which I'm gonnapause the podcast.
You, listener, have not ratedour podcast a five-star juicy
review, yet you need to give usa five-star juicy review,
otherwise we're just gonna stoptalking think xenomorph they
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really are always like.
They're always so moist.
What's up with this?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
every surface I was re-watching.
It's funny because sometimesit's like running water dude,
like what is crazy?
Where's it coming from?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
yeah, I was watching alien one today and there's this
scene where she enters theshuttle at the end of the movie
and you know, you know, there'sjust that alien tucked away
napping in a corner and there'sa slow shot of its hands, like
lifting up from the computerterminal, and it's just like
this guy was whoever the actorwas literally dipped his hand in
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Vaseline or something and justlike smeared it everywhere.
It was the craziest amount offluid I've ever seen for a hand.
So anyway, these guys are juicy.
They are the juiciest thingswe've ever encountered.
On Project Ecology.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, but it's not the good kind of juicy though
it's not.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
But it could be if you give us a five-star juicy
review.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yes, give us the non-acidic.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
The non-acidic.
The non-acidic version yeah, soI have yet to properly like,
give my my take on this movie.
I really enjoy it.
This is the one that I think iskind of the quintessential
alien movie in a way, eventhough you need the first movie
to watch this one.
This is the adventure.
This is where the hobbitsfinally go to Mordor, this is
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where it all goes down and it'sa totally different vibe.
But coming at it which is weirdthat I'm saying this because
Aliens was always my favoriteone but I'm going to have to
actually say coming at it, as anadult that has been critiquing
movies for about a decade now, Ihave to edge out for the
original Alien by Rid at it.
As you know, like an adult thathas been critiquing movies for
about a decade now I have to.
I have to edge out for theoriginal alien by really scott I
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.
I do believe this has the moreexciting story, this has the
more engagement.
But pound for pound I'm when Iwatch alien I'm like, oh wow,
that's an incredible shot.
Oh wow, that was such a cooleffect.
Oh wow, how did they do that?
When I'm watching Aliens I'mthinking, all right, let's get
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the job done, let's go to thenext scene, let's go here, let's
go there.
It's a totally different vibeand I feel like, yeah, I do
think Ridley Scott is the bettervisual director and that's
actually kind of why I like thenew film that came out recently,
alien Romulus, is because ithas the adventure aspects of
aliens, but it also has thehorror and the dread that you
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get from Alien 1.
And Fade Alvarez, the directorof that one, did such a
tremendous job in my opinion.
I can't wait till we cover thatone and, yeah, I'll talk about
that more when we get there, butyeah, that's my thoughts that
one and yeah, I'll talk aboutthat more when we get there.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
But yeah, that's my thoughts.
Yeah, I kind of agree with youbecause I feel like alien does
need that creep factor right andyou don't really get that much
in this one, not the way thatyou do in the first one, and a
lot of that has to do with theshots right.
You get the close-ups, theutilization of darkness.
You know there's darkness inthis one, but this one is pretty
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much a pure action movie.
Yes, it is the movie that's abit more fun to watch because
there is a lot going on.
And when you think about theAlien series, I think about this
one and the third one andthere's a couple of shots that
always make me think of theseries.
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And the second one it's ripleyand that exoskeleton yeah I
always think of that.
And then the third one is ridleylooking away with the xenomorph
, like right up on her it's,yeah, there's yeah, yeah, and
we'll talk more about that nextweek, but you know that's what
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I'm saying.
Like you know, when I think ofthe alien series, I think mostly
of aliens and an alien 3because of some of these shots.
But it was nice going back tosee that first one and, from
what it seems, is like the thedirector of romulus wanted the
best of both worlds when it cameto alien and aliens.
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Because you don't want analmost two hour slog fest, you
know you gotta have some sort oflike adrenaline, especially
nowadays, right, and you do haveto.
Even with all the shots andstuff, you do go a very long
time in the first one with like,mostly dialogue.
It's a, it's like dialogue,dialogue, dialogue, yeah yeah,
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yeah, you know, and and you knowso it can be a little bit of a
slog in that first one.
But once that buildup happensand the stuff starts to happen,
that's where the genius reallyhappens in the film.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
And I think Aliens.
The second one I hate thetitling structure of these
movies.
I've always hated them.
I feel like it's hard to just.
You know, it's so easy to justsay Alien or Aliens and
miscommunicate which one you'retalking about.
I'm talking about the sequel,the squeakquel Aliens plural.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Is that a reference to the Chipmunks movies?
Perhaps?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Perhaps Deep cut, deep cut.
It's a movie I've never evenseen before.
I just like the term squeakquel.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Oh, I have, I have, sir.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I bet you have Rich.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
That is going to be the movie we are covering next
week, that would be amazing.
You thought we were coveringAlien 3?
No, it is going to be Alvin andthe Chipmunks, the first movie
no, no the squeakquel, we justjump right in.
So we're just going tocompletely jump over the first
one we're just going to gostraight to the squeakquel.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't need to.
It's not like Aliens where Ineed the first movie to
understand that these talkingchipmunks are going to get into
some trouble or something.
I don't even know what that'sabout, guys.
So what I was saying is Aliens.
The second one it requiressorry, it doesn't require it's
kind of the movie that the restof the series kind of anchors on
.
It helps explain what happensin the first movie and it
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definitely moves the plotforward towards the third and
fourth movies and it definitelymoves the plot forward towards
the third and fourth movies andI think that that is, you know,
a huge role that this movieplays.
It gives us a lot of information, tells us what the xenomorphs
are, tells us how they, theirbreeding cycle works, because in
the first movie we didn't knowthat there was another step
before the eggs.
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You know, we just kind ofassumed that somehow eggs
disappeared.
Or, you know, it was like a,like a mono sex species where,
like it, was neither male norfemale, it just reproduced by
itself.
We didn't know, we didn't haveany answers.
Now we have some answers.
So I do give James Cameron someserious props.
(24:25):
He did expand on the universequite a bit.
We didn't have a name for theplanet that they were on.
Now it's LV-426.
And what else?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Did I miss this?
So we're supposed to believethat the alien they got to LV in
the original got to lv two, two, four two, six yeah they, they
land.
The alien is actually on a ship, not on the planet itself.
Ripley believes that all ofthem are killed and that's what
(25:00):
we see at the end.
She wakes up and they've had acolony there and they haven't
had any prior incidents to likeright after she happens to wake
up is so?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
they don't explain it super well in the film and I
don't think they explain it verywell so far in the book that
I'm reading.
But we do know that there wereother eggs on the alien ship,
the derelict shipped in the.
In the first movie we saw that.
You know, kane only goes up toone of the eggs and that's the
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one that has the facehugger popout and, you know, give him a
kiss.
We don't know that there arethousands.
She claims that there arethousands on this planet in that
derelict ship but we only seemaybe a dozen from the first
movie.
But we know that there areothers because we only saw the
single alien on their ship, thenostromo.
So she's worried that you knowlike these aliens are still out
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there, they need to bomb thehell out of that place.
Whatever they don't believe her.
They've already sent a team ofpeople to explore the planet.
We don't know how close theyare on the planet to the
derelict ship, so it's possiblethey don't ever really encounter
it.
We don't know how the aliensbroke out of that cycle and
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found like fresh meat you know,like meats back on the menu at
this place.
But we don't know how thathappens, anthony I was waiting.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I was waiting for that reference to come up.
It was either gonna be dakotaor rich.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I love it so much how do they even know what a menu?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
is these aliens are well fed.
I'll just put it.
They go to the finest uhrestaurants this side of lv426
that, yeah, that queen is wellfed how did she get that big?
how'd she get that belly?
Don't know?
Oh, it was.
Let's talk about the queen.
We've danced around the topicof the queen a little bit.
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What are crazy concepts?
I love the scene where ripleyhas just saved newt.
She's looking around.
Actually, your background isthat scene where Ripley is in
the midst of all of those eggsand she holds all the firepower
in her hands.
The Queen basically tells allof her grunts to leave because,
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like she doesn't want Ripley todo anything stupid, ripley goes
and could have just made an easyescape.
You know, there was some likemutual appreciation of what her
firepower was capable of.
And then Ripley turns aroundand just like you know what, nah
and just flame blasts.
Everything Starts blowingchunks out of the queen to the
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point where the queen just ripsher own abdomen off and starts
chasing her up the ship.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's crazy, it's wild yeah, this, yeah, this movie is
crazy.
Yeah, that's why I picked.
I picked that, because thatscene it was funny, because,
yeah, like she ripley gave likeessentially like a warning shot,
like you know, look, I havethis.
Like you know, she sprayed theflamethrower like kind of in the
air and the queen kind of yeah,made like that shriek and then
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waved off the other likexenomorph grunts and, yeah, man,
when she she just like turnedaround, torched it, I was like,
yeah, I was thinking the samething.
I was like man, she could haveprobably gotten out of there,
but then again, after she left,you know, the queen would have
just sent them right after her.
So so she was like, yeah, youknow what I'm just going to take
some down with me, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, Rich.
What are your thoughts on theQueen?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
It's just so great because it feels like you know,
this is only my second one, it'sonly you know, I've watched now
twice for the first one andtwice for the second one.
You really get the feeling like, oh, it's over, right, like she
did it day's over, and thenit's like nope, and I just I
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kind of love that feeling,because it was the same when I
was watching the first one.
When she gets into the shuttleand I'm I'm so bad about this, I
really wish I had betterself-control, but I do like to
compulsively like check how muchtime is left in something.
I'm not sure if this is becauseGame of Thrones broke me so
much, where I was like you'rejibbing us of more content, but
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I tend, especially if we'regoing to review something,
sometimes I think I, or if I'mgoing to teach something, I
really want to know how muchtime is left, because I'm trying
to figure out what story beatsthey could possibly do.
Next, right, and, and the firstone, since I didn't know
anything.
Sure, she gets in the shuttleand I'm like tapping the screen.
I'm just like that's weird.
I mean, what exactly is gonna?
Oh, so I was waiting after shegot nude, right, I was like that
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was a little too easy.
I'm like something's gottahappen and I just I was so happy
when I saw the queen and whenshe rips herself off like in
half and runs, it's just insaneand I was creeped out by her,
although I wasn't.
They remind me of like thesecave dwellers in the skyrim
series, these uh chitlin orsomething like kind of these uh
(30:05):
underground scorpions thatattack you and it was kind of
very reminiscent of that.
And man, I've played enoughvideo games.
Like I knew riley was gonnaturn around, you gotta torch the
eggs, like that's.
That's like heroing 101, youknow, if you see a batch of bad
guy eggs, you gotta burn them.
So yeah, it's not exactly theartistic level of the last one,
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but man, it's just a rip-roaringgood time.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I oh, it's a fun movie.
It is.
That is something james cameronis so good at, especially when
it comes to, you know, like assoon as there's something to
protect, oh, he protects it withhis life, you know when paul
riser like ends up locking thedoors as he's running away, oh,
(30:53):
I was like he better get hisjust desserts.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
And then, like he gets cornered, I'm like that's
what you get.
Paul riser, I thought you werea good guy who took care of a
girl with another guy, but no itwas crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
He totally turned against everything that he
promised.
She, in the beginning of themovie, was just like all right,
only if you promise that we'regonna blow these things to hell,
or something along those linesI don't remember the exact
phrase and he's just like youhave my word.
And then, like midway throughthe movie, the uh, bishop, the
synth or the android, he goeswait a minute, but burke told me
(31:27):
to do the exact opposite.
He wants to bring us one of thespecimens home and she just
looks at him like you mfr uhyeah, it, definitely it.
It is a really funny betrayaland it's just corporate greed.
It's just literal corporategreed to to it's like, to its
like late stage capitalism.
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This is what happens.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
And I don't want to pigeonhole actors, but did you
like Anthony?
Have you seen?
I don't know about you, butanything else?
I've seen this actor in PaulReiser.
He's a good guy, right.
So I actually bought into hischarisma and shtick.
I was like he's a good guy.
Am I the only one who didn'tsee this coming?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
let's look up some movies that we might have seen
him in, because and it's- likeit's like you know, here, here
we go again.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You know we got ian home all over again.
Like these people want to bringthis freaking creature back
home, man.
But it's tough because I meanbut.
But like, honestly, aftereverything that they've gone
through you, you know it's likeat that point I'd be like man,
forget this.
I don't give a dang what thecompany says.
Like these things are insane.
(32:37):
Like why would I bring thisback?
You know, but like still no, ohoh, duty is duty, duty is duty.
Honestly, to tell you the truth, bro, I'm the kind of person
that, like if I saw somethingthat was like insanely like,
insanely crazy, that was gonnaget me killed, I don't care if I
get fired, I'm gone, I'm out ofthere.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I'm blowing these things up yeah, yeah, it's
pretty crazy and I think that'sjust a running theme throughout
all of alien it's just like dude, there's gonna be guys who they
want the money.
They for some they need it forthis weapons program man.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I mean, what's that money going to do if you're dead
?
And that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Anthony, you brought something up that I find really
interesting.
Just on a lore and almost likea theological or thematic level,
you called it the company.
Because they call it thecompany.
You know everyone is owned bythis company.
They never say the name aloudin the movie, but we do see that
(33:38):
.
You know it's again so likethey have Weyland-Yutani all
over the first movie and nowthey have Weyland.
They've added a D for somereason in this movie,
Weyland-Yutani's all over thethe background of that movie and
they've got a new logo andeverything and that's the logo.
That is continued throughoutthe rest of the series.
But they don't ever name thecompany wayland yutani out loud
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and it's it's just almost like areverent the company capital c.
You know like they're allbeholden to the company.
You know everything that theydo is for the company or, you
know, against the company andripley's case, um, and another
thing that they still don't dois in the theatrical cut.
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I don't believe they ever callher ellen ripley.
I think she's still ripleythroughout the entire movie,
even the credits.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Actually I looked, I I wanted to pay attention to
that and the credits others havetwo names.
She's still just ripley she'sstill just ripley.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
It's the most bizarre , like it's this one.
I actually don't reallyunderstand, because in the
novelization and the specialedition they do call, call her
Ellen a couple times, but forsome reason they kept that out
of the theatrical cut and maybethat's just an homage to how
she's like, utilized in thefirst movie or you know the role
that she plays, the characterthat she plays.
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Another thing that I didn'teven touch in this movie is that
Ellen Ripley had a daughter onEarth and that was a big plot of
the special edition.
She was really hurt that shemissed out on the entire life of
her daughter because she was incryosleep for Wait, does her
daughter die while she's incryosleep?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Just?
Shortly before she wakes up.
That's really bad luck.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I know it's almost as if it's hitting that way.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Well, maybe because Ripley just sounds cooler.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Ripley does sound.
I mean, yeah, Ripley's reallycool, ripley.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I mean like and that's exactly what she does she
Ripleys them a new one, youknow.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Believe it or not, she Ripleys.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I was waiting.
I was waiting for the nextpause.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Sorry, I was waiting.
I was waiting for the nextpause.
Sorry, oh my gosh.
Sorry, I'm taking all the goodquotes today.
Guys, I'll hold back from nowon.
Yeah, let's talk about theMarines, because there's a lot
of fun that is to be had withthe Marines.
I think the actor who clearlyhad the most fun was Bill Paxton
.
It's game over man.
It's game over this.
(36:07):
It's game over this guy wasthrowing a fit the entire movie
as soon as anything happened forthe next hour and a half, this
guy was sweating bullets,crapping his pants.
He was jumping all over theplace.
He was the most fun person towatch and you hate him because
he's such a loser.
He's all talk, no walk,basically.
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See, I held him up as a.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I was like, if I had signed up to be a Marine, sure
Okay.
And then that happens Uh-uh,uh-uh.
I'm here to fight people, youknow, space cannons, whatever
this was.
I mean, oh, I don't play.
I love the actor.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He's I know I love he's great in weird science.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I love him.
I think he's yeah he brings thelevity to it.
You know, he's like the onlyguy who could have, I'm sorry,
the, not proximity, but the, thetracker, whatever that they had
, the motion detector, you knowI kind of like that he was in
control, like he was in controlof that.
That was his role.
I like, when you kind of needan analog for the audience and a
(37:13):
little bit of safety valve, Iagree, you know, and he's like
the because in the first one Imean, yeah, they, you know,
obviously you have the issuewith mr robot over there
sneaking everything on and he'skind of pulling the strings
behind.
But this is more of obviously atrained military unit.
You know that they signed upfor this.
But I still feel like whenthere's something completely out
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of the ordinary, you know, likeif a cop gets called to an
accident and shows up andthere's a dragon there, like I
don't blame him if he pieces out, and it's like I'm not doing
this, like I signed up to be acop.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I don't deal with dragons, that's fair.
There's a line that I love byNewt where Ripley tries to
comfort her and say it's okay,we have trained Marines now and
she goes that's not going tomake any difference.
And it's true, it doesn't makeany difference.
They were no better off thanthe crew members of the Nostromo
(38:12):
.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I would say that, like you know they weren't, it
didn't make any difference dueto, like, sheer volume, but they
did kill quite a few.
True, they were like I wouldsay that they were trained well.
But, like, how do you train tofight against something you've
never fought before?
You know it's, it's different.
(38:36):
And then you know they kill afew, and then it's like you also
don't win when you kill onebecause, like, if you get
sprayed by their juices, youstart to burn.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
you know it's I think half of all the injuries in
this movie were burns yeah,self-inflicted burns from, you
know like, being too close tothem when you popped one?
Yeah, no, it's.
It's also like we're not reallysure if they kill the aliens
even.
You know, like we assume thatheadshots are headshots and
that's gonna down them, but wedon't actually ever see the
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bodies after the fact.
So it's entirely possible thatthese are just getting back up.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
They're juicy man, like they just turn into juice.
It's like if you shoot awatermelon, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
You know, what they do is that they melt down and
then they become a part of otherxenomorphs and then just make
them juicier.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Is that what happened with the queen?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I just see Anthony excitedly lean into his mic.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yes and I thought the original commander of the unit.
He's just so deliciouslyridiculous and caricature-like.
All right, we're going to moveout.
No wasting time, ladies, I justlove that drill sergeant-y
thing and, uh, I think hissecond in command isn't that
(39:59):
like john connor's dad fromterminator, like they, like they
just had a great cast here.
Second in command yes actuallyyou know.
So I was like whoa guys, Icouldn't.
I couldn't figure out vasquez.
I know she looked she's beenlike a tough chick in another
movie, but I couldn't figure outwhich one.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
But the casting I thought was really good, that
might be terminator as well.
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Wait a minute, vasquez aliens oh, wait a minute
, is she in terminator?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
she might be the mom who gets taken over, like the,
with the, like the trailer parkmom oh my god, don't tell me
hold up, hold up, hold up theworld is incredible wait, I
can't find it, maybe I'm wrong.
Oh no, terminator 2, judgmentday.
Yeah, no, you're dude.
So that's that's the.
(40:46):
That's the great thing about,uh, james cameron.
He's one of of those directorsthat when he finds people he
likes, he's going to bring themon for the next project, and
that's what he did.
He brought the parents of JohnConnor right into Aliens.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
And they play entirely different characters.
Vasquez is so crazy.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Insane.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
She's such a powerhouse for no reason.
She's the juggernaut apowerhouse?
For no reason.
She's the juggernaut.
She's literally like in thefront of the line with a machine
gun, basically, and she'stowing the line.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's crazy I feel like the only thing that was
missing was like her carryingtwo of them, two of the machine
guns, just like mowing them down, like she does at some point.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
She carries the big gun and the uh, the like pulse
rifle yeah, no, she's she hasthe motion tractor in.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Oh yeah, and so it looks like she's you know double
fisting weapons, but like it'scrazy, yeah, dude it really is
like you know when you watchthis movie and it really is a
classic 80s like action movie.
I mean just that over the toplike action.
It fits so well for the timeperiod that it came out in, you
(41:58):
know, and it's just it.
It's a fun watch.
Man like you just see them,just over the top, just you know
.
Just saying all these linesthat you would, you know, you
would never really hear in amovie.
Nowadays, I think the onlything that I think that's a
james cameron thing.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I think those corny lines are staples of james
cameron because even even up tothe avatar, the way of water,
like that's the one thing thatpeople like really had to gripe
about was james cameron stillhas those corny one-liners but
like that's, that's what makemovies movies, man.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
You know, what's funny is that there's a game and
I know it's just a digression,but it kind of like it fits in
with this.
There's a game called helldivers 2 and the characters in
the game they say nothing butcorny.
One liners all the time, likeone of one of the the lines that
they'll say and it always makesme laugh because how corny it
(42:50):
sounds but, like you know, sayyou're shooting down some of
these, like you know aliens orlike you know whatever's robots,
and they'll say like how abouta cup of liberty?
Isn't that a james cameron likeline that you would hear?
Speaker 1 (43:04):
yeah, yeah, yeah, oh man, yeah.
So another j, another JamesCameron thing that I'd be remiss
to leave out is the fact thathe loves putting like military
types in his movies, whether itbe the Abyss, the Terminator
movies, avatar, definitely likefronting the, the workforce of
(43:34):
the rda.
These are company marines paidfor by the company.
So he loves this visual energyof a military workforce and he
uses them very often and I thinkthat's part of what makes his
movies stand out as his movies.
It's just part of his visualstorytelling and I love that I
love 80s action movies.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Sometimes what I love about them is like the little
thing that I told you guysearlier with the exoskeleton,
right, they do tend to havethose moments that do pay off.
There's like a reward for youpaying attention and wanting to
see what's going to happen withthat and they do those little
kind of easter eggs.
I, I just the the one-liners.
I love this.
Just this just was really great.
I like Jim Cameron movies.
(44:12):
I mean Terminator 2 is one ofmy fondest memories as a young
child.
I think was like I rememberbeing amped for when that came
out, like so amped.
And that epic, you know rhythmis even translated to wrestling
where there was a group thatthey used to set up this big
move where they do double diveson the outside and they would
(44:35):
like both like four.
You know two guys are bangingon the ring and they're just
like boom, boom, boom, boom.
There's something timeless, Ithink about those movies with
those one-liners that it'sentertainment, it's fun, it's
not supposed to be completelyreal life and people don't need
to sound like they do in reallife.
It's okay if they say cornystuff.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
That's why david caruso has a career I think a
lot of people have careersbecause well, you could, you
could sum up the 80s with prettymuch the 80s cinema, with
movies like this, like theaction movies and, uh, like john
hughes movies and you know justa couple other things that like
really like kind of age it,this movie.
(45:15):
You know you could tell thatit's an 80s movie just because
of the feel of it, but you know,and, and that's not like you
know a wise crack on it, it'sjust, you know it's a product of
its time and it's still.
It's still like it amazes me,the xenomorphs still look really
good in this movie like youknow, I love the practicality of
(45:38):
it, man, the practical effects.
I understand why people wantmore of it and I understand that
it's tough because it costsmore money.
You know you actually have tohave a physical thing and,
depending on the size of it, thebigger it gets, the more it
costs, right?
So I understand why cgi hastaken over.
(46:02):
But just seeing the giant alienqueen, yeah, and it looked
really cool.
Oh, did you see, like some ofthe scenes and I laughed when I
noticed it?
There was a lot of scenes wherethat airship was coming down.
You could tell that they wererunning away from a screen.
Yeah, you could see that therewas like a screen in the
background and they were runningaway from that screen.
(46:25):
But I just think it's so smartman, they use what they have and
also, I guess you know, becausethey did create like an
explosion like that, but that'slike you know, to keep the
actors safe and whatnot.
You know, you don't want tohave like a explosion with your
actual actors right there.
I just thought it was funnywhen I noticed the screens.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
I didn't notice the screen, to be honest.
I'm going to have to check thatout on rewatch.
But yeah, no, like you said, Ilove the practical effects.
I think a big issue withpractical is that you have to
account for so much error.
You know like there's you'regoing to have strings.
You know, like I saw a couplealiens that were like being held
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up on strings and stuff.
They were like one second shots, if that, you know, it's just
like the strings are there butthey do the best with what they
can in a pre-CGI world.
And one of my favorite shots inall of the Alien movies is when
the alien comes out of thewater behind Newt and it just
(47:26):
looks so sinister, you know, andthe tail comes up first.
But you can tell the tail isbeing pulled up by a string.
You know it's a gorgeous scene,it's a gorgeous shot, but you
could tell, like, put yourthinking cap on for a second.
You can understand how this isbeing done on screen and I think
that is a good thing.
And a bad thing when it comesto practical is that, like it's
(47:49):
harder to hide your mistakes,whereas CGI you can engineer
exactly what you want.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Basically, Right, right, and I think that's the
big draw.
I feel like nowadays, with thetechnology that is available, I
think it would be easy.
We've come a long way,especially with practical
effects.
I do think that we could getaway like it wouldn't look corny
nowadays, like we would make itlook really good and we yeah
(48:18):
yeah, and wires, because thereare instances where wire and
harnesses are used but there's away that they do it to where
it's edited out or they're usingsomething that's green so that
they can just make it disappearin the background or whatever.
But I do believe that practicaleffects.
(48:39):
I think it boils down to not somuch the error but the cost,
maybe back in the day, but it'shard now, like the way that you
know people are professionalsnow mean.
Not that they weren't back then, but you know, it's just we've
gotten better at the craft sinceback in the day.
(48:59):
And when we do see practicaleffects on the screen nowadays,
it usually looks really good.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I don't disagree Really quick.
I was looking up that actressthat played Vasquez.
Her name is Jeananettegoldstein.
She's not latina, oh uh, she'snot.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
She is jewish her man , she, she could have like
fooled, like she had like that,like new york there's one line
where she says a spanish wordand I'm like she said that kind
of weird it was.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
It was vamonos, yeah, but like she said it a little
bit anglicized and it was, itwas a weird moment for me.
I was just like she looks sospanish but she said that weird.
She said vamonos or somethinglike that and yeah, now, now I
understand.
So she, she does have theethnic look to her because her
family is from brazil andmorocco, but but yeah, she's
(49:50):
jewish, she's not latina.
I've been fooled same fool meonce.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Shame on you we'll give it to her with the.
I mean, you said brazil, youknow that's south america, you
know that's that's close yeah, Imean, I know they speak.
You know portuguese down there,but yeah, it's close enough,
guys.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Final thoughts on aliens.
Unless you have something elseyou want to talk about, anthony
yeah, man, this was.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I was excited to come back to this movie because I
remember it being pretty fun andthat's exactly what it is.
I remember it just being crazy,action-packed, like.
I didn't remember every singlescene, but I just remember a lot
of like shooting and explosions.
And that's exactly what it wasa lot of shooting and explosions
and, yeah, no, it was a funtime.
(50:37):
So, yeah, I'm glad that we'redoing this series because it's
giving me a chance to kind of goback and watch some of these
movies that I haven't seen in along time.
Like I said, I've seen two andthree more than I've seen the
first one.
So going back to see the firstone it was, it was definitely a
treat.
But, yeah, it's a fun movie.
(50:58):
If you haven't seen it, go andsee it.
I would.
I would suggest watching thefirst one just so that you have
like the foundation and thencome to this.
But yeah, no, it's, it's fun.
I, I enjoyed it rich throwingit over to you.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
You know I going to say something crazy and maybe
offensive, but I almost thinkthat you could jump into Aliens
without seeing the first one andalmost just kind of ride with
it and be okay.
I think that they give youenough of Ripley saying like hey
, this is a terrible idea.
You know we shouldn't do it andthat's very much a kind of 80s
(51:33):
action movie tropey thing.
You know, even like predator,like yeah, I don't know, it
sounds like a bad idea.
You know, like so many of thesemovies start with like people
going into that that I thinkthat you could be okay.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Obviously you're better served watching the first
one, uh, but I love this onewell, there is definitely be
some holes for you there, likewhy is she being tried?
You go into this movie like whyis she in trouble?
Why was she in crowd sleep for50 years?
Speaker 1 (51:56):
you know what was that?
What happened?
Nightmare that she had, yeah,what is that nightmare that she
has?
Why is she having?
Speaker 2 (52:02):
yeah.
So yeah you, I would say, gowatch this movie.
If you haven't seen the aliensmovies at all, definitely go
watch that first one, because ifyou go into the second one you
might be a little confused youknow why she's so reluctant to.
You know, go to these creatures.
You know like that.
You know like you definitelywant to have that foundation.
You know dakota says that it islike the foundation for the
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entire series.
But this movie is thefoundation or kind of like the
template for the rest yeah yeahno, I really enjoy this movie.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
It's a top five mcu movie for me.
Um, I think I'm gonna side moreon anthony's perspective with
this one in terms of I don'tthink this is one where you can
just listen.
You can pick up and watchwhatever movie you want and you
can.
You'll a little lost and you'llfind your way and I think this
is one of those movies where youwill find your way.
(52:55):
It's not the most mind-bendingmovie you'll ever watch.
You can figure it out.
But you are going to miss outon much of Ripley's arc, which I
think is important, because hercharacter from the start of the
first movie to the end of thismovie is an entirely different
beast, and I am it's.
I think ripley as a characteris just such a fun person to
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follow because she was nevermeant to be an action hero but
action hero was thrust upon herand you know she acquiesced uh,
especially with the exoskeletonscene.
Man like that like you can't saythat that was an action
hero-esque when she threw downon the alien queen with that
(53:39):
thing I thought she was gonnarip it in half for a second.
You know, for the exoskeletonwas super cool, like I don't
know why we don't have those inreal life.
That looked like a functional,like power lifting suit, like am
, I am I wrong, it looked realyeah, yeah, no, it did look real
.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I think that it yeah like.
Why does that not like exist?
Because that definitely wouldhelp with heavy lifting with
different things.
Like you could, and it seemedlike you could.
Um, you know, like you couldmake it.
You don't have to always uselike the big pinchers as like
kind of like the smaller ones.
On the inside it lookspractical.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
It looked practical.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
By the way I looked it up it's, if anybody is
interested, you guys can likesearch up some images.
It's called Exo Squad and thatwas a cartoon show with a line
of toys where basically I mean Ilook the timing of it, I want
to say, is it's got to be rightafter, because it's so similar,
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like these exoskeletons aresuper so wait, when did?
Speaker 1 (54:42):
when did exo squad come out?
Speaker 3 (54:44):
because this came out in 86 all right, so exo squad
comes out in 1993 okay, so thisis totally the like you know
coded into exo squad interestingI don't think I've, maybe I
have.
The toys are particularly ofinterest to anybody interested.
They are just so sweet.
(55:05):
You have a figure that goesinside the suit, obviously, and
then everyone has a differentkind of suit, different color,
different functions, beautiful.
You know great stuff for yourdog to chew up when you shoot on
the floor perfect.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
That's exactly what I need is plastic chunks that I
can cut into my foot when I walkout of the room guys throw some
legos down it'll be cheaper.
I know right, she'll probablychew that too.
Guys, thank you so much forlistening to us here for our
132nd episode.
Next week we got another funshow Alien 3.
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They're finally doing a propertitling structure for this
series Alien 3.
But it's actually stylized it'sAlien to the Third Power.
I don't even know how to typethat, so let's just call it
Alien 3.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
They should have put the 3 where the E is.
Oh, Alien 3N.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah, that would have been really really smart, but
anyway, we're covering Alien 3.
We're going to see what becomesof the remnants of the Sulaco.
We have Ripley, we have Newt,we have Corporal Hicks and who
else?
We got half of Bishop that'swho survived on this week's
(56:23):
Project Ecology, and I'm surethey have a lot of adventures.
All four of them come next week.
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Make it crunchy, make it juicy.
Whatever you got to do, justget it done.
And yeah,
Stop your grinning and drop your linen.
Welcome back to ProjectGeekology, episode 132.
We're covering aliens Plural,multiple aliens.
I started this with a line fromthe film.
I know it's a little crass, butI felt it was in good fun.
Guys, I'm really excited todive back into the world of
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Alien.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
My name is Dakota and I am joined as always with
Anthony, it's game over, man,it's game over and we are joined
, as always, with Rich.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I am just so excited to talk about a bad guy, Paul
Reiser.
Just shocking, shockinginformation, guys.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It had to happen, had to happen eventually, yeah.
So this is a very differentmovie from the last one.
Last time the three of us weretogether we were discussing the
almost lovecraftian horror, thefear of the unknown, which is
ridley scott's first alien movie.
And this is a very differentmovie by a very different
director, but a director thatkind of gels well within this
(01:06):
universe that Ridley Scotthelped create.
This one is helmed by JamesCameron.
I'm a big fan of JamesCameron's, this very, very
different director, and you knowhe has his strengths and he has
his weaknesses, and I thinkboth of them are on display in
this movie.
But at the end of the day, Ithink it's safe to say that
James Cameron knows how to showyou a good time, no matter what.
(01:26):
You're going to be incrediblyengrossed in what's happening on
screen.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Hey everyone.
This is Future Anthony, and ifyou want to skip the what we've
been up to discussion, head onover to eight minutes and four
seconds, and that is when themain discussion begins, rich
what the heck have you been upto lately?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
well, uh, I would say that last week I kind of uh hit
the ground running because Istarted coaching cross-country
track last week and we startedschool this week, so kind of
been taking up a lot of my time,but of course, uh as as we
spoke about off-air I'm stillcontinuing my pursuit of
finishing smallville as quicklyas possible.
(02:08):
So I'm in season eight.
I will uh just just tell loyallisteners, guys, I still feel
that lana's the villain, so oneday we'll circle back to this,
but lana lang, one day is thevillain of smallville.
But what have, uh, you been upto this week?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'm gonna just, you know, rebuff that just a little
bit, because I think Rich is theonly person in existence who
has this particular outlook onSmallville.
But you know, it's a fresh one.
There's no such thing as badopinions, but there are wrong
ones in my book.
Anyway, anthony, what are youwhat?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
do you think that's the other way around dakota?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
they're definitely bad opinions listen when you,
when you guys get to seasoneight.
All right, come back to me tellme that you don't come back,
she's the look, look.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I was at season eight at one point in my life.
Okay, and season nine andseason 10, all right all right,
all right enough with the thepissing contest anthony, what
have you been up to?
I have been up to.
What have I been up to?
Well, actually, I've kind ofbeen doing some professional
stuff.
(03:18):
So this week my job is kind ofdoing a test run, of trying to
like prove to our higher upsthat we need to like keep some
of our contractors on like fulltime, because if we don't have
them then the queue will be gone.
So they took five of us out ofthe queue for this week just to
like test that theory and Iwould say so far, like it's kind
(03:40):
of proven them right that we doneed them.
You know, because if they go,like in january, we'll kind of
get, like you know, swamped,particularly, you know, like on
like earlier in the weeks, likemonday or tuesdays, if we were
off for a holiday.
But but yeah, so I've been kindof taking this opportunity to
kind of work on somecertifications that I've been
(04:00):
wanting to do.
Right now I'm working on onecalled the AZ-900.
It's just like the Azurefundamentals.
Azure is a cloud system thatbusinesses use for various
different things, for whateverit is that they need, and I know
that my job, the bank, we useAzure for various different
(04:23):
things profiles and whatnot.
But so I've been trying to kindof like work on getting
certifications, kind of build upmy knowledge base and, you know
, kind of bolster up what I knowand you know I'm getting the
experience.
So now I want to get thecertifications.
I kind of backed that up andyou know you can start to
command a bit more money whenyou start getting that stuff in.
I mean you know you can startto command a bit more money when
(04:44):
you start getting that stuff in.
I mean you would know, dakota,like you had worked on something
recently, kind of not really ina similar vein, but like you
know, just kind of like tryingto get to the next level and I
know that that that helps outwith pay the journeyman right
yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah.
I was dragging my head likewhat did I do?
Did you ever hear back fromthat you never like told us oh,
I, I passed, I passed, okay,yeah, yeah, I know you said you
felt like you did I passed, yeah, um, and I'm pretty sure I got
the score that I thought I got,which I'm happy about sweet so
yeah, I've been.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm kind of like mapping out what I want to do
and you know I'm working towardsthat and my supervisors they
said that, like you know, likehey, look, if the director kind
of sees that you're working onthese different certifications
and they see that you're tryingto improve yourself, they may
actually offer to pay for you totake these certification tests.
Because, like you know, some ofthese tests I don't know if the
(05:47):
I'm pretty sure the one thatyou took probably cost money,
but some of these certificationsthey cost anywhere from you
know like a hundred dollars toyou know a few or so hundred
dollars, a couple hundreddollars, yeah, certifications
yeah, so it's no joke.
So, yeah, no, I'm, I'm workingon that.
Obviously, before I actuallytake the test I'm gonna do
(06:08):
example tests and whatnot tokind of feel better about taking
the actual test before I spendthe money.
But it'll be cool if I do getkind of backed by my job to
cover, you know, some of thecertifications.
That'd be awesome.
But really that's mostly whatI've been working on, aside from
just watching aliens.
(06:28):
And you know, just on my onepiece trek I had taken a couple
weeks off of of one piece butI've been hopping back on it
again rich is shaking his head.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
He can't believe anyone would take a break from a
tv show right, yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, that's why youcan't start one piece, otherwise
he, he's, uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, man, I'm sorry I can't hold on to something
like that.
I like to go out my.
I like to save her.
I'm not racing like for whatyou know.
So flash baby, that's my thing,man he's like the flash man.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
That's awesome bro, but yeah um, this isn't a bad
thing.
It happens regularly on my job.
But I got laid off so I am afree agent for a little while,
so I have a little time off ofwork.
As an electrician especially aunion electrician this isn't
really a big deal.
Eventually I'll get picked upby another company.
Sometimes it's a longer waitthan other times, but, uh, it's
(07:23):
a good opportunity for me tocatch up on some of my work
online, which I've kind of puton the back burner a little bit
while I've been at work.
So that's a good thing.
But because I am off, I amdoing an impromptu trip tomorrow
morning to Miami, florida,because my grandmother's in the
hospital.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, I'm sorry to hear thatman.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Thank you.
Yeah, I'm going to be downthere for a couple days.
It's not going to be like a funtrip, it's just going to be
family and stuff.
So, anthony, if I have somefree time I will hit you up, but
if not, please don't feel bad.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
No, no, no, yeah, man .
Well, you know, you know, Iknow how you feel.
Absolutely yeah, man, it isFamily.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It is what it is.
But, guys, I think enough timehas passed and we better get
back, because it'll be dark soonand they mostly come out at
night.
Mostly we need to talk aboutaliens.
I don't know if you guys caughtthat, it's one of my favorite
quotes from Aliens Newt.
Scamander, alien the newtskimander, yep, newt skimander.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
what are our thoughts on aliens, folks, anthony,
let's start with you well, this,this movie, I mean, like you
said, it's a lot different yougo from we went from a horror
movie to an action movie andit's a complete 180.
Yeah, right, right, yeah, it's.
It's completely different.
You go from the, the slow,gradual build-up, to the reveal
(08:51):
an alien to, you know, spacemarines kind of you know just
shooting a bunch of thesexenomorphs see, and then so this
one, that this is where you getthe name xenomorph yeah, they
actually say they didn't reallyexplain why they called it a
xenomorph.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I'm reading the novelization now so that I can
try to make sense out of howthey came up with the name,
because it's such a strange nameto just start calling this
species that nobody exceptripley, at least in this like
sphere, has seen.
You know like I'm very confusedabout it, so I'm right to see
what's what.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
What well it would make sense down the line when
you actually get to the partwhere you see them.
You know, like in other movieswhere I mean you kind of talked
a little bit about it, where youstart to see different types of
xenomorphs.
So that's where it makes sense,you know, because the xeno kind
of being like alien, and thenthe morph, you know, for obvious
(09:49):
reasons yeah but yeah, I getwhat you're coming from.
I guess maybe they're saying itbecause of how they, you know,
how they kind of like come fromthe face hugger to impregnate
into a person and I guess theykind of morph into a humanoid
type of creature, unless there'sknowledge that isn't explained
(10:13):
like meta or outside knowledgethat is not explained in this
movie.
But it's interesting.
When I was watching this movieI was like, yeah, the movie
starship troopers definitely gotinspiration from this movie,
definitely got inspiration fromthis movie.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
The Marines were like the same.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
You know I was like OK, like I was like man.
Why does this feel so likefamiliar and like that's what.
That's where I got it?
I was like OK, so they pulled abit from this.
So it was interesting.
Man Ripley is just like she's'sa badass in all these movies.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
In pretty much all respects yeah.
Rich you were going to saysomething about the Xenomorph.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Didn't, ripley.
So I know it was in that dreamand I don't believe this was
revisited.
But when she was in the dreambefore the xenomorph pops out of
her stomach, she's talking tothe paul reiser guy and he says
that well, you've been asleepfor 57 years yeah right, and I
(11:16):
know that she snapped out of thedream sequence, but I took it
to be that she's been asleep for57 years.
so we do find out that he knowsabout this alien and wanted to
bring it back, essentially forthe company again.
So I think that they would havedeveloped a name for it, like
at least the company has a namefor it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Right, I guess the in-film logic I'm trying to
understand.
By the way, 57 years thing isthe canonical time jump between
film.
Yeah, so it is.
That is to be taken as factual.
They explore that more in thein the novel and I believe that
they explore it more in thespecial edition which adds, like
(11:56):
I think, 15 to 20 minutes oh uh, footage.
So I'll watch that and get backto you guys when we cover
aliens 3 next.
But the in-film logic behindthe name xenomorph.
She does explain herself acouple times to, or like plenty
of times to that tribunal thatthey have basically
incriminating her for thedestruction of the stroma.
(12:17):
And they don't believe her.
They don't, but that's thething.
They don't believe her aboutthe alien.
There's no evidence of thisexisting so.
So in the novelization theyclaim that someone tampered with
the files or, like Ripleybelieves someone tampered with
the files because there shouldbe plenty of documentation of
this thing on board, which therewas.
But whatever, they don't reallyshow that in the movie.
(12:38):
Anyhow.
That's why I'm a little bitconfused about why they suddenly
have a name for it, because ifthey didn't believe her, but
then they, I guess they had tohave believed her when they went
back to the planet.
You know, it's just interesting.
Yeah, I want to, I want anexplanation.
I don't currently, I don't know, that's what's eating me away.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Good, I wouldn't.
I guess you know what it is.
I think that I watch so manymovies like this that I will for
some reason explain awaysomething pretty quickly.
I'm like, oh all right, cool,just with these action movies.
Like, if you just give me alittle nugget, I'll kind of like
, because in my head, like paulreiser's character is like part
(13:16):
of like the you know r and d orwhatever, like he's on a mission
from like that not everybodyknows about, so I could see how
the tribunal would be.
Like we don't know what you'retalking about, but you know he
does.
Like they've been doing secrettesting or something in the span
could be 57 years.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Very much could be.
Yeah, anthony.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Final thoughts on the xenomorph discussion we're
gonna see a lot of them in thismovie.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yes, we will and a giant queen one yeah, we get a
new one, rich.
What are your thoughts on thismovie overall?
I know you talked a little bitabout it before we started the
show, but what are your thoughtsgoing into this movie as
opposed to the last film?
I just think that.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
So ridley scott, did you know?
Spoke about how I admired thecraft, but it wasn't really my
type of movie.
This was my type of movie.
This was definitely.
I'm an 80s action guy.
This followed all the beats ofmy 80s action Like.
One of my favorite parts aboutthis movie is so ridiculous.
(14:21):
So she becomes like a dockloader right and she starts
working those machines right andI and and when she gets on the
ship and she's like I can helpout, I can do something, and
they're like can you?
And she goes and she startsworking the lift machine right
which they those look like thesecartoons that I used to watch,
these mecha warriors orsomething.
And it was in space and theseguys would like get into these
(14:43):
suits and like fight in veryexos exosuits or something.
And it was in space and theseguys would like get into these
suits and like fight in veryexos exosuits or something like
that.
It was called gundam.
No, it was an americanizedversion of it on channel 11 when
I was growing up.
I'll have to, I'll have to dig alittle deeper, but I was so
excited when she got into it andI said in my head, if this is
the type of action movie that Ilove.
She's gonna do some bad A stuffWith those robots, that
(15:07):
mechanism and man.
As it's going along I'm likemaybe it's not going to happen
and then she finally gets to useit.
Oh man, that to me wraps up themovie perfectly.
That's how I feel about it.
I was so happy.
There's stuff that annoy me.
Why is Newt the only human inthe history of interaction with
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these aliens that doesn't getimplanted like just, you know,
yeah, we're just gonna storelater, you know like like I
think she just stayed away fromthem.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
She kind of realized what the people who survived a
quiet place realized shut up, ohno, I mean stay quiet.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I mean when she gets taken by the, oh, like when she
gets taken back to the nest.
Whatever I'm like, come on Ithink it's timing.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You know, like I think she literally just got
placed there and one of thosefacehugger things hadn't been
birthed yet that's, that's myunderstanding.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Okay, accepted, I'm fine with that.
Now I really like this one.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I know we're only two in, but this is my favorite
installment by far okay yeah, no, I think dakota's right, it's
not like hours went by, I thinkthere's like minutes, you know,
so yeah, because it was.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It was something like she had, uh, 19 minutes by the
time that you know she realized.
Oh, I still have time to gograb this girl, you know, yeah,
so it was something like that,yeah yeah, man, this movie
definitely.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
They tried to put some of the creepy vibes in it,
you know, especially when theand you know, obviously in in
true project ecology form.
You know we're gonna bebouncing, bouncing around a lot,
but the part where the alienswere in the roof and the motion
tracker was tracking a bunch ofthem, so that was the moment
(16:55):
where they were trying to addthat creepy.
They're like, okay, this isalien, we have to have something
creepy in here.
So I think that was like theattempt for it.
And I mean, you know, like itwas crazy.
When he like opens up the panelup on the roof and you just see
all those xenomorphs up there,I'm like, yeah, it's time to go.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
And they're creepy man, they are just inherently.
You know, they're alwayssomehow super juicy, juicy.
Speaking of which I'm gonnapause the podcast.
You, listener, have not ratedour podcast a five-star juicy
review, yet you need to give usa five-star juicy review,
otherwise we're just gonna stoptalking think xenomorph they
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really are always like.
They're always so moist.
What's up with this?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
every surface I was re-watching.
It's funny because sometimesit's like running water dude,
like what is crazy?
Where's it coming from?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
yeah, I was watching alien one today and there's this
scene where she enters theshuttle at the end of the movie
and you know, you know, there'sjust that alien tucked away
napping in a corner and there'sa slow shot of its hands, like
lifting up from the computerterminal, and it's just like
this guy was whoever the actorwas literally dipped his hand in
(18:18):
Vaseline or something and justlike smeared it everywhere.
It was the craziest amount offluid I've ever seen for a hand.
So anyway, these guys are juicy.
They are the juiciest thingswe've ever encountered.
On Project Ecology.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, but it's not the good kind of juicy though
it's not.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
But it could be if you give us a five-star juicy
review.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yes, give us the non-acidic.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
The non-acidic.
The non-acidic version yeah, soI have yet to properly like,
give my my take on this movie.
I really enjoy it.
This is the one that I think iskind of the quintessential
alien movie in a way, eventhough you need the first movie
to watch this one.
This is the adventure.
This is where the hobbitsfinally go to Mordor, this is
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where it all goes down and it'sa totally different vibe.
But coming at it which is weirdthat I'm saying this because
Aliens was always my favoriteone but I'm going to have to
actually say coming at it, as anadult that has been critiquing
movies for about a decade now, Ihave to edge out for the
original Alien by Rid at it.
As you know, like an adult thathas been critiquing movies for
about a decade now I have to.
I have to edge out for theoriginal alien by really scott I
(19:30):
.
I do believe this has the moreexciting story, this has the
more engagement.
But pound for pound I'm when Iwatch alien I'm like, oh wow,
that's an incredible shot.
Oh wow, that was such a cooleffect.
Oh wow, how did they do that?
When I'm watching Aliens I'mthinking, all right, let's get
(19:50):
the job done, let's go to thenext scene, let's go here, let's
go there.
It's a totally different vibeand I feel like, yeah, I do
think Ridley Scott is the bettervisual director and that's
actually kind of why I like thenew film that came out recently,
alien Romulus, is because ithas the adventure aspects of
aliens, but it also has thehorror and the dread that you
(20:12):
get from Alien 1.
And Fade Alvarez, the directorof that one, did such a
tremendous job in my opinion.
I can't wait till we cover thatone and, yeah, I'll talk about
that more when we get there, butyeah, that's my thoughts that
one and yeah, I'll talk aboutthat more when we get there.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
But yeah, that's my thoughts.
Yeah, I kind of agree with youbecause I feel like alien does
need that creep factor right andyou don't really get that much
in this one, not the way thatyou do in the first one, and a
lot of that has to do with theshots right.
You get the close-ups, theutilization of darkness.
You know there's darkness inthis one, but this one is pretty
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much a pure action movie.
Yes, it is the movie that's abit more fun to watch because
there is a lot going on.
And when you think about theAlien series, I think about this
one and the third one andthere's a couple of shots that
always make me think of theseries.
(21:11):
And the second one it's ripleyand that exoskeleton yeah I
always think of that.
And then the third one is ridleylooking away with the xenomorph
, like right up on her it's,yeah, there's yeah, yeah, and
we'll talk more about that nextweek, but you know that's what
(21:31):
I'm saying.
Like you know, when I think ofthe alien series, I think mostly
of aliens and an alien 3because of some of these shots.
But it was nice going back tosee that first one and, from
what it seems, is like the thedirector of romulus wanted the
best of both worlds when it cameto alien and aliens.
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Because you don't want analmost two hour slog fest, you
know you gotta have some sort oflike adrenaline, especially
nowadays, right, and you do haveto.
Even with all the shots andstuff, you do go a very long
time in the first one with like,mostly dialogue.
It's a, it's like dialogue,dialogue, dialogue, yeah yeah,
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yeah, you know, and and you knowso it can be a little bit of a
slog in that first one.
But once that buildup happensand the stuff starts to happen,
that's where the genius reallyhappens in the film.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
And I think Aliens.
The second one I hate thetitling structure of these
movies.
I've always hated them.
I feel like it's hard to just.
You know, it's so easy to justsay Alien or Aliens and
miscommunicate which one you'retalking about.
I'm talking about the sequel,the squeakquel Aliens plural.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Is that a reference to the Chipmunks movies?
Perhaps?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Perhaps Deep cut, deep cut.
It's a movie I've never evenseen before.
I just like the term squeakquel.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Oh, I have, I have, sir.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I bet you have Rich.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
That is going to be the movie we are covering next
week, that would be amazing.
You thought we were coveringAlien 3?
No, it is going to be Alvin andthe Chipmunks, the first movie
no, no the squeakquel, we justjump right in.
So we're just going tocompletely jump over the first
one we're just going to gostraight to the squeakquel.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't need to.
It's not like Aliens where Ineed the first movie to
understand that these talkingchipmunks are going to get into
some trouble or something.
I don't even know what that'sabout, guys.
So what I was saying is Aliens.
The second one it requiressorry, it doesn't require it's
kind of the movie that the restof the series kind of anchors on
.
It helps explain what happensin the first movie and it
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definitely moves the plotforward towards the third and
fourth movies and it definitelymoves the plot forward towards
the third and fourth movies andI think that that is, you know,
a huge role that this movieplays.
It gives us a lot of information, tells us what the xenomorphs
are, tells us how they, theirbreeding cycle works, because in
the first movie we didn't knowthat there was another step
before the eggs.
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You know, we just kind ofassumed that somehow eggs
disappeared.
Or, you know, it was like a,like a mono sex species where,
like it, was neither male norfemale, it just reproduced by
itself.
We didn't know, we didn't haveany answers.
Now we have some answers.
So I do give James Cameron someserious props.
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He did expand on the universequite a bit.
We didn't have a name for theplanet that they were on.
Now it's LV-426.
And what else?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Did I miss this?
So we're supposed to believethat the alien they got to LV in
the original got to lv two, two, four two, six yeah they, they
land.
The alien is actually on a ship, not on the planet itself.
Ripley believes that all ofthem are killed and that's what
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we see at the end.
She wakes up and they've had acolony there and they haven't
had any prior incidents to likeright after she happens to wake
up is so?
Speaker 1 (25:12):
they don't explain it super well in the film and I
don't think they explain it verywell so far in the book that
I'm reading.
But we do know that there wereother eggs on the alien ship,
the derelict shipped in the.
In the first movie we saw that.
You know, kane only goes up toone of the eggs and that's the
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one that has the facehugger popout and, you know, give him a
kiss.
We don't know that there arethousands.
She claims that there arethousands on this planet in that
derelict ship but we only seemaybe a dozen from the first
movie.
But we know that there areothers because we only saw the
single alien on their ship, thenostromo.
So she's worried that you knowlike these aliens are still out
(25:56):
there, they need to bomb thehell out of that place.
Whatever they don't believe her.
They've already sent a team ofpeople to explore the planet.
We don't know how close theyare on the planet to the
derelict ship, so it's possiblethey don't ever really encounter
it.
We don't know how the aliensbroke out of that cycle and
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found like fresh meat you know,like meats back on the menu at
this place.
But we don't know how thathappens, anthony I was waiting.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I was waiting for that reference to come up.
It was either gonna be dakotaor rich.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
I love it so much how do they even know what a menu?
Speaker 1 (26:36):
is these aliens are well fed.
I'll just put it.
They go to the finest uhrestaurants this side of lv426
that, yeah, that queen is wellfed how did she get that big?
how'd she get that belly?
Don't know?
Oh, it was.
Let's talk about the queen.
We've danced around the topicof the queen a little bit.
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What are crazy concepts?
I love the scene where ripleyhas just saved newt.
She's looking around.
Actually, your background isthat scene where Ripley is in
the midst of all of those eggsand she holds all the firepower
in her hands.
The Queen basically tells allof her grunts to leave because,
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like she doesn't want Ripley todo anything stupid, ripley goes
and could have just made an easyescape.
You know, there was some likemutual appreciation of what her
firepower was capable of.
And then Ripley turns aroundand just like you know what, nah
and just flame blasts.
Everything Starts blowingchunks out of the queen to the
(27:43):
point where the queen just ripsher own abdomen off and starts
chasing her up the ship.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
It's crazy, it's wild yeah, this, yeah, this movie is
crazy.
Yeah, that's why I picked.
I picked that, because thatscene it was funny, because,
yeah, like she ripley gave likeessentially like a warning shot,
like you know, look, I havethis.
Like you know, she sprayed theflamethrower like kind of in the
air and the queen kind of yeah,made like that shriek and then
(28:10):
waved off the other likexenomorph grunts and, yeah, man,
when she she just like turnedaround, torched it, I was like,
yeah, I was thinking the samething.
I was like man, she could haveprobably gotten out of there,
but then again, after she left,you know, the queen would have
just sent them right after her.
So so she was like, yeah, youknow what I'm just going to take
some down with me, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, Rich.
What are your thoughts on theQueen?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
It's just so great because it feels like you know,
this is only my second one, it'sonly you know, I've watched now
twice for the first one andtwice for the second one.
You really get the feeling like, oh, it's over, right, like she
did it day's over, and thenit's like nope, and I just I
(28:55):
kind of love that feeling,because it was the same when I
was watching the first one.
When she gets into the shuttleand I'm I'm so bad about this, I
really wish I had betterself-control, but I do like to
compulsively like check how muchtime is left in something.
I'm not sure if this is becauseGame of Thrones broke me so
much, where I was like you'rejibbing us of more content, but
(29:17):
I tend, especially if we'regoing to review something,
sometimes I think I, or if I'mgoing to teach something, I
really want to know how muchtime is left, because I'm trying
to figure out what story beatsthey could possibly do.
Next, right, and, and the firstone, since I didn't know
anything.
Sure, she gets in the shuttleand I'm like tapping the screen.
I'm just like that's weird.
I mean, what exactly is gonna?
Oh, so I was waiting after shegot nude, right, I was like that
(29:42):
was a little too easy.
I'm like something's gottahappen and I just I was so happy
when I saw the queen and whenshe rips herself off like in
half and runs, it's just insaneand I was creeped out by her,
although I wasn't.
They remind me of like thesecave dwellers in the skyrim
series, these uh chitlin orsomething like kind of these uh
(30:05):
underground scorpions thatattack you and it was kind of
very reminiscent of that.
And man, I've played enoughvideo games.
Like I knew riley was gonnaturn around, you gotta torch the
eggs, like that's.
That's like heroing 101, youknow, if you see a batch of bad
guy eggs, you gotta burn them.
So yeah, it's not exactly theartistic level of the last one,
(30:29):
but man, it's just a rip-roaringgood time.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I oh, it's a fun movie.
It is.
That is something james cameronis so good at, especially when
it comes to, you know, like assoon as there's something to
protect, oh, he protects it withhis life, you know when paul
riser like ends up locking thedoors as he's running away, oh,
(30:53):
I was like he better get hisjust desserts.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
And then, like he gets cornered, I'm like that's
what you get.
Paul riser, I thought you werea good guy who took care of a
girl with another guy, but no itwas crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
He totally turned against everything that he
promised.
She, in the beginning of themovie, was just like all right,
only if you promise that we'regonna blow these things to hell,
or something along those linesI don't remember the exact
phrase and he's just like youhave my word.
And then, like midway throughthe movie, the uh, bishop, the
synth or the android, he goeswait a minute, but burke told me
(31:27):
to do the exact opposite.
He wants to bring us one of thespecimens home and she just
looks at him like you mfr uhyeah, it, definitely it.
It is a really funny betrayaland it's just corporate greed.
It's just literal corporategreed to to it's like, to its
like late stage capitalism.
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This is what happens.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
And I don't want to pigeonhole actors, but did you
like Anthony?
Have you seen?
I don't know about you, butanything else?
I've seen this actor in PaulReiser.
He's a good guy, right.
So I actually bought into hischarisma and shtick.
I was like he's a good guy.
Am I the only one who didn'tsee this coming?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
let's look up some movies that we might have seen
him in, because and it's- likeit's like you know, here, here
we go again.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You know we got ian home all over again.
Like these people want to bringthis freaking creature back
home, man.
But it's tough because I meanbut.
But like, honestly, aftereverything that they've gone
through you, you know it's likeat that point I'd be like man,
forget this.
I don't give a dang what thecompany says.
Like these things are insane.
(32:37):
Like why would I bring thisback?
You know, but like still no, ohoh, duty is duty, duty is duty.
Honestly, to tell you the truth, bro, I'm the kind of person
that, like if I saw somethingthat was like insanely like,
insanely crazy, that was gonnaget me killed, I don't care if I
get fired, I'm gone, I'm out ofthere.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I'm blowing these things up yeah, yeah, it's
pretty crazy and I think that'sjust a running theme throughout
all of alien it's just like dude, there's gonna be guys who they
want the money.
They for some they need it forthis weapons program man.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I mean, what's that money going to do if you're dead
?
And that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Anthony, you brought something up that I find really
interesting.
Just on a lore and almost likea theological or thematic level,
you called it the company.
Because they call it thecompany.
You know everyone is owned bythis company.
They never say the name aloudin the movie, but we do see that
(33:38):
.
You know it's again so likethey have Weyland-Yutani all
over the first movie and nowthey have Weyland.
They've added a D for somereason in this movie,
Weyland-Yutani's all over thethe background of that movie and
they've got a new logo andeverything and that's the logo.
That is continued throughoutthe rest of the series.
But they don't ever name thecompany wayland yutani out loud
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and it's it's just almost like areverent the company capital c.
You know like they're allbeholden to the company.
You know everything that theydo is for the company or, you
know, against the company andripley's case, um, and another
thing that they still don't dois in the theatrical cut.
(34:22):
I don't believe they ever callher ellen ripley.
I think she's still ripleythroughout the entire movie,
even the credits.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Actually I looked, I I wanted to pay attention to
that and the credits others havetwo names.
She's still just ripley she'sstill just ripley.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
It's the most bizarre , like it's this one.
I actually don't reallyunderstand, because in the
novelization and the specialedition they do call, call her
Ellen a couple times, but forsome reason they kept that out
of the theatrical cut and maybethat's just an homage to how
she's like, utilized in thefirst movie or you know the role
that she plays, the characterthat she plays.
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Another thing that I didn'teven touch in this movie is that
Ellen Ripley had a daughter onEarth and that was a big plot of
the special edition.
She was really hurt that shemissed out on the entire life of
her daughter because she was incryosleep for Wait, does her
daughter die while she's incryosleep?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Just?
Shortly before she wakes up.
That's really bad luck.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I know it's almost as if it's hitting that way.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Well, maybe because Ripley just sounds cooler.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Ripley does sound.
I mean, yeah, Ripley's reallycool, ripley.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I mean like and that's exactly what she does she
Ripleys them a new one, youknow.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Believe it or not, she Ripleys.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I was waiting.
I was waiting for the nextpause.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Sorry, I was waiting.
I was waiting for the nextpause.
Sorry, oh my gosh.
Sorry, I'm taking all the goodquotes today.
Guys, I'll hold back from nowon.
Yeah, let's talk about theMarines, because there's a lot
of fun that is to be had withthe Marines.
I think the actor who clearlyhad the most fun was Bill Paxton
.
It's game over man.
It's game over this.
(36:07):
It's game over this guy wasthrowing a fit the entire movie
as soon as anything happened forthe next hour and a half, this
guy was sweating bullets,crapping his pants.
He was jumping all over theplace.
He was the most fun person towatch and you hate him because
he's such a loser.
He's all talk, no walk,basically.
(36:28):
See, I held him up as a.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
I was like, if I had signed up to be a Marine, sure
Okay.
And then that happens Uh-uh,uh-uh.
I'm here to fight people, youknow, space cannons, whatever
this was.
I mean, oh, I don't play.
I love the actor.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
He's I know I love he's great in weird science.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I love him.
I think he's yeah he brings thelevity to it.
You know, he's like the onlyguy who could have, I'm sorry,
the, not proximity, but the, thetracker, whatever that they had
, the motion detector, you knowI kind of like that he was in
control, like he was in controlof that.
That was his role.
I like, when you kind of needan analog for the audience and a
(37:13):
little bit of safety valve, Iagree, you know, and he's like
the because in the first one Imean, yeah, they, you know,
obviously you have the issuewith mr robot over there
sneaking everything on and he'skind of pulling the strings
behind.
But this is more of obviously atrained military unit.
You know that they signed upfor this.
But I still feel like whenthere's something completely out
(37:37):
of the ordinary, you know, likeif a cop gets called to an
accident and shows up andthere's a dragon there, like I
don't blame him if he pieces out, and it's like I'm not doing
this, like I signed up to be acop.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I don't deal with dragons, that's fair.
There's a line that I love byNewt where Ripley tries to
comfort her and say it's okay,we have trained Marines now and
she goes that's not going tomake any difference.
And it's true, it doesn't makeany difference.
They were no better off thanthe crew members of the Nostromo
(38:12):
.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I would say that, like you know they weren't, it
didn't make any difference dueto, like, sheer volume, but they
did kill quite a few.
True, they were like I wouldsay that they were trained well.
But, like, how do you train tofight against something you've
never fought before?
You know it's, it's different.
(38:36):
And then you know they kill afew, and then it's like you also
don't win when you kill onebecause, like, if you get
sprayed by their juices, youstart to burn.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
you know it's I think half of all the injuries in
this movie were burns yeah,self-inflicted burns from, you
know like, being too close tothem when you popped one?
Yeah, no, it's.
It's also like we're not reallysure if they kill the aliens
even.
You know, like we assume thatheadshots are headshots and
that's gonna down them, but wedon't actually ever see the
(39:11):
bodies after the fact.
So it's entirely possible thatthese are just getting back up.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
They're juicy man, like they just turn into juice.
It's like if you shoot awatermelon, you know.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
You know, what they do is that they melt down and
then they become a part of otherxenomorphs and then just make
them juicier.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Is that what happened with the queen?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I just see Anthony excitedly lean into his mic.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yes and I thought the original commander of the unit.
He's just so deliciouslyridiculous and caricature-like.
All right, we're going to moveout.
No wasting time, ladies, I justlove that drill sergeant-y
thing and, uh, I think hissecond in command isn't that
(39:59):
like john connor's dad fromterminator, like they, like they
just had a great cast here.
Second in command yes actuallyyou know.
So I was like whoa guys, Icouldn't.
I couldn't figure out vasquez.
I know she looked she's beenlike a tough chick in another
movie, but I couldn't figure outwhich one.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
But the casting I thought was really good, that
might be terminator as well.
Wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
Wait a minute, vasquez aliens oh, wait a minute
, is she in terminator?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
she might be the mom who gets taken over, like the,
with the, like the trailer parkmom oh my god, don't tell me
hold up, hold up, hold up theworld is incredible wait, I
can't find it, maybe I'm wrong.
Oh no, terminator 2, judgmentday.
Yeah, no, you're dude.
So that's that's the.
(40:46):
That's the great thing about,uh, james cameron.
He's one of of those directorsthat when he finds people he
likes, he's going to bring themon for the next project, and
that's what he did.
He brought the parents of JohnConnor right into Aliens.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
And they play entirely different characters.
Vasquez is so crazy.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Insane.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
She's such a powerhouse for no reason.
She's the juggernaut apowerhouse?
For no reason.
She's the juggernaut.
She's literally like in thefront of the line with a machine
gun, basically, and she'stowing the line.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's crazy I feel like the only thing that was
missing was like her carryingtwo of them, two of the machine
guns, just like mowing them down, like she does at some point.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
She carries the big gun and the uh, the like pulse
rifle yeah, no, she's she hasthe motion tractor in.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Oh yeah, and so it looks like she's you know double
fisting weapons, but like it'scrazy, yeah, dude it really is
like you know when you watchthis movie and it really is a
classic 80s like action movie.
I mean just that over the toplike action.
It fits so well for the timeperiod that it came out in, you
(41:58):
know, and it's just it.
It's a fun watch.
Man like you just see them,just over the top, just you know
.
Just saying all these linesthat you would, you know, you
would never really hear in amovie.
Nowadays, I think the onlything that I think that's a
james cameron thing.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I think those corny lines are staples of james
cameron because even even up tothe avatar, the way of water,
like that's the one thing thatpeople like really had to gripe
about was james cameron stillhas those corny one-liners but
like that's, that's what makemovies movies, man.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
You know, what's funny is that there's a game and
I know it's just a digression,but it kind of like it fits in
with this.
There's a game called helldivers 2 and the characters in
the game they say nothing butcorny.
One liners all the time, likeone of one of the the lines that
they'll say and it always makesme laugh because how corny it
(42:50):
sounds but, like you know, sayyou're shooting down some of
these, like you know aliens orlike you know whatever's robots,
and they'll say like how abouta cup of liberty?
Isn't that a james cameron likeline that you would hear?
Speaker 1 (43:04):
yeah, yeah, yeah, oh man, yeah.
So another j, another JamesCameron thing that I'd be remiss
to leave out is the fact thathe loves putting like military
types in his movies, whether itbe the Abyss, the Terminator
movies, avatar, definitely likefronting the, the workforce of
(43:34):
the rda.
These are company marines paidfor by the company.
So he loves this visual energyof a military workforce and he
uses them very often and I thinkthat's part of what makes his
movies stand out as his movies.
It's just part of his visualstorytelling and I love that I
love 80s action movies.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Sometimes what I love about them is like the little
thing that I told you guysearlier with the exoskeleton,
right, they do tend to havethose moments that do pay off.
There's like a reward for youpaying attention and wanting to
see what's going to happen withthat and they do those little
kind of easter eggs.
I, I just the the one-liners.
I love this.
Just this just was really great.
I like Jim Cameron movies.
(44:12):
I mean Terminator 2 is one ofmy fondest memories as a young
child.
I think was like I rememberbeing amped for when that came
out, like so amped.
And that epic, you know rhythmis even translated to wrestling
where there was a group thatthey used to set up this big
move where they do double diveson the outside and they would
(44:35):
like both like four.
You know two guys are bangingon the ring and they're just
like boom, boom, boom, boom.
There's something timeless, Ithink about those movies with
those one-liners that it'sentertainment, it's fun, it's
not supposed to be completelyreal life and people don't need
to sound like they do in reallife.
It's okay if they say cornystuff.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
That's why david caruso has a career I think a
lot of people have careersbecause well, you could, you
could sum up the 80s with prettymuch the 80s cinema, with
movies like this, like theaction movies and, uh, like john
hughes movies and you know justa couple other things that like
really like kind of age it,this movie.
(45:15):
You know you could tell thatit's an 80s movie just because
of the feel of it, but you know,and, and that's not like you
know a wise crack on it, it'sjust, you know it's a product of
its time and it's still.
It's still like it amazes me,the xenomorphs still look really
good in this movie like youknow, I love the practicality of
(45:38):
it, man, the practical effects.
I understand why people wantmore of it and I understand that
it's tough because it costsmore money.
You know you actually have tohave a physical thing and,
depending on the size of it, thebigger it gets, the more it
costs, right?
So I understand why cgi hastaken over.
(46:02):
But just seeing the giant alienqueen, yeah, and it looked
really cool.
Oh, did you see, like some ofthe scenes and I laughed when I
noticed it?
There was a lot of scenes wherethat airship was coming down.
You could tell that they wererunning away from a screen.
Yeah, you could see that therewas like a screen in the
background and they were runningaway from that screen.
(46:25):
But I just think it's so smartman, they use what they have and
also, I guess you know, becausethey did create like an
explosion like that, but that'slike you know, to keep the
actors safe and whatnot.
You know, you don't want tohave like a explosion with your
actual actors right there.
I just thought it was funnywhen I noticed the screens.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
I didn't notice the screen, to be honest.
I'm going to have to check thatout on rewatch.
But yeah, no, like you said, Ilove the practical effects.
I think a big issue withpractical is that you have to
account for so much error.
You know like there's you'regoing to have strings.
You know, like I saw a couplealiens that were like being held
(47:06):
up on strings and stuff.
They were like one second shots, if that, you know, it's just
like the strings are there butthey do the best with what they
can in a pre-CGI world.
And one of my favorite shots inall of the Alien movies is when
the alien comes out of thewater behind Newt and it just
(47:26):
looks so sinister, you know, andthe tail comes up first.
But you can tell the tail isbeing pulled up by a string.
You know it's a gorgeous scene,it's a gorgeous shot, but you
could tell, like, put yourthinking cap on for a second.
You can understand how this isbeing done on screen and I think
that is a good thing.
And a bad thing when it comesto practical is that, like it's
(47:49):
harder to hide your mistakes,whereas CGI you can engineer
exactly what you want.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Basically, Right, right, and I think that's the
big draw.
I feel like nowadays, with thetechnology that is available, I
think it would be easy.
We've come a long way,especially with practical
effects.
I do think that we could getaway like it wouldn't look corny
nowadays, like we would make itlook really good and we yeah
(48:18):
yeah, and wires, because thereare instances where wire and
harnesses are used but there's away that they do it to where
it's edited out or they're usingsomething that's green so that
they can just make it disappearin the background or whatever.
But I do believe that practicaleffects.
(48:39):
I think it boils down to not somuch the error but the cost,
maybe back in the day, but it'shard now, like the way that you
know people are professionalsnow mean.
Not that they weren't back then, but you know, it's just we've
gotten better at the craft sinceback in the day.
(48:59):
And when we do see practicaleffects on the screen nowadays,
it usually looks really good.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
I don't disagree Really quick.
I was looking up that actressthat played Vasquez.
Her name is Jeananettegoldstein.
She's not latina, oh uh, she'snot.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
She is jewish her man , she, she could have like
fooled, like she had like that,like new york there's one line
where she says a spanish wordand I'm like she said that kind
of weird it was.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
It was vamonos, yeah, but like she said it a little
bit anglicized and it was, itwas a weird moment for me.
I was just like she looks sospanish but she said that weird.
She said vamonos or somethinglike that and yeah, now, now I
understand.
So she, she does have theethnic look to her because her
family is from brazil andmorocco, but but yeah, she's
(49:50):
jewish, she's not latina.
I've been fooled same fool meonce.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Shame on you we'll give it to her with the.
I mean, you said brazil, youknow that's south america, you
know that's that's close yeah, Imean, I know they speak.
You know portuguese down there,but yeah, it's close enough,
guys.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Final thoughts on aliens.
Unless you have something elseyou want to talk about, anthony
yeah, man, this was.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
I was excited to come back to this movie because I
remember it being pretty fun andthat's exactly what it is.
I remember it just being crazy,action-packed, like.
I didn't remember every singlescene, but I just remember a lot
of like shooting and explosions.
And that's exactly what it wasa lot of shooting and explosions
and, yeah, no, it was a funtime.
(50:37):
So, yeah, I'm glad that we'redoing this series because it's
giving me a chance to kind of goback and watch some of these
movies that I haven't seen in along time.
Like I said, I've seen two andthree more than I've seen the
first one.
So going back to see the firstone it was, it was definitely a
treat.
But, yeah, it's a fun movie.
(50:58):
If you haven't seen it, go andsee it.
I would.
I would suggest watching thefirst one just so that you have
like the foundation and thencome to this.
But yeah, no, it's, it's fun.
I, I enjoyed it rich throwingit over to you.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
You know I going to say something crazy and maybe
offensive, but I almost thinkthat you could jump into Aliens
without seeing the first one andalmost just kind of ride with
it and be okay.
I think that they give youenough of Ripley saying like hey
, this is a terrible idea.
You know we shouldn't do it andthat's very much a kind of 80s
(51:33):
action movie tropey thing.
You know, even like predator,like yeah, I don't know, it
sounds like a bad idea.
You know, like so many of thesemovies start with like people
going into that that I thinkthat you could be okay.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Obviously you're better served watching the first
one, uh, but I love this onewell, there is definitely be
some holes for you there, likewhy is she being tried?
You go into this movie like whyis she in trouble?
Why was she in crowd sleep for50 years?
Speaker 1 (51:56):
you know what was that?
What happened?
Nightmare that she had, yeah,what is that nightmare that she
has?
Why is she having?
Speaker 2 (52:02):
yeah.
So yeah you, I would say, gowatch this movie.
If you haven't seen the aliensmovies at all, definitely go
watch that first one, because ifyou go into the second one you
might be a little confused youknow why she's so reluctant to.
You know, go to these creatures.
You know like that.
You know like you definitelywant to have that foundation.
You know dakota says that it islike the foundation for the
(52:24):
entire series.
But this movie is thefoundation or kind of like the
template for the rest yeah yeahno, I really enjoy this movie.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
It's a top five mcu movie for me.
Um, I think I'm gonna side moreon anthony's perspective with
this one in terms of I don'tthink this is one where you can
just listen.
You can pick up and watchwhatever movie you want and you
can.
You'll a little lost and you'llfind your way and I think this
is one of those movies where youwill find your way.
(52:55):
It's not the most mind-bendingmovie you'll ever watch.
You can figure it out.
But you are going to miss outon much of Ripley's arc, which I
think is important, because hercharacter from the start of the
first movie to the end of thismovie is an entirely different
beast, and I am it's.
I think ripley as a characteris just such a fun person to
(53:17):
follow because she was nevermeant to be an action hero but
action hero was thrust upon herand you know she acquiesced uh,
especially with the exoskeletonscene.
Man like that like you can't saythat that was an action
hero-esque when she threw downon the alien queen with that
(53:39):
thing I thought she was gonnarip it in half for a second.
You know, for the exoskeletonwas super cool, like I don't
know why we don't have those inreal life.
That looked like a functional,like power lifting suit, like am
, I am I wrong, it looked realyeah, yeah, no, it did look real
.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I think that it yeah like.
Why does that not like exist?
Because that definitely wouldhelp with heavy lifting with
different things.
Like you could, and it seemedlike you could.
Um, you know, like you couldmake it.
You don't have to always uselike the big pinchers as like
kind of like the smaller ones.
On the inside it lookspractical.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
It looked practical.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
By the way I looked it up it's, if anybody is
interested, you guys can likesearch up some images.
It's called Exo Squad and thatwas a cartoon show with a line
of toys where basically I mean Ilook the timing of it, I want
to say, is it's got to be rightafter, because it's so similar,
(54:39):
like these exoskeletons aresuper so wait, when did?
Speaker 1 (54:42):
when did exo squad come out?
Speaker 3 (54:44):
because this came out in 86 all right, so exo squad
comes out in 1993 okay, so thisis totally the like you know
coded into exo squad interestingI don't think I've, maybe I
have.
The toys are particularly ofinterest to anybody interested.
They are just so sweet.
(55:05):
You have a figure that goesinside the suit, obviously, and
then everyone has a differentkind of suit, different color,
different functions, beautiful.
You know great stuff for yourdog to chew up when you shoot on
the floor perfect.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
That's exactly what I need is plastic chunks that I
can cut into my foot when I walkout of the room guys throw some
legos down it'll be cheaper.
I know right, she'll probablychew that too.
Guys, thank you so much forlistening to us here for our
132nd episode.
Next week we got another funshow Alien 3.
(55:40):
They're finally doing a propertitling structure for this
series Alien 3.
But it's actually stylized it'sAlien to the Third Power.
I don't even know how to typethat, so let's just call it
Alien 3.
Speaker 2 (55:55):
They should have put the 3 where the E is.
Oh, Alien 3N.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah, that would have been really really smart, but
anyway, we're covering Alien 3.
We're going to see what becomesof the remnants of the Sulaco.
We have Ripley, we have Newt,we have Corporal Hicks and who
else?
We got half of Bishop that'swho survived on this week's
(56:23):
Project Ecology, and I'm surethey have a lot of adventures.
All four of them come next week.
Guys, if you want to check outany more of our socials or find
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