Star Wars: Skeleton Crew - Part 2

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Ever wondered how a simple fantasy journey could morph into a compelling narrative of character growth and mystery? Join Anthony and Dakota with our insightful long-term guest/co-host Rich as we dissect the second half of the first season of "Skeleton Crew," exploring the profound character arcs of Fern, KB, Neil, and Wim as they navigate a world of sci-fi wonders and moral dilemmas. Our conversation reveals the ingenious use of stop-motion animation that weaves magic into storytelling, leaving us eagerly anticipating the potential for more adventures in this universe. Alongside, we pay homage to the legendary David Lynch, whose creative brilliance in projects like "Twin Peaks" lingers in our minds, sparking a discussion about his indelible impact on film and our personal reflections on his work.

As we navigate through the geek culture landscape, we ponder the tantalizing possibilities within the Avatar universe, speculating on the significance of Korra as the 99th Avatar and the looming 100th Earth Avatar. Rich shares his thoughts on Jod Na Nawood from "Skeleton Crew," delving into his complex persona that intrigues and mystifies us. Our journey doesn't stop there; we venture into hidden planets and societal structures within the Star Wars universe, drawing parallels with M. Night Shyamalan's "The Village" and contemplating themes of freedom, control, and the cost of secrecy. Our imaginations run wild as we tease apart these rich narratives, yearning for more depth and clarity.

And what's a geek-culture deep dive without a touch of humor and gaming strategy? Anthony shares his recent binge of "Squid Game" Season 2 and takes us into the gaming realm with his experiences in "Marvel Rivals," experimenting with characters like Peni Parker and Wolverine. Join us as we celebrate the standalone charm of "Skeleton Crew," while hoping for more serialized Star Wars content that will keep us on the edge of our seats.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome all to episode 108 of Project Geekology
, and guess what we have foundAt-At-An?
Finally, after a long, arduousjourney?
I am Anthony, one half of yourhost, and joining me, as always,
is Dakota.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
And I still can't remember no At-At-An.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
But then if you do, then you have to like tear us
from.
You know, limb?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
yeah limb, limb from limb.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
We are also joined, as always, with our our co-host,
slash long-term guest rich hey,buddy, hey, thanks for having
me guys super excited to be herefinally get to kind of.
You know, I feel like this showwas like the at-at-in of our
lives because it gave us.
It was just a never-endingsource of treasure yes, I love

(00:52):
it.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, it's that was very deep rich.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Thank you, that's what they call me.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
They call me that's what they call me deep rich,
deep rich yeah, I, I'm excitedto talk about these final four
episodes of the first season ofskeleton crew.
So, you know, apparently thiswas only billed as a limited
series but they do have plansfor a second season if the show
takes off and it makes enoughmoney for it to be, you know, a

(01:19):
sustainable thing to keep ontheir you know programming slate
.
But yeah, so I, I'm interestedto see where they go with these,
with this show, with thesecharacters, if it doesn't end up
as a second season, like Iwould love to see where these
characters go, because we haveso many great characters that
we've met over the course ofthese eight episodes and I'm
excited to talk about, like, howthey have kind of evolved into

(01:43):
the roles that they eventuallydo by the end of the season.
So you know what, before we getinto any of that, anthony, what
have you been up to this pastweek?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, I so.
I finally finished watchingseason two of Squid Game.
Nice, and for those of you thathave seen season two of Squid
Game, it leaves you off on acliffhanger.
So, and Squid Game is bigenough where, like it,
absolutely will get anotherseason, if you know, if the

(02:10):
story's there oh yeah, it'salready slotted for a season
three that's supposed to becoming out at the end of this
year, I think okay, so it'sprobably already like in the
process of being produced andand that it's going to be the
last season, the third and lastseason, so like after that
they're going to be done, whichI guess you know I could say
that's a good thing.
They could have left it off withjust the one season, but since

(02:32):
they left this one off on acliffhanger, we definitely need
to see, like, how it all ends.
But so I had finished that andI've been playing a lot of
marvel rivals, man, like justgoing crazy on it, dude, just
you know, trying to get betterwith some of the characters.
I just like this.
It's the same thing with withwhat I did with Overwatch.

(02:53):
I'll like kind of stick withthe character for a little while
and then I'll hop on anotherone and then, like, once I kind
of understand at least thebasics and the gist of like how
a character is played, then I'lllike hop onto another character
.
There's certain characters thatI might not really care for or
that I don't want to really playall the time.
In Overwatch, like Tracer wasone of those characters that I

(03:14):
had played for a little bit butweren't like a long term
character for me.
I would say Spider-Man andStar-Lord.
Those are those kind ofcharacters that you have to like
, really like, jump in and jumpout, and I'm not too much of a
fan of that.
I do like to play psylocke alittle bit.
I've been trying to get betterwith her.
Interesting, okay, yeah.
Yeah, I want to play.

(03:35):
I mean I'm I'm pretty good withpenny parker.
I'll say that, like I'm solidwith penny parker and if I'm not
doing well with her as a tank,then I'll swap to groot and
groot's just like an absolute,just like monster like he.
He has a lot of health and hecan do enough damage, like he
does pretty well damage.
He puts up these walls that hehas like two different types of

(03:58):
walls one's like a solid walland one like has these vines
that come out.
So it's fun, it's a.
It's a fun game.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I, I enjoy it you should definitely hop on it.
You never talk about a certaincharacter that gets mentioned
almost every episode.
I think dakota.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
It's one of maybe a character's name that you love
saying oh yeah yeah, we haven'tactually talked about the
wolverine in a little while Iactually messed around with
wolverine for the first timelike the other day, and I mean I
I can kind of see the appeal ifyou're, if you're getting like
healed like pretty well or likeheal bodied, which, like you

(04:34):
know, you're just gettingconstantly healed, yeah you can,
you could do some damage youcould throw down, but I don't
know, I I just like I likedcharacters like cloak and dagger
, invisible woman's like prettyfun.
But yeah, penny and andpsylocke, I've been trying to
like open up my you know I'mlike a jack of all trades.
I got that.
I'm like that in overwatch.
I'm trying to be like that alittle bit in this game.

(04:55):
You know I can play them allbut like I'm not a master of any
of them, you know you're a jackof all trades, master of none,
none.
Yes, yes, except for like maybelike I wouldn't say I'm a master
at Penny, but like that's likeone of my like, more solid picks
, like when I'm like picking upPenny, we're most likely going
to win.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Whoa, it's all order.
It's all order, but then likeif the team around me is like,
it's still like a team game,though you know.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, yep you doing anything else besides, besides
those things?

Speaker 1 (05:26):
No, well, I mean, you know a little bit odds and ends
here and there, but nothing toobig.
How about you, dakota?
What have you been up to?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
A couple things Crazy , you know week we've had.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Let's see oh, it did snow in Florida, did you see
that?
Yeah, oh, it did snow inflorida, did you see that?

Speaker 2 (05:43):
north florida, I did.
Yeah, yo, you guys got eightinches like pretty heavy dude
which is double what you've like.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Double the record of snowfall accumulation in florida
ever crazy um yeah, you'resouthern florida, so it's been
warm for you right, right, butstill like, nice enough, like
50s, 60s, okay.
So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah yeah.
Places like Louisiana and likeNorthern Florida got super snow,
like a lot of snow.
I mean for them, you know likewhen, when you've never seen
snow in your life and you're 50years old and you finally have
like a foot of snow outside,that's crazy.
So I have had fun watchingthose like just TikTok videos of
people experiencing snow forthe first time and just being

(06:23):
super excited about that, ofwhich tiktok was banned very
briefly, and then you know,donald trump supposedly, uh,
brought it back, though that'swhat the app said.
So that was interesting, yeah,and what's weird about that
actually?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
it had a cascade effect.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
It had a cascade effect.
Yeah, you mentioned that youwere trying to play marvel snap
and you were not able to getonline with Marvel Snap.
A couple apps just shut downbecause they were using that.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
UI right.
There was a few mobile gamesthat definitely got messed up
because of the ban, marvel Snapmost notably, and then there's
another League of Legends-stylegame called Mobile Legends that
also got swept into all that.
I'm trying to think of whatelse?
But like I thought that wascrazy.
I was like, oh my gosh, youdon't think about like what's
kind of wrapped up into asituation until that situation

(07:14):
happens, and then, like that,you see the cascade of
everything.
Not everything is like a cleanbreak, you know yeah, what else
have I?

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I have?
I figured out exactly how manyavatars there have been.
The math finally like checkedinto place.
The math mathed and I, you know, I was on my way home and a
light bulb came off and I wasjust like, what do I do?
Do I write this down on myphone?
What do I like?
I figured it out in my head asI was like listening to some
podcasts or whatever so tonumber the exact amount of

(07:46):
avatars that there have everbeen.
There's a huge hint on like theavatar studios website where on
their official timeline they saythat there are over 90 avatars
between the the eras of wan, butwhich is the first avatar, and
Yang Chen, which is the airavatar before Aang, like four

(08:08):
generations before Aang.
So in my head it was just like,okay, wan, then there's at
least 90 avatars between themthey don't really give a hard
number and then Yang Chen, andthen you can count the rest up
and maybe that leads to Korrabeing number 97.
It didn't really sit right withme.
It didn't make much sense.
I was just like it's kind ofweird that they didn't give us
like a hard number.
But then I realized, wait, theavatar cycle goes in sets of

(08:34):
four.
You know like there's always afire avatar, then there's an air
avatar, then there's a wateravatar and there's an earth
avatar.
The earth avatars are alwaysthe fourth one, so every 20th
avatar will always be an.
Earth avatar and I, you know, Icounted up from there and I was
just like so, yang Chen, theclosest past 90 plus 1 would be
94.
So Yang Chen has to be the 94thavatar, which means that Aang

(08:58):
would be the 98th avatar,meaning Korra is 99.
And whoever the Earth avatar ispast that point will be avatar
100, which seems prettysignificant.
You know like I feel like theyput that number into existence
on purpose, so I thought thatthat was a pretty cool like I
don't know.
It was like a light bulb in myhead while I was in the car.
It's like wait a minute youcould have pulled up his phone.

(09:19):
He said hey, sir, you rememberthis yeah, I pretty much did, so
that's pretty cool.
I almost want to make a shortvideo like exactly how many
avatars have there been, becauseI feel like I've figured it out
.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
And then the avatar studios are going to hit you up
and bring you on for the lore.
Wouldn't that be awesome, do it?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Hey, I would love it.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
You better take me with you.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'll take you, I'll take you down.
So let's see what else have webeen up to?
I've been watching a lot ofTwin Peaks, so oh dude.
Yeah, last episode we weretalking about what we're going
to be covering next week, whichis the Boy and the Heron, which
is Miyazaki's latest film, and Imentioned that it's David

(10:03):
Lynch-esque in the sense that,you know, it's way more
introspective than most ofMiyazaki's output.
It definitely requires multiplewatches to understand, but
ultimately it's more aboutfeeling than understanding.
And yeah, so I mentioned DavidLynch and that the very day that
we recorded that, david Lynchactually passed away, I guess

(10:23):
that night.
So that was passed away, Iguess that night.
So that was really just a weirdcoincidence and that was wild
it was wild and the internet'sstill reeling from it.
Like if you're on, like filmtwitter, everyone's been talking
about it for over a week, justlike how I guess huge this guy
was for the you know, the thefilm scene.
And yeah, he was one of myfavorite directors, just like

(10:44):
subcon like I don't even think.
And yeah, he was one of myfavorite directors, just like
subcontractors Like I don't eventhink that I would have named
him within my top directors.
But you know, going throughthat list of films that I've
seen of his and the shows thathe's been involved with, I've
you know, I realized like dude,this guy was like a crazy genius
, like none of his stuff makesany sense, but it's it you feel

(11:04):
it like, and it's their filmsthat will stick with you forever
.
And it's, you know, like you canwatch an action movie and
you're all you're like into it,for you know the entire length
of the movie, but as soon as youleave the theater, that was
nice, you know.
And then there's movies thatyou know you watch and then you
think about, like two years fromnow, like man, what happened?
Like why did that guy do that?
Like what was the purpose ofthis?

(11:25):
And david lynch is like that,so uh we covered one of his
movies we did.
We covered probably his mostmainstream or the the only like
mainstream attempt to create abig budget blockbuster, which
was dune.
I think he was pressured intothat after his success with
eraser head and the elephant man, he he started getting a name

(11:46):
for himself within the filmindustry so they pushed him into
that movie and I don't think itwas a good fit.
I don't think he did a bad jobwith it.
You know, like, considering thetime and you know his style, it
was a very unique rendition ofthe Dune book.
But what's cool about thatmovie is that you know, that's
how he got in touch with KyleMcLaughlin, the main actor who

(12:07):
plays Paul Atreides in thatmovie, who eventually went on to
star in his movie Blue Velvet,which is, you know, just a
fantastic mind trip, and ofcourse, Twin Peaks.
He's the main character in TwinPeaks, Agent Cooper, and yeah,
so I've been watching.
I watched the entirety of thefirst season of Twin Peaks.
Just phenomenal TV.
It's probably the mostaccessible of David Lynch's

(12:32):
output outside of Dune.
I would say it's probably moreaccessible than Dune even.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, Dune is a little bit on the trippier side
too.
I mean, dude, I rememberwatching that to cover it for
this episode, and I'm like man,I still feel like I don't know
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I know, I still haven't seen.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Twin Peaks and I actually really want to watch it
.
Is it available on any?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
streaming platform.
It's on Prime Video.
That's what I'm watching it onnow.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I need to get it to watch.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Absolutely fantastic series.
The first season is you know,it's often said that the
sopranos is the first trueprestige tv show.
But I think that the sopranoswouldn't exist if it weren't for
the serialized nature and scopeof twin peaks.
And, you know, even like thedirector of like sopranos and
stuff like that will say, likethat was like their biggest

(13:23):
influence or one of theirbiggest influences.
So, yeah, I was broken up aboutthat big time, just seeing the
outpouring of fans that lovethis stuff.
So, yeah, it sucks, but he putan awesome, huge mark on the
film landscape.
So, seeing the tributes fromSpielberg and Scorsese and all

(13:45):
those directors who are, for allintents and purposes, I think,
better directors in terms oflike, you know, being able to
craft like a completed story andjust like a fully functioning
narrative, they each basicallysuggest that like nobody will
ever do it quite like DavidLynch, because he was in my
opinion.
I think David Lynch was amadman, like I think he was

(14:07):
actually like a crazy person.
That was like he was eitherslated to be like an artistic
genius or a bum in the streetsof LA.
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Like there was no in between, Like he was that guy.
There was a fine line between.
Somewhere in his life he wentinto the direction of being he
got really lucky, he got reallylucky yeah, now he's giving me
this image of somebody with likewild hair that you know you're
like.
Oh, that's a director, but theylook like a bum.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, yeah I mean, if you, if you look up david lynch
, like that's him, he's got thewild Einstein hair.
He's awesome.
Yeah, I love that guy.
So yeah it sucks that we'renever going to get any more from
him, but yeah, he's done someamazing movies, even past Twin
Peaks.
He did Fire Walk With Me, hedid Blue Velvet, he did Lost

(14:59):
Highway.
Mulholland Drive is my favoriteof his movies, and there's more
that I haven't even seen.
So, yeah, it sucks, but theythey also like brought Twin
Peaks back for a third season 25years later, and it's the
craziest thing ever, because inthe original show you have the
character of Laura Palmerbasically saying I'll see you in
25 years.
And they actually did it.

(15:19):
They actually like brought backthe cast 25 years, like it's
the.
It's the trippiest thing everyeah yeah, no, it's, it's good
stuff.
It sucks that he died, but hedied pretty young.
He was in his 70s.
But yeah we move on, that's.
That's what I've been up tothis week.
Sorry, I I kind of abscondedwith this portion of that.
But rich what, what have youbeen up to, buddy?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
let's see.
Well, just quick, I'll uh sokind of piggybacking what you
were saying the next day at work.
See, jen, she's like, oh, yousee who died.
And I'm like, oh yeah, mrbaseball, you know, bob euchre.
Wait, what who?
I'm like we're not talkingabout the same person.
So the next day, when it was,you know, the news that lynch
had passed away came out.
It also came out that is he's apretty famous milwaukee's

(16:03):
Brewers play-by-play commentaryguy.
He was in the movie's majorleague.
If you've never even seen themovies, you may have seen
Charlie Sheen's throwing a pitchand you hear just a bit outside
, tried the corner and missedwhen Charlie Sheen walks, the
bases loaded on 12 straightpitches.
So he was there.
I knew him also from watchinghim.

(16:24):
He was like a guest ringannouncer and guest interviewer
for a couple of wrestlemaniasand he played a very goofy part.
So yeah, and he's been doingplay-by-play for them until
recently.
So they call him mr baseballbecause he was actually very
terrible at baseball, like.
So the joke is that he's doingcommentary.
He knows everything about thegame but he was actually really

(16:45):
bad at it.
So it's kind of a bummer tohear that he passed on, but you
know, he was 90, so lived a goodlife.
And then I, uh, I did the hardwork, sirs, I did the hard work
of dragon age veil guard.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Oh yo tell us about it finally put it.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I uh, so the I think I told you guys.
I think I told you guys lastweek that I was about to go
finish it.
So I got off played anotherhour and a half, then ended up
playing another three hours thenext day before it was actually
finished.
The last mission tells you thisis the last mission.

(17:20):
You cannot go back after thispoint.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
So I'm like all right , it does say that.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, and then you're a good four hours away like I
was a little frustrated, I won'tlie, not because I didn't enjoy
it, but it was just you, youknow this.
Like you know you're sittingthere, your wife wants to watch
something.
You know you're like I'm almostdone with it.
It's, it's almost done, I swear.
You know, like I.
I remember thinking the samething when I was playing red
Dead and an author dies.
You know I'm like, oh, it'sover, there, it goes.

(17:46):
I'm like, all right, babe, justgive me a minute.
They're wrapping up.
I'm going to hit the creditsright now and I'm like wait a
minute.
Epilogue what I got to make myown ranch.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
You know, like, oh, you know so, so wait, is there?
No, if you don't have fourhours left before that, like
final quest, can you save yourprogress anywhere and just like
come back to it later?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Oh, I mean of course.
But you know, that's not whatyou know Rich would do.
I was ready, you know.
You tell me it's the lastmission, like I'm ready to go,
it's the end for me.
So I was ready for the end, so Idid have to stop.
You know, of the uh cutsceneanimation.

(18:30):
I mean just the graphics aregreat, but the cutscene
animation with the uh they havelike basically dragons, it was
really cool and just kind of youknow it's it's definitely a
bioware game.
And then I don't know if you'veever played the mass effect
series, but you definitely havethis like hurtling towards the
end and you have to figure outwhere you're going to put your
friends.
So that they're they're safe asthe final battle emerges and if
you you, if you put the wrongperson in the wrong spot, you
risk losing them forever.
So I highly recommend it.
It's definitely a fun game,definitely a nice break from a

(18:54):
lot of the sandbox games I wasplaying.
This one is a little bit morerestrictive, but I think the
stories and the companion questsmake it really worthwhile.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Awesome man, Nice Shall we jump into our
discussion of the final fourepisodes of Skeleton Crew.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I think you are right .
So last week I mentioned thename of Jod as Jod-Na-Na-Heel,
but I think I was thinking ofNeil when I said that, because
it's not actually his name inthe show.
He calls himself Jod Na Nawud.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
But what's interesting is that he goes by
many names.
Like pretty much everywhere hegoes he picks up another name.
So no one.
We don't know if Jod isactually his real name, but it
might be.
It kind of feels like it is.
You know, he also goes byCrimson Jack Dash Zenton,
professor Umium Gor, crimsonjack dash zentin, professor

(19:48):
umium gorlocks.
That was, you know, like on thethe spa planet, the emissary in
the final two episodes, andthen jodwick zank.
Also there's mad captain silvo,so he's got like what?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
eight names and it's hard.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
We know of yes, he's basically anatar yeah that we
know of.
Yeah, exactly like if there wasother people, I'm sure that
they would also have like crazynames for him.
What did we think?
So last last week, rich and Ihad seen the final couple
episodes, but, anthony, you hadnot seen them at that point.
What are your thoughts nowabout jod versus?

(20:17):
You know, like having seen themas opposed to like what you had
said last week?

Speaker 1 (20:21):
right.
So jod definitely is like outfor himself.
You know he could have I don'tknow who his master was.
You know, like I mean he didsay that that they were hunted
down.
So I mean apparently so.
Like I mean he started off as ajedi, but we don't know, like

(20:41):
we don't know what he did, youknow, from that time up until
where we got him, you know, as apirate.
So he, I don't know, I feellike he very well could have
been a sith at some point, youknow, or a type of inquisitor,
because there is a little bit ofruthlessness there.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
You know, I mean like , yeah, he, he goes from kind of
this like enjoyable characterto this guy, like yo, this guy
sucks yeah, like he, he goesfrom, like you know, zero to a
hundred on like the pure villainscale really quickly, like as
soon as he takes control of thesituation and starts getting
what he wants and starts beingreally manipulative.

(21:22):
It's, it's pretty much just himin for himself right, right,
but the breadcrumbs are there.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Everybody was literally like don't trust this
guy.
Every single person.
The bounty hunter I forgot hername.
The owl character, kim kim,you're right.
So, like I mean, she was thesame way, like literally
everybody was saying that andyou know, I was thinking like,
okay, I didn't think that he wasgonna be like that ruthless
though, you know, yeah sowatching it a second time

(21:51):
through, I was looking out forany particular regret or you
know any, any redeemingqualities in jod and there's not
many.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
But he clearly does not want to harm the kids.
Watching it a second time it'sclear that that is never his
goal.
And even when there's a momentwhen one of the kids, kb, is
thought to be like dead orharmed, you know he kind of like
grimaces and he's just likedoesn't have to be this way.
You know, like he doesn't wantthe kids to be hurt, because I

(22:23):
think he has some empathy forthem.
He actually, you know, while heis kind of annoyed, you know,
by most of their, he's annoyedby them most of the time I think
he does care for them and nothe doesn't want to see them
physically harmed, which I guesswas, you know, apparent to me
on a second viewing.
But rich, did you get the sameread on that, or am?
I am jumping to conclusionsthere.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, I mean.
So one of the things I noticedwas, for example I don't know,
maybe just me, I mean probably alot of people the moment where
I felt most I guess quoteunquote betrayed by Jod was when
he yelled at the kids, likewhen he kind of takes control
back over and he cuts offSM-33's head and he's like you,

(23:06):
you know, you're incessantjabbering, jabbering, jabbering,
jabbering.
Like I thought the meanestthing he did was actually that
overall, I thought the entiretime there is that thread that
he doesn't want harm for them,and even even in the seed where
you know he takes out thesupervisor.
I don't know, I mean maybe I'vebeen I just finished watching
the prequel trilogy maybe I'mdesensitized to robot violence

(23:27):
because like that doesn'tterribly bother me altogether.
I didn't think that thesupervisor was a benevolent
being of any sort for the people, of that.
So at the end, like I think thathe's not altogether that
terrible.
I don't know if I could see himbeing an Inquisitor, like I
really do see him being morelike a jaded Padawan, you know,

(23:50):
somebody who kind of lost theirway and found their way with
pirates.
Like I don't think, andespecially because at that time,
like I'm thinking of like CalKestis, like trying to kind of
like stay quiet with your forcepower because nobody wanted to
kind of reveal themselves in atime where the inquisitors could
come after them.
But you know, I could see how,like his, his little quirky
abilities could help him liketurn turn the tide in certain

(24:12):
sticky situations.
That would make him good as apirate.
So I feel like there was just somany opportunities for him to
be worse yeah, I, I like, I likewhat you're saying there.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
So, behind the scenes , photos have dropped of an
unnamed Jedi female for SkeletonCrew and supposedly this was
like they had filmed a wholesequence of her and a young Jod
basically being mowed down byInquisitors.
So that was something that wasfilmed.
The actress's name is YasmeenAl-Masri.

(24:42):
The actress's name is YasmeenAl-Masri and she said in an
Instagram post that sheportrayed Jod's master in a
flashback scene that wasultimately omitted from the
final cut of the series.
She actually posted likepictures of her costume and
everything and it actually looksreally cool.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
But why do we do this stuff?
I don't understand.
I know, like Disney, you're noteven competing with anybody
Like, stop making our episodesshort.
You know what If you're noteven competing?
with anybody Like, stop makingour episodes short.
You know what?
If you're going to erase mybooks, okay, listen.
Okay, I'm very upset that theLady Luck all right, lando
Calrissian's luxury all rightship is no longer a real thing,

(25:19):
all right.
And if you're going to dothings like that, erase things
like the Lady Luck fromexistence, then give us the
backstory.
I mean, now we're going to haveto wait to decide if Disney's
like well, is it worth doinganother series for us to
possibly even know and then eventhen, John's might even be
there.
There's going to be another, Idon't know why there'll?
Be another skeleton crew.
It'd be like home alone too,Like I guess we did it again.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
you know we found another treasure planet but yeah
, that that I was thinking thatsame thing, that I just wish
that they had kind of elaborateda little bit more on that
because I mean to be honest,like jod is still largely a
mystery.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
We, yeah, nobody really we don't even know his
full name.
We don't know his true name.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, we don't even know if his name really is jod,
you know.
We just know that he has somesort of force sensitivity, some
sort of jedi training.
But like nothing about his past, I really do wish that they
would have shown that sequence.
That actually would have been areally good cold open.
That would have been cool.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, yeah, and then.
And then cut to like silvo as apirate.
Yeah, yeah, I think that wouldactually be pretty sweet.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah him kind of like you know that, like grizzled
kind of look that he has on hisface, you know, with the kids
annoying him in the background.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, yeah, that would have been really cool.
Yeah, that actually would havebeen really cool.
So another thing that I noticedthat I really liked just the
small gestures that he makes inthe final episode.
When he realizes that he's beat, he almost kind of like smirks
a little bit, he gives a littlelike all right, okay, almost as

(26:52):
though he's proud of the kids.
And when he sees he's watchingthe giant pirate freighter crash
into the planet, he does smirkagain and you could tell that
he's proud of the kids, for youknow beating him at his own game
.
Hell, that he's proud of thekids, for you know beating him
at his own game, you know it's,it's a weird sort of like, it's
a weird sort of pride that hedevelops for these kids that he
basically returned safelysomehow I mean, but then there's

(27:15):
a whole.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
There's also the whole notion that he was about
to enslave a whole planet tomake those dataries for him oh,
I know, I know yeah, there'sthat whole he's not a great guy.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I'm not.
I'm not advocating for that,but I don't think he's
irredeemable is what I'm tryingto suggest, I mean yeah, I don't
know, maybe, maybe, but maybeenslaving an entire planet is is
kind of how, how is that reallychanging their current
situation?
That's a good point.
Yeah, because they currentlyare already a slave to the
machine.
Literally, they're a slave tothe machine.

(27:46):
They're forgotten worlds Likethe New Republic doesn't even
know they exist anymore.
Let's talk a little bit aboutAt-At and like what the heck?
It is right.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Very different than you know At-Akron Ohio.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's very different from Ohio, at least.
It's interesting because theytell us that at Akron, at Akron,
at Atten, was one of the jewelsof the Republic.
It's been supposedly, you know,lost.
I mean, according to Jod, whenhe's talking to the pirates, he
says something along the linesof like it's been a myth or a

(28:20):
legend for centuries, you know,like it's been hiding behind
this thing, this facade, forcenturies.
So that kind of makes me think,okay, so centuries, multiple
hundred year periods.
It could have been likesomething created in the, the,
the high republic era.
And you know that that linkthat we had last week, where you
know they were talking aboutthe great work you know, like

(28:40):
that they were involved with,that could have something to do
with the great works of the highrepublic era that you know
could have culminated insomething like this, like
treasury, a mint, literally.
It's a, a planet thats solepurpose is to mint all the
public points.
I think that that's, that'skind of neat.
But then we find out that theseplanets later were mostly

(29:03):
systematically destroyed,according to the Owl Lady Kim,
and it's possible that it wasthose eight planets that you
know like one of the planets atAkron could have potentially
been one of those mints orsomething similar to it that was
destroyed systematically forsome unknown reason.
But again, I'm jumping toconclusions here based on
everything that we know and thenyou know, finally, we, we

(29:25):
understand that this existed aspart of the republic and as part
of the republic consciousness.
Someone in the republic wasstill in communication with ad
atin at the time of order 66,which is when the final message
they received from the republichappens and they, they found out
that the Jedi were traitors.
So for at least, if this is 9ABY, you know what, 28 years

(29:49):
have passed, 29 years sinceOrder 66.
So there's been no outsidecommunication with the Republic.
So most of the people workingon Ad Atten have no
understanding of what theoutside world, or you know, like
any of that, is.
It's kind of, it's kind of acool anomaly within star wars,
like most of those people whenthey destroyed the barrier had
never seen stars before it'slike a whole truman show thing

(30:12):
going on, except they weren'tbeing watched they were being
watched by the supervisor that'strue, that's true

Speaker 3 (30:17):
yeah, it's disturbing to think, I mean, obviously,
like we, we constantly kind ofsee even the good guy's side,
you know, from a a differentpoint of view.
But I think this idea of thisplanet, that is, I mean that the
children are indoctrinated andtaught to not know what is

(30:37):
happening outside, is, I mean,it's almost I don't call it
worse than sleep.
So I mean slavery is awful,right, but this is like slavery
with mind control, right.
I mean this is.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
But like how much?
How much do the parents know,you know?
Like how much do they knowabout the outside world?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
we do, know that they know.
At one point fern was sayingsomething along the lines of you
know how it was on the outside,and her mom was like you know,
you guys weren't supposed tohave to learn about this stuff
until you graduated so it's likeI guess once they get, let's
say they turn 18.

(31:16):
But I don't get the idea thatit's like you know, whereas the
amish with the romspringer likeall right, here's the outside
world, go experience that youcan come back here, it seems
like all the adults, at leastI'm reading it this way.
So, to be fair, like this isn't100 percent detailed, but I get
the feeling that once theadults find out, they still
dedicate themselves to the greatwork where it's not like some

(31:36):
adults go leave the planet.
I don't think that's an option.
There's no, there seems to beno off-planet transport.
They know of no off-planettransport.
Right, they're all surprisedthat there's a ship on, on, at,
at, and to begin with, so yeahyou have to figure that for at
least.
Let's say since order 66 atleast, that 28 years or so there

(31:59):
they have also continued tokind of willfully live in
ignorance so what?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
what's actually interesting?
As you were describing thatlike that willful ignorance that
you know, essentially likelying by omission to your kids
until they're of a certain age.
It reminds me of m nightShyamalan's the village.
I don't know if you guys haveever seen the Village.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, I think I had seen it with you when we were
young.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, I love that movie, but the basic premise is
you know what I don't want to?
Just in case anyone hasn't seenit.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Oh, come on, I don't want to spoil it.
No go, okay, all right, allright, all right, all right.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
So in the village you have I'm not going to give all
of the spoilers, but I will saythat you know it's a secluded
village, literally in the woods.
It's very like 1800s-ish attireand you know like their
lifestyle is a little dated butevery night they, you know, have

(32:59):
to go indoors or else you knowlike there's the potential for
like these, like creatures,these monsters in red cloaks, to
come out and, you know,potentially kill you or kill
your livestock and you know,it's.
It's scary.
At first You're like what arethese?
Like crazy monsters?
And then you find out laterthat it was, you know, basically
the parents in costumes, andthey have have been.

(33:19):
You know, just to keep themaway from the real worlds, like
the real world monsters outthere, they've created fake
monsters to keep their familiessafe, you know, and this is
something that eventually theywill have to impart to their,
the next generation of kids, sothat their community can
continue thriving.
And I guess it kind of, yeah,what you were saying about at,

(33:41):
at, and about the economic andsocietal structure.
It does seem a little bit likethat to a degree.
Maybe it's not like a safetymeasure, maybe it is, I don't
know.
Maybe, yeah, but the parents,they don't seem to.
I don't know if it's likethey're fearful of the outside
galaxy or they physically cannotgo there anyway, like, what's
the point?

(34:01):
You know, I don't know it's,it's a.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
It's an interesting parallel, though yeah, and you
know, now that I think about it,like you know, we get a look at
the vault and there's so manylike credits in there.
Dude, it's, there's, it's somuch, which means that, like and
there was like 1 800 of thosevaults, like on the planet, like
filled and which made me thinkthat, like I don't think that

(34:25):
any of these credits wereleaving for like way more than
those, like 20 something yearsthat's yeah, that's very
possible so you know, when youkind of said something about the
high republic, because itdoesn't make sense to me for
there to have been value,because, like, when the pirates
saw those old credits, they'relike, oh my gosh, this is like,

(34:45):
this can't be.
There's no way that they weretalking about the credits that
were like 20 something years old.
Like you know, somethingdoesn't really should.
This is gaining that much value, but something that's worth
hundreds of years old, that youhaven't seen for so long, or
that, or you haven't been aroundto see at all.
Now that's a treasure and ifthere's a lot of it, then yeah,
you're going to be making money.

(35:05):
So I think that those were highrepublic credits.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
But if like could be.
It could be, yeah, if, if ournew president decides to start
minting new money with differentpeople on it, you know, in 20
years, you know, someone goeswhoa, is that a lincoln?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I haven't seen.
You know it's not a two dollarbill.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
You know, is that a burr?
I haven't seen a burn forever.
I don't know.
Maybe it's like one of thosethings, because the emperor is
definitely egotistical enoughthat the minute that they became
the first galactic empire, hechanged currency to have, like
you know, his decrepit hand withlightning shooting out of it,

(35:47):
you know, and then they kind ofsaid that new republic because
they're no, I think that theydid.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
I'm pretty sure that they did change them, but the
way that they got excited wasit's like like a doubloon.
It was like a doubloon right,exactly like that yeah, it was
more like I'd be more excited tofind pirate treasure than to
find you know a dollar bill fromfrom 1912, you know like look

(36:14):
at this.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Susan b anthony, I just found this.
Yeah, exactly, I got the secondjoeya here, baby.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
That's essentially like what it kind of was.
I think that Dakota was kind ofon track.
I mean, whether we could beright, we could be wrong, but I
think that those credits are alot older than the fall of the
Republic as it stood.
Okay, because you said thewhole Great Works thing and then
that was mentioned in the HighRepublic books.
They't say anything about thegreat works and and anything in

(36:43):
the high republic they do so.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Another potential clue I don't know if this is
like pro or against the you knowlike these are ancient doubloon
type coins, is that jod, Ithink, once or twice mentions
that they're old credits butthey look like new.
You know, like they're newlyminted old credits, so it could
just be that they haven't seenyou know fresh credits like this

(37:09):
, you know, in their lifetime.
You know, but yeah, I, I dolike.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
I do like the idea that this was these are, you
know, credits that predate theirlifespans by by you know,
centuries, potentially it's kindof cool because it really would
kind of follow that narrativeof like a treasure, you know, I
mean you never really think of.
You know, like, when somebodythinks about, like you know, a
whole bunch of money, you knowand a bank vault, they're not

(37:34):
calling that a treasure, they'rejust calling that maybe a loot
or something like that.
You know, if they go to likebreak into it, that that's like
a loot, it's not a treasure.
But like they're seeing theseold, they're looking at these
old credits, like they're likeyeah, like somebody's paying
with doubloons, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
And also what's actually.
You know you might be ontosomething, anthony, because they
open up the in the very firstepisode with.
You know, like Brutus and rudisand silvo, they commandeer that
ship that supposedly has coinson it, or like a treasury, and
they only find one credit, and Ithink it's a.
It's a republic credit, but ithad a different shape than the

(38:09):
one.
I mean it could be new republiccredit, I don't know, but it
had a different shape for sure,than the long rectangle ones
that the kids are, you know,flashing around.
So, yeah, you might, you mightbe onto something there.
I think that's a pretty cooltheory.
Let's talk a little bit aboutthe kids, though, because they
go on quite the journey.
In these eight episodes, andespecially these last four, what
do you feel, or who do you guysfeel like I guess had the best

(38:31):
arc?
You know, not just in thesefour episodes, but like the
entire series, like where, wheredo you guys rank these
characters?
Now that you've seen their fullstory?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I'll start with you, anthony I really like fern and
kb.
I really just I feel like theircharacters are strong, they go
through a lot and I feel likethere's a lot that's learned,
even with, like neil.
I really feel like neil goesthrough a lot of like a whole
like learning process and hereally like faces his fears.
You know, I like all of thembut, like to me, I feel like out

(39:02):
of all of them, whims was theweakest.
I felt like his growth and hisstoryline was the weakest out of
all of them.
I felt like he had minimalgrowth.
He had maybe a little bit, buthe still was, you know, kind of
whimsical and wanted thisadventure and was upset that the
adventure didn't really becomewhat he wanted.
But, like you know, I mean he'sand then this adventure and was
upset that the adventure didn'treally become what he wanted.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
But, like you know, I mean he's, and then he was, and
then he was all moody that itwas coming to an end.
Right, right and like the kids.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
You know the rest of the kids, it seemed like they
all really like had a plan forthe things that they wanted to
do.
You know whim, you know he kindof stepped it up a little bit
at the ends but I still feellike his growth was the weakest.
So if I, if I had to it's hardbecause I feel like fern and kb
like really really have likestrong growth.

(39:51):
I mean maybe I would say maybefern a little bit, because kb
was already a little bit of astronger character and had maybe
a little bit more maturity.
So maybe fern, kb, neil thanwhim okay, all right, all right
rich.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
What do you think?
Man overall character growth.
How do you rank them?

Speaker 3 (40:09):
it's, almost I mean it's tough I hate to, uh, to
bring this into it, you know,but as a teacher and a lifelong
man child, I I will also saythat it's almost unfair to
compare the character growth ofchildren to boys, to girls, even
the same age, you know, even ifthey're exactly, even if we we
assume, right.
But even if we just know thatthey're all the same age, it's

(40:30):
almost like listen, I teach highschool boys, I teach seniors,
right, a lot of the same stuff.
But anyway I would have to sayif you're gonna go with growth,
it's gonna have to be KB for meoverall, then it's I guess it
ends up being Fern, just becauseyou know, neil's growth kind of
gets like stunted.
It's like he grew and I thinkwhen he met like Haina, like

(40:54):
that's a lot for him there,right, that was his big, like
growth spurt and then he kind ofjust like leveled off a little
bit where whim just became likeat least like more coordinated
right, like you know this, atthe end it's like his big moment
is that he holds the saber upthe right way, like all of them
have, like something theyovercome and his thing?
is his like like split screenmoment, is it's like oh, last

(41:17):
time he dropped the lightsaber,this time he's holding it the
right way.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
You know, and I was, which was a cool shot, by the
way.
You know like it was it feltyeah you know, like he finally
earned that moment of heroism.
But yeah, no, I I'm with youguys.
So I'm, I'm in the same boatwhere I think kb is probably my
favorite and then neil and fernare tied there.
But what I will say about whimyou know, on on a rewatch is

(41:43):
that I feel like he enters thisstory.
Like you said, anthonywhimsical, he's looking for his
storybook adventure yeah hedoesn't necessarily get that.
He gets embroiled in a you knowa plot with pirates.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
He gets kidnapped, he gets sent all over the galaxy
and it's scary, you know,there's people who are ready to
kill him at every turn yeah, hegot the short end of that of
that adventure stick because,like honestly, at the end of the
day, not even us adults havethat kind of thing going on in
our lives but he definitely wasa huge helping hand in saving

(42:17):
the day.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
What I love is that these kids grew to a point that
even their parents could notemulate in a moment of truth.
Basically, as soon as the powerwent off, all the kids realized
we need to do something.
This is not good.
Fern is in trouble.
And KB, neil, kb and Neil firstoff.
They immediately race off toWim's house, tell him to get on
a speeder bike and go.
And all three of them, you knowthey immediately race off to

(42:39):
Wim's house, tell him to get ona speeder bike and go.
And all three of them, you knowthey have no reservations about
doing the right thing at thatpoint.
And I think that that's supercool because they each have
gotten to that point where, like, those limitations of like
helping even though you coulddie potentially, are no longer a
stumbling block to them, are nolonger a stumbling block to

(43:03):
them.
So I I do think that whim didgrow, especially, you know, in
the eyes of his father, which iskind of important because the
father like in the the firstepisode he was kind of a jerk to
him like, yeah, isn't it timefor you to grow up, buddy, come
on like, and then, yeah, hisfather was taking, you know,
orders from his son at thatpoint, because the, the son was,
you know, telling him like, oh,no, trust, just follow us and
we'll, we'll get there, and youknow, like it.

(43:24):
I thought that that was a cool.
In respect to their familydynamics, I think whim had the
strongest oh, maybe not, maybe,fern, but anyway, like women,
fern, they they probably had thestrongest in terms of, like,
getting their family on boardand, you know, changing their
perspectives on them as people,yeah, like the parents

(43:45):
perspective of them.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
So, anyway, I, I'm going off no, no, no, I like you
know, I like how, like whatyou're saying, that you know.
As far as the family dynamic,relationship with their parents,
I do believe that that Fern andWim, that growth was definitely
, it was like the strongest whenit came to that dynamic.

(44:06):
But for personal growth, andthe reason why I put Fern Over
KB Is because KB was already astrong, kind of mature
individual.
So I felt like Fern's growthWas big because she kind of had
to get over herself, whereas oh,I like katie really didn't have
to.
She was already, you know she,she was already really willing

(44:29):
to do whatever needed to be done.
You know, you see, so at theends with the, with the ship and
so, but yeah, the whole familydynamic, I agree, I really did
like the, the growth betweenwhim and his father and fern and
her mother, and I like that hisfather like joined them on the
whole speeder bike thing.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
You know which was it was insane.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
I like it when they make that jump and he's like yo
you see that that was really

Speaker 2 (44:54):
cool and whim's.
Like dad.
You're embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
He's like look it's no time for that, let's go, but
yeah what I will say.
What I will say about kb she ismy favorite, though she is.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
She is kb is my favorite she's so cool, she's,
so, she's, she's, yeah, she's abadass.
But what I will say about hergrowth?
like her arc, she starts off asthis very capable, I can do
anything sort of you know younggirl, especially because she has
this, you know uh, cyberneticimplant that allows her to just
kind of it augments her realityyou know, but what's fascinating

(45:28):
and I think it's episode fiveor six, I think it's episode six
where you know that the kidsare trying to reclaim their ship
on the, the spa planet and kbhas this inner turmoil, you know
where, like she doesn't want tosay no to fern because, you
know, fern is her best and onlyfriend and she feels, like, you

(45:52):
know, there are things that shecannot do, but she's lived her
entire, you know, like, as faras we know, like their entire
friendship has been Fern, daringher to do something and then
she's able to do it.
But there's certain things thatshe can't do and Fern, you know
Fern, doesn't realize that she'snot invincible and I think that
character growth and thatunderstanding and like being

(46:12):
able to vocalize that to othersis, you know, like,
understanding your limitations,is a huge you feat for anyone,
because some of us think thatwe're beyond limits, you know,
and yeah that.
That one scene, dude, where youknow she, my favorite scene in
the entire, the entire series iswhen her that I forget what

(46:33):
what part it is, but like she,she has to take that cylinder
out of the back of her head oh,she's like crashing out.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, it was the moment with her and whim, her
whim, separate from fern andneil just because they're
they're like, you know, like oneside thinks they're right about
getting the ship and then theother side, when you know, wants
to follow those like trashcrabs when they're really
actually like trash hermit crabs, but um yeah but yeah, like she
, she's kind of crashing outbecause of that cylinder and she

(47:04):
has to kind of like run whimthrough how to like do it?

Speaker 2 (47:08):
yeah, and it's such a powerful scene because, like
you know, also like great actingon both of their parts, these
are, these are two child actors.
You know it amazed me.
I was like on the verge oftears the first time I watched
that scene and, you know,eventually, like kb, you know,
took her breath and like she wasable to like get up you got
like a, she got like a secondwind there.

(47:29):
You said, she like popped rightup she's like all right, it's
like a new battery dude likeseriously like that was crazy
but it was.
It was fantastic acting, it wasfantastic scene and it was a.
It was a great opportunity fortwo characters that don't
necessarily interact that oftento interact yeah, yeah, like
it's usually.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah, you know, I did like that pairing off because
it's usually women neil and kband fern, so there there was
definitely like a.
They developed more of afriendship between those you
know separate groups.
I felt like that made thatgroup stronger as a core because
, like both they got to knoweach other, you know, and yeah,

(48:07):
no, I agree, I think that waslike really cool and it was
almost like opposites in a way.
You know, like Fern is thislike very like strong.
You know, go get them, let's go.
And then Neil, very just, naiveand scared of everything.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
he's willing to say sorry for everything I love that
.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Yeah, why don't you?
Just say sorry no, no, I agree.
And that that scene of themgetting the the ship back
because it was getting sent tothe junkyard, that was a really
cool scene oh and and like thewhole demolition button.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, we're like they , they basically get a whole new
ship underneath their ship.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Sick, I love it it was like a camouflage in a sense
, because we find out what thatship is yeah, yeah, yeah, really
really cool rich.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Do you have any particular favorite scenes from
the series?

Speaker 3 (48:54):
I mean, yeah, the the scene between women and kb was
definitely an awesome one.
I mean, you know, there's apart of me I was like, wow, is
that that canister is reallyresistant to heat?
That he's like, it's just.
But you know, oh yeah, I knowhe was able to like hold, just
accepted, just accepted to moveon, just accepted, there's,
there's a, there's another thinglike in the show not to like.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
I'll let you get back to your point, but like.
There's another like physicsbreaking thing thing that just
bothers me so much.
When Jad is in the Mint and hetouches one of these credits and
they all have this floatyaspect where they all fall like
dominoes.
No, this cannot possibly happen.
The way that they're sitting,they're flat.
This doesn't work.
Do that on anything A milliontimes, you'll never get that

(49:39):
effect ever dakota.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
And and you know what I loved about that scene is
that, like that's the type ofscene that you would only see in
like a movie or a tv show.
Like that, you know, like withkids and you know, like pirates
you would only see it and like Ithink that that camp is, like
it, kind of added to that.
Also, a scene that I reallyliked and it gave me heavy,

(50:01):
heavy goonies vibes was whenthey went to captain renid's uh
layer yes, yeah, that was cool,it it felt so much so like when
they get to the ship at the endsof the goonies and they're like
exploring the ship and they gointo the captain's quarters and
all stuff, like it really hadthat vibe and I'm like man, like
this is, it was really fun,like that last bit of the the

(50:24):
season.
Really I feel like the showchanges a lot, but like not in a
bad way, in a good way, like it.
It grows with the charactersyeah, rich, sorry, let's.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Let's get back to your favorite scenes.
You're mentioning that thecanister should have been too
hot for whim to handle, but likeit must have been a very
insulated cylinder yeah, I mean,it definitely wasn't, you know,
silver or something like that.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
The alloys has been one of the alloys.
I uh, let me see.
I mean you guys mentioned anumber of them that I liked, so
let me just try to picksomething out that's maybe
slightly different, even thoughI haven't seen it.
They kind of like, when they'reon the speeder bikes and the
way the music's going, I gotmyself like I felt myself
getting a little excited again,even though I knew exactly what

(51:07):
was about to happen sure, yeah,you know which?

Speaker 2 (51:10):
it's an exciting final episode.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
You know it's, you know that's there aren't.
You know they're obviously morein like lord of the rings and
star wars, but there there arecertain sequences that, no
matter how many times I see them, even if I know what the
outcome is, I still get excited.
And so far, on my second,second watch of this, I feel the
same way.
So that's pretty cool, and I'mnot sure let me see if there's

(51:32):
another one.
I I did, like you know it'sweird.
So in the scene where theypress the button, they had just
come back together, right, andthere was a little bit like of
kb kind of saying that shehadn't felt like she could tell
fern.
No, essentially right yeah andshe goes.
He said to never, ever, everpress that button.

(51:55):
Fern, right, and fern's likeyeah, but anyway, and it works
right.
But there was a part of me thatwas like y'all just were
fighting like two minutes ago,fern, like you don't want to
listen to kb's input, like maybeyou really shouldn't push that
button, uh you know, I mean.
But again, I think it justreflects for me a lot of the

(52:16):
nice foreshadowing that they do,just even the mystery of
whether jod really is a Jedi,and that can have.
I remember when Fern mentionedhim using magnets Right, then I
was like paying attention to him, was it?
Oh, is it only metal stuff?
Right, like they did that, thebutton obviously being something
that was going to kind of comeforward at some point later on.

(52:37):
I thought I liked thatforeshadowing and then I guess
for just another scene, that, Iguess, is weird, but the I don't
remember his name.
Oh, I think it's gunther the yes, right.
Yeah the pirate, yeah thepirate.
I just liked him sitting on thebridge, just kind of like I'm
going down it was kind of likeit was almost like this idea,

(52:58):
like I'm never gonna be in thisposition again, like, like, this
is my top, like I I amcurrently the standing captain
on this bridge and damned if Irun away from this position and
I, uh, I kind of admire him forit yeah, I respect that.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I respect that.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
That's what happened to steve urkel.
After he left the show hebecame a pirate you know life,
like family matters, got hard.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
So did you guys have a favorite episode?
I, I will say that, like me, Iwas surprised because I liked
pretty much every episode, but Iloved the finale because
basically everything that thekids learned they ended up using
.
We have KB piloting the ship sothat they can get help from

(53:41):
their new republic friends, andkim.
We have neil, who was, you know, he never learned like actual
combat training, but he didhappen to figure out how to fire
like an actual, like turretcannon, so that was like hugely
helpful at defending them andeverything that they learned
across even like whim like what?
the correct position of alightsaber?
Everything everything workedout to a degree where you know

(54:05):
like everything they learnedover the past seven episodes
came together finally in thisfinale and I loved it yeah, and
I think that I felt like thefinale was it was both episode
seven and eight, like it wasalmost like a two-parter you
know, yeah, it definitely was,and no, I, I totally agree and I
really thought it was cool whenwe got to see the barrier like

(54:28):
what it really was and that itwas like a it's like a perpetual
storm and that it was.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I thought it was insane that, like the planet was
like in the middle of this hugespace and that the barrier was
like around it.
Like I didn't realize that thebarrier wasn't super, super
close to the planet.
There was a lot of spacebetween the planet.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
The planet was actually pretty tiny compared to
, like the gas giant.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
That they had to pass through.
Huge.
The thing was massive yeah, Iloved it.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
all the little aspects of this show, like you
were saying, anthony, like withthe renald's lair being very
gooniesish, like all the boobytraps that they had to, you know
, maneuver through the acid pool.
I love all that stuff and therewere some like really clever
booby traps, like the one that,like you know, removes the
gravity and like sends you upinto those spikes.

(55:18):
It's like the opposite of likea pit in the ground.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
You know it's a pit in the sky.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
I like that kind of stuff.
There were so many greatcreatures throughout the show.
I loved that.
Catholops in the spa episode,like the the giant, like squid
dude not, not cthulhu, his nameis catholop dude I.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
I liked how kind of like chill he was.
Like they're like, oh my god,they need help.
They go in and they're justlike telling him their story.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
They're telling and he's just like yeah great story,
great tale.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
What about that giant trash crab?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
oh yeah, animation was kind of different right so
it was stop motion.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
It was right, I, I thought it looked like a stop
motion, like kind kind of.
It was almost like a like oldschool Godzilla type of
animation.
You know that stop motion.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah, so if you go online and look up like the
trash crab stop motion thing,you'll see footage of like them
like doing the stop motion forthis thing and it's.
It's so cool becauseeverything's done in CGI
nowadays and I feel like we'regetting to that point where like
things are going to startgetting done with like cgi plus
ai and it's just like we'relosing that craft.
So seeing them just inject thiscraft right back into it, like

(56:30):
creating a stop motion physicalmonster for this it was all of
like a five minute scene if that.
Yeah, it wasn't even fiveminutes.
Yeah, it was a very short-livedstop motion thing, but it was
so cool and it you know, itprobably didn't save them any
money, like it probably wouldhave been a lot cheaper to do
cgi, but it looked cool yeah,like you could tell that it was

(56:51):
a unique scene.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
So I was like, hmm, I said that's definitely not cg
yeah, good eye good eye.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Do we have anything else we want to talk about on
this one?
Are we?
Are we coming to an end?

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I just really hope that this is something that I
really hope they start to kindof plan projects in a way that
are and I know this sounds Imean I don't, it's not my money,
right, so they're never goingto listen to me but just plan it
out Like, okay, we're going tomake this two, three seasons,
you know whatever.
Or if you're gonna do a one-off, just say it's gonna be a

(57:31):
one-off and I'm fine with, I'mfine with them doing a short,
like I know I don't want to getinto an argument.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Dakota, I'm sorry I I liked kenobi.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
All right, like I actually like it as a small
thing, I, I just like it, it's,it's it, it's you're.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
I have no problems with you liking Kenobi dude Stop
stop browbeating me about this.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
I know you don't like Kenobi All right.
You're like the sister who'sjust so hell bent on killing
Anakin All right, it's just.
I don't mind there beingsomething.
That's just going to be aone-off and that's cool with me.
But I also want to know thatthings are going to be three
seasons and that it's notdependent on the first season

(58:06):
success, because yes, like we'vetalked about prestige
television.
there are times where that firstseason doesn't hit as it's on
tv and then, as it starts to getinto that second or third
season, people really startgetting into it.
So you know, like I want tohave one series that's going to
be six seasons and I just wantto know that you're going to do

(58:27):
that.
You know, and I'll invest thenext 10 years of my life to
waiting for that series to endand it'll probably end like a
wet fart, like Game of Thrones.
But whatever, You'll have mefor 10 years.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Here, here, I love it .
Yeah, no, I, I, that would beawesome.
I would, I'm, I'm all here forit.
I do think that we are going tobe getting more serialized Star
Wars contents on the on the bigand small screen, especially
with the Mandalorian and Grogumovie that's coming out.
You know, linking into theworld of the Mandoverse, which
technically this show is linkedto it.

(59:01):
We have we have one of thepirates that showed up in mando
season three popping up in thisshow.
I think he was also in bobafett.
I might be wrong there, butanyway, yeah, he's a recurring
character like yellow, like ayellow guy right with like horns
.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Yes, yeah, okay, yeah so it's the same.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
It's the same pirate.
I forget what his name is, I'lllook it up later, but yeah, it
is kind of all connected to that.
So in a way we are gettingserialized television on, kind
of like a multiverse Not amultiverse, but like a universe
level.
I would like to see Mandalorianlike more of just you know,
like normal Mandalorian.

(59:39):
I don't need anything, any hugestories or anything like that,
but just him and Grogu likegoing on crazy adventures every
week is fun.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
I love that.
That's.
It's simple.
We need we need more of that.
Yeah, um, so I'm on board didit.
You know it's a thing like look, smallville ran for years and
it was just like, hey, there's anew freak that was discovered
that had, you know, got some ofthe kryptonite and look what
they can do that first, thatfirst season of small vote is
that is like a hard rewatch forme.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I mean, I I have such fond memories of all of those
episodes separately, butwatching them back to back to
back is is so difficult becauseit's literally monster of the
week, it's freak of the weekyeah, and I think I think they
actually make that joke in theshow.
I think Chloe does mention, Ithink she does, yeah, so, yeah,

(01:00:28):
anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
But yeah.
So the last thoughts onSkeleton Crew.
I really enjoy it.
I really do hope that we getmore out of it, if not a second
season, something you know, anovel or whatever that I mean I
don't know about.
Like the kids, I feel like thekids are kind of like situated
well, but like I want tounderstand more about the

(01:00:49):
backstory of jod, like I want toknow how he got to where he got
.
Like I want to, I want to getthat young jod where you know
the whole order 66 thing happensand stuff.
I want to.
You know I either see it on theshow or read it in a novel,
something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Okay.
So here's.
Here's an interesting questionfor you guys Would you rather a
skeleton crew season twofollowing those four kids, or a
skeleton, a skeleton crew seasontwo following Jod, as he's
broken out of another prison andhe has to.
You know he's he's on thesearch for some other treasure.
I think it would be fun.
Yeah, I think it has to be john.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I look, I mean they, like the kids, are the kids, you
know.
But you know they're probablygonna go back to school and it's
gonna, they're gonna be hardassessment yeah, you know
they're gonna have some crazywhat are they gonna go down to
the max and have some burgers?
I don't know I think it's, it'sjohn or you know, because star

(01:01:48):
wars always does this.
Oh, you know what that reallyworked and we had a really
interesting character, so, butwe really missed it and we
really should have told hisbackstory too.
So we're gonna go back and dothat now, so they could always
do like a flashback series ofJod's previous how he got to
where he is, because I don'tknow if his prospects going
forward are especially fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Hey, people have definitely broken out of New
Republic prisons in the past.
So it's not unheard of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
There's a whole episode of the Mandalorian in
season one.
No, they're just going to do itlike Lost style, where it's
like him, modern day, butthere's going to be just
thousands of flashbacks.
I love it, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yeah, that's cool.
What was I going to say?
I had something to say.
It's totally Lost.
But yeah, I really enjoy thisshow.
I really think that it was justincreasingly like more and more
charming every single week andthen by the end I was fully on
the edge of my seat, fullyinvested, blood was pumping,
could not wait to see whathappened next.
And it was just adventure.

(01:02:52):
You know it's, it's a pureadventure.
Oh, I was gonna say uh, youmentioned like flashback series
to jod as a young kid and itreminded me of the young indiana
jones, but like young john,young jodd na na wood, you know
the young jodd na na woodadventures I would love that
with like a younger owl, likeyou know, like yeah, involved
somehow, like oh, yeah, man,that, like that, that, that one

(01:03:16):
alien, that kind of doublecrossed him with the white skin
and the white hair yeah, forgether name.
Yeah.
So, uh, anthony, you loved it,I loved it rich uh.
What are your final thoughts onthe first season of skeleton
crew?

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
I loved it.
I really think that this is oneof the best entry points into
the star wars universe withoutoverburdening them, without,
like I had to create apowerpoint presentation to
explain the background ofrevenge of the sith.
I mean, I know it's, it's thethird one, so you know that's
part of it.
But I think even with a lot ofthe movies right, you kind of

(01:03:51):
have to give people a littlebackstory.
I think this is a great entrypoint into star wars.
I think it really captures thefun, like even when we're
talking about jod being kind ofevil, right, it's never like you
know he's not keeping someoneat the bottom of a hole in their
house and passing them lotion,you know like silence of the

(01:04:13):
lambs right, you know, like it'snot, we don't that level yeah,
we, we have very like goonieslevel evil, right, but not not
terrible.
I mean it's fun, it's reallystill accessible for kids, right
, in a way that I think some ofthe stuff that's been coming out
isn't you know.
I mean I let my son watch allof it.
I don't care, because I'm likeit's star wars, it's history,

(01:04:36):
history's messy history's messybuddy.
Get used to the real world, youknow.
But yeah, I I know that thereare some parents who don't want
to do that because of some ofthose stories are heavy.
I like that.
This is a fun entry point foreverybody.
So that's why I do want to seeI don't know if I need to see a
continuation, but just somethingthat kind of carries this fun
spirit.

(01:04:56):
You know this torch, yeah thisendor spirit a little bit, this
zaniness, this okay, you know,don't give me something like
Star Wars Resistance okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Like oh, we're going to make a cartoon, you know.
And then just like, completelybotch it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
I'm going to say something that might be
offensive on this show, but ittook me a long time to go back
and watch the Star Wars cartoonsand I ended up loving them.
But I remember it was like mybrain kept going like this isn't
Star Wars, like it's justthat's what my brain was doing,
over and over again, and it tookme a while to finally overcome
it.
And then, once I got into it,you know, then when, like Bad

(01:05:31):
Batch came out, I was like superexcited.
But I know that that's also apoint of contention, for there's
like a portion, I think, ofStar Wars fans who are like not
the cartoons, usually olderportion, I think, of star wars
fans who are like not thecartoons usually older, I think,
like my like I'm 42, so 42 andolder are a little bit less.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I feel like millennials are generally a
little bit more accepting,because I think we grew up in a
period where cartoons changedand they, they stopped being
just for kids you know, and Ithink that that mindset for us
is a little bit different.
So I do notice that people in myage bracket, in the like mid
thirties, late twenties, aretend to be a little bit more

(01:06:11):
open to the animated side ofStar Wars, but I don't have any
hard data on that at all.
But yeah, guys, thank you somuch for listening to us here
for our 108th episode of ProjectEcology.
We enjoy talking abouteverything.
Skeleton Crew, we have a very,very fun show for you next week.
I recommend you watch the moviethe Boy and the Heron by Hayao

(01:06:34):
Miyazaki, probably the greatestanimator of all time, at least
in the same ballpark as, I don'tknow, walt Disney.
He's in that league.
I'm very excited to talk abouthis most recent movie.
Rich, I know that you havealready watched the movie, but I
want to hear your thoughtsfresh next week.
And, anthony, we have alreadyseen the movie, but we'll be

(01:06:55):
watching it again to prep fornext week's show.
Absolutely yeah, the Boy andthe Heron.
Like I've mentioned,no-transcript, you'll find more

(01:07:35):
places where you can follow usover there.
But, anthony, is theresomething you wanted to mention,
like something about stars orsomething?

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
well, are you?
He's talking about the, the buyone, get one free five stars.
You give us a five star and wedon't give you a five star, but
we just receive it and hopefullyyou give it another five star
to another episode.
I don't know that's the one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Yeah, yeah, but but specifically, like what kind of
five star, like a wet towel kindof five star?

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
you know a, a juicy rare.
You know like a wet towel, Yep,like a brick like a brick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
We were talking about random slangs before the show.
Anyway, guys, we're, we'rerambling here.
It's late, we're going to go.
We'll see you on the next one,the Wolverine.