Superman (2025)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Three centuries ago, the first superpowered beings
known as metahumans appeared onEarth, ushering in a new age of
gods and monsters.
Three decades ago, anextraterrestrial baby was sent
in a spacecraft to Earth andadopted by Kansas farmers.
Three years ago, the baby, nowgrown, announced himself as
Dakota, the first host ofProject Ecology, and I'm joined,

(00:23):
as always, with the first hostof Project Ecology and I'm
joined, as always, with Anthony.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
You know I've been spending some time at a
convention in a galaxy with ared sun, so you know I've just
been having a good time.
You know how?
How about you?
Uh, you know, let me send youover to our third host.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Rich.
I've been just basicallyworking photography for a little
bit lately and I have been,just, you know, dating all the
girls because I'm a human, but Ido work at a newspaper.
That's what I've been doingover the last couple of weeks,
since you guys haven't heard us.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
That's how you get the girls.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Guys, we are covering Superman today, the 2025 film
by James Gunn.
It's the start of the DCU onthe big screen.
Obviously, creature Commandoscame out last year, I believe,
or earlier this year, I forget,but yeah.
So this is the first time thatwe're seeing this new superhero

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universe on screen, or semi-new,but we'll get to that later and
, yeah, I'm excited to dive intothis.
Anthony, you said this wasepisode 126 of Project Ecology.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Congratulations, folks.
You're witnessing in real timeepisode 126 of Project Ecology,
but not in real time becausewe're recording this earlier,
guys, before we talk aboutSuperman, which I think we're
all kind of really jazzed about,and I think there's a definite
vibe shift in the conversationso far, and I think it's because

(01:51):
we're all hopped up on coffeeand it's the first thing in the
morning.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, man, this is the first thing we're doing
today is recording a podcast.
We haven't done a morningpodcast in a long time In a long
time.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
I think this is the first morning podcast for Rich.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yep 100%.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
All right, guys.
Yeah, so we have a lot to catchup on because we have been away
for a couple weeks as a team.
I know, anthony, you releasedthe Crunchyroll mini-sode last
week, so, guys, check that out,if you haven't already.
A deep dive into the earlystages of crunchyroll and how it
became what it is today it'scrunchy it's, it's crunchy.

(02:32):
Yeah, yes, yes, be sure to givethat a five-star crunchy review
when you get the chance.
Anthony, what have you been upto this past couple weeks?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
well, the the reason why we're we're doing, uh, we're
actually recording on a sundaymorning.
We usually record on wednesdaynights.
Um, my, my mom came into townso I I was unable to record
earlier in the week.
But you know, also, the reasonwhy I haven't been able to to
record in the evenings, on uh,friday, saturday or today, is

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that I've been going to aconvention this weekend, man,
I've been going to Supercon and,yeah, man, I, I've, I've been
enjoying myself.
You know I'll, uh, we'll haveto, you know, definitely expand
a little bit more on that.
You know I'm there with a presspass.
Thank you, fans of ProjectEcology.

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I would not be able to do it ifit weren't for you all.
But, yeah, no, man, that'swhere I'm going to head, right
after this.
We're going to record this andthen I'll get ready, maybe take
a shower and head out.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Man, All right, so we're recording a super early
podcast for Superman and thenyou're going to get super ready
to go to Supercon.
Yes, that's what I'm on thisSuper Sunday.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yes, it's a super podcast man.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, I love that yeah.
Awesome bro, it's a superpodcast man.
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, awesome bro, that's uh.
We'll have to touch, touch baseon you in a little bit just to
see how super con is going rich.
What do you, what have you beenup to?
Uh?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
surprisingly not too much baseball because we were on
an all-star break.
Uh.
So just uh kind of relaxing I'm, uh my son's at camp all-star
super break.
Yes, all-star, super, all-starbreak.
Or we did have a lot of numberof mets playing in the game, but
I will not regale you guys withall of that.
My son's been away at camp, soit's a little weird, because the
house is kind of empty uh, butI it's so quiet it is weird.

(04:35):
I've uh, I think I told you guysI commandeered the switch too
for my son, so I've been playinguh breath of the wild.
He had kind of bullied me intofacing Ganon before I did my
completionist stuff, so I wentback to my save and I've been
playing that a lot and I justbought Days Gone Remastered.

(04:57):
It's one of my favorite gamesfrom the Xbox 360, I believe it
was on at first, or maybe it wasPS5.
I really enjoyed it.
You're basically yours.
Uh, what's the same?
Who's the guy who did the voiceof uh, who does a lot of voice
acting in star wars?
uh, sam witwer or something yeah, sam witwer yeah, so he's the

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main character in the game.
It's his likeness andeverything.
Uh, so he, I just love the game.
It's basically a zombieapocalypse and you have a
motorcycle and you can upgradethe motorcycle to help you uh,
you know survive.
And then there's kind of a con.
There's a little bit of a storyin there.
It's not just like randomzombie apocalypse stuff.

(05:42):
There's actually like a threadgoing through it.
So I really enjoy it.
If you guys haven't played itbefore, I haven't played it.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, that sounds.
It's not just like randomzombie apocalypse stuff.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
There's actually like a thread going through it, so I
really enjoy it.
If you guys haven't played itbefore, I haven't played it.
Yeah, that sounds awesome.
It is way worth it, becauseit's remastered now so it looks
a lot better.
But I mean, I watched a videothat kind of described it as you

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being MacGyver, like a MacGyverin the zombie apocalypse,
because you just have thesehordes and when I say hordes I'm
talking like on the screenyou'll see like 70 zombies
coming at you, like you'll seethese.
I mean these, these hordes are.
Quite honestly, I can'tremember the last time that I
played a game and I don't liketo play a lot of horror games
but that I played a game where Iwas gripped with anxiety.
As I'm playing it, I'm like, oh, that horde, I have to get away
.
You know, just like panic.
Uh, it's a great game, uh, sohighly recommended I haven't
felt that way since playing.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Need for speed underground too, I'm telling you
you might actually just kiddingyou got me again, you got me
you gotta it was you gotta goback to left for dead too, man,
you know all those zombie hordesand need for speed man.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I, that actually does sound like a really good time
and, uh, I'm sure my, my wife,would love that.
Um, being the the baby that sheis, she can't even watch like a
scary trailer for a movie, likeshe'll have to, like close her
eyes in a theater or else she'llhave literal nightmares for
days.
But, yeah, that would be fun tosubject it with.
Let's see.
I, uh am probably the primaryreason we were not able to

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record last.
I was the primary reason wecould not record.
I was not at my house.
I was, um, in my second homethat I rent from mickey mouse.
I went to, uh, walt disneyworlds.
I I went with my brother-in-lawand his girlfriend's first time
, like you know, doing a tripwith with them, and that was fun

(07:33):
.
It's always fun going somewherewhere you're very familiar with
everything and showing otherpeople the ropes, whether it's
Rich, I'm sure you've brought abunch of people to Citi Field
for the first time and like oh,here's where this is.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
It's my favorite thing to know.
It's the best, it's the best.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
So being able to share experiences with other
people is like one of like thecoolest things about anything
that you can be a part of, thatyou can be a part of and, yeah,
doing something as like big andgrandiose and expensive as Walt
Disney World.
It's fun, it's a good time, youknow, looking at everything for

(08:15):
the first time through someoneelse's eyes.
So that was cool and, yeah,other than that, I think
Superman Superman is the bigthing that happened over the
past couple weeks and it'sbecome something I've been
thinking a lot about and I'mhappy that we're covering it
this week because I need to talkabout it to someone you know, I

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guess, before we jump into ourdiscussion of Superman.
Anthony, what are some of thepanels and stuff that you've
been to?
What are some of the peopleyou've met with?
Press pass, um, I want to hearsome experiences from supercon.
What's going on over there?

Speaker 2 (08:51):
well, with supercon, I I kind of want to.
I want to like wait until youknow.
Like I, I want to like givemore of a comprehensive like
coverage on it.
But some of the panels thatthat I've gone to like, I've
gone to like some of the tocosplay contest, believe it or
not, like there's, there was alost one.

(09:12):
You know, you know who's atthis convention?
Uh, josh holloway sawyer oh, Ilove sawyer.
Oh, john boyega is actually heretoo.
Was he at the last panel?
No, no, no, no, but um, they,they've had a.
There's been a a coupledifferent panels there's.

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There's also some of the.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
There's the voice actors for yugi and kaiba from
yugioh we also have uh, they, heplays the same person or he
plays two different people inthe same show no, no, no, no
like oh, there's two separate.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, oh, okay okay, okay and uh, we also have uh and
this is.
This is like you know, he'swell known, but uh, chris sabbat
and he yeah he does the, thevoices of like, well, most
notably with us.
Growing up he did vegeta anddragon ball z, but then he also

(10:10):
does.
He also does all my uh from myhero, yami from black clover.
So he, yeah, he, he's wellknown.
And there's also eric veilthat's there.
He's done a lot also, mostnotably Sanji from, or also
Chris Abbott does Zorro from OnePiece, and then Eric Vale does

(10:32):
Sanji from One Piece among likeseveral other characters, and
there's also a couple peoplethat do voices and you know
persona.
You know I got a what's that?
you know if you go if you goback to the hundreds of podcasts
that we've covered.
You know that that'll refreshyou.

(10:52):
Okay, I will but uh, but yeah,man, it's, it's, it's been fun
or as you would pronounce it inspanish persona oh persona I
know, yeah, it's a good goldenbut yeah, dude, and uh, I've
just been, I've been trying to,I've I've also kind of been like
thinking of you know who I wantto cosplay next, like because

(11:16):
you know I've done, I've doneobi-wan several times, but I
want to do somebody from fromone piece, you know, and so I'm
still trying to like figure thatstuff out.
But yeah, man, it's, it's beena good time.
I definitely want to cover,cover it, cover it.
But you know, still in themidst of it, you know I'm going

(11:36):
to be heading back there afterafter we're done recording,
maybe not right away, you know,but but I'll, I'll head there.
I think they open up at 10.
I'll probably get there,probably by noon um how far is
it?
from you it's not terribly far,depending on traffic, I mean
today it should only take me.
It should take me about like 45minutes to get there and guys,

(12:00):
it's only five miles away.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
that's how, how bad Miami traffic is.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh my gosh, dude Can you imagine I'm kidding, it's a
Miami beach.
That's what makes it terrible.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
It's terrible, yeah, even on a Sunday.
It's just Florida, man, it'sjust so skinny.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
There's only one road that you can go on.
Oh man, one of the very fewreasons why I go to Miami beach,
miami beach, other than that Idon't, I'd never go there, dude,
I went to a raising canesyesterday and it was like
literally a club.
That's bizarre dude.
It had a dj in there.
I'm like I've never been to araising canes that had a dj in
there.
Like I'm like what is going on?
But it made sense because itwas miami beach, so like I mean,

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you really don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
I'm sorry, that still doesn't make sense, anthony,
it's still.
It't.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
It's a racing game no , no, no, dude, Like Miami Beach
, they're extra.
That's what.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
That's like thinking chickens roaming around down in
South Florida or you know it's.
You know, rich, we havechickens in South Florida like
just roaming the streets andpeacocks and peacocks, yeah, and
peacocks, and peacocks, yeahand peacocks.
Actually there's probably morepeacocks than there are chickens
like dude.
It's crazy, the the further yougo out like to like the, to like

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the red lit redlands slash like.
You start going towards, likethe everglades and stuff man.
You like you see a lot ofpeacocks, man them day and then
them dang rich people bro,they're bringing them peacocks
over bro I don't know about that, all that noise, but but the
chickens are are definitely from, like all the migrants yeah,

(13:31):
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Another.
Another thing that's actuallylike changed the ecosystem quite
a bit in the past, like decadeor two, is like the iguana issue
that you guys have in southflorida dude.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Oh, it's the best it's out of control it has given
us so much joy to watch, like,honestly, one of my charlie's
favorite things to do when hewas, like I don't know, maybe it
was during pandemic, rightduring that, uh, that era he
he's just loved watching videosof iguanas falling off trees in
florida yeah, yeah, because theyget so cold, they just they're

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literally.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Their body temperature just drops to
nothing and they just fall outof trees and hit people.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I think it's sad to say that Florida is the
Australia of the United States.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Oh, 100%, oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,
let's cool it with the Floridadiscussion, because Florida, I
don't think, has anything to dowith the discussion at hand
today oh, he doesn't visit in inthe movie.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
What's the florida?

Speaker 1 (14:30):
no, that was boravia oh, I thought he had a south
florida man oh, actually they dovisit florida, yeah, when they
go into um that pocket universethere's a lot of side.
There's a lot of florida men inthis, in that pocket universe.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
It was, it was yeah, I mean, uh, peacekeeper's dad
could be like a Florida man, Iokay.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
I could believe it.
All right, guys, let's talkabout Superman 2025, james Gunn
Off the cuff.
What are your first opinions?
Like, dislike, ambivalentAnthony.
Let's start with you.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Well, I'm going to start on the cuff, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Why was?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
that so funny to me Sorry.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
We should do morning shows more often coffee's like,
actually like making this a lotmore fun you know, for for me, I
was coming into it, you know,cautious, cautiously optimistic.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
You know I wasn't too sure.
I felt like the, the, I feltlike the trailers weren't really
like.
I guess the trailers didn'treally do the movie justice.
But you know, I started to seethe reviews come in.
I was like okay, so it must belike pretty, pretty decent.
But yeah, I mean so so far.
Or, you know, like my, my, mythoughts, like after the movie

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was like you know, that wassurprisingly better than I
expected.
You know it, it, you know a lotof, I mean you.
You also hear, like a lot ofpeople which you know, for me,
like I don't care what, like, ifI enjoy something, I enjoy
something.
But you know, I think that thatwas like the same case for a
lot of people.
A lot of people are like, ah,this movie, I don't think it's

(16:18):
gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
And then, like you know, they leave thinking like,
oh, wow, this was actually goodyeah, I think um know, just
jumping off of what you justsaid there a lot of people going
into this film are looking atthe trailers, looking at the
promotional material, looking atthe tone of the film.
There's a lot going on.
There's a lot that happens inthis film and from an outsider

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looking in it doesn't look likeit will all cohesively mix, but
we'll talk about whether or notit works in a little bit Rich.
What are your initial thoughts?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
I really liked it.
I had moments of like F yeah,man, that's Superman.
There were those moments whereI kind of I think my heart
jumped a little bit.
I was like, oh, that's Superman.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
You know and.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
I'm a Smallville guy.
I mean I didn't really get intothe DCEU much, I watched a
couple of them and whatever.
But I was a big Smallville guy,like really into it.
I also watched Lois and Clark.
I really loved, kind of reallyloved that show just because it
was like superman content and Idownloaded it.

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Yeah, I really like this movie.
And then, you know, this kindof forced me and we'll talk
about it later.
But I went back and, as I oftendo, I get into my my content,
uh, like world spirals, yeahspirals.
So I, you know, I immediatelywent home and you started
watching, you know, startedwatching tons of dc content, uh,

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but, you know, after watching anumber of those movies, I like
a lot about this.
I like the colors, um, and thisis even something that my you
know, my wife's complained about.
But just the darkness that wehave so many of these movies in.
You know, part of comic booksfor me is the color, is the
brightness right is that theykind of look ridiculous in their

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costumes.
So I love so much about this,and that's not even talking
about the dog, yet that changeseverything yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm gonna they were probably I think originally the
dceu was probably trying to tapinto like the edginess of marvel
, but that only works for marvel.
You know that's not dc.
I mean dc can get dark, youknow.
I mean as as we've seen withthe batman, but I mean superman.
Come on, dude, superman is likemostly bright colors.

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I do.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I do think that the dc universe is slightly more
mature, leaning than marvel's umoutput.
Marvel can get dark and dcdefinitely can get dark, or is
dark.
You know, like the, the entirebackbone of their mythos.
Uh, there's a whole city that'sonly ever like shown in

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darkness.
You know, like you never seeGotham during the daytime, it's
never, yeah, never, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
I always thought that was like funny, uh, but well, I
mean.
But but also, like you know, Ialways saw like, yeah, you know,
I always saw like, yeah, youknow, like marvel was, you know,
it was like the, the teenagerof comics, you know, whereas dc
was like you know, your yourgrandfather's comics, you know

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it's that, that's like the okay,older, you know yeah, like you
said, there's a lot of there's alot of truth to that.
It is like more mature, but thenthe colors are like Rich said,
it's brighter.
And they tried to get visuallydark with the DCEU and it just
didn't work, man, I mean alongwith the writing, but they

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really brightened up theSuperman and it worked.
And I'm going to be honest withyou.
And I'm going to be honest withyou, like, I really do think
that that Henry Cavill was afantastic Superman, but he just
like he didn't have good writersfor him.
And if he had really goodwriters, I think he would have
knocked it out of the park bro.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
But it's heartbreaking for him, to be
honest, Like that's the onething that I take away from,
like my, my deep dive not superdeep dive, but my, you know,
going back and watching a lot ofthe movies was man Like he was.
He was so good and it's just sodealt with beforehand.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
So it's a shame that he you know he's not on this.
He's obviously.
He made the decision to pullhimself out of witcher because
he did.
He disagreed with the content,but he's just like such a
consummate professional thatreally deep dives into these
things that it's a shame thathe's not.
And he's a fan, he's obviously.
Yeah, that's the big yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
So I, I I'm in agreement with you guys.
I I also think that HenryCavill had what it took to be a
great Superman, and in many wayshe was a great Superman in a
world where he wasn't writtenvery well or he wasn't written
like superman.
You know, he wasn't written.
Um, I think the the worst thingabout, uh, man of steel and

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batman versus superman,everything is that I never
bought his interpretation ofclark kent.
You know it didn't ever feellike clark to me.
He's not bumbling enough notbumbling enough, too much aura
farming, not giddy enough, youknow, and we got that with this
film and I'm excited to to jumpinto that and again, I, I like

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henry cavill as an actor.
Um, I like his uh look forsuperman and I wish that he had
better material to work with.
And that's not to say that thisfilm is necessarily like top
tier material always.
You know it's quite goofy insome places and we'll discuss
that.
But I just, like Rich said,this is Superman watching this

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and you know the smile you getat certain scenes, the
heart-rending moments that youget just from him saying
something nice is superman to tolike the core.
And we're also smallville.
Uh, anthony and I grew up onsmallville.
Like there were.
There were many a weekend where, like, we would just have the
dvd box set of small Season 3,and I'd go to his grandma's

(22:25):
house and we'd just watchepisode after episode of
Smallville.
So we were in that age rangefor that we were binging before
Netflix man.
I always say that Superman is,smallville specifically, and
Kingdom Hearts are my benchmarksfor the content that I realized

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would make me a good human.
Kingdom Hearts is all aboutfriendship and Smallville is all
about humility, and that's kindof the two benchmarks that I've
taken throughout my life aboutwhat I want to emulate from
content that I consume.
But let's jump into Superman.

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I haven't given my opinion yet.
I really liked it.
I think this is a really funfilm.
It's not perfect.
There are some things that I'mstill trying to grapple with,
but I really, as a timeline guy,I like and dislike certain
things.
I love that we start the filmwith a timeline, a literal

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timeline, as I started thispodcast with Three centuries ago
, metahumans Three decades ago,clark Santa Earth or Kala Santa
Earth.
Three years ago he announceshimself as Superman and actually
I read the book.
It's a tie-in book calledSuperman Welcome to Metropolis
and it's actually him and hisfirst week as announcing himself

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as Superman in the DCU and it'sfun.
It's a junior novel, so it'svery childish, but it's a fun
look at the early Superman inthis world, so that is fun.
But yeah, as we go on we findthat Superman first started

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dating Lois three months ago.
Then three weeks ago he stoppedBaravia from invading Jarhampur
.
Three days ago, blah, blah,blah.
There's a lot of threes,there's a lot of threes.
Three days ago, blah, blah,blah.
There's a lot of threes,there's a lot of threes.
And it's gotten me thinkingthat I have to kind of make a
breakdown of this in like aYouTube video.
So I started writing a YouTubevideo.
I haven't finished writing it,but I might make it into a video

(24:35):
.
I'm still determining whether ornot the script has like enough
weight to it, but it isinteresting because there's a
lot of symbolic three stuffhappening here.
Because there's a lot ofsymbolic three stuff happening
here.
You think of Superman's classicquote truth, justice in the
American way.
That's a set of three.
You have him wearing threeprimary colors on his uniform

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blue, red and yellow.
There's a bunch of almost liketrinity aspects to the character
as well.
You could look at it a certainnumber of ways.
You can look at it as like hisfather, his mother and and him
as a son, like uh on on krypton.
You can look at it as pocketmock hands and superman, or like

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clark.
You could also look at it aslike the father, the son and the
yellow star.
You know like there's a lot, theyellow star being the holy
trinity or, um, the holy spiritrather, and it's there's a lot
of threes in the superman mythosand you know, a lot of times
that translates to like a verylike divinely inspired number,

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and also the fact that this filmtakes place over seven days,
and seven, symbolically, is asense of completeness, you know,
like a perfect completeness.
So I think there's a lot goinginto the background of this
character that, numerologically,is really cool and well thought

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out, unless I'm just seeingpatterns and things that aren't
actually there.
Um, but yeah, as as a timelineguy, I'm, I'm, I'm thinking
about all these things assomething that is very well
thought out, well-intentioned,and I'm excited to explore that
more.
Sorry, timeline tangent over,you guys can talk about Superman

(26:21):
.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Matt, what was it tangent over?
You guys can talk aboutsuperman now man, was it?
You know?
Guys just just know thatdakota's a little biased because
you know superman is hisfavorite.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
It is, yeah, I would.
I would say superman is in mytop five fictional characters of
all time.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
But how about in dc, number one?
Yes yeah, yes, yeah, I figured,but uh, you know, I I like.
So you brought up Ma and PaKent and I'm going to be honest
with you.
I really liked their castingbecause they made sense for a
Kansas, like a parent kind oflike you would believe that

(26:57):
they're farmers.
You know, they had that look.
That was immediately whatpopped up in my head.
They had, like, this sense ofhomeliness that you would only
really get like, maybe in thesouth, or like the Midwest, you

(27:20):
know.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, unless I visit a Cracker Barrel, I'm not
experiencing that, you know yeah, I mean, like kevin costner
just felt like a guy who dancedwith wolves, like he didn't feel
like a farmer, you know andthen definitely dance with
wolves and and then, you know,uh, jonathan snyder felt more
like a, you know, he was morelike a duke, you know uh, yeah,

(27:41):
he was very hazardous.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yes, yeah, um sorry old guy reference I'm so happy.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
I'm like yes um yeah, both of them in smallville.
They definitely like, they weredefinitely like.
You know more.
I mean, it was for for a kid,kid, it was like whatever, and
still like as a show.
Like you know, I can I cansuspend that disbelief, but I
was believing that.
I was thinking that, like, outof all the Superman material

(28:13):
that I've seen, these are likethe most believable parents that
we have gotten.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, I, I.
I don't know if it's like themost believable like when it
comes to you picturing kansasfarmers.
You know not that they need tobe like unattractive or
extremely homely, but they feltright at home.
You know, like you did not.
There was no, it was as humbleof origins as you could possibly

(28:38):
expect from clark.
You know they weren't overlyattractive individuals, but they
were good people and that'sexactly what superman needs in
this, in any mythos you knowlike he needs, but they were
good people and that's exactlywhat Superman needs in any
mythos.
He needs to be raised by goodpeople to make the decisions
that he ultimately needs to make.
Speaking of decisions that heneeds to make, I think we should
go into.

(28:58):
I'm going to put a spoilerwarning from here on out.
If you haven't seen Superman, Igoing to uh talk about some
spoilery stuff that you won'thave received in the trailers.
So if you haven't seen italready, please go check the
movie out before uh goingforward.
Uh, we have the message from uhjor-el and his uh and his

(29:21):
mother and uh, the first half ofthe movie is interesting
because we only get the firsthalf of the message, where he
basically tells Kal-El to.
He's sending you down to Earthto do good, and that seems to
jive well with the way he wasraised in Kansas, in Smallville.

(29:42):
That's normal way.
He was raised in Kansas, inSmallville, that's normal.
We've always had Jor-El give apositive, or mostly positive,
message about his purpose inlife.
But then later on we find thesecond half of the recording
made by his parents on Kryptonis not very PC, it's not very

(30:06):
politically correct for the 21stcentury on planet Earth and
it's actually becomes quite adetriment to him and his mental
well-being throughout the film.
What are, what are yourthoughts on this guys?

Speaker 3 (30:23):
I mean all right.
So like when the, the, when themessage gets unscrambled, right
and we get the second half ofit, the fact that, like so many
people, right after he's beenbecause, remember, he's been
doing this stuff for a while,right, he's been helping people
for a while, right, the wholeworld knows him as a helper yeah

(30:45):
, yeah, you get the message andthen, like a guy, just like the
minute it comes out, like he hasjust finished helping people
and then, like somebody justchucks like a can at his head
and it's like are you, I don'tknow man, maybe this is like my
mets fandom, but like I, I don'tgive up on someone, like in two
seconds, like he had donenothing to prove that that's

(31:07):
what he was trying to do.
And and maybe this is like, uh,in terms of timeline, right,
like for me, or pacing, like itjust made little sense to me
that so many people turned onhim so quickly.
When we literally have likevideo evidence of people in
power saying things and everyonein, like our country, goes, I

(31:31):
mean, who cares?
Right, and like that's theactual person saying it.
This is his parents telling himto do a thing that he hasn't
demonstrably done, right, so forso many to turn on him so
quickly was a little bit evenlike.
You know like little theyshowed, like little kids crying
when they heard it like, or alittle kid like looking at his

(31:51):
mom like what now?
And it's like if I were aparent I'd be like what has he
done to do that like?
I don't know?
Maybe it's the english teacherin me.
Show me the evidence that Ishould now hate this man who has
saved our lives countless times.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, I think that it's a mix of you know, because
they have had a voice in theirear pretty much like saying like
you know, this is an alien, hedoesn't belong to be, you know
he doesn't belong here, you knowhe's going to be a danger.
And so, like, pretty much, whenthere was like an evidence of

(32:28):
that like you know, like notevidence that he was going to do
something bad, but like prettymuch like a way of proof that
you know that, like you know, hewasn't originally there for
good intention, you know, eventhough, even though Clark you
know this was news to him also,it's not Like to me it wasn't

(32:51):
out of the realm of likepossibility.
I mean, sure I don't think thateverybody would turn on him
right away, Like, but I wouldsay that, like, if you do have
somebody that's been in your earsaying something over and over
and then as soon as, like, whatthey've been saying has kind of
been proven, then it'd be like,oh dang, he's actually been

(33:11):
saying the truth this whole time.
You know, and you know, and youknow that being Lex Luthor.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
And jumping on what you just said, Anthony, like
yeah, you've had Lex Luthor forthe past three years telling the
world not to trust this alien.
You know, he's come out, he'shonest about being not from
Earth and just three weeks agoyou have Superman.
You know, in his mind and inreality he's stopping a war
between two countries, but he'sgoing against, going against an

(33:43):
ally of the United States.
He's essentially stopping anally from exerting their
sovereign right to do whateverthe heck they were doing.
I don't fully understand the uhgeopolitical context of the
film.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
besides, you know, boravia was uh, I think there's
some pretty pretty easy modernday conflict, oh yeah okay, so
like, let's, let's just get thatout of the way.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
We have, uh, several wars going on in the world right
now and I think it's a mix of abunch of them.
You know, like you have theEastern European influence of,
you know like, the Russianlanguage and the Russian like
lexicon being used in almostlike I think the more obvious
parallel would be like theIsrael and Palestine conflict

(34:29):
going on, but we also have therussia ukraine conflict and I
feel like boravia and jarhampurare kind of mashed into both of
those conflicts together and Ithink that was the intent by gun
and company to, you know, getthat across.
But uh, whatever your opinionsof what's going on in the world,

(34:53):
in this universe, supermanwanted to stop a war.
He wanted to stop people fromdying and he did so without
killing anyone on either side,which is notable.
He did give the president ofBaravia a hard time, apparently
Put him up against a cactus,made him pee himself time,

(35:16):
apparently put him, put him upagainst a cactus, made him pee
himself, um, which is really,really funny, because I I really
like the actor who played, uh,like the the leader, for that.
I thought he was just a veryfunny guy yeah um, but this
caused a moral dilemma, a moraldilemma within the rest of this
world, you know like, are hisactions sanctioned by any
country or is he just working byhimself?

(35:37):
And this became an issuepolitically.
And when you get into politicalissues, even if you're
technically, by all rights onpaper, on the right side of
history or on the right side ofyou know, doing the morally
right, right thing, if you areopposing the political opinion
of, say, half the country, youare now a bad guy.

(35:59):
You are now a bad man.
Um, you should keep yourpolitical opinions to yourself.
So, um, and I think that'swhere the issue kind of stemmed
from.
And then adding, on top of, youknow, the fact that he's an,
now he has potential cause tobasically take whatever he wants
, take as many women as he wants, into his harem, which I

(36:21):
thought was very funny.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
And repopulate Krypton Like Jimmy Olsen would
have been a better choice.
Jimmy would have.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Jimmy probably already has, you know, he
definitely already has his ownlittle harem yeah so, anyway,
what are, what are your thoughtson the change of, uh, the
messaging, because I know a lotof people hate it.
I know a lot of people thinkthat that changes the perceived

(36:52):
like messianic um intent of thesuperman character as it's been
portrayed in like many films,many shows.
Um, you know, he's always beenthis savior figure, but if
you're, if you're being sent todo evil, you're not really a
savior figure unless you chooseto do so, and that I think that
that's what is like the decidingfactor about this movie.
It's about choice.

(37:12):
You know, um, but I feel like alot of people are that I think
we're because of smallville.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, you know it, that was like very much show,
like something that was pushedby jor-el in smallville, you
know, and naturally clark foughtagainst it, but you know, this
was something that he knewearlier on in the show.
You know, he was still youngwhen he found this stuff out,
but it wasn't, I think, becauseof Smallville.

(37:40):
It really like broke that moldof that kind of character,
because he obviously made manymistakes in that show and yeah.
At least one a week, and thenyou know, yeah, you know, do you
have any red kryptonite?
You know that was the best.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
But yeah, no, definitely I love the red
kryptonite.
Oh my God, they're so fun.
As soon as you see him in likea leather jacket, you're like oh
, bad boy.
Oh he's on that red kryptonite.
Oh man, he's pulling up in aHarley.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
But yeah, I think because of Smallville, that's
just something that I grew upbeing used to Him being somebody
that had to learn a lot andmaking a lot of mistakes and,
yeah, him being sent not forsuch a great reason.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, okay, so it paved the way for you.
It makes more sense.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
It makes way more sense that a planet who was
about to be extinct sent out achild to repopulate their
culture and their race right,rather than, oh no, our planet's
dying.
You know what we should do?
We should send clark or weshould send kal-el to to this

(39:07):
planet to save them.
Right, like what?
Uh that?
Like like in terms of how youwould think a world ending would
try to repopulate or whateverproperty.
I agree with that.
I do agree with that yeah, no,I.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I think that that's actually a really good point.
Um it, it's a seemingly normalmessage from a dying race to
their progeny to live on.
You know, like, do whatever youcan to keep this race alive.
Now a lot of people are sayingthat like the message was like,
destroy the world and, you know,be a horrible person.

(39:43):
I don't think they actuallysaid that.
No, it does sound that wayBecause it just says, like you
know, take as many women as youwant, and maybe in Krypton,
that's, you know, it's.
It's okay to be polygamous, youcan have multiple wives,
whatever, I don't know.
But on Earth that currentlyisn't in vogue.

(40:07):
Currently it was in the past, acouple centuries ago, or I
would say a couple millennia ago.
That would have been a real hitmessage on planet Earth.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
But Genghis Khan's like yes, they rose a mug to him
.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Anyway, let's move on .
I think we're all in agreementthat it was a shock to hear, but
it's not the worst thing in theworld and it's not even the
first time Superman has gottenthat message from his biological
parents or a similar-ishmessage.
He wasn't entirely altruisticin Smallville and everything,

(40:52):
but we brought up Jimmy Olsen.
We brought up Jimmy Olsenbefore Lois Lane, let's talk
about.
We brought up jimmy olsen.
We brought up jimmy olsenbefore lois lane, let's talk
about jimmy's harem.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Um what are we, what are our thoughts on what I?
Thought he was hilarious andlike this man had, like this
dude had a a mole in like thelex luther camp, like and and
she was like just simping forthis man so my wife, uh, who's
not, um, a major superman fan,has barely watched any

(41:22):
smallville or anything like that, maybe watched man of steel in
the past.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
She like turns to me in the theater and goes so is
this jimmy guy like always aplayer?

Speaker 2 (41:31):
and I'm, I'm thinking to myself and I'm like no like
he was like in the comics he waslike uh, superman's like nerdy,
yeah, he's the nerdy co-workerwith uh with a camera, yeah but,
uh, I, I liked it and he wasn'twas he a photographer in this
one?

Speaker 1 (41:51):
no, I mean he was, but I just I.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
He also wrote articles.
He also feels a little bitolder and I don't know if this
is like for me.
In my head Jimmy's always likefairly younger, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I think Jimmy's in certain stories like the intern
of the office.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yes, so I was a little bit, I was a little
confused with that part, but Ithink that the actor makes it
work.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
I love, his almost like exasperated acceptance of
his fate as someone who everyoneseems to love.
It's funny.
It's just funny.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
The actor I think is really good, and if it had been
somebody else of a similar age Ithink I don't know if I would
have loved it, but I feel likethis guy played it off really
well.
There's something about this.
I've seen him also in like therighteous gemstones.
There's something about himthat, although he's a little bit
older, does give off a kind ofyouthful ignorance almost in

(42:51):
certain areas that make himmakes him charming yeah exactly
yeah yeah, jimmy had a glow upman rachel brosnahan as lois
lane.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
I think that's phenomenal casting.
I think it might be the bestcasting in the movie.
Like I love david cornswet asuh superman, I I love nicholas
holt.
I don't know if I love nichHolt as Lex but I like him as
Lex.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
He did a good job.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
He did a good job yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I think that he did a lot better job than Jesse.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Eisenberg, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I think that the Lex in this movie was a lot better.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I do prefer him to Eisenberg.
Yeah, I really think RachelBrosnahan is an absolutely
fantastic Lois Lane Just likegets to the core of who the
character is as this quippy andno-nonsense reporter.
No-nonsense reporter, you knowlike even in her personal life

(43:56):
with Clark, who she's apparentlybeen dating for roughly three
months now, she's probably knownthat he's Superman for a little
longer than that.
She is willing to breakcharacter so that she can go
back into reporter mode andmaybe reporter mode is her
natural state.
You know, like for Superman,his natural state.
You know, like for for superman, his, his natural state is

(44:17):
superman.
It's not clark kent, but forlois lane her natural state is
reporter, not, you know,girlfriend and yeah I, I love, I
love that dynamic that theyhave.
That.
That scene where they'rearguing while having that
interview is just magnetic.
You're pulled.
I've seen the movie twice now.
I went to go see it again afterwork one day and it's just.

(44:39):
I love their chemistry.
So so much it's.
So.
That's.
My favorite part about thismovie is those two actors being
on screen together, and I wishthey had more time on screen
together.
There's a lot of like Lois onher own or Lois with a team of
reporters with like behind her.
I wish there was more lois andclark, but, um, I'm glad we have

(44:59):
that one scene.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
That's just absolutely phenomenal yeah, I
think it was.
I mean it actually like I, Iwas like angry at her.
I'm like that's your boyfriend,like you know he's trying to
save lives and she went likefull reporter, you know, before
anything else, but she had toand she said she, she gave him
that disclosure, like you knowthis is what.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
And he gave her and he gave her the OK for it.
Like you know he, he knew that.
That you know it's.
It's in those moments where youknow you can't let that bias
you know it's like you, you knowyou kind of have to get to the
heart of it, otherwise it wouldhave been just another piece
that clark would have written.
You know that.
That that's exactly like what.

(45:42):
What you're asking for isliterally what clark was doing
for himself.
You know, interviewing himselfas superman.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I love that line.
I love that line where she'slike oh so you, you've timed,
timed your imaginaryconversations to yourself.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
I don't know, I'm just saying if Dakota and I were
reporters, you know, and oursignificant others were these
super beings trying to do goodin the world, and we interviewed
that hard, I think we'd besleeping on the couch for a
couple of weeks, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Honestly to tell you the truth, man like I feel like
true love is knowing when tokeep somebody accountable and to
challenge them.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
That's fair, honestly .

Speaker 2 (46:26):
And that's what she was doing, like she was, and she
wasn't wrong.
Though she wasn't wrong and youknow we are so used to growing
up with Superman.
You know going off and savingthe world.
If there's an asteroid comingdown, I 100% know that nobody's
going to care if this man fliesand destroys it.
But then, like once, you kindof sprinkle some politics in and

(46:49):
it's like okay, who are youdoing this on behalf of?
You know, like you're obviously, you know he's like kind of
he's based out of, you know, theUnited States.
So obviously everything he doesis in the name of the United
States.
And so once he goes and doesall this stuff you know it was
almost in a way of like her youknow, telling him to be mindful

(47:10):
of the things that he does do,even though, like you know, it's
Superman's nature to want tomake sure that everyone is okay.
You know it's yeah, like it's.
It's also accountability in away.
Like you know you're kind oflike the face of the United
States.
You know you have to be careful.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
You know, Sorry to cut you off.
I also liked that she agreedwith pretty much everything that
he was doing too Like.
You know, off the record, shewas just like yeah, no, I agree
with that, but do I know that?
So she was doing her job as anunbiased reporter.

(47:47):
You know, Like, and that hurt,you know, Right, right, Because
it's so emotionless.
That's actually even harderwhen you know the person you
know.
It's emotionless, yeah, so thefact that she was able to do.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
that goes to show you , like you know, how strong she
is as a reporter.
She's good at her job.
You know that's why she's atthat place is because she's so
great at her job.
And who knows like in thisworld, who knows like how much
Lois has been dating?
You know, like I'm pretty surethat, like you know, she's

(48:18):
probably dated like a few guysbut like she seems like more of
like a career woman and so likenow that she has like somebody
that kind of in her life, youknow that's a balance also for
her.
So I do you know, like you said, like she is that you know hard
hitting reporter and you knowyou don't get there without like

(48:38):
really diving into your work.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Speaking about career women, let's also talk about
career men and women.
We have the Hall of Justicebeing built, which was fun to
see on screen.
I was just it was just put asmile on my face as a as someone
who grew up just watching SuperFriends in the background, this
was just something very specialto me.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
But it was kind of Nah man, it's the Justice gang
bro.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
It was sad seeing that it was just three members
in this Justice gang, you know,like Hawkgirl, mr Terrific and
Guy Gardner's Green Lan, greenlantern of all people.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Dude, um, dude, let's talk about them yes, please,
let's talk about guy gardener,let's let's talk about the the
like you know, because I I've Ihave like read some of guy
gardener and I feel like nathanphillan like did a freaking spot
on job, like he is that likearrogant guy he is.
You know, like that, that greenlantern, you know that that's

(49:39):
who he is.
You know he's the like kind of.
He's not like um.
You know how jordan he's.
You know he's a bit of a hardhead, you know.
And I and oh yeah, I love thatthey kept like the, the comic
book haircut yeah, that was thebest part.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
He's, he's supposed to be a dick, he's supposed to
be like he's.
That's literally who he is inthe comics and that's who he was
on screen.
Yeah, at all times they.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
They knocked it out of the park.
I think he did a really really,really good job.
I I actually really liked he.
He knocked that patrol out ofthe park, it and I laughed.
I felt like I laughed everytime he was on the screen, like
because I almost couldn't takehim seriously.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I loved his constructs that he was making
the when, when he was facing thedimensional imp with a, with a
baseball bat, and it was justlike a bunk, bunk sound Whenever
, whenever it hit.
I loved that Like a wiffle bat.
It was so fun.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I know Rich was cheering for that when he saw
anything.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I was very excited.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Mocked it out of the park with that one as well, as
like when he's in Jarhanpur andhe's like flipping over the
tanks with the middle fingers.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yes, hilarious, I love that I was like yeah, yeah,
I said yeah, that's thischaracter, so irre, yes,
hilarious.
I love that I was like yeah,yeah, I said yeah, that's this
character, so they got him likeperfect.
And it's crazy because likewe've only really gotten like um
, uh, was it john stewart andhal jordan on the screen, but
like we haven't really, likewe've had maybe a couple others,
but like you know the fact thatwe got guy guy Gardner and that

(51:12):
that was the choice for thisfilm, it was.
He was definitely like the oneof the the comedic reliefs in
this film.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
And it's it takes.
It takes someone like JamesGunn to be like that's the,
that's the Green Lantern I wantto play with first.
You know, yeah, yeah, nobody,nobody would be like the
quintessential Green Lanternthat we need for this is Guy
Gardner, except James Gunn,because it totally fits his
direction, style and everything.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah, man, he likes deep cuts.
Man.
You know, you saw what he didwith Guardians.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
I saw what he did with Guardians.
I saw what he did with SuicideSquad.
Yeah, it was terrific.
Speaking of terrific, we haveMr Terrific Dude just cool, cool
, just a cool character also hasmy least favorite scene the the
scene where they're, you know,in front of the garage hangar
and it's just going up slowlyand it's just like it comes out
of nowhere and it's just likeyou wasted like 30 seconds of

(52:06):
this film on a garage hangar.
Uh, I was like I was.
I was like I was both times Iwatched the movie.
I'm like this is so dumb, but II do love a lot of his line
deliveries.
I love that he just doesn'tcare about, like, the emotional
context of Lois and Clark'srelationship.
I love that he hates crypto.

(52:28):
What are your guys thoughts onMr Terrific?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I had known nothing about the character.
So, like there are, I do have alot of dc blind spots, uh,
where, you know, I didn't readas much of the comics, so a lot
of my dc knowledge happens.
It just really comes from uhfilms and shows yeah, films and
shows, you know, and I didn'teven go that deep, uh, with
certain stuff.
So, like I didn't watch, um,was it the flash and wb or

(52:56):
archer?
I didn't watch, uh, I didn'twatch any of those now, you
didn't.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
You didn't watch the arrowverse, the arrowverse.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Sorry, sorry, archer.
What am I talking about anyway?
We're talking about that fxseries, that's a fantastic show
uh, that's great, but you know Iso I didn't know anything about
this guy.
Uh, so I I just thought he, Iwas whoa, like everything he
started to do.
I was like whoa, that's prettycool, that's pretty dope.
So I really liked like I knewnothing about him.

(53:22):
I felt like I got to know himin a way that makes me want to
see him again and that'sfantastic, I think.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, I think that Mr Terrific is a fun character.
I wasn't hugely versed on himeither.
I mean, I knew what his powersets were.
I knew like the way that he wasportrayed on screen.
Anthony, it's kind of likeZenyatta in Overwatch you know
like with with the orbs and likefloating around and yeah, um,
but yeah, no, it was it wasreally really cool to see on

(53:50):
screen.
It was really really cool to seeon screen and it was such a
James Gunn moment to have thatfight scene from Lois' vantage
point within that T-Spherebubble, as he's just going ham
with a stupid song in thebackground.
Fun, fun, fun.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Oh yeah, yeah, that was actually a really cool scene
, man, but yeah, um, it was thatI'm, I'm also kind of like with
rich that, like I, I didn't, Ididn't know this character.
I don't know if he, I don'tremember if he's ever really
popped up and you know, likethere's certain like groups that
that you know I've seen, likeyou know, I like know some of

(54:29):
the, the heroes from, like youknow, the justice society and
you know, yeah, like he, hehasn't really ever like popped
up for me.
Um, I mean, you know, I know,but I knew the others, the, the
other two, uh, hot girl and andguy, guy gardner what'd you guys
think of hot girl just likescreaming randomly whenever she

(54:50):
was attacking people like a bird?

Speaker 1 (54:52):
I thought that was really funny better, so I've
been watching.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Uh, last of us.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
So, uh, isabel oh yeah, it's the same actress.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
She plays a big role there, uh, and she's just
fantastic in last of us.
To the point where, like thecharacter of dina for me in the
game wasn't as interesting as itis actually in the show and
interesting okay, uh.
So when I saw that she was castfor this, I was excited because
I really like her work on lastof us I.

(55:22):
And then it made me recall thatshe's been in another one of
our favorite superhero movies,dora the explorer.
Uh, no, but she was one of your,one of your favorites, I
actually haven't seen it wellshe is Dora, but no, there's a
movie that you maybe she gottangled up in this movie.
Maybe you just don't rememberher because Sidney Sweeney was

(55:43):
in the movie yes, she was caughtin the web.
So you know she got like herchance in a superhero movie and
obviously that's not going to goanywhere ever again, so I'm
really happy for the actor I, Ikeep thinking like about, like
sony's output, and it's justdon't, don't do it, don't do it.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
What are we?

Speaker 3 (56:04):
thinking I watched what is going on I what is
happening?

Speaker 2 (56:09):
just to watch.
They're mishandling spider-man.
They need to just like givethose rights.
It's not even that they'remishandling spider-Man.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
They need to just give those rights up.
It's not even that they'remishandling Spider-Man, because
he's not even in it.
They're beating around the bushfor no reason.
It's like $100 million there,$100 million there, $100 million
there.
I'll take $50 million backevery time.
It's just like let's lose money, guys, let's do this.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
It's like a gambler.
They could let's do this.
It's.
It's like a, it's like agambler.
You know, like they, they putthey, they could put in like 200
, and if they get like 50, 50back, they feel like they're
ahead.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
It's the sunk cost fallacy with, with the, you know
, with the entire sony.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
I we're like yeah, sorry sorry sorry, let's, let's
pull it back, let's bring itback in the comic books, but,
but yeah, no, I agree, but yeah,no, it's.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I liked Isabella Merced in this role.
I wish there was more of all ofthese characters, but I guess
we'll have to just wait untilthis universe continues growing.
Okay, my cat's being reallyloud right now, I'll be right
back.
Sorry, what did I miss?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
you missed tons, man.
We're already done with thediscussion, man, um, no, no, uh,
I, I agree, and I I like thatpart where they're fighting that
, that monster, and like she washitting his eye.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Kaiju, oh my gosh, that was so funny.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I was actually like he like, closed his eye over the
the mace and like it got stuckit's just.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
It's such a stupid way to handle a big monster, but
it actually kind of makes sense, you know, like go for the eyes
and they're just poking away atits cornea.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
It's, it's just I, I love how, like they're like
fighting it and and superman's,just like you know, and like
they like, proceed to kill ityeah.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
So that scene I think I have to talk about because I
made a big stink about it online.
So it involves a potentialmajor timeline error where the
the film proposes, um, that lexluther and um mutant toes go to.

(58:20):
I call her mutant toes becauseI forget her name, but that was
her name in jimmy olsen's bookas well as uh, the, the other
people, they they go over to thefortress of solitude to find
dirt on Superman and in thatscene they ask how do we keep
Superman away?
How do we like distractSuperman?
And Lex says that he hassomething planned, basically

(58:46):
suggesting that while they'rethere in the Fortress of
Solitude he has something that'sgoing to distract Superman.
But by the time we actually seethe fight with the monster like
it's the next day, you know,like it's at least 12 hours have
passed, because the monster isnow fully grown.
So it isn't really adistraction and it really caused

(59:08):
me to think like wait, so am Isupposed to believe that Lex
Luthor was at the Fortress ofSolitude, made it back to
Metropolis, had a wholeinterview planned, got onto the
interview, did all that,released the footage, translated
the footage in the span of the20 or so minutes that they were
fighting this kaiju beast.
Well, no, obviously that can'tbe true, but the way that it's

(59:31):
written kind of is it leans inthat direction well, I I think
in that moment this is where Iwill.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I mean it's, it's not .
I think it's.
I know it's one of thosemoments that you have to like
suspend disbelief, that you know, while this is happening, you
know they're planning, you know,like all of the I guess like
not everything is happening allat the same time.
It's just like kind of overthat time right, this stuff is
happening in the backgroundwhile this creature is growing.

(01:00:01):
You know they're planning tomake their their way over there,
but it looks like it's allhappening at the same time and,
you know, on the screen it mightseem like the the monster was
like a 20 minute fight, but likeyou know, who knows, it could
have been, you know, longer.
It might have been rampagingfor longer.
You know I mean well I mean it.
It had been rampaging for longerbecause it eventually had to

(01:00:23):
grow up right to right, but Idon't, so the the actual
distraction with supermanhappened when it was like fully
grown, like right, right, so Iguess.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
So there's.
There's two ways of looking atit.
You can be very literal withthe script where the distraction
that Lex Luthor needs to getthe information from the
Fortress of Solitude wasSuperman fighting this beast.
So that would be Supermanfighting this beast
simultaneously with lex lutherextracting that information.

(01:00:56):
Or it's just a weird line thatlex luther said because by the
time the you know distractionwas occurring, super lex luther
was already like beinginterviewed on that program,
because we actually do see theinterview happening, uh, in the
background of that scene, likeon billboards or buildings.

(01:01:16):
There's screens on buildingsand stuff.
So upon a second watch it made alittle bit more sense to me.
It's not as glaring of a plothole, because the film actually
is very good about keeping aninternal, consistent timeline.
You know, like there are sevendays showcased throughout the
film.
Each day that they have like amagazine on screen or a

(01:01:40):
newspaper on screen, rather it'sdated correctly as to that day.
So it would be like Monday the18th, then Thursday the 22nd,
something like that you know itwas.
It was very, very consistentlike that, so I kind of just
overlook it at this point asjust like kind of a weird line
that didn't need to be in there,because it ultimately just made
me think too hard and itdistracted me from it was a

(01:02:02):
distraction for me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
It was more of a distraction for me than it was
for superman, I think so and andand I, I think like probably
for rich, and I like we justwere like none the wiser, we're
just like in it.
Yeah, I don't even think I,until I saw your tweet.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I didn't think about it like once.
Like I was like, oh yeah, it'sjust like I don't know.
I mean, it's just one of thosethings like the, the stupid
movie God, it's with ArnoldSchwar.
Like it says christ in new yorkand he's like maybe it's chris

(01:02:39):
in new york or, uh, christine innew york or christine york, and
then the name just pops up onthe computer screen and that's
who they're looking for, like,and I just kind of accepted it.
I'm like you know, arnold'sjust so good at like enigmas,
you know.
Or like even in the old batmanshow, like he'd put in a bunch
of evidence into like a machine,right like this old school
computer, and they would likebeep, beep, boop, boop, boop,

(01:03:00):
and then I would give them alocation of where they had to go
, like, and and I think that Ijust was like, yeah, of course
lex was able to do that.
So I don't think I even thoughtabout.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
That's another thing too.
Like in my head as I'm watchingthis I'm thinking all right, so
lex gets access to this alienlanguage or like two minutes max
, two minutes total of like thissample of kryptonian, like an
alien language that has noetymological links to anything
in like the earth lexicon, andwithin the day he has already

(01:03:34):
communicated with all of thelike top like the top 28
linguists in the world andthey've deciphered exactly what
this says from a two-minutesample.
And I looked it up like howlong would it take linguists to
like decipher a humanoidlanguage from another planet?
Um, and according to ChatGPT,it would say realistically, it

(01:03:56):
would never happen from atwo-minute sample.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
I'm going to actually quiet the voices in your head
with this.
If he has a metahuman who canturn himself into a substance
that doesn't even exist on thisworld, I wouldn't put it past
Lex to have some sort ofmetahuman locked up in his
pocket universe who's like thebrainiac level of being able to

(01:04:22):
figure stuff out I also thinkthat you could make the argument
that the computer that theyhacked probably had some
translation of the language.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
It's not the worst thing in the world, it just in
my in the moment.
While that was happening, uh,and the the quick translation on
screen for the world to see, Iwas just like well, well I mean
the thing is is that here heregoes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Another one of those things is that lex might have
had exposure to other otherthings.
You know from that language.
I mean, he knew aboutkryptonite.
That was never explained.
Yeah, so the thing is is thatyou know from that language, I
mean, he knew about kryptonite.
That was never explained, yeahso the thing is is that, you
know, you also got to think that, like he might have had, you
know, some sort of kryptonianlanguage that he, he had been

(01:05:09):
able to to have analyzed, and so, when it came to that time,
they were able to download allthat stuff he was able to it's
in the caves, man I guess get it.
You know, I guess get it.
Here's a question for youpeople.
It's in the caves, man.
I guess get it.
You know, I guess get it.
Here's a question for youpeople it's in the caves here's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I got a question, lionel has it he's in the caves.
He's got the language alreadydang it, lionel yeah he's, he's
like carving it into the walljust like, uh, phil colson and
agents of shield yeah, um, theymentioned early on that there's
no more kryptonite left in theworld.
What happened to it?
Where did it go Like?

(01:05:43):
Does it dissolve Like?
Does it have like a really likestrong half-life kind of like
uranium, where it just startsdisintegrating like really
quickly?
And that's what I'm veryconfused about, like where all
the kryptonite went.
And they obviously know aboutkryptonite.
I read the junior novelizationwhere Luther finds a substance

(01:06:03):
that he imbues a cyborg with,that he determines eventually
that this weakened Supermansomehow, I don't know why.
Blah, blah, blah.
And three years later it isknown as kryptonite, but it is
also known as a substance thatno longer exists in this world,
so they have to bring in elementman to create it.

(01:06:24):
Where did it go, guys?
What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
hmm it it disintegrated I like that theory
I, I just uh, you know, let'slike, like, let's like try to do
so much, tried to do so manyexperiments with it that it I
mean like it's not the samemovie.
But you know, I'm batman versussuperman, which obviously I
mean, um, astoundingly, has somany similar themes that I'm

(01:06:50):
rather shocked by the outrage ofsome of the people, uh, the
reaction to this movie, becauseI'm like, uh, in some beats it's
kind of the same story.
It's still, like you know,superman's an outsider alien and
everyone kind of starts to turnon him a little bit here.
Uh, and in that one it was thisidea that, like they, they just
had a finite amount, right, andthat they, they could have

(01:07:11):
messed.
Like batman ends up getting hishands on it and he, he almost
wastes all of it, but before theend, right.
So I could see a scenario whereLex has been like doing some
shady experiments in the pocketrealm.
I mean, maybe even creation ofUltraman required some in some
strange way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
How did he get the DNA?
How did Superman's hair evenfall off?
Maybe that was even akryptonite thing that got the
hair cut, because you wouldimagine that his hair can't be
cut by anything else, so I mean,unless he's just going through
early, uh, male pattern he is inhis early 30s.
I mean, it's not I hope that atthe next movie they're like you

(01:07:51):
know, there's, there is somebodywho's like, how did he lose his
hair?
He's like, how did they, howdid I lose it?
And then lois goes well, youknow, I didn't want to say this
clark, but uh, you've, I'vecaught some hairs in the shower.
Uh, you know I've taken it outof the drain before you see it.
But uh, you have indeed beenlosing hair.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Hey the average person loses like 30 to 60 hairs
a day.
So they grow back, but you know, so anyway yeah, that's fun.
I I like all the little stupidbanter, but there's one thing
that we need to talk aboutbefore we finish the
conversation, and that's crypto.
We haven't talked about cryptoat all.
I think that that's a reallyfun thing, like when I first saw

(01:08:33):
the trailer and I saw himwhistle and I saw the cloud of
dust, like you know, inantarctica, like coming towards
him.
I'm like no way, no way,they're doing crypto, which is
the most campy thing that's everexisted.
In comic books, I have a superdog, uh, and you know, back in
like the golden era, there waslike a whole super family, but

(01:08:55):
and I guess they they stillexist in, you know, modern
comics, but they're not all asinterlinked as they are, uh, in
golden age stuff but, yeah,crypto is one of the most comic
book things possible and I thinkthey handled it phenomenally,
like in this movie.
Just it felt so you didn'tquestion it for a second.

(01:09:16):
Within the confines of the, thelogic of this film am I?
Am I wrong there?
Like, do you guys feel the sameway?

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
no, no, like I, I didn't feel like it.
It didn't feel campy.
Like you know the, the comics,or they had that animated series
also.
Uh, crypto the super dog and andso, yeah, that I I really felt
like it.
It made sense and he had likethe, the mannerisms of like a
dog, like in that.

(01:09:45):
That trailer was literally likethe, the start of the movie
also, and no, it was just likefunny, though, like you know,
the crypto comes up and he'sjust like trying to play and
like jump on him and stuff, andI'm like, yeah, that's so much
so, so much so like what a dogwould do, and it's infinitely
worse because the dog is superstrong oh my gosh, it's probably

(01:10:07):
, it's probably so painful likehaving, you know, being recently
beaten like to a pulp.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Uh, superman is like incapable of walking and you
have this super dog justbreaking bones trying to play
with you.
Love that, it's so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
It's so funny actually that's one thing that I
didn't bring up.
That I liked about this movieis that superman was not
overpowered.
That was always my issue withsuperman.
They did give him, they didgive him a weakness, but super
Superman has always been justoverly strong.
In the comic books he gets somuch stronger.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
They gave him boundaries that he can play
around in.
He's still the strongestsuper-powered being, I guess,
outside of the Hammer of Baraviaand or Ultraman and or Ultraman
, but I don't even know ifthat's true, because I think
it's more that, like brain,brain beats Braun and in that
scenario where, like, lex iscontrolling Ultraman so that he

(01:11:05):
knows every move before Supermantakes it.
So I don't know that he'snecessarily stronger than
Superman, um, but but yeah, I,as far as Superman's power level
goes, he's not infinitelystrong.
He does have an upper limit andit is met several times in this
movie I, I also like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
The, the super bots were like you know, we got to
give them a dose of the yellowsun and like they magnified it,
so it was just like a straightbeam of sun, like hitting him,
like he was getting hit with apokemon solar beam and you know
that that was like really cool,like I liked that they did
something like that, um, andthen the the robots were also

(01:11:45):
like kind of funny, like youknow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Oh, we're incapable of caring yeah, um, I didn't
really care for some of theminions of lex luther.
I thought that the film didn'treally need it, uh, and they
could have written around them,but I guess it was cool to watch
, uh, but yeah, uh.
So, anyway, my, do you guyshave a favorite scene?

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
I think or like a a scene where you felt like this
is superman the he, he's up inthe air and it sounds ridiculous
because that he flies, but it'sthe scene where the he almost
kind of I wouldn't say eclipsesthe sun, but it's just like he
floats up and the screen is justthe sun, like like sunshine,
like wrapping around him andenveloping him, and it just very

(01:12:31):
much reminded me of uh, I don'tknow if you guys watched it,
but like when I was super youngmy grandmother would record uh,
all of the old, or she wouldfind the old Superman cartoon
from the 1950s and then justkind of the way he'd be up in
the air with the light, almost alittle bit like your background
picture, dakota, that everyoneelse can't see.

(01:12:52):
But just this, him beingenveloped, and that to me was
like that's Superman for mebeing enveloped, and that to me
was like that's Superman for me.
You're talking about the maxmax Fleischer animated stuff
from yes 40s right yeah, I thinkso I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
There's two scenes that I can think of that kind of
work in that frame.
There's one where he's he throwsUltraman into the, into that
like cavern, that, that tear inreality, um, and then he kind of
like he descends onto thescreen and, uh, he's like light,

(01:13:28):
light shines through thebackground or whatever there's
that one, and then there's thescene that I like a lot, which
is right after he saves, uh,that lady in the car and he like
busts out of like the rubbleand he's just floating and just
like aura farming for a second.
I love that.
That's a gorgeous shot yeah, Ilove that, anthony, do you have
a favorite scene?

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
I liked a lot of the scenes that that humanized
superman, like the, the scenewith his parents, you know like
where he's like recovering orwhere he was like kind of like
mentally beat up.
And you know, lois like wastalking to him, and then you saw
like that monster in thebackground which was, like you

(01:14:09):
know, lois is like kind of likeaddresses it too, like, oh, were
you helping him out over there?
And like you could just see likethe, just the, the justice gang
you know, beating up on on it,um, but I I liked those moments
that, uh, you know, because,like you had, um, you know, and
it also like showed a lot of ofwhat Superman was, which was we

(01:14:30):
focus so much on the super.
But, like you know, like thisis where, like the man part
shows and you know, like the,the empathy, and he's like you
know the dog, you know he's'slike, you know I, I need, I need
to turn myself in.
You know they're gonna bring mewhere the dog is, which was,
you know, which was like areally good, like you know it

(01:14:51):
was good intuition, becausethat's exactly what happened.
Yeah, man, I, I, I just I likedthose scenes and and uh, and it
really showing the, the, thehuman side that that he grew up
with, and and um, yeah, man, thehumility.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Jumping on what you just said, anthony, I think that
scene, specifically um of himand lois, encapsulates the
personage of superman betterthan anything else in the film,
because she's like arguing withhim about you know, like the
world is full of bad people, butyou look at every life as

(01:15:27):
something that's pure andbeautiful and that's literally
Superman, whether he's saving asquirrel or he's going out and
chasing that dog.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
And he does that and he saves a dog.
Yeah, he uses like the superbreath of bloom from like
another monster.
Yeah, dude, I was like it's sofunny because, like you see that
in like the, the animatedseries, and you see stuff like
that in the comics, it's like soyeah, like I mean he, he really
, he really does, and I don'tknow.
Like I think that that's what Ireally liked in in those

(01:15:58):
moments the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
The scene that got me , or like the line that got me
from that scene was um, I have,I have the script up in front of
me, I'm going to turn myself in.
Maybe they'll take me whereverthey took the dog.
And Lois goes it's just a dogand Superman goes, I know, and
he's not even a very good one,but he's alone and he's probably
scared and he just flies out.

(01:16:20):
That's the most Superman thinghe could have said.
It's so brilliantly written.
I, I absolutely adore I.
I went back to see the movie asecond time just for that scene.
It, you know, it pulls at theheartstrings and it just makes
the movie for me and I, I feellike I haven't seen that
superman on screen in a longtime and it's like uh yeah, you

(01:16:42):
have a well-behaved dog.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
I mean, my dog is you have a crypto.
You actually have I kind ofhave like like.
Just just yesterday I wassitting on the couch minding my
business.
The dog jumps up angrily, barksat me like he's talking to me,
and then immediately pushes meoff the couch to bring him
outside, just so that he couldrun in figure eights.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
And I'm just like what and then and then some dogs
.
I feel like they learn the artof where to get a reaction out
of a man, Because they willliterally jump on your family
jewels and I don't know how theyhave the aim for that, but they
always do it and you're in painfor five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
But you can't deny that, you can't deny their
presence.
That's the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Right, right, that's what they've learned, you're
like dang you and like that islike literally something that
crypto would do.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Oh, something else that.
What did you think about theentrance of Rich's girl from his
favorite TV show, House of theDragon, Millie Alcock?

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
as.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Supergirl.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
You're asking me, or Rich?

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Yeah, Rich.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
So I know that she had been cast for it beforehand.
I didn't know that she wasgoing to appear in this movie
and then I did a little bit ofresearch on her and it kind of
the little we got althoughcomedic is going to probably be
further explained, obviously, inher movie and we're going to
kind of deep dive into her there.

(01:18:18):
Often like, if I have to behonest with superhero movies, I
don't like when character actorsthat I know portray uh the act
like the characters I like.
I didn't know anything aboutchris hemsworth, for example, uh
beforehand and I was like, yeah, that's great.
You know, like I didn't knowhugh jackman at all and although
he's too tall, I was like, yeah, that's great.

(01:18:39):
Uh, like you know, I don't lovethe fact that pascal is in so
much stuff.
Um, I think it's almost likeI'm getting too much of him.
I want him to be one guy and Iknow actors don't want that in
their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
What's his one guy for you, though?
Because, I remember him fromGame of Thrones.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
So see, yeah, I was like, oh, it's the spear of.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
But then I liked him a lot in the Mandalorian also.
So for me so you kind oftypecast people a little bit,
yeah, I do For me, it doesn'tbother me.
I've seen Nathan fill in somany different things Firefly
and all that stuff and I thinkhe killed it as Guy Gardner.
I loved him as Guy Gardner.
I do think that Millie Alcock,uh, firefly and all that stuff,

(01:19:24):
and I think he killed it as GuyGardner.
I loved him as Guy Gardner, youknow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Oh, I do think that Millie Alcock um her, her role
as um Rhaenyra Targaryen is verydifferent from her portrayal of
super girl and I I think thatin itself is um good enough for
me.
You know, like I, that initself is um good enough for me.

(01:19:47):
You know, like I even like the,the look of the character, like
it's.
It's much more regal.
She's got the white hair andand supergirl and all that or in
um house of the dragon but, doyou?
do you still feel like that's a,that's a very familiar face?
Is that like jumping out at you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
I mean I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna need to see the movie,
right, obviously, theappearance is the appearance,
right, like you know, like, uh,we got what's his name, uh, the
guy who, I'm sorry, who wassupposed to play hercules, but
it looks like he's never gonnacome out, right, uh, brett,
something, uh, he's, he's from,uh, this is the worst podcast

(01:20:21):
ted lasso, ted lasso.
There we go right.
So he came on as hercules andI'm like are you joking me?
Like that's the guy who cursesand plays soccer, uh, yeah you
know so.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Or even better, uh, in eternals, at the end of
eternals, when, um, uh, harrystyles comes out in a in an
outfit that doesn't even fit him.
It doesn't, it's the outfit wasjust like in the like he picked
it up off the the background ofsome casting lot somewhere, put
it on, just walked on stagevery bizarre, and I don't think

(01:20:51):
you know what.
We probably will see him again.
That's that's what annoys me.
Um, but yeah, I don't know thatwe're going to see hercules
again yeah, so so the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
When her movie comes out right like then, I'll be
able to probably comment alittle bit more, because there
was very little that we weregiven here.
It was more Easter egg-y to methan anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
I do like her character, though.
I love the irreverence thatshe's just like an angsty
teenager going to parties andleaving her dog for weeks on end
.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Well, can I comment more on?

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
that, no, rich, you can't Go ahead.
Can I comment more on that?
No, rich, you can't Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Well, so I've been reading a little bit about the
character and the character.
So she so actually her citylike floated up from Krypton
before it exploded or before itgot destroyed, so she actually
had like a Kryptonian experiencea little bit longer.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
and then, um, the reason she goes to these red
planets is because she'sgrieving and she wants to be
able to get drunk to drink thepain away to drink the sorrow,
so she's not just partyingbecause she's like a wayward
teen, it's because she's uhreally going through it and, uh,
that's when I think it'll beinteresting to see the actor's

(01:22:05):
portrayal of the character andthen maybe she will become in my
eyes, maybe she'll be super youknow, super girl before she's
before it's interesting becausethere's definitely some weird
like time dilation stuff withher where, um, she was a
teenager when her planetexploded, um, or a young adult I
don't know what, what they'regoing to do with that whereas
clark was a baby um, her planetexploded or a young adult I
don't know what what they'regoing to do with that Whereas
Clark was a baby and now Clarkis the older one and she's the

(01:22:29):
younger one.
So the roles have reversed insome weird, strange like time
dilation mayhem of likesubjective reality.
But I want to see how they playthat in in the movies and I'm
excited because I do like herirreverent attitude, you know
just you know, coming back forher dog and you know what that's
actually.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
You know that that's actually something that's like
really cool, that could beexplored, like the.
You know that you're talkingabout the time dilation.
You know, obviously she's goingto these different galaxies and
you know, with the travelbetween the galaxies and all
that stuff, you know her aging,yeah, could, could be slowing
down compared to clark, who'sjust mainly on earth it might be

(01:23:12):
the yellow sun like is like agrowth agent.
Uh, you know, like chloroplastsand stuff so yeah, no that
that'll be getting real sci-fihere folks.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Sorry, we're bringing in chloroplasts here.
Guys, I think we should bringthis podcast to a close, but not
before Anyone else haveanything to say.
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
No, no, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
I want to bring up one last scene, specifically
when Guy Gardner opened up theeye of the kaiju.
That was a reference to thispodcast on how we always say

(01:23:59):
things are juicy, because whenhe was poking the eyeball it was
a very juicy thing.
So, guys, if you liked the showtoday, you like our podcast.
You want to see it relayed tomore folks.
Please be sure to give us ajuicy, eye-wateringly juicy,
five-star review.
You know something that youwouldn't want to poke your eyes
with, but you'd want to pokeyour ears with.
Thanks so much for listening tous here for our 126th episode

(01:24:20):
of Project Ecology.
Again, this is Dakota signingoff with Anthony and Rich, and
we hope you enjoyed our show.
If you want to check out any ofour socials, be sure to click
down into the show notes formore.
Thanks, guys.
See you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Bye, the Wolverine Perfect.

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