Superman: The Movie (1978)

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Christopher Reeve soars into cinema history in 1978's "Superman," a groundbreaking film that established the superhero blockbuster format we know today. Before Marvel, before Batman's dark reinvention, this was the movie that convinced audiences a man could truly fly.

What makes this film so captivating decades later isn't just its place in history, but how it fearlessly embraces both cosmic scale and intimate humanity. From the crystalline landscapes of Krypton to the bustling newsroom of the Daily Planet, the film takes viewers on a journey that feels both alien and deeply familiar. Reeve's performance remains the gold standard for superhero portrayals - his ability to transform between the regal Man of Steel and the bumbling Clark Kent with nothing more than posture, voice, and confidence is a masterclass in acting that later Superman actors still measure themselves against.

The film's vintage charm extends to its supporting cast and villainous plot. Margot Kidder's Lois Lane balances professional ambition with romantic vulnerability, while Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor occupies an underground lair beneath Grand Central Station that ranks among cinema's most memorable villain headquarters. The special effects, revolutionary for their time, might seem quaint today but still evoke wonder in their creativity and ambition. When Superman reverses Earth's rotation to turn back time - a moment of pure comic book logic - the film confidently embraces its fantastical nature rather than apologizing for it.

Superman (1978) wasn't constrained by established superhero formulas because it was creating them. This freedom allowed for creative choices that modern superhero films might shy away from, yet they contribute to the film's enduring charm. Want to understand why superhero films dominate today's box office? Look no further than this pioneering classic that made us all believe a man could fly. Watch (or rewatch) it today and experience the birth of a genre that would eventually reshape cinema itself.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fresh off the heels of last week's Superman movie,
we take you back, ladies andgentlemen.
Yes, yes, we can run as far asto Superman, spin this earth
backwards and bring us back to1978.
This week's episode of ProjectGeekology, we will be covering
Superman, the movie from 1978.

(00:21):
I can't do it alone, of course,and I'm joined, as always, with
Dakota, and the lovelyintroduction was presented by
Rich.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I don't believe that he, you know, told us who he was
.
But, rich, good to have you onthe podcast, as always, and I'm
always pleased to be joined with.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Anthony, and you know , rich, rich, that was actually
pretty good, because that wassomething that I was thinking in
my mind too, like you know thethought of, you know, flying the
podcast back and bringing theearth all the way to 1978 to
cover this movie.
So see, clever so you and I,you and I were thinking that
that same thing.
But yes, just as rich had said,we are covering superman, the

(01:06):
movie 1978, starring christopherreeves.
And yeah, man it, it had been aa good little while since I had
seen that.
But before we hop into superman, the movie dakota, what have
you been up to, um?

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I I know that this is a layup because, um, I happen
to be telling a funny storyprior to the podcast.
Anthony's like, shut up, tellit on the podcast.
So you know, as far as what I'vebeen up to this past week, not
a whole lot.
Um, a new avatar book, likeavatar.
The last airbender book cameout, so I'm excited to dive into

(01:44):
that when I get the opportunity.
I did write a video script, um,which hopefully I will have out
by the time that this video orthis podcast is out.
Um, specifically about thesuperman timeline uh, for the
2025 film, not for this movie.
That's pretty cool.
I found some really cool eastereggs and hidden meaning um, in

(02:05):
like that's like layered intothe structure of the timeline of
the movie.
It's it's really.
I think it's a reallyfascinating concept.
But, um, as far as the storythat anthony uh required me to
tell on the podcast, I have togo back a previous week.
I have to go back back toDisney World, where I was a
couple weeks back.
I have a or I had posted apicture online of me eating a

(02:31):
foot-long hot dog, a massiveglizzy.
I have a hot dog hat, or I havea hat that says bad day to be a
hot dog and I have, like theyou know Cinderella's castle in
the background.
It's a gorgeous photo.
It's you know, cinderella'scastle in the background.
It's a gorgeous photo.
It's one of my favorites.
It's one of my best one of thehighlights of my life?

(02:51):
Really no, but it was.
The background of that is alittle scary, because I was
struggling to eat that hot dog,even though I knew I had to.
I knew I had to.
I knew at least mybrother-in-law, who was with us,
had been so excited to see medown another footlong hot dog
from Casey's Corner, as heremembered so fondly from our

(03:13):
first trip over Disney Worldtogether.
So anyway, I in my infinitewisdom bought this hat that says
Bad Day to be a hot dog, and Ibought it specifically for
baseball games.
But it came in like a monthlater.
So I had been to a couple gamesand I just, I just did not have
the hat at hand.

(03:34):
So I brought it to disney world.
I thought it would be a funopportunity to relive my glory
days at casey's corner downinganother footlong lizzie.
But anyway, halfway through theday it was extremely hot in, you
know, central Florida.
We decided to leave MagicKingdom resort, hop over to some
of the resorts you know.
You go to the, you get on themonorail, you go to the

(03:55):
contemporary resort, thePolynesian, the Grand Floridian,
then back to Magic Kingdom.
We went to the Polynesian.
We were hoping to get you knowsome drinks or whatever.
Stay out of the heat.
We ended up getting areservation to Ohana, which is
like one of the best restaurantsin the Walt Disney World bubble
.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I thought that was small and broken, wasn't it?
But still good.
Say that again, wasn't Ohana?
Small and broken, but stillgood.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I see what you're doing there.
Yes, cheap, cheap Lilo andStitch joke, cut it out of the
show.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I'm sorry, just go back to what you were saying.
I'm an asshole.
I was so excited when I heardyou say Ohana.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Oh, no.
Well, I mean, it is thePolynesian resort.
There is a big Stitch presencethere in terms of like the
merchandise and everything atthe resort.
But yeah, this is more like atiki themed place.
But yeah, the restaurant iscalled ohana.
It's all you can eat.
They have like the best sesamenoodles ever.
So I was just, you know, goinghard midway through my day
eating sesame noodles and then,you know, I was absolutely
stuffed again.
It's all you can eat.
You just, you know, keep, you,keep ordering more.
Anyway, we go back to the parklater in the day, we enjoy the,

(05:05):
the fireworks show, like at 9o'clock or 10 o'clock or
something like that, and thenthe park's open for another hour
after that point.
And that's when I decided allright, let's go to Casey's
Corner.
I've had enough time to letthis settle into my system.
I have enough room, guys, I didnot have enough room.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
By the time.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I was halfway through at foot long six inches deep.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
That sounds so wrong Anyway.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
I looked at Rich immediately after he said that.
I looked at Rich to see whathis reaction was going to be.
Ladies and gentlemen, a highschool teacher I do not have a
straight face If things likethis happen in the classroom.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
It just happens.
I can't control myself.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Dakota.
It sounds like that hot dogmade it a bad day for you.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
It could have.
Yeah, it almost did.
I was really struggling and mywife Jen, she looked over at me
like this is something that wewere really excited about.
This was something that we weregoing to end our trip on
Dakota's.
Going to eat another footlonghot dog with that stupid hat.
We're going to take pictures,yeah.
So I did end up eating it.
But you know, my wife is justlike, oh, if you're, you know,

(06:17):
if you're not feeling it, youdon't have to.
And then my brother-in-law camein with the pep talk like dude,
we didn't come all the way fromNew York just for you to cag
out right here right now.
And you know, he like startedlike berating me, like, dude,
you got to do this.
This is, you know, like this isa really important.
I was like, oh God.
So I just looked up, I was justlike, and I ate the rest of the

(06:39):
hot dog.
And then we went on Pirates ofthe Caribbean.
There's like a 15-foot drop.
It's not like a big drop oranything, it's barely anything.
But I felt it.
I felt it and I was I canimagine.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I'm pretty sure every step was like a sloshing just
effect going on in your stomach.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I was so close to making that sweet sweet water
smell in the Pirates of theCaribbean ride not smell like
that sweet sweet water smell inthe Pirates of the Caribbean
ride, did not smell like thatsweet sweet water smell, but
anyway, I survived the food,stayed down and got 12 inches
deep.
Joey Chestnut would be proud.
Joey Chestnut would be proud.

(07:17):
Actually, I think that wasright around the same day that
they had the Nathan's.
Sorry, that was my phone.
I think that was the same dayas the nathan hot dog thing.
Guys, enough of me.
Uh, I'm gonna throw it back toanthony.
Uh, what have you been up?

Speaker 3 (07:31):
to sir.
Well, so it's only been whatlike like two whole days since
we last recorded.
So I mean, since then I hadfinished up the convention.
I'm going to be honest with you, man, after, like you know, I
guess, like waking up and likekind of recording, I kind of

(07:52):
like chilled back and I almostdid not make it that third day.
I just kind of wanted to likerelax.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I knew that was going to happen.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
But I did Well.
But the thing is is that I didend up going back to the
convention, and I'm glad I did.
I did pick up a couple things.
I got a like a one piece, likelittle, uh, like a small, like,
um, like messenger bag thing,and I got like this, um, this
like final fantasy, uh, finalfantasy nine a bento box and it

(08:23):
came with with like a, aninsulated bag that had like a
chocobo on it.
It's really really cool, um, Igot, I got.
I have to show you all.
I'll take a picture, oractually I have pictures.
I'll send it to you guys in alittle bit.
But then I also walked aroundand I happened to see dakota's
uh, best friend over there.
I have a.
Yeah, dakota has a best friendover there I have a.

(08:44):
yeah, dakota has a best friend,you know, you know Dakota.
A little while back, dakota andI we had covered the acolyte
and on his geek critique channelhe had made a video about the
acolyte pretty much saying, um,every time, every time the

(09:05):
acolyte broke canon, but notreally so, like you know, he's
being ironic with it and dude,like hair in my mouth hated that
I got interrupted by hair, um,and so you know a part.
I mean you, you were callingout like a couple of people, but
like one of those people theythat were in that group was uh,
star wars theory and he was atthe.

(09:27):
He was at the convention.
I saw his, his, um lightsaberbooth.
I was like, oh, saber theory.
I knew that that was his uhbrand and I was like, okay, like
I'm, and I was like wondering,I was like, oh, is he here?
And like he, I didn't see him.
And then all of a sudden, likehe just kind of popped up and I
was like, oh, crap, there, crap,there goes Dakota's boy.
So you know, right then, andthere, like right, when I text

(09:48):
that, like was right, when Ilike noticed it, like almost
immediately, I sent that messageto you guys.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I just imagine like you're looking at his booth
You're not seeing anyone andthen you like turn around and
you look down the aisle and it'sjust like in a black cape and
kind of like that Rogue Onescene where the saber just
unsheathes, and it's just like,oh god, here we go.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, I know that I don't hate the guy.
I don't hate the guy.
I know you don't.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I think right now the grift has taken him to places
he shouldn't go.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
No, jedi should go, it's not his fault, and darth
plagues was right there watchinghim.
So would.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Would you say that he had taken a hold of the red
kryptonite?
Yeah, or red kyber crystal,which?
Would be like the star warriorsequivalent of red kryptonite
the red kyber night.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, absolutely the red kyber night.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
I like that, uh, no.
So, yeah, that was, that wasinteresting, uh.
But yeah, no, I I I had a, Ihad a good time, man, I always
have a good time.
I, you know, met up with somefriends and and hung out, I kind
of I got back into, well, I Ishowed you that I had gotten
back into, uh, magic, thegathering, and I I I sent you a

(11:07):
picture of that, that titus cardthat I have oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, I think you did yeah, so so, yeah, I have like a
final fantasy 10 deck and afinal fantasy 14 deck and so I
had gotten some, um, like amagic deck box oh, that's right,
because they had, uh, they hadthat final fantasy deck box.
Oh that's right, because theyhad, uh, they had that final

(11:28):
fantasy, yes, pack that came out.
They, they brought me in, but I, I only play, I only play um a
version of the game calledcommander.
It's like a multiplayer versionof magic it's like a four
player right, right, right.
You can play like four or five,six players, like you could play
with a bunch of people, the.
But the more you add, the moretime you're adding to that
because, like I used to playstandard, I know you like dude.

(11:48):
You remember I used to likeplay magic back in the day.
It's just standard got too much, it's too expensive, the
rotations are terrible.
But with commander you can playold cards there's yeah it's a
lot friendlier and and easier inthe pocket.
So I was sold.
And then final fantasy came outwith commander decks and I was
like, yeah, I'm in, especiallythat final fantasy 10 one.

(12:10):
But dude, you and I we were.
We were like crazy for finalfantasy 10 back in the day.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
So, yeah, I was sold on that one they, uh, they
recently announced a avatar thelast airbender.
Yes, uh, set, that's coming outlater this year and it looks
really cool because the I meanit looks cool because it's
avatar.
But, um, the first card thatthey showed uh at the of, you
know, like, when they firstannounced it, was a drawing from

(12:40):
uh brian konyetsuko, which isone of the two creators of the
original series.
So he's still doing art foravatar and he's still doing like
, original art for, or he'sstarting to do, original art for
, this magic set, which isawesome.
You know, like that they'rebringing in not just like their
own group of artists to work on,you know, avatar, the last
airbender, but they're actuallybringing the original artists as

(13:02):
well yeah, yeah, no, I I agreeit's.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, man, it it's.
It's been a good time.
But, yeah, having going to tosuper con, I don't know.
Like I remember last year theyhad some sort of partnership
going on with uh crunchy roll,because they had like this
crunchy roll kind of sectionupstairs and they're the the
like badges had like differentanime, and then the press pass

(13:30):
actually had like the crunchyroll um, the mascot, uh, uh,
crunchy roll Hime, and so, likethis year it didn't have that,
it was more of like just likeMiami kind of Miami vibes.
The press pass one was like, uh,like one of those like you know
, cuban cafe, like walk-ups thatyou would go to in miami, or uh

(13:52):
, there was like a gator on one,a beach chair on another, like
kind of like you know, likesouth florida vibes.
That's what it was.
So I don't know if, like, theydidn't have like a I mean they
have sponsors, but like I don'tthink like a major one like
crunchyroll was or partnership,but I mean, I still, I still had
a good time, man, you know,they, they there's always like

(14:14):
really cool, like places to likehang out when you, when you
don't want to walk aroundanymore.
They had this like whole uhkind of dnd slash, like I guess
piratey vibe going on in one ofthe ballrooms and like they had
some events going on there.
And another room was like oneof the the.
It was like a game room, solike they had a bunch of like

(14:37):
pcs and then like consoles allthe way from, like you know,
back in the day, like supernintendo, all the way up to you
know, ps5 and stuff, so thatthat's always fun.
Yeah, like whenever I need tolike take a break from like
walking around.
Um, like, I'll go to like oneof those rooms, or you know, if
there's not like a panel that Iwant to go see.
Oh, you, you know, uh, yourgirl, your girl, billy piper was

(15:00):
there my girl yeah, your girl.
Yeah, the bad wolf doctor I've.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I've never met her, I thought.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I thought his girl was madame, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
you knew her for years, dakota my, my girl is
whoever, whoever, whoever I saidno, but yeah, billy piper was
there.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Uh, christopher eccleston was there too that's
awesome yeah, so yeah, yeah, Ithought that was interesting.
I, I feel like I would havecared a little bit more if I was
a bit more invested in doctorwho, like I, it's just like that
that high for me with doctorwho just like went away and I

(15:42):
would say like kind of towardsthe end of of uh capaldi, and
then after that like I just felloff completely, like I just
felt like I was watchingsomething different.
But you know I digress, youknow I I'm gonna move on from uh
convention talk and I'm goingto curveball it over to rich I'm

(16:03):
actually.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'm actually going to make a little bridge here and
then I'm going to circle it backand then we'll get it to the
show.
So bridge the tickets.
My son and my wife are going togo to.
Charlie and Lauren are going toAnimeCon here in New York.
I think it's in August.
The tickets just came in, sothey'll actually be going.

(16:26):
So in a couple of weeks I'llgive you guys updates on their
costumes.
I know that they're going, as Ibelieve, characters from Dragon
Ball, but I have to doublecheck this.
He somehow convinces my wife toactually cosplay.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
That's cool, though.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
That's fun yeah so it's the one I don't go with
them.
So the report afterwards willbe a little bit weird.
I'll get, like some, somesecond hand from charlie.
But and then, uh, to circle itback to your hot dog story, uh,
and to kind of layer in a littlebit of baseball, as anthony
always loves, uh, tuesday is afive dollar dog night at city
field.
I could not believe it.

(17:02):
Could not believe it last night, uh, we went there and there
was, it was basically sold out.
It was sold out.
It was a nightmare.
I walked in and immediatelybefore I got to the seats, I got
hot dogs.
And just went to the seatsbecause I knew, uh, by the end,
by like the fifth inning, therewere like 75 people deep in the
food lines trying to get hotdogs.
But, um, I did get four hotdogs, I did eat them without a

(17:24):
problem.
And then, uh, as we wereleaving, my wife said you know,
thank you, because it was justus.
It was kind of like a datenight, you know.
She's like you know, thanks fordinner.
And I was like, uh, you got twohot dogs, like that's not, I'm
not, I'm not taking, you know.
And she was like but I had, youknow they were good and I had a
good time.
And I said that I felt I'm notsure if I felt shame for having

(17:50):
somehow lowered my wife'sstandard so much that she was
thankful to have two hot dogs inthe mess game, um, or immense
pride that I have I have donethis.
I'm not sure which one it is.
It's's probably a bit of both,yeah, but I'll tell you my
thoughts on this movie are not abit of both.
So maybe we want to launch intothis.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Let's do it, guys.
20 minutes into the pod.
Let's cover Superman the movie.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Should we fly into it ?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Let's start slow.
We'll just leap over tallbuildings for the, for the, you
know start of this.
All right, folks, christopherReeve, he's the first that
really made people think that,you know, a man could fly.

(18:46):
This isn't a joke, this isn'tlike I'm not laying up you, you,
you both look like I'm about tosay something really funny.
I'm just, I'm just starting toget into the conversation of of
all this.
What did, what did we think ofthe beginning of this movie,
because there's a lot ofpreamble before we actually even
get to the man of steel uh notnecessarily the movie, but you

(19:08):
know the, the guy in the the redcape.
Uh rich, we'll start with you.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
You seem to have the most to say about this all right
, look, I have not seen thismovie in a very long time.
I have, I don't, I would.
I'm not going to say I havelike encyclopedic knowledge, but
I do have a good workingknowledge of most superhero
movies.
Uh, I have a, you know, likebatman 89, although I was, uh, I

(19:35):
think I was seven when Ireceived that for christmas that
year or something like that, orthe next year.
I think I got it in 90.
You know, I, I watched that tapetill it was, you know, I mean,
just bare and could barely playanymore this one.
So the what is it?
45 minutes before we get toadult, uh, clark is I was not

(19:56):
prepared for that.
You know, like every minutethat passed, I'm like all right,
we're gonna move it along here,folks, and and okay, so I'm not
even sure if I should keepgoing.
I, I, the scenes on krypton weremind-boggling to me.
So I don't understand, likerichard donner, you couldn't get

(20:16):
, I don't know, 200 freakingkids and adults of varying ages
to make me feel like Krypton isa planet that is actually dying
and about to explode.
Instead, it's like the councilpeople.
Like they're like oh no, andit's like a bunch of old dudes
and like it's like they gettheir just desserts right, like

(20:38):
the council does, because theydidn't listen to uh Jor-El, uh,
who is a little full of himself,but you know, whatever, uh, uh,
he does seem to get turned onreally quickly like, hey, I just
helped you guys.
You know, lock up the worstthree people in the history of
krypton.
It's like three weeks later, ifyou do this, you shall be bad.

(20:58):
Like what are you what?
The lack of faith in him?
Like hey, look, I know theyhave to do a lot of backstory,
they'd have to do a lot ofexposition, but maybe you don't
even need to make it thiscomplicated.
Maybe you don't have to make itthat complicated, because I
don't, it's, it is it is a lot,and it's not even just

(21:19):
exposition for this movie.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
It's exposition for the sequel?

Speaker 1 (21:23):
yeah, because you need to have that's.
It's like the only reason youhave this odd scene right is so
that you know they're they'refront loading the zod stuff for
the second movie.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, now, I I do agree that while I didn't
dislike it, I I actually wasreally intrigued by all of it.
I love the.
Uh, I love like the 60ies andseventies, like campy futuristic
, like sci-fi world.
Flash Gordon like old doctorwho I love that stuff, it just.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
I just I like how they're like clothing, look like
something out of Tron too Like,or Tron would have gotten that
from this movie.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I'm actually a little confused about how they did
that.
Like what?
What kind of material was that?
Where was?

Speaker 3 (22:06):
so shiny like it was so reflective.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, it's like a foil, almost.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Uh, that's crazy.
Um, you, you know what effectthat I like that was like kept
years later was, um, whengeneral zod ursa and non that
they, when they were sent to thePhantom Zone, that same effect.
They use that in later Supermanstuff and they use it in

(22:35):
Smallville, remember, when hegets sent to the Phantom Zone,
and it's literally that sameeffect of them in in like a flat
, just a flat dimensionalsurface.
I like that.
That's like just been used,like that thing has not been
updated at all.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Can I just say like the Phantom Zone is the hardest
sound Like.
It's like the most metaldescriptor for like a prison
ever, like the you're going tothe phantom zone like it sounds
cool, you know, you know likeand it's also it's even worse
than like a regular prison too.

(23:14):
So, yes, like there's no escapeyeah, it's, it's uh, it's a good
time in there, but somehow theythey do escape.
Yeah, well, you know we'll haveto get to that eventually, but
for now this is all exposition,and there's a lot of exposition

(23:34):
because it doesn't end there.
We see quite a bit of Clarkflying through the cosmos, going
to Earth.
We get a lot of him inSmallville like a surprising
amount, like more than Iremembered.
Again, this is a movie that Ihaven't seen in at least 10 to
15 years.
My wife had never seen it, sothat means it's got to be at
least 15 years since I had seenit last, because I would have

(23:55):
seen it with her.
So that was something.
So, again, a lot of this wasnew, new enough for me that,
like, this revisit, uh was wasworth doing at this time.
So I'm I'm happy that we, wedid it and, uh, to weigh the
scales a little bit, like as faras like what richard donner did
for, um, all the front loadingof, you know, the backstory of

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superman.
This is, for many people, theirfirst introduction to superman.
You know, like, in the 21stcentury we've had a number of,
we have had like four or fiveshows at this point.
We've had multiple cartoons,we've had multiple different uh
actors play him on the bigscreen and we know the story.

(24:42):
We don't need to be told thestory again and that's why they
don't do it in 2025.
But this is the first major timethat this is being shown for
audiences and I have I never metmy great-grandfather on my
father's side, but I have a nicestory from him because he went

(25:08):
to go see this movie, basicallylike the scene where he catches
lois falling off the dailyplanet building and then catches
the the helicopter.
My grandfather told me like helooked over and he saw my great
grandfather crying, uh, and likethis is the guy who you know
left Star Wars the year priorand said garbage.
So I don't know this man, I'venever met him in my life, but

(25:31):
knowing that this touched him ina way deep down is something
that I'll always think of whenI'm thinking about this movie.
And I think of him and the ideaof him when I think of the
front loading of all thisinformation because, like I
doubt he's that he had everpicked up a comic book.

(25:51):
You know, he, you know, lived in.
He lived in puerto rico hiswhole life until he came to, uh,
brooklyn or whatever, but yeah.
So this was his firstintroduction to superman, so he
needed all that backstory.
Maybe not as much as we wereshown, but I think it's kind of
cool that, like, you get theentire truncated history of you
know cal allen clark camp beforeyou get to, uh, superman.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
I'm not sure if I was a little bit like skewed almost
by watching obviously what wedid last week, uh, because you
know they didn't do any lot ofthat.
And obviously I mean I'm also aguy who you know I read
volume't do any lot of that.
And obviously I mean I'm also aguy who, you know I read volume
two of Wolverine completely.
And there was a certain pointwhere I was like if this
Wolverine guy tells me what hispower set is, one more gosh darn

(26:35):
time I'm going to lose it.
You know I'm like I'm Wolverine, I got you know, and he would
kind of repeat it at thebeginning of each comic.
I guess as an avid fan,sometimes it was a little bit
much and maybe that's.
I still think I'm not wrongabout the Krypton part being
kind of poorly written.
I don't think that you get thefeeling that, like, because I

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don't think the suffering ofKrypton is truly captured and
that could have just been oneroom with like a camera that
just went sideways, which theyhad.
They literally had this.
Just get extras off the streetto, you know.
So it's not just like old dudesfalling over, like it.
I want I hate to say this, butlike you need to see other

(27:17):
children.
Not I don't need to see themdie on camera, but what I'm
saying is like clark got anopera, sorry, kal-el got an
opportunity, and does he?
He also says it a little bitweird here is it just me?
He doesn't say kal-el, he sayskal-el.
Look like I don't know.
He says it kal-el yeah, yeah hesays it a little bit and in a

(27:38):
way, well, whatever, that's justme just being super picky, but
I just feel like there was a wayto demonstrate that like he's
truly krypton's last hope, right, and but, but that there were
also others that could havepossibly, you know, that are
that are suffering, there areother children there that will
never be able to live their lifeout, and I think that that's a

(28:01):
super important part of usknowing about how krypton, what
happens to krypton, and thatkind of loss, uh, so that that
was just a little bit puzzlingto me, you know, and I'm and I'm
really watching it, I am tryingto watch it with a.
This was 1978 and there, and I'mgoing to say this, and, despite
the fact that I'm going totrash it later on and I'm going

(28:21):
to throw it over to anthony, butI, I still appreciate this as
what I truly feel is like thegrandfather of these movies,
right, without Superman, wedon't get.
I don't think we get a Batman,you know, I don't get with, I
don't get.
We think we get some of theother ones that come after this.
So, like it's not perfect andI'm gonna, I'm gonna trash it,

(28:42):
but at the same time like thankyou for this being a thing,
because if not, I don't think wegot to watch what we did last
week fair enough, I'm gonna sendit over to anthony.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
How do you feel about , uh, the, the opening of this
movie, or like how trippy it is,or anything?
What?
What is your heart deemed to tosay about this?

Speaker 3 (29:01):
no, I, I agree that you know that this was.
You know we we had and you saidwe had a portrayal, or we've
had portrayals of Superman priorto this, but I'm going to feel
like this is this Superman islike the first, like real modern
take on Superman and I feellike the that beginning was

(29:25):
needed.
You know that you know a lot ofpeople who do know about, you
know, superman and him beingfrom Krypton.
You know they still didn't see,you know they didn't really see
stuff like that on the screen,you know.
So, even if there, this wassomething that somebody knew,
you know about Krypton beingdestroyed and him and Superman

(29:46):
being sent to to earth, earth.
You know it's still somethingthat like, even as a fan, like
it's, it's cool to see, right,so I don't, I don't have any
issues.
Uh, I give grace to, to, tothem, especially with casting.
I mean, that was like back inthe day, dude.
Like you know, I'm not gonna,I'm not gonna really like rip

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them for not having enoughpeople on Krypton.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
But you got Marlon Brando.
You just you know, like if youhad enough to pay, that's enough
man.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
They paid Brando and Hackney If they only had, if
they only had Jor-El and Laraand Kal-El.
That's it, man.
That's all we needed, bro.
That's all we needed, bro.
That's all we really needed.
No, but it was cool seeing thewhole Phantom Zone effect and
seeing General Zod get sent away, and that pretty much being a

(30:40):
setup for after this sequel.
And I did like you said.
It had been even longer thanyou, dakota, that I had seen
this movie.
I hadn't seen this movie in solong, so it was almost like
watching it for the first timeagain.
You know, like you have likemaybe faint flashes, but nothing

(31:02):
concrete to really be like.
Oh yeah, I remember that, youknow.
So, yeah, I was.
I was pleasantly surprised tosee how long they stuck it out
in in smallville and I didn'teven remember that that like
lana was in this.
So I was like, oh wow, lana wasin this too.
So it was, it was cool, it I?

(31:25):
I thought it was like a cool,like setup.
It sure it took like a chunk ofthe beginning of the movie, but
I feel like, for the time ofwhat and for what came before,
that it was necessary all right,all right, so we finally get to
, or I guess, uh, we, we have togo back a little bit.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
We have an 18-year-old Clark go, you know,
after Jonathan Kent dies, hegets the calling from the
crystals, I guess, that are inthe shed to go find a place
where he can call his Fortressof Solitude, and he does, and

(32:07):
basically he goes into this like12 or 13 year uh retreat where
he just learns about the, thewonders of the universe, which
is kind of cool, I guess.
Um, but I don't know why itneeded to be 12 years.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
uh, maybe just was it 12 years yeah, I mean it seemed
like it was.
I think that's fairly accurate.
It was a long study session.
He made so many flash cardsyeah, 12 years, that's
interesting so that's the youknow like.
I mean I I did like.
The journey now is he is thatcrystal?

(32:47):
I'm confused because he carriesa crystal with him from the
barn that was, uh, you know,with his other, with his like
ship uh, it's a little confusing.
I don't think that that iskryptonite it's just like one of
those, those like informationcrystals, that yeah, okay all
right, because it's just weird.

(33:08):
And then, um, you know later,obviously kryptonite's used I I
do have a question about that,but we're not quite there yet.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
But uh, I'm a little confused yeah, I do have some
questions about that as well.
Uh, like some, some some leapsin judgment were made and I was
hard.
I was having a hard timefollowing um but I think there's
just that smart guys um no, no,I, I, yeah there.
There were a couple times thatthey they lost me going back to
that like I'm I'm thinking aboutit like and why he needed to be

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.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
He needed to like study for like 12 years
christopher, because christopherreeve looked 12 years older
than the other guy.
Maybe, maybe, I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think it's actually more symbolic because I think a
lot of these movies have, youknow, equated Superman with like
a Messiah figure he's veryoften attributed with like Jesus
, like being on the cross orwhatever.
There's a lot of vision,visionary stuff like that in

(34:10):
both Superman Returns and man ofSteel Not so much the Superman
2025, but there is a lot of the.
You know, I'm sending my son tohelp the people of Earth like
Messiah themes in this movie aswell.
So I think it's interestingthat they waited until he was 30
before he started actuallysaving lives.
And if you equate that to jesus, he got baptized at 30 and

(34:35):
that's when he began his earthlyministry.
So I think that's kind ofthat's what I'm interpreting the
the rationale for him, like forthem choosing 30 to be the age
that he started being Superman.
I don't know, I think it's kindof a fun little parallel.
Ultimately, it's just, you know, comparing and contrasting two

(34:55):
different, you know things, butI think it's a fun little nod if
that's actually what they wereintending.
But yeah, so he becomesSuperman.
He immediately goes over to theDaily Planet and he apparently

(35:18):
is a fantastic typer.
He's the fastest typer PerryWhite's ever seen.
So he immediately gets hired on.
What are we thinking about?
The Daily Planet and the interinner machinations of a late 70s
newspaper how it's run I, so I,I, I buy this, um, this worked
for me really well.
Uh, you know, I thought, uh, theactor it was probably like one

(35:40):
of the best sets, actually, likeit was the most like lively and
like energetic, like realisticcorporate vibe thing.
That's that's in this movie.
I don't know.
I thought that.
I thought they did a reallygood job with the daily planet,
you know, just show floor thethe planet was great.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I thought perry was great.
Um, I like jimmy, uh.
I like lois, uh, I don't, and Imean it's 1978, right, so I'm
trying to watch this through achime prism.
But I mean, lois lane issupposed to be the best reporter
on staff and man perry reallygets out of her about her
spelling like two times, likewithin the first, like 10
minutes.
He's like he's like come onlane.
Uh, he's like you know, rapisthas one p, not two, uh, which is

(36:21):
and and I know it's meant tomake him sound like a jerk, but
I think it's a little bit in2025 okay, because obviously in
1970 to had cf78, to have afemale journalist be, you know,
really kind of the best one onthe paper and everything is, is
a big deal right.

(36:41):
So it's almost like they had tokind of juxtapose I mean not
juxtapose it, but they had toundermine her a little bit, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Uh, that's the only thing, because she I don't, I
don't take it that way, I justthink it's comedic relief you
know like she's such a goodreporter.
She's such a good reporter thatshe's not actually she's.
She's doing her job, she justneeds, you know, someone to edit
her her work because, go aheadand have a banter I think so for

(37:08):
me.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I mean, as an english guy, right like you want to cut
me deep, right like you want to, you would come at my grammar
syntax or something like that.
So I I guess, as somebody whoaspired to be a sports
journalist and cares about mywriting and is very, I'm very
careful through the revisionprocess and everything that I do
with my writing.
When he attacked her, I felt itdeep.

(37:29):
I was like bro in front ofother people, like you did that,
like she's your top girl, likewhat are you doing?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
well, I think, like in the scene right before, she
asked like how many t's are inthis word or how many uh, so
like she's conscious of the factthat she's a terrible speller.
Um, even if she is a goodreporter.
So I got it my field.
We haven't actually seen howgood of a reporter she is, but,
um, well, actually we do.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
We do kind of get uh a little bit of that I mean, she
does expose the world, sheunveils what she it's.
I didn't know that she couldn'thave known whatever right, that
anything was going to come ofit, because he's obviously the
only one you could think ofright, but just like, oh, what's
the one thing that he can't seethrough?
Lead right and it immediatelygets written in.

(38:14):
I do like they do someforeshadowing stuff where, like,
even if it's like the most,like the littlest amount they
could possibly do, but like pakent's, like you know he's going
to work on the car.
Hey, pa, don't, don, don'tforget.
You know your heart and theneverything's good for like 14
years and then like that one day, you know, but like I was like
wait, she did say something bythe car.

(38:36):
So in that way, you know, herexposing that, I mean, was
important to the story, becausethen it plays up really, you
know, importantly in the plotlater importantly in the plot
later.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Uh, throwing it over to anthony, what did we think of
the banter between lois andsuperman when he showed up on uh
, their balcony, because I didnot remember this being as
raunchy as it was I like pinkyeah, yeah, I was like really
surprised.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
I was like, oh okay, all right, clark, like you know
what's going on here, like he,he was uh really like tapping
into, um, into, uh, you knowthat that young clark kind of
vigor, something that that likewould have happened in, maybe,
uh, smallville, you know she hadno reservations in asking what

(39:27):
color are my underwear and hehad no reservations in checking,
like that's the craziest thingin a superman movie I think
that's ever happened.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
You know, like he literally turns back time, but
the craziest thing is that hehad no problems looking at it.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Um you, you know, actually, speaking of that, that
so that scene was, you know,actually speaking of that that.
So that scene was like you know, it was really odd and and
obviously, like you know, whenthey're up flying the, the
physics of that was like soweird.
And I know that it's a 1970smovie, but the physics was so

(40:01):
weird Cause it was almost likePeter Pan, like but it's like
did he extend the flight to her.
Does she have flight now?
Because, like, there's no wayunless, like he's going super
fast, that she's going to bestaying alongside him and if
he's going super fast, like shewould be getting dragged.
You know, Like how is sheperfectly like, off to his side,
holding his hand, like that youknow it's like a waiter right.

(40:24):
Like running with the trailerright, like as long as, uh well,
he was holding her hand, likehe wasn't even holding her like
from the bottom, you know, orlike from like her torso.
So I always thought I was likeI was watching, I was like, hmm,
that's interesting.
But you know, it's it's, it'san old movie.
So like I, I give it grace forthat.
But like, if they did somethinglike that nowadays, I would
have been like, you know, wewould be tearing it up like dude

(40:45):
, like how did that happen?
Does she magically fly now?
But yeah, but it was kind oflike a classic Clark and Lois
kind of or Superman and Loiskind of thing.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
It was a visually pleasing scene.
Though it was a nice magicalmoment, I do get the Peter Pan
vibes that you're you knowyou're expressing Like he
offered her some pixie dust andwhile he was holding her hand
she's capable of flight.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
She is, you know, you hear it now Lois Lane can fly.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I mean, they even said.
They even like literally saidlike Peter Pan, right, like it's
almost like they.
They mentioned it like you know.
She's like can I fly with you?
You know like you fly with me?
And then she's like what areyou just some like peter pan?
Oh, so, like it's almost likethey set it up for it to be very
wendy and peter like uh, beforeit even happened, yeah because
she I mean she falls.

(41:44):
I mean she falls for him in whatlike seven and a half minutes
and then she starts thinking.
I thought the disembodied voiceof her, like asking him if he
can read her mind while theywere in the air was a little.
I had completely forgottenabout that part.
But she's like does he knowwhat he does to me?
You know like it gets even moreraunchy this movie is so trippy

(42:07):
.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
This movie is so trippy.
This movie is so trippy fromthe moment we're on krypton and,
like all those people, are likebeing superimposed, falling out
of the you know down the cracksthis guy it was.
I was like whoa, um, and thenyou know all the uh, all the
effects is like baby clark flewover to to earth, like the, the
solar flares and like the, thestardust that he has to fly

(42:32):
through and everything it's.
It's just, it's really cool,like they had, they had a
floating baby upside down for acouple scenes.
There's a lot of really cleverand fun ways that they were, you
know, taking this movie and Ithink the narration of Lois is
just an extension of that and Iturned to my wife while I was

(42:54):
watching it because at thatmoment I kind of realized what
was happening and I actually wasvery pleased by it because this
is essentially the firstsuperhero blockbuster ever.
There had been like Cape moviesbefore this, but they were
usually like straight to TV orwhatever.
This was the first blockbustersuperhero movie.

(43:15):
So there was no structureingrained in the culture of like
what you need to show, what youneed to do to make a good
superhero movie, because therewasn't a good superhero movie
before this.
This was the first realblockbuster um, in that vein.
So it wasn't constrained by theformat and, you know, like the

(43:38):
blueprint that we have forpretty much every superhero
movie that that follows it.
These days, you know, like we wealways, you know, kind of talk
about like maybe not on thispodcast, but it's constantly
brought up that Marvel isformulaic.
But how does that formulaevolve?
It has to start somewhere andthis is the start of that
formula.
This is the blueprint toeverything else that came after

(44:01):
it.
And Rich, you mentioned earlierin the show, you're grateful
for this movie.
I'm grateful for this movie ina similar way, in the sense that
, like this is what an unchainedsuperhero movie looks like.
Like there's no boundaries for,like what they can and can't do
.
They're just having fun with itand, uh, what works works

(44:21):
really well and what doesn'twork is just kind of like, all
right, it's still pretty coolbecause it's Superman.
You know, like I don't know, Ikind of dig it.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I won't lie.
I on one side.
I love the antagonists, I loveall three of them.
I love Miss Tessmacher, I loveLex.
I know he's, you know not baldand everything.
I'm sorry I can.
He's not bald and everything.
I'm sorry I can't remember MrOtis, and Otis is just a

(44:55):
treasure.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Well, I mean, luther is bald, he just wears a wig.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Oh, that's right, okay yeah yeah, he is bald, yeah
, I remember he rips it off.
Yeah, yeah, all right.
I mean, look, gene hackman isjust perfect.
It's, he's diabolical, butyou'll love him.
Right, like it's weird, likehe's not scary to children,
right, he's not like thatimposing, right, like he's not
like, uh, he's, he's not gonnagive you nightmares, right, but

(45:24):
like the man will like, push abutton that pushes a dude in
front of a train.
And I loved, loved theunderground Grand Central, that
he has his own swimming pooldown there and then the tiles.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
The coolest set of all time.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
It's got to be like the coolest, like villain's lair
ever, ever and as a kid likegrowing up in new york city and
you know I used to play likeobviously like into zelda and
stuff and I remember likewaiting for like the subway and
like looking and being like oh,it's kind of like a zelda
dungeon, you know and you knowthere's like hundreds and
hundreds of rooms and cavernsunderneath new york that are
just abandoned and you willnever see the light of day.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
So it's believable.
You know, like we know, thatthose places do exist.
We know that there areabandoned uh, you know whole
train stations and that thatjust exists under the city that
are not visitable anymore.
And even when he says to mrsmucker.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
He's like what more could you want a park avenue
address?
And she's like 300 feet belowthe surface, you know, and it's
just, uh, and I know it'ssupposed.
Look, I know that the conceithere is that they're in new york
and not really like they, likeit's almost admitted that they I
mean he says park avenue, right, I guess it could be metropolis

(46:50):
park avenue, right, uh, but youknow, there is the kind of I
mean anybody who's been to grandcentral, I think well, well, it
is like it is new york, likeeverything in in in the city is
new york.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
They got the statue of liberty there.
They got um, like all thestreets are named as new york
streets.
They they go to grand central,it's grand central.
And like all the all the stopsaround the train station, like
yeah, that was cool.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
I was like, hey, that's the two stops for me yeah
, so it's like it.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
It's clear they clearly just renamed new york
for for this movie, um, and thatthat kind of works, because
metropolis is based off of newyork yeah, pretty much, you know
you know a lot about new york,anthony do I you live here for
six months or so.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Yeah, yeah, that that's uh, that was enough time
to um barely know how to toleave the street that that I was
living on in the surroundingarea um no, I mean yeah, I did
uh like kind of figure out howto you know, it wasn't too hard
to get into the city via trainand you know something that like

(48:00):
you.
You just don't like that.
That's like not a thing here insouth florida.
Like we do have metro rails andstuff and there is like trains
and stuff, but you know it's notlike.
You know we're living.
You know like like for you it'dbe like you know, south of
miami you're not hopping on atrain to get into miami.

(48:21):
You know it's a bus or uber upinto a certain point and then
maybe hopping onto the Metrorail.
But yeah, that digress from thething.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
What are your thoughts on the villains?
How do you feel that theycompare to more recent outings?
Because actually Otis and MissTessmacher are in the new movie.
Miss Tessmacher is the onewho's taking the selfies and
Otis is the black gentleman inthe background of all the Lex
Luthor scenes like pulling thelevers and stuff.
So they are still with us inspirit.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
I definitely liked Lex in this one a lot.
He had that classic villainvibe going on.
He had his own layer and stuff.
But I did like him a lot.
It was a classic Lex Luthor andI thought that the performance

(49:24):
was solid.
It was really good.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I know that you know, like his knowledge of you know
kind of superman and like hisweaknesses and all that stuff
were, you know, I guess kind ofcompressed a little bit, it was
probably the biggest plot holefor me, um, in terms of like how
he could have possiblydetermined that a crystal from

(49:47):
his home world would have theopposite effect on him right um
that was a little bit that wasmy thing kind of.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I was like wait, was this explained?
Did I miss it?
I thought I missed it.
It was not.
I thought I missed it and I washoping that you guys.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
I watched it a second time and I'm like I missed it
again, so I was hoping that youguys would fill me in because
he's like and of course, as youknow, kryptonite's gonna harm
him and it's like, and he's like, and you know, he immediately
puts the lead together, you know, and he's like, I just gotta
fight, you know, and I'm justwow, okay, the lead was was

(50:20):
explained you know that wasexplored nicely they did a good
job.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
They, they could have figured out.
There's so much preamble inthis movie before he becomes
superman.
They could have spent 30seconds just, uh, figuring out.
You know, like, how toincorporate kryptonite slightly
before this moment so that, like, not only the audience but also
, you know, luther can discoverwhat his weakness is, because

(50:47):
his weakness isn't lead or thecolor, apparently a piece of
kryptonite that he was able toquickly make into a giant
pendant, which I thought wasalso awesome, like it was.
It was a cool pendant.
Yeah, if you're gonna drown,drown in style you'll attach a
giant chain yeah, I actuallyreally like that prop.

(51:08):
I think that was a really coollittle little piece of prop
there also.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
This just reminds me, this movie reminds me once
again that it's never a goodidea to take a helicopter yeah,
there seems to be a lot ofhelicopter like act.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I think it's just so fun to watch helicopters explode
and crash and stuff um I meanin real life it is it's?
it's like very harrowing, but onscreen it's so visually
appealing, um, and there'sactually, like you know, there
have like been actors who havedied in helicopter accidents, um

(51:46):
, while filming.
Yeah, I'm not gonna go there,it's.
It gets pretty gruesome, likewhat happens to some of these
like actors who don't make itbecause of helicopter accidents,
uh, while filming.
But I think just the idea of ahelicopter being a dangerous
thing, it's just like a spinningswords in the sky, you know,
like that that carry you, it's,it's, it's cool it's crazy but.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I I thought that the effects there were really cool.
Uh, I thought that that workedreally well and honestly,
christopher reeve, I mean what agreat job of playing two
different characters like just areal, like, even when he seems
like he's going to tell lois atone point, and he's very

(52:32):
confident he's got his glassesoff and then she walks in, he
puts the glasses on and his tonechanges and he's just very
meandering in his speech patternand it's just chef's kiss, like
.
Honestly, it was just amazinglywell done.
I thought that I can't rememberthe new actor's name.
I don't know.

(52:52):
I don't think that that hisSuperman portrayal is bad in any
way, but there's somethingabout Christopher Reeve as
Superman.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
That's just this, I don't know this imposing, regal,
graceful figure and then whenhe's Clark, he shrinks into
himself right it's actually likeum, I've heard it described as
one of the best visual effectsever put on film is is that

(53:21):
ability for him to just gainlike four inches by
straightening up his back,taking off his glasses and
becoming an entirely differentperson.
Because as soon as he likehunches back down and starts
like getting all gangly and liketripping over himself, it's a
completely different performance.
He's playing two differentroles so perfectly and, yeah,
that's, that's a great scene.
I'm going going a little bitback, uh to um, the, the physics

(53:47):
of him holding up lois, as wellas uh, going, you know, and him
catching the helicopter andeverything.
You would think that, like,when he catches the helicopter,
even if you know he's extremelystrong, the weight of the
helicopter would like have himpivot a little bit.
And I'm wondering about, like aline that his mother on Krypton

(54:09):
says to Jor-El Earth's gravitywon't affect him.
And it's almost as if like,like or he'll be able to like
take control of the gravity.
It's almost as if he's playingwith the laws of gravity
whenever he touches something.
And I think that's how theytreat, you know, like the way
that he is able to like liftstuff and like move stuff in

(54:33):
flight with no issues, becauseas soon as he lets go of lois,
that's when she falls like sheloses that touch on his touch on
gravity, basically so I don'tknow, I don't, I don't.
I, that's how I interpreted it,but I could be just, you know,
reading logic where there isn'tanthony.

(54:55):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (54:57):
I think that's a.
I think that's a cool theory.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
You know that he's got a flight touch yeah, I think
, because he kind of does likeas soon as, like as soon as he
grabs anything, like he couldjust start flying.
You know, like it's, it's notan impediment to him yeah, man,
it's, it's definitely.
This movie is definitely a aproduct of its time, though,
like you can tell that it's anold movie what did we think of

(55:23):
luther's plan to make more land,or like get like, uh, not
necessarily make more land, butlike make his land more valuable
bastardly, uh, you know, uh,kind of ridiculous and far.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I mean the man he currently lives in in a subway
station, essentially right, andhe's like, like you know, he got
, he's like my first move.
You know what my first move isgonna be I'm gonna get out of
this stinking joint and make myown country like what, like it's
, but but, uh, it's absurd in aperfect way, right, uh, it's

(56:01):
it's.
You know, there's noincremental like improvement of
himself.
It's like I'm gonna go rightfor this, you know, and I think
that's uh, so it's, you know,and I loved even how, you know,
he was smart enough to shoot two, two nuclear warheads in
different directions so thatClark wouldn't have any time.
And I was down, right, becauseI don't remember it's been a

(56:26):
long time.
So I saw all of them, right,but they're like a mishmash,
right.
So I see I'm like, hey, lois,you might want to get a crevasse
, that's, that's not lookinggreat, right.
And then it starts closing onher.
I'm like, oh, oh, what DoesLois die?
I was floored by the first movie.

(56:50):
Yeah, like it was, it waspretty crazy.
So I, you know, I thought thatthat he was his plan worked,
right.
I mean Superman, big cheated.
I mean, there's no two waysabout it.
Like Luther did not know thatif Superman ran backwards fast
enough, he could.

(57:11):
I'm sorry, not backwards, right?
Is he actually runningbackwards or just runs the other
?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
way.
He's flying in the oppositedirection of the rotation of the
earth to the point where hespins the earth the other way.
Anthony, what were yourthoughts when Lois was dying or
died?

Speaker 3 (57:30):
I like I knew, because I knew that she was like
in the later movie, so I knewsomething was gonna happen.
I just don't remember exactlywhat it was.
So the fact that, like he hadflown I think I kind of
remembered that he flew back,you know the to turn back time,
like he had flown in theopposite direction of the

(57:51):
rotation and and so like I meanthat's very much so like a comic
book thing to do, you know,like oh, we don't have any time
machines, but yeah, let's justmove the rotation of the earth
in the other direction so we canturn back time yeah, I like, I
like the visualization of himflying around the earth.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
I think it's a really cool effect.
I just find that, uh, everyevery other time that he's
flying it looks very slow, youknow, like he's just kind of
like meandering through thescreen.
It's never like a fast zipacross the the footage.
And well, most of the time heis.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
But I feel like in the time that, like with the
whole nuclear thing, he couldhave definitely gotten both of
those easily, like with how fasthe was moving yeah, oh yeah, he
could have gotten both of thoseeasy but yeah, with the other
ones I'll give it like.
You know he's just kind ofchilling.
He's flying.
You know he's on his little.
You know flying date doesn'twant to break lois's neck by
moving that fast but yeah, if hecan move the planet backwards

(58:58):
and turn back time, he hadenough time to stop those nukes
he's kind of like santa claus ina way.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
You know, like he, he's able to be at many places
at once does he have a?
list.
He had to have had a list, orat least like he's got really
good hearing, I guess.
So, you know, he goes to thesan andreas fault, which, by the
way, goes all the way downcalifornia, and he just starts
like fixing things and he justhe fixes everything except

(59:25):
except, you know, like savinghis girlfriend.
So, yeah, that was that wascrazy.
I it seems to me that I havehave the best memory of this
movie of the three of us, so Imust have watched it most
recently, or it must have made abigger impact on just me,
because I do remember this scenevery well.

(59:47):
I'm watching it with my wife,who's never seen the movie, and
she goes wait, she doesn't die.
I'm like first movie too.
I'm playing it up like this, isit, you know?
Like lois lane's dead I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I was honestly on the next one like I know that she
is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
What's?
What was weird about it was itwas just so, like you know, I
have, you know, we know, margotkidder, right, she obviously, I
mean even a family guy, like youknow, she was in more than one
superman, but man, they reallygot me.
Uh, that I.
I won't lie to you now.
Has has superman in the comicsever done this?

(01:00:28):
Has he turned back time just byflying backwards?

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I don't have an answer for you.
Um, I think that might just bea movie thing, because it
doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Okay, all right, because it bothers me.
The Flash has.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Yeah the Flash.
Yeah, I know the Flash, but heruns backwards, doesn't he like
run backwards in time?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Yeah.
Basically he has to run fasterthan the speed of light to break
time and then he's able tochoose where he wants to go.
Yes, speed of light to break,okay, time, basically, and then
he's able to like, choose wherehe wants to go.
Yes, I don't know that supermanwas necessarily flying faster
than the speed of light.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Ah, maybe he was, technically yeah, I mean, maybe
that's the tagline.
I guess that would be likeright, oh no, wait, faster than
a locomotive, quicker thanquicker than a speed of light.
I've speeding, sorry yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
No, you're good, you're good, yeah, so what did
we think of this movie overall?

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
guys, it was an interesting you know I'm gonna,
I'll be honest like if itweren't for this podcast, I
probably wouldn't have revisitedit.
It wasn't something that was onmy, my radar really, you know,
like I've always, you know, beenaware of it and kind of and
remembered that I had seen itbefore and never really had the

(01:01:42):
the desire to.
But you know it was, it was afun revisit and you know, I did
have a good time.
But, um, yeah, man, it's uh.
Yeah, man, it's yeah, dude,superman.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Superman, rich.
So I nitpicked a whole lotthroughout this show.
There are things that Istrongly.
I didn't like the exposition, Ithought, but I guess maybe
that's how you get Marlon Brandoto be in it.
Anyway, I didn't like some ofthe exposition parts, but I did

(01:02:19):
love the casting.
I thought christopher reeve'sacting is unbelievable and I
thought that uh, licks luther isfantastic.
I was a otis and tess mucker.
I liked the, the actualenvironment.
I mean that might be new yorkbase, uh based kind of stuff,
but I really did find it to beperfect in that way.
And yeah, I mean, it caught meby surprise.

(01:02:40):
I know, lois died, whoa, youknow.
And then he and I like how I dolike how he kind of calmly puts
her in his, in her place, andshe's like you know, like you
could have been helping out here, you know.
And Jimmy's like, yeah, youjust love the other side of the
road, and he's like, yeah, youjust left me on the side of the

(01:03:03):
road and he's like I was takingcare of some, you know.
And she's like, oh, like,without him having to say
anything.
She's like, all right, I, youprobably were, you know, and I I
just think it so overall, likeif this came out in you know
2025, I would just break it overthe co, but it came out in 1978
and it paved the way, so Ithink it's historical viewing
right.
I'm not going to go out and sayif you haven't seen this, you

(01:03:26):
need to, but if you're a fan ofthe superhero genre, I think
that this is definitely worth awatch to see where we've come
from.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Yeah, I agree with you like just to kind of like
piggyback on christopher reevesportrayal of superman.
He did do a really good joblike he.
He was a fantastic superman.
He was also a really good clarkkent like he.
Like he made it believable thatthere were two different people
like his, his portrayal, bothlike he.
Like I was actually reallyimpressed with how well he was

(01:04:02):
like the nerdy guy tripping overhimself in the Daily Planet.
But then also this guy that'scatching helicopters and defying
gravity and extending flightcontrol or flight powers to
other people extending flightcontrol or flight powers to
other people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Of all the actors who've played a major motion
picture superman you know I'mchristopher reeve, brandon ruth,
um, henry cavill and now davidcorn swept we've totally,
totally paved the way in termsof like, how to play clark kent
like he nailed and superman.
I don't know that before what,before re-watching this, I

(01:04:43):
honestly probably would havesaid he was the best clark kent,
but now watching, I wouldn'thave said that he was the best
superman.
Now that I've re-watched this,I almost he might be the best
superman like.
He's just so, like you said,regal, like it.
It feels so natural for him tobe superman.

(01:05:05):
The suit fits him so well.
He's not overly strong or bulky, he just takes every scene.
You and I think that that'sawesome.
Yeah, no, it's.
I actually really likedrevisiting this movie.
I feel like I probably view itmost positively of the three of
us just because I was justhaving such a fun time

(01:05:28):
throughout it and I didn't.
I don't have a lot ofcriticisms in terms of stuff
that I would criticize moviesnowadays for, but yeah, no, I I
really think that this is a afantastic movie regardless.
You know, it's a visuallybeautiful movie.
There's so much that you canjust look at and enjoy about

(01:05:48):
this movie.
When it comes to like itsactual relevance today, I think
it is still relevant.
Supposedly, apparently, kevinFeige before the start of every
movie he sits with the directorof said movie and watches
Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
So that they can just experience it.
I don't know if he does thatfor repeat directors or what,
but I think it's kind of a coolconcept that this is such a and
I don't even know if that's atrue story.
It's something that he hasclaimed he's done, but people
claim things all the time.
I just think it's a.

(01:06:29):
It clearly is still influentialif it's influencing modern
filmmakers today.
So, yeah, if you haven't seenthis movie, don't knock it.
Definitely give it a watch.
It's the start of much of whatwe know and love today.
So, all that being said, thankyou guys for listening to us
here for our 127th episode ofproject geekology.
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Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Right, anthony yeah, yeah, I, I'd appreciate if it
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We have to.
We're going back and forthbetween juicy and crunchy uh for
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