The Fantastic Four: First Steps (2025)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to episode 128 of Project Geekology.
We, here, the Fantastic Three,are going to give you all the
news about the Fantastic Four,or Five, depending on who you
ask.
I am one third of your host,anthony, and joining me, as
always, is Dakota and I lovethat.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
The Fantastic Three Alright, yeah, and that's a
really good point.
Depending on who you ask,depending on how you count,
there may be four, there may befive fantastic individuals in
this movie, uh, maybe even more,depending on you know what you
decide to count.
You know, like, we'll find outin a bit, uh, but we're joined,
us always again with rich.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I'm really excited to be here.
I'm just I don't know if wecould do this podcast today,
guys.
The truth is, the price mightbe too high.
So I don't know if you guys aregoing to hear a podcast after
this, because the sacrifice thatwe're all making, that we're
being asked to make, is just waytoo much.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Specifically by Galactus.
Yeah, he asked for a Switch 2.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Do you know how hard that is?
You got to get a tracker onyour laptop, ignore all of your
classes and then just wait untilyou can get that system.
And then he asked for GrandTheft Auto VI.
That's not coming out untillike 2029.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
If that, yeah, now Galactus asks a price way too
high.
But before we get into any ofthat, let's jump into what we've
been up to this past couple ofweeks, because we've been a
awful week.
If you'd like to skip to ourdiscussion of fantastic four,
jump to minute marker 1745.
Uh, anthony, want to start usoff?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
yes, I can, uh nothing too major.
I have been messing around withthe battlefield 6 beta, uh that
that dropped, uh I was playingthe the early access for that
and then just, uh, just to kindof like I guess, touch my bait,
the basis I don't.

(01:52):
I want to, um, get a little bitmore of like a concise overview
of my time at uh, super conwithout I guess going, guess
going too deep or too much timeinto it.
But yes, I know, I think thelast episode we recorded I
talked a little bit more aboutit.
It was kind of broken up alittle bit, but I really did

(02:15):
want to kind of talk a littlebit more of my overall thoughts
of super con this year.
Super con this year I felt alittle bit more disappointed
than than last year.
Last year I felt like they werereally like trying to like move
up.
They had they had, like this I,I guess a partnership going on

(02:37):
with crunchy roll.
They had all of critical role.
They had a bunch of baldur'sgate three people they there's
just a lot of people that I felt.
I felt like there was a.
There was a large step that wasbeing taken last year and I
felt like that step was like astep back this year because,
like last year, even like their,their badges had, like you know

(02:59):
, anime and Crunchyroll themedstuff, whereas this year was, I
mean, which it's fine, becauseit's miami, you know, it was a
bunch of like miami stuff, likea beach.
One had like a beach in a beachchair, um, another was like a
gator, another was, like youknow, one of those like walk up
cafe places that you would go to, you know, for your cuban

(03:20):
coffee, but you feel it was astep down from the cultural
impact that a con should have.
Right, it felt a little smallertoo.
It was still big but it felt alittle smaller.
I don't know if more peoplewent this year.
I think a lot more people wentlast year.
I mean the traffic was stillbad, but for some reason the

(03:42):
traffic just didn't seem as badthis year.
I was like man, are there?
There's like a lot of people,but like I, it was noticeable.
There was like to me a littlebit of a noticeable difference.
But you know, I mean I had fun.
Yeah, I went around, I shopped.
You know, I had like the, theofferings I I told I already had
told you before that your, yourbuddy star wars theory was

(04:03):
there, but overall did you havea good time oh yeah, of course I
always have a good time.
Uh, I just hope that that readpop really, like you know, puts
in maybe not at the same scaleas new york comic-con, but a
little bit more, if that makessense, I really do hope that
they they work on that.
Um, you know, maybe, you know,maybe there's a little fatigue

(04:26):
because, also because I do goalmost every year, I think I
need to find a new con to, uh,to actually, um, you know, visit
and you know, cause.
Each con feels the same, but theofferings are different, you
know.
And then you know the peoplethat were there.
You know they had Billy Piperand Christopher Eccleston.
10 years ago I would have caredabout that, you know.

(04:48):
You know they had Chris Sabatand and Eric Vale.
They're like really, you know,they're they voice in Dragon
Ball Z Chris Sabat, does youknow All Might and and my Hero
Academia, uh, eric Vale, uhTrunks, and then, and then he's
also sanji from one piece.
So I mean they had some decentpeople there.

(05:10):
I just I feel like it wassmaller.
The scale was definitelysmaller, which isn't bad to me
if I'm going to a smallerconvention, but if you're trying
to be like the largestconvention in south florida,
don't scale back.
I guess I don't know they hadenough.
There was enough room.
There's a whole other side.
Last year they were using thebackside of where the will call

(05:33):
area was.
This side, that whole side waslike, you know, just the will
call, just that alone.
So I was like it already feltsmaller, like when I walked in.
So but I mean, you know, Iguess that that could be.
You know, that's just like agripe that might not hit too
hard, you know, for a lot ofpeople.
But you know, yeah, just justmy, my overall thoughts, um,

(05:56):
let's uh throw it over to rich.
What have you been up to rich?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
richard, let's see, uh first.
Uh, I just came rich related myuh, my wife and son are
actually gonna go to anime conup here in new york city on the
24th of august, so after thatshow I am not going.
I am persona non grata in myhouse for not agreeing to go
months ago.
Fantasy football draft that day.
But I uh, I don't know he'sbeen getting into it.

(06:23):
He just came home today with avegeta.
He went, they went to japanvillage in brooklyn in the city
and they he got a pick.
He got a couple of dragon ballz guys that he's very excited
about back up.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
There's a japan village in brooklyn yep where
have you been?

Speaker 3 (06:37):
dakota I can ask my wife more information?
I usually those are just likesee it.
A lot of it is the fact thatthe anime is like their thing,
almost you know, sure, okay, soit's their bond.
Yeah, and like he, I don't, Ilook I we just probably video
games for you too yeah, yeah,video games and sports for for
us, you know, um, but I'm not uh.

(06:58):
And also, like you know, they'llget ramen and I.
We just had ramen the other day, so I was like I'll peace out
on that, but he got some coolstuff from that.
Of course, I've been to a lotof baseball and it's been
depressing, but I won't reallyexpand on that too much,
although I did have a hugevictory.
My mother-in-law is a huge Metsfan and she never goes to games
ever, despite the fact that Igo to 40 a year and invite her

(07:18):
all the time, and I actually didinvite her.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
She made it to one.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
She made it Nice, so she said she had a good time
Might go again, so you neverknow you never know.
And I guess the other thing isI'm kind of like Roger Ebert now
, I just go to the movies allthe time.
So since we last, since thesummer right, we've done
Superman, I obviously saw that,saw Fantastic Four, saw Jurassic
Park Rebirth, saw Jurassic ParkRebirth, and then we're going

(07:42):
to go see Bad Guys thisWednesday Bad.
Guys, a couple of good movies,really enjoying them.
I thought Jurassic Park waswhat it was going to be.
It was just cool to kind of seeit overall.
Hot conflict yeah, it wasreally weird to see that chick
from the Red Room suddenly bewith dinosaurs.

(08:05):
Romanoff yeah, it made sense,though, because a mercenary, so
uh, uh, which I thought was kindof she had that skill set yeah
but that's really yeah, that'sbeen uh, just kind of uh, you
know summer, so I did anotherlord of the rings rewatch and uh
, of course, that's about it.
How are you deck?
What have you been up to?

Speaker 2 (08:21):
really quick, anthony .
You you said that you youwatched the naked gun recently.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, yeah I was just thinking about that.
Yeah, I, I saw the naked gun.
I went with, um, my, mystepfather, uh, I was.
I was pleasantly surprised.
It was actually like reallygood, and it pulled it off
because, you know, I don't knowif you saw the original with uh,
leslie nielsen, but, like youknow, it's like very kind of
slapstick, just you know, verybrunt, stupid humor.

(08:48):
But I and I was like man, howhow is uh Liam Neeson gonna do
it?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I'm so used to him being the action guy, right,
yeah and so or the very stoicguy he's never been comedy guy
in my, my book, yeah and so he,he maintains that he is the
stoic guy but he does it likefunnily, you know, like he's
funny with it.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
So, yeah, no, I was really surprised they they had
some like running gags going onthroughout the film.
That like really was funny.
Yeah, no, it was good.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I, I had fun and and I don't know if you noticed that
like it rated like pretty highso everyone that I see in my my
circle on twitter, uh, I, I'm,I'm primarily in like film
twitter section of twitter.
They seem to have really enjoyedit because of the fact that
you're gonna laugh at some point, you're gonna laugh a lot
actually because there's about a, there's a joke every 20
seconds roughly, you know likeit's that, like packed with gags

(09:39):
, so, um, and a lot of timeslike they, they play off of each
other, apparently the gags.
So yeah, I've heard good things.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, no, definitely it was a fun time.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Good Jumping over to me.
I had a lot going on this pastcouple of weeks, but stuff that
I've been getting into recentlyis I watched the Big Lebowski
for the first time.
That was mind blowingly funny,like that was literally the
funniest thing I've ever seen.
It's been a while, but yeah, itis funny.

(10:11):
I I do like that talk aboutmovies that are played straight
but are just like so incrediblyridiculous that really I I'm
gonna be watching it again andyeah, I'm going to iceland in
like a week and a half or so, orno, I'm gonna be in iceland in
a week no iceland for you noiceland for me, but there is a
Big Lebowski themed bar inIceland that has a bunch of
white Russian cocktail mixes.

(10:33):
So I'm so excited, I'm soexcited to go.
I was there like last year.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I wish I would have known this, I didn't even know
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
So, big Lebowski, good time, I have introduced my
wife to Smallville.
So we're like seven episodesdeep into season one.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Dude, I started watching that again too, man.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
We got to cover Smallville season one soon.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
All right.
Well, I'm on season three now,but yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, would you be interested in doing Smallville
season one for next week?

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yes, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Because I'm planning a Smallville day tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
We're going to just bang it out, all right, yeah,
let's do it.
Rich, you got to jump on it Allright next week.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Smallville.
I mean I could do it tomorrow.
You want to do it in 12 hours,like, let's go, I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I love that show.
I am.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
I can't wait to talk about the mystery of the mystery
of the week.
Well, the twin.
Um, what?
The?
The?
The, the guy who played Icemanin the first X-Men movie?
Yeah, like his twin is in theshow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I thinklike he, I think they both are.
I think like one of them playslike Jimmy or something, and the
other one plays like one oflike the dangers of the week,
but they were like five seasonsapart, so right, something like

(11:49):
something weird like that, butI'm, I'm, oh, I'm excited yeah,
so I experienced, or, yeah, I'mintroducing my wife to this
novel.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
She's really excited, she's loving it.
Um, it's just that, it's justlike a one of those amazing
times for tv, in the sense that,like you were going to get 20
plus episodes a season easily.
Like that was a guaranteedthing back in the days of cable
and you'd get it once a year.
You don't have to wait threeyears for the next season to
only drop three episodes.
You know, like it's, it's justthat good.

(12:17):
Um, and it was just one ofthose.
It's, it's a, it's a timethat's kind of nostalgic at this
point where, like, like no cellphones in sight, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
It's a perfect time capsule for the time.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
When you watch it, you're like ah, yes, the early
2000s, when we were not takenover by technology.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yes, all right, so that happened.
I also want to take a briefmoment to talk about a play that
I saw recently.
It was the debut of a play thata friend of mine was a friend
of mine it was.
A part of his name is Ryder andit was.
You know, it's a very lowbudget play it was.

(12:59):
It was free for those inattendance, like if you can get
a free ticket.
It was free, but it marked the80th anniversary of the bombing
in Hiroshima and it was August6th of 1945.
That was the day that the firstbomb was dropped on Japan.

(13:23):
So the play itself is called theDiary of Yoko Moriwaki and it's
a story of, it's a true storyof a 13-year-old girl who was
given a diary at school to, youknow, like, just go about her
day over the course of a couplemonths, and it's a couple months
leading up to her death,basically in Hiroshima.

(13:44):
So it's through her eyes, thewar from home, and it's just
such a fantastic time capsule ofa period that I've never even
heard of, not that I'veobviously heard of the bombing,
but the point of view from ateenager, a 13-year-old teenager

(14:05):
who is very much pro-Japan butvery much of the mindset that
everything is terrible in herhomeland and how that is leading
up to the destruction of almost100,000 lives in a second.
It's a really crazy story andit's a true story.

(14:25):
So I was very happy to havewitnessed that uh in a play form
and I really I hope that thatplay gets picked up, uh for more
showings, because it was.
It was like again it was a freeplay, that uh was specifically
for the 80th anniversary of thatbombing and uh.
But it's a story that deservesto be told and I'm really

(14:47):
profoundly moved by the art ofit and being able to translate
that for a modern audience inAmerica.
So I may seem like I'mcurrently out of breath right
now and that's because I've beendealing with a lot personally
this week.
So just right before I went togo see that play, I was heading
home from work and my car gotsideswiped on the highway by a

(15:12):
car going 100 miles an hour andit took out my driver's side
mirror.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Did it hit anything else like your door, or was it
just the mirror?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
It was just the mirror, thankfully.
So it should have been an easyfix.
Went through insurance.
My deductible was like $, justthe mirror.
Thankfully, so it was it.
Should it should have been aneasy fix.
Uh, went through insurance.
My deductible was like 700, sothat would be the amount that I
would need to pay.
If anything past that point myinsurance would pick up.
But, uh, yeah, so not a not agreat deductible.
But when I ended up like takingit to the place that they

(15:41):
recommended, they charged melike 350 ish.
When I picked it up it wasalmost exactly $700.
Just now, like I literally justpicked it up.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I'm looking at I'm looking at the prices, dude,
they.
They dragged me through the mudand there's like app, like so
they, they ordered the wrongpart to begin with.
They return that part, but thenthey hid that first part that
they ordered in themiscellaneous.
Like I'm looking at the prices,like of the original estimate
and the current price that Ipaid.

(16:12):
They definitely hid that priceof the original item that they
returned in my miscellaneous.
And then they charged me forpainting of the part that they
got.
But the part is like a matteblack, like it's it's.
It's like black plastic, likethere's no paint on it.
Like so they, they charged mefor that.
Um, they charged me toquadruple the original price of

(16:34):
the the mirror.
It was like they absolutelyscraped me across the floor.
So I'm I'm really excited toyou know, fight with them on
that, because um yeah, that'scrazy.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, no, no.
Yeah, there was some sort ofscamming going on there.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
For future reference, if you knock off your mirrors.
I'm quite skilled in the art ofreplacing side mirrors for
people, whether they be lowelectronics or even high
electronics, with heated mirrorsand all the rotation and stuff.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
If it happens again, give me a call.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
I've done it myself.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I'd much rather go to you and give you a few bucks
than spend seven times theamount at a place that clearly
they were committing insurancefraud without reaching the price
of the insurance uh, theinsurance deductible, like so
any higher and they would havehad to charge the insurance
company and the insurancecompany would have fought that.

(17:33):
They don't expect me to fightthat, but I will, um, because it
it's clear fraud and neverpatron that place ever again yep
, yep, um.
Anyway, I'm so sorry we arerambling and we have some
fantastic stuff to talk about,like absolutely at least four,
four fantastic things to talkabout.
Uh, maybe five gotta giveanthony we actually do.

(17:57):
I, I would have totally.
I, I completely forget aboutherbie every single time.
Um what are your guys?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
initial thoughts on fantastic four so I thought this
was in terms of casting.
I, my wife, did point somethingout that she thought that the
the visual difference in agebetween um, reed and sue threw
her off a bit.
Like she and she didn't have aproblem with Johnny or um or Ben

(18:27):
Grimm when he was in his humorform, but she just felt like
that Sue looked a lot youngerthan Pedro Pascal's Reed.
And I have to, you know, I meanI tried to argue like hey, you
know she could be older, but she, you know, gets her hair done
so she doesn't have any graysshowing, unlike Reed does.
Or I also tried to explain thatReed kind of went gray a little
early.

(18:47):
But uh, other than that littlegripe, I really I really enjoyed
it.
I mean I thought it was, Ithought it was fun.
I didn't like superman, itdidn't really insult me by
reintroducing every single ideato me, um, and I think the only
thing I really have negative tosay about it is that I I'm

(19:08):
really upset that john malkovichwasn't in it, that he was cut
from the movie yeah, so if youwatch the trailers for the film,
uh, you will notice that, uh,john malkovich has what seems to
be a pretty substantial scene,like it doesn't seem like he's
the kind of character that isjust in a one-off moment, you
know, like.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
So I'm curious what the original intent of that was,
and it's clear that they cut alot of things out so that they
can get the film under atwo-hour uh benchmark.
But, um, yeah, yeah it's.
I find that that's a reallyinteresting cut that they made.
Uh, anthony, what are yourthoughts on fantastic four?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
I thought it was pretty good.
It was definitely one of thebetter marvel movies that we've
seen, you know, in some time.
Um, it's the best fantasticfour movie we've gotten since,
like the first one years ago,you know, even the.
The second one of that one wasnot too good, and then the one
that we got, I think, what 2014?

(20:05):
That one was just a straighttravesty I actually haven't seen
it.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
I've never seen the 2014.
Is that the one with?

Speaker 3 (20:12):
the 17 year old playing reed.
Yes, okay, yeah, I I didn't.
I have not.
I I didn't watch it either.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah it just yeah, that one.
It was really, really weird,but it was pretty good.
I liked the world.
I thought that the world wasreally cool.
It gave me and I really lovethe aesthetic that it has.
It's like very Fallout, youknow, retro-futuristic, you know

(20:42):
, like their technology is likelike outdated but like more
futuristic than us at the sametime, like how does that work?
But yeah, no, I I liked it, youknow, and it's, it's cool.
I noticed that.
Uh, well, I guess we'll go alittle bit deeper, but yeah,
this is my initial thoughts.
But yeah, man, it was good.
It was good, I I it, which is ahard thing to say about Marvel

(21:06):
movies these days.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, I don't want to like I was probably going to
say something similar where Ihave been on a Marvel low end in
terms of like, what I'veenjoyed or what I've allowed
myself to partake in.
There's a couple of things thatI just I haven't had the time
to watch, haven't cared to watchRecently.
I haven't watched Ironheart.

(21:29):
I didn't watch Agatha all along.
I know that there's Eyes ofWakanda.
I probably will watch that, butI'm not in any rush.
I still haven't watchedThunderbolts.
I think that just came out forDisney+ or at least home video.
So I'm I I am excited to seethat one because I have heard

(21:50):
that it's fantastic.
But again, I, um, I just I'mnot excited to watch it, if that
makes sense.
But I I knew I wanted to seefantastic four and I wanted to
give marvel my money for finallydoing something that I wanted
to watch, and I've been askingfor Fantastic Four for a long
time.
I've been asking for X-Men for along time.
Really quickly, let's just talkabout X-Men.

(22:14):
They got the rights for 20thCentury Fox in 2019.
So it's been six years sincethey've had the rights to that,
six years since they they've hadthe rights to that.
They are just now, like withinthe past month, like saying that
they are looking for writersfor these films, that they're
potentially casting roles forthe x-men films.

(22:36):
I think that that's actual ipsuicide.
Like, why why would you, asMarvel, wait six years to even
start working on potentially thebiggest franchise within your
franchise?
You know you do not ownSpider-Man, you will not own

(22:56):
Spider-Man ever, if Sony hasanything to say about it.
Why would you wait so long todo anything about Fantastic Four
and even longer to do anythingabout X-Men?
If this was any other company,they would have had a movie
within two years.
I'm not saying that they shouldhave rushed it, but they should
have started working onsomething immediately, because
currently they are flounderingIn the box office.

(23:20):
Like Fantastic Four is afantastic movie, I really
enjoyed it.
Like fantastic four is afantastic movie, I really
enjoyed it.
It's again, it's not perfect,but I I do think it is worth
more than the global cume has,you know, collected at this
point.
So it's it's interesting toknow that.
Uh, you know, like we arecurrently seeing a very, very

(23:40):
low, like almost like phase onenumbers for movies, um, for
marvel and that's that's.
That's bizarre to me, becausethey were such heavy hitters for
so many years.
You had films like blackpanther, captain marvel, a
number of captain america filmsthat were all breaking uh, a
billion dollars at the boxoffice.
And it was easy, but it waseasy money.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I I think part of it is.
I think that they're releasingon Disney Plus too quickly, Like
look how fast Thunderbolts isalready there.
It could be that.
It could be that If it's notsomething that you feel like you
care if you get spoiled, right,if you're not into that, like
right now.
Like you, you're a perfectexample, dakota.

(24:21):
You've kind of fallen out.
You don't watch a lot of thestuff, right.
So now so much comes out thatyou can just kind of comfortably
wait, and it's on disney plus,so correct, I mean, and you're a
moviegoer, right.
So like I, I am since thepandemic, like I love the
streaming option, like I kind ofliked when some of the stuff

(24:42):
came out and it came out thesame day on disney than it did
in the theaters, right, that wasfun, that was a fun time, you
know, and I think that spoiled alot of comic book fans and I
think now it's like, well, thisstuff is not that great, I can
just wait yeah, I was gonna saywe, you can't put off the fact

(25:05):
that like the quality has gonedown and even then, like you
know, you know so.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
So, like I did end up seeing Thunderbolts.
Well, I would say thatThunderbolts is definitely one
of their better movies thatthey've come out with and, like
the more recent years, it stillis missing that quality that we
used to have with marvel movies,like there was definitely some

(25:32):
qa that was going on back in theday.
That is just gone now and youknow it's like they're and it's
not even like and it's the crazything is is like they're not
even like taking, it's not evenlike risk taking.
You know they're like playing,it's like trying to play it safe
, but like it's not even likequality.

(25:53):
You know it's.
You're, you're getting like aknockoff.
You know you're getting like aknockoff movie rather than, like
you know, an mcu movie.
You know it's, know, and I'mgoing to throw it to you, dakota
, you know, because you'rerepping Superman today, would
you say that the MCU movies oftoday do they match up or do

(26:16):
they hold up to the Superman themovie 1975, gold standard 1978.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh 1978.
Yeah, the gold standard, uh,1978, oh 1978.
Yeah, uh, the gold standard.
The reason anthony says that isbecause on our zoom call I have
a superman.
The movie background currentlyfrom our previous episode.
I just I haven't changed it um,anthony has a wonderfully um
appropriate fantastic fourbackground for this episode and
rich has a wonderfullyappropriate battle star
galactica um uh background.
No, we call it battle, it'sactually just the death star
behind it.
Yeah, and Rich has awonderfully appropriate

(26:46):
Battlestar Galactica background.
We call it Battle, it'sactually just the Death Star
behind it.
So, anyway, your question is dothey hold up to the standard of
the original Superman or areyou being facetious?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
No, well, I was kind of joking.
But I remember what you saidthat Feige was saying about
Superman.
And then when Superman came outhe was like oh well, it's not
superhero fatigue, becausepeople went out to go see that.
And then you said that he wouldgo and show people this movie
Superman, the movie from 1978,to show them what quality is
Right from 1978.

(27:21):
To like show them what qualityis.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Right, okay, so let's uh, let's back up just a hair,
uh, so I can explain what I'mwhat I said.
Uh, so according to a couplesources, including the, the
novel, uh, the reign of Marvelstudios, um, which is a book
that came out a couple of yearsago, which is a fantastic read,
I I highly recommend the reignof marvel studios to any fan of

(27:46):
just movies in general.
You don't even have to havewatched marvel studios films to
enjoy it, because it's a historyof the studio coming into its
shape.
But apparently in that book, uh, and and other interviews,
feige has mentioned that hetakes people to watch, uh,
specifically directors when,when they get cast to join the
MCU for a role or whatever, hebrings those directors to watch

(28:11):
the original Superman movie, andthat is basically his gold
standard for the dawn ofsuperheroes and not to be
encumbered by the weight ofMarvel Studios.
I guess, because that'ssomething that the original
Superman movie does it's notweighted down by what we expect
from a superhero movie, andthat's what's so freeing about

(28:32):
it.
But I cannot say that that everhappens in a Marvel movie past
Phase 1.
Every Marvel movie, with theexception of Guardians of the
Galaxy, has felt very much likea Marvel movie.
It's just part of the DNA, it'spart of the production process,
it's part of the factory systemthat they have going on with

(28:54):
Marvel Studios.
So as far as whether thesemovies have that original sheen
that is the gold standard ofwhat Superman produced, produced
in 78 I would say, you know, inmany cases they're better
movies.
Some, some of them, are muchbetter, but they don't have that
, uh, that vibe of the originalone.

(29:14):
And as far as like marvel todayversus marvel on the like phase
one, phase two eras, they havenailed down a formula that they
try to encompass with everymovie.
It's a three-act phase of eachfilm that leads towards a bigger
picture, and that is the casefor pretty much every single

(29:36):
Marvel movie that has ever beenmade.
But I think the original Phase 1films have a certain level of
uniqueness because they didn'thave a boiled down formula at
that point.
So there there is some.
There's a big difference.
You know and you can even feelthat formula in fantastic four.
You know there's a lot of cutstuff from it, but you can you
can totally 100 if you did notknow that this was a marvel

(30:00):
movie and you watched this moviebut you'd seen other marvel
movies in the past, you would belike, oh, this kind of reminded
me of some of the other marvelmovies that I've I've seen, but
in a unique way, and I don'twant to denigrate uh, fantastic
four, it's just, it is formulaic, like that's, that's just part
of the the baked in structure.
You know you're gonna, ifyou're gonna bake cookies, you
have to go a certain route.

(30:21):
You know you have to crack theeggs at a certain point, you
have to add the sugar at acertain point.
It's just part of the theprocess for marvel yeah, you
know um I do but go ahead.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I do think that another part of the problem that
we don't talk about a lot isthe next generation is not
reading comic books.
Sure, right, like they're notinto soup.
Like when the when phase onecame out and I'm I'm a years
older than you guys, but it waslike, oh my goodness, this right
, because we never got that.

(30:52):
Like, we had sure we hadSuperman, and then I was gone
and we had, you know, we hadMichael Keaton, batman for a
little bit, right, but we didn'thave great Marvel showings like
this.
So I just think that, like itcaught the.
I think it caught the rightgeneration at the right time,
right, I'm 43 and I would saythat very few of my friends

(31:13):
outside of you guys that are myage are getting excited about
the stuff.
They're it's and it's almostlike it's too much, so they feel
behind.
Like I have friends who lovethis stuff, but they're like
it's like homework and I'm I'mbehind, I'm a semester behind
you know you mentioned something.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Uh, you mentioned that there was a certain level,
a certain level of specialness.
When they first came out, thiswas something that hadn't
happened before.
Oh man, this guy, this, thisproducer, he's saying that this
is all going to lead to theavengers.
So wait, thor is going to teamup with Captain America and Iron
man and maybe even the Hulk.
Wow, and they're morerecognizable too.

(31:51):
There's nothing special aboutgoing to see a Marvel movie
these days besides the bigteam-ups.
Obviously those are special.
Or the finales of certain thingsLike Guardians of the Galaxy 3,
that was a very special movie.
It was a fantastic story.
It was just well crafted and itwas the end of something, and
it's something that we don'texperience a lot of in the mcu,

(32:12):
and ends are good.
When it comes to narratives,you know like you need solid
endings to things for you tohave resolution, and if that
ending never comes, you willjust drift away from the story
over time, and I think that'swhat a lot of people are
experiencing currently.
And there's this I can keepgoing with with the mc we need
some competition, man.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
We need honestly, we need to dc you like, we need
those movies to like.
Keep on kicking it, bro, likewe need a great job with
superman.
You know that was good.
You know, hopefully, supergirlsolid.
You know, I know that they'reworking on some.
You know castings for other,for other characters, but you
know, I I feel like, I feel thatwe can, we can trust that that

(32:57):
sean gunn's gonna do some, somesolid stuff.
Man, you know, I thought hisversion, his iteration of the
suicide squad was pretty goodand yeah, man, superman.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
So so yeah, and if you, if you guys have seen the
uh, the set photos that arecoming out of the spider-man uh
brand, uh, brand new day uh filmthat are coming out.
If you look online and look upspider-man photos, it looks
phenomenal, like they.
That actually looks like it'sgoing to be a really really good
spider-man movie becausethey're filming everything
practically.

(33:27):
They're filming the swingingthrough the the city,
practically.
It looks amazing.
And, um, it actually looks likethe actor is swinging from a
web.
It's actually really, reallycool.
So I I'm not over marvel, I'mjust having a low period and I I
do plan to get back into it andI'm excited to see thunderbolts
.
And getting back to the topicat hand, I really did enjoy my

(33:49):
time with fantastic four.
I was reticent to see itbecause of my malaise currently,
but I was.
I I immediately like,re-watched it.
I I went to go see it a secondtime.
It was just something thatreally felt new for me, even
though there was that formula.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Wait a second.
You said you went to go see ita second time because of the
Avatar trailer.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Okay, we've got to take a step back.
I did actually.
That was something that I wasdeeply, deeply excited to visit
and then revisit.
You know, like, let's talkabout that Avatar trailer.
I know, rich, you haven't evenseen the movies, right?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
No.
I know, I have like a roughidea that, like you know,
scientists were able tobasically like inhabit someone
of, like go into the world umand interact with, and there's
like a war.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Alien life form.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know likethe general strokes, the broad
stroke okay, um, it's, it'sjames cameron's, like it's his,
it's his star wars you know it'shis baby it's.
It's the project that he'swanted to work on since the
early 90s and he's finallycapable of doing it because uh,
cgi has made its way and he, he,you know.
But anyway, so the the trailerfor, or the teaser rather for,

(35:06):
uh, fire and ash, the thirdavatar film, has uh dropped and
it's just mind-blowing visuals,like it's just there's gonna be
so much in that movie.
That is just.
I'm so excited about um andthis is the wrong podcast to
like gush about it, but I didreally think it was cool and, uh
, apparently they did thiseverywhere.

(35:26):
You watched all the trailersleading up to the movie.
Then they show the ads for thecinema or whatever it is, then
the lights turn off and thenthey show you the avatar trailer
as if, like, you're startingthe movie, so it's actually
attached to the picture and Ithink that that's just.
It was brilliant and it madethat trailer feel like it was
part of the ticket price andthat was cool.

(35:50):
That was really cool.
But let's take it back.
Let's continue to talk aboutFantastic Four.
We keep getting sidetrackedfour.
We keep getting sidetracked andthere's so much that um is
bottled up in the world offantastic four and, like the,
the behind the scenes of themovie, that it's so easy to get
uh derailed by the discussion ofculture as a whole.
But, um, I think the movie doesdeserve to be spoken about, you

(36:13):
know, just as is, because Ireally liked uh universe 8, like
I thought that was justgorgeous.
Was it 828 or was it 818?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
No, it was 828.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Because Kirby's birthday is like 828 something.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
That's correct.
Yes, they showed that at theend.
I wasn't sure because I knowthat in Doctor Strange
Multiverse of Madness we go toEarth 818.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
So I might have got those confused, but yeah, all
right.
828 um, let's talk about that.
Just because it was such aunique setting, um, it was far
different from anything that wehad seen in marvel before.
It almost has like apost-modern, uh sci-fi look.
You know like it's.
It's something that you wouldexpect from like before the

(37:00):
bombs.
Yeah, something like that, orlike original concept art for,
like, in Disney World orDisneyland, the Tomorrowland
section of Disney World.
You know like it's that this iswhat the future is going to
look like.
It's going to be rocketseverywhere.
There's going to be flying cars.
There's going to be towers thatare just random shapes when are
they?

(37:20):
Where are they?
Where are they?
There's going to be robots uh,you know like, serving us food
in our 60s styled, uh, abodes.
It's.
It's just a really.
You know, like, when marveldecides to bring all these
universes together, when theybring, like, eventually, these
characters are going to maketheir way into 616 or whatever.

(37:40):
I think that they're.
No, I don't think I know thatthey're not going to do this,
but because and I and I thinkthat that's ridiculous that
they're not going to do this butthey absolutely should take
advantage of this opportunity tobring the entire marvel
universe into 818, 828, like Ithink that that is such a world
rife with opportunity.
I think that whole settingchange is perfect for throwing

(38:04):
in the X-Men when they finallyget into the picture.
You know, because it's still60s-ish.
You know like they have a lotthat they can work with in this
world and I feel like they'rebarely tapping the surface and,
yeah, I think that's really cool, the surface, and I'm yeah, I
think that's really cool.
Um, so let's talk about theactual fantastic five.
Like what?
What are, uh, our thoughts on?

(38:24):
So rich?
You mentioned that, um, uh,your wife had an issue with the
age gap between pedro pascal andvanessa kirby, and there is an
age gap there that I thinkthey're 13 years apart, like the
actors themselves.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
But what did you actually think of the, the
portrayals of the character outcharacters plural outside of you
know that discrepancy, so theway I derided the other
fantastic four movies, sayingthat reed looked like he was 13,
like it wasn't thatgame-breaking for me.
Um sure, and maybe it's because, like I mean, you know, I mean

(38:58):
it's, it's not out of thequestion.
I mean, in the comics I'mfairly certain that they're
closer in age than 13 years, butthat didn't bother me too much.
I thought Reed did a reallygood job, not Reed, sorry.
Pedro Pascal did a really goodjob as Reed.
I mean, I did speak about myPedro Pascal, what's it called?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
You have an actual Pedro Pascal fatigue.
Yes, yeah, pascal, um what's itcalled?
You have an actual pedro pascalfatigue?
Yes, yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I think a lot of people do you know I love him,
but I want him to be who I wanthim to be certain people and
like I, I guess my, my thinkingis and it seems like he's signed
on right, like he's gonna be in616 yeah, presumably right.
So it's, you know, it's it'sgonna be a while with him, uh,
and you know it's not like thesemovies are coming out quickly
either.
You know it's.
It's gonna be a while with him,uh, and you know it's not like
these movies are coming outquickly either, you know.

(39:42):
So I wonder if that agedifference will maybe even be
more pronounced looking in acouple of years, uh, when they
finally come out with anothermovie.
But I thought that he did areally good job.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
I I really felt reed's feelings of inadequacy
yeah and he does have that inthe comics, like he's a very
competent person, but hestruggles with the limits of his
own mind.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
And I love that it wasn't just.
He's a brainiac, right?
He's a brainiac who then allowshimself to actually feel worse
about everything because hebelieves he has the ability to
do so much it's, yeah, such agreat dynamic.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
You know like he's too much into his own head yeah
yeah, so I what did you?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
what?
I'm sorry, um sorry rich.
Go ahead, keep going no.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
So I thought what did you guys think about reed
anthony?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
um, he, he's solid, I it.
I do kind of feel you about the, the, the Pedro fatigue.
He has been in a lot and it'slike you know we've got some
other actors that could beportraying some of these
characters.
I'm not saying you know MrFantastic in particular, but you
know, yeah, they have beencasting him for a lot and you

(40:57):
know you got to allow for peopleto miss something, to for them
to want more.
You know, and you know you, youcan't just like allow everybody
to be gluttons and to, you know, receive all this content with
this one particular actor.
No man, you gotta put him here,put him there, you know, and
just allow people to enjoy it.

(41:17):
You know, not to shove theirface.
But as far as his, hisportrayal of of reed richards,
uh, I think he did a prettysolid job.
You know, yeah, like you said,some for somebody being so
brilliant to be so like trappedin their mind, you know, about
being able to do more, feelingfeelings that they should be

(41:40):
able to do more.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
You know yeah, um, jumping on the uh, pedro pascal
fatigue.
I don't want to like beat it todeath, but it is funny because,
um, when fantastic four firstdropped, he was in two other
movies currently playing intheaters, and the story is not
just I've seen that dude, I'veseen that video.
He's in materialists and he's ineddington.

(42:04):
And not only that.
Not only that, he was slated tobe in the movie weapons that
just dropped this week.
Uh, the horror movie weapons.
Um, he was.
He was supposed to play thecharacter that josh brolin
currently plays in the movie,but he was too booked so he was
they recast the whole movie uhengagements, or six projects

(42:28):
that he's working on he was.
He was stretched too thin, butnot as, oh, actually, no, there
is a moment in this movie wherereed is stretched a little too
thin, um, but uh, let's, let'sjump over to vanessa kirby,
because I think that she ismagical as a sue storm like she,
my god, the, the ending, uh,the, the.

(42:51):
The fact that, like you know,they finally use sue storm to
her like potential, like intheir comics.
She's, she's one of the moremore powerful individuals, um,
and we barely got that much ofthat in the previous movies, but
now they really showed.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
You know, she can one on one with Galactus, and you
know we haven't really gottenher in in like physical or, uh,

(43:25):
in movies, where, where she'sdone you know that kind of scale
of fighting and she's reallyyeah, yeah, she was I.
I thought that that vanessakirby did a fantastic job as sue
storm it's almost like thatmother strength that you
sometimes hear about.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
You know, like when a kid is like underneath a car,
mothers will suddenly find thestrength to lift the car, and
it's a known thing that canhappen based on, just like,
mother's instincts andadrenaline just taking over.
So the fact that you know sheis such a powerful individual,
plus Galactus had her child inthat moment, it was just like a
recipe for disaster for galactusbecause, like you're not going

(44:02):
to stop a mother, uh, you know,trying to save their child and I
, I love that.
I, I really love that.
Um, I think she did a fantasticjob.
Um, what did you think, rich ofvanessa?

Speaker 3 (44:14):
she was, I think I mean other than mole man.
I think she was the strongest,the strongest, uh, strongest
actor like because the casting,because she's amazing, I can't.
There's nothing I'm going toadd to what you guys just said.
Right, because it's yeah, sure,yeah I feel the same way.
But what's a paul walter hauseror whatever?

(44:36):
Uh, as mole I I, I was giddy,like I was excited, like you
know, I was like oh the moloidsand, uh, I'm glad that you know,
I know, you know they ended upcutting out.
Um, what's his name?
Red ghost, which was, which wasthe character, uh, the actor we
spoke about earlier being cutout, and they did that kind of

(44:56):
montage of of of their pastfights.
But when I saw the literalcover of the first appearance of
Mole man, right, and even theyhad the cover of them battling
the giant green guy, who's theone I forget now.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yes, which is from the very first cover.
Like, they almost showed theexact cover of the first
Fantastic Four comic, which Iwas blown away by.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they almostshowed the exact cover of the
first Fantastic Four comic,which I was blown away by.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
That was some really good.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Some deep cuts for the fans.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, that was solid.
Like I did notice that alsomyself.
Oh yeah, so the actor of Moleman was also in Naked Gun.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Oh is he?
Yeah, he is.
He's so funny.
He's so funny man, nice.
I liked the dynamic of him andSue.
They don't really explain it.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
He's just like he respects Sue.
There's a prequel comic or likea pre-movie comic, that if you
read it they explain the dynamicbetween the two of them.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
All right, I'm going to read it.
I love tie-in comics.
I love tie-in and novels.
I did not realize that was athing.
Um, I I tend to actuallyconsume more thai and material
than I consume the materialitself.
Um, which, dude, if you look atmy audio like audible library,
it's like 250 books and like 90of its th's tie-in novels of
like Star Wars and differentfranchises.

(46:20):
I'm a monster.
But what did you guys think ofJohnny Storm played by Joseph
Quinn?
We've met Joseph Quinn inStranger Things, eddie.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Munson, I don't know who.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Rich, you watch Yep.
So he played Eddie Munson inStranger Things and a lot of
people didn't think that he hadthe acting chops for a character
like Johnny Storm, but I was100% sold.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
I kind of said to myself, eddie Munson, I was like
no way, and it's definitely adifferent, and I think I
appreciated it.
I don't know, I don't think Iread tons of Fantastic Four
growing up, I just wasn't.
I also think that I may havebeen a little bit phased out

(47:05):
because of the whole.
The FF were kind of phased outa little bit, as were X-Men for
a bit.
X-men was always my jam so Iwas never going to let go of
them.
But when Fantastic Four was nolonger widely available, I'll
call it like you know, or beingpushed by marvel as much I
wasn't reading.

(47:27):
So a lot of my johnny storm isfrom like chris evans um movie
and like the the ribbing and I.
I'm used to a little bit moreof a contentious friendship with
Storm and thing, but we've seenthat.
So I liked this change in thedynamic.
I don't know if I buy him beinglike a super.

(47:50):
I guess it makes sense rightthat he's also a scientist,
because that's a change they hadhere, where he's this amazing
scientist who basically, withlike four words, is able to
uncover an entire language.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Right, he's able to start piecing together.
I like that they did that.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Because, dude, this guy's an astronaut.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Come on now.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
You can't make him a meathead Like he's got to know
something.
I mean, you got to be, you haveto have somewhat of a brain to
like be able to go up to space,you know.
So I do like that.
They did that.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
And then katie perry um, sorry, I just said katie
perry out loud.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to saythat and then um what he said
you have to be.
You have to be smart to go tospace.
So I just said katie perry's,just that's my, my.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, but that was let's keep it going, let's keep
it going.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
But but I I did like that.
They did have, like you know,they, they, they did have some
like jab kind of jabs here andthere between Johnny Storm and
thing Ben Grimm.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I like that.
I like the banter.
That's something that alwayshas to happen in these movies to
some degree.
There has to be some level oflike, not necessarily
disagreement, but um playfulbanter and jabs at each other's
expense.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah, I love that, yeah and and the actors kind of
like do that in real life too.
I don't know if you've seenthat if you watch the video of
them, like in an interview andand then, like joseph quinn's,
just like looking over at umwhat oh yes, that's such a funny
and he's like making him laughand and the funny thing about it
is that we've all been there.
We've always had, we've all hadthat friend that have been

(49:30):
trying to get us to laugh inlike the worst times I love that
, I love that.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I love their dynamic so much.
And just to jump on like uh,the the johnny storm parade, I
guess, uh, I really I think itwas a cool idea for him to.
You know, he he has beenclearly interested in these
alien messages for a while.
He has like 20 something tapesall like for, uh, the current

(49:57):
silver surfer.
I think her name is shara,shara bell shala, is that shala?
I keep getting confused with uh, shara bay, which is in in star
wars.
Uh poe dameron's mother, I, I,their, their names are very
similar.
I will always and I willcontinue to mess it up, but
anyway, I love that all thesemessages are are sent to her, um

(50:18):
, and they, they kind of explainit in a certain way and he's
able to try to like translate itbased on, uh, that, that one
phrase, um, that colloquialismthat she was able to impart on
him.
I thought that was so cool.
That was so cool.
Let's talk about the thingreally quick, not really quick,
actually.
Let's, let's give him, let'sgive him a little spotlight.
I, I think, uh, hold on.

(50:38):
What's the actor's name?
I always forget it.
His name is Eben Moss, bakrak,bakrak.
I mean, the cadence of thecharacter's voice was kind of
like perfect it was it's alwayswhat I kind of envisioned the
thing to talk like and to likeact like the certain swagger
that he added to the role.
You don't need like a reallygravelly voice, you don't need a

(50:58):
really deep voice or anything,you just need someone who's your
best friend, you know who youplay video games with, that's,
that's, that's the thing rightthere, and I I think that he
kind of nailed that role and, uh, I I want to see more of that
actually they gave him like thatog kind of look also, you know,
like the way that the thinghigh brows yeah, yeah I, uh, I,

(51:21):
I really liked, I like, I liked,I definitely like the portrayal
better this time around.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Uh, or I mean the way he looks visually like,
definitely better than michaelchiklis's uh, uh thing.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I not, no, no, no hate on michael chiklis either
like I, I I do like that role.
But yeah, go ahead.
You know, I think he looksbetter.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
I think he does.
I think he looks better.
I think he does.
I think he looks better.
I think he's portrayed as hereminded me very much of Raphael
from the original Turtles moviein that first Fantastic Four
where he's got to be the angryguy.
It's almost like he'sone-dimensional.

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He's angry because he's hurt.
You know, you're talking aboutChick-fil-A's character.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
And I feel like they didn't.
They gave him a little bit morenuance here In one way.
That hurt me, but I understandwhy they did it.
So I love the clobbering time.
I share this with both of you.
I'll share this with the show.
I'm share this with both of you.
I'll share this with the show.
Uh, I'm also a wrestling fan andI was watching wrestling and
there's a wrestler whose name iscm punk.
He's, uh in wrestling circles,uh, pretty good and uh, he's a

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pretty big star and for hisentire career.
When he comes out to the ringhe gets on one knee, he taps his
wrist and he goes and then heyells it's clobbering time and
he's been doing it his wholecareer, you know.
So, actually, at an event thisweekend, uh, this past weekend,
he came out in his gear but anhomage to the fantastic four,

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and it killed me that.
Uh, you know that apparently,in the movie, in the movie's
canon, uh, ben grim neveractually says it's clobber and
time, it's just from the cartoonshow and he kind of hates it,
uh, so that was like it wasfunny, but he eventually
embraces it.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, for all of its yeah because johnny storm eggs
him on right, like, like, that'sone of those moments where you
like say it, yeah, say it yeah,I like that moment.
Yeah, no, I I really.
You know, what I like aboutthis movie is that we get them
already in a place where they'veexisted for a while.

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They're being celebrated, andnow they're in a place where
their lives are about to changebecause Sue Storm is pregnant.
Yeah, that's a good point, itwas so nice to see like people
not running away from ben grim,like just walking down the
street, the thing um yeah, likethey actually.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
You know the kids were like pick up the car.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Pick up the car you know like, yeah, I thought I
that was a endearing, uh kind ofmoment.
That was whole there is a deep.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
There is a deep sadness like that you see in the
portrayal, uh, you see in theperformance yes um, like,
there's a great scene where he'slike looking at an old, uh old
footage of himself in in his,like, human form and, uh, the tv
cuts off and then you see the,the reflection that he's
actually looking at.
It's like the, the true self,and he never lets it kill his

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vibe.
He never lets it kill anyone'svibe.
You know, even reed brings itup at a certain point, like I,
what I did to you, blah, blah,blah.
Um, I should, I should, haveknown better.
And he never holds reedaccountable for, uh, the fact
that he turned into a monster.
He turned into a thing.
I love that, I love thatportrayal and I it probably took
time, because this is supposedto be four years after they all
transformed, right, so itprobably there was probably a

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period where he was angsty, hewas angry and he was uh lashing
out, but I think he's grown toaccept it and I love that.
They even brought in his, uh,his jewish side.
You know, like they they didn'tgo too hard on it, but they
they showed him enter asynagogue at a very important
part of the scene or part of themovie, and it's just like he
wasn't there specifically forworship, but he was there to see

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, you know, a woman, but it's.
It is just like he wasn't therespecifically for worship, but
he was there to see a woman.
But it is just a nice nod tothe character's history and
Kirby himself the originalcreator.
So, yeah, I love those littlethings, but, anthony, you
brought up the baby.
The trailers barely even cover.

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Yeah yeah, they barely showcaseany of the actual story of what
the the trailers barely evencover.
Yeah, yeah, they, they barelyshowcase any of the actual story
of what the movie's about andthat's that's showcased at the
very start of the movie.
You know, like we have, youknow uh, reed and sue, you know
they.
She takes a pregnancy test, sheshows them and that's the whole
catalyst for like the nextcouple months of the movie is
like getting ready for uh, thebaby and reed is freaking out

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because he's just like well,we're genetically altered, so
naturally the baby must begenetically altered, but he
can't find anything.
But when they eventually speakto galactus, galactus says he's
hiding his, his true self fromyou.
So the unborn child is it hasthe wherewithal to hide his true
self from the scans of hisparents.

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What are your thoughts on this?
Or is Galactus just talking outof his butt Like is he making
stuff up?
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (56:07):
I don't know.
I don't think Galactus would betalking out of his butt Like
why would he care about somelike mere child?
You know, with all the childrenin the world.

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You know, like why would hecare about that one child?
Unless there was somethingspectacular about that child.
And enough for him.
There's something spectacular.
Yeah, enough, right, right.
Enough for him to to be like ifyou give me that child, I will
know, I will not go after yourworld.
That's galactus saying that manis the world destroyer.
Okay, so if he's making that,like trying to make that, that
you know that swap right therethen, obviously, yeah, I I do
think that there was some, somemerit to what galactus was

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saying I don't think he knows.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
I don't know if he's speaking plainly, like when he
says that that uh, franklin'sbeen hiding it.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I don't know, you don't know that it's a conscious
effort.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
On franklin's, yeah, I think like he said he's hidden
it from you but that therecould be so many reasons why he
might think.
You know, maybe reed'stechnology isn't advanced enough
to pick this up in utero.
You know what I mean.
Uh, maybe it's something thatdoesn't develop until after he's
out of the uterus.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
You could be doing it to protect sue from like you
know, maybe she would be harmedif he was like like releasing,
you know it could be like apreservation thing you know,
because you know, if he wasn'tready, you know sue dies, then
he will probably die, or heprobably doesn't want to kill
his mom.
You know that kind of stuff.
Yeah, there, there are many.

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Yeah, there's different reasonsfor for for being.
It could be for good reasons,it could be for malevolent, is
he a mutant?

Speaker 2 (57:59):
he is, yeah, technically.
So they go back and forth inthe comics whether or not
Franklin Reed is a mutant or not, but most people agree that he
has been termed a mutant in acouple times.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
But is this like I hate to be this nerdy about it
so does he have the X gene?
Or is it simply that the cosmic, the power cosmic, mutated his
cells?
Thusly he's a mutant.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
That's, that's part of the issue is that like you
can make that.
You can make the comparison.
He's been dubbed a mutant inthe comics, but is that because
his parents have geneticmutation that has already
altered them, or does he havethe X gene on top of that and we
don't really have a solidanswer.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Well, we kind of have like a similar dilemma with.
But we know she has like the Xgene gene gray, but then she has
that cosmic force that comesdown in the Phoenix.
Right Phoenix force Right thatcosmic force that comes down the
phoenix, right, phoenix force,yeah right, yeah.
So I mean, yeah, there could besome sort of x gene that's

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present in franklin, but thatdoesn't all.
That doesn't exclude the factthat he also has cosmic
abilities too, you know.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
According to google, google a1.
I'm sorry, that's what um, our,our secretary of education,
calls it AI?
The response is no.
Franklin does not kineticallypossess the X gene, despite a
period where it was believed hedid.
Initially, it was thought thatFranklin's reality warping power
stemmed from him having the Xgene, but this was later

(59:34):
retconned.
He's now understood to havegained his powers through his
parents' exposure to radiation,and his later ability to
manipulate reality was revealedto be a separate power source.
Okay, so that might be likeyeah, I think it was that they
originally felt that he had thex gene, or I think they were
leaving it open, and then, Iguess, somebody decided, hey, I
don't like that, and they readcondom here's.

(59:55):
Here's what I think marvel willdo.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
I think they will call him a mutant when the time
comes, the the same way thatthey called Ms Marvel a mutant
instead of an inhuman.
Okay, to go back to what youwere saying, rich, there was a
period of time in the comicspublishing world where Marvel
Comics was not actively pushingthe X-Men and they definitely
weren't pushing the FantasticFour, the fantastic four, and

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the reason was that, uh, theywere trying to basically kill
the fox movies so that, you know, the, the brand would be, you
know, cheap enough for them toeventually acquire.
So they were really pushinghard stuff like, uh, that's when
they really started pushingguardians of the galaxy in the
comics, that, that super group,and they really hyped up the

(01:00:40):
inhumans, probably too much, um,because they've started to walk
a lot of that back and certainInhumans characters are now
being dubbed mutants, which iswhat happened in the Ms Marvel
show.
But as far as Marvel Studiosgoes, I believe that they will
simplify it to the point where,no, he has the X-Gene and
perhaps this is just somethingthat Reed did not not know to

(01:01:02):
search for.
He didn't.
He, you know, his system justcould not calibrate it because
it didn't exist.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
It wasn't a oh, that's a great point yeah, I
could see that being a thingyeah but uh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
But on the other hand , you definitely have, uh,
galactus suggesting that it'sthe power cosmic, which is a a
much older, much more powerfulforce in the universe than the
X-Gene would naturally be.
So it could be that Reed didn'tknow what the power cosmic was
and I think he does research itlater because he starts writing

(01:01:33):
it on his chalkboard and allthat.
Yeah, so there's a bunch ofpotentiality there.
But let's jump over to let'skeep talking about Franklin,
because we actually do have himuse his powers.
At a certain point he altersreality to a degree.
That is pretty OP.
We have Sue Storm who stopsGalactus, but oh, I've been

(01:02:00):
calling him Franklin Reed,that's my mistake, it's Franklin
Richards, I apologize.
So Reed Richards tells Sue thatshe's going to die if she keeps
this up, because it's too muchpower for her to maintain, and
she does.
She actually dies after, youknow, pushing Galactus into that
wormhole.

(01:02:20):
What did you guys think of theresurrection that the Franklin
Richards exhibits?

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
It looked like it was set up to happen.
Like you knew, something wasgoing to happen, especially if
they were kind of building upfor this baby to have some sort
of ability.
I feel like there was going tobe some sort of display of that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
And that's what we got.
I, I think the only.
So I, I mean I, you know, kindof saw it coming.
I think, as anthony said there,it seemed like it was set up
for that and none of them dyingin this movie could have been
real, right like um.
I mean, I know sue's death istechnically real because she did
die and then reality is bent,but what I mean is, in the, the
larger scope of things, thereain't no way one of them was

(01:03:07):
going to die.
So I hate that in a way, becausethat moment could have been.
I'm a parent.
The idea that if somethinghappens to me, that Charlie
could will me back to lifebecause he loves me, that much
is unbelievable.
But I did.
I didn't.
It didn't hit me as hard acomplaint that my wife had was

(01:03:29):
that she that she wished thatfranklin had had like the power
cosmic, like at least a littlebit in his hands.
Like his hand got a little bluewhen he touched his mom,
instead of it just being that hetouched her and then her eyes
went blue.
Uh, because it didn't seem likehe was.
You know what I'm saying.
Like usually when somebody iswielding something like this
yeah there is a physicalindication, whether it'd be his

(01:03:51):
own eyes turning blue and goingblank or something, uh, his hand
having a little bit of thepower cosmic, that's so I think,
actually, I think actually,like if you re-watch it, there
is there is a slight purple glowunderneath his hands, like
where her chest is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, that does that does pop up and I I thought I
saw it the first time and Idefinitely saw it the second
time, so it is there, it's justvery, very subtle okay, all
right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
So I only saw it once and I definitely yeah, you know
that's so, I guess I justwanted to.
And when she said it I thoughtback to it and I was like you
know, I don't remember somethingyeah like super overt, you know
, like like when jean graybecomes inhabited by the phoenix
force, you see, you know, kindof like that, that
transformation a little bit, uh,but that's really my, I guess

(01:04:39):
that's my biggest gripe, becausethere's no way for them to do
that moment and have anybody Idon't think I can't imagine
anybody in any of the theatersis like oh, my goodness, sue's
really dead.
Right, like that.
I don't think I don't know ifit would have hit anyone that
way.
I mean, my wife, like, will cryat a Folgers commercial, and

(01:05:01):
you know she definitely getsattached and she didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
I think.
I think they also spoiled thatwith the fact that, like, when
they were showing, was it likeall those seats?
For what?
Was it Secret Wars or was itDoomsday uh?
Doomsday it showed her name sheher name.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Yeah, so all the fantastic four sitting right
next to each other.
Yeah, in the moment I didn'tthink about that, but after the
fact, like oh, yeah, that wasclearly like well well, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I just I didn't think that like it was a real death
in that moment, like I didn'tfeel like there was any again it
would be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
It would be ip suicide, like you can no longer
call it the fantastic it's likeno, actually technically they
they could, you know, justFranklin.
Yeah Well, Franklin, we don'tknow.
We don't know his fate afterthis movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
True, true.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Some interesting stuff happens.
We'll talk about that in alittle bit.
The coolest scene I think I'veone of the coolest scenes I've
seen in a Marvel movie, asuperhero movie in general, was
uh shallabell surfing the wavesof the uh event horizon.
Dude to act, first of all, toactually see a silver surfer

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surfing gorgeous, not only werethey surfing that, they were
surfing through like uh warped,like warp speed.
You know that are they were.
They were going ftl they'refaster than light.
Um, and she was surfing thosewaves behind dude, I was no,
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
That was such a crazy scene, like you know that, like
you had all that going on andthen you had sue richards who
was going through birth, andlike there's just so much going
on in that moment, and it wasjust like nuts yeah, it was nuts
.
Uh, I, I thought that wasactually really cool too.
Is that?
You know that this, this, the,the uh setting of this movie is

(01:06:53):
like a futuristic 60s and theyhave interplanetary travel.
You know, they can actually go.
They went over to, they wentover to to galactus, which, like
that scene was really crazy too, like when you saw him like get
up or like no, he didn't evenget up like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
He just like kind of sat there but he was massive
dude, that was like my mom, butthen when he did actually stand
up in uh, when he got to earthyeah, this is a movie that the
imax definitely, yeah, addedadded to the viewing experience
I liked.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
I thought it was interesting their initial plan
of like what they were going todo with Galactus heading over to
them that they had gotten theentire world to like.
They sold the world on.
Like this plan to move Earth tosome other like solar system
and you almost got it made youthink, oh, they're gonna bring
them to the mcu dude, I thoughtsomething like that was gonna

(01:07:46):
happen too man, it makes youthink that you know what, though
they pull the, they pull therug out.
You know what, though that mightbe the way that they get there,
though that might be the wayit's possible.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
It's possible was the ultimate.
Now, if I recall correctly inthe comics, the way they got rid
of galactus the first time wasthe ultimate nullifier.
Am I misremembering?
Because that's like such a like, such a ridiculous device uh,
that this is, this is beyond myknowledge oh, okay, so you're on

(01:08:16):
your own here, rich, youexplain it to us all right.
So basically the ultimatenullifier let me just pull it up
is a powerful cosmic artifactin the marvel universe known for
its ability to erase anythingthe wielder chooses, even entire
timelines or concepts.
So it was something that wasactually found aboard his ship
and then, uh, it was kind ofused to kind of keep him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Do they use that in secret wars as well?

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
to get rid of, I believe so.
So the nullifier, it's weird tome that, I don't know.
I just thought it might show upin the movie and I felt like
they went with this kind ofoverly convoluted I mean it was.
You know, look, I liked theidea that obviously this is a
different world and everybody'spitching in and that was kind of

(01:08:59):
cool.
Oh, before I forget, the surferis surfing.
I I don't know if you guys readthe don slot run, uh, so in it
his board actually has a name.
So like one day he's hangingout with this uh earth lady and
he ends up taking her out likethe whole series, the whole run
is like him traveling the starswith her and she's like what's

(01:09:22):
your board's name?
And like when, when she hadheard him say, uh to me, my
board.
So she's like is his name to me?
and that just ends up being hisname is to me, uh, because like
she overheard him say to me myboard and I, I I just thought it
was such a nice because theyend up anthropomorphizing the
board.

(01:09:42):
The board becomes kind of likea character.
He's kind of got like a littlebit of a personality.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Right, they actually.
Johnny has this like innermonologue throughout a portion
of the movie that he's onlyspeaking to himself, where he's
trying to figure out if theboard is part of her body or not
, and he, like, finally gets theaha moment.
They're separate.
So I kind of want to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
I mean, obviously they didn't have the time for
that there, but I thought thatwas great.
I thought the Galacta stuff wasgreat.
When he rose, as I was sayingbefore, it reminded me of
walking in past curfew and thelights were off and my mom was
like do you know what?
time and you're like oh mygoodness, I didn't even know you
were there.
Uh, you know so that, uh, I'vebeen here the whole time you

(01:10:29):
know I love that, uh, so, yeah,no, I I think that the like the
villain side or whatever, theydid a really good job.
You know, I think there needsto.
There does need to be moreexploration, like, silver Surfer
is a guy or a character for me.
That, that's the.
That's a guy or a character whoshould have like a mini series,

(01:10:50):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Oh yeah, it's such an interesting story I don't need
a movie I'm not, I'm not goingto go to the movies, just to go
see Silver Surfer or a special,yeah, like a, like an hour-long
special, like they, I think thatwould be perfect, like they did
with the guardians of holidayspecial that's or I think
they're doing that for uh, orlike they did um werewolf by
night.
That would be another one ofthose um like special.

(01:11:13):
I think they're doing apunisher special as well, if I
remember correctly.
Yeah, let's, uh.
Let's round this out by talkingabout the post-credit scene,
because I think it is a, or amid-credit scene, because I
think it is a mid-credit scene.
I think it's a pretty notablesetup for what we're going to be
experiencing in the two-partDoomsday slash Secret Wars event
that Marvel is leading up to,and it actually did get me

(01:11:34):
excited because it startedgetting the juices flowing in my
head like, oh, so that's whatthey're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
What were your thoughts?
Go ahead you.
I just want to ask you, this issuch a minor quibble.
The the mid scene got youexcited, right.
So now, when you waited to thelast one, were you slightly
irritated?
Because I feel like if theywould have flipped them and
given us the cartoon as the midscene, I've been like, oh,
that's cool.
And then I would have seen thelast one and be like oh snap.

(01:12:02):
Instead I was like oh snap, andthen I was like I waited around
another six minutes for thisall right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
So for more like to marvel's credit pretty much
pretty much ever since.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
That was me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Thank you pretty much ever since uh avengers in 2012,
they've been doing the dumbscenes at the very end like that
that's.
That's when they entered, likethe the shawarma shop and
they're all just like eatingshawarma around a table and it's
such.
I love that scene, but it'sstupid, you know, like you're
waiting around for like whatelse?
What else are they?

(01:12:36):
What they got planned and it'sjust them eating food.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
So they mention it in the movie, though they mention
it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
They do yeah so it was kind of relevant, you know.
But no, this one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I don't know.
I I don't know if you couldstack this one too.
I mean, it was a cute littlecartoony thing, but I do feel
like the placement would havebeen better if it was swapped.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I I agree with I gotta, I gotta look up, got to
look up, I got to look up.
So, no, I actually disagreewith both of you.
I do think that they need thebigger reveal shortly after the
credits, like after the midportion of the credits.
And the reason they do that isbecause you're still in the

(01:13:18):
movie, vibe, you know, you'restill feeling the energy of the
movie.
If they cut you with a cartoon,the energy of the movie, um, if
they they cut you with uh, youknow, a cartoon, a lot of people
are going to leave.
They're not going to see whatyou want them to see.
That's just a little flavortext at the end.
You know, like and they've beendoing it for a while, it's,
it's not the shawarma scene,isn't, uh, the only time that
they've done that.
They've done that a couple timesnow well, I would say, I would

(01:13:39):
say howard the duck, howard, theduck at the end of like
guardians, uh like useless, butit's so funny like it's well, I
would say like you, maybe, youknow, change up the formula a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
I mean, they are floundering, you know, you know
okay, all right, all right, allright whatever to to make things
go, but um what?

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
what did you guys think of?

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
uh, what they showed, because some people are
theorizing that that's actuallya scene from avengers doomsday I
mean it could be because youknow, yeah, uh, if doom has in
the comics I'm pretty sure doombasically kind of either
invented the same form of travelthat reed did, the platform,
the time platform thing, so ifthat's what he's using, uh, it

(01:14:21):
makes you know you can play withit in any which way you want
okay right, because because itit would.
I mean, obviously, doom hasmagic as well, but you, he just
appears there.
There's no sign of, of, youknow, forced entry.
Uh, there was no loud crash, itwas a very quiet invasion, if

(01:14:44):
you want to call it that.
So, almost like a secretiveinvasion, um so, um, so it
actually what?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
I just looked it up, that was robert downey jr in in
that costume.
So I have to assume that theywouldn't have, you know, paid
him millions upon millions to,you know, film a scene for this
movie and that it is a scenefrom another movie.
I think it is probably filmedfor Doomsday and they used it in
this movie just because ittotally works.
But I think the scene is veryimportant, like extremely

(01:15:17):
important for the future ofmarvel studios because if you
think about, or if you, you know, if you know, uh, franklin
richards, and you know his powerside, franklin richards creates
universes like he, he's able tocreate universes and, in some
cases, multiverses like he, justhe, he's literally, he makes
little pocket dimensions thatcan be blown up into actual

(01:15:40):
worlds Like he's.
Like If he was equated to amutant, he would be above omega
level mutant, it's just there'snothing quite like it in Marvel
In terms of reality warming.
So I think that this is how theycreate Battle world In Secret
Wars, when they eventually getthere.

(01:16:01):
So battle world For those ofyou who don't know is basically
doom, uh, and it's not alwaysdoom uh, but they, they, they
have doom in these comics.
But I and I think that they'regoing to use doom as, like, the
main antagonist here but um, heisn't the main antagonist in
those comics, but basically,like they create this battle
world scenario where they bringdifferent, different characters

(01:16:24):
from different worlds to bat, toduke it out, and then they
realize, oh wait, we're mostlyall on the same side and they
find a way to get out of thisbattle world scenario.
Um, and I think doom is goingto use, uh, franklin richards to
uh, not only traverse themultiverse but to create battle

(01:16:44):
world and and basically bringall of these disparate heroes
from the x-men universe, from828, from 616, I think he's
they're all just going to comeum, using the power of this
four-year-old kid, uh, so Ithink that could be a really
cool connective tissue thingthat they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah, because they use the molecule.
I think Doom steals the powersof the Beyonders.
Yeah, it's the Beyonders,that's correct.
And then using Molecule manright, he's an important part of
it because I think he's inevery universe or something.
So that'll definitely be aworkaround here.
I hope it.
Did you guys play Lego MarvelSuper Heroes 2?

(01:17:23):
No, no.
So they kind of do the battleworld, but here what they do is
like it's a slice of everyreality, right as like as the
map.
So like you fly from like Suterto, you know, to the Kree home
planet, whatever, like you'reyou kind of, yeah, it contains
all of them in that.
I hope that in some way we getto see like some sort of

(01:17:47):
amalgamed battle world that haslike elements, not just the
people, but like elements oftheir world, uh, in it.
I don't know, it's just a crazyidea, but I remember like they
had the noir world.
So when you went into that area, like everybody was black, you
turned black and white.
I hope they really lean into thedifferences, because he can

(01:18:08):
create anything.
He's a child, he's going to beimaginative.
Who knows if he'smisinterpreting where he's
taking people from?
I think it's going to be reallyawesome and I'm actually really
happy.
Think it's going to be reallyawesome and I'm actually really
happy that doom is going to beiron man, because I think it's
there's going to be a lot oflayering there to why?

(01:18:31):
Because you know, in theoriginal comics they're they're
like college roommates, aren'tthey?
reed richards and and dr doomlike a lot of what makes doom
doom right is his like desirealmost to it's two things he
wants to be better than reedrichards and he wants to save
his mom's soul from mephistoright yes, that's, correct so

(01:18:54):
I'm also interested to see ifwe're going to see mephisto come
into play um, because he was uh, he was in iron heart.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
So they're definitely they're bringing all these
these plot threads together.
Uh, so it'll be interesting.
Um, I think we should bring ourpodcast to a close, even though
, like I, I feel like we couldkeep talking about the minutiae
about this movie.
But uh final thoughts.
Anthony, what are your thoughtson fantastic four, now that
we've regurgitated our opinionsfor an hour?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
It's Fantastic Four.
It's a solid movie.
If you are attentive aboutwatching it, just know that I
say that it is worth a watch.
At least the visuals are reallycool.
So it is one of those moviesthat is good to see on a large
screen.
But I had a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
I concur, I don't normally.
You know, sometimes JackSparrow brings me some things
that I get to watch.
But aside from that, like thisis one of those times where I
got to agree here, you got to goto the movies for this, go to
your Wednesday matinee, that's,you know know, five bucks or
something.
But I, I look it's summertime,it's hot outside.

(01:20:07):
I mean, I, if, if you likepopcorn and you like not
sweating and you like fun movies, I I don't see how you can miss
with this one.
I don't, I can't picture anyonegoing to this unless you know
nothing about the Fantastic Fourat all.
And honestly, my wife knows,other than the fact that they're

(01:20:27):
a family, she knows very littleof it and she enjoyed it, you
know.
I think anyone can really goand enjoy this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Yeah, I think there's very little baggage when it
comes to the MCU, when it comesto movie, because it takes place
in an entirely different world.
There's no other heroes that weknow of on this world that
we've seen before.
Entirely new villains, entirelynew concepts and, I would say,
an entirely new story, like theidea of the child being the
thing that they're trying toprotect, but they're also trying

(01:20:56):
to protect the world.
It's a really fascinating takeon the Incredibles.
It's basically the incredibles,if you like.
The incredibles it's.
It's exactly the same formula,you know, like to a t, and I
know incredibles was based offof fantastic four, uh, but even
like the montage, the use ofmole man as a character, uh,

(01:21:17):
instead of what do they callthem in incredibles?
At the end, the Undertaker orsomething.
Yeah, jack-jack being a foil forFranklin Richards like being
the most powerful of the fivefamily members, it's funny.
It's a nice comparison.
So, if you like stuff likeIncredibles, which actually has

(01:21:39):
a very similar visual feel aswell, because it's almost, you
know, that mid-century modernlook that we get all over
Fantastic Four, but without yeah, I'm going crazy here, but
let's dial it back.
Fantastic Four good movie.
Top five MCU movie.
I feel like I've been sayingtop five MCU movie for a while.
It's almost as if I don'tactually mean it, but I really

(01:22:08):
did enjoy this one and, yeah,guys, definitely give it a watch
.
Thank you so much for listeningto us here for our 128th episode
of Project Geekology.
If you want to check out any ofour socials, be sure to check
down into the show notes.
For all of that and more, Imade a recent video on YouTube,
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Some people liked the video.
It's gotten some decent numbers.
I find a really cool Easter eggin it and I hope you check it

(01:22:32):
out.
We'll leave that in the shownotes also.
And for now, toodaloo guys,somebody save me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Tune in to next week or no?
Oh yeah, tune in to next weekor no.
Oh yeah, tune in to next weekfor our episode on Little Town.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Rich is dying laughing.
I said save somebody, save me.
I've been holding that theentire episode.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
I'm so angry at you.
An hour and a half I was like Ican't wait to just I had that
on my phone.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Now finish him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
I blast that driving down the highway.
I'm so sorry.
You know you get to say it atthe end.
Alright, guys, have a good one.
Bye bye oh god, save me.

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