2025 Tour Championship Preview

Matt Cook and Buttsy dive into a lively discussion on Scottie Scheffler's recent BMW Championship win and his consistent performance, drawing comparisons to Tiger Woods' mental game. The episode also touches on the U.S. Amateur Championships and the ongoing debate between match play and stroke play formats. They explore the evolving landscape of golf equipment technology and make predictions for the FedEx Cup Tour Championship. The conversation shifts to LIV Golf drama, including Jon Rahm's controversy and Phil Mickelson speculations. Buttsy shares updates on his health kick and cooking content, while the duo acknowledges their sponsors and gives a nod to Brent Grant.

Episode Transcript

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Somebody I saw it on X that somebody wastalking about the fact that numbers are up.

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Viewership numbers are through the roof.
So everybody who had the kind of the rhetoricaround Scottie Scheffler being boring and
people don't want to watch him and watch himwin, completely wrong, right?
I think people now have bought in where ScottieScheffler in interviews and so forth has shown
more personality.
He's just not—he's the exact opposite of whatTiger Woods was.

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He's a family guy.
He—like, golf isn't his, like, biggest thing inlife, like, where to Tiger Woods it was, and we
adored Tiger that.
Where with Scottie Scheffler, I think peopleare starting to really appreciate the greatness
of what we're seeing with him.
I was talking with Dr.
Lee Picariello too about Tiger Woods and hejumped in and he's like, Matt, with Tiger, he

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was head and shoulders above everybody at thattime mentally.
I mean, is it another golf tournament or shouldyou be rewarded handsomely for and given
strokes for how well you did all year?
I don't know.
I think they had built it up so much over thepast year.
Season-long race.
Season-long race.
Yeah.
And it's like, okay, now we're down to the endand literally whoever wins this wins it.

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So, like, we know pro golf.
Anybody in that top 30 could win it this week,and somebody who didn't have a single win and
wins one event could end up taking the crown.
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf thepodcast.

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I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Back in action tonight, we've got our co-host,Buttsy, here with us as well.
And, man, do we have an episode for you becausethis is the 2025 Tour Championship preview
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Today's day 62.
Of that, there's been a little bit of a hiccup.
It's funny.
I got a message from an audience member onInstagram going, hey, man, like, just been a
new follower just started, seeing all thesestories.
He's like, what's the deal with the 5 a.m.

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comeback?
He's like, I'm motivated to wake up now at 5a.m.
and go walk my dog, but what else are youdoing?
And so I broke it all out for him and was like,hey, I apologize.
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comeback.
That being said, I just got new people intoday, so I will be getting back after it.
I feel like I had a weeklong hiatus and wassupposed to be in L.A.
last weekend, but that trip got canceled.
More details to come around all of that as thiscontent starts coming out.

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And then, yeah, let's get into the episode now.
We've talked enough about our sponsors for abit.
The tee-off report with Buttsy.
We're bringing this segment right on back withButtsy being back in the house.
Fuck.
What is it today?
Man, I'll tell you what, man.
I saw some new ads coming out of the Buttsyworld and one of them was quite interesting, so

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to speak.
So I do want to ask you.
Most embarrassing content as a content creatoras Trot referenced.
In golf, what's the most embarrassing thingyou've been asked to do to date?
Oh, man.
There's a lot.
There's a lot of self-inflicted that I didn'thave to be asked to do.

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That was very embarrassing.
Being asked to do, we did this with Short Par4, we did this Valentine's Day special.
We were driving all over Florida shooting thiscontent one day about how I was gonna treat my
girl right and you gotta treat your girl right.
And the episode basically finished with it notbeing a girl.

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It's like basically you're in the shower andyou're about to have sex and it's your putter
and it's your putter
cover.
And
anyways, so there were some people that werewatching this film and I'm like butt naked in a
robe out at this golf course in Florida with acigar.
No, I was smoking a cigarette I think.
And saying this stuff and I had no idea thatpeople were around, turned the corner, and

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they'd just been sitting there listening to thewhole thing, and then this guy shows up with a
rub, and I had to try to explain myself.
But, yeah, laying in bed and then having it cutto the putter cover, and then, like, kinda
macking on the putter cover.
That was pretty embarrassing to do that oncamera.
It felt really weird.
That's kind of my follow-up question is, arethere any moments to where you look back and

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you're like, man, that was so cringe.
Like, why did I do that?
Why did I allow them to tell me to do that?
Is that one of those or else that comes tomind?
That's probably like, honest to God, like 75%of the shit that comes out.
Especially when you watch like some of thefirst videos that we ever did out there at
Papago.

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And if you've never seen them, you might thinkthey're funny, but like if you knew me now and
you look back, you're like, dude, dude, dude,is what the fuck is that?
Like, nobody wants to watch themselves.
It's a very weird feeling anyways.
I'm sure you can relate to that.
Like, if you go watch your podcast or what youknow what I mean?
It's like, I fucking sound so stupid or shitlike that.

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You know what I mean?
It's funny because during the day, I run apodcast agency and I have podcast hosts that
when they're just starting out, they are like,oh my gosh, that episode was so bad.
Like, why did we publish it?
And you realize really quick because and I cancompletely relate, which was one of the reasons
why I started Pull Hook Golf in the first placegoing back over three years ago now.

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And I tell them, I'm like, listen, for thefirst year, I couldn't watch a single episode.
I was like, oh, it's so bad.
Like, it's so terrible.
And really what kinda kept me going, especiallyearly on, was the audience members to where I'd
get a DM here and there to be like, hey man,love your content, love what you're doing.
I'm a huge fan and so that type of stuff kindagot me through to where it's like, okay, this

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is gonna be worthwhile and then we hit thatgrowth spurt and it's like, man, okay.
This all makes sense now.
Like there's real numbers behind it, realpeople are listening to this content and that
ultimately made it worthwhile.
But I still like even going in when I would dothe editing, like I would do it almost in a way

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to where I like I didn't wanna remember whatwas actually happening.
And now that, like, we've had editors editingthe content and everything, and now we are
officially under the Mission Matters umbrellawhen it comes to the editing of this content
that I don't look at it all again.
Like, I do not wanna see it, I don't wanna goback, I
don't have
to rewatch.

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Even the clips now are being done by the team,it is awesome.
They do a fantastic job on our reels and clips.
So I'm just like, yep.
Don't even need to, like, view those, oranything along those lines.
Because they always ask me like, hey, do youwanna review the content?
I'm like, absolutely not.
No.
I'm good.
I'm good.
That Sydney Sweeney spoof that I'm sure you'rereferring to.

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You knew.
That was pretty that was pretty embarrassing.
Are you familiar with HoZho?
The organization HoZho, they own all those likesuper mansions in Scottsdale like Airbnbs.
Anyways okay.
We're filming at one
of their properties.
Yeah.
So I'm out there with no shirt on with thesetight jeans and I'm putting the jacket on, and

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I'm, like, literally getting oiled up.
And as this is going on, they're digging a lazyriver, and there's, like, nine outdoor workers
out there, and they start, like, catcalling andshit.
I didn't even know they were out there.
They're like, what?
I was like, oh shit.
Like, I'm pretty sure they thought we werefilming a porno or something.

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We got all these lights and shit outside duringthe day and I got, like, start taking my yeah.
So that was pretty bad.
I will say this though, you have been on thehealth kick and you can tell in that particular
ad as to some of the stuff you're doing aroundthat.
So Buttsy's always posting content, folks, onInstagram.
So make sure to check out his content when itcomes to his stories and everything to where

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he's going in the gym.
Your cooking stuff is great though.
Every time we're on the golf course, and I'lljust mention this real fast.
Every time we're on the golf course, it'salways, oh my gosh, you're Buttsy, I love your
cooking stuff.
That doesn't happen a lot.
Never never like, I love your golf content.
I love this.
I love that.
It's always, I love the cooking stuff, whichyou do a great job with all of that as well.

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But there we go.
We knocked the tee off report with Buttsy rightout of the ballpark, bringing it back.
Love that.
Let's get right into Scottie Scheffler winningthe BMW Championship.
And without Ted Scott, by the way.
So this is the first time he has ever won a PGATour event without Ted Scott on the bag.

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So I gotta ask you, man.
I mean, is he officially just the guy?
Like, for a little bit there, I mean, we'rekinda being like, wow.
Is Ted Scott the greatest caddie of all time?
Scottie Scheffler could be a tough bag.
We know this.
Like, we were giving a lot of credit to TedScott.
But now that Scottie Scheffler went out thereand looked exactly like Scottie Scheffler does

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without the only other time that we've seenthis is the PGA Championship where he got
arrested and then had to go and that the oneday had the replacement caddie on there.
I I forget the damn guy's name.
It's one of Ted Scott's good the
replacement in this one?
It's the same guy.
So same, it's the preacher.

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Gosh.
I forget his name.
It's a preacher.
Yeah.
So he's like the tour preacher, that goesaround, with the tour and so forth and good
buddies with Ted Scott and Scottie Scheffler,obviously a big Christian.
So just really felt natural.
By the way, the guy's also a really good golfertoo.
So there's that part to it.

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But, yeah, Scottie Scheffler just goes outthere and dominates.
So are we to the point now where ScottieScheffler, they're like, it's no longer, oh my
goodness, like how great he is, but Ted Scottis the man alongside him that has to be there
in order to see him perform.
Like, are we past that now with this situationtaking place?

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Okay.
Alright.
To your point with Teddy, so I think Scottiejust wins by more with Teddy.
I think he's capable of doing it on his own.
I think it was a combination.
I think it was Rory McIlroy shit down his legthe last day, and Scottie played halfway
decent.
If Ted's there, he probably wins by, like,eight, you know?

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So I think he just had his, he had his B gameand it was good enough to clip old Rory
McIlroy.
Yeah.
Mike Cromie is the guy's name.
So
Cromie's.
Yeah.
And good old Trott Golfer says that he would'vewon by seven with God.
So, mean, once again, it goes to how good thatScottie Scheffler is, first of all.

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Second of all, with Ted Scott, obviously, theyare a dynamic duo, but Scottie Scheffler now
has shown that he can win without Ted Scott onthe bag.
And talk him talking about just beingconsistent, like, literally, the dude shot
rounds of 66, 65, 67, 67.

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And that type of consistency folks isterrifying for guys that are out there because
you know he's not going backwards.
Right?
If he's up towards the top of the leaderboard,it's kinda like with vintage Tiger where guys
would just start to falter because they knewthat they couldn't make a mistake and they knew

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Tiger was coming.
He's gotten used to it.
Like, it's no longer he gets in the arena andwonders if he can get it done.
He fucking knows he's going to get it done.
Like, he's proven that to himself enough atthis point.
Like you said, if he's there, he's gonna staythere.
He's not gonna go out shoot, you know, 75 thelast day and shit the tournament away.

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There's no nerves that I could tell at all.
So yeah.
There really isn't at this point.
And it's funny, we'll get to that next.
But well, actually, let's get right into themindset discussion, right?
Because I've been somewhat critical where it'slike, we've never heard about Scottie Scheffler
having a mental team.

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Right?
Whether there's a performance coach or a mentalcoach or anything along those lines or a
psychologist.
Nothing.
Right?
However, I was talking with Dr.
Lee Piccarella around this, who is myperformance coach.
He reached out to me with the 5 a.m.
comeback, was like, hey, I wanna coach you.
Let's do this thing.
And I knew him through working with MajorLeague Baseball teams and Major League Baseball

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players.
So he has worked with golfers in the past.
He's also the creator of Mindful AthleteTraining.
I will have him on the podcast at some point inthe near future because the guy's an absolute
riot.
He's from Philly, like, just an absolute, like,gem of a human being and really knows his

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stuff.
Like, when it came down to it, like, some ofthe stuff we were going over, I'm like, wow,
this is really resonating with what ScottieScheffler is doing.
Because he talks about how you don't wanna beon either extreme.
So you don't want something that matters sodamn much to you that it's like life or death
or something obviously on the other extremethat doesn't matter at all to you.

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You want to be somewhere in the middle in orderto have and be able to perform at your absolute
peak performance because that'll keep yourfocus up, but it'll keep the nerves down a bit.
And I think that's what we have seen fromScottie Scheffler and I brought it up to him
like, it seems like that is what we have withScottie to where he has just figured out right

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in the middle where Yeah.
We heard it during the Open Championship.
Right?
We heard him talk about his mindset that golfis not the most important thing in his life.
And if he was done tomorrow, he's gonna be morefocused on being a father and being a husband
rather than, you know, worrying about beingthis top golfer.

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And I think that terrified players.
Like, everybody was talking about ScottieScheffler that week.
Obviously, goes out and gets the job done.
But we also have a scenario now to where it'slike watching him this past week, it just
looked like he was doing his thing.
Like, there was nothing that was going to stophim from shooting. I

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I have a theory on
I have a theory on this. This.
This.
When he said that, right, and he's talkingabout how it's not the most important thing, to
me that's like a mental bat flip.
Like, that's like pimping on everybody.
It's so hard, almost in a Tiger way, where,like, Tiger was really poised and quiet and
calm and, like, ruthless when he would talk inpress conferences, but Scottie's kind of doing

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that cocky, but you can't get mad at him kindof thing in his own way, I feel like, by saying
shit like that.
And I don't believe that when he is on the golfcourse, winning the golf tournament is not the
most important thing on his mind.
I think that's a bunch of bullshit.
Like, when he's actually out there, he wants toabsolutely murder people.

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So you think it was a mental game that he wasplaying with everybody?
I I think it's a mental game.
I think it it feeds his own psyche to to bethat way.
Like you're saying, like, yeah, it calms youdown, and it puts you in a spot where you're
just elite and above everybody else almost bysaying that it doesn't matter to you.
I mean, that's just shitting on everybody bysaying that it doesn't matter, and it's not the

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most important thing.
Guys are out there spending their entire lives,blood, sweat, and tears, and they're very open
about that.
He comes in and just like, yeah, don't know.
I just kinda win and like, I'm just the bestand I mean, I guess that's cool.
Like, what?
Well, it goes to his faith.
And and we were talking about it to where it'slike, this might just be something very natural

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for him.
To where like, it's not like he has a greaterpower that he's like doing this for versus
himself versus like but I I get what you'resaying because we all know Scottie Scheffler is
super competitive.
So it's think there's
a little bit of gamesmanship is all I'm saying.
I like that angle and if that is accurate, Iwould applaud Scottie Scheffler for doing it

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because it clearly got into the guy's head.
It's fucking worse.
You saw it with Bobby McIntyre.
Like, he had a couple-shot lead going into thefinal round and just faltered throughout the
day, just couldn't get it done.
And it was just a tough scene to watch withBobby Mac where Scottie Scheffler was just
steady Eddie.

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I mean, he had one hole where he three-puttedfrom short range for a birdie and it looked
like, oh shoot, he's faltered.
And then he ends up I don't know if it was ahole later or not, but he ends up chipping in
with the most ridiculous chip shot.
And then I told Dr.

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Lee, I was like, man, you could see like, tothe average person watching this, they're like,
wow.
Scottie Scheffler has no emotions whatsoever.
However, if you see Scottie all the time, youknow that you can see that, no, that Scottie
Scheffler fired up after making that.

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Like, he might look calm on the exterior, buthe might be going nuts on the inside.
And I think that's more of what we were seeingthere with the
This is what I'm saying, bro.
Did he not immediately look at McIntyre when itwent in?
It's a good question.
The camera angle did make it look like he did.
Looked right at him.

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Oh, did you see that?
Like, did you I don't know if you saw oh,literally to see his reaction, I'm almost
positive that's what happened.
You know, it's wild too.
Granted, it's not the Masters.
It's not as dramatic, but the Titleist logokind of as it was kinda getting to that final,
it was like I said, it's not as dramatic asTiger's but it had that resemblance where all

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of a sudden the Titleist golf ball logo andthen it drops and it's like, oh my goodness.
We are watching greatness right now.
And somebody—I saw it on X that somebody wastalking about the fact that numbers are up.
Viewership numbers are through the roof.
So everybody who had the kind of the rhetoricaround Scottie Scheffler being boring and

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people don't wanna watch him and watch him win,completely wrong.
Right?
I think people now have bought in where ScottieScheffler in interviews and so forth has shown
more personality.
He's just not—he's the exact opposite of whatTiger Woods was.
He's a family guy.
He like, golf isn't his, like, biggest thing inlife, like, where to Tiger Woods it was, and we

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adored Tiger for that.
Where with Scottie Scheffler, I think peopleare starting to really appreciate the greatness
of what we're seeing with him.
What do
you think?
I think, like I was just saying, I think it'sjust an alternate version of elite extreme
confidence to talk like that.
That's my take on it.
And maybe that's just because it's coming frommy psyche, but that's what I'm seeing when I

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see him talk like that.
It's just—it's just extreme confidence to talkabout a professional sport and dominating it in
such a lax and unimportant fashion.
That's just the ultimate flex to me.
Yeah.
So I'm trying to see.
Let's
I've see if turned we can myself playback onhere.
What's going
So while we're waiting on Buttsy here, you havegot nothing else to talk about in the Oh,

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actually, the other thing that I was talkingabout with Dr.
Lee Piccarello is Tiger Woods.
That that was one of the biggest things wasTiger Woods there we go.
You are back.
But I was just saying
It's kinda weird when you just like one daycan't see your own, you know?
I was talking with Dr.
Lee Piccarello too about Tiger Woods.

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And he jumped in and he's like, Matt, withTiger, he was head and shoulders above
everybody at that time mentally.
Like, that was one of the biggest advantagesTiger had to where he knew it and they knew it.
And now we're starting to get to the point towhere it's like, dang.
Scottie Scheffler, man.

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And if he can we still see it from time to timewith Scottie that he'll lose his temper a bit
out there.
Like we saw it at the U.S.
Open a little bit to where he couldn't quiterecover the way that he normally does.
So it's still happening a little bit.
Sure.
But he's just so freaking consistent right now.

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And it's in a way it's boring but in a way it'sbeautiful because he's able to do it so
consistently, right?
It's wonderful.
It's wonderful to watch, man.
It's it's enjoyable to watch when he's got a Bor better golf game going because nobody can
sniff it.
Nobody nobody's controlling the golf ball thatwell.
It's just I just don't you see a lot of goodshots, but like you said, not as consistently

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as he does it.
Yeah.
And this brings me I don't wanna get off on atangent here, but like I watched this.
I think it's an older clip where Bryson'stalking about, I hit it too high.
I'm working with a ball manufacturer right nowto, you know, hopefully tune my game or
whatever.
I swing too hard, I'm like, dude, there's a lotof people that swing hard.
And Scottie Scheffler, you know, he's—could heswing harder?

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Probably.
He's swinging in a fashion that allows him tocontrol his golf ball.
And I get pissed when I hear Bryson talk abouthow equipment manufacturers need to meet the
demand of being steep or overpowering golfshots.
It's like, dude, why don't you figure out maybetake a little something out of his playbook?
Why don't you figure out how to control a golfball better?

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I don't and
that's what Scottie Scheffler does beautifully.
I'm glad you brought that up.
He controls his spin and his shot control isjust through the roof.
Then the numbers obviously prove that.
But it's just wild that he is head andshoulders above everybody else.

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Like, he's actually doing it in a way to whereit's very, like, it's an art.
Like, we're watching kind of the—I don't know.
It feels more old-school golf to me than thebomb it as far as you possibly can.
Go find it and then try to hit a wedge in tightand make a putt.

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It just feels different with Scottie Scheffler.
Like, the workability, the shot control.
They play the green complexes.
Like, you see the ball land 15, 20 feet left.
A lot like what Tiger used to do.
I mean, I remember, what's the par 3 where heswept it in from the right to that front left
pin and moved it across the green, like, 35feet or whatever it was.

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And it was—you know what I'm talking about?
Where it was, like, five feet just short frontof the hole?
Yep.
Pretty classic shot for Tiger, but Scottie doesstuff like that, where you see it kind of land
left and kind of works with the green complexover to the hole.
The percentages that he plays to are justbetter.
I don't know.
I just think there's not as many guys out theredoing that.
Everybody's kind of either on the number orthey're off.
And we're talking about the best in the world,so it's crazy.

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A little segue, and we'll weave back to theTour Championship.
But also this weekend, what was on was the U.S.
Amateur Championships.
That was really fun to watch because obviouslyit's match play.
Everybody, if you've listened to this podcastbefore, you know my opinion on match play.
I love match play.

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It is the truest form, in my opinion, of golfbecause your opponent is right there.
You're playing against them.
It's not like you've got 64 or whatever otherplayers that are there with you, playing in a
golf tournament that you can't see what they'redoing.
You don't know what they're up to.
Like, match play is right there in front ofyou.

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And just from a pure sports aspect, I just lovematch play.
The best form, in my opinion, in golf, and Iknow others that disagree and say it doesn't
play as well on TV.
Again, I kind of disagree with that.
But the one thing that I did see as we weretalking about Scottie Scheffler and how he

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works the ball and so forth and has this greatcontrol, the U.S.
Am.
I loved the fact that these kids were playinggolf in a different way than what we see on the
PGA Tour.
Right?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That they're hitting draws, they're hittingsome cuts, they're hitting some wayward golf
shots as well.

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And that, to me, it was just fun to see kind ofthe creative golf.
Yeah.
That was out there.
And there were a few guys that were just makingsome ridiculous recovery shots.
And again, it's kind of different from whatwe're seeing.
And it really reminded me that, man, I wishgolf would get back to being an art form

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versus, hey, huge-headed drivers, just bomb itas far as you can.
The golf ball goes straight.
It's so much easier to hit than back in the daywhen we had a Titleist 975D, you know, with
those tiny heads.
I think instead of rolling the golf ball back,I'm a big proponent in just having the head of

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the driver coming down in size to even lessthan what the mini drivers are.
And all of a sudden, you'd have to work it andhit the golf ball a lot more on the center of
the face in order to get it out there.
I think that they should mess with the, maybenot like the total elasticity of the ball, like

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how it jumps off the face.
Right?
But I think they should mess with theparameters of how much it spins.
For like, one, guys will be able to work thegolf ball a lot more.
I mean, remember back in the nineties and you'dsee so many shots land 20 feet behind the hole
and you'd have to get that right?
Or short game shots that spun more, whatever.
But it would also play right into the hands ofguys like Scottie that know how to dead hand,

(28:53):
which is a shot.
I don't even know if people play any like, youhave to play anymore.
Right?
Like, dead handing it to take spin off andstuff like that.
Now it's just basically hit it the same everytime and get really good at doing that.
Yeah.
Like you said.
But if you had to start learning how to deadhand or give a little more risk to create spin
on certain situations, blah blah blah, I'm withyou.
But I think they could do that with the ball.

(29:13):
I think they could make it spin more, and thatwould affect total distance probably unless you
were able to really control it.
Like, if you want to hit a flat low spin hookdown there to get some yardage out of it, okay,
you could do that.
It doesn't just go a mile in the air with nospin, naturally.
Yeah.
And I just think it has to be the driver thatends up doing that because, like, drivers are

(29:37):
too easy to hit right now.
And, you look at a guy that's shooting a 100and he's like, driver's the hardest club in the
bag.
And it's like, man, we have these huge headsnow.
But somebody I can't remember which golfanalyst talked about this a long time ago, that
Adam Scott would have so many more wins andwould be literally one of the best drivers of

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the golf ball and the longest if the club headremained small for drivers.
Because guys couldn't go after it the way thatthey go after it now and have the type of
precision that is there because all thesedrivers do for the most part is go straight or
with a fade.
And they're built that way.
Right?
Bryson complained about the fact that none ofthese drivers are built to be able to draw the

(30:23):
golf ball, which is what he wants to do.
And I just it to me sorry.
I'm getting on a a rant here around
only devil's advocate to that would be like Idon't know.
If you look at the face of a tour player'sdriver, I mean, I don't think that that wear
mark has changed in 40 years.

(30:43):
I think that's still inside of the size of adime of where they're routinely making contact
with it.
So like, again, you could change the size.
I think the size lends to spin.
I think it allows them to create less spin andhigher launch, right, more than anything,
which, like you're saying, you get more of aone-dimensional shot.

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You can swing harder at it withoutover-spinning the golf ball at 130 miles an
hour, and it goes further.
And it goes further with less side spin, whichmeans it's not gonna go left or right as much.
So to your point, if you make it smaller, Ithink that's what's gonna change is the ability
to manipulate the launch and the spin of thegolf ball.

(31:30):
Here's the other thing too.
And obviously, it's super hypothetical becauseof the standpoint that the golf ball is gonna
be rolling back.
There's no talks in regards to the equipmentside of it.
At least, I haven't heard anybody talking aboutthe equipment side of it where, let's face it,
a really good solution would be if it was justat the pro level.

(31:53):
So like it doesn't affect amateurs.
And I don't think the golf ball roll backshould affect amateurs.
I feel like that should remain the same andgolf clubs should remain the same.
It's just like in college baseball versus goingand
playing in pro baseball.
Yeah.
They play aluminum bats.
Wood when you get to the show like

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And there's a difference there.
There's a big difference there.
Baseball players will tell you very quicklythat's, you know, there's just a massive
difference between the two, and that's how Ireally feel like golf in the traditional sense
should go back to a driver that looks more likea three wood and start to make the golf ball

(32:34):
move again.
You think if they
had to play wood on the PGA Tour.
Well, you had to play wood.
Well, also remember going back in the day,dude, to where, like, my golf instructor back
in the day, like in high school, told me, hey,hit it off the heel if you wanna hit a big cut,

(32:54):
a big high cut.
Hit it off the toe if you wanna hit a low,like, draw.
Because back in that back in the day, like, youcould work the golf ball just based off of
where you wanna hit it on the face too.
For sure.
So I would love to see that kinda come back.
That would be fun in my opinion.
But let's get to the Tour Championship itselfand let's talk a little bit about the changes

(33:20):
that were made.
So this year, they are not starting with the 10strokes and working their way down.
Do you like that everyone is gonna start at alevel playing field?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Why why would you why would you start with alead?
It's golf.
It's not NASCAR.
Like, what?
I never understood that.
Do you what are your thoughts on that?

(33:43):
My my thing is I think they are moving in theright direction because last year was a little
bit boring where it's like, alright, ScottieScheffler's gonna win.
Like, he's too consistent.
He's he's got a lead on everybody.
Collin Morikawa would have actually won theevent if they had played straight up.
And you just kinda and Scottie ended up winningby four.

(34:05):
So you're like, okay, this needs to be changed.
However, the change itself, top 30 players,like, do all 30 players deserve a chance to win
this week?
Like to win the Tour Championship and be thatguy.
I don't know if I agree with the top 30players, which is my next question for you.

(34:30):
Is the field in your opinion for this week toobig at 30 players, too small, or just right?
How hard is it to be in the top 30 on the PGATour by the end of the season?
Pretty tough, but I mean, there's guys on therethat, you know, don't have a win yet.
Don't have a win but, you know, you got likeFleetwood, you got all these I don't even know

(34:52):
if he's in the top 30.
I'm sure he is.
Right?
He's gotta.
You
got Rickie Fowler in there.
If you're in the top 20, like consistently andyou don't win, you're really good, and you're
very, very close to winning.
So I don't know, man.
I think it holds merit, but it kinda depends onwhat your feelings are and what the Tour

(35:15):
Championship should be.
I mean, is it another golf tournament or shouldyou be rewarded handsomely for and given
strokes for how well you did all year?
But I think
They had built it up so much over the pastyear.
Season-long race.
Season-long race.
Yeah.
And it's like, okay, now we're down to the endand literally whoever wins this wins it.

(35:36):
So, like, we know pro golf.
Anybody in that top 30 could win it this week.
And somebody who didn't have a single win andwins one event could end up taking the crown.
So to me, the change isn't all the way thereyet.
And I know that they talked a little bit andthen Adam Scott kinda shut it all down around

(35:58):
match play.
And yes, I do think that it should absolutelybe match play.
And I do wanna pull up here, but let's talkabout that for a second.
Would you rather see the final event be matchplay or would you rather see it like it is
where it's just gonna be a straight-up strokeplay event, limited field, only 30 guys?

(36:21):
I don't know.
Like you earned your spot at the end of theyear based on consistency doing stroke play,
you know?
And it's pretty well documented that the bestguys at stroke play aren't the best guys at
match play.
I mean, there's people that will beat the tarout of a guy in their group just because they
have some mental edge over them, or they have avibe, or, like, all that shit goes into match

(36:43):
play, right?
Like you said, you're right there in the groupwith them.
That doesn't apply to beating somebody thattees off six hours from now that you're never
gonna see.
So if you're basing the ranking off of strokeplay, it's probably gotta be stroke.
For me personally, I would love I'd rather I'mwith you.
I'd rather watch match play.
I don't know.
You made a comment earlier about it not beingas good for TV.

(37:05):
Don't know how that is because like, I mean, Iremember watching Tiger play the U.S.
Ams and like all this shit.
It's unbelievable to watch match play.
I think it's a terrible argument to say itdoesn't work well on TV.
Who says that?
Capital One has made literally a, like, aBleacher Report now with the match.
Like, and they have these side-off events now,like, it's an entire production around one

(37:30):
match.
So I'm just like, they could absolutely do it.
It just comes down to doing proper productionaround it and putting in the time that's
necessary in order to really build up thatfinal match that's gonna happen, and hopefully,
you get a good match.
Right?
But here is, I saw on X, and this is from thehead of digital creation or digital content

(37:55):
over at Golf Digest.
This is from
This is what it looks like.
What name? Is
Is Jamie Kennedy.
He's the director of digital content for GolfDigest, and he lives over in Scotland.
So he's like, hey, this is potentially asolution for the match play that could possibly

(38:17):
happen.
With what he was saying, this would all happenat East Lake.
So Thursday, the first-round events would godown.
Then you have all the top players that wouldhave a bye.
Now, the one tough thing with having a bye thatwe see so often in sports brackets is that the

(38:38):
guy who just finished a match and played wellis coming in hot, whereas the other guy who has
not played the prior round all of a sudden iscoming in a little bit cold, and you see upsets
happen a lot within that.
So I get that if somebody wants to complainabout the bye setup, but the second round at
East Lake would be obviously the follow-up, andthen the third and fourth round leading into

(39:07):
the title event.
So you could technically get this done overfour days where you get all your
TV coverage, all the sponsors are happy.
Like every dude, that would be so sick.
Yeah.
I saw another one too where the suggestion wasthat instead of having like the St.

(39:30):
Jude would be the round of 64 and you couldactually have like multiple days where you're
playing against somebody or 36 holes, forinstance, and have it be kind of best out of
whatever and have that all go over thethree-week time frame where it's all match
play.

(39:51):
I kinda, I don't know if I fully agree withthat.
Kinda like this USAM style where the first tworounds of the FedEx Cup narrow it down to the
final.
How many players are even on here?
I think 24.
24 total.
I think that would be perfect.
And this setup, I mean, shout out to JamieKennedy over at Golf Digest in Scotland because

(40:14):
Pretty cool.
This dude did a great job on this bragging.
I think it absolutely works, it fits, and Iwould love to see them go to that in
particular.
Maybe to your point, you know, cutting it evensix guys out and reducing it to 24, there's a
little more merit to instead of being maybe 30is a little fringe for deserving to have a

(40:35):
chance at winning the Tour Championship.
Yeah.
I just think it's a bit much.
I don't think 30 guys with the chance to winthe title makes the most sense.
Yeah.
I can't get on board with that.
We've been against, you know, the wholeshrinking of the game and everything.
I mean, we've been pretty loud in regards tothat.

(40:56):
So I would say man, I don't even know.
I don't even know what I wanna say in regardsto that, to be honest.
That's I don't think you're shrinking the gameby reducing the number of players that qualify
for the end-of-year event.
Like, it's just more prestigious at that point.

(41:16):
Yeah.
It's not like making it an elevated event orsomething like that.
It's already elevated.
You cut six guys out.
Yeah.
It's not that bad.
It's not a big deal.
Yeah.
I don't know if I'd say it's the streak of thegame.
I probably wouldn't.
Alright.
Let's see here.
I'm trying to do two things at once here.

(41:37):
Sure.
I am pulling up right now the odds for thisweek for the FedEx Cup Tour Championship.
So that we can break those down and give youguys all the latest.
So this is gonna be from good old FanDuelSportsbook.

And the odds are as follows (41:54):
Scottie Scheffler at plus 150, it's obvious.
Rory McIlroy plus
Tommy Fleetwood plus 1,400.
Ludvig Åberg at plus 1,800.
Russell Henley plus 2,000.

(42:15):
Justin Thomas plus 2,500.
Then you got Patrick Cantlay at plus 2,500.
J.J.
Spaun at plus 2,700.
Sam Burns plus 3,000.
He was up there last week.
I believe he finished in the top five if I'mnot mistaken.
Viktor Hovland plus 3,000.
So is Collin Morikawa who would have won lastyear if this setup was the way that it was.

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Plus 3,300 is Cameron Young, Sepp Straka atplus 3,500 along with Bobby Mac.
You got Hideki Matsuyama at plus 4,000 alongwith Ben Griffin, Keegan Bradley, Maverick
McNealy, Corey Conners sits at plus 4,500 withHarris English, Harry Hall at plus 5,000,
Justin Rose who won two weeks ago at plus 5,500along with Chris Gotterup, Akshay Bhatia, at

(43:09):
plus 6,000, Shane Lowry at plus 7,000, BrianHarman plus 8,000, Sungjae Im plus 8,000, and
then we got the 10,000 sitting with NickTaylor, Jacob Bridgeman at plus 12,500 and
Andrew Novak at plus 15,000.
I was mistaken by the way previously when Imentioned Rickie Fowler.

(43:32):
I clearly did not watch the end and see exactlywhere Rickie finished.
In terms of the points, know he was right onthe border of getting into this.
So I mentioned earlier that he was in, he isout officially.
But who are you liking there, Buttsy, with theguys and the odds that I went over?

(43:54):
I really want to go with JJ, but I think I'mgoing to go with the past champion, Morikawa.
I like your spin there with the past championMorikawa because he would have won if it was
set up in this fashion.
The one guy that I would love to see win it,and I would have no problem whatsoever if he

(44:19):
does win it, and it is his first victory everon the PGA Tour, Tommy Fleetwood.
I'm going Tommy this week.
I am going to join the people who haveabsolutely sunk a ton of money into Tommy
Fleetwood and have never won because they justkeep dumping money into him.

(44:40):
I'm joining that.
I feel like
I was gonna get beat up in public or somethinglike there's gotta
It's like one of the slot machines when you goto a casino and you see the people have just
loaded it up and the jackpot has gotten sohuge.
You're like, oh, I gotta go hit that machine.
I feel like that's Tommy Fleetwood.
That's how you feel about it.

(45:00):
I mean, he's been playing great.
He's in form and I mean, what betteropportunity to get the elephant off of his
back, so to speak, by winning the TourChampionship than nobody can say Tommy
Fleetwood is a choke artist or anything alongthose lines.
And he will officially have the elephant off ofhis back.

(45:22):
And I think he's close because his game's inform and the more times that you put yourself
in that position, the more likely you are tostart looking at it as an opportunity instead
of a chance to fail.
And I think he'll finally get over the hump.
At some point, you would think so.
That would be a great story.
I don't see it happening, but that would be agreat story.

(45:46):
I hope it happens.
That would be lovely.
I'm putting it into the universe.
I want it.
Are you gonna bet on it happening?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Go get it?
Yeah.
That's why I didn't pull up my—I was gonnashare my screen to FanDuel, it shows everything
in there.
So like when you see the money and everything,and I hit a parlay on the UFC fights last

(46:09):
weekend.
So I do not want to show that at the timebeing.
I think we have Scottie within three after dayone that he wins it.
So I like that.
I like that.
And again, final verdict on the format.
I'm fine with it for this year, but I wouldlove to see it go in the final rounds at East

(46:32):
Lake to be match play.
I want it. so
it. so bad.
I'm putting it into the universe.
The TV coverage could be done properly.
And maybe you even shrink that down from 24guys.
Right?
Maybe to 16?
When I was doing the math, I think one of thoserounds you would have to play twice. Or not
Or not rounds, but you would have to play twobrackets slots on a single day.

(46:56):
Like, you would have to play 36 holes.
Would you rather take the bye or be the guythat could either be out or come off hot?
I would just wanna get in, and then I'm firingon all cylinders.
Like, I wanna be the guy in the very firstround that all of a sudden I play well, be the
guy, get into a rhythm, and all of a suddennext day I'm playing who?

(47:20):
Like, let's say that I just squeezed in and I'mplaying against the number one golfer in the
world, Scottie Scheffler, but I just won myprevious match the day before, I'm ready to go.
I think that is the best way to go.
I think the guys that have the bye are actuallyat a disadvantage.
Okay.
There it is.
Yeah.

(47:40):
Alright.
We gotta talk a little bit about LIV Golfdrama.
Bringing back some of the old school contentthat we used to do.
And LIV Golf used to be the one.
I get it all the time.
They're like, when are you gonna bring back theLIV Golf segment?
Because we always talked about LIV Golf andeven though I would watch the events and try to

(48:01):
support LIV Golf as much as possible, I wasalso a realist within it to where I'm like, I'm
not blinded by all the propaganda and how it'sthe greatest thing on the planet.
They got the absolute best players in the worldthat it makes all the players that much better
and blah blah blah blah blah.
All the stuff, all the propaganda that came outaround it.

(48:22):
And mainly a lot of that came from fans, butalso came from the broadcast too early on.
I get what they were trying to do.
Right?
They're trying to separate themselves as theelite premium product.
That being said though, we always kept it realwhen it came to LIV Golf.
And people have been begging me to bring itback.

(48:42):
It is back this week because there's actuallysome drama that is going on with LIV Golf.
We're gonna be fair, but we're also going tolike, we're not gonna be haters.
The individual championship ended this pastweekend where it was actually on Fox or Fox
Sports 1.
So the first piece of drama that I will bringup is the final round goes to a playoff.

(49:07):
Fox Sports 1 cuts coverage.
Unless you paid your $76 or whatever it was forthe LIV Golf app.
So like don't hate to see it.
Right.
Fucking fucking.
So any like general fan that was watching onFox totally lost the ability to watch Jon Rahm

(49:28):
in a playoff against Sebastián Muñoz.
Which Muñoz this weekend shot 59 with andliterally just went on an absolute tear and I
believe it was a 59 with a double bogey, if I'mnot mistaken.
Like I popped it on a few times.
I'm like, holy crap.
This guy's going absolutely Yahtzee out there.
So shout out to Sebastián Muñoz for some greatgolf and LIV Golf as the putter that he was

(49:52):
using in order to get that done.
But Jon Rahm ends up losing in the playoff,does not win in a single event all year.
And people know I like Jon Rahm.
I'm a big Jon Rahm fan.
Mhmm.
But I do not think that he deserved winning theindividual title.

(50:17):
18 motherfucking million.
And and a ring from oh, what's the
Pen baller.
Pen baller.
Yep.
And that's a sick ring too.
Like a
Two rings.
Yeah.
The a ring inside of a ring.
You kidding me?
You kidding me?
I don't know.
Maybe I don't have a good concept of how thepoints and all that work.

(50:38):
But, I mean, there's gotta be an explanation.
Obviously, they gave me $18 million for notwinning.
But, yeah.
I don't know.
That's a lot of money for not winning.
That's all I gotta say.
I'm with you there, dude.
Granted, people will say, well, Jon Rahm was soconsistent all year round, which is accurate
because Jon Rahm's always gonna finish in thetop 10 for a LIV Golf event.

(51:00):
Right?
He's too damn good not to finish top 10.
But Joaquin Niemann, and this goes to show youthat they are not weighting the wins heavy
enough.
Like, the wins need more points.
Yeah.
Because he had five wins.
Five wins.
How many events does LIV Golf even have on thecalendar?

(51:21):
14 or something like that?
Like, that's almost half the events.
My math's not very good, clearly.
But
It's good enough.
That's crazy.
It's nuts.
He wins almost half the events and loses theindividual title.
So, of course, the haters were going nuts on X.
And the poor LIV Golf fans that are out there,like the hardcore ones, just defending to their

(51:46):
core that it's fair.
It's so fair.
There is nothing wrong with this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Are people really doing that?
Like, who
is doing that?
They bring up Bill Haas winning the TourChampionship fourteen years ago because and
that's why the FedEx Cup changed, folks.

(52:07):
And then others are saying, well, it's still astartup.
Is it absolutely perfect?
No.
So here's the thing.
You should have learned from the PGA Tour withthe whole Bill Haas situation that happened 14
years ago.
It goes to show that the people running LIVGolf do not remember history very well when it
comes to these types of situations.

(52:30):
So, yeah, they're gonna make changes.
They have to.
Here's what I wanna know.
Was it close?
Like, was there if Jon doesn't play
that it
was, like, close enough where, like, Joaquinalmost won it.
Like, if Jon doesn't play that good, we're noteven having a conversation.
Joaquin Niemann finished in the top 10.
Like, it wasn't like he played bad.
That's the other thing he did.

(52:50):
He didn't choke.
He was up there.
I don't know exactly where he finished in thetop 10.
But, like, he was up there.
So that's
what I'm asking is, like, I'm just curious howclose were we not to having this conversation
about I'm just like wondering too, like, whatevents did Joaquin Niemann not play well since
he won five events?
Like, did he finish outside of the top 20 inmultiple events?

(53:12):
I don't think so.
No.
I think he was close to being in the top 10 inevery event.
But his team, that's what it's weighted on.
Right?
No.
This is all individual.
What?
Then this doesn't make any fucking
sense, dude.
Which is why
don't care about it.
It's drama and, of course, like, you couldpoint at the FedEx Cup that it's still not done

(53:35):
figuring it out.
So this isn't an easy thing by any means.
But I also wanna bring up the other aspect ofLIV Golf drama, which is podcast drama.
Big podcast drama.
Dude, so LIV Golf, which this all happened onthe Michigan Golf Live podcast, which the guy

(53:55):
who runs this is Bill Hobson.
He has media credentials for LIV Golf, and LIVGolf thought that they were gonna do a little
plan with Pat Perez, putting Pat Perez onthere.
And the way Bill says it is that Pat Perez washand-selected by LIV Golf, that he didn't get
to choose who his guest was going to be fromLIV Golf that was gonna come on.

(54:19):
Apparently, there were two questions.
I do not know what these questions were at thispoint.
I will have a follow-up to this next weekpotentially if it is worthy of having
follow-up.
We need to know these fucking questions.
We need to know the questions.
But apparently, according to Bill, Pat Perezhas been great about it all.
Does not understand why that, like, LIV, like,he doesn't care, which you know, Pat.

(54:42):
Like, it sounds like, the way that Bill'sframing it, it sounds like Pat.
Like, I don't give a shit.
Like, it like, let the interview be.
Who cares?
But LIV Golf's PR team was furious with thesetwo apparent questions that were asked to Pat
Perez.
And the guy refused because he's like, dude,I'm a journalist.

(55:03):
Like, I get to ask the questions.
It's my show.
Like
Is it live?
Can we watch this tonight?
Yeah.
We can watch it.
We can actually watch he gave a link on X tothe episode.
Because I think it'd be kind of fun to withoutknowing to watch and
figure it out.
That had to be it.
You know, I wonder if there's like an moment.

(55:25):
Yeah.
We might have
to do that.
Not to pump up Bill, you know, with his pod,but.
Well, let's pump up Bill and his pod.
Why don't.
want a fellow podcaster?
Like.
I do too because he said it wasn't even like hewas just having a conversation with Pat.
And so, he was very shocked by it, but herefused to take it down.
Because he's like, no, this is journalism.

(55:47):
Like, you don't tell me what to do for my show.
This happened on the show.
So what does LIV Golf do in response?
They revoke his media credentials for the finalevent, the team championship that he was going
to be on-site for.
That he already had credentials for.
They revoked the credentials.
So now, this is starting to blow.

(56:09):
This just happened, by the way, where I gottagged in a tweet around this announcement from
Bill.
And so this is starting to catch on likewildfire and I'd be shocked if LIV does not do
some backtracking with their PR.
Because this seems like a very wholesome guy.

(56:31):
Bill Hobson.
Yeah.
Just does not look like a like, he's probablyin his fifties or sixties, and he's just like,
loves the game of golf.
Like just he comes across as a super genuine,like Michigan guy.
He probably does the hand thing, probablypoints like I live over here type of deal.
Yeah.

(56:52):
I'm here.
I just I was flabbergasted.
This happened probably 10 minutes before wecame on.
I'm like, I started digging a little bit beforecoming on and I'm like, we need to add this.
Yeah.
This is this is very intriguing.
I gotta know what was asked.
Like, who is this?
Yeah.
Gosh.
I can only speculate.

(57:14):
That's not the word, but who knows?
I'm gonna go watch it right now. I
are we doomed in the game of golf if a leaguehas that type of, like, if they're protecting
everything that gets said, even minute things?
Like, now we look back to every interviewthat's ever been done around LIV Golf.
And now it's literally fact that everything'sbeen staged.

(57:38):
I mean, yes.
I think golf is doomed.
I think that's happening not just in LIV Golf,but with everything.
Yeah.
We used to think about this with the PGA Tour.
Like, we've been critical of the PGA Tour'smedia and so forth that everything is just
like they're like the mafia.

(57:59):
You know, there were indications that theseguys can't talk.
And we were supposed to have a couple of guyson from LIV Golf back when we were still
pro-LIV Golf, so to speak.
Even though we were trying to play the neutralline, and then they got pulled.
They couldn't come on to the show.

(58:20):
So it's like, okay, this is interesting.
So we've already been kind of privy to this,but to see this unfold and now it's public.
I did a little side piece here.
Talked to AK via DM the other day about whathis plans are coming up because I think he and
a few others are actually relegated.

(58:40):
There are no wild cards, like none of that.
Like, there's like, what, ten guys or somethinglike that that are no mas, they're gone,
they're out.
They gotta go to whatever LIV's version of QSchool is, and then I think the Asian Tour is a
qualifying site, if I'm not—is that right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So interesting.
He said more to come.
Not sure yet.

(59:00):
So we'll see.
I still wanna see what's gonna happen with thedamn captains, because captains being
relegated, they just put themselves right backon the team.
So it happened last year with Bubba Watson.
He just put himself back on the team.
I was talking about that as kinda beingsomething that I really like, it defeats the
purpose of relegation.

(59:21):
Yeah.
And this year happened again, so we'll see whatends up happening.
I believe it was Henrik Stenson, which HenrikStenson's a big name.
Like, that's a guy you don't wanna lose.
So I'm sure he's gonna be right back on theMajestics.
I'm sure nothing's going to happen around thatand it's still going to defeat the purpose of

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relegation, especially when it's a captain.
They should just make captains exempt ifthey're gonna do that.
Well, guess the curiosity for me is not becauseI'm watching it, you know, and I wanna watch
them play out there.
I mean, I guess sometimes it's fun, but forsome of these guys, it's like, okay, your your
golf course like, you're not you're into thetwilight now.
You're not playing anymore.
Yeah.

(01:00:02):
I think type deal.
So, like after this year.
Think so?
He's he's given hints around the fact that thismight be the last.
Well, his his most recent wrong bet via tweetdidn't go so well.
With Scottie Scheffler?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(01:00:22):
So I think it was Dan Rap no, it wasn't DanRapoport or was it somebody else?
Somebody
There was a ton of people that lit
him up.
Somebody had him on the show and they broughtit up.
I'm trying to think of who it was.
Oh, you know who it was?
It was Barstool and it was Big Cat.
Big Cat asked Scottie Scheffler, what do youthink about that tweet from Phil Mickelson at

(01:00:49):
the beginning of the year?
And he brings up the tweet, reads it to you.
He's like, oh, I'm fully aware of the tweet.
And he's like, yeah, that didn't age well, didit?
And so, Scottie Scheffler was getting into it alittle bit as well around that whole entire
thing and was just kinda chuckling about itall.
But, yeah, I don't know.
Maybe from that tweet alone, maybe Phil shouldjust never do that again.

(01:01:14):
Just maybe, yeah.
Good try.
Yeah.
Good effort.
Probably had a lot of money on it, to behonest.
He might have.
Probably had a lot of money on that.
Yeah.
That's probably one of the things that theSaudis just don't care about.
They're like, hey, we paid his gambling debts.
Like, let him.
He can gamble while he's still playing.
Don't really care.
Yeah.
How's that PR getting out there?

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And I mean that yeah.
And we gotta know what these questions are forPat.
I need
to yeah.
Gotta figure out the two.
I think you gave some good homework though.
I think everybody needs to go without knowingthe questions and just watch that podcast
episode of Pat Perez and see what thosequestions or try to guess at what those two

(01:01:58):
questions were.
Yeah.
I'm sure that, like, you're gonna have to dosome spoiler alerts around, like, trying to not
see anything that gives it away.
But man, and I will say this, I'm gonna givecredit to Pat Perez.
He has naturally moved into the booth and hasbeen pretty good.

(01:02:20):
Or is he in the booth?
Yeah.
I believe when I was watching, was in thebooth.
Not on the course.
He started as kind of an on-course walkingaround and stuff.
He probably was like, fuck.
I don't wanna walk around.
I ain't
walking around.
It's fucking hot.
But he's actually done pretty good in thebooth.
I actually enjoyed some of his commentaryduring that.

(01:02:41):
He kinda gives me Matt Every vibes.
Very good.
Yeah.
Alright.
That pretty much wraps it up.
Any final thoughts, Buttsy, before we head on?
I don't I don't know.
It's something about Tuesday nights at thistime.
I gotta poop.
Don't know how this happens.
Eating a lot of protein right now and I'msitting on an absolute beaver dam.

(01:03:03):
So
Hang on a second.
Kyle over at KartBarnGuys brings up, did y'alltalk about y'all's co-host second place today?
Did you play today?
No.
Oh, he's talking about Brent Grant.
What did Brent play in?
What did Brent?
So hang on a second.
Trot golfer also previously, I missed this.

(01:03:25):
Brent Grant, second place.
Asher Tour, second day, two-day event.
Good for him.
Hell yeah.
He's gonna get a text.
Yeah.
He Send
him some butt shakes.
Brent was supposed to be on tonight.
He actually, his coach needed his help.
He's moving into a new place.
So Brent Brent being a good guy that he is,goes out there.

(01:03:46):
Brent gets a bad rep.
But Brent is a good-hearted dude and he reallyis helping him move.
He asked me if it was okay.
I was like, absolutely, man.
He means very well.
Absolutely.
Love that guy.
BG.
He's probably watching right now, got a couchon his back, watching on his phone.

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