Everyday Golf Rants by Golfers

Buttsy shares his unique perspective on golf shop customers and the shift from putter to driver preferences. Matt and Buttsy explore the challenges faced by pro shop employees and discuss their own club fitting experiences, emphasizing the importance of proper fitting for drivers. The conversation touches on Buttsy's lifesaving story and his growing legend, while also addressing the impact of social media on golf etiquette. The duo highlights tipping etiquette, changing golf clothing trends, and the etiquette needed for member-guest events. They debate the best golf movies, Tin Cup vs. Caddyshack, before wrapping up with thoughts on food options during rounds and the pace of play.

Episode Transcript

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Ninety-nine percent of the people that comeinto a golf shop are absolutely stupid.

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They ask the dumbest questions.
You get phone calls asking if it's gonna rain.
What's the course like?
What would you rate it like?
What's the pace of just a bunch of airheadmindless questions and on a busy day in Arizona
prime season, it can get a little overwhelming.
When you're pumping out 300 rounds or whateverit is, and you have stupid questions hitting

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you in the face all day, especially in a placethat I worked, it was more of like, not a muni,
but maybe a hair above that.
Not $200 around, not $60 around, right in that$80 range, so you you had, well, little class
clientele.
Let's just put it that way.
And it didn't come with a The majority of thosefolks did not have giant brains.

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And it's one of the coolest things, likeoutside of the technology and all the other
bullshit that comes with lab that everybody'spretty much knocked off anyways.
I hope they don't get rid of that aspectbecause that's a good fitting process.
Like it's really good.
I agree with you.
Yep.
Alright.
Moving beyond the putters, drivers.

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I don't even know what the right question hereis with the drivers.
We kinda got into a little bit of a rantseveral weeks back around golf equipment, and
we still need to do a full show around golfequipment because with drivers especially, it's
all marketing.
Right?
Why can't you do Uber Eats on the golf course?
Like, do the same shit.
Don't fucking sit like you said.
That's part of the etiquette game.

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Or hey, what do you got that's quick?
Hot dog?
Okay.
I'll fucking wait.
I'll eat later.
Have a turkey sandwich?
Yeah.
Give me that.
I'll neck it down real quick.
I'm good.
Welcome.
back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Tonight, we've got Buttsy with us as ourco-host.

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And on tonight's show, we've got a good one foryou because we're gonna be talking about all
the amateur golf rants that go on, take place,and really everything about just being an
amateur golfer going out there and playing around of golf.
Everything that could possibly come into play.
We're gonna be talking about it.

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We're gonna be ranting about it.
We're gonna be going over our audience'smessages as we go along.
So if you guys on the chat and everything dohave a good story or something that you wanna
chime in with, feel free to put it in, and wewill certainly comment on all of that.
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Love that.
He's got some putter covers that he's bringingover.
right
favorite, the flying lady.
Oh, yeah.
She's back here.
Just a close-up of that.
That's unbelievable.
Yeah.
Bombs away, it says.
And then the gnome.
Yeah.
I made the mistake.
I did not grab the gnome putter cover.

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I just have the driver cover.
I should have grabbed the putter one to goalong with it.
That is that DeWalt tool pot?
Or is that what that is?
No.
No.
Real walkie.
Good call, babe.
Thank you.
I did not know that.
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Buttsy, let's start off with an absoluteclassic.

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Why are the pro shop guys and mainly the pro inthe pro shop, or as modern golf clubs like to
call it, the golf shop because there's no proshop.
Why are they such dicks sometimes?
Why is this a thing?
Well, gosh.
Having worked in a shop in my youth formultiple, multiple years, I'm not real fucking

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sure.
I was like, fuck.
I don't know.
I had such a good time doing that and laughingand joking with people that came in, but the
only thing that I can think is that you got abunch of happy people rolling through the door.
They're going to play golf, and you're not.
You're stuck in the shop.

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I don't know.
I think these guys think that there's some sortof prestige that comes along with working in
the golf business for some weird reason.
Half of them can't break 90, so those areprobably the ones that think that.
But I don't have a good answer other than,yeah, you're right.

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Ninety-five percent of the guys that work in ashop are pricks, man.
So I'm trying to explain why.
That's what comes to mind first is, you'resitting there all day while people are going
out to do what you love to do that you don'thave time to do.
I don't know.
What do you think?
I think it has to do with the fact that the PGAis a bit of a mess.

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And these guys are going, getting their PGAcards from the PGA of America.
They've got to go in.
And first of all, it's just a money grab iswhat it is.
You go in, you gotta take this pre-exam.
Right?
Gotta study for it.
You gotta know the history behind the PGA, whenthey broke off from the PGA Tour, and how

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bitter everybody is about that within theorganization.
And then from there, you gotta go spend moremoney, and you gotta go do a player's test.
Right?
A player's ability test.
Gotta go out, shoot two rounds under a certainnumber.
So from there, then you gotta pay more money toget into the program.
Right?
You come out of this thing, and you'reexpecting, like, I've and what's crazy to me,

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Buttsy, and I've I'll get to the point here ina second that it hasn't changed.
It's starting to change, but it really hadn'tchanged in, like, 20 years.
Because I remember guys coming right out,getting their PGA card, and all of a sudden or,
yeah, they're Class A.
Right?
And all of a sudden, they are making $28,320and getting some extra money by giving golf

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lessons.
Right?
Those were the lucky ones.
Yeah.
The guys that are stuck at a shop and can'tteach are just making, like, 35.
And that didn't change over, like, a 20-yearperiod.
Now the PGA is supposed to be this organizationthat, like, takes care and, you know, builds up

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these pros and so forth.
And to me, it was just an absolute like, itnever changed.
And so I think a lot of guys come out of thatand are bitter because they're not making any
money.
They can barely live off of the salary.
They're tired.
Like, they have to be there

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Yeah.
A lot of times in golf, which happens inindustries where you have a lot of passion
around it, it becomes kind of the thing that,oh, are you not dedicated to the game?
Are you not willing to come in every singleSaturday and Sunday?
Like, oh my god.
You're gonna take a day off from the golfcourse?

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And it's like, holy crap.
You're absolutely right about that.
Only playing devil's advocate, I can absolutelysay this though.
The public is I can't say the r word anymore.
I think we're avoiding that, the r word, butthey're ridiculous.
They're that's the other r.

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That's the good r word.
Yeah.
Say that r word.
Ridiculous.
They're ridiculous.
They're crazy.
Dude, they well, they're not just they'restupid.
They're fucking stupid.
Let's just call it what it is.
99% of the people that come into a golf shopare absolutely stupid.
They ask the dumbest questions.
You get phone calls asking if it's gonna rain.
Yeah.

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What's the course like?
How would you rate it?
What's the pace?
Just a bunch of airhead, mindless questions.
And on a busy day in Arizona prime season, itcan get a little overwhelming.
When you're pumping out 300 rounds or whateverit is, and you have stupid questions hitting
you in the face all day, especially the placethat I worked.
It was more of, like, not a muni, but maybe ahair above that.

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Not $200 a round, not $60 a round, right inthat $80 range.
So you had a, well, middle-class clientele.
Let's just put it that way.
And it didn't come with a, the majority ofthose folks did not have giant brains.
So I was telling this story a little bit beforewe obviously started recording the podcast and

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you were able to join in.
I was talking about how during COVID, like,right before COVID, my wife wanted to come out.
She wanted to move out to Arizona.
I owned a business in New York City, and we gotstuck here initially because the day that our
flight was supposed to go back to New York wasthe day they canceled all the flights due to
COVID.
So we ended up staying out here.

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And after, like, a little bit of time, I'mlike, man, I really should just get a job if
we're gonna stay out here.
So I ended up going up to Quintero and workingup there.
But what was wild is that during COVID, becauseso many people, that's when we saw on-course
participation just skyrocket here in the U.S.,especially in Arizona because the golf courses

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remained open.
And sure enough, there were guys coming inpaying, like, $2,300 during the wintertime, and
they couldn't make contact with a golf ball onthe driving range.
We're like, oh, that's gonna be a long day.
So we were already telling, like, the rangers,hey.
You gotta pay attention to this group.

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You gotta help them along.
You gotta make sure that they are, you know,keeping up with the pace of play.
But that's where I wonder, and you actuallymentioned this.
It might have been last week, might have beenthe week before, around how maybe there should
be, like, a training course that you have toget like a license to come onto the golf
course.
And I was talking about this today with Trottoo, that literally, I think it's like back in

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the day, we would go out, and when you'restarting to learn how to play golf, you're
going out with your dad or you're going outwith, you know, uncles, aunts, or whoever is
like teaching you how to play.
And then a lot of times if you're new to thegame, you're going out and playing with guys
that know how to play.
So you're learning the etiquette.
Like, people are teaching you along.
Really, now we see it to where you got fourguys on the golf course that really have never

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played.
And they're out there just whacking around.
They have no idea about the course etiquette oranything like that.
And it's just different because they allstarted playing at the same time.
You know?
It's not like they have that.
You got cell phone parents too.
Right?
Like, we're finally getting into that, wherethese kids that grew up on phones had kids, and
now, like, those kids are starting to playgolf.

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They never took them out.
They never showed them etiquette.
They never told them how to be or how to actor, let alone get the fucking door for somebody
walking into the golf shop.
You know what I mean?
Or say thank you in return when somebody doesthat for them.
So all these assholes are out there swinginglike you just said.
They're all swinging golf clubs, it's just—it'snot a game that you can just go do that.

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And people will grill me for that, especiallyon Instagram.
What are you talking about?
You're taking it too seriously.
I'm like, dude.
No.
You gotta know the basics of kinda the vibethat goes into acting appropriately while
undergoing a round of golf.
It's not that hard.
Basically like, you go to a firearm range tofire some guns, and they're gonna show you a

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video ahead of time as to the proper etiquetteand so forth.
And it's kinda like, man, we're getting to thatpoint where we need this in the game of golf,
where you almost need a driver's license to goout and play, to where there should be
beginning level courses.
And then, you know, more of your moderate toadvanced, and you can increase as you get

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better and better.
I don't know.
Like, I don't know exactly what the rightanswer is.
I am gonna shift gears for a second, though,after that.
Because Kyle over at Cart Barn Guys brings up astory that I have heard through the grapevine.
Thoughts on taking a girl to your home course,grabbing a cart, and heading out to the course
pond.
I heard that this is a true story that didactually occur.

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So what's your thoughts there?
Yeah.
I can't really speak to the extracurricularitems that may or may not have been involved in
that decision, but that decision was made byone of This
is not you,
by the way.
Is me.
No.
He's not

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This is an arch-nemesis, who you could say.
An arch-nemesis, a lifelong arch-nemesis.
And now you've just given it away.
No.
There's a few of those.
So, oh, okay.
May have given it away.
But showed up to the golf course.
I own the place.
Didn't say that.
Just acted as though he did.

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Got in the cart.
We're not saying nothing to nobody.
And now we're on our own personal little date,during public play down by the pond on Number
1, and we just don't give a fuck who iswatching or saying anything about that.
We're just gonna do that.
So I heard there was a blanket involved,possibly.
Like I said, we're talking, I'm gonna go to thegolf course.

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There were some activities.
A
picnic on one, and nobody is gonna tell me thatthat was not happening.
So that happened.
That and it was off of one?
I didn't even know that.
It doesn't sound that crazy when you thinkabout it.
But if you drove over to Troon North right nowand grabbed a cart and drove over to 18 during

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the day and laid down and hung out, I don'tknow.
Is that
it's a little weird.
It's it's a it's a little strange.
A little strange.
Yeah.
It's great.
It's, like, it's great.
Because I don't think we've reached thatanything.
How do we segue off of that?
How much do you

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tip the cart guy for letting you do that?
I don't know.
That's like, the audacity of that is so extremethat nobody knows what to do.
Right?
Nobody knows, like, even the people that workthere just kinda I'd okay.
It's not in the handbook.
It's not like one of those scenarios thatyou're like, oh, I know how to handle this.
No.
No.
It's one of those that just goes beyond, like,the realm, and it's like, man, we're kinda

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trying to figure this out on the fly.
Like, what the hell do we do?
Now the folks that work there know who thisindividual is, so that helps guide the
situation ever so slightly.
But the reality is, I don't know, it's justcrazy.
It's, it's, I think it's fucking hilarious.
It's really good.
Wild one.
That is certainly a wild one.
Yeah.

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Of course, I gotta ask the question at thispoint, but I feel like this can get us both
into some trouble.
Have you ever taken a girl out onto the golfcourse for No.
You answered that so fast.
I had to prep.
I have.
So moving on.
We're gonna go to, you know, for

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I did find a member once almost drowning that Ihappened to drive up on, and I think I probably
saved his life.
That happened.
He drove his cart in, or he was just in thepond?
He got in, drunkenly, like, blacked out drunk,threw his putter in the pond earlier and went
back to recover it or search around, and wasn'tdoing so hot with getting back to the edge of

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the lake and getting out.
It was struggling, like scared struggling.
So wow.
Yeah.
Anyways, sorry.
Hey.
You you saved a life out there.
I'm not surprised at all.
You know, that is that's that's the legend ofButtsy that just keeps growing every every
episode, every day.
It's a lifeguard.
Every time we get a new clip from you, there's,there's something that builds the legend even

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further.
And talking about legends, now, are you a guy,especially with the new day and age so let's
talk a little bit of putters real quick.
We're gonna be jumping all over the place, bythe way.
So we'll get into some competition stuff.
I see Kyle's got another question there aswell.
We'll dive into the but little putters, becauseyou've been a like, you've done the zero tour.

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You are a big blade guy too.
Like, you can tell that you're a guy thatenjoys a good-looking putter.
Right?
I'm a guy
that enjoys a putter for
sure.
Yes.
I mean, what's your opinion on zero torqueversus more of the old-school blade putter?
I've seen a lot of this with Charlie Woods toowith Tiger.

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Yeah.
Go ahead.
No.
You're good.
So I've had this conversation with a lot ofpeople because, generally speaking, people that
appear to or show up with a lot of differentputters in the bag, it's usually because
they're searching for something or they're notmaking putts and they're looking for the
special one.

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That is not the case with me.
Self-proclaimed, extremely good putter.
I don't care what I'm putting with.
I feel like I'm always gonna go out and makeputts and I just I really never bought into
like, oh, this one's better than that one.
Like, I'm gonna figure out how to get the ballin the hole.
Whether I gotta use an open, closed-door strokeor a straight back straight through, like, I'll

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fit myself to the putter.
I more look at the putter corral that I have.
A lot like cars.
Like, I can't afford 10 cars and, like, all thedifferent driving characteristics of what those
10 cars would be, be it a Hummer or a Ferrarior a motorcycle or whatever.
So I drive putters.

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I like to take a different one out for a spinevery few days or, you know, once every couple
of weeks just to look at something new and alittle different feel, and that's kinda how I
look at it.
That's fair.
Do you have a gamer, though?
Yes.
Yeah.
I do.
I have a very old Scotty Cameron and oldfaithful.

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I haven't seen that in
a hot minute.
So
No.
It's it's locked up.
I yeah.
Yeah.
But that's that's the question really is how isit a gamer when it's locked away?
It's for special circumstances.
Yeah.
You didn't break it out for the Grass League.
No.
No.

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Mm-mm.
Might have been the mistake.
Yeah.
It's like Flyers.
Like, you know, when we put those on for thechampionship game, I probably should have
brought it out for Grass League, but, yeah.
For me, the Zero Torque has become a bit of agame changer that I never thought it would.
Like, I was very interested when I had Sam onthe first time on this show.

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I talked to him, who's Sam Hahn, the CEO ofL.A.B.
Golf, and I'm curious to see if he's stillgonna be after they've just been acquired.
So that being said, talked to Sam, and he wasjust like, dude, we've got the DF 3 coming out.
You 100% go with that one.
Don't do them as one.
He's like, go with the DF 3, and I trusted him.

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So that was the first time that I've gone awayfrom a blade putter.
Because I was always a Scotty Cameron, PingAnser, Ping Anser 2.
Like, all of those were the putters that I grewup with and that I've putted throughout.
And I've always been a very streaky putter.
The thing is, though, with that DF 3, I'm moreconsistent with it.

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And now, like, there were some things thatTrott and I have worked on with the putter just
getting into better lines, really, and gettingthe putter a little bit more into the palms
rather than the fingers.
And literally, that has changed the short puttsfor me to where, like, they're dead online.
Like, I'm not pulling short putts or anythinglike that right now, which is nice.

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And that being said,
It's real nice.
Like, the DF3 has stayed in the bag longer thanany other putter because I've always swapped
out putters.
I was like you.
I was, but I was a car guy too, to where, like,every year I was getting a new vehicle in some
way, shape, or form.
That I have completely changed.

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When I lived in New York City, I was just like,oh, why do you need a car?
And now it's like, why do I need a car payment?
So almost pulled the trigger actually the otherweekend.
Yeah.
I'll talk about that some other time.
But did not.
Did not.
I'm still like, man, I don't wanna have it.
It was big restraint out of that whole entiresituation.

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But with the putters, no.
It's not.
With the putters, that lab has been in for along time now.
The blade creeped in a couple times, butultimately went back to the lab putter.
So for me, zero torque has made a bigdifference.
It's made me more consistent.
Like I said, I still feel like with the blade,I would be streaky.
So it is what

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Well, you get a great stroke with that putter
Yeah.
For some reason, it fits me.
Well, I did have them fit me.
So I did the remote fitting for everybodybecause I've been questioned about this a lot.
Like, a lot of people have reached out askingme about it, and a lot of the people that I've
played golf with have gone to DF3 puttersbecause of how well they've seen me before to

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now.
And they're like, holy crap.
Like, it's kinda changed your putting gamequite a bit.
And I went through the remote fitting.
Just
like when
Sam told me because I was like, dude, where canI go in person and get fitted?
And he was just like, oh, well, 90% of the guyson tour just have us do the remote fitting.

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Even though, like, we got a guy that goes outweek in and
week.
out.
Don't because they've got that thing down to ascience.
You go through a couple different videos thatyou record, send it off to them, and the damn
thing's perfect.
So yeah.
And it's one of the coolest things, like,outside of the technology and all the other
bullshit that comes with LAB that everybody'spretty much knocked off anyways.

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I hope they don't get rid of that aspect,because that's it's good.
That's a good fitting process.
Like, it's really good.
I agree with you.
Yep.
Alright.
Moving beyond the putters, drivers.
I don't even know what the right question hereis with the drivers.
We kinda got into a little bit of a rantseveral weeks back around golf equipment, and

(24:29):
we still need to do a full show around golfequipment.
Because with drivers, it's all marketing.
Right?
So for the most part, why is it so importantthat if you're going to get fit for a driver, a
new one, you're like I would say the perfectscenario is you've had the same driver for,

(24:51):
like, three years.
All of a sudden, it's time to change.
Why is it so important to go get fit as anamateur golfer?
Oh, I mean, fuck.
It's such an obvious question.
Right?
Like, you gotta optimize.
Even if you suck, there's a range ofoptimization that you can still achieve that

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will dramatically change where your golf ballgoes on the golf course.
It will lessen a slice.
I mean, you take 20 yards off of a 50-yardslice and you lower the spin, it goes further
and straighter, and you can get that.
Even just even just swing weight, man.
Like, everybody forgets about swing weight.

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And most people don't know that that's actuallya thing.
I think the average guy that shoots a 100, thatplays, you know, five times a year has no idea
that that can be changed.
That's a feel that you can absolutely change.
And if you're super fast, like, naturally,genetically, whatever, that's how you do it,

(25:54):
you can get a whole different feel by changingswing weight or even going to a lighter shaft
or whatever.
So there's so much feel out there that can helpeven a shitbag of a golfer be a whole lot
better.
And we're talking, like, 10 shots at the end ofthe day.
That's a lot when you're shooting a 100 toshoot 90.

(26:14):
You can do that with equipment.
You really can at that point, I think.
And everybody says, well, no.
You're not efficient enough to notice adifference.
That's kind of the misconception.
I think you've heard this before.
Oh, I'm not good enough to get fit.
I'm not consistent enough.
Dude, you can still have, like, a consistentfeel across your set that will help you play

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much better.
So with the driver, I'd say that's it.
If you have a driver, you don't need to go buythe newest $700 driver.
I think the only thing that's changed in thelast three years is color, sound, and feel.
I don't think things have really improved inthe forgiveness, in the spin rate department.

(26:56):
I think they've been kind of stagnant.
Well, it would become illegal at a point.
Right?
10.5 is like the max, right, for coefficient ofrestitution.
They hit that fucking, like, 20 years ago.
Yeah.
Shafts are big.
I mean, the Ventus has become like the shaftthat everybody tries to get fitted for.

(27:22):
Right?
But even I'll give you my scenario.
We did a show over at PXG, and they were kindenough to build me a driver.
Well, we probably didn't go through a fulldriver fitting.
Right?
So they kind of went exactly.
Hit a few.
They're like, oh, here, we're gonna match thisup for you.
And sure enough, like, for about a year, I hitthat thing, but I struggled to hit it.

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When I would be warmed up, I would hit thatlittle cut with it, you know?
When all of a sudden, first tee shot and soforth, it was like swinging a telephone pole.
And so my guy Ruben over at Custom Golf AZ,when I started talking to him about it, because
he's a master club fitter, and sure enough,like talking with him, he was just like, well,

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let's get that thing in here and let's messaround with some shafts and so forth.
So I went from the Ventus Blue to the VentusBlack, went from an X down to a stiff.
And then from there, we started looking at theweight, and the weight of the driver based off
of how I was swinging it at the time was an E,like E10 or E0 or something like that.

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It was something crazy.
I don't even remember what it was because I'dnever heard the E number before.
That's insane.
Yeah.
So I'm like, no wonder it felt like I wasswinging a telephone pole.
All of a sudden, he puts it to D3, and we messaround with the weights a little bit.
And now it's just absolutely butter.
It feels so good.
It goes further, and I'm just like, what adifference.

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Same driver, different shaft, differentweights.
And all of a sudden, we're absolutely dialed inwith that driver.
And I just absolutely love it now.
Like, I'm obsessed with it, which also I willsay that you and that commercial that you did
for PXG with the whole driver thing, thatreminds me of that scenario to where it's like,

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yeah, go in, get fitted, like, hit thosedrivers because I'm telling you, man, like,
there's not a huge difference between them.
And if they get you set up right, you are goingto hit it further than your current driver.
That is for sure.
And that's one thing, not to blow PXG here, butI think they take a little more pride in
backing that 500 contest.

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I think they understand that, you know, theirdriver is gonna be just like most of the
drivers out there.
But what they do have that you're probablygoing to get beat on is their fitter, and what
they have in-house to offer you is gonna bebetter than what anybody at the PGA Superstore
is gonna throw your way.

(30:02):
You know?
So like you said, if you really go in for afull-blown fitting, they're gonna dial you in.
Yeah.
There's a company called Forward Golf that isdoing these fittings, and it's not even for
just their own irons.
They're actually like, whatever you wanna play,we're gonna get you fitted properly.
And they're doing bounce, like fairway ironsand so forth.

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Like, we're not just talking about wedges here,and they're doing everything.
And I just think that that company inparticular, with their fitting process and
everything, is really kind of pushing thatenvelope forward, intended around, you know,
getting to the next level when it comes tofitting for irons and getting people fitted

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into the right clubs for them.
And again, it kind of goes to that same pointthat you were saying to where it's like, man,
it makes such a difference to get fit properly.
So definitely check them out, by the way,folks, if you get a chance, if you haven't
heard of them.
They're they're like the LAB Golf of irons.
Yeah.
At this point,

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it does feel like that.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
That fitting kit they have.
I mean, you you they're doing stuff like, ifyou fall towards the toe ever so slightly,
like, they're throwing weight out drilled intothe head, like, near the toe to get mass over
to where your miss is.
Like, crazy optimization that you're just notgonna see with the franchise guys, the big box

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people.
And that's exactly what LAB does.
They got lots.
We'll see if it stays that way.
But yeah.
Yeah.
So they're doing some cool stuff.
Also, so let's talk a little bit about, youknow, would you prefer going out there as a
golfer and being the first off first thing inthe morning, not having a group in front of

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you, potentially having some, like, dew on theground.
Do you love that more, or do you like being thelast one in as the sun is setting and so forth?
This is tough for me.
I like the idea of the morning round.
I think it's beautiful in the morning.
The dew is on the grass.

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The grass is freshly cut.
The greens are perfect.
Just a little bit of moisture out there.
The smell is amazing.
But, physically, I don't play well first thingin the morning.
I never have.
I much prefer getting food in me and being alittle loose and playing at the end of day when
it's a little warmer out chasing the sun downthan being first out.

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I'm with you.
I think the best time of day to play a round ofgolf is late afternoon.
Shadows start getting long, and maybe it's justreminiscent for me as a junior golfer way back
in the day to where, like, that was the timethat we got out on the golf course.
Three o'clock, you go out, you play, you playtill dark.

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And there were plenty of times when, you know,when my game got really good in high school, my
senior year, I would play in the dark, completepitch black dark, and I would just go walk to
where I thought I hit the golf ball.
And I would play nine holes that way, just inthe dark.
And, like, that is one way that you can reallyfigure out if you're dialed or not is playing

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in the complete pitch black environment.
But, yeah, those long shadows, especially on anice cooler day, even in the fall in, like, New
York.
Like, that was always just like, man, there isnothing better than playing with the sun coming
down.

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You know, you might have a sweater on becauseit's getting a little colder.
Just an absolute blast.
I'm golden going to hour.
Yeah.
The good old
golden hour.
And you're right.
I mean, first off sounds awesome.
And there are people that absolutely love beingfirst off.
I mean, when I was up at Desert Mountain, forinstance, there was a group that was always

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first off.
Like, they were always wanting that very firsttee time, and they would play, like and here's
the crazy thing.
They would walk as a foursome.
There was a lady in the group as well who was ahell of a golfer, and they would be done in
about two hours and forty minutes playing 18holes at Desert Mountain.
Like, they truck.

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That's impressive.
Ain't that wild?
It's a whole dude, like, I mean, it's a wholedifferent type of golf, and I mean that.
Like, you you don't hit the ball the same inthe morning.
You really don't.
No.
Doesn't go as far.
Water on everything.
Flying wet.
Like yeah.
But, there's something to be said about it.
Right?
Like, it's fucking cool.

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It's awesome being out there first andsomething fresh about it.
But like you said, man, and the that afternoongolden hour and rolling that right into some
dinner and chilling out, it's pretty cool.
Yeah.
It it's nice.
Let's get so once you do finish a round ofgolf, you get to the end.
This is something that, you know, when we firstbrought this up, we had a lot of pushback

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around whether or not to tip the outsideservices guy.
And it's like, man, a lot of people didn'trealize, didn't have the etiquette, weren't
taught.
Like, do you go into a restaurant and I mean,there are some people that go into a restaurant
and do not tip for the service that wasprovided.
Like, not tip at a restaurant, but it isexactly the same thing, folks.

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If they brought you a golf cart, even if you'renot getting your clubs clean, how much should
you be tipping the outside services guys?
dollars at least.
Especially in today's day and age with thelike, ten dollars.
Damn.
Right.
That's deep.
dollars?
Come on.
That's a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

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Like, it's ten dollars.
Like, ten dollars is not gonna get that kidvery far anyways or whoever it is.
Like, it's ten dollars.
You know?
You whatever what percentage of that is whatyou paid for your round?
Let's say your round's, you know, a hundreddollars on average.
I mean, that's not even on par with what you'dgive a server.
So yeah.

(36:18):
You know what?
This might be the avenue that golf coursesshould go.
When you pay for your round of golf, all of asudden there is either gratuity included or a
gratuity button to push for how much you wantit to.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just then you start having to poolit with the shop guys and that turns into a

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whole yeah.
Oh, you're thinking about from the employeestandpoint.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
But there's no taxes on tips now, so
True.
I just think we'll bring $10 to the golf courseand plan on giving it to the kid after the
round.
It's no fucking sweat off your back.
You're not gonna go broke doing that, and he'svery happy.

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And at $10, you'll notice if a kid is notworking very hard or he's not interested in
what you're doing because he's been stiffed allday, watch how fast those clubs get fucking
laser cleaned.
And that pumps some people up.
Like, it's just a gesture.
It's not too much, but it's $10.

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It's like, hey, I gave you $10.
That's decent.
You better, like, buff the clubs real nice.
Yeah.
And it's just like a server at a restaurant.
They're being paid below minimum wage a lot oftimes, and they're mainly living off of tips.
And especially out here in Arizona, you got alot of guys working outside services that are

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trying to play the game competitively.
And you want to help support thatinfrastructure of guys that are able to do
that, make a living off of that enough to beable to go play competitively.
That's not gonna get me into a rant around, youknow, how professional golf is structured and
how it should be structured, but that will getus into our very next topic, which is around

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owning golf clothes.
So out here in Arizona, I have noticed theshift.
I partake in the shift now to where I used tobe always a polo guy, you know, tucked into
shorts, white belt.
I hate to admit it, but white belt guy withsome golf shoes that were, you know,

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non-Jordans for the longest time.
And now it's very much so streetwear.
Like, I'll go out and I'll go play.
I got a T-shirt on.
I've got shorts.
The culture has completely shifted when itcomes to golf clothes.
So talk to the amateurs out there about whatyou should do, how you should go about golf

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clothes.
Like, I would say I would go a little stepabove.
It's not quite streetwear.
For me, that's not where I would go with it.
But even in the professional world, right,that's where I would go with it.
Like, I'm in sales, and that's what I do allday for my regular, my real job, as you could
call it, whatever.

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Twenty years ago, that's something that you'dsee a guy in some sort of Docker-looking pant,
belt, button-up, tucked in, if not a suit even,and a tie.
I would say what golf has done is, that those,that's gone.
That's completely gone.
Like, that's out.
Now it's like a jogger of some sort withstretchy fabric as a pant or even a pair of

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jeans that are stretchy that are verycomfortable and an untucked polo.
I mean, that's my uniform on a daily basis now.
It's a polo.
It's hot as fuck here in Arizona anyways, sothere's no way I'd ever wear a suit.
But golf clothes off the golf course workeverywhere now.
And then to your point, even below that, like,you're starting to see it be acceptable to wear

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a golf-themed or oriented T-shirt that's verymuch street-looking attire that's now accepted
at the golf level.
So that's cool.
And since we have the sponsorship withDevereux, like, my style has completely changed
as well to where, like, I'll wear a T-shirt.
I'll wear the Devereux shorts that don't evenhave, like, belt loops.

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Like, I prefer that now.
But now to the point where I'm going to play amember-guest this weekend, and I'm, like, at a
country club.
Granted, it's not like over the top where, youknow, but I'm in a situation where I'm like,
man, how should I dress when I get out there?

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I'm like, I, for so long now, have been doinggrass clippings and wearing the Devereux stuff
like we normally wear where, you know, it's anuntucked shirt.
You don't have belt loops in the shorts.
Like, they're more like athletic shorts.
I just I'm almost to the point where I'm like,like, I'm curious as to, like, how I'm gonna

(41:14):
put together outfits right now and everything.
Have you noticed though even on the golf side,it's just funny how it cycles back.
There is almost a resurgence of, like, I don'twanna call it proper, but, like, classic, '90s
on-course attire.
Like, now you're starting to see, like, a baggypleat coming back with it tucked in, with a

(41:35):
hanging leather belt or, like, the weave beltsand shit.
Like, that's all coming back.
Baggy or polo.
Think of, like, Melbourne.
Right?
Very
much so, yeah.
Done with Jason Day and even, like, withDevereux, like, with Burt Burt Burt goes out
there and, like, once the weather gets a littlebit cooler, I'll be doing the same thing with
the pleated pants and the old-school, like,'90s style Tiger.

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It's coming back.
And I am really pumped up about that becausethat is a style.
Right?
But it is so hard during the summer to, like,have really good style that is, like,
traditional golf.
Because traditional golf, when you think aboutit, is pants tucked in with a belt with old
school golf shoes.

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Pleated pleated pants.
I love pleated pants.
Love the room.
Too.
Talks shit.
There's nothing cooler than watching Tiger walkdown a fairway with the flowing pleated slacks
on.
Just it just looks so gangster.
Like and I don't care it was nice.
Oh, don't bring that back.
It's so sick.
Like, that's I mean, obviously, we're we'rethat age where, you know, these these kids,

(42:46):
they talk about aura farming, like, that shit'saura.
That's that's
Yeah.
That is like the dude standing on the boatdoing his little stuff and then pointing at the
crowd.
It's incredible too how that phenomenon tookoff on social media for a little while and
still is kinda going.
I still see a clip here and there.
It's definitely toned down, but theyinterviewed that kid.

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And he was like it like, apparently, he's acelebrity over there now because of how viral
it went on social media.
But their entire job is to aurafarm.
Like, that is that is it.
Like, they he would there's no technical thingthat he's doing.
Like, he's not, like, getting the guys behindhim to go into a sequence or a pattern or

(43:30):
anything like that.
No.
Yeah.
His entire job is to hype up the crowd.
That's wild.
Yeah.
That is wild.
All these fucking trends and yeah.
Social media, man.
It's like every 90 days, there's a new newscycle of a trend, right, that sticks for a
while, and then it's gone.
There's a new one.
I mean, remember planking?

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Do you remember planking?
When people were planking on stuff?
No.
I hope people in the audience rememberplanking, because I thought it was some of the
funniest shit ever, then as soon as it washere, it was gone.
That's where you would lay flat out on in thecraziest positions ever.
There's people, like, planking on astreetlight.
I'm sorry.

(44:13):
This fucking
hole is like you're gonna bring it back.
We gotta do planking
on the golf course, like, the carts and shit.
That shit is so funny.
Oh my god.
Get on top of the cart.
Just after we get off the list, just look upplanking, best of planking, and you
will literally do planking in the gym, prettyconsistently now.

(44:34):
I would say two out of every three trainingsessions, I'm doing some type of plank.
Imagine laying flat out like a board with aSuperman pose and pointing your feet and trying
to stay as rock flat stiff, but then trying todo that in the craziest fucking locations you
could possibly think.
Like, the more ridiculous, the better.
Yeah.
That's planking.

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So anyways, we got a little sidetracked.
Tracha's brought this up.
Just pay me money and you can wear whatever youwant.
Just keep up with the group in front of you.
So there's two kind of points there.
Right?
Is that I believe golf is starting to head inthis direction to where it's more acceptable to
show your personality, whether it's in streetclothes out there and just be Yeah.

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Like, have it be a golf theme.
Right?
That that's kind of where it it matters to thatdegree.
Like, don't show up in I don't know.
Like, I don't even wanna get into tellingpeople and other grown men, like, what they
should be wearing, which golf always kinda hasdone.
Here's the way I would liken that.
Alright?
You don't show up to a five-star steakhousewith a fucking wife beater and cut-up stained

(45:40):
shorts on, you know?
So and they're not gonna kick you out if youdo.
I mean, maybe some places might, like, high-endjoints, but
Not the Golden Corral.
No, man.
The Corral.
Don't bring up the Corral.
I'm on a diet, bro.
That sounds good right now.
Oh, a little wine chicken with a little hushpuppies and shrimp.

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Anyways, yeah, I like Trot's approach.
Like, obviously, we're not gonna kick you out,but it doesn't take much of a brain to put
something together to look halfway decent whenyou show up to a golf course or anywhere
outside of your home for that matter.
Just don't look like an idiot.
Yeah.
That that's the biggest thing.
Don't look like an idiot.
I like that.

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That's a good rule
of Objective.
Right?
I mean, some people don't know what that means.
Right?
I mean, there's furries running around.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Just keep up with the group ahead of you.
This goes to what we were talking about, wherethere almost needs to be a license in the game
of golf to where there should be levels thatyou should have to get to as a golfer and

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understand, like, etiquette.
There should be almost a course on etiquettebecause it's something when you play junior
golf and you're growing up through the game,you understand these things.
And like I said, we just don't have as manyguys that have come up through the game.
Like, there's four guys from the office thatall of a sudden want to go out and play golf.

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And they all just have secondary sets orwhatever.
Never really played golf before.
They're going out, and they're just gonna gohack it around, and they're slow.
I mean, there's golf fights that are comingfrom this that are stemming from slow play from
guys that just don't get it.
Right?
Like, is it still one of the biggest enginesthat people book through?

(47:29):
Right?
Like, probably.
I
would say so.
Let's just say it records your answers or yourpassing of a test for a year with your login.
And if you haven't taken the 20-question testthat gives you the answer when you fail it,
then you have to do that.

(47:50):
But even that little tiny 20 questions, themost obvious questions to anybody that knows
the game of golf.
Okay.
You got these five questions wrong.
Here's the correct answer.
Go try again.
Get the right question.
Just having that in the back of people's heads,I bet, would actually make a difference.
You know what I mean?
Like
I think so.
The most basic test that takes four minutes.

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You gotta pass it before you can book yourtime.
Once you do, book all you want until you haveto take another one to qualify next year.
I think that could really solve a lot ofproblems.
It could be quick.
I mean, shoot.
Could be like skydiving where you gotta gowatch a video before you're able to go out.
It would be enough where that situation willcome up on the course and that guy would at

(48:32):
least think he might still make the wrong moveand be an idiot, but he would at least think
about it.
Or when you rent a boat, like they take youthrough like, hey, this is what you should do
in this situation or that situation.
And then you got that basic knowledge behindyou.
I just feel like we need to start getting tothat place where there's too many, as you

(48:55):
called them, ridiculous people out there on thegolf course nowadays, packing it up, slow
playing it, and we need to get back to a placeto where, you know, the answer isn't shrinking
the game.
It's more so educating the people that have nowjoined into this awesome game.
And I love that the game's growing from aparticipation standpoint.

(49:18):
All for that.
Right?
Like, we're not here to say that we don't wantthem playing, but that's what we really should
start to get to.
Just have just the yeah.
We live in a world where nobody gives a fuckabout each other anymore, and it's like, let's
just have some cognizance of the people aroundyou and how we can all have a good time out

(49:38):
there.
You know, Kyle brings up that it never willhappen.
That's the reason there's country clubs.
Problem is country clubs are so just moneybased to where it's like, unless you're going
to fork over a bunch of money, and I get it.
For a lot of guys, it's networking.
It's getting a group together.
But, yeah, I don't know.
To me, I wouldn't want to see that money isgonna be the object that's gonna separate.

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He's right, though.
I mean, it won't ever happen.
It's just, yeah.
Probably not.
It's an interesting thing.
I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot ofsolutions to a lot of problems that will never
happen.
And it's just funny that it would be that easyto enact change and, yeah.
I don't know.
Here's the thing, though.
It would result in more money at the end of theday for golf courses and everything.

(50:29):
People would spend more.
There'd be less irritated folks.
You'd get more people in and out in a fasteramount of time, better pace of play, better
reviews online, blah blah blah blah blah blah.
You charge more.
Like, it would have a trickle-down effect.
So we'll see.
I don't know.
Yeah.
We shall see.
Last thing we'll go over on this one.

(50:50):
So as part of our amateur golf rants, if youget invited to a member-guest, just kinda
getting into the fact that I'm gonna be playingthis weekend in a member-guest, if you're the
member, what should you, like, let's say thatyou got somebody that's coming in for the first
time, what are some of the things that youshould tell them in advance that they should

(51:13):
know about from the club?
What do you mean?
Like
So, like, the etiquette behind it, like, it'sdifferent than, you know, going to a normal,
like, some of these things like dress code.
Like, hey, man.
Like, you're gonna need to tuck in your shirt.
Just wanna make sure you know that.
Like, if there's policies and so forth aroundit, like the one that I was talking to you

(51:34):
about where I was like, yeah, normally yougotta go into the locker room to change your
shoes.
And that's kinda sometimes with country clubs,they force you to do that.
Like, they do not want you changing your spikesout in the parking lot.
So little things like that, like, should therebe almost like a checklist of things that

(51:56):
somebody should send over to you?
Like, obviously, if somebody has been to a lotof country clubs, like, I'm not a good example
of,
like, I mean, like, don't wear your hat inside.
You know?
That's you're probably a pretty good bet notdoing that just in case.
There are places that will enforce that.
I've been to many of them and felt like acomplete idiot when they're like, take it off.

(52:20):
I'm like, oh, shit.
Like, you know what I mean?
So that
There's gonna be a few where there's blazersthat you have to wear if you're gonna go to
dinner inside the club.
Mhmm.
Maybe Venmo your member for whatever you'regonna drink that day because it's probably
gonna go on a tab.
Like, you're not gonna be able to pay, youknow, stuff like that.
Rack up a tab.

(52:41):
You usually can't pay.
You need a name.
That's another thing.
I don't I don't know.
What do you think?
I mean
That's actually one that I don't know if I'veever run into where it probably is a good idea
for the member to be like, hey, just, you know,whatever you eat, drink, whatever, has to go on

(53:05):
my account.
Never had this though because normally, ifyou're a member at a country club, you know,
you're probably just covering it for whoeveryou're bringing into there.
It's kind of part of the thing.
But that would be a nice thing to be like, hey,
cheap bastard if you
said something.
Really would.
Right?
It's like, hey, I belong to a club.
You don't.
And no, you

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wouldn't sound like a cheap bastard if you knewyou were inviting me out to play with you.
Because
plenty of booze are gonna be going down.
Yeah.
It would be excessive to not to let me run wildwith your account at a private club.
Yeah.
If I was a member somewhere and I invited youto come over for a round, probably be like,

(53:47):
hey, man.
Just Venmo me.
Like, I'll send you a bill afterwards, but justVenmo.
Yeah.
You ran up a fucking $8,100 tab today.
I'm not covering that.
You literally drank $3,000 in nine holes.
You could do that, though, at a private joint.
Like, you really can.

(54:07):
Yeah.
We ran into this.
I won't name names.
Kyle knows, and I won't name the club that,something like this, went down.
And it's a club that, canned stuff is great,hard stuff is not great.
And they're charging heavily for that.
So, yeah, one of our friends found that out thehard way.

(54:30):
This is a good one.
The people that use range balls.
So you've had an incident where you wereactually just creating a, like, a and got
booted from a place that we will remainnameless, which, yeah, I don't even wanna
elaborate further off of that.
But folks, do not, and I actually had a buddythe other day where he found one while we were

(54:54):
out of grass clippings and had no idea that youcan't, like, you should not be playing your
round of golf with a range ball.
He's like, how do you know it's a range ball?
Like, you see those black stripes?
You see where it says super range?
Like, that's a range ball, my friend.

(55:16):
It's the most scumbag thing that anybody canever do is that they finally get out to the
private club that has Pro V's and they loadtheir bag up with them.
That's the shittiest, scummiest thing you canever do.
My situation, that's not what happened.
I told you what happened.
Yeah.
I even had somebody that tried to, like, whackme.
They heard the story, and they're like, whatkind of a piece of shit are you?

(55:38):
Like, you're stealing balls.
I'm like, do you really think I'm fuckingstealing balls?
I took one ball and colored over it for a videoand threw it back in the range.
Banned forever.
Kyle wants you to share the Silverleaf story.
Well, I wasn't gonna say Silverleaf, Kyle.
That's what I was trying to remain namelessabout.

(56:02):
But And
then he brings up the other one.
Jeez, Louise.
Can Kyle can tell me where we we leaving namesout of this because, you know, I'd gladly tell
the whole fucking story.
What's amazing is the one that I wasn't gonnaname, but he drops it in the chat.
I was there that day, and you and I didn't knoweach other.

(56:24):
So it was kinda wild that, like, yeah, I wasactually in the golf shop.
So that was Influencer
out there stealing balls.
What a piece of shit.
Oh, dude.
I remember the conversation from not thedirector of golf, the head pro, and then there
was the assistant head pro.

(56:46):
Oh, they did golf hard.
Oh, man.
It was wild because it was such a rumor millthat ended up taking place.
Like, nobody saw it.
They just heard about it.
And, of course, it was always throwing allthese golf balls into his bag, and it's just
like, oh, no.
Yeah, man.

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Times were pretty tough.
I was living out of a trash can.
I really needed those balls.
Yeah, guys.
This goes back to the shop guys conversation.
That's how those motherfuckers work, dude.
Like, they yeah.
I could see them just like a couple of hands ata bridge game just eating that up.

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God.
We gotta bring my belt up there.
I
don't know, but we do have one from Pop theSituation.
Donated $50.
Kyle says that they didn't like that.
I'm trying to see I'm trying to pull upeverything to see if he gave the approval to
drop some names.
I don't know.

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He did laugh a lot.
Well, yeah.
It was Pup that did this.
And the funniest part is, I didn't really knowthat this was getting charged.
So at the Leaf, it's well known that HighNoons, White Claws, all that shit, that's,

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like, that's free.
That's you can grab those wherever they exist,and that's fine.
Hard booze, not free.
Goes on somebody's account.
Didn't know that, but the funniest part iswe're stopping at the halfway house, and Pup is
going in.
He's like, yeah.
I'm gonna go get us a drink.
I'm like, oh, he's gonna get us a drink.
Alright.
Like, I'm thinking he's, like, buying thesedrinks.
And, he's coming out with a drink.

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He's like, here.
I got you one too.
And I'm like, thanks, man.
Like, cool.
This is getting charged to I won't say hisname.
Professional baseball player, though.
This is all getting
charged to account.
Getting charged to his account, like, dollars,15 hun I don't know what it was.
I ended up immediately sending him money, like,a day later when I found out what happened.

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But, yeah, it was it was a pretty funny deal.
Yeah.
Ran up a huge bill.
It was over a thousand as I recall from thestory.
I believe it may have been a couple thousand bythe time the end of the day rolled around and
it was just a hell of a deal.
Yep.

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Hell of man showed up in a T-shirt and jeans,and it was just a good day.
The jeans is tough.
Silverleaf, I feel like you can get away withthe T-shirt nowadays.
I don't think he had jeans on, but yeah.
The T-shirt, I feel like, is all like,Silverleaf has gotten very casual.
Depends on what kind of T-shirt we're talking.

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But there's even an etiquette to that.
Right?
Like, you got a Lululemon T-shirt on and youlook like you're in gym wear, it's probably
okay.
You know, Milwaukee's best?
I don't know.
Might not be the play.
Yeah.
Not yet.
Fair point.
We'll get there.
But as far as I'm concerned, it goes the otherway, right?

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If you're paying a million dollars to play golfout there, I should be able to do all except
being naked.
Here we go.
Kyle said he had basketball shorts on and aT-shirt.
That's right.
Did we miss anything throughout our rantsaround amateur golf?
I don't know.
I think the rise and fall or maybe it hasn'tfallen yet of, like, everybody on Instagram

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taking advantage of talking about the on-coursehot dog aka the glizzy, having a glizzy at the
turn.
Oh, yeah.
The best course on the food.
Best course on
the fish.
Best food on the
course.
My dyslexia got
see you there.
That's alright.
Hot dog's a fucking mess out there.

(01:00:42):
It's a mess.
You get grease all over your glove or yourhands, and you just really never recover from
that.
It's not that good.
Do people really like hot dogs out on the golfcourse?
Is that really, like, oh my God, I cannot waitto eat this hot dog.
It's because a lot of them have those little,like
the wheels.
What are they called?

(01:01:02):
Yeah.
The little wheels inside them.
The metal and those tend to make a pretty goodhot dog, I feel like.
So those are, you know It's a hot dog.
Ready.
They're ready.
They're there.
It's hot food.
I would do a hot dog from time to time where Idon't put anything on it, though.

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It's literally the shittiest food that youcould eat, though.
Yeah.
I mean, Kyle just said it.
ChatGPT says a hot dog is one of the worstthings a human can consume.
It is.
It's like the most toxic fucking thing that youcan eat.
Now I'm not sitting here being a beacon ofhealth because there God knows.
But, yeah.
I just don't I don't know how the hot dog roseto, I guess what I would say is, rose to such

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fame out on the golf course.
Think, like you said, maybe it's is it the onlyoption for hot food that's quick?
Do we have other options that we could offer?
Buttsy says, or, Buttsy says.
Trotgolfer says, Buttsy, we're working on thecorn dog during oversea.
Now a fucking corn dog?
Now we're cooking with gas.

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Now we're cooking with gas because it
lit up as soon as the corn dog conversationcame
on.
It has nothing to do with, like, I willliterally chow down the inside, which is a hot
dog and the worst thing you could eat, becauseit is covered in cornbread.
I love cornbread more than I don't you can'tsay that.
Is that allowed in your diet?

(01:02:30):
No.
And it's very—No.
I bought a I bought, like, a scratch and sniffcornbread thing.
So whenever I'm wanting it, I just roll overand I scratch that little thing in my bed.
I sniff the fuck out of it.
It satisfies me.
I feel like the thing that has gotten methrough because I'm eating very, very clean.
And it's called a mitochondria diet planthrough Stark Health.

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And so there's no gluten.
It's mainly whole foods.
The one thing that has got me through those,the protein level.
Like, I have to eat so much protein that, like,I used to back when I would, like, diet from
time to time just to lose some weight, would,like, crave food.
I really don't through this whole entire thing,which is pretty wild.

(01:03:15):
You
fool?
Because I used to be such a foodie.
And now it's just like, I've got my regimen towhere, like, I eat what I eat and I do it
basically over and over and over again everysingle day.
So there's not a lot of variation to it.
There are not a lot of surprises that comealong, but that's gonna be another one to where
when I get to this member guest, I'm like,shit.

(01:03:36):
Do I pack meals to go to this thing?
Like, I gotta start thinking about that.
That's a tough deal, man.
It's like no.
I gotta be
ugh.
Me, personally, I have to do shit like that.
Like, I have to prepare myself and bring stuffbecause if I fall off for a weekend, like, it

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can be tough to get back into the regimen.
It's, like, 10 times as hard.
It's just easier just to, like you said, bringa fucking protein bar, whatever you're gonna
eat, some snacks, some jerky, whatever yougotta do.
That's what I'm thinking.
I think I'm gonna go the jerky route and alsobring, like, protein, just protein powder, and

(01:04:18):
just kind of go that direction with it as muchas possible and just be discreet about it.
Not to where, like, I'm packing, like, littlemeals to come along with it.
Shaker cup out there.
I'll just fucking hold on.
I'm good.
I've got a protein shake, bro.
Don't worry.
Enjoy your fucking hot dog.
So, yeah, there you have it.
And by the way, stopping at nine and gettingfood, I feel like and actually, where's Austin

(01:04:46):
here?
Here's his comment.
Sir, you guys are two minutes behind pace.
So I feel like if when you stop at after nineand you're getting them to cook you something
at that point, not a good idea.
You're an asshole.
No.
You're asshole.
Because you're just slowing up everything atthat point.
I've had buddies where, like, they didn't givetwo shits.

(01:05:07):
They're just like, oh, I'm gonna order, youknow, X, Y and Z.
I'm gonna order a steak and I'm gonna like,that's fake.
But that being said, like, I'm trying to givethat visual of, like, them having to make you
something versus something premade or ready togo.
And that has happened.
And it drives me nuts because it's like, oh,shit.

(01:05:29):
And you see the group finishing up on the lasthole, like, all of a sudden having to wait for
you.
You haven't even teed off yet.
Just like, damn.
So that's the other thing that I would watchout for.
Plan ahead, folks.
Do not like, if you're gonna grab somethingthat's ready, fine.
But if you're gonna sit there and have to waitfor somebody to make you whatever meal it is.

(01:05:54):
Call that shit in before.
Call it in on 6.
Call the golf course.
Put them on speaker while you're waiting to teeoff.
Hey.
We're making the turn in 30 minutes.
You know, I want a fucking chicken Caesar wrap.
Okay.
Pop in.
It's done.
It's the same thing Uber Eats does.
Those people don't wait to pick up their foodbecause somebody called it in.
Okay?

(01:06:16):
Why can't you do Uber Eats on the golf course?
Like, do the same shit.
Don't fucking sit like you said.
That's part of the etiquette game.
Or, hey, what do you got that's quick?
Hot dog?
Okay.
I'll fucking wait.
I'll eat later.
Have a turkey sandwich?
Yeah.
Give me that.
I'll neck it down real quick.
I'm good.
The other one that comes from that, right, withthe you guys are two minutes behind pace is the

(01:06:37):
ranger that's out there.
We've gone over this in detail.
If you guys want to see something that wasfunny, officially Sunny was who we had on for
that episode, and that was a pretty good one.
Go back, watch that episode, but just give aquick synopsis really fast around the ranger
and that ordeal and what you should do if youare being pressed by the ranger.

(01:07:02):
It depends on if it's warranted, man.
I mean, I don't remember the exact details thatwe talked about with Sunny.
That was a few eps ago, but it has to bewarranted.
You know if you're behind, okay?
It's not a personal shot at you.
So if you are, just man up.
I'm fucking behind and heed that call and don'tbe an asshole.

(01:07:25):
And I think we talked about this with Sunny.
Half the time, it's a 90-year-old guy that'sfucking either got a chip on his shoulder and
he's senile or he's a war vet or it's just alot of not good situations that that guy's
going through or he's terrified and he doesn'twanna say anything to you to begin with.
Yeah.
Move it along.
Now, that's one side of the coin.

(01:07:45):
The other side is, what the fuck is this guytalking about?
Like, we're waiting every shot.
We are not behind.
Sometimes you have to say that.
I'll ask you, how do you go about conveyingthat when you know that you're not behind?
Maybe the guy pulls up right when they're, youknow, they leave the green on a par 3, and they

(01:08:06):
drove around a bush, and he happens on youright there and it looks like you're behind.
What do you say?
That is a good question because normally thattiming happens.
It does.
And, you know, the usual response is we werejust waiting on the group in front of us on the
last hole.

(01:08:27):
I would say that is the common thing thatpeople say.
I've said it before to a ranger, where it'slike, hey, man.
We're just waiting on them.
And then you kinda maybe just
don't, like, maybe just swallow the pride,right?
And just say, okay.
You're right.
And you know it's gonna work itself out anywaysbecause

(01:08:47):
That's what I was—that's the next thing that Ihave done more recently because I feel like I
come across as a dick when I say anything elseto a ranger trying to do his job.
It's just like, okay.
Thank you.
And then you kinda talk about it in your group.
You're like, that motherfucker.

(01:09:08):
I can't believe that he's on our ass.
We were just waiting on the group in front ofus.
Like, that whole thing, that whole conversationhappens.
But for the, like, interaction with the ranger,they're just doing their job.
So just like, I've gotten to the point to whereyeah.
I don't even say anything at this point becauseI know I'll come across as just being a dick.
Just kindness.

(01:09:29):
Killing with kindness goes a long way.
Right?
Like, that's—I personally, I am unaffected bythinking that a ranger might be in the wrong
about my position on the golf course.
Yeah.
I'm not living, I'm not getting infuriated orfinding hatred in that situation.
I'm not like, cut that motherfucker.

(01:09:50):
Son of a bitch.
Just getting absolutely fired up.
I'm like, a lot of murders out there, though.
There's a lot of guys out there that that's thefirst answer to that issue, and they don't
think about it.
It's like, okay.
This just sounds good, man.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Appreciate it.
We're gonna pick it up.
Yeah.
Trot's got the, we will catch up.

(01:10:10):
Thanks.
Like, that's perfect.
I love that.
That's all you have to say.
The other one that just popped into my head isyell fore, folks.
If there is a slight chance that a golf ballyou have just struck terribly is heading
towards a group, yell fore.
Now we've all been there.
Like, it happened today to where this groupthat was, like, three holes across the way.

(01:10:35):
This dude sprayed one.
He hit it a long way, but he sprayed one and itcame, like, over our heads.
And he didn't even wanna come over.
They were pretending like they were just gonnago hit the other golf balls.
What I love about Trot is he just yells over tothe kid.
He's like, hey.
You're gonna play your golf ball?
And the kid, like, looks over.
He's like, yeah.

(01:10:55):
Yeah.
And then all of a sudden comes over and Trot'sjust like, where where are you gonna play?
Like, that's your tee shot.
Right?
You're gonna play your tee shot?
And the kid's just like, sorry about that.
And you could just tell though that he wantedto avoid the interaction completely because
they didn't yell fore.
That wasn't even a thought.

(01:11:16):
If you play like a tight neighborhood courseand you very obviously rip one into a bunch of
houses and hear it bang around, there's no needto, like, try to avoid that area.
Just go over and it looks way better to say,hey, dude.
Like, everybody okay?
Now you might get a fucking psychopath thatforgot that he bought a house on the golf

(01:11:39):
course.
That does happen as well.
Son of a bitch, where'd you learn the fuck out?
Hey, brother.
If I knew I was gonna hit you, I wouldn't behere right now.
Okay?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a tough one, I guess.
That's tough.
I actually have a funny story about playing ina pro event on the Butch Harmon Vegas Tour.

(01:12:00):
We were playing the Las Vegas, gosh.
It's where they used to play the Las VegasInvitational.
Okay.
I can't remember the course name.
Trot, maybe you could look this one up.
But it's, like, right in Las Vegas.
And I was the ninth hole.
I end up pull hooking, which is where thiswhole entire concept of this show comes from.

(01:12:25):
And it went right into the stucco of thiswoman's house.
And she had a net and it went, like, throughthe net, like caught like one of the hole
spaces, cruise.
And went right in.
And she was outside.
So she comes over and I'm just like, I'm like,I walked right up to her.
I'm just like, I am so sorry.
Like, we're in a pro event.

(01:12:46):
Like, I'm so embarrassed.
I'm I'm sorry about that.
And she goes, look what you did.
I'm like, yeah.
I see the golf ball stuck in your stucco.
Really sorry about that.
Like, what do you do in that instance otherthan just apologize?
Like, I feel like
Hop the fence with your lob wedge and start totake divots out of her stucco until the ball

(01:13:09):
comes out.
I couldn't believe it.
I was just like, gosh, man.
And I had a good round going too.
I think I was like a couple under and ended updoing that.
And I'm like, oh, there goes the round.
Absolutely just but that used to be my MO.
I would ruin golf rounds just with that pullhook and then it's done.
Like, hit it OB and good luck from there.

(01:13:32):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You don't wanna do it off one, and you don'twanna do it when you're playing well coming
down the stretch.
Those are just really, that's why when wetalked about the best golf movie, there's a
bunch of comments to that too that I posted.
I don't know how, as a good player, peopledon't put Tin Cup at the top because of that

(01:13:55):
gut-wrenching scenario on 18.
That's just horrible.
So it's just they're two totally differentmovies between Caddyshack to Tin Cup.
Yeah.
And I'm with you.
Like, both of those are, like, my favorite fora different reason for each, but they're so
contrasting in terms of their style, like, whyyou wanna watch it.

(01:14:18):
And I thought about this a lot after lastweek's episode because I was not ready to do
the Mount Rushmore.
We even had a smart-ass on TikTok that waslike, you know, Mount Rushmore is only four,
not five.
And I'm like, good for you, bud.
But I wasn't ready to do that segment.
And the more I thought about it over this week,I'm sitting there going, you know, it's kinda

(01:14:41):
one A and one B, but for two totally differentreasons.
I kind of look at it like which, you know, it'stwo it's just two different emotions.
You got one that's very dramatic and pulls onthe heartstrings, the other one is just very
funny.
Yeah.
And I feel like the stronger of those two,like, Caddyshack is very funny, but it is by it

(01:15:01):
is not even close to the funniest movie I'veever seen.
It did not have me pissing myself laughing onthe floor.
It is very, very entertaining to watch.
But in terms of feel and maybe I'm analyzingthis way too far.
In fact, I know I am.
But the drama from Tin Cup, the feeling, like,I don't even like watching the movie over again

(01:15:24):
to this day because you know it's coming.
He's gonna do it, and you think you're gonnasee an alternate ending, and the same thing
happens.
And it just fucking tugs on me way harder thanCaddyshack made me laugh.
So that's kind of why it's at the top for me.
I think you don't love Caddyshack that much.
I love Caddyshack.

(01:15:45):
It's okay.
It's just yeah.
It's just, an old slapstick comedy that'sreally good and probably the first shot at a
funny golf movie ever.
So it holds that crown.
But
There you go.
It doesn't do what Cup does to me.
When I I fucking hate Tin Cup as much as I loveit.

(01:16:05):
Oh, man.
You could tell there is some scar tissue therewith good old Buttsy with being in some of
those moments.
He's a risk taker out there
on the golf course.
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