Scottie Scheffler: Greatest Golfer Ever?

Matt Cook and Brent Grant explore Scottie Scheffler's core strategy and comparison to golf legends, highlighting his mindset, faith, and influence on the PGA Tour. They dive into the Korn Ferry Tour's challenges and the complexities of sponsorship and media rights in golf. A debate ensues between Tiger Woods and Scottie Scheffler's place in history, with Ted Scott's caddying skills spotlighted. The discussion shifts to major events, Rory's Masters victory, and schedule changes, before introducing golf prodigy Dylan Brack. They touch on Bryson's contract, LIV golfers' major performances, and potential PGA Tour returns. The episode wraps up with sponsor acknowledgments and Stark Health's impact on Matt's journey.

Episode Transcript

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Scottie Scheffler's core strategy is the bestthere ever has been.
Period.
I'm passionate about it, but I do want to skipback to Scottie Scheffler being the greatest of
all time.
We're not saying that Scottie right now, if hejust stopped playing golf, is the greatest of
all time.
Scottie's got to continue this out.

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He is right now the greatest player we haveever seen, in my opinion.
And once again, that is so tough to say becauseI just love Tiger's game so, so much.
And Scottie's, you know, it's not the prettiestthing in the world, but he is so gosh darn
consistent.
Bryson sticks around.
Does Scottie have the same level of dominanceas he does now?

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Because I don't think so, to be honest, becauseJon took See,
I do.
But here's the thing, like, I get the argumentthat, oh, you're not playing against the LIV
guys.
Only two of them.
But those guys really weren't winningtournaments against Scottie Scheffler anyways.
Like, Scottie is beating guys, and I think itwould have only pushed Scottie a little bit
further as well to compete at even a higherlevel.

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And that's where I'm just like, I get it, butat the same time, like, you look at these PGA
Tour fields.
They might not be the household names thatyou're accustomed to, but these guys are damn
good players and better than years past some ofthe bigger names.

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Welcome back everybody to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
Tonight, we've got our tour insider back withus, Mister Brent Grant.
And Buttsy is running a little bit late, sohopefully he's gonna be chiming in midway
through this conversation that we're about tohave, which is around the greatest golfer ever.

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And so we will dive into all of the latesttopics around Scottie Scheffler, the Tiger
Woods debate, and so much more because is itone of them that's the greatest, or are there
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We'll get into all of that on this episode.
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Let's go.
We've gone on long enough with sponsors, the 5a.m.
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Let's get into it.
Scottie Scheffler wins the Open Championship,two majors in a year.

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And the question is, is he the greatest golferof all time?
Now, I'm gonna preface this with the fact thathe, like, it's too early to say that he is the
absolute GOAT at this point.
But just taking these couple years to wherehe's been phenomenal, absolutely great, do you

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think he is the greatest of all time if hekeeps this up?
I think if he
We might have lost Brent.
Can you hear me?
Brent looks frozen for the moment.
Oh, hold on.
What's going on here?
Not sure if we're gonna get Brent back.
His internet was doing just fine there for abit, but we'll wait for Brent on that one.
And I will start with a comment actually fromAustin.

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He has quite a trajectory going.
And here's the thing, and I kinda wanted to teeit up with Brown.
I'm kinda hesitant to give my take on itbecause my take's a little bit different than I
feel like I've been hearing from all of thegolf pundits that are out there, all of the
media outlets that are out there.
And here's the thing.
I think right now, he is the greatest golfer ofall time or playing as the greatest golfer of

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all time.
And that's weird to say because I am a hugeTiger guy.
I think Tiger Woods is absolutely the GOAT.
And now I kinda get it from the basketballperspective because I've always been a Michael
Jordan guy.
Like, never LeBron James has he ever, in mymind, been the greatest of all time.
But now it's kinda like, this is interestingwith golf because here we have Scottie

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Scheffler.
And I'm gonna tell you why in my opinion, he isthe greatest of all time right now.
Like right now, Scottie Scheffler is playingthe absolute best golf we have seen in my
opinion.
It is not the flair.
It is not the clutchness of Tiger Woods.
Like, Tiger was everything you would want Tigerto be.

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And Brent's joining us back here.
Hey, there he is.
You're back.
Sorry.
I have no idea what happened.
Scary for a bit.
That's okay.
I started sharing what's going on.
So I was really hesitant to share my opinion.
I'm kinda into it a little bit.
That's
fine.
But I do wanna get your take.
So let's let's segue to you real quick.
Scottie Scheffler, is he the greatest of alltime?

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I think, right.
I think, if he were to keep this up,statistically speaking, I don't think there's
anybody that has dominated as much as he has,statistically speaking.
You know, the real question, obviously, is it'sa comparison against Tiger, ultimately.
Right?
So, and I brought this up to a couple ofpeople, players, you know, like you said

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earlier on, you know, we have conversationswith our dads about this stuff.
You know?
And I asked the question, and he, you know, mydad's been watching golf for 40 years.
So, obviously, he would know a lot more aboutthe competition level back then than I would.
But the question is, is the competition nowstiffer than the competition in Tiger's day,

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we'll call it '98 to '02/2015.
And I don't think that the competition level asfar as ability of players is as good as it is
now.
However, there's some other things going onthat we can get into later with regards to the
elevated events and what that's doing to theplayers' work ethics and such like that.

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But if he keeps this up for another decade,without a doubt.
Without a doubt.
So it's funny too that you mentioned thestrength of players that are out there right
now because I was talking about this a littlebit last week with Buttsy.
He feels as though it's not going to betechnology as to the reason why, like, we get

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somebody who is just, like, the next coming ofthe best player ever.
And we've kind of brought up Scottie Schefflerat the time where it's like, hey, look at
Scottie.
Number one player in the world, the best playerright now, possibly the best player at the
moment, like, ever.
And sure enough, like, you look at him and hisswing is not orthodox whatsoever.

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There's an artistry to it.
Right?
And that's part of this whole entire thing.
But I also do believe that technology has madeplayers better.
And I do believe that the strength across anentire field is better than it's ever
been.
Right?
It yeah.
It I I mean, it's evolution in a way.

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Like, some can use that argument in other ways,but I would say that technology for one and I'm
a big technology guy, so it's not surprisingfor me to say this.
But I think technology has leveled the playingfield in a lot of ways.
Where you need somebody like a ScottieScheffler that swings it different, that is
different.
A Jon Rahm is not, like, perfectly sound.

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Yeah.
I
Like, there there's another
Yeah.
I
mean, But there
We start talking about this stuff, and it's sofunny that all of the things that have
happened, right, with LIV and then the PGA Tourdoing what it's done with the schedule and has
essentially isolated the top 30 guys and havekept them there, right?

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The guys that have broken in have literallybroken in.
Like, there's a bunch of gatekeeping going on.
And what's interesting is what if—I know it's ahypothetical—but if Jon would've stuck around
so I played that season, and I can tell youthat I was disappointed when Scottie got the

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player of the year.
I was like, Jon won the Masters and he won fourother tournaments.
It's Jon.
I don't give a shit about scoring average oranything like that, but Jon played better the
whole year.
And so but then, obviously, he leaves to LIV,and that muddies the whole situation.

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But if he sticks around, or if Bryson sticksaround, does Scottie have the same level of
dominance as he does now?
Because I don't think so, to be honest, becauseJon took a
lot to do.
And but here's the thing.
Like, I get the argument that, oh, you're notplaying against the LIV guys.
Only two of them.

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But those guys really weren't winningtournaments against Scottie Scheffler anyways.
Like, Scottie is beating guys, and I think itwould have only pushed Scottie a little bit
further as well to compete at even a higherlevel.
And that's where I'm just like, I get it, butat the same time, like, you look at these PGA
Tour fields.
They might not be the household names thatyou're accustomed to, but these guys are damn

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good players and better than years past some ofthe bigger names.
And that's why, like, in a lot of ways, theguys who went to LIV are off in obscurity.
Like, they're not competing at the highestlevel anymore, and some of them were kinda on
the way down.
Right?
But all these guys that are coming up, and Ikinda looked at that Open leaderboard, and for
a little while there was looking super strong.

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Right?
But Sunday, when you start looking at the namesthat are you go down the list, Harris say
English is up there like, that's not a big namethat you're like, wow, that's one of the top
players in the world.
But that's gonna happen at an OpenChampionship, but it also goes to show you how
good these guys are.
Haotong Li.
Right?
Like, these guys are the best players in theworld and there are levels to this, but again,

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I don't wanna get too far off track with thestrength of field because we can go a little
bit down a rabbit hole.
Like, you start looking at the stats and thenumbers, and I feel like across the board,
players are better
Oh, yeah.
Than they ever have been, period.
No.
You're absolutely correct, and I totally agree.
I think when I isolate a guy like Jonspecifically because of the tournaments that he

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won, because of the run that he was on, youknow, the U.S.
Open, then the Masters, and then obviouslymultiple wins outside of the majors as well,
you know, that's really the only guy I look atbecause Bryson wasn't doing Bryson, yes, won
the U.S.
Open, and I'm not gonna take anything away fromthat.
But he was not dominating across the schedulethe way Scottie and Jon were.

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And even you look at Rory McIlroy.
Right?
I look at Rory now as essentially kind of await-to-see Phil Mickelson.
I mean, after he won the Masters, he's a shellof who he was.
But the real key for me that even let Scottieinto my mind as somebody that could possibly

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take Tiger's mantle is how these guys aretalking about him.
Now granted, again, these guys are not youknow, they're all a bunch of very young men.
Right?
They're 25 to 32.
They've pretty much been silver spooned theirentire lives and had everything, you know,
pretty much paved out for them.
Certainly not like the journeymen that Tigerhad to go up against, the actual absolute

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grinders.
But the simple fact of the matter is thateverything is working towards these top players
being able to stay on top, and I think ithonestly has softened them.
But Scottie, because he doesn't place who he isin the game, he just goes out there and has one

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goal and one goal only, and that's to win.
Everybody else is just sort of like, well, allI gotta do is make the cut here and make the
cut there and top-five it here.
And well, because I play in all the elevatedevents, I'm good, guys.
And so, you see that from like a Jordan and aJustin and a, well, not Xander.
Xander's obviously incredible.

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But, you know, like Collin Morikawa.
Guys that were in the conversation two yearsago as these world beaters, and they're
nonexistent now.
So
Yeah.
So I'm with you.
I will say that Scottie Scheffler and I gotinto this conversation as well around are guys

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actually afraid of Scottie Scheffler like theywere Tiger Woods back in the day when Tiger was
dominating.
Almost.
And I think they are now.
Almost.
Like, I think that what he said at the OpenChampionship before the Open about how golf is
not the most important thing in his life.
Not even close.

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And what's most of like that perspective of, ohshit.
He's playing at this level.
Now, did try to kind of backtrack a little bitafterwards, but I think it was very powerful to
be like, this is not the most important thingin
my life.
Yeah.
It's it's it's not it's not about me.

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Yeah.
And I think that was the first time thatplayers started going, oh, shit.
Like, Scottie Scheffler has not just arrived,but he's got the perspective and mindset that
is going to like, if it's not the mostimportant thing in the world, like it was to

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Tiger Woods, because I think it's pretty safeto say golf was the most important thing in
Tiger's world.
And yet, Scottie Scheffler is performing likethis.
And then you started hearing Bryson DeChambeaustart chirping about how and I know he was
like, it was one of those backhandedcompliments, I feel like, to where he was
talking about, well, Scottie wasn't that goodin college.

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So he's gotten a lot better since then.
That that that's the point.
Like, it
was one of those, like yeah.
It's like, okay.
Yeah.
Obviously, he's gotten a lot better like a lotof people do.
Like Bryson?
Yeah.
Bryson won the USM.
Good job.
That that's, like, relax, dude.
So for Scottie to all of a sudden have Brysonstart talking about him.
You know, Spieth talking about how, you know,he is the best BSer on the golf course back

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home in Dallas.
Like, he chirps these guys and he's very verywitty.
So there's a Scottie Scheffler that's therethat the world still has not fully seen yet.
I feel like he's starting to open up more andmore and more.
And he's starting to talk more to the media andbe a little bit more honest and open.

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But man, that candidness around his faith andjust golfing not being the most important
thing.
And I thought about that a lot this week.
And I watched, like, when guys started gettinga little bit close to him on the leaderboard,
started to fall a little bit.
And so even when Scottie stumbled, it's like,But that goes back to why, in my opinion,

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Scottie Scheffler compared to Tiger Woods.
Scottie Scheffler is actually the more scarygolfer.
And I think he's better than Tiger ever wasright now.
Like, you can look back at 2000 and it's sodifficult for me to say this, by the way,
because you look at February, that's the bestgolf swing, the most fundamental golf swing,

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that is the best, like, so many things, andyet, Scottie's the exact opposite.
Correct.
So it's so difficult to sit here and say that.
I'm just like, man, it's I just coming out ofmy mouth too, I'm just like
Yeah.
It doesn't quite
make sense.
It well, but to your point.

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Right?
But if you just look at it, this is why havinga conversation 25 years removed, right, is is
so difficult because the type of golf coursethat Tiger was dominating on, that doesn't
really exist anymore.
The the the four-inch rough consistently, youknow, the the the really long, you know,

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difficult, maybe not the most manicured golfcourses on the planet.
But the bottom line is is, like, he woneverywhere and every which way, whether that
was 14 fairways and 18 greens or it was fivefairways and, you know, six greens.
It didn't matter.
The guy just did whatever he needed to do towin.

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But what I find to be probably the mostimportant stat that I think Scottie's got
another 28 wins to do, it would be if hematches or beats Tiger's record of 37
consecutive Sundays, 54-hole lead wins that hewins on Sunday after leading after Saturday.

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That is when I would be like, yep.
Done.
Like, whatever he does is over.
And so, you know, I think what's amazing isthat it may be ugly, but he's doing something
Tiger never did, which was lead in almost everysingle category there is.
Tiger didn't lead in the driving category.
He did not certainly, certainly did not leadnecessarily in the ball-striking category.

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Although when he did win, he was obviouslyhitting it great.
But Tiger picked his golf courses, and I again,I just go back to the fact that I just don't
think the competition was anywhere near thelevel of the guys today.
You say that and I agree with you.

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It is a tough thing to agree with, though.
It's like there's that big of a differencebetween fields, but to me, well, I'll go back
to this, is that Scottie Scheffler and I prideplayers.
It's one of the reasons why I think MichaelJordan is the greatest of all time and not even
close to LeBron James.

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I think there's a level between those two guysbecause of the competitiveness and the
clutchness of Michael Jordan versus LeBron.
I don't think LeBron's ever been that clutch.
And I think that's an easier argument forpeople who have seen both in basketball to
where Scottie Scheffler is not clutch in myopinion.
And here's the thing, people have disagreedwith me and you'll hear the players talk about,

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oh, Scottie's mindset is so strong.
So, he's tough to beat when he's in that lockedin like that.
And that's great and dandy, but folks, therewere two FedEx Cups where he blew a massive
lead and lost.
He four-putted at the Masters to win, which, bythe way, he admitted to crying before that

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final round at the Masters because he didn'tthink he was ready to win the Masters.
He's not been able to hit this year.
Was it this year or last year?
He had the record-breaking tournament and hecouldn't get it done.
He ends up bogeying one of, I think, 17.
And all he had to do was par.

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Right?
Yeah.
It was Dallas, Byron Nelson.
Yeah.
It was the Byron Nelson, and he could have hadthe all-time lowest tournament scoring record.
Like and then you look at his Ryder Cupappearances and those haven't been great.
So like to me, and the Ryder Cup, by the way,is one of those where it's a pressure cooker.
If you aren't clutch, you're not gonna playgreat in the Ryder Cup.

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Right?
But it just goes to show you that even withoutthat clutchness, to be able to do what he's
doing is why my perception of him and myopinion of him is changing.
Like, I'm in the position right now where if hekeeps this up, and granted, I'm not saying he's

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gotta win two majors every single year, but ifhe keeps this up and wins a major every year,
why not?
All of
a sudden, Scottie Scheffler is absolutely thebest player in the world.
And by the way, folks, he won two tournamentsthis year, two majors where he won the PGA by
five strokes.
He wins the Open Championship by four.

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So that's the first time that's ever happenedin a calendar year.
And then on top of that, you look at a fun factthat I love that everybody's been talking
about.
It's the exact number of days between theirfirst major victory to their fourth, which is
one thousand one hundred ninety seven daysbetween them and that's Tiger and Scottie.

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The big difference there though, Tiger was 24years old.
Scottie Scheffler's 29.
So it's a four and a half year difference therewhen you look at the actual months and days.
So that's the only big difference there.
And how long is Scottie Scheffler going towanna do this?

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Not like
Five years.
He's competitive as shit, but
Yeah.
I honestly, it's so funny you asked that.
The last thing I said last night to my dad was,I was like, as soon as his son starts going to
school, he's done.
And it's not because he'll drop off.
It's just he'll just look at it and go, Idon't, I'm gonna do something else.

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I think that's
the thing.
Scottie Scheffler.
I agree with you, by the way.
I don't think that this career is going to be—Idon't think he lusts over records.
Not even all that.
I don't think he does.
I don't think he gives a crap if he has themost majors, if he's got the most PGA Tour
wins, if he's got any of that.

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I think he's living a higher purpose, whichgoes to a little bit of the mental standpoint.
That is intimidating to these guys because theyknow they care so much.
And it's funny, our unofficial researcher,track golfer here, he just brought up the fact
that Tiger was 13, 21, and 3 in Ryder Cupevents, and Scottie's 2, 2, and 3.

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So Scottie's got a ways to go, but Tiger withthat losing record, it goes to show you that
even being clutch, you know, in the Ryder Cup,that pressure cooker.
So, I mean, there's kind of a knock a littlebit on Tiger even though most Ryder Cup events,
you're playing with a team.
Correct.
Yeah.
I think that's a great point.
And what's interesting is the debate reallycenters around how long he's gonna do it.

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Right?
And so the thing that I love most aboutScottie's faith and how he communicates it to
the world is that he went on afive-and-a-half-minute monologue about what's
the point.

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And I'll be honest.
I was like, dude, seriously, like, time andplace, like, that's not really—like, you're
sitting at the Open.
What's the point?
Like, it's pretty obvious what his point is.
Now, I think he was trying to, you know, subtlysay, basically, that, you know, guys stop
getting wrapped up in this golf thing becauseit's really not the point.

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But he ends it with, well, my faith in myfamily, and if this golf thing ever affects my
family, I'm done.
And it showed that he is a real person.
And I think that is different than any othertop player that's ever played, certainly in the

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last 20 years.
And 100% since social media began to reallysort of kick into high gear.
Because, I mean, you hear these stories likeyou just said.
Right?
Like, Jordan called him out.
He was like, man, this guy chirps more thananybody.
And the reason why he chirps more than anybodyis because he's hyper-competitive.
The same way that Tiger was hyper-competitive.

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How they communicate it, two different things.
And so, yeah, I think to your point, that'swhat makes it so difficult.
But also at the same time, it's like, if hestops after five years, does that necessarily
mean that he wasn't the greatest ever for sevenyears?
I don't think so.

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I think the statistics—I mean, he's what?
I think he's literally one or two in90-something percent of the categories.
That's ridiculous.
That's unreal.
And he's doing it so ugly with that ugly swing.

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Well, and I did see a question that was posedthat was, hey, is Scottie Scheffler good for
the game of golf?
Like, Tiger transcended the sport.
And I think that's why it's so difficult totalk about this to compare them.
And it feels so odd to put Scottie Scheffler inthat world of Tiger Woods because he's not

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transcending.
Well, he is.
Like, he's not
in a different way, though.
Right?
He
literally just doesn't care.
But it's almost
He's not growing the game.
Is he actually good for, is he good for the PGAtoo?
Gosh.
No.
I guess I'll pose that way.
Absolutely not.
I mean, I think, honestly, and my dad said thesame thing last night.
Actually, like, a half dozen people have saidthe exact same thing, funny enough, in the last

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few weeks was, like, he's making the wholeprocess look really stupid.
And I think, honestly, go back to what I wassaying earlier about the elevated events.
I think half of these guys, you know, you haveJustin, Jordan, Ricky, all pre-2020 guys that

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were, you know, world beaters at one time oranother, where post-2022 now over the last
three years, their careers have basically beenkinda drug along by the decisions that they've
been a part of.
You know, there is no Ricky Fowler this year ifhe doesn't get those exemptions in these

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elevated events.
There is no Jordan Spieth or Justin Thomas,necessarily, in the way that they are now.
They would be kinda closer to that 100 number,which would kind of be an issue.
But so no.
I don't think he's great for the game of golf.
I mean, he even said it.
He's like, I'm not out here to inspire anybody.

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I'm out here because I've been given theability and been blessed to do so, and that's
it.
So what I think the PGA Tour needs to do isstop trying to recreate Tiger, and stop trying
to recreate that business model, and moveforward looking at how well, first of all, it's
pretty much the end of my point is, ScottieScheffler came from the Korn Ferry Tour, and

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his dad himself said, if it weren't for theKorn Ferry Tour, there would be no Scottie
Scheffler.
So let's just lay it to bed that the pathway tothe PGA Tour works and actually build upon that
rather than what they're doing, which isessentially gatekeeping.
But that's a whole other conversation.
I've brought it up in years past.

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Like, it was probably a couple years ago when Italked about how I wish that golf had like the
minor league system kinda like baseball has.
Right?
Basketball ended up introducing what's calledthe G League.
Right?
So that guys who are good enough, but maybejust haven't been refined or they haven't found

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their game, so to speak, and they need moretime in order to get to that level.
I think golf has always not had that.
It's always been the players that have familymoney that can stick around on the mini tours
for a long period of time or stick around, youknow, playing on the Korn Ferry Tour and just
kinda getting by or always going to Q Schooland having enough money to go do that.

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That's part of the equation.
I mean, you're going through it now to whereit's like, hey.
Gotta go through that fundraising side ofthings, and it's a grind when you have to
actually fundraise yourself rather than havinga parent that hands over the money and then you
go play.
So that was always to me.
I'm like, man, I always felt like I missed mytime because I didn't have enough time to

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develop.
I was late to the game from a, like and I wasimproving year after year after year after
year, and I just was like, man, it got cut tooshort because of real life to where it's like,
hey, you gotta pay bills.
You gotta move on at some point.
And even the Korn Ferry Tour for golf, it'slike, man, I really feel like that's a grind to

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where, like, I still remember my buddy incollege.
Like, he went and played and it was theNationwide Tour at the time.
I think he came out of like heavy in debtafterwards because of all the travel, the
little pay.
There obviously is no salary, so you gotta makethe cuts.
Like, I would love to see that be like take ona little bit of a LIV model to where they were

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kinda going down that path with the $500 typeand they just did it wrong.
Right?
It's like, man, if they actually paid theseguys, and I'm not saying you have to pay guys
half a million dollars, but if you pay them asalary to be out there, like, cover the travel.
Like, get a corporate plan going to where youcover all the travel and you put these guys,

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everybody up in a, you know, it doesn't have tobe a high-end hotel.
Cover it.
Put them up.
Yeah.
Just cover it.
Right?
Yeah.
100%.
Even put them into teams.
Like, it's kind of the LIV Golf model that Ialways felt like would work well.
And we're seeing it with the Grass League rightnow to where, like, yes, that whole thing could

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end up becoming a feeder into the PGA Tour atsome point where it's like, man, I wish that
this had existed years back and hopefully,like, we start to see some of that.
But I know, like, guys aren't being paidsalaries out there right now.
Like, that's up to the team owners at somepoint once they get big enough.

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But you look at even, like, the SavannahBananas in baseball.
Right?
They had to go very much a social media routein order to get these guys.
But these are all guys that wanted to play proball that were in the minor
league players.
And just never, yeah.
They're very good players, but, you know, theyjust really didn't have an opportunity to

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continue on, and even at that level, like, whenyou look at baseball.
So I could go down an absolute rabbit hole withthat one because I think golf structurally
could be improved greatly.
And to your point, I feel like they need tobuild up.
And the tough thing with golf throughout theyears in the PGA Tour's approach, they've gone

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after the hot commodity coming out of collegeor coming off of the Korn Ferry Tour.
And they don't really bump the guys that havecome off of the Korn Ferry Tour.
It's more so the college stud that they'relike, oh, he could be the big thing on the PGA
Tour.
Yeah.
I it's 100%.
So it'd be great to start to see some of that.
That's so well put.
I think that really, you know, puts a nicepoint on it too.

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Right?
And you just wonder, all of the money that wasmade from Tiger pre-COVID.
Right?
All of the money that was made off the golfcourse.
You know, you could watch Nationwide on TV, bythe way.
You could watch Web.com on TV.
And it really just kinda calls into question,really, what the motivation of the PGA Tour is

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when you see post-COVID when golf began toreach millions more people through YouTube,
other social media, through just the fact thatthey couldn't be, you know, couldn't stand to
be inside anymore.
You know, they're working online and from homenow, so they, you know, they kinda have, you

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know, the want to get outside, and golf is awonderful thing to do.
And all the money that was made by thesemanufacturers, and yet every single
manufacturer is taking money out of the game.
And by the way, almost every single clubmanufacturer is no longer paying anywhere near
what they used to pay.
Actually, it's every single club manufacturer.

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Every clothing manufacturer has pretty muchstopped paying.
How old is Lefty?
Hey, Trotty.
Yes.
He is to put a pause.
Dylan is 19 years old.
This kid is going to be unbelievable, and we'lltalk about that later.
But the big thing is, honestly, the fact thatall of the money from the sponsors of the

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players themselves, because none of theclothing manufacturers or club manufacturers
are necessarily sponsoring the tour, is goingaway, which means more and more players need to
go to corporate sponsors.
But corporate sponsors look at—I mean, you andI have had this conversation.
Buttsy, all three of us have had thisconversation a number of times.
Where are you gonna get your return oninvestment if you can't be seen on TV and you

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can't control your media rights or the contentthat you do?
I can't go out and make my own YouTube unlessthe PGA Tour gives me an okay, and I'm not even
in tournaments right now.
Yeah.
I don't wanna get too—anyways, too far offtrack.
I know.
So—
you're passionate about it.
I'm passionate about it, but I do wanna skipback to Scottie Scheffler being the greatest of

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all time.
And granted, we understand folks.
We're not saying that Scottie right now with ifyou just if he stopped playing golf is the
greatest of all time.
Scottie's gotta continue this out, but he isright now the greatest player we have ever seen
in my opinion.
And that once again, that is so tough to saybecause I just love Tiger's game so, so much.

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And Scottie's, you know, it's not the prettiestthing in the world, but he is so gosh darn
consistent.
And here's the thing that I think separateshim.
Jack Nicklaus mentioned this at the Memorial.
Scottie Scheffler's course strategy is the bestthat there ever has been.
Like,
period.
Ted Scott's.
Yeah.
Jack Nicklaus said that and I have to fullyagree with that to where it's like, man, he

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does not play the shots that Tiger would haveplayed.
Tiger was risky out there.
He just plays so dang solid all the time andtheir course strategy is dialed.
So again, I do believe that his consistency andcourse strategy are the two things and he
doesn't stray away from it.
That's the other thing.

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A lot of guys in the moment will stray away totry to do something.
Scottie Scheffler does not.
Now, that being said, prime versus prime Tigerdominate Scottie.
Interesting.
So, you know, if they were playing one on one,you know, I think that's where the
competitiveness and the clutchness comes in.

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Scottie's super competitive and I don't thinkwe get to see enough of that.
But him versus Tiger, that would have been apretty good one.
And if it came down to a clutch moment, I'mgoing with Tiger on that for the clutch moment.
But I think Scottie Scheffler throughout anentire 18 holes of stroke play.
If it's not match play, I think ScottieScheffler takes that, right now against prime

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Tiger.
And that would obviously be an interesting onethat I'd love to see the simulations on.
But let's get to where we're talking aboutstrategy and Scottie's strategy being the best
of all time.
That leads into Ted Scott.
Yeah.
And I saw this comment.
Ted Scott, is he the greatest caddie of alltime?

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No.
Brent's saying no.
However, he has two players.
One with Bubba Watson, wins two majors.
And now with Scottie, Scottie's got four majorsat this point.
So I'm sitting here going, okay, you did itwith two players.
And Bubba really, granted Bubba dealt with someinjuries and Ted left when the time was right,

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went on to Scottie's bag.
But I gotta think that there's something therethat I maybe and I know the caddies are
probably gonna shit all over me for this one.
But Ted Scott, there's something there withTed.
Yeah.
I think it's a I think it's a shared faith.
I mean, the fact is that course management isnot a difficult thing to learn, and it's even

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better.
The equation literally falls under emotionalmanagement.
And can Scottie's emotions be pulled out of theequation?
And the answer is, yeah.
Absolutely.
Clearly.
He is unbelievably consistent because he'sconsistent emotionally.

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And, obviously, he's an unbelievable golfer,but the fact is that you said it.
He doesn't take chances, and he doesn't have tobecause he just hits it to 15 to 25 feet every
time.
Sometimes he'll knock it stiff.
Sure.
But it's just a constant barrage of fairway,green, fairway, green.

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And yeah.
Well, yeah.
So Brent Grant brings up Stevie and Fluffprobably in that convo too.
I have to fully agree with that.
That would definitely be in my top caddies ofall time if we're to create a list.
And maybe that's something on a segment on afuture show we're absolutely gonna do.

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Trot also brings up that Ted Scott had learneda lot about patience with Bubba.
So funny enough, I had on Scott Higgins who wasScotty's caddie before being left at the altar
with Ted Scott, and then he ended up going onto Mito Pereira's bag for that PGA Championship

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that Mito he's I told Scott, he should haveyanked that driver out of Mito's hands on the
18th hole of the PGA Championship and he justdidn't do it.
So that being said though, he said and hefinally admitted as we got into the show and he
started loosening up a little bit that ScottieScheffler is a tough bag.

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That he was one of the hardest players tocaddie for.
So that goes to Trot's point around howcaddying for Bubba Watson, we all know the
outburst Teddy used to take just absolute wouldbe screamed at, told like that it was his fault
so often.
And then he gets on Scotty's bag.

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I might still
have Scotty being a very tough bag.
And he's made it look easy yeah, with Scotty ina lot of ways to where it's like, man, they
just seem like they gel.
But you can see it out there when ScottieScheffler gets, like, frustrated.
Like, it's very apparent.
Yeah.
I agree.
I think what I would love to see, if it'spossible because, obviously, he's a tough bag.

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I mean, the guy doesn't do anything necessarilyby the book.
But I honestly believe that, and Ted's been onwith William Cain and Webb Simpson and Ben
Crane on the Bible Caddy podcast, and he talkedabout this last year.
But it literally showed him so much patience,exactly what Trotty said, that, you know, he

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knows Scottie knows that Ted has been there,done that.
And I think Ted now being a little older,certainly further on in his walk, is almost
like a completely trustworthy older brother.
And is one of those guys that he could takeanybody and be like, no.

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Just do this.
Just do this.
Trust me.
Do this.
And Scottie does.
Do I think that there are times where Scottiemaybe gets a little bit too emotional and has a
hard time reining it in a way.
You know, you saw it at the Scottish Open.
He didn't necessarily have full form there, butit was also right before a major, you know, and

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so on and so forth.
And is he gonna be as competitively locked inat the Scottish Open as he would be at the
British?
Obviously not.
And so there you go.
You know?
They have this Scotty has this revelation infront of the media, in front of the golf world,
and goes out there and is clearly, like, supercalm throughout the bad weather, terrible

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weather in some cases.
Not the easiest golf course and goes out thereand just absolutely kills it.
So that I have been saying that for a while,that if it weren't for Ted, I don't think we'd
see anywhere near the level of dominance.
But what's interesting is, would Tiger need acaddie necessarily to dominate out there?

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I don't think so.
Well, he had some good ones.
I mean, he had Fluff on the bag.
For sure.
He had Stevie Williams on the bag.
Stevie, I mean, I was listening to a podcastwith Stevie where he was sharing about how he
wouldn't give Tiger the correct yardagesbecause he knew that he was pumped up, and so
he gave him different yardages because he knewwhat Tiger was going to hit.

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And I mean, granted, he got called out a littlebit for people thought that he was lying about
it and so forth, but I know for a fact thatthat happens with caddies out there that, like,
sometimes the you know?
Like, even when I had Bobby Brown on who wascaddying for Dustin Johnson, he's like, there
were times where I gave him the wrong clubaltogether, and he just played to feel to hit

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that shot into there even though it was thewrong club.
So, like, there's those types of things, butyou never heard anybody mention that Tiger was
a tough bag.
No.
So that was like, when you think about how muchtalent Tiger had and what it must have been
like to be on his bag, nobody has said thathe's a tough

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man.
No.
And so the guy that's on his bag right now,caddied for Lance.
Got it.
Lance caddied for Sungjae Im, and I got to talkto him and through another gentleman who's
well, Pepsi.
While Pepsi was on my bag, he went to work forTiger, and they know each other, obviously.
And Pepsi was just like he's like, I don'tknow.

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They just show up and it's super regimented.
Everything's obviously the way it needs to be,but there is no I totally 100% agree.
Although they've that, you know, that would beinteresting.
They might get into a lifting battle beforeeach round, so who knows how he would play.
But yeah.
I think, honestly, to your point, never everonce heard that Tiger was a difficult guy to be

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around in general on the golf course.
So you just had to
keep some secrets.
That's it.
Yeah.
Like, that was the thing.
You had to be you had to be faithful to Tiger.
Like, you couldn't go and go caddy for somebodyelse.
And we saw that happen for a couple times whereStevie all of a sudden jumped on Adam Scott's

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bag, and it's like, okay, see you, Stevie.
Then all of a sudden, it was Joe LaCava andPatrick Cantlay.
See you, Joe.
And now Lance Bennett.
And so it's kinda crazy, but by far, and I'lljust state this as we kinda wrap up the
greatest of all time conversation here betweenTiger and Scotty.
Tiger Woods by far had more talent.

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Like, that is not in question.
Like, in my opinion, clutchness, talent goes toTiger all day long, which is why this is kind
of a frustrating thing to talk about where it'slike, man, Scottie Scheffler is
It's early on though.
Possibly the absolute best right now of thatwe'll ever see, but maybe not.
I mean, we were saying that about Tiger and nowall of a sudden we got Scottie Scheffler.

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I think we need to appreciate what Scottie'sdoing even though it's not the prettiest thing
in the world, that it's not the most clutchthing in the world, that yes, it is a little
bit boring at times.
But you have to appreciate the consistency, thefeel and touch around the greens, and the fact

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that he is doing it at such a great consistentlevel.
You brought up the point that his stats, he'snumber one in so many different categories.
It's a joke.
Tiger was never that.
So it is pretty cool to see all of that.
Now we're gonna do a little bit of a rapid firehere where all the majors at this point are

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completed.
It's a very depressing time of the year formost golf fans that love all the majors.
We got the FedEx Cup coming up.
I gotta always remind myself FedEx Cup'scoming, gonna have the playoffs.
Each year, it gets a little bit—I get a littlebit more into it, I'll say.
Where years like prior, I really didn't give ashit about the FedEx Cup, especially when

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starting this podcast.
But we also have the Ryder Cup coming up.
So that's gonna be the big one to look forwardto now.
But all the majors are completed.
Which major this year was your favorite, Brent?
I think the U.S.
Open was my favorite for sure, without a doubt.
The sheer just magnitude of Oakmont, the factthat there was a wee bit of controversy that

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kinda showed that the USGA is off in a way.
We'll keep that for another time.
And then the fact that it was won by a guy thatcame out of absolutely nowhere, and it was won
by a guy that's been a true journeyman for adecade.
For me, it was the Masters with Rory.

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I think it was the most emotional thing, and itwas a roller coaster, man.
That's the craziest thing.
Like, was an absolute up and down, left andright.
You got shook throughout that.
And to me, that's a hell of a storyline with itbeing the final major of the Grand Slam.
You know, was the one that Rory wanted theabsolute most out of any golf tournament and he

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finally gets it done, but in a way that wasjust so ridiculous.
Like, when you think about that, it's like,dude, he choked multiple times, but that
grittiness to just keep, like, gotten it outand not going away.
Like, there were three, four times in the firstround and the final round that it's like, oh,

(53:44):
he's done.
Like, he's gonna absolutely just collapse rightnow, and he never did.
Like, that is mental fortitude right there.
So to me, my favorite major was the Masterswith Rory.
Who had the best major win out of the four?
Yeah.
You can't, you can't take it away from Rory andthe Masters.

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As big as it was, obviously, for JJ, and we allknow JJ is unbelievable.
Obviously, Scottie's, this is what's kindaridiculous.
Right?
And this is why your point earlier about him,whether he's good for the PGA Tour or not, the
fact that we don't even look at his two wins,the PGA and the Open, because they were just

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sort of foregone conclusions, certainly by theend of Saturday.
But, you know, regardless of kind of theplaying around that the media did with the
Masters, certainly Jim Nantz on Sunday.
But simple fact of the matter is that Roryliterally went over a decade, well over a

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decade, after losing the Masters that, youknow, I think, like, second or third time he
lost it on Sunday, and then finally did itafter all that time is pretty incredible.
See, me and you flip-flopped here because Iwent JJ Spaun with the U.S.
Open.
I thought that was the best major championshipvictory.

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Playing Oakmont, just an absolute beast.
And then with the weather conditions that camein, and he led after the first day.
So it's like, and he's not a big-name guy.
Like, he's always kinda hung around in a lot oftournaments, but he's never really broken
through.
And to me, that was the best major win.

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Now the next one and actually, let's get tobefore we move on with this kind of rapid-fire
around all the majors being completed, Patrickbrings up a good point.
Oh, I brought up Brent Hobby first.
So, yeah, Rory's grand slam.
That final round was pretty epic.
Now with Patrick, the major schedule now sucks.
Wish the PGA was still in August.

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Couldn't agree more.
I couldn't agree
Yeah.
I mean, the whole oh, yeah.
The the this it was just re it's it was createdto to, you know, give you four majors in four
months, I think, or five months, whatever itended up being.
So yeah.
I mean, it's just yeah.

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And then, Tra, hopefully, we're both humanbecause we both had J.J.
as one of our answers there.
So Trott golfer said, if you don't say J.J.,are you even human?
Fair.
A really good point, Trott.
Really good point there.
Now, as we get further into this discussion,whose win was the most dominant out of the four

(56:33):
majors?
I mean, Scott so Scottie at the at the Openjust now.
I mean, the PGA was a little rough for him, Ithink, starting out, and he kinda had to grind
through a bit first couple couple three rounds.
And, obviously, by the end of Saturday, wekinda all knew it was over.
But, for Scottie, like, the whole time was justlike, yeah.

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I'm just gonna trend and trend and trend andthen plateau, and you guys aren't gonna catch
me.
I mean, to go bogey-free on Saturday, I don't Ithink he had one.
I don't even know if he had a bogey on Sunday.
But
Oh, he did.
So, I mean, but a phenomenal, phenomenalbecause it was bad weather, because it was The

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Open, not a tournament that he's played well inthe past, by the way.
And for him to go over there and just slap theliving daylights out of everybody, it was just
just makes it a little bit different.
So mine, it should have been Rory, first ofall, because he should have won the Masters by
five or six.
When you think about, like, the mini collapsesthroughout the week, it's just like, holy crap.

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Could have won this thing by 10.
He could have been Scottie Scheffler andfour-putted in the eighteenth.
Like, they should have been that way.
Rory played the absolute best out of anybodythat week in spurts.
Correct.
Right?
Then there were those horrible choking momentsthroughout.
So I I have to give it up to Scottie Scheffler,and I actually I put it as the PGA

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Championship.
Winning by five strokes there when everybodycollapsed coming down the stretch, which Quail
Hollow, that back nine, it gets pretty tough.
Definitely
does.
And so for Scottie just to play as consistentas he did coming down that final nine holes,
that to me was the most dominant victory.
Last question on this.

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Are you surprised a LIV golfer didn't win amajor this year?
No, not at all.
We saw what happened to Bryson last year atPinehurst.
We all know the many, many fairways that hemissed and how unbelievably lucky he got in the
fescue.
Anybody that's ever been around that golfcourse or played the U.S.

(58:53):
Open there knows that it's basically acrapshoot.
So the fact is that every single golf coursethis year was a true test of different parts of
the game, and I'm not surprised that theydidn't win a single one.
Yeah.
To me
Bryson's their only
The answer is no.

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I am not surprised because realistically, in mymind, they have three guys right now that can
win a major.
They've got Bryson, they've got Tyrrell Hatton,and they've got Jon Rahm.
Those are the three guys where Tyrrell Hattonwas close in two
Played great.
You had Bryson who is still an option, and thenJon Rahm could have won the PGA Championship if

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he didn't collapse, right?
He was right there, made that huge run, got toeven with Scottie Scheffler.
But those three are the only three.
And when you put three guys up against howevermany guys there are in the field, it's like,
yeah, that's gonna be tough for LIV Golf.
And by the way, it does hurt their brand.

(01:00:00):
Like, I don't care what anybody says, it hurtstheir brand because they want to be known as
the best golfers in the world.
You can't take over a PGA Tour as the main golfcircuit if you don't have multiple victories
every single year.
Yeah.

(01:00:20):
I mean, it's just a it's just a it's a numbersgame.
Bottom line is is the the best players arecompeting against the best players more often.
And, I mean, nobody's gonna beat Scottieanyways, but, thankfully I mean, I love Tyrone.
He's he's fantastic.
Obviously, Jon's an unbelievable player.

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So happy to see him find some form.
But everybody else, yeah, guys.
I mean, it's just gonna go downhill.
Alright.
Let's, let's spend one minute talking aboutDylan Brack.
Go ahead and fill me in on this kid.
So but nothing super crazy.

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He won pre-qual at 17 years old, was one shotaway from getting a full Latin card at 18, has
several high-level junior slash amateur eventsunder his belt.
But long story short, he hits it as far as Ido.

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Hits a four-yard cut from the right side of thegolf ball, not the correct side, but the right
side.
In other words, he's
And at 19 years old, he has more support behindhim than I think I've ever seen.
But he's also unbelievably mature.
And for some reason, colleges just haven'tnoticed him for whatever reason.

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But he's gonna be one of those guys that kindadoes it his own way.
Where does he play out?
So he's out of the Riverside area, so GooseCreek.
We're gonna get him to join Bear Creek,probably within the next month.
But, yeah, he's he's But you
sound like his manager over here.
Well, I'm working with him, but, yeah, he'sspecial.

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And I don't think I've ever seen—we playedtogether in the Monday qualifier in Colorado.
And it's literally just a matter of time withhim rather than, you know, having all of these
different parts of his game.
You know, there's guys like, you know, MichaelBlock's son, Dylan Block, that he's a great
player, but doesn't necessarily have the "it"factor, you know, and that doesn't have

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anything to do with what you're doing on thegolf course.
It's about your emotional management.
So, he's got it, and we'll see how far he cango.
That's awesome.
And, really last thing here, Brent.
Bobby wants to know, does Bryson's contract endthis year or next?
Does he come back?
Do the Saudis throw $500 million to retain him?
So here's the scoop.

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So number one, I came out with all of thisinformation months back.
The one thing that I would say that I did nothave full clarity on is when his contract ends.
And ever since then, I have heard from severalpeople that it ends in the middle of the season

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next year.
So that's where it's still dead on in terms ofdoes he come back to the PGA Tour next year.
He was having conversations with PGA Tourofficials.
Interesting.
So that should tell you that he is looking atit as an option to come back.
And here's the thing, if the Saudis don't payhim, which he even brought up.

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Like, the more and more that when I put thatout there and it went viral on Twitter, all of
a sudden, the more we've gotten away from that,all of a sudden Bryson has started opening up a
little bit more around, you know, yeah, I'mgonna have more talks with them in regards to

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the contract and, you know, I know my worth andblah blah blah.
And he's saying all the right thingspolitically so to speak with them not to get
too far like into it with them to be like, hey,you need to pay me or else I'm gone.
But that's kind of the conversation where hedid ask for a lot of money back in I forget the

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exact timing now.
I haven't really thought about this in a while.
But it was like in January, February to when hemet with them and they turned down his
extension.
He wanted in the range of, gosh, I don't evenremember the number at this point because I'm
so kinda I've distanced myself from all of thatinformation even though having conversations

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with multiple people in regards to the contractbecause that one still interests me as to when
it comes due.
And that's the thing.
He says that even Bryson said it ends in 2026.
So nobody is stating when in 2026.
Interesting.
Because there are guys whose contracts haveended in the middle of the year.
So to me, everything with Bryson points towardswhat would be better for his brand.

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To stay on LIV or to be on the PGA Tour.
And I do believe that, yes, he is very investedin LIV as long as they pay him a lot of money
to spend.
Have anything to do with anything other thanthe money.
I think what's gonna be interesting to see whathappens in general for a lot of these guys.
If they do want to come back, does it look likethey, you know, have to create their own, you

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know, their own special category to, you know,earn X number of points or what this all looks
like?
And I just wanna add one thing as far as wherethe PGA Tour is at.
Jay Monahan did not step down as thecommissioner.
He just stepped down as the CEO of thefor-profit business.
So there is nothing that's changing as far asthe regulations are concerned, as of yet.

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And I haven't heard or seen anything to thinkthat there was gonna be this crazy deal where
they offer, you know, these guys their cardsback or they lift their suspensions.
Well, and you gotta remember the equity side.
Right?
The PGA Tour started giving out equity toplayers, so that would possibly be something

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that Bryson would want in coming back to thePGA Tour.
And is that something they'd be willing to doin order to just bring back one player?
And that's where this whole thing will getreally, really interesting as we move forward
because I'm telling you, I don't wanna go downthat path again because of how many people just

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like shit all over the information.
It doesn't matter at
the end. It
It is what it is.
Well, you're gonna see that it's all factual,like, and I shouldn't say factual because
there's always that chance that something'sgonna happen, but it is everything that I heard
from trusted sources that gave me all of thatinformation.

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And I still believe that Bryson absolutelylooked at a pathway back.
Brooks Koepka is coming back to the PGA Tour.
Like, this is going to be a very telling yearas we move into 2026 because guys like Koepka
are gonna wanna come back.
He's stated it so many times, and that's what'shilarious is that he's had to defend himself,

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and it's more so to the media at LIV eventsthat he's had to sit there and be like, I
haven't said anything to you guys, the media.
But Fred Couples said something.
He was talking about it at the TGL event thathe was at to a lot of people.
So obviously, he just doesn't want the media tobe asking him those questions while he's still

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technically under contract with the Saudis.
So a lot of stuff can happen there.
But I just find it very there's gonna be a lotof drama in 2026 around all of this, and I
think we'll get a lot more clarity.
And I don't think anything is set in stone, butI do see that as long as there's pathways for
these guys to come back and get some equity tocome back to the PGA Tour.

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Now, will the PGA Tour players allow this totake place?
That's the other side.
I think there's I think honestly, aftereverything that Scottie's done, I think they're
gonna be like, yeah, guys.
Come on back.
The more, the better.
Right?
Yeah.
Just the better players.
And it's like, please, somebody come and beatthis guy because we have

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And I love the fact that, like, ten minutesago, we could still see you clearly, Brent, and
now it's like you're in the Blair WitchProject.
Perfect.
Absolutely phenomenal stuff.
Yeah.
It literally looks like the Blair WitchProject.
You're about to disappear.
So stay safe over there.
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Actually, hang on a second.
I can't.
Let me see if I can
That's close.
They're kinda close.
Hang on.
We're we're we're gonna get there.
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starts in the fall.
Sorry.
I think that is a sign to wrap it up.
So without further ado, folks, peace out.
A-Town down.
I'm gonna hopefully catch my breath, but thankyou, everybody.