October 31, 2025 • 44 mins
Matt Cook welcomes Marty Sanchez to discuss the Grass League and Marty's transition from college golfer to professional. They delve into insights gained from caddying and the league's structure, exploring its challenges and Marty's role within it. Marty shares his experience as the face of DevRow's High Country Collection, emphasizing vulnerability and brand-building in golf. The episode highlights the importance of collaboration, emotional expression, and composure on the course. Marty discusses his favorite outfits from the collection, Devereux Golf's mission, and shares personal stories. The conversation covers learning from setbacks, future plans, and enhancing Marty's online presence, with closing thoughts and appreciation.
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Now, Silverleaf, and certainly the owner ofSilverleaf also has a team within the Grass
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League.
So I always find it curious because Glenney'son Phoenix United.
You know, we've got you over with the LA Roses.
Right?
And then see, I don't I didn't follow it asmuch between the Grass League open to the Goat
Hill Park.
Mhmm.
And all of a sudden, I'm like, hang on, werethere trades?
Were there things that Yeah.
Went on that I don't know about?
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Yeah.
So I mean, the I mean, the Grass League is itis the most unique, like, golf competition
sphere that I've ever been in.
And they're doing such an incredible job.
And, you know, like I said, with, like, gettingguys like Ben at Silverleaf involved, the
Phoenix United people have a massive presence,Dave Roberts with my team.
Yeah.
Wyndham Clark.
I mean, there's just so much there's so manyeyes on that all the people associated with it
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are bringing to it.
And, you know, by and large, it's growing thegame like nothing else that I've seen.
And also, if you start to get home fieldadvantage is based on, hey, this team is
playing out of this golf course, you know, yougot this team playing out of that one.
Mhmm.
Because we were talking about it too, thenGlenney for instance knows that golf course so
dang well because where the Grass League takesplace, that grass clippings usually for the
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main event.
With that, he runs a skins game every Wednesdaynight.
He's dialed.
Absolutely dialed.
It's unbelievable.
But it's different.
Right?
I mean, yes, it's a team aspect, but it'spar-three golf.
And on top of that and I what's funny is beforethe Grass League even came out on this podcast,
I was talking about different ways that thegame of golf can grow and expand because I
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didn't love necessarily what LIV Golf, liketheir structure and setup.
Had nothing to do with the money.
Mhmm.
Like, I don't care where you get money from inorder to create a business and so forth.
Like, I feel like that should be separated, butthat being said, I love the idea of team golf.
Yeah.
Like, love that part of it.
And I was like, man, it'd be really cool ifthey built stadiums around par-three golf
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courses.
Yeah.
And sure enough, it's kinda leading in thatdirection, which is really cool.
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
And on today's episode, we've got an amazingguest for all of you.
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Today, I am joined by Grass League sensation,standout.
I mean, you were one of the guys to where whenI was out there walking around, I saw you.
I saw you're playing well, and I'm like, oh,shit.
I'm like, dude, how did this all come about?
So we're gonna get into a lot of that, but he'salso the face.
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And when I say the face, I mean the face of theDevereux Golf collection that just dropped,
which is the High Country collection.
Folks, we've got Marty Sanchez with us.
How are you, man?
Doing well.
Appreciate you having me on.
I'm super excited for this and ready to getgoing.
Awesome.
Well, we've gotta start with your golfingjourney because, you know, I don't know a whole
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lot about you, which I said, I wanna get toknow you on this episode and so that our
audience can get to know you as well.
Mhmm.
But take me through kinda where did golf startfor you?
Yeah.
So golf started for me in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
And when I first started playing, it was kindasomething I would just do with my dad and my
grandpa to get out and have some fun with them.
And then, you know, it kind of transitionedinto something I was interested in as I got
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into high school and junior high.
I made the team as an eighth grader and, youknow, kinda saw myself improving steadily and
won state my sophomore year.
Wow.
Of high school, which was kind of an unexpectedexperience.
And that was kind of when I knew I wanted toplay professionally.
I would say that I actually kinda felt like itwas actually possible when I got to college.
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But yeah, journey started in Santa Fe and yeah,growing up watching my dad play golf and
watching my grandpa play golf and kindalearning from them organically.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
I mean, that's a quick rise, right, from whenyou started?
Yeah.
To then winning state as a sophomore?
Yeah.
No.
And, I mean, it's, you know, it's so funnybecause I grew up and, you know, I was big into
basketball kinda like everybody in New Mexicois and, you know, wasn't growing and, you know,
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all that.
But I that's what I wanted to do originally wasplay basketball.
And, you know, golf kinda just took a hold overme, and that was yeah.
I I'm laughing because I have a very similarnow I didn't make the leap golf wise until
junior and then really my senior year in termsof golf performance because I started 13,
started late, and then ended up getting to apoint to where, you know, I I just became
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obsessed with the game.
Yeah.
That's kinda how
it is.
Then from there, we ended up winning state mysenior year, but it really didn't click until
junior year, I feel like.
At least playing kinda under some pressure.
Oh, 100%.
Now basketball was also my favorite sport.
I loved it, and I'm like, man, I'm 5 foot 11, 6foot-ish, like, on a good day.
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Mhmm.
And I'm like, and I'm white.
Okay?
Probably not going to the NBA, and I wanted toplay professional sports.
So golf became that avenue for me.
So what led so from high school, obviously youwin state as a sophomore getting up there in
terms of kind of, let's say performance andplay.
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Yeah.
Where'd you end up going to school?
So I started off at a small school in Missouricalled William Woods.
Wasn't a great fit for me and didn't really domuch good over there golf-wise.
And then got in touch with the head golf coachat New Mexico Junior College who recruited me a
bunch out of high school.
And I just, you know, didn't really wanna dothe junior college route because I didn't know
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a whole lot about it.
So once I left William Woods in Missouri andtransferred over to New Mexico Junior College,
I was just in such a much better headspace.
I was a little bit closer to home, which, youknow, that shouldn't really be that big of a
deal, but for me, it was.
And the golf coach there, his name was JamesRoss Black.
I mean, he really, really helped me out maturementally, taught me how to practice, and then
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just overall just kind of made my whole golfexperience fun as I improved.
And, you know, for me, I think finding fun inpractice is kind of how you're gonna get
better.
And since I was able to do that, it made goingthrough the lulls that much easier just because
I had something to fall back on and know thatit's all just part of the process.
And, yeah, I would say really just college iskind of when everything started or that
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sophomore year of college is when everythingstarted matriculating into, like, yeah, I think
I can do this full time, and I think I can besuccessful at it.
You said something really, really importantthere, which is the process.
Right?
And that's something you don't learn rightaway.
It's like this growth.
Mhmm.
And then all of a sudden, you have your firstturmoil.
Yeah.
In golf and really, I always think of golf as amirror of life.
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And until you start to get to some of thosebumps in the road, you really don't know.
You think it's just gonna be that rise.
And it sounds like from that point, once youstarted to figure out, okay, this part of the
process is what I need to kinda learn andexperience in order to grow even further,
where'd you go after college?
So after New Mexico Junior College, I actuallywent to West Texas A&M and finished up over
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there.
Didn't really do anything special.
You know, I kept getting better, but likeplaying-wise, I didn't really play all that
great.
And I think that that was more because I wascommitting to, you know, making some changes as
I transitioned into turning professional.
So after my college was over, I stayed amateurfor, I guess another six, seven months.
And kind of traveled around, got comfortabletraveling on my own, booking all my travel
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arrangements.
Because you know when you're in college,everything is done for you and it's really,
really easy.
And you know, I played Division II golf, so Ihad no chance of PGA Tour U.
So, you know, I kind of learned how to doeverything on my own, which is great.
I think it made me a lot tougher and it youknow, golf, you're on an island out there.
Right?
So if you can't be comfortable being byyourself and doing the grind by yourself, then
it's gonna be a really tough road for you.
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But, yeah, stayed an amateur for, like I said,six, seven months and then turned professional.
First event was New Mexico Open, made the cutin that and, you know, then kind of immediately
started getting into like how toughprofessional golf is.
And, you know, it's your welcome to the showmoment.
I played with Charlie Beljan in an Outlaw Tourevent.
It was the first time I was ever in the lastgroup of a professional event.
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And god, I just got dorked by them.
But it was a great experience, like getting towatch how Jimmy Gunn was also in the group as
So I got to see see
Jimmy Gunn and Charlie Beljan, guys whoprobably won, what, 100 professional events
between the two of them.
I was able to learn exactly how they handlethings and how they navigate, like how much
time you actually have to put together a round.
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You know, because like when you're early,you're used to playing junior events that are a
day, amateur events that are two days.
You know, it's you just kinda learn how to bywatching these people, like, how it's done, if
that makes sense.
It really does.
Yeah.
I mean, that's one of the best ways to learn.
Right?
Is by playing with better players and keepingyour attitude.
Especially under pressure.
Mhmm.
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I mean, talk to us a little bit because I'vetalked a lot about the mindset of
a golfer.
Right?
And it's a different ballgame.
A lot of people are like, tournament golf iscompletely different.
Yeah.
Than going out and playing golf with yourbuddies because there's a lot of sofa pundits
out there who sit on their couch, watchprofessional golf, and they've got a lot of
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opinions about it.
Right?
Absolutely.
Talk to us about how did you deal with thepressure once you got into that position, and
what did you learn from that first time?
So, you know, I feel like in general with golf,I was kind of a late bloomer.
Like, I had some success in New Mexico, youknow, with my age demographic.
But, you know, once I got to college andstarted getting my ass kicked, I really, you
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know, had motivation to improve.
So, you know, I'd say like some of the stuffthat worked for me was just like, I don't want
to ever say like being okay with losing, butjust knowing how much more time you have after
this event.
I mean, it's not over, right?
You have so many more events down the frontline, and you can look at them one of two ways.
You can look at it like, damn, I suck.
I'm getting my ass kicked every week.
Or you're like, man, I'm getting my ass kickedevery week.
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I need to do something different to be better.
And I think that that's something I was reallygood at was finding, like, the positives
through the or, like, through the defeats and,you know, just kind of recalibrating myself as
each event went on.
And then, you know, competition is like myfavorite part about golf.
So like the practicing and all that, it's allpart of the grind leading up to exactly what
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I'm most excited for.
So I think for me, handling the pressure isjust like, dude, you're here.
Like you're so fortunate to be in thissituation.
You're so good at golf.
Let's enjoy some of what you have going on.
And before I won my first professional event,the Las Vegas Open, the week before, I missed
qualifying for the Arizona Open.
Shot 74 at Moon Valley, had just been caddyingall year at Whisper Rock at the time and, you
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know, was not happy with how I played overthere.
And then literally rolled into the Las VegasOpen four days afterward.
And, you know, I'm like, you know what?
You were just caddying for the last six monthspretty much every day.
You haven't competed.
Let's just enjoy coming out here and doing whatyou love and compete.
And then something clicked, and ever sincethen, I just feel like I've been a really good
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competitor ever since I felt like golf wasn'tas big a part of my life as I wanted it to be
through the caddying.
Sure.
So
And you still caddy now, right?
You were telling me right before we came onthat over at Silverleaf, which is not a bad
gig.
Not at all.
I used to caddy over there in college.
Yep.
And certainly, we know Mike Glennie.
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Good man.
Mutual friend.
And sure enough, he caddies over there.
So you guys got a good little caddy shack, soto speak.
Oh, gosh.
I mean, honestly, I would put our caddy shackat Silverleaf up against any caddy shack in the
country.
Not only in terms of playing ability, we have alot of sticks out there.
And we're just also great.
Like, I feel like everybody there is greatpeople.
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And we're lucky enough to be around an amazingmembership as much as we are and get to hang
out with some really cool people with somereally cool stories that, you know, live some
incredible lives.
So it's fun to have kind of a peek into thatworld as well.
And it's humbling.
It's very humbling, and it makes you wanna workharder.
I love that.
But it keeps you around the game, right?
Absolutely.
Keeps you constantly thinking about the littlethings.
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Mhmm.
How the green breaks, different shots thatplayers need to
all the time too.
When I'm, like, telling people or, like,helping people, I'm like, damn, I haven't
thought about that in a minute.
Like, you know, just simple stuff like that.
But you're 100% right.
Like, even though I'm working a bunch, I'mstill around golf and, like, practicing my
green reading and, you know, practicing, like,how I rake a bunker, just random stuff like
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that.
It's important
for is important.
Always rake towards the target.
That is correct.
That's hilarious you say that because one ofthe co-hosts that I had for a while was Bobby
Brown, who used to caddy for Dustin Johnsonduring all the turmoil and everything.
So he had some stories.
But one of his big things was, even for PGATour caddies, was like, rake the bunker
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correctly.
Yeah.
Just fix your ball marks and rake the bunkersthe right way.
Exactly.
So you said that, and all of a sudden I'm likehearing his voice in my ear.
I'm like, oh, yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
People don't know how to rake bunkers properly.
No.
And it's funny too because there are times whenthe membership is so amazing out there and then
they're trying to help me because they see I'mworking really hard and they'll rake the
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bunkers and not irritating me.
Irritates me is the wrong word.
But I'm like, oh no, guys, I got it.
Don't worry.
Mainly just because of my OCD.
Yeah.
I was about to say, your OCD, just like, oh, Igotta go fix it.
Yeah.
Golf OCD is really the only OCD I have.
It's golf related.
That is awesome.
Now, Silverleaf, and certainly the owner ofSilverleaf also has a team within the Grass
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League.
So I always find it curious because Glenys ison Phoenix United.
You know, we've got you over with the LA Roses.
Right?
And then see, I don't I didn't follow it asmuch between the Grass League Open to the Goat
Hill Park.
Mhmm.
And all of a sudden, I'm like, hang on.
Were there trades?
Were there things that went on that I don'tknow about?
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Yeah.
So I mean, the Grass League is it is the mostunique, like, golf competition sphere that I've
ever been in.
And they're doing such an incredible job.
And, you know, like I said, with, like, gettingguys like Ben at Silverleaf involved, the
Phoenix United people have a massive presence,Dave Roberts with my team, Wyndham Clark.
I mean, there's just so many eyes on that allthe people associated with it are bringing to
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it.
And, you know, by and large, it's growing thegame like nothing else that I've seen.
Well, and it's different, right?
I mean, yes, it's a team aspect, but it's par-3golf.
And on top of that, what's funny is before theGrass League even came out, this podcast was
talking about different ways that the game ofgolf can grow and expand because I didn't love
necessarily what LIV Golf, like, theirstructure and setup.
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Had nothing to do with the money.
Mhmm.
Like, I don't care where you get money from inorder to create a business and so forth.
Like, I feel like that should be separated.
But that being said, didn't love the, like, Ilove the idea of team golf.
Yeah.
Like, love that part of it.
I was like, man, it'd be really cool if theybuilt stadiums around par-3 golf courses.
Yeah.
And sure enough, it's kinda leading in thatdirection, which is really cool.
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Also, if you start to get home field advantagesbased on, hey, this team is playing out of this
golf course.
You know, you got this team playing out of thatone.
Mhmm.
Because we were talking about it too.
Then Glennie, for instance, knows that golfcourse so dang well because where the Grass
League takes place is at Grass Clippingsusually for the main event.
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And with that, he runs a skins game everyWednesday night.
He's dialed.
Absolutely dialed.
It's unbelievable.
So, Glennie, before he was on United, heactually caddied for me and my partner in the
first Grass League event I ever played in.
That was the one in December, so the big one.
And it was me, one of my best friends, collegeteammate of mine, Braxton Sides.
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And, you know, we were looking I was trying tofigure out who, you know, to have caddy for me.
I was like,
I'm gonna ask Glennie.
And fortunately enough, Glennie was 100% in,and that guy is a savant.
I think I told you earlier that guy hasforgotten more about that golf course than most
people will ever know.
He's 100% accurate.
Yeah.
That guy's reading the that guy could read thegreens out there without the lights.
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I mean, it's beyond impressive.
And I gotta say too, like, he got so dialed in.
I played a golf round with him before his firstGrass League event with Phoenix United, and he
was so dialed to where he's like, oh, I gottahit a cut into this one because of that hump
right there.
Oh, I need to dead arm this one so that itdoesn't spin back off the green.
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Like, he's talking through all of these shotsbefore he's hit.
And, you know, in Grass League, we actually hadto play with one ball.
On Wednesdays, there's multiple people, Glennieincluded that on, like, certain holes out
there.
They know the course so that they change ballsbecause of how receptive they are.
So like the tournament number 12, the actualnumber three Yep.
Three.
That green I mean
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That green's
diabolical, right?
So second to last event in April that I played,I was paired with one of The Lads was my
partner.
Oh, yeah.
Electric guy.
And we get paired with Garrett Clark and MattKendrick.
And we get to that hole.
And, you know, we're not playing great, butwe're hanging in there.
But that's like a hole that makes or breaksyou.
And the Good Good guys were kinda hanging inthere with us and, you know, we hit a great
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shot on on that hole and the Good Good guysmade five.
And they had to make a putt to make five.
So, you know, that when the course is trickedout, the greens are that green is
extraordinarily soft compared to the rest ofthem, and the greens are quick.
I mean, you can make a big number out there ona 70-yard hole.
In a two-man scramble.
So, like, people don't understand how difficultand diabolical it gets
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Mhmm.
When they cut it down and shave those greensdown as much as they do.
Throw a little April wind in there too.
I mean, that that was some of the mostchallenging, like, golf shots that I have had
to hit under the gun was the last event atGrass Clippings because it was so windy and the
greens were so fast.
And, you know, we were up there in the mix ofit too.
And, you know, I you're the added scramblething, you're, like, trying not to let your
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partner down, and you're trying to keep thevibes high.
So there's, like, more pressure than, like, Ithink a lot of the average golfers might
understand out there, which is it's it'sdefinitely pressure packed.
It definitely is.
And, folks, you can watch these on Peacock, bythe way.
And then I know the Goat Hill, they ended updoing a YouTube series on it, so you can go
catch that in addition to it.
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But I do wanna take a step back Yeah.
Because I got too excited.
We jumped right into the Grass League, and I'mjust like, man, I'm really getting into the
entire conversation.
But let's chat real quick about how you gotinto the Grass League.
It's incredibly lucky.
When it kind of started matriculating in, let'ssay, October 2024, I've been fortunate enough
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to caddy for Jimmy and Jay Kolsun a coupletimes out at Silverleaf.
And, you know, I feel like I had really goodrelationships with them.
And, you know, I reached out to them and I waslike, hey, this looks like so much fun.
I would love to get involved.
I'm not really playing in anythingprofessionally right now just because finances,
caddying, a bunch, and just other life stuff.
And I thought this would be a great way for meto stay competitive and still, you know, be
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involved in golf.
And
So they real quick.
They are the founders along with Todd Dobsonwho
TD.
Will will will TD.
We we won't out him on this episode.
Yeah.
That may or may not be his real name.
That's all I'm gonna say.
We didn't know what it does.
Yeah.
But they are the founders of the GrassClippings and Grass League.
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Right?
So continue.
I reached out to Jimmy, and Jimmy put me intouch with Mitch McCarthy, the GM of the Roses.
And we had a couple of conversations, and, youknow, they took a chance on me.
And I ended up playing really well in theevents and, you know, it kind of turned into
what it is now.
And I couldn't be happier or more thankful forthe opportunity to get out there and, you know,
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compete and be involved in this because, like Isaid before, this is changing golf and growing
golf in a way that I don't think anything elseis.
And, you know, to be involved in something likethat, especially as much as I love golf, it's
something I'm very proud of.
Now I could be completely off in this.
Yeah.
But for some reason, I remember talking withTodd in regards to, like, before the Grass
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League Open, and he was talking about we did apodcast with him over there at Grass Clippings.
And sure enough, we were talking about, and Ican't remember if this was you or not, but were
you an alternate that got in with the LA Roses?
So for the April 1, I wasn't on the Itechnically wasn't going to play.
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Yeah.
And then Ryan Ruffels hurt his wrist.
That's what it was.
Yeah.
Then I got a call-up.
And that I think really improved my status withthe team.
Oh my god, you played awesome.
I played great.
Yeah, your partner let you down.
I'm kidding.
No, no.
The partner had a hole-in-one during thatthing.
It was the most electric moment of my playingcareer.
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I was shocked it went in, and just the factthat it happened under the lights during the
event was wild.
I'd never expect anything like that to happen.
But, yeah, I played really well.
My team has been the low finisher in everyevent with the Roses so far.
You know, I feel again, I'm
so proud of becoming one of the top guys.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
Where I feel like Glennie's been on kind ofthat same rise where unknown all of a sudden
gets a tryout with Phoenix United, playsextremely well, starts beating all the guys on
the team, and all of a sudden they're like,hey, you're our number one guy.
People just don't know ball because if theyknow ball, Glennie should have been somebody
should have picked Glennie.
From day one.
Somebody should have picked Glennie also.
I mean, if you like I said, that guy has playedmore rounds there than any participant.
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And, yeah, I was trying to see the fact that Ihad him as a caddy is out of pocket.
Really is.
Truthfully.
That is that is nuts.
Love seeing your rise and everything, but it'sgone a step further now.
Yep.
Beyond the grass league because you are theface right now of the High Country Collection
from DevRow that they just dropped.
This is their fall collection, folks.
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So with that said, as we get into thisconversation, how did this come about?
I saw Burt post something on Instagram, and Ireached out to him.
Quick backstory.
I've ever I've kinda jumped into a little bitof the modeling stuff with Miura originally.
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Done some stuff with Asher.
Done some other stuff with other various golfcompanies.
And then, you know, saw like I said, I saw Burtpost the thing on Instagram.
Reached out and yeah.
Which, by the way, I have seen you all oversocial media for years.
And I'm just like, dude, who is this guy?
And luckily enough, I get to sit here and havethis conversation with you, which is awesome.
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With this High Country collection, normally,like, they'll get a group of people together.
They're just like, no, dude.
You're the guy.
We're going full in with
Like I said, I am honored.
I never thought of myself as a model when Istarted doing this, but, you know, everybody
tells me I'm good at it, which is nice.
Oh, killed it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
I hear I'm good at it for sure.
But yeah, and then just I really do enjoy itbecause I get to meet a bunch of people.
I get to learn something about stuff I don'tknow anything about, but I'm interested in,
like photography.
You know, I think it's fun getting to work withall these people.
I mean, it really is.
Jordy, who I've done other photoshoots with, hewas the main guy for our photoshoot up in
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Flagstaff for the High Country.
And getting to work with Jordy is magic, man.
That guy is awesome.
He makes me look so much better than I actuallylook in person.
It's unbelievable.
I gotta no.
I'm kidding.
I'll get his number.
I'll get you his number.
Yeah.
I'm like, shit.
I need him right now.
Can we get him over here?
So with the High Country collection, did youknow that you were going to be the sole guy
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behind it?
Like, show up day one, you're like, where'severybody else?
Yeah.
Well, it wasn't kinda, you know, like I said,I've always taken sort of an organic approach
because I'm so out of my, like, naturalelement.
So I just kinda got there.
It was what it was, and then I kinda had torock with it.
And like I said, that's a lot of attention onme, which kinda makes it a little awkward at
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times.
But it's flattering for sure.
It's that rise, man.
Yeah.
And it's cool to see where you're at right nowwith this acceleration, let's call it.
Because yeah.
Certainly getting your opportunity in the grassleague, being able to play and perform at that
level.
Obviously, like you said, you were the low teamfor your team
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Yep.
At every event so far, which is, I mean, atestament to you.
Yeah.
And really cool to see now you're starting toget that limelight.
Right?
To where it's like, hey, you know, there's youmight wanna piggyback off of some
of these things
to where, like, this could lead into and
I couldn't agree more with that.
And then, you know, honestly, it's stuff that Iyou know, when I was actually playing, I wish I
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put myself out there a little bit more because,you know, the exposure is incredible, number
one.
And then number two, it's also like it's yourbrand.
Right?
So you're if the more you're putting yourselfout there and the more you're vulnerable in
these types of situations, I feel like it'snumber one, it's gonna make you tougher just as
a person in general, but also it's all part ofgolf.
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I mean, it's like you get to a certain pointplaying professionally, and it's not just
playing golf.
It's not just practice.
You gotta make sure your finances are in order.
You gotta make sure your personal life is inorder.
And then also having these types ofopportunities that I have is just bonus points.
And I'm trying to make the best of everysituation that gets put in front of me and say
no like almost never to opportunities.
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And, you know, hopefully, you know, more goodstuff keeps happening for me.
Yeah.
And I talked to Terrence Daniels who, yeah, youwere mentioning just did a Cactus Club on with
you as the main focus and subject.
And with that, he did mention to me, or atleast I saw from him, that he said it couldn't
happen to a greater guy, like, this rise andeverything.
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So and I can already tell.
Just in meeting you today and getting to knowyou even a bit more through the podcast, I'm
just like, wow.
You're a dude that I would 100% go out, have adrink with, and go—I mean, I'm not drinking
right now, but that being said, just somebodycool to hang out with.
It's really nice because you do get a lot ofegos in the game of golf.
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Right?
And a lot of people, it's off-putting where,you know, they're all about themselves.
And,
you know, early on when I came out of collegeand played mini tour golf and so forth, I was
all to myself because I was super competitive.
Yeah.
Same.
Like, I didn't take advantage of kinda gettingto know other guys and everything.
And that's why, like, you ask people that Iprobably played with, and they're like, yeah.
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I don't know who he
is.
Yeah.
And, you know, it's like for me, I like I said,I kinda had a slow, like, rise, like, playing.
So, you know, I I would cling to, you know,people I grew up with.
Sam Saunders is a big he helped me get so muchbetter just because of practicing with him and
playing a bunch of them.
He kicked my ass all the time.
So, you know, like, again, just trying to learnfrom everybody I'm around really kinda I feel
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like probably did some good stuff forpersonality wise because I'm putting myself out
there a little bit more and, like, askingquestions to people I'm competing against,
which, you know, historically, had never donebefore just because I wanted to beat everybody
so bad.
But, yeah, and, you know, to the ego thing ingolf, it is like there is a lot of egos.
And, you know, with that being said, I dothink, like, you kinda have to have, like, a
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little bit of selfishness.
But I've always loved being around people, soit's never been like, oh, my I'm way more
important than this guy.
You know?
It's like, I wanna help people playing that I'mcompeting against too.
If they come up and ask, you know, for help, Iwould love to help.
Yeah.
And, you know, I it's fortunately enough,that's been reciprocated to me.
So, you know, I've the ego thing, I guess, forme, it just never, like, was all that outward.
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It was just more, like, internal, like, mewanting to beat everybody but realizing, like,
hey.
I still have a lot to learn from these peopletoo.
Yeah.
And, yeah, it kinda I guess that's
No.
It's awesome because, again, like I said, theego thing for a lot of these guys is closed
off.
They don't—it's almost like if they becomevulnerable, they're gonna give up something.
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It's like, man, the game of golf is way biggerthan that. All
All of it really gatekeeping.
I mean, that's the best word for it.
Yeah.
No.
Seriously.
And I, you know, fortunately enough, prettymuch everybody I've ever asked for help has
been super helpful.
And, you know, I do think that's something Ilearned early is never be afraid to ask for
help, right?
And since I did learn that early, I kind of putpeople on the spot to say no, which is a hard
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thing to do too, especially if you'recompletely vulnerable.
Like, hey, you're so good at this, I wouldreally love to learn how to get better at it
too.
So, you know, I think that as any golfergrowing up, just never be afraid to ask for
help is a really good place to start.
I think that's a hell of an advice for anybodylistening.
Yeah.
Because that right there, yeah.
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I didn't take enough advantage of that—of justasking people for help.
And I'm sure there's a lot of kids out there, alot of junior golfers out there that really
could use that tip.
Because as they try to grind it out and try toget to the next levels of competition, you have
to learn from other people.
Yeah.
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You do.
And like I said earlier too, it's like golf,you're on an island when you're out there
competing, but that's only when you're outthere competing.
Like, anytime else, I mean, golf is kind of,you know, a collaborative experience, you know,
because, I mean, the vast majority of peopleare, you know, have somebody they go to for
help, somebody they talk to about, you know,weightlifting and exercise, another person they
talk to about the mental aspect.
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So, you know, it's like, why do we have allthese people?
Why not ask, like, other people that are doingthe same thing that you're doing that are
better at something than you are?
You know?
One thing I remember specifically when I was,this is, like, 2023.
It was right before Q-School.
And I read this article that is about PrestonSummerhays, who I've been fortunate enough to
caddie for at Silverleaf.
Amazing kid.
Tons of talent.
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He's definitely gonna be on the PGA Tour atsome point.
But his coach was talking about, like, howPreston is, like, outwardly, like, emotional,
like, when good things are going on.
And he's talking about how that, like,translates into, like, more good stuff while
he's playing.
And I'm like, damn, I don't do any of thatoutward emotion stuff.
And I'm still, like, not great at it, but I'm,like, doing it more and more now.
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And it does pump me up.
It carries me on to other stuff.
So, you know, just like even somebody youngerthan you or, you know, somebody you don't even
compete against, you can learn something fromthose types of experiences and just reading
too.
So, yeah, just collaborate.
You know, golf is too hard to not learn fromother people.
It's so true.
It is the hardest sport in the world.
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Yeah.
I work with a sports psychologist, Dr.
Lee Piccarello, and we talk all the time.
So every week, we have a call to where whetherit's business, sports, and so forth.
And now it's actually somewhat leaking into thepodcast.
And I said I'm gonna have him on an episodebecause we need to dive in.
But one of the last episodes I did was aroundthe golfer mindset where, you know, a lot of
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people and especially the media around golf tryto suppress emotion.
Yeah.
It's like, look at Ludvig Åberg.
It's that is what everybody should be doing outthere showing no emotion whatsoever.
And he was like, that's completely the wrongthing to do because you need that connection.
Yeah.
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You need the connection to the fans, theaudience, and so forth.
And to show that emotion, I started thinking,I'm like, wow.
When I'm on the golf course, oftentimes, like,I suppress so much.
And the problem is you're working so hard tosuppress
it.
Yeah.
And that takes mental energy
Yeah.
Versus just letting it out and being yourselfout.
You know, but with that being said too, I'vealways tried to, you know, think of and I
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always struggled a lot with, like, tempergrowing up, like temper and, like, negative
self-talk.
I mean, it's just beating myself up.
And I don't know if it's because I grew up andsaw Tiger do it or the people my dad did it or
somebody else who I was playing with did it.
I don't know where I picked it up, but it was awaste of time really knowing what I know now.
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And I wish I didn't have to go through any ofit.
But my college coach, James Ross Blackheath,told me to be a heart rate monitor, right?
Like something good happens, go up, come rightback down.
Something bad happens, you go down, and youcome right back up.
But you always have to know where center is.
Exactly.
And especially if you're competing, you don'twant to play with adrenaline the whole time,
right?
And then you also don't want to play like, oh,man, I'm playing so bad, I still got 17 holes
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left or 16 holes left or what have you.
But you know, you have to figure out wherecenter is for yourself, especially
competitively.
Because golf can go on a roller coaster ofemotions, a roller coaster of mental thoughts.
It's a wild experience in four hours' time.
Well, if you're lucky.
Well, Grass League, playing four hours.
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So yeah.
There you go.
I do want to take a step back once again to theHigh Collection by Death Row.
Was there any particular outfit that you'relike, dude?
Yeah.
This is the one.
And you don't even have to give the if youdon't know the name of it, that's completely
fine.
of my favorite things.
Dude.
Me.
Yeah.
I told them I went in, and granted, we've gotthe hats here as well.
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We got one on too.
Man, I'm just like, the cardigan guys.
I was like, I gotta have the cardigan.
I'm like, I wear one, yeah.
The weight of it is incredible.
It's so nice.
Yeah.
And then the hoodie in the, the hoodie of thesame material too was a great wear.
It's like everything I was wearing was I was socomfortable in.
Some of my favorite, though, from the shootwould definitely be when I was holding the,
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what is it?
The old fashioned.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know what all the pieces were called,but that whole look.
White shirt underneath, cardigan on top, someloose fit pants.
It just and also a lot of the stuff that I woreis stuff I wouldn't ordinarily wear too.
Yeah.
So it was like kinda nice for me to kinda likeexpand my horizons a little bit and kinda get
involved and get more comfortable with somenewer stuff, especially as golf fashion
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translates or transitions into what it is.
It is.
And it's this crazy transition that'shappening.
Devereux Golf is one of them that's leading theway with it to where they don't wanna make $700
jackets.
Favorite thing about them too.
And that's why it's reasonable.
Devereux is by and large, they're growing thegame for that reason too.
Agree.
You know, like, golf clothing is so expensive.
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I mean, from your Sunday reds to your PeterMillars, and then, you know, here's Devereux
with incredible stuff at a price point thatkinda reflects, like, exclusive or not or the
opposite of exclusivity involved.
And that was one of the things that resonatedwith me the most of that whole photoshoot was
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learning more about Devereux and the peoplebehind Devereux because Bert is awesome.
He has such a great vision for what he wants todo with Devereux and where he wants to take it.
And all of it involves, like, more people beingincluded in the game.
And I think that's fun to be around.
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It really is.
And I love him.
I love Will.
Yeah.
Both of them are incredible.
I mean, two brothers that started a clothingbrand.
It's nuts.
And Bert and I had some crazy connectionsbetween, like, West Texas and New Mexico.
Oh, yeah.
Because they're from Texas originally.
And then Bert, I believe his grandmother grewup in New Mexico as well in, like, the Clayton
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area.
And we just had a lot of stuff in common andthen, like, just, like, a lot of outlook and
life stuff.
And, yeah, I enjoyed every second of thatentire experience with them.
That's so cool.
We're gonna transition now to our signaturemoment.
Yep.
Of the podcast.
This is something new that I'm starting wherewe're gonna go over your pull hook moment, the
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pull hook moment.
Because in my entire golfing history, pull hookwas the miss that I had.
That was my round destroyer.
It showed up almost every professional golfround.
I couldn't figure it out.
I'm like, man.
And it eventually led to me just stop playingprofessional golf.
But I'm like, I cannot get out of the way thatonce per round I'm gonna hit this pull hook,
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and it's going to ruin that golf round,especially at a professional level.
Because hitting a golf ball out of bounds,you're kind of screwing yourself.
Yeah.
And if you're gonna do that every round, butit's that ability to come back from it.
So what's your pull hook moment, whether it'sgolf or in life?
Yeah.
I mean, I'd say the like, golf-wise, I mean,I've had some pull hooks in my life.
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And the one, the most notable pull hook, was17.
It was the last year I could ever play a U.S.
Junior Amateur.
I'm in the qualifier, and I have a two-shotlead going last hole, pull hook one out of
bounds.
Oh, no.
And make triple and lose by one.
And it was to a guy that always used to kick myass growing up, and I wanted to beat him so
bad, and it didn't work out.
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And it sucked.
And I, you know, I used that like everyfailure.
I feel like that's I try to find something outof it, and that motivated me.
And I kept hitting pull hooks for a while.
And before long, it went away.
But I just think that I've done a really goodjob of never putting, like, oh, I always do
this or this is always gonna happen.
I kinda just look at things like, oh, it didhappen.
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It's not gonna happen again.
And, you know, when it happens, again, I'mgonna deal with it, you know, however I see
fit.
But, you know, between, you know, a couple pullhooks here and there, you know, I would say I
would put a lot of pressure on myself becauseand it was hard for me not to do that because I
was caddying.
And then if I didn't get status on Korn Ferry,I knew I was gonna get back to caddying.
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So I think that was probably my biggest bugaboois I just sometimes couldn't let go of the
what-ifs.
And, you know, I'm still I mean, I feel like Istill struggle with that today and, you know,
outside of golf and life, it's somethingsomething that always happens.
Yeah.
I feel like the pull hook is a great metaphorfor things that are gonna consistently come up
in life that you just need to continue to learnfrom and move on from.
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So that was a great answer, Bobby.
And, man, to lose by one.
Gosh.
Yeah.
It was gutting too.
Because like I said, I used to he used to kickmy ass all the time.
All the time.
And especially with it being, like, the lastever chance of winning the U.S.
or competing in the U.S.
in your amateur, it was kinda gutting.
Damn.
Yeah.
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That that that burns a little bit.
Even for me, hearing it, I'm like, oh, man.
I'll tell you.
My lowest golf round, I hit a pull hook, whichwas a 64.
And then my lowest professional event where Iactually made a cut, I ended up hitting a pull
hook in that as well.
So, yeah, it's been a part of my golf careerthroughout, and I can lean on life moments a
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lot throughout to where I'm like, yeah, thatwas a pull hook moment.
And they make you tougher time.
Right?
They make you tougher every single time.
Builds character, as I like
to say.
Absolutely.
100% right.
100% right.
By wrapping up here, what's next for you?
So encores, you know, the modeling stuff, like,where do you see this all going?
I'm trying not to put like a cap on it, Iguess, so to speak.
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Since I'm sort of new to it and kinda jumpinginto it, I'm just kind of, like I said, saying
yes to everything and, you know, just kindagoing with the flow.
You hear that, brands?
You hear that?
Hey.
Up your boy, he
I'm ready.
I'm available.
Yeah.
I'm
available.
What about golf-wise?
I mean, where do you see this going?
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Yeah.
Golf-wise, I love competitive, and I want to,you know, be competitive in golf and play in as
many tournaments as possible.
Don't necessarily know where it's going, butgonna do my best to continue to perform the way
I have been in Grass League.
And if I keep playing well, I feel like theplay will speak for itself.
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And you know, maybe at some point mycircumstances will change, and that'd be
amazing.
And I'm just trying to stay ready for everyopportunity that Grass League's given me and
the modeling's given me.
That's where we're waiting for those bigcontracts out of the Grass League.
Right?
Absolutely.
Those multimillion-dollar contracts.
It's like, alright, we've made it.
Absolutely.
But you guys are building really the groundworkand the foundation behind it all, which is
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awesome.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that.
I mean, just like I said, just being therefrom, like, the first event that I played in
December to, you know, the one in April andthen to being a part of the first one
traveling.
And between the one at Goat Hill and the eventin April, they did YouTube matches.
And, you know, I got to do that with RyanRuffels, who was my partner in the event at
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Goat Hill.
And, you know, we developed a really closefriendship from that and found out we knew a
lot of the same people, ironically, even thoughhe grew up in Australia and I grew up in New
Mexico.
I mean, what are the odds of that?
There's nothing like golf to, like,
bring people together.
Yeah.
bring people together and prove to you howsmall the world is.
I mean, we came to the conclusion I had ateammate from Australia and I went to go visit
him one year, and they were really goodfriends.
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And obviously, I had no idea at the time.
And we came to a conclusion that we wereprobably in the same house together within a
week of each other.
Wow.
I mean, that's wild.
That is wild.
Was that and then also 12 years before Iactually met him, that's golf.
Golf is a wild, wild game.
It is.
Like I said, it is a mirror of life because youthink about what you go through on the golf
course, and you can learn a lot about somebodyby being on the golf course with them.
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And lots of people like caddying too.
You know?
You'd be surprised, like, how much they usegolf for business too and not, like, obviously
closing deals, that's one thing.
But like deciding on whether or not they evenwant to go into business.
Take them out, see how they interact with thecaddies, see how they interact with the staff.
And that is a really big part of it too.
And that's something I've also learned is howimportant it is to just be good to everybody
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around you.
You
know?
Because if you're rude to the wrong person, youknow?
And that's not a reason to be good to everybodyeither.
You know what I'm saying?
It's just one thing to be more cognizant aboutwhen you're meeting new people all the time.
I couldn't agree more.
Now, Marty, where can people find you on socialmedia?
Yeah.
Or where can they keep up with you?
So I'd say my biggest presence is probably onInstagram.
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And my Instagram is Sanchez Marty doubleunderscore.
And I, you know, I haven't really dived intoTikTok.
I don't know if I
don't know.
TikTok's a different Yeah.
It's a different animal.
I definitely would like to get into someYouTube stuff.
Like I said, you know, being with Ryan andButtsy, they have the The Lads YouTube.
Yeah.
Are you gonna be on there?
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I would love to be on there at some point.
I would love a chance at the course recordaround J.
Days.
But, you know, I think that kind of opened up anew avenue of something that I never even
thought of before.
And I don't know exactly what I would do justyet, but definitely the wheels are spinning,
and I would love to jump into something newlike that.
That's awesome.
Well, thank you so much for being on.
It was awesome to get to know you and obviouslyfor our audience to get to know you as well.
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I appreciate you having me on.
This was an awesome experience too.
This is like, again, something I've neverreally done before and just to be involved.
You're a natural, man.
I appreciate
you.
Yeah.
You're gonna be on tons of podcasts after this.
Just like I said with Jordy making me look goodwhen I don't ordinarily, you're doing the same
thing for me here.
So I appreciate you.
Thank you.
My man, thank you so much.
Now, Silverleaf, and certainly the owner ofSilverleaf also has a team within the Grass
(00:05):
League.
So I always find it curious because Glenney'son Phoenix United.
You know, we've got you over with the LA Roses.
Right?
And then see, I don't I didn't follow it asmuch between the Grass League open to the Goat
Hill Park.
Mhmm.
And all of a sudden, I'm like, hang on, werethere trades?
Were there things that Yeah.
Went on that I don't know about?
(00:26):
Yeah.
So I mean, the I mean, the Grass League is itis the most unique, like, golf competition
sphere that I've ever been in.
And they're doing such an incredible job.
And, you know, like I said, with, like, gettingguys like Ben at Silverleaf involved, the
Phoenix United people have a massive presence,Dave Roberts with my team.
Yeah.
Wyndham Clark.
I mean, there's just so much there's so manyeyes on that all the people associated with it
(00:50):
are bringing to it.
And, you know, by and large, it's growing thegame like nothing else that I've seen.
And also, if you start to get home fieldadvantage is based on, hey, this team is
playing out of this golf course, you know, yougot this team playing out of that one.
Mhmm.
Because we were talking about it too, thenGlenney for instance knows that golf course so
dang well because where the Grass League takesplace, that grass clippings usually for the
(01:15):
main event.
With that, he runs a skins game every Wednesdaynight.
He's dialed.
Absolutely dialed.
It's unbelievable.
But it's different.
Right?
I mean, yes, it's a team aspect, but it'spar-three golf.
And on top of that and I what's funny is beforethe Grass League even came out on this podcast,
I was talking about different ways that thegame of golf can grow and expand because I
(01:36):
didn't love necessarily what LIV Golf, liketheir structure and setup.
Had nothing to do with the money.
Mhmm.
Like, I don't care where you get money from inorder to create a business and so forth.
Like, I feel like that should be separated, butthat being said, I love the idea of team golf.
Yeah.
Like, love that part of it.
And I was like, man, it'd be really cool ifthey built stadiums around par-three golf
(01:59):
courses.
Yeah.
And sure enough, it's kinda leading in thatdirection, which is really cool.
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf, thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
And on today's episode, we've got an amazingguest for all of you.
(02:19):
Today, I am joined by Grass League sensation,standout.
I mean, you were one of the guys to where whenI was out there walking around, I saw you.
I saw you're playing well, and I'm like, oh,shit.
I'm like, dude, how did this all come about?
So we're gonna get into a lot of that, but he'salso the face.
(02:41):
And when I say the face, I mean the face of theDevereux Golf collection that just dropped,
which is the High Country collection.
Folks, we've got Marty Sanchez with us.
How are you, man?
Doing well.
Appreciate you having me on.
I'm super excited for this and ready to getgoing.
Awesome.
Well, we've gotta start with your golfingjourney because, you know, I don't know a whole
(03:02):
lot about you, which I said, I wanna get toknow you on this episode and so that our
audience can get to know you as well.
Mhmm.
But take me through kinda where did golf startfor you?
Yeah.
So golf started for me in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
And when I first started playing, it was kindasomething I would just do with my dad and my
grandpa to get out and have some fun with them.
And then, you know, it kind of transitionedinto something I was interested in as I got
(03:24):
into high school and junior high.
I made the team as an eighth grader and, youknow, kinda saw myself improving steadily and
won state my sophomore year.
Wow.
Of high school, which was kind of an unexpectedexperience.
And that was kind of when I knew I wanted toplay professionally.
I would say that I actually kinda felt like itwas actually possible when I got to college.
(03:46):
But yeah, journey started in Santa Fe and yeah,growing up watching my dad play golf and
watching my grandpa play golf and kindalearning from them organically.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
I mean, that's a quick rise, right, from whenyou started?
Yeah.
To then winning state as a sophomore?
Yeah.
No.
And, I mean, it's, you know, it's so funnybecause I grew up and, you know, I was big into
basketball kinda like everybody in New Mexicois and, you know, wasn't growing and, you know,
(04:08):
all that.
But I that's what I wanted to do originally wasplay basketball.
And, you know, golf kinda just took a hold overme, and that was yeah.
I I'm laughing because I have a very similarnow I didn't make the leap golf wise until
junior and then really my senior year in termsof golf performance because I started 13,
started late, and then ended up getting to apoint to where, you know, I I just became
(04:33):
obsessed with the game.
Yeah.
That's kinda how
it is.
Then from there, we ended up winning state mysenior year, but it really didn't click until
junior year, I feel like.
At least playing kinda under some pressure.
Oh, 100%.
Now basketball was also my favorite sport.
I loved it, and I'm like, man, I'm 5 foot 11, 6foot-ish, like, on a good day.
(04:55):
Mhmm.
And I'm like, and I'm white.
Okay?
Probably not going to the NBA, and I wanted toplay professional sports.
So golf became that avenue for me.
So what led so from high school, obviously youwin state as a sophomore getting up there in
terms of kind of, let's say performance andplay.
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Yeah.
Where'd you end up going to school?
So I started off at a small school in Missouricalled William Woods.
Wasn't a great fit for me and didn't really domuch good over there golf-wise.
And then got in touch with the head golf coachat New Mexico Junior College who recruited me a
bunch out of high school.
And I just, you know, didn't really wanna dothe junior college route because I didn't know
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a whole lot about it.
So once I left William Woods in Missouri andtransferred over to New Mexico Junior College,
I was just in such a much better headspace.
I was a little bit closer to home, which, youknow, that shouldn't really be that big of a
deal, but for me, it was.
And the golf coach there, his name was JamesRoss Black.
I mean, he really, really helped me out maturementally, taught me how to practice, and then
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just overall just kind of made my whole golfexperience fun as I improved.
And, you know, for me, I think finding fun inpractice is kind of how you're gonna get
better.
And since I was able to do that, it made goingthrough the lulls that much easier just because
I had something to fall back on and know thatit's all just part of the process.
And, yeah, I would say really just college iskind of when everything started or that
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sophomore year of college is when everythingstarted matriculating into, like, yeah, I think
I can do this full time, and I think I can besuccessful at it.
You said something really, really importantthere, which is the process.
Right?
And that's something you don't learn rightaway.
It's like this growth.
Mhmm.
And then all of a sudden, you have your firstturmoil.
Yeah.
In golf and really, I always think of golf as amirror of life.
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And until you start to get to some of thosebumps in the road, you really don't know.
You think it's just gonna be that rise.
And it sounds like from that point, once youstarted to figure out, okay, this part of the
process is what I need to kinda learn andexperience in order to grow even further,
where'd you go after college?
So after New Mexico Junior College, I actuallywent to West Texas A&M and finished up over
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there.
Didn't really do anything special.
You know, I kept getting better, but likeplaying-wise, I didn't really play all that
great.
And I think that that was more because I wascommitting to, you know, making some changes as
I transitioned into turning professional.
So after my college was over, I stayed amateurfor, I guess another six, seven months.
And kind of traveled around, got comfortabletraveling on my own, booking all my travel
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arrangements.
Because you know when you're in college,everything is done for you and it's really,
really easy.
And you know, I played Division II golf, so Ihad no chance of PGA Tour U.
So, you know, I kind of learned how to doeverything on my own, which is great.
I think it made me a lot tougher and it youknow, golf, you're on an island out there.
Right?
So if you can't be comfortable being byyourself and doing the grind by yourself, then
it's gonna be a really tough road for you.
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But, yeah, stayed an amateur for, like I said,six, seven months and then turned professional.
First event was New Mexico Open, made the cutin that and, you know, then kind of immediately
started getting into like how toughprofessional golf is.
And, you know, it's your welcome to the showmoment.
I played with Charlie Beljan in an Outlaw Tourevent.
It was the first time I was ever in the lastgroup of a professional event.
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And god, I just got dorked by them.
But it was a great experience, like getting towatch how Jimmy Gunn was also in the group as
So I got to see see
Jimmy Gunn and Charlie Beljan, guys whoprobably won, what, 100 professional events
between the two of them.
I was able to learn exactly how they handlethings and how they navigate, like how much
time you actually have to put together a round.
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You know, because like when you're early,you're used to playing junior events that are a
day, amateur events that are two days.
You know, it's you just kinda learn how to bywatching these people, like, how it's done, if
that makes sense.
It really does.
Yeah.
I mean, that's one of the best ways to learn.
Right?
Is by playing with better players and keepingyour attitude.
Especially under pressure.
Mhmm.
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I mean, talk to us a little bit because I'vetalked a lot about the mindset of
a golfer.
Right?
And it's a different ballgame.
A lot of people are like, tournament golf iscompletely different.
Yeah.
Than going out and playing golf with yourbuddies because there's a lot of sofa pundits
out there who sit on their couch, watchprofessional golf, and they've got a lot of
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opinions about it.
Right?
Absolutely.
Talk to us about how did you deal with thepressure once you got into that position, and
what did you learn from that first time?
So, you know, I feel like in general with golf,I was kind of a late bloomer.
Like, I had some success in New Mexico, youknow, with my age demographic.
But, you know, once I got to college andstarted getting my ass kicked, I really, you
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know, had motivation to improve.
So, you know, I'd say like some of the stuffthat worked for me was just like, I don't want
to ever say like being okay with losing, butjust knowing how much more time you have after
this event.
I mean, it's not over, right?
You have so many more events down the frontline, and you can look at them one of two ways.
You can look at it like, damn, I suck.
I'm getting my ass kicked every week.
Or you're like, man, I'm getting my ass kickedevery week.
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I need to do something different to be better.
And I think that that's something I was reallygood at was finding, like, the positives
through the or, like, through the defeats and,you know, just kind of recalibrating myself as
each event went on.
And then, you know, competition is like myfavorite part about golf.
So like the practicing and all that, it's allpart of the grind leading up to exactly what
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I'm most excited for.
So I think for me, handling the pressure isjust like, dude, you're here.
Like you're so fortunate to be in thissituation.
You're so good at golf.
Let's enjoy some of what you have going on.
And before I won my first professional event,the Las Vegas Open, the week before, I missed
qualifying for the Arizona Open.
Shot 74 at Moon Valley, had just been caddyingall year at Whisper Rock at the time and, you
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know, was not happy with how I played overthere.
And then literally rolled into the Las VegasOpen four days afterward.
And, you know, I'm like, you know what?
You were just caddying for the last six monthspretty much every day.
You haven't competed.
Let's just enjoy coming out here and doing whatyou love and compete.
And then something clicked, and ever sincethen, I just feel like I've been a really good
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competitor ever since I felt like golf wasn'tas big a part of my life as I wanted it to be
through the caddying.
Sure.
So
And you still caddy now, right?
You were telling me right before we came onthat over at Silverleaf, which is not a bad
gig.
Not at all.
I used to caddy over there in college.
Yep.
And certainly, we know Mike Glennie.
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Good man.
Mutual friend.
And sure enough, he caddies over there.
So you guys got a good little caddy shack, soto speak.
Oh, gosh.
I mean, honestly, I would put our caddy shackat Silverleaf up against any caddy shack in the
country.
Not only in terms of playing ability, we have alot of sticks out there.
And we're just also great.
Like, I feel like everybody there is greatpeople.
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And we're lucky enough to be around an amazingmembership as much as we are and get to hang
out with some really cool people with somereally cool stories that, you know, live some
incredible lives.
So it's fun to have kind of a peek into thatworld as well.
And it's humbling.
It's very humbling, and it makes you wanna workharder.
I love that.
But it keeps you around the game, right?
Absolutely.
Keeps you constantly thinking about the littlethings.
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Mhmm.
How the green breaks, different shots thatplayers need to
all the time too.
When I'm, like, telling people or, like,helping people, I'm like, damn, I haven't
thought about that in a minute.
Like, you know, just simple stuff like that.
But you're 100% right.
Like, even though I'm working a bunch, I'mstill around golf and, like, practicing my
green reading and, you know, practicing, like,how I rake a bunker, just random stuff like
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that.
It's important
for is important.
Always rake towards the target.
That is correct.
That's hilarious you say that because one ofthe co-hosts that I had for a while was Bobby
Brown, who used to caddy for Dustin Johnsonduring all the turmoil and everything.
So he had some stories.
But one of his big things was, even for PGATour caddies, was like, rake the bunker
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correctly.
Yeah.
Just fix your ball marks and rake the bunkersthe right way.
Exactly.
So you said that, and all of a sudden I'm likehearing his voice in my ear.
I'm like, oh, yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
People don't know how to rake bunkers properly.
No.
And it's funny too because there are times whenthe membership is so amazing out there and then
they're trying to help me because they see I'mworking really hard and they'll rake the
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bunkers and not irritating me.
Irritates me is the wrong word.
But I'm like, oh no, guys, I got it.
Don't worry.
Mainly just because of my OCD.
Yeah.
I was about to say, your OCD, just like, oh, Igotta go fix it.
Yeah.
Golf OCD is really the only OCD I have.
It's golf related.
That is awesome.
Now, Silverleaf, and certainly the owner ofSilverleaf also has a team within the Grass
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League.
So I always find it curious because Glenys ison Phoenix United.
You know, we've got you over with the LA Roses.
Right?
And then see, I don't I didn't follow it asmuch between the Grass League Open to the Goat
Hill Park.
Mhmm.
And all of a sudden, I'm like, hang on.
Were there trades?
Were there things that went on that I don'tknow about?
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Yeah.
So I mean, the Grass League is it is the mostunique, like, golf competition sphere that I've
ever been in.
And they're doing such an incredible job.
And, you know, like I said, with, like, gettingguys like Ben at Silverleaf involved, the
Phoenix United people have a massive presence,Dave Roberts with my team, Wyndham Clark.
I mean, there's just so many eyes on that allthe people associated with it are bringing to
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it.
And, you know, by and large, it's growing thegame like nothing else that I've seen.
Well, and it's different, right?
I mean, yes, it's a team aspect, but it's par-3golf.
And on top of that, what's funny is before theGrass League even came out, this podcast was
talking about different ways that the game ofgolf can grow and expand because I didn't love
necessarily what LIV Golf, like, theirstructure and setup.
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Had nothing to do with the money.
Mhmm.
Like, I don't care where you get money from inorder to create a business and so forth.
Like, I feel like that should be separated.
But that being said, didn't love the, like, Ilove the idea of team golf.
Yeah.
Like, love that part of it.
I was like, man, it'd be really cool if theybuilt stadiums around par-3 golf courses.
Yeah.
And sure enough, it's kinda leading in thatdirection, which is really cool.
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Also, if you start to get home field advantagesbased on, hey, this team is playing out of this
golf course.
You know, you got this team playing out of thatone.
Mhmm.
Because we were talking about it too.
Then Glennie, for instance, knows that golfcourse so dang well because where the Grass
League takes place is at Grass Clippingsusually for the main event.
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And with that, he runs a skins game everyWednesday night.
He's dialed.
Absolutely dialed.
It's unbelievable.
So, Glennie, before he was on United, heactually caddied for me and my partner in the
first Grass League event I ever played in.
That was the one in December, so the big one.
And it was me, one of my best friends, collegeteammate of mine, Braxton Sides.
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And, you know, we were looking I was trying tofigure out who, you know, to have caddy for me.
I was like,
I'm gonna ask Glennie.
And fortunately enough, Glennie was 100% in,and that guy is a savant.
I think I told you earlier that guy hasforgotten more about that golf course than most
people will ever know.
He's 100% accurate.
Yeah.
That guy's reading the that guy could read thegreens out there without the lights.
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I mean, it's beyond impressive.
And I gotta say too, like, he got so dialed in.
I played a golf round with him before his firstGrass League event with Phoenix United, and he
was so dialed to where he's like, oh, I gottahit a cut into this one because of that hump
right there.
Oh, I need to dead arm this one so that itdoesn't spin back off the green.
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Like, he's talking through all of these shotsbefore he's hit.
And, you know, in Grass League, we actually hadto play with one ball.
On Wednesdays, there's multiple people, Glennieincluded that on, like, certain holes out
there.
They know the course so that they change ballsbecause of how receptive they are.
So like the tournament number 12, the actualnumber three Yep.
Three.
That green I mean
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That green's
diabolical, right?
So second to last event in April that I played,I was paired with one of The Lads was my
partner.
Oh, yeah.
Electric guy.
And we get paired with Garrett Clark and MattKendrick.
And we get to that hole.
And, you know, we're not playing great, butwe're hanging in there.
But that's like a hole that makes or breaksyou.
And the Good Good guys were kinda hanging inthere with us and, you know, we hit a great
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shot on on that hole and the Good Good guysmade five.
And they had to make a putt to make five.
So, you know, that when the course is trickedout, the greens are that green is
extraordinarily soft compared to the rest ofthem, and the greens are quick.
I mean, you can make a big number out there ona 70-yard hole.
In a two-man scramble.
So, like, people don't understand how difficultand diabolical it gets
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Mhmm.
When they cut it down and shave those greensdown as much as they do.
Throw a little April wind in there too.
I mean, that that was some of the mostchallenging, like, golf shots that I have had
to hit under the gun was the last event atGrass Clippings because it was so windy and the
greens were so fast.
And, you know, we were up there in the mix ofit too.
And, you know, I you're the added scramblething, you're, like, trying not to let your
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partner down, and you're trying to keep thevibes high.
So there's, like, more pressure than, like, Ithink a lot of the average golfers might
understand out there, which is it's it'sdefinitely pressure packed.
It definitely is.
And, folks, you can watch these on Peacock, bythe way.
And then I know the Goat Hill, they ended updoing a YouTube series on it, so you can go
catch that in addition to it.
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But I do wanna take a step back Yeah.
Because I got too excited.
We jumped right into the Grass League, and I'mjust like, man, I'm really getting into the
entire conversation.
But let's chat real quick about how you gotinto the Grass League.
It's incredibly lucky.
When it kind of started matriculating in, let'ssay, October 2024, I've been fortunate enough
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to caddy for Jimmy and Jay Kolsun a coupletimes out at Silverleaf.
And, you know, I feel like I had really goodrelationships with them.
And, you know, I reached out to them and I waslike, hey, this looks like so much fun.
I would love to get involved.
I'm not really playing in anythingprofessionally right now just because finances,
caddying, a bunch, and just other life stuff.
And I thought this would be a great way for meto stay competitive and still, you know, be
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involved in golf.
And
So they real quick.
They are the founders along with Todd Dobsonwho
TD.
Will will will TD.
We we won't out him on this episode.
Yeah.
That may or may not be his real name.
That's all I'm gonna say.
We didn't know what it does.
Yeah.
But they are the founders of the GrassClippings and Grass League.
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Right?
So continue.
I reached out to Jimmy, and Jimmy put me intouch with Mitch McCarthy, the GM of the Roses.
And we had a couple of conversations, and, youknow, they took a chance on me.
And I ended up playing really well in theevents and, you know, it kind of turned into
what it is now.
And I couldn't be happier or more thankful forthe opportunity to get out there and, you know,
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compete and be involved in this because, like Isaid before, this is changing golf and growing
golf in a way that I don't think anything elseis.
And, you know, to be involved in something likethat, especially as much as I love golf, it's
something I'm very proud of.
Now I could be completely off in this.
Yeah.
But for some reason, I remember talking withTodd in regards to, like, before the Grass
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League Open, and he was talking about we did apodcast with him over there at Grass Clippings.
And sure enough, we were talking about, and Ican't remember if this was you or not, but were
you an alternate that got in with the LA Roses?
So for the April 1, I wasn't on the Itechnically wasn't going to play.
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Yeah.
And then Ryan Ruffels hurt his wrist.
That's what it was.
Yeah.
Then I got a call-up.
And that I think really improved my status withthe team.
Oh my god, you played awesome.
I played great.
Yeah, your partner let you down.
I'm kidding.
No, no.
The partner had a hole-in-one during thatthing.
It was the most electric moment of my playingcareer.
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I was shocked it went in, and just the factthat it happened under the lights during the
event was wild.
I'd never expect anything like that to happen.
But, yeah, I played really well.
My team has been the low finisher in everyevent with the Roses so far.
You know, I feel again, I'm
so proud of becoming one of the top guys.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
Where I feel like Glennie's been on kind ofthat same rise where unknown all of a sudden
gets a tryout with Phoenix United, playsextremely well, starts beating all the guys on
the team, and all of a sudden they're like,hey, you're our number one guy.
People just don't know ball because if theyknow ball, Glennie should have been somebody
should have picked Glennie.
From day one.
Somebody should have picked Glennie also.
I mean, if you like I said, that guy has playedmore rounds there than any participant.
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And, yeah, I was trying to see the fact that Ihad him as a caddy is out of pocket.
Really is.
Truthfully.
That is that is nuts.
Love seeing your rise and everything, but it'sgone a step further now.
Yep.
Beyond the grass league because you are theface right now of the High Country Collection
from DevRow that they just dropped.
This is their fall collection, folks.
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So with that said, as we get into thisconversation, how did this come about?
I saw Burt post something on Instagram, and Ireached out to him.
Quick backstory.
I've ever I've kinda jumped into a little bitof the modeling stuff with Miura originally.
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Done some stuff with Asher.
Done some other stuff with other various golfcompanies.
And then, you know, saw like I said, I saw Burtpost the thing on Instagram.
Reached out and yeah.
Which, by the way, I have seen you all oversocial media for years.
And I'm just like, dude, who is this guy?
And luckily enough, I get to sit here and havethis conversation with you, which is awesome.
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With this High Country collection, normally,like, they'll get a group of people together.
They're just like, no, dude.
You're the guy.
We're going full in with
Like I said, I am honored.
I never thought of myself as a model when Istarted doing this, but, you know, everybody
tells me I'm good at it, which is nice.
Oh, killed it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
I hear I'm good at it for sure.
But yeah, and then just I really do enjoy itbecause I get to meet a bunch of people.
I get to learn something about stuff I don'tknow anything about, but I'm interested in,
like photography.
You know, I think it's fun getting to work withall these people.
I mean, it really is.
Jordy, who I've done other photoshoots with, hewas the main guy for our photoshoot up in
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Flagstaff for the High Country.
And getting to work with Jordy is magic, man.
That guy is awesome.
He makes me look so much better than I actuallylook in person.
It's unbelievable.
I gotta no.
I'm kidding.
I'll get his number.
I'll get you his number.
Yeah.
I'm like, shit.
I need him right now.
Can we get him over here?
So with the High Country collection, did youknow that you were going to be the sole guy
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behind it?
Like, show up day one, you're like, where'severybody else?
Yeah.
Well, it wasn't kinda, you know, like I said,I've always taken sort of an organic approach
because I'm so out of my, like, naturalelement.
So I just kinda got there.
It was what it was, and then I kinda had torock with it.
And like I said, that's a lot of attention onme, which kinda makes it a little awkward at
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times.
But it's flattering for sure.
It's that rise, man.
Yeah.
And it's cool to see where you're at right nowwith this acceleration, let's call it.
Because yeah.
Certainly getting your opportunity in the grassleague, being able to play and perform at that
level.
Obviously, like you said, you were the low teamfor your team
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Yep.
At every event so far, which is, I mean, atestament to you.
Yeah.
And really cool to see now you're starting toget that limelight.
Right?
To where it's like, hey, you know, there's youmight wanna piggyback off of some
of these things
to where, like, this could lead into and
I couldn't agree more with that.
And then, you know, honestly, it's stuff that Iyou know, when I was actually playing, I wish I
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put myself out there a little bit more because,you know, the exposure is incredible, number
one.
And then number two, it's also like it's yourbrand.
Right?
So you're if the more you're putting yourselfout there and the more you're vulnerable in
these types of situations, I feel like it'snumber one, it's gonna make you tougher just as
a person in general, but also it's all part ofgolf.
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I mean, it's like you get to a certain pointplaying professionally, and it's not just
playing golf.
It's not just practice.
You gotta make sure your finances are in order.
You gotta make sure your personal life is inorder.
And then also having these types ofopportunities that I have is just bonus points.
And I'm trying to make the best of everysituation that gets put in front of me and say
no like almost never to opportunities.
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And, you know, hopefully, you know, more goodstuff keeps happening for me.
Yeah.
And I talked to Terrence Daniels who, yeah, youwere mentioning just did a Cactus Club on with
you as the main focus and subject.
And with that, he did mention to me, or atleast I saw from him, that he said it couldn't
happen to a greater guy, like, this rise andeverything.
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So and I can already tell.
Just in meeting you today and getting to knowyou even a bit more through the podcast, I'm
just like, wow.
You're a dude that I would 100% go out, have adrink with, and go—I mean, I'm not drinking
right now, but that being said, just somebodycool to hang out with.
It's really nice because you do get a lot ofegos in the game of golf.
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Right?
And a lot of people, it's off-putting where,you know, they're all about themselves.
And,
you know, early on when I came out of collegeand played mini tour golf and so forth, I was
all to myself because I was super competitive.
Yeah.
Same.
Like, I didn't take advantage of kinda gettingto know other guys and everything.
And that's why, like, you ask people that Iprobably played with, and they're like, yeah.
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I don't know who he
is.
Yeah.
And, you know, it's like for me, I like I said,I kinda had a slow, like, rise, like, playing.
So, you know, I I would cling to, you know,people I grew up with.
Sam Saunders is a big he helped me get so muchbetter just because of practicing with him and
playing a bunch of them.
He kicked my ass all the time.
So, you know, like, again, just trying to learnfrom everybody I'm around really kinda I feel
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like probably did some good stuff forpersonality wise because I'm putting myself out
there a little bit more and, like, askingquestions to people I'm competing against,
which, you know, historically, had never donebefore just because I wanted to beat everybody
so bad.
But, yeah, and, you know, to the ego thing ingolf, it is like there is a lot of egos.
And, you know, with that being said, I dothink, like, you kinda have to have, like, a
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little bit of selfishness.
But I've always loved being around people, soit's never been like, oh, my I'm way more
important than this guy.
You know?
It's like, I wanna help people playing that I'mcompeting against too.
If they come up and ask, you know, for help, Iwould love to help.
Yeah.
And, you know, I it's fortunately enough,that's been reciprocated to me.
So, you know, I've the ego thing, I guess, forme, it just never, like, was all that outward.
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It was just more, like, internal, like, mewanting to beat everybody but realizing, like,
hey.
I still have a lot to learn from these peopletoo.
Yeah.
And, yeah, it kinda I guess that's
No.
It's awesome because, again, like I said, theego thing for a lot of these guys is closed
off.
They don't—it's almost like if they becomevulnerable, they're gonna give up something.
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It's like, man, the game of golf is way biggerthan that. All
All of it really gatekeeping.
I mean, that's the best word for it.
Yeah.
No.
Seriously.
And I, you know, fortunately enough, prettymuch everybody I've ever asked for help has
been super helpful.
And, you know, I do think that's something Ilearned early is never be afraid to ask for
help, right?
And since I did learn that early, I kind of putpeople on the spot to say no, which is a hard
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thing to do too, especially if you'recompletely vulnerable.
Like, hey, you're so good at this, I wouldreally love to learn how to get better at it
too.
So, you know, I think that as any golfergrowing up, just never be afraid to ask for
help is a really good place to start.
I think that's a hell of an advice for anybodylistening.
Yeah.
Because that right there, yeah.
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I didn't take enough advantage of that—of justasking people for help.
And I'm sure there's a lot of kids out there, alot of junior golfers out there that really
could use that tip.
Because as they try to grind it out and try toget to the next levels of competition, you have
to learn from other people.
Yeah.
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You do.
And like I said earlier too, it's like golf,you're on an island when you're out there
competing, but that's only when you're outthere competing.
Like, anytime else, I mean, golf is kind of,you know, a collaborative experience, you know,
because, I mean, the vast majority of peopleare, you know, have somebody they go to for
help, somebody they talk to about, you know,weightlifting and exercise, another person they
talk to about the mental aspect.
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So, you know, it's like, why do we have allthese people?
Why not ask, like, other people that are doingthe same thing that you're doing that are
better at something than you are?
You know?
One thing I remember specifically when I was,this is, like, 2023.
It was right before Q-School.
And I read this article that is about PrestonSummerhays, who I've been fortunate enough to
caddie for at Silverleaf.
Amazing kid.
Tons of talent.
(30:31):
He's definitely gonna be on the PGA Tour atsome point.
But his coach was talking about, like, howPreston is, like, outwardly, like, emotional,
like, when good things are going on.
And he's talking about how that, like,translates into, like, more good stuff while
he's playing.
And I'm like, damn, I don't do any of thatoutward emotion stuff.
And I'm still, like, not great at it, but I'm,like, doing it more and more now.
(30:54):
And it does pump me up.
It carries me on to other stuff.
So, you know, just like even somebody youngerthan you or, you know, somebody you don't even
compete against, you can learn something fromthose types of experiences and just reading
too.
So, yeah, just collaborate.
You know, golf is too hard to not learn fromother people.
It's so true.
It is the hardest sport in the world.
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Yeah.
I work with a sports psychologist, Dr.
Lee Piccarello, and we talk all the time.
So every week, we have a call to where whetherit's business, sports, and so forth.
And now it's actually somewhat leaking into thepodcast.
And I said I'm gonna have him on an episodebecause we need to dive in.
But one of the last episodes I did was aroundthe golfer mindset where, you know, a lot of
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people and especially the media around golf tryto suppress emotion.
Yeah.
It's like, look at Ludvig Åberg.
It's that is what everybody should be doing outthere showing no emotion whatsoever.
And he was like, that's completely the wrongthing to do because you need that connection.
Yeah.
(32:02):
You need the connection to the fans, theaudience, and so forth.
And to show that emotion, I started thinking,I'm like, wow.
When I'm on the golf course, oftentimes, like,I suppress so much.
And the problem is you're working so hard tosuppress
it.
Yeah.
And that takes mental energy
Yeah.
Versus just letting it out and being yourselfout.
You know, but with that being said too, I'vealways tried to, you know, think of and I
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always struggled a lot with, like, tempergrowing up, like temper and, like, negative
self-talk.
I mean, it's just beating myself up.
And I don't know if it's because I grew up andsaw Tiger do it or the people my dad did it or
somebody else who I was playing with did it.
I don't know where I picked it up, but it was awaste of time really knowing what I know now.
(32:47):
And I wish I didn't have to go through any ofit.
But my college coach, James Ross Blackheath,told me to be a heart rate monitor, right?
Like something good happens, go up, come rightback down.
Something bad happens, you go down, and youcome right back up.
But you always have to know where center is.
Exactly.
And especially if you're competing, you don'twant to play with adrenaline the whole time,
right?
And then you also don't want to play like, oh,man, I'm playing so bad, I still got 17 holes
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left or 16 holes left or what have you.
But you know, you have to figure out wherecenter is for yourself, especially
competitively.
Because golf can go on a roller coaster ofemotions, a roller coaster of mental thoughts.
It's a wild experience in four hours' time.
Well, if you're lucky.
Well, Grass League, playing four hours.
(33:33):
So yeah.
There you go.
I do want to take a step back once again to theHigh Collection by Death Row.
Was there any particular outfit that you'relike, dude?
Yeah.
This is the one.
And you don't even have to give the if youdon't know the name of it, that's completely
fine.
of my favorite things.
Dude.
Me.
Yeah.
I told them I went in, and granted, we've gotthe hats here as well.
(33:56):
We got one on too.
Man, I'm just like, the cardigan guys.
I was like, I gotta have the cardigan.
I'm like, I wear one, yeah.
The weight of it is incredible.
It's so nice.
Yeah.
And then the hoodie in the, the hoodie of thesame material too was a great wear.
It's like everything I was wearing was I was socomfortable in.
Some of my favorite, though, from the shootwould definitely be when I was holding the,
(34:25):
what is it?
The old fashioned.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know what all the pieces were called,but that whole look.
White shirt underneath, cardigan on top, someloose fit pants.
It just and also a lot of the stuff that I woreis stuff I wouldn't ordinarily wear too.
Yeah.
So it was like kinda nice for me to kinda likeexpand my horizons a little bit and kinda get
involved and get more comfortable with somenewer stuff, especially as golf fashion
(34:49):
translates or transitions into what it is.
It is.
And it's this crazy transition that'shappening.
Devereux Golf is one of them that's leading theway with it to where they don't wanna make $700
jackets.
Favorite thing about them too.
And that's why it's reasonable.
Devereux is by and large, they're growing thegame for that reason too.
Agree.
You know, like, golf clothing is so expensive.
(35:10):
I mean, from your Sunday reds to your PeterMillars, and then, you know, here's Devereux
with incredible stuff at a price point thatkinda reflects, like, exclusive or not or the
opposite of exclusivity involved.
And that was one of the things that resonatedwith me the most of that whole photoshoot was
(35:31):
learning more about Devereux and the peoplebehind Devereux because Bert is awesome.
He has such a great vision for what he wants todo with Devereux and where he wants to take it.
And all of it involves, like, more people beingincluded in the game.
And I think that's fun to be around.
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It really is.
And I love him.
I love Will.
Yeah.
Both of them are incredible.
I mean, two brothers that started a clothingbrand.
It's nuts.
And Bert and I had some crazy connectionsbetween, like, West Texas and New Mexico.
Oh, yeah.
Because they're from Texas originally.
And then Bert, I believe his grandmother grewup in New Mexico as well in, like, the Clayton
(36:15):
area.
And we just had a lot of stuff in common andthen, like, just, like, a lot of outlook and
life stuff.
And, yeah, I enjoyed every second of thatentire experience with them.
That's so cool.
We're gonna transition now to our signaturemoment.
Yep.
Of the podcast.
This is something new that I'm starting wherewe're gonna go over your pull hook moment, the
(36:35):
pull hook moment.
Because in my entire golfing history, pull hookwas the miss that I had.
That was my round destroyer.
It showed up almost every professional golfround.
I couldn't figure it out.
I'm like, man.
And it eventually led to me just stop playingprofessional golf.
But I'm like, I cannot get out of the way thatonce per round I'm gonna hit this pull hook,
(37:01):
and it's going to ruin that golf round,especially at a professional level.
Because hitting a golf ball out of bounds,you're kind of screwing yourself.
Yeah.
And if you're gonna do that every round, butit's that ability to come back from it.
So what's your pull hook moment, whether it'sgolf or in life?
Yeah.
I mean, I'd say the like, golf-wise, I mean,I've had some pull hooks in my life.
(37:23):
And the one, the most notable pull hook, was17.
It was the last year I could ever play a U.S.
Junior Amateur.
I'm in the qualifier, and I have a two-shotlead going last hole, pull hook one out of
bounds.
Oh, no.
And make triple and lose by one.
And it was to a guy that always used to kick myass growing up, and I wanted to beat him so
bad, and it didn't work out.
(37:44):
And it sucked.
And I, you know, I used that like everyfailure.
I feel like that's I try to find something outof it, and that motivated me.
And I kept hitting pull hooks for a while.
And before long, it went away.
But I just think that I've done a really goodjob of never putting, like, oh, I always do
this or this is always gonna happen.
I kinda just look at things like, oh, it didhappen.
(38:06):
It's not gonna happen again.
And, you know, when it happens, again, I'mgonna deal with it, you know, however I see
fit.
But, you know, between, you know, a couple pullhooks here and there, you know, I would say I
would put a lot of pressure on myself becauseand it was hard for me not to do that because I
was caddying.
And then if I didn't get status on Korn Ferry,I knew I was gonna get back to caddying.
(38:29):
So I think that was probably my biggest bugaboois I just sometimes couldn't let go of the
what-ifs.
And, you know, I'm still I mean, I feel like Istill struggle with that today and, you know,
outside of golf and life, it's somethingsomething that always happens.
Yeah.
I feel like the pull hook is a great metaphorfor things that are gonna consistently come up
in life that you just need to continue to learnfrom and move on from.
(38:52):
So that was a great answer, Bobby.
And, man, to lose by one.
Gosh.
Yeah.
It was gutting too.
Because like I said, I used to he used to kickmy ass all the time.
All the time.
And especially with it being, like, the lastever chance of winning the U.S.
or competing in the U.S.
in your amateur, it was kinda gutting.
Damn.
Yeah.
(39:12):
That that that burns a little bit.
Even for me, hearing it, I'm like, oh, man.
I'll tell you.
My lowest golf round, I hit a pull hook, whichwas a 64.
And then my lowest professional event where Iactually made a cut, I ended up hitting a pull
hook in that as well.
So, yeah, it's been a part of my golf careerthroughout, and I can lean on life moments a
(39:37):
lot throughout to where I'm like, yeah, thatwas a pull hook moment.
And they make you tougher time.
Right?
They make you tougher every single time.
Builds character, as I like
to say.
Absolutely.
100% right.
100% right.
By wrapping up here, what's next for you?
So encores, you know, the modeling stuff, like,where do you see this all going?
I'm trying not to put like a cap on it, Iguess, so to speak.
(39:59):
Since I'm sort of new to it and kinda jumpinginto it, I'm just kind of, like I said, saying
yes to everything and, you know, just kindagoing with the flow.
You hear that, brands?
You hear that?
Hey.
Up your boy, he
I'm ready.
I'm available.
Yeah.
I'm
available.
What about golf-wise?
I mean, where do you see this going?
(40:19):
Yeah.
Golf-wise, I love competitive, and I want to,you know, be competitive in golf and play in as
many tournaments as possible.
Don't necessarily know where it's going, butgonna do my best to continue to perform the way
I have been in Grass League.
And if I keep playing well, I feel like theplay will speak for itself.
(40:40):
And you know, maybe at some point mycircumstances will change, and that'd be
amazing.
And I'm just trying to stay ready for everyopportunity that Grass League's given me and
the modeling's given me.
That's where we're waiting for those bigcontracts out of the Grass League.
Right?
Absolutely.
Those multimillion-dollar contracts.
It's like, alright, we've made it.
Absolutely.
But you guys are building really the groundworkand the foundation behind it all, which is
(41:03):
awesome.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that.
I mean, just like I said, just being therefrom, like, the first event that I played in
December to, you know, the one in April andthen to being a part of the first one
traveling.
And between the one at Goat Hill and the eventin April, they did YouTube matches.
And, you know, I got to do that with RyanRuffels, who was my partner in the event at
(41:25):
Goat Hill.
And, you know, we developed a really closefriendship from that and found out we knew a
lot of the same people, ironically, even thoughhe grew up in Australia and I grew up in New
Mexico.
I mean, what are the odds of that?
There's nothing like golf to, like,
bring people together.
Yeah.
bring people together and prove to you howsmall the world is.
I mean, we came to the conclusion I had ateammate from Australia and I went to go visit
him one year, and they were really goodfriends.
(41:46):
And obviously, I had no idea at the time.
And we came to a conclusion that we wereprobably in the same house together within a
week of each other.
Wow.
I mean, that's wild.
That is wild.
Was that and then also 12 years before Iactually met him, that's golf.
Golf is a wild, wild game.
It is.
Like I said, it is a mirror of life because youthink about what you go through on the golf
course, and you can learn a lot about somebodyby being on the golf course with them.
(42:10):
And lots of people like caddying too.
You know?
You'd be surprised, like, how much they usegolf for business too and not, like, obviously
closing deals, that's one thing.
But like deciding on whether or not they evenwant to go into business.
Take them out, see how they interact with thecaddies, see how they interact with the staff.
And that is a really big part of it too.
And that's something I've also learned is howimportant it is to just be good to everybody
(42:32):
around you.
You
know?
Because if you're rude to the wrong person, youknow?
And that's not a reason to be good to everybodyeither.
You know what I'm saying?
It's just one thing to be more cognizant aboutwhen you're meeting new people all the time.
I couldn't agree more.
Now, Marty, where can people find you on socialmedia?
Yeah.
Or where can they keep up with you?
So I'd say my biggest presence is probably onInstagram.
(42:55):
And my Instagram is Sanchez Marty doubleunderscore.
And I, you know, I haven't really dived intoTikTok.
I don't know if I
don't know.
TikTok's a different Yeah.
It's a different animal.
I definitely would like to get into someYouTube stuff.
Like I said, you know, being with Ryan andButtsy, they have the The Lads YouTube.
Yeah.
Are you gonna be on there?
(43:15):
I would love to be on there at some point.
I would love a chance at the course recordaround J.
Days.
But, you know, I think that kind of opened up anew avenue of something that I never even
thought of before.
And I don't know exactly what I would do justyet, but definitely the wheels are spinning,
and I would love to jump into something newlike that.
That's awesome.
Well, thank you so much for being on.
It was awesome to get to know you and obviouslyfor our audience to get to know you as well.
(43:40):
I appreciate you having me on.
This was an awesome experience too.
This is like, again, something I've neverreally done before and just to be involved.
You're a natural, man.
I appreciate
you.
Yeah.
You're gonna be on tons of podcasts after this.
Just like I said with Jordy making me look goodwhen I don't ordinarily, you're doing the same
thing for me here.
So I appreciate you.
Thank you.
My man, thank you so much.
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